March 28, 2025 • 24 mins
It hasn't been an easy start to the seasons for the Warriors, after losing to the Raiders in their opening match in Las Vegas, but the team have won their last two games against Manly and the Roosters.
Warriors head coach Andrew Webster talks to Piney about what went wrong in Vegas, Ivan Cleary's influence, how Luke Metcalf's stepped into Shaun Johnson's shoes, and more.
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Speaker 1 (00:06):
You're listening to the Weekend Sport podcast with Jason Vine
from Newstalks EDB.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
Back to back victories for the Warriors here at twenty
twenty five hasn't been easy for the home team.
Speaker 3 (00:26):
And a real arm wrestle back to back indeed for
the Warriors after the loss to the Raiders first up
in Vegas. It's a great pleasure to welcome into the
news Talks EDB Studio Warriors head coach Andrew Webster. Andrew,
thank you so much for popping out. It's great to
see you. Thanks for spending some time with us. She
must come in as a pretty happy coach. I would
imagine with wins in the last two games against Manly
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and the Roosters, what have been the keys to those victories?
Speaker 4 (00:53):
I think definitely effort, scramble. Boys are scrambling for each other.
We I'm being perfect. I think we've actually conceded quite
a few line breaks, but we considered one try on
the weekend and there's so many o so close moments
for the opposition to score, and we found a way
to get there and have each other's back and stop them. Definitely,
our Kickchase. I think we're putting teams where we want
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them to start their sets from, which is applying a
lot of pressure, and then we're coming over the top
when it matters. So lots to and work on, Like
we no, I know where we need to be, but
at least we're got plenty of effort and we're working
hard for each other. If we've got that at the
end of the season and we start playing better, then
that'll be good.
Speaker 3 (01:32):
What happened in Vegas, No, we were poor.
Speaker 4 (01:34):
Like I can't put my finger on it. I think
I think it's a real lesson in Our preparation was
really good, but it's not as good as hit until,
like we came home the next week and our prep
was even better. We tried to keep the boys busy
in Vegas, just to keep them away.
Speaker 5 (01:51):
From all the distractions.
Speaker 4 (01:52):
But in hindsight, look, I don't have the answers, but
I just want to put a line through it and
hopefully I'll never going back to Vegas.
Speaker 3 (01:58):
I was going to ask that would you reconsider an
invitation to go back. It's a part of the NRLs strategy.
I think there was a lot of excitement, you know,
when the Warriors were selected as one of the teams
to go. I know the fans loved it. Would you
reconsider doing it again if you were invited?
Speaker 4 (02:14):
Definitely. I mean it's not my decision. Really, I didn't
get to say this time, and I'm sure I won't
get to say next time.
Speaker 5 (02:19):
But I'll support the concept.
Speaker 4 (02:21):
Like I'm glad that we did go and glad our
fans got to see us there. So like, yeah, if
they wanted us to go again and it made sense
for our fans, then we'll take that to that tough
carry for everyone, but yeah, there was lots of love
about Look, we got to see and do some things
that some of our boys will never get to do in.
Speaker 5 (02:41):
Their lives, you know.
Speaker 4 (02:42):
So rugby league takes you all around the world. But
we're just disappointed we didn't do it for all those
fans because we were so well supported. Everywhere you walked,
you just saw Warriors fans and then now it fell
like we let.
Speaker 5 (02:52):
Them down a bit.
Speaker 3 (02:53):
Let's talk about a couple of players. Your half's combo, Chanell, Harris, Tavita,
Luke Metcalfe. You've selected them for the first three games.
In fact, it's been the same seventeen for the first
three games. Yeah, which has been terrific. What do you
predict for Chanelle and Luke as the season goes on.
Speaker 4 (03:06):
I just think once they build that combination, they're going
to thrive. Otherwise we wouldn't have them there. And we've
got two great backups in to Mighty and Tanner Boyd
that at any time we could call on and they
do a fantastic job. They're playing really good football in
their own right and reserve great. At the moment, I
think these boys have had real glimpses of real good footing.
(03:27):
I think Vegas we didn't give them opportunity to Raiders
to show what they could do.
Speaker 5 (03:31):
Off the bay the way we defended.
Speaker 4 (03:34):
But yeah, I just think like round two, you've got
to see Luke Enchanell really thrive at the back into
the game. And the same thing happened on the weekend.
Speaker 5 (03:42):
Like they want to.
Speaker 4 (03:43):
Improve things we'd like them to improve, but we're absolutely
wrapped with what they're achieving so far, particularly with their
kicking game, Like they're putting the oppositions right where we wanted.
Speaker 5 (03:52):
Like I said, so that's pretty cool.
Speaker 3 (03:54):
How challenging has it been for Luke Metcalfe to step
into the boots of a club legend like Shawn Johnson.
Speaker 4 (04:00):
You'd have to ask Luke. But on the surface, he
seems really cool. He seems he seems really calm about
what he wants to do, is excited for the next challenge,
he wants to rain. So what I've seen is a
guy who wants to improve every day. He knows what
he's good at. Yeah, I haven't noticed anything that it's
alarming or that he's struggling with the pressure. I think
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Sean got to play, you know, over two hundred games
of NRL Lukes early on in his career, so there
are different different ends of the spectrum.
Speaker 5 (04:33):
But yeah, I think Luke's handling the situation really well.
Speaker 3 (04:36):
And To Mighty played in the halfs quite a lot
last year. Are you still in your plans for twenty
twenty five.
Speaker 4 (04:41):
Yeah, it's going to take a squad to win this
if we want to win it, and some stage s
might is either going to force his way in there
or there's going to be an injury. And when he's
if he's ready, we've got a great, great guy in
Too Mighty to come in.
Speaker 5 (04:55):
Like I said, same as Tana Boyd. So no, I
think we're very blessed.
Speaker 4 (04:59):
There a lot of clubs love four halfbacks like we've got,
but you need them like they're so important for your depth.
And yeah, he's he's playing really good footing.
Speaker 3 (05:07):
Any updated time frame on Delan Wat he's leason the
ext return.
Speaker 4 (05:12):
No no, so Dylan, he goes back to the surgeon
this week, he gets the I think it's the wire.
Don't hold me to that wire or screw out this week,
and then that just basically starts working on how he
can get his strength and his range back and then
we'll know more. But I think that round tens the
plan at this stage.
Speaker 3 (05:29):
From a wider point of view, they always say that
you shouldn't ride the highest too high or the lows
too low, And you always strike me as being very level. Yeah,
before a game, during a game, after a game, win
or lose, how do you manage your emotions, particularly after
a defeat.
Speaker 4 (05:44):
I think the only pressure I put on is put
the pressure from myself. I mean, That's what I mean
by that is, I don't listen to the outside noise.
I only care about the people in our four war.
So I think when you have high expectations, which I do,
I want to win and be successful. They're only my expectation,
not somebody else's. When you're trying to meet someone else's,
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that's when you have fear of loss, or you start
changing who you are and you start getting emotional and
you start losing a little bit.
Speaker 5 (06:14):
And I'm not perfect with that either.
Speaker 4 (06:16):
Like trust me, I think the camera is pretty kind
to me during the game. There's a few moments there
were I'm yelling and screaming, but yeah, just on the surface,
like good examples around one Vegas. At the end of
the day, I was disappointed because of the occasion, but
I just looked at it is round one. There's a
long way to go, a weekend, maybe leagues a long time.
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If we win next game, you know, there's the confidence
that we can build on that. So yeah, I just
look at it, probably a bit different than most people.
Speaker 3 (06:45):
And it's between your four walls, and that's obviously the
best way to do it. You know, you're in a
sinct of the people you trust. Do you stew on defeat?
Speaker 5 (06:53):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (06:54):
Yeah, it hurts like it hurts deep down, Like when
I say deep down, like it doesn't leave until you
make it right. Even like some losses in my life
that I just think, you know, as a player, when
I was playing under seventh Grand Final to now like
they hurt, they hurt less every day, but they're still there.
And yeah, everyone wants to win. I hate losing, but
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you've got to get over yourself and you got to
get over what the occasion.
Speaker 5 (07:20):
But sometimes it doesn't hurt.
Speaker 4 (07:22):
Let it sit with you for a bit so you
never want to go back there. But yeah, no, I
struggled just as much as anyone with losing.
Speaker 3 (07:30):
But Mondays must be a hicck of a lot nice
around the playing group as well. When you get to win.
I can imagine these boys bounding it on a Monday
after all winner, is that the case?
Speaker 4 (07:38):
Well, when you play Friday nights, which we have last
two and you'll win, we do a review on Saturday
in a recovery session and they bounce in tired, sore,
but they've got a smile on their face, and then
they get a day and a half off and bounce
back in Monday. So I've certainly lost them Friday night
and the rest of the weekend doesn't feel the same.
Speaker 5 (07:56):
But the boys are in a good mood at the moment.
Speaker 3 (07:59):
Twenty twenty three was an exceptional year for you. Twenty
twenty four not so much.
Speaker 5 (08:03):
Yep.
Speaker 3 (08:04):
What was different last year?
Speaker 4 (08:08):
Well, the results. We obviously we're like we finished thirteenth
as opposed to fourth. We had a lot of injuries,
but I still didn't believe even if we had everyone available,
still didn't think we would have achieved what we wanted
to achieve. So I certainly think we would have improved.
But the big thing for me is I assumed a
couple of things. If I'm being honest, I thought that
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we practice hard, we'll fit.
Speaker 5 (08:31):
We worked at our game.
Speaker 4 (08:32):
There was always a focus, Like I said, getting back
to expectation. Everyone was talking about the external noise of
the nation, and everyone thinks we can win the camp.
It was more our own expectations. We were hungry for it,
we wanted to want it, and when we didn't reach
those expectations, you could see that we didn't get over
it well and everyone started to struggle with that moment,
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and therefore we didn't defend our.
Speaker 5 (08:56):
Trial line or we carried that moment on.
Speaker 4 (08:58):
So I think we've done really well so far this
year that when that moment comes, we get over it
quick and we move on and we still had expectations
and standards, but we don't have as much anxiety around them.
Speaker 3 (09:11):
You lost some big players eat of this season, Shawn Johnson,
We mentioned Tall who Harris in particular. Those two guys,
what kind of hole do they leave, not just on
the field, but around the playing group.
Speaker 4 (09:22):
Yeah, I just think every hole that's left, someone feels it.
Like it's a cliche, but like you do not lead
and do not have the space to lead in this
Dominant figures like Tahu and Sean to Who's greatest strength
is that he gives space for other people to lead.
Shawn's greatest strength is he's dominant. He's a halfback, he
should be. But at same stage Sewan's he's a team guy,
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you know. But they definitely leave a hole, and then
you see people.
Speaker 5 (09:48):
Step up and want that.
Speaker 4 (09:50):
So yeah, it's I don't know. I look at it
from an optimistic point of view that whilst we miss
them and we'd love to have them around, we've got
guys like Luke Metcalfe've got a guy like Aaron Clark
who's come come back home and he's got an opportunity
to step up in that space, and you can just
see if he's playing grate footy.
Speaker 3 (10:09):
Do Ta Who and Sean and others who have left
the playing groups still have a contribution to make.
Speaker 4 (10:16):
I think they will for the rest of their lives
if they want to, and I think they will if
we allow them to. Simon Mannering's always welcome. Dean bellis
the first Captain's welcome. So I definitely think toy and
Sean been recent.
Speaker 5 (10:30):
Retired and being such good players.
Speaker 4 (10:32):
I mean we had toy Who around the week leading
up Tears kind of his fellwell, which we had in
the mainly game, and Sewan's been at training a few times,
so yeah, and Sean's going to do some work with
our younger players.
Speaker 5 (10:45):
So like they definitely have a big, big part to play.
Speaker 4 (10:48):
It's it's just making sure they feel welcome, which they are,
and just making sure hopefully when they're eighty they're still
having that in some form.
Speaker 3 (10:58):
I'm sure James, I'll be dead by having a contribution,
and I'm sure you'll still be around, James Busha Harris, yep.
Can you talk to us a bit about his influence
on the side, what you've seen from him since his arrival.
Speaker 4 (11:10):
Yeah, I think our standards improved from him just walking
through the door.
Speaker 5 (11:14):
I just think.
Speaker 4 (11:16):
For even said a word. I think players saw the
way he played the hurd, his reputation, some of our
boys playing Kiwi's with him and Maldi's, and they knew, okay,
these are the standards, and they didn't want to let
him down or they wanted to be part of that.
So I think our intensity of training improved straight away,
and I think Fish definitely drove that by his obviously
(11:39):
his actions. We've got a guy on Mitch Barnett who's
also very good at that. Already he's exceptional and hence
why they're co captains.
Speaker 5 (11:46):
But then when.
Speaker 4 (11:49):
Mitch has an ally in Fish and both are both
are training like that, then everyone's everyone's got.
Speaker 5 (11:55):
To lift their standards.
Speaker 3 (11:56):
Because it was talk when James Fisher Haerris came in
that he might be given the captaincy. You might choose
him as your as your captain.
Speaker 5 (12:02):
Yep.
Speaker 3 (12:03):
Was there a reluctance to do that because it might
have just added more to his plate yep?
Speaker 4 (12:08):
Yeah, and James notics. We've had good conversations. I had
no plans on making him captain, just from he wanted
to come here and I prove I didn't want him
to feel like he was our savior. We're going to
put added pressure on his back. But then also I
was also aware of last year how good Mitch's leadership
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skills were, and what when Tau got injured, how he lifted,
and what he created for the team. And then when
I saw Fish arrive and I saw Mitch doing what
he's doing, and they were doing stuff together, And also
a bit of Yin and yang, which is very loud
and emotional. James is very quiet, but when he talks,
everyone stops. So I just thought he's a perfect.
Speaker 5 (12:53):
Example of ying and yang.
Speaker 4 (12:54):
But like my marriage, and I thought it'd be perfect
for them and for the team and for the nation.
So they just made a great fit. And then I
spoke to James.
Speaker 5 (13:04):
Look, I wasn't going to do this.
Speaker 4 (13:05):
I didn't think it would work, but I think it
would be perfect for us.
Speaker 5 (13:08):
Do you want it?
Speaker 4 (13:09):
And he wanted it, and I've really spoken to Mitch
and they both wanted to do it together.
Speaker 3 (13:15):
Ivan Cleary a guy you worked with at Penrith. You
know him well, no doubt, you still have a little
bit to do with him. How much of an influence.
Has Ivan Cleary been on you a huge Yeah?
Speaker 4 (13:27):
I mean I haven't. Obviously, I've learned a lot of
stuff about rugby league. I've obviously learned a lot of
things how you carry yourself. The biggest thing from my
Ivan is I've never seen a guy have such a
good balance between working hard and family. And I think
his family values then transfer into his work values. So
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he treats his players like that, he's family his staff.
It's big on connection and everyone being close together and
wanting to come to work every day just creates a
great environment. I learned a lot about that, and I
fell out they're close to my values as well, which
is cool. The big thing I haven'ts taught me is
you can't copy and paste. You've always got to be
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your authentic self. So not necessarily everything he does is
going to work for me or for the next coach.
But a bloody learn a lot from him, you know,
so I've got to copy if you.
Speaker 3 (14:19):
Think, yeah, oh look, absolutely imitations the sincerest form of flattery,
they say, And why wouldn't you when he's been so successful.
You talked about him, you know, mixing balancing family with
his work. But one of his family's at work, you know,
so what if you observed from him? Because I don't
know this to be true, but if I was coaching
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my son, I don't know how I would do that. Well,
how does he do it?
Speaker 5 (14:44):
I think the.
Speaker 4 (14:44):
Luckiest thing I haven't's got his son. Well, when I
say lucky, I mean in the day, I mean who
would It's just how it's happened. But Nathan's a great playmaker,
and you got the coach. So when the playmaker and
the coach discuss tactics, you know that you've got complete
buying and faith in the plane. And I haven't sitting
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there in the coaches box looking down and saying I'm
really comfort my son can do this and then and
I just feel like when Ivan talks, Nathan drives those
messages really well. Therefore everyone's got buying, everyone's going in
the same direction. So I think that's a real advantage
on it. I don't think Nathan's position in the teams
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have doubted, is he l When you coach your son
and you're not sure and you're like, I need to
be harder on it.
Speaker 5 (15:32):
Because everyone thinks I'm soft.
Speaker 4 (15:34):
I don't think I even has to do that does he
So he's really clear that he can just they can
have a great relationship still a father son relationship in
my opinion, Like you can definitely still see it. But yeah,
they they're both very introverted, so it's not like they're
on top of each other every day at work either,
but they they have an awesome relationship and I think
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it's a lot of trust. From a forty point of
view and a personal point of view.
Speaker 3 (15:59):
You're managing a wide variety of personalities among the young
men in your chart. What is your basic man management philosophy?
Speaker 4 (16:12):
Well, people's my thing, you know, That's why I want
to do the job, Like I enjoyed people. If I
if I had to cut vision, come up with tactics
and then pass it to somebody and then they go
deliver it and I don't even talk to that person,
I wouldn't enjoy it, just because that's the most exciting
part having an impact on someone's life and and you know,
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helping people grow and as a.
Speaker 5 (16:36):
Result everyone does.
Speaker 4 (16:39):
Yeah, my man management style is work with people, not
on top of them or against them. I'll rarely give
a spray, but I'm firm, so when I raise my
voice from I make a point.
Speaker 5 (16:53):
I feel like it's clear. Clarity is my whole thing. Sorry,
my voice is gone.
Speaker 4 (16:59):
But if you're clear and what your roles and expectations are,
and you feel like you have to say in something,
and you feel empowered and you feel belong love, then
you're going to excel.
Speaker 5 (17:08):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (17:09):
Absolutely. Are there philosophies that work across everybody? Or is
everyone really different from one another?
Speaker 4 (17:19):
I think if you treat people well and develop people
that are work in any environment doesn't mean you can't
be really brutally honest as well. But I think also too,
a toxic environment will only work for so long. Like
I've seen harsh, aggressive environments where they have short term
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goal gains, but long term they always fail. They fall
apart very quickly, but you can see a real spiking.
People are on their toes, people are worried. I better
be good at this otherwise this is going to happen.
Speaker 5 (17:54):
But you can't sustain The.
Speaker 3 (17:56):
Cam Georgian here last year and I asked them this question.
I ask you was well. I asked him whether he
thought a sporting franchise or any organization could survive dickhead.
He said no.
Speaker 4 (18:08):
Do you agree I think no dickad policy will always
give you a best chance of success, that's for sure.
I think the thing is sometimes if there's a guy
who's a bit rough around the edges, and you got
an amazing culture and establish one, then they could help
grow that person and do even better person. But if
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they're fundamentally deep down a dickhead and always going to
be one, then they don't there shouldn't be in your organization,
or if they are, they shouldn't be there for long.
Speaker 3 (18:39):
Players always talk about having a why. I'm sure coaches
do as well. You alluded to it before. I think
it's based around the people that you work with, the
men that you work alongside, those so you influence on
a day to day basis. Is that your why? Or
is it greater than that? Why do you do this?
Speaker 4 (18:56):
Well? I've got different ways now. I think your why
changes as you go. My why has not been I
want to be a head coach for any other reason,
And then I just feel like you want that feeling
of I think I'd be good at it. I feel
like if you enjoy your job and your rewards, then
you get that self satisfaction. I'm not in it for
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the pats on the back.
Speaker 5 (19:19):
If I'm being honest from everyone.
Speaker 4 (19:21):
Else's it's just like I would love to create an
environment where everyone loves coming to work and they can
be their best and succeed. And that is so self satisfy.
That is so satisfying to be a part of that
see other people.
Speaker 5 (19:33):
Grow, And that's just my thing. That's my wife.
Speaker 4 (19:37):
I love the game, like I generally love footy. I'd
be doing it for nothing, you know, in the old days.
I'm sure they all coach, you know, for no money,
But I'd be one of those guys, like I generally
love rugby league and I love people.
Speaker 5 (19:52):
But yeah, for my family as well, like for my.
Speaker 4 (19:57):
Mum and dad, my brother and sister and my wife,
my little boy, Like I'd like to making them proud
and one day they can see mom and dad always
Mum and dad always to say, if you find something
that you you're passionate about, you chase it and if
that becomes your job, you're pretty lucky. And I don't
know if enough people have that in their life. So
if I can teach my son that that, that'd.
Speaker 5 (20:15):
Be pretty cool.
Speaker 3 (20:17):
How do you how do you switch off?
Speaker 5 (20:22):
Quite easy?
Speaker 4 (20:23):
Got almost a two year old little boy walk in
the door. He's smiling at me or he's blowing up
at me. You got to do this, dad, come on more.
Speaker 5 (20:34):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (20:34):
And my wife like well, and my friends like I'm
a very social person, you know. We love going in
for lunched in those type of things. It's hard to
get a babysit, but we've got some great ones here
in Auckland that look after Max every time the time.
But just spending time with family friends.
Speaker 5 (20:53):
The big one for me.
Speaker 4 (20:54):
Has got the hobbies. I'd love to play golf more.
I don't do that enough, so I shouldn't even say
that anymore because I don't play.
Speaker 5 (21:00):
It's like I'm.
Speaker 4 (21:01):
Lying to all the all the all the listeners.
Speaker 3 (21:06):
A year.
Speaker 4 (21:07):
Yeah, how often do you play with it? Are twice
in two and a half years.
Speaker 5 (21:10):
Yeah, it's so very good. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (21:12):
And I love horse racing, yeah, not so much the
game inside of it.
Speaker 5 (21:15):
I love the.
Speaker 4 (21:17):
Tactical side, the breeding side of it. Yeah, that's really
that's a great distraction for me.
Speaker 3 (21:22):
All right, let's end back at the start where we
are now with a season stretching ahead of us. Yep,
I feel confident about twenty twenty five.
Speaker 5 (21:30):
Yeah, definitely.
Speaker 4 (21:31):
I think the biggest thing I've learned about creating our
own expectation on ourselves is yeah, it's boring, but done
look too far ahead. The reason why I talk about
that right now is we've been in this situation last year.
I think we lost the first round of the year,
we even lost the second, and then we went on sorry,
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we won the second, and then we went on a
run and we won.
Speaker 5 (21:53):
Like three or three or four in a row.
Speaker 4 (21:54):
And now this is our years. It's just so such
a marathon, you know. But we've been confident and confident
last year. We've been confidence since day one. But there's
certainly no confidence there and we're not taking anything for granted,
we've got so much work to do, but we'red a
group of players that they're all buying. You know, they
all care about this country, they care about the results.
Speaker 5 (22:16):
You know, they want to play for the Warriors. They
do their best.
Speaker 4 (22:19):
So yeah, if we can carry that on all year
and make sure we keep putting our energy in the
right stuff, then then we should have a good season.
Speaker 3 (22:27):
Last question is around the connection to your fans. Yep,
how important is that and how important are your fans
to you.
Speaker 4 (22:34):
Yeah, Well, getting back to the why a bit, like,
I'm an Australian. I came back to this club after
working here for two years ago, eight years ago, so
I had a connection here Ben, and I didn't want
to be a head coach at any club. I wanted
to be where I felt like I would fit and
for some reason, I feel like I fit here and
I hope that everyone feels the same.
Speaker 5 (22:56):
So then coming.
Speaker 4 (22:57):
Back then my wife was about, you know, I just
want to improve people and everyone to be happy, to
create a great environment that people can be the best.
And then for I know it, like I want the
fans to taste that success, but more like grand finals.
That's our goal, Like I can promise everyone that, but
the real goal is sustained success on the fans being
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proud of the way the boys play even when we're
not at our best, like and that's I feel like
last year we came thirteenth.
Speaker 5 (23:26):
But we sold it out every week.
Speaker 4 (23:28):
There were still they still saw effort, they still saw care.
They're still a sort of team that they wanted to
come and support. So yeah, they're part of my wide,
the fans, and you know, we're taking a game to
christ Church. In a couple of weeks we go to Australia,
were so well supported, Like we go I'm not going
to mention the teams. We go to away games and
we've got more fans in them sometimes like that's We're
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very proud of that as a club and I'm very
proud to be a part of it. So they're huge
for us.
Speaker 3 (23:53):
Yeah, definitely, Andrew, thanks for stopping and great to see
you know you're a busy man. All the best on
behalf of our audience for the rest of twenty twenty five.
Hope we can catch up again soon.
Speaker 4 (24:03):
No, thank you so much for having me and thanks
for everyone.
Speaker 3 (24:05):
No, thanks so for joining us. We'll be Andrew Webster,
the head coach of the Warriors. Great to get the
chance to spend an extended period of time with him.
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Speaker 2 (00:14):
Back to back victories for the Warriors here at twenty
twenty five hasn't been easy for the home team.
Speaker 3 (00:26):
And a real arm wrestle back to back indeed for
the Warriors after the loss to the Raiders first up
in Vegas. It's a great pleasure to welcome into the
news Talks EDB Studio Warriors head coach Andrew Webster. Andrew,
thank you so much for popping out. It's great to
see you. Thanks for spending some time with us. She
must come in as a pretty happy coach. I would
imagine with wins in the last two games against Manly
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and the Roosters, what have been the keys to those victories?
Speaker 4 (00:53):
I think definitely effort, scramble. Boys are scrambling for each other.
We I'm being perfect. I think we've actually conceded quite
a few line breaks, but we considered one try on
the weekend and there's so many o so close moments
for the opposition to score, and we found a way
to get there and have each other's back and stop them. Definitely,
our Kickchase. I think we're putting teams where we want
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them to start their sets from, which is applying a
lot of pressure, and then we're coming over the top
when it matters. So lots to and work on, Like
we no, I know where we need to be, but
at least we're got plenty of effort and we're working
hard for each other. If we've got that at the
end of the season and we start playing better, then
that'll be good.
Speaker 3 (01:32):
What happened in Vegas, No, we were poor.
Speaker 4 (01:34):
Like I can't put my finger on it. I think
I think it's a real lesson in Our preparation was
really good, but it's not as good as hit until,
like we came home the next week and our prep
was even better. We tried to keep the boys busy
in Vegas, just to keep them away.
Speaker 5 (01:51):
From all the distractions.
Speaker 4 (01:52):
But in hindsight, look, I don't have the answers, but
I just want to put a line through it and
hopefully I'll never going back to Vegas.
Speaker 3 (01:58):
I was going to ask that would you reconsider an
invitation to go back. It's a part of the NRLs strategy.
I think there was a lot of excitement, you know,
when the Warriors were selected as one of the teams
to go. I know the fans loved it. Would you
reconsider doing it again if you were invited?
Speaker 4 (02:14):
Definitely. I mean it's not my decision. Really, I didn't
get to say this time, and I'm sure I won't
get to say next time.
Speaker 5 (02:19):
But I'll support the concept.
Speaker 4 (02:21):
Like I'm glad that we did go and glad our
fans got to see us there. So like, yeah, if
they wanted us to go again and it made sense
for our fans, then we'll take that to that tough
carry for everyone, but yeah, there was lots of love
about Look, we got to see and do some things
that some of our boys will never get to do in.
Speaker 5 (02:41):
Their lives, you know.
Speaker 4 (02:42):
So rugby league takes you all around the world. But
we're just disappointed we didn't do it for all those
fans because we were so well supported. Everywhere you walked,
you just saw Warriors fans and then now it fell
like we let.
Speaker 5 (02:52):
Them down a bit.
Speaker 3 (02:53):
Let's talk about a couple of players. Your half's combo, Chanell, Harris, Tavita,
Luke Metcalfe. You've selected them for the first three games.
In fact, it's been the same seventeen for the first
three games. Yeah, which has been terrific. What do you
predict for Chanelle and Luke as the season goes on.
Speaker 4 (03:06):
I just think once they build that combination, they're going
to thrive. Otherwise we wouldn't have them there. And we've
got two great backups in to Mighty and Tanner Boyd
that at any time we could call on and they
do a fantastic job. They're playing really good football in
their own right and reserve great. At the moment, I
think these boys have had real glimpses of real good footing.
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I think Vegas we didn't give them opportunity to Raiders
to show what they could do.
Speaker 5 (03:31):
Off the bay the way we defended.
Speaker 4 (03:34):
But yeah, I just think like round two, you've got
to see Luke Enchanell really thrive at the back into
the game. And the same thing happened on the weekend.
Speaker 5 (03:42):
Like they want to.
Speaker 4 (03:43):
Improve things we'd like them to improve, but we're absolutely
wrapped with what they're achieving so far, particularly with their
kicking game, Like they're putting the oppositions right where we wanted.
Speaker 5 (03:52):
Like I said, so that's pretty cool.
Speaker 3 (03:54):
How challenging has it been for Luke Metcalfe to step
into the boots of a club legend like Shawn Johnson.
Speaker 4 (04:00):
You'd have to ask Luke. But on the surface, he
seems really cool. He seems he seems really calm about
what he wants to do, is excited for the next challenge,
he wants to rain. So what I've seen is a
guy who wants to improve every day. He knows what
he's good at. Yeah, I haven't noticed anything that it's
alarming or that he's struggling with the pressure. I think
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Sean got to play, you know, over two hundred games
of NRL Lukes early on in his career, so there
are different different ends of the spectrum.
Speaker 5 (04:33):
But yeah, I think Luke's handling the situation really well.
Speaker 3 (04:36):
And To Mighty played in the halfs quite a lot
last year. Are you still in your plans for twenty
twenty five.
Speaker 4 (04:41):
Yeah, it's going to take a squad to win this
if we want to win it, and some stage s
might is either going to force his way in there
or there's going to be an injury. And when he's
if he's ready, we've got a great, great guy in
Too Mighty to come in.
Speaker 5 (04:55):
Like I said, same as Tana Boyd. So no, I
think we're very blessed.
Speaker 4 (04:59):
There a lot of clubs love four halfbacks like we've got,
but you need them like they're so important for your depth.
And yeah, he's he's playing really good footing.
Speaker 3 (05:07):
Any updated time frame on Delan Wat he's leason the
ext return.
Speaker 4 (05:12):
No no, so Dylan, he goes back to the surgeon
this week, he gets the I think it's the wire.
Don't hold me to that wire or screw out this week,
and then that just basically starts working on how he
can get his strength and his range back and then
we'll know more. But I think that round tens the
plan at this stage.
Speaker 3 (05:29):
From a wider point of view, they always say that
you shouldn't ride the highest too high or the lows
too low, And you always strike me as being very level. Yeah,
before a game, during a game, after a game, win
or lose, how do you manage your emotions, particularly after
a defeat.
Speaker 4 (05:44):
I think the only pressure I put on is put
the pressure from myself. I mean, That's what I mean
by that is, I don't listen to the outside noise.
I only care about the people in our four war.
So I think when you have high expectations, which I do,
I want to win and be successful. They're only my expectation,
not somebody else's. When you're trying to meet someone else's,
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that's when you have fear of loss, or you start
changing who you are and you start getting emotional and
you start losing a little bit.
Speaker 5 (06:14):
And I'm not perfect with that either.
Speaker 4 (06:16):
Like trust me, I think the camera is pretty kind
to me during the game. There's a few moments there
were I'm yelling and screaming, but yeah, just on the surface,
like good examples around one Vegas. At the end of
the day, I was disappointed because of the occasion, but
I just looked at it is round one. There's a
long way to go, a weekend, maybe leagues a long time.
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If we win next game, you know, there's the confidence
that we can build on that. So yeah, I just
look at it, probably a bit different than most people.
Speaker 3 (06:45):
And it's between your four walls, and that's obviously the
best way to do it. You know, you're in a
sinct of the people you trust. Do you stew on defeat?
Speaker 5 (06:53):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (06:54):
Yeah, it hurts like it hurts deep down, Like when
I say deep down, like it doesn't leave until you
make it right. Even like some losses in my life
that I just think, you know, as a player, when
I was playing under seventh Grand Final to now like
they hurt, they hurt less every day, but they're still there.
And yeah, everyone wants to win. I hate losing, but
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you've got to get over yourself and you got to
get over what the occasion.
Speaker 5 (07:20):
But sometimes it doesn't hurt.
Speaker 4 (07:22):
Let it sit with you for a bit so you
never want to go back there. But yeah, no, I
struggled just as much as anyone with losing.
Speaker 3 (07:30):
But Mondays must be a hicck of a lot nice
around the playing group as well. When you get to win.
I can imagine these boys bounding it on a Monday
after all winner, is that the case?
Speaker 4 (07:38):
Well, when you play Friday nights, which we have last
two and you'll win, we do a review on Saturday
in a recovery session and they bounce in tired, sore,
but they've got a smile on their face, and then
they get a day and a half off and bounce
back in Monday. So I've certainly lost them Friday night
and the rest of the weekend doesn't feel the same.
Speaker 5 (07:56):
But the boys are in a good mood at the moment.
Speaker 3 (07:59):
Twenty twenty three was an exceptional year for you. Twenty
twenty four not so much.
Speaker 5 (08:03):
Yep.
Speaker 3 (08:04):
What was different last year?
Speaker 4 (08:08):
Well, the results. We obviously we're like we finished thirteenth
as opposed to fourth. We had a lot of injuries,
but I still didn't believe even if we had everyone available,
still didn't think we would have achieved what we wanted
to achieve. So I certainly think we would have improved.
But the big thing for me is I assumed a
couple of things. If I'm being honest, I thought that
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we practice hard, we'll fit.
Speaker 5 (08:31):
We worked at our game.
Speaker 4 (08:32):
There was always a focus, Like I said, getting back
to expectation. Everyone was talking about the external noise of
the nation, and everyone thinks we can win the camp.
It was more our own expectations. We were hungry for it,
we wanted to want it, and when we didn't reach
those expectations, you could see that we didn't get over
it well and everyone started to struggle with that moment,
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and therefore we didn't defend our.
Speaker 5 (08:56):
Trial line or we carried that moment on.
Speaker 4 (08:58):
So I think we've done really well so far this
year that when that moment comes, we get over it
quick and we move on and we still had expectations
and standards, but we don't have as much anxiety around them.
Speaker 3 (09:11):
You lost some big players eat of this season, Shawn Johnson,
We mentioned Tall who Harris in particular. Those two guys,
what kind of hole do they leave, not just on
the field, but around the playing group.
Speaker 4 (09:22):
Yeah, I just think every hole that's left, someone feels it.
Like it's a cliche, but like you do not lead
and do not have the space to lead in this
Dominant figures like Tahu and Sean to Who's greatest strength
is that he gives space for other people to lead.
Shawn's greatest strength is he's dominant. He's a halfback, he
should be. But at same stage Sewan's he's a team guy,
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you know. But they definitely leave a hole, and then
you see people.
Speaker 5 (09:48):
Step up and want that.
Speaker 4 (09:50):
So yeah, it's I don't know. I look at it
from an optimistic point of view that whilst we miss
them and we'd love to have them around, we've got
guys like Luke Metcalfe've got a guy like Aaron Clark
who's come come back home and he's got an opportunity
to step up in that space, and you can just
see if he's playing grate footy.
Speaker 3 (10:09):
Do Ta Who and Sean and others who have left
the playing groups still have a contribution to make.
Speaker 4 (10:16):
I think they will for the rest of their lives
if they want to, and I think they will if
we allow them to. Simon Mannering's always welcome. Dean bellis
the first Captain's welcome. So I definitely think toy and
Sean been recent.
Speaker 5 (10:30):
Retired and being such good players.
Speaker 4 (10:32):
I mean we had toy Who around the week leading
up Tears kind of his fellwell, which we had in
the mainly game, and Sewan's been at training a few times,
so yeah, and Sean's going to do some work with
our younger players.
Speaker 5 (10:45):
So like they definitely have a big, big part to play.
Speaker 4 (10:48):
It's it's just making sure they feel welcome, which they are,
and just making sure hopefully when they're eighty they're still
having that in some form.
Speaker 3 (10:58):
I'm sure James, I'll be dead by having a contribution,
and I'm sure you'll still be around, James Busha Harris, yep.
Can you talk to us a bit about his influence
on the side, what you've seen from him since his arrival.
Speaker 4 (11:10):
Yeah, I think our standards improved from him just walking
through the door.
Speaker 5 (11:14):
I just think.
Speaker 4 (11:16):
For even said a word. I think players saw the
way he played the hurd, his reputation, some of our
boys playing Kiwi's with him and Maldi's, and they knew, okay,
these are the standards, and they didn't want to let
him down or they wanted to be part of that.
So I think our intensity of training improved straight away,
and I think Fish definitely drove that by his obviously
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his actions. We've got a guy on Mitch Barnett who's
also very good at that. Already he's exceptional and hence
why they're co captains.
Speaker 5 (11:46):
But then when.
Speaker 4 (11:49):
Mitch has an ally in Fish and both are both
are training like that, then everyone's everyone's got.
Speaker 5 (11:55):
To lift their standards.
Speaker 3 (11:56):
Because it was talk when James Fisher Haerris came in
that he might be given the captaincy. You might choose
him as your as your captain.
Speaker 5 (12:02):
Yep.
Speaker 3 (12:03):
Was there a reluctance to do that because it might
have just added more to his plate yep?
Speaker 4 (12:08):
Yeah, and James notics. We've had good conversations. I had
no plans on making him captain, just from he wanted
to come here and I prove I didn't want him
to feel like he was our savior. We're going to
put added pressure on his back. But then also I
was also aware of last year how good Mitch's leadership
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skills were, and what when Tau got injured, how he lifted,
and what he created for the team. And then when
I saw Fish arrive and I saw Mitch doing what
he's doing, and they were doing stuff together, And also
a bit of Yin and yang, which is very loud
and emotional. James is very quiet, but when he talks,
everyone stops. So I just thought he's a perfect.
Speaker 5 (12:53):
Example of ying and yang.
Speaker 4 (12:54):
But like my marriage, and I thought it'd be perfect
for them and for the team and for the nation.
So they just made a great fit. And then I
spoke to James.
Speaker 5 (13:04):
Look, I wasn't going to do this.
Speaker 4 (13:05):
I didn't think it would work, but I think it
would be perfect for us.
Speaker 5 (13:08):
Do you want it?
Speaker 4 (13:09):
And he wanted it, and I've really spoken to Mitch
and they both wanted to do it together.
Speaker 3 (13:15):
Ivan Cleary a guy you worked with at Penrith. You
know him well, no doubt, you still have a little
bit to do with him. How much of an influence.
Has Ivan Cleary been on you a huge Yeah?
Speaker 4 (13:27):
I mean I haven't. Obviously, I've learned a lot of
stuff about rugby league. I've obviously learned a lot of
things how you carry yourself. The biggest thing from my
Ivan is I've never seen a guy have such a
good balance between working hard and family. And I think
his family values then transfer into his work values. So
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he treats his players like that, he's family his staff.
It's big on connection and everyone being close together and
wanting to come to work every day just creates a
great environment. I learned a lot about that, and I
fell out they're close to my values as well, which
is cool. The big thing I haven'ts taught me is
you can't copy and paste. You've always got to be
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your authentic self. So not necessarily everything he does is
going to work for me or for the next coach.
But a bloody learn a lot from him, you know,
so I've got to copy if you.
Speaker 3 (14:19):
Think, yeah, oh look, absolutely imitations the sincerest form of flattery,
they say, And why wouldn't you when he's been so successful.
You talked about him, you know, mixing balancing family with
his work. But one of his family's at work, you know,
so what if you observed from him? Because I don't
know this to be true, but if I was coaching
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my son, I don't know how I would do that. Well,
how does he do it?
Speaker 5 (14:44):
I think the.
Speaker 4 (14:44):
Luckiest thing I haven't's got his son. Well, when I
say lucky, I mean in the day, I mean who
would It's just how it's happened. But Nathan's a great playmaker,
and you got the coach. So when the playmaker and
the coach discuss tactics, you know that you've got complete
buying and faith in the plane. And I haven't sitting
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there in the coaches box looking down and saying I'm
really comfort my son can do this and then and
I just feel like when Ivan talks, Nathan drives those
messages really well. Therefore everyone's got buying, everyone's going in
the same direction. So I think that's a real advantage
on it. I don't think Nathan's position in the teams
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have doubted, is he l When you coach your son
and you're not sure and you're like, I need to
be harder on it.
Speaker 5 (15:32):
Because everyone thinks I'm soft.
Speaker 4 (15:34):
I don't think I even has to do that does he
So he's really clear that he can just they can
have a great relationship still a father son relationship in
my opinion, Like you can definitely still see it. But yeah,
they they're both very introverted, so it's not like they're
on top of each other every day at work either,
but they they have an awesome relationship and I think
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it's a lot of trust. From a forty point of
view and a personal point of view.
Speaker 3 (15:59):
You're managing a wide variety of personalities among the young
men in your chart. What is your basic man management philosophy?
Speaker 4 (16:12):
Well, people's my thing, you know, That's why I want
to do the job, Like I enjoyed people. If I
if I had to cut vision, come up with tactics
and then pass it to somebody and then they go
deliver it and I don't even talk to that person,
I wouldn't enjoy it, just because that's the most exciting
part having an impact on someone's life and and you know,
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helping people grow and as a.
Speaker 5 (16:36):
Result everyone does.
Speaker 4 (16:39):
Yeah, my man management style is work with people, not
on top of them or against them. I'll rarely give
a spray, but I'm firm, so when I raise my
voice from I make a point.
Speaker 5 (16:53):
I feel like it's clear. Clarity is my whole thing. Sorry,
my voice is gone.
Speaker 4 (16:59):
But if you're clear and what your roles and expectations are,
and you feel like you have to say in something,
and you feel empowered and you feel belong love, then
you're going to excel.
Speaker 5 (17:08):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (17:09):
Absolutely. Are there philosophies that work across everybody? Or is
everyone really different from one another?
Speaker 4 (17:19):
I think if you treat people well and develop people
that are work in any environment doesn't mean you can't
be really brutally honest as well. But I think also too,
a toxic environment will only work for so long. Like
I've seen harsh, aggressive environments where they have short term
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goal gains, but long term they always fail. They fall
apart very quickly, but you can see a real spiking.
People are on their toes, people are worried. I better
be good at this otherwise this is going to happen.
Speaker 5 (17:54):
But you can't sustain The.
Speaker 3 (17:56):
Cam Georgian here last year and I asked them this question.
I ask you was well. I asked him whether he
thought a sporting franchise or any organization could survive dickhead.
He said no.
Speaker 4 (18:08):
Do you agree I think no dickad policy will always
give you a best chance of success, that's for sure.
I think the thing is sometimes if there's a guy
who's a bit rough around the edges, and you got
an amazing culture and establish one, then they could help
grow that person and do even better person. But if
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they're fundamentally deep down a dickhead and always going to
be one, then they don't there shouldn't be in your organization,
or if they are, they shouldn't be there for long.
Speaker 3 (18:39):
Players always talk about having a why. I'm sure coaches
do as well. You alluded to it before. I think
it's based around the people that you work with, the
men that you work alongside, those so you influence on
a day to day basis. Is that your why? Or
is it greater than that? Why do you do this?
Speaker 4 (18:56):
Well? I've got different ways now. I think your why
changes as you go. My why has not been I
want to be a head coach for any other reason,
And then I just feel like you want that feeling
of I think I'd be good at it. I feel
like if you enjoy your job and your rewards, then
you get that self satisfaction. I'm not in it for
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the pats on the back.
Speaker 5 (19:19):
If I'm being honest from everyone.
Speaker 4 (19:21):
Else's it's just like I would love to create an
environment where everyone loves coming to work and they can
be their best and succeed. And that is so self satisfy.
That is so satisfying to be a part of that
see other people.
Speaker 5 (19:33):
Grow, And that's just my thing. That's my wife.
Speaker 4 (19:37):
I love the game, like I generally love footy. I'd
be doing it for nothing, you know, in the old days.
I'm sure they all coach, you know, for no money,
But I'd be one of those guys, like I generally
love rugby league and I love people.
Speaker 5 (19:52):
But yeah, for my family as well, like for my.
Speaker 4 (19:57):
Mum and dad, my brother and sister and my wife,
my little boy, Like I'd like to making them proud
and one day they can see mom and dad always
Mum and dad always to say, if you find something
that you you're passionate about, you chase it and if
that becomes your job, you're pretty lucky. And I don't
know if enough people have that in their life. So
if I can teach my son that that, that'd.
Speaker 5 (20:15):
Be pretty cool.
Speaker 3 (20:17):
How do you how do you switch off?
Speaker 5 (20:22):
Quite easy?
Speaker 4 (20:23):
Got almost a two year old little boy walk in
the door. He's smiling at me or he's blowing up
at me. You got to do this, dad, come on more.
Speaker 5 (20:34):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (20:34):
And my wife like well, and my friends like I'm
a very social person, you know. We love going in
for lunched in those type of things. It's hard to
get a babysit, but we've got some great ones here
in Auckland that look after Max every time the time.
But just spending time with family friends.
Speaker 5 (20:53):
The big one for me.
Speaker 4 (20:54):
Has got the hobbies. I'd love to play golf more.
I don't do that enough, so I shouldn't even say
that anymore because I don't play.
Speaker 5 (21:00):
It's like I'm.
Speaker 4 (21:01):
Lying to all the all the all the listeners.
Speaker 3 (21:06):
A year.
Speaker 4 (21:07):
Yeah, how often do you play with it? Are twice
in two and a half years.
Speaker 5 (21:10):
Yeah, it's so very good. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (21:12):
And I love horse racing, yeah, not so much the
game inside of it.
Speaker 5 (21:15):
I love the.
Speaker 4 (21:17):
Tactical side, the breeding side of it. Yeah, that's really
that's a great distraction for me.
Speaker 3 (21:22):
All right, let's end back at the start where we
are now with a season stretching ahead of us. Yep,
I feel confident about twenty twenty five.
Speaker 5 (21:30):
Yeah, definitely.
Speaker 4 (21:31):
I think the biggest thing I've learned about creating our
own expectation on ourselves is yeah, it's boring, but done
look too far ahead. The reason why I talk about
that right now is we've been in this situation last year.
I think we lost the first round of the year,
we even lost the second, and then we went on sorry,
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we won the second, and then we went on a
run and we won.
Speaker 5 (21:53):
Like three or three or four in a row.
Speaker 4 (21:54):
And now this is our years. It's just so such
a marathon, you know. But we've been confident and confident
last year. We've been confidence since day one. But there's
certainly no confidence there and we're not taking anything for granted,
we've got so much work to do, but we'red a
group of players that they're all buying. You know, they
all care about this country, they care about the results.
Speaker 5 (22:16):
You know, they want to play for the Warriors. They
do their best.
Speaker 4 (22:19):
So yeah, if we can carry that on all year
and make sure we keep putting our energy in the
right stuff, then then we should have a good season.
Speaker 3 (22:27):
Last question is around the connection to your fans. Yep,
how important is that and how important are your fans
to you.
Speaker 4 (22:34):
Yeah, Well, getting back to the why a bit, like,
I'm an Australian. I came back to this club after
working here for two years ago, eight years ago, so
I had a connection here Ben, and I didn't want
to be a head coach at any club. I wanted
to be where I felt like I would fit and
for some reason, I feel like I fit here and
I hope that everyone feels the same.
Speaker 5 (22:56):
So then coming.
Speaker 4 (22:57):
Back then my wife was about, you know, I just
want to improve people and everyone to be happy, to
create a great environment that people can be the best.
And then for I know it, like I want the
fans to taste that success, but more like grand finals.
That's our goal, Like I can promise everyone that, but
the real goal is sustained success on the fans being
(23:19):
proud of the way the boys play even when we're
not at our best, like and that's I feel like
last year we came thirteenth.
Speaker 5 (23:26):
But we sold it out every week.
Speaker 4 (23:28):
There were still they still saw effort, they still saw care.
They're still a sort of team that they wanted to
come and support. So yeah, they're part of my wide,
the fans, and you know, we're taking a game to
christ Church. In a couple of weeks we go to Australia,
were so well supported, Like we go I'm not going
to mention the teams. We go to away games and
we've got more fans in them sometimes like that's We're
(23:49):
very proud of that as a club and I'm very
proud to be a part of it. So they're huge
for us.
Speaker 3 (23:53):
Yeah, definitely, Andrew, thanks for stopping and great to see
you know you're a busy man. All the best on
behalf of our audience for the rest of twenty twenty five.
Hope we can catch up again soon.
Speaker 4 (24:03):
No, thank you so much for having me and thanks
for everyone.
Speaker 3 (24:05):
No, thanks so for joining us. We'll be Andrew Webster,
the head coach of the Warriors. Great to get the
chance to spend an extended period of time with him.
Speaker 1 (24:13):
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