May 30, 2024 • 39 mins
After 9 hours of deliberations, the jury in the Donald Trump hush money trial found the former president guilty on all 34 felony counts of falsifying business records in connection with a hush money payment to adult film actor Stormy Daniels near the end of the 2016 presidential campaign. Sentencing is scheduled for July 11th.
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It's Night Side with Dan Ray onWBS Boston's news radio. All Right,
here we go, I am openingup phone lines. We will do this
for three hours. Donald Trump's foundguilty today thirty four counts of falsifying business
records in the first degree. Thatis a low level felony in New York
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State. Normally, for someone who'sa first time offender in a non violent,
low level felony, jail time isnot possible or not likely. But
there will be a sentencing on Julyeleventh, and it's possible, it's impossible
that the judge could suggest a certainamount of time of home confinement or whatever.
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This This has been an incredible ridethe last weeks during the trial and
a very definitive result today. Manyof us felt there would be the possibility
of a hung jury, even inNew York, even in Manhattan. That
was not to be. A lotmore is going to come out in the
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next few days. I'm sure thatsome one of these jurors will eventually start
to speak. But it looked tome as if, based upon the speed
with which this guilty verdict on thirtyfour counts was returned, that those jurors
probably left and entered the deliberation roomall pretty much convinced that they were going
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to vote guilty. It wasn't along deliberation for an indictment that had that
many counts, although the counts weredeplicative because they were well they were really
it could have been three counts,but it was beefed up to thirty four.
So we're going to go to thephones. Let me go to Bob
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in Michigan. Bob, I appreciateyour patience, have been on hold for
quite a while. Go right ahead, Bob. If Bob's not dealer's put
Bob on hold. I'm going toask you have answered previously, and I
apologize if that's the case. ButI've thought all along I wonder why Trump's
defense did not request a change ofvenue. They did? They did,
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they did? I didn't hear thatever, they did. It turned it
down. Yeah, this judge turnedit down. Okay, Well that seems
very very questionable right there, becausein all New York City jury, and
New York City voted what eighty orninety percent normally in a change of venue.
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Normally in a change of venue,it is you're going to be successful
if it's a high profile crime thatinvolves you know, violence. You know,
some someone murders ten people in themiddle of the street at noontime and
everybody knows about it. In sayeastern Massachusetts, and they would try to
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get a change of venue out toSpringfield, which is in western Massachusetts.
But if you remember the Watergate defendantsin the nineteen seventies, they all looked
for change of venues out of Washington, d C. And those were all
denied. I think Patty Hurst lookedfor a change of venue. I don't
think she had a change of venue. There's a lot of these high profile
cases. I don't think that OJSimpson had a change of venue. Change
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of venue is tough, tough toget well, I guess there's no higher
authority, legal authority in this country. And then the president of the United
States, so I would have thoughtthat I would have had some sway in
his favor. Probably worked against himbecause if let us say they agreed to
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a change of venue and moved thecase to another borough like Staten Island,
where Donald Trump probably carried Staten Islandsixty five to thirty five, I mean
it was like the more opposite ofManhattan. The people would be Howlly in
indignation. Well, okay, youanswered my question, and I want you
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to know I listened to you everynight, baoroughly enjoy you. I've listened
to wb Z on the radio goingback to I think his name was Jerry
Williams. Yep, Jerry Williams.That goes back to the nineteen seventies.
Yes, well, and my familyhas always ridiculed me. I would go
to bed at nine o'clock and listento the radio. But they all know,
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and they'll tell you. I'm surethat I'm much smarter than they are.
Where do you live in Michigan?If I could ask, I'm in
Holton Lake, Michigan. We're aboutone hundred and ninety miles north of Detroit.
Holton Lake is the largest in laLand Lake and Michigan. Really,
that's something I didn't know that.So if you're one hundred and eighty miles
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north of Detroit, you're you're gettingup there towards the top of Michigan.
We're probably about one hundred and twentyfive, one hundred and thirty miles from
the Macanol Bridge. Yeah, Soif you look to the left and you
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look to the right, if youhad monoculars. You're probably looking at Canada
because that part of that part ofMichigan. If my memory serves, you're
kind of at the same latitude asCanada. Correct. Well, we're just
south of Galard, Michigan, aboutfifty miles and Gaillard is on the forty
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fifth latitude, which is halfway betweenthe north and the south. Paule right,
Okay, that gives a good idea. Well, look, thanks very
much, Bob. Is this yourfirst time calling the show? No,
no, I've called you three orfour times. Well, please continue to
come back more often. Always goodto hear from folks in different parts of
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the country, and honored that youwould listen to WBZ this long. I
will tell you a little secret.Way back in the day when you were
listening to Jerry Williams, I wasdoing. I had a Saturday night show
on WBZ Radio, and then Ileft radio and spent thirty one years here
in TV in Boston, and I'vebeen back now going into our eighteenth year
here on night Side. So well, you're one of the best in the
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country. Well, I appreciate thatimmensely. I really do. Thanks Bob
talking for I have a good evening. You bet you appreciate it. Let
me go next to Joe and Maine. Joe, you were next on Nightside.
How far up in Maine are you, Joe? I'm not in Southport
on Maine. Oh sure, that'sjust kind of over the border. I
know, yeah, just a littlebit. So well, I'm sorry,
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mister silver Blade. So I leftbecause I had some questions to ask him.
I'm an independent. I'm neither asupporter of Trump nor Biden. Okay,
However, I mister silver Blake,came across as a Trump advocate,
not a subjective legal analyst. Okay, let me just tell you this.
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If you knew, let me giveyou a little bit of Harvey's background.
Harvey's a former national board member ofthe American Civil Liberties Union. He is
a defense lawyer first and foremost.He is very concerned about the power of
government. He is a classic Democrat, very similar if you know Alan Dershowitz
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of Alan the same school of thoughtas Alan. They were considered, you
know, thirty or forty years ago, or even less twenty five years ago,
pure democratic liberals with a small D. And they will argue that they
haven't changed, that the world haschanged. If you ever got into trouble
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with the law, you would wantan advocate as strong as either Hobby or
Alan on the issues dealing with civilliberties and the Bill of Rights and the
rights of the defendant, and theobligation of the government to bring legitimate charges
and improve all the elements of thoselegitimate charges beyond a reasonable doubt that the
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burden is on. They have represented, between them some very unpopular defendants,
so oh, I know, Iknow they have. It was using the
term dirty pool. That's not alegal term. I mean, come on,
it's it's not dirty pool. Therewas was a six sixth week all
trial, and it was decided byI guess reasonably honest selection of jury that
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the man was well first of all, I think, but Harvey when he
used that term, I think whathe was saying was that this case never
should have been brought. The judgeon the case, Judge Mershon, ruled
against the defense on the case.He you know, he find trump.
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I think it was ten thousand dollarsfor comments that Crump was making outside of
the courtroom about witnesses. The judge, I think, as you probably know,
I hope you know his daughter isa big fundraiser for the Democratic Party
Judge Merchant, there's a lot ofcontroversy right now about a flag or two
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that were flown by the wife ofsuper Chief Justice Alito, and the same
people who are concerned about that asan appearance of a conflict of interest as
Alito would potentially rule in January sixthcases, I'm not concerned about the conflict
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of interest that a judge would haveif his daughter is in effect working for
the other political party. Yeah.So I think that was the sort of
dirty pool comment that he was referringto. Yeah, very very hypocritical on
their pod I got about the flagissue. I agree with you, it's
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unfortunate we have these two candidates toselect. It's really I'd agree. I'm
seventy seventy years old, and it'svery distressing. If my dad was alive,
who was a World War Two combatveteran, he'd be very distressed.
Yeah. Well, my feeling onthis, and again, we as Bill
parselves would say, it is whatit is. We have an eighty one
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year old president who I think,if my math is correct, will he
was born in nineteen two. Ifhe's re elected in November, he will
turn eighty two in November, whichmeans he could serve potentially through the age
of eighty six. Donald Trump,obviously is a very different type of presidential
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candidate. I've said for for years, where is the new Jack Kennedy of
the Democratic Party? Where's the nextRonald Reagan of the Republican Party? And
I don't think anyone's going to mistakeJoe Biden for Jack Kennedy. And I
am don't thinking I was going tomistake Donald Trump for Ronald Reagan. Ay
Man, Jack Kennedy was a conservativeDemocrat. Yes, yes, he certainly
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was. But it was when hedebated Richard Nixon. We were talking about
the islands of Quemoy and Matt Sueoff the coast of China. You remember
that. Now, Harvey's a greatfriend, and he's a great attorney,
Okay, and I've watched him incourt. He is you know, Harvard
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Law school. Believe me, hethere were none better. And I'm it
just just when we were listening toit, it just a little bit sounded
like he was somewhat of an advocatefor Trump. Putch Uh. You know,
I didn't like that. I understandhis views. I think his view
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I think his view, and Iam going to speak for him because I
think I know his view. Hisview. He doesn't like Trump, He's
never voted for Trump, but hisinstincts, as his instinct as a defense
lawyer, has bubbled to the surface. He did not feel and does not
feel that that was an appropriate useof a prosecutor's office on this particular set
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of charges. So that's that's thatwas That's more important to him as to
whether or not I guarantee you he'snever voted for Donald Trump. Yeah.
Well, like I said before,I don't like either one of these candidates.
It's too bad something else doesn't happenbefore someone doesn't surface. That's legitimate.
Yeah, well, I think we'regetting a little late in the game
here. All right, Well,damn, thanks for receiving my call.
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Have a good evening you too,Joe, Thank you much appreciate it.
Right back here at Night's side,we only have one line open, which
is the one that Joe just leftsix seven, four, ten thirty.
This is an opportunity for us tomaybe talk with one another as opposed to
at each other. I think thatthe divide between Democrats and Republicans, Conservatives
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and liberals. However, you wantto describe that divide, uh was only
increased today and has only been increased. And we will see, we will
see what is going to happen inthe polls. I'm sure that tonight people
are being called right now by postersabout whether or not these thirty four felony
convictions, which really should have beenreduced to three, by the way,
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but that's what prosecutors do. Theyload up indictments. Well, thirty four
this is all really one one actinvolved, but we can talk about that
as well. Feel free to jointhe conversation. Be right back on Nightside.
Now back to Dan Ray live fromthe Window World night Side Studios on
WBZ News Radio. All right,we're gonna get right back to the phones.
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We try to get to as manypeople as we can tonight. I
know it's one of those nights that, Wow, everyone wants to express themselves.
Let's go to David san Antonio,Texas. David, you are next
on Nightside. Welcome. Do youhear me, Dad? I can always
hear you. I don't know whyyou always ask me that question just because
you're want to san Antonio. Thephones do work up here in Boston.
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David to make sure that my headphonesare working. Oh yeah, I hate
it when people are on headphones.Now, now I'm going to really worry
the next I'm gonna rob make surethat that Dave is always on it is
off his headphones in the future.It's it's I don't know. I'm serious,
David. You won't hear me phones. Headphones cards more trouble than their
work. But let's see what happens. Go ahead, Okay, I just
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wondered. This is a metaphor.I'm thinking out porically, but I'm voting
for Nelson Mandela, and all ofmyga is voting for Nelson Mandela. I
get the metaphor. I understand.I understand the point that you that you're
making. Uh and uh uh.And I don't know that I don't like.
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I don't like some clown trying toput in jail somebody that I want
for president just because I want himfor president. He knows he's going to
lose unless he doesn't. I don'tlike it. In this country is and
I hell of a lot of troubleon that expression. But the country's are
a lot of trouble. It's ina lot of trouble. It's more than
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just a little, it's a lot. The only thing that people are just
hitting back. Maybe where's the headset? So you can't hear me? Can
you hear me, Dave? Yeah, yeah, I can hear you.
Good, good, good good.Get the headset, believe. I don't
know if if the headset makes youfeel like a professional caller, but it
doesn't help us. Uh. NelsonMandela spent twenty seven years in prison.
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Donald Trump has has yet said today, so it's metaphorical, but I'm not
sure it's precisely metaphorical. Okay,yeah, all right, thanks Dave.
You watch to see he's gonna winanyway. But that's son of a guy.
I had no right to put himin jail. Well, you gotta
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you gotta blame the prosecutor. Yougot to blame the jury. You gotta
blame the defense. While that prosecutorgoes around and lets all these illegal immigrants
committing crimes, beat up cops,let about the back door, and putting
out an honest, good dad namedDonald Trump with a beautiful family, the
most beautiful white that ever walked intothe White House, and the most educated
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sons that ever walked in the WhiteHouse, a beautiful family. Look look
at look at Biden's family, andwhat son is a two plus credit at?
Yeah, come on, let's dothis. If you want to say
something positive about someone, fine,but we don't need to go in to
carry to assassination to be really honestwith you. Okay, I don't think
his one son who served in theUS military was an attorney general in the
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state of Delaware and died at anearly age of brain cancer. So let's
not go there. Okay, Butthat's that's don't make it a hero.
Look, that's not the point.That's not the point, Dave. Stick
with metaphors. We'll talk soon.Have a great night. Six one,
seven, two, five, fourthirty, triple eight, nine to nine,
ten thirty. Uh. We we'reinside the two minute warnings, so
they're frobly going to give Alex theuh, the opportunity to jump on here.
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Alex, you got to do itin two minutes because we got a
CBS News report coming up. Goahead, Alex. Hey, Dan,
I guess this verdict means nothing uhto Trump, you know. And this
was basically a misdemeta. That misdemeanorthat turned into a felony. If anything,
it's going to make him probably givehim more votes. You know,
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it's backfired on the prosecutor. Wouldyou think, well, I think it's
going to be interesting. Obviously,a conviction is different from an indict We
understand that the indictments have not hurthim at all, multiple indictments. But
this is the first conviction. Thisis the first time that the Democrats will
be able to hang the name convictedfelon around his neck. Harvey Silverglate does
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not think that that will be agreat albatross. I think we're going to
have to see what happens in thepolls in the next few days. I
mean we know that that right tonight, there are polsters in the field,
as they say, asking the veryquestions that you and I are speculating on
right That's why they will call himTeflon down. Well, again, a
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conviction is different than an indictment,and he does have that name of Teflon
Dong. The question is does ishe where does the does this? Uh?
Is he got teflon on a felonyconviction of some velcrow. That's really
the question, I guess, andhow the voters will will react to it
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all right, Alex. God blessAmerica. That's all I can say.
Yeah, God help America. Imean, this is a tough one.
I'm afraid that we've opened up pan. I'm afraid we've opened up Pandora's box.
To be really honest with you,I'm not a huge Donald Trump fan,
but I feel we have opened upPandora's box, and they should if
we were going to have the rematchof these old timers, we should have
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let it go unfettered by any judicialinvolvement. Alex, I got to run
because here comes CBS News on Nightside. Thanks Alex, you're on night Side
with Dan ray On. Don youb Z Boston's News Radio. You know
what I want? Who would liketo hear from tonight? Obviously, anyone
is more than welcome to call atsix one seven two four ten thirty or
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six one seven nine three thirty.I would love to hear from anyone out
there who has been infected one wayor the other by this decision. I
e. If there are some formerTrump supporters who have said, Okay,
this is the straw that breaks thecamel's back. I'm done with Trump.
What will you do? And ifthere are some folks who are on the
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fence maybe and are saying, hey, this just pushes me over to the
Trump side. I'd love to knowif there are any people out there whose
minds have been changed. I'm surethat a lot of the people who are
strong Trump supporters will continue to supporthim, and I'm sure that there are
those who who really have never likedDonald Trump will see this as as justice
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and as his just rewards or justdesserts. So I'm looking for those callers.
But I'm also looking for people whocan honestly tell me that their their
attitude towards how they're going to votein November has changed. Next up,
Mike, Mike, welcome that,Welcome back. How are you sir?
Okay? A few things. Firstof all, was I right or in
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my prediction the day before? Idid not commit your predictions to memory,
So why don't you refresh my mind? I said, I said, I
said, if I said, ifI were a juror, I would have
predicted guilty in the in the reason. The reason I would have predicted guilty
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is that the judge, by hisby his by his his charge to the
jury pretty much compelled me to doso. That he uh that he that
he that he that he that heallowed he allowed he allowed the allowed the
prosecution to uh to say that thatthat that that there was a that that
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it was a known fact that therewas there was a campaign violation. He
allowed the prosecution to say that orthe defense. Again, we're not gonna
bring Mike. What I don't wantto do is I don't want to break
it down here. I'm really moreinterested in your reaction to the reality of
the night. I mean with uh, okay, we're looking at my book,
my notes here. You made noprediction when you called in the other
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night you were so uh you Yeah, well there was one night you got
This is your third call this week. Actually, I don't know how you
got through for the third time becausebecause of the same subject. Yeah,
but we have what we limited Mikefor the future to one call being you
know, okay, you said tome that your vote would be guilty,
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uh and and that uh and thatyou predicted it would be guilty. That's
what you predicted. So you youvoted guilty, which was was it was
with the jury. Yeah, sonow that's fine. Well, well okay,
okay, from okay, what Iwant what I want what I want
to say. The people saying thatthe jury convicted Trump, I say,
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I say, the judge convicted Trump. Well again, you're incorrect factually on
that. You can believe that.But the people, the twelve people who
cast that, I mean, right, that's all I'm saying. You can
believe that, you can say that, but I don't want to spend much
time discussing that. It's like arguingover you know, how many angels are
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on the head of a pin.I don't know. No, No,
you can go on. What elsedo you want to want to ask you?
Anything else? Not really, notreally, particularly since it's your third
call of the weight. Come on, you're only supposed to do one one
call a week, Mike, Okay, so yeah, I appreciate your loyalty.
I appreciate your loyalty. But onea week. That's that's the that's
the number. Thanks, Mike,appreciate it. We're gonna keep going here.
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We got Frank is in Northbridge.Frank next time Nightsiger right ahead.
I I tried to call him theother night into the last night, but
I wasn't able to get through.I was gonna call in and say guilty
on all thirty four. I wasn'tgonna say Thursday, though I was,
I'd say it probably would have saidFriday. I knew it wouldn't go to
the weekend. Well, yeah,you were, you were pressient. Now
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that we know what has happened,I wish you had called in. But
so does does this does this jurydecision? Does this conviction in any way,
shape or form impact how you weregoing to approach the election in November?
No? I think though, thatit frames the election in a more
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truthful light. The fact that hewill now be listed as a convicted felon.
Okay, yeah, I mean youknow today that makes a difference.
Obviously, anyone who ask any respectthe law, that makes a difference.
Well, there's going to be,frank, whether you realize it or not,
there's going to be a lot ofpeople in this country who are Laura
Biding citizens who are still going tovote for Donald Trump. Yeah. But
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in terms of people who had aproblem with today's decision, you know,
you have to remember for six weekshis wife was nowhere to be seen,
and of what relevance is that?Well, what does that tell you in
terms of his innocence? Well,I don't think that tells me anything.
If you want to know, Ithink it's said a lot to the jury.
Well, it may have said alot to the jury. At the
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same time, if she showed up, they might have looked at her and
said, oh, here's a Stepfordwife. You do you have no no
idea, Frank, I mean,you're making statements that I don't know.
What do you understand? You?Are you married? Per chance? I
assume you are correct? No,No, you're not. Okay, Well
that's good. No one knows whatgoes on inside of a marriage except people
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who are inside the marriage. WellI have If someone is your partner,
I'm assuming that you want to supportthem. Have you ever been married?
No? No, okay, Wellagain I'm not I'm not denigrating you.
But all I'm just saying is thatif you talk to most married people,
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I think most of them would sayto you, in all honesty, that
you know, you don't you seea couple and you don't know if they
have arguments, you don't know howthey get along. I mean, sometimes
people you know, come to arealization that it's not going to work and
they just say, okay, washour hands of it. And other times
people stick together for a myriad ofreasons. And yeah, and obviously obviously
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you know it's a it's a highintensity situation. I did want to mention
though, that that caller a fewcallers back that mentioned that they thought that
mister Silverglade came across as an advocatefor Trump. I do think it was
a little disingenuous of mister Silverglade.Doctor mentioned the people remind people that he's
representing John Eastman. Yeah, asa matter of fact, that that's the
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first time that I've had Harvey onin which he did not mention that if
you've listened to me before, andI should have mentioned it as well,
But that has nothing to do.If you know Harvey Silverglade, you understand
that to his core, to hisvery core, he is a civil libertarian
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who honors and treasures the Bill ofRights, all the protections that all of
us have with the Constitution. Hehas represented some very unpopular clients, clients
that many lawyers would walk away from. If you, and I hope you
do understand that he is not aTrump supporter, nor is it's just said
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in representing mister Eastman, he's kindof in the thick of it. I
mean I mentioned to you, Frank, just you know, I think I
just mentioned to you that every timeHarvey has been on since he began to
represent John Eastman, he has disclosedthat fully and fairly. Uh. And
if you want to blame anyone fornot mentioning it, it would be me.
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But it had nothing to do.And please don't imply that Harvey Silverglate
has trimmed his sales because he wasrepresenting John Eastman. Believe me, believe
me you. I don't have youever read any of his books? Are
you familiar with him at all?Or I'm only I'm only familiar. I'm
only familiar with him from the morningshows, which he no longer is around.
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In fact, I haven't Hearing himon your show is the first time
I've heard him in a couple ofyears now. But you need to listen
to my show more often, becausehe's on frequently. As a matter of
fact, I had him on justa couple of months ago. I interviewed
the lawyer who represented Michael Milkin,and Michael Milkan has was someone who also
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was treated unfairly by the judicial system, and Harvey Silverglade actually wrote one of
the appeals in the Milkan case.This is you and I should get on
our knees every morning if you happento be someone who believes in God and
thank God that they're Alan Dershowitz andHarvey Silverglate's in the world. That's that's
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how strongly I feel about Harvey Silverglade. Okay, okay, thanks right,
appreciate your call. By the way, quick question, has the verdict today
in any way shape of form changedyour mind as to how you're going to
vote for I know I've asked thequestion, and I know what the honest
answer is. No, no,no, that that's honest. Again,
like I say, I listened.I listened last night, and every single
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call seemed to be hung Jerry hung, Jerry hungery. And you know,
like I say, we well,first of all, you're the majority of
calls were hung jury. But therewere and I'm looking at the scorecard that
I kept, there were six peoplewho said guilty. There were a couple
of people who actually thought who Ishould I should strike that strike that.
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There were two people who said thatthey if they were on the jury,
they would vote to quit. Butthere were several people who either predicted guilty
or said they would vote for Trumpbeing guilty. But that's that's an accurate
representation of what was said last night. There was no uniformity Tomorrow night at
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eleven o'clock. I think I'm goingto run every Friday night at the on
the twentieth hour, I run apoll. We did it in March,
and we did it in April,our last Friday night in April, last
Friday night in March, and Iwant to see if again it's it's not
a scientific pool, but i wantto see if people's views on Donald Trump
have changed one way or the other. And I'm open to hear from people
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tonight who are going to say,GEO, I was going to vote for
him, but have decided now thatthere's a fella and I can't vote for
him, or conversely, someone whomight say, gus on the fence and
this pushes me in one direction orthe other. Frank Is always appreciate your
calls. You're very thoughtful guy.Thank you. Have a good night,
by too. Good night. We'lltake a quick break, coming right back
on Nightside six seven two thirty sixseven ninety Back on night Side now,
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back to Dan Ray live from theWindow World Nightside Studios on WBZ News Radio.
All right, Suzanne and Newton.Suzanne, you're up late tonight.
How are you welcome back to Night'sSide under a gagg you're under a gag
order. Oh no, no,thank you for taking that call on my
old lady's phone. And also,Dan, I was never raped by Donald
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Telted the Blis Gales department story.That's good to know, Susanne. Are
you surprised by today's verdict? Notreally? But does it change your opinion
of who you might vote for?No? Just stop. I mean I'm
not a liberal and I do notwant to owen Morrow Lago, the golf
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courses in west Chester, the Daniardin Virginia. I h I'll take thank
you. I will vote in personin November. I have a ride to
the poll and I will vote unenrolledfor whoever I want to. All right,
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you're keeping your options open, Susanne. Thanks is always great. Toc
It's not that I to talk aboutthe Conservatives. All right, Thanks Suzanne,
have a great night. Thanks somuch. Good night. I go
next to Steve and Bratrie. Stevenext on Nisiger. Right ahead, Hey
Dan, long time, no speakerare you good, Steve, what's going
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on? Well, you know Ican't support you know, and you,
as an attorney, should know that. If I see a judge who's knowingly
giving a jury instructions that are ridiculous, likely unconstitutional and right for appeal,
I can't support that verdict. Thejudge did it, he knows he did
it. Those are jury instructions wereconfusing for legal analysts. So this is
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a full on conclusion. If Iwas one of the attorneys on that jury,
I should probably be disbarred. Sowhat I engaged in and finding a
guilty verdict here, it's ridiculous.You know. That would be my analysis.
But I'm not doing it because Isupport Trump. I'm doing it because
I support as a civil libertarian,much like big fan of Harvey Silverglade.
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This is wrong. What's being doneto John Eastman is wrong, and we've
opened a can of worms that,as Professor Durstwitz says, we can't go
back from because this is going toreverberate once Trump is elected. There are
going to be red states who dothis to candidates for the Democrats as a
tit for tat, and it isgoing to get ugly, and it is
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going to damage the system. SoMershan is a fool. This is going
to be overturned. And the biggerproblem is, this is June. What
happens in June, Dan, it'sa Supreme Court. All of the decisions
come down on the cases we're waiting, and we're waiting on presidential immunity,
and many of these acts occurred whileTrump was president. Marshan did no analysis.
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This is not going to reach thesentencing phase. Well, the correct
but in fact the checks were writtenin twenty seventeen after he was correct while
he was president. Then is goingto be in the context of the decision
is was that an official act?So I know, but then you need
to do an analysis in the underlyingcriminal case. If the Supreme Court says
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you need to analyze these as presidentialacts. Mershan did not do that.
So this case needs to be whatI like to call retried, and they'll
make a petition to the federal courts, they'll enforce the Supreme Court decision on
presidential immunity, and they'll be orderedto give him a new trial. This
is not even reaching the sentencing phasebecause that decision has to come. I
don't know at the end of theThe sentencing phase is July eleventh, and
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you have parallel tracks here. Soeven if the Supreme Court decision comes down
and is not going to give himabsolute immunity, I think it's pretty clear
from the collac way between the judgesand the lawyers that day that that there
will be some immunity provided to apresident in the context of official acts.
No absolute immunity is going to cometo but you need to do that analysis
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during before, during the trial orat the indictment phase. So you need
to do that during the trial.But but you think that Mershan is going
to say on July third, we'regoing to postpone the sentencing. I think
he's going to plow well. Theproblem is that he's instantly released on bail
and the appeal gets hurt even quicker. And it's right now. He's released
on bail. Right now, theproblem is ruined. It ruins the felony
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conviction. You know, follow whatI'm saying. If you if in June
the Supreme say he gets limited immunityfor axe men as a president, Marshawn
didn't do the analysis everyone encouraged himto do and to wait until after the
Supreme I think Shawn's position is goingto say I think Marshan's position is going
to say, that was not wedid what we followed the law as it
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was written during the indictments. It'sgoing to throw a monkey wrench into this
whole system, and it's not goingto move both. I just I have
a problem with him not waiting untilthat decision was made, and just from
a legal standpoint, this whole thingis just an absolute disaster, and I
don't we will say, Steve,you've got a call back. Okay,
don't be scared. I have agreat where we got to go next.
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Okay, I'm going to go toMichelle in Middleborough. Michelle going to get
you in here. Go right ahead, Michelle. Good evening. How are
you. I'm doing fine. Howare you tonight? I'm good. So
I gotta say I was on thefence, but I didn't know which way
I was going to go. I'mnot very happy with the current state of
affairs, but this verdict has pushedme over to vote Republican again. So
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this verdict is having the effect ofbringing you back to Donald Trump. Correct.
Wow, Okay, well, you'rethe first person. You're the first
person to say that, and andI accept that. It's going to be
really interesting to see what the pollsshow. But it's going to be interesting
if I hear from some other listenersand and so you're one that you were
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on the fence, did you hadyou ever considered Biden or No? I
was on the fence, Okay.I I think Trump's problem is he says
what he thinks and it's not alwaysappropriate, does what he's going to do,
and people don't always accept that.But I think I can accept that
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more than what the Democrats are doingand what Biden is doing. I think
they're a big part of where whyour country is going in the direction it's
going in. And I'm not minimizingTrump paying off people, but I think
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Bill Clinton did it. I thinkthe Kennedy probably did it. I think
other presidents have done it. AndI just don't like what the Democrats are
doing. Well. I think thatthey're not doing much to bring us together.
Yeah. Well, I think iftrumpet had better legal advice for Michael
Cohen, Cohen should have said tohim, look, payoff, you know,
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payoff Stoney Daniels, pay it offpersonally, have a non disclosure agreement,
and that would be it. Ifthat's all he did. I don't
think they could have even indicted himon this because what they're saying is that
he got involved in various machinations wherehe had Cohen make the payments uh,
and then he reimbursed Cohen uh.And then he may put in built,
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you know, entries in his bookkeepingjournals uh, or he had entries made
in the bookkeeping journals that said thiswas a retainer for Cohen, which it
wasn't. So that became a misdemeanor, which then was bootstrapped up to a
felony because it involved the federal election. He like he out bought it.
He should have had he should havehad a better lawyer than Michael Cohen.
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Period. That was that again,is the mistake that he made you that
he had that New York state ofmind that I can fix it. Should
have done it legitimately, legally,and he wouldn't have had a problem.
Agreed, Thanks so much, Michelle, love you calls. Come on back
more often. Okay, I willhave a great evening. Thanks Michelle,
appreciate it. All right, We'regoing to continue on two more hours coming
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up right after the ten o'clock news. We got tom and West Virginia,
Boba, California, Will and LongIsland in Carroen in Watertown coming back.
We got one line open at six, one, seven, ninth, three,
one, ten thirty
It's Night Side with Dan Ray onWBS Boston's news radio. All Right,
here we go, I am openingup phone lines. We will do this
for three hours. Donald Trump's foundguilty today thirty four counts of falsifying business
records in the first degree. Thatis a low level felony in New York
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State. Normally, for someone who'sa first time offender in a non violent,
low level felony, jail time isnot possible or not likely. But
there will be a sentencing on Julyeleventh, and it's possible, it's impossible
that the judge could suggest a certainamount of time of home confinement or whatever.
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This This has been an incredible ridethe last weeks during the trial and
a very definitive result today. Manyof us felt there would be the possibility
of a hung jury, even inNew York, even in Manhattan. That
was not to be. A lotmore is going to come out in the
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next few days. I'm sure thatsome one of these jurors will eventually start
to speak. But it looked tome as if, based upon the speed
with which this guilty verdict on thirtyfour counts was returned, that those jurors
probably left and entered the deliberation roomall pretty much convinced that they were going
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to vote guilty. It wasn't along deliberation for an indictment that had that
many counts, although the counts weredeplicative because they were well they were really
it could have been three counts,but it was beefed up to thirty four.
So we're going to go to thephones. Let me go to Bob
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in Michigan. Bob, I appreciateyour patience, have been on hold for
quite a while. Go right ahead, Bob. If Bob's not dealer's put
Bob on hold. I'm going toask you have answered previously, and I
apologize if that's the case. ButI've thought all along I wonder why Trump's
defense did not request a change ofvenue. They did? They did,
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they did? I didn't hear thatever, they did. It turned it
down. Yeah, this judge turnedit down. Okay, Well that seems
very very questionable right there, becausein all New York City jury, and
New York City voted what eighty orninety percent normally in a change of venue.
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Normally in a change of venue,it is you're going to be successful
if it's a high profile crime thatinvolves you know, violence. You know,
some someone murders ten people in themiddle of the street at noontime and
everybody knows about it. In sayeastern Massachusetts, and they would try to
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get a change of venue out toSpringfield, which is in western Massachusetts.
But if you remember the Watergate defendantsin the nineteen seventies, they all looked
for change of venues out of Washington, d C. And those were all
denied. I think Patty Hurst lookedfor a change of venue. I don't
think she had a change of venue. There's a lot of these high profile
cases. I don't think that OJSimpson had a change of venue. Change
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of venue is tough, tough toget well, I guess there's no higher
authority, legal authority in this country. And then the president of the United
States, so I would have thoughtthat I would have had some sway in
his favor. Probably worked against himbecause if let us say they agreed to
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a change of venue and moved thecase to another borough like Staten Island,
where Donald Trump probably carried Staten Islandsixty five to thirty five, I mean
it was like the more opposite ofManhattan. The people would be Howlly in
indignation. Well, okay, youanswered my question, and I want you
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to know I listened to you everynight, baoroughly enjoy you. I've listened
to wb Z on the radio goingback to I think his name was Jerry
Williams. Yep, Jerry Williams.That goes back to the nineteen seventies.
Yes, well, and my familyhas always ridiculed me. I would go
to bed at nine o'clock and listento the radio. But they all know,
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and they'll tell you. I'm surethat I'm much smarter than they are.
Where do you live in Michigan?If I could ask, I'm in
Holton Lake, Michigan. We're aboutone hundred and ninety miles north of Detroit.
Holton Lake is the largest in laLand Lake and Michigan. Really,
that's something I didn't know that.So if you're one hundred and eighty miles
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north of Detroit, you're you're gettingup there towards the top of Michigan.
We're probably about one hundred and twentyfive, one hundred and thirty miles from
the Macanol Bridge. Yeah, Soif you look to the left and you
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look to the right, if youhad monoculars. You're probably looking at Canada
because that part of that part ofMichigan. If my memory serves, you're
kind of at the same latitude asCanada. Correct. Well, we're just
south of Galard, Michigan, aboutfifty miles and Gaillard is on the forty
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fifth latitude, which is halfway betweenthe north and the south. Paule right,
Okay, that gives a good idea. Well, look, thanks very
much, Bob. Is this yourfirst time calling the show? No,
no, I've called you three orfour times. Well, please continue to
come back more often. Always goodto hear from folks in different parts of
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the country, and honored that youwould listen to WBZ this long. I
will tell you a little secret.Way back in the day when you were
listening to Jerry Williams, I wasdoing. I had a Saturday night show
on WBZ Radio, and then Ileft radio and spent thirty one years here
in TV in Boston, and I'vebeen back now going into our eighteenth year
here on night Side. So well, you're one of the best in the
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country. Well, I appreciate thatimmensely. I really do. Thanks Bob
talking for I have a good evening. You bet you appreciate it. Let
me go next to Joe and Maine. Joe, you were next on Nightside.
How far up in Maine are you, Joe? I'm not in Southport
on Maine. Oh sure, that'sjust kind of over the border. I
know, yeah, just a littlebit. So well, I'm sorry,
(06:51):
mister silver Blade. So I leftbecause I had some questions to ask him.
I'm an independent. I'm neither asupporter of Trump nor Biden. Okay,
However, I mister silver Blake,came across as a Trump advocate,
not a subjective legal analyst. Okay, let me just tell you this.
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If you knew, let me giveyou a little bit of Harvey's background.
Harvey's a former national board member ofthe American Civil Liberties Union. He is
a defense lawyer first and foremost.He is very concerned about the power of
government. He is a classic Democrat, very similar if you know Alan Dershowitz
(07:43):
of Alan the same school of thoughtas Alan. They were considered, you
know, thirty or forty years ago, or even less twenty five years ago,
pure democratic liberals with a small D. And they will argue that they
haven't changed, that the world haschanged. If you ever got into trouble
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with the law, you would wantan advocate as strong as either Hobby or
Alan on the issues dealing with civilliberties and the Bill of Rights and the
rights of the defendant, and theobligation of the government to bring legitimate charges
and improve all the elements of thoselegitimate charges beyond a reasonable doubt that the
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burden is on. They have represented, between them some very unpopular defendants,
so oh, I know, Iknow they have. It was using the
term dirty pool. That's not alegal term. I mean, come on,
it's it's not dirty pool. Therewas was a six sixth week all
trial, and it was decided byI guess reasonably honest selection of jury that
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the man was well first of all, I think, but Harvey when he
used that term, I think whathe was saying was that this case never
should have been brought. The judgeon the case, Judge Mershon, ruled
against the defense on the case.He you know, he find trump.
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I think it was ten thousand dollarsfor comments that Crump was making outside of
the courtroom about witnesses. The judge, I think, as you probably know,
I hope you know his daughter isa big fundraiser for the Democratic Party
Judge Merchant, there's a lot ofcontroversy right now about a flag or two
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that were flown by the wife ofsuper Chief Justice Alito, and the same
people who are concerned about that asan appearance of a conflict of interest as
Alito would potentially rule in January sixthcases, I'm not concerned about the conflict
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of interest that a judge would haveif his daughter is in effect working for
the other political party. Yeah.So I think that was the sort of
dirty pool comment that he was referringto. Yeah, very very hypocritical on
their pod I got about the flagissue. I agree with you, it's
(10:28):
unfortunate we have these two candidates toselect. It's really I'd agree. I'm
seventy seventy years old, and it'svery distressing. If my dad was alive,
who was a World War Two combatveteran, he'd be very distressed.
Yeah. Well, my feeling onthis, and again, we as Bill
parselves would say, it is whatit is. We have an eighty one
(10:50):
year old president who I think,if my math is correct, will he
was born in nineteen two. Ifhe's re elected in November, he will
turn eighty two in November, whichmeans he could serve potentially through the age
of eighty six. Donald Trump,obviously is a very different type of presidential
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candidate. I've said for for years, where is the new Jack Kennedy of
the Democratic Party? Where's the nextRonald Reagan of the Republican Party? And
I don't think anyone's going to mistakeJoe Biden for Jack Kennedy. And I
am don't thinking I was going tomistake Donald Trump for Ronald Reagan. Ay
Man, Jack Kennedy was a conservativeDemocrat. Yes, yes, he certainly
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was. But it was when hedebated Richard Nixon. We were talking about
the islands of Quemoy and Matt Sueoff the coast of China. You remember
that. Now, Harvey's a greatfriend, and he's a great attorney,
Okay, and I've watched him incourt. He is you know, Harvard
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Law school. Believe me, hethere were none better. And I'm it
just just when we were listening toit, it just a little bit sounded
like he was somewhat of an advocatefor Trump. Putch Uh. You know,
I didn't like that. I understandhis views. I think his view
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I think his view, and Iam going to speak for him because I
think I know his view. Hisview. He doesn't like Trump, He's
never voted for Trump, but hisinstincts, as his instinct as a defense
lawyer, has bubbled to the surface. He did not feel and does not
feel that that was an appropriate useof a prosecutor's office on this particular set
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of charges. So that's that's thatwas That's more important to him as to
whether or not I guarantee you he'snever voted for Donald Trump. Yeah.
Well, like I said before,I don't like either one of these candidates.
It's too bad something else doesn't happenbefore someone doesn't surface. That's legitimate.
Yeah, well, I think we'regetting a little late in the game
here. All right, Well,damn, thanks for receiving my call.
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Have a good evening you too,Joe, Thank you much appreciate it.
Right back here at Night's side,we only have one line open, which
is the one that Joe just leftsix seven, four, ten thirty.
This is an opportunity for us tomaybe talk with one another as opposed to
at each other. I think thatthe divide between Democrats and Republicans, Conservatives
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and liberals. However, you wantto describe that divide, uh was only
increased today and has only been increased. And we will see, we will
see what is going to happen inthe polls. I'm sure that tonight people
are being called right now by postersabout whether or not these thirty four felony
convictions, which really should have beenreduced to three, by the way,
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but that's what prosecutors do. Theyload up indictments. Well, thirty four
this is all really one one actinvolved, but we can talk about that
as well. Feel free to jointhe conversation. Be right back on Nightside.
Now back to Dan Ray live fromthe Window World night Side Studios on
WBZ News Radio. All right,we're gonna get right back to the phones.
(14:13):
We try to get to as manypeople as we can tonight. I
know it's one of those nights that, Wow, everyone wants to express themselves.
Let's go to David san Antonio,Texas. David, you are next
on Nightside. Welcome. Do youhear me, Dad? I can always
hear you. I don't know whyyou always ask me that question just because
you're want to san Antonio. Thephones do work up here in Boston.
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David to make sure that my headphonesare working. Oh yeah, I hate
it when people are on headphones.Now, now I'm going to really worry
the next I'm gonna rob make surethat that Dave is always on it is
off his headphones in the future.It's it's I don't know. I'm serious,
David. You won't hear me phones. Headphones cards more trouble than their
work. But let's see what happens. Go ahead, Okay, I just
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wondered. This is a metaphor.I'm thinking out porically, but I'm voting
for Nelson Mandela, and all ofmyga is voting for Nelson Mandela. I
get the metaphor. I understand.I understand the point that you that you're
making. Uh and uh uh.And I don't know that I don't like.
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I don't like some clown trying toput in jail somebody that I want
for president just because I want himfor president. He knows he's going to
lose unless he doesn't. I don'tlike it. In this country is and
I hell of a lot of troubleon that expression. But the country's are
a lot of trouble. It's ina lot of trouble. It's more than
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just a little, it's a lot. The only thing that people are just
hitting back. Maybe where's the headset? So you can't hear me? Can
you hear me, Dave? Yeah, yeah, I can hear you.
Good, good, good good.Get the headset, believe. I don't
know if if the headset makes youfeel like a professional caller, but it
doesn't help us. Uh. NelsonMandela spent twenty seven years in prison.
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Donald Trump has has yet said today, so it's metaphorical, but I'm not
sure it's precisely metaphorical. Okay,yeah, all right, thanks Dave.
You watch to see he's gonna winanyway. But that's son of a guy.
I had no right to put himin jail. Well, you gotta
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you gotta blame the prosecutor. Yougot to blame the jury. You gotta
blame the defense. While that prosecutorgoes around and lets all these illegal immigrants
committing crimes, beat up cops,let about the back door, and putting
out an honest, good dad namedDonald Trump with a beautiful family, the
most beautiful white that ever walked intothe White House, and the most educated
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sons that ever walked in the WhiteHouse, a beautiful family. Look look
at look at Biden's family, andwhat son is a two plus credit at?
Yeah, come on, let's dothis. If you want to say
something positive about someone, fine,but we don't need to go in to
carry to assassination to be really honestwith you. Okay, I don't think
his one son who served in theUS military was an attorney general in the
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state of Delaware and died at anearly age of brain cancer. So let's
not go there. Okay, Butthat's that's don't make it a hero.
Look, that's not the point.That's not the point, Dave. Stick
with metaphors. We'll talk soon.Have a great night. Six one,
seven, two, five, fourthirty, triple eight, nine to nine,
ten thirty. Uh. We we'reinside the two minute warnings, so
they're frobly going to give Alex theuh, the opportunity to jump on here.
(17:30):
Alex, you got to do itin two minutes because we got a
CBS News report coming up. Goahead, Alex. Hey, Dan,
I guess this verdict means nothing uhto Trump, you know. And this
was basically a misdemeta. That misdemeanorthat turned into a felony. If anything,
it's going to make him probably givehim more votes. You know,
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it's backfired on the prosecutor. Wouldyou think, well, I think it's
going to be interesting. Obviously,a conviction is different from an indict We
understand that the indictments have not hurthim at all, multiple indictments. But
this is the first conviction. Thisis the first time that the Democrats will
be able to hang the name convictedfelon around his neck. Harvey Silverglate does
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not think that that will be agreat albatross. I think we're going to
have to see what happens in thepolls in the next few days. I
mean we know that that right tonight, there are polsters in the field,
as they say, asking the veryquestions that you and I are speculating on
right That's why they will call himTeflon down. Well, again, a
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conviction is different than an indictment,and he does have that name of Teflon
Dong. The question is does ishe where does the does this? Uh?
Is he got teflon on a felonyconviction of some velcrow. That's really
the question, I guess, andhow the voters will will react to it
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all right, Alex. God blessAmerica. That's all I can say.
Yeah, God help America. Imean, this is a tough one.
I'm afraid that we've opened up pan. I'm afraid we've opened up Pandora's box.
To be really honest with you,I'm not a huge Donald Trump fan,
but I feel we have opened upPandora's box, and they should if
we were going to have the rematchof these old timers, we should have
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let it go unfettered by any judicialinvolvement. Alex, I got to run
because here comes CBS News on Nightside. Thanks Alex, you're on night Side
with Dan ray On. Don youb Z Boston's News Radio. You know
what I want? Who would liketo hear from tonight? Obviously, anyone
is more than welcome to call atsix one seven two four ten thirty or
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six one seven nine three thirty.I would love to hear from anyone out
there who has been infected one wayor the other by this decision. I
e. If there are some formerTrump supporters who have said, Okay,
this is the straw that breaks thecamel's back. I'm done with Trump.
What will you do? And ifthere are some folks who are on the
(19:57):
fence maybe and are saying, hey, this just pushes me over to the
Trump side. I'd love to knowif there are any people out there whose
minds have been changed. I'm surethat a lot of the people who are
strong Trump supporters will continue to supporthim, and I'm sure that there are
those who who really have never likedDonald Trump will see this as as justice
(20:18):
and as his just rewards or justdesserts. So I'm looking for those callers.
But I'm also looking for people whocan honestly tell me that their their
attitude towards how they're going to votein November has changed. Next up,
Mike, Mike, welcome that,Welcome back. How are you sir?
Okay? A few things. Firstof all, was I right or in
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my prediction the day before? Idid not commit your predictions to memory,
So why don't you refresh my mind? I said, I said, I
said, if I said, ifI were a juror, I would have
predicted guilty in the in the reason. The reason I would have predicted guilty
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is that the judge, by hisby his by his his charge to the
jury pretty much compelled me to doso. That he uh that he that
he that he that he that heallowed he allowed he allowed the allowed the
prosecution to uh to say that thatthat that that there was a that that
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it was a known fact that therewas there was a campaign violation. He
allowed the prosecution to say that orthe defense. Again, we're not gonna
bring Mike. What I don't wantto do is I don't want to break
it down here. I'm really moreinterested in your reaction to the reality of
the night. I mean with uh, okay, we're looking at my book,
my notes here. You made noprediction when you called in the other
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night you were so uh you Yeah, well there was one night you got
This is your third call this week. Actually, I don't know how you
got through for the third time becausebecause of the same subject. Yeah,
but we have what we limited Mikefor the future to one call being you
know, okay, you said tome that your vote would be guilty,
(22:14):
uh and and that uh and thatyou predicted it would be guilty. That's
what you predicted. So you youvoted guilty, which was was it was
with the jury. Yeah, sonow that's fine. Well, well okay,
okay, from okay, what Iwant what I want what I want
to say. The people saying thatthe jury convicted Trump, I say,
(22:34):
I say, the judge convicted Trump. Well again, you're incorrect factually on
that. You can believe that.But the people, the twelve people who
cast that, I mean, right, that's all I'm saying. You can
believe that, you can say that, but I don't want to spend much
time discussing that. It's like arguingover you know, how many angels are
(22:57):
on the head of a pin.I don't know. No, No,
you can go on. What elsedo you want to want to ask you?
Anything else? Not really, notreally, particularly since it's your third
call of the weight. Come on, you're only supposed to do one one
call a week, Mike, Okay, so yeah, I appreciate your loyalty.
I appreciate your loyalty. But onea week. That's that's the that's
the number. Thanks, Mike,appreciate it. We're gonna keep going here.
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We got Frank is in Northbridge.Frank next time Nightsiger right ahead.
I I tried to call him theother night into the last night, but
I wasn't able to get through.I was gonna call in and say guilty
on all thirty four. I wasn'tgonna say Thursday, though I was,
I'd say it probably would have saidFriday. I knew it wouldn't go to
the weekend. Well, yeah,you were, you were pressient. Now
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that we know what has happened,I wish you had called in. But
so does does this does this jurydecision? Does this conviction in any way,
shape or form impact how you weregoing to approach the election in November?
No? I think though, thatit frames the election in a more
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truthful light. The fact that hewill now be listed as a convicted felon.
Okay, yeah, I mean youknow today that makes a difference.
Obviously, anyone who ask any respectthe law, that makes a difference.
Well, there's going to be,frank, whether you realize it or not,
there's going to be a lot ofpeople in this country who are Laura
Biding citizens who are still going tovote for Donald Trump. Yeah. But
(24:32):
in terms of people who had aproblem with today's decision, you know,
you have to remember for six weekshis wife was nowhere to be seen,
and of what relevance is that?Well, what does that tell you in
terms of his innocence? Well,I don't think that tells me anything.
If you want to know, Ithink it's said a lot to the jury.
Well, it may have said alot to the jury. At the
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same time, if she showed up, they might have looked at her and
said, oh, here's a Stepfordwife. You do you have no no
idea, Frank, I mean,you're making statements that I don't know.
What do you understand? You?Are you married? Per chance? I
assume you are correct? No,No, you're not. Okay, Well
that's good. No one knows whatgoes on inside of a marriage except people
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who are inside the marriage. WellI have If someone is your partner,
I'm assuming that you want to supportthem. Have you ever been married?
No? No, okay, Wellagain I'm not I'm not denigrating you.
But all I'm just saying is thatif you talk to most married people,
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I think most of them would sayto you, in all honesty, that
you know, you don't you seea couple and you don't know if they
have arguments, you don't know howthey get along. I mean, sometimes
people you know, come to arealization that it's not going to work and
they just say, okay, washour hands of it. And other times
people stick together for a myriad ofreasons. And yeah, and obviously obviously
(25:59):
you know it's a it's a highintensity situation. I did want to mention
though, that that caller a fewcallers back that mentioned that they thought that
mister Silverglade came across as an advocatefor Trump. I do think it was
a little disingenuous of mister Silverglade.Doctor mentioned the people remind people that he's
representing John Eastman. Yeah, asa matter of fact, that that's the
(26:21):
first time that I've had Harvey onin which he did not mention that if
you've listened to me before, andI should have mentioned it as well,
But that has nothing to do.If you know Harvey Silverglade, you understand
that to his core, to hisvery core, he is a civil libertarian
(26:41):
who honors and treasures the Bill ofRights, all the protections that all of
us have with the Constitution. Hehas represented some very unpopular clients, clients
that many lawyers would walk away from. If you, and I hope you
do understand that he is not aTrump supporter, nor is it's just said
(27:04):
in representing mister Eastman, he's kindof in the thick of it. I
mean I mentioned to you, Frank, just you know, I think I
just mentioned to you that every timeHarvey has been on since he began to
represent John Eastman, he has disclosedthat fully and fairly. Uh. And
if you want to blame anyone fornot mentioning it, it would be me.
(27:26):
But it had nothing to do.And please don't imply that Harvey Silverglate
has trimmed his sales because he wasrepresenting John Eastman. Believe me, believe
me you. I don't have youever read any of his books? Are
you familiar with him at all?Or I'm only I'm only familiar. I'm
only familiar with him from the morningshows, which he no longer is around.
(27:52):
In fact, I haven't Hearing himon your show is the first time
I've heard him in a couple ofyears now. But you need to listen
to my show more often, becausehe's on frequently. As a matter of
fact, I had him on justa couple of months ago. I interviewed
the lawyer who represented Michael Milkin,and Michael Milkan has was someone who also
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was treated unfairly by the judicial system, and Harvey Silverglade actually wrote one of
the appeals in the Milkan case.This is you and I should get on
our knees every morning if you happento be someone who believes in God and
thank God that they're Alan Dershowitz andHarvey Silverglate's in the world. That's that's
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how strongly I feel about Harvey Silverglade. Okay, okay, thanks right,
appreciate your call. By the way, quick question, has the verdict today
in any way shape of form changedyour mind as to how you're going to
vote for I know I've asked thequestion, and I know what the honest
answer is. No, no,no, that that's honest. Again,
like I say, I listened.I listened last night, and every single
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call seemed to be hung Jerry hung, Jerry hungery. And you know,
like I say, we well,first of all, you're the majority of
calls were hung jury. But therewere and I'm looking at the scorecard that
I kept, there were six peoplewho said guilty. There were a couple
of people who actually thought who Ishould I should strike that strike that.
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There were two people who said thatthey if they were on the jury,
they would vote to quit. Butthere were several people who either predicted guilty
or said they would vote for Trumpbeing guilty. But that's that's an accurate
representation of what was said last night. There was no uniformity Tomorrow night at
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eleven o'clock. I think I'm goingto run every Friday night at the on
the twentieth hour, I run apoll. We did it in March,
and we did it in April,our last Friday night in April, last
Friday night in March, and Iwant to see if again it's it's not
a scientific pool, but i wantto see if people's views on Donald Trump
have changed one way or the other. And I'm open to hear from people
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tonight who are going to say,GEO, I was going to vote for
him, but have decided now thatthere's a fella and I can't vote for
him, or conversely, someone whomight say, gus on the fence and
this pushes me in one direction orthe other. Frank Is always appreciate your
calls. You're very thoughtful guy.Thank you. Have a good night,
by too. Good night. We'lltake a quick break, coming right back
on Nightside six seven two thirty sixseven ninety Back on night Side now,
(30:33):
back to Dan Ray live from theWindow World Nightside Studios on WBZ News Radio.
All right, Suzanne and Newton.Suzanne, you're up late tonight.
How are you welcome back to Night'sSide under a gagg you're under a gag
order. Oh no, no,thank you for taking that call on my
old lady's phone. And also,Dan, I was never raped by Donald
(31:00):
Telted the Blis Gales department story.That's good to know, Susanne. Are
you surprised by today's verdict? Notreally? But does it change your opinion
of who you might vote for?No? Just stop. I mean I'm
not a liberal and I do notwant to owen Morrow Lago, the golf
(31:26):
courses in west Chester, the Daniardin Virginia. I h I'll take thank
you. I will vote in personin November. I have a ride to
the poll and I will vote unenrolledfor whoever I want to. All right,
(31:48):
you're keeping your options open, Susanne. Thanks is always great. Toc
It's not that I to talk aboutthe Conservatives. All right, Thanks Suzanne,
have a great night. Thanks somuch. Good night. I go
next to Steve and Bratrie. Stevenext on Nisiger. Right ahead, Hey
Dan, long time, no speakerare you good, Steve, what's going
(32:08):
on? Well, you know Ican't support you know, and you,
as an attorney, should know that. If I see a judge who's knowingly
giving a jury instructions that are ridiculous, likely unconstitutional and right for appeal,
I can't support that verdict. Thejudge did it, he knows he did
it. Those are jury instructions wereconfusing for legal analysts. So this is
(32:31):
a full on conclusion. If Iwas one of the attorneys on that jury,
I should probably be disbarred. Sowhat I engaged in and finding a
guilty verdict here, it's ridiculous.You know. That would be my analysis.
But I'm not doing it because Isupport Trump. I'm doing it because
I support as a civil libertarian,much like big fan of Harvey Silverglade.
(32:52):
This is wrong. What's being doneto John Eastman is wrong, and we've
opened a can of worms that,as Professor Durstwitz says, we can't go
back from because this is going toreverberate once Trump is elected. There are
going to be red states who dothis to candidates for the Democrats as a
tit for tat, and it isgoing to get ugly, and it is
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going to damage the system. SoMershan is a fool. This is going
to be overturned. And the biggerproblem is, this is June. What
happens in June, Dan, it'sa Supreme Court. All of the decisions
come down on the cases we're waiting, and we're waiting on presidential immunity,
and many of these acts occurred whileTrump was president. Marshan did no analysis.
(33:34):
This is not going to reach thesentencing phase. Well, the correct
but in fact the checks were writtenin twenty seventeen after he was correct while
he was president. Then is goingto be in the context of the decision
is was that an official act?So I know, but then you need
to do an analysis in the underlyingcriminal case. If the Supreme Court says
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you need to analyze these as presidentialacts. Mershan did not do that.
So this case needs to be whatI like to call retried, and they'll
make a petition to the federal courts, they'll enforce the Supreme Court decision on
presidential immunity, and they'll be orderedto give him a new trial. This
is not even reaching the sentencing phasebecause that decision has to come. I
don't know at the end of theThe sentencing phase is July eleventh, and
(34:22):
you have parallel tracks here. Soeven if the Supreme Court decision comes down
and is not going to give himabsolute immunity, I think it's pretty clear
from the collac way between the judgesand the lawyers that day that that there
will be some immunity provided to apresident in the context of official acts.
No absolute immunity is going to cometo but you need to do that analysis
(34:44):
during before, during the trial orat the indictment phase. So you need
to do that during the trial.But but you think that Mershan is going
to say on July third, we'regoing to postpone the sentencing. I think
he's going to plow well. Theproblem is that he's instantly released on bail
and the appeal gets hurt even quicker. And it's right now. He's released
on bail. Right now, theproblem is ruined. It ruins the felony
(35:07):
conviction. You know, follow whatI'm saying. If you if in June
the Supreme say he gets limited immunityfor axe men as a president, Marshawn
didn't do the analysis everyone encouraged himto do and to wait until after the
Supreme I think Shawn's position is goingto say I think Marshan's position is going
to say, that was not wedid what we followed the law as it
(35:29):
was written during the indictments. It'sgoing to throw a monkey wrench into this
whole system, and it's not goingto move both. I just I have
a problem with him not waiting untilthat decision was made, and just from
a legal standpoint, this whole thingis just an absolute disaster, and I
don't we will say, Steve,you've got a call back. Okay,
don't be scared. I have agreat where we got to go next.
(35:51):
Okay, I'm going to go toMichelle in Middleborough. Michelle going to get
you in here. Go right ahead, Michelle. Good evening. How are
you. I'm doing fine. Howare you tonight? I'm good. So
I gotta say I was on thefence, but I didn't know which way
I was going to go. I'mnot very happy with the current state of
affairs, but this verdict has pushedme over to vote Republican again. So
(36:17):
this verdict is having the effect ofbringing you back to Donald Trump. Correct.
Wow, Okay, well, you'rethe first person. You're the first
person to say that, and andI accept that. It's going to be
really interesting to see what the pollsshow. But it's going to be interesting
if I hear from some other listenersand and so you're one that you were
(36:44):
on the fence, did you hadyou ever considered Biden or No? I
was on the fence, Okay.I I think Trump's problem is he says
what he thinks and it's not alwaysappropriate, does what he's going to do,
and people don't always accept that.But I think I can accept that
(37:09):
more than what the Democrats are doingand what Biden is doing. I think
they're a big part of where whyour country is going in the direction it's
going in. And I'm not minimizingTrump paying off people, but I think
(37:30):
Bill Clinton did it. I thinkthe Kennedy probably did it. I think
other presidents have done it. AndI just don't like what the Democrats are
doing. Well. I think thatthey're not doing much to bring us together.
Yeah. Well, I think iftrumpet had better legal advice for Michael
Cohen, Cohen should have said tohim, look, payoff, you know,
(37:52):
payoff Stoney Daniels, pay it offpersonally, have a non disclosure agreement,
and that would be it. Ifthat's all he did. I don't
think they could have even indicted himon this because what they're saying is that
he got involved in various machinations wherehe had Cohen make the payments uh,
and then he reimbursed Cohen uh.And then he may put in built,
(38:13):
you know, entries in his bookkeepingjournals uh, or he had entries made
in the bookkeeping journals that said thiswas a retainer for Cohen, which it
wasn't. So that became a misdemeanor, which then was bootstrapped up to a
felony because it involved the federal election. He like he out bought it.
He should have had he should havehad a better lawyer than Michael Cohen.
(38:34):
Period. That was that again,is the mistake that he made you that
he had that New York state ofmind that I can fix it. Should
have done it legitimately, legally,and he wouldn't have had a problem.
Agreed, Thanks so much, Michelle, love you calls. Come on back
more often. Okay, I willhave a great evening. Thanks Michelle,
appreciate it. All right, We'regoing to continue on two more hours coming
(38:58):
up right after the ten o'clock news. We got tom and West Virginia,
Boba, California, Will and LongIsland in Carroen in Watertown coming back.
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