August 28, 2024 • 31 mins
He may have founded Barnes & Noble, but Diane found out what she was getting for her birthday.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
To what Leonard Riggio is famous for. He is the
founder of Barnes and Nobles. Neither a Barnes nor a Noble, No,
not at all. As a matter of fact, he's not
even a b Dalton No. But he bought out b
Dalton I know as part of the Barnes and Noble family. Absolutely,
Barnes and Noble founder Leonard Riggio, who built a single
(00:23):
bookstore into a national powerhouse, died yesterday. I believe complications
from Alzheimer's is what he ended up dying from. He
opened his bookstore, his first bookstore in nineteen sixty five.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
Oh, I thought Barnes and Noble went way back before that.
Speaker 3 (00:44):
It did.
Speaker 1 (00:45):
Oh, he opened his first bookstore and it did so well.
Speaker 3 (00:49):
He bought Barnes and Noble.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
How many locations did Barnes and Noble have at the time, one?
Speaker 3 (00:55):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (00:55):
Okay, So that's why he's considered the father of what
we know of.
Speaker 1 (01:00):
Barnes and Noble. But but keep in mind he it
could have. I don't know what his bookstore was named.
Let's say it was called Uhriggio's right, he could have.
He could have kept the Riggio name and just bought
like he didn't keep the b Dalton name, but when
he bought Barnes and Noble, he switched over from Riggio's
and kept it as Barnes and Noble. Where was this.
Speaker 3 (01:26):
At Barnes and Noble.
Speaker 1 (01:28):
I feel like we should know where the original Barnes
and Noble was.
Speaker 3 (01:32):
I don't think it was.
Speaker 1 (01:33):
The one that I went to the most was in
seven Corners, And I don't think that is the original. No,
wasn't where no where? Where was the was? Don't say it, Please,
don't say it. Diane was the original Barnes and Noble
in Seattle? I thought it was New York.
Speaker 3 (01:52):
Where was Riggio from?
Speaker 4 (01:54):
He's from New York, born in Manhattan.
Speaker 3 (01:57):
Oh, then it has to New York.
Speaker 2 (01:59):
Could be seven Corners early years in Brooklyn, right, still
could be seven Corners.
Speaker 3 (02:03):
That's the one I went to the.
Speaker 1 (02:04):
Most, went to NYU. Right.
Speaker 4 (02:07):
Barnes and Noble founded in nineteen seventy one by Riggio
when he acquired the Barnes and Noble trade name and
bookstore in New York City.
Speaker 1 (02:14):
So was the first expansion must have been to seven Corners.
What was his store called? Does it say?
Speaker 3 (02:24):
I don't know the answer to that.
Speaker 1 (02:25):
Diane.
Speaker 4 (02:26):
Let's see, also founded their college booksellers.
Speaker 1 (02:31):
Right, No, I don't see that.
Speaker 3 (02:35):
Does Barnes and Nobles still exist?
Speaker 1 (02:37):
Yeah? Yes? Where where's there in Potomakyard?
Speaker 3 (02:41):
There's not a Barnes and Noble and Potomac Yard Where.
Speaker 4 (02:45):
Down closer to Total Wine there's.
Speaker 1 (02:48):
Barnes and Noble in there? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (02:49):
Is the one at seven Corners still open?
Speaker 1 (02:51):
That was?
Speaker 3 (02:51):
You know? That's the second location?
Speaker 2 (02:53):
I hope just for its legacy.
Speaker 3 (02:55):
I can't. I can't tell you the last time I
was in a Barnes and Noble's. So is it real?
But so did did Reggio die? Loaded?
Speaker 1 (03:03):
In my mind Barnes and Noble went out of business,
which is not the case. But there's no way they
do as well as they used to buy everything online?
You could read everything online. I don't like reading online.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
He started at NYU, the student Book Exchange as a
competitor to the official bookstore.
Speaker 3 (03:21):
Are you serious?
Speaker 1 (03:22):
You know the school.
Speaker 3 (03:24):
Hates him?
Speaker 1 (03:25):
So wait a minute, So to jack with NYU. He
started his own book exchange.
Speaker 2 (03:30):
And probably had a lot of the used books to
make the cost go down for the students.
Speaker 3 (03:37):
They're right about that. They hated him.
Speaker 1 (03:38):
No, statue of Leonard Riggio there.
Speaker 2 (03:40):
And isn't it funny how Barnes and Noble has now
gone into f college students. Yes, absolutely taking over bookstores.
Speaker 4 (03:47):
Yes, there's still a bunch around here and around Richmond.
Speaker 3 (03:51):
Are there really?
Speaker 1 (03:51):
Yeah? Wait, Christian, she mean the one right down the
street is still open.
Speaker 2 (03:54):
What are you thinking of Borders?
Speaker 1 (03:56):
No, Borders went out of business. Borders is gone. Dalton
is gone. B Dalton was the second largest book chain.
Speaker 3 (04:04):
No.
Speaker 1 (04:04):
I just thought they had all gone out of business. No, Like,
if you told me that it existed strictly as a
as an online store, then I would have said okay,
But no, I would I would have never guessed it's open.
Speaker 2 (04:18):
We just talked about the reopening, and yesterday keeps getting
pushed back of the Georgetown Barnes and Noble Halloween.
Speaker 1 (04:26):
The where was the did that Did the big one
in Bethesda reopen? There was that massive one in Bethesda
and that one shut down.
Speaker 3 (04:36):
I don't know if that reopened.
Speaker 1 (04:39):
Uh, they're considering returning, Okay, but they've been gone forever
twenty eighteen. Yeah, yeah, it's been gone. What is there
to consider now?
Speaker 2 (04:47):
It's like it's doing well Barnes and Noble. If all
these stores are reopening online?
Speaker 1 (04:54):
Uh?
Speaker 2 (04:55):
Didn't people like the cafe? Was that Riggio's idea?
Speaker 1 (04:58):
Like?
Speaker 2 (04:58):
Did he introduce all the ideas of like staying there
forever and eating lunch.
Speaker 1 (05:02):
There right and people not buying the books and just
sitting there and reading them?
Speaker 4 (05:07):
Increasing the magazines?
Speaker 1 (05:10):
What else do you do with the magazines at Barnes
and Noble taking right into the bathroom? Yeah? Absolutely never.
He used to do it all the time. I used
to read. I used to read the the what you.
Speaker 3 (05:20):
Call it.
Speaker 1 (05:22):
Fantasy draft magazines in the I can't buy.
Speaker 3 (05:25):
In the Barns And what do I need it for?
Speaker 1 (05:26):
I just got I sometimes would take a couple of pages.
Speaker 3 (05:28):
Out of them. Wait.
Speaker 2 (05:30):
He also founded game Stop. No way, that's what it
says here, are you serious? In addition to Barnes and Noble,
he founded the Barnes and Noble College Booksellers, NBS textbook
and video game company game Stop.
Speaker 3 (05:44):
That dude is smart, says.
Speaker 2 (05:47):
At the height of his operations, he was responsible for
five thousand retail stores nationwide Jesus Christ, employing more than
one hundred thousand people.
Speaker 1 (05:58):
You know what, good for him? Good for him game
stops still in business barely. Well, yeah, that one you
could have wondered more about. I think the but honestly
the and listen, I'm not anti reading, but the I
just I can't tell you the last time I went
into a Barnes and Noble.
Speaker 2 (06:14):
I just said yesterday that I wished my reading was
allowed for more pleasure because I couldn't think of a word,
and I blamed it on not reading enough for pleasure, right,
and my reading style being more work based and and
and at times more of a scam than it is
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an actual read where I'm taking in all of the
words because I could not think of a synonym for
come to terms with right, it just sounded too clunky.
In the poem I was writing, the sorry when I
speak it's it's often referred to as poetic.
Speaker 1 (06:51):
Oh.
Speaker 2 (06:52):
So in conversation with my wife, I had to settle
for come to terms with I'll settle.
Speaker 1 (06:58):
Would have been a good one and I will not
read for pleasure though that would be a treasure.
Speaker 2 (07:06):
I told her, I wished that I could have read
more because we just had a friend man.
Speaker 1 (07:10):
Or a book I'm on a hunt.
Speaker 2 (07:12):
You had a friend mentioned to us she read forty
seven books this summer.
Speaker 1 (07:15):
That's amazing, this summer. That's amazing. That's amazing. But I
don't write it's very rare. Nah, can I say that?
Is it rare that I read for pleasure?
Speaker 4 (07:24):
The only time I do is on vacation.
Speaker 3 (07:26):
The no, you read books for here?
Speaker 1 (07:28):
If we have an author on pleasure, that's work. Yeah,
but I still enjoy reading the book.
Speaker 2 (07:33):
It's work.
Speaker 1 (07:34):
Yeah, there's a due date.
Speaker 4 (07:35):
The yeah, you're you're under a deadline.
Speaker 1 (07:38):
Do you finish books that you like? If you get
a book for the summer, do you do? Do you
complete it?
Speaker 4 (07:42):
I finished the one that I read over vacation.
Speaker 3 (07:44):
Do you finish every book you read?
Speaker 5 (07:46):
Now?
Speaker 1 (07:48):
So you're not one of those people that if you
if you if you buy the book.
Speaker 3 (07:52):
You you you you.
Speaker 1 (07:55):
Have to read a power through it, like if you
start it, you read it.
Speaker 4 (07:58):
No, there was like that Steve Jobs book took me
forever to finish. It was also like six hundred pages. Okay,
but did I do that?
Speaker 3 (08:05):
But you finished it?
Speaker 4 (08:06):
Yeah, but it took me a long long time.
Speaker 3 (08:08):
The but if you, if you start a book that
is set.
Speaker 4 (08:11):
I hate that because it was months between chapters.
Speaker 1 (08:14):
Sometimes you had to go back and pick up again.
Speaker 4 (08:18):
Well, you got to skim the prior.
Speaker 2 (08:20):
The Lindsay was just reading a book and she was
telling me every time she.
Speaker 1 (08:25):
Picked it up, I hate this book, but I have
to see how it ends. The was it a was
it a was it a like a like a fictional piece?
Speaker 3 (08:34):
Right? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (08:35):
No, But a lot of people are like that where
if you if you get a book for pleasure, if
you start it, you stop it or you don't stop it.
Excuse me right that you finish it, especially if you've
purchased it.
Speaker 2 (08:47):
The yeah, but I mean library, it's a lot easier
to set a book though.
Speaker 1 (08:52):
Yeah. The never done that. The when you were younger,
we never went to the library too poor the no,
just my parents wouldn't take it. What was mom coming
home from the hotel to take us to a library?
Speaker 3 (09:03):
Please? Uh am?
Speaker 1 (09:04):
I going to line too? Do you finish if you start?
Do you finish the last book I read? Yeah? I
finished it? The but did you dislike the book? Oh?
I liked it? No?
Speaker 2 (09:14):
No, but understand I can understand that drive to complete,
because then you you hope on the flip side that
it's going to get better.
Speaker 1 (09:23):
The yeah, or you feel like, oh, I'll glean something
from this, or I'm going to learn something from this
the right synonym the yeah exactly. And then I envy
people who will go, now I'm done with this.
Speaker 3 (09:39):
I can't read it. I'm done where I go soon though.
Speaker 4 (09:44):
Like a couple of chapters in and then you bail.
Speaker 3 (09:46):
Well, yeah, but how long are the chapter quarters of
the way in?
Speaker 2 (09:49):
And you're like, I don't need to complete this.
Speaker 3 (09:51):
One, are there?
Speaker 1 (09:53):
No, you wouldn't if you're If you're three quarters in,
you're going to finish. Okay, if you're three quarters in,
you're going to finish now. I do hate finishing a
book that was good for three quarters in and then
the last quarter sucks. I hate that. That pisses me off.
What was the book that I had that with was
a primal fear.
Speaker 2 (10:11):
But that's the benefit of Diane reading the ending.
Speaker 1 (10:13):
She knows not right to my last page, right to
the last page. Hi, elliot in the morning.
Speaker 5 (10:19):
Good morning, it's brain bleed.
Speaker 4 (10:21):
Blame bleed girl.
Speaker 1 (10:22):
Oh very good eight.
Speaker 3 (10:23):
Bear with me for one second, Christian, will you do
me a favor?
Speaker 1 (10:26):
Will you find me just a cause I don't need
like super readers or like a summer readers or anything.
Just people who read books that from time to time.
Like it doesn't have to be somebody who read forty
seven this summer. Just readers in general. Eight six six.
I don't care if you read one book over the summer.
I don't care if you read one book this year,
eight six six to Elliott eight six six two three
five five four six eight anyway, yes, ma'am back to you.
Speaker 5 (10:50):
Yeah, I have two Barnes and Nobles with them seven
minutes of me, and I'm actually going there later today
to get a one year old birthday present, because that's
where I get all kids presents from.
Speaker 1 (11:00):
The By the way, why do you get kids presents
from Barnes and Noble toy sex. They've got a great
toy section, did they really?
Speaker 5 (11:07):
Yeah, And it's also categorized. It's also categorized by like
preschool toddler children, so it makes everything really easy get.
Speaker 1 (11:20):
But also i'll get excuse me, I'll get pardon, I
will get no for If it's a kid that we
have to get something for, I get them.
Speaker 3 (11:27):
One of Meltzer's books.
Speaker 1 (11:28):
Yeah, Like I'll send Brad a text and go, hey
can you send me and then I will forward that along.
Speaker 2 (11:35):
I know Diane sold it by yelling out puzzles. But
Barnes and Noble, to your surprise, Barnes and Noble does
have a lot of dumb toys too, like they got Actually.
Speaker 1 (11:44):
They have a toys figure sections here.
Speaker 3 (11:46):
Are you serious? It's a bookstore.
Speaker 1 (11:49):
Well, they also sold drinks.
Speaker 4 (11:51):
There is a Starbucks cafe.
Speaker 1 (11:53):
Okay, that's why I could have something to drink. Well,
they do have it. It's a department store. Excuse me, ma'am.
The yeah, I had no idea, but it's been forever
since I've been to a Barnes and Noble.
Speaker 3 (12:02):
Hey, let me, ma'am.
Speaker 1 (12:03):
What was your name again?
Speaker 4 (12:06):
My name is Janine?
Speaker 3 (12:07):
Janine?
Speaker 1 (12:07):
How will you if you start a book, do you
finish it?
Speaker 4 (12:12):
I have a five months old and a two year old?
Speaker 1 (12:14):
Hell no, so no, so, but so you'll start a book.
I don't mean in one sitting. But if you you'll
start a book, and if you don't find it enjoyable,
you could just stop reading it.
Speaker 5 (12:26):
Uh huh, yeah, I mean that's happened a couple of times.
One of them was just intimidating.
Speaker 6 (12:32):
It was a seven hundred page book. I got to
like five hundred and then it got weird.
Speaker 1 (12:37):
I just stopped.
Speaker 3 (12:38):
Why do I feel guilty if I do that?
Speaker 4 (12:41):
If you bail on a book, Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (12:43):
I've invested so much time already.
Speaker 4 (12:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (12:45):
But even if i'm and listen, I know I'm a
slow thank you, thank you. Blame breed the I know
I'm a slow reader. Like I can't scan. I literally
have to read every single word or else I can't.
I can't get through the book. I'm not I'm not
a I'm I'm a very good reader. I'm not a
fast reader. I don't know that you would call me
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a strong reader, but I'm great at reading. Okay, well no,
but it makes it sound like I can't read. It
was the most confusing because I don't want people to
think I'm illiterate. I know how to read and I'm
good at it. Wouldn't that be shocking your last day?
What a reveal? The No, No, I'm just I'm a
(13:28):
very slow reader. Because I do have to read every
single word. You can't fire me. I'm a literate. Oh
so I'm reading here that a lot of book not reviewers,
but people who post about books will tag some with DNF,
which we know, of course from motorsports, right, but it's
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apparently a literary Uh, there's a literary usage as well
for the acronym. Wait, so like who, I can't even
know who's a book reviewer? No?
Speaker 2 (13:59):
No, this is this is and just reviewers? Yeah exactly.
Speaker 1 (14:03):
Oh oh so you don't mean like the New York
Times book review.
Speaker 2 (14:06):
No, no, anyone who's just posting about a book.
Speaker 1 (14:10):
And what do we know about New York Times book reviewers?
They don't even read the whole book. How many authors
have we talked to they were like, oh, crap, you
guys read the book. That's it. That's the radio shows,
the No. But even New York Times doesn't do it. Really, Yeah,
I've been told no, I've been told by writers the
uh melt her, No it wasn't Brad, the Vince flynnment,
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the the oh.
Speaker 3 (14:39):
But I've never done that. I do feel guilty.
Speaker 1 (14:42):
Like this past summer, I read a book I can't
even remember the name of it, and I probably got
one hundred pages into it and it was so dry
I couldn't read it and I stopped, and it bothers
me to this day. This is interesting.
Speaker 2 (14:57):
Before dropping a book, you need to figure out what's
motive you to stop it was is the writing bad?
Or is the author experimenting in a creative way that
might push you as the reader?
Speaker 3 (15:09):
Oh I like that?
Speaker 1 (15:10):
No, this was just it was really dry and boring.
Not on me the No, No, it was it was bad.
It was bad.
Speaker 2 (15:17):
And if you hate something enough for to elicit this response,
it might be worth sticking with. Just better understand why.
Speaker 3 (15:23):
No, that's when you put it down.
Speaker 1 (15:26):
And I know brand for me would be like, if
you don't like it, just stop, Like what what are
you forcing yourself for? And they'll tell you. People don't
have a surplus of free time. So if you're if
you're reading a book you don't like, why keep reading it?
Speaker 2 (15:40):
From a teacher here, I love when a student comes
to class railing about an assigned reading. Getting them to
define why they feel so strongly and getting other students
to react to them is worthwhile for everyone. I hate
when teachers turn situations like that around.
Speaker 1 (15:57):
Oh, well, tell me why you didn't like it. I'll
tell you why Beowolf is boring.
Speaker 2 (16:03):
I would rather than power through and hate and have
big feelings than not read it all or be apathetic.
Speaker 3 (16:09):
Miss Aldridge was like.
Speaker 1 (16:10):
That that was my honors English or literature teacher. Drop
something in Aldridge. Nobody knows her honors the you know
who else had Miss Aldridge, Beyonce the But no, she
would do She would do that like if she were
like Elliott, what did you take of that chapter?
Speaker 3 (16:31):
And I was like, oh.
Speaker 1 (16:32):
God, and She's like, well, tell me why you didn't
like it. I was like, all quiet on the Western
Front is boring. But she would she'd nail you like
she she'd go in hard Emily from DC.
Speaker 2 (16:44):
I'm going to give the very unpopular opinion that you
should finish books you don't enjoy. I can name books
whose entire thesis or point I wholeheartedly disagreed with.
Speaker 1 (16:55):
But have loved see well whoa. I'm not going to
use the L word, but I'm with her. I do
I feel horribly guilty if I don't finish a book.
Speaker 3 (17:04):
You know why?
Speaker 1 (17:04):
Because I feel like I feel like I'm a quitter.
Speaker 3 (17:09):
And I'm not.
Speaker 4 (17:10):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (17:11):
But at the same time, if I ordered something to
eat and I didn't like it, I wouldn't need it.
Right if I turn on if I if I turn
on a movie at home in a theater, I'll sit
through anything that's not true. I did walk out of
Benicio del Toro's movie.
Speaker 3 (17:29):
I literally moved his legs so I could walk out.
Speaker 1 (17:32):
You were going to be called out for that if
you didn't mention the But like I, if I go
see a movie like with Jackie or something, even if
I don't like it, I'm not leaving. Oh.
Speaker 2 (17:43):
Then there's these people who feel like they cannot honestly
critique a work with full authority until they read the
whole thing.
Speaker 1 (17:52):
That's I'll give them that. I'll give him that.
Speaker 2 (17:54):
It's not fair to comment until you've hated.
Speaker 1 (17:59):
All of it, absolute absolutely, Where am I going?
Speaker 3 (18:02):
And there's so Listen, I've read books.
Speaker 1 (18:04):
None of them come to mind by name, but the
where like the first half could not be more horrible
and dry and boring, And then all of a sudden
that picks up, like chapter thirty three picks up, and
you're like, oh my god, this is all free. The
I enjoy a long read. And by the way, a
long book should not be intimidating.
Speaker 3 (18:21):
It's just word. It's just more words.
Speaker 1 (18:24):
A time is a luxury. Yeah, you know what you
know what's in.
Speaker 3 (18:28):
Well, two things are intimidating to me. With reading. I
can't read multiple books at a time now.
Speaker 1 (18:33):
I hate that. The I can't juggle back and forth.
And I'm like, I could watch multiple TV shows at
a time. I could watch multiple baseball games or hockey
games at a time and able to keep up with
what's going on on both.
Speaker 3 (18:44):
Yeah, can't do that with a book.
Speaker 4 (18:45):
Yeah, the duel or two or three books is like
makes me feel scattered.
Speaker 1 (18:50):
Don't and don't give me a lot of characters. So
that's a lot of people to remember.
Speaker 4 (18:54):
Yeah, if they're if they're on the fringe, I don't
even know about them.
Speaker 1 (18:57):
And if you are using old school literature, you are
not getting into.
Speaker 3 (19:01):
These new school eyes.
Speaker 1 (19:03):
Like I can't not anything that ends in if or
to sayth or something. I'll be honest, never read Shakespeare. Nope,
where am I going?
Speaker 3 (19:15):
Line seven?
Speaker 1 (19:16):
Hi, yellie in the morning, sixty eight sixty nine, there
we go, Yes, sir, good morning.
Speaker 6 (19:25):
I fairly read e books. I remember a high school
I had a book report on Fahrenheit for fifty one
and that is literally the only book report.
Speaker 3 (19:34):
That I ever did in school. Are you serious? Ember?
I never. I never did.
Speaker 6 (19:38):
On my my I would bribe my teachers to pass
me with just ad, just the past.
Speaker 1 (19:44):
Whatever, because you wouldn't read. Let me ask you that,
where are by the way, where'd you go to school?
Where are you calling me from? I am in a
Oh damn it, you cut out?
Speaker 3 (19:55):
Where are you?
Speaker 1 (19:57):
I'm in Ohio?
Speaker 3 (19:58):
Oh okay, I went to school in oklah.
Speaker 1 (20:01):
Because I don't remember Fahrenheit four fifty one being assigned reading. Hey,
what now as an adult? As an adult, do you
read it all? No, that's the last book you read?
Speaker 6 (20:13):
Yeah, hardly, hardly.
Speaker 1 (20:14):
Ever, I'll pick up four Fahrenheit four fifty one every
now and then.
Speaker 6 (20:18):
My wife, she's the she's the reader. We got a
huge bookcase full of books. I swear she buys like
fifty books a year.
Speaker 2 (20:26):
Hey, you got to challenge him to tell you? Why
the turn it on him?
Speaker 1 (20:30):
Why the script? Why don't you why didn't Why don't
you enjoy reading? Yeah?
Speaker 6 (20:36):
I just I find it very boring.
Speaker 1 (20:38):
You're reading the wrong book.
Speaker 6 (20:39):
Rather watch a movie.
Speaker 1 (20:42):
Now we're on the same page. Don't assign me, don't
tell me I have to read The Great Gatsby. I
can watch that. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (20:50):
Oh, miss Watch. That was exactly Miss.
Speaker 1 (20:53):
Aldridge made us do that, and then she was like,
when it's over, then we'll watch the movie. I was like,
oh my god, Notes City, let's see if we could
pick out the differences.
Speaker 3 (21:04):
Well I can't. One's a book, one's a TV show.
Speaker 4 (21:06):
How many hours of life wasted?
Speaker 1 (21:11):
That's Cliff's story. Yeah, where did that come out? As geo? Like?
Who founded that?
Speaker 3 (21:17):
I used to know the answer to that.
Speaker 2 (21:18):
Remember the shelves of yellow and blackness notes?
Speaker 1 (21:22):
Well don't they sell that at Barnes and Noble.
Speaker 2 (21:24):
Well, now aren't there spark notes? That's I feel like
that came into play later in my.
Speaker 1 (21:29):
Academic really yea, yeah, I don't know what Cliff was like.
Speaker 2 (21:33):
Do kids know what cliffs notes are?
Speaker 3 (21:35):
Yes?
Speaker 2 (21:36):
So that's still a thing now, don't know. I feel
that the internet has sort of taken over for some
recent books.
Speaker 4 (21:44):
There's spark notes, lit charts, and grade Saver.
Speaker 2 (21:49):
Clifton Hilligas nineteen fifty eight in Nebraska, I was working
at Nebraska Book Company, published a series of study guides
and then continued on with the business.
Speaker 1 (22:02):
So it was originally a study guy, so it was
almost like a quiz lit.
Speaker 2 (22:06):
Isn't how they kind of pitched it to us in
modern times as a study guide. It's not how I
used to be on top, Like you don't read this
instead of the book I did.
Speaker 1 (22:17):
That's what they were. I don't know what they pitched
it as. I know what I used it as. And
then they and but you'd get miss Aldridge. They started
with sixteen Shakespeare titles, Oh God, Macbeth, Garden of Something
or other nineteen sixty four. Sales reached one million annually.
(22:38):
I believe that. Hi, Elliott the Morning, four five six.
What can I do for you, sir, Ay Elliott? It's
Frank from Atlanta.
Speaker 3 (22:51):
Yes, sir, you don't read.
Speaker 1 (22:54):
I read better than talk.
Speaker 3 (23:01):
You couldn't read.
Speaker 1 (23:02):
Worse, no man.
Speaker 3 (23:13):
Anyway, Yes, sir, yes sir.
Speaker 1 (23:16):
How about books that start slow but then they pick up.
Speaker 3 (23:20):
That's a nice treat. That is a nice treat.
Speaker 1 (23:22):
Like I said, they're like sometimes you find a book
where you get halfway through and all of a sudden,
chapter thirty three, it picks up, and that is that's
a great treat. Are you let me ask you this though?
Are you are you? Are you of the mindset of
if you start it, you finish it or are you
able to just like dump it after like a hundred pages? Ah,
(23:43):
I gotta finsh it. Yeah. See, I'm with you. I'm
with you where you feel like I started? Is there
a thank you? Thank you my friend? But is there
is there a consensus of like you should give a
book a chance one hundred pages fifty pages? Like for example,
if you walked into a movie or you started a
movie that you didn't like, you wouldn't just get through
(24:04):
the opening credits and be done, like you give it
x amount of time in searching for it.
Speaker 2 (24:10):
A lot of the talk goes back to libraries and
saying you'll feel less guilty and it will push you
to explore new authors, new genres, new styles of writing.
If you stop, if you're using a library.
Speaker 1 (24:24):
Right, so I don't like this one, Let me get
something else, So you move on from something you don't
like in hopes of finding something you do like.
Speaker 2 (24:32):
This is from the Atlantic. Personal awareness and the ability
to keep an open mind in the future go a
lot further toward making you a good reader than trudging
through every book.
Speaker 1 (24:42):
You know what, that's a great positive spin. No, I
mean it really is. I mean what they don't want
you to do is put it down and go all
books are stupid, of course, no, no, but I've been there.
I know a guy who read Fahrenheit four fifty one
and that was it. But no, but you know what,
that is a positive been for somebody who feels like, no,
I got to trudge through this? Why why not? Why not?
(25:06):
Why not put down something you don't like, give it
a fair chance. But then maybe maybe you find out
you don't like biographies that you like fiction or nonfiction.
Speaker 2 (25:16):
But that's something you can apply to a lot of
different aspects of my food, music. I mean, most cultural
dating entities are a part of a larger umbrella.
Speaker 1 (25:29):
Yeah, dating.
Speaker 2 (25:32):
A dating So you mean like the people that you're seeing.
Speaker 1 (25:35):
Yeah, oh okay, Yeah, well.
Speaker 3 (25:37):
I tried this. Don't like redheads? Let me go find
a brunette or something.
Speaker 1 (25:40):
No, I mean, I'm being serious. You can apply it
to anything unless there's only one of them. Hi, Elliott
in the morning.
Speaker 3 (25:50):
Three four five six, who's this, Katie? Yes, Katie?
Speaker 1 (25:55):
And where are you calling me from?
Speaker 6 (25:57):
I'm calling you from Jessic, Maryland.
Speaker 1 (25:59):
Very good, and you're calling me with something important.
Speaker 6 (26:03):
Yeah. So I'm a frequent Flyer of Barnes and Noble.
I've been to them probably between forty and fifty times
this year. It was just there on Monday. I've read
seventy books since January.
Speaker 1 (26:18):
Wow, good for you. Any DNFs? Oh great question, Tyler.
Any DNFs?
Speaker 6 (26:24):
I don't think so.
Speaker 1 (26:26):
All fiction all nonfiction.
Speaker 3 (26:28):
Do you like to mix it up a little bit?
Speaker 6 (26:31):
All fiction, all same series?
Speaker 1 (26:34):
Oh okay, are you like one of those Abba girl
girls or like Colleen Hoover girls. Oh no, what do
you mean.
Speaker 6 (26:45):
No, I'm not one of those. What is John, I'm
not out here reading them. What is middle aged women reading?
Speaker 3 (26:54):
Oh you're an anime person.
Speaker 6 (26:56):
No, other actual like book books. They're not.
Speaker 1 (26:59):
What's what?
Speaker 3 (27:01):
What's the series?
Speaker 6 (27:02):
It's Warrior Cats. They're all about cats.
Speaker 1 (27:05):
Oh, dear god, you should have said Colleen Hoover.
Speaker 6 (27:09):
Oh my god. No, it's better than Colleen Hoover.
Speaker 1 (27:12):
You're reading a series of books about cats.
Speaker 4 (27:15):
As I know about these, I've never heard of Warrior Cats.
Speaker 6 (27:20):
Oh it's so good. Oh my gosh, is.
Speaker 3 (27:22):
It like is it like we're cats that protect the city?
Speaker 4 (27:27):
Warriors is a series of novels based on the adventures
and drama of multiple clans of feral cats in fictional forests,
and you read seventy of those this year.
Speaker 6 (27:40):
Yeah, I just picked up picked up my eighties yesterday.
Speaker 3 (27:43):
You're eightieth.
Speaker 2 (27:44):
How many are there?
Speaker 6 (27:47):
Well, you have the main series that are arcs, and
they have six each, and then you have the super editions,
and then there are a couple of mangos, and then
there are novellas which are about one hundred pages each,
but they're put into collections of three. I've read all
of them.
Speaker 1 (28:02):
I know what you didn't do this year? What celebrate
an anniversary?
Speaker 6 (28:09):
I'm only twenty four.
Speaker 1 (28:11):
Oh okay, yeah, I'm not even married. Is this on
the honest question?
Speaker 3 (28:18):
Would I like these books?
Speaker 6 (28:20):
No?
Speaker 4 (28:21):
No, you can't even can't you haven't read like you're
going to sit down and read a series of books
around feral cats.
Speaker 1 (28:31):
Maybe I just want to read one of the arts.
Speaker 2 (28:33):
She mentioned manga The.
Speaker 1 (28:36):
Couple Hate the Yes, I don't think.
Speaker 6 (28:40):
I don't think Elliott would like it per se, but
I do think Diane might like it.
Speaker 1 (28:43):
Money's trying to put Diane spent an hour yesterday trying
to convince me that we should do a show trip
to the American Museum of the house Cat. Oh my gosh,
I know also loser birthday two weeks away.
Speaker 6 (29:00):
That sounds like fun.
Speaker 1 (29:01):
Oh Tyler, great call. I'm ording right now on Amazon.
I was worried I didn't have a good gift. This
yere Okay, you want to go have these? You get
forty and I'll get forty.
Speaker 6 (29:16):
Yes, I've been hey, I've been averaging about eleven a month.
Speaker 1 (29:19):
Oh my god, that's all you know. What?
Speaker 3 (29:22):
Good on you though.
Speaker 1 (29:22):
That's your thing.
Speaker 3 (29:23):
That's your thing.
Speaker 1 (29:24):
Whitchbox set start with the manga, so.
Speaker 6 (29:27):
You're gonna want to start with the prophecies begins perfect.
Speaker 1 (29:30):
That's why right here? Oh my god, great, it's less
than thirty bucks. The uh well, for each of us,
it's less than fifteen the all right, very good. I
like you, I do. I like you a lot.
Speaker 6 (29:47):
Thank you. I've been listening. I've been. I listened most
warnings because I drive from jessup down to DC. I listen.
I just can't call it.
Speaker 1 (29:53):
The no no, well because we haven't talked book series.
Uh no, but that's great.
Speaker 3 (29:58):
I love you. I love you, all right, Thank you, ma'am,
thank you.
Speaker 2 (30:01):
Yes to this set of the very first books in
the series will be a welcome gift for readers new.
Speaker 1 (30:08):
Oh, Diane, I'm so happy. I just the other day
was worried that I didn't have a good be Day gift.
By the way, can I be completely honest with you,
totally forgot Diane's birthday was coming up until right now.
Speaker 4 (30:23):
It's September eleventh.
Speaker 1 (30:24):
I know, but I don't. I don't sit there and say, ooh,
I can't wait till nine to eleven. The no, So
I'll have to get Diane something. What was the second
series called.
Speaker 2 (30:36):
Well for You February seventeen. Everyone knows that I'm going
to figure out what the Dog Warriors version is.
Speaker 1 (30:43):
Do Notes do not? Either way, Shereeney says, to that
treat book series like American Express do not? Elliott do not.
You know who owns spark Notes? Wait, spark Notes.
Speaker 2 (30:57):
Yeah, we talked about that as being notes more modern
cliffs Notes.
Speaker 1 (31:01):
Leonard Riggio Barnes and Oval, are you serious, son of
a bitch?
Speaker 3 (31:05):
He owns everything.
To what Leonard Riggio is famous for. He is the
founder of Barnes and Nobles. Neither a Barnes nor a Noble, No,
not at all. As a matter of fact, he's not
even a b Dalton No. But he bought out b
Dalton I know as part of the Barnes and Noble family. Absolutely,
Barnes and Noble founder Leonard Riggio, who built a single
(00:23):
bookstore into a national powerhouse, died yesterday. I believe complications
from Alzheimer's is what he ended up dying from. He
opened his bookstore, his first bookstore in nineteen sixty five.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
Oh, I thought Barnes and Noble went way back before that.
Speaker 3 (00:44):
It did.
Speaker 1 (00:45):
Oh, he opened his first bookstore and it did so well.
Speaker 3 (00:49):
He bought Barnes and Noble.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
How many locations did Barnes and Noble have at the time, one?
Speaker 3 (00:55):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (00:55):
Okay, So that's why he's considered the father of what
we know of.
Speaker 1 (01:00):
Barnes and Noble. But but keep in mind he it
could have. I don't know what his bookstore was named.
Let's say it was called Uhriggio's right, he could have.
He could have kept the Riggio name and just bought
like he didn't keep the b Dalton name, but when
he bought Barnes and Noble, he switched over from Riggio's
and kept it as Barnes and Noble. Where was this.
Speaker 3 (01:26):
At Barnes and Noble.
Speaker 1 (01:28):
I feel like we should know where the original Barnes
and Noble was.
Speaker 3 (01:32):
I don't think it was.
Speaker 1 (01:33):
The one that I went to the most was in
seven Corners, And I don't think that is the original. No,
wasn't where no where? Where was the was? Don't say it, Please,
don't say it. Diane was the original Barnes and Noble
in Seattle? I thought it was New York.
Speaker 3 (01:52):
Where was Riggio from?
Speaker 4 (01:54):
He's from New York, born in Manhattan.
Speaker 3 (01:57):
Oh, then it has to New York.
Speaker 2 (01:59):
Could be seven Corners early years in Brooklyn, right, still
could be seven Corners.
Speaker 3 (02:03):
That's the one I went to the.
Speaker 1 (02:04):
Most, went to NYU. Right.
Speaker 4 (02:07):
Barnes and Noble founded in nineteen seventy one by Riggio
when he acquired the Barnes and Noble trade name and
bookstore in New York City.
Speaker 1 (02:14):
So was the first expansion must have been to seven Corners.
What was his store called? Does it say?
Speaker 3 (02:24):
I don't know the answer to that.
Speaker 1 (02:25):
Diane.
Speaker 4 (02:26):
Let's see, also founded their college booksellers.
Speaker 1 (02:31):
Right, No, I don't see that.
Speaker 3 (02:35):
Does Barnes and Nobles still exist?
Speaker 1 (02:37):
Yeah? Yes? Where where's there in Potomakyard?
Speaker 3 (02:41):
There's not a Barnes and Noble and Potomac Yard Where.
Speaker 4 (02:45):
Down closer to Total Wine there's.
Speaker 1 (02:48):
Barnes and Noble in there? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (02:49):
Is the one at seven Corners still open?
Speaker 1 (02:51):
That was?
Speaker 3 (02:51):
You know? That's the second location?
Speaker 2 (02:53):
I hope just for its legacy.
Speaker 3 (02:55):
I can't. I can't tell you the last time I
was in a Barnes and Noble's. So is it real?
But so did did Reggio die? Loaded?
Speaker 1 (03:03):
In my mind Barnes and Noble went out of business,
which is not the case. But there's no way they
do as well as they used to buy everything online?
You could read everything online. I don't like reading online.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
He started at NYU, the student Book Exchange as a
competitor to the official bookstore.
Speaker 3 (03:21):
Are you serious?
Speaker 1 (03:22):
You know the school.
Speaker 3 (03:24):
Hates him?
Speaker 1 (03:25):
So wait a minute, So to jack with NYU. He
started his own book exchange.
Speaker 2 (03:30):
And probably had a lot of the used books to
make the cost go down for the students.
Speaker 3 (03:37):
They're right about that. They hated him.
Speaker 1 (03:38):
No, statue of Leonard Riggio there.
Speaker 2 (03:40):
And isn't it funny how Barnes and Noble has now
gone into f college students. Yes, absolutely taking over bookstores.
Speaker 4 (03:47):
Yes, there's still a bunch around here and around Richmond.
Speaker 3 (03:51):
Are there really?
Speaker 1 (03:51):
Yeah? Wait, Christian, she mean the one right down the
street is still open.
Speaker 2 (03:54):
What are you thinking of Borders?
Speaker 1 (03:56):
No, Borders went out of business. Borders is gone. Dalton
is gone. B Dalton was the second largest book chain.
Speaker 3 (04:04):
No.
Speaker 1 (04:04):
I just thought they had all gone out of business. No, Like,
if you told me that it existed strictly as a
as an online store, then I would have said okay,
But no, I would I would have never guessed it's open.
Speaker 2 (04:18):
We just talked about the reopening, and yesterday keeps getting
pushed back of the Georgetown Barnes and Noble Halloween.
Speaker 1 (04:26):
The where was the did that Did the big one
in Bethesda reopen? There was that massive one in Bethesda
and that one shut down.
Speaker 3 (04:36):
I don't know if that reopened.
Speaker 1 (04:39):
Uh, they're considering returning, Okay, but they've been gone forever
twenty eighteen. Yeah, yeah, it's been gone. What is there
to consider now?
Speaker 2 (04:47):
It's like it's doing well Barnes and Noble. If all
these stores are reopening online?
Speaker 1 (04:54):
Uh?
Speaker 2 (04:55):
Didn't people like the cafe? Was that Riggio's idea?
Speaker 1 (04:58):
Like?
Speaker 2 (04:58):
Did he introduce all the ideas of like staying there
forever and eating lunch.
Speaker 1 (05:02):
There right and people not buying the books and just
sitting there and reading them?
Speaker 4 (05:07):
Increasing the magazines?
Speaker 1 (05:10):
What else do you do with the magazines at Barnes
and Noble taking right into the bathroom? Yeah? Absolutely never.
He used to do it all the time. I used
to read. I used to read the the what you.
Speaker 3 (05:20):
Call it.
Speaker 1 (05:22):
Fantasy draft magazines in the I can't buy.
Speaker 3 (05:25):
In the Barns And what do I need it for?
Speaker 1 (05:26):
I just got I sometimes would take a couple of pages.
Speaker 3 (05:28):
Out of them. Wait.
Speaker 2 (05:30):
He also founded game Stop. No way, that's what it
says here, are you serious? In addition to Barnes and Noble,
he founded the Barnes and Noble College Booksellers, NBS textbook
and video game company game Stop.
Speaker 3 (05:44):
That dude is smart, says.
Speaker 2 (05:47):
At the height of his operations, he was responsible for
five thousand retail stores nationwide Jesus Christ, employing more than
one hundred thousand people.
Speaker 1 (05:58):
You know what, good for him? Good for him game
stops still in business barely. Well, yeah, that one you
could have wondered more about. I think the but honestly
the and listen, I'm not anti reading, but the I
just I can't tell you the last time I went
into a Barnes and Noble.
Speaker 2 (06:14):
I just said yesterday that I wished my reading was
allowed for more pleasure because I couldn't think of a word,
and I blamed it on not reading enough for pleasure, right,
and my reading style being more work based and and
and at times more of a scam than it is
(06:34):
an actual read where I'm taking in all of the
words because I could not think of a synonym for
come to terms with right, it just sounded too clunky.
In the poem I was writing, the sorry when I
speak it's it's often referred to as poetic.
Speaker 1 (06:51):
Oh.
Speaker 2 (06:52):
So in conversation with my wife, I had to settle
for come to terms with I'll settle.
Speaker 1 (06:58):
Would have been a good one and I will not
read for pleasure though that would be a treasure.
Speaker 2 (07:06):
I told her, I wished that I could have read
more because we just had a friend man.
Speaker 1 (07:10):
Or a book I'm on a hunt.
Speaker 2 (07:12):
You had a friend mentioned to us she read forty
seven books this summer.
Speaker 1 (07:15):
That's amazing, this summer. That's amazing. That's amazing. But I
don't write it's very rare. Nah, can I say that?
Is it rare that I read for pleasure?
Speaker 4 (07:24):
The only time I do is on vacation.
Speaker 3 (07:26):
The no, you read books for here?
Speaker 1 (07:28):
If we have an author on pleasure, that's work. Yeah,
but I still enjoy reading the book.
Speaker 2 (07:33):
It's work.
Speaker 1 (07:34):
Yeah, there's a due date.
Speaker 4 (07:35):
The yeah, you're you're under a deadline.
Speaker 1 (07:38):
Do you finish books that you like? If you get
a book for the summer, do you do? Do you
complete it?
Speaker 4 (07:42):
I finished the one that I read over vacation.
Speaker 3 (07:44):
Do you finish every book you read?
Speaker 5 (07:46):
Now?
Speaker 1 (07:48):
So you're not one of those people that if you
if you if you buy the book.
Speaker 3 (07:52):
You you you you.
Speaker 1 (07:55):
Have to read a power through it, like if you
start it, you read it.
Speaker 4 (07:58):
No, there was like that Steve Jobs book took me
forever to finish. It was also like six hundred pages. Okay,
but did I do that?
Speaker 3 (08:05):
But you finished it?
Speaker 4 (08:06):
Yeah, but it took me a long long time.
Speaker 3 (08:08):
The but if you, if you start a book that
is set.
Speaker 4 (08:11):
I hate that because it was months between chapters.
Speaker 1 (08:14):
Sometimes you had to go back and pick up again.
Speaker 4 (08:18):
Well, you got to skim the prior.
Speaker 2 (08:20):
The Lindsay was just reading a book and she was
telling me every time she.
Speaker 1 (08:25):
Picked it up, I hate this book, but I have
to see how it ends. The was it a was
it a was it a like a like a fictional piece?
Speaker 3 (08:34):
Right? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (08:35):
No, But a lot of people are like that where
if you if you get a book for pleasure, if
you start it, you stop it or you don't stop it.
Excuse me right that you finish it, especially if you've
purchased it.
Speaker 2 (08:47):
The yeah, but I mean library, it's a lot easier
to set a book though.
Speaker 1 (08:52):
Yeah. The never done that. The when you were younger,
we never went to the library too poor the no,
just my parents wouldn't take it. What was mom coming
home from the hotel to take us to a library?
Speaker 3 (09:03):
Please? Uh am?
Speaker 1 (09:04):
I going to line too? Do you finish if you start?
Do you finish the last book I read? Yeah? I
finished it? The but did you dislike the book? Oh?
I liked it? No?
Speaker 2 (09:14):
No, but understand I can understand that drive to complete,
because then you you hope on the flip side that
it's going to get better.
Speaker 1 (09:23):
The yeah, or you feel like, oh, I'll glean something
from this, or I'm going to learn something from this
the right synonym the yeah exactly. And then I envy
people who will go, now I'm done with this.
Speaker 3 (09:39):
I can't read it. I'm done where I go soon though.
Speaker 4 (09:44):
Like a couple of chapters in and then you bail.
Speaker 3 (09:46):
Well, yeah, but how long are the chapter quarters of
the way in?
Speaker 2 (09:49):
And you're like, I don't need to complete this.
Speaker 3 (09:51):
One, are there?
Speaker 1 (09:53):
No, you wouldn't if you're If you're three quarters in,
you're going to finish. Okay, if you're three quarters in,
you're going to finish now. I do hate finishing a
book that was good for three quarters in and then
the last quarter sucks. I hate that. That pisses me off.
What was the book that I had that with was
a primal fear.
Speaker 2 (10:11):
But that's the benefit of Diane reading the ending.
Speaker 1 (10:13):
She knows not right to my last page, right to
the last page. Hi, elliot in the morning.
Speaker 5 (10:19):
Good morning, it's brain bleed.
Speaker 4 (10:21):
Blame bleed girl.
Speaker 1 (10:22):
Oh very good eight.
Speaker 3 (10:23):
Bear with me for one second, Christian, will you do
me a favor?
Speaker 1 (10:26):
Will you find me just a cause I don't need
like super readers or like a summer readers or anything.
Just people who read books that from time to time.
Like it doesn't have to be somebody who read forty
seven this summer. Just readers in general. Eight six six.
I don't care if you read one book over the summer.
I don't care if you read one book this year,
eight six six to Elliott eight six six two three
five five four six eight anyway, yes, ma'am back to you.
Speaker 5 (10:50):
Yeah, I have two Barnes and Nobles with them seven
minutes of me, and I'm actually going there later today
to get a one year old birthday present, because that's
where I get all kids presents from.
Speaker 1 (11:00):
The By the way, why do you get kids presents
from Barnes and Noble toy sex. They've got a great
toy section, did they really?
Speaker 5 (11:07):
Yeah, And it's also categorized. It's also categorized by like
preschool toddler children, so it makes everything really easy get.
Speaker 1 (11:20):
But also i'll get excuse me, I'll get pardon, I
will get no for If it's a kid that we
have to get something for, I get them.
Speaker 3 (11:27):
One of Meltzer's books.
Speaker 1 (11:28):
Yeah, Like I'll send Brad a text and go, hey
can you send me and then I will forward that along.
Speaker 2 (11:35):
I know Diane sold it by yelling out puzzles. But
Barnes and Noble, to your surprise, Barnes and Noble does
have a lot of dumb toys too, like they got Actually.
Speaker 1 (11:44):
They have a toys figure sections here.
Speaker 3 (11:46):
Are you serious? It's a bookstore.
Speaker 1 (11:49):
Well, they also sold drinks.
Speaker 4 (11:51):
There is a Starbucks cafe.
Speaker 1 (11:53):
Okay, that's why I could have something to drink. Well,
they do have it. It's a department store. Excuse me, ma'am.
The yeah, I had no idea, but it's been forever
since I've been to a Barnes and Noble.
Speaker 3 (12:02):
Hey, let me, ma'am.
Speaker 1 (12:03):
What was your name again?
Speaker 4 (12:06):
My name is Janine?
Speaker 3 (12:07):
Janine?
Speaker 1 (12:07):
How will you if you start a book, do you
finish it?
Speaker 4 (12:12):
I have a five months old and a two year old?
Speaker 1 (12:14):
Hell no, so no, so, but so you'll start a book.
I don't mean in one sitting. But if you you'll
start a book, and if you don't find it enjoyable,
you could just stop reading it.
Speaker 5 (12:26):
Uh huh, yeah, I mean that's happened a couple of times.
One of them was just intimidating.
Speaker 6 (12:32):
It was a seven hundred page book. I got to
like five hundred and then it got weird.
Speaker 1 (12:37):
I just stopped.
Speaker 3 (12:38):
Why do I feel guilty if I do that?
Speaker 4 (12:41):
If you bail on a book, Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (12:43):
I've invested so much time already.
Speaker 4 (12:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (12:45):
But even if i'm and listen, I know I'm a
slow thank you, thank you. Blame breed the I know
I'm a slow reader. Like I can't scan. I literally
have to read every single word or else I can't.
I can't get through the book. I'm not I'm not
a I'm I'm a very good reader. I'm not a
fast reader. I don't know that you would call me
(13:06):
a strong reader, but I'm great at reading. Okay, well no,
but it makes it sound like I can't read. It
was the most confusing because I don't want people to
think I'm illiterate. I know how to read and I'm
good at it. Wouldn't that be shocking your last day?
What a reveal? The No, No, I'm just I'm a
(13:28):
very slow reader. Because I do have to read every
single word. You can't fire me. I'm a literate. Oh
so I'm reading here that a lot of book not reviewers,
but people who post about books will tag some with DNF,
which we know, of course from motorsports, right, but it's
(13:50):
apparently a literary Uh, there's a literary usage as well
for the acronym. Wait, so like who, I can't even
know who's a book reviewer? No?
Speaker 2 (13:59):
No, this is this is and just reviewers? Yeah exactly.
Speaker 1 (14:03):
Oh oh so you don't mean like the New York
Times book review.
Speaker 2 (14:06):
No, no, anyone who's just posting about a book.
Speaker 1 (14:10):
And what do we know about New York Times book reviewers?
They don't even read the whole book. How many authors
have we talked to they were like, oh, crap, you
guys read the book. That's it. That's the radio shows,
the No. But even New York Times doesn't do it. Really, Yeah,
I've been told no, I've been told by writers the
uh melt her, No it wasn't Brad, the Vince flynnment,
(14:37):
the the oh.
Speaker 3 (14:39):
But I've never done that. I do feel guilty.
Speaker 1 (14:42):
Like this past summer, I read a book I can't
even remember the name of it, and I probably got
one hundred pages into it and it was so dry
I couldn't read it and I stopped, and it bothers
me to this day. This is interesting.
Speaker 2 (14:57):
Before dropping a book, you need to figure out what's
motive you to stop it was is the writing bad?
Or is the author experimenting in a creative way that
might push you as the reader?
Speaker 3 (15:09):
Oh I like that?
Speaker 1 (15:10):
No, this was just it was really dry and boring.
Not on me the No, No, it was it was bad.
It was bad.
Speaker 2 (15:17):
And if you hate something enough for to elicit this response,
it might be worth sticking with. Just better understand why.
Speaker 3 (15:23):
No, that's when you put it down.
Speaker 1 (15:26):
And I know brand for me would be like, if
you don't like it, just stop, Like what what are
you forcing yourself for? And they'll tell you. People don't
have a surplus of free time. So if you're if
you're reading a book you don't like, why keep reading it?
Speaker 2 (15:40):
From a teacher here, I love when a student comes
to class railing about an assigned reading. Getting them to
define why they feel so strongly and getting other students
to react to them is worthwhile for everyone. I hate
when teachers turn situations like that around.
Speaker 1 (15:57):
Oh, well, tell me why you didn't like it. I'll
tell you why Beowolf is boring.
Speaker 2 (16:03):
I would rather than power through and hate and have
big feelings than not read it all or be apathetic.
Speaker 3 (16:09):
Miss Aldridge was like.
Speaker 1 (16:10):
That that was my honors English or literature teacher. Drop
something in Aldridge. Nobody knows her honors the you know
who else had Miss Aldridge, Beyonce the But no, she
would do She would do that like if she were
like Elliott, what did you take of that chapter?
Speaker 3 (16:31):
And I was like, oh.
Speaker 1 (16:32):
God, and She's like, well, tell me why you didn't
like it. I was like, all quiet on the Western
Front is boring. But she would she'd nail you like
she she'd go in hard Emily from DC.
Speaker 2 (16:44):
I'm going to give the very unpopular opinion that you
should finish books you don't enjoy. I can name books
whose entire thesis or point I wholeheartedly disagreed with.
Speaker 1 (16:55):
But have loved see well whoa. I'm not going to
use the L word, but I'm with her. I do
I feel horribly guilty if I don't finish a book.
Speaker 3 (17:04):
You know why?
Speaker 1 (17:04):
Because I feel like I feel like I'm a quitter.
Speaker 3 (17:09):
And I'm not.
Speaker 4 (17:10):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (17:11):
But at the same time, if I ordered something to
eat and I didn't like it, I wouldn't need it.
Right if I turn on if I if I turn
on a movie at home in a theater, I'll sit
through anything that's not true. I did walk out of
Benicio del Toro's movie.
Speaker 3 (17:29):
I literally moved his legs so I could walk out.
Speaker 1 (17:32):
You were going to be called out for that if
you didn't mention the But like I, if I go
see a movie like with Jackie or something, even if
I don't like it, I'm not leaving. Oh.
Speaker 2 (17:43):
Then there's these people who feel like they cannot honestly
critique a work with full authority until they read the
whole thing.
Speaker 1 (17:52):
That's I'll give them that. I'll give him that.
Speaker 2 (17:54):
It's not fair to comment until you've hated.
Speaker 1 (17:59):
All of it, absolute absolutely, Where am I going?
Speaker 3 (18:02):
And there's so Listen, I've read books.
Speaker 1 (18:04):
None of them come to mind by name, but the
where like the first half could not be more horrible
and dry and boring, And then all of a sudden
that picks up, like chapter thirty three picks up, and
you're like, oh my god, this is all free. The
I enjoy a long read. And by the way, a
long book should not be intimidating.
Speaker 3 (18:21):
It's just word. It's just more words.
Speaker 1 (18:24):
A time is a luxury. Yeah, you know what you
know what's in.
Speaker 3 (18:28):
Well, two things are intimidating to me. With reading. I
can't read multiple books at a time now.
Speaker 1 (18:33):
I hate that. The I can't juggle back and forth.
And I'm like, I could watch multiple TV shows at
a time. I could watch multiple baseball games or hockey
games at a time and able to keep up with
what's going on on both.
Speaker 3 (18:44):
Yeah, can't do that with a book.
Speaker 4 (18:45):
Yeah, the duel or two or three books is like
makes me feel scattered.
Speaker 1 (18:50):
Don't and don't give me a lot of characters. So
that's a lot of people to remember.
Speaker 4 (18:54):
Yeah, if they're if they're on the fringe, I don't
even know about them.
Speaker 1 (18:57):
And if you are using old school literature, you are
not getting into.
Speaker 3 (19:01):
These new school eyes.
Speaker 1 (19:03):
Like I can't not anything that ends in if or
to sayth or something. I'll be honest, never read Shakespeare. Nope,
where am I going?
Speaker 3 (19:15):
Line seven?
Speaker 1 (19:16):
Hi, yellie in the morning, sixty eight sixty nine, there
we go, Yes, sir, good morning.
Speaker 6 (19:25):
I fairly read e books. I remember a high school
I had a book report on Fahrenheit for fifty one
and that is literally the only book report.
Speaker 3 (19:34):
That I ever did in school. Are you serious? Ember?
I never. I never did.
Speaker 6 (19:38):
On my my I would bribe my teachers to pass
me with just ad, just the past.
Speaker 1 (19:44):
Whatever, because you wouldn't read. Let me ask you that,
where are by the way, where'd you go to school?
Where are you calling me from? I am in a
Oh damn it, you cut out?
Speaker 3 (19:55):
Where are you?
Speaker 1 (19:57):
I'm in Ohio?
Speaker 3 (19:58):
Oh okay, I went to school in oklah.
Speaker 1 (20:01):
Because I don't remember Fahrenheit four fifty one being assigned reading. Hey,
what now as an adult? As an adult, do you
read it all? No, that's the last book you read?
Speaker 6 (20:13):
Yeah, hardly, hardly.
Speaker 1 (20:14):
Ever, I'll pick up four Fahrenheit four fifty one every
now and then.
Speaker 6 (20:18):
My wife, she's the she's the reader. We got a
huge bookcase full of books. I swear she buys like
fifty books a year.
Speaker 2 (20:26):
Hey, you got to challenge him to tell you? Why
the turn it on him?
Speaker 1 (20:30):
Why the script? Why don't you why didn't Why don't
you enjoy reading? Yeah?
Speaker 6 (20:36):
I just I find it very boring.
Speaker 1 (20:38):
You're reading the wrong book.
Speaker 6 (20:39):
Rather watch a movie.
Speaker 1 (20:42):
Now we're on the same page. Don't assign me, don't
tell me I have to read The Great Gatsby. I
can watch that. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (20:50):
Oh, miss Watch. That was exactly Miss.
Speaker 1 (20:53):
Aldridge made us do that, and then she was like,
when it's over, then we'll watch the movie. I was like,
oh my god, Notes City, let's see if we could
pick out the differences.
Speaker 3 (21:04):
Well I can't. One's a book, one's a TV show.
Speaker 4 (21:06):
How many hours of life wasted?
Speaker 1 (21:11):
That's Cliff's story. Yeah, where did that come out? As geo? Like?
Who founded that?
Speaker 3 (21:17):
I used to know the answer to that.
Speaker 2 (21:18):
Remember the shelves of yellow and blackness notes?
Speaker 1 (21:22):
Well don't they sell that at Barnes and Noble.
Speaker 2 (21:24):
Well, now aren't there spark notes? That's I feel like
that came into play later in my.
Speaker 1 (21:29):
Academic really yea, yeah, I don't know what Cliff was like.
Speaker 2 (21:33):
Do kids know what cliffs notes are?
Speaker 3 (21:35):
Yes?
Speaker 2 (21:36):
So that's still a thing now, don't know. I feel
that the internet has sort of taken over for some
recent books.
Speaker 4 (21:44):
There's spark notes, lit charts, and grade Saver.
Speaker 2 (21:49):
Clifton Hilligas nineteen fifty eight in Nebraska, I was working
at Nebraska Book Company, published a series of study guides
and then continued on with the business.
Speaker 1 (22:02):
So it was originally a study guy, so it was
almost like a quiz lit.
Speaker 2 (22:06):
Isn't how they kind of pitched it to us in
modern times as a study guide. It's not how I
used to be on top, Like you don't read this
instead of the book I did.
Speaker 1 (22:17):
That's what they were. I don't know what they pitched
it as. I know what I used it as. And
then they and but you'd get miss Aldridge. They started
with sixteen Shakespeare titles, Oh God, Macbeth, Garden of Something
or other nineteen sixty four. Sales reached one million annually.
(22:38):
I believe that. Hi, Elliott the Morning, four five six.
What can I do for you, sir, Ay Elliott? It's
Frank from Atlanta.
Speaker 3 (22:51):
Yes, sir, you don't read.
Speaker 1 (22:54):
I read better than talk.
Speaker 3 (23:01):
You couldn't read.
Speaker 1 (23:02):
Worse, no man.
Speaker 3 (23:13):
Anyway, Yes, sir, yes sir.
Speaker 1 (23:16):
How about books that start slow but then they pick up.
Speaker 3 (23:20):
That's a nice treat. That is a nice treat.
Speaker 1 (23:22):
Like I said, they're like sometimes you find a book
where you get halfway through and all of a sudden,
chapter thirty three, it picks up, and that is that's
a great treat. Are you let me ask you this though?
Are you are you? Are you of the mindset of
if you start it, you finish it or are you
able to just like dump it after like a hundred pages? Ah,
(23:43):
I gotta finsh it. Yeah. See, I'm with you. I'm
with you where you feel like I started? Is there
a thank you? Thank you my friend? But is there
is there a consensus of like you should give a
book a chance one hundred pages fifty pages? Like for example,
if you walked into a movie or you started a
movie that you didn't like, you wouldn't just get through
(24:04):
the opening credits and be done, like you give it
x amount of time in searching for it.
Speaker 2 (24:10):
A lot of the talk goes back to libraries and
saying you'll feel less guilty and it will push you
to explore new authors, new genres, new styles of writing.
If you stop, if you're using a library.
Speaker 1 (24:24):
Right, so I don't like this one, Let me get
something else, So you move on from something you don't
like in hopes of finding something you do like.
Speaker 2 (24:32):
This is from the Atlantic. Personal awareness and the ability
to keep an open mind in the future go a
lot further toward making you a good reader than trudging
through every book.
Speaker 1 (24:42):
You know what, that's a great positive spin. No, I
mean it really is. I mean what they don't want
you to do is put it down and go all
books are stupid, of course, no, no, but I've been there.
I know a guy who read Fahrenheit four fifty one
and that was it. But no, but you know what,
that is a positive been for somebody who feels like, no,
I got to trudge through this? Why why not? Why not?
(25:06):
Why not put down something you don't like, give it
a fair chance. But then maybe maybe you find out
you don't like biographies that you like fiction or nonfiction.
Speaker 2 (25:16):
But that's something you can apply to a lot of
different aspects of my food, music. I mean, most cultural
dating entities are a part of a larger umbrella.
Speaker 1 (25:29):
Yeah, dating.
Speaker 2 (25:32):
A dating So you mean like the people that you're seeing.
Speaker 1 (25:35):
Yeah, oh okay, Yeah, well.
Speaker 3 (25:37):
I tried this. Don't like redheads? Let me go find
a brunette or something.
Speaker 1 (25:40):
No, I mean, I'm being serious. You can apply it
to anything unless there's only one of them. Hi, Elliott
in the morning.
Speaker 3 (25:50):
Three four five six, who's this, Katie? Yes, Katie?
Speaker 1 (25:55):
And where are you calling me from?
Speaker 6 (25:57):
I'm calling you from Jessic, Maryland.
Speaker 1 (25:59):
Very good, and you're calling me with something important.
Speaker 6 (26:03):
Yeah. So I'm a frequent Flyer of Barnes and Noble.
I've been to them probably between forty and fifty times
this year. It was just there on Monday. I've read
seventy books since January.
Speaker 1 (26:18):
Wow, good for you. Any DNFs? Oh great question, Tyler.
Any DNFs?
Speaker 6 (26:24):
I don't think so.
Speaker 1 (26:26):
All fiction all nonfiction.
Speaker 3 (26:28):
Do you like to mix it up a little bit?
Speaker 6 (26:31):
All fiction, all same series?
Speaker 1 (26:34):
Oh okay, are you like one of those Abba girl
girls or like Colleen Hoover girls. Oh no, what do
you mean.
Speaker 6 (26:45):
No, I'm not one of those. What is John, I'm
not out here reading them. What is middle aged women reading?
Speaker 3 (26:54):
Oh you're an anime person.
Speaker 6 (26:56):
No, other actual like book books. They're not.
Speaker 1 (26:59):
What's what?
Speaker 3 (27:01):
What's the series?
Speaker 6 (27:02):
It's Warrior Cats. They're all about cats.
Speaker 1 (27:05):
Oh, dear god, you should have said Colleen Hoover.
Speaker 6 (27:09):
Oh my god. No, it's better than Colleen Hoover.
Speaker 1 (27:12):
You're reading a series of books about cats.
Speaker 4 (27:15):
As I know about these, I've never heard of Warrior Cats.
Speaker 6 (27:20):
Oh it's so good. Oh my gosh, is.
Speaker 3 (27:22):
It like is it like we're cats that protect the city?
Speaker 4 (27:27):
Warriors is a series of novels based on the adventures
and drama of multiple clans of feral cats in fictional forests,
and you read seventy of those this year.
Speaker 6 (27:40):
Yeah, I just picked up picked up my eighties yesterday.
Speaker 3 (27:43):
You're eightieth.
Speaker 2 (27:44):
How many are there?
Speaker 6 (27:47):
Well, you have the main series that are arcs, and
they have six each, and then you have the super editions,
and then there are a couple of mangos, and then
there are novellas which are about one hundred pages each,
but they're put into collections of three. I've read all
of them.
Speaker 1 (28:02):
I know what you didn't do this year? What celebrate
an anniversary?
Speaker 6 (28:09):
I'm only twenty four.
Speaker 1 (28:11):
Oh okay, yeah, I'm not even married. Is this on
the honest question?
Speaker 3 (28:18):
Would I like these books?
Speaker 6 (28:20):
No?
Speaker 4 (28:21):
No, you can't even can't you haven't read like you're
going to sit down and read a series of books
around feral cats.
Speaker 1 (28:31):
Maybe I just want to read one of the arts.
Speaker 2 (28:33):
She mentioned manga The.
Speaker 1 (28:36):
Couple Hate the Yes, I don't think.
Speaker 6 (28:40):
I don't think Elliott would like it per se, but
I do think Diane might like it.
Speaker 1 (28:43):
Money's trying to put Diane spent an hour yesterday trying
to convince me that we should do a show trip
to the American Museum of the house Cat. Oh my gosh,
I know also loser birthday two weeks away.
Speaker 6 (29:00):
That sounds like fun.
Speaker 1 (29:01):
Oh Tyler, great call. I'm ording right now on Amazon.
I was worried I didn't have a good gift. This
yere Okay, you want to go have these? You get
forty and I'll get forty.
Speaker 6 (29:16):
Yes, I've been hey, I've been averaging about eleven a month.
Speaker 1 (29:19):
Oh my god, that's all you know. What?
Speaker 3 (29:22):
Good on you though.
Speaker 1 (29:22):
That's your thing.
Speaker 3 (29:23):
That's your thing.
Speaker 1 (29:24):
Whitchbox set start with the manga, so.
Speaker 6 (29:27):
You're gonna want to start with the prophecies begins perfect.
Speaker 1 (29:30):
That's why right here? Oh my god, great, it's less
than thirty bucks. The uh well, for each of us,
it's less than fifteen the all right, very good. I
like you, I do. I like you a lot.
Speaker 6 (29:47):
Thank you. I've been listening. I've been. I listened most
warnings because I drive from jessup down to DC. I listen.
I just can't call it.
Speaker 1 (29:53):
The no no, well because we haven't talked book series.
Uh no, but that's great.
Speaker 3 (29:58):
I love you. I love you, all right, Thank you, ma'am,
thank you.
Speaker 2 (30:01):
Yes to this set of the very first books in
the series will be a welcome gift for readers new.
Speaker 1 (30:08):
Oh, Diane, I'm so happy. I just the other day
was worried that I didn't have a good be Day gift.
By the way, can I be completely honest with you,
totally forgot Diane's birthday was coming up until right now.
Speaker 4 (30:23):
It's September eleventh.
Speaker 1 (30:24):
I know, but I don't. I don't sit there and say, ooh,
I can't wait till nine to eleven. The no, So
I'll have to get Diane something. What was the second
series called.
Speaker 2 (30:36):
Well for You February seventeen. Everyone knows that I'm going
to figure out what the Dog Warriors version is.
Speaker 1 (30:43):
Do Notes do not? Either way, Shereeney says, to that
treat book series like American Express do not? Elliott do not.
You know who owns spark Notes? Wait, spark Notes.
Speaker 2 (30:57):
Yeah, we talked about that as being notes more modern
cliffs Notes.
Speaker 1 (31:01):
Leonard Riggio Barnes and Oval, are you serious, son of
a bitch?
Speaker 3 (31:05):
He owns everything.
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