Full Show Podcast: 30 June 2024

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Speaker 1 (00:06):
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Speaker 2 (00:36):
Good morning and welcome to the Sunday Session on this
long Martiki holiday weekend.

Speaker 3 (00:41):
Happy Martadi here. I hope the weekend is going well
for you.

Speaker 2 (00:44):
We've got a great show lined up for you this morning.
A new series of The Traitors kicks off on three
and three now tomorrow night, and it's gregarious. Host Paul
Henry joins me after ten to talk about the show,
which I think is better than the first. We're going
to talk about life as a semi retired gym maker,
becoming a grandfather in politics, life is never dull in
Paul Henry land and after eleven, Anna Cottington is a

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studio to talk about her upbeaten, infectious multi funk album
that she released on Friday. So got some good sounds
coming away this morning as well. Also this hour, we
talk to an aviation expert about the increasing incidents of
extreme turbulence and how worried we should be about it
and of course most welcome to it. Touch base let

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two ninety two.

Speaker 4 (01:32):
It's this Sunday session.

Speaker 2 (01:36):
So twenty twenty four is a fascinating year for democracy.
With more than eighty countries holding elections, it is the
biggest election year in global history, so roughly half the
world's population will have the opportunity to cast a vote
in local, regional, legislative or presidential elections. Democracy is being
tested as countries deal with voter apathy, attempts to suppress

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opposition groups, and the impact of sophisticated disinformation campaigns. Many
of these election results are not just important locally, the
impact will be felt across the world's complicated web of
geopolitical linkages, issues, and tensions. Elections have already been held
in places such as South Africa and India and Taiwan

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with interesting results, and this Thursday, the UK goes to
the polls, where it's predicted the Labor Party will return
to number ten for the first time in fourteen years.
But the big show, the one capturing global audiences, is
the US presidential election, which doesn't even take place until November.
Even if you didn't watch the Trump Biden debate on

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Friday afternoon, you've surely heard about it. After twenty minutes
watching Biden stumble his way through answers with a frail
voice and meandering train of thought, and looking at his
podium as though desperately seeking answers or direction, I felt
uncomfortable watching this train wreck and could feel the panic
rising within the Democratic Party. From my couch in Auckland.

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We knew what this debate would be in Heartwood Unfold.
We knew it would involve the current president defending his record,
attacking his opponent's character, and most importantly, confirming his mental acuity.
Biden's team called this debate and set the rules. Struggling
in the polls and constantly having to answer concerns about
his age and ability to lead for another four years,

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they decided to debate early and calm all those fears.
So it all came down to performance and delivery. Neither
candidate Sean. Trump's performance was full of bluster and inaccuracies.
He struggled to answer questions and at time made no sense.
But Biden had an even worse day. This has sent

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the Democratic Party into a spin and rightly. So if
you weren't concerned about Biden's mental capacity a couple of
days ago, you surely are now. Post Friday's debate, President
Biden and his team have been doing everything they can
to demonstrate he still has the energy and capacity to lead.
But the damage is done. Biden the job to beat
Trump in the November election largely because he's done it before.

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The Democrats may need to widen the job requirements. Replacing
Biden on the ticket is not something the Democrats will
do lightly, and it can only be done if Biden
steps down, but surely it must be done.

Speaker 4 (04:24):
Now the Sunday session.

Speaker 2 (04:28):
So it is a huge risk to keep Joe. It's
a huge risk to replace him on the ticket. They
should replace him, but I don't think they will. I'm
keen to hear your thoughts. Ninety two ninety two. Reportedly,
Joe Biden has been told he's got over a week
to win over the Democrats or they will move to Alstom.
Not entirely sure whether that is accurate or not. It's
going to be really interesting to see what happens. So

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we're going to head to the States next to find
out where the Democrats are at with this dilemma. It
is eleven past nine. You with Newstalk SPB.

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Speaker 2 (05:08):
To have you with us. It's fourteen past nine on
news Talk ZDB. As I just mentioned, the fallout continues
across the US following Friday's disastrous debate for the standing
President Joe Biden. The Democrats are now in damage control
to talk us through it all. US correspondent don't Dan
Mitchison joins me. Now, Good morning Dan.

Speaker 5 (05:25):
Good morning. Francesca Hey took.

Speaker 2 (05:27):
Me through the reaction to Friday's debate.

Speaker 5 (05:29):
Well, I think the best line was one that I
was just reading earlier today that was from the Washington
Posts Associate editor Bob Woodward, and I think this kind
of encompasses everything. He said that this debate performance was
a political hydrogen bomb, and I think that's a great
way of describing it. But I also think the surprising
thing is that everyone is talking about this now after

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this one ninety minute debate, when the signs have been
there for Joe Biden for the past couple of years.

Speaker 2 (05:58):
Is that assignment of actually how good his team is
around him, how they've managed to, you know, to kind
of to reassure us no, no, no, there is nothing to
be worried about. But this time there was just nothing
they could do.

Speaker 4 (06:13):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (06:13):
I think, in fact, it's not even a team. Somebody
called it employees that he has working for him, because
it's a very close number of people, mostly family and friends,
including his wife, Joe Biden, doctor Joe Biden, and then
he basically has the final say. But they've done a

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fantastic job. And I've spoken with an interview I don't
know countless some of the top Democrats across the country,
and each time they've told me the behind closed doors,
they don't think Joe Biden is up for this job
mentally or physically. And yet they don't want Kamala Harris
to step in. They don't think she has the star
power or the experience to take over from Biden. But

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apparently nobody advisors and that's what they're supposed to be doing,
stepped up, and we're willing to tell Joe Biden this
face to face.

Speaker 2 (07:05):
Dinnah, it's this blibly, but I think that a lot
of people are curious as to why the American people
have ended up with the choice of these two nominees.

Speaker 5 (07:18):
I think that is probably the best question you could ask,
and it's one that I am disappointed in with both
parties and that I've been vocal about. I don't think
anybody has anyone to blame but themselves for the situation
that we're in. I don't think Republicans can't point fingers
at anybody else because they're the one that got Donald
Trump back here. Democrats certainly can't point fingers because there

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are a few people out there. The Democrats and the
Republicans don't have a deep bench right now. As we saw,
Pete Budajeedge, who's Secretary of Transportation Iran four years ago,
didn't make it something he's in the future. Gavin Newsom,
governor of California, fifth largest economy in the world, is
likely going to run in twenty twenty eight, and if
you were asking me right now, he is certainly the

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front runner. But it's the voter that that got us
to where we are. And I don't know why you
would put us in this situation right now, because, as
you said earlier, these elections. They don't just affect the
country that you're in, whether it's here or India or
the UK coming up, but these these elections affect everybody
around the world.

Speaker 2 (08:23):
How worried did the Democrats?

Speaker 5 (08:24):
Dan, I think they're I think they're very worried. I mean,
you have to admit. The next day, Joe Biden got
up and he admitted, you know, I don't move like
I used to, and I don't speak, and I don't
debate like I do. And then he went on the
attack about but I tell the truth. I think they're
going to have to make a decision fast. Who who

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who would you bring in? Would you bring in Kamala Harris?
She pulls worse than Joe Biden does against Donald Trump
right now? And then again you have to ask yourself,
would the Democratic Party deny giving the nomination though to
the first woman, the first Black American, the first South
Asian American to be elected VP. That's kind of a
I mean, that's kind of hard to see at this point.

Speaker 2 (09:08):
It's quite a pickle, isn't it, Dan.

Speaker 5 (09:11):
It is, especially when you realize, and you hate to
say this, but it boils down to money. And right now,
lawmakers in Washington, d C. And mister Biden's attending a
couple of fundraisers and rallies today. They're getting, you know,
texts and calls and emails from lawmakers who who fear
that Biden's weakness could cost the party the House and

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the Senate seats in November. And if you don't have
the backing of these these big money donors, you're not
going to get a fair chance in the race going
up against somebody like Donald Trump, because every time something
comes out against him, his backers seem to rally around
him even tighter, and he seems to do better in
the polls and better when it comes to fundraising.

Speaker 2 (09:54):
So, Dan, can the Democratic Party remove him from the
ticket or does he need to steep down?

Speaker 5 (09:59):
No, he really would need to be the one to make,
you know, make this decision. I mean, could he be
forced out? He could. It would be unlikely though, and
you'd have lawsuits. It would be a mess summer. Say well,
what about the twenty fifth Amendment that we have, which
would allow the vice president and the cabinet to say
that President Biden cannot perform these duties of office. But

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if that were to happen and I don't see that happening.
It's never happened before. I mean, the power would be
transferred to the vice president. She would serve as acting president.
She would still have to run against Donald Trump in November.
So Kamala Harris is not, no matter how you look
at this, an automatic shoe in. Not to mention that
when you get together for the convention in a couple

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of months and in August, you have to win the
majority of the delegates, just like any other candidates. So
she would have to get the majority of delegates who
have put their time and their money and their voice
behind Biden and get them over to her. And they
may say, we don't think you can do it, and
go for somebody else.

Speaker 2 (11:01):
I can't see Biden steeping down just because he is
somebody who's prided himself on stepping up when dealing with
tragedies or setbacks. You know, that's something that he prides
himself on. It's sort of you know, would go against
this sort of personal and political instincts, wouldn't it to
say yep okay, yep okay, bad debate, I'll step away.

Speaker 5 (11:24):
It is and that's when you think that the person
is more important. Than the party or the country, and
no one person is more important than the office or
the party or the country. And you can't tell Donald
Trump that. I mean, nobody's going to come up and
say you should step aside and let somebody younger or

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somebody that could bring the left and the right together,
and you know, just sort of do what you're going
to do outside of the office. And somebody should have
said to Joe Biden, Look, you know, Joe or mister
Biden or President, You've served your country. You've done this
for fifty, you know, sixty plus years. It's time to
let somebody else take over and you rest. And that
would have been a good way to have gone out

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on a high note, even if his you know, popularity
and his ratings aren't as high as they once were
when he came into office. Now this is always going
to be a little asterisk by his name no matter
the outcome.

Speaker 3 (12:17):
He has responded with some inagesient performances post the debate.
Are they reassuring people?

Speaker 5 (12:22):
You know, Biden has good days and Biden has bad days.
And the day after he came on and he was
on stage and you know, they were playing that was
a Chumbawamba song. I think that was it. I get
knocked down, but I get up again. And you know,
you saw Joe Biden up there, and he has some energy.
But you watch him on stage walking around, and you

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watch him when he meets with leaders, and he doesn't
do many press conferences or interviews with anybody. And there's
a reason why. And we know this. And even Donald
Trump during that debate when he came on stage, I
thought he looked very tired. I thought he looked very subdued.
I didn't think this was the Trump that we were
kind of expecting. I don't know why. Maybe he was

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just sort of playing at low key and his advisor said, hey,
you know what, let's try something a little different this
time and see how that goes.

Speaker 2 (13:13):
How have Trump and the Republicans react? Did ad They
just sitting there with a ball of popcorn, just watching
the show unfold.

Speaker 5 (13:18):
Oh, I think, so, yeah, you know this is what
they're They've been saying, we told you, we told you,
and and you know, to be fair, they're right in
this case. You know, you can't complain that the National
news has chopped up video clips to make Biden look bad.
In this case, you had ninety minutes with you know,

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one camera and only two commercial breaks on this debate
with only two people on the stage. And I also
wondered too if if not having an audience in the
in this debate, if that helped or hurt both candidates,
because I think we know Donald Trump feeds off that,
he loves that, and I wonder if that would have

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given Joe Biden a little bit more energy as well.
So it'll be interesting to see if when the next
debate is held in a couple of months on ABC,
if they decide to go the same way or if
they decided to bring in an audience as we've seen
in the past.

Speaker 2 (14:14):
We've heard awful lot from the commentators and through the
media about what they thought about the debate, But what
about just the general feeling amongst Americans heading into the selection.

Speaker 5 (14:26):
I think the debate was by the first ten minutes
it was over. I think everybody was just I thought
the moderators did a fairly good job. Some people didn't
quite like the ability to turn the opponent's mike off.
But you know, it gets so frustrating hearing people talk

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over one another because you can't hear what the other
person's saying, I think we hit a low bar, especially
with some of the comments made when you're talking about
a candidate sex life and you're talking about the fact
that you have a felon on the stage. There were
a couple of good barbs back and forth. But if
you had asked me this ten years ago, would we

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ever be in this place looking at a debate like this?
I would have said no, No, I mean, the office
is above this. But it's not. I mean, this is
just like local politics. And it feels like sometimes.

Speaker 3 (15:21):
Dan, really good to catch up with you. Thank you
for your time, especially in the weekend. That was US
correspondent Dan Mitchinson. Somebody techs to say, you know, getting
Biden to step step down, it's like telling your elderly
parents they can't drive anymore.

Speaker 2 (15:33):
It's very good. Can you hear from you? If you
watched that debate and it's a little bit like me,
you were sitting there going, what on earth am I watching? This?
Is not how any of this was going to play out?
And then just that watching Biden, who just looked like
a Darren Headlights didn't he as it all sort of
crumbled around. King to hear your thoughts. Do you think
he can come back from it?

Speaker 6 (15:55):
Don't?

Speaker 2 (15:56):
I think it's just going to be too hard and
too tricky to replace him. They should, but I think
it's going to be too hard, and I think they'll
stick with them. Ken to your thoughts, and of course
this week all eyes are on the UK's they head
to the polls. Was else should be rolling in Friday?
Our time? Many in the UK are also asking that question,
aren't they? Are you too the best we've got? When
they look at the leaders of the two main parties,

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Labor looks though like it will reconquer number ten by landslide.
They enjoy a leader of around twenty points in the
polls and that gap shows no sign of closing. But
this is of course raising concerns. Since the outcome looks
like a dune deal. People won't hit out and votes.
It's going to be interesting to see how it all
pans out at the end of the week. We've got
some local politics for your next twenty six past nine

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news talks ATB.

Speaker 1 (16:42):
It's the Sunday session with Francesca Rudkin on NEWSTALGSTB.

Speaker 2 (16:48):
Time to talk politics now and I'm joined by New
Zealand Herald political reporter Adam Pierce, good morning, Good morning, Hey.
The government's quarterly action Plan ends today and we'll have
a quick talk about that in a moment and see
how many boxes have been ticked. But a part of
this is the issue of a new Government Policy Statement
on health setting the government's priorities for the health system

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for the next three years. I know that you have
covered this off in the New Zealand Herald today in
great depth, wondering if you could just sort of summarize
it for us a little bit.

Speaker 7 (17:19):
Yes, Well, it's essentially how the government is going to
spend about eighty five billion dollars over the next three years,
which is of course quite a bit of money. It's
one of their biggest spends obviously in health. So key
or central to the GPS that was released today as
some new mental health and addiction targets. Obviously we've had

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some health targets around e d wait times and faster
cancer access. However, we do have some mental health ones today.
So they include eighty percent of people accessing specialists and
primary mental health services being seen within three weeks, which
is pretty quick obviously, something that's not happening at the moment.
It's also around work, also training five hundred mental health

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and addiction professionals each year, and also a focus on
prevention and early interventions, so kind of not ambulance at
the bottom of the cliffs stuff, so allocating twenty five
percent of mental health and addiction investment towards that prevention.

Speaker 8 (18:19):
And early intervention measures.

Speaker 7 (18:20):
So we were unable to talk with Mental Health Minister
Matt Ducy. However, did get a chance to have a
chat with the Health Minister, doctor Shane Herbertty, and he
said that while they were ambitious, it wasn't These targets
wouldn't have been suggested if they didn't think that they
could hit them. So it'll be a big effort. It'll
take quite a bit of that spin to be able
to achieve them. But I know you know that we

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many listeners knowing who know that mental health services in
this country are pretty poor and need a lot of improvement.
So he is hoping that they can achieve them.

Speaker 2 (18:51):
Yeah, it all sounds good. Just a quick question. I
don't know if they've released the details on this. Eighty
percent of people accessing specialist mental health and addiction services
being seen within three weeks. That's great, but you need
to then be assessed and then treated.

Speaker 9 (19:08):
You know.

Speaker 2 (19:09):
That's not necessarily saying that treatment's going to start, is it.
It's basically means you're in the system, you're going to
be ceased, but they can't guarantee that they're going to
be able to actually start treatment with you.

Speaker 5 (19:21):
No.

Speaker 7 (19:21):
No, And so that's the other thing, right, it's about
following on from this. I can imagine the government will
be saying, Loo, look, we just need to get people
seen first of all. If they can get that, then
it goes on to treatment. Obviously. You know they've got
measures like their twenty four million into Gunbent Friday, which
is about seeing particularly young people getting assessed and hopefully

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going along that treatment journey. But yeah, as I say,
there'll be many listeners out there who will know that
getting treatment for mental health issues levelone, just getting seen
takes much too long.

Speaker 2 (19:53):
We'll keep an eye on that. Adam, you've been in
Gisbon most of this week. Why do a mayor wants
a government inquiry? Tell us about this?

Speaker 7 (20:01):
Yeah, it's been really sad to see you know again,
heavy and strong weather impacting the likes of wild Or
and along the East coast, I mean being from Hawks Bay,
you know, and after cyclone Gabriel's it's pretty tough to see,
you know, hundreds of people being displaced from their homes
and wide All has been hit pretty hard in particular.

(20:21):
I mean I've been and GI's been since since about Wednesday,
and it's it almost felt like it was just going
to never stop raining. And that was you know, that
was even a couple of days after the kind of
heavy rain started, So the trauma is still very fresh
for people. I think we saw that as Emergency Minister
Mitchell was going around talking to people, particularly in wide Or.
You know, people are breaking down in tears, people getting

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angry about why this was still happening and the government
wasn't intervening. I know there's some there's some claims that
that council have failed in terms of clearing a sand
bar before the before the rain hit. But anyway, I
know that Mark Mitchell has said that they'll discuss the
matter at Cabinet on Monday, and it's likely, you know,
they might be able to find a few million dollars
where they'll be able to help the clean up and all.

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So lock at a bit of an inquiry. I can
imagine it would be probably more short and sharp rather
than a full government inquiry that Craig Little is calling for. However,
it will be something that obviously will look to help
the people are wide or along the East coast. But
you know, again, it's just another thing that they've had
to deal with, you know Cyclone Gabriel, you know the
amount of times that they are having to deal with it,

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and things are still not getting folks. It's just adding
to the frustration.

Speaker 2 (21:33):
And if we go back to the government's quarterly action Plan,
will the Prime Minister be happy with what he's achieved,
what the team's achieved.

Speaker 7 (21:41):
Yeah, I mean, I think if there's one thing you
can guarantee about Prime Minister of Christopher Luxem that were
usually be very positive about his government's actions and how
he's been able to deliver on them. He's all about
the deliverables and the outcomes. It will be interesting to
see how many of the targets I suppose, of the
items and the Q two plan we have actually tacked off.

(22:04):
It's unclear whether we've got through all of them. But
there's also some of those items aren't ones that we
would necessarily hear about you know, some of the items
there are about taking decisions on things like renewable energy
generation and plans for housing growth. So we haven't heard
announcements on those yet. But you know, it's possible that
cabinet has taken decisions, but we just haven't heard about

(22:28):
it yet. So I understand that we won't. We won't
hear a lot about that today from Luxon. He'll be
speaking this morning, likely to be talking about the changes
that are coming in tomorrow, so like the scrapping of
the regional fuel tax, which will take eleven point five
cents off per leader if Auckland is and also the
introduction of Family Boost early childcare, education tax rebate increases

(22:52):
the paper and he'll leave. He'll be looking to show
how that's going to ease the cost of living. However,
it sounds like Monday's postcare press conference will all be
about Q two, what they've achieved, if there's any that
they haven't, there's still some that are ongoing, so Yar'd
advised listeners to keep in touch and to make sure
that they're listening on Monday afternoon to see how Q

(23:13):
two has actually gone.

Speaker 2 (23:14):
Thank you, so much, Adam, and if you'd like more
information on the health GPS, you'll be able to find
Adam's article at New Zealand Herald dot co dot NZ.

Speaker 1 (23:24):
Sunday with Style the Sunday Session with Francesca Rudkin and
Wiggles for the best selection of Greg Reeds Please talk zebby.

Speaker 2 (23:33):
Do I forget they're coming up here on the Sunday
Session After ten, we have got Paul Henry joining us.
He's got a new season of The Traders kicking off
tomorrow night. Now it feels like we are increasingly seeing
headlines around flying, the likes of turbulence and lightning strikes
impacting aircraft. Talking to a former aviation engineer recently, he
admitted that he now thinks twice about flying. So I

(23:53):
wanted to dig into this further. What is going on
and how safe is flying these days? Sean Prushnicki is
a former airline pilot and airline excellent investigator and assistant
professor at Ohio State University Center for Aviations. That is,
he is the man we need to speak to. And
Shawt is with me now, Good morning, good morning, talk
me through what we are seeing with these extreme cases

(24:15):
of turbulence. What's causing it?

Speaker 10 (24:17):
It's really hard to say, you know, the scientists seem
kind of divided over this. The climatologists say that it's
because of global warming, and they have lots of information
that seems to support this, but there's other groups of
scientists that say, no, that's not the case. That's just
not enough data to support this. So the scientists are divided.

(24:38):
It's really hard, you know, quite the quandary here to
figure out exactly what's causing this. But there does seem
to be an.

Speaker 3 (24:44):
Uptick in this, Okay, so I want you to This
is probably a bit of myth busting for me. I've
been told that planes are flying higher because the higher
they fly, the less fuel they use, hence the more
prone to clear air turbulence.

Speaker 10 (25:02):
So there is definitely a myth there, and I quite
actually haven't people reporting that. So some of that's true
and some of that's not. So let's kind of tear
that apart. Let's talk about that. So it is true
that the higher airplanes fly, the less fuel they use
because the engines are more efficient at the higher altitudes.

(25:24):
That's why jets do not fly at twenty something thousand feet.
We fly up in the thirties and high thirties if
we can. However, it doesn't mean that we're necessarily getting
above turbulence by doing that. Sometimes we are, but sometimes
there's worse turbulence higher up. The bottom line is that

(25:45):
we can't always predict clear air turbulence, and sometimes it's
actually worse up at the higher altitudes. We need to
come down a little bit. When I was an airline pilot,
we would get reports. Sometimes we would get what we
called ride. We listen on the frequencies and they would
report that sometimes it's a bad ride, about five thousand

(26:07):
or thirty seven thousand. So you would hear everybody that's
coming up on that area asking for lower altitudes. You know,
we want to go to thirty two or thirty three
or thirty one thousand to avoid that. And then sometimes
you just the opposite. It's a really bad right at
thirty one or thirty two, and then all of us
are asking me to go up a little higher. So
higher is better as far as fuel burn, but it's

(26:28):
not for shorter flights. It's not a tremendous amount of difference.
So it's kind of this trade off, right it's this,
you know, you want to go a little bit higher
to save fuel burn, especially on the longer flight. Shorter flights,
it's not much of a difference, but the tremendously long
flights thirteen fourteen, twelve hours, sure it can make a

(26:49):
little bit of a difference. But there's a lot of
factors to take into account right before we make those decisions.

Speaker 2 (26:57):
Clearia, turbulence is it It's obviously difficult to predict.

Speaker 10 (27:03):
Very much, so, okay, Anne wis And what's interesting about
that is sometimes it is predicted. So when we get
our what we call our weather packets, our weather info,
and I have seen it predicted in there when I
have received my packets back when I was flying for
the airlines, and they'll say that, you know, but there's
certain altitudes and forecasters, depending on the different fronts, and

(27:26):
you know, the way the weather is, they can sometimes
predict that. Now, so what they'll do is they'll flight
plan us, the dispatchers of the folks that plan out
all the flights for us, they'll flight plant us at
lower altitudes in those areas. Now, what I have seen
is I've been in those areas. And then you'll hear

(27:47):
people talk about how it's actually a smoother ride up there,
that it just it didn't pan out. So then all
of us want to go higher to get a better ride,
especially when there's a stronger tail wind. Right, because we
get up higher, there's a stronger tailwind that our ground speed,
our speed over the ground is higher, so we're going
over the ground fast there, so we get to where
we're going sooner. So everybody likes that, right passengers, You know,

(28:12):
we don't like it as passengers obviously when we get
there late, but everyone likes it when we get there early.
So sometimes it's forecast and now I have experienced before
as an airline pilots where no forecast whatsoever, no one's
talking about bad ride reports. And I've experienced severe air
turbulence once in my career where it was completely smooth,

(28:36):
nothing was going on. It was early in the morning,
the sun was coming up, it was a beautiful sunrise,
and then just all of a sudden, out of nowhere,
the airplane almost went out of control. It just went
from completely smooth to extremely violent. And we were very
lucky that I still had the seatbelt sign on because
we were fairly late in the climb and I told
Wes tended to keep the seatbelt sign on until we

(28:58):
leveled off, and fortunately everyone was still seated. But if
people had been up walking around with the severees, that
was definitely would have had entries.

Speaker 2 (29:07):
Sean, what does the turbulance do to an aircraft? It
can't be good in terms of damage.

Speaker 6 (29:15):
So if it's.

Speaker 10 (29:16):
Severe enough, yes, Now, what people don't realize is that
these airplanes are extremely robust, extremely strong, so they can
handle a tremendous amount of turbulence. The airplanes that we
have nowadays, these airplanes do not get into severe turbulence
and break and fall apart. I know there are a

(29:37):
lot of nervous flyers out there, and there are people
that when they see the wings bouncing up and down right,
they think a wing's going to snap off, and that's
really just not the case. We do not see those
types of events. So when there is damage from really
extreme turbulence, it's in the cabin, like the pictures we've

(30:00):
seen right with the overhead bends that crack and come down.
So it's that type of internal damage. And when they're
there is severe turbulence, they have to undergo maintenance checks
where there's certain areas of the airplane that check to
see if there's any small cracks anywhere, not large cracks
where a wing's going to follow off, the tail's going
to break off. Those are the things they find. But

(30:21):
there's certain areas where they have to go find to
see if they see anse small cracks that have started
because of that tribunus. Usually they don't find them, but
they're required by regulations to go look for them. So
usually the damage is cosmetic on the interior part of
the aircraft. It's amazing the amount of turbulence that an

(30:41):
airplane can handle. And there's actually one little fun fact
I want to throw in there to we teach a
class here to o Hio State out at the airport
for people that are nervous flyers, and the one thing
that we always bring up and I show them a
video and your listeners can go find this on YouTube
where they do the structural testing of new airplanes and
it's fascinating videos to watch where they do the wing

(31:06):
break test. And for anyone that's out there listening that's
been nervous when they see the wings bounce, that's actually
a good thing because you want that energy to be dissipated,
so you know, some bounce out there is a good thing.
And what you're going to see when you watch that
video is they pull the wing tips up until the
wings snaps. And what's amazing is those wingtips come up

(31:28):
almost ninety degrees before they break.

Speaker 2 (31:31):
That is good to note. Tell me what about lightning.
What happens to a plane when it's hit by lightning.

Speaker 10 (31:38):
So what's amazing is these airplanes are actually designed to
take a lightning strike. There are things on the airplane,
little design features that you may or may or may
not have noticed on the airplanes. They're pretty small, so
most fliers probably have not noticed them. If people have
ever seen, the little little pieces will look like a

(32:00):
metal hanging off the ends of the wings. On the
trailing end of the wing. They're called static wicks. Those
play a role in that. And there's several little of
the design features. So they're actually designed to take a
lightning strike. I myself have been hit by lightning several times.
In fact, most of the time when airplanes are hit
by lightning, we don't even know it as crew members. Now,

(32:23):
sometimes it can be pretty obvious, but most of the
time it's not even that obvious. In fact, usually the
way we find out as pilots, you know, we always
do our post flight walk around. You always check the
airplane just to make sure you know, you know nothing,
you know, everything seems normal. Is you'll find a burn
mark on the side of the airplane or something where
the lightning bolt exited. And that's usually a lot of

(32:45):
times your first indication that you were struck by lightning
is that you'll find that.

Speaker 5 (32:51):
So the so.

Speaker 10 (32:54):
Usually it's not a big deal. Most of the time
you don't even know you've been hit by lightning. The
most common thing that we see as pilots, if we
are going to see something with all of the you know,
glass cockpit airplanes, right although TV screens that we have,
sometimes you'll see those flicker. That's usually from a pilot's
perspective of the cockpit. That's what you'll see with the

(33:15):
lightning flash that's kind of in your face outside and
see the screens flicker. That's usually a pretty good sign
that you've been struck by lightning. Other than that, not
a whole lot more really tends to happen. They're very
well designed to take lightning yeats.

Speaker 2 (33:30):
Sean Preschniki, thank you so much for your time this morning.
Really appreciate it. Well, that's kind of reassuring, isn't it.
What we've learned there is that we don't know exactly
why we're experiencing extreme turbulence. But I do take some
reassurance in the strength of the planes. Just keep you
seek beut on as the outcome. I think, but interested
to hear if you are slightly more reluctant to fly

(33:52):
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Speaker 2 (34:50):
Thank you very much for your feedback this hour morning. Francesca,
regarding the US debate, which I watched half of it,
reminded me of a local situation we had with Mayor
shad Bolt, someone who'd done good work for the region
but needed to be advised by those close to him
when to say when you think you're right, there can't. Hi, Francesca,
I'm really surprised that your correspondent mention Hillary Clinton, who's

(35:11):
waiting in the wings to become Madam President as she
thought in twenty sixteen. I suspect Joe Biden's handlers didn't
give him his performance enhancing pills. This time, perhaps the opposite,
to deliberately bring this to a head. Wait and watch, yeah,
we are Linay. I mean, it's it's not just entertainment.
This election. It kind of is providing us with some entertainment.

(35:33):
But it's not because as much as we might not
have to live with the direct consequences of who wins
the presidential election, as I mentioned earlier, you know who
was running the United States does reach far and wide
with that impact fail to gain you know, around the
world with Joe political issues and tensions and things. So

(35:54):
it is of a concern for all of us. But
it's a little bit entertaining, isn't it. Was it appropriate
and other texta rights for the bidens in a circle
to cover up his incapacity for so long and put
the US in this position. And I think it's exact
what Dan was saying, wasn't he He was just saying,
it's on them. They have you know, he has been protected,

(36:14):
said he can do it, wanted to do it, but
maybe the right conversations won't be had, or maybe the
right people weren't going into the room to have those
conversations to sort of maybe get an honest answer out
of it. So thank you very much for your feedback there. Hey, look,
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Speaker 2 (39:27):
Since he left broadcasting in twenty sixteen, Paul Henry has
been lapping up semi retirement. You know, luxury, yachts, palm springs,
plenty of gin, but one Tally show seems to be
getting in the way of outright retirement for Paul. Season
two of the Traders New Zealand is out tomorrow on
three and three Now, and Paul Henry has been lured
back to host the show. He is worth me now
from somewhere in Northland. Good morning, Good to have you

(39:50):
with us.

Speaker 8 (39:51):
Good good morning, Francesca. It's lovely to be here. I'm
talking to you from that. It's not quite sunny yet,
but it will be sunny very soon in the Kuiper.

Speaker 2 (40:00):
Have you ordered the Sun? Have you have you ordered
it to pop out?

Speaker 9 (40:03):
It?

Speaker 2 (40:03):
Sort of?

Speaker 8 (40:05):
Yeah, I ordered it for half an hour ago, so
something slipped.

Speaker 2 (40:10):
So were you lured back or was it a no
brainer for you to come back and do the Traitors?

Speaker 8 (40:15):
You know, it completely fitted into too. When I retired,
I said I will never again do daily, weekly or
monthly commitments, but if I said, if the right project
comes along, then I'll consider it. And when I was
offered Traitors last year, I mean, it was just obviously
the right project. It was like a month solid work,

(40:36):
all care, no responsibility. The franchise was just so good
to be able to be at the beginning of something
like that, you know, a new breed of reality television
was just too good an opportunity to turn down, and
then there's that whole concealious thing like I don't know
about you, but you always think, you know, well, I'll

(40:59):
never be able to afford to do that again, or
you know, so this is a oner. And then it
comes around the next year, and I knew that we
were going to make it better, bigger and better the
next year for a range of reasons, and so I
just had to do it.

Speaker 2 (41:12):
No celebs this time, and no offense to the people
that turned up on season one, but I really like it.

Speaker 8 (41:18):
Oh no, you're right, you're right, you know. I was
a little disappointed that we had celebrities in season one.
The American franchise only has celebrities. The British franchise never
have celebrities, and it is a much better program for it.
And so I was thrilled this year that we were

(41:39):
having no celebrities, because the thing is, the audience get
to know the players as the players get to know
each other, and there's a certain magic in that. You
know that, and they become immersed in the game much
more quickly because they're not looking over their shoulders at
their persona to make sure that what they're doing doesn't
adversely affect their brand.

Speaker 2 (42:02):
Now, I couldn't agree more. It's filled with a very
colorful and interesting bund is really fun to get to
know them. Hey, does strategy actually matter in this game?
Because it looks like a lot of people overthinking things?

Speaker 8 (42:14):
To me, God, that is such a good question. That
is such a good question. And this time, a lot
of these people that we've got, they're obviously fans of
the show, fans of the format, which is why they applied.
And so they spent a lot of time watching overseas
programs and forming strategies. And the answer is, like with

(42:35):
so many things in life, you have to be true
to yourself. If you are playing a strategy, just remembering
that it's like acting rather than being yourself. You've got
to remember what are the half lies I'm telling? Who
was I yesterday? I've got to make sure that I
don't betray myself. So it is actually it's actually counterproductive

(42:55):
really to have anything of a complex strategy. It is
much better just to be yourself. If you happen to
be a traitor, then you have to be a lying
version of you yourself. But the more you can anchor
back to how you actually are, the easier the game is,
and the better the chance of winning the game.

Speaker 13 (43:14):
You have.

Speaker 3 (43:14):
People really like being traitors, don't they? Or what I
love about it is watching people try and work out
other people try and work them out, be so sure
in their assessment, and you get it so wrong and.

Speaker 4 (43:25):
Gets so wrong.

Speaker 8 (43:26):
I know, I know it's fabulous, and you know they'll
see the slightest little thing and amplify that. You know,
we have a nature right, well, I suppose it is,
and when you've got nothing else to go by, and
of course we've never done it, so we don't know
how hard it is. When you are completely surrounded with
a group of people you don't know, you're out of

(43:48):
your comfort zone, you can't talk to any of your family,
You're literally sequestered away. The only time you're in front
of these other people that you're with that you can
talk to and try and be friend is when cameras
are watching you. Apart from that, you're literally locked away
on your own overnight, and you knows that it's a
very good chance that these people that you're trying to

(44:09):
befriend are actually going to murder you, are conspiring against you.
So it is hard to imagine just how hard this
game is to play.

Speaker 2 (44:18):
Oh so much fun. Do you wear own clothes? It's
quite a wardrobe.

Speaker 8 (44:23):
A lot of them are my own clothes. But it's
like with everything, it's like I'm sort of acting, but
I'm acting as a more extreme version of myself. And
that's true of the clothes as well. I'm wearing a
slightly more extreme version of the clothes I would wear. Anyway.

Speaker 2 (44:37):
Now, you couldn't be here in the studio today because
I believe you're up north. The reason is that you
were there because you want to be very close, or
possibly you already have been to your pregnant daughter. I know,
are you a grandfather again?

Speaker 6 (44:52):
Yet?

Speaker 8 (44:53):
No, not yet, but literally any well, okay, So the
fact of the matter is, if she doesn't go into
labor naturally, she's in funger A hospital. If she doesn't
go into labor naturally before tomorrow morning, she will be juice.
Tomorrow morning. She is as big as a mini skip.
She's huge, and it's time. It's time for these two

(45:15):
beautiful babies to be born.

Speaker 2 (45:17):
I'm having flashbacks to sitting on the breakfast TV couch
pregnant with my must have been I think it was
my first child, and you're just looking at me, going, goodness,
you're a whale.

Speaker 8 (45:27):
Yeah, yeah, I know. And I sat there. I remember
sitting there thinking, no, that's going to come out of there.
You've got to get that out. But sooner the better
for you.

Speaker 2 (45:36):
Popa Whitstel and I were both bring it at the
same time, and you know you certainly you didn't certainly
didn't hold back with your compliments there. Do you love
being a granddad?

Speaker 9 (45:45):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (45:45):
I do.

Speaker 9 (45:46):
I do.

Speaker 8 (45:46):
And my two grandchildren, the two grandchildren I have are
in Melbourne. These two will be in New Zealand, which
will make it a little bit easier. But I don't.
I don't. Really, I'm going to be honest with you.
I don't care very much for little babies. You know.
I need them to form little personalities and then I
just love them. But I think when they're little babies,
it's their immediate parents to worry about all the business.

Speaker 2 (46:10):
Fair enough, don't you normally it's winter, rightn't you normally
in Palm Springs?

Speaker 8 (46:14):
At this point, I know it's Bella's fault that I'm not.

Speaker 4 (46:17):
I'm not.

Speaker 8 (46:17):
I'm all booked, I'm ready to fly out, but I
haven't been in the New Zealand winter for a long
long time, to be honest, And the sun is coming
through now. This is a pretty good winter, isn't it.

Speaker 2 (46:29):
It's not too bad, it's not too bad. It hasn't
been too much of a shock to the system.

Speaker 8 (46:32):
I've luck No, I've lucked out. Although it is very cold.
It's like it's in the mid forties at my place
in Palm Springs right at the moment, so this is
a weeny bit colder than that.

Speaker 2 (46:43):
We don't really care are these twins.

Speaker 3 (46:45):
Are these twes going to keep you in New Zealand
for a bit longer or will you be getting back
into heading back to the States regularly.

Speaker 8 (46:52):
No, I'm I'm just here just to be a bit
of supportive un needed for you know, for the next
couple of weeks, and then I'm off because what can
I do. Then they're just lying there and requiring their
parents to run around.

Speaker 2 (47:06):
Exactly, you can ew an hour at a photo sent
you every day, and that's exactly need to do at
this point.

Speaker 8 (47:13):
Yeah, and I think quite frankly, Bella will be pleased
to have me a few thousand miles away because I
can I can you'll find this very hard to believe,
fran Jesseph, but I can be annoying.

Speaker 2 (47:23):
Yeah, no, I can't imagine. So heading back to the States,
are you then looking forward to just sitting and watching
this US election unfold, because it's certainly taken a little
sort of turning point in the last few days.

Speaker 8 (47:36):
Well, I suppose it has. But then are any of
us surprised? I mean, frankly, I it was less of
a train wreck for Biden than I thought it could
have been. You know, you can over rehearse. I mean
it comes back to your question about traitors, and you
know whether the strategies are a help or a hindrance.

(47:56):
I think it's pretty clear that all of the effort
that went into Joe, preparing him over days and days
and days and days sequestered away with his team, was
not real much of an the systems. What he needs
is an auto Q. And we saw how much better
he was still feeble, but how much better he was
the next day with an auto Q.

Speaker 2 (48:16):
Do you think he'll stay or do you think he'll
step down?

Speaker 8 (48:20):
I was listening to you earlier, and I think you're
probably right. I think he will be very, very naturally
very reluctant to step down, and it's a very tricky
process to force him out. And of course you know
it's down to the Democrats. How your question earlier was fabulous.
How is it that you know, the second biggest democracy

(48:42):
in the world has ended up with these two old guys,
both of them extreme for different reasons. The Democrats have
done this to themselves. They've selected a vice president who
cannot win. They selected a president who shouldn't win, who
then select the vice president who cannot win. They're in

(49:03):
a real I think, to quote you, pickle, which.

Speaker 2 (49:09):
Is such an understatement of a word.

Speaker 8 (49:10):
Isn't it such a When you said that, I thought, yes,
yes it is.

Speaker 2 (49:16):
It's a pickle with no way out. State of America
better or worse than New Zealand at the moment.

Speaker 8 (49:24):
Here's the difference with America. The reason that America will
almost always be better. And we're talking politically now, because
obviously there are so many things about New Zealand that
are better than America. But politically, America is such a
big ship. It turns very very slowly. So if things
turn negative, if I mean, look at Trump, who would

(49:46):
have thought you could have had an entire four year
presidency with Trump and actually nothing bad happened. There'll be
a lot of people that will try and argue with that,
but I don't care about those people. That's because it's
such a big ship. The difference with New Zealand is
we are perilously small, and if there is a bad change,
there's a bad turn events, if there's a bad government,

(50:07):
a bad selection of policies. We spin on a dime
in this country and it takes us a long time
to get back. I mean the financial situation we're in
at the moment. I don't know, we won't if we
do come back from it, and I suspect we won't.
If we do, it won't be in my lifetime.

Speaker 2 (50:23):
Is X trying to you to stand at the next election.

Speaker 8 (50:27):
Well, if they are, I wouldn't be interested in it,
not even remotely. I mean, God, that flies in the
face of my I don't want to do daily, weekly
or monthly.

Speaker 3 (50:36):
Very good point, it doesn't, It doesn't even get past
the first tick on. You did say at the ex
Party conference speech a few weeks back that you think
this country is deeply in the you know, non a
good place.

Speaker 2 (50:52):
That's it. Do you see any moves from this current
government that might sort of set us on the right track.

Speaker 8 (51:00):
You know, I'm not hugely hopeful. I think there's been
a correction in the right direction, but it's been pretty minor.
And you know, as I said that in that speech,
and I want to stress I was there as an
invited speaker, not as a member of ACT. I think
I said in the speech, I'm no political party's friend. Obviously,

(51:22):
I've never tried to hide the fact that I am.
It's a crunchy way of saying it, but I am
a right wing and always have been. But yes, I'm
no political party's friend. But we've been turned in the
right No, not in the right direction. We've been nudged.
We've been nudged on a slightly better track. But we

(51:44):
need we need significant change in this country. You know,
we have phenomenal problems and the challenges that we are
up against over the next few years are going to
be many and all consuming, and we are not set
up to handle them.

Speaker 2 (52:00):
News Hub wraps up this week. I think your daughter
Bella was working their prize to maternity leaves, was that right?

Speaker 8 (52:05):
Yes, yeah, as she was, she was in charge of
hair and makeup, which I don't think is going to
be a priority for the new the news setup.

Speaker 2 (52:16):
No, do you think it's going to work the staff
three bulletin.

Speaker 5 (52:20):
No, I don't know.

Speaker 8 (52:21):
I don't. In fact, I'm sure it won't. I mean,
and how can it possibly work? This? This is the
problem with with the resistance. People have to change. I
mean you you look at the people that were surprised
that news Hub closed. I mean, where were where have
they been for the last decade? Why would they be surprised?

(52:42):
I mean, when was the last time you went down
to a video library? I mean when when's the last
I mean you're still a member of Easy Video. We
can barely remember the names of these platforms, you know,
the Discovery Warner brothers have been setting up their own
platforms like EV and Z. They've been desperately trying to
populate people onto their digital their digital platforms. Did they

(53:05):
expect they were going to be able to hold an
audience on free to air as well at the same time, No,
they should never have expected that. The factor is they
waited too long. TV and Z's in exactly the same position. Now.
I was reading yesterday about oh, you know, there could
be more job cuts. They've waited too long. It's bad,
bad management. The marketplace society has been directing them to

(53:27):
the future for the last decade, and they've they've had
blinkers on. They've been refusing to adapt.

Speaker 2 (53:32):
Oh and dog. I think when I started in television
twenty five years ago, you know, people with a hic
lot more experience than I had set me down and
told me it's all going to change. And I sat
there for decades.

Speaker 8 (53:43):
Yes, yeah, yeah, and they say that, you know, it's
all going to child. We're going to spend some money.
We've we've got a website now, I mean, for goodness sake,
I mean, even like Netflix are struggling, you know, because
there are so many more platforms coming online. Both you
and me have the ability for about five thousand dollars
to create a network online with more reach than either

(54:06):
tan z Or or Discovery.

Speaker 2 (54:09):
Now there's an idea.

Speaker 8 (54:11):
Oh no, no, no, no, no, no, no no no,
it's not an idea at all. I wish I hadn't
beat it. But you know what I mean, everyone's a broadcast,
everyone's a publisher. And the future that we're living now
has been so well foreshadowed and yet it's caught people
by surprise.

Speaker 2 (54:30):
Finally, finally, how's the gin going?

Speaker 8 (54:34):
Yeah? Good? This is downtime for gin. You know, winter
gin is not a gin, is not a winter drink.
But I mean, having said that, obviously you still you
sell some, but gin is very much a summer drink.
And and the economy here is not great, and so
I think probably the cheaper gins are doing very well,
the more expensive gins are. In fact, I know this,

(54:54):
the more expensive gins are not doing very well at all.
What I need is new bottles. Here's an interesting thing.

Speaker 9 (55:00):
You know.

Speaker 8 (55:01):
With a book, you know, the cover is all important.
So arguably the label with spirits, particularly gin and vodka. Yes,
the bottle is just so important, more important than the
label or anything, because it is a it's like a
prize possession. And bottles have let me down from the

(55:23):
beginning for a whole range of reasons that is not
even remotely interesting. So I won't talk about them. But
I'm trying to get some bespoke bottles organized now that
you do have to buy rather a lot bottles.

Speaker 2 (55:36):
Well, look, when you get some more bottles coming in, flick,
flick me a bottle of your gin and I ben,
I won't tell anyone everyone that we don't.

Speaker 8 (55:43):
Why don't I do that?

Speaker 4 (55:44):
We're going to need to do that.

Speaker 8 (55:46):
There's I certainly need to do that. Hey, enjoy Traders tonight.

Speaker 9 (55:49):
It really is.

Speaker 8 (55:50):
Do you know what we've done? Not tonight tomorrow night.
What we've done is we've created something truly world class,
which when you're in a very expensive franchise like Traders,
and when you're up against franchises that operate in Scottish castles,
it's a tricky thing to do. But we've absolutely no
you have.

Speaker 2 (56:07):
I've only seen two episodes, but I am totally hooked.
So The Traders New Zealand Season two is on three
Tomorrow from seven pm and then also streaming on three now.
Thank you so much, Paul Henry. Lovely to catch up
with you as always, and don't forget the amazing Anna
Connington will be with us after eleven in the studio
to chat about her fabulous new album. News Talks eb.

Speaker 4 (56:28):
Keep It's Simple, It's Sundays.

Speaker 1 (56:30):
The Sunday session with Francesca Rudkin and Wig calls for
the best selection of the great readings.

Speaker 4 (56:36):
News Talks edb.

Speaker 2 (56:37):
It's only one week until school holidays and many people
are looking for fun things to do with kids. Well,
from tomorrow, Witch Calls will start accepting votes for their
Wickkels Kids Top Fifty. This is a list of children's
books is voted for by young readers and it's a
great opportunity to talk to kids about the books they love.
Just go to any Whit Calls store or online and
tell them your favorites in your household. Voting is open

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for three weeks from tomorrow and they would love to
hear from you. Which Calls have other ways to while
away the holiday hours as well. Tomorrow they'll have thirty
percent of Mattel and has Bro games, twenty percent of toys,
and twenty percent of all kids books with box games, puzzles, toys,
gorgeous stationary, fabulous gifts and the Kid's Top Fifty to
vote for. There really is something for everyone at Wick Calls.

Speaker 4 (57:22):
Grab a cover.

Speaker 1 (57:23):
It's the Sunday Session with Francesca Rudkin and Wick Calls
for the best selection of gret Greens used Talks.

Speaker 9 (57:29):
It'd be.

Speaker 4 (57:46):
It's Allaby and Temples and there we go.

Speaker 3 (58:01):
So we've just been talking to Paul Henry about the
media moving with the times, And I'll tell you what
the BBC I'm moving with the times.

Speaker 2 (58:07):
You might recognize it just in the background there a
little bit. This is the BBC News theme and to
tell us all about it and talk entertainment. As Steve Newill,
editor at flex dot co dot m Z Jesus is,
they're really funking things up.

Speaker 7 (58:22):
Hectic.

Speaker 2 (58:23):
It's quite hectic. So the BBC. This is a drum
and bassed remix of their news theme, which is exactly
what you'd expect them to do. What how's this coming about?

Speaker 14 (58:34):
This weekend? Is Glastonbury? Think flags, think mud, think music,
I think hundreds of thousands of wasted British people. And
one of those, one of the many, many performers is
BBC News Analysis editor Ross Atkins. He did a daytime
drum and bassed set at Glastonbury and to really whip

(58:58):
people into a frenzy, he got someone to make a
drum and based remix of the BBC News theme. And
that's what we just heard, small snippet of I bet
everyone's going to want to listen.

Speaker 4 (59:08):
To all of it.

Speaker 2 (59:10):
No, I'm sure. Actually it does sort of calm down
and you do hear the theme a little bit more
clearly in the track, and it's actually quite good.

Speaker 14 (59:18):
It's actually quite good, and it reminds me of Drummond
bass remixes of Oh Novus and the Bunnings theme. And look, look,
there's a there's a rich heritage of repurposing.

Speaker 2 (59:33):
That's so funny. It'd be great to actually hear the
BBC using that over the weekend to look like they're
really looking cool.

Speaker 14 (59:42):
This weekend they are all over Glastonbury coverage. If you
are a user of BBC's I Play, you'll be able
to have watched a whole bunch of live stuff already
coming out of Glastonbury. Right now, Cold Player playing. They
opened with Yellow, which is just a big call for
a headline band to open with one of their bigger songs.

(01:00:03):
It's the fifth time, a record breaking fifth time the
in Glastonbury this weekend and I think they're they are
on for about another or fifteen minutes, half a hour,
not that anyone should stop listening to this radio show
and watch Coldplay, and that's a.

Speaker 2 (01:00:18):
No, we don't need to. They're coming here later in
the year. They're playing what.

Speaker 14 (01:00:23):
You can watch in your own time. Last night's headliner
yes or yesterday for us was do a Leaper played
a staggering fifteen top forty hits, Mental played to one
hundred thousand people. That sets up in BBC dot com
has that set in full. You watch it your leisure
and if you check out their YouTube page you can

(01:00:45):
see clips from a bunch of different performances, everyone from
Cyndi Lauper to PJ Harvey, Alcity sound System its titles Jungle.
One thing I'm hoping turns up is some footage of
DJ Messi. This is the New Zealand DJ who Fred
again took under his wing when he toured down here,
sort of plucked from relative obscure to open for him,

(01:01:07):
and I got an invite to play glaston Viol awesome.
Hopefully no immigration problems like the news stories around Fred again.

Speaker 2 (01:01:15):
So just confirming we can. We can watch the shows
that have been You could jump on and watch them online.

Speaker 14 (01:01:21):
For if you have I Player, you can have access
to those. That's all the bricks listening will know what
I'm talking about, maybe less so for New Zealanders, but
you can watch the Door Leaper set in full on
the BBC website and yeah, the BBC YouTube channel will
have lots of great clips and they'll just keep rolling
out over the next days and weeks.

Speaker 2 (01:01:40):
And I see that already people are coming in and
saying was she singing? Or was she lip sinking?

Speaker 14 (01:01:46):
If you think a pop star is still to come up,
still to come on Glastonbury. The Sunday lineup Sunday UK
Times that will be for us early tomorrow morning, headlined
by Scissor. Other artists include Janelle Money, Shania Twain, The National,
Everil Levigne, Justice Near Archives and Another Key with Connection

(01:02:09):
and Jordan at Archive. Actually a little bit more Key
with Connection if we can just claim this one.

Speaker 5 (01:02:14):
Russell Crowe played.

Speaker 14 (01:02:15):
Glastonbury over the weekend as well with a band.

Speaker 12 (01:02:19):
Yeah.

Speaker 14 (01:02:19):
I think it's bad. It's a something garden party, Russell.

Speaker 2 (01:02:24):
Craw You're right, yeah, good on them.

Speaker 14 (01:02:29):
But nevertheless there's just big beardy, big beardy crooning going on.
We still claim, Russell. I'm not sure.

Speaker 2 (01:02:35):
Yeah we do, Okay, I do.

Speaker 13 (01:02:37):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:02:38):
Thank you so much, Steve, and for reminding us that
we can go and watch a few good gigs at
some point over the weekend.

Speaker 14 (01:02:45):
Gumbots required, No, gubbet's a beautiful weather.

Speaker 2 (01:02:48):
Yeah no, it look like beautiful weather. But it did
look like beautiful weather as well. Prett your gumpets on
just feel like you're there. Lots of talk about getting
people back into offices and less working from home, but
is it actually more productive to be back in the office.
Doctor Michelle Dickinson has got a new study she is
going to share with us next News Talk Zbach.

Speaker 1 (01:03:08):
It's the Sunday session with Francesca Rudkin on News Talks
at b.

Speaker 2 (01:03:14):
And it's time for our science study of the week
and joining me as an ether girl, Doctor Michelle and Dickinson,
Good morning, Good morning. This is really interesting, this study
because there is so much debate at the moment as
to whether we should be all back in the office
working a little bit from home, working from home. A
lot of people have different opinions on.

Speaker 15 (01:03:31):
It, and a lot of it's to do with trust.

Speaker 2 (01:03:34):
A lot of it is to do with trusting trust.

Speaker 15 (01:03:37):
If you are a manager or a business owner that
your staff can work from home as effectively as they
could from in the office.

Speaker 2 (01:03:43):
And there's a.

Speaker 15 (01:03:44):
Huge debate right now and everybody, everybody's upset because nobody
has what they want. People have loved thanks to COVID nineteen.
People had to work from home. They were forced office
workers at least, and they actually quite liked it, especially
those who have big commute, those who have kids.

Speaker 2 (01:03:58):
Who are trying to balance a lot of things.

Speaker 15 (01:03:59):
And actually, if I'm not having to commute two hours
a day to get to the office, and I can
use my lunch break to catch up on just doing
the life laundry and just tiding the house, or when
I come home, it's actually not a bomb site. I
feel like my work life balance is more balance. And
then all of the managers are like, yeah, but you're
obviously not working. You know it's hard, and blah blah blah.
So here's the study. It's in the journal Nature. It's

(01:04:20):
a lovely study. It's quite a big study. They took
sixteen hundred graduate workers. And here's the only thing that
was negative. The workers that they took, they all worked
for this big travel agency company, like a travel booking company.
They were split into two groups, but they were not
allowed to choose which group they're in. So one group,
fifty percent of them eight hundred, had to work from

(01:04:40):
the office for the whole study that was six months,
and the other group got to work from home on
Wednesdays and Fridays. And so the only gripe of this
story is the employees going.

Speaker 2 (01:04:50):
I wanted to be in the other group, like I
wanted to.

Speaker 15 (01:04:52):
Be working from home, but the study wouldn't work without that.
So they did this study and they followed them for
six months, and the studies really lovely. So what it
showed is that basically, as we would expect, the people
who are allowed to do what we call hybrid working,
so they had to come in the office Monday, Tuesday, Thursdays.
Because what we do know is when you are in

(01:05:12):
the office, lots of cross collaboration happens, lots of ideas
happen that don't work when you're just doing an online
video call for a purpose, so those bump into things
there where innovation happens. Those still need to happen Monday, Wednesday, Thursday,
but on Wednesday Fridays, the people who stayed at home.

Speaker 2 (01:05:28):
Were much happier.

Speaker 15 (01:05:30):
But what I love about the study is they did
a massive productivity audit, and so a lot of managers go, no,
you have to come back to the office because you're
not working as hard. There was zero difference in the
productivity as measured by a whole bunch of metrics in
people who work from home or people who work from
the office. So people go, oh, you're working from home,
you're not doing as much. It's not true. The data
says you work just as hard.

Speaker 2 (01:05:52):
But that's if that's a hybrid situation. So this hybrid,
so there is still that time because you've got that
face to face time and the office you've got that
opportunity because I think it's much easy to keep up
staff morale if you're all in an office. I think
that can definitely suffer if you're not all together in
person totally. And this study actually was quite rigid about
the hybrid. So some people go from home a bit. No,

(01:06:13):
this was saying you have to be in because then
you can't expect when you're bump into each other things
are going to happen. Otherwise, what happens is some people
who you need to be there at the same time
are on a work from home day and it doesn't work.
So they said very clearly, only Wednesdays and Fridays all
work from home, and that's when you're just going to
nut down and get all your data stuff done. And
those other collaboration meetings can happen when you know everybody's
going to be in the office. So the study didn't

(01:06:34):
look at fully work remote all of that, because they've
taken their data and gone, we know what sort of
is working.

Speaker 15 (01:06:39):
Let's look at the data. So the hybrid environment is
working really well. But this is what blew my mind.
So over the six months, they looked at their retention rate,
so how many people in the organization, and these are
relatively new graduates, how many are quitting.

Speaker 2 (01:06:53):
There was a thirty.

Speaker 15 (01:06:54):
Three percent reduction in retention rate, So thirty three percent
less people quit if they were hybrid and that's on average.
And then they looked into the STAPA later, twenty two
percent less people quit who were on hybrid if they
had a long commute and their commute was considered two
hours or more. Or if they were women fifty four

(01:07:15):
percent less women quick if they were offered a hybrid
role than if they had to be in That's interesting
and what I ran. What I loved about this numbers
is they ran for this organization, how much does it
cost to recruit and train a new staff member? And
it cost them twenty thousand US dollars, so about thirty
five thousand New Zealand dollars to find a new person

(01:07:35):
and train them in their cruitment. So this company went well,
this isn't crazy right If we can retain fifty percent,
we are saving millions of dollars per year just by
going into a rigid hybrid model.

Speaker 2 (01:07:50):
Where can people find or read the study in the
journal Nature?

Speaker 15 (01:07:54):
It's lovely, it's easy and if you're struggling with what
the best balances and what to do, this has some
lovely days.

Speaker 2 (01:07:59):
There we go, take the science in to your boss
and trust warning. Then where we go as hard at
home as they are in the Thank you as always, Michelle.
It is eighteen to eleven News Talks EV. Now there's
been a lot of important chat this week about food waste.
Mike Vanda Alsen has been I tell you what, He's
been battling food waste for about fifteen years. He is

(01:08:20):
going to share some tips with us next year on
news Talks EB.

Speaker 4 (01:08:23):
There's no better way to start your Sunday.

Speaker 1 (01:08:26):
It's the Sunday Session with Francesca Rutkin and Wiggles for
the best selection of great breaths.

Speaker 2 (01:08:32):
News Talks be Mike vander Elsen joins us now our
residence chief. Good morning, Good morning. I was just saying,
we've been talking a lot about food waste over the
last week.

Speaker 3 (01:08:42):
But if I'm right, I fucking remember back to a
few years when you used to do your TV show,
The Food Truck.

Speaker 2 (01:08:51):
You were going on about food waste all the way back,
all the way back then, won't you.

Speaker 13 (01:08:55):
I know, and hard to believe it. Yeah, it was
fifteen years ago, I.

Speaker 2 (01:08:58):
Know, time for Liza.

Speaker 13 (01:08:59):
Oh well, doesn't that And every time I'm in the supermarkets,
I still get hate. Is that truck guard?

Speaker 2 (01:09:08):
Is that truck guy? Oh dead? Yes, it's food waste.

Speaker 3 (01:09:14):
It's so important to talk about because it just makes
a whole lot of sense. It's there's so many positives
out of thinking about food waste, from saving money to
you know, saving our landfills to you know, it just
goes on.

Speaker 2 (01:09:29):
On on.

Speaker 13 (01:09:31):
And and also just the shared disappointment you get when
you throw food out, like it is literally money down
the drain.

Speaker 8 (01:09:38):
So, you know, I'm on.

Speaker 13 (01:09:40):
The farm, it's a bit different. You know, We've got
we can compost, We've got compost bins, we've got gardens,
we've got chickens, we've got dog. Yeah, yeah, all these things.
All these things use up our scraps. But at home,
what can you do? You know, it's it's actually avoiding
it from going into the bin in the first place,
or even needing for it to go into the bin. So, yeah,
I have a shopping this that was a big thing

(01:10:01):
we always taught on eat wealth. Let's have a shopping
this big Athens. I'm a fan of Costco and I
go there for the cheeses. The cheeses are amazing. But
when you buy mintal, if you buy meat or chicken
or anything that it always comes in very large, large containers.
So break them down as soon as you get them home.
Wrap items in the fridge and containers, don't leave them open.

(01:10:23):
Plan your meals ahead right Monday, we're having this, Tuesday,
we that Wednesday, we're going out Thursday. We're fine. Get
to know some good use up ingredient recipes. So this
pad tie will be one. Fried rice would be another
for tatars soup, stir fried vegetables, casseroles, meat pies, cottage pies.
They're all good things to use up vegetables because you

(01:10:44):
use that based recipe and you add in what's about
to go. Blanch and freeze any vegetables, you know, if
you've got something that's just coming towards the end, blanch them,
package them down, freeze, and then all you need to
do is basically pull them out and drop them into
the sturfoil whatever you're doing. And don't be afraid to
buy a frozen why do you blanch them?

Speaker 6 (01:11:03):
What kind of.

Speaker 13 (01:11:06):
Soccoley, spinach, cauliflower, anything like that, because if you buy
frozen vegetables, they've been blanched, they've gone through a blanching process,
and so they're literally partially cooked or very much near
being cooked. All you need to do is faceally, drop
them in, heat them up, and the good to go.

Speaker 7 (01:11:24):
Right.

Speaker 2 (01:11:25):
So the idea being that if it's just a little
bit past the state, by doing that, you're just keeping it.

Speaker 13 (01:11:30):
You pro yeah, where you prolong the life of it.

Speaker 2 (01:11:33):
Right.

Speaker 6 (01:11:33):
Yeah.

Speaker 13 (01:11:33):
If you've got broccoli that's very limple characters that are
very look, you could chop them all up, drop them
into boiling salted water literally for ten seconds, pull them out,
put them into ice water that stops them from overcooking,
and then you just drain them and package them up.
And that's all frozen vegetables are.

Speaker 6 (01:11:49):
They've just blanched them.

Speaker 13 (01:11:51):
So if you've got veges that are going towards the end,
do that and then put them into like little individual
SnapLock bags if you want. And then when you're doing
a stirfor I aire we doing something that requires vegetables,
just open up a little bag and then it goes.

Speaker 2 (01:12:04):
The plan. The planning of meals are heat is important.
That's something that we're doing at the moment. But we've
got we're sort of almost a family adults right now,
and everybody's out for work on different nights and things
like that, and that gets really frustrating. I'm sort of like, okay,
how many home tonight right, it's a meal for two?
How many home to night meal for four? How many
home tonight three? One's dropping off. It's I mean, it's
great when you cook something that you can take for

(01:12:25):
lunch the next day.

Speaker 13 (01:12:26):
Yeah, yeah, vegetables things like that.

Speaker 2 (01:12:29):
Yeah, yeah, no, definitely definitely. Look, thanks so much, Mike.
We're gonna put Mike's pad tie with the leftover vegs
up on our website. You can also find that a
good from scratch dot cot on in z a wonderful
way to use up those left over vegs. And as
Mike said, you can also do fried rice and for
tatas and stir fries and things as well, and you'll
probably be able to find those recipes on his website too.

(01:12:50):
It is eleven to eleven News Talks.

Speaker 4 (01:12:53):
B Relax, It's still the weekend.

Speaker 1 (01:12:55):
It's a Sunday session with Francesca Rudgin and Wiggles for
the best selection of great breeds.

Speaker 2 (01:13:01):
Used talks be Multi vitamins have been in the news
a lot this week, so of joining us now for
our wellness segment is Eron O'Hara Natropath Good morning, Good morning.
Are there any benefits of taking a multi vitamin?

Speaker 3 (01:13:14):
Yeah, there's been an interesting study that came out and
this was a cohort study and it compiled a whole
lot of research on nearly four four hundred thousand adults
on taking multi vitamins and multi vinamins are taken every
day and whether that had any long term benefit, and
the study came back that it had no benefit at
reducing cardiovascular disease, cancer and mortality, which is a really

(01:13:37):
interesting thing because a lot of people take a multi
vitamin on a daily basis, thinking that it's going to
be their insurance policy for keeping them healthy and well,
and longevity is a big thing as well.

Speaker 2 (01:13:47):
So from the woman who's just recovering from the cold
that killed the dinosaurs, does it help with immunity?

Speaker 3 (01:13:54):
Well, no, Like a lot of people take multi vitamins,
and I think people think nature path they think, oh,
multi vitamins, But actually, to be honest, I'm not a
huge fan of multi vitamins.

Speaker 2 (01:14:02):
The best way I would.

Speaker 3 (01:14:03):
Describe a multi vitamin is a little bit of everything,
not much of anything, probably not exactly what your body needs.
And that's the difference is that when you're taking a
multi vitamin, it's got a little bit of everything in it,
but without doing the right testing, is that what your
body really needs or whether you're are you just hopping
up on nutrients that your body actually doesn't need and
you're just making the kidneys if the water soluble vitamins

(01:14:25):
process them and detoxs them out. And so I think
that really when it comes to supplementation, it's about looking
at what does your body actually need, and without doing
some testing, you don't actually know. And a multi vitamin's
not going to be the thing that's going to cure all.
So I think it's about looking at what does your
body need. There are essential vitamins that we do need

(01:14:47):
to get through our diet or whether we need to
top them up through supplements. That's where there's a place
for supplements. But there's also the risk of if we
are taking supplements like fat soluble vitamins, they actually load
in the body and they store in the body. So
we want to be careful what we're taking and that
we're not overdoing it. The other big thing with taking excess,
especially zinc is a big one for this is getting nauseia.

(01:15:10):
So when you take too much zinc, you're take anything.
Oh feel really sick, something's not right with me. Usually
it's from the zinc. Also, some vitamins will cause things
like birth effects if you overdose them when you're pregnant.
So being really cautious what you're taking and don't just
grab bottles from your chemis warehouse or your supermarket and think, oh,
this will boost me up and not knowing what's in it.

(01:15:32):
I think looking at what is in it and what
does your body needs?

Speaker 2 (01:15:35):
Okay, so is there every time when multi vitamins can
be helpful well.

Speaker 3 (01:15:39):
When it comes to a multi vitamin, I think if you
know that your diet's a little bit lacking, then you
might like to top it up. Or if you're pregnant
or breastfeeding, good place for a multi vitamin to top
up a few extra nutrients. The other thing is if
you are vegan or vegetarian looking at maybe you're missing
a few nutrients from your diets. If you know your
diet is a bit restricted, then maybe you want to

(01:16:00):
top up on some nutrients. But first go to your
doctor maybe or natchurepath, get some testing, dumb see what
your body needs and those are the things that you
need rather than just a general multi vitamin that might
not be that.

Speaker 2 (01:16:11):
Beneficial to you. Love it, Thank you for wrapping that
up erin very much appreciate it. It is a six
to eleven.

Speaker 4 (01:16:19):
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Speaker 1 (01:16:20):
It's the Sunday session with Francesca Rudkin and Wiggles for
the best selection of grape reeds used talk zed be.

Speaker 3 (01:16:27):
New music from Anna Coddington to finish.

Speaker 2 (01:16:31):
Up the hour featuring Troy Kingy. This is Honey Black.
It's off Anna's brand new album released on Friday, it
has been tell you what a crazy busy eighteen months
for Anna Coddington. She is here after the news to
tell us all about it, your new sozib.

Speaker 16 (01:17:11):
Cop my book, Confitting in.

Speaker 1 (01:17:57):
Sunday with Style, the Sunday Session with Francesca Rudkin and
Wiggles for the best selection of great rats.

Speaker 4 (01:18:05):
These talk said the.

Speaker 2 (01:18:14):
Same, Good morning, this is a Sunday session. Great to
have you with us this morning.

Speaker 9 (01:18:28):
Right.

Speaker 2 (01:18:28):
Doesn't this make you just feel good?

Speaker 3 (01:18:30):
Listening to this music back in twenty twenty seems like
a lifetime ago, doesn't it. I had kivy musician Anna
Coddington and for the release of her album Beams.

Speaker 2 (01:18:38):
Now four years later, there's another album. Just listen to it.
It is a lot of fun and I think it's
a bit of a different sound for Anna. It has
been an incredibly busy eighteen months or so. But on Friday,
Anna released to Fuka Meha and Anna is with us
here in the studio. Good morning morning, I'll turn your
microphone on. There we go, There we go. I love
the way I just I sort of said to you,

(01:18:59):
I said, God, this is just the album that we
need at the moment. It's upbeat, it's really infectious. It's
really fun and new system yet it's so good. No feelings,
not having to write about my feelings, but they're different
kind of feelings, right.

Speaker 17 (01:19:10):
They are, that's right. Yeah, focusing on the joy, I suppose,
reaching for the joy, reaching for the ado heart, and yeah,
just trying to really enjoy music.

Speaker 2 (01:19:21):
Which is so dope.

Speaker 3 (01:19:22):
The last eighteen months has been really full on for you,
and if you don't mind, we might just touch on
this because because gosh, it's just been full on. Of course,
you lost your house in the Anniversary weekend floods, which
I'm sure was rather traumatic because you had to be
rescued out of the second story of your home.

Speaker 2 (01:19:38):
Yes, we did. We were.

Speaker 17 (01:19:42):
Yeah, we were next to Grayland Park and they had
built like a bund around the park to hold water
in the event of flooding, so that was really effective
until it overtopped and came towards a house, kind of
like rapids, so at that point we actually couldn't get out.
So yeah, at that point it wasn't that high in
the house, kind of like knee dep but actually on

(01:20:04):
the ground, it was just like a torrent of water
coming down and we couldn't get up the driveway, and
our neighbors could see us and they were sort of
shouting across, going you need to get out, you need
to get out, and we were like, we can't, we
can't get out, And so we ended up in the
upstairs of our house, which is where our bedrooms were,
with the kids, and they, yeah, jumped in their kayak

(01:20:26):
and came and got us out of the kid's bedroom window.
So it was pretty yeah traumatic, as you say, Yeah,
everything we lost everything that wasn't in the bedrooms. Yeah, yeah,
both our cars, everything downstairs, a lot of Yeah, a
lot of stuff that was pretty upsetting, like my guitar,
my guitar that I bought when I was about eighteen

(01:20:48):
or something like that. That was a big one because I
can't get the same guitar anymore, Alara fael one.

Speaker 2 (01:20:56):
If anyone's got one floating around and wants to sell
it to me.

Speaker 17 (01:21:00):
And our books that was the other big loss because
I had a lot of special books that yeah, and
then I had notebooks apart from the three that.

Speaker 2 (01:21:09):
Were on my bedside stay.

Speaker 17 (01:21:12):
Yeah, but you know, lots of positives. I suppose we
had all our clothes, all our bedding and things like
that that are quite personal to you, and you know, like,
so that was good, and we were able to run
a few things upstairs and save them, and of course.

Speaker 7 (01:21:30):
You know, we.

Speaker 2 (01:21:33):
Had our lives. So it's not anyone you've spoken to
who's been the situation that you have has been so
taken back and how quickly things happen and happened, and
how they suddenly did realize it was if they made
the wrong decision could potentially be very life threatening. So
I completely completely understand that, and I was pleased to
see that you were red stickered, but you got sort

(01:21:56):
of brought out by the council relatively quickly.

Speaker 17 (01:21:58):
Yeah, we did, because in a way we were fortunate
it was so bad because it was such a clear
cutcase that the house just can't be there. So yeah,
we're really grateful for that. And also just like their
support we had was just incredible. Just people were so kind.
It was like a human safety mat just catching us
and holding us from me with angle. So that was

(01:22:20):
something pretty unique to experience.

Speaker 2 (01:22:22):
You know, that's very special. And of course you have
been studying law full time as well. You've got a
couple of charming young men with you here today, your
kids as well. And then you caught COVID, which has
turned into long COVID, which I imagine as a singer,
as an artist is not helpful.

Speaker 17 (01:22:38):
It has not been helpful or and it was not
helpful that it took me so long to realize that
that's what it was, because I think now I realized
I had it all out last year. And I have
no evidence for this, but I don't think it's unrelated
to the flood and losing the house and the stress
of that, Like I think those two things are tied
together somehow. But anyway, it gradually got worse over last year,

(01:23:03):
and my answer to stress and feeling bad and stuff
has always been running. So I was like trying to
get out and run, but I was just getting so exhausted,
and my capacity for running just got less and less
and less. And then yeah, I finally realized at the
very end of last year that potentially was that. So
I went to my GP and when I saw of physio,

(01:23:24):
and yeah, so.

Speaker 2 (01:23:25):
That kind of works. The physio been doing. Is that a.

Speaker 17 (01:23:28):
Breathing Yeah, she's a breathing physio. So it's all been
focused on that because yeah, it's so complicated. There's so
much to it, and there's so many It's all to
do with your autonomic nervous system, which is quite difficult
to consciously control because it's all just the stuff that
happens in your body without you doing anything.

Speaker 2 (01:23:46):
But I imagine you were a good being a singer,
you were a good breath. I went to breathing works,
the breathing physios as well. I'm going, oh, yeah, no,
so changed my life. How amazing because I just thought
I just thought I knew how to breathe.

Speaker 17 (01:23:59):
Well, everyone apparently everyone has discussion of breathing to that point.

Speaker 2 (01:24:03):
But I was just like, how can this really be
a problem. I was using my diaphragm about twenty percent
of the time, yeah, and my upper chest about eighty
percent of the time. And the switch has been and
I have to keep working on it, and I am
still promise Becky, I'm working on it. But it has
been incredible at how it's helped with stress levels, anxiety,
my voice normally, and various other things.

Speaker 17 (01:24:24):
And that's where I am too. Yeah, And you know,
you don't realize, you think everything's fine until someone points
out that you're breathing really weird and it.

Speaker 2 (01:24:32):
Needs to try it.

Speaker 17 (01:24:33):
I'm on that journey too, But yeah, it's not helpful
for singing because my diaphragm obviously got severely weakened over
that year, and the diaphragm is the muscle that you
really need to do powerful singing. So I'm building that
strength back up, but it has been quite tiring to sing,
so yeah, I just need to get some strength back there,
but it's getting there.

Speaker 2 (01:24:54):
Yeah, the improvements I'm pleased to hear that. I keep
thinking that now that I'm finally using my diaphram, my
diaphram might work better and I might actually be helped
to say, oh, surely, no I can't, I couldn't, I can't.
Let's get back to this fabulous album. As I said,
bit of a new sound, the sort of multifunk I've
described it as upbeaten and fictious. How did this all
come about? Well, apart from the fact that it's been

(01:25:17):
a busy eighting n so you just wanted to cheat
yourself up?

Speaker 17 (01:25:19):
Well, I think there's definitely something in that. But I've
always I've always enjoyed that kind of because I've always been
a massive like Prince fan Patrese Russian and you know,
that kind of upbeat sound, great basslines, really great drums.
Drums was my first instrument, so you know, I really
appreciate a good groove. But you know, obviously none of

(01:25:42):
my previous output has really been that. But it just
felt like the right time to try and reach for
that sound because I've got a great band. We have
an awesome time together. It's so much fun. You know,
we're just like laughing all the time, making stupid jokes
and being idiots together. So it just felt like a
good time to make a fun album and yeah, something
to I mean, don't get me wrong, I love sad songs,

(01:26:05):
and I've really enjoyed my years of like playing to
sit down rooms and you know, like making people feel feelings.
I do love that as well. But I just felt
like doing something different. I mean, that's just what I'm like.
I don't like to do the same thing over and over,
and even within my music work, it's not like I've
never just been a singer songwriter. You know, I've been producing,

(01:26:28):
I've been doing lots of collaborations and lots of other
kinds of work. So that's just what I'm like. You know,
it's probably not the best professional choice. To me, I
feel like it's better. It's easier for marketing purposes if
you just kind of stick to one sound. But I
think there is a common thread having said that, maybe.

Speaker 2 (01:26:46):
For marketing purposes, but I think your true fans really
actually love it when artists, yes, I think, don't just
deliver the same thing over and over again.

Speaker 17 (01:26:54):
Yeah, and there's lots of continuations in there too, like
my voice, my ear for melody, you know, like everyone's
got their own unique way that they like to phrase
things lyrically and melodically and yeah, so things like that.
And I think it's just a bit more upbeat and
collaborative as well, like all of these songs were written

(01:27:14):
in collaboration. There's lots of great guests, like I think
you played my song with Troy King, Yes, yeah, lots
of great correct So it's just been a lot of fun.
And you know, the music industry has changed a lot,
as we were talking about that earlier. But so I've
always said to myself with music, like the day the
cons outweigh the pros is the day that I will

(01:27:36):
stop doing it, you know, So I have to find
ways to make it fun for myself, because if it's
hard work, then what's the point, you know, like this,
there's jobs, are plenty of jobs you can do that
are hard work that you know you're not enjoying, so
I need to be enjoying it.

Speaker 2 (01:27:52):
It's also bilingual. I presend this is a bit of
a natural progression for you. You've been on your today
or journey yourself. So are you at the level when
you can write your own songs in Mari? Yeah?

Speaker 17 (01:28:06):
Probably could, It wouldn't be easy, like so, yeah, I
had a martang adeo, like a Mardi language expert working
across this whole album and helping with songs. So sometimes
that looked like me writing an English lyric or like
a rough idea of one and her translating it and
then me getting it back and sort of tweaking things

(01:28:28):
to make it fit better or sound more like me.
So that in itself is quite a good step that
I have enough to be able to change, you know,
like and work together on it. I probably, yeah, I
could write my own on my own in Tedeo, but
I don't quite have the grasp that I have of

(01:28:51):
English to be as creative with the probably so it's
it's valuable to have someone like Ruth, who was my
martang Edel to work with because she's just yeah, has
so much knowledge and so many great Cupoo words that
she can kind of into the mix. And yeah, and
like I said, it's a collaborative album anyway, so it

(01:29:12):
just made sense to be doing it with someone else.

Speaker 2 (01:29:14):
You get to tour this album, I hope.

Speaker 17 (01:29:17):
So there's no plans at the moment because you know,
like I said before about the long COVID, it's just
not the right time. Yeah, And also, you know, it's
the middle of winter. It's hard to leave the house.
You know, costs a living crisis. You know, it just
didn't feel like the right time to do it right now.
But I'd love to do a few shows over someone

(01:29:37):
with the band. So yeah, we'll probably work towards that.

Speaker 2 (01:29:40):
I mentioned before that you've been studying for a law degree.
You're almost at the end of that. What is the
plan for the degree?

Speaker 17 (01:29:46):
Yeah, I'm in my third year and if they had
an answer to that question that would make my life
much easier. I'm not sure yet, but I'm really enjoying
it and doing well in it. And yeah, I think
the problem for me is I find it all very interesting.
So yeah, I'm just waiting for the thing that feels

(01:30:07):
the most interesting to stand out to me. Yeah, but
you know what I want to do with that, I
don't know. I just I like research in writing, so
maybe academia. But I also want to help people with it,
you know, like that.

Speaker 2 (01:30:25):
I think it's fantastic when people go back and study
at any age. I think we should continue learning it
all all ages and stages of our lives. Was what
was it that made you go back and study as
an adult?

Speaker 17 (01:30:36):
I love studying, Like I did a degree when I
was younger, and I really enjoyed that. To it, I
did a master's degree in linguistics, which was like super geeky,
but yeah, I loved it. And I always have loved
using my brain in that way anyway. So but specifically
for this, I think it was COVID the lockdowns and stuff,

(01:30:58):
you know, like when we all had the rug pulled
out from under our feet. That was an interesting time
to be a musician, for sure, And and I just
had the time to really think about it. I had
been thinking about it anyway, but I worked with a
careers counselor actually like which is how gorgeous age. I
think I was thirty nine or something like it. Yeah,

(01:31:20):
because I had felt like I wanted to try something different.
And it's interesting because I know a lot of artists
around my age who have gone back to study. Yeah,
lots of different things. But anyway, because I'd never felt
sure about what to do, so I went through this
really robust process and I figured, well, if I still
feel unsure about it, at least I feel sure about
the process. I got to get to that answer, you know. So,

(01:31:42):
but yeah, it's been really great. Also, my mom did it.
My mum did a law degree when I started high
school and she graduated the year that I graduated from
high school and she's had a great career in law
and she's still doing it. So I've had that modeling
there as well.

Speaker 2 (01:31:57):
Fantastic. Thank you so much for coming in.

Speaker 17 (01:31:59):
Thank you for having me.

Speaker 2 (01:32:01):
I hope you enjoyed the album Oh totally to fuck
a me ha fuck.

Speaker 17 (01:32:05):
On mi ha yeah, Melco the appreciation.

Speaker 2 (01:32:08):
I love. It is available on vinyl, yes, which is awesome,
or you can you can find it on all streaming platforms.
Anna Connington, thank you so much, thank you. Alrighty home
News Talks, it'd be It is twenty one past eleven.
We're going to be back in just a moment with
the panel.

Speaker 4 (01:32:24):
There's no better way to start your Sunday.

Speaker 1 (01:32:27):
It's a Sunday session with Francesca Rudkin and Wit Girls
for the best selection of great breaths US talkst.

Speaker 2 (01:32:34):
Be joining me now on the panel. We have got
journalists and editor Joe mccaroll. Good morning Joe, Good morning Francesca.
And we've also got director at eight one eight Publicity
Chris Henry. How are you this morning? Chris?

Speaker 6 (01:32:47):
Oh cured, well, thank you?

Speaker 4 (01:32:49):
How are you very good?

Speaker 2 (01:32:50):
Thank you?

Speaker 6 (01:32:51):
Hey.

Speaker 3 (01:32:51):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:32:51):
At the top of our show this morning, we started
by talking to a US correspondent about the fallout from
the Trump Biden presidential debate, which took place Friday our time.
I'm not sure if either of you saw it, but
when I started watching it, I did a moment where
I wondered what on earth I was watching because it
was not what I expected from either of them, and
then it continued to kind of just get worse, mostly

(01:33:14):
for Biden. And I can completely understand why there are
a lot of concerns and the Democratic Party right now,
So Joe, maybe you could help them out sort this
problem out for them. What do we do with Joe
Biden as the Democratic Commany?

Speaker 18 (01:33:28):
I did do debating at school, Francesca, and I would
like to say I will step up, because I would
say anyone really who had the most you know, well prepared,
intelligent person, they should be running rings around Trump. I
think you absolutely called it earlier. Biden does need to
step down and be replaced. I do not think he

(01:33:50):
is fit to do the job. And that is such
a terrifying prospect. You know, you've got one administration that's
likely to uphold democracy and one that is fairly likely
to be ushering in theoretical dictatorship.

Speaker 2 (01:34:04):
I mean, it's a crazy option for Americans to have
in the first place. Between between the two, it's a
large country. You think to yourself, could you not have
found somebody else? I don't think he I think he
should step down, Chris, but I don't think he will.
I think it's going to be even more of a
risk for the Democrats to try and work out how
to replace him. How do you feel about it?

Speaker 19 (01:34:25):
Oh, I think sometimes you've just got to admit when
you've got it wrong and pivot. At this point, I
know that it's probably going to be a bit challenging
to try and do it, but it doesn't look like
a man that is suitable or even possible to be
a president.

Speaker 6 (01:34:38):
You know.

Speaker 19 (01:34:38):
We came out of looking at that debate actually feeling
like perhaps Donald Trump might be the right choice, and
that is wild in itself.

Speaker 2 (01:34:45):
Okay, So, Chris, if you were dealing with the public
relations around this, with the Biden game, what would you
be saying. What advice would you be giving Biden?

Speaker 19 (01:34:54):
Well, I were judging a lot of money, because it
would be quite a big job, But I would say,
you know, now is the time to step down. He
is he's an elderly gentleman, and for the good of
the country, it is time for somebody that is younger,
with with fresh ideas to be able to galvanize the
people of America and move forward on it. I can
imagine being a young person in America at the moment

(01:35:15):
looking at politics must feel very uninspiring to know that
you're the direction of your country is down to these
two choices. So I really think it's a time to
fall on your sword to thank the people for the
work that you've done so far and move aside to
someone fresh air and with a bit more energy, and
now is to be able to take the job from
there because he.

Speaker 2 (01:35:35):
Can do that. At the moment, Joe with his reputation,
his integrity intact correct, and I just worry.

Speaker 3 (01:35:41):
That if he carries on that will diminish as much
as his performance.

Speaker 18 (01:35:46):
He will be involved in a really significant sort of
political moment.

Speaker 2 (01:35:53):
Yeah, I actually have no I intend I disrespect to Biden.

Speaker 18 (01:35:57):
You know, I think he has a competent experience professional,
but I believe that someone who is in their eighties,
they absolutely have a contribution to make, but it's in
the America professor kind of role rather than heading up
the whole thing. I mean, he did have most of
the right answers, it's just he could hardly get them out.

Speaker 2 (01:36:16):
Yeah, no, it is. I mean, look, Chris, do you
sit here in New Zealand?

Speaker 9 (01:36:18):
And?

Speaker 2 (01:36:18):
I mean I watched it out of interest and was
pretty concerned with what I saw because I kind of
believe that what happens in a country is sort of
as powerful as the United States can have an impact
on various different geopolitical situations around the world. But actually
I feel like this is kind of up to the
whole entertainment factor too of the selection.

Speaker 19 (01:36:41):
Oh, it absolutely has, But I think that politics and
entertainment are probably one of the areas of.

Speaker 6 (01:36:46):
Life that shouldn't coexist with each other. It's just too important.

Speaker 4 (01:36:50):
You know.

Speaker 19 (01:36:51):
America is still a massive country and wields a huge
amount of power in the world, and to have somebody
that is not suitable to run it as scary for
all of us. I get the idea of how these
sort of debates can create clicks and people engaged, but
it's just a bit more serious then, and I suppose
that I hope the American people get get a solution

(01:37:13):
that does work for them.

Speaker 2 (01:37:14):
I felt like I was watching something I shouldn't be watching.

Speaker 3 (01:37:19):
Do you enjoy flying?

Speaker 18 (01:37:23):
Look, I wouldn't say I enjoy it, but I love
traveling and flying as part of it. But flying, in
the end, you're in a middle tube and you can't
do anything you want, even when you're flying up the front,
which every now and again I've had the opportunity to do.
It's Yeah, I don't think it's a particularly comfortable way
to get.

Speaker 2 (01:37:41):
About taking a look at sort of the headlines that
we're seeing about turbulence and lightning strikes and unfortunately plain malfunctions.
It does it make you seeking Guese flying will make
it a little bit more nervous.

Speaker 18 (01:37:54):
Well, I sometimes to get a bit nervous flying, but
I have this very comforting thought which I will put
out to New Zealanders, which is, you are far more
likely to win the lottery than die in a plane.
And given how hard I find that to do, I
take comfort in that thought.

Speaker 2 (01:38:12):
Okay, so that's me picking up a lot of ticket
on the way home. What about what about you, Chris,
do you second guess flying? We had an amazing aviation
specialist on in our first hour of the show's day
which he really did kind of reassure me about the
stability really in the in the safety of planes we
fly in these days.

Speaker 9 (01:38:34):
Yeah.

Speaker 19 (01:38:34):
Well, it's definitely moved me to a point where I
take a little bit more notice on my plane ticket
about which brand of planes that I'm flying in. And
definitely Airbus is obviously the winner on the day when
it comes to when it comes to that, I fly
a bit recently and it hasn't really concerned me.

Speaker 6 (01:38:49):
But I have noticed people taking a.

Speaker 19 (01:38:51):
Lot more care and a lot more responsibility to what
the flight attendants are saying. You know, there've been a
lot more cautious around food and drink service. Everyone's got
their seat belts on, especially when there when they are seated,
and I think that that's not necessarily a bad thing.
But when it turbulence does start, does really grow through
your mind what's been happening around the world, and it
is a bit scary.

Speaker 6 (01:39:10):
But I'm with you, Joe. I like getting out and about,
so I will still be flying for sure.

Speaker 8 (01:39:15):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:39:15):
I find that the easy solution to this is you
just keep your seat bet on right.

Speaker 6 (01:39:19):
Yeah, absolutely, And.

Speaker 2 (01:39:23):
News Hub, we are heading into a week of big
change in the media landscape in New Zealand. Joe, you've
been in the media for a long time. You've seen
it shift and turn in various different ways. Do you
think we're going to miss news Hub at the end
of the week.

Speaker 18 (01:39:40):
Oh, I think it will leave a gap. But like
you say, Francesca, I've been in the media probably twenty
five plus years now, and over that time the industry
has been in a constant state of change and media
institutions have come and gone in response to the market and.

Speaker 2 (01:39:59):
The audience, and so.

Speaker 4 (01:40:02):
There.

Speaker 18 (01:40:04):
I mean, I just respect to the people who jobs
are affected. I feel tremendous sympathy for them. Many of
them are people that I know, but I see that,
you know, people move on. But I suppose you know,
it's tricky when things when there is changed this in
the media, The media reports on it, and we're all
very passionate about it because we are journalists and people

(01:40:26):
sort of you hear that noise, you know, Oh well,
jobs change all the time. But you know, I think,
you know, we need a robust and diverse for the
state to hold our elected officials and our corporations to
account and raise these issues that affect us all every day.
And so you know, it's interesting times. We will we

(01:40:49):
have that in the future in any way that is
not government funded, because I'm not sure the advertiser revenue
supported model is actually something that can work.

Speaker 2 (01:41:05):
It's going to be an emotional week for the crew, Chris,
and of course, you know, my heart goes out to
anybody going through that process of redundancies, you know, in
any industry. But will you miss it, Chris, Oh, we.

Speaker 6 (01:41:19):
Will miss it hugely.

Speaker 19 (01:41:20):
I mean, obviously the wide a teament Newshub position is
a strong part of the work that we do in publicity.
But I think the part that I'm sort of the
most sad about is, you know, those programs that disappeared
both across TV and Z and with news Hub. You know,
we're talking about the Late News and the Am Show
and that sort of stuff. You know, those are the
places where journalists of the future and cruis of the future.

(01:41:40):
That's where they were starting their careers. That's where they
were going in and learning, you know, on the ground
floor how to do these jobs and to kind of
bring us those news items. And I really feel sad
that those opportunities are disappearing.

Speaker 6 (01:41:52):
I think that's going to be really challenging.

Speaker 19 (01:41:54):
To keep our market buoyant and offer it as a
really sort of wise career choice for young people coming through.

Speaker 6 (01:42:01):
It's a huge loss. And and you know, I agree
with you, Joe.

Speaker 19 (01:42:04):
There's been so much movement in the media and has
come and go, and I do hope that those people
that are coming in those roles will find new places
to go in, new outlets will pop up. But yeah,
it's a very challenging time, and my thoughts are with
them lately this week.

Speaker 2 (01:42:17):
Yeah, that's a really good point, Chris. Thank you so much,
Joe McCarroll and Chris Henry for joining us on the panel.
Up next, Jason Pine. Pretty good weekend, Really good weekend
for the Warriors, wasn't it? Did you watch that game
last night?

Speaker 8 (01:42:30):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (01:42:30):
How good was that? So he's going to be with
us in just a moment. It is twenty five to twelve.

Speaker 1 (01:42:39):
It's the Sunday session with Francesca Rudkin on News Talks.

Speaker 6 (01:42:43):
At B.

Speaker 2 (01:42:45):
And Jason Pine is coming up at midday with weekend
Sport and joins me. Now, good morning, good morning.

Speaker 3 (01:42:49):
I love a bit of unpredictability in my life, you know.
I like it when you know things aren't the same
every day and you're not quite too short what to expect.

Speaker 2 (01:42:58):
But my goodness, sometimes I just want to smack the
Warriors heads together, because last week we just sort of
stap there, sat like the stun mullets on the couch,
going what what what? Pardon? It was a bit like
watching the Trump Biden debate on Friday and then and
then last night it was just like you little beauties
here you are committed playing this is genius. Oh it

(01:43:20):
was just wonderful.

Speaker 20 (01:43:22):
Yeah, I think you've encapsulated following not just the Warriors,
but a lot of sports teams. It is a roller coaster.
You do have to go through the peaks and troughs,
through the thick and thin. And it was very very thin,
wasn't it last week?

Speaker 10 (01:43:34):
Yet?

Speaker 2 (01:43:35):
But they're not. They're not little sort of gentle roller
coats like it's a it's a death drop.

Speaker 20 (01:43:40):
No, that was a death drop last week.

Speaker 6 (01:43:41):
Yeah.

Speaker 20 (01:43:42):
I was looking for the right analogy, and you've nailed
it. It was the death drop last week. But to their credit,
they've picked themselves up, dusted themselves off, certainly have and
and and beating the broncost last night. Yeah, it's it
must be incredibly I don't know where the frustrating is
the right were, but just as a coach, you must think, well,
how can you be that bad and then this good?

(01:44:03):
I mean, they weren't will beat us last night, but
there was certainly a lot better on the line last week.
So I think I then guess you have to say
to you know, to Andrew Webster and his coaching team,
and the players look full credit kudos to you for
bouncing back, because you know, there could have easily been
some pretty deep scars from a game that happened, you know,
one week earlier that they would have carried with them.

(01:44:24):
And when the Broncos got to within a converted try
of them in the second half last night, they could
have had doubt, creeping or shivers. Is this going to
happen again? And you know, not necessarily sixty six six,
but a team overhauling a deficit as has happened in
the past this season.

Speaker 4 (01:44:39):
But good on them.

Speaker 20 (01:44:40):
I think the win was the thing, the performance almost
as important. You know, we're back on the top eight bandwagon. Francesca,
here we go right now.

Speaker 2 (01:44:49):
Yesterday you had a really interesting hour worth Scott Robertson.
You didn't talk back with him, and I know that
he hasn't actually put a team on the field to
play a game yet, but what's your impression so far?
As Razor is an All Black coach.

Speaker 20 (01:45:03):
I loved him yesterday. He was terrific. You know, the
chance to sit across the desk from him and just
basically ask him anything and his answers were so authentic,
very direct, honest. You know, he didn't try and dodge anything.
We put callers on the air and he didn't know
what they were going to ask, and they asked everything
from how he got his nickname to why he didn't

(01:45:23):
choose certain players, and he answered them all honestly. Look,
I think he's long been a pretty charismatic sort of
a guy, and I really hope that being All Blacks
coach doesn't knock that charisma out of him. As you say,
we haven't seen a team go out there yet, but
from the evidence of yesterday, it's going to be a
very fun time following the All Blacks with Scott Robertson
in charge.

Speaker 2 (01:45:44):
Certainly is. I'm going to put you on the spot here.
Next up, we've got Megan Singleton joining us. She's talking travel.
She's going to reveal the most visited place in the world.
Can you imagine where that is? Can you take a guess?
New York?

Speaker 20 (01:45:58):
No, okay, I've I've had my guess.

Speaker 2 (01:46:02):
You've had you well done? No, thanks thanks for coming.
We'll see at midday.

Speaker 20 (01:46:07):
I have to listen to find out where it is, now,
do I it's a tease, It's got a teas and rango.

Speaker 2 (01:46:11):
In the business that's what we call it teas. Hey, Jason,
thanks so much, but no, you're wrong, Thank you, Carler. Jason,
Pine of course will be.

Speaker 3 (01:46:18):
With you at midday. But have a think about it.
I mean long, there's a lot of places that kind
of come to mind. You might be thinking maybe the
taj Mahal or something like that. I don't know, but
have it, think about it. Megan's going to fill us
the next it is a nineteen to twelve news Talks.

Speaker 1 (01:46:32):
He'd be Sunday with Style the Sunday Session with Francesca
Rudkin and Wiggles for the best selection of Great Reads
news talks.

Speaker 2 (01:46:41):
Be Time to Talk Travel Meghan Singleton.

Speaker 1 (01:46:44):
Travel with Wendy wo Tours, unique fully inclusive tours around
the world.

Speaker 2 (01:46:49):
Give me a second and I'll take it.

Speaker 6 (01:46:51):
Carrey.

Speaker 2 (01:46:51):
There we go.

Speaker 3 (01:46:52):
Time to Talk Travel. Meghan Singleton joins me now blogger
at large dot com. Good morning, Good morning, So the
most visited place on Earth. I thought Piney took a
good stab at just saying New York. No, no, but
I have sort of gone for things like Eiffel Tower,
taj Mahal.

Speaker 2 (01:47:09):
You know those large kind of.

Speaker 3 (01:47:13):
Iconics, iconic attraction somebody text and say, Athens. You know
all these sort of classic iconic places that we sort
of travel to at some point in our lives because
they're full of history and culture and and things.

Speaker 21 (01:47:28):
But no, no, people might be a little bit disappointed
to know that that last year, in twenty twenty three,
one hundred and five million visitors visited the Do Buy mall.

Speaker 22 (01:47:43):
And what's more is if twelve hundred shops spread over
one point two million square meters wasn't big enough, they
are spending six hundred million dollars on expanding it. The
I've got a press release this week two hundred and
forty more shops and eateries will be in there. You've
got also not just the shopping, So if mama wants

(01:48:06):
to go shopping, don't you worry, because the kids can
or dad or whatever can go and fly in Emirates
a three eighty flight simulator.

Speaker 16 (01:48:15):
They can land in Dubai Airport. How cool.

Speaker 22 (01:48:18):
Actually, forget the shopping. I'd actually do that. There's an
Olympic size ice rink there. We've already spoken about the
ten million liter aquarium that you can actually dive in
and feed the sharks yourself and explore all of the aquarium,
and you know there's like it takes a long time
to see all this. You'd want one and a half

(01:48:40):
hours just in the aquarium. You know you're going to
want about an hour just for the flight simulator. And
what about when you get your skates on you go skating.
They've got the largest indoor VR park in the world,
with something like thirty fantastical worlds and adventures that you
can put your eye goggles on and disappear into some
sort of fantasia. You could spend up to three hours

(01:49:02):
just doing that. And then outside and we've talked about
this when I was there, is the Dubai fountains, which
are like I don't know how much times bigger than
the Billagio, designed by the same people, but incredible fountains
that are choreographed to music. And then of course you've
got the tallest building in the world, the bird Khalifa,
right there as well. So so if anyone's doing a

(01:49:24):
stopover and Dubai on their way somewhere, I think you
wouldn't get out of them all for a day.

Speaker 2 (01:49:29):
One hundred and five million visitors yeah and a year.

Speaker 16 (01:49:34):
Yeah, And I was there last year.

Speaker 2 (01:49:36):
And is it busy when you're does it feel busy?

Speaker 19 (01:49:39):
No?

Speaker 2 (01:49:39):
CHAOSI no, because I couldn't come.

Speaker 16 (01:49:41):
No, not at all.

Speaker 22 (01:49:42):
There's a lot of walking because well you're already trapsing
one point two million square meters. I can't even picture that.
And you know, but there's a lot of walking, So
put your sensible shoes on. It doesn't feel crowded because
you've got all these other people that disappeared off into
these other attractions. I mean, as something like I think

(01:50:03):
I might have made a note something like thirty five.
I've twenty six cinemas, cinema screens, so you could just.

Speaker 16 (01:50:10):
Go like and all the weathers get in bed, you
just go watch a movie.

Speaker 3 (01:50:15):
Yeah, Vegas, you'd lose days just you were there, and
you'd lose.

Speaker 16 (01:50:20):
Days and each other. I know, and I don't.

Speaker 22 (01:50:22):
Actually, you'd have to have a bit of a we
won't just meet you by this escalator because you know
you'd never find the right escalator. You would need some
sort of tracking device on your family members, I feel,
but you can buy those, you.

Speaker 3 (01:50:38):
Know, you know, you know that's true. Here we go,
kids were going in. Just put that in your pocket.

Speaker 16 (01:50:42):
That you put your Apple ear Tag and your pop.

Speaker 2 (01:50:44):
There would go.

Speaker 3 (01:50:45):
But you know how I sort of said, the Eiffel
Tower in Paris, they welcomed six point three million visitors
last year, and they were excited because that came in
it more than more than came in twenty nineteen before COVID.
So and I think New York one hundred and five million, Yeah, no.

Speaker 22 (01:51:04):
And New York gets about fifty millions something like that visitors.

Speaker 16 (01:51:09):
Yeah, it's astonishing.

Speaker 22 (01:51:11):
So anyway, all that to say is they're doing a great,
big expansion. There's also one hundred and one hundred and
fifty five million year old dinosaur skeleton in there that
you could just go. I mean I would oggle at
that for a good half hour. You know, I'll probably
take you half hour to walk to it, to be honest.
From the entrance.

Speaker 2 (01:51:29):
Amazing, amazing. And I think what we've learned from Megan
today is if you're going to Dubai and you're stopping
over and you're thinking you have a day, you might
just want to add add an extra one on It
is eleven to halve News Talks e Books.

Speaker 4 (01:51:41):
With Whitkles for the best selection of Greek reads.

Speaker 2 (01:51:45):
Joan Mackenzie is with us now to talk books. Good morning,
Good morning.

Speaker 3 (01:51:48):
You've got one of my favorite Ossie authors coming up.
We'll talk about that in just a moment, but tell
us a little bit about All the Colors of the
Dark by Chris Whittaker.

Speaker 23 (01:51:56):
Yeah. I had not read Chris Whittaker before, but a
number of people whose opinions I respect rave about a
book called We Begin at the End, which came out,
I think a couple of years ago, and I'm going
to go back and pick that up because he is
just terrific. So this is a book. It's a kind
of a I don't know what you call it, a
mystery thriller, really just great storytelling which spans thirty years,

(01:52:19):
so it's big and epic in its scope. And it's
set in a small town in Missouri where there are
a number of abductions of girls taking place. And I'm
a bit over those stories about you know, girls and
women being taken, so I wasn't too sure. But actually
it's so well done because there are two young kids
who are very good friends. His name is Patch McCauley,

(01:52:40):
and he's called Patch because he was born with one eye,
so he wears a Patch over the other eye and
his friend. Her name is Saint Saint Brown, and they
are really good friends. And then one day Patch comes
across a girl who is being attempted to be abducted
by a guy, and he steps in and saves her.
So the guy takes him instead, and he puts him

(01:53:00):
in this dark basement where he lives for a considerable time,
and the only contact he had with anybody is a
young girl called Grace, who comes in and keeps him
sane by telling him stories about the outside world and
what's going on. And once he gets out, he's determined
to find Grace and he spends the next thirty years
looking for her. It's I know that these stories of

(01:53:22):
captivity and dark goings on can sound really depressing, but
this is so beautifully written. I was just blown away
by the quality of the writing, the depth of the storyline,
and the way that it's got this extraordinary arc that
takes in the rest of their lives as a look
for this person.

Speaker 3 (01:53:39):
And even better, Joan, you've found an author who you love,
who's written other books you haven't read yet.

Speaker 23 (01:53:43):
I know, I know, isn't that good?

Speaker 2 (01:53:45):
That's the best thing now, Michael Robotham.

Speaker 3 (01:53:48):
I look, if I want to read a thriller and
pick something up and tear through it, I do love
his work.

Speaker 2 (01:53:53):
I do too.

Speaker 23 (01:53:54):
He's just terrific. So he's written lots of books. But
this is the fourth in a series about a guy
called Cyrus Vance who is a forensic psychologist. And in
these four books in this series, Cyrus has been working
with a woman named Evie, whom he found in a
professional sense when she was a young girl who was
trapped in the cupboard. Here we go again, another of

(01:54:16):
these stories. Trapped in the cupboard in a room where
some terrible things had been happening, and he then applies
himself to trying to help her to live a normal life.
So through the course of these four books you get
the ev In Cyrus story, and it's really really well
done well. This book, I believe, is the last in
this particular series, and in it, they are at the

(01:54:39):
beach one day, just as I say, trying to live
a normal life, and suddenly they see bodies washing up
on the beach, and they come from a migrant boat
which is capsized out at sea. But seeing all of
this just brings Evie's nightmare is racing back, and so
Cyrus has to try and help unravel what's going on
in the present with what happened to her in the

(01:54:59):
past and how she sees herself linked to this particular
disaster that's just happened off the coast, and ultimately it
comes full circle and takes her back to her family.
It's very well done.

Speaker 2 (01:55:11):
Thank you so much. Join those two books again, All
the Colors of the Dark by Chris Whitaker and Storm
Child by Michael Robotham. And maybe next week we could
have a book without a Woman in a Cupboard. Yeah,
I'll do it.

Speaker 4 (01:55:21):
Yes, keep It's simple. It's Sunday.

Speaker 1 (01:55:25):
The Sunday Session with Francesca Rudkin and Wig calls for
the best selection of Gray Reads.

Speaker 4 (01:55:31):
News Talk z EDB.

Speaker 2 (01:55:33):
Thank you so much for joining us this morning here
on the Sunday Session. Thank you very much to Carrie
for producing the show. Jason Pine is up next, so
much to talk about with sport. He's going to take
you through till three o'clock here on News Talks ZEDB.
Enjoy the rest of your Marti Riki long weekend, Take
care and look forward to seeing you back here next
Sunday morning.

Speaker 24 (01:55:57):
Thank you, what good fireball. That's the only thing.

Speaker 6 (01:56:46):
Yeah, the do.

Speaker 1 (01:56:48):
For more from the Sunday Session with Francesca Rudkin, listen
live to News Talks it Be from nine am Sunday,
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