November 2, 2021 • 43 mins
On the Tuesday edition of The Best of The Doug Gottlieb Show, Doug talks about the tragic news involving Raiders receiver Henry Ruggs and the death of a passenger in a car wreck while Ruggs was allegedly driving under the influence. Doug says that Ruggs, by most accounts, is a good person who seemingly made an awful decision and might never be able to play again. Odell Beckham Jr. obviously wants out of Cleveland as his father released an 11-minute video of Baker Mayfield not connecting with OBJ on the field, but Doug says he is not going anywhere and now exactly what does he do as a member of the Browns and a teammate with Mayfield? Former NFL quarterback Sage Rosenfels joins Doug to break down the quarterback play around the NFL coming out of Week 8 of the season. Doug thinks the Peyton and Eli Manningcast is a must-see every week it is on the air. He points out what makes it refreshingly new and different, including clips from last night's Chiefs-Giants game.
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to this point nothing much has happened. UM there is
tragic news in the NFL. Henry Ruggs, who's a super
talented young wide receiver the Las Vegas Raiders. Raiders are
on their bye week. At around three thirty this morning,
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there was a car crash in Vegas and he's as
non light threatening injuries. The car that he was in
an accident with and there have been no details given
as to who's at fault, but he has been charged
with DUI which resulted in a in the death of
the other driver. UM. I reached out to Director of
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Playsure Personnel two g MS three scouts. I asked just
was there any were there any red flags with Henry
Ruggs I mean, I'm not gonna show you my text messages,
but all said essentially, no, none of it. The The
only thing was he did come from a tough upbringing
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and he was the kind of kid who let others
hang around that he didn't need to have hang around anymore.
That said, no one could have seen this coming. And
I guess that there's a there's a lot of questions
out there. Um and you know, you have David Carr
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tweeting about how Derek Herr his brother. I mean, if
he's not the m v P, and people are saying, well,
too too soon. I don't know if it's too soon.
I think Derek Carr is very well equipped. I don't
think David needed to tweet it. I think we all
understand the leadership he has to show is coach got fired.
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Right now, his wide receiver is in jail and he
won't play maybe ever again. I mean, there's some they
got some stuff working in Vegas, and it's it's terrible
because I mean, look, somebody lost their life, that's the
first thing. And and what happens is we do have
a tendency to start skipping steps and not being nearly
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ah nearly as as thoughtful and as sensitive as we
should be in this moment. Right we're sports show. We
talk about sports. We don't talk about a d u
I and somebody dying and what means. But I want
you to think about it like one somebody lost a child, brother, sister.
I don't know that the name of the victim hasn't
been hasn't been released. And then you have a city
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of Las Vegas, who is you know, bent over back
where has done anything possible to get the Raiders. You
know they're basically playing, no taxes at all, embraces them,
and you know this is not something you could have
seen coming because, as I pointed out, there were no
red flags on Henry Roux, he didn't have previous du wise,
there's nothing that was hidden at Alabama. Nick Staben loved
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love coaching this kid. But I mean there's a bitter
taste in your mouth when the Raiders come to town
and this is their second year and you have a
d u I and it's a Raider behind the wheel,
and and we're in two thousand twenty one. It's so
incredibly preventable, whether you do lift or uber. And I
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know there's other devices like you're an NFL player. If
it's about the car, Uber Black, come come get your own,
get your Corvette tomorrow. And these are lessons that everyone now,
I guess, has to learn, right like when we were kids.
When I was a kid, I learned don't do drugs
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from Lenn Biastein. I learned about HIV from Magic Johnson,
A right, I mean I didn't know anything about it,
you know. I remember the day that that remember, I
mean I was that. That is thirty years ago, thirty
years ago, right about now, right before the season started,
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Magic Johnson announcing at HIV. And I remember clear as day,
my my coach Tom McCluskey at Tustin High School calling
us all in and we're all crying. We're all crying
like Magic Johnson's gonna and he's like, look, Mann, Johnson's
probably gonna die from this thing. You guys have to understand,
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like if you're gonna do adult things, there's adult ramifications
for it. I mean I learned about it. Then when
we should know about d U, I we should know
about I mean it's so like now there's just you're
in Vegas between taxis and ubers and lips, and it's
just so easy, right, and we act like it's annoying
that we have to throw on a mask, like, dude,
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they're literally saving your life in somebody else's life. But
but here's the question, okay, this, and this is an
honest question I have, which I've thrown out to some
of my friends. I don't think he'll ever play football again.
I don't. I'm not gonna sit here and tell you
I'm the moral police and what should and shouldn't happen.
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I understand that he'll go through a person rehab, and
I don't know what the right answer is. This is
just it's kind of a raw discussion that I think
this is really what sports radio should be about. Sometimes
it's about other stuff. Sometimes it's about goofing on you know,
Ramos for some of the funny things that that he
likes to say, or good on me for mistakes that
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I've made. I make them all the time. I say
dumb stuff, you know, goofing on Buyer because he knows
chapter and verse of every guy on Fantasy, like literally
every plo. Yeah, I know him, and here's who you
should get who. But he can't doesn't know a movie.
I can't quote a movie, which he's like, but you
can quote every TV show I don't like. That's sometimes fun,
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but sometimes it's just about having a discussion about life
and second chances. And we are a country of second chances.
But are there things that you you give away the
right to do based upon your actions? Mike Vick got
a second chance. He murdered Ducks. Mike Vick has become
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more than just a um a good member of society.
Like he's as respected a guy now in the NFL
as there is is a former player. He's seen the darkness.
He went to prison, and rug is gonna go jail.
He's gonna go to jail, and he should go to jail.
I guess the question should he ever play football again?
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You know? And and right you put it in the
context of he's gonna go to jail, He's gonna have
to go to some form of rehab. He's you know,
but but is that enough? And I what I what
I think happens. This is my honest of all. This
is my honest, raw just opinion that you know, oftentimes
we talk things out right, things out and try and
figure out where we want to go with it. My
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my honest feeling is that whether or not he should
or should not ever play again, he's gonna pay for
the sins of the past. In the NFL, there's a
I believe it was Leonard Little. Is that the name
that I'm thinking of? Dan Buyer. Leonard Little was a
I think a linebacker for St. Baris Rams and he
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killed somebody in the d u I, And um he
came back and he played. And that's always a name
that people rightfully point to as like, how can this
guy be out in the football field when he killed
somebody in the d u I. He was suspended eight
game in um Or in the late nineties in that
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in that incident, So I missed the first half of
the season. Uh. I don't know if he served jail time. UM,
I know Dante Stalworth did. In two thousand nine. Stalworth
was suspended for the entire season. Yeah, And I remember
that Dante Stalworth one was down in Miami, I believe.
And it was a guy who ran across the road, Yes, right,
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ran across the road. And Dante technically wasn't at fault
because he, you know, a guy just like darted out
and tried it was and some people thought he wanted
a guy wanted to get hit by a car. I'm
what I'm remembering. Trying to catch a bus was the Yeah,
it was the story. He was trying to catch a
bus and Dante didn't see him. But when he when
the cops, and the cops found I think there was
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a bunch of stuff in the system, right, I think
there's weed and booze in the system. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
he's uh you know b a c was over the
legal limit. Um, yeah at the time of the accident.
Does it matter to you in what the what the
the d U? I is right, Like, if it's a
point no one too, or if it's point to two,
doesn't matter. No, it doesn't matter if yeah, if it's that,
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or if it's drugs versus alcohol, Yeah, it doesn't matter.
Do you think he should never play football again? Um?
I think he will play football again. I I just
from the president that we have seen. Plus Henry Young's
is Henry Ruggs is pretty young in terms of his
NFL career. Um, doesn't seem like there are serious injuries.
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He had non life threatening injuries that he suffered, So
I don't know. If I don't think that health is
going to be a factor. I think that he will
play in the NFL again. What do you think, ja do?
It's so hard to to gauge these things under this
like new uh new uh you know the way that
the NFL is working now, Um, every they're under a
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larger microscope than ever before with with this punishment stuff.
But I kind of agree with Dan and that there
has been a precedent. He's young enough. He won't play
it for a long time, I don't think, but I
think he probably makes it back onto the field his wife,
as he knows, it will never be the same. Um,
But yeah, I think he plays again. But what what
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a what an awful tragedy for the family. That's that's
the thing, right, Like we we know that tragedies happen
and mistakes happen, and and think things that you know
where you're just like, but but this is as a
prevent There's no way you can argue that in a
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major American city in two thousand one, there weren't a
multitude of options to get a ride, and in Las Vegas, Nevada,
I got there. There's zero excuses for it. Now I
also believe, and this is my honest belief that whatever
the judicial system, whatever the judicial system decides, is in
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fact the law that is the punishment. And this is
where I struggle is are we doing the the the
what's it called? Is it double jeopardy? What is it?
What is the term for when you you can't be
tried for the same crime twice? That's the case. Yeah,
it's it does feel a little bit like we are
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like society wants double jeopardy, Like, oh, well, he goes
to jail for six months, Oh yeah, well guess what
he should be out of the league for two years?
Like I mean he went to jail, he lost every
he'll lose everything, you know. I just I don't know
what's fair and what's right, you know, I I there's
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lots of things you would say, like is there you
know what you should do is serve your time, get
your life together, and then figure out a way in
which you know, every game, every day you recognize the
life that is lost like that that that's a possibility.
I just I don't know what's what the right thing is,
like what's enough? And that This is a little bit
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like very different, but a little bit like what we
talked about last week with Dan Sneider, which is look,
a punishment has to be decided. He deserves to be punished.
Um And I do, and I don't necessarily I don't
totally believe in that how you punish him is going
to change. What is it called when you um, when
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when the people believe that the punishment will keep others
from committing the same crime, Right, it's like the reason
we have the death penalty. Yeah, it's a deterrent. Thank you,
Thank you, John Romins. I don't necessarily believe that. Like,
I don't think the death penalty is a deterrent. I
don't think there's anybody who's thinking about killing somebody who
like that portion of your brain is working so poorly
that you think you can kill somebody that you're thinking
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logically enough to go, well, I'd want to do this,
But I could go to jail for the rest of
my life, or I could I serve the death pine. Like,
I don't believe that, but I do believe that it's
a proper punishment for some crimes that are committed. I
don't believe the death ponties that the turn. I do
believe in the death PONTI is a punishment that again,
this is Doug Gottliebink. This is why this is not
the feelings of anybody else in the show or anybody
else that's got what we're allowed to do here. I've
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told you guys a long time ago, I'm a radical centrist.
You think you know my ideas, you don't, and you
don't have to agree with them. It doesn't bother me.
Like Dan's beliefs or Isaac loan Cran's beliefs or Jayson
don't this guy should go to jail. I don't. I
don't know if he should ever play football again. And
I don't know where we are in society. You know,
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we we cancel people for far lesser crimes. We cancel
people for things that they tweet, things that they say,
things that they put in emails. Now, obviously he didn't
mean to do this, But if you're as as as
we've all been told when we saw red red asphalt
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when we were kids, you guys, remember that terrible gosh
they used to show us that in like middle high school.
I saw that and it was just like, man, I'm
of drinking and drive, Like that's that's terrible. But as
we've seen, like you're you're driving around a loaded gun,
and just because you got home doesn't make it okay.
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And I just I wonder where we are in society
and where we should go and how we This is
an incredibly preventable tragedy, and Henry Ruggs, by all accounts,
is a good person, and he did something really awful
and someone else who was an innocent victim lost their
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life last night. And I don't know what that means
for his future. And obviously it's not you know, in
the short term, you have a you have a mourning
family or families that are involved in this crash, plus
you have what's gonna happen to him. But I do
think it's an interesting snapshot of are we going to
make Henry Ruggs not only pay for his crime, but
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pay for the cry of the NFL in the past?
Remember this is a key thing to remember in the
Ray Rice Even when Ray Rice was suspended for two
games initially for the domestic abuse charge which never went
to trial, do you remember that? Did you know that
was actually the longest suspension ever for anyone with domestic
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violence in the National Football League? And of course then
the commissioner tried to put it at six, and then
he was at the league and that that was like
a decade ago. What happens now? It's fascinating. Are we
still a country of second chances? Does it matter how
he rehabilitates himself? Is it double jeopardy if he gets
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suspended for however? Long after he goes to jail? And
what what now of the Raiders? You know, I mean,
this is a team, their coaches fired, and they they
seemed to bound together and play well. Now go into
a bye week and now one of their teammates killed. Somebody,
a human being is going to jail. Like it's just
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so much bigger than actual football and so incredibly tragic.
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Doug Otlip Show Fox Sports Radio. So Odell Beckham Senior
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early Tuesday morning posted an eleven minute video verified on
his verified Instagram account highlighting the Browns missed opportunities week
three through six when O b J was open. Later Tuesday,
Lakers Lebron James showed support of Odell Beckham Junior, tweeting
O b J will show again why he's special wide receiver.
One hashtag free o b J. I heard calling coward
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earlier today, say Odell Beckham Jr. Been a good soldier?
When was that? How did I did I miss that time?
When did when did that happen? When? Tell me when
it happened? Because what I remember is he didn't want
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to go to Cleveland. He didn't show up for O
t A s um he quite obviously, and you know
he's hurt last year. And yeah, I mean there's times
in when she was open and he didn't get the ball.
I noticed when I watched the I G Live that
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there were also no clips of when Odell Beckham Jr.
Didn't run hard or when he dropped the football. And
and none of this happens or is posted without Odell
Beckham Jr. Saying it's okay, all right. People don't speak
for you and say you need a chance and an
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opportunity d unless you said it was okay. They don't
just voluntarily do that. Your dad doesn't just voluntarily post
some video and you had no idea. If you did,
then you called him as soon as you posted and
go like dad, you gotta take that down. He did not.
The same thing is when Lebron had a coach fired,
I had nothing to do with it. You know what,
if you wanted to stop it, you'r Lebron James, you
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could stop it. It's the same thing here, same exact thing.
So I just I look at this deal and I
and I say to myself, like Odell Beckham Jr. Is
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a royal pain in the ass. He has never been
worth the hassle. He was a super talented wide receiver
early in his career, but it was always about Odell
Beckham Jr. And when he didn't show up for O
t as. Remember if you go back and remember when
he was with the Giants, they gave me a huge
contract extension and he promised them that he would change.
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And then there was the video of him in a
hotel with cocaine somewhere in the hotel room, right, and
then he was the perfect soldier for three months. He
fooled uh the owner of the Giants. They give him
the contract extension, and he complained and then he got
hurt and then he never played for the Giants again.
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That's how I remember it. I don't, I mean, Lebron
doesn't know and the dad is the dad, so I
don't blame him, but the reality is like the Browns
haven't gotten much for him out of him, but just
giving him away. I know Michael Lombardi, who of course
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has been a GM in the NFL. He tweeted out
earlier that the Browns just need to move on from
Odell Beckham Jr. They people who cover the team say
they have not engaged in any trade discussions because there's
been nothing of substance to come their way. One, I'm
not sure how many people actually want him, and two
can we stop this? He's been a good soldier thing.
And then three, I do think if you have any
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chance of getting anything out of him, it's right now
because you can go to odeb back when you're gonna
go like, look, we would have moved you, but nobody
really wanted you. So you got half a season left.
We should be a playoff team. Show the league put
on tape what you have, because right now, what you
have on tape, you ain't getting a big contract next year,
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no matter how many good catches you had your first
four years. I actually think holding onto him is the
best possible option. Doug otlip Show here on Fox Sports
Radio Sage Rosenfels joins this former NFL quarterback, twelve year
vett in the National Football League and um um, there's
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nowhere really to go. That's positive. With the Henry Ruggs thing,
I just I do wonder. Have you ever been part
of a team where there was some sort of tragedy
or a guy in the team got into the serious
trouble and you know, you come back to work and
you've got to kind of figure out how to pick
up the pieces. Looking back, I don't think so. I
mean definitely where guys got maybe a d u I
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or arrested. You know, I played Miami for four years,
so you're you're going to have incidents, but nothing as
tragic as this situation. And uh we we've seen it
in the in the history of the National Football League.
It seems like every so many years, every five years,
every ten years, there's some sort of tragedy like this.
And I don't know any of the details. I did
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see that sort of go across the screen earlier today.
Uh sounds like an awful incident, and obviously we will
collect information as it goes, but never nothing this tragic
ever happened during my time in the locker room in
the NFL. STU Gotlib show here on Fox Sports trailer.
Let's let's get back on the field. What do you
think about homes performance last night? I think it's sort
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of has it's it was as it's been a lot
of the year. You know, I felt like a guy
who is trying to do a lot. He's trying to
sort of do too much. His defense is ranked near
the bottom in the National Football League and all sorts
of categories, So naturally, on the other side of football,
you're gonna know you're gonna have to be in this
sort of fast break style offense to keep up with
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your defense. And a lot of games and and so
I feel like Pat Mahomes is probably trying to do
too much. He's holding on the football. Uh, they're in
shotgun a lot. They're not there. They ran the football
okay last night, but not your traditional runs. They don't
do much play action. So it's a lot of it's
a lot of a pressure on Pat Mahomes and defense
are doing a great job of slowing down the can
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State Chiefs. You're not seeing those home run balls by
by Tyreetail. You're not seeing the long catching runs by
Travis Kelsey. They are sort of keeping the team in
a sort of bend do break style of defense, and
it's you know, it's forcing Kansas City to methodically work
their way down the field and they haven't had to
do that or they haven't done that, uh in their time.
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With Patrick Mahomes as the quarterback, they're a quick strike
type of team and he's run around making plays and
it looks like to me, he's just trying to do
too much. And that's natural. I mean, Doug, your basketball
guy or Jordan's back in the day and his early days,
he was always trying to do too much. He was
trying to score thirty five, three, six, thirty seven points
the game because he didn't have that team around him,
didn't have much defense around him either, so he was
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sort of trying to outscore the other team by himself.
And I sort of feel like Pat Mahomes is trying
to do that too. Sure trying to do it feels
like almost too much, which is why he has the
most interceptions of his career so far only halfway through
the season. Doug Otlib Show here on Fox Sports Radio.
Um Odell Beckham Jr's dad post a video. Hey, look
at all these times he's open. He didn't get the football.
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Browns are going to trade him? What do you think
of Odell Beckham Jr. The player in two thousand twenty one.
Odell Beckham as we know we knew him is not
the Odell Beckham that he is today. And that's just
a fact. He's not a staff Uh, he's not as elusive.
He's not as good as run after catch. Uh. If
you look at this, just breaking down to straight stats.
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For whatever reason, when Baker Mayfield throws him the football,
there's a lot of interceptions that occur. I mean a
couple of years ago. He threw picks and and uh
an eight of them. Um, sorry, none of them were
thrown to O b J. When you were start in
his direction. Uh. You know, on that style of offense,
when you run the ball with two really good running backs.
He got a good tight end. Of course he got
Jarvis Landry. There's only so many places to go with
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the football, and uh, Odell Beckham has to be sort
of the big play guy. You have to have somebody,
especially on those play actions and boo legs and started
to take the top off the coverage, get those safeties deep,
and so a lot of times he's just not open,
and so obviously Baker's going to other other places with
the ball. I did see a play at the end
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of that game, and there was a little play action.
It was right down the middle. Odell had a post
right down the middle, and he put up one hand,
tried one of the one hand catches. If he makes
the catch, it's a good chance Cleveland wins bat football game.
But he puts up one hand so like we've all
seen him do that before, ends up going incomplete. And
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it sort of made me feel, you know, if I
was a quarterback and it's and this is not first
quarter or first half, this is fend of the fourth
quarter as we're trying to win this thing, and he
puts up one hand to sort to catch that ball
short of the old alligator arms as they say. So
I think there's a lot going on behind the scenes
beway between Obi j and Baker. I'm a big believer
in Covins the Fansky to try to uh the psychologically
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bring the whole thing together. But just right off the bat,
Odell Beckham is not physically the same guy he was
with the New York Giants. That's the fact if you
go to all the pro football focused stuff, he was
always above eighty when when he was with the Giants.
He hasn't reached seventy before yet as far as his
grades um, since he's been with the Cleveland Browns. And
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so he's just simply not the player he was before.
No matter how many media people think he's still a
great player, He's just not the player he was before.
Doug Otlip Show here on Fox Sports Radio stage, Rosenville
is our guest. He breaks down all the take twelve
year NFL VET a quarterback. Um, okay, so help me
out with the Chargers. Uh, they just got their asses
kicked by the Baltimore Ravens. Right that that that happened.
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But but the Patriots lass was different. Uh. There were
several drops on third down, which are that's a turnover? Right?
You had two interceptions, one Jared Cook's not looking. The
other one Austin Nekeler went through his hands. It wasn't
the perfect pass, but it did go through his hands
and into defender's hands. What do you make of the
chargers sudden struggles, especially with with with Herbert turning the
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football over well, But I think it's a long season
and you're gonna have sort of ebbs and flows, and
you know this is not a dominant football team. They
definitely had their issues defensively, and so you know they're
just not a dominant team. So you know offensively they're
gonna have some games they don't play as well. Obviously Baltimore, man,
they ran to a buzz sall. I'll tell you what
that would you go play a little Belichick team when
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you're a quarterback and Herbert still a very young guy,
there's just an uneasiness there when you go, especially you
go up to New England or wherever you play. When
you play a Bill Belichick team, there's like an uneasiness
because you just know he has certain sort of tricks
up his sleeve, and he's such an identifyer of what
is the other team good at, what is justin Herbert
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good at? And also like what does he not like?
What gives him some struggles? The protection that certain types
of coverages, uh is that vary s blitzes or looks
that he can give them. That makes him just a
little bit uneasy in that pocket. So he's not as
accurate and he's not sort of commanding of the position,
and I feel like that's what he sort of ran
into in New England's a good defense up there, Uh,
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Mayo matting mac Jones, a good quarterback, and I think
what they ran into a game where and of course
they just got destroyed by Baltimore the week before that,
I think, you know, they're just sort of in one
of those swoons. And I feel very competent with Herberton
that coaching staff that they will work their way out
of it. But it's not a surprise. What are young?
I mean Tom Brady went up to New England was
at about a month ago, and I think he was
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like twenty two or forty three. It was my key
through per cent. So there's something about playing against Bill
Belichick that can be really hard for an old quarterback. Uh,
and very much for a younger guy in a second
year stud gotlib show here on Fox Sports Radio. Uh,
there's so many things I want to get to with you. Stage.
Rosen Hills is our guest, of course, breaks down tape
(29:27):
on every NFL game. Um, how do you think Justin
Fields played Sunday? So he played pretty good? You know,
I do a Chicago Bears radio show every Tuesday. So
I rewatched the film film if I didn't see it
on on Sunday, and they are finally using him the
way he should be used. There they run the ball
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pretty well when he's understanding, and then a lot of
bootlegs and a lot of plaction, and when he is
dropping back, he is so accurate on the outside routes.
You know those fifteen yard comeback routes. Uh, that's where
he is. He never missed his balls, like right in
the chests the receivers. He throws on time. So I
think they're trying to sort of figure out what they
(30:08):
have with him as far as that's just his physical capabilities,
but mentally as a rookie, you have to protect a rookie.
I don't I don't care if there are a four
point oh student. Uh, you know, coming out of Harvard,
when you get to the NFL, there's just so much information.
So what they were doing before was man. There was
a lot of a lot of empty a lot of
shotgun teams bringing blitzzes from different sides. You can tell
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he's you can tell he's thinking as he's playing, trying
to figure out protections and where he should go with
the football. It's just a lot for a young guy
to be in shotgun being empty and they were with
they were they were that style of offense way too
much early in the year. I do feel like they
are finally start to figure out what's the best way
for justin fields to be effective. And I thought he
played really well in this game, and he had about
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you know, three or four runs. Of course, the highlight
touchdown run on a fourth and one, which end up
being a terrible call. Defense Spend was right up the field,
right in his ace. He makes him miss, cuts the
ball back and runs for about thirties or so yards
for a touchdown. I mean he has physical capabilities sort
of in a sense of running the ball Michael Vick wise,
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and he's got a great arm, so he misses some
throws here and there. He met two or three shrows
in this game. He occasionally have a ball sail on him.
But I really do like him. I don't know, I'm
not sure if this coaching staff, in particular offensively will
be here in the future, but I do like him.
As a quarterback, you just have to have the right
offense form that really maximizes his strength and as a rookie,
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minimizes those weaknesses, which for any rookie is going to
be protections and the complexity of the game. Stull gotlip
show here on Fox Sports Radio really quickly sage what
do the Saints do to Tom Brady that others do not?
Sometimes I wonder if it's actually Sean Payton. I know
Sean's like an offensive guy, but sometimes offensive guys watch
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other quarterbacks and they sort of over time figure out
what they're good at. Because you, I mean, Sean Payton
has watched Tom Brady for twenty plus years too and
all this and you just watched his style of offense,
knows he wants to get the ball out, knows he's
now the guy who hangs onto it usually for four
or five seconds, and was trying to throw the ball
down the field. And and I think also probably just
playing in New Orleans is not easy. That's that is
(32:18):
a tough place to play. So I think some of
it just has to do with Sean Payton has seen
what what Tom Bertie has done over all his career,
and what are the throws that he really likes and
and what sort of makes that team struggle a little bit,
and and obviously you know on the interceptions for the
game winner in that game. We have seen Tom hit
Gronk or various receivers for two decades now on the
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on that deep crossing route it's about a fifteen yard
route versus outside leverage man the man. It's great because
the receiver's inside the secondary player and you had a
safety stuff up right in front of it, and you
don't see that very often. But my guess is that
he had a little extra information that you know, Tom
is not to hang out of the football that we
played and the man which lot of teams play man
the man versus Brady that that is the throw that
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he loves. And the safety stuffed up right in front
and made the play of that game. So I think
it has a lot lots to do the fact that
Sean Payton knows quarterbacks really well, and of course playing
in that dome is nearly impossible. Stug gottlip show here
on Fox Sports Trader. That's Sage rosen Fell's Okay former
NFL quartbrick. Follow him on Twitter at Sage Rosenfell's eighteen
sage of the best Man. Appreciate you join us. All right,
(33:25):
thanks thanks for having me. I appreciate it. This is
the best of the dog Got Leap Show on Fox
Sports Radio. What up Doug Gottlieb Show, Fox Sports Radio?
Mm hmm we had Monday Night Football yesterday and um yeah,
(33:53):
Many cast is awesome, awesome. I just I don't know
how anybody goes back. It's like one of those Um
it's like once you get up. Once we got the
h D t V. Did you have you ever tried
to watch something in standard deaf? You're like, how did
I watch this for all these years and not get confused? Right?
(34:16):
Have you ever tried that? Remember the first time you
got a big screen TV and then you try to
watch in like a small box? You're like, wow, this
is not really as cool, you know first time. Once
you upgrade your phone, then you go to your own phone,
like you just look at your phones. Like, once you
go to the Manning Cast, how can you go anywhere else?
(34:37):
Jay stud you watch? Did you watch the Manning Cast?
You watch regular? I always watched the Manning Cast. I'm
I'm fascinated by those guys. And again I always repeat
myself here, Um, the guests are fine, but I just
like both of them reacting to the football game. I
mean that's when they're they're most like organic times. You know.
(34:57):
It is interesting though on how some geah are into
the game and some guests are just into the interview
and and the differences and and even like Drew Brees
last week was like super disappointing to me because he
was just slow in his like what would you do here, Drew?
And he like has to see it and it's where
it's like Payton's already knows what he's seeing, what he's
looking at, like it's a it's inside the mind you're watching.
(35:21):
This is what a savant is like when he watches
a sport, his sport. You know. I love how fast
he crushed that chicken last night. That was that was impressive.
That reminded me. sALS very Sean Salt is very used
to I used to work together at at ESPN, and
he'd be doing TV all day and he wouldn't have
a bunch of time, and he'd send somebody out to
go get like a bucket of chicken, a bucket of KFC.
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And that guy could eat a bucket of KFC with
a little help, Like, hey, you want to you want
to you wanna thigh here? Like you know, I'm a
thigh guy like dies. With a little help, he could
down a bucket of chicken faster than any human beings
should ever consider eating a bucket of chicken. Oh, it
was really I was watching I was watching Peyton last
(36:04):
night and that was my immediate thought. Actually sent a
text to Salisbury because of it. Your favorite line or
moment of last night? I guess that's for me. Yes,
between the Mannings, I did like the chicken thing and
the way Eli just kind of broke it down. Um.
(36:26):
There there was a moment uh with with stray Hand
where they kind of pointed out the dogs chasing cars
and stray Hand basically showed highlights of the super Bowl
when he beat Brady. That was funny. Um, okay, what
about you there? Um, Dan Buyer, did you would you
watch last night? Yeah? I had the had the Manning
cast on. What do you think? I thought? It was
(36:49):
another you know, another good performance. My my favorite part
and I think they do a really good job of
this and this isn't live on TV, but they have
stuff prepared. Was when they had Michael Irvin on and
they were talking about him in a three point stance,
lining up at Miami as a wide receiver in a
three point stance, and it was just they obviously had
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the clip ready, so you know, it was it's obviously
done in their preparation, so it's not just them sitting
on a couch for the three hours and then unplugging
and leaving like there's work that goes involved. And I
thought that that really paid off, Like it was it
was funny to see Michael Irvin line up in a
three point stance as a wide receiver and score a
touchdown for Miami and college. Yeah, you know, it's funny,
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but the three point stance. I have a a friend
of mine, I'll keep his name out of it, who
was with the now Washington football team right back then
the Redskins when Joe Gibbs came back and Joe Gibbs,
remember he spent like was eleven years away with with
NASCAR and then came back to be head coach of
the Yeah, it was a yeah, it was a yeah.
(37:52):
It was a good portion of time, right when three
Super bowls came back trying to fix the try to
fix the football team, and he did. They were actually
decent for a while. Um. Anyway, their offensive installed day,
they sit down in the room and they're trying to
install the offense and he's running the old clips of
the old Washington like back when they ran counter tray
and they had the hogs and whatever, and the wide
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receivers are in a three point stance. And the guys
were like, dude, but you can't. We we can't play
this like this. We can't do this, you know. So, yeah,
that's what I thought of when I when I heard
that line. It's like, they guys, don't, they don't. That
doesn't work anymore. Yeah, not so much. It's funny too.
And I know that our bosses are not going to
want to hear this, but I will say because they
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are absolute train wrecks going to commercial like it is
like you have, they have to tell the other guy
to shut up and then they I gotta say, well,
it is not good, but it doesn't matter because the
content is so good and there I think it's almost
better if they don't try and tease to break, They
don't try and do the TV stuff right like it
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does it does it in honest, he feeds into and
I'm guessing that you said this to TV people in
the past, and radio is much the same. You know,
Like I've been trained by some people on how to
do radio and how to do resets and also stuff.
But you know what the truth is, if you do
good enough radio, nobody actually cares about reset or a
tease or whatever. And and there's a there's someone who
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still does radio and he does television who is synonymous
with like he's all the best teaser, He's great at teasing.
Like that's awesome. But you know what really helps is
when the content in between the teases is can't miss.
And that's this is the perfect example of it. It
is for example of it. There's no like formatics of
it doesn't matter anything. Yeah, go ahead, John Ramos, you
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want to get on this. Well, I did watch it
as well. I do enjoy it. I think it is
everything that both Dan and you and Jason have said.
There's a butt coming, there's a But there was one
time a couple of last night where I was watching
it and they were talking it think was Josh Allen.
They were showing like a bunch of pictures but the
game was going on and I could hear it in
the background, and I'm like, what like they're actually running plays,
(40:02):
but I'm not seeing the plays, and maybe for most
people they don't care, but I run it. Like then
they came back to the game and they're like a
couple of places that I had already run, and I'm like,
what happened? Like maybe that's for me to change back
to the other station to watch that. I don't know,
but I thought they were supposed to show the game
like in a little cube somewhere and then talk about
other things. But maybe at this particular moment they didn't
(40:22):
do that. That's all. But that's a very small, very
small problem in the big picture that is very good. Um, yes,
they're gonna miss some plays. There's a way to do it,
I think with the NFL, where you have more spacing
where you can do it. Um. A part of that,
I think is it's charm right where it does feel
like they're just going and they don't actually care. But
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it's a good point you make where there's you know,
there's if you want to watch every play in at
tradtional broadcast that that still exists, still exists. Doug Alam
showing at Fox Sports Trader. Do you hear this? This
is Jon Stewart, who was on last night, his exchange
with Peyton Manning. It is just to make another Manning.
You've got this by you quarterback reading program down there.
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You just keep making more Mannings. Make a couple for us.
My dad's stud fee has really gone up in the
past point of years. It's a great line. If you
can make Jon Stewart like laugh like that, you know,
I mean, that guy's funny. He knows what funny is.
It's got to take a lot to make him with.
That was a great line, it was. This is Peyton's
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exchange with Josh Allen. What's not cool is that our
flag football team, we are the Bills and you can
put your last name on the back, right. I mean,
my son's name is Manning, it's my name, is my
dad's name. I'd like him to put Manning on the
back of New Jersey instead. What does he put Jay Allen?
Jay Allen, I mean, tell me how to interpret that
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and when you please tell him that's not a nice
way to treat his father. That's amazing. This is Peyton.
Remember last week Tom Brady said defenders are really dogs
chasing cars. Here's Michael Strahan pushing back on that. I
don't know if you solve it. Last week, Tom Brady
came on this show. They called defensive players. Let me
read it, dogs chasing cars. Letna say that again. Defensive
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players dogs chasing cars take all the time you need
for a rebuttal. All I must say is I love
and respect Tom Brady. Um, I appreciate him. One giant
loss going down right there in the sack. He's my
business partner and religion of sports. All right. I respect
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a dog chasing No, that was what you call a
d for the event, chasing the ring, and we got it.
That's funny, that's funny. I look, I still think that
that's classic quarterback. Offensive player. We're smarter than defensive player.
Trash talk. I think the people that are really bothered
by that they've never played the sport. They don't know
(42:58):
what that actually means, what actually translates. There just some
parts of trash talk which feel a lot more harsh
than they actually are. Uh And by the way, the
Chiefs were fine last night. They won a game against
the Giants, and giants aren't very good. I don't know
if I have any major takeaways other than I still
don't think Pat Mahomes is playing great and we still
(43:19):
keep feeding into it. Anytime he throws the ball side
arm or underhand or whatever, we freak out when part
of that's the problem, right, He just singles and doubles
will win him more games
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us and and we'll talk about the trade deadline, which
to this point nothing much has happened. UM there is
tragic news in the NFL. Henry Ruggs, who's a super
talented young wide receiver the Las Vegas Raiders. Raiders are
on their bye week. At around three thirty this morning,
(01:53):
there was a car crash in Vegas and he's as
non light threatening injuries. The car that he was in
an accident with and there have been no details given
as to who's at fault, but he has been charged
with DUI which resulted in a in the death of
the other driver. UM. I reached out to Director of
(02:17):
Playsure Personnel two g MS three scouts. I asked just
was there any were there any red flags with Henry
Ruggs I mean, I'm not gonna show you my text messages,
but all said essentially, no, none of it. The The
only thing was he did come from a tough upbringing
(02:38):
and he was the kind of kid who let others
hang around that he didn't need to have hang around anymore.
That said, no one could have seen this coming. And
I guess that there's a there's a lot of questions
out there. Um and you know, you have David Carr
(02:58):
tweeting about how Derek Herr his brother. I mean, if
he's not the m v P, and people are saying, well,
too too soon. I don't know if it's too soon.
I think Derek Carr is very well equipped. I don't
think David needed to tweet it. I think we all
understand the leadership he has to show is coach got fired.
(03:22):
Right now, his wide receiver is in jail and he
won't play maybe ever again. I mean, there's some they
got some stuff working in Vegas, and it's it's terrible
because I mean, look, somebody lost their life, that's the
first thing. And and what happens is we do have
a tendency to start skipping steps and not being nearly
(03:47):
ah nearly as as thoughtful and as sensitive as we
should be in this moment. Right we're sports show. We
talk about sports. We don't talk about a d u
I and somebody dying and what means. But I want
you to think about it like one somebody lost a child, brother, sister.
I don't know that the name of the victim hasn't
been hasn't been released. And then you have a city
(04:11):
of Las Vegas, who is you know, bent over back
where has done anything possible to get the Raiders. You
know they're basically playing, no taxes at all, embraces them,
and you know this is not something you could have
seen coming because, as I pointed out, there were no
red flags on Henry Roux, he didn't have previous du wise,
there's nothing that was hidden at Alabama. Nick Staben loved
(04:33):
love coaching this kid. But I mean there's a bitter
taste in your mouth when the Raiders come to town
and this is their second year and you have a
d u I and it's a Raider behind the wheel,
and and we're in two thousand twenty one. It's so
incredibly preventable, whether you do lift or uber. And I
(04:54):
know there's other devices like you're an NFL player. If
it's about the car, Uber Black, come come get your own,
get your Corvette tomorrow. And these are lessons that everyone now,
I guess, has to learn, right like when we were kids.
When I was a kid, I learned don't do drugs
(05:17):
from Lenn Biastein. I learned about HIV from Magic Johnson,
A right, I mean I didn't know anything about it,
you know. I remember the day that that remember, I
mean I was that. That is thirty years ago, thirty
years ago, right about now, right before the season started,
(05:38):
Magic Johnson announcing at HIV. And I remember clear as day,
my my coach Tom McCluskey at Tustin High School calling
us all in and we're all crying. We're all crying
like Magic Johnson's gonna and he's like, look, Mann, Johnson's
probably gonna die from this thing. You guys have to understand,
(05:59):
like if you're gonna do adult things, there's adult ramifications
for it. I mean I learned about it. Then when
we should know about d U, I we should know
about I mean it's so like now there's just you're
in Vegas between taxis and ubers and lips, and it's
just so easy, right, and we act like it's annoying
that we have to throw on a mask, like, dude,
(06:20):
they're literally saving your life in somebody else's life. But
but here's the question, okay, this, and this is an
honest question I have, which I've thrown out to some
of my friends. I don't think he'll ever play football again.
I don't. I'm not gonna sit here and tell you
I'm the moral police and what should and shouldn't happen.
(06:40):
I understand that he'll go through a person rehab, and
I don't know what the right answer is. This is
just it's kind of a raw discussion that I think
this is really what sports radio should be about. Sometimes
it's about other stuff. Sometimes it's about goofing on you know,
Ramos for some of the funny things that that he
likes to say, or good on me for mistakes that
(07:01):
I've made. I make them all the time. I say
dumb stuff, you know, goofing on Buyer because he knows
chapter and verse of every guy on Fantasy, like literally
every plo. Yeah, I know him, and here's who you
should get who. But he can't doesn't know a movie.
I can't quote a movie, which he's like, but you
can quote every TV show I don't like. That's sometimes fun,
(07:22):
but sometimes it's just about having a discussion about life
and second chances. And we are a country of second chances.
But are there things that you you give away the
right to do based upon your actions? Mike Vick got
a second chance. He murdered Ducks. Mike Vick has become
(07:43):
more than just a um a good member of society.
Like he's as respected a guy now in the NFL
as there is is a former player. He's seen the darkness.
He went to prison, and rug is gonna go jail.
He's gonna go to jail, and he should go to jail.
I guess the question should he ever play football again?
(08:03):
You know? And and right you put it in the
context of he's gonna go to jail, He's gonna have
to go to some form of rehab. He's you know,
but but is that enough? And I what I what
I think happens. This is my honest of all. This
is my honest, raw just opinion that you know, oftentimes
we talk things out right, things out and try and
figure out where we want to go with it. My
(08:24):
my honest feeling is that whether or not he should
or should not ever play again, he's gonna pay for
the sins of the past. In the NFL, there's a
I believe it was Leonard Little. Is that the name
that I'm thinking of? Dan Buyer. Leonard Little was a
I think a linebacker for St. Baris Rams and he
(08:44):
killed somebody in the d u I, And um he
came back and he played. And that's always a name
that people rightfully point to as like, how can this
guy be out in the football field when he killed
somebody in the d u I. He was suspended eight
game in um Or in the late nineties in that
(09:05):
in that incident, So I missed the first half of
the season. Uh. I don't know if he served jail time. UM,
I know Dante Stalworth did. In two thousand nine. Stalworth
was suspended for the entire season. Yeah, And I remember
that Dante Stalworth one was down in Miami, I believe.
And it was a guy who ran across the road, Yes, right,
(09:27):
ran across the road. And Dante technically wasn't at fault
because he, you know, a guy just like darted out
and tried it was and some people thought he wanted
a guy wanted to get hit by a car. I'm
what I'm remembering. Trying to catch a bus was the Yeah,
it was the story. He was trying to catch a
bus and Dante didn't see him. But when he when
the cops, and the cops found I think there was
(09:48):
a bunch of stuff in the system, right, I think
there's weed and booze in the system. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
he's uh you know b a c was over the
legal limit. Um, yeah at the time of the accident.
Does it matter to you in what the what the
the d U? I is right, Like, if it's a
point no one too, or if it's point to two,
doesn't matter. No, it doesn't matter if yeah, if it's that,
(10:10):
or if it's drugs versus alcohol, Yeah, it doesn't matter.
Do you think he should never play football again? Um?
I think he will play football again. I I just
from the president that we have seen. Plus Henry Young's
is Henry Ruggs is pretty young in terms of his
NFL career. Um, doesn't seem like there are serious injuries.
(10:33):
He had non life threatening injuries that he suffered, So
I don't know. If I don't think that health is
going to be a factor. I think that he will
play in the NFL again. What do you think, ja do?
It's so hard to to gauge these things under this
like new uh new uh you know the way that
the NFL is working now, Um, every they're under a
(10:55):
larger microscope than ever before with with this punishment stuff.
But I kind of agree with Dan and that there
has been a precedent. He's young enough. He won't play
it for a long time, I don't think, but I
think he probably makes it back onto the field his wife,
as he knows, it will never be the same. Um,
But yeah, I think he plays again. But what what
(11:16):
a what an awful tragedy for the family. That's that's
the thing, right, Like we we know that tragedies happen
and mistakes happen, and and think things that you know
where you're just like, but but this is as a
prevent There's no way you can argue that in a
(11:38):
major American city in two thousand one, there weren't a
multitude of options to get a ride, and in Las Vegas, Nevada,
I got there. There's zero excuses for it. Now I
also believe, and this is my honest belief that whatever
the judicial system, whatever the judicial system decides, is in
(12:04):
fact the law that is the punishment. And this is
where I struggle is are we doing the the the
what's it called? Is it double jeopardy? What is it?
What is the term for when you you can't be
tried for the same crime twice? That's the case. Yeah,
it's it does feel a little bit like we are
(12:24):
like society wants double jeopardy, Like, oh, well, he goes
to jail for six months, Oh yeah, well guess what
he should be out of the league for two years?
Like I mean he went to jail, he lost every
he'll lose everything, you know. I just I don't know
what's fair and what's right, you know, I I there's
(12:45):
lots of things you would say, like is there you
know what you should do is serve your time, get
your life together, and then figure out a way in
which you know, every game, every day you recognize the
life that is lost like that that that's a possibility.
I just I don't know what's what the right thing is,
like what's enough? And that This is a little bit
(13:05):
like very different, but a little bit like what we
talked about last week with Dan Sneider, which is look,
a punishment has to be decided. He deserves to be punished.
Um And I do, and I don't necessarily I don't
totally believe in that how you punish him is going
to change. What is it called when you um, when
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when the people believe that the punishment will keep others
from committing the same crime, Right, it's like the reason
we have the death penalty. Yeah, it's a deterrent. Thank you,
Thank you, John Romins. I don't necessarily believe that. Like,
I don't think the death penalty is a deterrent. I
don't think there's anybody who's thinking about killing somebody who
like that portion of your brain is working so poorly
that you think you can kill somebody that you're thinking
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logically enough to go, well, I'd want to do this,
But I could go to jail for the rest of
my life, or I could I serve the death pine. Like,
I don't believe that, but I do believe that it's
a proper punishment for some crimes that are committed. I
don't believe the death ponties that the turn. I do
believe in the death PONTI is a punishment that again,
this is Doug Gottliebink. This is why this is not
the feelings of anybody else in the show or anybody
else that's got what we're allowed to do here. I've
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told you guys a long time ago, I'm a radical centrist.
You think you know my ideas, you don't, and you
don't have to agree with them. It doesn't bother me.
Like Dan's beliefs or Isaac loan Cran's beliefs or Jayson
don't this guy should go to jail. I don't. I
don't know if he should ever play football again. And
I don't know where we are in society. You know,
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we we cancel people for far lesser crimes. We cancel
people for things that they tweet, things that they say,
things that they put in emails. Now, obviously he didn't
mean to do this, But if you're as as as
we've all been told when we saw red red asphalt
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when we were kids, you guys, remember that terrible gosh
they used to show us that in like middle high school.
I saw that and it was just like, man, I'm
of drinking and drive, Like that's that's terrible. But as
we've seen, like you're you're driving around a loaded gun,
and just because you got home doesn't make it okay.
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And I just I wonder where we are in society
and where we should go and how we This is
an incredibly preventable tragedy, and Henry Ruggs, by all accounts,
is a good person, and he did something really awful
and someone else who was an innocent victim lost their
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life last night. And I don't know what that means
for his future. And obviously it's not you know, in
the short term, you have a you have a mourning
family or families that are involved in this crash, plus
you have what's gonna happen to him. But I do
think it's an interesting snapshot of are we going to
make Henry Ruggs not only pay for his crime, but
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pay for the cry of the NFL in the past?
Remember this is a key thing to remember in the
Ray Rice Even when Ray Rice was suspended for two
games initially for the domestic abuse charge which never went
to trial, do you remember that? Did you know that
was actually the longest suspension ever for anyone with domestic
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violence in the National Football League? And of course then
the commissioner tried to put it at six, and then
he was at the league and that that was like
a decade ago. What happens now? It's fascinating. Are we
still a country of second chances? Does it matter how
he rehabilitates himself? Is it double jeopardy if he gets
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suspended for however? Long after he goes to jail? And
what what now of the Raiders? You know, I mean,
this is a team, their coaches fired, and they they
seemed to bound together and play well. Now go into
a bye week and now one of their teammates killed. Somebody,
a human being is going to jail. Like it's just
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so much bigger than actual football and so incredibly tragic.
Fox Sports Radio has the best sports talk lineup in
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Doug Otlip Show Fox Sports Radio. So Odell Beckham Senior
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early Tuesday morning posted an eleven minute video verified on
his verified Instagram account highlighting the Browns missed opportunities week
three through six when O b J was open. Later Tuesday,
Lakers Lebron James showed support of Odell Beckham Junior, tweeting
O b J will show again why he's special wide receiver.
One hashtag free o b J. I heard calling coward
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earlier today, say Odell Beckham Jr. Been a good soldier?
When was that? How did I did I miss that time?
When did when did that happen? When? Tell me when
it happened? Because what I remember is he didn't want
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to go to Cleveland. He didn't show up for O
t A s um he quite obviously, and you know
he's hurt last year. And yeah, I mean there's times
in when she was open and he didn't get the ball.
I noticed when I watched the I G Live that
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there were also no clips of when Odell Beckham Jr.
Didn't run hard or when he dropped the football. And
and none of this happens or is posted without Odell
Beckham Jr. Saying it's okay, all right. People don't speak
for you and say you need a chance and an
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opportunity d unless you said it was okay. They don't
just voluntarily do that. Your dad doesn't just voluntarily post
some video and you had no idea. If you did,
then you called him as soon as you posted and
go like dad, you gotta take that down. He did not.
The same thing is when Lebron had a coach fired,
I had nothing to do with it. You know what,
if you wanted to stop it, you'r Lebron James, you
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could stop it. It's the same thing here, same exact thing.
So I just I look at this deal and I
and I say to myself, like Odell Beckham Jr. Is
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a royal pain in the ass. He has never been
worth the hassle. He was a super talented wide receiver
early in his career, but it was always about Odell
Beckham Jr. And when he didn't show up for O
t as. Remember if you go back and remember when
he was with the Giants, they gave me a huge
contract extension and he promised them that he would change.
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And then there was the video of him in a
hotel with cocaine somewhere in the hotel room, right, and
then he was the perfect soldier for three months. He
fooled uh the owner of the Giants. They give him
the contract extension, and he complained and then he got
hurt and then he never played for the Giants again.
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That's how I remember it. I don't, I mean, Lebron
doesn't know and the dad is the dad, so I
don't blame him, but the reality is like the Browns
haven't gotten much for him out of him, but just
giving him away. I know Michael Lombardi, who of course
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has been a GM in the NFL. He tweeted out
earlier that the Browns just need to move on from
Odell Beckham Jr. They people who cover the team say
they have not engaged in any trade discussions because there's
been nothing of substance to come their way. One, I'm
not sure how many people actually want him, and two
can we stop this? He's been a good soldier thing.
And then three, I do think if you have any
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chance of getting anything out of him, it's right now
because you can go to odeb back when you're gonna
go like, look, we would have moved you, but nobody
really wanted you. So you got half a season left.
We should be a playoff team. Show the league put
on tape what you have, because right now, what you
have on tape, you ain't getting a big contract next year,
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no matter how many good catches you had your first
four years. I actually think holding onto him is the
best possible option. Doug otlip Show here on Fox Sports
Radio Sage Rosenfels joins this former NFL quarterback, twelve year
vett in the National Football League and um um, there's
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nowhere really to go. That's positive. With the Henry Ruggs thing,
I just I do wonder. Have you ever been part
of a team where there was some sort of tragedy
or a guy in the team got into the serious
trouble and you know, you come back to work and
you've got to kind of figure out how to pick
up the pieces. Looking back, I don't think so. I
mean definitely where guys got maybe a d u I
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or arrested. You know, I played Miami for four years,
so you're you're going to have incidents, but nothing as
tragic as this situation. And uh we we've seen it
in the in the history of the National Football League.
It seems like every so many years, every five years,
every ten years, there's some sort of tragedy like this.
And I don't know any of the details. I did
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see that sort of go across the screen earlier today.
Uh sounds like an awful incident, and obviously we will
collect information as it goes, but never nothing this tragic
ever happened during my time in the locker room in
the NFL. STU Gotlib show here on Fox Sports trailer.
Let's let's get back on the field. What do you
think about homes performance last night? I think it's sort
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of has it's it was as it's been a lot
of the year. You know, I felt like a guy
who is trying to do a lot. He's trying to
sort of do too much. His defense is ranked near
the bottom in the National Football League and all sorts
of categories, So naturally, on the other side of football,
you're gonna know you're gonna have to be in this
sort of fast break style offense to keep up with
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your defense. And a lot of games and and so
I feel like Pat Mahomes is probably trying to do
too much. He's holding on the football. Uh, they're in
shotgun a lot. They're not there. They ran the football
okay last night, but not your traditional runs. They don't
do much play action. So it's a lot of it's
a lot of a pressure on Pat Mahomes and defense
are doing a great job of slowing down the can
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State Chiefs. You're not seeing those home run balls by
by Tyreetail. You're not seeing the long catching runs by
Travis Kelsey. They are sort of keeping the team in
a sort of bend do break style of defense, and
it's you know, it's forcing Kansas City to methodically work
their way down the field and they haven't had to
do that or they haven't done that, uh in their time.
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With Patrick Mahomes as the quarterback, they're a quick strike
type of team and he's run around making plays and
it looks like to me, he's just trying to do
too much. And that's natural. I mean, Doug, your basketball
guy or Jordan's back in the day and his early days,
he was always trying to do too much. He was
trying to score thirty five, three, six, thirty seven points
the game because he didn't have that team around him,
didn't have much defense around him either, so he was
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sort of trying to outscore the other team by himself.
And I sort of feel like Pat Mahomes is trying
to do that too. Sure trying to do it feels
like almost too much, which is why he has the
most interceptions of his career so far only halfway through
the season. Doug Otlib Show here on Fox Sports Radio.
Um Odell Beckham Jr's dad post a video. Hey, look
at all these times he's open. He didn't get the football.
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Browns are going to trade him? What do you think
of Odell Beckham Jr. The player in two thousand twenty one.
Odell Beckham as we know we knew him is not
the Odell Beckham that he is today. And that's just
a fact. He's not a staff Uh, he's not as elusive.
He's not as good as run after catch. Uh. If
you look at this, just breaking down to straight stats.
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For whatever reason, when Baker Mayfield throws him the football,
there's a lot of interceptions that occur. I mean a
couple of years ago. He threw picks and and uh
an eight of them. Um, sorry, none of them were
thrown to O b J. When you were start in
his direction. Uh. You know, on that style of offense,
when you run the ball with two really good running backs.
He got a good tight end. Of course he got
Jarvis Landry. There's only so many places to go with
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the football, and uh, Odell Beckham has to be sort
of the big play guy. You have to have somebody,
especially on those play actions and boo legs and started
to take the top off the coverage, get those safeties deep,
and so a lot of times he's just not open,
and so obviously Baker's going to other other places with
the ball. I did see a play at the end
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of that game, and there was a little play action.
It was right down the middle. Odell had a post
right down the middle, and he put up one hand,
tried one of the one hand catches. If he makes
the catch, it's a good chance Cleveland wins bat football game.
But he puts up one hand so like we've all
seen him do that before, ends up going incomplete. And
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it sort of made me feel, you know, if I
was a quarterback and it's and this is not first
quarter or first half, this is fend of the fourth
quarter as we're trying to win this thing, and he
puts up one hand to sort to catch that ball
short of the old alligator arms as they say. So
I think there's a lot going on behind the scenes
beway between Obi j and Baker. I'm a big believer
in Covins the Fansky to try to uh the psychologically
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bring the whole thing together. But just right off the bat,
Odell Beckham is not physically the same guy he was
with the New York Giants. That's the fact if you
go to all the pro football focused stuff, he was
always above eighty when when he was with the Giants.
He hasn't reached seventy before yet as far as his
grades um, since he's been with the Cleveland Browns. And
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so he's just simply not the player he was before.
No matter how many media people think he's still a
great player, He's just not the player he was before.
Doug Otlip Show here on Fox Sports Radio stage, Rosenville
is our guest. He breaks down all the take twelve
year NFL VET a quarterback. Um, okay, so help me
out with the Chargers. Uh, they just got their asses
kicked by the Baltimore Ravens. Right that that that happened.
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But but the Patriots lass was different. Uh. There were
several drops on third down, which are that's a turnover? Right?
You had two interceptions, one Jared Cook's not looking. The
other one Austin Nekeler went through his hands. It wasn't
the perfect pass, but it did go through his hands
and into defender's hands. What do you make of the
chargers sudden struggles, especially with with with Herbert turning the
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football over well, But I think it's a long season
and you're gonna have sort of ebbs and flows, and
you know this is not a dominant football team. They
definitely had their issues defensively, and so you know they're
just not a dominant team. So you know offensively they're
gonna have some games they don't play as well. Obviously Baltimore, man,
they ran to a buzz sall. I'll tell you what
that would you go play a little Belichick team when
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you're a quarterback and Herbert still a very young guy,
there's just an uneasiness there when you go, especially you
go up to New England or wherever you play. When
you play a Bill Belichick team, there's like an uneasiness
because you just know he has certain sort of tricks
up his sleeve, and he's such an identifyer of what
is the other team good at, what is justin Herbert
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good at? And also like what does he not like?
What gives him some struggles? The protection that certain types
of coverages, uh is that vary s blitzes or looks
that he can give them. That makes him just a
little bit uneasy in that pocket. So he's not as
accurate and he's not sort of commanding of the position,
and I feel like that's what he sort of ran
into in New England's a good defense up there, Uh,
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Mayo matting mac Jones, a good quarterback, and I think
what they ran into a game where and of course
they just got destroyed by Baltimore the week before that,
I think, you know, they're just sort of in one
of those swoons. And I feel very competent with Herberton
that coaching staff that they will work their way out
of it. But it's not a surprise. What are young?
I mean Tom Brady went up to New England was
at about a month ago, and I think he was
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like twenty two or forty three. It was my key
through per cent. So there's something about playing against Bill
Belichick that can be really hard for an old quarterback. Uh,
and very much for a younger guy in a second
year stud gotlib show here on Fox Sports Radio. Uh,
there's so many things I want to get to with you. Stage.
Rosen Hills is our guest, of course, breaks down tape
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on every NFL game. Um, how do you think Justin
Fields played Sunday? So he played pretty good? You know,
I do a Chicago Bears radio show every Tuesday. So
I rewatched the film film if I didn't see it
on on Sunday, and they are finally using him the
way he should be used. There they run the ball
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pretty well when he's understanding, and then a lot of
bootlegs and a lot of plaction, and when he is
dropping back, he is so accurate on the outside routes.
You know those fifteen yard comeback routes. Uh, that's where
he is. He never missed his balls, like right in
the chests the receivers. He throws on time. So I
think they're trying to sort of figure out what they
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have with him as far as that's just his physical capabilities,
but mentally as a rookie, you have to protect a rookie.
I don't I don't care if there are a four
point oh student. Uh, you know, coming out of Harvard,
when you get to the NFL, there's just so much information.
So what they were doing before was man. There was
a lot of a lot of empty a lot of
shotgun teams bringing blitzzes from different sides. You can tell
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he's you can tell he's thinking as he's playing, trying
to figure out protections and where he should go with
the football. It's just a lot for a young guy
to be in shotgun being empty and they were with
they were they were that style of offense way too
much early in the year. I do feel like they
are finally start to figure out what's the best way
for justin fields to be effective. And I thought he
played really well in this game, and he had about
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you know, three or four runs. Of course, the highlight
touchdown run on a fourth and one, which end up
being a terrible call. Defense Spend was right up the field,
right in his ace. He makes him miss, cuts the
ball back and runs for about thirties or so yards
for a touchdown. I mean he has physical capabilities sort
of in a sense of running the ball Michael Vick wise,
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and he's got a great arm, so he misses some
throws here and there. He met two or three shrows
in this game. He occasionally have a ball sail on him.
But I really do like him. I don't know, I'm
not sure if this coaching staff, in particular offensively will
be here in the future, but I do like him.
As a quarterback, you just have to have the right
offense form that really maximizes his strength and as a rookie,
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minimizes those weaknesses, which for any rookie is going to
be protections and the complexity of the game. Stull gotlip
show here on Fox Sports Radio really quickly sage what
do the Saints do to Tom Brady that others do not?
Sometimes I wonder if it's actually Sean Payton. I know
Sean's like an offensive guy, but sometimes offensive guys watch
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other quarterbacks and they sort of over time figure out
what they're good at. Because you, I mean, Sean Payton
has watched Tom Brady for twenty plus years too and
all this and you just watched his style of offense,
knows he wants to get the ball out, knows he's
now the guy who hangs onto it usually for four
or five seconds, and was trying to throw the ball
down the field. And and I think also probably just
playing in New Orleans is not easy. That's that is
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a tough place to play. So I think some of
it just has to do with Sean Payton has seen
what what Tom Bertie has done over all his career,
and what are the throws that he really likes and
and what sort of makes that team struggle a little bit,
and and obviously you know on the interceptions for the
game winner in that game. We have seen Tom hit
Gronk or various receivers for two decades now on the
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on that deep crossing route it's about a fifteen yard
route versus outside leverage man the man. It's great because
the receiver's inside the secondary player and you had a
safety stuff up right in front of it, and you
don't see that very often. But my guess is that
he had a little extra information that you know, Tom
is not to hang out of the football that we
played and the man which lot of teams play man
the man versus Brady that that is the throw that
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he loves. And the safety stuffed up right in front
and made the play of that game. So I think
it has a lot lots to do the fact that
Sean Payton knows quarterbacks really well, and of course playing
in that dome is nearly impossible. Stug gottlip show here
on Fox Sports Trader. That's Sage rosen Fell's Okay former
NFL quartbrick. Follow him on Twitter at Sage Rosenfell's eighteen
sage of the best Man. Appreciate you join us. All right,
(33:25):
thanks thanks for having me. I appreciate it. This is
the best of the dog Got Leap Show on Fox
Sports Radio. What up Doug Gottlieb Show, Fox Sports Radio?
Mm hmm we had Monday Night Football yesterday and um yeah,
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Many cast is awesome, awesome. I just I don't know
how anybody goes back. It's like one of those Um
it's like once you get up. Once we got the
h D t V. Did you have you ever tried
to watch something in standard deaf? You're like, how did
I watch this for all these years and not get confused? Right?
(34:16):
Have you ever tried that? Remember the first time you
got a big screen TV and then you try to
watch in like a small box? You're like, wow, this
is not really as cool, you know first time. Once
you upgrade your phone, then you go to your own phone,
like you just look at your phones. Like, once you
go to the Manning Cast, how can you go anywhere else?
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Jay stud you watch? Did you watch the Manning Cast?
You watch regular? I always watched the Manning Cast. I'm
I'm fascinated by those guys. And again I always repeat
myself here, Um, the guests are fine, but I just
like both of them reacting to the football game. I
mean that's when they're they're most like organic times. You know.
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It is interesting though on how some geah are into
the game and some guests are just into the interview
and and the differences and and even like Drew Brees
last week was like super disappointing to me because he
was just slow in his like what would you do here, Drew?
And he like has to see it and it's where
it's like Payton's already knows what he's seeing, what he's
looking at, like it's a it's inside the mind you're watching.
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This is what a savant is like when he watches
a sport, his sport. You know. I love how fast
he crushed that chicken last night. That was that was impressive.
That reminded me. sALS very Sean Salt is very used
to I used to work together at at ESPN, and
he'd be doing TV all day and he wouldn't have
a bunch of time, and he'd send somebody out to
go get like a bucket of chicken, a bucket of KFC.
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And that guy could eat a bucket of KFC with
a little help, Like, hey, you want to you want
to you wanna thigh here? Like you know, I'm a
thigh guy like dies. With a little help, he could
down a bucket of chicken faster than any human beings
should ever consider eating a bucket of chicken. Oh, it
was really I was watching I was watching Peyton last
(36:04):
night and that was my immediate thought. Actually sent a
text to Salisbury because of it. Your favorite line or
moment of last night? I guess that's for me. Yes,
between the Mannings, I did like the chicken thing and
the way Eli just kind of broke it down. Um.
(36:26):
There there was a moment uh with with stray Hand
where they kind of pointed out the dogs chasing cars
and stray Hand basically showed highlights of the super Bowl
when he beat Brady. That was funny. Um, okay, what
about you there? Um, Dan Buyer, did you would you
watch last night? Yeah? I had the had the Manning
cast on. What do you think? I thought? It was
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another you know, another good performance. My my favorite part
and I think they do a really good job of
this and this isn't live on TV, but they have
stuff prepared. Was when they had Michael Irvin on and
they were talking about him in a three point stance,
lining up at Miami as a wide receiver in a
three point stance, and it was just they obviously had
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the clip ready, so you know, it was it's obviously
done in their preparation, so it's not just them sitting
on a couch for the three hours and then unplugging
and leaving like there's work that goes involved. And I
thought that that really paid off, Like it was it
was funny to see Michael Irvin line up in a
three point stance as a wide receiver and score a
touchdown for Miami and college. Yeah, you know, it's funny,
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but the three point stance. I have a a friend
of mine, I'll keep his name out of it, who
was with the now Washington football team right back then
the Redskins when Joe Gibbs came back and Joe Gibbs,
remember he spent like was eleven years away with with
NASCAR and then came back to be head coach of
the Yeah, it was a yeah, it was a yeah.
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It was a good portion of time, right when three
Super bowls came back trying to fix the try to
fix the football team, and he did. They were actually
decent for a while. Um. Anyway, their offensive installed day,
they sit down in the room and they're trying to
install the offense and he's running the old clips of
the old Washington like back when they ran counter tray
and they had the hogs and whatever, and the wide
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receivers are in a three point stance. And the guys
were like, dude, but you can't. We we can't play
this like this. We can't do this, you know. So, yeah,
that's what I thought of when I when I heard
that line. It's like, they guys, don't, they don't. That
doesn't work anymore. Yeah, not so much. It's funny too.
And I know that our bosses are not going to
want to hear this, but I will say because they
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are absolute train wrecks going to commercial like it is
like you have, they have to tell the other guy
to shut up and then they I gotta say, well,
it is not good, but it doesn't matter because the
content is so good and there I think it's almost
better if they don't try and tease to break, They
don't try and do the TV stuff right like it
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does it does it in honest, he feeds into and
I'm guessing that you said this to TV people in
the past, and radio is much the same. You know,
Like I've been trained by some people on how to
do radio and how to do resets and also stuff.
But you know what the truth is, if you do
good enough radio, nobody actually cares about reset or a
tease or whatever. And and there's a there's someone who
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still does radio and he does television who is synonymous
with like he's all the best teaser, He's great at teasing.
Like that's awesome. But you know what really helps is
when the content in between the teases is can't miss.
And that's this is the perfect example of it. It
is for example of it. There's no like formatics of
it doesn't matter anything. Yeah, go ahead, John Ramos, you
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want to get on this. Well, I did watch it
as well. I do enjoy it. I think it is
everything that both Dan and you and Jason have said.
There's a butt coming, there's a But there was one
time a couple of last night where I was watching
it and they were talking it think was Josh Allen.
They were showing like a bunch of pictures but the
game was going on and I could hear it in
the background, and I'm like, what like they're actually running plays,
(40:02):
but I'm not seeing the plays, and maybe for most
people they don't care, but I run it. Like then
they came back to the game and they're like a
couple of places that I had already run, and I'm like,
what happened? Like maybe that's for me to change back
to the other station to watch that. I don't know,
but I thought they were supposed to show the game
like in a little cube somewhere and then talk about
other things. But maybe at this particular moment they didn't
(40:22):
do that. That's all. But that's a very small, very
small problem in the big picture that is very good. Um, yes,
they're gonna miss some plays. There's a way to do it,
I think with the NFL, where you have more spacing
where you can do it. Um. A part of that,
I think is it's charm right where it does feel
like they're just going and they don't actually care. But
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it's a good point you make where there's you know,
there's if you want to watch every play in at
tradtional broadcast that that still exists, still exists. Doug Alam
showing at Fox Sports Trader. Do you hear this? This
is Jon Stewart, who was on last night, his exchange
with Peyton Manning. It is just to make another Manning.
You've got this by you quarterback reading program down there.
(41:07):
You just keep making more Mannings. Make a couple for us.
My dad's stud fee has really gone up in the
past point of years. It's a great line. If you
can make Jon Stewart like laugh like that, you know,
I mean, that guy's funny. He knows what funny is.
It's got to take a lot to make him with.
That was a great line, it was. This is Peyton's
(41:28):
exchange with Josh Allen. What's not cool is that our
flag football team, we are the Bills and you can
put your last name on the back, right. I mean,
my son's name is Manning, it's my name, is my
dad's name. I'd like him to put Manning on the
back of New Jersey instead. What does he put Jay Allen?
Jay Allen, I mean, tell me how to interpret that
(41:51):
and when you please tell him that's not a nice
way to treat his father. That's amazing. This is Peyton.
Remember last week Tom Brady said defenders are really dogs
chasing cars. Here's Michael Strahan pushing back on that. I
don't know if you solve it. Last week, Tom Brady
came on this show. They called defensive players. Let me
read it, dogs chasing cars. Letna say that again. Defensive
(42:13):
players dogs chasing cars take all the time you need
for a rebuttal. All I must say is I love
and respect Tom Brady. Um, I appreciate him. One giant
loss going down right there in the sack. He's my
business partner and religion of sports. All right. I respect
(42:37):
a dog chasing No, that was what you call a
d for the event, chasing the ring, and we got it.
That's funny, that's funny. I look, I still think that
that's classic quarterback. Offensive player. We're smarter than defensive player.
Trash talk. I think the people that are really bothered
by that they've never played the sport. They don't know
(42:58):
what that actually means, what actually translates. There just some
parts of trash talk which feel a lot more harsh
than they actually are. Uh And by the way, the
Chiefs were fine last night. They won a game against
the Giants, and giants aren't very good. I don't know
if I have any major takeaways other than I still
don't think Pat Mahomes is playing great and we still
(43:19):
keep feeding into it. Anytime he throws the ball side
arm or underhand or whatever, we freak out when part
of that's the problem, right, He just singles and doubles
will win him more games
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