Full Show Podcast: 15 November 2025

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cricket and specifically our domestic T twenty competition moves are
underway to investigate how domestic T twenty cricket might be

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revamped here in New Zealand to attract better crowds and
better prepare our players for international T twenty cricket. One
idea gaining traction as a franchise based T twenty league,
similar to what exists in most other Tier IE cricket nations.
Former black Caps and Northern Districts all round to Anton
Devsitch is going to chat to us shortly then, I

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MB moves are underway to investigate how domestic T twenty
cricket might be revamped here in New Zealand. New Zealand
Cricket have asked consultants Deloitte to analyze potential options for
the future of twenty twenty cricket in this country. Among
the suggestions being put forward are a franchise based T

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twenty League, similar to what exists in most other Tier
one cricket nations, a New Zealand team entering the Australian
Big Bash competition, or a refresh and reinvigoration of our
current Super Smash competition. All Rounder Anton Devsitch enjoyed a
long and successful domestic career with Northern Districts, represented New

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Zealand in both white ball formats and played a huge
amount of T twenty cricket, including time in the Australian
Big Bash, the Caribbean Premier League and Pakistan Super League,
as well as our own Super Smash competition. Anton Devsitch
is with us. Anton. Thanks for your time this afternoon.
First of all, does our domestic T twenty comp need

(04:58):
a revamp?

Speaker 4 (05:00):
Yeah, it's a good question.

Speaker 5 (05:03):
It's a tough one.

Speaker 6 (05:05):
I mean, I think it's quality of the games and
stuff are really good in terms of the standard of
play and all those things. I think the one thing
that it probably struggles to attract is as big numbers
at the games, and I guess that's a number of factors.
Scheduling times, you know, all those things that come into

(05:27):
it can affect that. Yeah, But in terms in terms
of the cricket itself, I think it's you know, compared
to the other competitions. Personally, I didn't find a massive
difference between the standard. It was more so just different
styles that that different teams played.

Speaker 3 (05:43):
What's your view on the super Smash and how good
a job it does of preparing our players for international
T twenty cricket.

Speaker 2 (05:54):
Yeah, yeah, it has its place.

Speaker 5 (05:59):
I think.

Speaker 6 (05:59):
I think the thing that it probably lacks is the
variety of players. You know, when you get into the
international stage and you're playing the likes of ash Pakistan
and Sri Lanka, who who tend to produce unique cricketers,
let's say, in the way they play the game.

Speaker 2 (06:18):
We're a little bit shouted by that.

Speaker 6 (06:19):
We're very traditional with the way we play the game
with T twenty cricket, and with the domestic competition structured
the way it is, we tend to be playing the
same players week and week out, so we know them
like the back of our hand. So in that sense,
I think, I think it prepares players, but not necessarily

(06:39):
prepares them for international cricket with a variety of different
styles of players that they're about to come up against.

Speaker 3 (06:46):
What a franchise based T twenty league in New Zealand work, you.

Speaker 7 (06:53):
Are, Oh, I'm not entirely sure.

Speaker 6 (06:57):
I think you know it, depending on how structured and
stuff like that. From minus standing, one of the big
big things is the time time difference and the time
zones that the competition will be played in. And let's
say India, for example, who i'd imagine would be a
large market if you played like a two or three o'clock.

(07:19):
Three o'clock game, for example, it's probably mid morning over there.

Speaker 8 (07:22):
So I'm not sure how valuable it would.

Speaker 6 (07:25):
Be in terms of commercial commercial the commercial side, So
and it just it would also depend on how they
structured structured the teams with a year allowed overseas players,
how many of you allowed all those types of things.

Speaker 3 (07:41):
By the sounds of one of the proposals or the
proposal I've heard, it would be three overseas players per
team and the rest would be New Zealand players. So
if that was the guideline, how much of a success
or the success would rely on quality players being attracted here?

Speaker 2 (08:01):
Yeah, well quite us.

Speaker 6 (08:02):
With the quality players being with them coming to the competition,
you're going to have to fork out for the man.
They're not going to come for small money like they
did back in the day when when the Champions League
was there, you know, about seven or eight years ago,
when the Champions League competition was still around. The carrot

(08:24):
of going to the Champions League and earning really good
money if you did well was enough to get some
really high quality players over But without that and schedules
and competing with the Big Bash in that time zone
that same time of the year, sorry, in the December
January period, the money would have to would have to
be quite significantly boosted, I'd imagine.

Speaker 3 (08:46):
And outside of the money, how attractive a proposition do
you think a month of cricket and the New Zealand
summer would be to an overseas player, given you know
that the other things on off, they hear a safe
place to bring their family if they wanted to that
sort of thing.

Speaker 6 (08:59):
Oh, absolutely, you know that that's a huge attraction. Yeah,
no one ever says a bad word about their time
in New Zealand and put the people of New Zealand
look after, look after whoever whoever's over here, and they
can kind of escape from It's so we're talking about
a bigger nam player, or we're a bigger in this player.

(09:21):
You can kind of escape and do normal things without
being tested by the public. So i'd imagine it be.
You know, there would be an element of doing that
as well.

Speaker 3 (09:32):
When you were playing in the various franchise competitions that
you did, did you always feel financially secure?

Speaker 6 (09:39):
Not particularly, particularly when you had to New Zealand Cricket.
They had the rule where if you weren't available for
the Super Smash itself, you weren't you weren't allowed to
take a contract, which which which Now that I'm out
of the game and I've sort of had time to
I guess reflect on that, I think it's probably the

(10:01):
right decision, but not no, you're playing for you're playing
for you your income every tournament and you know.

Speaker 2 (10:09):
It's it's high, high.

Speaker 6 (10:11):
Level, high stress, and it's quite anomational journey to be fair,
particularly when you're in the likes of Bangladesh and Pakistan
and Sri Lanka and you know, the one thing that
you've got to do is play good cricket, and it
just happens that you're not. It can be pretty lonely,
a lonely space.

Speaker 3 (10:29):
And you know, obviously there's going to be a lot
of key He was involved in a franchise based T
twenty league. If it comes to pass, how attractive a
proposition do you think that would be to a New
Zealand player, you know, playing in a franchise league in
their own country with overseas players and as opposed to
what they're currently involved in our domestic super smash.

Speaker 6 (10:50):
Well, I think it's just a variety, the variety of
different players that you're going to play up against, and
with the one thing that I can take out a
franchise cricket and my hand on hard I can say
was the best thing for me was rubbing shoulders with
different players from all over the world and understanding their
style of T twenty cricket. It's like I said a

(11:11):
little bit earlier, all these competitions are in terms of
skill sets are relatively similar, but they all play slightly
different style. You go to the CPL and they're more
boundary orientated than you get up with the Pakistan Super
League and your ones and twos and those your players
spin needs to be much more effective. And then Australia,

(11:32):
the grounds are a bigger square than what they are straight,
so there's a lot more a lot more of the
bowlers going through sort of your chest region. So it's
just trying to pick up the different varieties, you know,
As I said, like these domestic players tend to play
the same guys a week in week out, and that
can get a little bit monotonous, i'd say, And it's

(11:58):
really hard to try and creut a rivalry between different
teams because you find yourself playing with one another or
against each they want more often than not. So yeah,
I think I think that's one of the big things
is how do we how do we do this tournament
if it goes ahead, and how do we get the
most out of our players learning from these these superstars

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and hopefully it attracts.

Speaker 3 (12:20):
What's your view on the concept of a New Zealand
team entering the Australian Big Bash.

Speaker 6 (12:27):
Well, it's always been It's always been talked about, isn't it.
I mean, for me, the Big Bashes was one of
the coolest tournaments to play in because it's it's marketing,
its heights is just just it's unmatched. The question I'd
ask is if we did enter the competition with our
New Zealand players then become locals for other teams and

(12:49):
you know, let's say where we had a North Island
and South Island team and there would would our local
players be able to place the Renegades or the Thunder
or or another team as a local and just how
it will work, because I think if that was the case,
obviously mainly talks when it comes to that side of things,

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And would our teams be competitive enough if we had
our best players playing for other Big Bash teams.

Speaker 3 (13:16):
And just back to our own competition to finish Anton
Do you think doing nothing is an option? Just just
rolling out the Super Smash as it is at the moment,
Summer on summer.

Speaker 7 (13:30):
I think, yeah, oh I can't.

Speaker 2 (13:33):
I can't answer that.

Speaker 6 (13:34):
I mean, will you look at our black cap site
and you know it's a relatively competitive T twenty outfit
and some would say that the Super Smash is doing
its job in terms of producing producing cricketers that can
competit that level. The question I have is if we don't,
if we did do something, how good could we be?

(13:56):
Could we could we be world champions more often than not?
And could we compete more often? I think I think
it's definitely lacking something. I'm not quite sure what it is,
whether it's the grounds that we play out all the
time of year or the scheduling in terms of that,
you know, I don't see how a lot of points
playing point playing on a Sunday at seven pm when

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kids have got to get the school on a Monday.
Because those are the people we want to attract. We
want to attrack kids to the game and get a
following basically and have kids want it hounding their mums
and dads to go down to the cricket every week.

Speaker 3 (14:33):
Indeed, hey, Anton, thanks mate, great to get your insight.
Really appreciate you taking that call, Anton, Devsit's their former
black cap in both T twenty and fifty over cricket,
and a huge participant in T twenty cricket around the place,
including in a number of franchise leagues, the Aussie Big
Bash being one of those. Really really keen to kick
this around with you lines open on eight hundred and

(14:55):
eighty ten eighty now. The idea of a franchise T
twenty league here in New Zealand first came to light
when a story appeared in Stuff last Friday days ago.
There are a couple of points worth addressing first of
all in that piece. The first is the use of
the phrase rebel league in both the headline and the

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body of that story, which always brings with it negative connotations.
The concept being discussed is not a rebel league. It
wouldn't run alongside the existing supersmash, it would replace it.
So that terminology is wrong and designed, I think, to
create a negative slant. The article also talked about how

(15:40):
a new competition might affect New Zealand crickets existing broadcast deals.
The fact is that when Skysport reacquired the cricket rights
earlier this year, from next summer onwards, they left the
Super smash out of it. New Zealand Crickets broadcast deal
with Sky is not at risk from a change in
our domestic T twenty competition because it's not part of

(16:01):
that deal anyway. And when the article talked about possible
sources of private investment in this proposed new competition, it
also mentioned Indian money, but it did so in a
way that made it sound somehow sinister. When it comes
to cricket, we all know how important the Indian market

(16:22):
is and it is natural that you would look to
India if you are looking for investors in a franchise competition,
you would look to cricket mad indied investors as someone
you would target. So now let's look at the function
of our T twenty competition. What is it supposed to

(16:42):
do well? Two things engage and excite fans and prepare
our best players for international T twenty cricket. A crowd
numbers would say it's not really doing the first thing,
and listening to Anton defsits there, it's not rarely doing
the second thing as well as it could either. By
introducing overseas players and different types of cricketers, we would

(17:06):
naturally expand the cricketing experience and know how of our
top players. Now, on a separate but related issue, we
need to move away from all format players to T
twenty specialists. There's so much franchise cricket being played now
the teams can pretty much pick T twenty specialists who
focus solely on that format in the game. The teams

(17:29):
that Australia and England sent here in the last couple
of months were almost entirely T twenty specialists. There were
very few all format players in those teams. We need
to do that as well. But that's a related but
separate discussion. Here's what I understand about the proposed new competition.
It would take place in January, so that would require

(17:50):
New Zealand Cricket not to schedule international cricket in January
to allow our top players to play in this new competition.
Now that's been the case for the last two summers anyway,
so not too much would need to change. It would
involve six teams, probably but not necessarily linked to the
six major associations as they currently operate Auckland, Northern Districts,

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Central Districts, Wellington, Canterbury and Otago. Those major associations would
have a stake in the competition and be able to
reinvest earnings from it back into the game in their regions,
and they are all in favor of this the major associations,
the games would likely be played in holiday locations. Teams
would have, as I said to Anton Devsich, a maximum

(18:32):
number of overseas players, likely three per team. The rest
of the squad would be Kiwi's. So if we work
on a squad size of sixteen, let's say that's thirteen
players per team who in New Zealanders pretty similar to
what happens in the Super Smash now, so attracting quality
overseas players would be crucial. And this isn't the only

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T twenty competition that operates in January. The South African
SA twenty competition runs in January. The Aussie Big Bash
starts in mid December runs through January, so you're already
in direct competition with those two leagues. But New Zealand
is an attractive destination, far more attractive, i'd have to think,
than South Africa in many respects, especially for overseas players

(19:16):
who'd want to bring their families with them. And if
the price is right, then those players could and would
be attracted. Pretty obvious that the status quo is not
an option. We can't just leave it the way it is.
It's not attracting crowds, it's not engaging the cricket in public,
and it is not doing the best job of preparing

(19:39):
our top players for international T twenty cricket. Something has
to change. New Zealand is the only major cricketing country
without a franchise based TEA twenty cricket league. Why shouldn't
we just have a crack at it. Why shouldn't we
just give it a go? Oh eight hundred and eighty

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ten eighty can to get your views. I'm sure you've
seen the story from a week or so ago. You've
probably thought about it across the week. You've heard varying views.
You've heard from Anton devsits there. I think it's a
good idea. Eight hundred eighty ten eighty nine two nine
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our domestic T twenty cricket competition might look like. If
you've got some views, they don't have to be the
same as mine. You might think that what's happening at
the moment is fine, that you would rather that the
T twenty competition stayed as it currently is, attached to

(20:51):
the major associations run by New Zealand Cricket. You might
think it's fine. I just feel as though there's there's
a chance here to do something different, to do something
a bit exciting. Look of Auckland FC have shown us
anything since they arrived. It's that the match day experience

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is as important as as what happens on the field
once you get there. But it's everything that's wrapped around it,
and I feel as though there's just not enough reason
at the moment sometimes to go along. Yes, of course
you go along to watch the sport. Of course you
did go on to watch the cricket, the football, whatever
it is. But if there was an occasion, if there

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was a reason other than the cricket to come along,
then maybe that would be something that could help reinvigorate
our Super Smash because at the moment, like I said, well,
I think the fact that Sky Sport when they were
negotiating with New Zealand Cricket for the rights for next
summer onwards, they were very keen obviously on the international rights,

(22:01):
but the domestic rights they weren't that interested in, so
much so that they didn't pick them up. So our
Super Smash, as I understand it doesn't have a broadcast
or beyond the summer currently with TVNZ of course under
the deal that they've had since Sparksport fell over. But
from next summer onwards, our Super Smash doesn't even have
a broadcast partner. So that probably tells you a bit

(22:24):
about the attractiveness of it, certainly to a broadcaster but
also by default to cricketing viewers. Piney says James, I
like the idea of getting into the Big Bash a
North and or South Island team. What could ready help
is before the Big Bash starts is have a smaller

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T twenty competition where everyone plays each other once then
straight to a final. This is the carrot and stick
thinking to play hard for higher honors and money, to
play in the Big Bash, similar to Rugby NPC moving
to Super Rugby. Ken on your thoughts, I'm just the
joining the Big Bang just leaves me a bit cold.

(23:07):
I have to say. I like the idea. I like
the Big Bash. I like the you know and you know,
I like the the excitement of it, the hoopla, the pizaz,
the fact that it's on every night over summer you
can normally find a game of Big Bash to watch.
But having a New Zealand side in there, what what

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would that side be?

Speaker 2 (23:30):
What?

Speaker 3 (23:31):
What would that side consist of? Where would it be based?
Presumably Auckland? So where would they even play? I mean,
you know you're not already going to play my suppose
you could play Big Bash in Eden Park? But would you?
And what does it do if there's if there's one
team in the Big Bash? What does that do to

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every other New Zealand player who has T twenty aspirations?
Who do they play for? I get what you're saying,
James about something pre the Big Bash, but that would
have to be in what November? Whereas we found out
the weather isn't always that flash so and the other
feature of all the other discussion point around the Big

(24:14):
Bash is that nothing can happen until twenty twenty eight
at the earliest, so we've got a big gap to
fill in the meantime. Anyway, appreciate you call, James, are
your text James a part Ohama. I knew that you
would have a view on this and I'm keen that
you've rung to give it to us.

Speaker 9 (24:30):
Oh I appreciate the endorsement pointing.

Speaker 3 (24:33):
I hope you're will one of the great cricketing minds.
I love sitting alongside you at the basin. It's always
a joy.

Speaker 9 (24:42):
I hadn't heard anything about it until you mentioned it,
so I'm coming and basically fresh. But the thing, I
feel like it's a bit of a moneymaker, and that's
what New Zealan cricket after, and term is not necessarily
gate takings, but you know they I know we're not

(25:03):
the same market as England and whatnot, but you know
there's selling off those hundred franchises right and I think
hundreds of millions of pounds I think is the sort
of prices they're going for. We're not going to get that,
but you dealing cricket needs money, right, So I feel
like if they're going to make some I think the

(25:28):
super Smash is probably an opportunity to maybe get some investment,
sell them off whatever. There's not much to get going
for it at the moment, but we've got a little
time slot piety, right, So where between the two hours
ahead of Bussie? So I suppose in the world would

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be the first cricket that people could see. And we
know there's you know, probably two billion people that love
watching cricket. So I'm talking really TV here and commercials
and international rights. So if we're selling it off, if
we're selling off the broadcast, if we're getting international class
that other people watch, I feel like then there's an

(26:11):
opportunity to you know, make some money out of this
comp Just.

Speaker 3 (26:16):
As just for clarification, this wouldn't be a New Zealand
Cricket competition. This would be a privately run competition. So
New Zealand Cricket themselves would not financially benefit from this
T twenty competition.

Speaker 9 (26:30):
Oh hmm, okay, now then wait, no, I want to
I want us to get something out of it.

Speaker 3 (26:40):
Well, the major Association, the major associations would so, so
the six major associations would have a stake in the competition.
This is how I understand it would work. They would
take a stake in the competition and money would be
fed back through the competition to them to invest in
their patch. So at the moment, at the moment, seventy

(27:01):
percent of the revenue for our major association, so I'm
sure you know this comes from New Zealand Cricket. So
this would be a different revenue stream for the major
associations for them to invest back into their grassroots game.

Speaker 9 (27:14):
Okay, yeah, look, I think you in our market they've
gone India, rundser. I think you look for look for
ways to make money where you can, and you know,
our economy at the moment, As long as they do
it right and we get what we can get out
of the tools of our players and whatnot, and maybe

(27:35):
get a bit more star quality, I don't see too
much wrong with it. As long as they're not shafted,
that would be my take.

Speaker 3 (27:43):
Yeah, and that's a fair enough take. No one wants
to be shafted. If we put ourselves as fans in
this conversation, what do we want to see. We want
to see exciting cricket, regardless of the format. I mean,
you and I turn up to watch a blanket hill game,
you know, But we're cricket tragics. If we're looking at
the if we're looking at a you know, a discretionary fan.
You know, they may not turn up to a super
smash game, but if they know that there's a you know,

(28:05):
there's a game where there's some international star power and
there's a bit of glitz and a bit of pizazz
wrapped around it, that may well attract them. So all
of a sudden, the ticket revenue is coming, the competition
is successful, and that money flows back. So I guess
that would be the ideal landscape for this.

Speaker 9 (28:24):
Yeah, and I think that the timing is everything right.
And I don't know who these Indian investors are, but
this SAT twenty and JAM which would sort of be
our prime window then IPL, right, so and obvious stand
the IPL. Maybe it's the I don't know, I don't
know what the details or who owns the franchises and
SAT twenty, but yeah, we're just got to make sure

(28:48):
it stacks up, you know. And it's not just like
a mini cricket version of R three sixty where everyone
thinks how does this work? And how does it actually
make money. I think that's the due diligence piny before
we sign some contracts.

Speaker 3 (29:00):
Good Man about a Hama, always good to chat to
you mate. Yeah. Look, I think we have the blueprint.
I mean the SA twenty, the Caribbean Premier League, the
West Indies competition is very successful. The one caveat is
that it has affected the Test team in the West Indies.
That is one thing it has definitely done. With so

(29:22):
many West Indian players now focusing almost entirely on T twenty,
their Test team has suffered as a result, which again
leads back to what I said before about creating T
twenty specialists. I think it's important that we have. You know,
there's been talking the past about splitting the coaches. I

(29:43):
just feel as though you need to have fewer all
format players. Yes, there are going to be different you know,
there are going to be exceptions. Rich and Ravendra will
always be an all format cricketer for US, just as
Travis Headers for Australia. But having half a dozen players
who play all three formats for US as I'm not

(30:05):
sure that the way of the future. Hy Glenn.

Speaker 8 (30:10):
You get that point. If it's aligned with the IPL,
I think it would be brilliant because you'd make way
more money out of TV, right, because you did, some
Indian stars come across and start playing, and the Indians
are cunning enough to know they don't generally do well
when they tour here, so they start playing games then
New Zealand conditions, they'll get better when they do too here.

(30:32):
So yeah, I think you could be some synergies there.
And look, one thing about the Super Smash is it
does actually prepare airplayers pretty well because we give a
good international T twenty side with very limited resources. So
you know, I throw out the baby with the bath order.
But yeah, I think a little bit of investment wouldn't
be a bad option.

Speaker 3 (30:51):
Yeah, and I guess a franchise league wouldn't wouldn't make
it worse, I don't think, Glenn, because what you have
is largely the same group of players as are playing now,
but with a sprinkling of of what I say, three
per team, so eighteen international players in there.

Speaker 8 (31:10):
So so long as long as that, as long as
I have big notice. So Indian oise to the thing
is she makes money, because you're not going to make
money out of New Zealand. You got to make money
out of the India.

Speaker 3 (31:19):
Correct, correct, but then also that it's but it's also
the ticket revenue, Glenn. You know people coming to games
because they want to see these players.

Speaker 8 (31:27):
That's a part drink. You're only going to get probably
turn a half to the other people, and they will
not pay for they're in the say weg or whoever.

Speaker 3 (31:34):
Yeah, I'm not saying our ticket revenue itself is are
going to do it, mate, But I still think there's
a aspirational, you know idea. There's an idea that you
could Why couldn't we have five or six thousand turning
up at the basin or turning up at in Queenstown
or at day Oval.

Speaker 8 (31:50):
There's no there's no tribalism in cricket. There isn't rugby,
but not in cricket, but you could create it. I
got to go now, I go on to Glenn.

Speaker 3 (31:57):
I got to chet to your mate. Drive safe, let's
just keep going. Lots on text. I'll get to if
I can Chris high.

Speaker 4 (32:05):
Yeah, hydration, Look a couple of things, you know f
Kiwi's we're not we're not used to seeing cricket start
like I did this year. But you know in October
there's a twenty twenty World Cup. But given well, actually
you know, I don't know why they started. Well they
had to start in October, but because usually worth a
month of weather in New Zealand. But given given hadn't

(32:27):
been the weather, the crowds were pretty good, weren't they.

Speaker 3 (32:34):
So the are you talking about for the international stuff?

Speaker 4 (32:36):
Chris, Yes, the anaction we've just had with England, you know,
with England Australia and which I mean apart from Auckland
where it was absolutely dumb. Decis have played at m Park.
But apart from Auckland, the crowds were pretty good.

Speaker 9 (32:49):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (32:49):
And and but that again, that was international cricket. I
think cricket fans are always going to turn up to
watch US play Australia, US play England's US play India,
US play anybody. Probably the crowds have been pretty good
for the West Indies. I guess what we're talking about
here is our domestic competition and the dwindling numbers that
are attending even in the right in the heart of summer,

(33:10):
where which is where I Super Smash is in January.
If you're going to tune up at any time of
the ear to watch cricket. You do it in January
and it just doesn't happening at the moment.

Speaker 4 (33:20):
No, no, I agree, and even February mass But but
they're bringing me to my next point. Piney, like the
Caribbean haven't got haven't you know, just put the islands up,
haven't got the population that we've got. But clearly they've
manatually get some pretty good sponsorship.

Speaker 8 (33:36):
Is that right?

Speaker 4 (33:38):
I'm going to run that thing.

Speaker 3 (33:40):
I I don't know for sure.

Speaker 4 (33:44):
Because I'm I'm sorry, you know, you're sorry.

Speaker 3 (33:48):
No, no, you carry on, Sorry I interrupted you. My apologies.

Speaker 4 (33:51):
I'm surprised. But therefore New Zealand, where we're all one ireland,
not five, not five islands like the West Indies, do
they need to really hunt around for sponsorship and try
and run something. You know, it gets get a league
going here?

Speaker 5 (34:09):
Is that all?

Speaker 4 (34:10):
Or do you think do you think we're too small?

Speaker 2 (34:12):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (34:12):
No, no, you're talking about having a franchise league here
in New Zealand. That's exactly what I think we should
be doing. That's exactly what I think we should be doing.
I think if we stay with the way things are,
we're missing a trick. There's an opportunity here to reimagine
domestic T twenty cricket here in New Zealand. And there
are any number of reasons where people say no, no, no, no, no,

(34:34):
we don't do that. No, not for us, not for us, No,
thanks mate, not for us, mate. There's any number of
reasons to not do something. There are a lot of
good reasons to do it. Thanks for your call, Chris,
seventeen away from one back with more of your calls
after this.

Speaker 1 (34:47):
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Speaker 3 (34:57):
Thirteen away from one Brettan. This is on text. Major
Associations will feed the money back into the area. Yeah right,
that money we'll just go to paying the pro players
more will bring it won't because the major Associations won't
be in charge of paying the players. The players were
paid by the franchise owners, so each of the six
teams will be owned by somebody or a consortium of somebodies.

(35:20):
They will pay the players. The Major Associations Northern District
CD Auckland, Otago, Canterbury Wellington will have a stake in
the competition, not in the teams. So the money that
the major associations get doesn't go back into the team.
It's money they get having taken a stake in the competition.

(35:43):
I hope that's I hope that makes it clear.

Speaker 10 (35:45):
Bruce Hi, they're good a mate. Yeah, I'm sort of
loosely related, but it's not really on your subject. But
regarding cricket, and I'm not I mean, cricket's not my
main sport, but I love Test cricket, but I cannot
stand Team twenty and I just think that cricket as

(36:06):
a sport needs to have a real rethink about their
entire sport because to me, there's all these meaningless T
twenty franchise competition popping up around the world, and that,
to me is the main problem with cricket at the

(36:26):
moment is you've got all these competitions happening, but they
don't mean anything, Like no one really cares, you know,
apart from maybe the cricket tragic in a particular country,
but like whoever wins the Indian Premier League or the
League in America or the League in the West, there's

(36:49):
no historical significance in the results and like until cricket
comes up with something, you know, like the Ashes means something,
and that means something to people who are real sport fanatics,
and I'll be watching the Asses, But like T twenty

(37:11):
is like no one really cares, and like until they
come up with something that grips a population and mean something.
I just think that you you know, like I just
don't see a future for it.

Speaker 3 (37:27):
Yeah, I brews a couple of things. I think that
horse has bolted. I think cricket tragics like you and I,
who would quite happily watch every single delivery of an
ASHES Test or a New Zealand Test series or whatever
it was, I think we are. We are dwindling in number,
which is sad in itself. But I don't think T
twenty and particularly the franchise leagues, really care too much

(37:50):
about creating a history. They're there for an event and
they are effectively, you know, entertainment products. Rather than than
something that you and I has died in the Wall
Test cricket fans would probably prefer. However, what it has
done is injected a mountain of cash into the game,

(38:11):
and that is attractive for the players, players who previously
didn't have the ability to earn the eye watering sums
of money they do now now can and therefore the
Juggernaut's only going to get bigger.

Speaker 11 (38:24):
Mate, But do you think that that sustainable. It's sustainable
in India because they've got such a massive population. But
if you have a sport that just relies on entertainment
but there's no lasting historical significance to the results that
really captures a fan base to really get behind a

(38:47):
particular team, how long do you think that will last.

Speaker 3 (38:51):
It's a very good question, Bruce, It is a very
good question. I don't know the answer. I'm not sure
any of us knows the answer. But at the moment,
the sport is growing. Otherwise these T twenty franchises wouldn't continue,
these competitions wouldn't continue to pop up. And so within
that framework, within that landscape, I feel as though we

(39:14):
here in New Zealand have to jump on or we
are being left behind. Thanks for your call, Bruce, look
forward to chatting ashes with you over the next few months.

Speaker 12 (39:23):
Aaron, Hi, mate, Oh good a mate. Look, I haven't
called you for a week while and tacked a hell
of a long time. But the threeth of the matter,
as all find me very quick. We need the TEA
twenty cricket. Cricket needs stuff like this. I mean I
don't like watching it either, But why do you think
generates the money?

Speaker 2 (39:42):
Yeah, I mean no one.

Speaker 12 (39:46):
Yeah it is because if we just said TI cricket
and we've got rid of all those games and all
those big showing matches and everything else all over the world,
we wouldn't have test cricket. We just wouldn't. It's I
hate to say it, but it's a song called economic
tree of that.

Speaker 3 (40:01):
Thanks Aaron, you've you've summarized it very well. And again,
like I say, if you know, the Super Smash could
continue in its current form, but more and more players
would opt out. More and more T twenty specialists would
opt out and would seek a playing contract in January

(40:22):
elsewhere South Africa. Look at came Williamson last year opted
out of our Super Smash to go and play in
South Africa. Devin Conway the same players will continue to
do that. But if there's a franchise league available here
in New Zealand, came Williamson and Devin Conway. Aren't going
to go and play in South Africa, thinking the same
money here, I'll play here. It's their home. And then

(40:45):
you said about attracting the best international talent to add
a bit of at a bit of pizazz to the
whole thing. Seven to one U Stalk ZIB from.

Speaker 1 (40:56):
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Speaker 3 (41:05):
To one on text by part as a batting coach
for a state team and franchise team in Australia, was
a former Auckland player. Having watched the Super Smash and
now watching the WBBL and BBL, there's no comparison. The
money and entertainment that goes behind the Aussie comps make
it riveting and the crowds love it. Thanks indeed for
all your correspondents on this. Much more to come. Just

(41:25):
to rap, with the risk of repeating myself, there is
an opportunity here. There is an opportunity to do something different,
to do something exciting. Just hope that opportunity is taken.

Speaker 1 (41:39):
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Speaker 3 (41:51):
O seven welcome back into the show. Hey, thanks for
all your feedback calls. Correspondents on the cricket last hour,
really interesting, interesting correspondence from many of you. Just before
we move to rugby, John says there's just a bit
too much rugby and cricket going on at the moment.
People have switched off, which is why games like rugby v.

(42:13):
Cricket is so popular. Why a small rural Taranaki town
like Waverley can sell our five thousand tickets to a
preseason game. It's about entertainment and crowd involvement. John bang
On bang on entertainment and crowd involvement. Yes, the sport
is important, of course it is, But it's the occasion, right,

(42:36):
It's what you experience when you are there. And I'm
almost certain, in fact, I could say it without fear
of contradiction, that if a franchise T twenty League is stood
up here, then you and me as fans, would be
placed in the center of a lot of the discussions

(42:59):
about what it's like to go along to these events.
Yes a game, of course, yes, a game, but an event,
an occasion and experience. What would that be like because
you know what it's like at the moment, times are
tough for a lot of people. We can't go to everything,
we can't spend our money on everything. We have to

(43:20):
be discretionary. The discretionary dollar can be pulled in all
sorts of different directions, and at the moment the supersmash
just isn't doing enough. I don't think to attract that
discretionary dollar and discretionary eyeballs if we're honest, But something
like this might and why not give it a crack.

(43:43):
There are any number of reasons not to, but there
are some good reasons to give it a go, to
try something different, to stand up this franchise league in
our own country with benefits back to the major associations,
with exciting sporting action, to watch for our young fans,

(44:04):
to re engage them, or to engage them for the
first time. Anyway, I'm sure there's much more to come
on this, much more to come. Thank you, as I say,
for all your calls and your correspondence. Gonna move to
rugby because it's the second last test of the year
for the All Blacks Tomorrow morning England at Twickenham. Ten

(44:24):
past four is kickoff time. We have a commentary for
you here on News talks 'b so you don't even
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zb or or gold Sport or iHeartRadio. The last time
we played England was on the end of season two
last year.

Speaker 13 (44:41):
They're looking for the best opportunity for the truck goal,
George Ford for.

Speaker 3 (44:45):
The truck goal.

Speaker 4 (44:45):
For the truck.

Speaker 14 (44:50):
It's away.

Speaker 3 (44:52):
It is away, but.

Speaker 13 (44:56):
Glynn I throwler at Twickenham twenty four twenty two.

Speaker 3 (45:03):
I'd almost erased that from my memory, actually the the
dramatic finish to that game. But yet New Zealand getting
up twenty four to twenty two at Twickenham. England haven't
beaten US at Twickenham since twenty twelve. Incidentally, they haven't
beaten US anywhere since twenty nineteen. That was the Rugby
World Cup semi final in Japan. That was the last
time England beat US. Let's bring in former England Hurricanes

(45:27):
and Crusaders lose forward Thomas Waldrom Thomas before we look
ahead to this game tomorrow morning, what have you made
of the All Blacks in the last two weekends during
their wins over Ireland and then Scotland.

Speaker 15 (45:37):
Yeah they're looking at them. Yeah, they're trying to do stuff,
but then it's sort of it's not coming off as much.
But yeah, I'm sort of on the fence at the moment.
So this Test match of tomorrow, I think it's going
to be a key one for them to see actually
what they're trying to do and if they can get
a win over England as well.

Speaker 3 (45:58):
As you say, you can see what they're trying to do.
The cohesion I think has been the thing against Ireland.
It took until the last twenty minutes for them to
come together. Last week against Scotland, the yellow cards didn't help,
but there was a period after halftime where where they
just couldn't get the ball and Scotland came back into
the game. Do you feel us though this all Black
side has got a sixty seventy even eighteen minute performance

(46:21):
in them.

Speaker 15 (46:22):
Yeah, I think they do. And also I think they
just need to the side of who who's this best
fifteen as well and what they're trying to achieve. And
I think there's a lot of top and Johana, there's
injuries and stuff like that, but I think he sort
of Billy parkd was there for a little bit. He's out,
but now he's back in and w was the TV
I thought played really well. Then he is on the
fence and Simon Parker's and I think as a player,

(46:44):
I think just having these mixed messages is probably not great.
But yeah, we'll be understeing how it goes.

Speaker 2 (46:51):
In the end.

Speaker 3 (46:51):
Another guy who's who's involved in the loose forwards and
he's actually had a decent run in the side in
recent times as Peter Larkey. He's been in the number
eight jersey. This will be his fourth Test in a
row in that in that jersey. You've said a bit
of him obviously for the Hurricanes as well. How you
evaluated how Peter like has been playing in the last
little while.

Speaker 15 (47:09):
Oh no, yeah, I think he's went really well. And
that's the thing, he's sort of there's a tast a
bit of time, but I can see these building some
combinations and I think that loose forwards that's what it's about.
And I think it's probably a bit hard on him
with Parker probably coming in this week. I think Wallace
Ardi and Peter or I think worked really well the
last few weeks and I think they're building real nicely.

(47:31):
So now they're probably dynamics changed a little bit, but
I think generally, I think that's the thing he's throwing
his body around on the second half. I think some
of the tackles he was making were real physical and
standing up and this the thing he's he's still young
and he's still going to grow and mature into a
bloody good All Black, but he's Yeah, I think he's
going really well at the moment.

Speaker 3 (47:50):
Just on the decision to bring Simon Parker into the side,
he didn't. He wasn't in the match day twenty three
last week, and presumably they were they were resting him
or saving him for this week. And as you say, Wallace,
a Titi goes onto the bench, I guess the All
Blacks would sa, Okay, well we need that big body
out there, we need a big Simon Parker against guys
like Sam Underhill and Ben Earl and Guy Pepper, who

(48:12):
are England's loosees. Do you subscribe to that that you
need that big body out there?

Speaker 15 (48:18):
I think against England, I don't think you do, because
I think Ben Hill, I know Sam under was very
very strong tackler and very physical and stuff like that.
I think sometimes speed ability, ball skills and everything. Sometimes
you can get around in England guys, and that's what
that's what I'm sort of hoping for, that they could
probably just stick with them and try the game plan

(48:39):
if if they can go wide to white or go.

Speaker 5 (48:41):
Through the middle. We don't need these, yeah, I don't think. Yeah,
so called big bodies.

Speaker 15 (48:45):
I know he's back in the day we need Drome
account Kino and like they were the enforces and they
bought that physicality. But I think some of these guys
are different these days. So I think, yeah, it's just
I don't know. Yeah, we'll find out this tomorrow morning
if it was a good call or not, and if
they could stand up against England.

Speaker 3 (49:04):
So what goes on to the bench. And there's been
a lot of talk in recent times about how important
the bench is, and in many ways, I think there's
been a narrative that you know, those players who where
jerseys sixteen to twenty three are just as important as
jerseys one to fifteen. But as a player, Thomas, you know,
take us inside the mindset there you always want to start.

Speaker 15 (49:27):
For me, it was always starting, and I think it's
a sort of always been hard being behind Jerry Rodney
and crist You sort of when you've got an opportunity,
you wanted to take it and like fall stride and
take off both hands. But I think sometimes I think
back in the day, I think when you were on
the bench, you potentially could only get ten, five fifteen minutes.
I know, we they get a little bit longer these

(49:49):
days because of the games changing and they might get
twenty five to thirty minutes, but sort of been whiles
back playing year, it was sort of reserved, sort of
you might get ten minutes at the most. So yeah,
starting was always the goal, to get there and try
to prove yourself. But yeah, no, I think I think
front rolls a little bit different, like with Twidy Williams

(50:10):
coming on and stuff like that. Those big bodies, they
make a difference. But I think loose swards and stuff
like they're trying to get into a game is pretty
hard sometimes if you only get out limited amount of minutes.

Speaker 3 (50:21):
England haven't beaten the All Blacks since twenty nineteen in
the Rugby World Cup semi final that year. They haven't
beaten the All Blacks at twicken Him since twenty twelve.
How desperate to England going to beat a chalk cup
of victory?

Speaker 5 (50:34):
Yeah, I think they're.

Speaker 15 (50:35):
Well and that's the thing they've and I think you're
watching them and stuff like that, and they'll beats be
under pressure on their lion speed. England will come with
massive line speed. They'll get in their faces, they'll celebrate
all these little knockowns like Mariotoji and Ben Hill. It's
from the Saracens, things like that. Any sort of pressure
you put on and you make a mistake, they'll be

(50:56):
in their faces and trying to put pressure as much
pressure on as possible. So I think have to be
wary of I think England and I know the four Tests,
but I think this is the big one that they
have been working towards. I think Fezi was sort of
a second string team they put out, but I think
behind closed doors they'll be working for real hard for
this game on tomorrow morning.

Speaker 3 (51:17):
If the All Blacks do win this, they're on track
for a Grand Slam and I'll likely beat Wales, so
they'll probably finish the year eleven wins, two losses. If
they were to lose this Test, it'll be three losses
this year, no Grand Slam. Does it almost feel as though,
I don't know, the entire year could be defined by
this one Test match?

Speaker 15 (51:36):
Well, I should I shouldn't be, but I think it's
more of the way that babies are playing and stuff
like that.

Speaker 5 (51:40):
At the moment.

Speaker 15 (51:41):
I think that's the question of as the World Cup
around the corner, is the style baby's a players the
world class and stuff like that than what we're used
to seeing with some of the players on top of
the on top of the game and doing special things.
I think that's for me been watching it, that's what
I'll be probably judging more the results come and go

(52:03):
and stuff, But I think it's the way that they're
playing and entertaining and stuff like that, which is I
think was a big key.

Speaker 3 (52:10):
What's twicken them like to play it?

Speaker 5 (52:13):
Oh, it's amazing.

Speaker 15 (52:14):
That's one of the craziest feelings because you get on
a bus and you arrive anyone's everyone's around the ground
because they've got the bars and everyone and the hospitality
starts early and you get off the bus. Especially for
England when I was on the the home team, it
was awesome because yet everyone comes out and sees her
and yeah, yeah, on the on the gates and there's

(52:36):
probably about forty thousand people watching you, and then sort
of for the home game.

Speaker 5 (52:41):
As well, you might get a few good booze.

Speaker 15 (52:43):
But yeah, when you walk through and the golden gate
opens up and it's like around about the bus goes
down as Yeah, it's pretty special.

Speaker 5 (52:50):
It's unreal and amazingly part of it.

Speaker 3 (52:53):
And what's it like underneath, like as you as you're
getting ready and then when you come out, like can
you feel the history of the place?

Speaker 15 (52:59):
Oh yeah, definitely. And the Chaine rooms are massive as well.
They've got the old iron bars in there as well.
They use them every every now and then. But I
think it's just the the grand scale of it always
just as next level and yeah, all the history of
all the players that play test matches on the wall
and all the member belia and stuff all around us.

Speaker 5 (53:21):
Yeah, it's pretty special place to be a part of.

Speaker 3 (53:23):
We love their rugby over here, Thomas, as you know,
what are the England rugby public like? I mean it's
big football country, right, they love their football. What are
the England rugby public like?

Speaker 15 (53:34):
Yeah, they're sort of the same as New Gentlemen they're
very passionate. They want you to always win. But there's
the thing like all the to sell out eighty eighty
four thousand every week as crazy, so you know there's
people there that want to watch it and get behind
the team and stuff like that, so which was yeah,
but I think that they're very much like new gentlemen,

(53:55):
are very passionate and they want you to win, and
they'll be very critical at times as well, but that's
just part of part of because of the media side
of things as well, but that's just part of it.

Speaker 3 (54:05):
Got a prediction for.

Speaker 5 (54:06):
Us as all. I've got probably a.

Speaker 3 (54:09):
Draw, well there's been I was at a drawer actually
a twickt in ninety seven or twenty six all drawer
or something. I remember being in a drawn test match,
So you reckon it'll be that tight. I mean they
normally tired, aren't they. I saw a stat that five
of the last seven between these two have been decided
by three points or less. So tight game in coming.

Speaker 5 (54:28):
Yeah, I think it's very tight.

Speaker 15 (54:29):
And yeah, and a goal kicking will come down to
goal kicking and stuff like it as well. But yeah, yeah,
I produd it is gonna.

Speaker 5 (54:37):
Be very tight.

Speaker 3 (54:38):
Great to get your analysis, Thomas, thanks for joining us
this afternoon.

Speaker 5 (54:41):
Je Finny, thanks mate.

Speaker 3 (54:42):
No, thank you mate. That is Thomas Waldron former England
loose Ford also played a lot for the Hurricanes and
for the Crusaders Canterbury as well, but a Hawks bay
too and I feel a good analyst of the game.
Thomas Waldrom Line's open now your views. Oh, eight hundred
and eighty ten eighty. This feels like a coin flip
to me, really more so than the Island tested. It

(55:03):
also feels as though this is the most autant test
of the year. Win this and the Grand Slam stays alive.
And with all due of respect to the proud history
that Wales have fashioned, they have been awful recently, so
that should be no problem next weekend Grand Slam sealed.
Victory tomorrow would also make it ten wins out of twelve.

(55:26):
It would be a fifth win in a row, which
would equal the best streak since Razor took over, and
midway through the Rugby World Cup cycling, most of us
would say, okay, cool, we're traveling. Okay, yes, could do
better here and there, but we're traveling. Okay, but lose
tomorrow and twenty twenty five takes on a very different complexion,

(55:47):
isn't it. No Grand Slam losses to both England and
South Africa this year, and doubt probably over exactly where
we are as we look to twenty twenty seven. So
it just strikes me as a pretty pivotal test match.
Just a couple of numbers before we hit the phones.
The All Blacks have lost just one of their last
eleves against England, that was the Rugby World Cup semi

(56:09):
final in twenty nineteen. Their five most recent victories have
been by seven points or less, and five of the
last seven, as I mentioned to Thomas Waldron between these two,
have been decided by three points or less. The weather
forecast for London ain't great either by the sounds of it,
So I'm not sure we're going to see an expensive game.

(56:31):
It could be a very tight, tight affair. What are
you thinking, Peter, you're nervous at all?

Speaker 16 (56:38):
By Barnie, Yeah, I reckon, it's not going to be
easy game. Old Bombs are going to come out there fighting.
Oh you know it quite a strong team. So I
don't think all Back's going to go walk away walking
to Barco.

Speaker 3 (56:52):
Don't think No, I wouldn't imagine, especially not especially not there.

Speaker 16 (56:58):
No, No, I mean they be a lot of supporters.
Then they're pretty strong rugby team as well as you know,
going back about the how they he's reckoned the whole
team's twenty three. But I still reckon, if you're a reserve,
you're still not really you're sick in beas. I don't
think here anybody says Scott robertson. All these other people

(57:19):
can say no, they're all part of it, which they
are part of the team, but they're still not the top.
The first ones that come out, the first fifteens are
at the top. A little bit annoyed was how Damian
got that try last last week. There was a fluke
and he puts his body on the line. He's back
on the reserve. What the hell he gets a raw deal?

Speaker 4 (57:40):
Dame.

Speaker 16 (57:40):
He might think I like him a lot. He's a
tough little bugger, but he's still back on the bench.
I reckon he should have been walking out on that.
He saved that game and he still gets treated like
I reckon, it's appalling.

Speaker 3 (57:51):
Yeah, I said, I have a different view, Peeg. I
don't think that that two things I don't think a
reward for playing well off the bench should be a
starting fifteen spot. And I think we need to realign
our thinking because the last thirty minutes of a Test
match can often be far more important in terms of
the outcome of the game than the first fifty. So
surely it's the guys who finished the Test match who

(58:11):
have as important a role to play as those who started.

Speaker 16 (58:17):
Yeah, I do agree, but my history in the first
fifteen if they aren't performing, and that you know the
first they come out the first fifteen and they are
not performing, you pull them off even before the As
soon as they're not performing, where's the kicking or whatever?
Pull them off and get someone else. It's pit of

(58:38):
like in punishment.

Speaker 3 (58:39):
You don't perform, You're a hard task You're a hard
task master, peaches. I hate to be coached by you.
I wouldn't want to make a mistake.

Speaker 16 (58:49):
You bloody be good bloody players. I'm telling you don't
know the respect, don't own the respect.

Speaker 3 (58:55):
Good man, fete great too much it to you, mate.
Thanks indeed, Look, you raise a really interesting point, though,
I honestly think we need to rethink the luster of
being on the bench and we need to stop this
concept of if you're in the starting fifteen you're somehow

(59:18):
elevated from those who are in Jerseys sixteen to twenty three.
Because of Damien Mackenzie's performance last week against Scotland showed
us anything, it's that impact off the bench is as important,
if not more than performances in the first half the
first fifty minutes. Look at the back end of the

(59:42):
game against Ireland, when the All Blacks ran over the
top of the Irish in the last twenty minutes, just
like All Blacks teams of the past used to do.
And I think of the impact off the bench that
day of Wallace Stiti. Now Wallace Atiti was promoted to
the starting side last week, and I think a lot

(01:00:03):
of people sort of you know, jumped to this conclusion,
Oh hey, he was so good off the bench, he's
now earned himself a start. I don't think performing well
off the bench should be there shouldn't be the reward
of a starting spot, because a starting spot isn't this
grand prize in the overall scheme of things. South Africa
have worked this out. Resci Erasmus has worked this out.

(01:00:25):
I'm almost certain that within the South African rugby team.
There is as much prestige ascribed to finishing a game
as there is to starting the game. I know everybody
wants to start, and that is historical. And Clayton McMillan
said this, and I remember it so clearly when a
chatter term during the Super Rugby season. He said, I've

(01:00:46):
never met a bloke he doesn't want to start a game.
And that's probably that probably you know is true because
everybody wants to be out there and feel I'm in
the starting fifteen. But your value to the side can
be so so much more significant off the bench. See
if I'm Scott Roberson, I said this last week. I'm

(01:01:07):
saying to Damien McKenzie, Damien, you're out twenty three. That
is your jersey, that is your role. You come on
during a game and make your impact that way. You
run against tid defenders, you show us some unpredictability and
broken play, You kick your goals, You do what you
did last week and score tries that people have to

(01:01:29):
watch over and over and over again to work out
how you've done it. Bench impact is as important, and
I know it's a different sport, but I liken it
to baseball. There is a lot of prestige ascribed to
pitchers in baseball who finish games, who come out at
a bullpen as they call it, and pitch two or

(01:01:49):
three innings to close a game. A closer. It does
take a major shift in attitude for us to accept it,
because there's still the prestige around starting, and that has
been built on decades and decades and back to the
time where reserves only came on if there was an injury.

(01:02:10):
But it's a different game now. It's a twenty three
man game and numbers sixteen to twenty three should be
as coveted as jerseys one to fifteen, one, twenty eight.
We've got some more time to talk some rugby O
eight hundred and eighty ten eighty as a number, Are
you in any way nervous? I always asked this before
All Blacks tests because I think it's a coin flip.

(01:02:32):
I think England could win the Test match, absolutely they could.
They've won their last nine, they're at home, eighty thousand plus.
Sounds like it's going to be a pretty ordinary day
weather wise. They would have looked at the last two
tests the All Blacks played and thought there's vulnerability there though.
They will absolutely pepper us with the high ball. I've
got no doubt No Caleb Clark in the backfield Leicester

(01:02:56):
and Nuku's played most of his rugby recently in midfield.
Leroy Carter not the biggest guy, Will Jordan who seems
to have a hole in his game when it comes
to the high ball. I'd be peppering us. That's what
they'll do. Any thoughts on the rugby, any thoughts on
the team selection and the impact role of players. Does
there need to be a change for me? Yeah, back

(01:03:17):
with some more of your calls after this.

Speaker 1 (01:03:19):
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Speaker 3 (01:03:28):
They'd be coming up one thirty two. Couple of cricket
comparisons here on text. You want to be an opener
scoring eighty in a successful chase or forty seven not
out bringing the team home. It's a very good question.
I'd be to forty seven not out bringing the team
home in one day cricket, says Peter. Fast bowlers may
want to get the new ball, but bowling at the
death is just as important. Rugby is the same. Very

(01:03:49):
good point, Peter. Two good cricketing analogies there, Mike, Hi, mate.

Speaker 17 (01:03:55):
Good afternoon. Jason's what I was thinking.

Speaker 3 (01:04:01):
Yep, sorry, Mike. I I was wondering whether that was
going to be the entire content of your call, But no,
there's clearly more to come.

Speaker 17 (01:04:10):
I was thinking, I have given some serious thoughts to
the numbers issue with the all blacks in basketball. They
select their own numbers or they're not one to whatever
it is in basketball for.

Speaker 5 (01:04:26):
The number of people on the field.

Speaker 17 (01:04:27):
And on the court, and then they come off the
court and those players are in a set.

Speaker 5 (01:04:33):
Number of numbers as well.

Speaker 17 (01:04:37):
You're right before when you said there's a stigma around
the sixteen to twenty three number numbers for players and supporters.
If Damien McKenzie could select his own number and that
was his for all time, surely that might be a solution.

Speaker 3 (01:04:57):
Yeah, But it wouldn't change the fact that he was
coming off the bench rather than starting the game. Would
it might if you had forty eight on his back
or one hundred and thirty two. I think the delineation
I think I was trying to make was between those
who start the game and those who come on during
the game.

Speaker 17 (01:05:15):
I agree with what you're saying in the short term,
but over time I think that if a player had
their own number, whether they started with that number or
came off the bench with that number, the stigma will
get less.

Speaker 3 (01:05:35):
Interesting approach, Mike, interesting approach. I do like the fact
that basketballers have their own number. I must say it
gets a little bit silly in football when you see
some you know. You often see you know numbers up
in the sixties and the seventies. I see Lachland brook
and Auckland FC wears seventy seven. A real reason to
wear seventy seven. But I don't mind it. My interesting

(01:05:55):
point you make, I wonder whether there'll be any there'll
be any support for it. We'll keep the lines open, Bruce,
Hello mate.

Speaker 10 (01:06:02):
Yeah, good mate. I'll put my rugby head on now,
go on. Yeah yeah, yeah, no, I'm really empted for
the test. It is to me. I see it has
been incredibly critical for the season. I wouldn't rate it
above the South African Test that Eden Park, but certainly
probably the second most biggest test of the season.

Speaker 3 (01:06:25):
Yeah, that was the one I thought about. That was
the one I thought about Bruce when I was sort
of thinking, is it the biggest I think, now that
that one's been won, I think you're right. At the
start of the year, if you or I were chatting
to say back in April, wh'd say, Hey, that test
at eating Bark's massive. That is the biggest test of
the year. Now that they've won that got it out
of the way and we arrive here, it just feels
as though the whole complexion of twenty twenty five might

(01:06:47):
might be decided by what happens at Twickenham.

Speaker 10 (01:06:50):
Now well, yeah, I mean certainly. I mean the thing
is is that if we win it, and like you know,
no games are laid down Mossir, but like chances are
we're going to beat Wales. So if we win this game,
basically the All Blacks will have won a Grand Slam,

(01:07:10):
which really like, apart from keeping the bledder slow, you know,
we have a run of rugby Championship with under Razor.
So it's a significant, you know, milestone for this group
of players and for supporters, you know, in terms of

(01:07:30):
winning the ones that really matter, I think, and winning
the confidence of the supporters that the All Blacks can
go on the field and win the games that really matter.
And yeah, that's going to be quite a step forward
for this group of players, I reckon.

Speaker 3 (01:07:50):
Yeah, Bruce, totally agree, And you're right. It's like something
that you can hang, you can hang the season on.
You're right. So, Okay, we've got the bledder Slow Cup,
we achieved a Grand Slam. If we don't beat England,
then we can't say that second thing we say we
beat Ireland, we bet Scotland doesn't sort of have the
same you know, GRAVI a tasit or we won the
Grand Slam, we won the Rugby Championship, you know, as

(01:08:11):
a as a collective of games. I think you're right.
If at the end of the year they can say
we've retained the Bleder Slow Cup, We've won a Grand Slam,
then then I think, like I say that the complexion
of the of the year looks very very different than
it will if we happen to lose tomorrow.

Speaker 10 (01:08:30):
Yeah, yeah, no absolutely, But I mean, like you know,
like reading in the British press about the all black
Aura gone and all this sort of bullocks, you know,
like I just so so won us to win this game, man,
And yeah, like just to shove it right up them.
So man, I you know I'm up at three point

(01:08:50):
thirty getting ready for that game.

Speaker 2 (01:08:52):
Mate, No, god on you mate.

Speaker 3 (01:08:54):
Well, if you get the opportunity to ring back tomorrow
afternoon and let's let's uh, let's review whatever happens. Good
to chat to your Bruce is always twenty three to two.
Somebody's made a similar point to the one you just made. Actually,
John says I went against England as a must, firstly
for the Grand Slam, then for the year's win loss record,
but mostly because England is such poor winners. Yeah, I think. Yeah,

(01:09:19):
if you're ranked the teams you hate losing to the most.
I spoke to this last week when we were chatting
about Scotland. See, I mean, much as I would hate
for us to lose to Scotland, it's like, well, you know,
I don't I quite like the Scottish people. I like
the English people too, but they're intolerable when they beat us,

(01:09:40):
aren't they? In this whole thing of yeah, the all
Blacks have lost their aura. Look that was written two
years ago, three years ago, five years ago. Look it
may or may not be true, but the fact is
England haven't beat the All Blacks at Twickenham since twenty twelve,
so I'd concentrate more on the reasons for that rather
than there's if there's any aura or not. But they are, yeah,

(01:10:04):
they are. They're hard to take sometimes sections of their
fan base are hard to take when they beat us, Mike,
says Jason. There was a lovely article in Yesterday's Telegraph
in the UK about Wellington's own Jamie Salmon, currently the
only Jewel International to play for both the All Blacks

(01:10:25):
in England. Mike, I remember Jamie Salmon. What a player.
I remember him for Wellington actually when I was growing
up watching rugby. He was part of that team that
had Stun Bernie and Alan Huston, Murray Mextead. It was
a really really good team and Jamie Salmon was this, oh,
just wonderful midfield back. And he did play for the

(01:10:50):
All Blacks. And as you're right, you say, the only
Jewel International for the All Blacks and for England. His
test matches for New Zealand were kind of in the
early part of the eighties. From memory, I remember him
playing against the likes of France from memory, but yeah,

(01:11:12):
he was a player Jamie Salmon and yeah went on
to play a lot of rugby in the Northern Hemisphere.
Thanks for letting us know about that, Mike Jason. The
All Blacks will win, but it'll be ugly. What concerns
me the most is we're less than two years away
from a World Cup and I'm not sure that anyone,
including the team know what the coach wants from them.

(01:11:35):
I think they probably do. I think they probably do,
but yeah, I'd just love to see an eighty minute performance,
Ian says Jason. The biggest game of the year was
South Africa in Auckland, and then it was South Africa
and Wellington. Our record in Wellington as crab we always

(01:11:55):
went in Auckland. Yeah. I saw an article yesterday about
the new christ Church Stadium and much as it pains
me to start as WELLINGTONI and I'll repeat what I
said earlier this year. If you're going to take tests
away from anywhere, take them away from Wellington, leave them
in Dunedin, give as many as you like to christ
you keep them the big ones at Eden Park. Wellington's
the one that it should be. Should be worried from

(01:12:22):
Peter Jason, but confused by you and the callers about
the last quarter of last week's game. All year, you
guys have been crying in your after game bears that
the All Blacks have been losing the last quarter. At
the top level of rugby, the winner of the game
only at most wins two quarters. Last week they won
three and crucially the last. So if I've done what

(01:12:43):
you wanted, I'd be surprised if they lose tomorrow. Yeah,
I'm not sure I've been been crying about losing the
last quarter necessarily. I think what we've been saying is
that the All Blacks haven't done what they always have
in the past, and that has been very strong at
the end of games. But thank you for your text.
What about John Gallaha says this text, I don't think

(01:13:04):
John Gallaha ever played rugby for England, if that's what
you're asking. He was English, came here, played for the
All Blacks and then went to rugby League, but I
don't think he ever played rugby for England. I think
Jamie Salmon is the only duel rugby international at senior
level for both England and the All Blacks. But appreciate
the text, and finally on selecting your own numbers. I'm

(01:13:26):
not going to rit David. I'm not going to read that.
That's a dad joke for the best of them. It's
a great it's a great text and it made me smile.
But I'm having to come back to that. Adam Peacock
from Australia after.

Speaker 1 (01:13:37):
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Speaker 3 (01:13:49):
Let's get you across the Tasman with our Australian correspondent,
Adam Peacock Grate the chad has always Adam. We've got
the All Blacks England tomorrow morning. Then we can settle
in and watch Wallaby's Island. That's a nine o'clock kickoff
for us, or just after nine o'clock just after seven
for you. How are you feeling about about the Wallaby's
chances against Orland tomorrow?

Speaker 18 (01:14:08):
Yeah, not too. Chipper's been been a pretty bad tour
so far, beaten sound Ley by England and then upset
by Italy. Yes, we don't have the depth of some
other nation, so when we're stretched, it's exposed in terms
of we couldn't get our players from English clubs early

(01:14:32):
in the tour because it's outside the window. Like it's
been a long campaign for the Wallabies, and you know,
natural attrition takes place. But yeah, it's pretty uninspiring. You
go out twelve months we're all pumped about beating England
over there and it felt like there was a surgeons
under judgment. Well that feeling's gone well and truly gone.

Speaker 19 (01:14:51):
Well.

Speaker 3 (01:14:51):
I see James O'Connor, who was on holiday in Morocco
from all reports, had that holiday cut short. He's come
back and to run the cover.

Speaker 2 (01:14:59):
Yeah.

Speaker 18 (01:15:00):
Yeah, so he's the ten. He was the ten when
we beat South Africa in South afric which is probably
the best result under Joe Schmidt, even including the England
game at Twickenham twelve months ago. But yeah, I'm led
to believe that the English got their club players out

(01:15:21):
of their clubs even though it was an international window,
by just exchanging a bit of cash. The Wallabies were
offered to do the same and they turned it down.
So yeah, they didn't want to pay to release those players,
which I get, I can half understand, but it's a
shame that rugby's got to the point where you're trying
to woo players by a transaction rather than what you

(01:15:42):
feel is right. But that's where we're at. But yeah,
James O'Connor is like, can you help us again? I
don't know why he's not around the set up the
whole time and almost the number one ten. We keep
on chopping and changing in that position.

Speaker 3 (01:15:55):
All right, we'll see what happens at Lansdowne Road tomorrow
about nine o'clock our time, seven o'clock for you other
matters around. The NRL draw is out for twenty twenty six.
Anything in particular catch your eye there.

Speaker 18 (01:16:09):
Yeah, Penrith have got on paper a rough one. They
are the standards set as over the last five years,
but they have to play the top four of twenty
twenty five twice. So that's how you kind of weight
the drawer in terms of how tough it is and
how many times you play last year's bottom four twice

(01:16:31):
and Penrith only don't even do that once, but play
top four sides a total of eight times. So that's
a really tough draw for them, or is done have
an easy one. They've got to play the Broncos twice
at Suncot Stadium because of a quirk about Magic Round.
But yeah, look it's all going to take off with
Vegas again. I think the Knights and the Cowboys and

(01:16:53):
then the Dogs and Dragons. So half of yeah, South
and Southwest Sydney will be missing because I'll be over
in Vegas and losing themselves over there that season opener
and then Melbourne Storm hosts matter I think on night
one on Australian so the week after, so yeah, Andrew
Abdos called it the fairest drawer ever, but you know

(01:17:15):
he's a boss. It's not going to say it's the
worst drawer ever, is he.

Speaker 3 (01:17:18):
So it's out all right, and the Eshes they are
drawing ever closer. First Test starts and Perth on Friday.
A bit of chat about England's lack of quality build out.
They've decided to play a game against what they're England
a side, so effectively they're second side who also happened
to be on tour in Australia at the moment.

Speaker 18 (01:17:38):
Yeah, so smart from the ECB to have those tours
concurrent because it's a long tour and there'll be an
injury so they can then just quickly call someone in
who is maybe a little more ifa with Australian conditions
at the moment, but yeah, copying a bit for this
look that there's mate over here. There is so much
chat about what will happen, who's better, how they're all

(01:18:00):
going to play out. We've got another week of it
before the first Test starts, but it is just chattering.
You don't know whether or not this is a good
preparation or a bad preparation. You don't know if our
Shield players playing the whole of the week before is
it good or a bad preparation. It's just how it
is looking forward to Perth next week. Where do you

(01:18:20):
sit with it all? Because you know, you guys have
provided the captain and coach for them, but you're closer
to us.

Speaker 3 (01:18:25):
Yeah, I think we're just we're just very much looking
for Well, here's my view. I'm looking forward to it
without any skin in the game at all. Really. I mean,
I love my cricket, I love my Test cricket, and
much as I'm looking forward to New Zealand playing the
West Indies in three Test matches here in December, I'm
as excited about the Ashes. And there's always storylines. The

(01:18:47):
coverage is magnificent. There's always a bit of controversy, lots
of niggle. That's probably a long winded way of saying
that I'm very excited about it finally getting it.

Speaker 8 (01:18:58):
Yeah, this would be big.

Speaker 18 (01:19:00):
I love his trading cricket team, you know, I'll always
support them, But I've got absolutely no idea what's going
to happen, Absolutely no idea Like will England's express bowling
calls out top six which has looked brittle at times palm,
but will Steve Smith and Marnus Lavashane, who have been
in really good nick in the last couple of weeks,

(01:19:20):
lighted up and nullify England. There Will England's batting smash
our aging for great attack to pieces like there's so
many great questions, there's so many, so much uncertainty, and
that's what you need before a great sporting contest and.

Speaker 5 (01:19:34):
This is going to be it.

Speaker 3 (01:19:35):
And injury concerns too. I saw Josh Hazel would got
a hammy, but he's going to be okay. Did I
read he's actually been clear for the first teast Josh.

Speaker 18 (01:19:43):
Yeah, yeah, it was just a bit of tightness. So
he left the field after his spell and just reported
a bit of tightness. And I was actually talking to
Mitchell Stark early in the week and he was standing
at second slip when it happened next to Steve Smith,
the captain, and apparently Steve Smith just turned around to
him and said, get off, you're done. Yeah, there was

(01:20:03):
a few tremors that rocked through that afternoon. But fingers
Cross is okay. It's got a long Perth to get
over to, long fight to get over to Perth. But
fingers Cross he's all good because we need him. He's
in grateful at the moment.

Speaker 3 (01:20:17):
Well, by the time we chat next week, we'll be underway.
An Ash's test one. Always enjoy catching up on Australian
sporting matters. Adam will do it again seven days from now.

Speaker 18 (01:20:24):
Sounds good, Piney, Thanks mate.

Speaker 3 (01:20:26):
That is Adam Peacock. He joined us about this time
every Saturday afternoon with Australian sporting matters. Just back to
a couple of texts on the rugby before we move.
Looking forward to the game, Piney, I hope we know
the English two teams we play that we must always
beat in my view because they're terrible, terrible winners. And
that's England and Australia go the All Blacks. I wonder

(01:20:46):
who you support the Ashes. Then that's the thing with
the Ashes as well, and I don't know who I
want to win, and in many ways that's the beauty
of it. I actually don't care who wins the Ashes,
but I love watching the Ashes for the drama and
for the quality cricket. Pony just tuned in both teams
for me more or less equal on paper, and now

(01:21:06):
it comes down to on the day performance. Two concerns.
My main concerns the referee again, another second stringer for
such a big game. Secondly, to a lesser extent, the weather,
Thanks Carlos Weather incidentally in London. I just had a
quick check on this. When the game kicks off, it
is likely to be raining either then or during the game.
Rain is forecast across most of the afternoon in London,

(01:21:27):
but it says light rain and a gentle breeze, so
the wind won't be an issue. And look, you know
rain's not going to affect the am at rugby. Really. Yes,
the ball might be a bit slippery and that sort
of thing, but we're not talking about monsoon conditions here.
I can't imagine it would have too much of an impact. Yes,
obviously a dry track would be more conducive to running rugby,

(01:21:49):
but I'm not sure this game was ever going to
be that anyway, ten past four tomorrow morning live commentary
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We'll play sporting chants this hour as well, but at

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eight past two, as we always do it around about
this time on weekend. Sport time to catch you up
with a couple of the sporting matters that might have
escaped your attention in case you missed it. Starting in
the NFL, the New England Patriots are back. They stormed
to a twenty seven fourteen win over the Lowly Jets
improving their record to nine and two and announcing themselves

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as contenders. Second and five.

Speaker 13 (01:24:51):
Pump fake throws open cart touchdown the hat trick for
Henderson three and a half minutes to go, sixty nine.

Speaker 3 (01:25:00):
It's six plays to European World Cup qualifying football. We're
talking here a surprise with the Republic of Ireland's up
ending Portugal to nil.

Speaker 15 (01:25:10):
Lifted over the top again, the Irisha plans to.

Speaker 2 (01:25:13):
Have planned parrot. Look, if I've been a room.

Speaker 4 (01:25:17):
Let one go.

Speaker 3 (01:25:19):
Makes it two? Is it too good to be true?

Speaker 14 (01:25:24):
No, it is happening here for the Republic of Ireland
daily Portugal turnill.

Speaker 3 (01:25:33):
I'll just turn my mic back on to Test cricket.
It's been all India on the first day of their
first cricket teste against South Africa at Kolkata.

Speaker 13 (01:25:41):
Where's the Yoka big finger goes up brackets five five
for twenty seven to the great Man sixteen times against
five at innings, South Africa winning the toss, beciding to backfirst,
are bawled out for one.

Speaker 3 (01:26:01):
Fifty nine and India finishing the day thirty seven for one.
In reply after losing the TS and being asked to
bowl first at Eden, Gardens and another great day for
Daniel Hillier at the dp World Tour's Grand Final has
him on the verge of picking up a PGA Tour
card for next year. Now Helio, most guys underad that

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oh no, nicely read, nicely executed by the Q week
explaying well.

Speaker 2 (01:26:28):
He played well last week.

Speaker 3 (01:26:30):
He's thereabouts again, smiles around.

Speaker 14 (01:26:33):
All is good in Daniel Hillier's world.

Speaker 3 (01:26:37):
This is to move to mine under palm oh lovely
that was traveling, wasn't it. Seven thirty Today.

Speaker 1 (01:26:47):
Breaking down the Hail Mary's and the epic fails weekend
sport with Jason Vine News Talk zenb.

Speaker 3 (01:26:55):
Yeah, great stuff from Daniel Hillier overnight. He's in a
tie for second at the tournament, three shots behind the leader,
and he will be partnered with Rory mac in the
third round. How good is that? It's just just pairs
as they as they attack the third round. So bound
to be lots of television coverage of Daniel Hillier tonight

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as he completes his third round alongside Rory McElroy, just
three shots off the pace. Who knows, and that PGA
Tour card is his if he finishes high and up
up the high enough up the field and ahead of
the other non exempt golfers in the field who can
win their PGA Tour card. It could be that by

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the end of the weekend he has secured his qualification
for the PGA two next year. Big A couple of
days coming for Daniel Hillier. Twelve past two. The hunt's
on for a new Black Ferns rugby coach. Here go
New Zealand again. Close Simons is up on it feet away,
goes Lol here stolen away, Canada have got it.

Speaker 20 (01:28:07):
Call them underdogs, call them duck horses, No way, call
them Rugby World Cup finalists. German and brilliant, ruthless and
efficient Jenador are going to.

Speaker 21 (01:28:26):
The decider, then into New Zealand's reign.

Speaker 2 (01:28:30):
And it is so richly, richly deserved.

Speaker 3 (01:28:33):
Yes, New Zealand Rugby has undertaken a review of the
Black Ferns program after their third place finish at this
year's Rugby World Cup and they will begin a recruitment
process for a new Black Fern's head coach. Incumbent Ellen
Bunting has confirmed he will not reapply. New Zealand Rugby's
General manager of Professional Rugby and Performancest Chris Lendrum who

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joins us now. Chris, thanks for taking time for us
as always, were you always going to go to the
market for this role after the Rugby World Cup.

Speaker 7 (01:29:03):
Brought a pioneer. Nice to talk to you, Apan. Yeah, look,
it was always the plan. I mean, this is a
pinnacle team for us. We've obviously had a short Rugby
World Cup cycle two and a half years really since
the twenty twenty two World Cup, and the plan was

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we would go to market for the following World Cup cycle.

Speaker 3 (01:29:31):
And Ellen indicated to you what during the review process
before it, after it, that he wouldn't be reapplying.

Speaker 7 (01:29:39):
Yeah, during the process he indicated that he wanted to
pull stumps at the end of his conflict. That's a
stem that.

Speaker 9 (01:29:51):
You know.

Speaker 7 (01:29:51):
It's tinged with a little bit of sadness for us
because we have such a high regard for the man
and his leadership capabilities. He's unique in his very special
person with an amazing skill set in terms of growing

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environments of true authenticity and in performance has proven winner.
As I've said to other people over the last twenty
four hours. You know, he came for the black fans
in twenty two actually as part of a World Cup

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winning team there, but people will be familiar with all
the success that he had with a Black Fern and
sevens program before, and you reflect that on the arc
of this time in women's rugby has probably been one
of the not the pre eminent figure through a period
of real growth and professionalization, and we're immensely grateful for

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everything he's done, you know, And now's the time to
chart a new course and we're pretty excited about what
comes next over the next four years and excited because
we can think we have we can have a real
crack at winning the maybe World Cup in twenty twenty nine.

Speaker 3 (01:31:16):
Do you have a preferred candidate in mind to replace.

Speaker 7 (01:31:19):
Him, No, we don't have a preferred candidate. We're very
open minded. We want to see who comes forward through
this application process. It's it's a critical role for us.
It's a great role. There's wonderful opportunity in front of
this team with the new competitions and tournaments in the

(01:31:43):
Lion Series ahead of us in the next four years,
and there's a fantastic base of players and staff to
work with. The players are absolutely hungry for coaching and knowledge,
incredibly coachable group wonderful environment and so IDE's been and

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so this is just a goal plated opportunity for somebody
to get and add to the legacy of the Black
Fans Jersey.

Speaker 3 (01:32:15):
Do you want it to be another New Zealander.

Speaker 7 (01:32:20):
I think it's my preference. I'm just talking personally, probably
their pioneer. We open minded as too as to where
the coach might hail from. But what's non negotiable is
two things. First of all, they have to be able
to demonstrate that they can maintain and even enhance the

(01:32:50):
team environment and the fantastic foundation that's been laid by
Allen and his management team and the players over the
last three years, because we do believe there's been a
great foundation laid there. The second requirement is that they
take the rugby forward. You know, we didn't achieve our

(01:33:12):
performance goal at Rugby World Cup that everybody could see
that the team has flashed its brilliance and we know
what we're capable of, but we just haven't seen it
all click quite as much as we.

Speaker 5 (01:33:27):
Would want to.

Speaker 7 (01:33:28):
And we have to be honest with ourselves about that,
and mouse the opportunity for a coaching group to come
together and.

Speaker 3 (01:33:38):
Take us to the next level, and your press release
you said that it's your intention to have the role
filled by Christmas. It's mid November. That seems optimistic. Is
it realistic?

Speaker 7 (01:33:51):
I think it's realistic. It's a practicality that we all
keeps turning. Our Black fans will be in camp late January,
early February, starting to get ready for the pack for
torn them up against Australia, Canada and the United State,
which is in April. So we need to keep moving.
We want to confirm the rest of the coaching and

(01:34:13):
management staff around that appointment, and so we'll see. Yeah,
I mean you might say it's an ambitious timeline. We
think it's definitely doable. But you know, we couldn't find
the right candidate for whatever reason, and I don't expect
that to be the case. But if we can't, then

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we would take stock.

Speaker 3 (01:34:35):
I guess with any appointment like this, it's natural to
look at those who are coaching at the elite level
and you you know, you go to Super Rugby, Opicky
and look at some of the coaches who are applying
their trade there. Do you believe there to be a
pool of candidates within Super Rugby, Opicky coaching circles, who
might you be tempted to apply for this role?

Speaker 7 (01:34:58):
I certainly hope. So, I mean you look at the
likes of a Willie Walker, who took the blacks and
fifteen this year. Obviously, Whitney Hanson who's been around the
Black Friend's environments previously. She was with with the team
and twenty twenty two at the World Cup, and has

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been leading and doing a great job at Matter two
over the past few years. So you know, those about
a couple of names as other senior coaches around the Traps.
And we also know when you think about compiling a
team of coaches that there's there's other young players in

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or players coming to the end of their playing careers
or who have just finished their playing careers and who
are transitioning into coaching who, whether or not with this team,
you know, have an opportunity to grow in the passway
in some of those other areas, whether at Taipiki or
Black Friend fifteen or play Friend seven. So we're pretty excited.

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As a said, it's a great role. We may be
surprised by who applies, and if so, that'll be exciting too.

Speaker 3 (01:36:15):
And you said before that it's imperative that whoever comes
in grows the team in terms of the way they
play the game. What are the things that you think
are required there, Chris. You know we've seen England and
how they've jumped their head. You know of the chasing pack.
Other nations have developed, the likes of Canada and others.

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What do you want to see need to see from
the black Ferns to get us back up to that
top table.

Speaker 7 (01:36:45):
There's an element pioneer that's learned by doing here. We
haven't played enough rugby in the past three years. That's
one of the scenes coming back from the review. We
need more games. We need more opportunity for our players

(01:37:05):
to back to executing their skills under pressure in chaotic
environments when you've got fifteen other people deliberately trying to mess.

Speaker 18 (01:37:14):
You up.

Speaker 7 (01:37:16):
And the ball numbers are We've played less test matches
than in the last three years than our main competitors England,
France and Canada. The global calendar changes in twenty twenty
six and we fix that problem. At international level. We're

(01:37:37):
still playing less rugby and super rugby opicky than for example,
in the PWR competition in England, but big Steamer is
about more more purposeful buying and just practicing those skill sets,

(01:37:59):
decision making under pressure and again better opposition, and we're
going to have the opportunity to do that all right.

Speaker 3 (01:38:06):
Well, hopefully by the time you hang the phone up,
a couple of applications will have arrived in your own
box and it'll be a popular It'll be a popular
proposition for a lot of people. So we look forward
to tracking progress on that and maybe catching up before
Christmas when you've got an announcement to make hundred percent.

Speaker 7 (01:38:24):
Would love to do that, and yes, I say so.
People who are listening to you today and thinking about applying,
I would encourage you to do so. You know, this
was a special special team, in a special role in
a group that's some pretty good art and just ready
to launch. So that's the exciting part of the next

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few years.

Speaker 2 (01:38:46):
Pony.

Speaker 3 (01:38:47):
Always appreciate chadding to you, Chris, thanks for taking the
time this.

Speaker 7 (01:38:50):
Afternoon, Vision mate, have a nice weekend.

Speaker 3 (01:38:52):
You have a nice weekend too, Chris. Thanks indeed, Chris Lendrum.
There the search is on for a new black Fern's coach.
New Zealand Rugby's general manager of a professional Rugby and Performance.
Chris lendrom Awa was good to have them on the show.
So there you go, you can apply. I see it's
they're taking applications through the website. I know it's a
niche position. Very interesting to see who they come up with.

(01:39:14):
I would love to see Whitney Hanson given a go.
I must say, I think she's done terrific work at
Matatu these last few years. Just seems as though she
might be ready to take that next step. A lot
of mail around about Willie Walker at the Blues. Of
course he's done brilliantly. A few texts essay that Wayne
Smith is the man we need back in there. Look,

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I'm not sure whether he would have the inclination to reapply.
I think he was sort of won and done in
twenty twenty one when he came in and did such
amazing work. Twenty twenty two, twenty twenty two, whenever it
was when the Black Ferns won twenty twenty two. I
don't think Wayne Smith would have the appetite to take

(01:39:54):
it on because you'd have to commit to the next
Rugby World Cup cycle, right, Fozzy and the Ferns has
a bit of a ring to it says Stephen, Well,
who knows, who knows? Like I say, applications or not applications.
But they want to make the appointment before Christmas. It's
the fifteenth of November now, so I guess, well, I

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guess they could keep applications open for a couple of weeks.
Run some interviews in the year go Pinty just tuned in,
says Gunner. Always good to hear from your gunner. Thanks
for sending a text through. Gunner says I'd love the
All Blacks to win tomorrow morning, but sadly they won't.
A couple of quick points. All Blacks have a real
problem on discipline at the moment, especially on defensive pressure,
constant penalties eventually leading to yellow cards, and the Poms

(01:40:39):
know that too. We have to let go of this
eighty minute dominant performance we're seeking. It's a fantasy. We're
doing well to one up to ten minutes at the
moment at a time and hoping to win occasional moments
to swing momentum our way. And three of the All
Blacks forwards rarely have to step up by engaging the
Pom's pack for long periods of time. By Mauls and
lineout drives. We have to fatigue them to have any chance.

(01:40:59):
But I have been wrong before, says Gunner. Not very often. Gunner,
in my experience, not very often. Holland has been proffered
as a possible coach of the Black Ferns. Well, he's
got international experience now, Jason Holland another one who perhaps
might be in the mix. Four the job two twenty five.

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It's going to take a break, come back and bring
Emma Twig into the show. I run out of superlatives
to describe Emma Twig. She is on target to go
to a sixth Olympic Games in Los Angeles in twenty
twenty eight. She's been to the last five as a rower,
a flatwater rower and as one medals at the last two,

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including gold in Tokyo. But now she's shifted her attention
to coastal rowing, which makes its debut at the Los
Angeles Olympics. We'll explain a bit more about coastal rowing
and how Emma Twigg became a world champion a week
or so ago when she joins us on Weekend Sport
after this.

Speaker 1 (01:42:01):
Those Voice of Sport on your home of Sport Weekend
Sport with Jason Vye GJ Gunn Homes New Zealand's most
trusted oh Builder News Talks ATV.

Speaker 3 (01:42:11):
News Talks two to twenty eight. Superhuman Kiwi rower Emma
Twig is on track for US sixth Olympic Games. She
became a world champion in the women's solo event at
the World Rowing Beach Sprint Finals in Turkey last weekend.

Speaker 22 (01:42:28):
She's taking her chances when looking over US older to
manage where that Flali boy is.

Speaker 21 (01:42:34):
Well, they've only got one Athley.

Speaker 22 (01:42:35):
Left in this world. Rumsey's been finals, but what athly
is enough to be crown champion.

Speaker 16 (01:42:41):
Of the world.

Speaker 3 (01:42:44):
Having competed at the last five Olympic Games in flatwater rowing,
winning golden Tokyo and twenty twenty one and silver in
Paris in twenty twenty four, Emma Twig is on track
to represent US in coastal rowing in La twenty twenty eight,
with the event being included in the Games for the
very first time. Emma Twig is with us. Congratulations Emma

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on your when in Turkey. Did you expect to become
a world champion this year?

Speaker 19 (01:43:12):
To be honest, I didn't.

Speaker 21 (01:43:13):
It's been a bit of a rough year in and
out of the boat, so to come away with a
world title was pretty unexpected. But you know, you've got
to take the winds when they come your way.

Speaker 3 (01:43:23):
What were the challenges that you've faced in twenty twenty five.

Speaker 21 (01:43:28):
Oh, I've had all sorts of kind of illness and injury.
I had a bit of dingy fever after a little
bit of a holiday to Ratonga, and then not long
before leaving, I had a bit of a flex or issue.
So the old bod is literally an old bod hanging
on for dear life. And yeah, just it all seemed
to come together in Turkey.

Speaker 3 (01:43:45):
Yeah, well it seems to still be doing the job.
Tell us about the specifics of your event. How long's
the race, how is it structured?

Speaker 19 (01:43:54):
Yes, it's a really cool event.

Speaker 21 (01:43:56):
It's a new la, new discipline, never been at the
Olympics before. Basically World rowing have decided that they need
to get more eyes on the sport and kind of
diversify and make it a bit more exciting. Beach sprints
was kind of concocted, I guess about three years ago.
It's a bit like the BMX or kind of t
twenty of cricket they've shortened the race to turn five
hundred meter race two hundred and fifty meters out around

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a turning boy one hundred and eighty degree turned back
to the beach. You've got to run down the beach,
jump into a boat, go through a slalom course, and
then obviously navigate your way back to the beach, jump
out of the boat, and run up and jump on
a buzzer.

Speaker 19 (01:44:32):
So there's a lot that.

Speaker 21 (01:44:33):
Can go wrong, but that makes it really exciting. And
it's essentially done in kind of like an amphitheaterst style
stadium and you're sitting watching the entire race unfold right
in front of you, So it's pretty cool.

Speaker 3 (01:44:44):
So how long does each race take?

Speaker 21 (01:44:48):
So it's about a turn and a half to three
minute race, depending on you know, with how rough it
is and the conditions. One of the races is a
time trial format, so it's just slightly longer than the
straight head head sprint. So it's about a third of
what a normal rowing race would be.

Speaker 2 (01:45:04):
Wow.

Speaker 3 (01:45:05):
And so it's spacey, as you say, it's a hard out,
sort of octane filled version of rowing. How different is
coastal rowing compared to rowing on flat water.

Speaker 21 (01:45:19):
Yeah, it's pretty drastically different in terms of the actual
the stroke that you're taking in the movement. It's very similar.
You're still in a rowing boat, but the boats are
completely different that a much bigger boat, much heavier. You
kind of show up at the regetter and you've got
to use what's in front of you, So you get
three minutes in between each race to figure out all
your settings. You've got people holding the boats for you

(01:45:40):
boat handers. Yeah, so it's just it's a completely different
set up in terms of what you're experiencing on the water,
and then obviously a different energy system because it's much
higher intensity for a short period. But the difference is
the thing that makes it similar to the seven minute
race and flat water is that you're backing up race
after race within ten minutes, so you're doing essentially three

(01:46:02):
races within kind of a twenty minute period. So you
still need to set the amount of endurance as well.

Speaker 3 (01:46:07):
And of course you're turning as well, which you don't
do on flat water. How important is turning at the boy.

Speaker 21 (01:46:14):
Yeah, the navigation is massive. You've got to do a
slalom out, so you've got to keep your eyes on
the boy, and obviously in a rowing boat you're going backwards,
so that can be challenging. And then you've got to
turn around one hundred and eighty degrees at the top mark,
and a lot of that is, you know, forces that
we're not used to in a flat water boat. There's
a lot of push rather than pull because you're kind
of pulling against each arm. I guess to get round
around the boy, and then you've got to line the

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boy up and go the fastest around it that you can.
So it can make a massive difference. You can be
you know, a link down coming into the boy and
then come out of it a lenk up if you
get it right and someone gets it wrong.

Speaker 3 (01:46:46):
So just for clarity, are you both turning at the
same boy or are there two boys out there?

Speaker 19 (01:46:51):
So there's the courses at two lanes. It's head not
out racing.

Speaker 21 (01:46:55):
So there's three boys that line the course, one being
the top boy, the middle boys the slalom, and then
the start boy. And so you've got two courses side
by side. You're racing someone head to head.

Speaker 3 (01:47:05):
Are you sort of learning say as you go? Are
you picking up things every time you do this?

Speaker 17 (01:47:09):
Oh?

Speaker 21 (01:47:10):
Absolutely, Like a week before we raced in Turkey. We've
kind of been refining how to get into a boat
because there's a lot to it. You've got to sprint
down the beach, but slow down and then jump in
a boat and you've got a moving seat and there's
just a lot going on. So we've been watching what
the rest of the world has been doing, and we're
a little bit of a disadvantage because the Europeans get
to race a bit more than we do, so there's

(01:47:30):
a lot of video analysis going on of what our
competitors are doing. And we essentially taught ourselves a little
bunny hot really before this regetter, so there's a lot
of low hanging fruit.

Speaker 3 (01:47:40):
For us to still find brilliant. So have you committed
Emma to La twenty twenty eight.

Speaker 21 (01:47:48):
In a sense, I guess I have. I've committed to
keep obviously pushing the boundaries.

Speaker 3 (01:47:54):
My aim of.

Speaker 21 (01:47:56):
Starting in the sport was to kind of, I guess,
reinvigorate and do something a bit different and something that
was a bit challenging, and it's worked out well this year,
so I'll give it another go next year. But you know,
I hope that more and more people will get into
the sport. I think it's got an amazing future and
if it's still me winning in LA then I'd love
to be there. And equally, if someone has surpassed me

(01:48:16):
by that stage, then that would be a real win
for the sport as well. So obviously I'm going to
try my absolute best, but yeah, we'll see. You know,
three years seems to be a long way away. When
you're at my age, or.

Speaker 3 (01:48:27):
At any age, I would say, do you still get
a buzz from the grind of it all? You know
that because you can't just jump on the boat and
do it, You've still got a train and everything like that.
Do you still does that still invigorate you?

Speaker 18 (01:48:40):
Yeah?

Speaker 21 (01:48:41):
I think the amazing thing about this new eventure for
me is that it's the same thing, but it's completely different.

Speaker 19 (01:48:46):
So it's for me, you know, spending.

Speaker 21 (01:48:49):
Hours and hours in a flat water boat like I
have done for the last twenty years wasn't really appealing,
but this is a different kind of energy system. I've
been able to do lots on the erg and on
a bike and in the gym and just be surrounded
by different people and then adding the elements of the
ocean and being by.

Speaker 19 (01:49:03):
The sea and bigger boats.

Speaker 21 (01:49:05):
It's just it's really kind of I guess it's extended
my career in a way that I never thought would
be possible, and I'm loving it. So while I'm loving it,
I'll keep chipping away.

Speaker 3 (01:49:14):
How long is the actual sort of sprinting on the
sand but at each end of the race, Oh.

Speaker 19 (01:49:19):
Not very long.

Speaker 21 (01:49:20):
It's enough to get up to speed and then have
to slow down again, So it's probably I think the limit.

Speaker 19 (01:49:26):
They can have is about fifty meters.

Speaker 3 (01:49:27):
Yea, thank you.

Speaker 21 (01:49:28):
I'm definitely not calling upon Zoe Hobbs for for any
kind of long distance sprinting, but yeah, a few.

Speaker 19 (01:49:35):
Pointers wouldn't go astray.

Speaker 3 (01:49:37):
Amazing. Well, it was just awesome watching you become a
world champion in Turkey last weekend, Emma, and great to
know that it's something that at least you'll be giving
a bit of dedication to over the next little while
to see where it takes you. So are you going
to get a break over the summer or actually is
summer kind of in season for you? What will the
next few months hold?

Speaker 13 (01:49:54):
Yeah?

Speaker 21 (01:49:55):
Well, we've actually got a five a series of five
regattas new this year for Beach Sprints and that kicks
off in a week or so.

Speaker 19 (01:50:02):
I won't be doing the first one, but I hope
to get to the rest. And yeah, a balance of just.

Speaker 21 (01:50:08):
Having some time with my son and now coming having
been away for a couple of weeks and enjoying the summer.
But yeah, now I guess we've got a goal of
the next World champcesor in China, so it will be
interesting outstanding.

Speaker 3 (01:50:20):
Well again, congratulations Emma, thank you for joining us, and
all the best for the next little while.

Speaker 19 (01:50:24):
Thanks so much.

Speaker 3 (01:50:25):
It's Emma Twig world champion and the women's solo event
at the World Rome Beach Sprint Finals and Turkey last weekend.
Yet it's a new and very exciting form of rowing
which will make its Olympic debut in Los Angeles and
twenty twenty eight. And well, by the sounds of it,
Emma Twig is very very keen to be our representative.
Interesting to hear say that as well, and very Emma

(01:50:46):
twigged this. Look, if it's me, great, If it's not,
then that's great for the sport. It'll have to be
some fairly talented athlete who knocks Emma Twig off that perch.
I would imagine twenty two away from three, you're going
to get you inside the All Whites camp shortly. They're
in the United States at the moment. They play Columbia
tomorrow in Florida. Jesse Ran, I'm not going to chat

(01:51:07):
to us very shortly, but time to play a sporting
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Speaker 16 (01:53:46):
What do you like, Greg, Well, Jesus as the last
two you sounded pretty good, mate, but you might go
for the middle one for Royguard and Jordan to score.

Speaker 3 (01:53:56):
And us to get twenty five points. I think it's
a good yeah, I can I can see it happening.
I mean, will Jordan get to try pretty much every
time he plays Cam Roygard's been done to dot down.
I reckon we get twenty five points, so look, we'll
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home three hundred bucks coming your way.

Speaker 5 (01:54:12):
Thank you very much.

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Got on your greg. Hold there just for a second.
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goes across the gold and this is gonna go.

Speaker 20 (01:54:39):
It's got it and it's been Sement who's given the
All Whites.

Speaker 19 (01:54:44):
The lead in Norway.

Speaker 3 (01:54:45):
Yeah, that was the last time the All Whites played
a one will draw with Norway last month. They play
Columbia tomorrow afternoon in Florida twenty past one kickoff and
Ecuador Wednesday afternoon in New Jersey. Let's bring in All
Whites and awklely the FC attack of Jesse Randall. But
if a whirl win for you. Jesse, you were called
in late to this camp as an injury replacement. You

(01:55:07):
played the derby in Wellington last weekend and what must
have found out a short time after that? When did
you actually find out that you'd be off to the
US with the All Whites?

Speaker 14 (01:55:18):
Yeah, funny it was Sunday morning, so yeah, pretty pretty
soon after after the derby base called and kind of
congratulated me on being called up to the All Whites,
And yeah, it came as a bit of a surprise,
a bit a nice a nice one.

Speaker 3 (01:55:36):
Yeah, absolutely must have been brilliant. So I'm assuming you'd
had a you'd had a bit of a celebration after
the win over Wellington, but you are quickly able to
sort of reseat yourself and get ready for All Whites duty.

Speaker 14 (01:55:48):
Yeah, of course, of course, I'm always always ready to
pick up the phone if it's yeah being wrong by bays.

Speaker 3 (01:55:55):
So yeah, it was.

Speaker 14 (01:55:58):
Obviously an unbelievable night for us or can I see
players and for the fans, and yeah, the focus quickly
switched to the All Whites on Sunday and then getting
prepared for my fly on Monday.

Speaker 3 (01:56:13):
How happy are you with the way you're playing right now?

Speaker 9 (01:56:17):
Yeah?

Speaker 14 (01:56:17):
I am happy, Yeah, very happy. It's obviously going well.
It's going well for me right now. I've been confident
in the way I've been playing, and I've got a
lot of confidence from the coaches and stuff, and yeah,
I think consistent game time across the past few months
has give me that confidence. So yeah, I'm happy with

(01:56:38):
how things to god.

Speaker 3 (01:56:39):
Having last season under your belt, a first fall season
with Auckland FC, has that helped coming into your second season.

Speaker 14 (01:56:47):
One hundred percent. That experience I've I've got from last
year has definitely helped me understand where I need to
work on particular parts of my game and how I
can kind of impact make an impact in this league
and for Aukland. So yeah, that's that season definitely kind

(01:57:12):
of set me up for this one.

Speaker 3 (01:57:13):
I think you mentioned the word confidence a couple of
times in your previous answer. What gives you that confidence
from the coaching staff? Is Is it the regular game time?
Is it the words of encouragement? Is it what you're
being asked to do? How do you get confidence from
the coaching staff?

Speaker 14 (01:57:29):
I think mainly it was from the late preseason, Like
I had a lot of minutes and I got a
lot of fitness from those minutes, and I think I
played quite an intense star football with a lot of
a lot of running in the high speed running. So
that fitness kind of gave me that confidence, I guess.

(01:57:52):
But then also knowing I'm being I pretty much started
every game in preseason, so I knew that was a
voted confidence from the coaches to.

Speaker 3 (01:58:02):
All right, well into Whites mode. Now, So what have
the last few days been like? Since you were right
and started preparing for first of all Columbia and then
Eckwood or two pretty highly rated sides, what are the
last two or three days been like.

Speaker 14 (01:58:15):
Yeah, it's been kind of just trying to get over
a debt lag to start with, especially for the first
night that I just straight into training. A couple of
days of training. Now get on the grass and yeah,
just start preparing for the next few games ahead, and yeah,
just get over the jet.

Speaker 3 (01:58:36):
If you all watch now, got a way of playing
that even if you miss a window. I mean, you
didn't pay that in the last window. Not many A
League players got caught up for that window. But is
there an all white style now that you're able to
sort of slot straight back into every time you come together?

Speaker 14 (01:58:52):
Yeah, for sure. And I think you're you get caught
up pretty quick with the coaching staff and well I've
been in the environment a few times. I think it's
my fourth time the last maybe fourteen months. So yeah,
you kind of just even though it's not long, you
you get used to it and you get filled in

(01:59:13):
pretty quick when you do get back.

Speaker 3 (01:59:15):
How do you prepare for matches against such highly rated opposition,
you know, games where it's highly likely that that they're
going to have more of the ball than you.

Speaker 14 (01:59:25):
Yeah, I think what you've got to do is just
stick to what well, we've got to stick to what
we do in terms of we can't focus on them
too much. We have to remember we are good players
as well, and we have to just focus on ourselves
really and continue to play the way we've been playing,

(01:59:49):
as there's been some very good results over the past
few windows.

Speaker 3 (01:59:54):
So all five of your caps for New Zealand have
been off the bench. That may well be. You know
your role on this on this tour as well, but
how keen are you to push for a starting spot
on this side?

Speaker 14 (02:00:04):
Oh yeah, I mean obviously when you play football you
want to start. But I know my role on the
team and I'm going to try and do my best
with whatever all that is, whether that's coming off the
bench or starting. I'm just you know, excited to make
the most of whatever opportunity I get.

Speaker 3 (02:00:25):
And is there an obvious general excitement in the All
Whites camp now with what we've got? The World Cup
draw coming up in just two or three weeks time,
so we're going to find out you know, who New
Zealand are up against next year, and then the tournament
itself is only about seven months away. So is there
an obvious excitement in the All White squad now about
the impending World Cup one?

Speaker 14 (02:00:45):
It's going to come around the corner pretty quick. I
think it's going to be here before we know it.
And obviously it's made more real by the fact that
where we've got the draw and not long and then
there's we're playing Columbia and e could or pretty soon,
so two massive nations switch the Whites will probably come

(02:01:08):
up against similar likes to them in the World Cup.
So yeah, buzzing to just be around it.

Speaker 3 (02:01:14):
And how do you as players balance your own personal
aspirations with the team aspirations. I mean, as you said before,
everybody wants to play right, not everybody can, but and
everybody wants to be on that plane next year. How
do you balance, you know, what you want personally with
what you want to achieve as a team.

Speaker 14 (02:01:32):
Oh, I mean I think the team is the priority.
So you kind of just you know, work your hardest
in training and put yourself in the best opportunity to
put some in the best position, sorry to play in
whatever role that you have is just to help the
team achieve success.

Speaker 9 (02:01:52):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (02:01:52):
And do you feel like every time you walk out
there in a training session, in any team situation, a
game is a training session, whatever it might be, that
you have an opportunity to, you know, to pres your
claims to be part of that squad next year.

Speaker 2 (02:02:06):
Yeah.

Speaker 14 (02:02:06):
Yeah, Well of course I go out there and do
my best every time, and that's you know, that's all
I can ask of myself, and that's something I've been doing.
So yeah, time will tell.

Speaker 3 (02:02:20):
Did Steve Corracer tell you're not to get injured?

Speaker 14 (02:02:25):
No, I haven't had any any talks, you know, I
think kind of just trying to focus on this for
now and then you know that will come around soon enough.

Speaker 3 (02:02:36):
Good man, Jesse, Hey, we'll congrats on the call up.
I hope to see you out there against one or
both of Columbia and Ecuador and back in the A
League soon. Really appreciate you taking the time for a chat.

Speaker 14 (02:02:45):
Yees pony, thank you.

Speaker 3 (02:02:46):
No, thank you mate. That as Jesse rand aloud of
the All Whites. They play Columbia tomorrow one thirty New
Zealand time kick off and then Ecuador on Wednesday at
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