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Speaker 1 (00:00):
I needed some people who are all hips a CPR.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
Hi Ellie in the morning, Elli ed, Hey, who's this?
Speaker 3 (00:10):
Sam Watkins?
Speaker 2 (00:11):
Hey? Sam, where are you call me from?
Speaker 3 (00:14):
Excellent Virginia?
Speaker 2 (00:15):
Excellent, excellent. Hey, question for you, CPR.
Speaker 1 (00:18):
You've taken the class, You're familiar with the class, whatever,
whatever the case is.
Speaker 3 (00:23):
I've had it for probably thirty plus years, and the
last time I used it was four years ago. On
my brother.
Speaker 1 (00:31):
Wait a minute, you've administered CPR, Yes, sir, on my brother.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
Oh my god, was not expecting that. I'll ask you.
Did everything go okay?
Speaker 3 (00:45):
Well, apparently, according to the hospital, if I didn't do it,
he probably would not have made it.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
So he made it.
Speaker 3 (00:55):
He did. He He actually lived two more years and
had to go into hostage care and we had him
in hostice care because of COVID at my house.
Speaker 1 (01:04):
Oh wow, But you know what dude, I mean, listen,
I don't want to let's not focus on the negative.
Speaker 2 (01:08):
Good for you, though you saved your brother's life.
Speaker 3 (01:12):
It was it was the most horrific thing I've ever
probably had to do. I mean, it's like, you keep
your composure, which I did up until they got him
in the resty squad. Right, I've told folks I needed
a minute, I'll walk around the back of the house
and cried.
Speaker 1 (01:31):
Oh, I'm sure I'm trying. I would probably cry while
I was doing it. Now, yeah, I mean, you're probably right.
You probably had time you're in it.
Speaker 4 (01:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (01:40):
Well, the funniest thing was is before when he fell out.
It was weird because he walked downstairs so that he
wasn't feeling well, fell out in the kitchen floor, and
he was still kind of like it's they call it
like agonal breathing. It's almost just kind of like when
you take a fish out of water, right, And I
kind of like freaked out a little bit, and I
(02:03):
kind of ran out of ideas. So I smacked the
crap out of him three or four times and then
started doing CPR. And after they got him the hospital
and he came to and stuff like that, he was like, yeah,
I feel fine, except my face hurts. And I was like,
you know, I was like, I was like, I was like, bro,
(02:24):
that's not bad. I kind of lost. I lost tracked
a little bit, So I may have slapped the crap
out of you, but yeah.
Speaker 2 (02:30):
You know what, good for you?
Speaker 1 (02:31):
And did you take you obviously had taken a CPR
class previously to that through.
Speaker 3 (02:37):
Through the rescue squad because I was in the fire
department with Ashland Company one gotcha, and also a police
officer for twelve and a half years.
Speaker 2 (02:45):
Excellent, excellent.
Speaker 3 (02:47):
I've spoken to you many times.
Speaker 2 (02:48):
Oh, very good. I appreciate it. Thank you, my friend.
Speaker 1 (02:51):
If you're if you're a firefighter or EMS or maybe
even a police officer. I know not every one of them,
if has had to do it. Is there a good
percentage of them that have or is it like a
firefighter that never delivers a baby?
Speaker 5 (03:05):
I bet CPR is a lot high.
Speaker 1 (03:08):
Yeah, but I'm also but I wouldn't go out and say,
well every one of them has had to do it.
Speaker 5 (03:13):
No, no, no, that majority? Yeah o ooh to what
just being.
Speaker 2 (03:21):
Well, yes, I couldn't imagine being I couldn't imagine having
to do that for somebody.
Speaker 5 (03:25):
Oh I know I'm here first, I roll up slowly
and hope another car is coming.
Speaker 2 (03:35):
Big problem though, in the CPR world.
Speaker 1 (03:39):
Lyne too, Hi Elliott the morning, Hey Elliott to now,
how are you?
Speaker 2 (03:44):
Hey? I'm doing great CPR.
Speaker 6 (03:48):
Yeah, yeah, I'm a nurse. I actually just did my
a CLS Tuesday a dance party if support.
Speaker 3 (03:53):
Wait, you just did what by ACLS course?
Speaker 2 (03:58):
Okay?
Speaker 4 (03:58):
You know I'm not a doctor, right she said, Advanced
Cardiac Life.
Speaker 1 (04:02):
Okay, but this is like talking to my mom where
it's like she'll use all of like the inside jargon
from TJ Max and I'm like, I don't work there.
Speaker 2 (04:10):
I have no idea. Hey, let me ask you this.
Speaker 1 (04:12):
When you when you take that course, do they give
you a mannequin that you have to that you have
to practice on?
Speaker 6 (04:19):
Oh yeah yeah, and they're all like computerized. They tell
you about your your compression, so they passed enough, flow, enough,
deep enough, all kinds of stuff.
Speaker 1 (04:28):
The No, No, And that's great, you know what I mean?
It should be in depth question the the the the mannequin.
Speaker 2 (04:35):
What does it look like?
Speaker 7 (04:37):
Uh?
Speaker 6 (04:38):
It's just a half man can usually the top half
usually a man neutral and not a lot of not
a lot.
Speaker 2 (04:46):
Of features, right, and that's a problem.
Speaker 6 (04:50):
Hey though, listen, that was a hard act. I just
had to follow with the d that cprst brother.
Speaker 2 (04:55):
Have you see pr anybody?
Speaker 6 (04:57):
Unfortunately? Yeah, here you go. I was dating fell out
in my bed. I went to wake him up, and
I cprtic and unfortunately he didn't make it.
Speaker 1 (05:07):
Oh my god, oh my god, not even know, my
godding that he didn't make it.
Speaker 2 (05:15):
I just can't.
Speaker 1 (05:16):
You were dating the guy, yep?
Speaker 2 (05:20):
Can I ask you this? Que Were you were you
and not?
Speaker 1 (05:23):
I'm not asking about sex, but were you guys? Were
you guys naked when this happened?
Speaker 6 (05:29):
No? No, you taking the nap. But I was doing
fast balloons for my kids.
Speaker 2 (05:35):
Oh my god.
Speaker 5 (05:37):
By the way, by the way, classic storytopper move.
Speaker 2 (05:41):
She set us up, she set us up.
Speaker 5 (05:45):
To follow. I think it's going to be difficulty.
Speaker 2 (05:49):
That's amazing. And he died right there in the room.
Oh my god. Anyway, hey, I appreciate it. Thank you, ma'am.
Thank you.
Speaker 5 (05:57):
Now you asked specifically about the mannequins.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
Yeah, so there's a big problem with mannequins. They all
look alike, right, which.
Speaker 2 (06:05):
Is fine, Yeah, right, they would for a little bit.
There's no mannequins with boobs.
Speaker 4 (06:14):
Oh, and they need to make sure that you, I guess,
adjust your compressions accordingly or.
Speaker 2 (06:20):
Well, oh that's good.
Speaker 3 (06:21):
Diane.
Speaker 1 (06:22):
Tell me, what is the difference between giving CPR to
a man and giving CPR to a woman.
Speaker 4 (06:28):
Well, you said boobs, right, I've I mean, my my
sole experience with it goes to a little baby doll.
Speaker 3 (06:37):
Right.
Speaker 4 (06:38):
And then back in high school, which was on the
you know, the half mannequin.
Speaker 2 (06:42):
Right, exactly exactly, And that was high school.
Speaker 1 (06:45):
But now we're adults, so now there's a there's a
there's two people have fallen out, a man and a woman, right,
and you have to do CPR to both of them.
Speaker 3 (06:55):
Right?
Speaker 2 (06:56):
Is one different than the other? Like are you doing
something different.
Speaker 4 (06:58):
Putting the butt of your hand on the sternum? Right?
Speaker 2 (07:01):
Okay, Well, I'm asking you.
Speaker 5 (07:03):
This seems like a trick question. Yes, there's no difference.
Speaker 2 (07:06):
I bet is that right?
Speaker 4 (07:08):
Dan, Well, there's a reason why there's controversy about it.
Speaker 3 (07:13):
Right.
Speaker 2 (07:13):
The answer is there's absolutely no difference.
Speaker 4 (07:15):
Okay, and then what's the problem.
Speaker 5 (07:16):
Well, the problem was he was trying to trick us.
Speaker 1 (07:18):
No, no, no, no, no, no no no, because like
maybe you would think, like, oh, do I need to
remove the bra?
Speaker 3 (07:25):
No?
Speaker 1 (07:25):
I would say no, Okay, Well no the answer is no,
but you may not know that. So they've gone through
and they've done a bunch of research and they found
out if somebody has a heart attack. If it's a guy,
the odds of somebody helping are much higher than if
it's a woman. And they say why because they're uncomfortable
(07:48):
because they don't know what they're supposed to do if
they're supposed to do something different, because every mannikin has
no boobs.
Speaker 5 (07:57):
So this isn't even about technique. This is about thinking
about applying Yes, the technique.
Speaker 1 (08:03):
They're like, I don't know what to do, and they
think back to what did you learn? And you learned
on a flat chested and I don't even want to
say gender neutral, like that doesn't matter. There's no boobs,
and so people are like, oh crap, I don't know
what I'm supposed to do. I don't know, I don't
I don't know. Do I do the same thing like
I did on that man mannequin that I did? They
(08:25):
have no clue, and they said that the success rate
of a man having a heart attack is much higher
because people will jump in right away and go, I
know what to do. A woman goes down and they're like,
by the way, you know where they did the same
problem now this one.
Speaker 2 (08:45):
There is a little bit of nuance to battles. If
somebody has an.
Speaker 4 (08:49):
Add plus them.
Speaker 1 (08:51):
Yes, because well that that starts to get into boob
size and stuff like that.
Speaker 2 (08:56):
But for the most part, you're good to roll.
Speaker 5 (08:58):
I know he said boobs as like a creep.
Speaker 2 (09:01):
No, I didn't. How did I say some boobe size?
I said that in a loving way.
Speaker 5 (09:06):
But it does say here breast may influence how defibrillator
pads are applied, especially if there are breast implants or larger.
Speaker 2 (09:14):
Breasts, larger bosoms.
Speaker 5 (09:16):
Yeah, there's the way you said that were too.
Speaker 2 (09:18):
I'm saying it like everybody else does boobs.
Speaker 5 (09:21):
But what you said first about women who go into
cardiac arrest in public are less likely than men to
receive chess compressions from by sinners as people are quote
worried about touching breasts. Wow, that's horrible.
Speaker 2 (09:37):
I'm not.
Speaker 3 (09:39):
So.
Speaker 5 (09:39):
When you're confronted with a bra, breast or something different,
you don't react differently in a real life emergency. No,
then you're you stand alone.
Speaker 2 (09:49):
Yeah, I don't even notice it.
Speaker 1 (09:51):
Okay, now my palm is pushed down into the sternum
my fingers on the other.
Speaker 2 (10:03):
But no, but that but that's real life.
Speaker 5 (10:05):
Absolutely, this is a a study that I'll believe is
peer reviewed.
Speaker 1 (10:11):
So they're saying that by not having boobs on the mannequins,
or the ability to put boobs so that when you're
going through training, they put them on, they take them off,
they put them on, they take them off, that it's
not in the moment, you're still getting trained, you still
know what to do, but in practice.
Speaker 4 (10:31):
It's not completely foreign exactly exactly.
Speaker 3 (10:35):
Now.
Speaker 1 (10:35):
They did say there's some administrators who will go out
and find like fake boobies, like like.
Speaker 2 (10:41):
I don't I don't know, I don't know what, I
don't know what it. What it is. It's like almost
like a smock that has.
Speaker 4 (10:46):
That you lay on top.
Speaker 5 (10:47):
The researchers referred to it as a chest plate.
Speaker 1 (10:51):
Okay, that doesn't sound fun, but but tell me about
your smock.
Speaker 2 (10:58):
They put the smock thing on it and it's got
clubs and that way.
Speaker 1 (11:02):
That way that there's you're trained on both on both
exactly exactly, And that's all we're trying to get to.
Speaker 5 (11:09):
Now, some people are saying that they have worked with
mannequins that do have breasts, But I believe what you're
trying to get at is people need in every training
scenario need to experience both.
Speaker 1 (11:21):
Of the twenty different mannequins that were studied, researchers found
all of them had flat torsos only one model. One
model had a breast overlay. Eight were identified as male.
Seven had no gender specification. So like, like, remember back
in the day they had Resussa Annie.
Speaker 2 (11:40):
Yeah, what was that? But there wasn't there recessa was
it recessa Adam?
Speaker 4 (11:43):
There was Recessa Annie, and then that's who we used.
But wasn't there just Manny Manny the mannequin?
Speaker 1 (11:50):
Was it really was Manny my chest compression guy? I
just remember there wasn't a fun like Ressa Andy.
Speaker 3 (11:59):
No.
Speaker 4 (11:59):
I think like rawdy raggedy ann and Andy.
Speaker 2 (12:01):
No, I'm definitely not.
Speaker 4 (12:04):
But I remember you go you said, Manny Manny, are
you okay? Someone go for help Manny man or you okay?
Don't you remember that they taught you that that I
remember from high school?
Speaker 2 (12:14):
Are you serious?
Speaker 3 (12:15):
Yes?
Speaker 4 (12:15):
One more time, Manny Manny, because you're like Friday, You're
trying to like rouse the person. Manny Manny Manny, are
you okay? Manny many are you okay? Someone go for help?
Manny Manny? Are you okay?
Speaker 2 (12:29):
So I have to aask three times before I start chess.
Speaker 3 (12:31):
For now.
Speaker 2 (12:32):
I do remember them saying that when you.
Speaker 4 (12:33):
Cause, I mean, I guess you want to make sure
that they're not just sleeping.
Speaker 1 (12:36):
Right, No, no, I get that, no, no, but they
I do remember them saying that, like you you give
people like you like they say, you point at them, you.
Speaker 4 (12:44):
You call it's not just people not doing.
Speaker 1 (12:47):
You help me with this chest overlay? You no like,
but you're supposed to point out direction, right, I don't
remember the manny manny are you okay?
Speaker 4 (12:55):
Definitely remember that from high school.
Speaker 5 (12:57):
But I'm also looking at the torso Oversessa Ann who
came out in nineteen sixty. What is the average cup
size now of an American woman? Like a bigger, bigger,
I mean Elliott's got bigger tits than it. The situation
called for it did, just like this.
Speaker 2 (13:19):
Woman needs CPR.
Speaker 5 (13:20):
Somebody who's not a concerned be confronted with a bro.
Speaker 2 (13:25):
Minor bigger, minor bigger.
Speaker 5 (13:27):
But do you see, Diane, do you see the picture?
Speaker 4 (13:29):
Yes, by the way I get run, that's maybe a
B cup.
Speaker 1 (13:33):
Maybe maybe she's in the committee.
Speaker 4 (13:38):
Well she is laying down, Dian.
Speaker 2 (13:39):
Can I ask you this.
Speaker 4 (13:42):
Give her some grace.
Speaker 2 (13:44):
Let me ask you this.
Speaker 1 (13:45):
If you came across somebody and you had to give
him CPR as you were shaking.
Speaker 2 (13:49):
Them, would you say, Manny, Manny, are you okay?
Speaker 4 (13:52):
I probably would because I don't know what their name is,
because they're a stranger. Even if it were men, muscle
memory is hard to get away from.
Speaker 5 (14:05):
Oh great, Diane thinks the song that you're supposed to
do to a smooth criminal.
Speaker 2 (14:13):
Line one, Hi, Elliet in the morning.
Speaker 7 (14:17):
Hey, good morning.
Speaker 2 (14:17):
Hey, who's this?
Speaker 3 (14:19):
This is Steve?
Speaker 2 (14:20):
Hey, Steve, what's going on? Dude?
Speaker 7 (14:23):
So I want to add a little bit more to
the controversy here, So let me be upfront.
Speaker 3 (14:27):
Two.
Speaker 7 (14:27):
I used to be an EMT. I've done c Pierre
several times. However, I do not have any traumatic stories,
so I'm not going to top the last two callers.
Speaker 2 (14:35):
No, you're not.
Speaker 3 (14:37):
Why not?
Speaker 7 (14:38):
But in addition to and I've been in the class
probably five or six times in the last fifteen years.
Never seen a female a but be the rescue Randy
mannequin that I've always heard. Right, it's always like, you
know the equivalent of an in shape male, you know,
early barrel chested per Those are not people that are
(15:01):
having CPR, like I've probably done it ten or twelve times.
They're usually two three hundred pounds male or female. Like,
it's not realistic at all. So I totally agree. I
think that the social aspect is a little bit different.
But again, if your training is what you're doing, you're
not doing CPR and people that are, you know, in
perfect shape.
Speaker 2 (15:20):
By the way, Tyler just pulled up Randy. I would
kill for Randy's body a Greek god, Yeah, I would
kill like that guy, honestly, just he's a swimmer. He
just got out of the pool. That's ridiculous.
Speaker 7 (15:30):
Yeah, Randy, Randy is not dropping dead on the floor.
Speaker 2 (15:33):
And give me like that's who it is. Hey, can
I can I ask you this? Though?
Speaker 1 (15:41):
You said you said you've administered and I understand that's
your job, right, but you've administeredr CPR a dozen.
Speaker 7 (15:48):
Times, probably about tent or twelve.
Speaker 1 (15:52):
Yeah, I can't even imagine that, is it? The answer
has to be yes, But it's got to be unbelievably
intense and I don't want to say chaotic because you're
in control, but it's got to feel like freaking mayhem.
Speaker 2 (16:06):
When that's going on.
Speaker 7 (16:10):
Yeah, absolutely, and again you can nothing prepares you for
that after you've done it once twice. Of course, it's
always extremely intense, and depending on the scenario, if there's
family around, even more intense. But yeah, nothing can prepare
you for that first time for sure.
Speaker 1 (16:27):
Yeah, because I'm just gonna say, like, it's not like
we're in a class and everybody's gathered around. There's people yelling,
there's people screaming, there's people crying, there's people worried, there's
people upset.
Speaker 2 (16:36):
God knows what was going on.
Speaker 1 (16:37):
There could be there could be it'll be a car accident,
there could be all kinds of crap going on.
Speaker 7 (16:43):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (16:43):
Absolutely, Wow, that's nuts. And then Diane's still the hey
manny Manny
I needed some people who are all hips a CPR.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
Hi Ellie in the morning, Elli ed, Hey, who's this?
Speaker 3 (00:10):
Sam Watkins?
Speaker 2 (00:11):
Hey? Sam, where are you call me from?
Speaker 3 (00:14):
Excellent Virginia?
Speaker 2 (00:15):
Excellent, excellent. Hey, question for you, CPR.
Speaker 1 (00:18):
You've taken the class, You're familiar with the class, whatever,
whatever the case is.
Speaker 3 (00:23):
I've had it for probably thirty plus years, and the
last time I used it was four years ago. On
my brother.
Speaker 1 (00:31):
Wait a minute, you've administered CPR, Yes, sir, on my brother.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
Oh my god, was not expecting that. I'll ask you.
Did everything go okay?
Speaker 3 (00:45):
Well, apparently, according to the hospital, if I didn't do it,
he probably would not have made it.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
So he made it.
Speaker 3 (00:55):
He did. He He actually lived two more years and
had to go into hostage care and we had him
in hostice care because of COVID at my house.
Speaker 1 (01:04):
Oh wow, But you know what dude, I mean, listen,
I don't want to let's not focus on the negative.
Speaker 2 (01:08):
Good for you, though you saved your brother's life.
Speaker 3 (01:12):
It was it was the most horrific thing I've ever
probably had to do. I mean, it's like, you keep
your composure, which I did up until they got him
in the resty squad. Right, I've told folks I needed
a minute, I'll walk around the back of the house
and cried.
Speaker 1 (01:31):
Oh, I'm sure I'm trying. I would probably cry while
I was doing it. Now, yeah, I mean, you're probably right.
You probably had time you're in it.
Speaker 4 (01:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (01:40):
Well, the funniest thing was is before when he fell out.
It was weird because he walked downstairs so that he
wasn't feeling well, fell out in the kitchen floor, and
he was still kind of like it's they call it
like agonal breathing. It's almost just kind of like when
you take a fish out of water, right, And I
kind of like freaked out a little bit, and I
(02:03):
kind of ran out of ideas. So I smacked the
crap out of him three or four times and then
started doing CPR. And after they got him the hospital
and he came to and stuff like that, he was like, yeah,
I feel fine, except my face hurts. And I was like,
you know, I was like, I was like, I was like, bro,
(02:24):
that's not bad. I kind of lost. I lost tracked
a little bit, So I may have slapped the crap
out of you, but yeah.
Speaker 2 (02:30):
You know what, good for you?
Speaker 1 (02:31):
And did you take you obviously had taken a CPR
class previously to that through.
Speaker 3 (02:37):
Through the rescue squad because I was in the fire
department with Ashland Company one gotcha, and also a police
officer for twelve and a half years.
Speaker 2 (02:45):
Excellent, excellent.
Speaker 3 (02:47):
I've spoken to you many times.
Speaker 2 (02:48):
Oh, very good. I appreciate it. Thank you, my friend.
Speaker 1 (02:51):
If you're if you're a firefighter or EMS or maybe
even a police officer. I know not every one of them,
if has had to do it. Is there a good
percentage of them that have or is it like a
firefighter that never delivers a baby?
Speaker 5 (03:05):
I bet CPR is a lot high.
Speaker 1 (03:08):
Yeah, but I'm also but I wouldn't go out and say,
well every one of them has had to do it.
Speaker 5 (03:13):
No, no, no, that majority? Yeah o ooh to what
just being.
Speaker 2 (03:21):
Well, yes, I couldn't imagine being I couldn't imagine having
to do that for somebody.
Speaker 5 (03:25):
Oh I know I'm here first, I roll up slowly
and hope another car is coming.
Speaker 2 (03:35):
Big problem though, in the CPR world.
Speaker 1 (03:39):
Lyne too, Hi Elliott the morning, Hey Elliott to now,
how are you?
Speaker 2 (03:44):
Hey? I'm doing great CPR.
Speaker 6 (03:48):
Yeah, yeah, I'm a nurse. I actually just did my
a CLS Tuesday a dance party if support.
Speaker 3 (03:53):
Wait, you just did what by ACLS course?
Speaker 2 (03:58):
Okay?
Speaker 4 (03:58):
You know I'm not a doctor, right she said, Advanced
Cardiac Life.
Speaker 1 (04:02):
Okay, but this is like talking to my mom where
it's like she'll use all of like the inside jargon
from TJ Max and I'm like, I don't work there.
Speaker 2 (04:10):
I have no idea. Hey, let me ask you this.
Speaker 1 (04:12):
When you when you take that course, do they give
you a mannequin that you have to that you have
to practice on?
Speaker 6 (04:19):
Oh yeah yeah, and they're all like computerized. They tell
you about your your compression, so they passed enough, flow, enough,
deep enough, all kinds of stuff.
Speaker 1 (04:28):
The No, No, And that's great, you know what I mean?
It should be in depth question the the the the mannequin.
Speaker 2 (04:35):
What does it look like?
Speaker 7 (04:37):
Uh?
Speaker 6 (04:38):
It's just a half man can usually the top half
usually a man neutral and not a lot of not
a lot.
Speaker 2 (04:46):
Of features, right, and that's a problem.
Speaker 6 (04:50):
Hey though, listen, that was a hard act. I just
had to follow with the d that cprst brother.
Speaker 2 (04:55):
Have you see pr anybody?
Speaker 6 (04:57):
Unfortunately? Yeah, here you go. I was dating fell out
in my bed. I went to wake him up, and
I cprtic and unfortunately he didn't make it.
Speaker 1 (05:07):
Oh my god, oh my god, not even know, my
godding that he didn't make it.
Speaker 2 (05:15):
I just can't.
Speaker 1 (05:16):
You were dating the guy, yep?
Speaker 2 (05:20):
Can I ask you this? Que Were you were you
and not?
Speaker 1 (05:23):
I'm not asking about sex, but were you guys? Were
you guys naked when this happened?
Speaker 6 (05:29):
No? No, you taking the nap. But I was doing
fast balloons for my kids.
Speaker 2 (05:35):
Oh my god.
Speaker 5 (05:37):
By the way, by the way, classic storytopper move.
Speaker 2 (05:41):
She set us up, she set us up.
Speaker 5 (05:45):
To follow. I think it's going to be difficulty.
Speaker 2 (05:49):
That's amazing. And he died right there in the room.
Oh my god. Anyway, hey, I appreciate it. Thank you, ma'am.
Thank you.
Speaker 5 (05:57):
Now you asked specifically about the mannequins.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
Yeah, so there's a big problem with mannequins. They all
look alike, right, which.
Speaker 2 (06:05):
Is fine, Yeah, right, they would for a little bit.
There's no mannequins with boobs.
Speaker 4 (06:14):
Oh, and they need to make sure that you, I guess,
adjust your compressions accordingly or.
Speaker 2 (06:20):
Well, oh that's good.
Speaker 3 (06:21):
Diane.
Speaker 1 (06:22):
Tell me, what is the difference between giving CPR to
a man and giving CPR to a woman.
Speaker 4 (06:28):
Well, you said boobs, right, I've I mean, my my
sole experience with it goes to a little baby doll.
Speaker 3 (06:37):
Right.
Speaker 4 (06:38):
And then back in high school, which was on the
you know, the half mannequin.
Speaker 2 (06:42):
Right, exactly exactly, And that was high school.
Speaker 1 (06:45):
But now we're adults, so now there's a there's a
there's two people have fallen out, a man and a woman, right,
and you have to do CPR to both of them.
Speaker 3 (06:55):
Right?
Speaker 2 (06:56):
Is one different than the other? Like are you doing
something different.
Speaker 4 (06:58):
Putting the butt of your hand on the sternum? Right?
Speaker 2 (07:01):
Okay, Well, I'm asking you.
Speaker 5 (07:03):
This seems like a trick question. Yes, there's no difference.
Speaker 2 (07:06):
I bet is that right?
Speaker 4 (07:08):
Dan, Well, there's a reason why there's controversy about it.
Speaker 3 (07:13):
Right.
Speaker 2 (07:13):
The answer is there's absolutely no difference.
Speaker 4 (07:15):
Okay, and then what's the problem.
Speaker 5 (07:16):
Well, the problem was he was trying to trick us.
Speaker 1 (07:18):
No, no, no, no, no, no no no, because like
maybe you would think, like, oh, do I need to
remove the bra?
Speaker 3 (07:25):
No?
Speaker 1 (07:25):
I would say no, Okay, Well no the answer is no,
but you may not know that. So they've gone through
and they've done a bunch of research and they found
out if somebody has a heart attack. If it's a guy,
the odds of somebody helping are much higher than if
it's a woman. And they say why because they're uncomfortable
(07:48):
because they don't know what they're supposed to do if
they're supposed to do something different, because every mannikin has
no boobs.
Speaker 5 (07:57):
So this isn't even about technique. This is about thinking
about applying Yes, the technique.
Speaker 1 (08:03):
They're like, I don't know what to do, and they
think back to what did you learn? And you learned
on a flat chested and I don't even want to
say gender neutral, like that doesn't matter. There's no boobs,
and so people are like, oh crap, I don't know
what I'm supposed to do. I don't know, I don't
I don't know. Do I do the same thing like
I did on that man mannequin that I did? They
(08:25):
have no clue, and they said that the success rate
of a man having a heart attack is much higher
because people will jump in right away and go, I
know what to do. A woman goes down and they're like,
by the way, you know where they did the same
problem now this one.
Speaker 2 (08:45):
There is a little bit of nuance to battles. If
somebody has an.
Speaker 4 (08:49):
Add plus them.
Speaker 1 (08:51):
Yes, because well that that starts to get into boob
size and stuff like that.
Speaker 2 (08:56):
But for the most part, you're good to roll.
Speaker 5 (08:58):
I know he said boobs as like a creep.
Speaker 2 (09:01):
No, I didn't. How did I say some boobe size?
I said that in a loving way.
Speaker 5 (09:06):
But it does say here breast may influence how defibrillator
pads are applied, especially if there are breast implants or larger.
Speaker 2 (09:14):
Breasts, larger bosoms.
Speaker 5 (09:16):
Yeah, there's the way you said that were too.
Speaker 2 (09:18):
I'm saying it like everybody else does boobs.
Speaker 5 (09:21):
But what you said first about women who go into
cardiac arrest in public are less likely than men to
receive chess compressions from by sinners as people are quote
worried about touching breasts. Wow, that's horrible.
Speaker 2 (09:37):
I'm not.
Speaker 3 (09:39):
So.
Speaker 5 (09:39):
When you're confronted with a bra, breast or something different,
you don't react differently in a real life emergency. No,
then you're you stand alone.
Speaker 2 (09:49):
Yeah, I don't even notice it.
Speaker 1 (09:51):
Okay, now my palm is pushed down into the sternum
my fingers on the other.
Speaker 2 (10:03):
But no, but that but that's real life.
Speaker 5 (10:05):
Absolutely, this is a a study that I'll believe is
peer reviewed.
Speaker 1 (10:11):
So they're saying that by not having boobs on the mannequins,
or the ability to put boobs so that when you're
going through training, they put them on, they take them off,
they put them on, they take them off, that it's
not in the moment, you're still getting trained, you still
know what to do, but in practice.
Speaker 4 (10:31):
It's not completely foreign exactly exactly.
Speaker 3 (10:35):
Now.
Speaker 1 (10:35):
They did say there's some administrators who will go out
and find like fake boobies, like like.
Speaker 2 (10:41):
I don't I don't know, I don't know what, I
don't know what it. What it is. It's like almost
like a smock that has.
Speaker 4 (10:46):
That you lay on top.
Speaker 5 (10:47):
The researchers referred to it as a chest plate.
Speaker 1 (10:51):
Okay, that doesn't sound fun, but but tell me about
your smock.
Speaker 2 (10:58):
They put the smock thing on it and it's got
clubs and that way.
Speaker 1 (11:02):
That way that there's you're trained on both on both
exactly exactly, And that's all we're trying to get to.
Speaker 5 (11:09):
Now, some people are saying that they have worked with
mannequins that do have breasts, But I believe what you're
trying to get at is people need in every training
scenario need to experience both.
Speaker 1 (11:21):
Of the twenty different mannequins that were studied, researchers found
all of them had flat torsos only one model. One
model had a breast overlay. Eight were identified as male.
Seven had no gender specification. So like, like, remember back
in the day they had Resussa Annie.
Speaker 2 (11:40):
Yeah, what was that? But there wasn't there recessa was
it recessa Adam?
Speaker 4 (11:43):
There was Recessa Annie, and then that's who we used.
But wasn't there just Manny Manny the mannequin?
Speaker 1 (11:50):
Was it really was Manny my chest compression guy? I
just remember there wasn't a fun like Ressa Andy.
Speaker 3 (11:59):
No.
Speaker 4 (11:59):
I think like rawdy raggedy ann and Andy.
Speaker 2 (12:01):
No, I'm definitely not.
Speaker 4 (12:04):
But I remember you go you said, Manny Manny, are
you okay? Someone go for help Manny man or you okay?
Don't you remember that they taught you that that I
remember from high school?
Speaker 2 (12:14):
Are you serious?
Speaker 3 (12:15):
Yes?
Speaker 4 (12:15):
One more time, Manny Manny, because you're like Friday, You're
trying to like rouse the person. Manny Manny Manny, are
you okay? Manny many are you okay? Someone go for help?
Manny Manny? Are you okay?
Speaker 2 (12:29):
So I have to aask three times before I start chess.
Speaker 3 (12:31):
For now.
Speaker 2 (12:32):
I do remember them saying that when you.
Speaker 4 (12:33):
Cause, I mean, I guess you want to make sure
that they're not just sleeping.
Speaker 1 (12:36):
Right, No, no, I get that, no, no, but they
I do remember them saying that, like you you give
people like you like they say, you point at them, you.
Speaker 4 (12:44):
You call it's not just people not doing.
Speaker 1 (12:47):
You help me with this chest overlay? You no like,
but you're supposed to point out direction, right, I don't
remember the manny manny are you okay?
Speaker 4 (12:55):
Definitely remember that from high school.
Speaker 5 (12:57):
But I'm also looking at the torso Oversessa Ann who
came out in nineteen sixty. What is the average cup
size now of an American woman? Like a bigger, bigger,
I mean Elliott's got bigger tits than it. The situation
called for it did, just like this.
Speaker 2 (13:19):
Woman needs CPR.
Speaker 5 (13:20):
Somebody who's not a concerned be confronted with a bro.
Speaker 2 (13:25):
Minor bigger, minor bigger.
Speaker 5 (13:27):
But do you see, Diane, do you see the picture?
Speaker 4 (13:29):
Yes, by the way I get run, that's maybe a
B cup.
Speaker 1 (13:33):
Maybe maybe she's in the committee.
Speaker 4 (13:38):
Well she is laying down, Dian.
Speaker 2 (13:39):
Can I ask you this.
Speaker 4 (13:42):
Give her some grace.
Speaker 2 (13:44):
Let me ask you this.
Speaker 1 (13:45):
If you came across somebody and you had to give
him CPR as you were shaking.
Speaker 2 (13:49):
Them, would you say, Manny, Manny, are you okay?
Speaker 4 (13:52):
I probably would because I don't know what their name is,
because they're a stranger. Even if it were men, muscle
memory is hard to get away from.
Speaker 5 (14:05):
Oh great, Diane thinks the song that you're supposed to
do to a smooth criminal.
Speaker 2 (14:13):
Line one, Hi, Elliet in the morning.
Speaker 7 (14:17):
Hey, good morning.
Speaker 2 (14:17):
Hey, who's this?
Speaker 3 (14:19):
This is Steve?
Speaker 2 (14:20):
Hey, Steve, what's going on? Dude?
Speaker 7 (14:23):
So I want to add a little bit more to
the controversy here, So let me be upfront.
Speaker 3 (14:27):
Two.
Speaker 7 (14:27):
I used to be an EMT. I've done c Pierre
several times. However, I do not have any traumatic stories,
so I'm not going to top the last two callers.
Speaker 2 (14:35):
No, you're not.
Speaker 3 (14:37):
Why not?
Speaker 7 (14:38):
But in addition to and I've been in the class
probably five or six times in the last fifteen years.
Never seen a female a but be the rescue Randy
mannequin that I've always heard. Right, it's always like, you
know the equivalent of an in shape male, you know,
early barrel chested per Those are not people that are
(15:01):
having CPR, like I've probably done it ten or twelve times.
They're usually two three hundred pounds male or female. Like,
it's not realistic at all. So I totally agree. I
think that the social aspect is a little bit different.
But again, if your training is what you're doing, you're
not doing CPR and people that are, you know, in
perfect shape.
Speaker 2 (15:20):
By the way, Tyler just pulled up Randy. I would
kill for Randy's body a Greek god, Yeah, I would
kill like that guy, honestly, just he's a swimmer. He
just got out of the pool. That's ridiculous.
Speaker 7 (15:30):
Yeah, Randy, Randy is not dropping dead on the floor.
Speaker 2 (15:33):
And give me like that's who it is. Hey, can
I can I ask you this? Though?
Speaker 1 (15:41):
You said you said you've administered and I understand that's
your job, right, but you've administeredr CPR a dozen.
Speaker 7 (15:48):
Times, probably about tent or twelve.
Speaker 1 (15:52):
Yeah, I can't even imagine that, is it? The answer
has to be yes, But it's got to be unbelievably
intense and I don't want to say chaotic because you're
in control, but it's got to feel like freaking mayhem.
Speaker 2 (16:06):
When that's going on.
Speaker 7 (16:10):
Yeah, absolutely, and again you can nothing prepares you for
that after you've done it once twice. Of course, it's
always extremely intense, and depending on the scenario, if there's
family around, even more intense. But yeah, nothing can prepare
you for that first time for sure.
Speaker 1 (16:27):
Yeah, because I'm just gonna say, like, it's not like
we're in a class and everybody's gathered around. There's people yelling,
there's people screaming, there's people crying, there's people worried, there's
people upset.
Speaker 2 (16:36):
God knows what was going on.
Speaker 1 (16:37):
There could be there could be it'll be a car accident,
there could be all kinds of crap going on.
Speaker 7 (16:43):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (16:43):
Absolutely, Wow, that's nuts. And then Diane's still the hey
manny Manny
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