The Prime Minister's meeting with his Japanese counterpart came amid escalating tensions in the Indo-Pacific region.
After a rocky beginning, Prime Ministers Luxon and Kishida finalised a high-level government-to-government information security agreement by the end of the trip.
ZB political editor Jason Walls says this came as Russian President Vladimir Putin visited Pyongyang, sparking concerns over nuclear weapons.
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Speaker 1 (00:06):
You're listening to the Sunday Session podcast with Francesca Rudkin
from News Talks EDB.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
We'll get to a politics now joining me, we have
got News Talk ZDB political editor Jason Woolms.
Speaker 3 (00:17):
Good morning, Good morning, good morning.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
Let's start with the positive when it comes to the
Prime Minister's trip to Japan, and that is what we
should be focusing on. The ambition was to strengthen both
economic and security ties.
Speaker 3 (00:29):
What was achieved, Oh well, starting with the latter, I
mean you would say that security ties definitely were strengthened.
Right at the end of the trip, he had a
meeting with Prime Minister Fumiyo Kashita in his Prime Ministerial
residence where that's exactly what they did. They signed an
information Sharing Agreement Information rather Sharing Agreement, which basically gives
(00:49):
each country access to each of the other countries various
different intelligence. Various intelligence essentially is what it is now.
We don't know a whole lot about it. We didn't
get to ask Chris lux and many questions before we
got onto the plane to go back to New Zealand.
But it was something that was actually set up by
Jacinda r. Dern when she went to visit the Japanese
(01:12):
PM back in twenty twenty two, and the Prime Minister
going over there to sign it off essentially just bookended
that and meant that it was something that had been
now being thought out and now had been signed into
the respective relationships between the two countries. And it came
exactly at the same time that Vladimir Putin was in
pyeong Yang talking to Kim Jong un, And of course
(01:35):
that represents a major threat for the Western alliances and
what they were talking about in terms of various different
nuclear and ballistic weapons conversations that they were having, So
the security ties come at a very important time. However,
I doubt that Putin and Kim Jong un were over
there quaking in their boots knowing that New Zealand now
(01:56):
had a little bit more information about what was happening
in South Korea and North Korea.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
Rather, did you get the chance to talk to the
business leaders who headed to Japan? How did they feel
about the trip? Are they feeling positive about the outcomes?
Speaker 1 (02:09):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (02:09):
Yeah, you know what, Like just being there is quite
good for them. They get to be able to meet
with some prospective clients and being on a trip like
that with the Prime Minister does tend to open quite
a few doors for them. During this trip, there were
a few deals that were made in terms of so
Peter Beck he did a deal with a Japanese company
which to have a ten launch exclusive deal to get
(02:33):
there satellites into space. However, I will note that that
would have happened whether or not the Prime Minister was there.
It was just happened that he was there at the
time for this announcement to happen and got up at
the launch to say a few words. So it's not
like these things wouldn't have happened if the Prime Minister
was there. And I think, somewhat ironically, it's better for
(02:55):
smaller quote unquote see list companies to be with the
Prime minister because they're the ones that usually wouldn't get
a look in when it comes to regular business dealings.
But being there with the Prime minister it would actually
open quite a few doors. And the bigger companies such
as A and Z and rocket Lab, you know, they
can do these things without the Prime minister.
Speaker 2 (03:13):
All right, So let's deal with this the Sealist comment
it was a little unnecessary. I think if you're doing
a better job than your predecessor. You don't need to
run them down, you just need to talk about the
good work you're doing. And it's a shame that the
Prime Minister ended up in a distraction of his own making.
Speaker 3 (03:29):
Oh it's very much a shame that that happened. And
for context, he did a round of pre interview trips
with various different media and he was talking to me
on Friday where he said, I basically asked them that
very same question. I was like, why do you need
such a good caliber business delegation? They can kind of
do these things by themselves. And that's where he made
the celist comments. And then after I reported that, it
(03:50):
went all far and right across New Zealand and basically
a lot of people saying that it was very disparaging
to the former business delegations. A lot of them included
the same people or the same organizations that were there
with them on this trip. I mean you think of
the likes of Fonterra that was on both trips with
just into our durn and with Chris Luxon and last
time actually it was their CEO that came along. So
(04:13):
it's not exactly correct, and it's not exactly a very
good look for a prime minister to be saying these
things saying he also said there were tag alongs and
watered down, so he didn't win any brownie points in
the business community for saying those sorts of things. I
would say, should.
Speaker 2 (04:27):
We just buy a new plane, Jason? I do you
appreciate that?
Speaker 1 (04:30):
You know?
Speaker 3 (04:31):
I mean I have, and listen, I don't want to
sound like I'm being bought by the Defense Force year,
but I do have some sympathy for the plight of
old Betty. Is what we call her, the Defense Force
plane in so far as the fact that if it
breaks down just as much as normal planes is what
we're told. The problem is that there's not another one
on standby that we can switch quickly, switch it in
(04:51):
and out, and that's why this sort of stuff keeps happening.
I mean, you don't want to be driving or flying
on a plane that's got a maintenance error. But at
the same time, we can't have a fleet of planes
that fly behind the Prime minister. I mean that happened
when we went to China last year with Chris Hipkins.
There was a contingency plane that flew alongside this one
and then Chris Hepkins got a whole bunch of trouble
(05:12):
by Chris Luxon who said it was a waste of money.
So you know, I think it's probably time that we
do look at upgrading. I mean, the problem that the
government has is that it would be spending money on
something that is seen as a luxury at a time
of a cost of living crisis. But when the plane
breaking down is on the front page of the Herald
every time it happens, you'd have to start asking some
(05:34):
of those questions. But as I understand it, the Prime Minister,
we'll be looking to utilize commercial options going forward when
it comes to going overseas, and that means that US
media usually we get to go in the Defense Force plane.
We get invoiced for that, but it's not as much
as it would be for a commercial option. So there
are some trade offs there because it means that some
(05:55):
of the small outlets might not be able to afford it,
So there are some real things to consider there.
Speaker 2 (06:00):
Glad you made at home in one piece, Stison Wolves,
thank you so much for your time this morning. That
was news Talks. He'd be political editor.
Speaker 1 (06:06):
For more from the Sunday Session with Francesca Rudkin. Listen
live to News Talks at B from nine a m. Sunday,
or follow the podcast on iHeartRadio
You're listening to the Sunday Session podcast with Francesca Rudkin
from News Talks EDB.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
We'll get to a politics now joining me, we have
got News Talk ZDB political editor Jason Woolms.
Speaker 3 (00:17):
Good morning, Good morning, good morning.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
Let's start with the positive when it comes to the
Prime Minister's trip to Japan, and that is what we
should be focusing on. The ambition was to strengthen both
economic and security ties.
Speaker 3 (00:29):
What was achieved, Oh well, starting with the latter, I
mean you would say that security ties definitely were strengthened.
Right at the end of the trip, he had a
meeting with Prime Minister Fumiyo Kashita in his Prime Ministerial
residence where that's exactly what they did. They signed an
information Sharing Agreement Information rather Sharing Agreement, which basically gives
(00:49):
each country access to each of the other countries various
different intelligence. Various intelligence essentially is what it is now.
We don't know a whole lot about it. We didn't
get to ask Chris lux and many questions before we
got onto the plane to go back to New Zealand.
But it was something that was actually set up by
Jacinda r. Dern when she went to visit the Japanese
(01:12):
PM back in twenty twenty two, and the Prime Minister
going over there to sign it off essentially just bookended
that and meant that it was something that had been
now being thought out and now had been signed into
the respective relationships between the two countries. And it came
exactly at the same time that Vladimir Putin was in
pyeong Yang talking to Kim Jong un, And of course
(01:35):
that represents a major threat for the Western alliances and
what they were talking about in terms of various different
nuclear and ballistic weapons conversations that they were having, So
the security ties come at a very important time. However,
I doubt that Putin and Kim Jong un were over
there quaking in their boots knowing that New Zealand now
(01:56):
had a little bit more information about what was happening
in South Korea and North Korea.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
Rather, did you get the chance to talk to the
business leaders who headed to Japan? How did they feel
about the trip? Are they feeling positive about the outcomes?
Speaker 1 (02:09):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (02:09):
Yeah, you know what, Like just being there is quite
good for them. They get to be able to meet
with some prospective clients and being on a trip like
that with the Prime Minister does tend to open quite
a few doors for them. During this trip, there were
a few deals that were made in terms of so
Peter Beck he did a deal with a Japanese company
which to have a ten launch exclusive deal to get
(02:33):
there satellites into space. However, I will note that that
would have happened whether or not the Prime Minister was there.
It was just happened that he was there at the
time for this announcement to happen and got up at
the launch to say a few words. So it's not
like these things wouldn't have happened if the Prime Minister
was there. And I think, somewhat ironically, it's better for
(02:55):
smaller quote unquote see list companies to be with the
Prime minister because they're the ones that usually wouldn't get
a look in when it comes to regular business dealings.
But being there with the Prime minister it would actually
open quite a few doors. And the bigger companies such
as A and Z and rocket Lab, you know, they
can do these things without the Prime minister.
Speaker 2 (03:13):
All right, So let's deal with this the Sealist comment
it was a little unnecessary. I think if you're doing
a better job than your predecessor. You don't need to
run them down, you just need to talk about the
good work you're doing. And it's a shame that the
Prime Minister ended up in a distraction of his own making.
Speaker 3 (03:29):
Oh it's very much a shame that that happened. And
for context, he did a round of pre interview trips
with various different media and he was talking to me
on Friday where he said, I basically asked them that
very same question. I was like, why do you need
such a good caliber business delegation? They can kind of
do these things by themselves. And that's where he made
the celist comments. And then after I reported that, it
(03:50):
went all far and right across New Zealand and basically
a lot of people saying that it was very disparaging
to the former business delegations. A lot of them included
the same people or the same organizations that were there
with them on this trip. I mean you think of
the likes of Fonterra that was on both trips with
just into our durn and with Chris Luxon and last
time actually it was their CEO that came along. So
(04:13):
it's not exactly correct, and it's not exactly a very
good look for a prime minister to be saying these
things saying he also said there were tag alongs and
watered down, so he didn't win any brownie points in
the business community for saying those sorts of things. I
would say, should.
Speaker 2 (04:27):
We just buy a new plane, Jason? I do you
appreciate that?
Speaker 1 (04:30):
You know?
Speaker 3 (04:31):
I mean I have, and listen, I don't want to
sound like I'm being bought by the Defense Force year,
but I do have some sympathy for the plight of
old Betty. Is what we call her, the Defense Force
plane in so far as the fact that if it
breaks down just as much as normal planes is what
we're told. The problem is that there's not another one
on standby that we can switch quickly, switch it in
(04:51):
and out, and that's why this sort of stuff keeps happening.
I mean, you don't want to be driving or flying
on a plane that's got a maintenance error. But at
the same time, we can't have a fleet of planes
that fly behind the Prime minister. I mean that happened
when we went to China last year with Chris Hipkins.
There was a contingency plane that flew alongside this one
and then Chris Hepkins got a whole bunch of trouble
(05:12):
by Chris Luxon who said it was a waste of money.
So you know, I think it's probably time that we
do look at upgrading. I mean, the problem that the
government has is that it would be spending money on
something that is seen as a luxury at a time
of a cost of living crisis. But when the plane
breaking down is on the front page of the Herald
every time it happens, you'd have to start asking some
(05:34):
of those questions. But as I understand it, the Prime Minister,
we'll be looking to utilize commercial options going forward when
it comes to going overseas, and that means that US
media usually we get to go in the Defense Force plane.
We get invoiced for that, but it's not as much
as it would be for a commercial option. So there
are some trade offs there because it means that some
(05:55):
of the small outlets might not be able to afford it,
So there are some real things to consider there.
Speaker 2 (06:00):
Glad you made at home in one piece, Stison Wolves,
thank you so much for your time this morning. That
was news Talks. He'd be political editor.
Speaker 1 (06:06):
For more from the Sunday Session with Francesca Rudkin. Listen
live to News Talks at B from nine a m. Sunday,
or follow the podcast on iHeartRadio
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