Full Show Podcast: 16 November 2025

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sport with you until three.

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I think flam.

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Sporting Day Day nineteen.

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England have denied the All Blacks a Grand Slam, handed
them a third defeat of the year, and achieved their
first foot over US since twenty nineteen. They're first against
US at Twickenham since twenty twelve, just a second home
win over the All Blacks in twenty three years. It's

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their second biggest winning margin over US and the second
most points they've ever scored in a Test against the
All Blacks. All Black's assistant coach Tumoty Allison along shortly
and English view from the BBC's Chris Jones, But lots
of time for your thoughts and I know you will
have some lines open immediately and across the afternoon to

(01:39):
analyze this All Blacks performance and if we zoom out
to analyze exactly where the All Blacks are at two
years into Scott Robertson's tenure and two years out from
the next Rugby World Cup, the All Blacks are our
focus for a decent chunk of the afternoon. Lines are
open immediately other matters around today. An eagle on the

(02:02):
last hole has key we go for Daniel Hillier in
a tie for seven h four strokes off the lead
after three rounds of the season ending DP World Tour
Championship finale in Tubai and still with a PGA Tour
card in his sight. It's going to assess his chances
on the final day when that gets underweight tonight with
golf coach Jay Carter after two the competition schedules out

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for the LA Olympics. We'll have a look at that.
And after an incredible career spanning over fifteen years, Black
Sticks men's defender and former captain Blair Tarrant has announced
his retirement. He's on the show this afternoon too, James
mcconey as usual on a Sunday Live Sport this afternoon.
The All Whites up against Columbia from one point thirty.
Will keep eyes on that for you, and the black

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Caps and West Indies going to fifty over mode. Game
one of their three match ODII series starts at two
today at Hagleoval and christ Church. Progress scores for you
once that gets underway, Please join the show if you
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Colla, Nick ahead, reget it.

Speaker 3 (03:34):
England thirty three All Blacks nineteen All Black's assistant coach
Tamothy Ellison is with us. Tomody, thanks for joining us.
What's your overall evaluation of the All Blacks performance today?

Speaker 6 (03:45):
You probably didn't take opportunities in the first half. They
took beers, you know, they and then started well after
the half.

Speaker 3 (03:55):
What areas in particular are going to be most important
for you to review and address.

Speaker 6 (04:03):
I think a couple of structural on the defensive side
out of the ball, just off the line out there
and off the scrum. Probably a couple of individual pieces,
but still a bit of job of helping each other
and being clear on who's doing what pre pre scrum
engagement before the ball comes out of the line out, is.

Speaker 3 (04:23):
The team implementing the game plan that you're asking them to.

Speaker 6 (04:28):
Yeah, I think when you when you see the boys
play with speed, you use their feet, and I think
you saw, you know, when we created those opportunities on
the edges in the first half, I was really clear
with the spot the space was, and so we had
more opportunities to get there as well. So you know,
I think we look really good in those moments.

Speaker 3 (04:50):
What did you make of the yellow card, Cody Taylor?

Speaker 7 (04:54):
Yeah, it's fair.

Speaker 6 (04:55):
You know, the rest are coming down now on on
cynical plane that was deemed cynical. So yeah, if you're
going to steal the ball, you're going to steal it
while they're still in the air, not once it's hit
the ground.

Speaker 3 (05:06):
Why is the twenty minute period after halftime such an
issue for you at the moment?

Speaker 6 (05:13):
I think that you know, in the game context, you
know the opposition teams have have come out and really
fired the first shot, So I think it's important that
we're really clear on what that looks like and that
team's really come out after the half with that intent.
At the same time, I thought that they started with

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intent as well, regardless of the score, their their collisions
and their carry and clean and the time they stolen
the tackle.

Speaker 7 (05:41):
They did a really good job there.

Speaker 3 (05:43):
What's fatigue effactor at all today?

Speaker 6 (05:46):
Yeah, I think it's always a fact that it's something
that you have to manage and you and you.

Speaker 7 (05:51):
Do the best.

Speaker 6 (05:51):
As I said in the part, we've got net Gil here,
we're really lucky he structures the week around load of
what the boys need and obviously he's he's done that
for a long time. So there's always going to be
fatigued just this end of the season for teams that
are coming towards the end. So it's just just making

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sure that we're really clear with the coms and and
when someone's had enough, like in any collision support that
you get the next glay on And.

Speaker 3 (06:20):
What about the aerial game Tamote. How much more improvement
do you perceive there is still required there?

Speaker 7 (06:27):
Yeah?

Speaker 6 (06:27):
I think in all the games, you know, like the
Spring Box Italy game earlier, the amount of you know,
clean catches that weren't taken. It's more the work after
the catch and the scraps on the ground that we're
seeing more and more. You know, it's a constant work
on for us, for sure, but it's also constant work

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on for everyone now adapting to the rules, not just
on in the air but on the ground also. You
see when when the board bobbles, who's first to get that?

Speaker 3 (06:59):
Have you seen improvements in general terms on this all
Black side in twenty twenty five?

Speaker 7 (07:04):
Yeah? I think so.

Speaker 6 (07:06):
I definitely do you know different different players coming in
and executing.

Speaker 7 (07:15):
Here for sure?

Speaker 3 (07:17):
And if you're looking for areas where more improvement is
still needed, where would you be focusing?

Speaker 6 (07:24):
You always start with my area that you know something
I lead around the defense and I'm stealing time in
the techle. We did a good job against the Scotts
last week of slowing them down de fending for long phases,
which you have to do at times, whereas tonight we
didn't probably steal as much time in a tackle and
they were able to play with more speed than than

(07:45):
we would have liked.

Speaker 3 (07:47):
So we're about to reach the midway point of the
World Cup cycle. How far from where you want to be?
Are you?

Speaker 7 (07:56):
Oh?

Speaker 6 (07:56):
This this is definitely still a gift, and you know
we're always chasing and building towards where we want to
get to for sure.

Speaker 7 (08:07):
And the continuing to adapt to the game.

Speaker 6 (08:09):
As you mentioned, the aerial game is something and there's
been massive the sheer across all the internationals, so that
these individual areas and it's a matter of continuing to
develop the individuals for those roles.

Speaker 3 (08:22):
And I know it's not your particular brief, but in
terms of attack is there's still some work to do
around around sparking the backline more regularly rather than relying
on individual flashes of brilliance to score tries.

Speaker 7 (08:36):
I think I think it's both.

Speaker 6 (08:37):
You know, the really back out athletes in one on
one situations. At the same time you're always trying to
drive more cohesion and more rhythm, So it's definitely both.
We've got great individual athletes and we want them to
fully express themselves.

Speaker 7 (08:53):
So they said that there's a gap in all.

Speaker 6 (08:57):
The areas and so they should be because of the
standard that we're chasing.

Speaker 3 (09:02):
Is this a gutting loss for you?

Speaker 7 (09:07):
It is definitely is yes.

Speaker 6 (09:11):
I mean you only have to come into the changing
room to see that and see how much the group
feels it.

Speaker 7 (09:17):
You know. The important thing now.

Speaker 6 (09:18):
Is is we bounced back quick because you know, the
losses have got the shoe, have had a week off
at the end of the RC before.

Speaker 7 (09:26):
Going into a new team, so we'll have to bounce fast.

Speaker 8 (09:29):
All right.

Speaker 3 (09:29):
Tommody, Hey, thanks for taking our call. Appreciated. That's Tomothy Ellison,
one of the assistant coaches of the All Blacks. Lines
open for your reaction to what you heard there, to
what you saw or heard this morning. Oh one hundred
and eighty ten eighty one. Thing is pretty clear the
All Blacks have not improved under Scott Robertson. As fans,

(09:53):
we are not more confident now than we were at
the start of Racer's tenure. Twenty six test matches, nineteen wins,
seven losses. It's a seventy three percent win record. Three
loss to Sue South Africa twice to Argentina de France
and out of England. But the numbers are only part
of this. What is the All Blacks game plan? What

(10:16):
is the strategy for winning these big test matches? What
should we be seeing out there at the moment. We're
winning test matches courtesy really of individual brilliants rather than
a well executed and obvious game plan. Last week against Scotland,
Damien McKenzie basically won that game for us off the bench.
The previous week against Ireland, a late surge after a

(10:37):
pretty underwhelming first hour. Today, we didn't get those flashes
of inspiration and relying on them isn't a sound strategy anyway,
because it means we become dependent on individuals, not on
a game plan which works regardless of who was out there.
Where are the creative back line moves that were a
hallmark of the great All Black sides, using pace, quick hands,

(11:02):
deception accuracy to cut open the opposition. Very rarely in
the last two years have we seen a consistently cohesive
attacking performance from the All Blacks. The inexplicable third quarter
blues which have afflicted the All Blacks. This requires examination.

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We haven't scored a single point between halftime and the
sixty minute mark. In the last four Test matches, Ireland
got only three points in that period in Chicago, Scotland
scored seventeen unanswered points in that period last weekend, and
England scored fourteen unanswered points in that period. Today we

(11:44):
were actually pretty good in the first half. Certainly in
the first twenty five minutes two tries, not a single
penalty conceded, disrupting England's line out, repelling everything they threw
at us. But those two late drop goals in the
first half, which squeezed the score line up, just gave
England a springboard to pounce from in the second half,
and once they were ahead, helped by another avoidable yellow
card to one of the team's veterans, there never seemed

(12:05):
to be an obvious way back for the All Blacks.
I always used to think the All Blacks would win
Test matches even if they were behind. I didn't get
that feeling this morning. Our aerial game is still a
major weakness. Teams know it. England peppered us and got rewards.
Will Jordan is an absolutely fantastic rugby player, but this

(12:25):
is a glaring weakness in his game and teams will
capitalize on it. Boden Barrett absolutely magnificent servant and player
for the All Blacks, but he's had a challenging year
and this morning was another mixed performance, missing touchs from
penalties something he never does, has kicked and play inaccurate.

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He just looked well off his game, out of gas.
It was revealed afterwards he was carrying an injury, which
clearly didn't help, but Bowden Barrett had one of his
less memorable test matches. Look, the All Blacks are going
to beat Wales next week and some guys who have
had to hold tackle bags during the week and watch
from the stands in the last three game are going
to get the chance to end their year on a high.

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But that won't mask the fact that this is an
All Black side at a crossroads. A group of terrific
rugby players who are failing to be consistently meshed into
a truly imposing team. There are teams struggling to find
an identity and the ability to play for eighty minutes

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or even close to it, a coaching staff with several
areas of concern to address, and a group with a
huge chunk of work to do in the next two
years if they are to mount a serious challenge for
the next Rugby World Cup.

Speaker 1 (13:44):
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Speaker 3 (13:51):
Let's get to some of your calls. Blair high mate,
thanks for holding.

Speaker 9 (13:55):
Here you give the mate.

Speaker 10 (13:56):
Yeah, well you've given a good summary there. I would
I would say if you were rating the All Blacks
right at this moment in time, you'd have to give
this season five out of ten. But worse, if you
were rating the coaches, you'd give them a three out
of ten. There doesn't seem to be a game plan.
There doesn't seem to be a focus on discipline. There

(14:17):
doesn't seem to be a focus on taking the high ball.
With George Barrett gone, who is there who you could
actually look at and go it's all right, he's dropping
back to take the high ball. The forwards, well I'm
going to have a little go here. Pioneered some sacred cows.

(14:38):
Where's day to saba Bean? All season he was outplayed
by Argentina, outplayed by South Africa, outplayed by Australia, and
he was outplayed today by England. But you know we
keep where what would we have done if we had
had carefe with a bit of mongrel breakdown today because
Lark Eye's been very good. Park has been okay and

(14:59):
I think he'll get better. So Teeth he's been very average. Barrett,
Scott Barrett hasn't fired a shotle see Cody Taylor. You know,
these are guys, leadership guys, and they're just stop providing
any leadership. Holland and Larkeye have been our best forwards
this season by by a country mile. You know, Lord

(15:22):
and Dowry show promise. Tocy looks good when he's given opportunities,
but there doesn't seem to be any leadership up front,
and I think that spills into the back line. Body's
been injured. Paf the season. He you know, he's had
a shocking too of the head knocks and stuff. But
for some reason, Scott Robinson only wants Reuben Loved to

(15:45):
carry tacklebacks.

Speaker 3 (15:48):
Yeah there was a yeah, yeah, Lots lots to unpack
their blair. I want to I want to pick on
a pick up on a couple of things that you said.
There does seem to be still an inherent conservatism about
selection has to be said, and that would be fine
if we were winning every week, but that's not the case.
And also it actually wouldn't matter if we lost the

(16:08):
odd test match here and there if we could see improvement.
I just cannot see improvement in this team. I don't feel,
like I said at the start of the show, I
don't feel more confident now than I did two years ago.
I don't. I haven't seen anywhere near enough in the
last two years to feel confident about the World Cup

(16:30):
in two years from now. Look, there are other teams
who have had lulls in between World Cups and have
come good at the right time. But there are so
many areas to address here, and you've picked up on
about a dozen of them. I don't even know where
you would start. You would have to come up with
the most important things. Your first point about the aerial ball,
I mean, Will Jordan just looks like he looks just

(16:53):
so uncertain under the high ball. I just don't understand it.
For a guy who's so good in every other part
of his game and has the best coaches apparently at
his disposal to teach him this stuff, that he just
looks so uncertain under the high ball, I just don't
understand it.

Speaker 10 (17:12):
Yeah, I don't get it. I don't you know, and
I don't think we have a coach there who you know,
We've had some great players Israel, Dad, Ben Smith, Corey
Jane that they were some of the best exponents of
the high ball in the world for years, and yet
suddenly we've got a bunch of guys who can't catch

(17:35):
the high ball. To save themselves.

Speaker 3 (17:37):
We need to get mc burn, We need to get
mc burn back in there. Blair's he was the guy
who was instrumental in that bomb squad of twenty eleven.
Mcburn Corey Jane says it the reason that he in
Israel and Richard Carhu he was so good that year
was because of the guidance they got from mc burn.
And yeah, I know you can't go back, mate, but yeah,

(17:59):
hey Blair, I've got a lot of calls to get
to us. You can probably understand. Thanks for kicking us
off in such passionate fashion. Mate, Jill, Hello, oh hi,
how are you. I'm okay, Jill, that's good.

Speaker 11 (18:11):
Well, I'm not because of the.

Speaker 12 (18:16):
Depth of the loss. To me is that What I'm
thinking is the Barretts have done their time.

Speaker 13 (18:25):
A part.

Speaker 12 (18:25):
Maybe Jordie can carry on. But I think the rest
of them have done their days well.

Speaker 3 (18:33):
I would say, Jill that they have not had memorable years.
Scott and Boden, they've both been afflicted by injury. I
think Boden, by his own admission, has has for whatever reason,
struggled this year, which is so odd to say about
a one hundred and forty test all black. But to

(18:53):
me today he just looked. He lookspen, he looked out
of gas to me, and he made uncharacteristic errors. Scott Baron. Look,
I've said a couple of times I've said, sorry, Jill,
I will come back to you. On Scott've a couple
of times I've said, I think he's incumbered by I
think he's encumbered by the captaincy and I just wonder
whether it sits comfortably with him. Jordie, I think we'll

(19:14):
be back. Yeah, I think JORDI will be back.

Speaker 12 (19:17):
Body has been a great servant and I agree with you.
I don't think the captain tree suits Scott, and therefore.

Speaker 4 (19:29):
I would like Ardie Severe.

Speaker 14 (19:33):
To step in.

Speaker 12 (19:36):
Doesn't mean Scott's not a good player, that just means
the captaincye isn't suited to him.

Speaker 3 (19:44):
Yeah, and that's no crime, Jill, is it? That's no crime.
There's a lot There are a lot of players who
who are terrific players and who don't, sue Captain c.
We can't tell what Scott Barrett's like inside the team environment.
It's impossible for us to tell. We don't know, but
I don't know. He just looks wayed down by it.

(20:04):
It just doesn't seem like a nat All fit for him.
And that's okay. On that said it a couple of
weeks ago, go away and be the best lock forward
in the world, because we know how good he can be.
Thanks j you'll appreciate it. Riccardo, Hello, Ricardo? Have we

(20:25):
got yet?

Speaker 15 (20:26):
No?

Speaker 3 (20:27):
Ricardo's gone. It's got a Peter up Hey, Peter, Well,
the only I.

Speaker 4 (20:32):
Just thought a bit of breath. I'm just trying, man.

Speaker 3 (20:34):
Irons, You're you're just doing what what are you out about?
Getting some? Are you nice?

Speaker 8 (20:42):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (20:42):
He didn't better exercise right Mount Island and Monica. It's
a great walk.

Speaker 9 (20:47):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (20:48):
Look, I rang you a couple of weeks ago about
Burden Barrus and you said he made uncharacteristic yeah, and
characteristic errors yesterday. Well then they're not uncharacteristic. I brought
up the fact that that was an error he made
in that game, and he made the same error twice
in this game. Now that's not uncharacteristic. Now we had,

(21:14):
we had momentum up until the point where he picked
it away. He kicked that first enalty dick into the
in a goal, and the momentum sagged. And then he
did it again on the left touch line, and it
sagged even more and the momentum never recovered from that point.

(21:36):
So I put the loss. I set the loss home
to Golden Barrats. If we had those kicks would have
ended up very close to the try line, and our
lineouts were going so well, chances are we would have
scored twice. Now he's got to stop kicking. And at
one other point he made an aimless kick back, just aimless,

(21:58):
and they picked it up and ran with it. And
just he's got to stop kicking. And I see in
the second half they put Jordan on the kicking role.
He was allowed to kick tible to kicks to touch anymore.
Jordan did it, or Jordan should have been doing it
all the way along. I just don't get it. And
that seats home to Scott Robinson. He's fully responsible for that,
and I shoot it home to him and the coaching.

(22:21):
I hate bagging coaches, but by golly, something's got to change.
We are not going ahead, we're going backwards and Boden
Barrett has got a problem and it needs to be fixed.
If he needs to be removed or told not to kick,
but something's got to be done. It's hugely frustrating for
me as a fan, and I'm sure for others to
see that happening. We had real momentum and we lost it.

Speaker 3 (22:45):
Thanks Peta. Sounds like the walks been invigorating for you.
I hope it continues to be. Boden Barrett will be
the first to self examine his performance. He is that
kind of guy. He will be very, very disappointed with
the way he played. Cam Roygat also missed a kick

(23:05):
to touch. We found out afterwards Boat and Barratt's carrying
a quad injury. I know that's you know by the
bye as far as some of his decision making and
kicking today is concerned, but I guess we have to
factor that in. It feels as though Scott Robertson has
chips in on Richie Mwonga and is probably hoping with

(23:31):
everything he has that Richie Mulwonga will come in and
will steady this ship. But there's absolutely no guarantee that
that will happen. Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty twelve thirty,
Mark Holdal, I've got a spear line there, which is
unusual on daylight. This if you want to pick it up,
I eight hundred and eighty ten eighty back with more
of your calls and feedback after this one.

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Speaker 3 (24:09):
It was going okay for a while.

Speaker 9 (24:11):
Hello, Mike, Hey, Finny. Yeah, the elephant in the room
is that yellow cad. I think it had a big
sway on the game. I think, yeah, it was probably
one of the worst yellow cards I've ever seen, and
it's just an indication that yellow and red cards are
ruining in international rugby. Really, I mean, it was just pathetic.
If you're going to give a yellow card like that,
you could just about seen every player off with every penalty,

(24:34):
every single bleoming game. It was just absolutely ridiculous and
I just fully didn't understand it, and we'll understand it
to the day I die. It's it's just adiotic. But
the All Black season is sort of winding up. I
guess we hopefully will beat Wales, but yeah, I just
it took me back to sort of six years ago

(24:54):
the game where you know they have this rush defense,
we know what they're going to do, They're going to
do that every time, and we just haven't in six years.
We don't seem to have come anywhere from it. In
the kicking, we're one of the worst top kicking teams
in the world. You've got to hand it to England
and Ireland. I remember when Ireland came here, just watching

(25:17):
their kicking was almost quite a treat because it was
just purposeful and completely accurate. Every time. We don't seem
to have that in our play. A lot of the
kicks we put up aren't even contested half the time,
they go straight to the other scene, whereas when England
were kicking, every single one of those kicks were contested
and oftentimes won.

Speaker 3 (25:39):
Just on the kicking I think you and I have
talked about this quite a bit, Mark, just.

Speaker 15 (25:47):
Yep.

Speaker 3 (25:48):
I was watching it this morning and every time we
put a kick up, I thought, to our stuff, I
wonder if we'll contest, and more often than not it
was too far ahead to contest. But with every England kick,
it's clearly a tactic and it's clearly technically been worked on.
Every kick is content And look, you don't blame them,

(26:09):
do you, because it is a vulnerability of ours at
the moment, but just a pure technique of the kick
and the chase.

Speaker 15 (26:19):
I saw.

Speaker 3 (26:19):
I'm bother bewildered by at all, Mike, as you could
probably hear.

Speaker 9 (26:24):
It doesn't seem to be a complicated process to put
a kick up and then continue people to catch it.
But you know, I mean Will Jordan's a tall player.
I mean Cadi of Clark's, you know, pretty tall. I
mean to me, they say it to work on, but
you know, they've got a whole week, they got forty
or fifty hours in a week to sort of practice it.
But it doesn't seem to improve the hell of them.

(26:44):
But yeah, again, just going back to that, I thought
against the French there and at some part they really
almost it was almost like ten minutes and they really
changed the way they punched through the forward pack and
it was really quite good to see because it was
something different I saw in this All Black side and
it was something that you need to change because it

(27:06):
is you said, I don't Richie Muwanga is going to
come back.

Speaker 16 (27:09):
He's not going to be able to.

Speaker 9 (27:10):
Penetrate that that white line of England jerseys when they
rush defense and we don't seem to have any plan
to be able to do that. And to me, it's
it's just a lack of a lack of imagination and
vision within the All Black coaching that they have these
set plans. A goalie touched on it this morning. He said,

(27:30):
you know, we used to play play play what was
in front of us, but we sort of play these structures.
And I think that's maybe the criticism I have of
Robinson that that he's got these structures and it works
for Canterbury, but maybe it doesn't work at international level
where you just keep doing the same thing over and
over again, you know what I mean, There needs to

(27:51):
be another plan. There needs to be another plan when
that's not working. Like if you if you've got these
back line moves where you try and get the ball
out past their rush defense, and it works on occasion,
but if you keep doing that over and over again,
and you saw it points during the game where they
were rushing passes, the ball went to no one because
they were up in our face and we didn't know

(28:12):
what to do. And yeah, to me, it's just a
lack of imagination, really.

Speaker 3 (28:19):
Yeah no, But it used to be a hallmark of
our smart I remember watching the and I don't want
to get misty eyed here because there's no real point
in it, but all Black sides used to be world
leaders in attacking creativity, you know, back line moves with
a bit of misdirection, quick hands, slick skills, you know,

(28:41):
unpredictability and players who you know could also add a
dash of individual brilliance. But it was more back line cohesion,
and it just doesn't seem to be there anymore. Look,
I know they're making a change, or there's there's going
to be a change. I think Jason Holland is in
charge of attack. He is obviously finishing up at the

(29:02):
end of the year, as we know.

Speaker 9 (29:08):
I don't think the backline, to me, is still world
class well, I think it is. I mean, like the
injuries we've had. I mean, you've taken Jordie away, you know,
you know you can see when cam Roy goes out,
there's certainly a drop and the quality of the person
that comes and behind them. I mean I think probably
having Richie Muwanga back, if he could come back and

(29:29):
recapture some of that form that he has, I mean,
he is to me, he probably is a better kicker
than Jeordie was. You know when we last saw Richie Muwanga.
His kicking is technical kicking. I think was better than
Boone and Barratt. But I'm not a Bode and Barrett
Basher at all. He's a fantastic player and servant and
he's probably going to be by this time he's finished

(29:51):
the most captial Black of all time. So yeah, i'd
never fashion I think he plays well ninety percent at
the time. But I mean every players has a bad game.

Speaker 3 (30:00):
Good on you, Mark, always good chatting mate. Thanks for
taking the time to call in twenty one to one less.
Keep going, John, Hello, how's it go?

Speaker 8 (30:10):
Good?

Speaker 3 (30:10):
John?

Speaker 7 (30:11):
Good?

Speaker 8 (30:12):
I just I just I just think we're this whole
tour we've just lacked match sharpness.

Speaker 4 (30:19):
We don't look foot.

Speaker 8 (30:20):
I don't know how many times I watched the game
and our forwards look last off the ground. These high kicks,
we never seem to get the rubber of the green
because we're just too far away. We just look we
just don't look foot, if you're my opinion, we don't
look sharp like the Richie McCoury because we're not foot.

Speaker 3 (30:38):
I think John, I think it might be fatigue, which
is an odd thing to say, but a lot of
those a couple of those guys look out against to me, yeah.

Speaker 8 (30:48):
Well you know, I mean I've watched a lot of
the NPC and and you watch Josh Lord, he's been
the best forward on tour because he played in the
n PC. Foot he's mets foot, ready to go. You know,
we speak, we speak, yeah after almost what we've played
against five minutes against Ireland and he hasn't played since

(31:08):
the Rugby Championship. I meant, you can't be match sharp,
you know. So we just we just got we just
got to realize that maybe sometimes you look at if
you look at the New Zealand fifteen, he's doing the
right you know what I mean, And they match foot
because they come out of the n PC, we just
we're just we're just not fit. I just don't help people. Yeah,

(31:30):
you make silly mistake when you're not foot Barretts making
them the line that's not going well under fatigue, underprecire.
We've lined on our fitness. We don't have that anymore,
you know.

Speaker 4 (31:39):
And not that you mean some.

Speaker 8 (31:40):
Of our tight forwards they don't even look for in
the NPC when they played, and they still maybe all black.
So I meant the sharpness of the game comes back
to fitness.

Speaker 4 (31:48):
For our team.

Speaker 8 (31:49):
And as I watched the documentary on from Burger the
s Arican lock forward to Burger, he said, and he
said in the Sican documentary the other day our podcast,
he said, he's in game ten as good if you're
super fit, but it's not waterproof. Ut least you're super
fit and we're not super fitch get the moment. So yeah,

(32:15):
we last off the ground. You know, I watched that
game that England's on our line and our captain was
like last off the ground by heats and then he
stort of just stood behind someone else in the roll
defenctive on. So you know, I mean us that play
rugby just can see it. You know, we're just not
shovel enough. And and I just think it's because they're
not playing n PC. I really do this fatigue, but

(32:38):
they've had you can say fatigue, but they had a
month off.

Speaker 3 (32:40):
Yeah, yeah, I guess that's nice thing, fatigue, John. And
you know, it's such an interesting point you make. I
say fatigue because that's what it looks like. But as
you say, they've actually played less rugby than some of
the other blocks are out there who look so you're right,
it's that it's that match fitness that, you know, compared
to a bit of sluggishness when you haven't had a game.

(33:00):
From the problem I strike because they'll bring some guys
in next week. I guess. A good example Ruben Love
hasn't hasn't had a game a rugby for a while.
I mean he dropped into the dropped into the into
the All blacksmithteen and I'm sure he was rapped to
do it. You know, you want him to come in
and make a difference next week, and he's a he's
a young foot guy who may well do that. But
it's that balance between between having opportunity playing rugby but

(33:22):
also this whole sports science around refreshing and recovering and
all that sort of thing. So it's such an interesting
point you make.

Speaker 8 (33:31):
Well, the other position we're going on about a center,
but the center from Kennery Company is Brad Yep. He's
he was awesome in the NPC. He's fit, he's match foot,
he shar't ready to go, but he won't get in
because you know, I mean, it's like we're sticking with
these guys without creating any contests. The contest is coming
the first five for Icago for Taraniki Lord what's his name,

(33:55):
Josh jac Jacobs. I mean, the metch fit. They're playing well.
Put pressure on these other guys. Somehow you can get
through it. The other Icigo Open soft Flinger. He's doing
the right and the players are there and they're playing
rugby and they fit. They need to be putting pressure
on these guys. But at the moment it feels a
bit no. This may sound real mean, but it feels

(34:17):
like a big boys club. Everyone's scratching everyone else's back.

Speaker 3 (34:22):
Good analysis from you, John, Thank you for calling in mate.
I appreciate your time very much. Ricardo and l please
all've got to get a breakaway back with more after
the sixteen to one?

Speaker 1 (34:32):
Would you be the TMO? Have your say on eight
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Speaker 2 (34:43):
They'd be.

Speaker 5 (34:44):
I poured all their pegs time Lawrence, Lawrence the Powerful
Perry get.

Speaker 3 (34:50):
Lawrence England's first try, which began their comeback. Ricardo, thanks
for holding good.

Speaker 17 (34:55):
Afternoon, gooday, Jason?

Speaker 18 (34:57):
Can you hear me? Okay?

Speaker 3 (34:58):
I can gotcha?

Speaker 18 (34:58):
Fine, mate, fantastic mate. How do I get That hour
and twenty minutes that I lost back into my life?
Was an absolutely shock of mate, you know I got.
I got so excited, you know, three thirty builder, you know,
and then what's the kickoff and things like that. We
had an amazing start, momentum was on outside and then
I think there's two job goals that they got just
before the half definitely swung the momentum over to England.

(35:22):
I honestly felt there was no cohesiveness. We had no
counter for the pressure defense or the rush defense that
they put on us. I just felt like, yeah, like
you mentioned, it was just a bunch of individuals. They
were just hoping someone would would would flip the coin
and and and and you know, make something out of nothing.

(35:44):
I had no, absolutely zero confidence in our ball security.
I just felt like, Okay, they're going to drop it somewhere.
They're going to lose the ball somewhere because of the
way they played. I just I just felt like this
wasn't an All Black team. They had pried in that
jersey I have. You know, I used to be a
I used to be an anti sort of Foster and

(36:07):
the way he was criticized in things like that. But look,
that's the difference between this current coach now. Because it
was tou Foster, the dagger would have been already in
and he would have been gone. So I don't know,
I don't know. I just felt I just feel like
Scott Robinson doesn't have a clue in terms of what's
going on in terms of the team structure. Ah, Mate,
I just can't believe I'm watching the All Blacks. Mate.

(36:28):
I've seen better back line play angle, you know, angle
running from the backs ex churcher in club rugby. I
just felt like, mate, this is the pinnacle of our
sport and the way they're playing. It's just this is
a shocker. Yeah, soo many loose sportes, too many turnovers
and just just just the just just their parade and
their jersey. Just saw the heads drop just you know

(36:48):
when they when they when they hit the lead. Give
us no indication that you know, the or Blacks were
going to come back from this. I just I don't know.
I just felt so Tit and the Kenzie could have gone,
could have started their second half coming on in what
twenty twenty twenty minutes to go and expect them to
perform miracles. Mate, know, that's a shock. So that's why
I stand. I just felt it was very, very disappointing.

(37:11):
And look, it wasn't like a six point seven point loss.
It was an absolute, you know, a fourteen fifteen point
and that's that's unlikely. That looks like watching Uruguay loose
to English.

Speaker 3 (37:23):
Good good summary, Very good summary, Ricardo. The thing that
resonates most of me on what you said, just flick
that radio down in the background they mate so we
can have a decent conversation is yeah, must better. The
thing that resonated with what you said there was the
attack bit, and I've picked up on it before, and
it just you're right, it doesn't feel as though there's
cohesion when we have ball in hand. It's just a

(37:45):
series of one off runners trying to get past a
defense that knows that they get up quickly. In our faces.
There's very little to worry about because we don't you know,
it looks like we've got guys running from deep. But
all Black sides of the past used to used to
be creative and and you know, unpredict the ball in

(38:06):
the way that we set up our back line moves
that seems to have vanished.

Speaker 18 (38:13):
And you look, we used to be. We used to be.
You know, we used to set the standard, you know,
in terms of how we used to run the back
line and the plays and the angles that the wingers
used to come through. We used to run deep. You
know a lot of our plays were running deep. But
now we just flat footed. It's just so obvious. You're
just watching them. It's just going sideways. No one straightening
up the back line. You know, we need it.

Speaker 4 (38:34):
We need a.

Speaker 18 (38:35):
Strong, robust, sick and five that can really straighten that
back line, like the namies of this sort of world
that we're sort of missing. The Craig Innoces. You know,
this is going back a while, and then I don't know,
it just felt like it was just passing sideways and
there was just no one taking ownership in the back line.
And I've got to admit, now, there's a few you know,

(38:55):
leaders in there in the in the in that in
that forward pack, that that that sort of meant aol
as well. Yeah, so yeah, I don't know, to be honest,
I just felt like there was no there's no leadership,
leadership across you know, back back in the front. Yeah,
it was just I don't know, it was mate. It
was frustrating, you know, trust me, it was frustrating.

Speaker 3 (39:13):
Oh look, I trust you. Can I believe you, Ricardo,
I can tell I can't tell my friend. I'm glad
I've given you the platform to get some of it
off your chest. Mate. I hope you can go about
your day now. Good to cheat, mate, thanks for calling.
In Hell, you'll have our lass say this our what's
on your mind?

Speaker 19 (39:28):
Well, madam, I've got a lost of ten things, but
I can't go through ten, so I start from the
top one and that was the leadership role by Scott
Barrett and one of the one of the things that
your listeners will remember was Richard Headley and the cricket
team probably arguably the best all round her in the game.

(39:49):
Once he was made captain of the Nzenant crocket team
has gained completely fell to pieces.

Speaker 4 (39:54):
Do you remember that?

Speaker 3 (39:55):
I don't remember. I don't remember Sir Richard. Yeah, I
don't remember him ever being captain. I thought Jess Allens
was pretty much the captain Hill. It was obviously very
short lived out and probably right because you know, Sir
Richard Hadley, you know, just concentrate on being the best
bowler you possibly can be. Is that kind of what
you're alluding to.

Speaker 19 (40:14):
That's exactly what I'm saying. And your lady caller that
came up earlier on now on the head nothing wrong
with Scott. He doesn't want to be kept and he
said he didn't want to be keptain. They're making him
kept him. Well, you've got to sort that out.

Speaker 3 (40:29):
Yeah, Well, I know you've got lots of other things.
Can I get you We've got to get to the news.
I'm going to try and get your back on after
one o'clock, mate, because if you've got a list of
ten things I want to hear more than just the
first one seven to one, US talks dB.

Speaker 1 (40:42):
The Goo from the trag Field and the Court on
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Speaker 3 (40:50):
Four to one after our news at one, they're going
to get an English viewpoint. Chris Jones, who called the
game for BBC five Live, going to join us. What
impressed him the most and how does he assess where
both England and the All Blacks are. He was down
here last year for the first two tests of Scott
Robertson's tenure as All Blacks coach and has had the
opportunity to watch them in England twice now, so what's

(41:13):
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Don't forget that the Silver Ferns won. Yep picked up
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James mcconey is in there of course too. Around one
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(41:57):
off in around twenty minutes from now, so we will
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this afternoon, first ball at Hagley Oval in the first
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A three match one day International series to begin today.
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(42:17):
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(42:38):
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Speaker 5 (42:51):
The drop goal, Ford gets it over a second roller
back for for another drup kick, another drop.

Speaker 3 (42:59):
Check back to back drop goals from George Ford at
the back end of the first half, bringing them back
into the game, getting them close enough to strike after halftime.
Let's get an English viewpoint on this occasion. It's a
great pleasure to welcome and Chris Jones from the BBC
who called the game for BBC five Live. Chris, thanks
for taking air call and for joining us across New Zealand.

(43:21):
What impreached you the most about England's performance at Twickenham today.

Speaker 20 (43:27):
Yeah, I Jason, good to speak to you from the
streets of twicken Them with the crowds are just dispersing
after a pretty famous day for this England side. I
think that the bit that will stick around is just
the way they were able to, you.

Speaker 15 (43:40):
Know, keep coming back.

Speaker 20 (43:41):
They started the game well England, then the All Blacks
had that little purple patch at twelve nil you thought,
oh this is going to be another story of kind
of All Black ruthlessness and English wastefulness. But the way
they went in at twelve eleven and then just just
predominant after halftime was a real sign of how this
team is coming on under Steve Borthwick. George Ford, who

(44:02):
had a few chances to win the game this time
last year, was fantastic. The bench didn't even have to
make the impact they were slated to because England had
that healthy lead. So big one for England this they
needed to take a major scalp and they've done it
and they roll on England.

Speaker 3 (44:18):
Waite, as you say, from twelve nil down to twenty
five twelve a hid between minutes twenty five and fifty five.
What did you specifically see change in that period compared
to the first twenty five minutes of the match.

Speaker 20 (44:31):
Yes, I think England actually did have a good first ten,
didn't they. They had that opportunity where Sam under Hill
couldn't quite get it away.

Speaker 15 (44:39):
They'd a hold up over the line Alex Couls.

Speaker 20 (44:42):
They were creating and looking pretty lively with the ball
in hand.

Speaker 15 (44:45):
I think against it seemed.

Speaker 20 (44:46):
Like New Zealand, even though you know you guys will
tell me about how frustrating it probably is following the
All Blacks at the moment, because it's kind of a
few steps forward and one step back, because every time
it looks like they're getting some rhythm. They put in
an inconsistent performance, but they're always going to have their patches.
And you know that ten minutes where they scored those
two tries, they did look like a all Black team

(45:07):
of old. But as we know from Chicago, as we
know from Edinburgh, as we know from Wellington against the Box,
as we know from Argentina, away, this all black team
of honorable and there could.

Speaker 15 (45:18):
Be periods where you can get on top of them.

Speaker 20 (45:20):
And I think England had that face that that would
come and just the way they were able to keep
their composure at twelve twelve neel down shows that the
side is really developing, not just sort of physically and tactically,
but mentally as well. And yeah, I think there's two
drop goals with George Ford, all of his experience come
into the foe there and they just managed to go

(45:42):
into halftime with some momentum.

Speaker 15 (45:44):
And that've been really frustrating for Scott.

Speaker 20 (45:46):
Robertson because a twelve mel it looked like the All
Blacks could have put the game away and ultimately that
in the end they were well beaten because England, if
you look at the game apart from that period what
ten ten to twenty five. The rest of it was
pretty much mainly dominated by England.

Speaker 3 (46:03):
Absolutely absolutely. You mentioned them there with his drop goals,
But how intigral was George Ford to this victory across
the entire matche.

Speaker 20 (46:11):
Yeah, it's really interesting. We look up the makeup of
the England back line. There's a lot of good talented players,
but many favor Bosa has not gone many caps as
not as Tom Roebuck. Freddy Stewart's a bit more experienced,
as is Marcus Smith when he came on, but Fraser
Dinghals at the start of his international journey.

Speaker 15 (46:29):
Only Lauren's been around for a bit.

Speaker 20 (46:30):
But there aren't you know, there aren't Henry Slades and
Manitor Langey's and Owen Farrell's, Johnny May's and Nancy Watson's.

Speaker 15 (46:36):
And players with fifty sixty seventy caps in there.

Speaker 20 (46:38):
So having someone like Ford's who's able to just get
that that pulse of a game really well, you know,
he's He's done that his whole career. He's able to,
i think, manipulate the scoreboard more than ever. We saw
in Marseille at the World Cup a couple of years ago.
When England were under the pump against Argentina a man down,
his drop goals changed the whole course of the game.

(46:59):
And you know, I sit in commentary on BBC Radio
with guys like Paul Grayson and Matt Dawson who came
from an era of Blish rugby. But they used to
just kill teams with drop goals and they've gone out
the game so much then they come back at World Cups,
have a bit of researchers, then go out again and
teams always kick for the corner or they try and
go through the phases. But what a weapon it is
if you can just hit teams with threes when they

(47:22):
haven't done too much wrong. I think that's what will
or Scott Robertson might feel tonight. Is actually when twelve
mili up there, there wasn't a huge amount New Zealand
did wrong, but the way England were able to hit
them with those two blows to go in twelve to
eleven and then just just just dominate after halftime or
contributed to the English win.

Speaker 3 (47:41):
Where do you think England are at two years out
from the next World Cup?

Speaker 15 (47:45):
Good place for sure.

Speaker 20 (47:46):
I mean I would say there are still areas they
can improve and that was Steve Worthwick's message tonight.

Speaker 15 (47:51):
He was far from well. He was satisfied.

Speaker 20 (47:53):
He was dead shaff, don't get me wrong, But he
wasn't saying we're the finished article. He knows that that
the England team is still a bit off. They they
got picked apart at line out time. There may be
a heavy duty ball carrier or two down, one or
two other areas where if you were being really ruthless,
you would say, oh, they could do with an extra
body there, or an extra a certain type of player here.

(48:16):
But on the whole, if you'd said to an England fan,
an England player, after what happened in Dublin, they were
they started the Six Nations, were really chasening defeat away
in Ireland second half, blown away and you thought, oh,
France next, Scotland next, Where do England go from here?
Well they've won the ten since then, which is massive

(48:37):
testaments to the group, massive testaments as Steve Borthwick and
his coaching team.

Speaker 15 (48:41):
He's made a few changes to his backgroom.

Speaker 20 (48:43):
I know that's a big thing in all Blacks the
moment because there's been a bit of a revolving door
around the Robinson regime.

Speaker 15 (48:49):
It's been similar with Borthwick.

Speaker 20 (48:50):
People have come, they've been coming and going, but he's
now got a pretty settle coaching team that looks in
for the long haul and I think you're seeing that
with with with England's play.

Speaker 15 (49:00):
Look, there's still nowhere near the box.

Speaker 20 (49:02):
I don't think many teams are England would be up
there as favorites the Six Nations, but no guarantee at all.
They've got to go to Paris, which is a really
tough place to go. So yeah, I don't think any
England fans leaving and thinking this is this is suddenly
you know, work up here, here we come. I think
there's still a bit of a way to go. But
for England to be ten wins in a row, given
where they've been over the last few years, a brilliant effort.

Speaker 3 (49:24):
And for New Zealand. You were here last year at
the start of Scott Robertson tenure, you watch them again
at the end of last year again today. How do
you assist where the All Blacks are at the midway
point last World Cup cycle.

Speaker 15 (49:36):
Yeah, it's hard that they're not in a place they'd
want to be weirdly.

Speaker 20 (49:41):
I just I just still still not sure what type
of team they are. I think they play a load
of rugby and a weird part of the pitch. They
reminded me a bit of what the Wallabies were trying
to do a couple of years ago, a couple of
weeks ago at Twickenham, kind of feeding the English defense
by playing a lot of faced rugby around the halfway line.

Speaker 15 (49:57):
They don't seem to have that real connection in their face.

Speaker 20 (49:59):
Played the great All Blacks team out of the past,
where you'd have looked tip ons from Brodier metallic and
players really hitting the line at speed. There's an issue
at ten is that there Boden had an off day,
maybe more soon to fall back.

Speaker 15 (50:11):
His line kicking was all over the place.

Speaker 20 (50:13):
Damian McKenzie is a is a world beater, but how
does he how is he deployed? Are they just killing
time waiting for Richie Muwanga. You would really hope by
now there had been a younger ten coming through to
put pressure on Boden, to put pressure on McKenzie, to
put pressure on Wanger because Muwanga can't just go away
to Japan for a few years. And then just walk
back into the shirt. But that's what's looking quite likely.

(50:35):
So a confusing team because at times they play rugby
from the gods, but in tiny little patches. Yeah, and
on the whole it's hard to see major progression in
the in the sort of the twenty six test matches
Robertson's had. I think that it was a very good
series win against England in hindsight, given that had no
time together, but twenty six tests down the track, you

(50:57):
may have wanted a bit more development. But having said that,
this England team have only really started to hit their
straps under Steve Worswick about thirty thirty five.

Speaker 15 (51:06):
Much matches into his regime.

Speaker 20 (51:08):
So still a long way to go to the World
Cup twenty seven, and you still would never better against
New Zealand, being big consenters for that sornament.

Speaker 3 (51:15):
All right, we'll take some consolation from that great skitcher
insite Chris, and joy the rest of your eving in
Southwest London.

Speaker 15 (51:21):
Made good to see, good chat.

Speaker 3 (51:23):
Good on you mate, Thanks today Chris Jones, The wonderful
Chris Jones joining us out of the BBC in London
as he drifts away from Twickenham One p. Seventeen will
take calls on the rugby until James Mcony time at
around one forty five, so lines back open. We couldn't
get anywhere near everybody on the air in the first
hour of the show, so here's your chance. At eight
hundred and eighty eighty Luke on text Gada party left

(51:46):
to call, but I've got the kids. I think back
to the end of twenty twenty one and twenty twenty
two when Fozzy was on the hook and we all thought,
what the hell is happening here? Where are we going?
Then we make the World Cup Final? Please can raise
the be foxing us all, says Luke. Also, hindsight being
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(52:07):
forward to twenty twenty seven and first to second and
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(52:27):
a spare line there now. Will Jordan spoke to a
couple of members of our end z Me team after
the game. They asked him how he was feeling after
the game.

Speaker 2 (52:37):
Yeah, disappointment came't of here with the cleague older time
on a Grand Slam and gave ourselves a chance and
just fell tonight. Felt we had chances to take control
of that game and weren't quite able to. So speak
to England for play one in front of their fans
and yeah it's for us.

Speaker 21 (52:55):
A couple of moments and that first spell you mistouched
from penalties, you know, little moments, but they stand out
now is pretty big ones.

Speaker 2 (53:02):
Yeah, I mean happens. I think my body had a
bit of a bad cord, so he was battling through.
So that's just where it goes sometimes. We certainly had
a chance to give ourselves a bit of a lead
in that first half, but despite the drop goals for
a half time, we saw the lead tove living a
half time and it was all there for us to take.
So yeah, you lose momentum in games, and we did
well to get it back at the inn. There but
couldn't get a final. I just punched take us home nineteen.

(53:25):
We're getting back into the game. Yeah, I felt, yeah,
pretty boy'd running it bit to halfway at that point.
They were obviously a man down as well, so we're
playing against fourteen and I felt the game was just
going back and forth. We've been able to get one
more moment get down to their twenty two. Then you
all of a sudden the pressure's back on them. So
the game went back and forth. It's been a kicking
game back and forth, and just lost a couple of
battles there and then you had to overplay at the end.

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But yeah, for ten minutes SCO was here to take.

Speaker 21 (53:50):
How do you get the team back up as a
collective for for Wales next week?

Speaker 2 (53:54):
Yeah, I think you said an honest review. We were
at like I think this year have played some great
rugby and it's probably a little bit of a system.
We were at around not being able to do it
for eighty minutes. So thank you of an honest review.
Some guys might be an opportunity next week, so exciting
for them. But I'm putting on a black jersey again,
so yeah, huge amount of something around that.

Speaker 22 (54:14):
I know it's not an easy question to answer if
you talk about the game went back and forth in
that final, I don't know, twelve minutes, when one score
might put you in front. Why do you think you're
not able to sort of put those compound successful moments
together in those big, big periods.

Speaker 2 (54:31):
Yeah, I think the last couple of weeks we've done
that really well and Ilan in Scotland. So I don't
necessarily think it's a pattern for us. I just thought tonight,
yeah that maybe just a little bit more composed obviously
cold control in their kicking game within nine and ten,
and we just gave Way a few penalties and it
can just be a couple of moments can hurt you.
So I said, nearly think it's a trend. Just yeah,

(54:53):
it's not. We're quite clinical enough for new.

Speaker 3 (54:55):
For those are the postmat's thoughts of Will Jordan one
twenty text through here before we go back to the lines,
what's with us? Where are England now two years out
from the World Cup, et cetera? You puppare you wait
the focus on the future rather than the now? Can't
we just enjoy the current game without people like you
belittling it? There's no way I am belittling what England

(55:16):
did today. I just think in the context of world rugby,
where World Cups are the focus of every single international
rugby team, that the context of where you are at
the midway point of World Cup cycle is relevant. My
apologies though, if you thought I was belittling what happened today.
Hello Ian, Oh.

Speaker 23 (55:35):
Good day, Jason. How are you doing good?

Speaker 15 (55:37):
Ian?

Speaker 24 (55:37):
Good?

Speaker 3 (55:38):
Thanks mate.

Speaker 25 (55:39):
Listen.

Speaker 23 (55:39):
Has been a little while, but I thought i'd better
give you a ring before the rugby season runs there. Hey, listen,
I watched the game early this morning. I'm not a
happy chappy. I'm like at least one or two Ory
you know of your callers there that they do say that, Look,
you've got to do something with Bowden.

Speaker 8 (55:58):
Look.

Speaker 23 (55:58):
I know I'm a taranicky guy, but listen, that guy
is kicking and kicking and kicking. He's doing all this
stuff of kicking and he's just mucking the game up.
And the same with his other brother, you know, Scotty.
He doesn't want that Captain c I'm sure he doesn't.
He doesn't need it. He might pay even play a
better game, Jase, because I don't know how he plays

(56:20):
without being the captain, but the whole game, I was disappointed.
I'm not an All Black, you know, I'm not a
real deep fan, Jase, but I love the All Blacks.
But up until now, it's just gone past it, you know.

Speaker 3 (56:36):
And I hear what you're saying. The kicking thing, the
kicking topic were. Yeah, we spoke a little bit about
it before one o'clock. And look, I think Boden Barrett
would freely admit that today was not one of his
better test matches. He had picked up an injury by
the sounds of it, which we weren't aware of during
the game. But yeah, it's just I think one aspect
of a number of things that once we get Wales

(57:00):
out of the way next week and we still have
to play that test match, that that will be looked at.
And you know, there's a lot of narrative that it
comes through on the text machine here and that I
read elsewhere saying that people believe for whatever reason, and
it's their perception and therefore their reality, that Razor gets

(57:22):
an easy ride from the media. I've seen it time
and time and time again, and it's often contrasted and
compared to the way Ian Foster was perceived to be
treated by the media. I think there will be a
very very harsh spotlight on Scott Robertson and his coaching

(57:44):
team when they do their end of year review. There
has to be. As I said at the top of
the show, the All Blacks haven't improved under Scott Robertson.
They're not a better team now than they were when
he took over. There was high excitement when he took over,
and I think that was probably natural. Here was one
of our most successful super rugby coaches of all time

(58:09):
taking charge of the national team, and I think there
was general acceptance that it was the right idea that
he was the right man to be put into the
job at that time. Now he's had two years and
scrutiny will come, and rightly so. This is the coach
of the All Blacks. It comes with the territory. It

(58:30):
is the most scrutinized job in New Zealand sport and
therefore I would expect that there would be extremely robust
discussion and some fairly tough questions asked by those in
power at New Zealand Rugby of Scott Robertson and his
coaching staff. In their end of year review. There are

(58:53):
a lot of areas that they may land on when
they have a look at that review. But this idea
that you know, the media, for what that's worth, have
given Scott Robertson an easy ride, It's just not true.
I've read, I've read a number of articles and columns

(59:16):
and opinion pieces right across this year and for big
parts of last year as well that do call into
question what's happening with our All Black side and that
is natural. Again, we love the All Blacks. They're our team.
They are a team that we are entitled to scrutinize.

Speaker 9 (59:41):
Hello, Funny, okay, Arnie.

Speaker 14 (59:45):
Yeah, Look, any way I can sum up the All
Blacks of the last bloody four or five years. I'm
the fozzy and Phrasors is like a learner driver trying
to bloody driver column shift. It's just it's just been
an absolute clunk and Bloody can't get into gear and

(01:00:06):
can't shift this way or that way.

Speaker 3 (01:00:08):
It's a couple of bunny hops, yeah, a couple of
Bundy hops stalling a couple of times. Yep.

Speaker 14 (01:00:13):
Oh, it's just painful, mate, It's the back line of
there's no fluency. I haven't seen fluency and in the
back line for so long, nothing seems to click and
oh what a mess.

Speaker 15 (01:00:28):
Mm.

Speaker 3 (01:00:30):
But it's a great analogy. Actually, it's a because I
think we were used to seeing the All Blacks and
if I use the car analogy, shift effortlessly through the gears,
you know, and and and perr along and and and
be a very well functioning machine. And you're right, clunky
is a good word for it. And in many ways

(01:00:52):
it's to do with the fact that a lot of
other teams have caught up and and you know, the
All Blacks aren't the you know, the king of the
castle anymore. But yeah, you're right there. There has been
a degree of clunkiness, certainly in the last two years.
I think I think Ian Foster had them gone pretty well. Actually,
I must say, after after that Irish series and the
lessons he learned from that, I think he had them

(01:01:13):
going pretty well going towards the World Cup. And but
for a you know, a red card and a point
here or there, we might have won the World Cup.
But but yeah, there's been a clunkiness about the team
in the last couple of years for sure.

Speaker 26 (01:01:26):
Yeah, Yeah, it's just yeah, where do you Where do
you go?

Speaker 14 (01:01:32):
I just I honestly think that that Scott Robinson is
just holding out for Richie mulong As to come back
and and.

Speaker 26 (01:01:41):
Hopefully to drive that ship. That's that, That's my perception anyway.
He's just obviously that's why Richie's signed a contract and
that's what Scott Robinson's banking on, that things will change
when Richie's bloody driving the ship.

Speaker 3 (01:01:58):
Totally agree. I think he's chips in on him. I
think he's absolutely chips in on him. That that he
is he is hoping and presumably expecting that Richie muong
will come in and do exactly what I did at
the Crusaders during that remarkable period of success that the
two of them enjoyed together, that he will come in

(01:02:19):
and he will turn things around. Thanks for calling, Finn,
I appreciate it. One twenty eight News Talks. They'll be
back with more of your calls after this.

Speaker 1 (01:02:28):
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Speaker 3 (01:02:36):
They'd be bang on one thirty. We'll have toss details
from Hagley Oval shortly. Ian. Thanks for holding good afternoon.

Speaker 17 (01:02:45):
Hi Jace, here you go.

Speaker 3 (01:02:47):
I'm going well, Ian. How are you going?

Speaker 5 (01:02:50):
Uh?

Speaker 15 (01:02:50):
Not bad?

Speaker 17 (01:02:50):
Thanks for a Sunday, just for this doing the bloody
lawns and all that.

Speaker 3 (01:02:54):
Drun good Man, good man, you know.

Speaker 17 (01:02:56):
You know, you know, hear what happens. I'm not really
going to talk about thebo so I'm going to talk abit.
The captn't seem more than anything. As you know, I'm
a well former Willington now I'm now on the Hawk's bay.
But I've had the captaincy taken off me twice, mainly

(01:03:17):
because of form. Now that I think it was a
gender one I heard before saying about that a little bit.
It does affect your play and I was playing rugby
at the time, so I don't know what other sports
go through, but it does. And I think to myself, well,

(01:03:38):
and as I just said, I had it taken off
me twice and I was comfortable with it too.

Speaker 15 (01:03:46):
Well.

Speaker 3 (01:03:46):
I think one of the things about being captain Ian
is that your position in the team has to be
beyond doubt right. You have to be you know, for
the you know, all things being equal, you are a
starting player in the team. And you know, I think
Scott Barrett is that. I think he is one of

(01:04:07):
our best two locks. But as I said before, I
just don't know that the captaincy sits comfortably with him.
It doesn't seem to. There are some captains you look
at and you think he looks like a captain. He
sounds like a captain. There are lots of different ways
to lead, and as I've said, often we don't know
what happens in the inner workings, the inner sanctum of

(01:04:30):
the All Blacks and the influence that Scott Barrett has,
because clearly he has the respect of all of those
who play alongside him. It just doesn't look like he
enjoys the captaincy that much. I don't know. Maybe he doesn't.
Would he be better without the armband? I guess we'll

(01:04:53):
only know if it's taken away from him. There are
examples of sports people who, unencumbered by leadership, reach highest ceiling.
Thanks for your call in oh one hundred and eighty
ten eighties our number. Simon, Hi, mate, get a piney.

(01:05:16):
How you are good? Simon?

Speaker 15 (01:05:18):
Good?

Speaker 3 (01:05:18):
Thanks mate?

Speaker 27 (01:05:19):
Yeah, good, Hey, I'm just keeping it simple. We've had
two years of Razor and it is not working right,
It ain't working. Kimi's are not happy, All Black fans
are not happy. There's no cohesion. That this team is
crap in the story. So if you go back to
the days of the eighties and nineties or to two thousands,

(01:05:43):
any coach after two years of this would be gone, gone.
And I think it's time for him to go resign
at the end of the Whales game and go And
we've got Jamie Joseph from the Wings, bring him in.
We've got two years to get this team right. The
team is an utter disaster. That's where I'm at.

Speaker 3 (01:06:05):
Well, sorry, yeah, no gray area there, Simon, look and
I look, I sense the passion. I look. I don't
think he's going to resign. I don't think that's in
his DNA. And I'm not yeah, and I'm not. Look,
I think he should certainly be, you know, be subject
to an end of season review. I mean, I think

(01:06:26):
that happens if you win every game or lose every game,
he'll have to they'll have to sit down and review
the year with the powers that be at New Zealand Rugby.
What I would need to see, Simon, And I'm sure
you would too. Is a plan for improvement?

Speaker 27 (01:06:40):
Oh yeah, yeah, there's no there. What is the plan?
You ask any fan, there's no game plan out there?
You know, where is the improvement?

Speaker 7 (01:06:49):
Boden bear it.

Speaker 27 (01:06:49):
I'm sorry that he's he needs to just you know,
move on from Boden. We've got these young first fires
around the country that should be being used. We can't
wait out for the old mate to come back from Japan.
I mean he's not a young man either, right, So
you know two years past, you know, we had the
cantab's bag and the hell out of Fozy during his tenure,

(01:07:13):
and this guy has come in and we've seen two
years of extreme mediocre you know, mediocrity. Sorry, you know,
it's just mate, it's just frustrating. And I see the
England team today, you know, they're super happy for beating
us and all that. And if you go on Facebook,
there's all sorts of comments around, oh you know, we
gave it our beg shots and you know, but the

(01:07:34):
thing is, it's unacceptable to lose to England in this
way and it's unacceptable to just have two years of mediocrity.
The All Blacks are bigger than that, you know, and
it's just it just should not be accepted. And I
think if we're going to make a big decision, you
have to do it now because we've only got two
years left, right.

Speaker 7 (01:07:53):
So.

Speaker 27 (01:07:55):
Yeah, that's where I'm at.

Speaker 3 (01:07:56):
Anyway, on your Simon, no, good on you, mate, Thank
you for calling in. I have enjoyed your call, and
you're right told them to account. Often. You know, we
are accused the rugby public of being too hard on
our sporting teams, but this is the All Blacks, so

(01:08:19):
scrutiny is part of the job for them, for the
coaching staff, for the players, and they often say it.
They say it themselves, the players and the coaches. They
embrace the fact that we care so much about the team.
Otherwise what would they be. Thanks for your course, Simon, Michael, Hi.

Speaker 4 (01:08:43):
Good afternoon.

Speaker 14 (01:08:45):
You just got me.

Speaker 11 (01:08:45):
I had the phone down, But I have a slightly
different thing. I've heard Scott Roberson this morning after the game,
and then I heard the fullback of just his name
just this case me the other a few minutes ago
on your show.

Speaker 3 (01:08:58):
Yep yep, will Jordan, yep, Well Jordan.

Speaker 11 (01:09:01):
That's it all seeing the praise missed opportunity, Well I'd
like to point out that England had at least one,
maybe two tries disallowed. They had numerous There were two
whole held up over the line. Aren't those missed opportunities?
You know, we are only looking and they all see.

(01:09:22):
But then, maybe the most telling comment was from our
lady commentators. She was dressed in red at Twickenham. Do
you remember her?

Speaker 3 (01:09:31):
I was listening to the commentary this morning. I've asked sorry.

Speaker 11 (01:09:36):
She was a keyw WE girl and she made the
most to me, the most telling comment. Afterwards. She said
there was just one or two of the all blacks
who looked sad or look I can't remember her words.
There were others just walking around smiling as if oh,
that's any other game. Almost I'm being a bit exaggeration there,

(01:09:58):
but I saw a picture of Ardi Servier sitting on
the ground against her go post, absolutely gutted. That's the
thing that's missing. That's the thing, and it's just those
two things that I wanted to point out. The English
had many opportunities too, and they were close. They dropped
the ball within a meter of the line. They had

(01:10:20):
at least one held up over the line, and as
I say, one or two try and that try that
was just allowed for how many minutes further back?

Speaker 9 (01:10:32):
Are we going to go with the drinking?

Speaker 3 (01:10:34):
Yeah? I know what you mean, Michael. I know, yeah,
looks I've got one more call to get him before
we moved, Michael. But thank you. I think it was
Taylor Johnson who you were referring to. She was the
Sky Sport interviewer on the ground over there, and I
do do recall now hearing her post match say something
along the lines of what you've outlined there. That and

(01:10:54):
it's just a perception again, but it didn't feel as
though there was an utter sense of desolation after the loss.
People show the motion in different ways. I saw that
photo that you're referring to of our save. I think
it summed up brilliantly, sitting there back against the post,
just staring into the middle distance and wondering what on
earth had just gone on. Thanks Michael, enjoyed the rest

(01:11:15):
of your day, Frank. Last word is yours today?

Speaker 13 (01:11:17):
Mate, Okay, piney, thank you. I'm going to prefer this
to an analogy, a canine analogy. We came onto the
paddock there. We were a bunch of collies and we
randed them up and after twenty minutes at twelve nil,
we had them. But hang on, we were fight. We

(01:11:38):
were facing the British bulldog, and that British bulldog has
got sharp teeth, and by god, he betters.

Speaker 3 (01:11:47):
I don't mind the canine analogy, Frank, I don't mind it. Yeah,
looks and what do they say if we want to
continue the analogy, it's the size of the dog in
the fight, or the size of the fight and the dog.
I think they were just bigger. There was more fight
in the British bulldog perhaps than the New Zealand sheep
dog Collie today. You know, it may may be something
as as simple as that. Frank, thank you for your call.

(01:12:09):
Thank you for all your calls and correspondence. Look, I
greatly appreciate you taking the time to articulate your thoughts,
either on the air or via text. There's no way
we can get to anywhere near all of the messages,
but thank you for sending them through. We do read
them all. Nineteen to two, Let's take a break, comeback.
James mcconey in as regular Sunday slot.

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is with us.

Speaker 28 (01:13:01):
Hello mate, Oh hi Piney, how are you taking it?

Speaker 2 (01:13:05):
Well?

Speaker 28 (01:13:05):
I see you and your new Talk be listeners.

Speaker 3 (01:13:09):
Absolutely. Look, I think the rugby public is reacting and
it's truly measured fashion as per usual. Where would you
like to place your focus as you analyze the game?

Speaker 28 (01:13:20):
Well, I'd like to start with a little bit of
a defensive razor, and that is, like you look at
this team, it's fully in development mode as far as
I'm concerned, because if there's four experienced players in that
starting lineup, and I call it four and a half
really because you've got Cody Taylor, Scott Barrett, Ardie, Savier, Bowden,

(01:13:40):
Barrett and the half is Will Jordan. But the rest
is about one hundred and forty maybe caps between them,
and half of those belong to the group and Mules.
So I just want to say, I do feel like
this looks like a development team to me, and I
know that you know, the Wiblets don't do development because
it's you know, they must win philosophy. However, however, Pony,

(01:14:04):
I think our game plan is uninspiring and predictable, and
I think our attack is just missing something. And even
you had the Englishmen saying we're just playing into their
hands on the halfway line, and in you were opener
for the show, I thought you were banging on you
know what's happened to our set moves? I think there
actually are gaps out on the field. England exploited them

(01:14:26):
a couple of times from set play for Ali Lawrence
and then has passed it Dingwell and you could see
it from Spider Can. The gaps are there, We're not
finding them, we haven't got the moves, and we're and
we're struggling to actually get our best players into the
game consistently.

Speaker 3 (01:14:42):
So do you feel optimistic that that can be corrected.

Speaker 28 (01:14:49):
I'm not sure because Jason Holland has gone right, so
I guess does Hanson take over there in that role
as a tack coach is what I've been hearing. So
it remains to be seen. And of course Wales is
just a gimmea isn't It's a layup of a game.
But the one thing that I think where England has
showed us up big time is bringing their talent through.

(01:15:11):
You know, they're not all massive. Marcus Smith is tiny,
he's there, Damien McKenzie, George Ford is.

Speaker 29 (01:15:18):
A little bloke.

Speaker 8 (01:15:18):
You know.

Speaker 28 (01:15:19):
There are guys out there who come on and just
provide either spark or leadership. They don't necessarily have to
be these big ogres that England have relied on in
the past, and so Henry Pollock is one of those
as well. And we do have Henry Pollocks in New
Zealand and that currently Lucas Casey, Oli mathis or whatever,

(01:15:39):
and we're sort of waiting for the opportunity. But the
time is now really because the team to me is
in development mode. So you've got to throw the kitchen
sink at it. And you and I watched a lot
of Super Ugby this year, Pony, and it was pretty
evident that Ruben Love should have been given a shot
at ten at some point this season. So yeah, of
course it's going to be against Wales. But what are

(01:16:00):
we waiting for?

Speaker 3 (01:16:02):
Speaking of teens, do you believe as I do and
you don't have to agree. Do you believe that Scott
Robertson is kind of all in chips and if you
like on Richie Moonga to come in and be the
and be the savior of this team.

Speaker 28 (01:16:16):
I think he knew with Lester find the Nuku and
Richie Moore than they're coming back. He's kind of getting
the old band back together. But the problem with trying
to reinvent those Crusaders teams that he won all those
titles with is back then he had the best players.
He had fourteen all blacks, and he had Sam Whitelock
as the leader and there was no way any other
team could compete with quality and leadership and just true grit.

(01:16:37):
Whereas out there right now he doesn't have the best players.
When we play other nations, we don't even have the
most dangerous players. You know, you look at South Africa,
they've got four or five match winners, he you'd probably
rate ahead of ours, so and they're starting to use
them so that the signs aren't good. I actually think
you really need to go and say whatever, Henry Pollock

(01:16:58):
provides that energy, that excitement. We need to find that
because that was what New Zealand Rugby had over the others,
and including skill and dare I say it, passing in
tight spaces. England gave us a lesson last night, a
simple as that.

Speaker 3 (01:17:14):
What do you think they'll do selection wise for Wales?
Do you see wholesale changes or do you think, given
the fact that they lost this morning that they might
be a bit more conservative. Surely there'll be some changes.

Speaker 28 (01:17:29):
Well, given that I've just mentioned the four and a
half experienced players, I think some of them will still
have to play because you can't just go in with
all rookies. They are an experienced a lot when you
look around. But yeah, there will be a fair amount
of changes with I guess an insurance policy on the bench.
But brutally, if you consider that Damien McKenzie got us

(01:17:51):
out of jail last week in Ireland, the cards sort
of fell our way nicely, and I know the Irish
didn't enjoy that French wreath. And I mean there has
to be said that the yellow card to Cody Taylor
was laughable. But we weren't dominating the game, we weren't
dominating the contact, and we didn't have the continuity. So
you know, what is the plan? Which is what you're

(01:18:11):
asking and I think you can probably just ask that
or whoever next time you get a coach on is
just say what are we doing? Because it doesn't seem
to be working against the big teams.

Speaker 3 (01:18:22):
At what point in the World Cup cycle do you
stop experimenting or can you keep on trying new things out?
Certainly next year, but what about you know, at the
back end of next year, when we're within twelve months
of the World Cup, can we still be trying stuff
out on the Northern tour next year? We've got the

(01:18:43):
South African Tour obviously next year, haven't we? Is that
next year?

Speaker 7 (01:18:47):
It is?

Speaker 3 (01:18:48):
So when do you settle on what you're doing heading
to all World Cup?

Speaker 28 (01:18:55):
I think you never says well, really, I mean it's
different when you look at our great team or most
the recent great team of twenty fifteen. We had so
many Hall of famers and centurions in that team plus
near him on a scudder right. He was brought in
at the last second, so he should always be room
for bolters, for exciting talent, points of difference right up
until World Cup year, and I think we've always had that,

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you know, Michael Jones in eighty seven right the way through.
I think it was you know, Josh Cronford and Andrew
Mertens and Glenn Osborne in ninety five. Every World Cup
you can name those guys and in fact the ones
where we probably haven't done that are the ones we've
come undone and haven't read and underperformed. So New Zealand
I think we still have incredible talent. Yes, a lot

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of it's going to NRLs clubs, but that's even more
in censive. I think to pick someone who is our
version of Henry Pollock and give them a chance in
the black Jersey, because watching them be so predestrian is
actually a tough watch. I think we are better than that.
I do know we've got better talent than that in
New Zealand.

Speaker 3 (01:19:56):
Then Henry Pollock's a an eye catching rugby player, isn't
he He loved Did you see him in the Hawker during
the hackery. He loved it, didn't he He was licking.

Speaker 28 (01:20:04):
His lips giving a short way after the game photos
of the Emiratikhanu. He's a start, He's just an absolute
boy band start. I'm not sure which one is your
more westlife I think possibly Boyzone. Hard to say, but
the one thing is that this England team will get
better if Hoskins Statucci goes there. And I think that's

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the other thing where this All Blacks selection panel has
kind of dropped the ball, really is that the handling
of the Hoskins Statutu situation and Dalton papa le Because
to me, Dalton papal Lei was a proven test player
who had shown that over the years. He's a big
part of our last World Cup squad, so to drop
him completely you have to have a pretty good reason
for that, and I don't think it's really good enough.

Speaker 3 (01:20:48):
James as always a great summary from you. I think
are we done here? Is there anything else you want
to add? I don't want to cut you off at
the knees. You've got another thirty seconds if you'd like
to use it.

Speaker 28 (01:20:59):
Oh yes, please. I'd like to say that we're to
go down against Columbia and the All White soul really
looking forward to that game to sort of, you know,
wash away the bad taste of that England win. But hey,
congrats to England and don't worry on crowd goes well
Topora night, even though we're eternally positive there we will
be flipping the desk and provide some kind of sacrifice

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to the rugby god. So tune in tomorrow at seven.

Speaker 3 (01:21:24):
Look forward to it. James, Thanks mate. James mcconey huge
part of our Sundays. Joins us around this time every
Sunday afternoon or Weekend Sports seven and a half to
two when.

Speaker 1 (01:21:33):
It's down to the line.

Speaker 2 (01:21:34):
You made a call on.

Speaker 1 (01:21:37):
Eight Weekend Sports with Jason Payne News Talks B.

Speaker 3 (01:21:41):
One fifty six on News Talks, heb we're going to
pivot away from the rugby. As I've said a couple
of times, thank you for all of your feedback, your
reaction to what happened this morning. No doubt the conversation
will continue across the week. One more Test match for
the All Blacks this year. It is against Wales in
Cardiff next Sunday morning. Again it's a ten past four.

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These are getting a little bit tough, aren't they? The
Island game in Chicago was good, wasn't it? Nine o'clock?
You haven't been a sleep and get up and watch
the rugby ten pass four is a bit tougher species.
Three sundays in a row. Anyway, we'll do it next
Sunday when the All Blacks play Wales the final Test
of twenty twenty five. After two o'clock we'll pivot away

(01:22:23):
to golf. Daniel Hillier with an eagle on the last
overnight at the dp World Tours Finale in Abu Dhabi.
He's nine under, four shots off the lead, but crucially
for him, still in the mix for that PGA Tour card.
It's really complicated to explain what he has to do
to get that tour card. It really depends on how

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he goes and how others go. But we will focus
on Daniel Hillier after two.

Speaker 1 (01:22:51):
The only place to discuss the biggest four issues on
and after field, it's all on Win Jam Sport with
Jason pay on your Home of Sport.

Speaker 3 (01:23:02):
Or two o six Welcome back or welcome into weekend sport.
Let's draw a line under the rugby for this afternoon.
Shall we let's move on, let's discuss some other things.
I think so, I think so. Daniel Hillyer can we golfer.

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He's in a type for seventeenth but only four strokes
off the lead after three rounds of the season ending
DP World Tour Championship in Dubai, still well and truly
in the hunt for a PGA Tour card next year.
And well, I mean only four back from Rory McElroy,
the leader. He was paired with Rory McElroy in the

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third round Daniel Hill here, and that must have been
in itself a challenge, all of that extra exposure and
spotlight and the bigger galleries and more television coverage and
all that sort of thing when you're paired with a
bloke like Rory. He had a chi paunching first half
a dozen holes, but then came right, looked after himself

(01:24:11):
and eagled the last. So stays in contention. Jake Carter,
national coach with Golf New Zealand Ganuba break it all
down for us shortly. The competition schedules out for the
next Olympic Games already. These are in twenty twenty eight
and Los Angeles. The main feature is the flipping of
swimming and track and field. So we'll talk about that

(01:24:33):
and other things with the nzc's Team Services Director Ryan
Archie Boult. He was a former hockey international and speaking
of which, former Black Sticks men's defender and former captain
of the side, Blair Tarrant a week or so ago
announced his retirement from international hockey. He's going to join
us to reflect on that live sport. At the moment,

(01:24:54):
there's a one day cricket International underway at Hagleyoval and
christ Church, New Zealand having been sent into bat by
the West Indies five without loss in the second over
Devin Conway and Rutch and Ravendra opening the batting. And
in the football International in Florida, it is Columbia leading
the All Whites by a golden hill. They scored early
in the piece. Your Whites have done pretty well in

(01:25:17):
the time since, but Columbia wonder ahead of New Zealand's
or Whites with about seven minutes to go until halftime.
We will keep you up to date with that. Your
calls and correspondence continue to be welcome. We might, as
I say, put a bit of a lid on the
rugby chat for a while. But if there's anything else
that catches your ear and you'd like to comment on,
please send a text three to nine two nine two

(01:25:39):
good for us the yel on eight hundred and eighty
ten eighty. But as we always do at around about
this time on weekend sport, we do like to keep
you up to date with the stuff you might have missed.
In case you missed it is the name of the feature.
We start with the good news from overnight that the
Silver Ferns beat England.

Speaker 30 (01:26:00):
Money anything to stay for details the rainy day give
it a very fast shot.

Speaker 31 (01:26:09):
On a single third.

Speaker 30 (01:26:10):
The high Payers come from Bath game a big MAT's
plan pair at the top of the New Zealand number
two in the world, and that is high brilliant in
the final fifteen.

Speaker 3 (01:26:22):
Minute, beating England's sixty one fifty eight. They meet again
tomorrow morning, another loss for the Breakers, though this one
to their distance rivals, the Perth Wildcats.

Speaker 15 (01:26:33):
Now it gets real.

Speaker 5 (01:26:34):
Kent Shall at the four Aquera's it.

Speaker 3 (01:26:38):
Down eighty eight to seventy five. The Wildcats will.

Speaker 21 (01:26:43):
Get their seventh win of the season, and it's bidding.

Speaker 5 (01:26:45):
The Christian do little pulls down the rebound.

Speaker 3 (01:26:48):
Because he was the man here in this final term
for the Wildcats eighty eight to seventy five, the final
score in favor of Perth. Across to the rugby in
the Northern Hemisphere. The spring Box managed to stop a
Northern Hemisphere clean sweep with a thirty two to fourteen
win over Italy.

Speaker 32 (01:27:06):
See if the space out white brew can of moody,
wonderful beast, wunder bulle player, Oh look.

Speaker 3 (01:27:12):
At South Africa Coe beautiful.

Speaker 32 (01:27:17):
Williams finishes the job and nay Well finished the game.

Speaker 8 (01:27:22):
But that with sat Africa at their.

Speaker 3 (01:27:24):
Trafty best here so thirty two fourteen there Ireland, meantime,
put the Wallabies to the sword that is his way close.

Speaker 24 (01:27:33):
To the line.

Speaker 32 (01:27:34):
One more lad arrival, Wallast treats for the line and
a lot of try for the man.

Speaker 24 (01:27:41):
In green.

Speaker 3 (01:27:43):
Forty six nineteen the final score France too strong for Fiji.

Speaker 32 (01:27:48):
R off the first receiver and my here's Ramos inside
your pretare looking for a second try that might just seal.

Speaker 15 (01:27:57):
A French victory.

Speaker 32 (01:27:59):
Encor too and finally the men in Blue breakthrough this
Fiji and the event at an absolutely faithful moment in
the game.

Speaker 3 (01:28:11):
The final score thirty four to twenty one to France.
But in a result that might have brought out the
most emotion, it was Wales who managed to win a
game of rugby, a thriller over Japan.

Speaker 33 (01:28:22):
The entirety of the Principalsi Stadium on Santa Hooks. Welsh
rugby needs this and it's kind of be shot at gold.
It's all there for the taking. It all rests with Jared.

Speaker 34 (01:28:37):
Evans here over a day.

Speaker 33 (01:28:48):
The rule says it all and from.

Speaker 5 (01:28:51):
The jaws of defeat Wales claim a priceless victory.

Speaker 1 (01:28:58):
The scoop from the drag field and the court. On
your home of Sport Weekend Sport with Jason Vine, you talks.

Speaker 3 (01:29:04):
It be thirteen and eagle on the last hole has
Kiwi Golfer Daniel Hillier four strokes off the lead after
three rounds of the season ending DP World Tour Championship
in Dubai and still with a PGA Tour card in
his sights, Hillia fired and even past seventy two in
his third round. He's nine under for the tournament and

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in seventeenth place. Let's bring in national Coach with Golf
New Zealand, Jay Carter who's worked extensively with Daniel Hillier
in recent years. Jay, thanks for joining us. How big
was that eagle for Dan Hillier to finish his round
on eighteen that way?

Speaker 25 (01:29:41):
Mate? It was huge both from a performance point of view,
like two shots is obviously massive, but I think just
from a confidence point of view getting that two further
shots up because he had a bit of a rough
first few holes, so I think just coming back it'll
be a nice way to go to sleep.

Speaker 3 (01:29:58):
How do you think he will evaluate his eighteen holes?

Speaker 25 (01:30:03):
It's a really good question. I mean it's a tough one.
Imagine you hosting a radio show, the best broadcaster of
all time, and he you know, you know you're going
to be judged by him. So playing with Rory while
it was it would be awesome and what an experience.
It'd be a tough time to have to play with Rory.
You've got all the extra pressure that comes with him,

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your awareness of him, you're you know, I guess you're
being judged. So all of that stuff would have been
bloody tough, I reckon. So I think just that start
probably threw him a little bit. He had a really
tough lie on the second hole, he had hit it
in the left rough and got a bit of a
flyer over the green and so probably just didn't didn't
feel the nerves, maybe as quickly as he might like.

(01:30:46):
But one thing I would say about Dan, and he's
got the history of bouncing back, so I don't think
it'll put him off massively. I think it'll make him
a little bit more determined for tomorrow.

Speaker 3 (01:30:56):
It's great analogy. If you ja, if Mike Hoskin was
sitting across from me, I'd be nervous as well. I
think I'd be very nervous as he would have been.
I'm sure with Rory McElroy and all the increased attention
on the two of them, he would have been pleased.
THO wouldn't. And you talk about bouncing back three bogies
and four holes between three and six, how happy will

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he have been to be able to steady himself and
pretty much play par golf from there on.

Speaker 25 (01:31:22):
Yeah, he played pretty solidly and there's some opportunities on
that course, but it is one of those courses where
if you get out of position, you're battling from the
get go. It's long. I mean, Dan's one of the
longest drivers on tour. He's pretty impressive ball striking this week.
Even as ball striking, you know, he's one of the
longest and the most accurate out there off the tea,
and so that stands them in good stead. Yesterday I

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think he probably just I mean the first two days
obviously he played great, and then yesterday probably just didn't
hit it quite close and I still had a lot
of greens, but probably just slightly out of position from
time to time. But I mean, what a good day
to do it, because he's still got another chance, and
he's still got another crack at that PJA Tour card Tomorrow.

Speaker 3 (01:32:00):
Absolutely we'll talk about that in a secon having had
those bogies. He gets to six and he's had three bogies,
as I say, in four holes, would he have been
more cautious, would have been you know, less likely to
take risks to chase birdies from there?

Speaker 25 (01:32:18):
I wouldn't think his game plan would change massively. Those
courses are set up so tough. That's probably one thing
that I didn't even appreciate. I went over with Dan
and Kazuma to the Irish Open and watching it on TV,
it looks quite easy. But when you see it live. Man.
They set up so tough, so your sort of your
hands forced a little bit.

Speaker 8 (01:32:38):
In terms of.

Speaker 25 (01:32:38):
Strategy, you can't really be more aggressive because you can
just come up stuck so quickly. So I suspect a
strategy would have changed. She's got an awesome caddy on
the bag and Henry. Henry would have kept him pretty
level headed and just you know, going back to that
stick to your process. Golf's the game of well, I
wouldn't say luck, but you know, you get positive and

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negative variance. And so sometimes you had a shot and
you push it, but the pen happens to be on
the right and those close, and sometimes you pull it
and depends on the left and it goes close. So
I think he had just even in those days. You
just got to be patient and that variance will working
towards your favor at some point.

Speaker 3 (01:33:16):
This is a course where there are obviously birdies out there.
It's low scoring for those obviously who are doing well there.
And Dan, you know, five under in the first round,
four under in the second round. There are birdies out
there for him, What does he need to do especially
well in the fourth round to challenge for a top
ten finish? In this tournament.

Speaker 25 (01:33:36):
Well, he's one of the longest and most acurosity, so
if he can nail that combination and then make some
good decisions in there, that's the last round of There's
so much to play for in this round. For a
lot of those guys that you know, the top ten
who aren't already exempt to get a PGA Tour card
on the US Tour next year, that's just massive and
they're all striving for that. So there'll be guys that

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won't handle that particularly well, and there'll be guys that
do handle it particularly well. One of the guys that
was a headed down on the list, Jordan Smith, didn't
have a great first two rounds, but then he's eight
under sixty four yesterday, so there's going to be some
jost thing for positions. So I think Dan's got to
probably leank on Henry a bit, stay patient. He's good enough.
I've had about three or four coaches who work on

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tour reach out and just talk how impressive Dan is
as both of the young men but also as a
golfer and as a ball striker, and how impressive he's
been at the back half of the year. So he's
got a lot of people rooting for him over there.

Speaker 3 (01:34:32):
So as you've outlined the PGA Tour card, he has
to finish in the I think is it the top ten,
top twelve, or certainly up near the top of the
non exempt golfers. So how tempting would it be for
him to keep an eye on others? And how unhelpful
might there be if he keeps eyes on other golfers
and how they're going and doesn't give full focus to

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his own game.

Speaker 25 (01:34:56):
Yeah, it wouldn't be helpful at all. And I think
the thing is it's so complex that I don't think
he'll be able to He wouldn't be able to keep up.
He could see the leader boards, but there's probably about
five or six guys jostling for position. That's not simply
where you finish, it's where you finish relative to other people.
So it's probably the good thing is it's probably too

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complicate that actually be trying to work out while you're
out there, and he won't have enough access to that.
He'll see leaderboards, but the leaderboard generally speaking, shows the
top couple of pages, and you an really know what's
going on behind that, and you don't really want to
be distracted by.

Speaker 3 (01:35:31):
That, absolutely no, I know, you just just focus on
your own game, don't you. How big would it be
if he was able to gain himself a PGA Tour card.

Speaker 25 (01:35:41):
It'd be huge because I think the PGA Tour would
suit Dan really well, like he's an impressive ball striker,
controls his flight really well. It's a long obviously, the
best players in the world are probably playing on that tour,
which is why they now give those ten cards away.
He'd be back with Foxy, who I know. Those two
get on really well and spend a lot of time together,

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and it'd be cool for golf of New Zealand to go.
You know, imagine having two players on the PGA Tour.
Haven't had that for a while. And then we've got
Kazuma on the dp Tour, and we've got some Fia
and his jew's just spent a year on the LPGA
this year with Lydia. We've got a couple of girls
on the Ladies European Tour, my Mirka Kabori, Kazuma's sister,
and Amelia Garvey. So it's pretty cool for New Zealand,

(01:36:24):
not just obviously Dan giving a PGA Tour cut, but
that that would be icing on the cake for sure.

Speaker 3 (01:36:29):
And just back to the mental side of the game, Jay,
you know you can. You can coach a player as
much as you like in terms of the way they
drive the ball, the way they part everything in between.
But how much of it is mental On the biggest
stage like this.

Speaker 25 (01:36:45):
Oh, it's massive. Dan does a great job in that
space too. Like I said before, like his ability to
bounce back is huge. I remember I think his last
tournament as an amateur, he had a shock run like
eighty three in the second round, I mean sixty five
or sixty six the next day, so he's got evidence
that he can do it. His boning language has also,
It's something I used coaching younger players. Now they use

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videos and photos of Dan. If you look at him
when he's doing an interview, he's always like in a
Superman pos His chest is always up and out, his
eyes are always up. So even little things like that,
whether that's intentional or not, I think the body language
can lead to some of that positive reinforcement, and he
does a great job of that. If it was anyone,
if you wanted anyone playing in the final round for

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your life, Jase from New Zealand. You Dan Hillary would be.

Speaker 3 (01:37:31):
Well up there, great stuff. Well, can't wait to see
how it goes tonight for him in a really big
round in the context of his career. Just I mean
worst case scenario. If he doesn't get the PGA to
a card, he's back on the DP world too next
year again, isn't he That wouldn't be the worst possible outcome.

Speaker 25 (01:37:47):
No, it'd be awesome. He'll get into all the rollings events.
He'll be one of the big dogs. He knows that
he can do it because he was close last year.
You know, if he doesn't get it, he's close again
this year, so there'll be enough evidence for him to
go I can do it and he loves it out here.

Speaker 3 (01:38:03):
True Jake, great to chet your thanks so much for
giving us the insight. As I say, can't wait to
see how Dan goes in the fourth round tonight. Thanks
for taking out call. Excuse no, thank you mate. That
is Jake Carter, our national coach with Golf New Zealand
and a coach who's worked very closely with Daniel Hilly
are down the years, so nine under the car. That's
how we started. The day I was keeping eyes on

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Dan Hilly last night watching him, and he did have
some early struggles, to say, three bogies in the space
of four holes early in his round, but then he
came right and I woke up this morning I did
quite make it through to the end of his round live.
And to find him having eagled the eighteenth what a
boost for him, And as Jay said, what a good
way to go to sleep. So you're basically nine under,

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you're only four shots back from the lead. When he
started his third round he was only three shots back
from the lead. He was nine under and the leaders
were at twelve. So not a lot has changed, really,
And this equation around which PGA Tour card could be

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his is really out of his hands. He can't keep
eyes on what others are doing. He can't see where
he is relative to the others who are also seeking
that elusive and yet so valuable PGA Tour card. All
he can do, Dan Hilly is what he always does.
It's play the best eighteen holes he can. That's it,
simple as that, and he's shown on this course that

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he's capable of doing it. Five under in the first round,
four under in the second, another eighteen holes and who
knows where he might turn up. Kazumi Kobori is the
other key we in the field. He is six under.
Kabori's underway at around six point thirty five tonight in
New Zealand time. Dan Hilly will go about an hour
after that. He is seventeenth, but as I say, only

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four shots back from the lead. Rory McElroy and Rasmus
near Guard Peterson are the joint leaders at thirteen under.
Bunch of pliers at twelve and eleven under and ten
under as well as Yes, a tightly packed field well
six sixteen players from thirteen under down to ten under.

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So it's anybody's tournament. Dan Hilly at tucked in there
at nine under the card. Let's have a look at
the cricket fourteen without lost New Zealand through Is there
five overs, five overs, fourteen without loss or my eyes
deceiving me, No, they're not. So a relatively sedate start
for Devin Conway and Ruch and Revendra at Hagley Oval.
It is fifty over game, not a T twenty after all,

(01:40:34):
but Conway ten not out. Revendra unbeaten on three. New
Zealand fourteen without loss after five overs have been having
been sentence a bat by the West Indies in the
first one day and the All Whites halftime in their
match against Columbia. They trail by a Golton nill so
one nil to Columbia over ther Whites at halftime two

(01:40:55):
twenty five, Take a Break, Come Back, Talk, Some Olympic
games and the schedule for LA twenty twenty eight.

Speaker 1 (01:41:00):
This is the biggest season sports are on Weekend Sports
with Jason Time and GJ Nomes New Zealand's most trusted
home builder, News Talks NB.

Speaker 3 (01:41:10):
Coming up to twenty eight on News Talks NB and
Weekend Sport. The competition schedule for the twenty twenty eight
Los Angeles Olympics has been unveiled. They will be the
biggest Olympic Games ever, featuring thirty six sports and fifty
one disciplines across forty nine competition venues in eighteen zones
throughout Los Angeles and Oklahoma City. The Olympic opening ceremony

(01:41:35):
will take place on the fourteenth of July twenty twenty eight,
the closing ceremony on the thirtieth of July. Three time
Olympian and men's Blacksticks triple Centurion. Ryan Archieboard is the
New Zealand Olympic Committee's Team Services Director. He joins us now, Ryan,
thanks for your time. What are your overall thoughts, first

(01:41:55):
of all on the schedule for twenty twenty eight.

Speaker 31 (01:42:00):
Good a Piney. The schedule is extensive, you know, more
sports than we're at the Paris Games, and to me,
it's really exciting and it's fantastic that LA twenty eight
have released such detailed information so early in the piece
just makes I guess builds excitement but also makes planning

(01:42:21):
for us here at MZOC and our sports that much easier.

Speaker 3 (01:42:25):
I was going to ask that because and you'll be
able to confirm this. It seems like this information is available,
you know, quite quite a way out. Is this earlier
than usual?

Speaker 4 (01:42:35):
It is earlier than usual.

Speaker 7 (01:42:37):
You know.

Speaker 31 (01:42:37):
I had the benefit of being in LA spending some
time with the organizing committee in May this year, and
I was really impressed with how advanced they are with
their planning. And I think a lot of that is
actually driven by the commercial realities of this games. There's
no public money as I understand it, going into the
the LA Games, so you know, the organizing committee are

(01:42:58):
really driven to generate revenue, so they're wanting to put
things in place early so that they can sell tickets,
get sponsors on board, and what have you. So I
think that that commercial reality is driving a lot of
this early action.

Speaker 3 (01:43:11):
One of the main talking points is the swapping of
swimming and track and field. Traditionally, swimming takes place in
the first week of the Olympics and then track and
field in the second week. They flip that. Why have
they done that?

Speaker 31 (01:43:24):
I think the reason for that is the venues the stadium. So,
so swimming is going to be in an NFL stadium
if you can believe that. So the Sofi Stadium, which
is home to the La Rams, the organizing committee are
going to put two Olympic sized swimming pools in that stadium,
and so I think that move to have swimming in

(01:43:47):
that venue is driving the change between swimming and athletics. So, yes,
something different, something new for the Olympic Games. But I
think the fact that, you know, putting swimming in an
NFL stadium is going to be quite an exciting thing.
It's going to allow for bigger crowds and a really
innovation of way of going about delivering swimming for games.

Speaker 3 (01:44:09):
So just the clarity that could have happened in the
first week. But is it also around the fact that
they want to use that stadium for the opening ceremony
or part of it.

Speaker 31 (01:44:18):
Yeah, I think that that certainly affectors into it. So
the opening ceremony is going to be in two stadiums.
It will be partly in Sofi Stadium and also in
the coliseum, which held the opening ceremony for the previous
time LA hosted the Olympics. Yeah, so I guess there's
some logistical things that need to happen around that. Hints, hints,

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swimming has been been pushed back to the second half
of the games.

Speaker 3 (01:44:42):
All right, Well, look forward to seeing how that affects
or you know, what it changes in terms of our
swimmers and our track and field athletes as they build
towards the Games. What is your overall brief Ryan? As
Team Services director, what is your job?

Speaker 31 (01:44:58):
So, my role in a nutshell is to plan and
prepare the team for the games and to kind of
execute the delivery of the team at games. And really
when we think about delivering attends to games, it's about
taking care of the Olympic overlay. Kind of the operations logistics,

(01:45:18):
but it's also ensuring that that we create a performance
environment at the games so that when our sports come in,
when our athletes, coaches and what have you arrived at
the games, they can just get on and do what
they do best without having to worry about all that
comes with a huge event like the Olympics.

Speaker 3 (01:45:35):
What are the main challenges you face in executing your role?

Speaker 25 (01:45:40):
Well, I think the context for each games is different,
so the environment you're going into is different. Challenges can
be can be plentiful. That can range from I guess
the geographic dispersion of of sports across the city or
across a country. You know, for example, Los Angeles, there's

(01:46:00):
a couple of sports that are actually going to be
based in Oklahoma, which is a four hour flights away
from Los Angeles. We've got to make sure that we get,
you know, all of our teams that are competing, all
of our individual athletes, our teams to the games. So
there's a really big logistical component behind delivering the team
for games, so that you know, those are just just

(01:46:22):
a few of the challenges, but it varies depending on
the location.

Speaker 3 (01:46:25):
And twenty twenty eight does seem like a way way off,
but I'm sure you've got it sort of all planned
out to the day between now in July of twenty
twenty eight. What are the key landmarks for you between
now and then, in particular over the next year to
eighteen months or so.

Speaker 31 (01:46:40):
Yeah, I mean it's interesting. So, you know, planning for
a pinnacle event like the Olympics, you know we're starting,
you know, three to four years out. We've already you know,
locked in additional accommodations. The Olympic village is going to
be at UCLA, but that never has enough beds through everybody,
so we're already looking to see what we can provide

(01:47:02):
around that area for the team. But we've also got
a number of other events before Los Angeles. So while
we're kind of ticking some Los Angeles milestones off, we've
still got the Winter Olympics to deliver next year, We've
got the Commonwealth Games to deliver next year, and also
we used Olympics later in twenty twenty six, so it's
kind of never stops really for us at INSIDOC when

(01:47:25):
it comes to planning and delivering games, and so we
kind of you know, Los Angeles obviously being incredibly important.
We kind of just sort of add that to the
menu of things that we're working on.

Speaker 3 (01:47:35):
Do you even start thinking about twenty thirty two yet
or not?

Speaker 9 (01:47:41):
Yes, in a sense we are.

Speaker 31 (01:47:43):
We're thinking about twenty twenty to twenty thirty two more
from a probably a commercial perspective, So INSIDOC has some
operations and building up our kind of support on the
ground in twenty thirty two in terms of how we
fund the team, you know where we're largely commercially thundered organization,

(01:48:08):
so we do think, you know, several cycles ahead in
terms of I guess how sustainability is an organization and
how we will fund teams?

Speaker 35 (01:48:17):
Two games?

Speaker 3 (01:48:17):
All right, Well, it is, as I say, a little
way off, but it's going to rush up. And in
true American fashion, they love doing things on a large scale,
don't they. As you say, a couple of Olympic sized
swimming pools inside a NFL stadium opening ceremony across two
different venues. Are you aware of other sort of innovations
that the organizing committee have planned for us for twenty twenty.

Speaker 31 (01:48:40):
Eight All they do certainly like to do it, but
I know, I'm sure I'll be keeping a few surprises
under apps, but you know, from what I've seen to date,
you know, LA's blessed with some fantastic facilities. You know,
has a number of existing professional professional franchises with stadiums,

(01:49:01):
so the facilities are going to be absolutely brilliant. So
you know, my expectation is that it'll be a really
slick games and provide a great experience for throw athletes
who are competing. But also you know, I guess the
hundreds of New Zealanders that will be there to support
the team.

Speaker 3 (01:49:16):
All right, brilliant. Ryan, Hey, thank you so much for
the update this afternoon. Really appreciate your time.

Speaker 4 (01:49:20):
You're welcome.

Speaker 3 (01:49:21):
That's Ryan archiebald here is the New Zealand Olympic Committee's
Team Services Director. So the Shedge lad already for twenty
twenty eight, fourteen million tickets are on sale. Fourteen million.
Goodness me, I think I read that Los Angeles or
did Ryan just say it is the first one that

(01:49:42):
has no public funding. It's all privately funded, so I
guess that's why they got to sell all the tickets.
The interesting part, the most interesting part is the flipping
of the of the Athletics and the swimming, and the
fact that there are changes within the track and field
program as well, in that the one hundred meters, the
women's hundred meters will all happen on the first day semisi.

(01:50:06):
The heats first, heats, semis final, so those who make
the final of the women's one hundred meters, and then
on day two the men's one hundred meters. We'll all
run three times on that day. Normally it's a semi
and a final on the same day the heats normally
the previous day. Certainly it's split over two days, but no,

(01:50:27):
they want to hit with a bang. So Zoey Hobbs,
who will no doubt be there in LA in twenty
twenty eight. Well, hopefully fingers crossed run three times on
the opening day, a heat, a semi, and hopefully the
women's one hundred meter final, and then the men will
do that on the second day. The front loaded a
lot of the big events at the track and field.

(01:50:49):
I think I guess to hit with a bang and
the track and field will finish and then the swimming
will take place. It'll be quite a change from what
we used to where Olympics always start with the swimming
for a week and then we get ready for the
track and field. Flip it around, flip it around, updating
you on the cricket. New Zealand have lost a couple
of quick wickets right and Ravendra caught behind by Shay

(01:51:11):
Hope off the bowling of Matthew Ford for four. Will
Young came in and lasted just one delivery. He was
out an identical fashion, caught behind by Hope off the
bowling of Ford for a first ball duck. Daryl Mitchell
survived the hat trick. He has yet to score. Devin
Conways out there on nineteen seven overs gone and it's usual.
I'm making pretty heavy weather of this. Twenty four for two,

(01:51:34):
twenty four for two into now the eighth over and
then the football the back after halftime, Columbia leading the
All Whites by a goal to knell, twenty two away
from three. We'll take a break, come back and talk
to one of our great servants of hockey, Blacksticks former
defender and former captain as well. Blair Tarrant has decided

(01:51:55):
that he has had enough of international hockey. He has
called it a day after an extremely impressive career. So
how did he know? And you know, it was time.
Blair Tarrant going to join us on Weekend Sport after this.

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Coming up to forty two Sunday afternoon on Weekend Sport.
After an incredible career spanning over fifteen years, Blacksticks men's
defender and former captain Blair Tarrant has announced his retirement
from international hockey. He's been to three Olympic Games, three
Commonwealth Games and three World Cups, racking up two hundred

(01:52:41):
and seventy two matches for the national side. Blair Tarrant
has with US congratulations made on a stellar career. How
did you know that it was time?

Speaker 28 (01:52:51):
Yes?

Speaker 36 (01:52:52):
Thanks, I kind of felt like it was time, probably
about six months ago and then yeah, feel feel good
about it now.

Speaker 3 (01:52:59):
To be honest, did any part of you want to
carry on?

Speaker 30 (01:53:03):
Oh?

Speaker 36 (01:53:04):
There was there's a World Cup next year, so there
was a small part of me that was considering whether
to push through to that, but the time had passed definitely.

Speaker 3 (01:53:12):
Well how do you know, though, because I'm sure if
you carried on you could go to that World Cup
and who knows beyond that? What was your decision making process?
And once you did make the decision, as you say,
were you're pretty comfortable with it?

Speaker 25 (01:53:25):
Actually a good question.

Speaker 36 (01:53:26):
I think there's a couple of things. The first thing
is there's a bunch of young guys who are really good,
and I reckon they need a good runway to the
next Olympics. And then on the flip side, the body
is getting pretty sure. So that kind of answered my
question of it there as well.

Speaker 3 (01:53:39):
You daboot for the national team at the age of
what nineteen twenty. Did you feel ready for international hockey
when you debuted?

Speaker 1 (01:53:48):
No?

Speaker 36 (01:53:48):
Probably not. I think in New Zealand sometimes we get
chucked in reasonably young because of the depths in this country,
and it takes a while to get to that level.
So I think the truth is no, not at the start.

Speaker 3 (01:54:02):
And how long did it take? When did you start
to feel comfortable at international level?

Speaker 36 (01:54:09):
It kind of comes in swings, like there was a
period where you know, you might get a bit of form,
and then I think after maybe a year or so
in the environment, I started feeling confident in every part
of the game. But it takes You need to keep
developing your whole career, and I tried to do that
my whole way through.

Speaker 3 (01:54:25):
How did your game evolve and develop during your time
in the national side.

Speaker 36 (01:54:31):
I think my on boll hockey got better and as
I got older, my defending got worse, So it was
a bit of a mixpag, I reckon.

Speaker 3 (01:54:41):
And what about the game of hockey itself? Did did
the game of hockey change and evolve significantly in terms
of the way it was played during your time at
the top?

Speaker 36 (01:54:52):
Yeah, it had a lot actually, like rule changes, et cetera.
The biggest change for me these days is probably the
ability to players have with the highball, so the ability
to receive it and the ability to had it on
a dime to be defenses. I reckon, that's probably the
biggest change I've seen. Also, the cool thing about hockey
is every kind of area in the world plays quite differently,

(01:55:15):
so we do playing against an Asian team or European team,
It's like it's quite unique in the way each team plays.
And I reckon, that's yeah, that's quite cool.

Speaker 25 (01:55:23):
Fockey.

Speaker 3 (01:55:24):
What were the hallmarks of the way the Black Sticks played?
What was in the Black Sticks Hockey DNA during your
time in the team.

Speaker 36 (01:55:31):
Yeah, I think when we're at our best, we are
really dangerous on the counter attack and we play a
skillful game and we have to keep leaning into that
because you know it is hard at the top, but
that for me, we are dangerous on the counter and
we have individual ability when we're at our best.

Speaker 3 (01:55:47):
Does anything in particular stand out as a career highlight?

Speaker 36 (01:55:52):
Oh, not no tournament in particular, but probably just the
environment at times when it was at its best, Like
it's so fun to be in and then you go
through the hard times which make it even better when
you push through when the team's going well again. So
probably the reflecting on that in terms of, you know,
getting the team through tough times to then launch into

(01:56:13):
the future probably might highlight.

Speaker 3 (01:56:15):
And you captain the side for a five year period
which took in the COVID years as well, which must
have been a challenge in itself. What was your leadership
style in the Black Sticks?

Speaker 36 (01:56:25):
I think reasonably direct when it comes to hockey, but
also just trying to trying to build a connection with
every player and the team don't always get it right,
but yeah, connections first and then yeah, pretty direct when
it comes to hockey yourself.

Speaker 3 (01:56:40):
You may mention of it before. With some youngsters coming through,
how do you evaluate where the high performance means programmers?
Right now?

Speaker 36 (01:56:51):
The black Sticks themselves, the men, I think have a
lot of talent in there, and I think they could
do something secue in the next two years. But I'm
an optimist and I like to think that. But yeah,
I think it's in a good space in the men's
side and the women as well.

Speaker 3 (01:57:05):
What are the challenge I'm just facing the game here.

Speaker 36 (01:57:09):
Oh, look, the challenges are we're on the other side
of the world and it's expensive, so for young guys
to get exposed to top tournaments, top coaching, etc. You know,
like it's hard from the start of the world, but
you know we can still make it work.

Speaker 3 (01:57:26):
Do you think you'll miss it.

Speaker 36 (01:57:30):
I don't think I'll miss playing at the highest level
anymore because that's passed in my mind. But I'll definitely
miss being around the guys and then working really hard
collectively to make something happen.

Speaker 3 (01:57:42):
Will you stay involved in the game.

Speaker 36 (01:57:44):
Yeah, I enjoy coaching, so I'm doing a bit of
coaching at the moment, and yeah, I really enjoyed that.
So I'll stand bolved.

Speaker 3 (01:57:50):
Do you reckon though, You'll be coaching and then you'll think,
oh gee, I could get back out there.

Speaker 36 (01:57:55):
Yeah, my ego will think that.

Speaker 9 (01:57:58):
It'll be wrong.

Speaker 3 (01:58:01):
Lovably, I love it well, mate, It's been an absolutely
magnificent career. Congratulations on it. I'm glad you're staying in
the game, mate. Thanks for taking the time for chat
this afternoon.

Speaker 36 (01:58:10):
Yeah, awesome. Thanks for chatting to me, mack No, thank.

Speaker 3 (01:58:11):
You for chatting to me. Blair Blair Tarrant there, who
has announced his international retirement from hockey fifteen years in
the national side, two hundred and seventy two matches, three Olympics,
three Commonwealth Games, three World Cups as well. I'm going
to circle back to the rugby just very briefly. Billy
Proctor a start at center for the All Blacks this
morning against England at Twickenham, our team on the grand

(01:58:34):
theyre caught up with them afterwards to find out, first
of all, where he thought the game got away from
the All Blacks.

Speaker 16 (01:58:39):
You know, I think we created opportunities, you know, we
just don't execute, you know, especially in that last probably
twenty when we were down was it twelve. Maybe you know,
we had pretty opportunities to get back in front, and
you know we took one of them, brought it down

(01:59:00):
to six and then didn't take the other ones and
they probably took their So yeah, things to reflect on
and look back we get to our review process.

Speaker 21 (01:59:12):
I feel England sort of took the momentum just before
halftime with those drop goals, and then after half time
we're able to get on top.

Speaker 16 (01:59:19):
Uh maybe a little bit, but we were still on
top of half. We were still up at halftime. We
mentioned that and again even in the first half there
were a few that we missed and you know, they
hit two drop goals, but you know we still were
up and you know, back ourselves in that situation to

(01:59:39):
finish Caam you.

Speaker 35 (01:59:41):
Can give us a sense of thus going in the camp,
you know, you were chasing this great slams time of
fifteen years, won the first three games, came here with
a lot of belief and you sort of sum up
the sentimental years.

Speaker 2 (01:59:54):
Yeah, we disappointed.

Speaker 16 (01:59:56):
The whole goal coming over here was to complete the
Grand Slam, and obviously that I guess that's failed tonight.
But again we just have a look at ourselves and
then take the learnings onto next week because you know
we're another game, you know, to to prepare for.

Speaker 7 (02:00:15):
And get through the all black Jersey prowd.

Speaker 2 (02:00:18):
He feels that third quarter again.

Speaker 22 (02:00:20):
You know, I came out after the break, no penalties
in the first heart which is kind of UnHerd of
yellow card England search two tries.

Speaker 2 (02:00:28):
I think that's the Yeah, that was a period where they.

Speaker 7 (02:00:32):
Took control of the game.

Speaker 16 (02:00:33):
That poor potentially Obviously we've talked about discipline and yeah,
we get a card early, which is an ideal, but
again we still back ourselves to find a way out. Yeah,
to find a way and and and when and again
we create opportunities to put ourselves in that position. We

(02:00:53):
just didn't didn't finish, which is probably disappointing.

Speaker 3 (02:00:56):
Part Billy brought us speaking to the media after the
loss to England at Twickenham this morning. Usually on the
thirty six for two in the cricket and the tenth
over batting first against the West and East, Devin Conway
on and on twenty three Daryl Mitchell is there on six,
ritch in Ravendra for four and Will Young for a duck.
Are the men out and still one nil? Between Columbia
and New Zealand after an hour of their international football

(02:01:17):
friendly in the United States. Nine to three New STALKSB.

Speaker 1 (02:01:21):
Breaking down the Hail Mary's and the epic fails. Weekend
Sport with Jason m News Talk ZENB.

Speaker 3 (02:01:30):
Coming up two fifty four and coming up to the
end of the show. That's pretty much us on Weekend
Sport for today. Tim Beveridge is your host after three
for the Weekend Collective Sunday edition with his three hours
of audio Gold. As per usual, no doubt. We're back
tomorrow night on Sports Talk between seven and eight to
wrap the week and well, I guess pick over the

(02:01:51):
bones of the All Blacks. I'm sure that there'll still
be more to be said tomorrow, as we've had the
chance to sleep on it perhaps and think more about it.
Huge thanks for all of those who took the time
to contribute this afternoon to the show. Just a mountain
of text messages and feedback. I'm constantly amazed, I must say,
by the intelligent thinking of the Weekend Sport audience and

(02:02:14):
the very very sound and logical suggestions you make on text.
There are others as well who well maybe there the
logic isn't quite so sound, but you cannot doubt their passion.
Massive thanks to Andy McDonald for pulling the show together
as always. Thanks mate. Enjoy your afternoon. I hope it's say,
are relaxing one. I hope you enjoyed your afternoon as well.

(02:02:35):
Taking us out today Robbie Williams with one of the
universal truths of sport. You win some, you lose some,
said them A name.

Speaker 24 (02:03:06):
That Sabbath, so.

Speaker 9 (02:03:19):
S the.

Speaker 24 (02:03:26):
W you win, so your little sun sab you so
the up in everyone you win?

Speaker 29 (02:03:44):
Son you so Duscott vows gone home. You will shun
your new son. Now's got, now's gone you.

Speaker 15 (02:04:01):
Will so you will so nows go.

Speaker 24 (02:04:07):
Now let's gone.

Speaker 7 (02:04:09):
You have.

Speaker 24 (02:04:13):
Now let's gone.

Speaker 15 (02:04:15):
Now it's gone.

Speaker 24 (02:04:18):
You have some you know some wins.

Speaker 1 (02:04:28):
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