Full Show Podcast: 23 June 2024

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Speaker 1 (00:06):
You're listening to the Sunday Session podcast with Francesca Rudkin
from News Talks ed B.

Speaker 2 (00:13):
It's Sunday. You know what that means.

Speaker 1 (00:15):
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Speaker 3 (00:28):
Good morning and welcome to the Sunday Session. I'm Franchessco
Buco with you until midday. While congratulations to the Blues
winners of Super Rugby twenty twenty four. So they've taken
twenty one years, but finally the silverware returns to Auckland. Now,
of course our attention turns to the All Blacks with
the announcement tomorrow of the first All Black squad under
the guidance of new head coach Scott Robertson. We're going

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to talk about the rugby and the All Blacks shortly
worth Greg Feek. Also this hour we look back at
the New Zealand Beatles tour of nineteen sixty four. A
new book has been released for the anniversary. It's called
When We Was Fed Inside the Beatles Australasian Tour. I'd
love to hear your memories of the tour, flick them
through to me now. On ninety two ninety two, my

(01:12):
feature guest after ten is Captain Sandy Yawn from the
hugely popular TV show Below Deck Mediterranean. So the ninth
season of the show has just launched. On Hey you
and Sandy joined us in the studio to talk about
super yacht life and the countdown is on to the
Summer Olympics in Paris. I can't wait. I love a
sporting distraction in winter. After eleven week catch up with

(01:35):
the New Zealand Chef de Mission and Olympian Nigel Avery
to find out if Paris is ready and his expectations
of these Olympics. Of course, you can text any time
throughout the morning ninety two ninety.

Speaker 2 (01:47):
Two for Sunday Session.

Speaker 3 (01:52):
Yesterday, it looked like it was going to be impossible
to get someone from Kiwi Rail or the inter Islander
or the government to agree to our requests for an
interview this morning about the grounding of Thatterie, the inter
Islander ferry that ran aground two point eight kilometers north
i Pickton on Friday night. Not hugely surprising, right Understandably,

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the consequences of this steering failure are complicated, the potentially
vast and keeping them busy from ensuring the safety and
removal of those on board, the technical challenges of refloating
the ferry, monitoring the potential environmental damage, and no doubt
fielding unhelpful calls from those you're accountable to last night,

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though Into Islander General Manager duncan Roy did agree to
talk to us this morning and he will be with
us shortly, which we appreciate. But let's speak plainly. Pictures
of the Oratari sitting nestled under the cliffs of Totaki
Bay is a pr nightmare for all involved. There are
no winners in this situation and it tops off a

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pretty crappy week when it comes to asset maintenance. We
can't fly our Prime Minister to a meeting in Japan either,
and all it took was one power tower to tumble
to knock the power out in Norland. Honestly, what next?
After the government scrapped to the Mega Fairies plan due
to a blowout in the land's side infrastructure costs, the

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pressure has been on the government to offer another solution.
A Ministerial advisory group was put in place in February
to consider the future of the Cook Straight Service. The
government is assuring us they're committed to new ships, but
they will be kicking themselves that a plan hadn't been
settled before this incident. In a press conference yesterday afternoon,

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the buck was passed pretty quickly, with Transport Minister Simmy
and Brown making it very clear the onus was on
Kewi Rail to make sure they're maintaining their ships and
on Maritime New Zealand to make sure they do so.
And he is right. Regardless of what plan was or
will be in place to replace the current Fairies, the
Oratari would still have been sailing on Friday and for

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many more fridays to come. Keeping the fleet operational is
imperative until replacements have been delivered, but there's no doubt
that this will bring renewed pressure back on the government
to get new vessels and new port infrastructure underway. The
number of incidents tell us all we need to know.

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State Highway one over the Cookstrait is unreliable, it's disruptive
to businesses and freight service, and it feels like we're
just one more incident away from a disaster with a
much more serious outcome. In the meantime, though well done
to everyone involved in refloating the Oratary last night without incident.
Job well done. Let's just hope you don't have to do.

Speaker 2 (04:44):
It again with the Sunday session.

Speaker 3 (04:48):
So I'm keen to hear your thoughts. Have always said
we need to upgrade the Furies. We do need a
reliable service across the Cook Strait. I understand why the
government decided to scrap the old plan, but the pressure
is now on for them to show us that they
have a way forward. So keen to hear from you.
Ninety two ninety two is the number two text and
as I mentioned, Duncan Roy, the Inter Islander General Manager,

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is with me. Next you're with News Talks EDB. It
is twelve past nine.

Speaker 2 (05:15):
There's no better way to start your Sunday.

Speaker 1 (05:18):
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Speaker 3 (05:27):
Good to have you with us. It is a fourteen
past nine into Islander theory that Araterri has been successfully refloated,
the ship run ground and picked in harbor on Friday night.
Reigniting frustrations are the key we Rail's aging fleet. Duncan
Roy is the Inter Islander General Manager and he's with
me now. Good morning, Duncan.

Speaker 4 (05:46):
Morning Francesca.

Speaker 3 (05:47):
Let's start with the good news at terry has been refloated.
Talk us through how that went.

Speaker 4 (05:53):
So it was a good night for a lot of
parties last night. We successfully got a terry back on
the water. It was a really complex operation and we
had a lot of agencies working to Yeah, they're very
professionally to do it. So we had obviously Enter Islander,
but there was Maritime New Zealand Ports and Marlburn, New
Zealand Harbourmaster, the crew of everybody, the tug operations, the

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pilots for the harbor all work together to successfully get
Orati back on the water.

Speaker 3 (06:23):
Good to hear it. Do you have any indication of
how much damage there is to the ship?

Speaker 4 (06:27):
Very little damage. We've got divers on it this morning.
We immediately tested the lower tanks. They were all dry.
Ship is watertight and we're putting divers down again today
to confirm. But it looks in good condition.

Speaker 3 (06:40):
Okay, so it has been put into detention and picton
is that right?

Speaker 4 (06:46):
No, that's not right. It's an anchorage at the moment.
The first thing we have to do is we have
to stabilize the ferry. So ships have a lot of
weight in certain positions to make them stable. And you
can imagine we moved a lot of weight to the
rear of the ship to make the front as light
as possible to pull it off the shore. And now
we're in the process of fulling tanks at the front

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to moving freight around to make sure she's stable again.
Once it's stable, we'll bring it into port. We'll continue
to go through our processes and then we have Maritime
New Zealand and the Transport Exit Investigation Commission that will
be coming on and starting their investigation.

Speaker 3 (07:21):
Okay, so do you have any idea how long it
might be out of action?

Speaker 4 (07:25):
Now we'll work through with MNZ and Transport Exit Investigation.
It's under its own stem now. It was moving around,
so it's about us working with them as they go
through their process.

Speaker 3 (07:38):
What kind of disruption is this going to cause? Do
you have the resources to cover the oratory while it's
out of action.

Speaker 4 (07:44):
So we've got the Kaentucky working and we have a
kiarity and maintenance at the moment, so we've got processes
for this. We'll be working with our customers and working
with Bluebridge. We have an arrangement with them when these
things happen to do the best we can for our
customers to get them across Cook Street straight. We know
how important it is.

Speaker 3 (08:03):
So duncan what happens? Do we know anything further about
what happened?

Speaker 4 (08:08):
All right? Now? We have, as I said, two investigations going,
so we're not going to speculate. That doesn't help the
investigations do their job. But I'm sure once those go through,
we'll have the facts and we'll know exactly what happened.

Speaker 3 (08:19):
This must be very frustrating for you because of course
maintenance has just been done on the ship. Did something
go wrong in this process all the right checks and
processes in place.

Speaker 4 (08:29):
Well, that's part of the investigation. We do have a
very heavy maintenance rogiet. We just spent some money on
the RATERIRI replacing a number of systems. But we'll better
be part of investigation and see how this occurred. But
every time we do maintenance, there is a rigorous process
to bring the ship back into operations, including the specialists

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who do the work. We have signed off by external
parties and then we do our own sea trials and
the Oratia had been operating from a number of weeks
with that problem. But I said all part of investigation.
There'll be some really deep investigation going on.

Speaker 3 (09:05):
How do you feel about the Transport Minister saying he's
disappointed with the state, with the state of asset management
from Kiwi Rail.

Speaker 4 (09:13):
That's the question for the Transport minister. I know we
have in the last twelve months implemented a really intensive
maintenance program. We've put new people on, we've increased the resources,
We've taken our ships off and they reduced the number
of crossings to spend more time on them. And for
the six months prior to this we had we had
good reliability. We're running at ninety nine point six percent.

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So we will get through this. We'll pivot and we
have confidence in the intense maintenance regime that were put
in place in the last twelve month and I have
confidence that that is heading in the right direction.

Speaker 3 (09:45):
Duncan Maritime New Zealand was also under fire from the minister.
Have you reached their standards of maintenance?

Speaker 4 (09:53):
Well, Maritime New Zealand is our regulator, so they the
ones that ordered us, so yes, they sign us off
to operate.

Speaker 3 (10:00):
The government has of course scrapped the megafory plan. They
are committed to new vessels. How quickly do you want
to know what direction they're.

Speaker 4 (10:07):
Going to take right now? And I'm focused on the
operating of the current fleet. I know there is a
lot of decisions being made and a lot of information
being processed by our shareholder and the Ministry Advisory Group.
Our job is to do the day to day operating
of the ferry, and when they make decisions, we will
pivot to that and put that into operation.

Speaker 3 (10:27):
Do you have confidence that the government will come up
with a plan that will future proof the safety and
resilience of the cockstrate service.

Speaker 4 (10:34):
I think everybody knows just how important cockstraight is and
we know that it's the life statehoo one. Between our
two countries, we move sixteen billion dollars worth of freight
every year, one hundreds of thousands of New Zealanders going
about their place. So I have confidence that there'll be
a fall in the resilient corkstrate ferry service going forward.

Speaker 3 (10:51):
So realistically, how long can we keep this aging fleet
in working order?

Speaker 4 (10:57):
Our current fleet is non operations We've bought in an
international maritime expert company and I'll be briefing the board
and the Minister about our plans for the future for
the current fleet and that will when and we're confident
we can keep it going.

Speaker 5 (11:16):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (11:16):
Look, there was a report in the Herald recently just
talking about their increased cost over maintaining these fleets. Is
that cost going to keep increasing?

Speaker 4 (11:25):
So that number was inaccurate, but it is fair to
say that as any complex asset and piece of machinery ages,
the cost of maintenance increases. And we've made it with
factive at into what we're our plans.

Speaker 3 (11:38):
Duncan, what do you say to those businesses that use
the theories for freight services? Can they be confident their needs?
Will we meet well?

Speaker 4 (11:46):
We raaluye our customers. They get a choice and we
know that the most important part of what we do
after safety, and we're working really hard to give them
a reliable and safe service that they can trust.

Speaker 3 (11:57):
Is there actually anything on the ship at the moment
that needs to come off in a hurry? Duncan, do
you know when you'll be able to unload?

Speaker 4 (12:04):
No, there's nothing on that need come off in a
hurry and we'll go through that process once we get
it and thurned.

Speaker 3 (12:10):
And it's been a very busy couple of days for you.
Very much appreciate you talking to us this morning. Thanks Duncan,
Thanks Francisca, have a good thank you. That was Duncan Roy,
the Inter Islander General Manager. He is with me now
we're going to take a quick break then we're going
to be back hopefully worth Greg Feek of course, the
Blues assistance coach, who I imagine had a pretty good

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night last night. It is twenty two past nine Newstalks EB.

Speaker 1 (12:40):
It's the Sunday session with Francesca Rudkin on news Talks
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Speaker 3 (12:46):
Thank you for your text. Dave got in touch to
say the inter Islander has become a political football. For
well over ten years Kei we Rail tried to modernize
so it could maintain State Highway one for the next
thirty years. This is ultimately the fault of multiple governments
over the years. Now this problem has passed on to
the crew and management of the Endi Islander. I feel
sorry for Duncan Roy as the GM trying to manage

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poor equipment. Another one here, there is a reliable ferry
service across Cook Strait. It's called Bluebridge and runs without
tax payers money. Very good point. And why is it
the key we ran and other companies cannot learn to
manage their finances instead of always wanting a hand out
yet again from the government. If my homework car needs repairs,
I don't ask the government. I put money away for

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this kind of thing. Thank you for your thoughts. We'll
go to all politics now joining me, we have got
news talk ZB Political editor Jason Woolms, good morning.

Speaker 6 (13:35):
Good morning, good morning.

Speaker 3 (13:37):
Let's start with the positive when it comes to the
Prime Minister's trip to Japan, and that is what we
should be focusing on. The ambition was to strengthen both
economic and security ties.

Speaker 7 (13:46):
What was achieved, Oh well, starting with the latter, I
mean you would say that security ties definitely were strengthened.
Right at the end of the trip, he had a
meeting with Prime Minister Fumio Kashita in his Prime Ministerial
residence where that's exactly what they did. They signed an
information sharing Agreement Information rather Sharing Agreement which basically gives

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each country access to each of the other countries various
different intelligence various intelligence essentially is what it is now.
We don't know a whole lot about it. We didn't
get to ask Chris lux and many questions before we
got onto the plane to go back to New Zealand.
But it was something that was actually set up by
Jacinda Ardern when she went to visit the Japanese PM

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back in twenty twenty two, and the Prime Minister going
over there to sign it off essentially just bookended that
and meant that it was something that had been now
been thought out and now had been signed into the
respective relationships between the two countries. And it came exactly
at the same time that Vladimir Putin was in pyeong
Yang talking to Kim Jong un, and of course that

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represents a major threat for the Western alliances and what
they were talking about in terms of various different nuclear
and ballistic weapons conversations that they were having, So the
security ties come at a very important time. However, I
doubt that Putin and Kim Jong own were over there
quaking in their boots knowing that New Zealand now had

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a little bit more information about what was happening in
South Korea a North Korea.

Speaker 3 (15:18):
Rather, did you get the chance to talk to the
business leaders who headed to Japan. How did they feel
about the trip? Are they feeling positive about the outcomes?

Speaker 2 (15:27):
Oh?

Speaker 7 (15:27):
Yeah, you know, like just being there is quite good
for them. They get to be able to meet with
some prospective clients and being on a trip like that
with the Prime Minister does tend to open quite a
few doors for them. During this trip, there were a
few deals that were made in terms of so Peter
Beck he did a deal with a Japanese company which
to have a ten launch exclusive deal to get there

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satellites into space. However, I will note that would have
happened whether or not the Prime Minister was there. It
was just happened that he was there at the time
for this announcement to happen and got up at the
launch to say a few words. So it's not like
these things wouldn't have happened if the Prime Minister was there.
And I think, somewhat ironically, it's better for smaller quote

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unquote Sea list companies to be with the Prime Minister
because they're the ones that usually wouldn't get a look
in when it comes to regular business dealings. But being
there with the Prime Minister it. It would actually open quite
a few doors. And the bigger companies such as A
and Z and Rocket Lab, you know, they can do
these things without the Prime Minister.

Speaker 3 (16:31):
All right, so let's deal with this. The Sea liist comment,
it was a little unnecessary. I think if you're doing
a better job than your predecessor, you don't need to
run them down. You just need to talk about the
good work you're doing. And it's a shame that the
Prime Minister ended up in a distraction of his own making.

Speaker 6 (16:46):
Oh it's very much a shame that that happened.

Speaker 7 (16:49):
And for context, he did a round of pre interview
trips with various different media and he was talking to
me on Friday where he said I basically asked him
that very same question. I was like, why do you
need such a good caliber business delegation? They can kind
of do these things by themselves. And that's where he
made the C list comments. And then after I reported that,
it went all far and right across New Zealand and

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basically a lot of people saying that it was very
disparaging to the former business delegations. A lot of them
included the same people or the same organizations that were
there with them on this trip. I mean, you think
of the likes of Fonterra that was on both trips
with Jasinda Ardern and with Chris Luxon and last time
actually it was their CEO that came along. So it's
not exactly correct, and it's not exactly a very good

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look for a prime minister to be saying these things saying.
He also said there were tag alongs and watered down,
so he didn't win any brownie points in the business
community for saying those sorts of things.

Speaker 6 (17:43):
I would say, should.

Speaker 3 (17:44):
We just buy a new plane, Jason, would you appreciate that?

Speaker 5 (17:48):
You know?

Speaker 7 (17:49):
I mean I have, and listen, I don't want to
sound like I'm being bought by the Defense Force here,
but I do have some sympathy for the plight of
old Betty.

Speaker 6 (17:57):
Is what we call her, the Defense.

Speaker 7 (17:58):
Force plane, in so far as the fact that if
it breaks down just as much as normal planes is
what we're told. The problem is that there's not an
one on standby that we can switch quickly switch it
in and out, and that's why this sort of stuff
keeps happening. I mean, you don't want to be driving
or flying on a plane that's got a maintenance error.
But at the same time, we can't have a fleet

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of planes that fly behind the Prime Minister. I mean
that happened when we went to China last year with
Chris Hipkins.

Speaker 6 (18:23):
There was a contingency.

Speaker 7 (18:25):
Plane that flew alongside this one, and then Chris Hipkins
got a whole bunch of trouble by Chris Luxon.

Speaker 6 (18:31):
Who said it was a waste of money.

Speaker 7 (18:32):
So you know, I think it's probably time that we
do look at upgrading. I mean, the problem that the
government has is that it would be spending money on
something that is seen as a luxury at a time
of a cost of living crisis. But when the plane
breaking down is on the front page of the Herald
every time it happens, you'd have to start asking some
of those questions. But as I understand it, the Prime Minister,

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we'll be looking to utilize commercial options going forward when
it comes to going overseas, and that means that US
media usually we get to go in the defense force
plane get invoiced for that, but it's not as much
as it would be for a commercial option. So there
are some trade offs there because it means that some
of the smaller outlets might not be able to afford it,

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So there are some real things to consider there.

Speaker 3 (19:18):
Glad you made at home in one piece. Stayson Walls,
thank you so much for your time this morning. That
was Newstalk's He'd be Political.

Speaker 2 (19:23):
Editor the Sunday session.

Speaker 3 (19:27):
Ohrighty, Blues fans, it has been a while.

Speaker 8 (19:32):
Blues lot to regather like ceck it. They cck it backwards.
It's gonna go over the line, Blues hates. I love
to hear these words again. The Blues I super rugby
campion for the first time in twenty one years.

Speaker 6 (19:46):
They don't blocks the change.

Speaker 8 (19:47):
Send that the final forty one ten.

Speaker 3 (19:51):
And what a comprehensive when too. We were hoping to
have the Blues assistant coach, Greek Feek with us on
the show. My first question to him was going to
be how did celebrations go last night?

Speaker 5 (20:02):
Greek?

Speaker 3 (20:02):
And I'm going to answer that question for him since
he's a no show and say pretty good. They went
really well. But look, when you can't get Greg Fick,
you go to the next best thing, which is rugby commentator,
the man that called the game last night News Talks.
He'd bees Elliott Smith good morning.

Speaker 8 (20:18):
Good morning, Francis. I'm not surprised that Greg hadn't come
to the focus to wanting. Just judging by some of
the celebrations that we saw beginning last night, it sounded
like it was going to be a big night, and
why not. You know, you don't win a Super Rugby
title for the every day and you certainly Blues fans
know that better than anyone else that has been twenty
one long years since doing so.

Speaker 3 (20:38):
How were the team after the word Elliott?

Speaker 8 (20:40):
Oh, jubilant? Absolutely, I mean as you'd expect them to be.
And all that hard work from the season paid off
for them obviously, and adapting to a new game plan.
There's been big for the Blues this year, the way
that Vancoda wants them to play, and certainly not the
star that was become accustomed to from the Blues and

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their entire history. To be honest, they've always been the flamboyant,
the flea team in Super Rugby. I think they had
to loss and a penny and Joe Rockatoka, but other
players through the years have had plenty of fleet. This
time it's just been built on full dominance and a
very sort of South African style as they of rugby,
but it's worked for the Blues. It's converted them into
Super Rugby champions and you know, they were very very

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happy and Patrick two for lot too mannered a match
after getting through fifty seven minutes on a knee injury
that he wasn't expected to be back for another few
weeks from He you know, was pretty emotional in the
media conference afterwards because he's been here right through the
tough times that the franchise has endured. You know, I
think back a few years ago the Laughing Sock of
Super Rugby. Though the worst New Zealand team by quite

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some distance, they couldn't keep up with, you know, the Crusaders,
the Chiefs, the Hurricanes and even the Handers at that
points in their existence and had really fallen off the radar.
But they've rebuilt really well and that's the reward they
got last night.

Speaker 3 (21:57):
Okay, a couple of things from what you just said there.
You know, we've always sort of thought about the Blues
being about the backs, but this year they had been
so much about the Fords, haven't they.

Speaker 8 (22:06):
They have and it's been quite impressive to see, you know,
some of these players almost reinvent themselves, you know, off
the song the Fastest, played nine one hundred and fifty
Super Rugby games, but this would be his best season
in my mind. He's become well, he's always been a
good scrummager, but this time he's really built into a weapon.
He scored six tries this season. Yes a lot of
them are close. He didn't have to do much but

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fall over the line, or so he said to me
earlier on in the week. But that takes, you know,
a mindset shift in at salf Patrick twop a lot too,
has always been a great leader around this team, but
he seems to have grown as a player this year.
And then the likes of Hoskins to Tuto and Aikiri
u Won who had dumped out of All Blacks reckoning
last year, have changed their playing type as well. So

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it's been built around that. And for so long, you know,
the question has been well the Blues or the back
do they have the forwards and the forwards would disintegrate
when that question was asked. Well, this year it's been
anything button. It's been built on that platform that the
forwards have built and you know, offer to long and fast.
As I said, said to me during the week. It's
probably the simplest plan he's ever paid for the Blues.
But it's paid dividend, isn't.

Speaker 3 (23:09):
It certainly has? How big is this for Aukland rugby?
Could we be witnessing the start of a new dynasty
for the Blues?

Speaker 9 (23:16):
Oh?

Speaker 4 (23:16):
Quite possibly.

Speaker 8 (23:17):
You know, he've been cod in his first season in charges,
has won the title. They're probably only going to lose
minimal players for it for next season. The kidder Yuanni
is one of them. There's a couple of other players
that are going to go to other than New Zealand
franchises my understanding, and they'll get some other players back in,
you know. But they've got a good nutilest of players
and they're still relatively young. Is that the remarkable thing.

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He's a lot of those players, you know. Sam Dowry
feels like he's been around for a few years now,
still in his early twenties. Patrick Tepe lot too, in
his early thirties, but he's still got another few good
years of rugby. And in Hoskins two who's still very
very young as well, other players still sort of in
their mid twenties. So this could be possibly the start
of something really special for the Blues. But the key,
you know, we still the Crusaders have a very long dynasty,

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is not being satisfied with one and in breaking that drought,
but doing it year after year after year.

Speaker 3 (24:08):
Very exciting. Now, of course, super rug we go tech
now because tomorrow we're going to have the All Black
squad named about five point thirty PM. I do believe,
are you? I am presuming that the All Black selectors
would have finalized their squad before last night. Could performances
last night have made any difference?

Speaker 4 (24:26):
I think so.

Speaker 8 (24:27):
Look, I think there would have been perhaps some brackets
and that squad that they might have looked at. I
know large that was probably locked in. But I think
back to last year when funnily enough, the Blues got
disintegrated by the Crusaders in the semi final and some
players there hostin Tinsutu and the kidd and you only
basically played themselves out of all Blacks jerseys or all
Blacks of beans juseys. So I think there'll be some

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players last night that may have consolidated their place if there.

Speaker 4 (24:53):
Was a question mark over it.

Speaker 8 (24:54):
I think there'll be normal question marks on the basis
of what the Blues are able to do last night.
And the tough thing for the chief is that some
of those players that maybe were on the custom of
selection possibly I don't want to play their way out
of selection, but they just didn't get a chance to
play the aa in last night. The Blues were so
dominant that the Chiefs just didn't give a look in
the game and therefore some of those players just couldn't

(25:17):
put their best footboard in terms of well both the
game but also All Black selections. So and maybe that
the Blues. If you're tossing up between one of the
two players Blues or Chiefs players, the Blues might get
the teck on the basis of what we saw last
night when it comes to the Super Rugby. Sorry the
All Black selections.

Speaker 3 (25:31):
Thanks so much Elliott Smith, and we'll be looking forward
to Elliott's thoughts on the announcement. You can catch the
All Black squad naming live that's going to be on
in z R Plus and the Breakdown on sky Sport
New Zealand from five thirty pm on Monday, the twenty
fourth of June. Of course, we'll be covering it here
on Newstalk ZB it is twenty two past nine. You're
with news Talk zb.

Speaker 1 (25:52):
Sunday with Style the Sunday Session with Francesca Rudkin and
Wiggles for the best selection of Greg Reeds News Talks,
Hebb and Bobby.

Speaker 3 (26:12):
During the twenty second nineteen sixty four. Sixty years ago
this weekend, beatle Mania hit New Zealand. The Beatles played
sold out shows in Wellington, Auckland and Eden and christ
Which in their only visit to New Zealand. A very
comprehensive new book has been released for the anniversary. It's
called When We Was Fab Inside the Beatles Australasian Tour.

(26:32):
Gisban Born, UK based rock historian Andy Neil is one
of the authors and he is with me now.

Speaker 10 (26:38):
Good morning, Good morning, Francesca.

Speaker 3 (26:41):
How big was this tour for New Zealand at the time.

Speaker 10 (26:45):
Well, where do we start? It was massive. There had
been rock and pop tours to New Zealand before this,
but the Beatles was just totally unprecedented, just in terms
of the amount of organization or should I say the
lack of organization before it, because nobody really knew what
to expect and so when they arrived it caught so

(27:06):
many people unawares, not just like the tour organizers, but
the police, city councilors and even the public. Nobody expected
the crowds that gathered wherever they went.

Speaker 3 (27:18):
Because the authorities in the police completely underestimated what it
was going to be. Pureity wise, there just wasn't enough
in place, was there.

Speaker 10 (27:27):
No, there wasn't. I mean you know that. There was
a famous anecdote which we repeat in the book, when
the Beatles were about four or five days into the
tour and they couldn't work out why there was inadequate
police protection, not so much for themselves but just for
the public to stop the public from falling under cars
and getting trampled, et cetera. So they asked one of

(27:49):
the reporters saying, you know, does this happen to you
all the time? Were you coming and out of buildings
and you're getting mobbed and torn to bits? And George
apparently said, well, we told your police that there were
going to be crowds and there were going to be
scenes like this, And the police commissioner said, you don't
have to talk to us about crowd control. We've had
vera lynn through here.

Speaker 3 (28:10):
Sorry. The hysteria I mean, it was like unlike anything
we've ever seen, really, wasn't it.

Speaker 10 (28:19):
It was, and I don't think you've ever seen it since.
You know, this was this new force that was coming
over from from the other side of the world, this
new pop force that it wasn't only just the music,
which of course was extremely fresh and original and vital,
but it was also the look. You know, these guys
were the scandalously long hair, which seems ludicrous now it

(28:40):
was quite short by comparison, but it was it was
this whole the fashion, the suits, the boots, it was
all part of this package, and it was a sort
of a you know, the Beatles were the crest of
this new force that was pretty much the start of
the sixties if you like, you know, because the early
sixties was still like a hangover from the fifties and

(29:00):
New Zealand was under Keith Holyoaks stewardship and it was
a pretty it was a safetime, but it was a
pretty dull time. But the Beatles sort of was this
new emerging thing that totally swept the board and signaled
a new era. And of course it led to what
happened in the late sixties with Woodstock and that, you know,
the counterculture and the festivals. So really this was the

(29:23):
start of it.

Speaker 3 (29:24):
There was also a sort of moral panic around it,
which is quite funny given the pop stars our kids
are listening to these days, that's right.

Speaker 10 (29:32):
I mean again, parents and authorities didn't know what to expect.
And when my co author Greg Armstrong and myself were
going through all the papers and we were.

Speaker 5 (29:43):
Just looking for Beatle stories.

Speaker 10 (29:44):
We were looking for the Beatle stories that were relating
to society at the time, and there was this sort
of like almost moral panic about you know, especially when
the tickets went on sale.

Speaker 5 (29:55):
These kids.

Speaker 10 (29:56):
You know, nowadays, you know, everyone just sits at home
on a computer and hits the refresh button. In those days,
kids was sort of queuing up on the footpaths overnight
for up to three days at a time to try
and get tickets to the shows, which was unheard of,
and so you know, there was this sort of like
question about what's happening to our kids. You know, we've
never seen them react like this before. And it really

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was this epidemic that just swept everybody, everybody and everything
before it.

Speaker 3 (30:22):
What did this tour do for the music industry here
in New Zealand. Did it have a lasting impact.

Speaker 10 (30:28):
Very much, so it completely kickstarted. I mean there'd been
a local New Zealand music industry, a rock and roll
and pop since the mid fifties, but the Beatles example
was revolutionary in the fact that it inspired so many
bands to sort of use that model that the Beatles

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had presented as a blueprint for their own careers. So,
you know, you had bands like for example, Ray Columbus,
Ray Columbus and the Invaders had come up from Christchurch
based themselves in Auckland, and I actually interviewed one of
the guitar players while he Russell, and he said that
we couldn't go to the Beatles shows because we were
a working band and we had a gig that night.
But during the day we went up to the Auckland

(31:11):
Town Hall and we saw their guitars and we went
and bought a set of We went to a local
music shop and imported the very same guitars that John
Lennon and George Harrison were playing, you know. So it
had that effect, and other bands followed, Max Meriton, the Meteors,
and then of course singers like Dinah Lee, you know,

(31:31):
it all started, this industry that carried on right through
you know, the Lardie Dars, Larry's Rebels, etc. And you know,
they were the ultimate blueprint to follow.

Speaker 3 (31:42):
Ringo start almost didn't make it to New Zealand. In fact,
he didn't play in Australia.

Speaker 10 (31:48):
That's right, he didn't. He missed the start of the tour. Literally,
you couldn't make this up. Talk about drama. That the
day before they were due to fly and start the
tour in Denmark because they played some shows in Europe
and then they sort of headed out to the South Pacific.
They went to Denmark and Amsterdam with a stand in
dramma that they had to hire at very short notice,

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a guy called Jimmy Nickel, who's sort of like the
mystery man of the whole piece. He's just vanished into obscurity.
No one even knows if he's still with us. He
was literally hired at the last minute to debt for
Ringo and because there was no guarantee when Ringo would
be able to rejoin because he was under doctor's orders.
So by the time they got to Hong Kong, which

(32:31):
was a couple of shows that were added on the way,
Jimmy Nichol was still in place, and when they got
to Australia he was still there. So there was probably
a lot of anxious kiwis wondering, you know, would we
see Ringo? But luckily Ringo was well enough to rejoin
the tour in Melbourne. So from Melbourne onwards they played Melbourne,
Sydney and then they got to New Zealand and Ringo

(32:53):
was back in. And not only was Ringo back in,
but he was back singing because when he was first,
when he first rejoined the tour, he couldn't sing because
the doctors had told them. I had told him you
must rest your throat because he had tom Soliders. So
the Wellington Hall shows were unique because the set list
was back up to eleven songs and Ringos They're singing
boys showcase the first album amazing.

Speaker 3 (33:14):
Thank you so much, Andy, you appreciate your time this morning.
The book is called When We Was Fab Inside the
Beatles Australation Tour. It is very comprehensive. If you are
a Beatles fan, you remember that or you want to
relive it. I'll tell you what it is all in there.
Every little bit of information and everything is in there.
It is fabulous. I'm really key to hear your stories
too about whether you saw the Beatles in a way,

(33:36):
it's quite incredible that they even made it to New Zealand,
of course just that one tour, so love to hear
your stories as well. It is twelve to ten News Talks.

Speaker 10 (33:44):
He'd be.

Speaker 1 (33:47):
Putting the tough questions to the newspeakers. The mic asking.

Speaker 11 (33:50):
Breakfast Finance Minister Nicola Willis is will us.

Speaker 12 (33:53):
What we are seeing in our forecast is that this
is kind of what there is is banks if they
were engineering, if they wanted to see the slowdown, well
this is a slowdown and what we want to see
is productive growth coming back to the economy.

Speaker 11 (34:07):
What you've just outlined a big picture things you're asking
New Zealander is to endure a very long period of
very difficult times.

Speaker 12 (34:15):
I'm also delivering things this year. I think it is
really important that tax reduction is coming at the end
of July. That is sunlight and what would otherwise be
a very challenging winter.

Speaker 11 (34:24):
Back tomorrow at six am the Mike Hosking Breakfast with
Jaguine News Talk SEDB Grab Recover.

Speaker 1 (34:30):
It's the Sunday session with Francesca Rudkin and Wikeles for
the best selection of great breads used talk sed Be.

Speaker 3 (34:42):
Shah has been in Touched Good Morning. I traveled from
Funginoi to the Beatles concert in Wellington. It was amazing
and chaotic the street, the screaming was deafening, security and
police stopping girls storming the stage and unbelievable moment in time.
I still have my first Beatles lp Ble nineteen sixty three.
I'm seventy seven now and saw the Small Faces, Yardbirds

(35:04):
and the Rolling Stones all in Wellington. Had an awesome
time in the Swinging sixty Thank you so much for
your text. My mother met a couple of the Beatles.
She was in her first year at wah kind of
met them. She was in her first year at Canterbury
University and there was an international students conference and she
was a volunteer making sure all the overseas students were

(35:26):
okay and taking them where they needed to be. And
she went to the Clarendon Hotel to pick up a
couple of Nigerians and she found herself in a lift
with George and Paul, and she was so overcome that
she was speechless. Couldn't say word, couldn't ask for an autograph,
couldn't say hello, couldn't do anything beside herself. But she'll

(35:47):
remember that till the day she dies. Love to hear
your stories if you went to one of the concerts.
Ninety two. Ninety two is the text i'd said before.
It hasn't been a good week for our asset maintenance
has what could possibly happen next? And Sally's been in
touch to say that actually there was a huge power
outage Coramandel, Thames and the whole Hlachy planes has no
power transpar Is saying that it's a transformer tripped at

(36:10):
eight forty five am. They don't know how long it's
going to take to get up and running. Local Facebook
pages are showing how huge the area impacted in must
be a serious trip to take out such a huge
amount of towns. Thank you Sally for the update. And
another one here from Claire Francisca came across as baiting
Duncan Roy in an attempt to criticize the minister in the
government and the circumstances and so early in the piece,

(36:30):
why did you find it necessary to do that? What
actually clear? We covered off where we were at, we
covered off the refloat where we're at moving forward. Basically, yes,
they've known. The transport manager did spend most of his
time talking about how disappointed and concerned he was at
the maintenance of assets that can we Rail look after.
So basically I was just giving Duncan a chance to reply.

(36:50):
Obviously he's far too diplomatic to tell us, probably how
frustrated they are with the vessels which they were really
hoping to be replaced in twenty twenty six. So that
was all I was doing, giving him an opportunity to
respond while most of the fingers were pointed at them.
But fair call. Thank you for your tim It is
six to ten news Talks FB.

Speaker 2 (37:10):
Deep it simple, It's Sunday, the Sunday.

Speaker 1 (37:12):
Session with Francesca Rudkin and Wiggles for the best selection
of Gray Reeds News Talks.

Speaker 3 (37:18):
MB Allison texts to say that, yes, fifteen year old
me was at one of the Dunedin concerts right up front.
This is the Beatles, right up front by the row
of cops, more or less in front of John Lennon.
Truly unforgettable night. I imagine at age fifteen, Alison, that
was just life changing. And you may or may not agree,
but it's probably similar for some fifteen year olds who

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were right in front of Taylor Swift in twenty twenty four.
Right Fredjisca, my boyfriend at the time, drove the Beatles
from Wellington Airport at the Saint George Hotel and a
holden Ute loaned by Manthel menthel Menthel Motors. Apologies, I
got that wrong. Where he worked. He features in all
the photos of the Beatles standing in the back of

(38:01):
the car we went to the concert. Thank you so much, Tresha.
Thank you for your memories and your thoughts as well.
This coming up Afternoons and sports Captain Captain Sandy Yawn
from the popular show Below Deck Mediterranean joins us to
talk about how she became a super yacht captain, backing
those beasts of a super yacht into births and dealing

(38:22):
with the rich and famous. And we're going to finish
the album some new music from Gracie Abrams. She released
her new album The Secret of Us on Friday. This
is close to you Star.

Speaker 1 (39:09):
Welcome to the Sunday Session with Francesca Rudkin and Wiggles
for the best selection of great reeds used talkset be.

Speaker 3 (39:25):
Welcome to the Sunday session. Great to have you with us.
I'm Francisca Budkin with you until mid day to day now.
I don't know about you, but cruising the Mediterranean aboard
a luxury super yacht sounds like a dream holiday to me.
But for Captain Sandy Yawn, it's just a day's work.
Captain Sandy is the skipper and one of the stars
of the hugely popular reality show Below Deck Mediterranean. Sandy

(39:46):
and her crew host the rich and famous on board
the yacht sailing the Mediterranean season, experiencing the best the
region has to offer. Season nine of Below Deck Mediterranean
is out now on Hey you. Captain Sandy Yawn is
here in New Zealand and has kindly come into the studio.
Good morning, thanks for having me.

Speaker 13 (40:04):
I love your country. From what I seen by the
airplane and the landing, I've been in the buildings.

Speaker 14 (40:10):
I would love to see it.

Speaker 3 (40:11):
They haven't given you that. They're not They're not giving
you any time to take to the water here.

Speaker 14 (40:16):
You know, I'm here for a reason. Yeah, so I
knew that.

Speaker 3 (40:20):
And as you can tell from walking around this building,
this show is really loved, isn't it.

Speaker 14 (40:25):
Absolutely?

Speaker 3 (40:26):
Yes.

Speaker 13 (40:27):
Every time I go somewhere that I haven't been and
I meet people and I see how happy they are,
it just says to me, Wow, keep doing what you're doing,
because you're doing a good job.

Speaker 9 (40:36):
Now.

Speaker 3 (40:37):
The Gorgeous This particular series features the gorgeous Asia, who
is a KIWI Chief Stewart. Have you worked with a
lot of.

Speaker 13 (40:44):
Kiwi's I have in the past before below Deck, I've
always had Kiwi Australian, a multi nationality crew, so it's
kind of cool. It's like United Nations on board.

Speaker 3 (40:55):
Are the keyw Wei's good to work with?

Speaker 4 (40:56):
Yes?

Speaker 14 (40:57):
Absolutely, you know most people are.

Speaker 13 (40:59):
They're there because they have a you know, they're adventurous,
they want to you know, journey across the world.

Speaker 14 (41:04):
And some don't want to work hard. Some do work hard.

Speaker 13 (41:08):
So that's that's the line there, like, Okay, great people,
but I need you to really work.

Speaker 14 (41:13):
Asia is a hard worker. Most Kiwis are.

Speaker 3 (41:17):
Is the crew that appears on the show. The only
crew on board.

Speaker 13 (41:22):
No, there are engineers you don't see, well you do.
We introduce them at the beginning of the show, and
then there's a first officer.

Speaker 3 (41:29):
Because I did laugh. We sort of saw the engineers
and then they disappear, and I wanted it was because
whether they just didn't really they were busy, or they
didn't want to be on it.

Speaker 13 (41:37):
No, because they cast you know, us for the show.
But the engineers, most of them, they're engineers for a reason.
They like staying in their engineering environment. Some have the
personalities where they don't mind being on camera.

Speaker 3 (41:52):
It is a lot of work, isn't it running a superyard.

Speaker 13 (41:56):
Yes, it's a lot of work, absolutely, but it's worth it.
So yes, you got to work hard, play hard. You
get the perks you get. You count that cash at
the end of the season.

Speaker 14 (42:05):
It's worth it.

Speaker 3 (42:07):
What is the most ridiculous thing a guest has asked
of you and the team?

Speaker 13 (42:12):
You know, I don't look at it as a ridiculous request.
I look at it as that's their expectation. If we
can do it, great, If we can't, then we don't.
So we rarely say no, we can't do it. It's
rare and we just dangle the carrot over here. But
we could do this.

Speaker 14 (42:31):
It works. It's like Hollywood set ready.

Speaker 3 (42:34):
Is there an expectation that was a struggle to meet.

Speaker 13 (42:40):
Sometimes taking the boat off the dock. I think their
expectation and I don't blame them. They pay money, they
get on board, they want to leave the dock, and
I go, sorry, we can't. So then the crew have
to work really hard to figure out what to do
on shore. I would think that would be the biggest disappointment.

Speaker 3 (42:57):
The guests are they multimillionaires? Billionaires? Are they? They're up there,
aren't they?

Speaker 5 (43:04):
Yeah?

Speaker 13 (43:05):
So before deck usually one person charters and we they
bring their friends. So in my career you're like shoulder
to shoulder with billionaires. I work for billionaires. That's who
hire me. I think our our series is yes, they
they have the means, but I think it's a different,

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different level.

Speaker 3 (43:27):
What do I like to whipful?

Speaker 14 (43:29):
Say that again?

Speaker 13 (43:30):
All the people that I worked before believe that incredible,
just great people, every one of them. They run businesses.
They you know, they didn't get to that success without
knowing how to you know, take care of their people.
So every owner I've ever worked for billionaires have been
you know, I have their cell phone numbers. We were
like family. It's you create that bond. It's pretty cool,

(43:52):
but there is a line there you're there to serve,
but you will always forever be a part of each
other's life because you work for them, you spend time
with them, you spend holidays with them, and that's what.

Speaker 3 (44:07):
Are they like to care for?

Speaker 13 (44:08):
On the old they have an expectation. Yeah, so if
their expectation hasn't met, they come to me, so I
make sure we meet it.

Speaker 3 (44:18):
You're not just the captain, but from what I've seen
of the show, you're also sometimes the crews defect o mother.
How do you find that?

Speaker 13 (44:27):
Well, I don't look at it as being their mom,
but I do look at it as like a coach, right,
So like a football team.

Speaker 14 (44:33):
You just have to rally them.

Speaker 13 (44:35):
You have to, you know, sometimes say hey, you can't
behave that way, but I'm gonna give you another opportunity.
It's about encouraging them and building them up so they
come out and they don't want to disappoint.

Speaker 14 (44:47):
So that's how I look at it.

Speaker 13 (44:48):
Like if it's a parent, they know they're always going
to have that parent, right, But if it's like more
like a coach, they know they could get kicked off
the team.

Speaker 6 (44:56):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (44:57):
No, a coach is a much better description, much better
way of describing it. Is it a transient life for you?

Speaker 13 (45:02):
Yes, it used to be. Now it's a lot less,
which you know. I had a great career before the show.
I have a great career doing the show. And I
you know, we filmed for six weeks, I come home.
I'm not gone for a year.

Speaker 14 (45:18):
Before.

Speaker 13 (45:18):
I used to get two months off a year, but
I was gone all the other you know, all the
other ten months.

Speaker 3 (45:25):
Which is hard. So in a way this show, as
you say, you're six six weeks on and then you
go home and then you come back. Is that how
it kind of works, Yes, consistently throughout it.

Speaker 14 (45:33):
Yeah, you do the press like we're doing now.

Speaker 3 (45:34):
But and congratulations, I believe you got married recently, so
this must be a nice place to be where you're
not away for ten months of the year, much much
easier to have the good relationships and spend time with
friends and family.

Speaker 14 (45:48):
Yes, it was the best day of my life.

Speaker 3 (45:50):
Congratulations. Are there many female captains in the business.

Speaker 13 (45:54):
There are not as many as men, and that's because
women want to have families and have babies. I think
our shows opened up opportunities to show people while their
careers in the industry and to be honest. If you
know they're not ready to have children, then come because
the industry is open for that.

Speaker 3 (46:13):
How did you get into the industry?

Speaker 13 (46:15):
I started washing boats, Yeah, and a guy hired me
and he sent me to sea school.

Speaker 14 (46:20):
That's pretty cool.

Speaker 3 (46:21):
Did you grow up sailing? Did you always want to
be on the water.

Speaker 13 (46:24):
No, we grew up water skiing, So we always went
on the weekends small boats, like very small boats.

Speaker 3 (46:31):
So how do you go? So they send you to
sea school and then how do you end up? I mean,
what sort of the process to get to them?

Speaker 13 (46:37):
So it's just like a pilot. You need hours at sea,
like you know. So we have to accumulate certain amount
of time and we have to maintain that over the years.
So I renewed my license every five years, and with
that I have to retake certified radar class firefighting. There
are certain things you always have to redo. We'll certify in.

Speaker 3 (46:57):
What is it like learning to drive one of those yachts.

Speaker 13 (47:03):
It's fun, it's you know, intimidy, it's challenging, but it's rewarding.

Speaker 14 (47:10):
It's all of that.

Speaker 13 (47:11):
You know, you have to have challenging moments and to
feel the reward, like have you ever done anything and
not that's been hard to do. It's the reward is
the best part.

Speaker 3 (47:22):
Because watching you Boothy got is quite amazing.

Speaker 14 (47:25):
I had a good teacher, right.

Speaker 3 (47:27):
Is it a bit like backing a car for you?

Speaker 5 (47:28):
Now?

Speaker 14 (47:29):
It is? It all depends on the team.

Speaker 3 (47:32):
Well, that's the thing, isn't it. There's only so much
you can.

Speaker 13 (47:34):
But you know, I make sure because I don't hire
the crew, so I make sure that I have an
eye on the side. I stay closer to the side
I can see because I don't trust their distances. So
I just if it's that much room, I'm fine.

Speaker 3 (47:52):
I mean you were just holding up your hands there
you were. That's like what ten sent to me. Yes,
I mean that is not a lot of.

Speaker 13 (47:58):
Rooms, but it's enough, right, so yes, But we have
also fenders so that protects us.

Speaker 3 (48:07):
They are very large though they yachts, haven't they. You've
been part of the Below Deck show since I think
two thy and fifteen. Did you know what you were
getting into? We kind of came to jump in and get.

Speaker 13 (48:19):
Enroved clueless, completely clueless, no idea, had no you know, filming.
I was like, okay, I didn't think it would be
so big and now it's worldwide. I don't care what
country I'm in. People know watch the show. I get
messages from countries you've never heard of before.

Speaker 14 (48:36):
It's crazy.

Speaker 3 (48:38):
It's a pretty great lifestyle. Yeah, you know on the Mediterranean,
I mean it does it? Is there any downsides to it?

Speaker 4 (48:44):
Is?

Speaker 15 (48:44):
It?

Speaker 6 (48:44):
Is?

Speaker 14 (48:45):
It really less money? But I get to be home more.

Speaker 13 (48:50):
You know, the maritime industry offers lucrative careers if you
work hard.

Speaker 3 (48:56):
We're are the best places to cruise in the world.

Speaker 13 (48:58):
I love the Mediterranean, that is my favorite place. I
also think America. I wish they'd do a show there
because the East coasts of the United States is one
of the most beautiful coastlines because it is they have
an intra coastal waterway. And then you go up to
New York's cruise down Long Island Sound and to the
Hampton's over to Newport, which is where all the you know,

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the Astors, the Vanderbilts, all the mansions are. And then
you go to Nantucket, Martha's Vineyard, and around to Boston
and to Maine Booth Bay Harbor.

Speaker 14 (49:29):
These places are spectacular.

Speaker 13 (49:31):
That's where I learn the beginning of my career was
cruising the East coast well sandy.

Speaker 3 (49:36):
You know, people, surely you should be able to have
a chat to sellin and just make a little suggestion
as to where you might like to go next. Maybe
hey you yeah, a few years back now, I believe
you encountered pirates.

Speaker 5 (49:47):
Is that right? Yes?

Speaker 13 (49:48):
So two thousand and seven, yeah, or two thousand and four,
I don't know, it's been a while.

Speaker 3 (49:53):
Does that happen often?

Speaker 14 (49:55):
It does?

Speaker 13 (49:56):
But you know, I was chased by pirates. I was
actually chased by pirates in one more passage. So in
two thousand when I was in the Red Sea, it
was the threat of pirates. We were rescued by warship,
but actually chased by pirates.

Speaker 14 (50:11):
You know, it was a real thing.

Speaker 13 (50:12):
And when word passes between Cuba and Haiti, I called
the coast guard on my telephone. They can digzag my course.
They got into open water and lost the pirates.

Speaker 3 (50:25):
Does that does that concern you? Do you see that
kind of behavior very often where you are? Or is
it pretty it's a pretty safe.

Speaker 14 (50:33):
Uh now where I am.

Speaker 13 (50:34):
It's great, you know, but pirates are thieves at sea.
So people we all load our toys because though you'll
wake up and they're gone.

Speaker 14 (50:41):
Okay, they're still there.

Speaker 13 (50:43):
It's just the level of piracy, you know, are you
robbing a safe, are you robbing a bank?

Speaker 14 (50:49):
Or are you taking FuG off the.

Speaker 3 (50:50):
Back of the out Oh Candy, it's just been a
delight to meet you. Thank you so much for coming in.
Best of luck for the rest of the season. Obviously,
this is season nine, which is out. Now what's the future.

Speaker 13 (51:02):
Hold going home and being with Leah, like staying home
for like a month, which will be really great.

Speaker 14 (51:09):
So that's my future right now.

Speaker 3 (51:11):
Brilliant, Thank you so much. Thanks for having me below
Deck Mediterranean Season nine a screening now on Hey you
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of experience when it comes to being an athlete at
the Olympics and the Commonwealth Games. So how is our
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It'd be no frown.

Speaker 15 (53:02):
Funeral beautiful, her new.

Speaker 3 (53:09):
Comment entertainment time now, and I'm joined by Steve Null,
editor at flicks dot co dot z. Good morning, Good
morning now. Two of probably a couple of our incredibly
successful actors that we sometimes forget about because they spend
so much time working overseas. Carlo Bahn and Anthony Starr
are back in a new season of The Boys.

Speaker 17 (53:30):
Yes, they're each sporting, they're very different accents. Carl's gratuitous
to the point of parody Cockney accent question work and
Anthony Star's very syrupy American accent. In The Boys, which
is our prime videos, very very r rated superhero satire,

(53:53):
feels a little bit like might not get the focus
that deserves these days. Season four's at the midway point,
but the environment's just changed so much from when that
show started. Kicked off in twenty nineteen, which is kind
of the peak of the MCU. The comic book movies
are dominating the box office. Avengers Endgame was just opening,
so this is kind of like the biggest show in town.

(54:15):
The wheels have kind of fallen off that genre quite
a lot in the last few years. I think there's
been a bit of audience fatigue and the quality of
the films as well as was diminished somewhat. But The
Boys has kind of kept going from strength to strength
and in already pleasing development, they have known not to
outstay their welcome. So we're halfway through season four. Season

(54:35):
five will be the last season of the show, which
is great, and it means that these two Keiwis are
going to very much remain at the heart and be
the focus of this conclusion. They won't get subbed out
and the show continue on without them. In fact, the
show runner Eric Kripkey says, speaking of their characters, Billy
Butcher and Homelander, you can't just keep that going on forever.

(54:57):
You have to let them smash into each other. So
we're going to be looking for pretty cool season five.
Season four, as it stands, though, is playing to the
show strengths in that there's definitely like jaw droppingly grotesque
things we can't talk about on the radio at all
even refer to, as well as heaps of violence and profanity.

(55:17):
But also it's just gotten really cutting in its commentary
of current events. This is a show that I keep
seeing on Twitter every now and again, people that are
surprised from America's alt right, that are like, oh, hang
on a minute, the show's taking the mickey out of us,
and they kind of don't twig. This is a merciless show.
If you are a religious zalet or fascist, the show

(55:40):
has got you and its cross hairs. And if it's
taken you four years to figure that out, it's kind
of proving some of the points I think of this show.

Speaker 3 (55:48):
I think you're right, though this show, I don't know.
Is it going to be a bit of a cult classic.
I think it's bigger than that. It's broader than that.
I'm making it sound like it's a It's not quite
as popular as it is, but it's quite amazing to
have two Kiwis driving this hugely popular series.

Speaker 6 (56:05):
Yeah, and especially in.

Speaker 17 (56:06):
Such a boundary pushing and a reverend show. But I
think Star in particular, like Carl's chewing the scenery big time.
But Anthony Starr's looks ridiculous. He's got this like godlike
golden here his superhero Homelander costume. He's the kind of
the number one American Patriot has kind of a vibe

(56:27):
of his character. He's hubristic, he's desperate for love. He's
the most dangerous person on the planet. And we're just
getting to see such great range from Stars a fantastic
actor and given a lot to work with here. Man,
there's so many gross things that he gets involved in
this In this season one episode in particular, he kind

(56:49):
of goes to revisit the origins of his character, and
the turning the tables on the torment that he's suffered
as a child back on the people that experimented on
him is truly chilling, and you know, possibly unexpected to
see such a kind of psychopathic character given some.

Speaker 3 (57:06):
And some depth by Star No both very boys.

Speaker 4 (57:09):
Yeah.

Speaker 17 (57:10):
Halfway through season four, it's on prime video. Episodes come
out weekly. If you've fallen off the show. I kind
of put it on pause a little bit in season three,
forgot about it somehow, and then came back to it
and realized none, this really needs to be on the.

Speaker 3 (57:23):
Rotate inside Out too, which I have been fortunate enough
to see and it is absolutely delightful. Is in cinemas
on the twenty seventh of June, and I think this
is of course in anticipation of the holidays, which are
a couple of weeks away. I think this is going
to be hugely popular. It's wonderful to have inside out back.

Speaker 17 (57:42):
Indeed, I haven't had the chance to catch it yet,
but this sequel to what's already been quite a gargantuine
film for Pixar has opened internationally in some territories and
it's on track to be the biggest film of the
year already at the US box office. It's on track

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to beat June this weekend o the June sequel this
week weekend and sitting all sorts of records look looking
like the second biggest weekend of all time for an
animated film, the seventh biggest second weekend of all time
for any film. So you know, unsurprisingly, like the first one,
it's not just about getting bums on seats but the
word of mouth, and this will continue to be super

(58:23):
strong and keep driving people to cinemas while it's out.

Speaker 3 (58:26):
And we need this because films actually struggled a bit
this year, hasn't it. They haven't quite had the numbers,
made the money that they were hoping to. There's been
some flops like The Fall Guy and things like that
that they were hoping we're going to fill cinemas.

Speaker 17 (58:37):
Yeah, and I think the more the more sort of
pressure that gets put on these titles to deliver. You know,
The Full Guy not an unsuccessful movie, but just short
of expectations. Furious exactly the same thing happened. So you
know every month or so was the sort of hopes
get pinned on a title and it just hasn't quite
been delivering.

Speaker 3 (58:56):
There we go. You've just pinned it on inside out too.

Speaker 17 (58:58):
Not not that we need to worry too much about
billionaires pockets, but you know, a healthy film industry making money.
Lets us all, it's some stuff made that we wouldn't
get if they were penny punching.

Speaker 3 (59:10):
That's so true, Steve Neil, Thank you so much, and
we'll catch up next week.

Speaker 9 (59:13):
Now.

Speaker 3 (59:14):
Love is beautiful, but breakups are hard, and some people
resort to break up album, some people resort to wine.
But what if there was another way to get over
your heartbreak? Well there is. It does require a little zap,
but Dr Michelderkinson tells us all about it next year
on Newstalks EDB twenty nine past ten.

Speaker 1 (59:35):
It's the Sunday Session with Francesca Rudkin on News Talks, EDB.

Speaker 3 (59:41):
And once Again and our Girl. Dr Michelderkinson has found
a fascinating study for US A science study of the
Week for US this week. I love this good morning,
good morning. I love the story LTS. Love trauma syndrome.
It's actually a real thing, clinical thing. You know, if

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you've ever fallen in love and then broken up with
that person who you thought was a person of you,
your dreams, you know that it's gutting and you know
that you can actually fall into a pretty dark place. Well, clinically,
you could be diagnosed or something called love trauma syndrome
and it's you know, it's where you have deep emotional pain, depression, anxiety, insomnium.
I have smooth swings, obsessive thoughts, feeling insecure, helpless, or

(01:00:24):
even feeling guilty that maybe it's your fault that it
broke up and now you're never going to be happy
and you can just spiral down into this horrible, horrible place.
But there's a cure, apparently, and I'm not I'm not
convinced I want this cure. But anyway, so this study
comes with a little kind of catch really.

Speaker 18 (01:00:41):
So this study is in the Journal of Psychiatric Research.
It's open source, go ahead read it. It's a lovely
little paper, and it basically says, look, love is one
of the most wonderful feelings in the world, but heartbreak
when you break up a romantic relationship is probably one
of the worst and most painful feelings you'll ever feel.
And for some people, they can feel it for a
long period of time and it can really affect their life.

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So what they did is they said, I think if
we zap people brains, we might be able to help
them overcome this heartbreak. And so that was their theory.
That was a hypothesis. So they took thirty six volunteers
who had been diagnosed with this LTS. They oftaus had
a terrible time clinically depressed with their breakup. And they said, hey, volunteers,

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all thirty six of you, here's a headset. Can you
just please wear this headset for twenty minutes a day,
twice a day for five days. We're not going to
tell you what's going to happen with it. Just put
it on and we'll control it remotely. So these volunteers
did it, and these headsets were set up in different ways.
So there was one group where the headset actually was
never turned on. The people didn't know that. They just

(01:01:43):
put the headsets on. It did absolutely nothing for those
five days. They're are control group. There was another group
where the headset was set to zap a part of
their brain called the dorsolateral prefrontal cortex, and so that
zap that for that period of time they wore the headset.
And there was another group of third group for the
ventrolateral prefrontal cortex. So we're both on the prefrontal cortex.

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We know from previous research that this is sort of
involved in voluntary emotional regulation these parts of the brain.
So they set the headsets up that they were going
to electrically stimulate that part of your brain. They say
it non invasively. Basically, they're giving you an electrical current
that you shouldn't feel. People complained that it was itchy,
but that was sort of the correlating that they had.
After five days, they took the headsets away and then

(01:02:27):
they followed up with these people asking how they felt.
Did their depression analysis and they found if you've been
zapped to the brain you did really well. So basically
all of the ZAPP volunteers had a significant reduction in
their symptoms. They were no longer suffering from love Traua syndrome,
and even after a month they showed very few symptoms,

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whereas the poor control people who didn't ask to be
put of the control group were still traumatic, they were
still having huge problems, they still had this LTS. So basically,
this study shows you that if you're having a terrible
time having a heartbreak, just zap yourself to the brain
and you'll be full.

Speaker 19 (01:03:03):
Zip.

Speaker 3 (01:03:03):
And I'm presuming it's not the same as electroshock theorpy. No,
it's transcranial direct current stimulation. It's actually called and so
now they're just applying a very small amount of electricity
to your brain that you shouldn't feel, but it should
stimulate the parts of your brain to just reset everything,
to go back to what should be a normal reaction
to sad things, which I feel a bit sad, but

(01:03:26):
get over it, go out and date again. I think
I'd try a rosea first, to be honest with you,
but look good to know they're working on other things.
Could this be used for other for just general forms of.

Speaker 18 (01:03:37):
There's a whole bunch of other things out there, you know,
even PTSD, some other things where your brain just isn't
firing back to where it should be. So they started
with what was love Troumas syndrome. You know it's not
terrible and working now towards this another another clinical depression
sort of situation.

Speaker 3 (01:03:53):
Oh, really interesting. Thank you so much, Michelle, love you
to catch up with you. It is limes seasoned, folks.
If the trees are fully loaded with limes, then Mike
then Elsen has some very good ideas as to what
to do with them. That's next to her on news zmby.

Speaker 2 (01:04:07):
There's no better way to start your Sunday.

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It's the Sunday Session with Francesca Rutkin and Wiggles for
the best selection of great breaths.

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Use talk sed me.

Speaker 3 (01:04:19):
Mike vander Ellison is with us next. This now is
here right now. I was hello, So I'm so sorry
I was a bit distracted reading texts. But I'm focused
on you now, Mike.

Speaker 9 (01:04:34):
I think it was what you had to read out
for Wiggles. I've just got you in a fluff.

Speaker 3 (01:04:44):
It's okay. Well, as Michelle said, she was like, well,
I've never heard of all these things. I we'll just
give you kids another year or two and you'll be
up to you'll be up to date with all these things. Anyway,
we are talking limes because citrus season the lime trees.
I've just planted a lime meeting. Let's go and check
on it and see how it's doing. I planted a
little while ago because I was very keen for limes.

(01:05:04):
They get a little expensive in the so markets, so
good to have a lime tree in the garden.

Speaker 20 (01:05:10):
When we want them in the middle of summer. They're
like fifty six dollars Gil. Yeah, Yeah, we've got Tahitian limes.

Speaker 3 (01:05:19):
Great, So tell me about a Taitian lime as opposed
to another lime.

Speaker 20 (01:05:27):
They're just wow, Titian. It is just the variety that
we've got. O. Man, they've done well. I don't I
don't know, you know, I guess because we had such
a wet winter lass and then we've had that long,
amazing summer. The trees are just loaded. So we don't
actually have any lemons at the school. Also, for the

(01:05:49):
last two weeks, we've basically been swapping every lemon recipe
out for a lime rescie and.

Speaker 9 (01:05:54):
It's easily done.

Speaker 20 (01:05:56):
Limes are sharper, the flavors are far sharp in the
water lemonas, and you tend to get a lot less juice.
Or I find you get a lot less juice out
of a lot than what you do out of the lemon.
So if you are replacing your recipe, you know your
lemon loaf, your your lemonade with lymon ade, or lemon.

Speaker 9 (01:06:16):
Vinegarette with lime vinegrette.

Speaker 20 (01:06:19):
I tend to just double the amount of limes and
then you're looking pretty good. So for the recipe this week,
we've got a beautiful lemon tart that we make and
so we've just swapped them out for lines.

Speaker 21 (01:06:32):
Now it's the most incredible tart.

Speaker 3 (01:06:35):
You have given us a recipe for sweet short crust pastry.
The first thing my producer here said, why would you
make pastry when you can buy pastry? And then we thought, well,
hang on a minute. It is harder to buy pastry
these days because some is edmonds has gone, you know,
like maybe your go to pastry is no longer there
is that why you're giving us a pastry recipe or

(01:06:56):
you just button for punishment.

Speaker 21 (01:06:58):
I just want you to make everything from scratch fair enough,
fair enough.

Speaker 20 (01:07:04):
And I find with the lemon tart because lemon tart,
you know, when you make a lemon tart, you want
it to be quite shallow, and so you want that
pastry to be quite thin, because I find if it's not,
then it creates.

Speaker 21 (01:07:17):
Little Or if you buy the short cruss.

Speaker 20 (01:07:19):
Pastry and then you try and line a thin short
tart casing, it tends to crack. And once it cracks,
when you pour in your custom mix into it, it
just pours in one end and basically flows out at
the bottom.

Speaker 9 (01:07:33):
So for this tart, I will try and make my own.

Speaker 20 (01:07:36):
So the recipe is there for that short crust pecetree
if you want to make it. And so you make
up that pastry, let it rest for a good hour
in the fridge before you go to roll it out.

Speaker 21 (01:07:47):
So just roll it out on a lightly flowed surface.

Speaker 20 (01:07:50):
Go thin like go to mill and then line into
a really thin shallow tart casing.

Speaker 9 (01:07:59):
And then you want to preheat your oven.

Speaker 20 (01:08:01):
Line the pastry case with like some baking paper or
cartoons cartouche, put in some baking beans, fire that into
the oven, bake that for eighteen minutes.

Speaker 9 (01:08:10):
After eighteen minutes.

Speaker 20 (01:08:11):
Pull it out, remove the crisperry paper, and then put
it back into the oven for another five minutes. That
just hardens that shall ever so slightly, and then pull
it out. And it's the final part of the baking
or the blind baking of that tart is pull it
out and then taken egg, just lightly beaten egg, and
brush the inside of that tart with the egg, and
then put it back into the oven for a.

Speaker 9 (01:08:32):
Final five minutes.

Speaker 20 (01:08:34):
And what that air does is the egg actually seals
up the case and makes it air tight, makes it
water tight. So when you pour in your lemon casing
or your lemon filling, it doesn't flow out and it
fills up any little cracks or any holes that are
in that So then once that's all done, you're just
going on to the making the casing or making the filling.

(01:08:56):
Turn your oven down at this point to one hundred
and ten, very important, turn it down. Don't bake your
lime tart at one hundred and aces. So turn it
down and then make up the filling really easy. I've
got six seven limes. You want to zest the seven
limes and then juice the seven limes, pop them into
a pot with a cup of cast of sugar. Seems

(01:09:17):
like quite a bit, Yes it is, but it's delicious.
And then just slowly bring that to the boil. Just
stir it every so off, and once it comes to
the ball, turn it off, let it heat, let all
that zest and.

Speaker 9 (01:09:28):
Fuse through the lemon or the lime syrup.

Speaker 20 (01:09:33):
And then all you want to do is just take
five hundred meals of cream, lightly heat that up, and then.

Speaker 21 (01:09:38):
Pour that over three whole eggs, three egg yolks.

Speaker 20 (01:09:42):
Whist those in, and then finally pour in your your
zested lemon, sorry zested limes. Give that a good max
and then take your casing. Pour the custard mix into
the casing until it's right at the absolute limit of
how high you can fill it. I tend to put
the case on the oven tray and then pour your

(01:10:03):
custard in wi your case is actually on the oven tray,
and then you just gently slide into the oven one
hundred and ten and.

Speaker 9 (01:10:09):
You want to cook that for about forty minutes.

Speaker 3 (01:10:12):
Thank you.

Speaker 21 (01:10:12):
It seems quite an ordeal, but it's not.

Speaker 9 (01:10:15):
It's quite simple.

Speaker 21 (01:10:15):
I just I made it sound harder than what it is.

Speaker 3 (01:10:21):
You don't normally do that because I normally listen to,
Oh I manageable. I can do this, Mike.

Speaker 5 (01:10:28):
Do you know why?

Speaker 20 (01:10:28):
It's because I printed this recipe out and it printed
out and that the words are like a millimeter high
and I'm actually struggling to read it.

Speaker 3 (01:10:39):
Okay, So the actual making of it isn't it was
just getting through the recipe was was a bit difficult.

Speaker 9 (01:10:45):
There might I need a glass.

Speaker 3 (01:10:46):
Let's think of it like that. You just you can
pick up those glasses. You know, they're called reading glasses.

Speaker 9 (01:10:51):
Mike.

Speaker 3 (01:10:52):
You useful to age. Hey, thank you so much, very
much appreciated. Of course, you can get that recipe at
good from scratched dot co dot in z or head
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Time to talk wellness now with Aeron O'Hara. Good morning,
Good morning today you're going to talk about optimizing our
metabolic health. What is metabolic health?

Speaker 22 (01:11:43):
Yes, so metabolic health is when your body can digest
and absorb nutrients from food and that you can eat
without any unhealthy spikes and blood sugar, blood fat, inflammation,
and insulin. So basically how your body's digesting food and
releasing it into the bloodstream. And for some people it
can be a genetic problem where their bodies not metabolizing

(01:12:07):
food very well. So basically weight gains more common also
puts it increased breast for type two diabetes, heart disease,
kidney disease, and non alcoholic fatty liver disease is more
common with metabolic health problems. But the biggest trigger is
can be ethnicity, can be age, can be diet, can be, obesity,

(01:12:29):
a sedimentary lifestyle. So there's numerous factors that affect your
metabolic health. And it's not just calories and calories out
that affects your metabolism. So it's not just a matter
of eat less, do more exercise that's affecting how much
you're gaining weight or how much you're holding on to
weight in your body. But actually there's more factors to

(01:12:49):
whether you hold on to more weight in your body,
particularly around your abdominal area, is that putting you at
a higher risk of a poor metabolic health. So there's
some things that we need to really watch out for.
So if you are concerned about your metabolic health, is
maybe getting a check with your doctor, getting some blood tests,
checking things like high blood pressure, impaired fast in glucose,

(01:13:13):
hydrog trackless ride levels, low HDL which is your good cholesterol,
and a high alt liver enzyme. Now, these are factors
that are affecting your metabolic health.

Speaker 3 (01:13:25):
So it's good to get.

Speaker 22 (01:13:25):
Those things checked so you can chicken whether the reason
you can't lose weight is not just because you're eating
too much and not doing enough exercise, but more to
do with how your metabolism is working and why you're
not burning fat.

Speaker 3 (01:13:39):
Basically, metabolism has always just been a bit of an excuse,
hasn't it. Well, i've got a slow metabolism, Oh i've
got a fast metabolism. I shouldn't eat that because I've
got this, or I can eat that because I've got that.
But actually we can adjust that metabolism. We can.

Speaker 22 (01:13:54):
Yeah, there's some things we can't change, like age, sex,
and your genetics, because women generally have poor, poorer metabolic
health than men. But we can modify things like, oh,
so it's to do with more hormones and holding on
to fat stores and also more around that perimenopause. Menopause
age puts you out higher risk of insign resistance or

(01:14:18):
things like PCOS for women as well. So those are
factors that also affect your metabolic health. But things we
can modify are things like your diets, so trying to
get more vegetables and fruit, and we actually need more
than five plus a day. I know we say five
plus a day and people try and hit that five,
but actually as many as you can get in fruits
and vegetables, they're going to be great for your microbiome,

(01:14:40):
which is going to help your metabolism as well as
giving you all that fiber and rouffage for the gut
which is going to be really good for digesting also cholesterol.
Also making sure you're getting plenty of healthy fats, so
things like nuts, seeds, olive oil, olives, avocados, all those
good fats. Fats are actually good for our metabolism, especially
the right types of fats and cutting back on our

(01:15:03):
saturate of fats are things like high fat dairy and
all their skin you know on chicken skin and the
pork crackling. Those are not so good for a metabolic health.

Speaker 3 (01:15:13):
So if someone's just sitting at home now going okay,
metabolic health, well, how do I know if my metabolism
is working as well as it could or so? First,
because because you might just you might just be thinking, well,
I think I'm fine.

Speaker 22 (01:15:26):
Yeah, if you may, you're holding on to weight, okay,
so you hold on to weight very easily, then go
get some blood testing.

Speaker 3 (01:15:34):
That's the to get those.

Speaker 22 (01:15:35):
Things check first, and then you can see whether that
is affecting the way you're holding on to weight, and
then you can do things to make your metabolism improved
by making sure you're adding the right foods, getting more exercise,
prioritizing sleeps, all those basic things. Getting out for some exercise,
especially after a meal, because it helps you lower the

(01:15:55):
spikes and blood glucose levels after a meal. So you
might get out and walk around the block for ten
minutes after a meal just to help you utilize the
blood sugar that's released from the carbohydrate. Also looking at
your mental health, so if you're emotional eider and you
eat lots of sugar in a big amount and then
you're kind of that'll fetch your metabolic health as well

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if you're adding big volumes of sugar or high saturated
fat foods.

Speaker 3 (01:16:22):
Fascinating as always, Thank you so much. Erin o' harrell
catch up. Next week it is six to eleven News
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Speaker 3 (01:16:38):
So the Olympics are just a little over a month away.
The opening ceremony takes place on July twenty sixth, but
it's all going to be a little bit different in Paris.
Very excited to hear how Paris is getting prepared and
if it's all ready to go, and to tell us
how our team prep is going as well. We are
going to be joined by Olympian and our chefter mission

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nigelor Avery next year on Ness Talks Edbe We're going
to finish the hour some new music and post melon
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It's Sunday. You know what that means.

Speaker 1 (01:18:12):
It's the Sunday Session with Francesca, Rudkin and Wickles for
the best selection of great Reeds US talks.

Speaker 2 (01:18:18):
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Speaker 3 (01:18:25):
Good to have you with us here on the Sunday
session coming up this our. Jason Pine's going to join
us shortly to talk about the All Black Squad announcement
tomorrow and what the heck went wrong with the Warriors
last night. Now, do you need a little mini island getaway?
What about Wahiki Island? Megan's going to take us on
a tour. And John Grisham has a new book out.

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He's venturing out of the courtroom with his latest novel.
Joane's going to explain more just before the end of
the hour.

Speaker 2 (01:18:52):
The Sunday session.

Speaker 3 (01:19:01):
This is the official theme to pair Us twenty twenty four.
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Speaker 3 (01:19:06):
Well, because we are just a little over a month
to go to the Olympic Games. The opening ceremony takes
place on July twenty sixth. However, the first sports sevens
and football get underway on the twenty fourth. Now some
fun facts about this year's Olympics. It's the first time
in one hundred years that Paris hosted the event. They

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last hosted in nineteen twenty four. This Olympics will also
be the first time in history the opening ceremony won't
be hosted in a stadium, organizers opting for a flow
tilla of boats down the Seine. It is all very
exciting and to chat about where things are at and
what we can expect in Paris. New Zealand's Chef de
Mission Nigel Avery, is with me now.

Speaker 5 (01:19:47):
Good morning, Nigel, Good morning for Projessica. Thanks for having me.

Speaker 3 (01:19:51):
Hey, Look, you have been to Paris a few times
in the lead up. How are preparations going? Is Paris
ready for this event?

Speaker 5 (01:20:00):
Look? I think they will be.

Speaker 25 (01:20:01):
I mean from a facility perspective, they only construct the
two from scratch, so everything else is all put in place,
and the things they did build for the event, we're
handed over ahead of time, and so in that respect,
plus the village also handed over to the Organized Committee
on time. I think they're very much on track, and
that's more about now just the finer organizational points to

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make sure that everything's dialed in. And by everything, I mean,
that's an extremely complex environment that the Organized Committee is
dealing with. But you know, we've got high confidence that
they'll put on a good show.

Speaker 3 (01:20:33):
This sounds like it's going to be a visually stunning
Olympic Games. We've got beach volleyball under the Eiffel Tower,
We've got the equestrian at the Palace of Versailles. It's
going to be beautiful, isn't it.

Speaker 25 (01:20:46):
Well, that is I mean, Paris is an amazing city anyway,
and the Organizing Committee when we first visited them in
March last year, we're kind of at pains to say, hey, look,
this is going to be a real spectacle for the
spectators on top of the competition side. So they're going
to put on a great show and the over and

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it's just it's just beautiful. You've wold have seen the
images of the Olympic rings, you know, strung beneath the
Eiffel Tower, and so you know, so you and your
general journalist colleagues is going to be absolutely fizzing with
the amazing content that it's going to be available to
show the world.

Speaker 3 (01:21:21):
And then of course this is the first time in
history that the opening ceremony isn't going to be in
a stadium. What does that mean for our athletes? Nigerlie,
you're a little bit concerned about putting them on a
barge and sort of sending them back down the river.

Speaker 25 (01:21:35):
Yeah, well, look, I think the organized Committee is extremely
mindful of the health and safety of all participants as
we are, and so I have steps in place to
make sure that you know, there's resume boats of something
should happen, and there's there's life checkers and all that
sort of stuff. So I think every contingency that they've

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kind of looked at, So yeah, I think, you know,
we've we've got confidence and their ability to put on
that in a safe way and it's going to be
extremely exciting.

Speaker 5 (01:22:03):
And as you said, very very novel.

Speaker 3 (01:22:06):
And open to the public, which is fantastic, so you know,
everybody will just be able to line that river and
sort of take part.

Speaker 2 (01:22:14):
Yeah.

Speaker 25 (01:22:15):
So originally that was going to be peaking on about
six hundred thousand people doing that from paid the ticket
advantage points and then and free for all. Then it
went down to about three hundred thousand, and now I believe
it's going to be ticketed only, So I'm not sure
that it's general admission. I think look, there's a huge,
huge security over a for obvious reasons because it's such

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a broad expanse compared to a stadium to protect from
a protection standpoint, so I think the security people just
sort of going, hey, let's just dial this back a
little bit and just make sure security is met.

Speaker 3 (01:22:50):
Because we have actually been told it's really unprecedented security
that the Olympic Games police force is larger than New
Zealand and police force.

Speaker 25 (01:22:59):
Is that right, or the Paris police forces three or
four times, you know, And yeah, so look they've thrown
everything the kitchen think at it, and you know, you know,
hugely confident in their ability. You know, I think you know,
they're not only that the French side that all the
international organizations are involved.

Speaker 5 (01:23:17):
You just imagine it.

Speaker 25 (01:23:18):
Right, and so we're confident in that and also in
New Zealand's response to it as well. To make sure
that from a team perspective, you know, we're definitely got
liaison offices embedded in the team and then all the
m FAT and the Department of part Minister and Cabinet
they're all involved, the embassies involved, and so just to
make sure that you know, we are all going to

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be sacked along with all the traveling New Zealers, of
which is going to be around two and a half
thousand people heading to Paris for the event.

Speaker 3 (01:23:44):
And that was going to be my next question, Nigel,
because as much as this sounds like it's going to
be a wonderful visual feast for viewers like myself, for
someone like you who was running a team there where
it's a little bit it's a bit different. It's different
from probably what you did at the Commonwealth Games. It
does feel like you're doing things for the first time.

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Is that is it going to put some challenges on
you just making sure everyone is where they need to
be and able to get to when they need to go.

Speaker 25 (01:24:12):
And yeah, look I think it's like any any big events.
It's happening, just it's happening for the first time, you know,
for everybody. And so you know, transportation, as you mentioned
in particular, it's always one to be tested at first
and one that there'll be a whole lot of scrutiny over.

Speaker 5 (01:24:29):
But look, you know you're right, you know, you.

Speaker 25 (01:24:31):
Know, I had an experience in booming and Conwalth's games,
but this will be I guess, bigger, more important. Mw
Zeon's not such a big fish in that pond, you know,
where there's lots of other big nations and whatnot. But
I guess fundamentally, you know, we'll keep our process of
the same and focus on what we can control and
get the fundamentals right and then create an environment for
athletes that they can succeed.

Speaker 3 (01:24:52):
Nigel, where are we at with the New Zealand team?
How many have already been named? How big do you
expect the team to be?

Speaker 25 (01:24:59):
Yep, so I haven't done exact shout, but well I
think we're about gosh, maybe three quarters named sort of
all a couple of big teams there men and women
are to go, and then a bunch of other sort
of not quite very so important sports but not so
many team members. So I think we're going to land
around the two hundred mark, which is a little bit
shy of both Tokyo and Rio, and largely because of

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the women's hockey unfortunately didn't make it and no means
of women's ates in the rowing. So but look, really
amazing group of people have been selected and are about
to be named in that team, and we're extremely fortunate
to go away with such an amazing group of people.

Speaker 3 (01:25:41):
Do we have a metal target yet? Is anyone doing
you know, little tally behind the behind the scenes as
to what we might land?

Speaker 25 (01:25:51):
Yeah, so I think hoping form the sport, New Zealand
have got a bit of a tracking system, but you know,
we don't really pay too much attention to that because
we want to support every athlete in their endeavor and
we know that we all can't stand on that podium,
but we can certainly help everybody achieve what they want
to achieve, and some will do that and so we'll
be supporting everybody in that process.

Speaker 3 (01:26:13):
You've competed at the Olympics. Does that help you in
your role as the chief mission?

Speaker 22 (01:26:19):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (01:26:19):
Look, I think it does.

Speaker 25 (01:26:21):
So I went in knowing that I was you know,
I wasn't going to be standing on the podium.

Speaker 5 (01:26:25):
I was realistic.

Speaker 25 (01:26:26):
I still did my best and all that, and so
I think that's the message I'll be sending, you know,
you know to the team that you know are there
to do it as well as they can, but knowing
that realistically they may not get a chance.

Speaker 5 (01:26:38):
But also, you.

Speaker 25 (01:26:39):
Know, I competed in the Commerce Games where I was
a favorite self experienced from that side as well, and
being able to sort of the pressures that that brings
in the number of athletes and teams with that burden,
and so being able to have I've seen from both
sides is going to hopefully help a little way and
be able to chat and work through things with athletes.

Speaker 3 (01:27:00):
What is the role actually, Like, we'll just explain it
to us really quickly.

Speaker 25 (01:27:05):
I guess, yeah, I'm the ethnic champion, so you know,
team culture. I guess I lead the team on paper
and responsible for it in all regards. Yeah, but it's
really about, you know, creating that environment where they can
optimize their their performance. You know, they've done all huge
amounts of hard work leading in Obviously we get them

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in a short period, you know, before that games and enduring,
and so our job is to sort of I call
it polishing the diamond, you know there in such great shape.
What little piece can we add to that to the performance,
because it only takes a small amount between winning and losing, right,
so we can help get that little one percent?

Speaker 5 (01:27:43):
Then who knows and what is that Nida?

Speaker 3 (01:27:46):
What is it that you need to do to optimize
that performance? Is it just making sure that the day
goes well, they get to where they need to go,
They've got what they need to get into stadiums and
all that kind of thing. Sort of the lot the
logistics runs smoothly.

Speaker 25 (01:27:59):
That's right. Well, that's that's certainly a big part. And
that's you know, that's the fundamentals I talked about. But
I guess that the piece and behind that is I
guess the team culture of monarchy, a real true sense
of belonging and welcoming them, you know that they really
do belong in this environment, making sure they're happy. Clearly
they need to be healthy and all that as well,
and if you can wrap all that up into one,

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then they've got the best chance.

Speaker 3 (01:28:21):
Talking about being healthy, Tokyo was our healthiest ever Olympics.
Obviously there were heavy COVID protocols in place. Has sort
of lessons been taken from that to take forward to
this Olympics because we want all the athletes to hit
the start line in good shape.

Speaker 25 (01:28:36):
Look at one hundred percent and those statistics are very,
very evidence that those protocols and mandates the respiratory wise
are least impacted by that illness. And so you know,
we're not making any mandates, but we're certainly encouraging the
protocols of your mask wearing, hands, sanitizing, washing, and keeping

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your social distancing and environments, particularly in tight or exposed
environments like you know, public transport, planes, trains, all my biles,
you know, the dining hall unless you're eating. And so
we're really asking athletes to do that for the sake
of the air and performance, but also of their teammates.
And some sports are you know, I mean rowing for example,

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and they've had a masking protocol and their offices in
Cambridge for the last a month or six weeks, you know,
because they figured that.

Speaker 5 (01:29:25):
You know, it's not only at the Games.

Speaker 25 (01:29:27):
If you if you get COVID, you lose a week
of also of preparation, and so you know, some sports
are really taking it very very seriously, and we would
like them all to do the same.

Speaker 3 (01:29:37):
Nigel, have you seen the French film Under Paris which
is screening on Netflix at the moment, about a mutant
man eating shark in the.

Speaker 25 (01:29:43):
Scene I my chedule watch and then I caught the
tail end of it, and.

Speaker 5 (01:29:51):
What an amazing piece of cinematography.

Speaker 3 (01:29:54):
It's just going to say, don't watch it. I think
it's terribly unfair that they've they've put this out when
they're expecting the Trithlee is this woman?

Speaker 9 (01:30:01):
This woman?

Speaker 3 (01:30:01):
I was laughing at the day, going I can't be
a different at this point. Finally, have you found somewhere
someone to wear the Goldie suit? Because I am available
to pop over and do that if you need some help.

Speaker 26 (01:30:15):
Well, Francisca, unfortunately you're going to ask to hit the
reserves list because we have found someone and so wonderful
Kate from down on the Kapity Coast, I believe.

Speaker 25 (01:30:28):
So she won a pretty cool competition to win the
right for that, and she's going to be amazing. She's
just totally pumped. I have a chat with her on
Friday afternoon and she's just she's stoked.

Speaker 3 (01:30:39):
Wonderful. Hey Nigel, thank you so much, really appreciate your
time this morning.

Speaker 5 (01:30:43):
Thank you, You're welcome. Thanks Francesca.

Speaker 3 (01:30:46):
That was New Zealand Chief to Mission Nigel Avery. Of course,
he has competed at the Olympics and the Comweth Games.
He was the Chief of Mission at the Commonwealth, the
Birmingham Commonwealth Games. I have a funny feeling that the
athletes are in very good hands. Up next, we have
the panel. It's nineteen past eleven.

Speaker 2 (01:31:04):
There's no better way to study yourself.

Speaker 1 (01:31:06):
It's a Sunday session with Francesca, Rutkin and Wiggles for
the best selection of great breaths used TALKSTV.

Speaker 3 (01:31:17):
And joining me now for the panel, we have got
Brodie Caine, podcaster and broadcaster Good Morning, Good Morning and
Gold FM and News Talk ZB host Andrew Dickens. How
you doing Andrew?

Speaker 27 (01:31:30):
I'm very well, thank you very much, but disappointed in
our country.

Speaker 3 (01:31:35):
What's disappointing you today? Andrew? What's on the list?

Speaker 27 (01:31:37):
Wains Waynes, pylons and fairies?

Speaker 5 (01:31:40):
Mate?

Speaker 27 (01:31:40):
I mean, who told us that we were a grown
up country.

Speaker 3 (01:31:43):
We have had a little issue with asset maintenance. This week,
let's focus on the Fairies because the oraitary grounding is
a bad look for everybody involved, for the government because
they don't have a plan to upgrade the Fairies yet.
For key we Rail, because we'd like the service to
be safe and reliable. Andrew, are you confident that key
we Rail can maintain the fleet?

Speaker 23 (01:32:02):
No?

Speaker 18 (01:32:05):
You know, you know.

Speaker 27 (01:32:06):
But when I got worried about all this, I'll be
worried all about all of this for about thirty or
forty years. This is a ferry system that was designed
or built in the sixties. Strange enough, in the sixty
years since we have grown and the need to change,
and no one's updated, thank you Richard Prebble.

Speaker 4 (01:32:20):
But when I.

Speaker 27 (01:32:21):
Really got worried was at the last budget. And I
don't know if anyone noticed. It wasn't highly reported at
the time, but in the budget was a budget for
the buying or leasing of a mega tug to save
a faery that had lost power or steerage in the
Cook Strait. So, in other words, the government was budgeting
for a failure of a faery. The government was budgeting

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for failure and not for success. And I know that
one point five billion. There's a lot of money and
they should never have had to spend that. They should
have spent it thirty years ago. But at the same
time they had already budgeted for a tug to save
a faery in one of the most notorious waters of
the world with people and freight on it. I mean,
who are the grown ups?

Speaker 3 (01:33:02):
Well, you could say they've been growing up because there's
been a lot of calls for there to be at
Hug that could actually handle any kind of disaster which
takes place in the Cooks straight.

Speaker 27 (01:33:12):
Yeah, but it was also right after they canceled the
buying of new fairies.

Speaker 3 (01:33:16):
So does what worry you about that? Andrew imply that
they're not going to replace the fairies. They're going to
get the tag to save the fair No.

Speaker 27 (01:33:23):
They have to replace the fairies. The fairies are going
to sink. They will need replacing unless you want to
separate the North Island and the South Island into separate countries.
And I think there might be quite a lot of people,
particularly south of the Strait, but think that's a great idea.

Speaker 3 (01:33:36):
Why possibly Brodie welcome.

Speaker 19 (01:33:39):
Yes, Hi, their team look the cook straight. Yeah, I've
spent a lot of time.

Speaker 4 (01:33:43):
The cooks right.

Speaker 19 (01:33:44):
Actually, a couple of fun facts for you. My mother
has swung the cook straight and my father used to
work on the other hooda Into islander. So I know
this piece of water quite well, and it is notorious
and it's dangerous, but the most important thing is it
connects the two islands, and it is crucial for our

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country to effectively. And the fact that what happened yesterday
or the day before was allowed to happen, and we
obviously had the recent incident with the Kaikarki losing power,
and you think what next. It's very, very obviously fortunate
that no one was hurt and that the boat was
able to be You know what, what's the opposite of

(01:34:27):
a run aground refloated? I just like I. It is
successive governments over decades, as Andrew said, that have just
is this one of those things that they've all put
in the two hard baskets?

Speaker 27 (01:34:43):
And you said, everybody, Bradie, I know what you're looking for, Brady.
Everybody kicks the ball downfield, everybody kicks the bottle further effect.
Oh we can't do that right now, you know, And
you go, well, someone's going to have to do it
at some stage. If you run a business, you know
that you're going to have to spend money maintaining your assets.
We just don't so.

Speaker 3 (01:35:00):
But guys, the government is assuring us that they are
committed to new ships. But what they need to do
is they need to get on with I mean, they've
had the advice three board in action. They need to
get on with presenting that plan. And I think we'll
be kicking themselves. They didn't have that plan settled before
this happened.

Speaker 19 (01:35:13):
And the worst thing is when they decided not to fund,
like pulled out of funding the mega boats.

Speaker 9 (01:35:18):
Right.

Speaker 19 (01:35:18):
I mean I kind of look at this and go,
look how much we spend on roads and roads are
important obviously, billions of dollars on roads.

Speaker 4 (01:35:27):
This is actually.

Speaker 19 (01:35:28):
Important, Like we can't really do much without it, So
suck it up, spend the money. Otherwise again, you're going
to have a boat stuck on the ground, You've got
an air force plane that can't leave. We're all going
to be stuck here again.

Speaker 27 (01:35:44):
It struck me as the cancling of Irex. It was
like was right after the election that Nicola Willis had
a piece of paper come across and said, look at this,
that's one point five billion dollars. She's on a fat
way to kill government spending. She went, here's an easy
political victory. And politics is politics, it's not leadership, you know,
And they could it's so frustrating, guys.

Speaker 3 (01:36:05):
No, I couldn't agree with you more. Soon we get
on with sorting it the better. Now it's been reported
that the King is going to skip New Zealand on
his October tour down Under. He was coming to Australia
and New Zealand and some more, and he's now decided
that he needs to pull back a little bit. He's
been overdoing it post his cancer treatment and he's going

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to skip New Zealand. And I'm going to be honest
with you. I'm not a royalist at all. I'm not
hugely interested in the royal family. But I was a
bit disappointed in this. And I don't know whether it's
because I'm just being competitive with Australia or whether I'd
actually like to see the King visit before he gets
much older. Anybody else kind of feeling of its sort
of sentimental.

Speaker 19 (01:36:45):
That was a kind way, hey, that was a kind
way to say.

Speaker 4 (01:36:48):
Before he died.

Speaker 19 (01:36:50):
Didn't you possibly Yeah, look, I think do you know
when I read this, I sort of thought, oh, well,
it's funny because I've always been fascinated in the royal family.
They do intrigue me. But I just feel like that
no one, I don't. I don't think that too many
people in New Zealand will actually be too concerned about this.

(01:37:12):
We've got, you know, cost of living crisis, people just
getting by. I don't even realize. I don't even think
that people will be too bothered because an actual fact,
everyone just needs to be getting on, you know, don't don't.
I don't think people will be worried.

Speaker 4 (01:37:27):
I'm not worried.

Speaker 27 (01:37:29):
That is for fun. It's for fun, it's for distraction.
World family. To a certain degree, we do contribute towards
their upkeeping now part of our constitutional makeup. And that
would be nice if the King actually paid a visit,
because he's only just got on the throne. But unfortunately
he went caught cancer and that's unfortunate. When I first
read it, I thought, all right, so Australia is the
favorite sun.

Speaker 6 (01:37:48):
Eh.

Speaker 27 (01:37:48):
New Zealand wants are we what are we to you?

Speaker 9 (01:37:51):
Are we harry to you?

Speaker 27 (01:37:52):
Is that who we are to you? Oh, that's why.
And then I realized that the only reason he's coming
south of the border is to go to thecom of
Heads of Government meeting, which is in summer. So we
had a choice of two things. Either come to Australia,
go to some are come to New Zealand go to
some are probably sure to go to Australia, go to summer.
He has to go to summer because of the whole
Commonwealth's going to be there. And so then I thought, okay,

(01:38:13):
did's got cancer? Cut you some slack, but if you
get over it, come down before you die, preferably.

Speaker 3 (01:38:19):
That's probably explained how I was feeling very well there Andrew,
thank you now. Brodie, I saw that you were very
disappointed with the Warriors last night, which God quite frankly,
so you should be. I'm not quite too sure what happened.
What would you suggest the Warriors do next?

Speaker 19 (01:38:35):
So what we has to do next is get rid
of all the seniors. You may remember two remarkable games
that the Warriors played without any of their eighteen and
they won them, and they played with heart and manna,
and it was all these young boys proving themselves and
ever since the seniors have come back, it has been rubbish,

(01:38:57):
and I think that they should all be grounded. Quite frankly,
like if I was weby last night, I'd be like,
you're grounded, you can't have nice things. Go away and
think about what you've done, and let's let these young
boys play like they were. And I'll tell you what, though,
here's something that's a little bit controversial. I'd be putting
to Mighty Martin at seven and I'd be giving Sean
Johnson a little bit of a breather to Mighty Martin

(01:39:19):
at seven as a key player. He's been playing wonderfully
well there when Sean wasn't there and the game was
moving faster. I can't actually speak on what on earth
went on last night, but as I say, ground them all,
get those young boys.

Speaker 4 (01:39:35):
Back and.

Speaker 19 (01:39:37):
Try and salvage something, because that was.

Speaker 4 (01:39:38):
A shoulders stroying.

Speaker 27 (01:39:41):
Brodie's bang on the other thing is make sure all
games are played at Mount Smart from now on. Never
travel because obviously they don't like traveling. They go lazy,
they go, you know, they go tropo, they go. I
don't know where they go, but their head goes somewhere.
And I agree to Marie Martin, sh'll be playing. He's
got hunger and he's got ambition, whereas Sean is just
maintaining his legacy. I'm sorry, Sean, You're an amazing person,
but at the moment you maybe quite right tak it

(01:40:03):
a little lesson.

Speaker 4 (01:40:04):
Look at this.

Speaker 27 (01:40:05):
Let the young guys go.

Speaker 3 (01:40:06):
You know, yeap Brody came and sixty six. Yeah, I
didn't watch.

Speaker 27 (01:40:13):
I didn't watch the game. It just blew my mind.
I've got to open up, open up the phone, Newsy
on Herald dot Com. I went, what, oh my god,
it will probably.

Speaker 19 (01:40:25):
Yeah, broom the table team just let's just not even
talk about it anymore.

Speaker 4 (01:40:30):
Day.

Speaker 3 (01:40:31):
Okay, so the call, the call on our house, Brody
was that's a season over from the seventeen year old expert.

Speaker 19 (01:40:39):
No, that doesn't. I mean what we love and what
we've loved for years, is that there's never a dull
moment with the Warriors, and actually, in fact, that could be,
that could be the right turning point. That's how we operate,
that's why we love them, that's why we turn up
because somehow next week we'll go, okay, come on, boys,
and they're at home on Saturday night and I bet

(01:40:59):
you it will still be a.

Speaker 27 (01:41:00):
Sellout and it's not in league and also super regular days.
It's not who makes the playoff, it's who doesn't. Because
because more people make playoffs than don't make playoffs, you
know they can still make it from where they are.

Speaker 3 (01:41:12):
Brody Kane, Andrew Dickens, thank you very much for your
time today on the panel. We will discuss this next
with Jason Pine.

Speaker 1 (01:41:25):
It's the Sunday session with Francesca Rudkin on NEWSTALGSB.

Speaker 3 (01:41:31):
Coming up at midday here on news Talks, he'd be
Jason Pine with Weekend Sport and he joins me. Now,
good morning, Good morning. We were supposed to have the
Blues assistant coach Grege join us rather early this morning,
which was maybe a sort of small, you know, mistake
on our path. Touch optimistic perhaps optimistic perhaps, And I

(01:41:55):
believe that you too are still struggling to fold somebody
from the Blues team to.

Speaker 28 (01:42:01):
To I'm sure they're around to communicate with. I'm sure
they're around somewhere. I We'll keep on being away because
we do want to celebrate this twenty one years. There's
a long time between Super Rugby titles and so you
can actually, you know, forgive them for pushing the boat
out a bit last week.

Speaker 3 (01:42:18):
A little celebration, but it is worth celebrating because it
was a good game too.

Speaker 28 (01:42:23):
They won, well, yeah, totally deserved to win, you know
against the Chief side that came with intent, I'm sure,
but just were completely snuffed out by a Blue side
that knew exactly what they were about, got their skipper
back against all expectation, and he put in a hercule
an hour or so before he wandered off and got

(01:42:43):
a moon boot back on for that knee injury of his. Look,
it just felt like the Blues time, I must be honest,
over the last two or three weeks, it really felt
as though they were totally in sync. And vern cottter
they've clearly got a coach who a knows how to
win a Super Raby competition and b knows how to
instill that plan in his players and keep them, you know,

(01:43:04):
on points. So look, I think at least by my count,
at least ten of these players in the Blue side
are going to be rewarded with all Blacks call ups tomorrow,
and maybe even a couple of others have kind of
played themselves into contention. So yeah, well done to the
Blues last night, deserving winners of Super Rugby.

Speaker 3 (01:43:21):
You're expecting any surprises tomorrow with the All Blacks announcement.

Speaker 28 (01:43:24):
Well, I've written down thirty two names that I think
will get called out. I've got five new All Blacks,
so I guess they're the ones who you kind of think, okay,
they could be the ones that are contestable, no absolute bolters.
I don't think. I don't think anybody's going to come
right out of left field. But you know there's a
couple of positions. Who's the third half back? For example,
if you accept that, probably Finlake Christi and TJ. Pedinada

(01:43:47):
are two of them. Who's the third hooker? With Summer
Sauny talkiajol Out out injured. I think Ricky Ricotelli has
done enough for a call up and he may well
benefit from what he's been doing with the Blues this season.
But look, I don't think there's anybody who will raise
a lot of eyebrows, but some good players, as always Francesca,
will miss out. Because you know, we've got a lot
more good players than just the thirty two who are

(01:44:09):
going to get named tomorrow.

Speaker 3 (01:44:10):
Jason, Am I right. The process has been a little
bit different with selecting this all black squad in the
sense that the coaches have all had a say yeah,
I like that, I like that.

Speaker 28 (01:44:21):
And also they've waited, which I don't know why they
haven't done this in the past, but they've waited till
after the final In previous years they've kind of named
it during the final series, after the semis or whatever
it is. I think, you know, you've got to give
guys every opportunity right up until last night to prove
their worth. But yeah, apparently Scott Robertson has said to
all his assistance, look, you give me your thirty two names,
I'll write down mine and then let's kick them around.

Speaker 3 (01:44:42):
So yeah, very collegial.

Speaker 28 (01:44:44):
From Scott Robertson. Really looking forward to seeing seeing who
he names tomorrow, and then of course the first couple
of test matches. The first Test of the year is
less than two weeks away now Francesca Cakes and a
couple of weeks in de Need and here against England.

Speaker 3 (01:44:56):
Yeah, so sixty six.

Speaker 28 (01:45:00):
You've spectacularly failed to mention the Warriors up to this point.

Speaker 3 (01:45:04):
I'm presuming there'll be a little bit of a discuss
about that.

Speaker 1 (01:45:07):
This up.

Speaker 28 (01:45:07):
Yeah, we'll kick it around.

Speaker 5 (01:45:09):
Yeah.

Speaker 28 (01:45:10):
I mean, it just seems like an absolute anomaly, doesn't it.
It just seems completely bizarre. You know, the equal worst
defeat in the entire history of the club in terms
of points margin. The other one was against the Melbourne
Storm a couple of years ago. Storm were riding high.
It was during COVID times. The Warriors didn't have a
great roster then. But last night that's basically the same

(01:45:31):
side or the real bones of it that got the
Warriors into the top four last season, beaten sixty six
y six by the bottom side in the competition.

Speaker 4 (01:45:43):
I mean, you try and explain that for me.

Speaker 3 (01:45:45):
I was really hoping you would.

Speaker 28 (01:45:47):
Well, I'm going to throw it open to the wider
ZB audience who always have ideas on these things, Francesca.

Speaker 3 (01:45:54):
They sure do, so, I shall be listening and look
forward to somebody trying to make some sense of this.
Jasent fine, thank you so much. Jason's going to be
with you at midday with Weekend Sport. It is twenty
to twelve.

Speaker 2 (01:46:07):
Sunday with Style.

Speaker 1 (01:46:08):
The Sunday Session with Francesca, Rudken and Winkles for the
best selection of great reeds. US talk v travel with
Windy wo Tours, unique fully inclusive tours around the world, and.

Speaker 3 (01:46:23):
Our travel correspondent joins us now. Meghan Singleton, blogger at
large dot com. Good morning, Good morning. I'm sure about
now a lot of people are thinking, I wouldn't mind
a little mini island getaway, And you've got kind You've
got an island get away for us this week. Maybe
maybe just something that people I hadn't just sort of
thought about as having an island get away, but very

(01:46:45):
easy to do. This one doesn't even require a passport,
exact passports required.

Speaker 29 (01:46:53):
Look, I was in touch this week with Wayhike Island Tourism, Inc.
Didn't know they existed until this week. And I mean,
we know it's tough for businesses right all around the country.
Just winter is to anyway if you're not like a
ski destination. And then of course with the recession and
businesses are just really struggling. And I don't know if

(01:47:13):
you've noticed, but there's deals everywhere at the moment, from
you know, spa treatments to accommodations to meals to you know,
I've discovered first table this week as well if you
want to dine at Nana hours from between five and
six pm. But anyway over on Wyhiki, they've got forty
seven businesses together and they've created the Wyhiki Island Winter Passport.

(01:47:36):
So basically, you pay sixty bucks and you get this
little booklet and inside it is just incredible deals, discounts, freebes,
you know, pay for two stay for three nights, thirty
percent off your Ceilink or the New Island Direct Ferry
are doing buy one ticket, get one ticket free to

(01:47:57):
get over there from downtown and then within then you
can carry on and go all right, well we'll go
to these restaurants, we get a free dessert with a
meal at this one, or where you can stay you
know here and get fifty dollars off a night. So
basically I've got the booklet in front of me and
I've just been going through it and thinking, yeah, well
maybe that's just a little bit of motivation that I
needed to get back over there. And it runs until

(01:48:19):
the twentieth of October, so plenty of time to buy
this little booklet, support local, get over on the high
seas without your passport and go and stay a couple
of nights on Wahiki and splat a bit of a
little meager amount of cash around.

Speaker 3 (01:48:35):
If that was thirty five minutes by ferry from downtown Auckland,
it's got to over thirty wineries, lots of activities, gorgeous beaches,
lovely walks. Yeah, yeah, you might not get in and
you might not need your togs.

Speaker 6 (01:48:49):
Would Yeah, I swim on.

Speaker 3 (01:48:50):
I swam on Friday morning at Takapuna Beach. Well done, winter,
so well, I am trying to. I am trying to
do my swims all years. I try and get in
the water two or three times. Yeah, I'm going to
be honest. There has it got very cold in May,
and I thought it can't get worse than this. The
sea temperature has definitely dropped.

Speaker 29 (01:49:09):
But no, I don't think we've seen the winter hill
really yet.

Speaker 3 (01:49:13):
I have a little paddle around for ten minutes or
so and then get out and people look at you
like you're mad. Yeah, if you don't come, come and
join me. Sometimes ring themselves all over and say hi,
and that's about it. That's not too bad. It's good
for you. Ye good, feel good?

Speaker 29 (01:49:33):
Oh well, you'll love it over there. Cost terms of beaches,
and you can get out of the beach and you
can go back to your accommodation that might have a
hot tub. That's where you would find me was perhaps
one of the little local delights in my hand in
the form of a glass.

Speaker 3 (01:49:47):
There you go.

Speaker 29 (01:49:49):
So but anyway, all a good time on wayhik yar,
and I love that this book actually lasts for ages.
It's not just a sudden quick weekend deal you know,
which they have tried in the past, just do a
quick weekend with deals. But this one runs right through
to October.

Speaker 3 (01:50:04):
So well as you say you might grab it, you
might have a weekend over there, but then you might
also just have a long day over there and make
the most of what's left in your and your passport.
So that works brilliantly. Thank you very much for bringing
that to light. Now you've got actually you've got all
this on your blog.

Speaker 29 (01:50:19):
Yes, so I whipped up a quick post just before
I came on air so that people can just jump
straight there and find all the in phone then the
link to go and get it.

Speaker 3 (01:50:28):
Brilliant blogger at large dot com. It's on the homepage there.
If you're thinking, actually, that's great, that's good that's actually manageable.
Let's get out of Auckland, or let's travel to Auckland
and go and explore why heck Yard and good time
to do it. It is thirteen to twelve News Talks.

Speaker 1 (01:50:40):
Thereb Books with Wiggles for the best selection of grape reads.

Speaker 3 (01:50:47):
Time to Talk Box. Joe McKenzie joins me. Now, good morning, Hello.
Lucy Folly has a new book out called The Midnight Feast.

Speaker 5 (01:50:55):
Yeah.

Speaker 30 (01:50:55):
I've been reading her probably for four or five years now,
and my favorite, one of whos actually was The Hunting Party,
which I think was about maybe four or five years ago.

Speaker 10 (01:51:03):
Ye, yeah.

Speaker 30 (01:51:04):
And what she specializes in these day is what they
call locked room mysteries. And actually the action doesn't all
take place within the confines of a single room, but
they're within a small parameter. And this new one, The
Midnight Feast, is set in a biggest state down on
the coast of Dorset, where a local woman has transformed
her grandfather's home, so the ancestral family home I guess,

(01:51:28):
into what she's called the manor, and she's making it
into a wellness retreat, very very high end. There's an
infinity pool and they're going to have a really big
opening night around the time of the solstice, and a
number of people have come and checked in to enjoy
the Solstice dinner that she's putting on, but also to
check out the venue before it officially opens. And you

(01:51:50):
find out early on that there's been some pretty unpleasant
goings on. There's a big fire on the estate and
somebody dies, and you discover that early in the book.
But then, of course, as these things do, it unravels
slowly towards the end, letting you know exactly what happened.
And Francesco, who's the woman who owns the property, she's
a really interesting character. She likes to think of herself

(01:52:12):
as a kind of Mother Earth guru character, and she's
got this wellness thing going on, but actually she has
a dark past, as so many in the book do,
and slowly you find out that not anybody is what
they seem to be and it all comes together beautifully.

Speaker 3 (01:52:28):
Excellent, and John Grisham fans will be rubbing their hands
with glee. He has a new book out.

Speaker 30 (01:52:33):
Yes he does. He's most well known for his courtroom dramas,
of course, but some years ago he started a series
called The Camino Island books, and this is the third
in that series. It's called Camino Ghosts, and it does
have an element of the legal about it, but actually
it's just really good storytelling, which is what he's so
good at, excuse me. And it's the story of a

(01:52:56):
small island off the coast of Florida, and some developers
down there have discovered that there's another island called Dark Isle,
which is between Georgia and Florida off the coast, and
they think it's right for development and they're going to
get in there and make a huge amount of money.
But there's a woman called Lovely, which is such a
nice name, who was the last person to live on

(01:53:18):
that island. She left at the age of fifteen, and
the island has a very dark past because it was
inhabited for a number of years by runaway slaves, and
so a lot of the locals think that actually it's
a bit spooky. And she's determined that nobody is going
to come in and take what she considers to be
her island and develop it to make big bucks. So
there's a good standoff coming between her and the developers

(01:53:41):
and the local bookseller who features in all of these books,
tells the story to a local author who then decides
to write the history of it. As I say, it's
just great storytelling. And John Grisham never ever disappoints me.

Speaker 3 (01:53:53):
No, it must be one. It must be wonderful for
him to have created a bit of a side project
because as you say, yes, so well known for writing
in a certain way about certain things. Yes, must be
quite limiting as an author when you're audience expects something
that from you. It must be nice to have this
other little trilogy.

Speaker 30 (01:54:11):
Just sort of Yeah, I'm sure that's true.

Speaker 3 (01:54:13):
Listing away there, Thank you so much, Joan. The Midnight
Feast by Lucy Folly was the first book we spoke about.
Kamena Ghosts is the latest from John Gresham. We'll talk
next week.

Speaker 2 (01:54:23):
See you then, Keep It's simple. It's Sunday the Sunday.

Speaker 1 (01:54:26):
Session with Francesca Rudkin and Wiggles for the best selection
of grays News talks edby.

Speaker 3 (01:54:32):
Thank you so much for joining me this week on
the Sunday Session. Thank you to Carry for producing the show.
Don't forget that Jason Pine is up next with Weekend Sports.
So much to get through this afternoon. So that's going
to be a great show. The Traitors is back, so
Paul Henry, always a delight, joins me next week in
the studio, as does Anna Coddington, who has a new

(01:54:54):
album out for Marsaiki this Friday. She'll join me in
the studio too. Hey, have a great week. I will
see you on Marsday mornings here on News Talks, edby
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