June 29, 2024 • 14 mins
After a chaotic 18-month period, Kiwi musician Anna Coddington has returned with a new album.
Coddington's Te Whakamiha embraces an upbeat sound, several years after her more subdued work in 2020's Beams.
She says she struggled with her home being caught up in the Auckland floods and her case of long Covid- but she's working to build her strength up.
"It just felt like the right time to try and reach for that sound, cause I've got a great band - we have an awesome time together, it's so much fun... it just felt like a good time to make a fun album."
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Speaker 1 (00:06):
You're listening to the Sunday Session podcast with Francesca Rudgin
from News Talk SEDB.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
Right, doesn't this make you just feel good? Listening to
this music back in twenty twenty seems like a lifetime ago,
doesn't it. I had kV musician Anna Coddington and for
the release of her album Beams. Now four years later,
there's another album. Just listen to it. It is a
lot of fun and I think it's a bit of
a different sound for Anna. It has been an incredibly
busy eighteen months or so. But on Friday and A
(00:34):
released to fuck O Meha and Anda is with us
here in the studio. Good morning morning. I'll turn your
microphone on. There we go, out, there we go. I
love the way I just I sort of said to you,
I said, God, this is just the album that we
need at the moment. It's upbeat, it's really infectious, it's
really fun and new. See me. Yeah, it's so good.
No feelings now having to write about my feelings, but
they're different kind of feelings, right.
Speaker 3 (00:55):
They are, that's right. Yeah, focusing on the joy. I
suppose reaching for the joy, reaching for the ado hear
and yeah, just trying to really enjoy music.
Speaker 2 (01:06):
Which is so dope. The last eighteen months has been
really full on for you, and if you don't mind,
we might just touch on this because because gosh, it's
just been full on. Of course, you lost your house
in the Anniversary weekend floods, which I'm sure was rather
traumatic because you had to be rescued out of the
second story of your home.
Speaker 3 (01:24):
Yes, we did. We were. Yeah, we were next to
Grayland Park and they had built like a bund around
the park to hold water in the event of flooding,
so that was really effective until it overtopped and came
towards our house kind of like rapids. So at that
point we actually couldn't get out. So yeah, at that
(01:45):
point it wasn't that high in the house, kind of
like knee dep but actually on the ground, it was
just like a torrent of water coming down and we
couldn't get up the driveway, and our neighbors could see
us and they were sort of shouting across, going you
need to get out, you need to get out, and
we were like, we can't, we can't get out, and
so we ended up in the upstairs of our house,
which is where our bedrooms were with the kids, and they, yeah,
(02:10):
jumped in their kayak and came and got us out
of the kid's bedroom window. So it was pretty yeah traumatic,
as you say, Yeah, we lost everything that wasn't in
the bedrooms. Yeah, yeah, both our cars, everything downstairs, a
lot of yeah, a lot of stuff that was pretty upsetting,
like my guitar, my guitar that I bought when I
(02:32):
was about eighteen or something like that. That was a
big one because I can't get the same guitar anymore,
Alara feel one if anyone's got one floating around and
wants to sell it to me. And and our books.
That was the other big loss because I had a
lot of special books that yeah, and then I had
(02:53):
no books apart from the three that were on my
bedside stable. Yeah, but you know, lots of positives. I
suppose we had all our clothes, all our bedding and
things like that that are quite personal to you and
you know, so that was good, and we were able
to run a few things upstairs and save them. And
(03:15):
of course, you know, we had our lives.
Speaker 2 (03:19):
So to say, it's not anyone you've spoken to who's
been the situation that you have has been so taken back,
and how quickly things happen and happened, and how they
suddenly did realize it was if they made the wrong
decision could potentially be very life threatening. So I completely
completely understand that, and I was pleased to see that
you were red stickered, but you got sort of brought
(03:41):
out by the council relatively quickly.
Speaker 3 (03:43):
Yeah, we did, because in a way we were fortunate
it was so bad because it was such a clear
cutcase that the house just can't be there. So yeah,
we're really grateful for that. And also just like their
support we had was just incredible. Just people were so kind.
It was like a human safety man just catching us
and holding us from me with angle. So that was
(04:05):
something pretty unique to experience.
Speaker 2 (04:07):
You know, that's very special. And of course you have
been studying law full time as well. You've got a
couple of charming young men with you here today, your
kids as well. And then you caught COVID which has
turned into long COVID, which I imagine as a singer, as
an artist, is not helpful.
Speaker 3 (04:23):
It has not been helpful all and it was not
helpful that it took me so long to realize that
that's what it was, because I think now I realize
I had it all out last year and I have
no evidence for this, but I don't think it's unrelated
to the flood and losing the house and the stress
of that, Like I think those two things are tied
together somehow. But anyway, it gradually got worse over last year,
(04:48):
and my answer to stress and feeling bad and stuff
has always been running. So I was like trying to
get out and run, but I was just getting so exhausted,
and my capacity for running just got less and less
and less. And then yeah, I finally realized at the
very end of last year that potentially was that. So
I went to my GP and when a sort of
(05:08):
physio and yeah, so got.
Speaker 2 (05:11):
That kind of works the physio been doing. Is that
a breathing work.
Speaker 3 (05:14):
Yeah, she's a breathing physio. So it's all been focused
on that because yeah, it's it's so complicated. There's so
much to it, and there's so many it's all to
do with your autonomic nervous system, which is quite difficult
to consciously control because it's all just the stuff that
happens in your body without you doing anything.
Speaker 2 (05:32):
I imagine you were a good being a singer. You
were a good breath that I went to breathing works,
the breathing physios as well. I'm going, oh yeah, no,
so changed my life. But how amazing because I just
thought I just thought I knew how to breathe.
Speaker 3 (05:44):
Well, everyone apparently everyone has dysfunction of breathing.
Speaker 2 (05:47):
Toil that point, I was just like, how can this
really be a problem. I was using my diaphragm about
twenty percent of the time, yeah, and my upper chest
about eighty percent of the time. And the switch has
been and I have to keep working on it, and
I am still promise Becky, I'm working on it. But
it has been incredible at how it's helped with stress
levels and desire. Yes, my voice normally and various other things.
Speaker 3 (06:10):
That's where I am too. Yeah, And you know, you
don't realize, you think everything's fine until someone points out
that you're breathing really weird and needs to try it.
I'm on that journey too, But yeah, it's not helpful
for singing because my diaphragm obviously got severely weakened over
that year, and the diaphragm is the muscle that you
really need to do powerful singing, so I'm building that
(06:31):
strength back up, but it has been quite tiring to sing,
so yeah, I just need to get some strength back there,
but it's getting there. Yeap. The improvements I'm pleased to
hear that.
Speaker 2 (06:42):
I keep thinking that now that I'm finally using my diaphragm,
my diaphragm might work better and I might actually be
helped to say, oh, surely, no, I can't. I couldn't,
I can't. Let's get back to this fabulous album. As
I said, bit of a new sound, the sort of
multi funk. I've described it as upbeaten infectious. How did
this all come about? Well, apart from the fact that
it's been a busy eighting n so you just wanted
(07:03):
to chew yourself up.
Speaker 3 (07:04):
Well, I think there's definitely something in that. But I've
always I've always enjoyed that kind of because I've always
been a massive like Prince Fan Patrese Russian and you know,
that kind of upbeat sound, great basslines, really great drums.
Drums was my first instrument, so you know, I really
appreciate a good groove. But you know, obviously none of
(07:27):
my previous output has really been that. But it just
felt like the right time to try and reach for
that sound because I've got a great band, we have
an awesome time together. It's so much fun. You know,
we're just like laughing all the time, making stupid jokes
and being idiots together. So it just felt like a
good time to make a fun album and yeah, something
to I mean, don't get me wrong, I love sad songs,
(07:50):
and I've really enjoyed my years of like playing to
sit down rooms and you know, like making people feel feelings.
I do love that as well. But I just felt
like doing something different. I mean, that's just what I'm like.
I don't like to do the same thing over and over,
and even within my music work, it's not like I've
never just been a singer songwriter, you know, I've been producing,
(08:13):
I've been doing lots of collaborations and lots of other
kinds of work. So that's just what I'm like. You know,
it's probably not the best professional choice to me, I
feel like it's better it's easier for marketing purposes if
you just kind of stick to one sound. But I
think there is a common thread having said that.
Speaker 2 (08:31):
Maybe for marketing purposes, but I think your true fans
really actually love it when artists, Yes, I don't just
deliver the same thing over and over again.
Speaker 3 (08:39):
Yeah, there's and there's lots of continuations in there too,
like my voice, my ear for melody, you know, like
everyone's got their own unique way that they like to
phrase things lyrically and melodically and yeah, so things like that.
And I think it's just a bit more upbeat and
collaborative as well, like all of these songs were written
(08:59):
in collaboration. There's lots of great guests, like I think
you played my song with Troy King. Yes, yeah, lots
of great cor right. So it's just been a lot
of fun. And you know, the music industry has changed
a lot, as we were talking about that earlier. But
so I've always said to myself with music, like the
day the cons outweigh the pros is the day that
(09:21):
I will stop doing it, you know. So I have
to find ways to make it fun for myself, because
if it's hard work, then what's the point, you know,
Like there's jobs, plenty of jobs you can do that
are hard work that you know you're not enjoying. So
I need to be enjoying it.
Speaker 2 (09:38):
It's also bilingual. I present. This is a bit of
a natural progression for you. You've been on your today
or journey yourself. So are you at the level when
you can write your own songs in Mari Yeshu?
Speaker 3 (09:51):
I probably could, It wouldn't be easy, like, so, yeah,
I had a Martangado like a a Mardi language expert
working across this whole album and helping with songs. So
sometimes that looked like me right an English lyric or
like a rough idea of one and her translating and
(10:11):
then me getting it back and sort of tweaking things
to make it fit better or sound more like me.
So that in itself is quite a good step that
I have enough to be able to change, you know,
like and work together on it. I probably, yeah, I
could write my own on my own in teor, but
(10:32):
I don't quite have the grasp that I have of
English to be as creative with the probably, so it's
it's valuable to have someone like Ruth, who was my
martagun edel to work with because she's just yeah, has
so much knowledge and so many great cupoo words that
she can kind of throw into the mix. And yeah,
(10:54):
and like I said, it's a collaborative album anyway, so
it just made sense to be doing it with someone else.
Speaker 2 (10:59):
You could have tour this album.
Speaker 3 (11:01):
I hope. So there's no plans at the moment because
you know, like A said before about the long COVID,
it's just not the right time. Yeah, and also, you know,
it's the middle of winter. It's hard to leave the house.
You know, costs a living crisis. You know, it just
didn't feel like the right time to do it right now.
But I'd love to do a few shows over someone
(11:22):
with the band, So yeah, we'll probably work towards.
Speaker 2 (11:25):
That I mentioned before that you've been studying for a
law degree. You're almost at the end of that. What
is the plan for the degree?
Speaker 3 (11:31):
Yeah, I'm in my third year, and if they had
an answer to that question, that would make my life
much easier. I'm not sure yet, but I'm really enjoying
it and doing well in it. And yeah, I think
the problem for me is I find it all very interesting.
So yeah, I'm just waiting for the thing that feels
(11:52):
the most interesting to stand out to me. Yeah, but
you know what I want to do with that, I
don't know. I just I like research in writing, so
maybe academia but I also want to help people with it,
you know, like that.
Speaker 2 (12:10):
I think it's fantastic when people go back and study
at any age. I think we should continue learning it
all in all ages and stages of our lives. Was
what was it that made you go back and study
as an adult?
Speaker 3 (12:21):
I love studying, Like I did a degree when I
was younger, and I really enjoyed that to it. I
did a master's degree in linguistics, which was like super geeky,
but yeah, I loved it. And I always have loved
using my brain in that way anyway. So but specifically
for this, I think it was COVID the lockdowns and stuff,
(12:43):
you know, like when we all had the rug pulled
out from under our feet. That was an interesting time
to be a musician, for sure, and I just had
the time to really think about it. I had been
thinking about it anyway, but I worked with a careers
counselor actually, like which is how gorgeous age I think
I was thirty nine or something. I love it, yeah,
(13:06):
because I had felt like I wanted to try something different.
And it's interesting because I know a lot of artists
around my age who have gone back to study. Yeah,
lots of different things. But anyway, because I've never felt
sure about what to do, so I went through this
really robust process and I figured, well, if I still
feel unsure about it, at least I feel sure about
the process. I got to get to that answer, you know. So,
(13:27):
But yeah, it's been really great. Oh also, my mom
did it. My mum did a law degree when I
started high school and she graduated the year that I
graduated from high school and she's had great career in
law and she's still doing it. So I've had that
modeling there as well.
Speaker 2 (13:42):
Fantastic. Thank you so much for coming in.
Speaker 3 (13:45):
Thank you for having me.
Speaker 2 (13:46):
I hope you enjoyed the album. Oh totally to fucking
me ha fuck on me ha yeah, the appreciation. I love.
It is available on vinyl yes, which is awesome, or
you can you can find it on all streaming platforms
Anna Contington, thank you so much.
Speaker 1 (14:03):
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You're listening to the Sunday Session podcast with Francesca Rudgin
from News Talk SEDB.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
Right, doesn't this make you just feel good? Listening to
this music back in twenty twenty seems like a lifetime ago,
doesn't it. I had kV musician Anna Coddington and for
the release of her album Beams. Now four years later,
there's another album. Just listen to it. It is a
lot of fun and I think it's a bit of
a different sound for Anna. It has been an incredibly
busy eighteen months or so. But on Friday and A
(00:34):
released to fuck O Meha and Anda is with us
here in the studio. Good morning morning. I'll turn your
microphone on. There we go, out, there we go. I
love the way I just I sort of said to you,
I said, God, this is just the album that we
need at the moment. It's upbeat, it's really infectious, it's
really fun and new. See me. Yeah, it's so good.
No feelings now having to write about my feelings, but
they're different kind of feelings, right.
Speaker 3 (00:55):
They are, that's right. Yeah, focusing on the joy. I
suppose reaching for the joy, reaching for the ado hear
and yeah, just trying to really enjoy music.
Speaker 2 (01:06):
Which is so dope. The last eighteen months has been
really full on for you, and if you don't mind,
we might just touch on this because because gosh, it's
just been full on. Of course, you lost your house
in the Anniversary weekend floods, which I'm sure was rather
traumatic because you had to be rescued out of the
second story of your home.
Speaker 3 (01:24):
Yes, we did. We were. Yeah, we were next to
Grayland Park and they had built like a bund around
the park to hold water in the event of flooding,
so that was really effective until it overtopped and came
towards our house kind of like rapids. So at that
point we actually couldn't get out. So yeah, at that
(01:45):
point it wasn't that high in the house, kind of
like knee dep but actually on the ground, it was
just like a torrent of water coming down and we
couldn't get up the driveway, and our neighbors could see
us and they were sort of shouting across, going you
need to get out, you need to get out, and
we were like, we can't, we can't get out, and
so we ended up in the upstairs of our house,
which is where our bedrooms were with the kids, and they, yeah,
(02:10):
jumped in their kayak and came and got us out
of the kid's bedroom window. So it was pretty yeah traumatic,
as you say, Yeah, we lost everything that wasn't in
the bedrooms. Yeah, yeah, both our cars, everything downstairs, a
lot of yeah, a lot of stuff that was pretty upsetting,
like my guitar, my guitar that I bought when I
(02:32):
was about eighteen or something like that. That was a
big one because I can't get the same guitar anymore,
Alara feel one if anyone's got one floating around and
wants to sell it to me. And and our books.
That was the other big loss because I had a
lot of special books that yeah, and then I had
(02:53):
no books apart from the three that were on my
bedside stable. Yeah, but you know, lots of positives. I
suppose we had all our clothes, all our bedding and
things like that that are quite personal to you and
you know, so that was good, and we were able
to run a few things upstairs and save them. And
(03:15):
of course, you know, we had our lives.
Speaker 2 (03:19):
So to say, it's not anyone you've spoken to who's
been the situation that you have has been so taken back,
and how quickly things happen and happened, and how they
suddenly did realize it was if they made the wrong
decision could potentially be very life threatening. So I completely
completely understand that, and I was pleased to see that
you were red stickered, but you got sort of brought
(03:41):
out by the council relatively quickly.
Speaker 3 (03:43):
Yeah, we did, because in a way we were fortunate
it was so bad because it was such a clear
cutcase that the house just can't be there. So yeah,
we're really grateful for that. And also just like their
support we had was just incredible. Just people were so kind.
It was like a human safety man just catching us
and holding us from me with angle. So that was
(04:05):
something pretty unique to experience.
Speaker 2 (04:07):
You know, that's very special. And of course you have
been studying law full time as well. You've got a
couple of charming young men with you here today, your
kids as well. And then you caught COVID which has
turned into long COVID, which I imagine as a singer, as
an artist, is not helpful.
Speaker 3 (04:23):
It has not been helpful all and it was not
helpful that it took me so long to realize that
that's what it was, because I think now I realize
I had it all out last year and I have
no evidence for this, but I don't think it's unrelated
to the flood and losing the house and the stress
of that, Like I think those two things are tied
together somehow. But anyway, it gradually got worse over last year,
(04:48):
and my answer to stress and feeling bad and stuff
has always been running. So I was like trying to
get out and run, but I was just getting so exhausted,
and my capacity for running just got less and less
and less. And then yeah, I finally realized at the
very end of last year that potentially was that. So
I went to my GP and when a sort of
(05:08):
physio and yeah, so got.
Speaker 2 (05:11):
That kind of works the physio been doing. Is that
a breathing work.
Speaker 3 (05:14):
Yeah, she's a breathing physio. So it's all been focused
on that because yeah, it's it's so complicated. There's so
much to it, and there's so many it's all to
do with your autonomic nervous system, which is quite difficult
to consciously control because it's all just the stuff that
happens in your body without you doing anything.
Speaker 2 (05:32):
I imagine you were a good being a singer. You
were a good breath that I went to breathing works,
the breathing physios as well. I'm going, oh yeah, no,
so changed my life. But how amazing because I just
thought I just thought I knew how to breathe.
Speaker 3 (05:44):
Well, everyone apparently everyone has dysfunction of breathing.
Speaker 2 (05:47):
Toil that point, I was just like, how can this
really be a problem. I was using my diaphragm about
twenty percent of the time, yeah, and my upper chest
about eighty percent of the time. And the switch has
been and I have to keep working on it, and
I am still promise Becky, I'm working on it. But
it has been incredible at how it's helped with stress
levels and desire. Yes, my voice normally and various other things.
Speaker 3 (06:10):
That's where I am too. Yeah, And you know, you
don't realize, you think everything's fine until someone points out
that you're breathing really weird and needs to try it.
I'm on that journey too, But yeah, it's not helpful
for singing because my diaphragm obviously got severely weakened over
that year, and the diaphragm is the muscle that you
really need to do powerful singing, so I'm building that
(06:31):
strength back up, but it has been quite tiring to sing,
so yeah, I just need to get some strength back there,
but it's getting there. Yeap. The improvements I'm pleased to
hear that.
Speaker 2 (06:42):
I keep thinking that now that I'm finally using my diaphragm,
my diaphragm might work better and I might actually be
helped to say, oh, surely, no, I can't. I couldn't,
I can't. Let's get back to this fabulous album. As
I said, bit of a new sound, the sort of
multi funk. I've described it as upbeaten infectious. How did
this all come about? Well, apart from the fact that
it's been a busy eighting n so you just wanted
(07:03):
to chew yourself up.
Speaker 3 (07:04):
Well, I think there's definitely something in that. But I've
always I've always enjoyed that kind of because I've always
been a massive like Prince Fan Patrese Russian and you know,
that kind of upbeat sound, great basslines, really great drums.
Drums was my first instrument, so you know, I really
appreciate a good groove. But you know, obviously none of
(07:27):
my previous output has really been that. But it just
felt like the right time to try and reach for
that sound because I've got a great band, we have
an awesome time together. It's so much fun. You know,
we're just like laughing all the time, making stupid jokes
and being idiots together. So it just felt like a
good time to make a fun album and yeah, something
to I mean, don't get me wrong, I love sad songs,
(07:50):
and I've really enjoyed my years of like playing to
sit down rooms and you know, like making people feel feelings.
I do love that as well. But I just felt
like doing something different. I mean, that's just what I'm like.
I don't like to do the same thing over and over,
and even within my music work, it's not like I've
never just been a singer songwriter, you know, I've been producing,
(08:13):
I've been doing lots of collaborations and lots of other
kinds of work. So that's just what I'm like. You know,
it's probably not the best professional choice to me, I
feel like it's better it's easier for marketing purposes if
you just kind of stick to one sound. But I
think there is a common thread having said that.
Speaker 2 (08:31):
Maybe for marketing purposes, but I think your true fans
really actually love it when artists, Yes, I don't just
deliver the same thing over and over again.
Speaker 3 (08:39):
Yeah, there's and there's lots of continuations in there too,
like my voice, my ear for melody, you know, like
everyone's got their own unique way that they like to
phrase things lyrically and melodically and yeah, so things like that.
And I think it's just a bit more upbeat and
collaborative as well, like all of these songs were written
(08:59):
in collaboration. There's lots of great guests, like I think
you played my song with Troy King. Yes, yeah, lots
of great cor right. So it's just been a lot
of fun. And you know, the music industry has changed
a lot, as we were talking about that earlier. But
so I've always said to myself with music, like the
day the cons outweigh the pros is the day that
(09:21):
I will stop doing it, you know. So I have
to find ways to make it fun for myself, because
if it's hard work, then what's the point, you know,
Like there's jobs, plenty of jobs you can do that
are hard work that you know you're not enjoying. So
I need to be enjoying it.
Speaker 2 (09:38):
It's also bilingual. I present. This is a bit of
a natural progression for you. You've been on your today
or journey yourself. So are you at the level when
you can write your own songs in Mari Yeshu?
Speaker 3 (09:51):
I probably could, It wouldn't be easy, like, so, yeah,
I had a Martangado like a a Mardi language expert
working across this whole album and helping with songs. So
sometimes that looked like me right an English lyric or
like a rough idea of one and her translating and
(10:11):
then me getting it back and sort of tweaking things
to make it fit better or sound more like me.
So that in itself is quite a good step that
I have enough to be able to change, you know,
like and work together on it. I probably, yeah, I
could write my own on my own in teor, but
(10:32):
I don't quite have the grasp that I have of
English to be as creative with the probably, so it's
it's valuable to have someone like Ruth, who was my
martagun edel to work with because she's just yeah, has
so much knowledge and so many great cupoo words that
she can kind of throw into the mix. And yeah,
(10:54):
and like I said, it's a collaborative album anyway, so
it just made sense to be doing it with someone else.
Speaker 2 (10:59):
You could have tour this album.
Speaker 3 (11:01):
I hope. So there's no plans at the moment because
you know, like A said before about the long COVID,
it's just not the right time. Yeah, and also, you know,
it's the middle of winter. It's hard to leave the house.
You know, costs a living crisis. You know, it just
didn't feel like the right time to do it right now.
But I'd love to do a few shows over someone
(11:22):
with the band, So yeah, we'll probably work towards.
Speaker 2 (11:25):
That I mentioned before that you've been studying for a
law degree. You're almost at the end of that. What
is the plan for the degree?
Speaker 3 (11:31):
Yeah, I'm in my third year, and if they had
an answer to that question, that would make my life
much easier. I'm not sure yet, but I'm really enjoying
it and doing well in it. And yeah, I think
the problem for me is I find it all very interesting.
So yeah, I'm just waiting for the thing that feels
(11:52):
the most interesting to stand out to me. Yeah, but
you know what I want to do with that, I
don't know. I just I like research in writing, so
maybe academia but I also want to help people with it,
you know, like that.
Speaker 2 (12:10):
I think it's fantastic when people go back and study
at any age. I think we should continue learning it
all in all ages and stages of our lives. Was
what was it that made you go back and study
as an adult?
Speaker 3 (12:21):
I love studying, Like I did a degree when I
was younger, and I really enjoyed that to it. I
did a master's degree in linguistics, which was like super geeky,
but yeah, I loved it. And I always have loved
using my brain in that way anyway. So but specifically
for this, I think it was COVID the lockdowns and stuff,
(12:43):
you know, like when we all had the rug pulled
out from under our feet. That was an interesting time
to be a musician, for sure, and I just had
the time to really think about it. I had been
thinking about it anyway, but I worked with a careers
counselor actually, like which is how gorgeous age I think
I was thirty nine or something. I love it, yeah,
(13:06):
because I had felt like I wanted to try something different.
And it's interesting because I know a lot of artists
around my age who have gone back to study. Yeah,
lots of different things. But anyway, because I've never felt
sure about what to do, so I went through this
really robust process and I figured, well, if I still
feel unsure about it, at least I feel sure about
the process. I got to get to that answer, you know. So,
(13:27):
But yeah, it's been really great. Oh also, my mom
did it. My mum did a law degree when I
started high school and she graduated the year that I
graduated from high school and she's had great career in
law and she's still doing it. So I've had that
modeling there as well.
Speaker 2 (13:42):
Fantastic. Thank you so much for coming in.
Speaker 3 (13:45):
Thank you for having me.
Speaker 2 (13:46):
I hope you enjoyed the album. Oh totally to fucking
me ha fuck on me ha yeah, the appreciation. I love.
It is available on vinyl yes, which is awesome, or
you can you can find it on all streaming platforms
Anna Contington, thank you so much.
Speaker 1 (14:03):
Thank you for more from the Sunday session with Francesca Rudkin.
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