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June 28, 2025 11 mins

This week, Piney was joined by the one-and-only James McOnie—broadcaster, wordsmith, and master of the perfectly timed zinger—for a rollicking ride through the world of rugby and rugby league.

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Speaker 1 (00:06):
You're listening to the Weekend Sport podcast with Jason Vine
from News Talks B.

Speaker 2 (00:12):
News Talk B two twenty seven. Part of our Sundays
is James mcconnie. I like the way you came into
the studio at one forty for your regular slot and
saw Razor and tried to kick him out.

Speaker 3 (00:21):
I did. I was saying, this is my time raiser,
You've got all season to impress everybody. Get out, and
then it was a bit of a tussle. I guess,
a bit of a wrestle. All the moves felt legal
until I started gouging in a certain places and then yeah,
it ended with a hopawadi. But the thing is, like
I was, I was happy to hear what he had
to say, and I actually really liked what he was.

(00:43):
He's really good with the people. I think he's got
a job Piney when he retires from coaching. He could
do this, couldn't he?

Speaker 2 (00:49):
Absolutely he could. And I mean, you know there's there's
people you get in here and they say, hey, we're
going to take some calls, and two things happen one
oh no, no, No, I'd rather not just you and
I just chat, or we're going to take some calls
and nobody calls four boarder calls the whole time. And look,
he's the All Black coach, of course he is. But
he's got an ability to connect with people.

Speaker 3 (01:09):
Right, yeah, exactly. And I mean I think Raiser is
actually playing chess and other people are playing checkers at
the moment, because I know that there are a lot
of Crusaders fans, Cannarby fans phoning up and kind of
in a way saying, you know, there's too many Chiefs,
not enough Ethans, and but Ethan will come back. I
think Ethan blackead it, even though he's got the medical

(01:30):
condition at the moment. Like if he didn't have that
and the All Blacks were playing South Africa in a
big knockout game, I think Ethan Blackheader would have been selected.
So we have to look at the squad as slightly experimental, yep.

Speaker 2 (01:42):
And look much as I'll say, they'll play what's in
front of them, every player, and that squad's going to
play against France, aren't they. This isn't a situation where
they need to, you know, lock this series up and play.
You know, only twenty eight of these thirty three everybody's
getting a game right, So we're going to see six
debuts basically pretty much.

Speaker 3 (01:57):
And the other thing that what Rais has done, and
it's only taken a year to sort of work this out,
is that you actually need to focus on turnovers. It's
such a big part of knockout rugby big games, turnovers
are crucial. And you look at South Africa. Everyone out
there right now in their car at home is thinking
Malcolm Marx Quackersmith. We know how dangerous they are, so
we watch them do that to us every single time,

(02:18):
and we've got nothing in retaliation to that. So what
Rais has done and by getting Tabatov and Nahai who
won the ACC we called Tabatava turnover, and you've got
dupless Kadifi. They are the best statistically by Miles and
I reckon it's taken all Blecks coaches way too long
to recognize this. Hanson was lucky because you had McCaw
who was the best at it, but also your best player.

(02:38):
So it's a cheat code. You've got all in one,
a one stop shop once you lose mccor where is
it all coming from. I know sam Kin was a
really good player, but I'm talking about off the bench
impact turnovers. They Hanson and Foster just ignored it. And
I reckon, it's a massive part because we go to
every World Cup and we go, oh no, they turned
over the ball at crucial time. How did that happen?

(03:00):
Well is because the other team think about it. All
our opponents that are thinking about that day and night.

Speaker 2 (03:05):
So do you reckon? We can set out watch to
around that sixty minute mark in a couple of these
test matches, look over and see Tava Tava, Nahai and Khalif.
Are you ready to come on and do exactly that?

Speaker 3 (03:14):
Exactly that? And I mean look Quackersmith, if he played
in Super Rugby, he might not start either, but Russi,
Russmus would still pick him. You know, that's the fact
he's not getting in ahead of Dalton Papaa, Luke Jacobson,
you know at all. Even Tom Christy would probably get
picked ahead of Quaker. But he is coming on to
make an impact and that is what rugby has become.
New Zealand coaches have taken way too long to recognize that.

(03:36):
But interestingly, Razers started talking about wingers with absolute pace
who aren't the biggest athletes, And I think that's the
other area where we need to have a massive sea
change in New Zealand rugby around the world. Louis bil Bali,
the Frenchman, he's absolutely lightning, you know chess and Colby
has been man in the match in a World Cup
and he's still men in the match last night against

(03:57):
the Barbarians. And then you've got mack Hanson. He is
so skinny, that guy. He's into cliff top diving as well.
Mack Hanson the Irish and Lions, and you can see
why he's built like a javelin he is.

Speaker 2 (04:09):
He is just on the back three and you might
have heard raisers say they want to be four deep
in every position. I don't reckon we're four deep on
the wings. Do you know?

Speaker 3 (04:18):
That's the big area. And I think you could tell
somebody was probing him, someone from Hawk's Bay. Did they
probe them? Yeah, I've been probed by some of them
from Hawk's Bay. But the thing is it actually does
He did reveal that Leroy Carter was in the mix,
but I think Caleb tangy Tail was the one that
he really had a good look at. Yep, and he
got injured. And I reckon if he played the whole
season and played the same way. He would be the

(04:39):
one coming in. But elite pace. You look around the place,
we don't have a BLBVE.

Speaker 2 (04:45):
No, you're right, Actually we don't do it.

Speaker 3 (04:46):
No, we don't. Or it's than Colby.

Speaker 2 (04:49):
No. I'd listen to a podcast with Nick Gill, the
All Black strength and conditioning coach, during the week and
he said, the fastest guy on the team's Rico Yuani.

Speaker 3 (04:57):
Yes, well that's the thing. Rico has still got elite wheels.
But do you know what also happens? And everybody who
follows first fifteen rugby will at a high level, will
know this. The NRL scouts are here and they're taking
our quick guys. You know County Cane whoever, he's on
the Gold Coast now. So that is the other problem
is that those little quick guys League are not afraid

(05:17):
of them because I've always had those guys in their team.
And now with Rugby starting to say actually we need
that because, like Razor says, if you've got that extra
bit of pace, it just creates opportunities.

Speaker 2 (05:27):
Now the British and Irish lines have arrived in Australia.
They played the Western Force last night. Did you have
a look at this?

Speaker 3 (05:32):
I did look at the Lions and I love watching
the lines and they almost like a bit like the
Maori All Blacks. They kind of do like to chuck
it around a bit. And so even in their first
game of second game really but their first game in Australia,
they just they are expensive, they're exciting to watch. I
felt sorry for the halfback Thomas Williams pulled a hammy

(05:54):
doing an incredible dive for a try, so you don't
want to do that early in the tour. But one
thing I did notice is that Henry Pollock is absolute
box office. The twenty year old from Northampton. He's a
loose forward. If you haven't watched them play, you need
to watch him because he is just he's so exciting
that when you think could the game change and bring
someone like that that into the into the mix. And

(06:16):
I think when the Test team is named, he'll be
in the twenty three, but maybe on the bench. Ye.

Speaker 2 (06:20):
Other sporting matters from yesterday, the Warriors, for the first
time this year didn't back up a loss with a win,
so back to back losses Panthers Broncos two good teams
Luke Metcalfe. Man, if he's out for the season, what
does that do to the Warriors' chances?

Speaker 3 (06:35):
Well, it hurts them, but Tanner Boyd we're lucky. So
he was the Gold Coast half back last year. He's
been signed and he's ready, he's rearing to go. He's
been playing really well at New South Wales Cup level
and or End Cup as they call it, and so
he's he's up to the task. But what you lose
with Luke metcalf is he is actually probably one of

(06:56):
the top line breakers in the Warriors and in the
in the competition and even last night because he saw
his knee was a little bit strapped too. I think
line breaks was one of the stats where the Broncos
absolutely killed us. The other one was stupid penalties from
the referees, but we're not allowed to say that because
as soon as you question their integrity you get old
Bill Harrigan on the line. But there was some There

(07:17):
was a shocker. There was it with Wade Egan when
he he did try to milk it but he was
getting pushed as he was playing the ball and that's it.
That's a penalty all day.

Speaker 2 (07:24):
The other one was when was it Adam Reynolds was
or Ryce waltzh was chasing after a kick he was
off side, Yeah, got taken out, but the they got
the penalty, but he's off side.

Speaker 3 (07:36):
Yeah, so what's he doing going downtown? Well, I mean
that's the thing. They allow it and it's a different rule.
But in rugby, you were you're not allowed to advance
at all, and so that's that. There are a few
anomalies that pop up, but I think the Warriors again,
it's it's really sad Ali. Lad Tower is out with
an ankle surgery for five or six weeks, so we're
missing strike power. But even just looking at Roger two

(07:59):
of us to go back to fullback, it's kind of
like that every cloud has a silver lining because if
he goes to fullback, he'll touch the ball.

Speaker 2 (08:04):
A bit more and she just on knees when chance
nikol Kluksta went off when when he got landed, man,
that did not look good. No, that did not look
good at all. Hey under nineteen tall blacks. I enjoyed this.
I watched this on YouTube last night. They beat Argentina
in the first game at the World Cup.

Speaker 3 (08:20):
They did and this is massive like you think about
Argentinian teams and they've always been good. And obviously we
know about Manu Ginobii and the legacy in the NBA.
But there's two players to I guess have a lookout for.
One is because he's son of a legend, Hayden Jones,
son of Phil Jones, and he was in there crashing
the glass just like is not really a Phil Jones player.
He's driving to the hoop and just you know, he's

(08:42):
way more aggressive than his daddy.

Speaker 2 (08:43):
Just just add on three point lines. Where's Phil?

Speaker 3 (08:47):
I had to find him? And then Jackson Ball, he's
been making headlines if you're into the NBL. He's been
playing in Hawk's Bay, scoring forty point games and all
this kind of crazy stuff. But he's going to Wisconsin possibly,
and Wisconsin, even though it's famous for that seventies show,
also famous for very good basketball, is in a very
good basketball program. So I think if he goes there,
it's because he will get minutes. And both of those

(09:09):
guys could make the NBA.

Speaker 2 (09:11):
I think he's still year twelve. Jackson Ball, Yeah, he's
not even a seventh former yet, it's right.

Speaker 3 (09:15):
So in the New Zealand NBL, which has imports from
America and people from Australia and all sorts in there.
He is dominating. Incredible, that's how good he is.

Speaker 2 (09:24):
Yeah, so good. Hey, just to finish Auckland City FC
your home a one old draw with Boca Juniors. Had
Gordon Watson, their general manager, on the show yesterday. Pretty
significant given the results in the first couple of games.

Speaker 3 (09:34):
It is. It's a huge comeback and turn around. Christian Gray.
What a name? Fifty Shades of Navy?

Speaker 1 (09:40):
Is it?

Speaker 3 (09:40):
They play in? But they he scored a really good
goal and Boca can't complain. But what's happened is that
their main rivals, Boca Junior is obviously a massive name
in football, but their main rivals River Plate equally big name.
They are so excited about Auckland City. They're singing, they're
singing chants. The composing chants are online. I don't really

(10:01):
speak Spanish, but they're singing Auckland City chants in Buenos Aire's,
Argentina to celebrate what they've done to Bocca Juniors by
knocking them out. And so if you can get some
merchandise or some Auckland City flags to Argentina. You'll make
a killing, absolutely right.

Speaker 2 (10:18):
Wonderfulty have you here?

Speaker 3 (10:19):
Mate?

Speaker 2 (10:19):
Are you to revert back to the original that your
original normal time slot next week or do you prefer this.

Speaker 3 (10:26):
Well, I mean, I mean being bumped by Rayser. It's
not the worst thing that's happened to me, but obviously
it did feel like a bit of an our for
play and I'm sorry for the tussle and I'll tidy up.
There's a few mics knocked around, but it was just playful, Okay,
That's what happened. It was like more Greco Roman than anything.
It was.

Speaker 2 (10:42):
It was it never really seemed to sort of degenerate
into anything more serious than that. We'll get you back
at one forty next Sunday. Make great to see you.

Speaker 3 (10:49):
Cheers, Thanks Bony.

Speaker 2 (10:49):
James mcconey part of our Sundays normally one forty today
two forty because of Rais and I think that's probably
the only reason that we would bump the great Man.

Speaker 1 (10:57):
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