Full Show Podcast: 28 July 2024

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Speaker 1 (00:06):
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Speaker 2 (00:28):
Good morning and welcome to the Sunday Session. I'm Francesca
Rudkin Rescue until midday. What a morning for Erica Fairweather.
Fourth in the final of the women's four hundred freestyle
in Paris. She was gatted she almost had third. We
are going to head to Paris shortly for an update
on all action overnight. Coming up on the show's day,
I'm joined by the fabulous Lucy Lawless. Over the years,

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there have been opportunities for Lucy to step behind the
camera and direct a project, but it wasn't until she
was offered a documentary by the legendary New Zealand war
camera woman Margaret Moth that she was keen to give
it a go, and I'm so pleased she did. The
doctor was called Never Look Away. It is a wonderful
tribute an extraordinary and complex woman. She tells us all
about Margaret Moth after ten this morning. Now many of

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us dream of packing up city life, ditching our jobs
and reinventing ourselves in the countryside. But just how easy
is it? While Matchism quit TV and his life in
Auckland and moved to Central A Tigo with his family,
He's written a book about the challenges and the joys
he's experienced, and he joins me after eleven and as always,
keen to hear from you throughout the morning. You can
text on ninety two ninety two.

Speaker 3 (01:35):
It's a Sunday session.

Speaker 2 (01:38):
So just how crazy was that Olympic opening ceremony yesterday morning?
It was bonkers in a fabulous way. When the idea
for an out of stadium opening was originally flightd it
was deemed logistically impossible for many reasons, from losing athletes
in the Seine to security concerns. But this weekend the

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French reminded us you can dream big, you can challenge
the status quo. You could attempt the unimaginable, unimaginable and
pull it off. Big sports stars and singers turned up
and they shone. But there was also magic in the
heavy metal band performing while attached to a building filled
with headless Marie Antoinette's a mechanical horse riding up the Seine,

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zip lines across the river, the Olympic flame floating beneath
a hot air balloon. There was also a fashion parade,
dancers and acrobats, and a parkhour masked torch bearer. It
was many things. It was stunning, tacky, moving, fun, a
little nuts clever and overly packed as France showed off

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its capital city, its culture, its architecture and history very
very well. I sometimes forgot what I was watching, but
then we'd head back to the scene where excited athletes
cruising in an odd assortment of barges and boats, some large,
some worryingly small, brought us back to why we were
there for a sporting competition which aims to unite the world.
Apart from an Olympic flag being raised upside down, this

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tour through the heart of Paris off without obvious incidents.
There would have been some hugely relieved city and Olympic officials.
By the end of it all. It felt like it
was made for TV, didn't it. I don't know what
it would have been like the athletes taking part. Did
they miss the roar of a crowd when walking into
a stadium? Regardless they will always be able to say
they took part in the most ambitious Olympic opening ceremony ever.

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You can just imagine the Alay Organizing Committee for the
twenty twenty eight Olympics watching and thinking, oh damn, I
mean they even include included the menage tois the opening
ceremony was a bit of a spirit lifter at the
end of what has been a grim week in New Zealand.
I don't think anyone could read or listen to the

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reports of the abuse in Royal in Care Royal Commission,
the Abuse and Care Royal Commission would without feeling horrified
and moved. Six years in the making. It is a
relief to see all members of Parliament rise to the
occasion and commit to writing these horrors the past. At first,
I was disappointed to hear brave victims who have battled

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to be heard for so long will have to wait
until November to get an official apology. But the more
I heard about the magnitude of the abuse, the cost
of that abuse, the impact of that abuse, and the
different organizations that dished out and protected the abuse, the
more I realized this is not a quick apology to make.

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So how do we right the wrong, how do we
hold people to account, how do we compensate for what
was taken from these people? And how do we respect
those who already passed, many buried in unmarked graves. This
travesty must be dealt with once and for all. It
must be done right and it must leave no stone unturned.
So how do we navigate it? Maybe we continue listening

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to those victims who finally have a voice and take
guidance from them. It is the least we can do.

Speaker 3 (04:58):
For Sunday Session.

Speaker 2 (05:01):
So a very tough job ahead for the government on
this particular issue. I'm keen to hear your thoughts about
how we compensate and how we go about this. You
can text on ninety two ninety two coming up shortly.
We've got the Children's Minister is going to talk us
through the government boot camps that are kicking off tomorrow
and this hour we will also go to Paris for
an update on all the action that took place overnight.

(05:23):
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Speaker 3 (05:26):
Relax, it's still the weekend.

Speaker 1 (05:28):
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Speaker 2 (05:36):
You're with the Sunday Session. It is fifteen past nine
and shortly we're going to talk to Children's Minister Karen
Shaw about the government's controversial boot camp pilot, which gets
under way tomorrow. But first, the official the first official
day of the competition in Paris is over heartbreaking this
morning for Erica Fairweather.

Speaker 4 (05:55):
Hey Spree were they've got a kick? Can't you find
enough to get a bronze medal? Chet Miss coming for home,
it's her gold medal. Ari An Chetmash when's gold? Some
are Macintosh third, the decade food and it's fourth. I
think for Erica Fairweather, Arian Tipmos the gold medal. Some

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are Macintosh seconds, Katie Ladicky third. It is fourth for
Erica Fairweather.

Speaker 2 (06:25):
His Erica was media immediately post race.

Speaker 5 (06:28):
Obviously a little bit gunna to get fourth. Nobody wants
to be there. But I've done myself proud. I mean,
that was an Olympic fat and I just came forth
to her, so can't complain too much.

Speaker 6 (06:38):
How much did you leave it all out there?

Speaker 5 (06:40):
I mean that was everything I had in the bank today.
It wasn't the performance I wanted to put down at all.
I've been much faster, and I think I could go
much faster, but that's the nature of sport. You can't
always be on.

Speaker 2 (06:50):
Michael Bougess is in Paris for zid me and he
joins me. Now, Good morning, Michael, Good morning, Good morning
Erica Fairweather fourth in the four hundred meters only just
it was so close.

Speaker 7 (07:05):
It was so close. You've got to feel for her.
We have seen this before in swimming. We saw Moss
Bermuster back in Beijing finished fourth as well. It's the
toughest place to finish. One hell of a race from her,
but from the whole field, a race that will be remembered.
But yeah, it was a real shame for fear whether
she had qualified third, of course third fastest, so she

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was definitely seen as a contender for metal and she
showed that. But as she admitted after the race, it
probably wasn't her best performance, you know, and so she
paid the price by the smallest possible margin.

Speaker 2 (07:43):
Yeah, I thought she was very honest, bit gracious at
the same time about that at the end of the race,
she's only twenty. Great potential for the future, well.

Speaker 7 (07:53):
She has, and I think the thing is here is
that her, Lewis Clairebert and a lot of the other
swim squad have really changed the perception of swimming in Zealand.
I've certainly raised the standards and probably raised our expectations.
Another swimmer was saying to the other day, you know
that they have dragged the level up so much, so
it is exciting. We've got a lot of swimmers pretty young.

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They'll be around for at least another cycle, maybe more.
It just depends if they want to keep doing it
because it's one of the hardest sports there is. But yeah,
she is only twenty so so on that side of things,
it is certainly very promising for the future.

Speaker 2 (08:29):
But it's not over, is it, Michael. I mean I
think Erica is back in the pool again tonight.

Speaker 7 (08:35):
Yes, yes, she's back. She's back in the pool tonight.
As you say, she's back in the pool for heats
and then hopefully another final and then the big event.
When I said tomorrow, I'm getting confused myself, but yeah,
the big event tomorrow in Paris and someday in Paris anyway,
is should be Lewis Clebert in the four hundred meter

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individual medley. This is kind of the one that I
guess everyone has seen as this could be the well,
this is the biggest chance for us to break this
long running drought in swimming of having someone in the podium,
this along with fair Weather today. Because Lewis is a
real gun, he's a real star. He's feeling really confident.
We spoke to him a few days ago. So he's

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got his heats in the morning Paris time, and then
his final at night. So that will be in terms
of events that will stop the nation tomorrow. I'd say
that will certainly be the big one.

Speaker 2 (09:32):
Now we see that the Canadian football Canadian football has
received their punishment for spying on New Zealand. What do
you make of the punishment?

Speaker 7 (09:41):
It's big, it's big, It's really big.

Speaker 8 (09:44):
You know.

Speaker 7 (09:44):
I've been following football for a long time and to
be deducted six points, I guess it shows how serious
deeper have taken this because I was expecting financial sanctions.
To be honest, I wasn't sure of that points. We've
probably had the head coach send home, the assistant coach
sent home, the analyst sent home, and I guess the

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thing I was wondering about is whether FIFA would be
prepared to punish the players because that's essentially what they're doing.
And you've got to wonder how much the players knew
about this. I'm hearing probably not that much. It was
more about the management and all their planning and trying
to get benefits out of it. So this is really
tough on the players, but it also is a line

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in the sand from FIFA and the IOC because this
was such a bad, bad look for the sport.

Speaker 2 (10:34):
If we just run through a few things which happened overnight,
Luca Jones is through to the next round in the
canoe slalom. The equestrian team, they completed their dressage, they
set forth, They've got their cross country next. The men
seven though they managed to take fifth and watched France
take gold.

Speaker 7 (10:52):
Michael, Yeah, that was absolutely incredible, It really was. It
was a career highlight actually to be here at the
stud front and see France play Fiji in the final,
absolutely remark ball atmosphere. The noise that the crowd created
is something I don't know if I've heard that noise before,

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and I've covered some better level of noise, and I've
covered some big events in my time but it was
just just amazing. It really was the outpouring of passion
and emotion. You just feel how much it meant. Some
of the fans were telling me that, you know, it
was a little bit of redemption for the rug World
Cup last year. Not completely of course, but they did
make the point that, you know, this is our moment,

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this is our chance at the Olympics, on a global
stage in rugby, in a form of rugby anyway, to
make some amends for what happened last year. And they
certainly did a spectacular performance in the final. Anton DuPont
as already a hero now be an absolute legend the
way he has come into the seventeen and really made

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the difference. And yes we have to mention the the
All Black sevens. I thought it was very impressive the
way they responded and they were absolutely devastated losing that quarterfinal.
No one expected that. Everyone thought they'd be fighting for
a medal, so to lose the quarter final, have a
day to think about it. But they came out, played

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really tough today, played two very good opponents, won both matches,
finished fifth, which was as high as they could have finished,
and I guess just just finished finished the tournament with
credit because men sevens is getting so competitive that it
is getting really really hard to fight for these medals.

Speaker 2 (12:39):
You mentioned the atmosphere in the stadium there, Michael, what
has been the what what's the atmosphere like in Paris?
Just on the streets?

Speaker 7 (12:48):
Really good, really good. I've been here almost a week now.
In the first few days I was wondering because I
wasn't seeing too many you know, supporters and fans around.
And We've been told Francesca about you know, the five
six seven million people coming to Paris for these Games,
which is remarkable, but that's what happens to you have
a games in Europe. Everyone just floods in. But I

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did notice yesterday walking around before the opening ceremony, suddenly
there were just all these people on the streets.

Speaker 9 (13:15):
Is like they've just arrived.

Speaker 7 (13:17):
There were you know, American fans, and there were some Cubans,
some Indians and Bulgarians. Just everywhere you look there were
fans with their jackets and their T shirts and so
that really built the buzz. And then the other thing
I'd say is the opening ceremony, they just got everyone
so excited. My overriding memory will be walking through the

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streets of Paris last night about midnight or twelve thirty.
I think I was trying to find a way home
because everything was sort of blocked off and closed, but
all the people just singing and laughing and dancing and
just so happy and excited after the opening ceremony. So
that kicked off the Olympics, I would say, in the
best possible way. And so the buzz is well and

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truly here after. You know, there had been some talk
and I think I did a couple of stories out
where the locals weren't happy about having the Olympics. But
I'm not feeling that sentiment right now.

Speaker 2 (14:13):
Michael Burgess, thank you so much for your time.

Speaker 7 (14:17):
Oh you're welcome, and it's really great to be able
to report from here and report on what will I
think will be a very very special Olympics.

Speaker 2 (14:25):
Also worth noting overnight the Robbers had a good start
to their campaign. Hockey, the Men lost to India three two.
The Ollie Whites lost to the USA for one.

Speaker 3 (14:37):
With the Sunday session.

Speaker 2 (14:40):
Right, the government's controversial boot camp pilot gets underway tomorrow.
Ten repeat young offenders or fifteen to seventeen year old
boys will take part in the twelfth month program at
Orange tamadi ki's Palmerston North Justice Facility. To talk us
through the start of the pilot, Children's Minister Karen Shaw
joins me. Now, thanks for your time this morning. Karen,
good morning, good morning.

Speaker 10 (15:02):
How's it going good?

Speaker 2 (15:03):
Thank you? Tell me what will these young people experience
over the next year.

Speaker 10 (15:09):
Yeah, it's a twelve month program with a three month
in residence and nine months outside of residence. And what
that means is the first three months will be within
Tildy which is Palmerston northif Justice where there will be structure,
routine address their criminal behavior which is really really important,

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but also have a rehabilitation and therapeutic component wrapped around
them as required. We'll do a full review on each
child when they first each young person when they first
start program to actually understand of what their need does
so we can we can customize the program to that

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young person.

Speaker 2 (15:53):
Karen, who's designed the pilot, it's.

Speaker 10 (15:57):
Had multiple agencies across the table along with EWI within
the area and also people with the spills needed, clinical psychologists,
social wippers and people have counseling backgrounds also so that
we get this right. Young people must face consequences for

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the serious crimes that they have committed. But what we
also must do is not just leave them and not
help them to turn their lives around and give them
a chance to a better future.

Speaker 2 (16:29):
So how will the program make these young offenders accountable?

Speaker 10 (16:34):
There will be lots of work with them for them
to understand why they committed that behavior in the first place,
taking ownership of that behavior, and some of that may
also mean working with the victims, if appropriate, so that
they can actually understand the harm that they're causing in
our communities. Because this is all about lowering the harm

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in our communities. We need to think about the victims
as well in all of this, because these young people
have committed some pretty serious crimes. They have to have
been had to have committed at least two serious crimes
with a sentence of ten years or more proven in court.
So this is not people at the very beginning that

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are just shot the thing that we can try and
view that end. This is the other end where actually
we need to be doing better.

Speaker 2 (17:28):
Have you had any communication with the young people that
will be attending all their families? Is there a willingness
to this concept to be part of it.

Speaker 10 (17:37):
So this pilot program has to have by in under
the current law, we can't make these young people do
this program. When we introduce the Young Serious Offender category,
it will be a sentencing option for judges. At the moment,
these ten young people have been talked through what this

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program can do for them and their families. They have
been through an FGC process where the families would have
been put around the table as well, and they would
have agreed to a plan at a family group conference
and it would have been included in their instancing plan.

Speaker 2 (18:13):
So everyone's kind of got to be on board the
their fender and their family.

Speaker 10 (18:18):
For the pilot program. Yes, and that's what's special about this.
I've spoken to some of the young people just just
very quickly on the day of the launch, and they're
really excited at the fact that actually we're going to
make sure that they have support and their family have
support also, because a lot of these young people really

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do care what their family think about them, and they
just want to make their family proud. So hopefully we
can help that happen.

Speaker 2 (18:50):
Karen, there has been some concern raised around the effectiveness
of the style. It is quite a controversial policy for
some people. Has this been created, you know with evidence
you know has says you know Eviden has been used
to come 't with a plan here that you know
is going to work.

Speaker 10 (19:08):
We've looked at programs that we've run in the past.
We've looked over these programs that have been rung. But
what I would also like to say is what I
inherited when I came in as Children's Minister just was
not acceptable that these young people were sitting in these
youth justice facilities with no hope for the future. If
I can add some hope for the future and rehabilitation

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for these young people which was much more than what
they were getting, and what they were getting was not working.
And the evidence to that is the crime out in
our communities right now. So if we can give something
a go that will make a real difference in these
young people's lives and in our communities and lessen the
harm in our communities, then are more for it.

Speaker 2 (19:51):
So your confident these camps will make a difference.

Speaker 10 (19:54):
I'm confident that we're doing everything we possibly can to
make a difference in these young people's lives. But let's
not be Let's not ignore the fact that it may
not work for every young person. They have to put
in the effort too. But what I can say is
we're putting in the biggest effort that this organization has

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in this space, and I'm really looking forward to seeing
the results.

Speaker 2 (20:24):
Karen, the timing isn't great for the to be kicking
off this new pilot less than a week after the
release of the Abusive Care Report, And of course you
know that report talks about the abuse in boot camps
which happened in the nineteen nineties. What is in place
to make sure that's not going to happen here.

Speaker 10 (20:45):
Yeah, First of all, I'd just like to acknowledge what
those young people suffered on Great Barrier Islands to suck
up a Cardo program and what they went through there.
These people should never have been allowed near young people.
There was no training with the staff that we're meant

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to be taking care of those young people. It was
an isolated island. It was a perfect storm for perpetrators,
and it should never have happened. What I can say
is that we have put in place of program where
young people will have access to help if anything is
untoward happening, and my expectation is that it will be

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dealt with quickly and those young people will be believed
and those young people will not be treated the way
that those young people on Grant Barrier Island were. That
was unacceptable and absolutely gut wrenching to read about. But
this is not what we're doing.

Speaker 2 (21:48):
Here, Karen, just very quickly for a listener who's asked,
where do the boys go after the first three months
once they've been in the camp.

Speaker 10 (21:56):
So the biggest focus that we have is in the
nine months of transition back into the community, making sure
that that done safely and done well, whether that supporting
the family with the young person coming back home, or
supporting the young person into employment or into a home.
They'll also have a one on one mentor that will

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follow them through the whole process who will help them
navigate what they need as they go along. It's an
intensive case management for each young person when they go
back out into the community to make sure that they
have the supports when things do get tough, they have
somebody that's backing them and helping them.

Speaker 2 (22:35):
And finally, Karen, how do we measure the success of
this pilot?

Speaker 10 (22:39):
Then what we need to do also is in the
past we haven't connected the right data to understand what
has happened once these young people have left these military
style camps or academies like the BAC program, and we
need to actually understand where the failings are. So we
will be following these young people quite closely, seeing how

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they transition back into the community and pivot is leaded
so that when we do continue this program in the fiction,
we can learn as go along.

Speaker 2 (23:12):
Oh, Karen, thank you so much for your time this morning. Appreciated.
That was Children's Minister Karen Chare. It is twenty seven
to ten News Talks ATB.

Speaker 1 (23:23):
It's the Sunday session with Francesca Rudkin on News Talks.

Speaker 2 (23:27):
At B joining me now to talk politics. We have
got New Zealand Herald's Deputy political editor Thomas Coglan. Good morning, Thomas,
Good morning. Green's conference this weekend and of course there's
a lot of expectation that there will be an announcement
on whether they plan to walk a jump. Darlene Tanner,
where are we at with this?

Speaker 9 (23:49):
Yeah, Well, the Tala drama, the Tana saga, which has
been going on March. This is incredible how long it
has taken. So yes, this AGM and christ Church basically
Green members from all around the country get to meet
with the caucus. A lot of it is just minister
sort of stuff, quite boring stuff.

Speaker 6 (24:08):
But this.

Speaker 9 (24:10):
AGM they've discussed the situation around Darling Tanna. They discussed
that yesterday Says Day afternoon. One option they appeared to
have discussed, which is to schedule what they call a
special General meeting, which is usually a zoom call where
delegates from around the country about one hundred and fifty
delegates from all the different branches, we'll get together in

(24:32):
a month's time and discussed whether to actually use that
Walker jumping legislation to boot Jarnament from Parliament altogether, she's
no longer remember the Green Caucus. But if they use
that legislation, then should be should be gone from Parliament.
So that appears to have been one of the options
that was discussed yesterday. I think it was the favorite
option and I think that's possibly the road down which

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they'll go. We'll get confirmation of that at about ten
thirty this morning when Chloe Swarbrick will announce the results
of those the liberations. But what they won't they won't.
That appears to be announcing whether or not yes or no,
they will walk a jumper. The Greens love a long
process and today all they'll be announcing is the next
step from that long process.

Speaker 2 (25:18):
Okay, So why do they need to have another meeting
in a month's time? Do they not have enough delegates
at the AGM?

Speaker 9 (25:26):
I mean, that's a very good question the Greens. The
Greens lover a process. They are a party that is
all about long, democratic consultative processes. What there appears to
have been a wee bit of disquiet ahead of the
AGM from people who are not able to make it
to christ Church to discuss this issue in person. So

(25:51):
I think one of the reasons why they're scheduling it
in a month's time is for the party members more
over the country to discuss what they'd like to have happened,
and all of their different branches, and for those branches
to them come together and tell the party what they think,
because I think was a wee bit of disquiet from
some members around the country that they would be left
out of the discussion if they couldn't make it down

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here to christ Church. But certainly if this were another
party that the other party's do teams to move much
faster from these issues and it would probably be resolved
by now. So certainly the Greens and the greens cultural
love of long democratic processes is Holden's process up.

Speaker 2 (26:33):
Just a little. They do things their own way. Got
on them.

Speaker 11 (26:35):
There we go.

Speaker 9 (26:36):
It has been it's been more than one hundred days.
I've lost count, but this whole thing kicked off in
mid March, so it's really it's it's really dragging on.
Thank everyone. I mean to be honest, even the Greens
I was knowing about in the Sea rooms, and even
the Greens acknowledged that this is you know, this has

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taken quite some time now.

Speaker 2 (27:00):
That was New Zealand HEROLD Deputy Political editor Thomas Coglan.
So we will keep you up to date throughout the
morning as to whether Thomas's prediction is correct. We should
know about ten thirty about what the Greens are going
to do. There awful lot of feedback coming in about
the opening ceremony of the Olympics. Nobody else tended to
enjoy it. From what I can gather over blow on

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one text calls at blasphemous another worst opening ceremony ever.
So look it's definitely kind of caught our attention, hasn't it.
Whether you loved it or not. As I said, I
thought the whole thing was pretty bonkers, but there were
definitely parts where that I enjoyed. I do love the

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fact that they just tried to do something different. But
it will be very interesting to see what happens when
we get to Los Angeles with it, they revert to
the traditional stadium opening. So thank you very much for
your feedback. Ninety two ninety two is the number to text.
Also earlier, Michael Burgess in Paris mentioned, of course, that
punishment which has come through for the Canadian women's football team.

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As he said, he was quite surprised at how harsh
it was. Was it harsh or if you're the Olympics
and you're doing everything to uphold your reputation that you
do not allow cheats to compete at the Olympics, you
kind of have to go hard, don't you. Of course,
it's going to have a big impact on the team themselves,
because it's going to be very hard for them now
to get the points to get through and get into

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middle contention. But ken to hear with you think that
was a tough call. Or the right thing to do.
You can text ninety two ninety two It's twenty.

Speaker 1 (28:32):
To ten Sunday with Style the Sunday Session with Francesca
Rudkin and Wiggles for the best selection of great reeds.

Speaker 2 (28:40):
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together artificial intelligence AI in a smart way, analyzing images
of weeds and crops in the field and identifying weeds
from crops and from one another at species level, and
then leading the laser system laser system to target those

(29:41):
and kill them with high accuracy.

Speaker 2 (29:43):
How accurate is that?

Speaker 12 (29:45):
Yeah, it's very accurate. It's at the moment the kill
rate is that ninety percent. Of course you still miss
a small amount, but that's the same with chemicals.

Speaker 2 (29:56):
You've been trialing at at Cloudy Bay Wines in its vineyards.
How's the trial going.

Speaker 12 (30:02):
All the trials are going great and we've been able.
They've been great to allow us to use their fields
to make the system smarter by identifying more weed species
and know what they want. What a good example of
that is get in vindyards. You don't kill all weeds.

(30:22):
You want to keep clover, for example, because it fixes nitrogen.
It's good for the soil. So that gave us the
option and unfortunity to kill other weeds you know, three
four other species, but clover is alive. So it's been
great and the progress has been wonderful in the last
twelve months.

Speaker 2 (30:41):
That's good to hear. At the moment, the map and
Z is attached to attract or a robot, is that correct?

Speaker 12 (30:48):
At the moment, we're testing it on ag researchers on
mobile robots. Sorry, but it can be attached to any
tractor or any other vehicles. So it's really not depending
on the vehicle. So people who want to buy the system.
They won't have to buy any robot, so it's quite
agnostic of the vehicle and the system that carries it.

Speaker 2 (31:11):
And then one day I know that you're hoping it
could work from a drone in hell environments. Is that right?

Speaker 12 (31:17):
Yes, that's a big it's an ambitious target. But the
fact is that from day one that I thought about
this project, I was thinking, oh, of going on drones.
At the moment, there's no need for that in our
New Zealand setup. That's more for you know, when you
go further to the fields that cannot be you know,

(31:39):
you can't carry the system in those fields. But regardless,
it's too early for drones. We're just doing imaging on drones.
Putting lasers on drones of course, has its own child.

Speaker 6 (31:50):
You want to make.

Speaker 12 (31:51):
You want to make sure that people are quite happy
about them. But we have thought of all of that.
This just needs more regulation in the future.

Speaker 2 (31:59):
Mar What are the benefits of technology.

Speaker 12 (32:01):
Like this, Well, the benefits are of twofold really. At
least one is sustainability and environment footprint. We're not trying
to eliminate chemicals yet, but what we're trying to do
is to be integrating this system into wheat control, making
it smarter, putting less footprint in the environment. So what

(32:23):
happens is that you use your chemicals to get with
a big, big weeds and then when they regenerate and
they reterminate sorry and come back, we go and eliminate
those weeds because that's what we do. Detect them early
and kill them early. And when you do that two
three seasons, you will dilute the weat seeds in the soil,

(32:45):
which is called seed bank. So that's what we do.
That's number one. But also let's not forget that weeds
are the biggest challenge to the crops yields and productivity,
so more than drought, more than disease. What is causing
crops not to perform? Our weats why because they're competing
with crops for resources, water, nutrition and everything else. That's

(33:07):
really twofolds, you know, increase of visire traits, which is
increasing productivity and reducing footprint. So they don't normally people
talk about these things. You think, you know, it's either
productivity or environment. In this case, it's both beneficial for both.

Speaker 2 (33:27):
Thank you so much for your time this morning. Doctor
Kuma's gas gam car Tell you what I could do
with a bit of map and zap in my backyard.
At the moment, it's just taking off. Isn't that fascinating
what they're what they're doing and what they're able to achieve.
It is eleven to ten newstalksic be.

Speaker 1 (33:44):
Putting the tough question to the newspakers the mic asking breakfast.

Speaker 13 (33:48):
The government's moving on interventionist courts cyber customary rights to coastlines,
basically taking it back to what it was before the
courts got involved in the first place. Just as Minister
Paul Goldsmith is, well, that's.

Speaker 14 (33:56):
What's very much about the rightem to do.

Speaker 15 (33:58):
What we're doing is reasserting that all Zealanders have an
interest in what happens in their postal and marine areas.
But we also recognized customerly marine title through the legislation,
for Parliament always set a very high bar for that
that does give valuable rights, and so we set a
high threshold in the legislation. The courts materially reduced that threshold,
and that's why we're making the unusual step of overriding

(34:18):
the courts and restating what we thought was quite clear.

Speaker 13 (34:21):
Back tomorrow at six am, the mic Hosking Breakfast with
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Okay. So not all of you were disappointed with the
opening ceremony or hated it. I've got a few texts here.
Olympic opening ceremony was fantastics, thoroughly enjoyed. Meredith texts to
say that sunny morning here on the farm and TI happy.
My husband and I just returned from Paris and the
opening ceremony. That's a quick turnarout. It was great, but

(34:59):
for one thousand and each we didn't see a whole
lot of the river, but like going to a rowing
event at a stadium, because you only see the snippet
when they go past. But alas, it was a lovely
end to our fiftieth year anniversary of our honeymoon in
Paris in seventy four. Oh, what a wonderful way to celebrate.
I hope you had an amazing trip, Meredith, And it

(35:21):
does sound like well I did feel just like what
Meredith was saying. You know you sort of saw snippets
of it when you were sort of stationary in the crowd.
It did feel like it was made for TV, didn't it.
I wasn't sure what the experience would be like on
the ground, but both Meredith and Michael earlier in the hour,
we're both raving just about the atmosphere in Paris and
how they're ready to go now with these Olympics. Hey,

(35:45):
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Speaker 2 (36:37):
Right up next, Lucy Lawless joins me to talk about
her directing debut. It's a documentary about camera woman Margaret Moth.

Speaker 6 (36:44):
Now.

Speaker 2 (36:44):
Margaret was the first female camera operator in New Zealand.
She went on to work for CNN in some of
the most the worst war zones in the world. She
had her jaw shot off and once she'd endured numerous operations,
she went back to work. Her story is extraordinary. So
Lucy Lawless is going to be with us to talk
about the making of the documentary, but she's going to

(37:05):
share a little bit more about Margaret's life with us. Next,
we're gonna firsh with a little bit of music from
Toy and also Olympians Elise Andrews and Max Brown. So
they got together with the band and they said, we'd
really love to kind of write a song, have a wonderful,
laid back, groovy, kind of modern soul little number to

(37:27):
inspire the athletes heading off to Paris. But New Zealand
does alike and so this is what they've come up with.
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The last time I spoke to Lucy Lawlas, she was
neck deep in research for her first ever feature film.
The film Air is a story of Keeve War correspondent
Margaret Moth, as story Lucy was obsessed with. She was
traveling the world interviewing and researching for the documentary. Two

(39:35):
years later, Never look Away has made its world premiere
at Sundance and is on its way to KVY screens
this week as part of the New Zealand International Film Festival. Director, writer,
and producer of Never look Away is Lucy Lawla's herself,
and she joins me, Hi, Lucy, thanks for your.

Speaker 17 (39:50):
Time, Yodda, Hi, thanks for having me so.

Speaker 2 (39:53):
As I mentioned the last time we spoke it was
about this time in twenty twenty two, and at that
point you were traveling, you were interviewing people. You know,
you were right in the middle of it all, and
it was all quite full on. It's been quite intense,
hasn't it.

Speaker 17 (40:09):
It was really intense. It was the scariest, most heart
breaking is the wrong word, but the most intense, the
most rewarding, most joyful, all the extreme emotions you can
have on a job, I had on this one. It
took me a lot of places.

Speaker 2 (40:27):
Have you enjoyed that side of it, of pulling it
all together and the research and the directing and the
producing and everything.

Speaker 17 (40:34):
Oh, I've enjoyed every moment of it, I must say.
You know, obviously I didn't do it on my own,
so I had experienced editors sort of guiding me, and
a wonderful research assistant when wen Lee, who I hope
to work with her again in some capacity. Anyway, all
I'm saying is it was an amazing team effort by

(40:55):
a lot of fabulous Kiwis to bring the story of
New Zealand's least known famous person.

Speaker 2 (41:01):
For those who aren't familiar with Margaret Moth tell us
about her.

Speaker 17 (41:06):
So Margaret Moth grew She was born in Gisbon and
then raised in Wanganui, and she had five siblings, all
born to a couple who really never wanted children, and
all the things that transpired in her childhood made her
somebody who just was hungry for extreme life experiences guy

(41:30):
diving and necks and drugs and rollerskating like night roller skating,
urban environments kind of behavior, you know. And eventually she
went off to war as a camera person and found
her metier. It's where she belonged. And then Madison's used

(41:54):
it's kind of a humph for who is this person really?

Speaker 2 (41:58):
And that was going to be my next question, because
she's a really complex character, isn't she? After everything you've
found out and what you know, what do you make
of Margrant Moths? H.

Speaker 17 (42:11):
I don't know it's nature or nurture.

Speaker 18 (42:13):
But the thing that.

Speaker 17 (42:18):
I think that she was struggling so hard to escape
her loveless, pitiless childhood actually became her superpower. When catastrophe struck,
it became her superpower and it's what enabled her to
survive and become redeemed in some sense that she lived

(42:43):
learned to live a life of service to other people
instead of just consuming everything that came in her way.

Speaker 2 (42:50):
You've said that she was a woman with an enormous
appetite in no qualms.

Speaker 6 (42:54):
What do you mean by this? There was.

Speaker 2 (43:00):
What do I mean by that?

Speaker 17 (43:02):
Well, she certainly enjoyed the pleasures of the flesh and
fel no shame about that. She never wanted to have babies,
I believe because of her mother's utterances and experiences and
you know, popping out a baby every year or so,
And I just never wanted to replicate her mother's life

(43:27):
in the life that her sisters too. You know, they
all left home at fifteen or younger, they all were
pregnant pretty quickly, and she just wanted no part of that.
So she actually had to go to court and fight
for the right to be sterilized, and she did and
never never regretted it, never looked back.

Speaker 2 (43:48):
She lived such an authentic and courageous life, didn't she, Lucy.

Speaker 17 (43:53):
Yeah, I mean here's the conundrum. She lived courageously in
that she was very honest about who she was or
the things she wanted to do, But she was still
hiding something, and she was very she kept things very
siloed off from one another, really compartmentalized, and that her

(44:15):
work people never knew anything about her private life, and
they're all quite shocked when they saw the film and
vice versa. You know, she kept everybody's secrets. She kept
everybody distinct from one another, and so I mean authenticity.
You do have questions about that, you know, like how

(44:37):
comfortable was she really if you need to hide elements
of yourself from other people, But it's just what she
chose to do, and I don't think she suffered any
qualms about any of it. Was it was all perfectly
in line with her conscience.

Speaker 2 (44:52):
It's a really interesting comment you make about people's reaction
to the film, Lucy that knew her, Yeah.

Speaker 17 (44:59):
I think they're really shocked.

Speaker 10 (45:00):
A lot of them.

Speaker 17 (45:01):
It took them a few viewings to come to terms
with it. You know, you're used to seeing seeing you know,
journalists or from CNN who have a corporate identity were
shocked that I would make a film that showed the
dirty laundry. But the fact is Margaret was not ashamed

(45:25):
of any of it, and so I felt like I
had a sacred agreement of compact with Margaret or Margaret's
goes to tell the truth as I saw it, without
fear or favor, is how she lived her life, and
I tried to carry that through in the film. So

(45:47):
there's things in there that anybody who's trying to keep
their image manicured or public consumption were shocked that I
would that I would portray on screen. But I just
felt like that was part of my deal with Margaret.

Speaker 2 (46:06):
I think Margaret would prefer that. And of course Margaret
passed away twenty ten. Wasn't it Lucy from cancer?

Speaker 3 (46:12):
Right?

Speaker 17 (46:12):
Yeah, yeah, yes, there's a bit of a story with
that actually, which we didn't cover because it would have
bogged the film the pace of the film down. But
the life saving transfusion that she got in Sarajeva when
she was hit by a sniper's bullet while driving to
work with her comrades, it actually gave her a hpatitis,

(46:34):
and in those days there was no good treatment for it,
and it caused suicidal ideation, all kinds of struggles through
that treatment, and eventually, in all likelihood, that contributed to
the cancer that she eventually died of. So that's one
of those weird wushed me pull you elements of that

(46:57):
happen in a brave life like hers, you know, where
what doesn't you know, what doesn't destroy me makes me stronger.
But sometimes what saved me well so lead to my distruction.

Speaker 2 (47:09):
What is it about war correspondence, Lucy like Margaret that
keep coming back to war zones.

Speaker 17 (47:16):
I couldn't find? And I asked this of many of them,
you know, what's the commonality with people like you? And
they said, there's none. People come from happy childhoods, people
come from miserable childhood. There's no real correlation except that
once they go most people and who choose to go

(47:37):
to that environment become trauma bonded to the job. And
that's only my observation. That's my concept. Nobody else. They
might they might pooh poo that, but in my opinion,
they become trauma bonded to the job. And when you've
been in some kind of a global error with a

(47:57):
whole city is suffering the same experience, at the same time,
you kind of only want to be with those people
who understand what you've experienced, And so when they go home,
they're very at abilities in the normal world because nobody
understands what they've been through and then when a conflict

(48:19):
kicks off, they want to get right back there because
their nervous system is tied to that that there's a
lot not a love of fear, there's some sort of
a chemical romance going on with that level of stress
that their body just wants to wants to dance.

Speaker 2 (48:37):
What do you want people to take away from this documentary?
Because I think it's a fascinating subject, but you know,
I think Margaret's going to have an impact on people.

Speaker 6 (48:48):
I hope.

Speaker 17 (48:48):
So there's these things I want them to take away,
and one is slightly it's it's the beet story of
the film, which is I want to a gender, a
respect for the profession, because in my opinion, there's no
self interest in those people being on the front line.
They're really doing it because they need the truth to
be told, they need to bear witness, they need to

(49:11):
document it. And from Margaret herself, I hope that people
look at her and go, wow, if she did so
much when so many things have been ripped away from
her beauty, her ability to communicate, her career, her teeth,
her tongue, all this stuff, and she achieved so much,

(49:32):
then who am I not to reach that little bit
ayah for the thing that I dream.

Speaker 3 (49:40):
I dream off.

Speaker 17 (49:41):
The thing that I desire is just outside your region.
If you reach a little higher, you might just get it.
So I hope that Margaret inspires them to do that.

Speaker 2 (49:51):
I know that you have been asked to direct before
and you sort of said no and things, and this
was the first time you've launched into a project like this.
I get the feeling you might be hooked on this
directing thing.

Speaker 17 (50:02):
Now, are you well, I'm afraid I am. I think
in the last twenty five years. My first job was
when I was eighteen, so that would be thirty eight years.
But say in the last twenty five years, while I
was having kids and all that stuff, I just I
didn't have my full bandwidth at my disposal. And I

(50:27):
think something has happened. When this story came up, it
exploded something in my mind and made me commit, even
though I had no idea how I was going to
pull it off, commit to something well outside my list
of desires. And it was so intoxicating and so terrifying

(50:49):
that I'm from the bonded to the job myself. So
I'm working real hard to get back to that state.
Of war asap.

Speaker 2 (51:00):
Wow, it is going to be all about though that subject,
isn't it. I mean, that's what drew you into this project,
Margaret Moth just her and I must have.

Speaker 17 (51:11):
I must have taken in everything I needed to know
about her in that news report when she was shot
back in nineteen ninety two. And because because the minute
I got that email saying do you want to make
a movie about my best friend who died some years ago?

(51:31):
I instantly jumped on it. I was, to be honest,
I was terrified that it was just a form letter
and that it had gone out to a thousand other
people and that they would get it. And like, I'm
normally just not that competitive, But something possessed me in
that moment and made me commit to something outside myself.
And I feel like, you know, Margaret picked me up

(51:55):
and booted me through the door and made me do
it because it was not kind of of my making
in some way.

Speaker 2 (52:02):
And then now here we are, and here we are
and congrage relations on premieering at Sundance. It must be
lovely though to be able to bring it home to
New Zealand as well.

Speaker 17 (52:12):
Yes, finally, because we are who I made it for
I just I just thought it was such a shame
that this wild character, one of our own, went to
the ends of the earth, to the ends of human
experience and back, and we don't really know much about it.

Speaker 2 (52:32):
So I hope you'll enjoy Well, what does this mean
for Alexa Crowe, because we're also enjoying the last series
of My Life as Murder and you know, we don't
really want that to disappear either, neither do I.

Speaker 17 (52:46):
Because I actually love watching this show. You know, it's
such kind of gentle, it's super accessible. You don't have
to you know, you're not going to be in pain,
and the world is full of pain right now. And
that show is just my little mitzvah. It's my little
you know, gift of love to not just the world

(53:09):
but my own career. You know, I've done a lot
of sex and violence and all that kind of growth stuff,
and I just didn't want to do that when we
first when I was first approached about Alexa. So yeah,
I was like, let's make something good, Let's make something kind.
You know, its balm per Hour and Saul. So I'm
delighted that other people are enjoying it now getting to

(53:31):
see my beautiful city getting to see Auckland as a
sexy urban environment very much.

Speaker 2 (53:37):
So well, Lucy, thank you so much for your time
today and best of luck with the documentary. I'm sure
it's going to do exceptionally well and be very very
popular at the film festival.

Speaker 17 (53:48):
Thanks Fantasica, thanks for time.

Speaker 2 (53:51):
Never look Away makes its New Zealand premiere at the
New Zealand International Film Festival this week. We have got
tickets up for grabs so you can see Never look
Away as part of the film Festival. To be and
to win register now at Newstalk ZDB dot co dot
m Z and for more information on the festival go
to nziff dot co dot nz.

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Speaker 2 (55:22):
Time to talk Entertainment now and I'm joined by Steve Neil,
editor at flex dot co dot NZ. Good morning, Good morning,
Deadpool and Wolverine and Wolverine number This is number three,
isn't it?

Speaker 14 (55:34):
It's the third Deadpool film.

Speaker 2 (55:35):
It's yes.

Speaker 14 (55:36):
How many Hugh Jackmen Wolverine films run a bunch? His
first outing is Wolverine since retiring the character in twenty
seventeen's logan, which was like the Old Man or was it.

Speaker 2 (55:48):
The Origin story?

Speaker 5 (55:49):
No?

Speaker 14 (55:49):
No, that was like that was theiler alert, spoiler alert
about a film from twenty seventeen.

Speaker 6 (55:54):
He dies.

Speaker 14 (55:55):
Sorry, everybody, I've gotten so bored of superhero movies. The
quality has diminished. Also just got sick of them, So
that kind of double whammy has meant that even a
professional capacity, I've been avoiding these light the plague. However,
I thought that I'd have a bit of fun with
Deadpool and Wolverine, partly because there's a big nostalgia factor,

(56:17):
like I'm being absolutely played by the corporate overlords at Marvel.
I wanted to go and see Hugh Jackman as Wolverine
and dead Pool. Okay, maybe it's not going to be
so po faced serious as your typical superhero fair and
to a large extent that's kind of true. Like, I
had a pretty decent time watching this film, but it
is not new or exciting. That's exactly what you'd expect

(56:40):
from a dead Pool film. But a lot of the
pleasure does come from things like watching Hugh Jackman choosing
to act as if he was in a traditional superhero
film with a film around him that's making fun of
that whole premise, so you kind of see that to
lesser or greater extent, And the film's supporting characters and

(57:01):
array of awesome cameos which we won't spoil for anyone here,
but sort of have this mix of people that are
whose characters in the film are one hundred percent and
on the joke to zero percent and on the joke,
and that's where that's where Jackman sit. So it makes
us some interesting straight guy, weird guy comedy.

Speaker 2 (57:18):
Okay, so you know what you're going to get. But
it's a fun night out that's very much okay.

Speaker 14 (57:23):
And it's a record setter as well. This is the
biggest R rated opening in US box office history, and
it's nice to see that the industry can't always sort
of forecast when one of these hits explode. So that
when I opened on Thursday, I had its previews on
Thursday night in the US, it was tracking to be
like the fourteenth or fifteenth biggest opening weekend in US history.

(57:45):
That's been upgraded now it's looking like the eighth or ninth.
So this thing's kind of got a momentum of its own,
and it's from those factors. I think I just mentioned
it's the Hugh Jackman nostalgia factor and being out to
have a bit of a bit of fun with a
corporate property that is so often.

Speaker 15 (58:01):
Dreary and boring.

Speaker 2 (58:02):
What is the rating, and I believe it's as.

Speaker 14 (58:05):
Sixteen, okay, brilliant. I remember for the second Deadpool film
that there was a bit of a bit of consternation
with it having a hard R rating here, and so
this was one of the territories where a re released
cut was put back out of the market that softened
the film a little bit so that teens could younger
teens could also watch it.

Speaker 2 (58:25):
I've just gone to this really handy site that tells
you everything you need to know about movies and everything.
My spider sense of ting to say, yeah, it's good,
flick stot cut own. Indeed, you're right, it is our
sixteen just in case your fourteen year old's telling you
what they're doing, so to know.

Speaker 14 (58:40):
And part of that, which is really pleasing to me,
and this is probably giving away a bit too much
of my psychology, is lets the film be quite gory,
and particularly when you've got two characters who have are
essentially invulnerable with massive healing ability. So the fights between
Deadpool and Wolverine are awesome because they will survive anything
the other throws at them, so that they are glory
as can be.

Speaker 2 (59:00):
Okay, that's probably good to know as well. Hey, you're
so enjoying the Traitors, aren't you? On three Now.

Speaker 14 (59:05):
I love this format and season two has just goes
from strength to strength. We've had eight episodes so far,
and the huge jump and quality from season one by
having normies as opposed to a mix of normies and
quasi celebrities has been super enjoyable. Some twists and turns
in the last couple of episodes that really propel this
to I think be this season out of New Zealand

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that really catches fire with international fans of the format
as well. So if you're not watching the Traders, keep
up with it Monday nights, two episodes a week on
three Now. Yes, down on top of the show, this
is really worth a watch, even among the many factors
that you may not be a fan of.

Speaker 2 (59:46):
I love it, Thank you so much. Steve Will kept
up next week. Don't forget that former TV host and
journalist Matches and he's going to be with me after
eleven to talk about his move from Auckland to Central
a Tigo to live a rural life. Once upon a time,
Matt might have been slightly obsessed as to how one
of his stories was received on the television. Now he
has obsessed with Sheep and Care and the really pretty

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ones as well. So looking forward to catching up with
met after living. This morning, it's ten to thirty News
Talks at B.

Speaker 1 (01:00:16):
It's the Sunday session with Francesca Rudkin on News Talks
at B.

Speaker 2 (01:00:22):
Doctor Michel Dikinson Nano Girl, joins me now with our
science study of the week. Good morning, Good morning. This
is an interesting one. You're talking about urine retract infections today.
UTIs where I was going out, there was always kind
of it. Always I never knew whether it was a
myth or whether it was helpful. You're always told to
drink cranberry juice.

Speaker 19 (01:00:43):
And I'm always really skeptical about these, like, oh yeah,
drink this fruit ruice and it'll be good solutions. But
actually there's a great new study that's out this week.
It's in the General European Neurology Focus. It's free, it's
over source. You can have a read of it. But
basically what it says is, yes, of all of the
old wives tales you've heard, drinking cranberry juice actually is

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one that's now scientifically valid. And anybody who's had a UTI,
and it's most of us, so women, twenty percent of
males will have one episode in their life, and anybody
who's had one as it's awful. It's also the most
common bacterial infection in children. What it says is they've
basically looked at over three thousand different people in these

(01:01:25):
different studies, and it doesn't matter if you're drinking three
hundred milli liters a day, you're taking it as a tablet,
you're having it as a concentrate, if you are having
daily cran rejuice as part of your healthy diet. It
really does not only help to reduce the risk of
you getting a UTI, but it reduces the risk of
you needing to take antibiotics. It reduces your symptoms, and

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it's all because of this beautiful chemical that's a natural
chemical called a pro anthocyanin, and it basically inhibits or
prevents the adhesion of the bacteria in this case ecoli,
to your urine. Tracked wall, so it stops the bacteria
from sticking. And that's actually how it's solving this problem.

(01:02:07):
And so they showed that fifty four percent of the
juice drinkers lowered their rate of beauty eyes. They're forty
nine percent lowered their rat of antibiotic use. And I'm
super skeptical, but I looked at the study and I
was like, huh, for the first time Old wives Tales are.

Speaker 2 (01:02:20):
Actually cranbridge is something in this And does it matter
what concentrates the cranberry juices or what sort of format takes.

Speaker 6 (01:02:28):
No.

Speaker 19 (01:02:28):
So they did all this study and they basically said,
as something as you're getting some in there, it actually
doesn't seem to matter, so don't be drinking a liter
of it of a day, right, So they study people
who did three hundred milli liters, which is about a
glass a day. But you can have the tablets too,
which I have about the same amount. In just seem
to be a small dose. And these are people who
look at every day. So some of them were taking

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it for six months, so it really has to be
part of a daily lifestyle. Sorry for the noise in
the background. I'm currently at Wellington airport if you can
hear that. But it really is a great study. It's
really easy to read European neurology focus. And yeah, if
utiiz is something that you struggle with, then you'd heard
about Cranbridge. The science now says it's a thing.

Speaker 3 (01:03:09):
Get into what.

Speaker 2 (01:03:10):
Thank you so much, Michelle. Travel's safe thatks doctor Micheldkins
in there. Soup season, isn't it? Nothing like a bit
of a soup on a on a chilly winter's day.
Will Mike venda Elson has a classic for us next
year on news talks, he'd be it is twenty three
to eleven.

Speaker 3 (01:03:29):
There's no better way to start your Sunday.

Speaker 1 (01:03:31):
It's the Sunday Session with Francesca Rutkin and Wiggles.

Speaker 3 (01:03:35):
For the best selection of great breaths used talks, he'd.

Speaker 2 (01:03:38):
Be Mike vnder Elson, our resident chef joins us. Now,
good morning, good body. You're a fan of the Olympics.

Speaker 11 (01:03:46):
I haven't seen a single smidgem of it. Unfortunately, as
much as i'd love to, there's.

Speaker 2 (01:03:52):
Plenty of time. We're only through day one in an
opening ceremony, which is quite controversial. From the feedback I've
had this morning, I don't know.

Speaker 11 (01:04:00):
I don't actually know whether i'd want to be there
with all the disruptions that's going on.

Speaker 2 (01:04:07):
It's two weeks. It's too I know that there is
that when you're living in it, and it is difficult.
But you know, Paris is certainly showing off. It's in
all its glory. Yes, even with the rainy weather. At
the opening ceremony, it did look pretty.

Speaker 11 (01:04:25):
Hard get Lady Gaga though, you know what, I know
she was singing French, but you can't get anyone more American.

Speaker 2 (01:04:33):
Ken I've never seen so many pianos put in really
awkward places. Whoever was in charge of the pianos for
the opening ceremony must have just gone, you want to
do what now, I've got to get another piano where Honestly,
that was hilarious. Anyway, moving on, You've been inspired though,
to provide us with something a classic French dish.

Speaker 11 (01:04:52):
I thought I'd do French dishes for the next two weeks.
This week is French onion suit, which you probably can't
get more French, and I've got a little bit of
history into it. French onion soup came about, like going
back to the fift century. No even earlier the thirteenth century,
and it was a peasant soup back then because onions
were both plentiful and affordable, and so it wasn't Actually

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it didn't actually become a real a dish for many
households until thirteen ninety three when it was published in
a book and it included ingredients. They changed the recipe
to include ingredients of ginger and saffron, which were rare
and expensive back then, and thus made it a dish
that would be popular in the wealthy household. So it

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went from being a peasant dish to a wealthy dish
in thirteen ninety three. Isn't that extraordinary? I'd love to
have that cookbook anyway. So French onion soup, what is it?

Speaker 6 (01:05:50):
You?

Speaker 11 (01:05:50):
Basically take? I've got this would be enough for six people,
and preheat an oven because it's going to be finished
in an oven. So turn on your other one hundred
and eighty degrees into a large pot, preferably one that
you could put into a dirt into another like a
steal or a cast on one. Heat it up over
a medium heat, and then add in two tablespoons someflour

(01:06:12):
all and a tablespoon of butter. Gently fry off six
large onions that have been peeled and sliced. So the
word gentle means I don't want to see too much
color going into those onions, so I don't want to
get them too brown as at this early point, So
just gently along with that. You've got six cloves of garlic,
sautee them off. Sautee that for about ten minutes until

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the onions just start to sweat down and just start
to soften. And then over the top you want to
add a teaspoon of sugar. What that does is now
it brings in the caramelization. A French onion soup is
a heavily caramelized soup, so very sweet. So sprinkle over
a teaspoon of sugar, saute that off for another I've
got ten minutes here until you reach a like a

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rich caramelized flavor, and that's where the sugar helps. At
this point, you want to add in two tablespoons of
plain flour. Sprinkle that over the top. Just give that
a quick little mixed through before you add. And I've
got a cup of white wine. You want to dry wine.
You don't want to sweet wine, So go dry wine.
And then one point five liters of beef stock. So
what a French onion soup is basically onions and beef

(01:07:18):
stock cooked together. Once you add the beef stock, turn
it down, cook it for a further twenty minutes, and
then take a French baguette or a sourdough or any
sort of crunchy, crusty bread, cut that into like large slices,
lay that over the top of your soup, and then
over the top you want to sprinkle some grill year
cheese which has been grated, and then fire the whole

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lot into the oven. That's going to stay in the
oven for at least thirty minutes. And what you want
after that period of time is for that soup to
soak up, all the bread to soak up the soup,
and for the cheese on top to go nice and
caramelized and crunchy and melnty. You might want to just
finish it on grill before you serve it, just to
ensure you've got a real crispy top. And then when

(01:08:01):
you serve it, you basically put your big ladle in
pass those toasted cheesy, goody breedies parties, and then into
the soup and then you ladle that out, so the
finished product is something of saltiness with the cheese, sweetness
with the onion, beefiness with the beef stock. But pull

(01:08:23):
it all together, it's quite a hearty soup.

Speaker 2 (01:08:26):
Absolutely. Something else you discovered is that onion soup is
not really part of French people's daily meals. It was
originally meant to be eaten after a family reunion in
the middle of the night to cure hangovers, and.

Speaker 11 (01:08:39):
Also when they went to the cabaretios. They'll go to
the shows and then they'll go home and they would
have French onion soup to avoid them from waking up
with a hangover.

Speaker 2 (01:08:48):
I wonder obviously it worked if they kept doing.

Speaker 11 (01:08:50):
It in the liquid.

Speaker 2 (01:08:54):
You give it a go and for you do some
research for us, Mike and let me know next week. Now,
Muzz was very upset that it wasn't a mushroom soup.
I'd tease that you were going to do a classic
soup and he was upset. But I'm sure that if
you head to Good from Scratch dot co Dot in Zmas,
you'll be able to find that recipe there as well
as Mike's Kiwi French onion soup. Also, you'll be able

(01:09:19):
to get that recipe up at Newstalk zb dot co
dot n z ford Slash Sunday later today as well.
It is a fifteen to eleven.

Speaker 1 (01:09:30):
Sunday with Style the Sunday Session with Francesca Rudkin and
Winkles for the best selection of Great.

Speaker 3 (01:09:36):
Reeds News talks.

Speaker 2 (01:09:40):
In our Politics section. In the first hour of the
show today, Thomas Coglan said that he anticipated that the
Green Party would postpone making a decision about the fate
of former Green MP Darling Tana. They are of course
having their AGM in christ Church today and they have
had a press conference and yes, the decision on the

(01:10:02):
fate of the former Green MP will be made month's time.
So Green Party co leader Chloe Swarpbrook says that the
party will hold a meeting on September the first to
decide whether to invoke the party hopping rule. She and
fellow co leader Madama Davidson have written to Tana reiterating
their request for her to stand down, but they won't
write to the Speaker seeking the removal of Tana until

(01:10:23):
they have the clear support of the party membership. Darling
Tanna has twenty one working days to respond to the
matters raised in the letters. Antana rite back in Parliament
this week is independent MP. So there we go. We
know that the Green Party like to do things in
a very democratic manner and that often means it takes
them a huge amount of time to get things done.

(01:10:44):
But possibly in another month's time we may know where
they are, where they stand on the walker jumping legislation
and whether they will put that in place. So that
is the latest. There joining me now, I have got
Aaron O'Hara natural path to talk wellness, Good morning, Good morning.
You were talking about biohacking and longevity, and look, all

(01:11:05):
I know about this is the books that I've read
that have been written about billionaires who are obsessed about
living forever and how they're going about doing it. And
a lot of that stuff does not seem terribly practical
to a normal persons such as myself.

Speaker 20 (01:11:20):
Yeah, it can seem really extreme, and a lot of
people like biohackings quite extreme. And why would you want
to live to one hundred and eighty or one hundred
and fifty years old? Some people would question that as well.
If you don't know what biohacker. Hacking is its various
tips and tricks for enhancing the body's ability to function
at its peak performance. Now, some of these can be

(01:11:43):
more lifestyle based and other things are more like biotechnology
based devices for tracking all sorts of things in your
health and wellbeing, and so you can look at trying
to get it so your body runs like an optimal
machine through all the testing that you would do and
then the changes that you would implement. Now a lot

(01:12:03):
of these new therapies are becoming really really popular, but
actually scientifically based that diet and exercise remains the most
scientifically proven thing that you can do for achieving longevity.
Which is interesting because we love trying out new hacks
and devices, but actually always comes back to basics. Can't

(01:12:25):
go past the diet and the exercise and putting that
into place. Now, some of these biohacks that might seem
a bit extreme is things like hyper oxygen chambers, which
is super super trending, especially in New Zealand at the moment.
You can even hire them out for a month, and
that's one that's got some research.

Speaker 2 (01:12:45):
Some of it's convincing, some of it are questionable to me.

Speaker 20 (01:12:49):
Chirotherapy. Cryotherapy is if you look at it like when
you go and get a warp burnt off, that's chirotherapy.

Speaker 2 (01:12:57):
But you can actually go.

Speaker 20 (01:12:58):
Into these kind of booths that are cold and they
sort of snap everything and they'll help reduce inflammation and
all sorts of supposed half benefits.

Speaker 2 (01:13:07):
Just go for a swim sea you could do.

Speaker 20 (01:13:09):
That wouldn't be as cold as going in one of
these little boats. But yeah, yeah, your ice baths are
definitely on the list of your bio hacks. Compression boots,
which I remember back when I raced triathlon was a
big thing where you put on these big sort of
space boots. They blow up and they help with supposally
and getting the circulation through the lower legs. Your saunas,

(01:13:29):
your breath work, meditation, self message tools.

Speaker 2 (01:13:34):
Intravenous vitamins. So it's really a lot of it. It's
varied from an ice bath and some breathing through to
some quite complicated machinery involved such a range of things,
and you could spend a lot of money if you're
going down that machinery pathway of the biotechnology. You just
reminded me, of course, that you used to race the
New Zealand as a triathlete, where you look at all

(01:13:56):
the stuff available now apart from the blow up boots,
is there anything else that you go gota wish that
was around when I was racing, Well, i'd use that now,
not particularly.

Speaker 20 (01:14:05):
We probably did a lot of these biohacks already, like
the ice baths when I lived in Boulder, we would
jump into the river that would have all the water
sort of running down from the rocky mountains and obviously
just like an ice bath. But I think that a
lot of the things that are on these lists things
that have been around for a lot of a long time,
especially more of the sort of natural things that you

(01:14:26):
can do without requiring gadgets and gadgets and devices are
things that most of us would consider if you were
looking at your health, so your lifestyle, like your nutrition,
whether you're looking into like intermitted fasting or elimination diets
or anti inflammatory kind of diets. If you had a
health condition, you're going to look into those sorts of things.

(01:14:47):
Breath work, meditation, consistent exercise which could be walking, could
be running, could be weights or whatever if it takes
your fancy, but more movement basically really good biohack for
your body. And if you're wanting to look into the biotechnology,
if you're really tech savy person, then we're a can
be helpful. If that keeps you motivated for keeping healthy,

(01:15:09):
then maybe it's getting a smart watch or an aura
ring that tracks you know your sleep and whether you're stressed,
how much movement, all sorts of things.

Speaker 2 (01:15:18):
That these devices too much information can be unhelpful.

Speaker 20 (01:15:22):
I personally think that, and when I race trathon, a
lot of people would have all sorts of devices on
their bikes for tracking all sorts of things. And I
actually think that we really know our body best, and
I think that sometimes it takes that trust away from
our own innate about it ability to monitor our own self,
and actually we start monitoring just through devices. And I

(01:15:45):
think also when it comes to things like sleep, when
we have these sort of devices, especially if they're monitoring
sleep like an aura.

Speaker 2 (01:15:52):
Ring, we can actually then get stressed about the how's.

Speaker 6 (01:15:55):
My WORR ring?

Speaker 2 (01:15:56):
Why did I sleep? How did I sleep? Every morning?

Speaker 20 (01:15:58):
And then you go to bed the next time and
you're like, I need a really good sleep, I need
more deep sleep, And it can actually make you feel
a little bit more stress. So I think there's two
sides to it, and I think that kind of take
it with a grain of salt. Do what really resonates
with you. You don't have to do everything. The list
can go on and on, and I think just coming
back to basic well being, good nutrition, good exercise, and

(01:16:19):
that's a good basic to buy a hacky body. Thank
you so much Erin Good to catch up, it is
six to eleven.

Speaker 3 (01:16:25):
Grab a cover.

Speaker 1 (01:16:26):
It's the Sunday Session with Francesca Rudkin and Wiggles for
the best selection of grape brings used talk Zed be
coming up next.

Speaker 2 (01:16:35):
To here on Newstalks hedb after News and Sport. Former
TV host and journalist Matchism is with us. He has
some very funny stories about leaving the rat race for
a new life in the country. He has learned a
lot on this journey. He has laughed a lot, he
has found new purpose and is having quality time with
his family. But it's not all playing salent and that

(01:16:56):
shares all as we expect him to and appreciate him
doing so. In his new book, it's called The Road
to Chatto Creek. So he is with me next, we're
going to finish the hour with some new music from
Post Malone, who, like Beyonce and everybody else, is putting
out a country album in August. He's got everybody on
this album. He's got Morgan Wallen, and he's got Blake

(01:17:17):
Shelton and Chris Stapleton. And this is his latest single
with Loophones Bactually now.

Speaker 21 (01:17:22):
To man, I'm praidy goot it breaking down, but begin
the pieces in the hornbo shoot searching for someone who's
gone building back. I ain't got a Gaby out a guy,

(01:17:43):
Hey out a guy, hang out of guy?

Speaker 18 (01:17:47):
Bag got a gable? He got a guy? He out
a guy? Hang out a guy.

Speaker 3 (01:17:55):
I ain't got a guy.

Speaker 1 (01:18:04):
Welcome to the Sunday Session with and Jessica Rudkin and
Wiggles for the best selection of great reeds us.

Speaker 2 (01:18:19):
This is a Sunday session. Good to have you with us.
I'm Francisco bunking with you until mid day. Coming up
this hour, Jason Pine is going to be with us
on Day one of the Olympics. Jason hasn't been to
sleep since seven pm last night, So good luck to
Jason for the rest of the day. Megan, as well
as on whether you should choose Airbnb or a hotel
these days, and Joan has a homegrown murder mystery before

(01:18:41):
the end of the hour. Right from the Big Smoke
to a farm in central a Tigo. Things have certainly
changed in the last few years for Matchism. Having left Auckland,
the former TV host and his family now live on
a twenty nine hectare beef and sheep farm and Chattow
Creek near Alexandra. It is a beautiful spot and Matt
has become a farmer. He has written a book sharing

(01:19:01):
his experience of joining the farming community. It's called The
Road to Chattow Creek and Matchism. Now, good morning, Good morning, Francesca.

Speaker 6 (01:19:09):
How are you good?

Speaker 2 (01:19:10):
Thank you? How cold is it at home today?

Speaker 6 (01:19:13):
Art's peachee must be about ten or eleven.

Speaker 2 (01:19:15):
Oh that's good.

Speaker 6 (01:19:17):
I didn't even put a bushirt on when I went
out to feed out this morning.

Speaker 2 (01:19:21):
Tropical. You really do love sheep and cattle, don't you,
But just the really cute pretty ones.

Speaker 6 (01:19:31):
No, I love them all actually, And you don't want
to be you don't want to be real loud when
you say that. I actually said that in the rugby
clubrooms last night. I do love my sheep, so you
don't want to say that too loudly, but it's a
weird obsession that I've had for forty odd years. Yeah,
the sheep and cattle, they really do it for me.
They don't have to be the cute ones. I love
all sheep and cattle. It's really hard to explain, but

(01:19:54):
it's just in my blood, and yeah, I can't get
enough of it.

Speaker 2 (01:19:59):
You've been attracted to the rarer species though, yeah I have.

Speaker 6 (01:20:02):
I have not just the rare ones, but I've sort
of tipping my hat here to some old traditional breeds.
I've got into the south Down sheet, which is an
old English breed pure as the day is long and
short horns, which are pretty much the south Downs of
the cattle world. But I do have some of these
Swiss black nosed Valet, which are the white, fluffy wall

(01:20:24):
with the black points and the horns, which come out
of Switzerland.

Speaker 8 (01:20:27):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:20:29):
I was reading the book, admiring the photos of these
gorgeous lambs and looking at the coats on the lambs,
and I did think to myself, I don't think that's normal.
And then a couple of pages later, your father in
law confirmed my suspicions. Are you the only person that
has little gorgeous little coats on your lambs?

Speaker 6 (01:20:47):
No, I don't think I am, because the you know,
the PGG rights ins and the farmlands, they sell these
little coats so right across the country, so I can't
be the only person, but probably they probably steer more
toward the lifestylus, you know, where everyone you keep alive.
It's really important to keep everyone in life, you know,

(01:21:07):
like the big time the serious farmers don't have time
to muck around like we Yeah, so you know I
can't handle. That's one thing that I really struggle with
in this game is the dead. The death, the dying.
It just kills me and it always has actually, and
I sometimes think that I'm not cut out. I'm far
too sensitive to be a farmer. But hopefully before I die,

(01:21:28):
I get I get, I get to manage it and
get on top of it.

Speaker 2 (01:21:31):
On that note, you know, one of the reasons that
you move to the country is that you wanted your
kids to learn about life and where our food comes from.
But you kind of took that to a whole new
level at Breeze second birthday.

Speaker 22 (01:21:44):
Oh we really did you actually have read the book
Fantastic breem myre we daughter was having a second birthday
here at the land, and Mum had organized a big
party and so everyone turned up.

Speaker 6 (01:21:56):
And it was on a Monday, actually, which must have
been the day of a birthday. And prior to that,
I've been trying to kill a cattlebys for about three
months at the start of wonderm By the time we
finally got around into it, it was the end of winter.
And the butcher rang and said, hey, look, how does
Monday the fourth sound or something like that, and I said, yep,
let's do it. And I forgot all about it. And
then he turned up and shot and butchered a cattle

(01:22:20):
beast right in front of our house, while you know,
a dozen two year olds in their parents washed from
outside our living room window. So you know, I like
to live in extremes, Francesca. I like to push the
boundaries in every way I live. And that was another one.
But it was just pure coincidence.

Speaker 2 (01:22:38):
Actually, moving to the country was always a dream for
you and your wife. How easy is it to do?

Speaker 16 (01:22:44):
Though?

Speaker 2 (01:22:44):
Was it scary leaving Auckland.

Speaker 6 (01:22:47):
It was scary leaving Auckland, and it wasn't. I mean,
it was, you know, I wasn't worried about the logistics
of it. I was worried about sort of parking my
ego and putting my career in second place behind living
a life dream, you know, like a lot of people

(01:23:08):
probably think, you know, my number one aim in the
world was to be on Italian be a journalist, but
it actually was. And I always wanted to return to
the country and live on a few acres and be
a farmer of sorts, you know. But that's not typical.
It's not usual. It's not the way we've sort of conditioned.
I don't think in life as a was anyone, but

(01:23:30):
especially as a provider, as a father figure. Maybe, And
I'll probably get in trouble.

Speaker 3 (01:23:34):
For saying that, But.

Speaker 6 (01:23:36):
So it was really hard to turn away, to look
away from a career which in the end I was
probably you know, probably done, okay, even though it's hard
for me to say that, and and you know, wave
goodbye to that and get out of the cold face
and come down here and not even be sure what
I'd do with my life, to be honest, And four

(01:23:57):
and a half years on, I'm still not even sure
what I'm going to do with my life. But we've
managed to survive. And but seriously, my number one goal
is to make sure that my family and a roof
over the head and they have good food, and outside
of that that we just live a good life. And
however I pay for that. I'm not even too worried.

Speaker 2 (01:24:15):
To be honest, because there's been moments, I imagine where
you probably feel, what are we doing? But then you know,
as captured in the book, so many moments where you
just realized how how worth it it's been.

Speaker 3 (01:24:31):
Yeah, that's right.

Speaker 6 (01:24:32):
There have been moments when I've thought, oh, cheapest, she
long enough to sell some cattle here to pay the
mortgage this month. Or there was one moment I was
flying home from a gig in the North Island, which
I often do, and I went to order a coffee
at the airport, which I often do in Wellington, and
I couldn't I couldn't buy the coffee because my card declined,

(01:24:55):
you know, and I seriously felt like I was back
at Lincoln University at the bar of a pub, only
I was wasted and I'd run out of money, so
I didn't care then, but it was kind of off putting.
You know, I was a father of three getting declined
to buy a coffee. What had happened is, you know,
I thought I had about ten grand in the bank,
had to do some invoicing, not good at that, My

(01:25:17):
wife had moved some money around to do some things.
And then all of a sudden the mortgage went out,
and all of a sudden didn't have any money, and
I transferred some money across on account wasn't an od
And then I couldn't afford a coffee. And then when
I got to Queen's Down Airport, I couldn't afford to
pay for the car parking. So I couldn't leave the
airport because I couldn't drive through the barrier without ending
up on the front page of the Queen's Down paper.

(01:25:39):
So I stuck at the airport. So I rang my
bank and they didn't seem to care that you know
I had. I was good for it. I wanted me
to fill on a whole lot of forms, and it
was Sunday and ate filling in forms, which is fair enough.
I'm not no more special than anyone else anyway. And
a fellow he heard me on the phone and recognized
me and said how much do you need? Two hundred

(01:26:00):
and five hundred slapped two hundred bucks and they managed
to drive out of there that day. So you know,
there's been moments like that where I've questioned, or you know,
lamming's a tough time and carving can be tough and
in droughts, and I'm super busy trying to juggle everything
from getting things organized to go away for three days
and coming back and the bulls jump the fence and
put themselves out with the cows a month earlier, whatever.

(01:26:22):
But then there are so many just glorious moments where
I think, and mainly around my kids really, or special
moments with farmers, and you know, you've really embraced this
community and the solidarity with farmers, and you just think,
far out, this is so good. We're in the right
place and a lot of that's been happening lately, when

(01:26:43):
you know we've managed to survive some tough times and
you know, I've got myself right again, and you know,
you're hosting a gig, you know, in our community and
there's two hundred people there and it's a celebration, and
you drive home and just think, we're very, very lucky
to live in such a beautiful place with amazing people,
and have this phenomenal sense of community.

Speaker 2 (01:27:05):
Because on this purpose too, you're an ambassador for Rural
Support Trust and as you mentioned, you're constantly traveling around
the country and talking on their behalf and turning up
at all sorts of events. Is the message getting through
about mental health? Are we dealing with it, especially in
a rural setting.

Speaker 6 (01:27:23):
Yes, it's it is getting through. It absolutely is getting through.
And I've had some amazing conversations with people who just
who I never would have thought they would buy into
this stuff. So you know, times have definitely changed, There's
no doubt about it.

Speaker 3 (01:27:39):
You know, I said in one.

Speaker 6 (01:27:43):
Meeting, if you like what I was at or one
talk was at, you know, I've never ever once been
given a hard time for putting up my hand and
saying I've battle from time to time mentally, you know.
And that's a guy who lost his father said that's
because you know, to us, you're not a you know,
you're not a for a bloody you know, walser or whatever.
You're a bloody hero, you know. And I'm just about

(01:28:03):
welling up talking about it now. Well I am, you know,
And it's not easy to put your hand up and
say that you're a bit mad. But but I've come
to think that most of us are actually a bit mad,
and you're abnormal if you never go through something in life,
if you've lived long enough. So I've forgotten the question now, Francisca,
but at well, and because you've got.

Speaker 2 (01:28:26):
Me emotional, I know, I'm sorry about that, but it is,
it is really important, and it's and it's all. You know,
You've always been very generous with how you've shared your story,
and I think that is what allows other people to
open up and talk about these things. And you mention
it again in this book that you went through a
rough patch, especially round COVID when it was so difficult
for a lot of people and things. Do you live

(01:28:49):
in the moment more now?

Speaker 5 (01:28:51):
Ah?

Speaker 6 (01:28:52):
Absolutely?

Speaker 8 (01:28:53):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:28:53):
Look, you know, I deal with a lot of anxiety
and so I've had to really really work at that.
And you know, like we're living the dream, sure, but
as I've described, sometimes living that dream can be a
bit of a nightmare.

Speaker 3 (01:29:06):
Because that's life.

Speaker 6 (01:29:07):
It's imperfect, and you know, I probably you know, I
definitely didn't think that we'd move down here, and I'd
be bloody, you know, cured, and that would be the
silver bullet. But you know, I've worked. I use a
lot of techniques and things to try and deal with
my anxiety and minimize it.

Speaker 8 (01:29:27):
You know.

Speaker 6 (01:29:27):
It could be as simple as going to bed early,
or coaching the kids rugby and soccer. You know, I
feel like I haven't got a lot of time to
do a lot of these things. But actually I can't
afford not to coach the kids rugby and the soccer
because it's so so good for me. Anything that I
can do to get out of my head stop thinking
about the mortgage or the cost of living crisis, or

(01:29:49):
food security or you know, kid's bloody, starving or getting
beaten or whatever. And I don't say that lightly is
good for me. And so I've just got to, you know,
like I haven't been brought up, I don't think, and
most of us haven't in this country to put ourselves first.
But I just need to, you know, got myself first
to make sure that I'm sweet, you know. But but

(01:30:11):
it doesn't you know, like you asked about the farmers,
and it is you know, is this message getting through.
But sometimes we're all on a bit of a treadmill,
and you know, we've got to get through a rough
patch or a really busy patch. And so you know,
like while we can have all these tips and tricks
and techniques and things, sometimes we've just got to burn
the midnight all and and you know, like, you know,

(01:30:33):
we can look after ourselves, but it doesn't change commodity
prices or you know, costs going through the roof for whatever.
So you know, there's really tough times for a lot
of people. It doesn't matter whether you're in the country,
you know, or living in cities, towns and cities across
New Zealand. So you know, and they talk about was
that gluckman who talked about this is we're going to

(01:30:54):
have a mental health pandemic? I think he might have
called it. Yes, So when did keep this stuff at
at the front of our minds?

Speaker 2 (01:31:03):
I think, I know that you've been working producing Nadia's farm.
But from that, do you watch TV anymore?

Speaker 6 (01:31:09):
No? No, I don't. I lie a little bit. I've
got a seven year old son who's very very similar
to me. He's turning eight soon, and he's obsessive and
he obsesses about things, and he's a handy weeek footy
player and he's he's found the rugby league, the Australian
Rugby League, the NRL, and he would ask me a

(01:31:30):
million questions a day, so I'd start googling, and you know,
I started watching a bit with him, and now I'm
actually watching a bit of NRL and it's probably mindless.

Speaker 2 (01:31:39):
It is a no, it's addictive. Matt, my our DH
son got us onto the NRL and we're a whole
nral family.

Speaker 23 (01:31:46):
Now.

Speaker 2 (01:31:46):
We never ever thought that was going to.

Speaker 23 (01:31:47):
Happen, so much so that you know, I looked at
taking him to Sydney for his eight eighth birthday, and
you know, in a month or two before I came
to my senses and winch that would feel like work
to me.

Speaker 10 (01:31:59):
Matt.

Speaker 2 (01:31:59):
Look, Matt, give yourself a break.

Speaker 23 (01:32:01):
Give it.

Speaker 2 (01:32:01):
Ten years. We took our my husband took our eighteen
year old son to the state of origin for the
first time. You've got ten years, You've got ten in
eighteenth perfect there you go.

Speaker 6 (01:32:13):
Yeah, Look, I don't I don't watch TV.

Speaker 11 (01:32:16):
No, I don't.

Speaker 6 (01:32:17):
I just don't. I just don't want to. I just
would prefer to be outside or you know, when the
weather's good and it's light or I just you know,
put the fire on and look at it. I just yeah,
it's you know, I don't want to talk disparage in
there about television and New Zealand, but it's just not

(01:32:38):
me anymore.

Speaker 2 (01:32:40):
Matt Chism. It has been a delight to talk to you.
Thank you so much for your time this morning. The
Road to Chatto Creek is in stores this week. It
is twenty one past eleven.

Speaker 3 (01:32:49):
Relax, it's still the weekend.

Speaker 1 (01:32:51):
It's the Sunday Session with Francesca Rudgin and Wiggles for
the best selection of great reads used talks.

Speaker 2 (01:32:58):
It'd be it is time for the Sunday Session panel
and joining me this morning, I have got New Zealand
Herald senior writer Simon Wilson. Good morning, Simon.

Speaker 7 (01:33:06):
Hi there, Francisca and Directory.

Speaker 2 (01:33:08):
Capital and political commentator Ben Thomas. How are you doing?

Speaker 6 (01:33:10):
Ben?

Speaker 2 (01:33:12):
Great good to have you both with me. Can we
just start with the abuse and Care report that came
out throughout the week and compensation. I think everybody was
horrified and very moved by what we've been learning from
the report, which of course took six years to come forward.

(01:33:33):
And you know, I was at first a bit disappointed
that we were going to have to wait until November
for a formal apology, But then as the magnitude of
the abuse and the people involved in the cost of
the abuse and everything you know about this report, the
magnitude of it is just so immense. It's going to
take a while. The really hard job now is to
work out how we are going to commensate and look

(01:33:55):
after these people.

Speaker 16 (01:33:56):
Simon, I think you're absolutely right. It's November is not
too early, not too late for an apology. The apology
needs to be something of substance, and it needs to
be delivered in the context of really a really strong
material response from the government, So they need they need
time to put that together, and I think that's a
good thing. I'm not sure that compensation actually is going

(01:34:18):
to be the hardest thing. It will be difficult to
work out, and there's a complicated process I assume that
they'll have to go through, but in a way it's
a mechanical process they can just step by stepwalk their
way through. There are some really big challenges in how
we evolve and change our systems and structure of care
for vulnerable children, and they are going to be so

(01:34:41):
much harder to solve, particularly in the context of Aranga
Tamariki and other care providers not having the funding that
they say they need. And we're going to have a
big problem on a wider society level too, in terms
of our attitudes, you know, discussions about boot camps, discussions

(01:35:02):
the whole thing of did those kids deserve it? Which
is a kind of easy prevailing the thing that people
fall into when they think about kids have done wrong.

Speaker 2 (01:35:10):
Are we're really going to ask that question?

Speaker 16 (01:35:12):
By as Simon, Well, I think we have to. I
think we have to ask how are we going to
build us rebuild ourselves a society that doesn't mean that
a third of children who are placed into special care
in some way become abused. I mean what the Inquirer
has told us is so horrifying. It challenges all of us.

(01:35:33):
It's not just about money, it's about structures and it's
about attitudes too.

Speaker 2 (01:35:38):
Ben, do you agree. Do you think the biggest challenge
is looking forward?

Speaker 8 (01:35:42):
Well, look, I think the question of how you prevent
abuse in the future is certainly, you know, the biggest question.
It's not a new question, you know, Odung Tamadiki gets
restructured roughly every sort of eighteen months. It's you know,
this is an enduring issue. You know, what do you
do with the most vulnerable parts of our society, who

(01:36:06):
whose lives are headed on the wrong track? But but
you know, how do you reset that? And no one's
no one's come up with good so yet you know,
obviously you put them into better homes, you keep any
family or extended family, but you know, outside of immediate harm,
and it's it's just easier said than done. And look,

(01:36:27):
you know, I don't a time I think he has
been making the progress. It's intidental. We agreements, we have
capacity to do that kind of thing, and that's sort
of irrespective of Section seven AA. But yeah, they're still
you know, ultimately, as Karen's House says, you know, you
can't ever make guarantees. And you know, there's a terrible shame.

(01:36:52):
I mean, in terms of the compensation issue, I mean,
I think Simon's right, it's it's not necessarily difficult. You know,
in the past, we've seen things, you know, the ads
there were sort of lump sums for historical sectional abuse,
for instance, So you know, these sort of mechanisms have
existed in the past. The most social development previously had

(01:37:17):
a sort of process for this sort of limited compensation available,
but it was pretty bureaucratic and hard to get through.
And I assume that, you know, any kind of compensation
would have to be a little easier to access. But
then you get into the politics and the fiscal position
and do you really want the high ranking gang members
of coming and collecting their checks as well? And that

(01:37:38):
might be a bit tougher for the government.

Speaker 2 (01:37:40):
Yeah, but I mean if it is for the abuse
that they experienced, then they should be able to. But
this is where it gets tricky too, Simon, because it's
not just about money. Should there be priority medical care
and helpful for people who have been abused? Should we
be taking it into consideration when it comes to sentencing.
That's something which we're trying to remove from the system
at the moment, you know, like the implications of what

(01:38:01):
these people have lost and had on their lives. It's
more than just money.

Speaker 16 (01:38:06):
I absolutely agree with you about that. And in relation
to gangs, the Inquiry report has made it really clear
that the state care system was instrumental in creating the
gang culture that we have in parts of this country
and that responsibility has to be addressed. I think one

(01:38:27):
of the useful ways to ask the question, it's a
very confronting question to me, is how would you de
gang New Zealand? What would you do if you said, Okay,
we're going to do what it takes to eliminate the
influence of gangs in our communities. Some people might say

(01:38:51):
you just lock them all up, but there's no evidence
that works, and there's a lot of evidence of the
reverse works when you do that. So what would it
take on a society wide basis to say, okay, kids
who are currently looking at maybe gangs, is for me
to steal in different directions. And you start to see
quite quickly how comprehensive that that kind of approach would be.

(01:39:14):
But you also see that you've got to get alongside
the gangs themselves and go, okay, how are we going
to work with you to to refocus you? Yeah? Not
easy at all to do that, isn't that what we
have to do?

Speaker 6 (01:39:27):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:39:28):
And let's hope we do keep asking those really hard
questions because we can do hard things. Then the Greens
they're going to wait another month until they come up
with the decision as to what they're going to do
with Darling Tama. This has been going on since March.
I know that this is the way they deal with
these issues, but this is really dragging.

Speaker 8 (01:39:47):
Well, it's almost like a kind of satirical pieces and
that's you know, the Greens have been approaching it through
a consensus decision making process and there've been one vote
short of expelling Darlene Kana the whole time. You know,
I think they really need to just show a bit
ofleadership at the parliamentary level, explained to their members why

(01:40:10):
in this case the worker jumping legislation would be appropriate
to invoke. I know that the sort of regard that
they have for the late and great Rock Donald seems
to be a real mental block to them in terms
of the walker jumping legislation. But look, if they're worried
about being hypocrites, they're already voted for the legislation. You
know that Waker has sailed and their objection as a

(01:40:34):
party to the walker jumping legislation was that it would
be used to stifle principal dissent, to allow autocratic party
leaders to you know, throw out opposition and really kind
of stifle democracy. I don't think there's anyone, not really
even Darling Tana, who is arguing that, you know, she

(01:40:54):
was placed there by twenty two thousand and five hundred
Green voters specifically, and that she's serving a particular constituency
and that she has support, and that she left on
a matter of principle, the matter of the the reason
she left was that they had no confidence in her
because of her personal and professional conduct, or at least
her inability to clear up questions about her personal and

(01:41:18):
professional conduct, and that led to questions about her reliance.
And so I think it's pretty easy to distinguish this
from their more principled opposition to invoking the bill.

Speaker 2 (01:41:29):
Now, I mean, you're right, You're right, you come in
on the party list, you behave in a way that
is deemed inappropriate, and that the party doesn't believe that
you qualify really to belong to the party anymore. Yeah,
I'm not sure why you think you're qualified a certain parliament. Simon.

Speaker 16 (01:41:46):
Well, I think that the difficulty that the Queen's have
with this is that they'd like it to go away.
We all would like all our problems to go away.
Of course, the Queen's are no doubt and there is
no guarantee that that can happen. If she stays in parliament,
who knows what she will do might do in the
future to embarrass them. If she is Whatker jumped out
of parliament, then that will mean that the Green's opponents

(01:42:11):
in Parliament, the government parties, will forever after attackle with that.
So they can't make it just go away unless Darlene
Tanna herself resigned, So they are really wrapping up the
pressure on her because that is the best solution for them,
and there will be a few more weeks of it.
The deeper problem the Greens have is that they've got

(01:42:34):
this process which is democratic, which is consensus based, as
Ben says, and they it will lead them to processes
where the members feel involved. But it clearly is a
disaster for them in public in terms of public relations,
and they have to evolve a better way of making
these kinds of decisions to do it more functionally, and

(01:42:57):
then they have to work out how to get there,
because changing the way the Greens do things means you've
got to get the Green members to agree to do
the change. That's going to be tough for them, but
that is a really big political challenge. If they do
grow as a party, as Chloe Swarlbrook has said they
really want to do, they've got to devout that ability

(01:43:17):
to knock these things on the head much more quickly.

Speaker 2 (01:43:20):
Ben Thomas, Simon Wilson, thank you so much for your
time this morning. It is twenty four to twelve.

Speaker 1 (01:43:29):
It's the Sunday session with Francesca Rudkin on News Talks
at b.

Speaker 2 (01:43:36):
Joining me now is Jason Pine. Jason's going to be
with you at midday for a weekend sport. What hour
is this awake? Good question, because you have been at
work since seven pm last night.

Speaker 24 (01:43:46):
Yes, I had a wee nap used that afternoon, so
I think I woke up around six pm. Add six
to go to midnight as need mind eighteen hours.

Speaker 2 (01:43:54):
Yeah, so you worked all night commentating bringing us the
Olympics and you haven't left. You've been here all morning
and you're about to do a show. Best of luck
with that funny. I've been sitting here talking about how
much fun the Olympics is and part of the fun
is watching sport that you don't often see all the time.
And you were just talking about what GM when it

(01:44:15):
comes to gymnastic so what these gymnasts can do. We
were just saying, it makes you kind of you know,
you're talking about the men's rings and things, and it
makes you just kind of you know, you walk, you're
in the park and you walk past one of those
exercise kind of you know areas where they've got all
sorts of space. You just want to kind of go
and hang off something to see whether you've actually got
any upper body strength at all.

Speaker 24 (01:44:35):
But I wouldn't have told is it really to do?
I wouldn't have to try it to tell you the
answer to that. But yeah, I mean, just the and
we're just looking at Emma Twigger. You know, she won
her single skulls heat easily and there's nothing to her
but her power to weight ratio must be incredible.

Speaker 2 (01:44:53):
This is so much fun. Haven't been able to follow it,
follow you guys throughout the night and in the morning
and your summary. Of course you've got the podcast as well,
so you're going to do this for two weeks. Okay,
good on your pony. What have you got coming up
on the shows?

Speaker 24 (01:45:05):
Well, we are going to cover off the Olympics. Obviously,
I was so gutted for Erica Fairweather. I just she
just seems like such a laid back, lovely girl, and
to put everything in to get to where she is.
It's such a stacked field. I mean, to come forth
in a field like that is absolutely no disgrace.

Speaker 2 (01:45:22):
I love to honesty this morning when she said, I'm
really gutted. It wasn't my best performance, but I have
to own it and I have to accept it, and
you know, and then she got a bit terry. We
got a bit terry here in the newsroom felt for it.
But look it's not over. There's more to come. Yeah,
she's back in the pool and that's that.

Speaker 24 (01:45:36):
And that is a really interesting point, is that how
do you put the disappointment behind you when you know
she's got to swim again tonight. So how does she
draw a line under it? I don't know that she
ever possibly can, because the problem is that's her strongest event,
the four hundred three, even though it's a stacked field,
that's her best event. She is good in the two
hundred free and the eight hundred free, but her best

(01:45:58):
medal chance was the four hundred So that's gone now.
So does that motivate her? Does she become despondent? How
as a coach, do you you know, do you lift
her up again? I'm going to get a coaching guru
on to talk about that very thing. Actually, how do
you put it behind you?

Speaker 2 (01:46:13):
Look, you've got to remember that these kids, and she's
a kid, she's twenty, right, you know, they've actually been
traveling the world, competing against the best at big events.
Not the Olympics, but big events. I mean, this is
what they do. They're kind of they have prepared a
little bit for the seventh.

Speaker 24 (01:46:32):
Yeah, she's not twenty like we were twenty.

Speaker 2 (01:46:33):
No, no, not at all.

Speaker 24 (01:46:36):
Slightly more worldly.

Speaker 2 (01:46:38):
Let's not go there. That sounds very exciting.

Speaker 24 (01:46:41):
Yeah, No, we're going to Yes, we'll cover I mean
we're going to jump around to the Olympics. Also the
All Blacks name there at rugby Championship squad this afternoon
at three o'clock because other sport goes on as well,
they're going to add four players. Which four players might
they add? Will have a chat about that and what
else is happening. I'm sure other things are. But after
eighteen hours without a heck of a lot of rest,

(01:47:02):
I'll just look, I'll go and when you come out,
I'll come in and let's see what transpires.

Speaker 2 (01:47:06):
Let's see what happens. You go get yourself another V.
We saw Piney sort of walking around walking around.

Speaker 11 (01:47:12):
The office before the V we met.

Speaker 2 (01:47:15):
This is really good stuff and I'm thinking, oh, I'm
not sure it's going to get you the three, but
best of luck, Piny.

Speaker 24 (01:47:19):
I think I've exceeded the state of dust you have.

Speaker 2 (01:47:21):
You're a trooper. You're doing brilliantly. It is eighteen to
twelve Sunday.

Speaker 1 (01:47:25):
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Speaker 2 (01:47:39):
The world, and Meghan Singleton joins me now to talk
travel bloger at large dot com.

Speaker 25 (01:47:44):
Good morning, Good morning, Francesca.

Speaker 2 (01:47:47):
We seem to fluctuate, and there'll always be something going
on with Airbnb, or there was something going on with hotels,
and I'm never quite sure what is the best deal
and what's the safest deal. There's been a few issues
recently with Airbnb.

Speaker 3 (01:47:59):
Is that right?

Speaker 25 (01:48:00):
Well, there's been a study that's come out recently to
show that actually people are swinging back from the peace
to pair accommodation like your airbnbs in favor of the
large hotels. And I ran a little in unscientific poll
on my Facebook group asking people about any Airbnb issues
that they might have had with cancelations. And that is
part of it, because you can get canceled on and

(01:48:24):
although there are consequences for the hosts, they're not major
enough to there's no kind of recourse for you, like
as the person's staying right. So what if you were
in Paris and you you're there now and your Airbnb
cancels on you, Well, there's not going to be anywhere
else in the city that you can just suddenly find
at the last minute. So I think that's part of it.
There's other reasons that people are swinging back. This is

(01:48:47):
the statistics out of travel insurance company Europe Assistance. So
Hotelias rejoice. People are heading back to you for the
better bang for the buck, for reliability, for safety, and
for the facilities and amenities that hotels offer. So some
of the things and I want to talk about this
form and that Airbnb have been sneakily doing is adding

(01:49:10):
on exorbitant cleaning fees up to four hundred dollars you
could be charged on top of your nightly accommodation for
the cleaning fee. So I know that they're trying to
take that to task and they're addressing hosts about that
and you're only meant to charge that get cost for
cleaning and not just make a profit and all of that.
But also airbnb and short term rental options are being

(01:49:34):
policed by the city. You might say, there's fees being added,
there's levees being added, they're trying to dissuade you know,
short term accommodation options. And well Victoria in Australia is
about to introduce it a short term stay levee because
you know, this all does does increase the lack of

(01:49:55):
apartments for citizens. You know, So the whole accommodation airbnb
thing New York City is super super tight. You can't
read anything out for less than thirty days, so you're
actually really you know, letting it for a person who's
working in the city. Really Barcelona, they're having to come

(01:50:16):
up with a whole new idea and how they're going
to deal with it.

Speaker 2 (01:50:19):
So it's really interesting, definitely worth shopping around. That's really
the key thing isn't it. And I think it kind
of depends on what location you end up at as
to what's the best best solution for you as well.
Thank you very much, Megan Singleton.

Speaker 3 (01:50:32):
Books with Wiggles for the best selection of great Reads.

Speaker 2 (01:50:38):
And joining me now is Joan Mackenzie. Good morning, Joan, Hello,
how are you good? Thank you? What have you got
for us today?

Speaker 26 (01:50:45):
I've got two New Zealand books actually, which is really nice.
One is fiction, the other is not. So I'll start
with the fiction, which is called I think it's the
first I hope in a series. I hope these guys
are going to do more books. And I think that
the main title of the Bookshop Detectives is probably going
to be the name of the series, and the subtitle
is Dead Girl Gone Now. This is rush And by

(01:51:06):
a couple who own a couple of bookstores in Hawke's Bay.
Their names are garethon Louise Ward, and they have these
lovely independent bookstores which I hope you really well for them.
And they came to New Zealand from the UK some
years ago and they'd been in the police force in
the UK and the characters in their book have very
similar names. So they're clearly modeled on themselves. Gareth and

(01:51:29):
Louise are the real people in the book. They're Gas
and Aloise, and they get involved in a cold case
in Hawke's Bay where back in nineteen ninety nine a
young Tamasha schoolgirl disappeared and has never been sound. Now,
one day, their publisher's rep turns up to their bookstore,
which is called Sherlock Tomes, so you can see that

(01:51:50):
this is quirky and witty and a lot of fun,
and she comes in to tell them that a world
famous author wants to launch her new book in their store,
which is a really big deal because this is a global,
international best selling author, and the book is full of
For someone like me who works in the industry, it's
full of clever, little witty things. The name of this

(01:52:12):
author is Isabella Garante, and anybody who knows their modern
literature will know that there's a very famous Italian also
called Eleana Ferante. So they've modeled a lot of what's
in this story on real people or real events, and
Isabella Garante has said that they must launch her new book.

(01:52:33):
So while they're in the countdown getting ready for that
to happen, a mystery parcel turns up on their doorstep,
which gets them involved, as I said, in this cold
case where they're trying to solve the mystery of what
happened to that girl so many years ago.

Speaker 2 (01:52:47):
And sorry, I know you go oh. I was just
going to move us along, if that was all right,
because I do want you to talk about Steve Brauness's book,
The Survivors. He joined us on the show recently. He
just does write about true crime so well.

Speaker 26 (01:53:00):
I think he is one of our finest writers. He
is extraordinary the way that he sees the detail behind
things and writes so movingly. He can tell you about
what's going on in a court case or in somebody's life,
and then he can write about the trees and the
sky and the small minutier of life that's going on
around them. He's simply extraordinary. This is the third in

(01:53:23):
the series, which he probably told you, and it's called
The Survivors, which it's about crime and punishment, but it's
more than that. It's also about people who've survived their
own circumstances or the circumstances that they've found themselves in.

Speaker 2 (01:53:38):
No, he's the other thing I really enjoyed about the
book Joan Was. He talks about the impact that following
crime betweenty years has had on him as.

Speaker 26 (01:53:47):
Well, has had on him absolutely, and this I believe
is the last of the books that he's going to
write because he says he just can't do it anymore.
I do just want to make one small analogy. A
lot of your listeners will know the books of Trent
Dalton who wrote Boy Swallows Universe and Roll in the Mirror,
which I've talked about on your show. He lives in
Queensland and he writes out the dispossessed and the downtrodden

(01:54:09):
in Queensland. Was incredible empathy and compassion, and I think
in many ways Steve Burnius does that for our people
in their real lives with extraordinary compassion and empathy. I
love this book. I kept reading bits out to my
husband because it is so well put together and so
well written.

Speaker 2 (01:54:26):
I think that's a very good connection to make. Thank
you so much, Joe. In those two books, the Bookshop
Detectives by Gareth Ward and Louise Ward and The Survivors
by Steve Braunius. And of course you can go to
news Talks, dB dot co dot m z Ford Slash
Sunday and have a listen to Steve talking about what
it has been like to write about true crime for
twenty years. That was a previous interview that we did

(01:54:46):
news Talks EDB.

Speaker 3 (01:54:47):
Keep it simple.

Speaker 1 (01:54:48):
It's Sunday, the Sunday Session with Francesca Rudkin and Wiggles
for the best selection of great readings.

Speaker 3 (01:54:55):
News Talks EDB.

Speaker 2 (01:54:56):
Thank you so much for joining us this morning here
on the show. Thank you so much to Carrie for
producing the show. Don't forget that Jason Pine is with
you at midday, taking you through the three clock and
then I think he's going to go home for a
rather big nat before he comes back and starts work
again at nine o'clock tonight. These sports journalists is as
tough as it is. They live for things. They live

(01:55:19):
for the Olympics. They're loving every minute a bit. Hey
you next week on the show, make sure you join
me because I have got the delightful Elijah Wood in
for a chat Frodo himself. He is the star of
a new KWI film called Bookworm. So we're going to
talk about bringing back old school live action films for families.

(01:55:40):
The impact of fatherhood on him and how he thrived
actually being a child actor. So really excited to have
Elijah Wood on the show next week. We're going to
finish the show today with a little bit of lime Cordial.
There's an Australian band. They've released their new album and
enough of the sweet talk. This is Facts of Life
off that album and they are going to join me

(01:56:02):
on Jack Thames Saturday Mornings next week. I'm going to
fill in for Jack because he's away for a week,
so looking forward to catching up with them as well.
I enjoy the rest of your day, Have a great week,
See you next weekend.

Speaker 18 (01:56:12):
Fox Goode, feel so.

Speaker 16 (01:56:18):
Dison.

Speaker 18 (01:56:19):
Fox gets the Fox.

Speaker 3 (01:56:54):
For more from the Sunday session with Francesca Rudkin.

Speaker 1 (01:56:57):
Listen live to News Talks it'd be from nine am Sunday,
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