Full Show Podcast: 18 August 2024

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Speaker 1 (00:06):
You're listening to the Sunday Session podcast with Francesca Rudkin
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Speaker 2 (00:13):
It's Sunday. You know what that means.

Speaker 1 (00:15):
It's the Sunday Session with Francesca Rudkins and Wickles for
the best selection of great reeds us Talks EDB.

Speaker 3 (00:29):
Good morning, Welcome to the Sunday Session. I'm Francesca Rudkin,
with you until midday to day. Well, it was a
miserable night in Auckland last night, but that didn't stop
the All Blacks from making a statement against Argentina and
Strawn is with us shortly with his thoughts on the game.
It has actually been largely a wet weekend across the country.

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But if you need a little bit of cheering, up
Spring is only two weeks away today. So that's quite exciting,
isn't it. My feature guest after ten is the former
director of the FBI, James Comey. James has lived a
fascinating life. He's been an attorney for an investment company,
a prosecutor fired by Donald Trump, as the director of
the FBI. He's taken all these interesting life experiences and

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started writing fiction. And he writes a pretty good crime thriller,
We talk about the release of his second novel, Westport,
and get his thoughts of what is going on politically
in the US. So James Comy is with me after ten.
Like so many industries, the fashion industry has taken a
hit over the last few years, but there is plenty
to be positive about. A fashion event called woll On

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is in its twentieth year in Central A, Tigo and
is doing an incredible job of showcasing high end fashion
that has a focus on yes you guessed at wool
will On as a competition with awards given out on
the night by a panel of expert judges, including renowned
designer Liz Mitchell. Liz is going to join me to
talk about the ongoing potential and innovation around woll just

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after eleven and of course most welcome to text anytimes
throughout the morning. On ninety two ninety two.

Speaker 2 (02:00):
For Sunday Session, a week after.

Speaker 3 (02:06):
The Paris Olympics has wrapped up, and still the global
interest in Ossie Breakdance of Raygun continues. A huge amount
of energy is going into trolling, bullying, abusing, mocking, call
it what you want. The thirty six year old Breaker
Rachel raygun Gun. I don't understand why people are wasting
time and energy on an embarrassing performance by a breaker

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at the Olympics. Australia has had one of its best
Olympics and there is much to celebrate, but one errant
performance is getting disproportionate attention. I would have thought failing
to score a point in being judged zero would have
been tough enough to deal with, but no, the keyboard
warriors felt obliged to really rub it in, and Raygun
showed us that she might be able to fulfill your

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Olympic dreams in unlikely ways and gave us a laugh.
She became a meme, but her story should not have
lasted longer than forty eight hours. In the new cycle.
Raygun is not the only one to put themselves out
there and to be responded with hate and abuse. Recently,
New Zealand singer Marla Kavanagh has also faced abuse after

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singing the anthem at the All Blacks match against Fiji
and San Diego. The death threats and hate mail she
received online it lasted weeks after the performance. People attacked
her and her cleft affected child, which is just beyond
appropriate and she's afraid to return to New Zealand. And Yesterday,

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the brother of Blues and All Blacks rugby player Harry
Plummer spoke out about the endless amount of hate professional
players received. Benjamin Plumber talks about how his brother has
put up with years of abuse, death threats again and
personal attacks since missing a kick in twenty nineteen. I
think most of us have respect for those who dedicate

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themselves and reached the pinnacle of their sport, but as fans,
we seem to think we have the right to get
personal rather than have a constructive and rational chat about
a game of footy. No one should be at the
end of a death threat for singing an anthem, dancing
like a kangaroo or playing a game of sport. The

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tall poppy syndrome has been part of life in New
Zealand forever, but as we've watched more and more Kei
Wes achieve amazing things, both locally and globally. I can't
hope that we've grown out of the silliness, but thanks
to social media, we've been empowered to anonymously throw our
nasty two cents worth in. It is time to simply
calm the farm we should put our energy into celebrating

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the good rather than piling on the hate. These people
are only human and no one is perfect. What do
we achieve by tearing each other down? I can tell
you nothing.

Speaker 2 (04:48):
It is all the Sunday Session.

Speaker 3 (04:52):
Nine Fast eleven here on News Talks be can to
hear your thoughts. Look, we're allowed to critique, We're allowed
to have discussions, have them in your lounge, have them
at the workplace. But unnamed personal abuse that seems to
be attacking anybody who sort of lifts their head up
above the parapet at the moment just seems to be
getting out of control. Can tear your thoughts. It is

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twelve past nine News TALKSB.

Speaker 1 (05:17):
Sunday with Style The Sunday Session with Francesca Rudgin and
Wiggles for the best selection of great Reads News Talks EBB.

Speaker 3 (05:28):
Somebody has sedesced that it might be good if I
did a bit of background research into how Reagun actually
made it into the Olympics in the first place. YEP,
read all those stories and it would seem to me
that then you would be directing questions towards the Australian
Olympic Committee and those who selected the team, wouldn't you
so not just the person who was selected and ended
up going. It's thank you very much for your feedback.

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Most welcome. Is New Zealand at risk of political corruption?
That's the question being asked in a new report by
the Helen Clark Foundation. The report, authored by Philippa Yasbek,
looks into the transparency of our government systems and it's
identified five areas most vulnerable to corrupt practices. Those are
political lobbying, donationsia access, foreign bribery, and beneficial ownership of

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corporate entities. So do we need tougher rules to protect
New Zealand against political corruption? Former Attorney General and National
Cabinet Minister Chris van Lason has read the report, He
wrote the ford for it, and he joins me, now,
good morning Chris.

Speaker 4 (06:30):
Good morning to you.

Speaker 2 (06:32):
Hey.

Speaker 3 (06:32):
How important is the discussion this report has raised.

Speaker 4 (06:36):
I think it's a very very passful discussion. As I
said in my introduction, it's non party political, so the
fact that was published by the Helen Clark Foundation doesn't
mean it's necessarily left wing. But it does raise important issues,
for example, the Official Information Act and compliance with it,
and whether we need a tougher raging. That's not a

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national party or a labor party issue. It's a non
party political important issue.

Speaker 3 (07:04):
Are we or any government at great a risk of corruption?
Is the risk getting greater?

Speaker 4 (07:12):
What I would prefer to say is that we pride
ourselves on our adherence to the rule of law and
having a transparent and honest political system. We can never
rest on our laurels, and from time to time we
need to look at some of these issues because they
are very much issues overseas. So we just need to

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keep keep in mind that our system is very precious
and that we have to take steps on a regular
basis to review our things are going.

Speaker 3 (07:44):
Chris, are we a bit naive to the possibility of
political corruption?

Speaker 5 (07:49):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (07:49):
I think New Zealand's naved many things, but certainly corruption
is as I described in the forward, and insidious cancer.
It can creep up on you. People would say, well,
we're not Venezuela, we're not Lumbia places like that. Well
maybe not, but nonetheless the potential for abuse exists and

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we must always be alert to it.

Speaker 3 (08:12):
Is it because our political integrity has involved from social
norms rather than good systems? Is that how you see it.

Speaker 4 (08:22):
Well, I think that's actly a very good way of
describing it. Yeah, we've inherited a system based on certain
social norms. What we need to do is, as I say,
not rest on our laurels, but make sure that our
standards are kept very very high, respect for the rule
of law, respect for the fact that public service is

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exactly that service. It's not an opportunity to guard for
one's own personal benefit. So these things are important and
they need to be checked regularly.

Speaker 3 (08:56):
Do you think we have a commitment would do you
think we are committed to being politically transparent or do
we just pay lip service to transparency.

Speaker 4 (09:06):
That's a really good question. In relation to the Official
Information Act, I describe it in the forward as a
venerable piece of legislation that everyone pays homage to. But
it's very much a system where if people get an OAA,
they try and work out how to avoid answering it,

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so the spirit of the legislation is not always observed.
So I do think in many respects we pay lip
servers to the principle of access to official information.

Speaker 3 (09:40):
Because at the moment there is a lack of penalties
if you don't comply with an OA. Is that right?

Speaker 4 (09:46):
Yeah? And I was very interested in the report to
see that the author is suggesting that we look to
other more modern pieces of official information legislation which do
have penalties. And there's nothing like penalizing a government department,
finding them to bring them to heal.

Speaker 3 (10:07):
There should be penalties, shouldn't there.

Speaker 4 (10:10):
Yeah. I would have thought it was a natural development
given the way in which sometimes the OIA is administered.
And again I emphasize that's a non party political issue.
It's a function of government that governments don't like certain
information released and often it runs counter to the spirit

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and philosophy of the official information at Chris.

Speaker 3 (10:35):
Another one of another area that's been identified as vulnerable
and one that I think is probably sort of stuck
out over recent years is lobbying. Do you have an
issue with cabinet ministers leaving Parliament and heading straight into
lobbyist roles.

Speaker 4 (10:51):
I think, well, lobbying has always been there in New Zealand.
I mean I can recall when I was a kid,
I used to have access to I had a special
pass to sit down the back of the house when
they had guests on the lower level, and you could
see of all, I remember DearS Delghetti, a lawyer in
bell Gully, having a quiet chat to someone. So lobbying

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goes on all the time. But the point you raise
is it's a highly lucrative business and should it be
appropriate to someone to leave Parliament and immediately become a lobbyist.
I have problems with that, and I think that perhaps
there should be a stand up period. And I but
the idea that you finish up in Parliament on Friday

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and start lobbying on Monday is n't acceptable. I think
most people would acknowledge.

Speaker 3 (11:39):
That, so that would be the simple solution. They're the
easiest way to regulate.

Speaker 4 (11:42):
It, probably a stand down period. There are precedents of
the United States where if a person retires from the
Senate or from a Cabinet secretary's position, they have a
certain period within which they cannot do this sort of
thing before joining their Washington law firm and commencing of
what is obviously a lucrative life of lobbying.

Speaker 3 (12:06):
Something else which has been, you know, taking place for
a very long time, of political donations. Are we at
risk of undue influence here?

Speaker 4 (12:15):
I think we've always got to be careful about it,
and there was a huge debate in my first in
Parliament about the Electoral Finance Act, and Simon Power, who
was a Minister of Justice between two thousand and eights
and twenty eleven, did a great job and targeing up
that legislation. I just think that we need to be
very careful to make sure that our political parties or

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individuals don't become the whole to people that of course,
donations are to be gratefully received by political parties, but
they cannot and must not influence a particular policy outcome.

Speaker 3 (12:54):
Chris what would you like to see off the back
of this report? Do we need stronger laws and regulations
to protect us from political corruption?

Speaker 4 (13:02):
What I'd like to see is the two big parties
having a good look at it, recognizing that it's not
party political, and seeing if there are ways in which
they can agree, for example, on improving the Official Information Act.
I don't think it's beyond the width for two big

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parties to reach some kind of consensus on some of
these issues.

Speaker 3 (13:26):
Chrispin Nathan, thank you very much for your time this morning.
I'm keen to hear what you have, what your thoughts
are on this report. It's from the hell and Clark Foundation.
It's called Shining a Light, Improving transparency in New Zealand's
political and governments systems. It will be available for you
to read up on their website today. Keen to hear

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whether you agree with Chris. I think that we do
tend to take things for granted. We expect people to
do the right things, but there's certainly no harm with
having some stronger laws and regulations in place. You can
text on ninety two ninety two the Sunday session, right
but better? From the All Blacks last night, wasn't it?
We are Blacks fifteen without loss?

Speaker 6 (14:09):
An Aiden Park.

Speaker 7 (14:12):
I run extending thirty years is once again a visit
to Walkland Dan Eaton Park.

Speaker 6 (14:20):
He was what ows the All.

Speaker 8 (14:22):
Blacks forty two ten over Argentina.

Speaker 3 (14:26):
Former All Black Anstrom was part of the news talks.
He had to be commentary team last night. He's with
me now.

Speaker 5 (14:31):
Good morning and morning Champian. How are you?

Speaker 3 (14:34):
I'm good? Thank you? What a difference a week makes.

Speaker 5 (14:37):
Yeah, it was a much anticipated response, wasn't it from
all of the New Zealand public. It was a tough
loss in Wellington, so we were all looking to just
see how much work could be done in a week
to turn that around. Well, you know, it was a
pretty powerful statement, wasn't it. Particularly the first forty minutes,
arguably the best forty we've seen from an All Black
team for a number of years, really put the game

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to bed.

Speaker 3 (14:59):
The difference between last week and this week. Is it
as simple as the fact we were more aggressive at
the breakdown and just a lot more precise.

Speaker 5 (15:07):
Yeah, it's a big part of it, but there's a
lot more so than that. You know, we lost our
way a little bit in Willington. In terms of a
game management perspective, I thought t J. Fettermara and Damien
Kenzie particularly managed the game really well. We saw a
lot of really nice new pieces. We saw those little
chip kicks early on to turn the defense around, which
called a try off the back of one of them,

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some slightly different configurations around how our pods were attacking
their line, and of course our defense was exemporary good
connections and line speed, and we just put them under
so much pressure. Particularly as I was saying that there's
forty so calling the.

Speaker 3 (15:42):
Game, was there a moment when you went, Okay, the
All Blacks are totally in control here, we've got this.

Speaker 5 (15:48):
Yeah, about twenty five minutes in. I think I mentioned
Elliott that you know, it was just a different looking
team by the same tokens you know as the Argentiny.
It just couldn't respond to the changes that the All
Blacks had made, obviously the intensity they brought to the game.
So it looked a bit of a faded compley after
about that amount of time. And of course, you know
you've got to play eighty minutes to win these test matches,

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and you know, it was a really good performance. In
the end.

Speaker 3 (16:12):
The weather was miserable. Did that have an impact on
the game?

Speaker 5 (16:16):
You know, it was probably where most people were worried,
because you know, the Argentinians are strong up front, and
you know, with poor weather and it was as horrible
as you mentioned in Auckland all day. It might have
slowed the game down a little bit, made it more
of a physical battle. But again, just the level of
handling and proficiency and accuracy early on in the weather

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was very, very good. You know, that's another big check.
I think just the execution itself made a big difference.

Speaker 3 (16:42):
What do you think of the yellow card near the
end and the tmo's impact on the game.

Speaker 5 (16:47):
Look, we're all looking for the health and well being
of of our players these days. I mean, you know,
there was a head class. It wasn't really significant, but
it is the law, so you know, you could debate
that both ways, I guess, but ultimately there was some
head to head class, so a yellow card, you know,
and they did downgrade to a slip or something I

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think they mentioned, so probably the best result of these and.

Speaker 3 (17:12):
All breaks often do this. They respond to a loss
with a hell of a performance. But how do we
avoid those losses?

Speaker 5 (17:18):
Yeah, that's the one thing I guess that we all
sit back and go. You know, it shouldn't take a loss,
you know, to put a shot in the arm and
get them moving. They've got a big challenge in front
of right now, heaven Day the South African team, massive
physical play, really basic style of play, hard to compete with,
and of course they're going to have to fly to Johannesburg,
which is a card on.

Speaker 9 (17:39):
It, we know.

Speaker 5 (17:40):
So these next two tests will really challenge us to
see how much they have moved from the Wellington Test.
But certainly the game last night is a nice platform
my guests to put confidence back in the group, including
the coaching staff. Two point the way to get away
and really test themselves there, they'll say.

Speaker 3 (17:58):
And so I mean it is an incredible record. We
have Eden Parkers and at thirty years fifty games.

Speaker 5 (18:02):
Unbeaten, you're phenomenal. I'd probably like to look at all
across the world and you know, is there a record
that stands like that, you know, thirty years fifty games
undefeated than one venue, you know. And again now the
international rugby game is you know, most teams have caught up,
you know, and they're winning away from home. So yeah,
I mean that's a staring result. But when you live

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in Auckland and you love the r Black Day as
we do, we lap it up, don't we.

Speaker 3 (18:29):
We certainly do. And Storm thanks for your time and
as always thank you for your call last night. Appreciate that.
It is twenty eight past nine News Talks EDB.

Speaker 1 (18:42):
It's the Sunday session with Francesca Rudkin on News Talks
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Speaker 3 (18:48):
And joining me now is New Zealand Herald Deputy editor.
It is time to talk politics. Thomas Coglan, Good morning,
good morning, right, busy week genetic engineering changes. We're in
We're announced this week the National Government's going to end
New Zealand's ban on gene editing and genetic modification to
unlock what they claim they are enormous benefits for climate change,

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agriculture and how science. So essentially we're taking it out
of the labs and been able to test outside labs
and things. Interesting, a lot of people are very concerned
about whether this impacts New zealand stance as a GM
free environment when it comes to trade. What's been the response.

Speaker 10 (19:29):
Actually interesting, I haven't actually seen a response from the
government on the trade issue. The yeah, I mean New
Zealand's a regulatory regime has stuck in the nineties really
regarding this, it really hasn't been updated since the early
two thousands. So New Zealand is wedding itself to two

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thousand piece of legislation from Australia, so borrowing that regime
which includes a regulator. So it's still quite a kind
of we're still a follower. I guess we're just sort
of following a slightly older Australian regime regarding trade. It's
hard to see, it's hard. I'm not sure whether there's
there's much evidence that this is a massive trade issue

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at the moment. I don't think much of our products
are brand is G free, and there are some genetically
engineered products in the New Zealand environment already.

Speaker 3 (20:25):
Lots of decision market.

Speaker 10 (20:26):
Yeah yeah, so yeah, I'm not sure this is quite
the issue it was of twenty twenty five years ago,
when it was really a top tier political issue that
was quite a big part of the two thousand in
two election.

Speaker 3 (20:40):
Tell me about the shrinking remit of Tiatafitti.

Speaker 10 (20:44):
Yeah, So Tiotafitty is the Crown Marae Relations department set
up by the last government. So the government is really
splitting off, splitting it its remitt and really shrinking it.
It's taking the maintenance of existing treaty settlements and putting
that to put Corkery the Ministry for Maori Development and

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keeping tiata fittyocused on treaty settlement and negotiations. So it's
really changing the department into a much more i suppose
contemporarily focused department. The previous government had thought it was
a good idea to consolidate a lot of the functions
of maintaining existing settlements into one department as a sort

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of one stop shop for the Treaty settlement maintenance. The
current government decided that approach is inefficient and wants to
shuffle those functions back into the Priney Corkery. I mean
the concern for the current government is that one of
the reasons Labor did that is that Priney Corkerdy has
a reputation as not being one of the finest ministries
in Wellington. So there is a chance that in doing that,

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despite being well intentioned, perhaps the government is creating a
rod for its own back by beefing up the functions
of what's widely regarded to be in an efficient ministry.

Speaker 3 (21:59):
Also this week, Thomas, we saw some changes to the
job see could benefit. Do you think that they are
fair and balanced the changes which have been put in place.

Speaker 10 (22:10):
I mean, it's it's hard to know whether fearing balances
in the eye of the beholder are staining more punitive
and what than what we're used to in the past.
This was fairly well signaled. The traffic flight approach was
signaled on the election campaign and the the the the

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idea of of one of the sanctions being spending management,
where you put half of the benefit onto a card
which can only be used to certain shops and spent
on certain things. That was an act PINDI policies, so
that this is not this is not a surprise. H
But but whether I mean whether or not it's it's
it makes a difference. I mean, we've we have seen
some evidence this week that MST itself isn't doing a

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very good job of enforcing these sanctions. That's sort of
punishing people for for not attending meetings that they didn't
know about, and being quite its appeals process seems quite
obstinate and actually you know, not affession that dealing with
people when they have a legitimate appeal to these sanctions.
So yeah, I think there's there. You can see it
either way. You probably find a lot of examples and

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people not showing up as well.

Speaker 3 (23:15):
So will that traffic light system hopefully give them clarity
is what they're expected to communicate to people as well
as there for what people are supposed to be doing
as well. Yeah, I mean that holds count Yeah, if
it works.

Speaker 10 (23:27):
If it works, that is that is what it should do.
I mean I think that the issue that the anti
the people who are posted this is raising is that
even at the moment, current Sections regime which has been
in place of Donkeys Young's labor may never fully removed.
That the current Sections regime is sort of being inadequately
enforced as well. So so there's a lack of trust

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that ant will take this new beefed up sanctions regime
and actually enforce it fairly when even at the moment
there's a precemption that the sanctions regime is being poorly applied.

Speaker 3 (23:57):
Thomas, We've just been talking about the Helling Clark Foundation
report into looking at transparency in New Zealand's political and
governance systems a lot if you you know, the report
raises some pretty interesting issues there. Do you think that
the government will take it seriously and look at it.

Speaker 10 (24:17):
I don't think so. I don't think it is it
is on their agenda. Certainly there was. The last government
got a mess of whack for some of the probity concerns,
you know, during that during the Honest Erubulus of twenty
twenty three, So it kicked off the process of looking

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at lobbying reforms. They're just there never has been an
appetite for real wholesale reformer I think, I mean partly
I think MP's are a minister feathering their own nest
because they realize that actually in New Zealand it's entirey economy,
there ran't a lot of good jobs to go to
once you've been a minister. People think that, you know,
the private teams will be kind of knocking down the

(24:58):
door to get them to go work for them. But
I really think that a lot of ministers are quite
concerned with their own employment process after leaving, after leaving Parliament,
and and ensuring that the locking industry remains rather unregulated.

Speaker 3 (25:09):
And to the comics of interesting, Oh look, thanks for
your insights, Thomas. Nice to catch up with you. That
was Thomas Coglin. It is twenty two to ten News
Talks VB.

Speaker 1 (25:19):
Sunday with Style the Sunday Session with Francesca Rudkin and
Windles for the best selection of great Reeds News Talks bb.

Speaker 3 (25:28):
Yours News Talks EDB twenty to ten. Now food is expensive.
We know that, don't we And it's got even more
expensive last week figures we're released showing the increase in
food prices is thirty five percent in five years. Chef
and Eat Well for lest host Ginesh Raj has always
been passionate about food poverty, and now he's taking matters

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into his own hands. Genesh's launching the Humble Yum Yum Project.
It's a food education cause with a strong focus on
good nutrition and ganeshj is on a crusade and he's
here to share his story.

Speaker 11 (26:01):
Good morning, Good morning, Francescas. Thank you so much for
that intro.

Speaker 6 (26:06):
That was cool.

Speaker 3 (26:07):
Just how bad is food poverty in New Zealand?

Speaker 11 (26:11):
Well, it depends how you define food poverty, right. If
you're saying people don't have food to eat, that's one thing.
But where I come from is there's this thing called
food education poverty. Which is the thing I'm trying to
say is if you were able to cook five, ten,
fifteen dishes, you knew how to swap some things out,

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then suddenly the supermarket so anyone else that you buy
from doesn't have the power over you, you know what
I mean?

Speaker 3 (26:38):
Absolutely? So is this what's driving you to start project? Yeah?

Speaker 11 (26:43):
Yeah, it's a freedom project. I want people to be
free of the grasp of anything around. So, for example,
the humble Yum Yum Global food that doesn't cost the world,
It's twenty bucks for four people, that's kind of what
I started on, and the global food part is really important.
I'm trying to open people's minds up so that they

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can swap things out. They can buy cheaper ingredients, you
can buy something that's maybe not comfortable with them. But
guess what you can If you can do that, you
can you can shop and eat food from all around
the world for like twenty five bucks for four people.

Speaker 3 (27:18):
Give me that. Give me a really simple example of
one thing that we want it.

Speaker 11 (27:22):
Yeah, okay, done so for me. My favorite one to
teach people who are kind of getting into this mindset
is old fashioned chicken fried rice. But let me tell
you where my chicken fried rice lives.

Speaker 6 (27:32):
Here's where it's said.

Speaker 11 (27:33):
It starts with the idea that there is leftover rice
in the fridge because rice is one of those incredible
things that everyone should know how to cook. And I
wish I had a way to give everyone a rice cooker, Francisca.
I wish anyone who's got that ability helped me, because
it's like twenty five bucks for a rice cooker.

Speaker 6 (27:49):
Everyone should have one.

Speaker 11 (27:51):
But back to the point I'm trying to make is
leftover rice, chicken, chicken, breast is still reasonable enough. You
can get chicken breast between nine dollars fifty and kind
of twelve bucks a kilo, and a kilo of chicken
breast can get you four to six portions. And then
frozen vegetables the type that you can just leave in
the freezer until you're ready to use it. You take

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what you need and then you leave the rest. Nothing
ever goes to waste. A little bit of garlic powder
onion powder. I'm also about speed people that work long
hours and want to cook quickly. So that dish with
soy and sesameine, oyster sauce, that kind of basic fried
rice with eggs, for me, is like a perfect vehicle
for swapping out things if you're like a vegetarian household,

(28:35):
or yeah, you've got some prawnze left over, or maybe
there was some poor belly left whatever. The point I'm
trying to make is cook it home.

Speaker 6 (28:43):
You can do it. You just need to be taught.
How what are.

Speaker 3 (28:46):
You hearing from the types of people that you're hoping
to attract in terms of where they're at with putting
food on the table. What is getting in the way.

Speaker 6 (28:56):
Right now?

Speaker 11 (28:57):
They are unable to make so let's go back to
the fried rice. This is great, So let's go with
the class that I did last week. So I do
this weekly at a place called the Puki Community Center
in Otara through the Southeast Healthcare People. It's amazing, and
these are people that are Pacifica people primarily, but they

(29:18):
are the exact people that are like, Okay, we've got
a limited budget every week, but we don't have enough
skills to make that limited budget work. So we're under
the pump. So we're buying, you know, takeaways. One of
the old granddads looked at me and said, you know,
the thing that I love so much about this class
is my grandkids love chicken fried rice, but I have

(29:40):
to go and buy it from the takeaway guy.

Speaker 6 (29:44):
Now I know how to make it for my grandkids.
Do you know what I mean?

Speaker 3 (29:47):
That's it's education. Do you think that's the key to change?

Speaker 11 (29:51):
Yeah, one hundred percent. Because with the education, I'm free.
I don't have to worry about you put up you
put up causeettes. By one hundred percent, I will switch
to eggplant. You you try and make onions too much
for me. I'll see how much a leak costs. Because
I can fry a leak down and it gives me
onion flavor, do you know what I mean?

Speaker 3 (30:09):
Yeah? So, look, we know about the increased food prices.
We know that's had an impact, But where has the
ability to feed ourselves a nutritionalist nutritional meal been lost?
How we lost that?

Speaker 11 (30:23):
I feel like it has I think this, you know,
personally for me, it's twofold and.

Speaker 6 (30:31):
So well.

Speaker 11 (30:31):
All cutos to the women of the sixties in New
Zealand who decided to go out there and get jobs
because they decided to do something for themselves. But what
that then created was a household of men and other
people that lived there that needed food and convenience. Food
was born, and freezer food was born, and microwave meals

(30:53):
were born because people were working harder and there wasn't
enough time in a house, No nobody was. And then
over time a generation or two, there was attrition.

Speaker 6 (31:03):
You know, you lose the number of humans in.

Speaker 11 (31:05):
That cohort that can cook right right, and then and
then you start to lose those humans along the way,
and then you end up in a place where all right,
now we are more reliant on packaged food, maybe even
in supermarkets where they bundle the food together in a
way that is simple for you. Like I love food,

(31:26):
you know bags that come with food in.

Speaker 6 (31:29):
Them, with recipes, you know what I mean.

Speaker 11 (31:31):
Yes, great, great entry point for people, but I feel that,
you know, those are not accessible for majority of the
population because it's just it's just too costly.

Speaker 3 (31:40):
Yeah, you've been a host on eat well for least
for four years. Now what have you learned doing that show.

Speaker 11 (31:46):
I've learned that that is not a food show, that
is a mental health and self esteem show.

Speaker 3 (31:53):
Yeah, no, you're probably You're.

Speaker 11 (31:55):
Probably right because like the things that people look to.

Speaker 6 (31:59):
In fact, that.

Speaker 11 (31:59):
Show inspired me to start the Humble Yum Yum because
the people that we met had such personal problems only
that they've faced in their own homes that was stressing
them to no end every day, and that stress was
translating into all sorts of other things in their lives.

(32:20):
And that's what I learned this whole cooking at home
is a big responsibility.

Speaker 6 (32:25):
That's why at the classes.

Speaker 11 (32:26):
We always like you have to bring someone from your
family with you so you can share the load.

Speaker 3 (32:32):
Absolutely. Now, if somebody wants to find you in the
Humble yumym Protein where they find you.

Speaker 11 (32:37):
Well, the humble yum yam currently exists anyway you want
me to exist. It is on YouTube as sixty recipes
that I've put together over the last four years, and
you can also find me on just gonessrus dot tv.

Speaker 3 (32:53):
Brilliant. Thank you so much for your time this morning, Gniche.
Really nice to catch up with you. It is twelve
to ten.

Speaker 1 (33:01):
Digging into the issues that affect you, the mic hosting
breakfast and if the.

Speaker 12 (33:06):
Justice ministers signed the expedition order. But guess what happens
next He gets to repiggle that is there something profoundly
wrong with the judicial process. But if you have enough
money and enough lawyers, you can pretty much put off
the day of reckoning for as long as you want.

Speaker 5 (33:20):
Well, I think that's a valid question.

Speaker 12 (33:22):
He could have landed anywhere. If he didn't land in
New Zealand, we never would have heard of him. The
judicial process never would have been bogged down with him,
the government never would have been involved with them at all.
Back tomorrow at six am the Mike Hosking Breakfast with
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Thank you very much for your feedback this morning. How
have you been a little bit you think chicky minx
is this morning? Spring does not start in two weeks.
It starts twenty second to September morning, says Michael. Spring
isn't until the twenty third September. Why are you talking
about two weeks? Please? Now, we all know there are
various different start dates for spring. We know there is
when mother and tells us a spring. We know there

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is the soul of winter, which kicks off in early August. Yes,
the astrom the astronomical dates is this year. The date
is September the twenty third. It can move a couple
of days. It doesn't start unto leave equinox. But a
lot of us just go off the meteorological date, okay,
which is the first of September. And we have those
dates so that we can we have a tidy record,

(34:30):
to be able to keep data on the seasons and things,
and a lot of us still go off that date,
and a lot of us do wake up on September
the first and go, yeah, it's spring. And it feels good.
So yes, you're right, Michael, various different dates when spring starts.
But you also know that there are several dates that
we can go off. And I tell you what I'm
going to take the first of September. There was some

(34:53):
spring like weather this week and it felt good, and
I'm going to embrace it. It's just trying to throw
a little bit of positivity out there on a wet,
rainy day. But thank you for your text are regarding
the food. Very interesting conversation on food. As Ganesha said,
cooking is actually simple. Two of us we cook every
night and both take our lunch. We work forty hours
a week. Our meals a great casseros, fish and veggie.

(35:14):
Thank you, Christine. Jill text to say that pack and
Savor packing up Ganesh's recipes as a special and they're
brilliant around twenty dollars and easy feed. Kelly did point
out that probably not a lot of us have left
over prawn's or pork belly in the fridge. How many
can afford eggs these days? But I think you get
the point he was trying to make right that you know, jeez,

(35:35):
I'll pull out a bit of broccoli if you carrots
or whatever else is left and there, and whip up
a stir fry as well. So thank you for those texts,
oh elf, text to say about the all blanks. First
half the game last night was great, the scrums and
the second half ruined it for me? Is it high

(35:55):
time scrums should be banned? Interesting? Thought, they're outful. We'll
throw that to Piney later on in the show, shall we.
And also I was just talking about how crawl nasty
we've gotten, how unnecessary it is, and someone texts to
say a death threat is a crime punishable by seven
years in prison Section three six of the Crimes Act.
Report keyboard warriors to the police and put pressure on

(36:16):
the police to prosecute. Oh the long list of things
that the police have to do these days. Yeah, considering
how many are being thrown around, I'm not sure they'd
have time, right. A new episode of The Little Things
was released yesterday. This is a really interesting one. We
talked to Esther Perrian and this is the podcast I
do with my friend Lou and she is the director

(36:38):
of Aldernet Group, and she joined us to discuss what
people need to know and be aware of about caring
for aged family or friends. We kind of get the
load down on the helplet's available housing for elderly, how
the system works, how much it costs, how to have
conversations with family members, how to spread the load of

(36:59):
care around families, preparing for funerals and things. And Esther
said it was really interesting because she said, it is
it dificult time, especially for older generations. We've sort of
told that the state will care from you from cradle
to grave and everything will be fine, everything will be covered,
but it is not that straightforward. So if you're in
a bit of a position at the moment where you
are looking at your aging parents or an aging you know, friend,

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Speaker 3 (37:45):
I picked up James Comy's novel Westport recently without any
expectations to be honest. And now I'm actually going to
go back for his first book and the Nora Carlton series.
He writes, well, if you want a bit of you know,
my entertainment, a good crime thriller. He is a novelist
who writes what he knows, and I think that makes
makes a difference. The book does feel like it's very

(38:05):
genuine sense, and in this particular book he takes us
into the world of investment banking, but not before kicking
off with a mysterious murder. It's very much a family
affair writing these novels. He works very closely with his
wife and apparently his children are very happy to give
feedback as well. So James Comy, former FBI director, is
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Speaker 3 (39:12):
Good morning, this is a Sunday session. I'm Franchisco. Iocom
with you until midday. Good to have you with us,
right from director of the FBI to crime fiction writer.
It's quite a career turn, isn't it. That's the path
James Comy has taken. A lawyer for most of his career.
James was appointed as a seventh director of the FBI
before being fired by Donald Trump just four years into
a ten years stant in the role. After writing a

(39:33):
couple of nonfiction books, James turned his hand to fiction
and is now the author of the Nora Carlington series.
The second of those books is out now. It's called
Westport and James Comy is with me. Hi, Jim, thanks
so much for your time this morning.

Speaker 7 (39:47):
Oh it's great to be with you. Thanks for having me.

Speaker 3 (39:50):
So tell me. You've been an attorney, a prosecutor, director
of the FBI. How do you go from a career
in law enforcement and ultimately the top job in that
field to writing novels?

Speaker 7 (40:02):
By accident, mostly and thanks to people who pushed me
to do it and urged me to try fiction, which
I resisted at first, And I'm glad that they pushed me.

Speaker 3 (40:13):
It'd written nonfiction before your last two fiction books. But
have you always been a writer.

Speaker 7 (40:21):
I've always loved to write, but the last time I
wrote I was a teenager the last time I wrote fiction.
But I always loved to write at the FBI. I
wrote all my own speeches, I wrote all my own emails.
I love the business of writing. And I've always typed
very quickly. I took a typing class when I was
in school, trying to get a coach to put me

(40:43):
on a team who he was the teacher of the
typing class. And that didn't work. But I learned how
to type very quickly. And so I love to put
fingers on a keyboard and create something. And I'm so
glad that I was convinced to try fiction, to put
fingers on a keyboard and tell stories, to show people
some worlds I've known.

Speaker 3 (41:02):
Who did convince you to do that?

Speaker 7 (41:06):
Of my second nonfiction book kept saying, oh, I like
this scene. I like that scene. And I would say, hey, man,
it's not a scene, that's my life. And he would say, hey, yeah, yeah, okay,
but you write narrative, well, you write dialogue, well, you
keep pace, well you should try it. And first he said,
why don't we pair you with an experienced fiction writer?

(41:27):
And I resisted that and I said, look, I ever
did it. Given how much I love to write, I
would do it myself. But no, And then he came
back and said he really had to try. He really
had to try. And then my wife, who is the
source of all good ideas in my life and writing,
proposed a story, and so I said, you know what,
I'll give it a shot. And so when I started it,
I found it and I've still found it. Hard to believe,

(41:48):
it's hard to stop. It's what I want to do
when I grow up, Believe it or not.

Speaker 3 (41:53):
It's lovely that your wife, Patrice has a big role
in this writing, because I imagine with your previous career there
was often a lot that you couldn't talk about. How
nice is it that you can actually share your job now?

Speaker 7 (42:06):
Oh, it's so great, because you're right. It was a
source of pain and frustration that when she knew something
was bothering me, I couldn't always tell her what it
was and get her advice on it. Now that I'm
making up stories, although trying to keep them true to
the places I've been, she can be deeply into it,
given me ideas, give me brutal but loving feedback, and

(42:28):
a part of the whole process.

Speaker 3 (42:30):
It's interesting you talk about that sort of true to
life aspect of the book. I am not a lawyer,
I've never worked in a hedge fund, and yet immediately
when you start reading your books, there is a sense
of authenticity. There is a sense that the author knows
what they're talking about. That's obviously going to be really
important to you, considering that you know you have life
experience in these areas.

Speaker 7 (42:53):
Yeah, it is very important for two reasons, one big
and one sort of small and petty. The big reason
is I've been lucky enough to see really interesting, sometimes
crazy places, and I'd love to and I'm trying to
show those worlds through the vehicle of fiction to people.
That's the big reason. But the small reason is I

(43:15):
have a lot of pain in the rear end friends
who if I got things wrong would call me out
on it, and so I work very hard to get
to make it real in all respects, so I don't
get those texts mocking me. Well.

Speaker 3 (43:29):
There's a third reason as well, James, which is very similar,
and that is that your readers, you know, they observe,
you know people, we absorb absolutely everything, and there will
be other people out there. You'll have your fans, you'll
be very happy to tell you as well, maybe when
you didn't get something right.

Speaker 7 (43:46):
Yeah, they'll tell me in a more loving way than
my friends.

Speaker 3 (43:49):
Well that's good to hear. Did you read crime fiction
during your career? Did you have any time to read?
Have you always been a fan of that genre?

Speaker 7 (43:57):
I had time to read, but I never trying to
think that. I think the last crime fiction I read
was nineteen eighty seven. I read Scott Tureau's great book,
Presumed Innocent, just before I became a federal prosecutor for
the first time, and after that I just found it
so hard to pick up. Not because the authors didn't

(44:18):
didn't know those worlds, but because I didn't want those
worlds in my leisure time. So I would read other stuff,
both fiction and nonfiction, but stayed away from anything that
touched crime or terrorism or espionage because that filled my days.

Speaker 3 (44:32):
Yeah, that makes sense. So is there a fine line
when you're using your real life as a basis for
fictions in terms of how deep you go into your
own experience or those around you.

Speaker 7 (44:45):
Yes, because I don't want to offend people. I don't
want people to think I'm writing secret stories about them.
I also don't want to give away secrets that I
owe to my former employers a duty of protection, right.
I don't want to give away things that would jeopardize
FBI business, or tell secrets about a private financial manager
that might hurt them. And so I found though that

(45:07):
I can tell stories within those boundaries that there's plenty
to tell and show without giving away the secrets that
I'm supposed to protect and without offending people, because I
just take pieces of people and create characters, and I
can and then I can truthfully deny to them that
it is them.

Speaker 3 (45:27):
Your first two books are about Nora Carlton and in Westport.
She is the lead council at the world's largest hedge fund. You,
of course with general counsel of Bridgewater. How much of
Nora and those books are inspired by that particular time
in your life.

Speaker 7 (45:43):
Well, the book Westport is hugely inspired by my five
years living in Westport, my three years at the world's
largest hedge fund. I've tried very hard, and it's not
to write, not to write a secret, secret history of Bridgewater.
This is not that. But I've tried to use that
experience to capture the spirit, the zeitgeist of that world

(46:06):
and to tell a story in that world in a
way that will feel real to people who still work
at edge funds, and that I've gotten the sense of
things correctly. And then Nora is obviously close to my
heart because I've I put her together drawing from my
own children, especially my oldest daughter, who's a federal prosecutor,
and so I have tall, strong women in my life,

(46:29):
and I've tried to make Nora that because I know
that person and I love the people who I've put
together to create that person.

Speaker 3 (46:38):
You must be very proud of your daughters. I know
that Maureen was the lead prosecutor in the Gilene Maxwell trial,
wasn't she?

Speaker 7 (46:45):
Yes, she was, And I was actually writing the first book,
Central Park West while she was prosecuting that case. And
my original plan, which makes me cringe a little bit
when I think back on it, was I was going
to have the protagonist be a guy, a mini me
in a way, and I was writing it that way
when she was prosecuting Glenn Maxwell, and she was doing

(47:08):
it in Courtroom three eighteen at the old Federal Courthouse
in Lower Manhattan, and all of a sudden she wouldn't
let me come by the way, she wouldn't let me
come watch because she said it would be a thing
if I came, whatever that means. But my wife went
and gave me reports, and it dawned on me that
that's the same courtroom three eighteen in which I prosecuted

(47:29):
the mobsters John and Joe Gambino when she was a
little girl, And so it was obvious to me in
a way. I'm embarrassed to say, I didn't see earlier
that the protagonist had to be a woman in a
way that I didn't anticipate that was freeing because I
wasn't writing about me. I was writing about her and
my other kids, who I sort of built into the character,

(47:50):
and that made it a labor of love literally and unlock.

Speaker 3 (47:54):
Something for me that's really interesting. I hadn't thought about
that either. But you're right, if you'd kind of made
the character a male, it would be hard, considering your
incredible career in these these worlds that you're writing about,
then for your friends not to give you a little
bit of, you know, a harassment there, James, about the
comparisons and how you've written about yourself. It would be

(48:15):
hard to remove yourself from that character.

Speaker 7 (48:18):
That's right. Yeah, that's right, And I don't I'm not
doing it as a vanity project. Frankly, I've had enough
of me in the public eye. But I want to
write an interesting story. And when it's not me as
the protagonist, when it is these these women that I
know and have helped raise with my spouse, combine into
a character, it is just a ton of fun. And

(48:41):
it also gives me a vehicle to write about relationships,
which I've learned a lot about just from being alive.
But also I'm married to an amazing woman who is
a marriage and family therapist, and so her life is
relationships and how people navigate traditional family relationships untraditional family relationships,
and so I've tried to build a lot of that,
with the help of my wife and kids, into the

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stories as well.

Speaker 3 (49:05):
And I understand that your family are your biggest critics.
They proofread the books and very happy to give your feedback.

Speaker 7 (49:11):
Oh yes, they love to, and it's wonderful that they do.
And they know that I crave the truth from them.
And so I start all five kids read the books
and give me detailed, detailed notes. Patresa's reading it in
real time when I'm writing through a Google doc and
commenting daily on what she sees and ideas she has.

(49:33):
So it's a family affair. And then once I get
it in a place that the five kids are happy
with and that Patrese is happy with, then it's out
to a circle of friends who know those worlds and
who will see things and also delight in telling me
when I'm wrong about something.

Speaker 3 (49:49):
James, in twenty nineteen you joked that you would move
to New Zealand of Trump one and twenty twenty, is
that on the cards again? If he wins in November,
do we need to start looking for a place for you.

Speaker 7 (50:00):
It's funny you should talk about that. My wife and
I actually discussed it not long ago and said we'd
still love to because New Zealand offers well, I don't
have to tell people who know New Zealand. It's an
extraordinary place with an incredible variety of beautiful scenes and
temperatures and elevations. What a remarkable place, and you're lucky

(50:20):
to live there. But our grandkids are here, and so
we'd have to take the whole group to New Zealand,
and we don't see that happening. And so I've told
people more recently, look God forbid that Trump becomes the
next American president. That I'm increasingly optimistic that he won't be.
But if he were, I love my country but especially
my family too much to go any place.

Speaker 3 (50:43):
What would a Trump presidency mean for the Department of
Justice and law enforcement? Are you concerned about the threats there?

Speaker 7 (50:50):
Very much? He is a person who is a threat
to the rule of law, was a threat to the
rule of law during his first four years. If he
got another four years, he would be a continuing threat,
and a more dangerous threat, because he'd be both smarter
and more interested in retribution. And Donald Trump's a person

(51:11):
who's promises you can't trust, but whose threats you should
listen to carefully, because he believes that a threat has
to be followed up on whe the threatner appears weak,
and that's the great sin in his life is to
appear week. So I think it would be a great
threat to the rule of law generally, and to a
lawless president's interest in using the prosecutive and investigative power

(51:33):
of the Department of Justice and the FBI to go
after people.

Speaker 3 (51:37):
Would you ever consider a return to a public role?
Was the unfinished business there or is writing fiction in
your future? Now?

Speaker 7 (51:44):
There is no unfinished business. I never thought I would
go back. I thought I was done in two thousand
and five and was very surprised when President Obama asked
me to go back and be FBI director. So I'm
pretty sure that we're done now and there's no I
don't feel a hunger for it, and there really is
no unfinished business. Plenty of good people to serve in

(52:06):
the US government without me having to leave fiction.

Speaker 3 (52:09):
Could the end of your tenure at the FBI ever
be used as a sort of a subject for future fiction?
Do you think?

Speaker 7 (52:18):
Yes? It's funny you should ask. I've resisted taking readers
to Washington because it was just too icky for me,
and the farther I get from it, the more comfortable
I feel taking the readers there. So I, with Patreesa's help,
we've envisioned a trilogy in Washington, and so we will

(52:39):
take you there at some point, to the White House,
to the FBI, to the CIA, to secure rooms in Congress,
places that I spend a lot of time to tell
stories that will be fun and take people inside those
worlds and not produce too much trauma for me.

Speaker 3 (52:56):
The good news is though, I mean, I've fallen in
love with Nora. And the good news is, of course
at a third book is pretty much always finished.

Speaker 7 (53:04):
Yes, I submitted it last week to the publisher and
I feel really good about it. It's focused on Nora's
battle against domestic extremism, white identity, white supremacy in the
United States, which will unfortunately not be a thing of
the past when the book comes out next year. And
so it's a it's a topic that I care about

(53:24):
a lot, and it's a vehicle through which to tell
some really good stories.

Speaker 3 (53:30):
James Comy, thank you so much for your time. It's
been wonderful to talk to you.

Speaker 7 (53:34):
Oh, it's wonderful to talk to you too.

Speaker 3 (53:36):
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I'm joined by Steve, your editor at Flex dot cod
and Z.

Speaker 14 (55:14):
Good morning, Good morning. I've just about unwound after a
pretty fun, tense experience at the movies this week.

Speaker 3 (55:21):
Yes, you went to see the space horror Aliens Romulus.

Speaker 6 (55:25):
Yeah.

Speaker 14 (55:25):
Alien Romulus is the seventh film in the Alien series,
which kicked off back in nineteen seventy nine. Now, so
it's got a bit of she's got a bit of
mileage on it. This is a really fun new entry
in the series, unlike the last couple of films Prometheus
and Alien Covenant, sort of not quite so interested in
sort of telling backstories. We've had sequels. We know what

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those are. We know what prequels are. Yes, the screen
reboot helped explain what a requeller is, which is a
remake sequel, and Alien Romulus might be an interquil.

Speaker 3 (56:02):
Okay, it just between somewhere between.

Speaker 14 (56:05):
The events of the first Alien film, okay and Aliens.

Speaker 3 (56:08):
So then the big question is, if you haven't seen
an Alien film, can you walk along to this and
go in and enjoy it for you? Does it stand upon?

Speaker 14 (56:18):
It's going to be pretty fun in some ways. It's
a little bit like Star Wars The Force Awakens of
the Aliens franchise. Director Fede Alvarez has nods like films
throughout the series, and I'm not a fan of kind
of too much winking at the audience, like, I, here's
something you recognize. But I kind of felt it accommodated
that stuff pretty well. It was a pretty well balanced

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sci fi horror, and it's just nice to be back in
that world of like clicking keyboards and dusty monitors and
that you know, that that tech that looked futuristic back
in nineteen seventy nine. And it's gross and it's violent,
and I was twisted up like a pretzel on my
seat for a whole bunch of this film.

Speaker 3 (56:56):
I love it. We've had a lot of remakes or sequels,
this Blockbuster season already, New Deadpool, We've had the remaker Twisters,
this film, and various others. How's this one? Sort of
because you know, we tend to kind of raise a
little bit of an eyebrow when Hollywood goes back and

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struggles to find a new idea. How was it worth
making this film?

Speaker 14 (57:24):
I had a really good time going back to the
universities of these films. And while you know, it's got
a younger cast, it's got a slightly different feel. And
I think those those nods to the other films in
the series definitely kind of give it a bit of
a winking attitude at times. But yeah, it's just nice
for someone to be making an effort. Lots of practical
effects and like I said, kind of nice and glory

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and pretty to the seat. I'm really really effective. I
had a super fun time, all right. Yeah, whether whether
it over time kind of stands up to be, you know,
where it sits in the kind of quality rings of
the series remains to be seen. Recommend seing it in
the theater because it's a heck of a lot of
film or an audience brilliant.

Speaker 3 (58:02):
Also, you've got a few phase you just want to
remind us about from the New Zealand International Film Festival
that might still be on in your area, or you
might just want to write these names down for when
they come back.

Speaker 5 (58:12):
Yeah.

Speaker 14 (58:12):
Absolutely, the festival is still running in Zoneeda, Nelson, christ
Church and Totonga and it's coming soon to Napier, Hamilton,
New Plymouth and Masterton. Quickly run through a few titles Cuckoo,
Weird Stuff going on in the German Alps and Downton
Abbey's Dan Stevens chewing scenery with a really weird German
accenters as her Kernig. It's kind of an oddball genre film.

(58:37):
Kneecap a story of Irish hip hop trio who rap
in their native language. It's kind of you go into
it going I want to see this movie about partying
hip hop guys who do too much drugs, and you
come out of it going I just watched a language
revitalization comedy. Really, really a neat film. No other land.
This was filmed in the West Bank and Palestine of

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the last few years, right up until October of last year.
As it happens like filming on this just days before
the Hamas attack on Israel. But this documents land confiscations
by Israeli settlers an army in the West Bank. It's
it's pretty grim viewing. It's not a fun time movies.
And I'll also mention a New Zealand film, We Were Dangerous.

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This opened the festival and all centers except christ Church.
This is a really lovely emotion and humor tinged drama.
Really strong debut film.

Speaker 3 (59:34):
Great list there. Thank you so much, Steve. It is
a ten thirty you don't forget. Alison Moya is returning
to New Zealand with her Key Live twenty twenty five
world tour. She's performing Auckland, Wellington and christ Church in May.
Tickets on sour next Wednesday, the twenty first of August
at TEG Live dot com dot Au and that's from
two pm. We've actually got a double ticket to give

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away to each show. Head to news Talks. He'd be
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in to win. You're with the Sunday Session.

Speaker 1 (01:00:13):
It's the Sunday Session with Francesca Rudkin on News Talk ZBB.

Speaker 3 (01:00:20):
You're with news Talk zb AH. Doctor Michelle Dickinson, Nano Girl,
joins us now with her science study of the Week
and I just love the study. I have always said
that when it comes to aging, we seem to stay
the same for ages, Michelle, and then all of a
sudden you wake up and you go what happened? And
then you kind of play it our again and you

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sort of look and feel the same for ages and
then all of a sudden, it's just.

Speaker 15 (01:00:44):
Like what the heck?

Speaker 16 (01:00:45):
And it was?

Speaker 3 (01:00:46):
It was. It was a very purely based on my observation,
but science is just discovered. There is also there's some
truth in this. There was a reason for this.

Speaker 17 (01:00:56):
Well, we're going to see if it's the observation of others,
So please text it if this has also happened to you.
Beautiful study. It's in the journal Nature Aging. Honestly, it's
the most beautiful study of everyone. In the graphics and
the way they represent the data is amazing. Its open source.
Don't read it. It's bigger meating, but go look at
the pictures because it's lovely. And basically, what they have

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discovered is that our molecular changes during aging are non linear.
What does that mean? That means that we don't age
gracefully in a linear fashion just every day we're a
little bit older. No, we have quote substantial dysregulation at
the ages of forty four and sixty. Basically, what they

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did is they took one hundred and eight volunteers age
between twenty five and seventy five, and they measured all
sorts of things from them. So they took blood samples,
saw sample, skin samples, and then they did mouth and
nose swabs and then that every few months four up
to seven years, monitoring things like gut microbiome, what bacteria
and viruses around your skin, and they actually found one
hundred and thirty five thousand different molecules and they measured

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all of them and these included things like RNAs, proteins,
metabolites as well as the bacteria fund and viruses that
are both on our skin.

Speaker 3 (01:02:08):
And it's an incredible study, right, It's like literally it's
amazing grows on you and as your molecule what makes
you up, and they try to see if there are
any big changes over time, and.

Speaker 17 (01:02:18):
They were like, holy moly, there are some really big changes.
And they found these two amazing spikes, so one at
age forty four, where they found things like the way
that your lipid, your caffeine, and your alcohol are metabolized.
So if you've suddenly started in your forties not being

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able to tolerate caffeine much.

Speaker 3 (01:02:40):
Maybe you're switching to decalf. This is is the thing.
I had this moment. It literally was forty four wheen
I felt I looked at myself and I thought either
age and then things just sort of stopped working.

Speaker 17 (01:02:50):
I don't know, can't take the fatty foods anymore. Alcohol's
given you that hangover that's lasting a little bit longer
than you.

Speaker 3 (01:02:55):
Are well forty four.

Speaker 17 (01:02:56):
That's because your metabolism has changed for these things. And
also the big important one is the molecules associated with
cardiovascular disease also changed signals frequently at forty four, So
and we see it correlated to a rise in cardiovascular diseases.

Speaker 18 (01:03:14):
Yeah.

Speaker 17 (01:03:14):
And then so you're like, Okay, I've made it through
forty four.

Speaker 18 (01:03:18):
Fifty, I'm all good. The next one, next one hurts.
The next one is going to hit you at sixty.
And at sixty they saw a massive change in your
immune function, your kidney function, and your carbohydrate metabolism. So
if it's sixty, you're like, I just.

Speaker 17 (01:03:31):
Can't take that bread and that pursta anymore. It's really
starting to make me feel sluggish. Well, welcome to the
sixty spike. Sorry, it's not good news, and there's nothing
you can do to fix it. Sadly, the story doesn't
have a happy ending. But what it does do is go, well, look,
if you're feeling like suddenly you've just been hit by
a truck, and you've probably just turned forty four or sixty,
it's to do with your molecular changes. They just suddenly

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just go way out of whack, not they don't reverse,
they don't go back, and so it's also related to
some of the diseases we're see and so in our
sixties we see a huge increase in diseases such as
Parkinson's and Alzheimer's to do with these molecular changes. So
the story story is basically, look out for them, know
they're coming. If you're forty two, live it up because
it's good to go downhill, but also book yourself in

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for a good medical check to around those ages. It's
where things are going to change. Make sure that you're
keeping on top of stuff.

Speaker 3 (01:04:19):
Don't presume that what you've heard today means that what
you're experiencing is this. You've always got to check it out.

Speaker 17 (01:04:24):
And a lot of these diseases, you know, you might
want to change your diet bit switch more to DCAF.
If you're struggling with your caffeine, drink a little bit.
Let just the regular healthy stuff anyway, but don't ignore
it if you're having a bit of a niggle, if
you're worried about your cardiovascular or you're worried about you know,
you're just forgetting your memory a little bit more. Early
diagnosis and early treatment always gives you better outcomes, so
it might be on the cards. If you catch it early,

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your prognosis is going to be much better. But yeah,
if you're on nowhere between the ages of forty four
and sixty, or you've been through those ages and you're like, oh, yeah,
you'd love to.

Speaker 3 (01:04:54):
Hear from you if you just kind of going, hang on,
this is all sounding very familiar.

Speaker 17 (01:04:58):
Yeah, so nature aging, beautiful study, massive data set, beautiful graphics.

Speaker 3 (01:05:02):
Go have a read.

Speaker 17 (01:05:03):
And if you're around those ages, then yeah, welcome, welcome.

Speaker 3 (01:05:07):
Susie takes us that it felt like overnight someone had
sucked all the fluid out of muskin.

Speaker 17 (01:05:11):
Yeah, yeah, I'm pretty sure we're going to get some
text and being like this was me.

Speaker 3 (01:05:14):
Too, Muzz very sweetly says, oh, come on, Franchiske, you
don't look a day over thirty five. I think probably
my psychological age five months. You might be right on
that one. Hey, thank you so much, Michelle. Nice to
catch up with you. Twenty one to eleven.

Speaker 2 (01:05:31):
There's no better way to start your Sunday.

Speaker 1 (01:05:34):
It's the Sunday Session with Francesca Rutkin and Wiggles for
the best selection of great breaths US Talk, said the.

Speaker 3 (01:05:41):
Resident shift Mike Vnder. Alison joins US now on the
Sunday session.

Speaker 2 (01:05:44):
Good morning, good morning.

Speaker 3 (01:05:46):
Now, I believe that you've been doing the show for
ten years and you're finally taking a holiday next next week.
You have you never have you really not been taken
off ahead from US.

Speaker 19 (01:05:57):
I know you've been on.

Speaker 16 (01:05:58):
Holiday time off, but it's got a more medical time off, right, Yeah,
Yet I keep breaking myself.

Speaker 3 (01:06:04):
And half the time we do hear from you while
you're on holiday, wind whistling in the background or something.
So oh, well, that's very exciting. I hope you've got
a wonderful holiday planned.

Speaker 7 (01:06:14):
It'll be great.

Speaker 6 (01:06:15):
We're looking forward to it, okay, God.

Speaker 16 (01:06:17):
And the only reason why I noticed it was ten
years is because, yes, I was looking back at all
my recipes and I was like, the rest of me
I'm going to talk about today. I was like, I'm
sure I've done quite a few of these, and so
I thought i'd go back and yes, I have, I've
done like seven.

Speaker 3 (01:06:29):
Oh we haven't done it when you haven't done a
huge amount with me. And I'm very excited you're talking
about pies because I love a pie, especially in winter.
Price of pies is definitely creeping up. So I'm like,
idea that you're going to sort of give us a
rispe to make our own.

Speaker 16 (01:06:43):
Yeah, and that's like from local bakery. I guess five
through to seven you could probably run and then your
fancy pants. Probably fourteen to sixteen. That would have to
be a pretty good pie for sixteen. But I did
see one the other day. It was a massimum braised
beef brisket pie. Issues, but then it was sixteen. I
was like, no, I think I'll just carry on somewhere else.

Speaker 3 (01:07:05):
Yes, so you've got a family pie for us.

Speaker 2 (01:07:08):
So family pie. Looking at prices of.

Speaker 16 (01:07:10):
Mints, I just went online and had like a half
killo mins eight bucks at the moment from the supermarket.
And the large sort of family pies that you buy
from a supermarket, I would say you'll be lucky if
you're reaching about one hundred grams of mints and a
family pie. So you're going to get a decent amount
of pies out of half a kilo of the minute.
So this family pie and saying that, of course for
three hundred grams of mints, So it's a decent efty pie.

(01:07:33):
So start you off pre heat, having one hundred and
eighty degrees on fan bake. Take a heavy based pan
or a cast iron pan. Check that onto heat. Add
in like a tablespoon or someplow of oil. Bring that
up to heat, and then your saute. I've got one
onion that's been finally sliced or diced, peeled and finally diced.
One carrot peeled and finally diced or cute sex closes

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of garlic, so there's a decent amount of garlic. Check
that in sautel that off, you know, the gig sauteed
off until it starts to become a little bit colorful
and starts become fragrant. And then throwing the three hundred
grams on beef mints that you're broken up into little bits.
And what will happen now is the mince. The water
will basically come out of the mince. Keep your element
on high. The water will come out of the mince.
It will evaporate or cook into the mince, and then

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the mince will start to color up. Once that happens.
I've thrown in a rosemy stick just because we've got
rosemy grown here. But you can just add in a
little bit of dried rosem if you've got it, and
half a kilo of beef stock. Half a kilo half
a litter of beef stock. Bring that up to the boil,
turn it down, simmer it for twenty minutes. After twenty minutes,
you want to season it, so just have a little taste,

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adding some salt, a good crack of pepper I added
at this point. Now a tablespoon of dish on mustard.
And finally some frozen peas. So I've got a cup
of frozen peas. Throw those in there and we will
just want to thicken this now. So I've got a
tablespoon or corn flower that's just mixed with two tablespoons
of water to.

Speaker 2 (01:08:55):
Create a little slurry.

Speaker 7 (01:08:56):
Add that in.

Speaker 16 (01:08:57):
That thickens up your mince and it's ready to go
to make a good pie. If you've got the time,
spread that mince out onto a tray, put into.

Speaker 7 (01:09:05):
Your fridge and let it cool down.

Speaker 16 (01:09:07):
The cool of the mince that goes with the pie.

Speaker 3 (01:09:09):
Good time.

Speaker 16 (01:09:10):
Yeah, And then and then take a grease pie dish,
or you could use a castline pant, or you could
use a pan that goes into the oven. Just spray
a little bit of all on the bottom and then
I put some puff pastry onto the bottom load in
your mince. You could at this point add other things.
You could add some maybe some age chair if you
want to go fancy, or some Mozilla if you want
to go super fancy. Chuck a lid on it and

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then just crimp the sides. Take an egg brush it
over the top. Fire then in the oven. It's going
to be about forty minutes in the oven because the
mince is already cooked. But what you're doing is you're
setting the shape and you're making the outside of the
pastry nice and crisp in the oven, and then serve
that out and a Sunday night favorite in the van
Biausen household as family pie with creamy mash and some

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steamed veggies.

Speaker 3 (01:09:52):
Oh sounds fantastic. Thank you so much, Mike. Have a
wonderful holiday, and we'll talk to you in a few
weeks time. You can grab that recipe from good from
scratch dot co dot in z, or of course you'll
be able to head to newstalk ZIDB dot co dot
in z and find it slash Sunday and you'll be
able to find it up there today. He talks you

(01:10:12):
be oh coming up next? Hang on if you if
you clearly I do. If you need a little bit
of a brain boost, If your brain needs a boost,
Aaron's got some tips for us.

Speaker 2 (01:10:24):
There's no better way to start your Sunday.

Speaker 1 (01:10:26):
It's the Sunday Session with Francesca Rudkin and with girls
for the best selection of gray breaths.

Speaker 2 (01:10:32):
Use talk, set the.

Speaker 3 (01:10:36):
Wellness time, and I'm joined by natro breth Erin O'Hara.
Good morning, good morning. So yes, I suddenly thought, gee,
I need to boost my brain. Heuth a little bit
here tell us ways that we can do this? Yeah,
I think with.

Speaker 20 (01:10:48):
Brain howth people just think of more external things they
can do, like puzzling or crosswords or foods that they're eating.

Speaker 3 (01:10:56):
But actually a lot of sleep sleep. But actually a lot.

Speaker 20 (01:10:59):
Of it comes down to also your gut health. And
I know that there's a lot of chat and lots
of talk around gut health and me into health, but
actually gut health is really important for even cognition and
memory and reducing your risk of things like Alzheimer's. And
there's some really interesting studies around this and the thing
that links the gut to the brain. Is we always

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look about the gut being the body second brain, and
there's relationships between the gut brain axis and the vagus
nerve and as it communicates between the brain and the gut,
but also the gut microbio imbalance and all those good
bacteria within the gut and how they produce chemicals and
metabolites that circulate into the brain and all of that

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works together along with your hormones and also your neurotransmitters,
and that's where the gut also affects the way our
brain is going to function, which also affects your cognition
and your memory and your focus and being able to
get stuff done.

Speaker 3 (01:11:58):
Okay, so how do we boost our brain power? So
through these foods and.

Speaker 20 (01:12:05):
Yeah, so a lot of you can do with the
brain foods, which I know we always probably think first up,
I always think walnuts that actually look like little brains,
and they are good for the gut and they are
also good for brain health. But one of the ones
that's got a lot of good interesting research is around
fiber and how our gut bt terra feast on the

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fiber and how that makes it essential gut environment and
even with a five gram increase in fiber was linked
to a five percent drop in depression. But also there's
other studies done around research on bacteria and the gut
and also creating better memory and how that detected early

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scientifics without.

Speaker 3 (01:12:48):
Talking about fiber a lot more and we sort of
used to talk about it and it all kind of
came down. You'd always be talking about it in association
with your movements, won't you, But we sort of talking
about it for different reasons now we are. But also
those bowel movements are important. I think if you ever go.

Speaker 20 (01:13:03):
To a naturopath, and number one thing they'll ask you
every single so it is so do how often do
you go for a foe? And that is a really
common thing because that is so important. But the fiber
is what is also the food. It's like food for
feeding all these super bugs within our gut and that's
what they feed off. And that's what probiotics are is
all those fiber which comes from fruits and vegetables and

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nuts and seeds, and there's some mega fiber boosters to
things like beans and lentils are fantastic for big boosts
of fiber. Also cheer seeds one of my absolute favorites
because one table spin of cheer seeds is five grams
of fiber. And it's interesting that the mainstream medical sort
of system recommends thirty grams of fiber a day, but
you know what, just not enough. You actually need to

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get as much fiber as you can into your diet,
and so it can be getting the biggest variety of fruits, virtuals, nuts,
and seeds, and those nuts and seeds are also going
to be great for the brain health with all those
amiga threes, and amiga threes are absolutely essential for brain
health but also for body function, and if we don't

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eat them, we don't magically produce them within our body.
So trying to get them through your oily fish, which
not everyone loves oily fish, but that's your things like salmon, anchovies,
sardines not everyone's favorites, but they are really good brain
foods and they have really good research that they will
help with reducing the risk of Alzheimer's but also vascular dementia.

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So making sure getting those they're going to be great
for the gut health as well as they help to
feed the gut bacteria.

Speaker 3 (01:14:39):
They like those.

Speaker 20 (01:14:40):
Oily amega three fish, fish, fatty oils that are so
good for the gut and good for the brain as
well as our antioxidants. Which variety of fruits and vituals
I like to think about it has been colorful, rather
than trying to think, okay, which ones have I had today?
So if you can try and aim on even getting
five different colors of fruits and vegetables across the day,

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So it might be having the likes of an orange
range for the orange color, spinach for green, or maybe
kale beet trout for your reds. You could do blueberries
for purple, a banana for yellow, or yellow pepper. But
all those different colors provide different antioxidants but also different

(01:15:25):
types of fiber into the diet as well. So it's
good to try and get those big variety of colorful,
colorful fruits and vegetables and as many different ones as
you can, and that will help with the brain function.
The other big one is last one I'll leave with
is some coffee, which I know that everyone who likes
coffee is probably thinking yay because it has polyphenos in,

(01:15:46):
which is so good for the brain health. But also
that caffeine actually upriculates brain function and the gut actually
really likes a bit of caffeine, So whether it's a
cup of tea cup of coffee, obviously not too much.
If you get severe anxiety or ibs, maybe consider not
having that or decaf. But it's a really good brain
booster as well.

Speaker 3 (01:16:04):
Thank you so much. Erin to catch up with you.
Six to eleven Grab Recover.

Speaker 1 (01:16:09):
It's the Sunday session with Francesca Rudkin and Wiggles for
the best selection of gravers Used Talks EDB.

Speaker 3 (01:16:18):
Fashion designer Liz Mitchell wants to reinvigorate New Zealand's wool industry.
Along with actors Sam Neilan architect Stephen McDougall, she's an
ambassador for the Campaign for Wool Movement. It's a global
organization headed by King Charles the Third. This August, Liz
is going to return to the South to judge Alexandra's
wool On Fashion Show. She's going to join me next

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to talk about the future of New Zealand fashion and
the integral part our wool has to play. We're also
joined by last year's winner of the wooll On event,
Jane Avery. That's next here on Newstalks EDB by farm and.

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Oh god you yellow cold.

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Iced tea and warm when.

Speaker 21 (01:17:25):
Est ball and slows you yell all the time.

Speaker 2 (01:17:46):
It's Sunday. You know what that means.

Speaker 1 (01:17:48):
It's the Sunday Session with Francesca Rudkin and Wickles for
the best selection of grape reeds used talks.

Speaker 4 (01:17:55):
It be.

Speaker 3 (01:18:02):
You're with the Sunday Session coming up this our piney
on the All Black. Meghan takes us to Graceland and
Joan covers off a new book by New Zealand author
Charity Mormon. Right now, though, from the high streets to
the high Country, wool is making a high end fashion comeback.
It's a good thing. We've got twenty four point four
millionship in the country. Apparently the fashion industry is seeing

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an increase in demand for more quality and sustainable fibers.
Could this be a new phase for New Zealand fashion?
Next week, the Best of Wool is showcased in Central
Otago as it hosts wool On. Two ladies leading the
wool revolution are renowned designer and expert judge Liz Mitchell
and last year's will On Champ Jane Avery. Good morning

(01:18:46):
to you both. Good morning love you to have you
with us, Liz, can I start with you please.

Speaker 8 (01:18:53):
Us?

Speaker 3 (01:18:54):
Are we seeing an increased demand for wool and what
do you put that down to?

Speaker 22 (01:19:00):
I think sadly we're not seeing enough of a lift
in the interest in wall just our just market because
I think obviously South Island has got a much stronger
awareness and need for wool and all its properties, but
we're still facing some really challenging things from the impact
with fast fashion and just the plastic synthetics that are

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dominating our marketplace, and really I think walls that has
been loss of people's consciousness, and I think opportunities like
wool On putting wool and design on the stage and
really amazing things, and just the interest in that is
going to help change and make people more aware of

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a fiber that we used to wear all the time.
We had so much connection with it, but in the
last twenty years that has really declined.

Speaker 3 (01:19:52):
I was going to ask you when did we move
away from sustainable and fibers like wool, So about twenty
years ago, do you think?

Speaker 22 (01:20:00):
I think yes, I mean I know that you know,
when I began my fashion design career, I had to
connect with the wall secretariat, amazing workshops and things, and
that was in the early two thousand Sadly, you know,
twenty years ago on more they were cold and the
farmers didn't really see that they were getting enough back
from that investment. But at the same time, really the

(01:20:24):
synthetic industry, oil industry was just pounced and it just
had so much money and you know, just to throw
at marketing, and you know, I think we all sort
of thought, oh, isn't it amazing to be able to
get cheap clothes, and you know, just but without realizing
actually what was happening, and the fact that those companies
producing it never had any idea of what to do

(01:20:47):
with the wall, you know, with the products at the
end of life and really that lifestyle, just the cost
and the fact that landfills, I mean are just groaning
with this toxic material now.

Speaker 3 (01:21:01):
Because for a while there, Jane, it felt like when
we thought about well, we thought about carpet.

Speaker 23 (01:21:08):
Yes, exactly, carpet. I love a wool carpet always, but yes,
wool is such a beautiful, versatile textile fabric.

Speaker 15 (01:21:19):
Which is just well, we should be wearing it on
our backs.

Speaker 3 (01:21:23):
So how does how has sort of fast fashion and
synthetic fibers and the impact that they have on the environment.
Impact died your approach to design, Jane, Oh, Well.

Speaker 23 (01:21:34):
I guess I've been a sucker for a good synthetic
fabric over the years.

Speaker 15 (01:21:38):
Let's face it. These days, and.

Speaker 23 (01:21:41):
Especially with the integrity of my brand, I really tend
towards natural fabrics and woole in particular, and fur of course.

Speaker 3 (01:21:52):
Yeah, yeah, Do tell us how you came to go
from a career in television to becoming a farrier.

Speaker 6 (01:22:01):
Is that.

Speaker 15 (01:22:03):
I mistake it with farrier. I don't deal with horses hoofs.
I'm a furrier. Well.

Speaker 23 (01:22:09):
I moved to the South Island to Dunedin in two
thousand and eleven, and I was frankly cold, and i'd
been over the years of being in television. I'd been
making my own clothes, and i'd essentially been apprenticing myself
as a tailor. So I had about twenty years of
experience like that, and I decided, well, I can't make

(01:22:31):
breezy blouses and palazzo pants anymore like I used to
wear in Auckland, so.

Speaker 15 (01:22:36):
I'll start making coats.

Speaker 23 (01:22:39):
And when I was a television journalist in christ Church.
Back in the nineties, I used to do stories on
the rabbit plagues down here, and I always thought, gosh,
there's a resource there and it all you know, some
things take a while to percolate, and eventually I thought, right, well,
I'm going.

Speaker 15 (01:22:54):
To make some coats.

Speaker 23 (01:22:55):
But the clincher was discovering that Mooney's furriers and that's
New Zealand's last commercial furrier they now retired. They were
five minutes down the road from my house and so
they essentially adopted me and apprenticed me over five years.
And I'll be forever grateful to their input and for

(01:23:18):
giving me a new career. Really, and it's a real
privilege to be, you know, the last child of the
Mooney's legacy.

Speaker 3 (01:23:25):
Do we have many furias and furrias in New Zealand.

Speaker 23 (01:23:31):
I think I'm a pretty scarce breed. I mean, there
are people working with fur hair in there all over
the country, in particular possum fur, and I do some
possum fur work as well. I contract and make large scale,
poor some fur luxury blankets. But the focus of my
brand Lapin is New Zealand wild rabbit and making that

(01:23:53):
into a luxury resource.

Speaker 15 (01:23:55):
Giving it a new look.

Speaker 3 (01:23:57):
As you two have been pushing boundaries of what we
can do and what we've seen with WOL, Can you
tell me a bit more about that has will been
under use life?

Speaker 22 (01:24:07):
I absolutely both, I mean Jan and I both agree
with that I've been I mean, I've used wall, I
suppose because I'm a best spoke Taylor, I've used wool
all the way through my career and love natural fibers.
So it's just I didn't really realize that I was
creating sustainable fashion just because we're about craftsmanship and just quality,

(01:24:31):
and I think that's always been a really paramount for
my brand. I see that, you know, we actually have
Brentworth now committing completely to wall carpet. Wall is now
being picked up as an insutin both for insulation, and
there's a company Flock which is doing wall wall panels,

(01:24:52):
which I mean, these are really quite quantities of the
strong wall, which is about eighty to ninety percent of
our clip and at the moment, you know, that's less
than two dollars a kilo for raw fleece as it's called.
And so I mean when I look at that and
I see a resource that actually the farmers are paying

(01:25:14):
more to share the sheep than they get from the
return from the You know, it's really the meating in
meat industry that's kept wall wide sheep are being produced
because it's really the costs are looking after the mins.
And I just think, you know this for me when
I started to think about in my role a campaignment

(01:25:35):
as an ambassador to campaign for wool that we and
then I had the opportunity with felting, which Jane's lovely
winning outfits last year at Woollon were actually felted.

Speaker 15 (01:25:47):
Wall Marino wall I've been.

Speaker 22 (01:25:50):
I was at aut University doing research and playing around
with wall fiber and the needle felting machine and discovering
how amazing things that could be done with it. And
I just had also became aware of international amazing felt

(01:26:11):
wall artists who are really leading the way with amazing
particularly in the home where's an art space. And I
think I just see that with.

Speaker 15 (01:26:21):
Design lead.

Speaker 22 (01:26:24):
That you can lift and elevate and the price of
wool could then come up and there'll be a returned
for everyone on the supply chain, from the farmer to
the person that produces the textile.

Speaker 4 (01:26:36):
So I just.

Speaker 22 (01:26:36):
Feel you know, the only way that we can actually
improve the situation is really just making creating beautiful things
that really inspire people and they think of woll and
think we do need to be using this, and then
all the properties that Wall has are just amazing, So
you know, healthy planet, healthy home. You know, just yeah,

(01:26:59):
to me, We've new Zealand could lead the way in
this because I think, you know, wall is a resource
that we have a lot of and we grow the
best wool in the world. So you know, what a
better place than to really start this will revolution.

Speaker 3 (01:27:14):
And of course woll On is hugely popular and it's
been doing it's a bit for years. But I noticed
Jane that this year is Gala the event. It's sold
out really early and there are already plans to expand
it for next year. As a designer, what do you
put the success of this event down to?

Speaker 23 (01:27:32):
Well, I'm on the committee this year because I actually
live in Alexandra now this is.

Speaker 15 (01:27:36):
Where I'm based.

Speaker 23 (01:27:37):
So yes, firstly, the Gala evening is sold out and
that's just fabulous. I think all the tickets sold within
a week or so. But there is a matinee this
year and that's at two pm. On the Saturday, the
thirty first, So you can get your tickets to that please, yes,
by Matine tickets.

Speaker 15 (01:27:57):
What sorry? What was the question?

Speaker 3 (01:27:59):
Why do you think it's just increasing in popularity? Always
been well supported, but just doing so well?

Speaker 23 (01:28:05):
Oh well, I guess it's had some visibility. And look
the people who enter the competition. You know, some of
them are just so absolutely clever. They make such beautiful things,
and who wouldn't want to look at such incredible work.
I've quite amazed it at some of the things. I've
just been unpacking some of the boxes and you know,

(01:28:26):
organizing all the entries yesterday and the day before, and
you know some of it's like quite gold smacking, So
why wouldn't you want to do that?

Speaker 15 (01:28:34):
And just to wearing wool. It's just a nicer experience
all around, isn't it.

Speaker 3 (01:28:42):
What did winning Wollon do for you last year? I believe?
Are you stilty head to Vancouver? Is that right? You're
in a show there?

Speaker 15 (01:28:52):
Yes?

Speaker 23 (01:28:52):
Well, woll On was certainly a great morale boost for me.
And then in January, actually my woollo On collection had
a showing at the Olmaco A and P Show, which
is a country town just twenty minutes outside of Alexandra.

Speaker 15 (01:29:08):
And that was charming.

Speaker 23 (01:29:10):
And then I thought, well, we're too from here, so
I responded to Vancouver Fashion Week.

Speaker 15 (01:29:17):
They've been sending me invites.

Speaker 23 (01:29:19):
Over the years, and I thought, right, well, I'll spread
my wings a little further afield and.

Speaker 15 (01:29:26):
Go and show it an international fashion week.

Speaker 3 (01:29:29):
Liz, it's great to see events like this growing and things,
and we've seen one of our premier events, New Zealand
Fashion Week, canceled again this year. The fashion events are
important for the industry, aren't they.

Speaker 22 (01:29:40):
Absolutely, And that I think is why we'll on out
this opportunity from younger designers, farmers. I mean, it's just
a myriad of different people who submit garments. I mean
it's so I think if you're a student at fashion school,
that opportunity to put garments and have them seen on
the catwalk, and just what that visibility can help you.

(01:30:03):
And obviously someone like Jane winning last year and what
has happened for her, so to me, I mean it's
really sad about a fashion week. I mean, this year
I think is perhaps with all the economic challenges that
business are facing, probably the toughest year ever to have
done a fashion week. So I hope that next year
that it will go ahead again and that things will

(01:30:25):
be looking a little bit more positive because it's you know,
we've seen different fashion brands closing their doors and you know,
just people have been in the industry for a long
time retiring and just I don't know, we want a
future for younger designers to have and if we don't,
you know, to meet that's you know from someone who

(01:30:46):
began in my early days and you know, nearly twenty
five years plus doing having a fashion brand. You know
you've got to you know, you need to support the
young ones and to use the best fiber, best material
that we have innovate with it. That's an exciting opportunity
and you know, I just think just looking at all

(01:31:06):
this report that Wollon has generated with the sponsors this year,
you know, people are supporting it and I think it's
got a really amazing future and I know that they plan,
you like it to be more a national fashion competition
rather than a South Island But for me, it's a
wonderful opportunity to go to an amazing part of the world,

(01:31:28):
Central Otago, Alexandra's beautiful spot. So yeah, I'm looking forward
to joining the other judges next week, so looking forward
to it.

Speaker 3 (01:31:39):
Liz and Jane, thank you so much for your time.
Fashion designers Lis Mitchell and Jane Avery. They're ahead of
the wool On Fashion event. It is twenty one past
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Speaker 1 (01:32:52):
All the highs and lows talking the big issues of
the week the panel on the Sunday session.

Speaker 3 (01:33:05):
Joining us as warning. On the panel, we have journalists
and broadcaster Willemina Shrimp Done, Good morning, will Amina, good morning,
and we're also joined by managing director of eight one
eight PR Agency Chris Henry.

Speaker 6 (01:33:16):
How are you doing, Chris, You're no, well, thank you.
Good to have you.

Speaker 3 (01:33:20):
Both with us. Hey, this morning, we were taking a
look at a report which has been released by the
Helen Clark Foundation. Are making some suggestions that we could
probably be a little bit more transparent with our political
system and make sure that we are not allowing ourselves
to be corrupted. Do you think we are naive in
New Zealand potential political corruption? Willemina? Do we just sort

(01:33:42):
of expect people are going to do the right thing? Yeah, definitely.

Speaker 21 (01:33:46):
I think when naive to think that it doesn't happen.
And look, it's probably nowhere near the scale that we
see in overseas governments, but that's not to say that
nothing that's going wrong or being done badly has actually
even come to light.

Speaker 2 (01:33:59):
Yet.

Speaker 21 (01:33:59):
I think we've seen more situations like that, you know,
paying for business events attended by ministers and other officials,
which essentially buying access to them. There's issues with donations,
the lines are often blurred, and we are seeing situations
more and more accur ministers coming into question.

Speaker 3 (01:34:17):
Over this type of thing.

Speaker 21 (01:34:19):
And I also think there's concerns, you know, without proper
regulation around this, that we then rely on the media
to then bring it to light, and that brings in
a whole nother argument there. With all the changes around media,
you know, newsrooms making cuts, newsrooms being closed, we're losing
that ability to actually hold these people to account and
shed light on these issues. So it's dwindling more and

(01:34:41):
more so I think there's a real need to do
something to make sure that those lines are just not
so blurry anymore.

Speaker 3 (01:34:47):
Chris, I think lobbying is quite an interesting issue. We've
seen quite a few former ministers go from sort of,
you know, being in cabinet one minute, a few weeks
later sort of walking in and starting a new job
as a lobbyist. Do you think that's an issue?

Speaker 24 (01:35:01):
I mean, it's so bizarre, and in a normal corporate setting,
you'd have a restraint of trade that would take you
out of the business for at least six months. So
the idea that we don't have it in politics and
you can just sort of turn up the next day
with you with your new hat on, I think is
totally weird and definitely something I think they should look
at well.

Speaker 3 (01:35:17):
I mean, what about the OIA. Have you had any difficulties,
you know, if you've applied for some information, have you
had difficulties getting it and feeling like you were getting
all the information that you'd ask for?

Speaker 21 (01:35:28):
Oh my god, all the time. I've filed so many oas.
Often they are constantly late, So it's twenty working days
where they're actually meant to return a response to you,
and within that twenty working days they can then say, hey,
we're going to extend it by another twenty working days.
I've had so many situations where that those forty working
days have lapsed.

Speaker 3 (01:35:46):
I've had to chase it up.

Speaker 21 (01:35:48):
Eventually finally something lud in my inbox are gone, great,
I've got this information, I've got access to this report,
to these emails as communications, and then nearly everything is redacted.
You've then got to take it to the ombudsman, which
is a process in itself. It just feels like everything
is so inaccessible. It often feels like things are purposely
being hidden. I know that there's issues with privacy that

(01:36:09):
come and come into come into play here, which.

Speaker 3 (01:36:11):
Is really important. Often things are redicted because.

Speaker 21 (01:36:13):
Of privacy issues, but it just feels like things are
being hidden, you know, under the guise of you know,
particular elements in the Official Information Act.

Speaker 3 (01:36:24):
So, Chris, if you were advising a politician, will you
suggest that they look at this review or actually would
probably not work in their favor, you know, strengthening some
of these issues.

Speaker 24 (01:36:38):
Well, I suppose it depends about whether you're doing the
right thing for you or the right thing for the.

Speaker 6 (01:36:44):
Wider market.

Speaker 24 (01:36:45):
I mean, I think transparency is key, and it's it's
obviously something that everyone really appreciates. So definitely taking some
of these the fearback on board I think is definitely
a good idea. And you know, we're a small country.
We're all kind of in this together. I do think
that that taking on some of these findings would be
helpful and I think it would be seen well by
the public.

Speaker 3 (01:37:03):
Do we use the word transparency too often? It's specially
when we're talking about politics.

Speaker 24 (01:37:09):
Possibly, Transparency is a word that we use that we
do use a lot. But I mean, it is important,
isn't it.

Speaker 6 (01:37:14):
I mean, it's the one thing.

Speaker 24 (01:37:15):
That I suppose we have in New Zealand over other
countries in parts. You know that we are weould you
like to pride ourselves on being a transparent market, and
so I definitely think that we should keep it on.

Speaker 3 (01:37:27):
I think it might be a bit of lip service
there occasionally, will I mean it would that.

Speaker 21 (01:37:30):
Be fair, says say, We definitely need to walk that talk.
You know, you can say transparency into your black and
blue in the face, but if you're not actually acting
it and you're not following through on it, it's just
kind of completely pointless and a really completely pointless novelty,
which is unfortunate, and then that affects pub trust.

Speaker 3 (01:37:49):
I was talking at the beginning of the show just
about a few articles that have popped up recently about
how quick we are to react to people and their
success or their lack of success, and how cruel people
are these days, how we seem to be able to
dish out personal abuse and death threats and and feel

(01:38:14):
no sort of responsibility for it at people. And I
was talking about Reagan, and I was talking about the
New Zealand singer who sang the anthem in San Diego,
of course, and then of course there was another. The brother,
a rugby player, came out and said, I cannot believe
the amount of abuse that you know that professional sports

(01:38:35):
people get as well. Why are we such can't use
that word, you know, Why are we so awful? Why
are we so cruel? Is any of this reaction and
hate justified? Do you think, Chris?

Speaker 6 (01:38:50):
I definitely don't think it's justified.

Speaker 24 (01:38:52):
But I think from as long as time has gone,
people love a bit of a pylon. It's it's not
the right thing, but it kind of is that community
thing where you can have an opinion.

Speaker 6 (01:39:01):
On something that somebody else has done.

Speaker 24 (01:39:03):
And I don't think that we quite realize how that
these people can ye what we're saying and they can
see what we're saying online. You know, I've worked in
lots of places across my work where you know, we
tell them often not to read the comment section because
people with this keyboard worry is hide behind keyboards and
say whatever they want. I think people need to probably
take a step back and think of the impact that
it has on the people that they're talking about, and

(01:39:25):
think would they like that to happen to themselves, because.

Speaker 3 (01:39:27):
Well, I mean, you'll know from working in radio and
working here at News Talks, he'd be most people actually
are really good at disagreeing agreeably. They'll get their points across.
They might disagree with you, they might think differently to you,
but it doesn't have to come wrapped up in personal abuse,
does it?

Speaker 21 (01:39:46):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (01:39:46):
One hundred percent? I feel this so deeply in my bones.

Speaker 21 (01:39:48):
And I did a documentary on trolling and online bullying
about a year ago in my previous role, and it
actually is the smallest minority of those people who are
actually the loudest and the most relentless and the ones
that don't stop. And you know, I feel like most
people are willing to have a constr argument, but there
are others who just will not let it go. And

(01:40:09):
I remember something that I found from doing that documentary
and talking to a couple of cyber bullying experts work
sort of saying this idea of it people thinking it
increases your social currency by actually jumping on the bandwagon
and being this kind of not so much an activist voice,
but being a voice who's kind of calling someone up,
calling someone out sorry, or saying something.

Speaker 3 (01:40:31):
But then people just take it too far.

Speaker 21 (01:40:33):
And my partner, he's an international referee, he gets a
lot of it, and it's really completely unjustified when people
are just trying to do their jobs.

Speaker 3 (01:40:40):
And the Raygun thing, I feel for her so much.

Speaker 21 (01:40:43):
You know, look, it wasn't a performance that we probably expected,
but she didn't deserve this. And it's been really disheartening
to see some people who I know have actually spoken
out against online bullying have been voices for the little
guy actually jump on the bandwagon. And it's because everyone
else is, you know, it's like we're all like lemmings online.
I feel like when everyone just wants to reshare and repost.

Speaker 3 (01:41:05):
I think you're so right, Chris. We do love a pilon.
But once upon a time you'd pilon and then you'd
move on. Yeah, you'd have life, you'd make your comment,
you'd sort of do your thing, but then we move on.
But these people that the use just keeps coming for
weeks and weeks, as Willemina's is just doesn't stop.

Speaker 24 (01:41:24):
And I think that the Wills is totally right in
terms of that idea of social currency. You know, everyone's
trying to get their latest hot taken. Oh I've got
something else I can say about this. You know, the
Internet has made us all broadcasters in our own backyards.
So the opportunity for us to be able to get
our zings and all of that sort of stuff is
so strong now. But I don't think that we realized
that these are real people and what's going on.

Speaker 6 (01:41:45):
And Reagan's a prime example. And you know you hear.

Speaker 24 (01:41:48):
I always think about the provisional sports players, like you know,
some people talk about their losses like it's like a
personal family family situation, like it's just wild.

Speaker 3 (01:41:58):
Oh look, thank you both so much for joining me
this morning. Wilhemina, Srimpton and Chris Henry twenty six to
twelve News.

Speaker 1 (01:42:04):
Talks'b It's the Sunday Session with Francesca Rudkin on News
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Speaker 3 (01:42:14):
Coming up at midday, we have Jason Pine with Weekend
Sport Good Morning Morning A well. A bit of a
difference between the All Blacks last night and a week ago.

Speaker 4 (01:42:23):
Wasn't this?

Speaker 19 (01:42:23):
It was, Yes, especially the first half. I think that's
what you call a statement performance, a response that was
needed probably and I think probably the product in many
ways of what happened last weekend in Wellington, where I
don't think too many people saw that coming. A defeat
to Argentina on home soil doesn't happen very often, and really,
you know, the first bump in the road for this
coaching group. They've shown an ability to prepare their team

(01:42:47):
to bounce back that first half. Sam Cane afterwards called
it a clinic and I think he's exactly right. Thirty
five three. The game's taken away from the Boomers by halftime.

Speaker 3 (01:42:55):
Especially because of the weather. You know, you would have
thought the weather could have impacted that game, and it
didn't really impact the All Blacks performance at all.

Speaker 19 (01:43:01):
No, and they had very few errors given those greasy conditions.
They were clinical, they executed well, they scored some lovely tries.
Damien Mackenzie perfect from the boot, not a lot to
really complain about. Second half was seven all on the scoreboard,
but I think that's really Argentina saying, you know, actually,
let's pull our finger out otherwise we're going to ship

(01:43:21):
seventy points here. They were much better in the second half.
But yeah, a performance that was needed as they jump
on the plane now or in a couple of weeks
for Africa, where there are two big test matches waiting
for them, and.

Speaker 3 (01:43:32):
If we take a look at, of course the Waller
Bees have been playing South Africa, They've been unsuccessful. The
Waller Bees. Are you a bit nervous about the strip
to South Africa?

Speaker 19 (01:43:41):
I'm curious actually more than anything. Look, I think if
they get get away. I think if they win one
of the two tests, that's not a bad result. South
Africa are clearly the best side in the world at
the moment that their test matches against Australia, which is
further proof of that. We'll get a real good gauge
of where this All Blacks team is at. And I
think last night was needed. If they jumped on the
plane with another substandard performance, I think I would be

(01:44:04):
very worried about what lay awight for the all Blacks
and Joe Bergen cape down now I'm very excited about.

Speaker 3 (01:44:08):
Yeah, so am I? Okay? What else you've got coming
up on the show?

Speaker 19 (01:44:11):
I want to talk that obviously, but also UFC three
oh five this afternoon Israel Di Sogna is fighting and
what else do we have for you of at a
Black Ferns We've got a bit of Premier League and
Ben O'Keeffe the referee brings up a milestone. This afternoon
has two hundred and twenty second refereed game of fifteens.
That is now the record for a New Zealand referee.
So I have a chapter Ben O'Keeffe as well.

Speaker 3 (01:44:32):
Fantastic looking forward to it. Parney will be with you
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(01:45:33):
still get amongst all the you know, screenings and things
you haven't seen before. But obviously people rock up to
Graceland during Elvis Week and it commemorates Elvis's death, so
that's when it happened in August.

Speaker 3 (01:45:49):
So next he's quite astonishing how many people still love
Alvis obsessed.

Speaker 25 (01:45:54):
With I wonder, you know, like I was nine when
he died. I'm wondering if people younger than me are
really gonna get it, you know. So this new thing
that they've just launched is six thousand dollars US for
four people to be presley for a day, and they've
sold out. It starts next month and they've already sold

(01:46:16):
out the first day, so it's only going to be
eight people a day are going to be able to
take this experience. And I'm wondering the demographic that is
doing it. I'm on these Elvis fan pages that I
just read what everyone's doing, and they're mostly coming from
around the US and the UK, and they're mostly probably
people in their sixties and seventies who were the big

(01:46:37):
fans in their teens when Elvis was in his heyday.
But you do wonder it, like if Elvis is going
to turn ninety next year, if he really was here
and was ninety, would we be so into him? And
would a generation after me spend six thousand dollars to
go round Graceland and a golf cart and have dinner

(01:46:57):
at Lesa Marie's horse named restaurant on the grounds. I
don't know, Maybe they still will. Maybe his legend is
bigger than the than the generation that he died with.
But yeah, interesting.

Speaker 3 (01:47:11):
Because I know that you love Graceland, but compared to
when you've visited, is this tour, do you look at
it and go, oh, yes, what it offers is absolutely
worth the money.

Speaker 25 (01:47:21):
I no, I dined, but but I am not a
raving fan, So that's what I wonder. So you know,
like you still don't get to go upstairs, but you
do get to go in the house with White Glove
Experiences and look through some of the archiving. You actually
get to see how they restore some of the things. So,
you know, so if you had a cool six thousand

(01:47:42):
and you and your mates were off to Graceland, Yeah,
why not just.

Speaker 3 (01:47:45):
Get to touch and look at a few more things.
That's why the sounds.

Speaker 25 (01:47:48):
Yeah, and you go around the grounds and you you know,
you can be appreisably for the day. That's what they're
selling it on. But anyway, I thought it was all
good fun. Elvis's they're gearing up. Graceland's going to be
introducing a whole lot of new events over the next
three years because he died in nineteen seventy seven, so
they're aiming for the fiftieth anniversary. Was death in twenty seven.

(01:48:10):
So if you are a fan, jump on the Graceland website,
have a look at all the things that are rolling
out and you'll you know, you can't get closer to
the King than being on the Graceland website, that's for sure.

Speaker 3 (01:48:22):
Yes, I mean it sounds like an opportunity to monetize
the King. Oh yes, death doesn't it totally?

Speaker 25 (01:48:29):
I think that's Riley's plan, though, isn't it. I mean,
I you know, she's in charge now. Well hopefully hopefully
this is her idea. I don't know, but yeah, why not.
I mean, you know, there's money to be made. I
think I told you about all the little saplings that
were growing on the grounds when I was there back
in May, thinking, goodness me, you could dig those up,

(01:48:49):
sell those as little oak trees. Who wouldn't from obviously
you had to be a US person buy a little
oak tree sapling from the grounds of Graceland. I mean
there's money literally growing on the trees in Graceland.

Speaker 3 (01:49:02):
I think I think that if I think if I
was in the States and I could do that, I
probably would do that.

Speaker 9 (01:49:06):
I totally.

Speaker 3 (01:49:08):
I wonder whether, I mean, we have had films like
Priscilla by Sofia Coupler recently and things, and I know
that that because my daughter is, you know, fifteen, she's
obsessed with her as a director. I suppose Elvis sort
of he does continue in our fascination and is appealing
to younger people. But I'm I don't think that would
be the top list of things for my daughter to
go and do, to spend that money to go to

(01:49:29):
Grace Standard. Thank you so much, Megan, appreciate it. It
is a thirteen to twelve news talk.

Speaker 1 (01:49:35):
There'd be books with wiggles for the best selection of
great reads.

Speaker 3 (01:49:42):
Joan Mackenzie joins me now to talk books. Good morning,
good morning. Now I have I can recall reading Dirt
Town and.

Speaker 9 (01:49:51):
I loved it by Hailey Scrivener. Yes, yes, it was
a really good book. There is a genre that's come
to be in Australia in recent years, which is kind
of Australian noir out back crime. There's a number of
authors now writing into it, and she did Dirt Town
I'm going to say three or four years ago. It
was really good of that genre.

Speaker 3 (01:50:11):
I think I was reading it after maybe reading some
Jane Harper. I sort of got on to it after that.

Speaker 9 (01:50:16):
Yes, okay, you will like Hailey's winner, and if you
liked Dirt Town, then you will like this new book
which is called Girl Falling and to set in the
Blue Mountains near Sydney. My understanding actually is that Hailey
Scrivener did a PhD in creative writing and her thesis
was all about how you can write from really unusual

(01:50:36):
points of view in fiction, and that's what she did
very well in the first book, and she's done it
again in this one. And I will just deviate too
and say I think the cover of this one is
just gorgeous. I'm not sure whether it is the Blue Mountains,
but it's lovely anyway. It's the story of two young
women who've grown up together and at school they were
bonded a little bit by the fact that each of
their sisters had committed suicide, and so they had this

(01:50:59):
dreadful thing in common, and it made them over the
years very very close and reliant on each other. And
as they get older, Dafney goes off to university and
Finn is still living in the small town in the
Blue Mountains, living with her mum. She's working in a
cafe and she's a mountain guide in her spare time,
and Daphne has always been the really controlling one in

(01:51:20):
the relationship. I guess you could say there are elements
of the psychological thriller about this. And when Finn, who
is the mountain guide cafe worker, meets a young woman
called Magdo and falls madly in love, Daphne is beside
herself and tries to manipulate things so that it doesn't
go well for Finn and her girlfriend. And one day
the three of them go climbing in the mountains and

(01:51:43):
Magdo sadly falls over the edge and falls to her death.
And the question then, of course, is was it a
terrible accident? Was it something else? The beginning of the book,
actually the opening lines say something like why would my
best friend want to destroy my life? And as the
police get more and more involved, that's exactly what happens.

Speaker 3 (01:52:02):
Okay. Intriguing tell us about Home Truths by Charity Norman.

Speaker 9 (01:52:06):
Yeah, Charity Norman's terrific writer. She lives down in Hawke's Bay,
I believe, but this book is set in Yorkshire, which
is also an area that she knows really well. And
it's told from the perspective of the family where things
are going really well. The mother's a probation officer, dad
is an English teacher. Their kids are great, everything's good.
And when their daughter Heidi turns thirteen, her birthday treat

(01:52:29):
with her dad is to go for a bike ride
and they're going to bike to a pub and they're
going to have lunch together and have a nice father
daughter outing and while they're out his brother, Dad's brother.
His name is Nicky. He's a Type one diabetic with
some intellectual disability who's been living on his own, and sadly,
while they're out on this birthday bike ride, he dies.

(01:52:49):
And when they get home from their bike ride and
Scott the father picks up his phone, he sees all
these missed calls from his brother, who is desperately trying
to get in touch with him before this awful thing happened,
at which point, of course, he just feels so terribly guilty,
and he starts going online and spending lots and lots
of time, which morphs into being consumed with conspiracy theories.

(01:53:13):
I should have said that this happened the story in
twenty nineteen, which of course is the beginning of COVID.
And so when he, as a teacher, goes to school
and espouses all his anti VAXX theories, he gets fired.
A friend of his from Uni day is called Anthony,
turns up on the scene and befriends him at a
time when he needs a friend and things are looking
quite good. But for the family, things go from bad

(01:53:34):
to worse. And at the beginning of this book, the
mother her name is Livia is entering a courtroom to
hear the verdict that the jury will have decided on
whether or not she's guilty of attempted murder. What you
don't know is who she might have attempted to murder
and why. But as you read through what happened from
twenty nineteen onwards, it all falls into place.

Speaker 3 (01:53:56):
Two books, two deaths, and two mysteries. Still there is
a theme today. I love it so that last book
that Joan mentioned was Hot Truths by Charity Norman and
the first book was Girl Falling by Hailey Scrivener.

Speaker 2 (01:54:13):
Keep it simple.

Speaker 1 (01:54:14):
It's Sunday, the Sunday Session with Francesca Rudkin and Wiggles
for the best selection of Greg rerealis News Talk ZEDV.

Speaker 3 (01:54:22):
Thank you for joining us on the Sunday Session today.
Coming up next is Jason Pine with Weekend Sport, and
I know he's going to be really interested to get
your thoughts on the All Blacks performance last night. Thinking
it to Kerrie for producing the show. Next week, We've
got a fabulous show linedt you. I am joined by
Madeleine Samy and Madeline is one of our hardest working actresses.

(01:54:47):
Directors and writers. She is currently in the new season
of Double Parked and she's just about to head back
to Australia to shoot the second season of Deadlock. Did
you catch Deadlock?

Speaker 14 (01:55:01):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (01:55:01):
It's so irreverent and so naughty and so fabulous. The
characters are just brilliant to see two is coming back.
So she's off to Darwin. So we're going to have
a talk about her career and these shows that she's in.
You know, it's interesting talking to Madeline because in her
twenties she really struggled to land a role and she's
finding in her forties the industry has changed so much, diversified.

(01:55:22):
She's never been busier, which is just fantastic to hear
because she's publivan good at what she does. Also going
to talk to Maureen Callahan. She's written a book called
Ask Not The Kennedy's and the Women They Destroyed, and
it has some incredible stories about the Kennedy men and
the women in their lives and the way they treated them.
So really looking forward to talking to her about that
as well. Enjoy the rest of your Sunday. I'll go

(01:55:44):
back tomorrow. I'm going to fill in for Kerry wooham
for one more weeks. I'll be back at nine. Look
forward to your company. Take care.

Speaker 7 (01:55:53):
Alone.

Speaker 8 (01:55:58):
I can be someone, be someone some.

Speaker 6 (01:56:11):
You got the fastest car.

Speaker 8 (01:56:14):
It's a fast enough so we can fly away.

Speaker 7 (01:56:16):
Still have to make a decision.

Speaker 8 (01:56:19):
Leave to nine and live die this way.

Speaker 1 (01:56:35):
For more from the Sunday session with Francesca Rudkin, listen
live to News Talks It'd be from nine am Sunday,
or follow the podcast on iHeartRadio.

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