Full Show Podcast: 25 August 2024

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Good morning and welcome to the Sunday Session. I'm Francisca
rud Can with you until midday. I hope you've had
a good week. Coming up shortly, we're going to head
to Paris to talk to Paralympian Cameron Lewis, who is
fired up for his fourth Paralympics. He's such an amazing guy,
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Speaker 2 (01:42):
Ninety two for Sunday Session.

Speaker 3 (01:45):
So this week we saw some very clever politicking, didn't we.
I doubt there are many voters in the country who
would disagree with the Prime Minister's message to councils at
the Local Government New Zealand conference this week. With ongoing
rates increases on the cards, many rate payers would prefer
their counsels strip back spending and focus on basic services
to help get spending under control. The Prime Minister's message

(02:08):
was well received publicly, if not by local government representatives.
The councils are an easy target. There's always been this
tension between central and local government, and whenever an opportunity
presents itself, both are quick to point the finger. Sime
and Brown's threat to introduce a regulator to cap the
amount of spending on non core activities was the icing

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on the cake, and one could suggest central government would
benefit from this mechanism too. Reducing waste, however, should not
just be aimed at non essential activities, but core activities
as well. As much as some councils needed to have
it spelled out for them that there is a new
sheriff in town who was not interested in handing out
cold hard cash to solve local government problems, I would

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argue many councils have spent a considerable amount of time
over the last four years going line by line through
their budgets, most recently to prepare their ten year budgets,
so it's likely the Prime Minister's direct talk this week
was to set the scene for the coming regional deal negotiations. So,

(03:12):
like the regulator idea, regional deals is another little number
we've plucked from Australia. The aim of these partnerships is
to coordinate capital investment to deliver the infrastructure each region
needs for economic growth and productivity. The framework has been announced.
The first deals are expected to be finalized in twenty
twenty five. So these partnerships, they're really critical, especially to

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a city like Auckland, which is estimated to be home
to forty percent of the country's population by twenty forty.
They will enable regions to come up with housing and
transport policies that will go beyond the local and central
election circles, and that's really important. Maybe we can commit
to getting some stuff done. So as much as a
slap on the risk from the Prime Minister and as

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Local Government minister, this week may have been painful. If
it is a step on the way to the government
sorting out its future contribution to local government, the pain
will pass quickly.

Speaker 2 (04:11):
The Sunday session.

Speaker 3 (04:13):
So in my eyes this message was kind of step
one putting everyone in their place, and now the Coalition
needs to get on with working with local government to
help them see through their long term plan so they
all have in place and sometimes quite frustratingly get altered
due to election cycles. So it'd be really good to
see these commitments, these long term commitments in place and

(04:34):
an idea of the funding and financial tools are going
to be available to get them done. Can you hear
your thoughts? Ninety two ninety two coming up shortly as well.
As I mentioned before, I'm going to be heading to
Paris to talk to the amazing Cameron and Cameron Leslie

(04:58):
and also in just a moment, a really fascinating look
at microplastics and the fact that they find them and
our human rains. Twelve Past nine News Talks EB keep
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Speaker 1 (05:10):
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Speaker 3 (05:17):
Inb fourteen past nine news Talks, e'd be right. New
research out of the US this week has found microplastics
to be present in human brain tissue. It joins a
growing number of human organs to have these tiny particles
found on them. So how much do we know about
the impact of these microplastics and can we limit how
much is getting into our bodies. To discuss this, I'm

(05:39):
joined by chemical scientist doctor Joel Rinda Lab. How are you, Joel?
Good to have you with us? Yeah, great, Furzy, can
you explain to us just to find what these microplastics are?

Speaker 5 (05:49):
Again, microplastics are basically tiny, tiny pieces of plastics that
have broken downs. We're talking even things that are on
the nanometer or micro scale, so that's like at least
a million times smaller than a meter in size, real small.

Speaker 3 (06:08):
Were you surprised by this finding?

Speaker 5 (06:11):
Unfortunately, I was not surprised by this founding because everywhere
scientists have looked, they've found plastics. So they've been found
in lungs, the bloodstream, the tacticles, just all the way across.

Speaker 3 (06:24):
The body, and I think most of us are familiar
with that. But there's just something about the idea of
it being in the brain that feels more significant than
other findings, is it.

Speaker 5 (06:33):
Yeah, it turns out the brain is a pretty important
organ in the body, so having plastic in there is
it is concerning. It is concerning, and it's something that
we would probably want to avoid.

Speaker 3 (06:48):
Probably more concerning is the fact that the brain tissue
head up to twenty times more microplastics than other organs.

Speaker 5 (06:56):
Yes, they found actually an absurdly high amount of plastic
in the brain, but I will warrn listeners. This is
what's known as a pre print study. It has not
yet been peer reviewed, so I'm not sure if those
will be the final numbers, but there is you know,
some pretty good confidence that yes, there is probably plastic

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in people's brains.

Speaker 3 (07:18):
How's it getting there?

Speaker 5 (07:21):
So that is another really good question, and it basically
comes down to exposure. So there's a lot of plastic,
let's say, if you're eating it or also, as we're
finding out, you could also be inhaling it as well. Okay, yeah,
plastics in the air, like if you're probably breathing them

(07:42):
in right now.

Speaker 3 (07:44):
Don't want to panicke you went on a Sunday morning.

Speaker 5 (07:46):
But just trying to wake people up a little bit.

Speaker 2 (07:49):
You know.

Speaker 3 (07:50):
So how can we stop microplastics entering our bodies? Is
it something you can do to limit exposure or is
it just the world we live in?

Speaker 5 (07:58):
So there are things that we can do, so I'll
preface that, of course. I mean, the biggest issue is
that we are as a society producing plastics and an
exponential right, So if you think there's a lot going
out now, in a couple of years, it's only getting
worse and worse. But that being said, so buckle up.
There are two things that you could probably do to

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really help yourself out. So the first one is if
we think about exposure. So if there's plastics in the air,
especially in your indoors for instance, where there's not as
good ventilation, I would recommend having a nice high quality
air filter, like especially in your bedroom where you're spending

(08:41):
most of your time, hopefully around eight hours a night
or so. But that's a good way to make sure
you have clean air. So that's number one. Number two
in your diet, try to limit the amount of plastic
you're using in the kitchen and cooking or food storage.
And this is especially relevant when you're adding heats. So
if you're putting that plastic container in the microwave, absolutely

(09:05):
not a good idea. Or you see, here's a scary one,
a plastic kettle to make your tea in the morning.
To try to avoid applying heat to any of the
plastic that are using it in the kitchen.

Speaker 3 (09:18):
Okay, what about on a wider societal scale, you know,
are these steps that we can be taken to decrease this.

Speaker 5 (09:25):
So we are, as I mentioned, producing plastic at a
crazy high rate, and it's only getting worse. We're on
pace to double the amount of plastics that have ever
been created on the planet at twenty fifty and so
what we need to do is to come up with
better solutions where we're not creating so much single use,

(09:47):
throwaway plastic and instead pressure our governments, our industries and
have us together working to make sure that we have
more reusable options and can limit the amount of plastic
that we're producing, Joel.

Speaker 3 (10:04):
Lot of the government standards when it come to plastic
particles in food and.

Speaker 5 (10:08):
Water, there are not there are no standards on this
right now, and it's something of course people are looking into.
And importantly, when it comes to plastic pollution, it's not
always just the polymer itself, but it's some of these
chemical additives that give it certain properties. So like that's
why an IV bag might be soft and flexible, while

(10:31):
maybe your food container might be hard and brittle. Even
though it's the same type of polymer, they have different
chemical additives in it. They give it different properties, and
some of those chemicals can leach out and might have
negative effects on the body.

Speaker 3 (10:44):
So not all plastic is the same.

Speaker 5 (10:46):
No, in fact, none of them are very similar down
to the exact chemical formula, just because they have so
many different functions.

Speaker 3 (10:56):
So do we know wach products are most likely to
mean to be causing the micropeditive microplastics in our bodies.

Speaker 5 (11:04):
So unfortunately, basically all plastic is going to break down
to these tiny particles, but each one of them will
have those different formulations with the different chemical additives which
could have different health effects.

Speaker 3 (11:19):
So going back to these microplastics in our brain, do
we actually know what impact the heaven?

Speaker 5 (11:24):
And that is another good question in a very active
area of research, because we don't know exactly what the
impacts are, but we have some hints and there could
be things like oxidative stress or impacts unlike the immune system,

(11:45):
But it comes down to those chemical additives what we're
calling like endocrine disrupting species. Basically they can attack or
mimic hormones in your body, which of course could affect
things like fertility or other issues, potentially even cancers. We
don't know that yet. Just want to be clear, but

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those are the things that we're really looking at the most.

Speaker 3 (12:12):
So we kind of know what we don't know, yeah, exactly,
So how long will it take us to get a
clear picture? Do you think.

Speaker 5 (12:23):
It's gonna be It's gonna be tough, but it's gonna
be probably years down the line. Because especially when looking
at things like like plastic exposure, Like if you eat
some plastic, you're you're you're not going to have any
what we call it acute effect, Like you're not going
to let's say die tomorrow. It might taint years for

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that to happen. So it's it's again, it's not it's
not an acute effect. So it's it's a difficult study,
but we luckily have a lot of people working on it,
and they're making some very good progress.

Speaker 3 (13:01):
Look, while I've got you on a completely separate note,
I believe that you've had a bit of success in
the old comedy circuit and doctor Joel Science is on
joke how to sold out run at the comedy festival here.
I believe you've been in the UIs is it a
good demand for science based comedy?

Speaker 5 (13:18):
Well, yeah, it turns out people do like to listen
to science. So I do have a show coming up
at Q Theater on August thirtieth and thirty first, where
I talked about, among other things, plastics and some of
my views on plastics and what we can actually do

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about them from a societal standpoint, along with a lot
of other fun and quirky topics.

Speaker 3 (13:45):
So it's all about making science kind of cool and entertaining.
Is that the kind of goal? Funny?

Speaker 5 (13:51):
Yeah, the idea is, yeah, just to sit back, maybe
learn a thing or two and have a good laugh.

Speaker 3 (13:58):
Fantastic You enjoying it?

Speaker 5 (14:00):
Yeah, yeah, it is a lot of fun because I
get to I get to nerd out on stage a little.

Speaker 3 (14:07):
I love it. Hey, thank you very much for your
time in talking us through that. This morning, Dr Joel
Rindealab There News Dogs Have Beat is twenty three past nine.

Speaker 1 (14:20):
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Speaker 3 (14:26):
Times Talk Politics and joining me now is New Zealand
Hero Political editor Claar Trevic. Morning clear, oh, good morning.
Tough love on the councils this week. A bit of
a fair call but also an easy target, they're clear
by the Prime Minister.

Speaker 6 (14:41):
Yes, a bit of both and also not necessarily saying
the government always spends such money on fruitful things as well,
so not necessary. But that was of course Prime Minister
Christopher luxem bowling up to their local government New Zealand
conference and giving them giving the assembled Mayor's a bit
of a shell a king for the things that they

(15:01):
were getting their money on, and told them that they
were basically wandering right players' money on what he described
as white elephants and fantasies, and should be spending it
on more core basic stuff, such as in Wellington, for example,
the water pipes. And by blissful coincidence, so there had

(15:22):
been a major league just the night before. He stood
up in the conference center and delivered that.

Speaker 3 (15:28):
But I did wonder whether if the conference had been
somewhere else, the message might not have been quite so poignant.

Speaker 6 (15:35):
I think there might have been a slightly less of
an illustrative example. But it's you know, he's partly paid politics,
but he partly has a point, and that people, the
councilors are an easy target. Almost everyone has a grievance
about something that they think the councils should be doing.
There's multiple examples of kind of what people might be

(15:57):
in frivolous expenditure where it got a bit of a
sour response from some of the meyors, not all of
the mayors. Some felt they were a bit unfairly maligned.
I think Wellington's Meritori Fano has come out fighting back
at it. But I guess where they where the problem
is is that you've got things that are quite obviously

(16:19):
core spending for counsels, like the roads and the pipes,
and you've got things that are quite clearly frivolous spending,
which are kind of what most people would think we're
nice to have. And then you've got the more subjective
area in the middle of things like you know, art
centers and sports kind of funding and stuff like that,

(16:41):
where some things are people might think are good and
some things people might think are bad. So local government
minister Shimmy and Brown was just on Q and A now,
and the examples he gave was spending he didn't think
we're necessarily meritorious. Was the Wellington Convention Center, which cost
one hundred and eighty milon is now losing money. And
then there's apparently a bus stop about to open. And

(17:03):
patapata Umu which had a garden.

Speaker 2 (17:06):
He thought he.

Speaker 6 (17:08):
Thought the garden might be a bit of a frill spend.
It kind of overshadowed the announcements that they were making there.
So related to that one, they're looking at ways to
kind of restrict government spending. I've kind of likened it
to the government putting beneficiaries who don't turn up for

(17:28):
their job interviews and stuff on payment card schemes where
they can only spend their money on certain things. So
they're looking at kind of capping the rates increases council
can make on non course spending stuff, and then their
kind of care at I guess was announcing the regional deals,
which is Counsel and the government partnering up for the

(17:50):
longer term projects and stuff like that, none of which
we can assume will include gardens on bus stop rows.

Speaker 3 (17:57):
But do you know, I think it's interesting you raise
that because I was just saying this morning, I feel
like that's what the direction that the Prime Minister was going.
And really this sort of the slap on the rest
of this morning was you expect us to walk in
and solve all your problem with the regional deals. We're
not necessarily going to get your business in order, and
then we'll come in and we'll talk to you about
how we're going to assist with infrastructure. I just thought
it was a little bit of a warning to counsels.

Speaker 6 (18:20):
It wasn't even a hidden warning, but it clearly was.
I mean, and the other point he made is that councils.
He tends to think that councils think the solution is
to us government for money to pay for it to
do the things that it can't afford to do itself.
And he's saying, well, you know whether or not it's
right players or taxpayers and the end, they're all the
same people. So it's not as easy as that. So

(18:43):
I'm sure that that would have gone down quite well
with quite a large segment of the population, but I
think it.

Speaker 3 (18:48):
Absolutely has a clear Chris Bishop and Jane Jones have
an announcement media stand up this afternoon. Do we know
what that's about?

Speaker 6 (18:55):
Yes, related, there's a there's an announcement coming and I
understand it's around the fast track legislation, so we'd be
probably looking at that. You'll know that that is the
law that they're passing to enable them to quickly get
approval and get major infrastructure projects up and running. The
ones that have national interests, like big energy projects and

(19:17):
stuff like that particularly pertinent at the moment given the
energy crisis that's underway, So I'm sure they'll be leaning
on that to kind of sell the case for the
need for the fast legislation. There has been some controversy
around the way that that has been set up, in
particular around the ultimate power that it gives to those
three ministers, which is Simmy and Brown, Chris Bishop and

(19:42):
oh god the third one, oh Joan of course, yeah,
those three, and they have kind of ultimate sign off
on whether or not projects get given the tick or not.
And that's come in for a lot of criticism because
they're all, you know, just in terms of whether or
not political motivations will come into decision making and stuff

(20:05):
like that. So I will not be surprised They'll all
three of them have signaled that they are open to
looking at whether or not they changed that decision making process.
Would not be surprised to see that come into today's announcements,
to be honest, how they're going to resolve that. So
basically that's still before a Select Committee. It's just had
public submissions. The committee is now considering it and and

(20:29):
I suspect the Government will be making decisions on some
of the points that it has now agreed need to
be changed and will basically pass those on to the
Select Committee so the Select Committee can kind of wrap
them into its deliberations. And it's kind of rewrite. I
guess you could call it of the current bill. So
that should be quite a meaty announcement this afternoon.

Speaker 3 (20:51):
And clear very quickly the Prime ministers spoke nicely about
his colleagues. He told a school on a visit that
he would work with both Winston Peters and David Seymour again.
He likes working with them.

Speaker 6 (21:02):
Yeah. He did always stand up after his after a
visit to a school and was a about whether or
not he would, you know, was open to working with
Winston Peters after twenty twenty six and a bit of
a change of a tune from twenty twenty three when
you'll remember during the campaign he said he'd kind of

(21:22):
wouldn't say whether or not he'd picked up the phone
to Winston Peters, and then eventually it looked like Winston
might make it in, so he came out and made
a big They made a big deal of it, almost
fairly last minute of saying that he would pick up
the phone if he had to and that kind of stuff.
In this time around, there was no hesitation. He basically
said yes, he'd be open to talking to Winston again,

(21:46):
and of course that would be a decision for Winston
to make, and it would be up to the voters
whether or not it was needed. And I did message
Winston to ask him if the feeling was mutual, but
Winston didn't reply, which was possibly because he was hosting
the Secretary General Antonio Guteris. But let him get away

(22:07):
with it.

Speaker 3 (22:07):
What's slightly more important things to deal with, Claire. Yeah,
he did.

Speaker 6 (22:12):
Say the same thing about David Seymour, but that's a
far less controversial question. I guess you could call it.
So we'll wait and see what happens. Of course, he
did point out there's still two years to go and
who knows what the next election will deal up, so
it's not exactly a pre coalition coalition agreement or anything
like that.

Speaker 3 (22:32):
Clear, Trouvette, Enjoy the rest of your Sunday. Thanks for
your time this morning. It is twenty five to ten.

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Speaker 3 (22:48):
To have you with us. You're with the Sunday Session.
The first of our paralympians have arrived in the Athletes
village in Paris ahead of the Paralympics starting on Thursday.
Among those as flag bearer twenty twenty four Halberg para
Athlete of the Year and three times Para Olympic gold
medalists woman Cameron Leslie, he's with me from Paris.

Speaker 7 (23:07):
Good morning, Cameron, Good morning.

Speaker 3 (23:10):
How does it feel to finally be in Paris?

Speaker 7 (23:15):
It's cool. Yeah, this has been so long building up
to it.

Speaker 8 (23:17):
It's nice to sort of be here and be amongst
the Paralympic village. Right, It's different sort of vibes to
what we get at other like work, just specific swimming championships,
so it's kind of cool to be back amongst it
and relative normality too.

Speaker 3 (23:30):
How many of the team have arrived in the village.

Speaker 7 (23:34):
Oh, we might have half. Yeah, there's a still a
few more to come.

Speaker 8 (23:38):
Athletics doll to come, canoe still to come, and the
questrian is still to come, I believe.

Speaker 3 (23:45):
Is it nice to have a bit of time to
acclimatize and get used to things.

Speaker 8 (23:49):
Yeah, it's cool, particularly like given the cutthroat nature that
it is, and it's different transport and things like that,
it's kind of nice just to get you get the
layer of the land understanding, particularly for someone like me
with my disability. I like to understand what the walking
distances are, just so I know whether I'm using prosthetics,
WHI jump in a wheelchair, or what might be the
best option for me to put my best foot forward
performance wise.

Speaker 3 (24:09):
You'll be carrying the flag in the opening ceremony on Wednesday,
your time with Anna Grimaldi. How special is it to
be named flag bearer?

Speaker 9 (24:18):
Yeah?

Speaker 8 (24:19):
Real humbling, eh, Yeah, sort of thinking in a little
bit more now that we hear and I guess you're
seeing more of your teammates who are sort of like
smiling and gets up saying congrats and person stuff like
that too, So it's kind of yeah, it was really nice.

Speaker 7 (24:32):
You're looking forward to it. It would be a special
moment for sure.

Speaker 3 (24:35):
This is your fourth Paralympics, but the first time as
a dad, the first with your wife and your three
children watching. How does that change things? What does that
mean to you?

Speaker 7 (24:47):
Yeah?

Speaker 8 (24:49):
I say it's going to be different, but it's not
because you're still going to be trying to perform your best.
But also I think I'll have a real big dose
of context as soon as the race finishes. Whether it
goes good or bad, there'll be three happy kiddies to
see me in the crowd, smiling, waving, and I guess
whether it's a good result or a bad result, they
don't care, and that's probably something that's really an easy

(25:11):
way to sort of move forward and progress to the
next race and things like that, regardless of what the
outcome is. So yeah, I'm really looking forward to it.
They've been part of the holding camp in Spain with me,
so that's been really just good for me to help
get the home life sorted before moving into competition mode.

Speaker 3 (25:27):
Oh, it's so exciting they're there with you. What about
your parents? Are they in Paris?

Speaker 8 (25:33):
Yep, they've just flown out to Spain to help my
wife and kids get up to Paris itself to just
align their bookings all line up with Airbnb and when
we could get the accommodation and things like that. So yeah,
they'll be there in the crowd as well.

Speaker 3 (25:45):
They were really emotional when you were named flag Bearro.
What impact have they had on your success?

Speaker 8 (25:54):
Massive a like mum says, there was no book for
how to raise a child with a disability when I
was born, so they had to sort of figure it
out on their own and just go with their gut
on a lot of stuff, And there was a lot
of arrible messaging that came through the medical model of
expectations of what life would be like for me, and
that I was their fourth child, so they had had
kids before me, and they sort of sat there going, sure,

(26:16):
it's not going to be that bad, and so they
just did what they knew and have treated me very
normal and encouraged the home environment and the family environment
with me and the siblings to be very not just normal.

Speaker 7 (26:28):
So yeah, I haveptive.

Speaker 8 (26:29):
Credit them for a lot of how I've turned out
just as a person, but also in the sporting space.
They've been very supportive without being overbearing as well, which
has been.

Speaker 7 (26:38):
I guess part of me finding my own way in life.

Speaker 3 (26:40):
You talk a lot about seeing capability over disability, but
is it important for you and for your kids to
see you competing with a disability showing them what you
can do?

Speaker 10 (26:51):
Yeah?

Speaker 7 (26:51):
I think so.

Speaker 8 (26:53):
I mean, i'd be lying if I wasn't worried about
one day when the kids grow up, you know, they've
got a disabled dad at some point that won't be
as cool as what it is at daycare.

Speaker 7 (27:02):
When kids are very little.

Speaker 8 (27:04):
So I want them to be happy and confident and
know that dad's done some cool things and if someone
says something mean about their dad, that they shouldn't care.
And there's been heaps of really positive comments from people
who have disabled parents and it's been really nice.

Speaker 7 (27:18):
Just a bit of backing on.

Speaker 8 (27:19):
My mindset on that, but I think it's really important
because everyone's got stories of you know, oh yeah, my
dad did this or my mum did this back in
the day, and you just know they were never there
to see it. So hopefully we're creating some memories for
them and changing changing my kid's viewpoint of disability, and
I know that we are changing like their friends, like
my friend's kids.

Speaker 7 (27:39):
Viewpoint of disability as well, in terms.

Speaker 8 (27:41):
Of what is capable and just normalizing a bit of
disability and normalizing conversation around it.

Speaker 3 (27:46):
You work for Swimming New Zealand developing powers swimming talent
across the country. How much swimming talent is out there.

Speaker 7 (27:53):
Quite a bit.

Speaker 8 (27:53):
They've had New Zealand Short Course Champs on this week
in Auckland, so I've been following the results whilst have
been over here. Yeah, it's been really there's quite a
bit coming through some really promising prospects, which is I
guess my job being done. Well, it's just trying to
convert them into the high performance space. And there's a
there's well probably three or four there just sort of
waiting in the wings, very close to making the making

(28:15):
into that cutthroat space.

Speaker 7 (28:16):
So yeah, we're in a good place, that's for sure.

Speaker 3 (28:19):
And what about you, Cameron, what's your personal goal for
the Paralympics. Yeah, feeling good about your form.

Speaker 8 (28:25):
Yeah, actually I've been doing some really good times in
our holding camp in Spain, some season best times, which
is always really encouraging. And yeah, hey goal is to
hit hit a podium or two.

Speaker 7 (28:34):
Whether or not that happens or not, we'll see.

Speaker 8 (28:36):
There's some strong competition out there and it is a
lot of it's going to be who can do it
best on the day, So fingers crossed that I can
be one of the best on the day.

Speaker 3 (28:46):
And we've got three swimmers making Paralympic deboots. How do
you expect the team to go?

Speaker 8 (28:53):
Hopefully they make finals as as a start point, absolutely,
and I hope that they kick on and you know,
maybe one of it. One of them might shock us
with the metal finish. Who knows how that's the dream.

Speaker 3 (29:05):
Love an underdog story. You've been to four Olympics, You've
been on the sign for a while.

Speaker 11 (29:10):
Now.

Speaker 3 (29:10):
Does that sort of on the scene for a while now,
does that kind of put you into a bit of
a mentoring role within the whole New Zealand team.

Speaker 8 (29:19):
Definitely with an our swim team, Yeah, but that's because
there's relationships built there already and that, like, I know
that the people lean into that experience and sort of
get people to speak up at certain times or whatever
to whether it be help, encourage or whatever. But each
team has got pretty good support networks and experience amongst them. Anyway,
There's not too many on the team who are very
very green. We sometimes, like in the past we've had

(29:42):
very green swimmers who hadn't been to a World Champs
and stuff like that coming to a Paralympic game. So yeah,
there will be times we will lean into that, but
other times, yeah, there's just you know, they're pretty good
group of athletes here this year fantastic.

Speaker 3 (29:56):
Look, I know you've only been in Paris a day
or so, but you know, you went to Rio, London, Beijing.
How are you feeling is Paris? Sort of feeling good?

Speaker 8 (30:04):
Impressed if we were talking about yeah, yeah, we were
talking as a team, We're like, I'm very impressed so far.
Like it's there hasn't been any issues as such, Like
I know other people and other roles might have had
some issues that they've dealt with. From an athletic side
of things, it's all been pretty smooth sailing. Everything from
being welcomed off the plane to getting into the village.
Everything's been really bloody.

Speaker 3 (30:23):
Good, fantastic. Hey, you're also a member of the Wheelblacks
who narrowly missed out on qualifying if they had qualified.
What have you done both?

Speaker 7 (30:34):
Yep, that was the plan.

Speaker 8 (30:35):
We were making plans for a well in advance of
games time to how it could be managed in whether
it was possible or not and short, short answers, Yes
it was possible. So gutter that we couldn't qualify the
wheel Blacks, but it's a brutal qualification process and wheelchair rugby.

Speaker 3 (30:52):
Has anyone else have it done two different sports at
the Olympics, the.

Speaker 7 (30:55):
Paralympics, Yeah, it's been done.

Speaker 8 (30:58):
There's a fear few who have done I guess done
double sports before. But they're quite like similar if you
know what I mean, like I don't know, like Mara
and something on the track if you know what I mean,
like you both you're both pushing a track chair on
both events. It's quite similar styles. But yeah, it's not
very common to have the contrast that are swimming and
wheel to rugby.

Speaker 7 (31:18):
Yeah, but hey, who knows. LA is still coming up,
and I hope we'll hope that we're blacks are back
in LA.

Speaker 8 (31:23):
And but maybe my old old body will get through
four more years and swimming will see.

Speaker 3 (31:27):
I love it. Hey, Just lastly, you've had some involvement
with Paralympics Schools program going into schools, which I think
is fantastic. How important is it for you to showcase
what you and your fellow athletes can do to you know,
these kids impressed?

Speaker 8 (31:41):
Yeah, definitely, it's such a special project. I think Toyota's
right behind it too, helping, I guess, charge it and
make it happen and we I think it's part of
looking to that future generation. I love doing school talks
anyway myself, but it's the main reason for that is
that you can change these people's opinions of disability and
get away from probably some older stereotypes that kick around

(32:03):
with disability and what people are capable of, and really
showcase what both the human body can do, but what
athletes with an impairment can do as well. And it's
not just positive towards athletes, it's positive towards people with
the disability anyway. So I think it's hugely important to
I guess, help help grow that next generation of people.
You know that they are New Zealand's future, right, So
if we can help them with a more different mindset

(32:24):
towards disability and different outlook on what is capable and
possible and how something might be possible to happen, it's
only but a good thing.

Speaker 3 (32:30):
Yeah, absolutely, Look we're right behind you, Cameron. Best of luck,
we shall be following. I hope things go well.

Speaker 7 (32:38):
Thank you so much, much appreciated.

Speaker 3 (32:40):
Key We Paralympian and our opening ceremony flag there are
Cameron Leslie there. The Paralympics get underway this Thursday, twelve
to ten. New Stalks.

Speaker 2 (32:49):
You be digging into the issues that affect you. The
my casking breakfast.

Speaker 12 (32:54):
Is it a raiser thing? I'm the head coach. Therefore
I get what I want and if you can't fit
him with that, you must go.

Speaker 5 (33:00):
Is that how it worth of unerally, well, I'd love
to be a part of that.

Speaker 12 (33:04):
I can't see how you can say he will be
in a seat. But the decision will be made in
December of the September of the decision hasn't been anyway.
The good news is William gets back tomorrow at six
am the Mike Hosking Breakfast with the Rain Driver of
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Speaker 2 (33:18):
Relax, it's still the weekend.

Speaker 1 (33:20):
It's a Sunday session with Francesca Rudkin and Wiggles for
the best selection of great reads used talk ZEDB.

Speaker 3 (33:27):
You know, now I've got an update on the astronauts.
Remember we spoke about this a few weeks back. A
couple of astronauts went up on Boeing star Liner to
the International Space Station. They went for eight days several

(33:47):
months ago, and they are stuck there. And it is
actually the worst outcome for the Boeing star Liner because
a SpaceX crew Dragon capsule is now going to bring
the two NASA astronauts home. They have been on the
International Space Station now for about eighty days. So the
star Liner vehicle which carried Sidney Williams and Butch Wilmore

(34:10):
to the station early in June, had some helium leagues
and had some issues with its thrusters, and they were
really hoping that they're be able to get it sorted
and to be able to bring them home. But they've
decided that no, that is not going to be the case.
So SpaceX, they already had a mission heading up to
the International Space Station there was supposed to replace four
of the astronauts up there. They'll take up two poor old,

(34:34):
poor old Sonny, poor old Sydney and Butch. They're going
to stay and they're actually going to do that rotation
on the International Space Station and then they'll come back
after six months. If they are married and have families.
Could you imagine their wives. They were supposed to go
for eight days, gone for eight months. So this is
not a good look for Boeing, And of course it's
ended up costing them a huge amount of money. And

(34:57):
there is some thought while these cost overruns have sort
of spurred some rumors that Boeing may not see the
star Liner program through. So that's the decision that's been
made there. Well, that's a work trip gone wrong, isn't it.
We release a new episode of The Little Things yesterday,

(35:18):
the podcast I did with my friend Louise Air, and
we had a great chat actually to hairdresser and stylist,
to Brad Lepper and also the founder of The Face
Place and an expert in non surgical cosmetic procedures, doctor
cat Stone. So we we're just talking about, you know, aging.
Some of us struggle with it, some of us don't.
There's lots of things that you can do to you know,

(35:39):
ease the passage as we age, And basically these two
kind of get us sorted and explain all sorts of
things that's available. What I did learn though, is hair
loss happens to one and two men, it happens to
one and three women. It's raally common with women, especially
as they sort of hit middle age. So Brad talks
about all the things that you can do to prevent that,
which is a fascinating chat. So you can find the

(36:01):
latest episode of The Little Things at Iheartrato, Spotify, wherever
you get your podcasts. It is seven to ten News
took their.

Speaker 2 (36:08):
B sep it simple.

Speaker 1 (36:10):
It's Sunday The Sunday Session with Francesca Rudkin and Whiggles
for the best selection of Great Bals news talk.

Speaker 3 (36:17):
Zedb Christie's to say, Jess, I hope the astronauts didn't
leave their vehicle on a Wilson's car park. That's when
you go for the lost ticket fee, isn't it. Thank
you for text A lot of your texting in about
the councils. Well the PM rock was the PM wrong? No,
he was on point. These councils have been misspending for
over ten years now, Francisca. Councils need to go through

(36:38):
staff levels line by line or way too much dead
wood in there. They have no appetite to do so though. Look,
I think it depends where you are, Allen. I know
that Auband Council has been pretty much going through restructures
since since COVID. They might not talk about it quite
as much as central government does. But no, there's been
there's been a lot of changes in there and I look,
I can only talk to my counsel. Thank you for
your texts. Madeline Sammy, she is one of a kind.

(37:02):
She is one of New Zealand's funniest and most prolific
comedic tealer, but there was a time where she really
actually struggled to land roles. So what has happened to
the industry here in New Zealand after the after You're
over the last two decades. Why is she now at
forty four a very sought after actor, writer and director.
We're going to find out next and talk about why
New Zealand's screen industry is superior to Australia's.

Speaker 2 (37:25):
It's Sunday. You know what that means.

Speaker 1 (37:27):
It's the Sunday Session with Francesca Rudkin and Wiggles for
the best selection of great reeds 's talk.

Speaker 3 (37:34):
Sepp, good morning, you'll with the Sunday Session. I'm Francesca
Rudgin with you until midday. Good to have you with us.
Nadelin Sami is Comedy Royalty in New Zealand. A versatile actress, director,
presenter and writer. She is crazy busy at the moment,

(37:57):
She's in hot demand and in a great run of
career form. Last weekend she was up for Best Actress
at the Logis for Deadlock and now her homegrowing comedy
Double Parked is back. Madeline is both director and one
of the lead actresses season two launched on three this week,
and Madeleine is here in the studio with me. Good morning, Hello, Kyotra.

(38:17):
Double Packed is out now you're in the thick of
promotion for that. You're heading back to OZ to film
season two of Deadlock. We've had to move this interview
by day because you've been working here in New Zealand
as while picking up some more work. I did read
that you were the kind of person who likes to
have five projects on the go. We've seen that that
is the case.

Speaker 13 (38:36):
Yeah, yeah, I mean I think it's like in our industry.
I don't know, you start, when you start out, you're
so desperate for work. You're so grateful for any work
you get because it's you know, it's a tough industry
to be in. There's a lot of competition, and so
I feel like it's kind of a mentality from back
when I was like eighteen and starting out in the industry,

(38:56):
I was must take work because you never know when
the next job will come. So yeah, I probably am
a bit of a workerholic. I also do they probably
have undiagnosed a DHD. I also do just like working,
and I think when you get good opportunities, you got
to take them.

Speaker 3 (39:13):
Yeah, there's nothing wrong with that. I mean you'll say,
notice something you don't want to do.

Speaker 14 (39:16):
Oh, definitely, definitely. I mean that's something I've learned the
older I've got.

Speaker 13 (39:20):
In fact, I think like the pandemic was really good
for that, sort of like sitting back and having a
bit of time out to be like, how do I
want to lead my life? And why do I want
to feel so tired all the time and not necessarily
doing the thing I love, you know, and sort of
taught me a bit to narrow things down.

Speaker 3 (39:38):
So how did that change? Were you just more discerning
about the projects side?

Speaker 14 (39:42):
I think so, Yeah.

Speaker 13 (39:43):
I think I was just like, oh, look, I don't
just have to wear myself out and do everything I can.
I can pick the things that I love more. And yeah,
it's and for me, it's like, you know, a variety.
I love variety, and I love you know, I love
doing a bit of directing and acting and writing. Having
those it's also survival because like sometimes one of those

(40:03):
things is all right up and the other things are
going going good guns And you know, that was.

Speaker 3 (40:08):
Exactly what I was going to say, you know, the
acting directing, writing, presenting. It's do you kind of go
through seasons of each or can they often be sort
of going at the same time.

Speaker 13 (40:19):
I mean, I think often they're going at the same time.
Often I'm in a year. I mean, some years I
do more acting than directing. I think last year I
probably did more directing than acting. And it's just nice
to have. It's just nice to kind of have the variety. Really,
I think that I love doing both of those things. Obviously,

(40:40):
acting is the first thing I started doing, so it's
always going to be my one true love. But then
it's really fun to be creative in those other spaces
as well.

Speaker 3 (40:48):
Do you like directing yourself? Do you like acting and directing?

Speaker 14 (40:51):
It's very hectic.

Speaker 13 (40:52):
Yeah, it's very hectic to try and have your brain
in two spaces at once and kind of be because
the director has to kind of be the center for
every other crew member, cast member on the set, for
all their Christians. And then when you're also trying to
think of a performance for yourself, you're like, oh, wait,

(41:13):
what do I want to do in the scene.

Speaker 3 (41:14):
How do I want to.

Speaker 14 (41:15):
Act in the scene?

Speaker 13 (41:15):
You know, like it's quite a lot, and I definitely
feel exhausted after doing that.

Speaker 3 (41:20):
Where's your priority at the moment? Are you in an
acting phase a directing phase? I mean, where would you
like to sort of as things progress or are you
very open to just carrying on taking whatever opportunities can.

Speaker 14 (41:31):
Be pretty open?

Speaker 13 (41:31):
I think it just sort of depends on the project.
I think sometimes, like with acting, your really front and
center of something, and the kind of energy it takes
us quite different from from directing. Like directing sort of
feels like more behind the scenes, obviously more problem solving,
which in itself can be quite exhausting, but sometimes it's

(41:52):
less exhausting than actually being on camera yourself, which you know,
when you have to kind of delve into yourself emotionally
to create a character or you know, portray an emotion
like that itself can be so exhausting. So I think
I like the flipping between because sometimes it's nice just
to sit behind a camera in your own clothes and
you know, say cut.

Speaker 3 (42:12):
Well, just as you say, just think about one thing
on that particular job. Now, am I right? Double Park
season two? It's released this week? It is such a unique,
fun concept. But am I right that you were actually
always going to direct? That you weren't going to act
in it, and then you've ended up in want in
a starting role.

Speaker 14 (42:28):
Yeah.

Speaker 13 (42:28):
I was asked to direct and then it was like
do you want to act? And I was sort of
not sure about it, and I think I was on
another job at the time, so I hadn't really considered
it the acting of it. And then I finally got
my hand on a script before we were going into editions,
and I sort of was like, I couldn't believe that

(42:48):
Chris had written this part.

Speaker 14 (42:49):
It felt like he had written me or a part
for me at.

Speaker 13 (42:53):
Least and Antonio weirdly now looking back as well, but.

Speaker 3 (42:58):
Has he ever denied that, has he ever said you
I actually girls? And I didn't.

Speaker 13 (43:01):
Nah, absolutely, It's like no, I just wrote the characters.
And then it just felt like and I was like, well,
I have to play the character.

Speaker 14 (43:07):
It just feels so close to me.

Speaker 13 (43:08):
And also, you know this, obviously representation and diversity is
so much better these days, but it's still rare to
be able to make a show about a queer couple,
and kind of I think I think maybe at that point,
Nat was the first queer character I had played on screen,

(43:29):
or I played a bisexual character of The breaker Uppers.
But like, so it was you know, in a career
of over twenty years, it's like not a lot of
queer characters I've gotten to play, but in the last
few years it's you know, it's obviously getting better.

Speaker 14 (43:43):
But yeah, I sort of had to take the opportunity.
Really as well.

Speaker 3 (43:46):
It's such a fabulous show.

Speaker 15 (43:48):
You know.

Speaker 3 (43:48):
If you look at the end of season one, it
ended with this hilarious episode where the two of you
are giving birth and things. You come back in and
to season two and actually the first ip is you know,
and it was end of season one. It was funny
but moving as well. You come back in and we're
straight into full drama, you know. And so I just

(44:10):
love that there's all this room there. While there's this
brilliant comedy and there's amazing cast and some hilarious cameos,
Go Montgomery giving you a epidural and things brilliant Connis,
there is so much room there for it to be
more than just one thing, which I love.

Speaker 13 (44:24):
Yeah, and I think that's what Chris has really got
his finger on, you know, Like he's such a funny
guy and he's known as being such a funny comedian,
but he's just got a very brilliant mind and he's
got a really great kind of take on something that
can be you know, he can make something really funny

(44:45):
and moving as well. And you know, this show is
very heartfelt and it's made with a lot of love,
and it's written with a lot of love, and I
think that's what sort of comes across in the final product.

Speaker 14 (44:58):
But yeah, this season, the stake's a lot.

Speaker 13 (45:00):
Higher because there's two new beings in this flat full
of chaotic people, and so yeah, there's a lot.

Speaker 14 (45:07):
It's a lot.

Speaker 13 (45:07):
It's just heavier because it's it's harder.

Speaker 14 (45:11):
It's hard.

Speaker 3 (45:11):
You've been involved in another one of my favorite shows
from the last few years, the ousie show dead Lock,
which is just so wonderfully bold and it's humor and
so much fun. You're heading back to OZ now to
start filming season two. Am I right in saying once again?
You started out as a writer on that show and
then ended up starring in the theme here is I

(45:34):
don't know the theme on the door?

Speaker 13 (45:35):
And then it's quite funny because I'm forty four and
I'm like, you know, this career has been sort of
all you know, like a career of an actor sort
of all over the show. And I sort of diversified
a few years ago when I started getting into writing
as well, to kind of tell the stories I wanted
to tell. And you know, like I said before, I'm like,
I'm just grateful for the work. And I'd known the

(45:57):
Cats for a few years. They asked me to direct
a web series that they were doing, and we'd always
just kind of kept in touch, and then the opportunity
to write came along. I was like, I have to
work with these women. They're too amazing, too funny, too clever,
too silly, And so I started writing on the show,
but it was through lockdowns and pandemic and so we
were sort of in virtual writers' rooms. I was in

(46:19):
Auckland in lockdown and they were in Melbourne and lockdown
and started writing on the show.

Speaker 14 (46:24):
And then.

Speaker 13 (46:26):
Yeah, it just it just I got asked to audition
and I messaged one of the Kates and said, as
it's a prank. I thought it was a prank, but
ended up ended up working on the show there.

Speaker 3 (46:37):
Yeah, and the first one mostly sat in Tasmania and
the second one You're off to Darwin, which is apparently
an amazing city, but you know, one of quite extreme
temperatures and large amount of crocodile A large amount of crocodiles. Yeah,
but you've had your crocodile safety briefing.

Speaker 13 (46:53):
I've been doing a lot of my own pre pre
production crocodile research. I've been watching a lot of Steve Irwin,
which is fun. Actually, it's nice to throw back to
watch it with Steve Virwin. But yeah, no, there's like
a one hundred thousand crocks or something. They've grown all
the crocs back. It's hot, it's sweaty. I'm not sure
I'm prepared from this New Zealand winter to head into that,

(47:16):
but I am a halfygi in Indian so I probably
should be able to handle it a little bit. It's
in my DNA. Surely, here we go.

Speaker 3 (47:23):
You know, we're talking about two shows, Double Parked and Deadlock,
and both we see quite refreshing perspectives on characters that
we don't normally see on TV. And you kind of
alluded to this a little bit before. Do you love
what TV is kind of throwing our way now, throwing audiences?

Speaker 13 (47:42):
I think it's just, I mean, it's kind of about time.
But also, you know what's been lovely to see is
I think for a long time TV was just quite sanitized,
was quite mono. You know, it was a certain group
of people that we saw all the time, and a
certain age group of people, and it's just what passed

(48:04):
as television for such a time and for you know,
like in my twenties, you know, I'd always be like,
how come I can't get on without actually stating the obvious,
you know, people that looked like me weren't being cast.
And then you know, through time and probably like I
would say, even in the last like fifteen years, you know,
it shows I feel like show like Oranges The New Black,

(48:27):
where it was just like women of all colors and
races and sizes and sexualities and genders, and you know,
like it was just I feel like there was just
this kind of explosion of diversity, and I think, you know,
there've been all these massive movements that have contributed to
the need to kind of share and project more of

(48:47):
what society looks like. And so I feel I feel
like it was time, and it just it's crazy to
be like in my forties and getting all this work.
It feels like when I was in my twenties. Women
and actors and their forties were put out to pasture,
you know, women especially.

Speaker 3 (49:05):
So you're just in during your prime now injuring my prime?

Speaker 14 (49:09):
Did lock on Prime?

Speaker 3 (49:11):
There we go. Yeah, Hey, you're working across the New
zealandustruta quite a bit at the moment. How are we
doing in comparison with our local content?

Speaker 13 (49:19):
I mean, I don't know, it's a pretty I would
say it's a pretty ski I mean it's a very
topsy TV time for the industry and general media TV.

Speaker 14 (49:30):
In the world, I think, not even just New Zealand.

Speaker 13 (49:32):
Like I feel like I feel like there's this little
bubble post pandemic where you know, everyone was out of
the bubble and making stuff and now there's been this
obviously like you know, economic kind of contraction across all
all kind of across the world and all industries and

(49:52):
the our industries really felt that as well.

Speaker 14 (49:54):
So there's been a lot of you know a lot.

Speaker 13 (49:56):
Of great shows that have been cut and and so.

Speaker 14 (50:01):
I feel very lucky that we're getting to do that.

Speaker 13 (50:03):
I get to do a second season of these shows,
and obviously there's an audience for them, and that's great
and in terms of Australia and New Zealand, like, I
don't know, I feel like I'm always really proud of
how much New Zealand has been a hit of the
game in terms of like champion championing diversity and our
you know and indigenous culture and out within.

Speaker 14 (50:25):
Our sort of arts and media. And you know, it's.

Speaker 13 (50:28):
Always a sort of stark contrast when I go to
somewhere like Australia and you've realized how how sort of
behind in some ways they are culturally in terms of
like where we're at with our race relations and how
that affects the flow and affect of that into TV,
into what gets made and all that sort of stuff.
So I always do feel like a bit you know,

(50:49):
kind of up myself when I come back to New
Zealand and go, you know, like we are representing people
and we're doing it better than a lot of places,
and we're telling stories from you know, I just think
about Kevin and Co, who I make apart to it,
you know, it's a queer story about you know, two

(51:10):
women who have babies together and then they've got raised
by refugees, which is a show I directed with Paxasity
who you know, it's about a refugee family, and then
you know you've got all these kind of like people
champion and diverse voices, and I think we've all we've
got a history of that if you go back to
like the Top Twins, Billy t you know, there's always
been no matter what era we've been in or government,

(51:32):
we've had New Zealanders love each other, I think, and
I think that we're not afraid to kind of just
be ourselves. And I know, I think I do feel
really proud. I do think we do it better.

Speaker 14 (51:47):
Wells Sorry Australia.

Speaker 3 (51:49):
Wells said, hey, look I wish you all the.

Speaker 13 (51:51):
Best saying that did Locke is a very diverse show
and I think that's another thing that people have really
responded to. It is just absolutely you know, it's one
of the ones that sort of stands out.

Speaker 3 (52:02):
Hey, look all the best for the next four months
you're and when will you get to see will your
daughter join you at all?

Speaker 14 (52:09):
I'm not going to be in down the whole time.

Speaker 13 (52:11):
I'm moving around a bit, so I'll probably get her
over when she's a bit closer. Because Darlin's basically like Bali,
so I'm like, it's so far away, she won't be
able to handle that flight. But if I'll get her
over when it's a bit class. Also, she has to
go to school, so she does. She must go to school.
She can't come out and have fun with men.

Speaker 3 (52:26):
Crocodiles just occasionally, maybe just prey sure every time. I'm Madelin, Sammy,
thank you so much for your time. Thank you, and
you can catch Madeline and double parked. It is on
three now and screening every Thursday on three. Don't Forget.
New York Times bestseller Maureen Collahan joins me after leaving
to talk about her book about the Kennedy Men and
the way they treated the women in their lives. Twenty

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Speaker 3 (54:20):
A little bit of food, fighters there with My Hero
and we actually have permission to play that song today
here from the show. Trump didn't have permission, well, they
didn't ask for permission and they weren't very grateful that
he played the song. Is that right? Steve.

Speaker 16 (54:37):
We'll get to Trump in just a second, Okay, But
first of all, I'm really humbled by your choice of
that song before my microphone switched on. Yes, I accept
this with a grateful open heart. And also you are welcome.

Speaker 3 (54:56):
Good to have you with us.

Speaker 16 (54:57):
Hey, so Trump has got history in using big pieces
of popular music at his rallies. H totally, because you're
you know, you're setting a tone. Like any kind of
use of a known piece of music in a public setting,
it's an implied endorsement, right, Like, maybe it's not when
you're just filling time between a couple of speakers or

(55:20):
a couple of bands or something like that's just background noids.
But if you're walking someone on in this case, Robert
if Kennedy, Robert of Kennedy Jr. To my hero, this
is as Kennedy pulls out of the US presidential race.
You're kind of implying something, and the food fighters one
into it. A spokesperson told Billboard magazine the trade publication

(55:42):
in the US food fighters were not ask permission, and
if they were, they would not have granted it. Appropriate
actions are being taken against the campaign, so it will
be a seasoned assessed. But also they're going to try
and get some money out of them for a public
for what they're I guess what the implied association costs. Yes,
and that money will be donated to the opposing campaign, right.

Speaker 3 (56:01):
And look at the end of the day, when it
comes down to we're going to see this more and more,
especially leading into November. It's probably quite simple to reach
out and just check it's okay if you can.

Speaker 16 (56:09):
Yeah, I think so. I think possibly on some occasions
it might be a bit trolley, but I think with
this one, like clearly they're trying to connect Kennedy to
the title and rousing anthem of that song. Before the
chorus of My Hero began playing, Trump described him as
I don't think too many of you people have heard
of him. He's very low key. He's a very low

(56:30):
key person, but he's highly respected. He was a great person.
I've known him for so long, for the past sixteen months.

Speaker 3 (56:36):
We'll be talking to Maureen Callahan about him after eleven.
She has some interesting thoughts there. Hey, Guy Montgomery is back.
He's got his new season of his Guy mont Spelling Bee,
which is.

Speaker 16 (56:49):
Always a mark we're never gonna get used to saying
it's terrible name, but I'm never gonna get sick of
saying it. Look, this show is one of the two
places I'd really like to see Donald Trump go because
his inarticulate way with the English language is kind of
made for a spelling bee, which if you haven't caught
this show in its first season here or in one
of its live incarnations, it's kind of an excuse for

(57:09):
guy to run a retro style kind of game show
panel show. Sure it literally is a spelling bee, but
also to be a real malevolent bully of a host.
It's kind of engineered from both to be like reveal
the people's you know, comedians can't spell? This is the
probably the kind of core thing we've actually.

Speaker 3 (57:28):
Learned educationally, not at all, not at all.

Speaker 16 (57:32):
But then boy that agree of punishment that he will
hand out to them for any perceived infraction as severe.
The show traveled a bit internationally live. He normally does
it off the side of comedy festivals he attends in
Australia or the UK, And I think this is one
that we need a TV statistician for. Has there ever
been a New Zealander before who has had flagship versions

(57:53):
of their TV show with the same name, Guy Montgomery's
guymont Spelling Bee, but different versions airing in Australia and
New Zealand at the same time. There's an Australian version
of the show hosted by Guy on right now looks
the same set, looks very similar. Australian comedians are a
different co host and here in New Zealand, the first
episode of the new seasons just started on three or

(58:14):
you can stream it on three now. I don't I
can't think of a previous.

Speaker 3 (58:17):
There was a New Zealand show called pop Stars, which
revolutionized music and manufactured groups on the TV, but.

Speaker 16 (58:27):
Peter Erlich wasn't franchised. He should have been. You could
franchise Ilich.

Speaker 3 (58:34):
Very good point. Now I'm thrilled for Guy. He's such
a nice guy too, so when you see him be
so kind of would you call him?

Speaker 16 (58:42):
I stole it from one of the Australian flicks writers
who I was very pleased. I tasked her with writing
on the show and I thought a bit of it
was like, God, I hope they're going to like it.
I had that weird Key Week cultural cringe and all
I was doing was commissioning someone to do some work
and have an opinion. But nevertheless, and they liked it.
And that's where that's where malevolent came from. And I thought,
you get it.

Speaker 3 (59:02):
Yeah, nice, Thank you so much. Oh where can we
watch Guy Mont?

Speaker 16 (59:06):
That's three and it's all the app that they used
to call the incredibly intuitive and easy to use three
now app, which actually has had an upgrade and is.

Speaker 3 (59:14):
Now getting a little bit better.

Speaker 16 (59:16):
He was biting the hand that feeds for a while there.

Speaker 3 (59:18):
Yeah, yeah, thank you so much, Steve. We'll catch up
next week. It is twenty eight to eleven News Talks
at B.

Speaker 1 (59:27):
It's the Sunday session with Francesca Rudkin on News Talks
at B.

Speaker 3 (59:34):
Joining me now to talk science is doctor Michelle Dickinson.
Then a girl, Good morning, Good morning. We just had
to kick Steve. We're kicking Steve out of the studio.
We're having a great chat. I'm getting some good tips
on how to deal with young people going out in
town late at night. It was good advice, very helpful.
Thank you, Steve. We'll continue that conversation another time, but
we are going to talk about some of the little

(59:54):
tips and tricks that supermarkets used to convince us to
buy some products. And you've got some really fascinating information
today about out orangs. This is a great scam. I
love this.

Speaker 17 (01:00:04):
So it's in the journal I Perception. It's just been
published and it's almost also.

Speaker 3 (01:00:09):
Go have I read.

Speaker 17 (01:00:09):
It's quite fun. And I just didn't realize that this
trick was happening to me too, But here you go.
So I'll buy oranges my kids eat. I don't know
how many oranges a week. It's out of control. And
I'll go into the supermarket and I see that, you know,
there's a bag of oranges in a little red net,
or there's loose oranges, and I go, I only really
need three oranges. But I look at the bags that
have got eight in it, and they just look so

(01:00:30):
much nicer.

Speaker 3 (01:00:31):
And they're already conveniently picking.

Speaker 17 (01:00:32):
They're in the bag, and I'm like, Okay, well, I
wasn't planning on buying eight oranges, but they're nice in juicy,
and they'll be right for my kids.

Speaker 3 (01:00:39):
Great, I'll just grab eight.

Speaker 17 (01:00:41):
So now I'm buying double the amount of oranges every
week because they're in this nice red bag.

Speaker 14 (01:00:46):
It's a scam.

Speaker 4 (01:00:47):
It's not rile scam.

Speaker 17 (01:00:48):
So here's what this study says. Basically, there's a good
reason why these are in red net bags, and it's
not coincidence. It's an optical illusion, and it is called
the confetti illusion. If you google the confetti illusion you
will see it in action. They basically take great or
beige spheres or balls, and they put little stripes in

(01:01:11):
front of them. Sort of imagine like you've got a
thin Jai lor cell in front of these balls, and
depending on the color of the stripe, the beige or
gray ball that all the same color will look a
different color because your eye just starts to blend these
colors together. And even though these little balls in the
background are all the same color, you perceive them to
be a different color. And so the trick is, if

(01:01:33):
you have green stripes in front of a beige ball,
it looks yellowy green, and if you have red stripes
in front of a beige ball, it looks more yellow.
So what's happening here? And I'm going to tell you
it's not just oranges, it's lemons too. So with the oranges,
if you put red stripes or the red mesh in
front of an orange, it makes your orange look more orange,

(01:01:56):
so you think, oh, that's a juicy, ripe orange, whereas
if you took it out of the bag, which you
can't do, it would look exactly the same as the
ones that are loose next to you. Do the same
for lemon, so lemons usually come in a yellow or
a green mesh, not coincidence. Yellow and green mesh make
lemons look more yellow, and so you go, nice and ripe.

(01:02:16):
I'm gonna buy the bag of twenty instead of the.

Speaker 3 (01:02:19):
And I think you know. The reason I was to
grab them was I'd think to myself, and this was
before we had paper bags in the soupmack. I got, oh, look,
i'll use it. That's not plastic, and of course it is.
It's like I think it's a p properly. So I
was just thinking, oh, then it looks better than grabbing
a plastic bag of oranges.

Speaker 17 (01:02:33):
It's worse for the environment, and it's tricking your eyes.
So if you're buying more oranges than you ever wanted
because you think they look juicy in the red bag.

Speaker 3 (01:02:42):
It's a scam.

Speaker 17 (01:02:44):
And this lovely study and eye perception goes through the
science buying the confetti illusion how you're being scammed basically,
and if you just want one orange, it says just
buy the one orange, and it's literally the same.

Speaker 3 (01:02:55):
You can do this.

Speaker 17 (01:02:56):
You'll get home if you want. So if you buy
the red necks, put it over different fruit and have
a look at how it changed your perception of the color,
it will make it look more ripe. It is not
more ripe. Save your money, buy the loose.

Speaker 3 (01:03:06):
I love it. Thank you so much, Michelle. This week,
I have got coming up this week. I've got three
family members or three different groups of family members coming
for dinner over three different nights. You know how it goes.
No one passes through town for a month and then
for months, and then they all arrive in the one week.
And I was just thinking, oh my gosh, what am
I going to feed them all? And then Polly Marcus,
our guest chef, who is coming up next, she sent

(01:03:29):
through a recipe for a creamy harris a chicken bake,
and I thought, there we go. I am sorted done.
And then I was wondering, I wonder if I could
just make that a couple of times this week, Like
if I now at the first time, that'd be brilliant.
I could just make it all week for the different
family members. But Polly's book has got lots of fabulous
recipes and so we'll talk to her about that next.

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It is twenty one to eleven News Talks EVB.

Speaker 2 (01:03:53):
There's no better way to start your Sunday.

Speaker 1 (01:03:56):
It's the Sunday Session with Francesca Rudkin and Wig Girls
for the best selection of great breaths.

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Speaker 3 (01:04:05):
Joining me now is Polyme. Now, as you know, a
resident chef, Mike vander Elsen. He's having a holiday his
first and ten years. He informed us last week, so
we sent him off and wished him well. Polly has
just released a new book. It's called Seriously Delicious, and
it is ready really good, so we thought we'd get
Polly in to help us out with the recipe this week.
Good morning, Hello, how are you good to have you

(01:04:25):
with us?

Speaker 17 (01:04:25):
Hey?

Speaker 3 (01:04:26):
I flicked through this book and I am not I'm
not the cleverest cook around and I you know, you're
feeding a family all the time, and you just sort
of stick to your the recipes that you use quite often,
and then you sort of try and look around for
something tasty but quite easy to whip up as well
to sort of add to the menu list. There is

(01:04:49):
so much in this book, and you don't. I'm being
genuine because quite often you get a cookbook and you think, well,
i'll cook three things out of this this book. I
absolutely both carrying my producer and I we're both just going, okay,
we are sorted here. It's brilliant. Who are the recipes
aimed at?

Speaker 9 (01:05:04):
Oh?

Speaker 14 (01:05:05):
I would say anyone that like cooking.

Speaker 15 (01:05:07):
I have tried to make them easy enough that if
you aren't the best cook, they're still not They're not scary.
There's not too many recipes. I'm sorry, there's not too
many ingredients. But also big food is like myself that
would just want flavor and somewhat simple but tasty meals.

Speaker 3 (01:05:24):
So you're known as Miss Polly's Kitchen. This is the
second book.

Speaker 14 (01:05:28):
It is number two.

Speaker 3 (01:05:29):
Yeah, how does it differ from the first if someone
already has the first one? I guess.

Speaker 15 (01:05:32):
So there's two years apart from the first and the
second book. I think my Palett's probably evolved. I wanted
something with more flavor. I guess I've just evolved as
a cook. And you see what you've done in the
first book and how you do things differently.

Speaker 17 (01:05:46):
So I guess it was.

Speaker 15 (01:05:47):
More playing up on the flavor but also making them
not difficult, but also aimed at people that like to entertain,
but easy enough that you could make them during the week.

Speaker 3 (01:05:57):
Yeah. No, I've got a bit of entertaining to do
this week. So you've turned up at just the right point.
And the creamy Harrissa chicken bake. Yes, that's what you're
going to talk us through to.

Speaker 15 (01:06:06):
I am, and this one is probably one of my favorites.
It's all pretty comforting, which is quite nice at the moment.
So it's using Harrissa paste, which you can get pretty
much nationwide now in all the international sections. So there's
use some cream. If you're dairy free, you could sub
that for coconut cream, but it's cream, har rescapaste, lemon
juice and lots of garlic. And I always use chicken thighs,

(01:06:29):
but if you don't like thighs, you can sub that
for breasts. Marily that if you've got the time, if
you don't worry about it, throw it in a baking
dish with some chicken stock and while that's baking, can
boil some potatoes, mash them with some butter. Once the
chicken's done, fold through some peas, sprinkle some feta, and
that's it.

Speaker 3 (01:06:49):
And that's it. I'll tell you what it looks. If
you look at the picture, it looks like it's a
lot more complicated than that, which is a great thing.
What you serve, what would you serve it with? Would
you just put that on the table?

Speaker 15 (01:07:01):
I would serve it with the chicken on one plate,
the mashed potato in the set bowl, and then I
think it has to have some garlic bread on the side.
I have said in the recipeet if you did want
more vegetables, you could just blanch some beans or broccoli.
But I like to serve things sort of an individual plates,
just to make more dishes for myself afterwards.

Speaker 3 (01:07:21):
No, I think I think that makes an awful lot
of sense. We're going to put obviously the recipe up
on our website so you'll be able to see all
the details and things. We do. Hear a lot more
about products like Harrissa, don't we Yes?

Speaker 7 (01:07:32):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:07:32):
Why do people love it?

Speaker 15 (01:07:34):
I think I mean, I personally it's a little bit spicy.
I just like that it elevates a meal, and it's
just you know, there's so many different spices and herbs
out there, but it's got a combination of I guess
a lot of my favorite spices and herbs, and it's
just it's got a little cat which I like.

Speaker 3 (01:07:50):
As you say, most of this is throwing all these
ingredients and with the chicken cooking it up. Is that
something you like to try and do provide people with
the recipe where it really is just kind of one
a one dish.

Speaker 14 (01:08:01):
A yeah, cock or bake pulling it together.

Speaker 15 (01:08:04):
Yeah, I think yeah, I think it's an easy way
to cook and it just shows it doesn't have to
be complicated. If you've got a couple of pantry staples,
mix them together, cook it and come out.

Speaker 17 (01:08:13):
Tasting really good.

Speaker 3 (01:08:14):
There's also.

Speaker 15 (01:08:16):
A page in there which has got four different easy
chicken marinade rests.

Speaker 3 (01:08:20):
I saw that as well, which is well because often
it will depend it does depend on when you open
your pantry, what you've got, what you've got in there
and things. What's your favorite pantry staple at the moment.
That's a mean one, isn't it. Ah?

Speaker 15 (01:08:33):
I am eating a lot of garlic.

Speaker 3 (01:08:36):
Sorry not garlic olives.

Speaker 15 (01:08:38):
I just had these jumbo, these huge green olives, and
I put them. I don't know, I've got a thing
at the moment and my rats just everything.

Speaker 3 (01:08:45):
Everywhere and do you put them in hold? You slice
them up?

Speaker 14 (01:08:48):
Honestly depends what I'm making.

Speaker 15 (01:08:49):
But I feel like that, like just a simple thing
like that can change a dish. It's like that with
some garlic and olive oil. Put that on your chicken
and bake it some herbs.

Speaker 3 (01:08:58):
Yeah, voila, there we go. Oh, Polly, really love you
to meet you, and thank you so much for the book.
It's going to be covered and you know, you get
a lovely cookbook and then later it's going to be
it's going to be covered in food. My copy of it.
By the end of the week, we will put Polly's
recipe up on our website news talksdb dot co dot
nz and the new book is called Seriously Delicious.

Speaker 2 (01:09:21):
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Speaker 3 (01:09:29):
Aaron O'Hara Natropath joins me now in our wellness segment,
Good Morning, Good morning. You're talking about something which actually
I'm really passionate about strength training and how that we
can build a healthier body regardless of what age we're at.

Speaker 9 (01:09:45):
Absolutely, and I think people quite often think strength building
of people who want to kind of get into bodybuilding,
but actually strength training is for anyone. And it's interesting
with muscle mass and strength, actually steading increases from birth,
and we actually peak at our strength around thirty five,
between thirty and thirty five, and then from thirty five onwards.

Speaker 3 (01:10:07):
This is the same for women and men.

Speaker 9 (01:10:08):
It is sort of similar, and then it starts to
gradually decline, and we see most decline from sort of
sixty onwards. However, it's not all like lose it or
use it or lose it. Actually we can actually do
a lot forward keeping our strength, and it's not that
we will just naturally decline and we'll get weaker and weaker.

Speaker 3 (01:10:29):
If we actually do.

Speaker 9 (01:10:30):
Move our bodies and do some strength training, it has
such a positive effect on creating a healthier body, so
we don't lose as much muscle mass as we age,
and it can. Cycopenia is a really common thing. So
cycopenia is when we lose muscle mass, strength and function
as we age, and that actually increases your risks some

(01:10:53):
things like falls, fractures, hospitalization, and actually independence as we age.
So it's really important that we don't just allow ourselves
to get weaker and weaker as we age, because it
will affect your quality of life. And so studies show
that actually thirty percent of adults over the age of
seventy will have a decline in their strength that will

(01:11:15):
affect their walking ability, getting up out of a chair
and just simple tasks like that and walking upstairs. So
if we do things to keep our strength, it will
definitely improve our quality of life and our life extension
as well.

Speaker 3 (01:11:30):
And it's something that you can do erin at any stage.
If you think to yourself, oh, I'm sixty five or seventeen,
I've never lifted weight in your life, you can go
to the pantry and get a couple of tins of
food and start doing exercises with those like it's something
that we can all actually pack up and do at
any point in time. You don't necessarily even need to
go to a gym.

Speaker 9 (01:11:48):
Absolutely, and it's never too late to start, and you
actually can start really simply. There was a really interesting
study done on people just using simple weight bearing exercise
twice a week, so not excessive, and they showed a
massive improvement in a little ten week window. So even
if you keep it simple, don't have to kind of

(01:12:09):
go to the gym and do weights every single day,
but do something that is something you're going to be
able to achieve. And it could be something that is
simple as doing things at home, which might be things
like squats, some press ups, getting up and down out
of a chair, simple task up and down that's really
like a squat, but sitting down at the bottom, or

(01:12:31):
maybe getting yourself some resistance bands which are kind of
like rubber bands and then you can progressively increase the
strength of the rubber band to increase your strength and
your physical body. And that was another interesting part is
as we're building up our strength, we actually need to
also progressively bring in heavier weights and that will keep

(01:12:53):
building our strength if we just keep doing the same
routine or actually just plaateau. So we want to be
continually increasing that resistance and that will help to keep
our strength, keep our muscle mass, and that's going to
be so beneficial as we age, keeping our bodies super
healthy so we can do all the things that we
love to do and keep a nice, strong, healthy body.

(01:13:17):
And nutrition is going to play a part in this absolutely.
And I think that as we age sometimes we think
that we don't need as much food or we don't
need as much protein, but actually it's the reverse. As
we age, we need more protein. So actually somebody who's
in their late sixties actually needs more protein than somebody
who's maybe like mid twenties, because you need that protein

(01:13:41):
to help with muscle repair. If you're doing all the
strength training and not getting the right nutrition in, you're
not going to get the right recovery for rebuilding and
rebonding those muscle repairs of the fibers, and then you
won't get the same strength. So making sure you're getting
protein at each meal, and it doesn't mean you need
to live on protein shakes, but instead you can just

(01:14:01):
eat more protein rich food, which could be eggs, could
be meat. Meat is super high in protein, whether it's meat, fish, chicken, sardines,
you know, anything that has that high protein food as
well as your plant based proteins, which might be beans,
lentils in amami, beans, bringing those into your food and

(01:14:23):
bringing it in at each meal and that'll help you
maybe get enough across the day through just dividing it
into each meal and also just working into.

Speaker 3 (01:14:32):
Like what your weight is.

Speaker 9 (01:14:34):
I'd usually based on a minimum for protein of one
gram of protein per one ke lo of body weight,
but actually more you could even go up to two
grams of protein per kilo of body weight, and that'll
make sure you're getting enough protein and to actually help
support that repair.

Speaker 3 (01:14:50):
Thank you so much, erin this is something I'm quite
passionate about. We've done a couple of episodes in this
on the Little Things. Doctor Stacy Simms did a fantastic
podcast with us and our first series absolutely worth listening to,
and personal trainer kyro Seller will talk you through how
you can kick a to this and start this at home.
It is a five to eleven.

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Speaker 3 (01:15:18):
New York best seller moore In Callaghan is with me next.
She's written the book about the Kennedy Men and the
way they've treated the women in her life. The families
generation long legacy of murdering, mayhem and chaos and the
women who've paid the price for it with their obsession
with Camelot. It's a really fabulous book. Maureen is also
a very interesting author and she's got some great stories

(01:15:40):
to tell, so she is coming up next here on Newstalksbmember.

Speaker 18 (01:15:46):
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Speaker 1 (01:16:15):
Welcome to the Sunday session with Francesca Rudkin and Wiggles
for the best selection of great reeds used.

Speaker 3 (01:16:22):
To coming up versus our Jason Pine tauts us through
the America's Cup and how that competition just got so complicated.
We are going to talk about sir John that is
seeking one hundred percent government funding from twenty twenty six

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in our panel, and also Megan Singleton is just reminding
us that when we go traveling, it is very important
to check the fine print in our insurance right. For decades,
the Kennedys have been a family of influence in America,
a name aligned with wealth, power and intiquity. But behind
this constructed public facade is a much darker story. In

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an eye opening new book, American journalist Maureen Callahan has
looked at the legacy of the Kennedy Men, a story
of ruined lives, scandal, misogyny, exploitation, and abuse towards the
women in their lives. Maureen's new book was called Ask
Not the Kennedy's and the Women They Destroyed. Maureen Callahan
joins me, Now, thank you so much for your time, Loureen.

Speaker 4 (01:17:30):
Thank you so much for invading me.

Speaker 10 (01:17:31):
France Asca, I'm so happy to talk to you.

Speaker 3 (01:17:34):
You speak about how the Kennedys have been able to
assert their influence in order to control their own narrative,
to control their own story, and over the decades they
have definitely tried to quieten those who offer a different perspective.
So my first question to you is did anyone try
to influence you or or stop this book.

Speaker 10 (01:17:58):
Well, not in the way you might think. I actually
had trouble with my public. Sure, my previous book had
done very very well for them. It actually still does
very well for them, and they said to me, whatever
you want to do next, we're going to publish it.

Speaker 4 (01:18:17):
I said, great, here's.

Speaker 10 (01:18:18):
What I'm going to do next, and they vanished, They
went quiet. We later found out they were cutting a
backroom deal with Kennedy cousin Maria Shriver to give her
her own imprint. Flash forward to now, and I've been
told that major American news networks, outlets, what have.

Speaker 4 (01:18:42):
You, will not be touching this book.

Speaker 10 (01:18:44):
They don't want to upset the Kennedys, or they employ Kennedy's,
or they don't want to have a hand in what
they would see as ratifying a book like this that
is actually telling the truth about these women and what
was done to them. But nonetheless, the book has really thrived,
and I think that is a testament to the stories

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of these women and their power and the resonance they're having.
I'm hearing from readers all the time, and it's just
having a life, which is great.

Speaker 3 (01:19:18):
Were people open to talking to you about the Kennedy
women and men for that matter, It was there were
a bit of a sense amongst people who know them
or knew them that actually, now is the time to
tell these stories.

Speaker 4 (01:19:32):
Yeah, for the most part.

Speaker 10 (01:19:34):
Yes, Carolyn Bessett's friends, who had long had like this
cone of silence, decided now was time to talk. Let's see.
Mary Jokopackney's family spoke with me. Martha Maxley's Mary Richardson,
who committed suicide she was married to Robert F.

Speaker 4 (01:19:56):
Kennedy Junior.

Speaker 10 (01:19:57):
Her lawyer spoke to me, her psychotherapist spoke to me,
a very good friend spoke to me, and they all
said they felt it was very important that the American
people know who they were dealing with when it came
to RFK Junior.

Speaker 3 (01:20:14):
And look, I'll touch on that now because I in
the last story I heard Maureen was some crazy story
about finding a beer cap on the side of the road,
bringing it to New York, putting it in Central Park
under a bicycle, and I was sort of listening to this, going, oh,
my goodness, this is just crazy, and I was thinking
to myself, how far have the Kennedy's fallen?

Speaker 4 (01:20:36):
How far? Indeed? But this is the thing, Francesca.

Speaker 10 (01:20:39):
People have been rightly very upset and disturbed by RFK
Junior's treatment of wild animals, which is I think quite sick.
But when it comes to the wife who he gaslet, tormented,
drove to suicide, in my opinion, buried with great fanfare

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up in the Kennedy family plot, and then one week later,
secretly and without the proper permitting, had her coffin disinterred
in the middle of the night and had her coffin
reburied seven hundred feet away on the side of a
hill alone. He still is unbothered by questions about what

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he did to his ex wife and what it is
he really.

Speaker 4 (01:21:24):
Thinks of women.

Speaker 3 (01:21:27):
Since we're talking about Mary Richardson Kennedy, it's a good time,
I think to ask the question what does it mean
to be a Kennedy wife? And what is expected of them?
And I suppose what happens to them if they can't fulfill?

Speaker 4 (01:21:41):
Oh, it's such a.

Speaker 10 (01:21:43):
Great question, Francesca, And it's frankly, it's brutal. I wrote
ask not like a novel, because these women I wanted
the readers to be in their heads and their hearts
as they go through these relationships and experiences. One of
my favorite examples of this, and is the most one

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of the more recent ones, is Carolyn Bassett, who when
she married JFK. Junior, the entire world coronated her as
America's next princess. She had won the prize, she had
landed the white whale of bachelor's and she gets behind
the curtain and it's a freaking misery. Not only is

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he lazy, not bright, entitled, never coming home when he
says he's coming home. But this guy has a death
wish that I can't think of anybody else who comes
to mind. Who is that prominent who nearly not only
lost his life multiple times, but had a habit of
bullying the women in his life to come along with

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him on these reckless adventures. Just a little tidbit for
your audience and a hint of just the level of
detail that is in us. Not on the night JFK
Junior crashed that flight, that plane, killing him, his wife
and her sister, he almost crashed into a packed American

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Airlines commercial jetliner making its descent to JFK International Airport
in New York.

Speaker 3 (01:23:20):
You know, you have to ask yourself the question. It
was a misery for so many of them, So why
did they stay?

Speaker 10 (01:23:27):
You know, it's like golden handcuffs, you know, the jobs
that people You get a nice paycheck and you're miserable,
but you can't break free of it. These women find
themselves living in an alternate reality. And Jackie would often
say this, like she would look at the coverage of
herself in tabloids and say, like, let's see what she's

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up to today, Because that wasn't her. But there's something
that is conferred upon you when you marry an alpha Kennedy.
You must be the most beautiful, the smartest, the most charismatic.
And often these women are indeed that. But what the
Kennedy men and the Kennedy machine like to do is

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strip the women of their power, of their greatness. It
seems to evoke a seething resentment in them.

Speaker 4 (01:24:23):
You know, it's it is. It is a lonely club,
that of the Kennedy wives.

Speaker 3 (01:24:28):
When it comes to how they treated the women, I
thought you came up with a really simple but very
good description of it. And you see that they just
after thoughts. They just traded them like afterthoughts.

Speaker 10 (01:24:42):
They really did they unless you need them for campaigning
or you know. Like one of the great things I
learned about the Kennedy men, especially in the middle of
the last American century, was how much they relied on
women's mass media to domesticate themselves for the female voter.

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It's like, so the wives are really import they're key players,
but when they begin to assert their own needs and wants,
or maybe even their own independence, that's when they become inconvenient.

Speaker 4 (01:25:17):
And that's when they have to be done away with.

Speaker 3 (01:25:20):
A lot of names that we will know in this
book and be very familiar with, but there are also
a few that might not be so familiar. Wondering if
you can tell us a little bit about Mimi and
uh Diana.

Speaker 4 (01:25:32):
Oh, my god, Mimi and Diana.

Speaker 10 (01:25:35):
Well, Mimi was a nineteen year old virgin when she
started working in the secretarial pool of JFK's White House,
and at the end of her first day, she finds
herself invited up to the private residence where she served
a bunch of dakris. The President of the United States

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appears at her side, invites her for a tour, throws
her down on Jackie's bed. Jackie's away. Within three minutes,
he's taken her virginity. She still does not know how
to describe this. I would describe it as rape. Three
days later, she's back in the White House and is

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now invited to join the President for one of his
afternoon swims in the White House pool, at which point
JFK says to Mimi, you need to go relax, my
aid sitting at the lip of the pool, and Mimi
knows what this means, and to her great shame, she
goes and performs oral sex on this guy while JFK
silently watches. This stuff needs to be part of our

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reconsideration of JFK's presidency and the family on the whole.

Speaker 4 (01:26:47):
I strongly believe.

Speaker 3 (01:26:49):
You actually begin to won to morning when he got
any work done. And between the swims and the sex
and the holidays and the sleeps and everything you got
lift God, we didn't do any work. The book doesn't
just give voice to the women in these Means lives,
but it speaks to the character of these Kennedy mean
and there have been so many myths and so many
sort of generalized perceptions about them. I think over the years,

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did you discover anything new or reveal you know? Were
you surprised by what you sort of heard or discovered
about the men?

Speaker 10 (01:27:24):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (01:27:24):
I was, I was.

Speaker 5 (01:27:26):
I was.

Speaker 10 (01:27:27):
I was surprised by JFK Junior's callousness and his what
I really think was a level of rage towards women.

Speaker 7 (01:27:37):
I was.

Speaker 10 (01:27:38):
I was surprised by the sadism, frankly exhibited by both
JFK and his brother Robert F.

Speaker 4 (01:27:46):
Kennedy.

Speaker 10 (01:27:47):
And that really is most visible in the Marilyn Monroe chapters,
they treated her.

Speaker 4 (01:27:55):
They were they basically were out to destroy her.

Speaker 10 (01:27:58):
They were both involved with her sexually at the same
time in writing the chapters about Joan Kennedy and Mary Jokopak, me,
the Kennedy man who links down is Ted.

Speaker 4 (01:28:10):
And you know, while I was writing.

Speaker 10 (01:28:11):
This book, these doorstopper biographies were coming out in America
about Ted Kennedy, with these hyperbolic titles like catching the wind,
against the wind. I'm sorry, this is a man who
left a twenty nine year old woman to die in
three feet of water. She died a slow, agonizing, wholly
preventable death.

Speaker 4 (01:28:32):
She could have been saved. In the book, there is
also a very vivid scene.

Speaker 10 (01:28:36):
Of Ted violently sexually assaulting a waitress at a very
popular DC establishment in broad daylight. And we are lionizing
this man to this day. Are you kidding me?

Speaker 3 (01:28:49):
What is the Kennedy legacy now? Has it changed over time?
Is the family still thought of as a sort of
a political passinger in America?

Speaker 4 (01:29:01):
You know, when I began writing this book, I did
think so.

Speaker 10 (01:29:03):
And I think there's a very interesting conflict's happening right now.
And I'm very humble and proud to be a part
of it, this book which is opening up a lot
of eyes, and this sad, chambolic, depressing presidential campaign being
run by Robert F. Kennedy Junior, who is putting that

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it couldn't happen to a better legacy. It's being eaten
by its own tail, putting the nail in the coffin
of this supposed greatness. We are now seeing fully this
family getting it's just desserts.

Speaker 3 (01:29:42):
I also just want to mention before we finish, Maureen,
you know, the one thing I really enjoyed about the
book is that you make the point there is no
perfect victim, Like you're not painting, you're not trying to
portray the women in anything more than who they really were,
and that's not necessarily always a victim will always positive.
And I appreciated that there was a great balance to
the book.

Speaker 4 (01:30:03):
Thanks Francesca.

Speaker 10 (01:30:04):
I mean, I'll say it was real helped by weirdly,
or maybe not. When Harvey Weinstein was convicted of rape
in New York, that was a really bracing moment because
he was found guilty by a jury that was composed
of more men than women, by a jury that heard
very complicated testimony from women who were alleging brutal rape

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and then admitting that afterward they had maintained friendly relationships
with Harvey. And I thought, oh my God, like the culture,
we have grown up, we are mature, we are ready
for these stories of these women. And they get to
be complicated and messy and sometimes unlikable. They get to
be greedy and to want fame and money, but that

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doesn't mean that they deserved any of what happened to them.

Speaker 3 (01:30:53):
I love it. Thank you so much for your time, Wreen,
love you to meet you, and thank you very much
for the book.

Speaker 4 (01:30:59):
Thank you, Franjaska. Lovely to meet you.

Speaker 3 (01:31:01):
And that was journalist Maureen Callaghan who book Ask Not
To the Kennedys and the Women They Justid is in
stores now. Twenty one past eleven news talks ATB What.

Speaker 1 (01:31:10):
Sunday with Style, The Sunday Session with Francesca Rudkin and
Wiggles for the best selection of Greg Reeds news talks EBB.

Speaker 3 (01:31:22):
These talks at be time for our panel now. In
joining me this morning, we have Coast to Day host
Lorna Riley. Good morning, Laurna.

Speaker 11 (01:31:28):
Yelda Hi, and we also have.

Speaker 3 (01:31:30):
Senior pr consulted at one plus one Communications. Damien Venuto,
Good morning, Damien, good morning. Good to have you both
with us. Hey, are this morning really interesting? Comic made
by Saint John, who of course had Rolling Strikes in
play yesterday. They are currently negotiating their latest pay rounds

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and things. They said that they will be seeking more
funding from the government in twenty twenty six and moving
towards one hundred percent operational funding rather than relying on
donations to pay its bills, and at present about eighty
three percent is tax payer funded. Gosh, we have this
conversation lot, don't we, Launa, And at the point now
whereby you know, quite an important service, maybe just get on.

Speaker 11 (01:32:11):
And funder extremely important service. And Yeah, to me it
seems a bit of a no brainer. I mean, I
know it's always about cost, but why shouldn't such a
fundamental service be funded. I know there's a lot of
callouts that maybe aren't emergencies and maybe don't need to happen,
so I guess there's got to be some you know,
stringent measures put in place. But I think it gob

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snakes a lot of people to realize that it's not
a fully funded service. You know, a lot of New Zealanders,
I think it's still learning that it's not and it
surprises them.

Speaker 3 (01:32:41):
Damian. Do you think if they went to be fully
funded then you would just use the user pays for
those sort of services that Laura was talking about, whether
it's transfers and things like that.

Speaker 19 (01:32:50):
The the thing with us that I've always been struck
by is that you I understand that any country has
like a finite pool of money that can be put
towards different things within the country, but I've always always
found that things like the ambulance and certain drugs that
just needed be funded. I feel like we should just
bite the bullet and make that funding because they are
just too many lives that are at risk here. So

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I'm really really in favor of making a decision. I
don't think it's politically dangerous to say that our ambulance
should be our ambulance service should be covered fully by
the government. I think that that that's a decision that
we really need to get to the point where it
should be made. I mean, there, we're eighty five percent there,
that the fact that the ambulance services are spending the

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other fourteen percent of their time, true, desperately trying to
get funding through charitable New Zealanders. I just don't think
that's good enough for New Zealand. I think that we
really need as a country, we need to make a
decision on that.

Speaker 3 (01:33:45):
At least it will it will put an end, hopefully
to all the conversations about their pay and things like that.
It just feels like it's ongoing all the time, isn't it.

Speaker 11 (01:33:56):
Oh yeah, yeah, absolutely, And I don't think anyone begrudges
them the action that they've taken in the last few days.
But yeah, no, we've got it. We've got a bite
the bullet, I think is Damien season, just just fund it.

Speaker 3 (01:34:10):
Okay, Moving on to the fairies, another issue which has
been very much at the forefront of conversations. As you know,
we were constantly receiving press releases about fairies being in
and out of action for a little bit longer Damien.
This was a really interesting poll. They said do you
think the government made the right or wrong decision to
cancel the replacement into Islander cook straight fairies? And this

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was in the one News variant poll. Fifty one of
the respondent said it was the wrong decision. A quarter
to twenty six said it was about the right decision
and just under a court twenty two didn't. No, I
wouldn't say I'm not hugely surprised by that, are you.

Speaker 7 (01:34:47):
No, not at all.

Speaker 19 (01:34:49):
I actually love this topic because it comes down to
this thing called the planning fallacy, which you see between
contractors and governments all the time. So Daniel Carneman, he's
a Nobel Prize winning economists, He's written extensively on this.
And there was actually this great reference that I read recently,
and it was about the Edinburgh the Scottish Parliament building

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in Edinburgh. So the initial budget for that was forty
million pounds and then it shot up to one hundred
million by like two years later. By the time it
was built, it was three hundred and seventy five point
eight million pounds. And so it kind of gives you
an indication of how these projects will blow out enormously.
And that's really the problem. He has an infrastructure, the

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piece of infrastructure that we need.

Speaker 2 (01:35:33):
The question is.

Speaker 19 (01:35:34):
Are we paying too much for it? And I'm not
surprised that people are like, we really need this infrastructure,
But then you do have the people kind of question
whether we've maybe overspent. But the reality is with all
these big projects, they generally blow out because you have
contractors who make promises that they can't necessarily keep, and
you have governments that are overly optimistic about how much
they should be spending for something, and as it progresses,
they're like, oh, I don't know, we probably need this,

(01:35:55):
we probably need this.

Speaker 2 (01:35:56):
So you have all these things.

Speaker 7 (01:35:57):
Adding on top of it.

Speaker 19 (01:35:58):
So the planning fallacy, it's one of the things that
I find most fascinating about that relationship between contractors and
the government.

Speaker 3 (01:36:05):
But also, wasn't the gap here the lorna to do
with the fact here we have these mega theories coming in,
but we actually haven't really thought about the land side
infrastructure that's going to be needed in order to service
Because I actually I was like, yeah, let's get on
with it. Let's get these theories in place. This is
State Highway one. Let's just move forward. Come on, guys.
And then it was like, oh, sorry, what so as

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someone hasn't thought about, you know, how it's going to
burst or where it's going to you know.

Speaker 11 (01:36:29):
Yeah, we've actually got to do the port development as well.
But we actually do need to do that and I
think that the Pole was really asking the wrong question,
because it's not whether we want the mega ferries or
we don't want the mega feries, do we.

Speaker 3 (01:36:41):
Want a bit of service.

Speaker 11 (01:36:43):
We just need to know what is happening, because you know,
the government made the rather shop decision last December that
they were going to cancel this. The last I heard
at the end of June, I think they were still
trying to exit the contract. It was looking like it
was going to be half a billion dollars to exit,
but I don't know whether that's all being concluded. There
were so many things to work through with lawyers and

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what have you. And meantime you've got it's like Picton,
who's you know, very livelihood depends on this. You've got
the entire transport industry saying, okay, cancel the mega fery
or don't cancel the mega feries, but what the hell
is happening? And meantime, our inter island the service is
just well embarrassing, isn't it well?

Speaker 3 (01:37:20):
And the problem is and isn't damon that every time
there is a problem with and Irelander, you know they're
going to be pointing the finger right back at the
at the coalition government going well, what's your plan? What
would you like to talk about it?

Speaker 19 (01:37:30):
You know, the interesting thing in that that Daniel Carneman
reference that I just made was that very rarely do
government's back out once costs do blow out because they
realize that they just need to get it done. So
contractors kind of like also take advantage of that where
they know that they can get a budget signed off
knowing that it's very very rare for a government to

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actually just back out because of the political risk that
comes with backing up. In this instance, the government is
sending quite a clear message that look, if but these
budgets line is going to blow out, we're not going
to do it, which is an interesting precedent to set.

Speaker 7 (01:38:03):
So do you yea?

Speaker 3 (01:38:04):
Is it's that whole thing laurna? Do you throw good
money after bad? I think that you know, last is
having that conversation with the cathedral. At the moment, we've
spent so much, but with the.

Speaker 11 (01:38:12):
Cost of not throwing good money after is half a
billion dollars, then you've got to kind of go okay,
and god knows how long the delay you know, is
going to be as well.

Speaker 3 (01:38:21):
So now I don't want. I don't want to offend
anybody who has previously appeared on Celebrity Treasure Island, but
can I can I just say? I mean, I got
flipped through the lineup of celebrities who are going to
be appearing on the next show, and I was really impressed. Lauder,

(01:38:43):
it's really actually an interesting collection of people.

Speaker 11 (01:38:48):
Is a really good Yeah, James Walliston, can't wait to
see him, Susan Paul very exciting. I had Actually I've
got a disclaimer. There was whispers that I might be
approached to represent the Breast Cancer Foundation on the program,
and I was terrified because I thought if they asked me,
I'm going to have to say yes, and I don't

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want to because it looks really hard.

Speaker 3 (01:39:11):
You've just blown it, You're just blown it. There's someone
out there now running this down for next year, going oh.

Speaker 11 (01:39:15):
Right, not happening. Oh god no. Anyway, I was surprised though,
to see Carmel Seppoloni on there.

Speaker 3 (01:39:24):
And that's what I'd love to discuss.

Speaker 13 (01:39:26):
Yes, m.

Speaker 3 (01:39:28):
I mean yes, is it appropriate? The question is is
it appropriate for a sitting MP to have the time
to go off and compete on please?

Speaker 11 (01:39:37):
Because I think absolutely not. I don't think it's appropriate
at all. I think the clues and the title Celebrity
Treasure Island, and people can debate whether these people are
celebrities or not celebrities, but I think we can all
agree our MP's should not be celebrities. That is not
what the taxpayer is paying them for. Now. I understand
that Carmel Seppoloni has got you know, agreement with Chris

(01:39:57):
Hipkins that she can do it. She continues to be
paid because you can't take leave without pay, and she's
going to donate that pay to her charity, which is
all very noble, but that's not the point. The point
is she is employed to do a job representing the
taxpayer and going off and doing Celebrity Treasure Island for
a pit cause, which is a very good cause, but

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it's not it's not what our MP's are there for
a talent fee that she gets paid why, you know,
I don't. I don't think mp should be last as
celebrities at all, and I think it's a dangerous president.

Speaker 3 (01:40:33):
I think Lorna has some very good points there, Damien,
but I'm kind of curious to see.

Speaker 12 (01:40:37):
Her on it.

Speaker 19 (01:40:38):
I you know, the thing is like, as always, look
at these politicians, someone like are you serious? People like
are you do you take this off?

Speaker 2 (01:40:45):
Seriously? Like what are you doing?

Speaker 7 (01:40:47):
It doesn't I can't.

Speaker 19 (01:40:48):
I can't imagine a partner at a major law firm
taking some time out to go and appear on celebrity
for Treasure Island. It just doesn't make sense to me.
It makes no sense to me whatsoever.

Speaker 11 (01:41:01):
And you're not talking about, you know, a backbench MP
riter you know, you're talking about the deputy leader of
the oppos And yeah, no, I think it's it's nuts.

Speaker 3 (01:41:10):
Thank you both very much for your contribution this morning.
I appreciate it. Here's a funny story about Treasure Island
or Celebrity Treasure Island. I was working in TV around
two thousand and they were thinking about doing the first show,
and this is how not with it. I was was
with the way television and the direction that it was going.
And they said to me in a meeting one day,
they said, oh, hey, look, hey, would you love to

(01:41:31):
go to like, you know, Fiji and go to an
island and run around into all these sort of little
things with other celebrities and stuff. And I was just like,
oh what you mean run around a bikini on an
island with a whole of others. Goodness gracious, And I
couldn't think of anything worse. I thought that they were
just doing a I thought it was a joke. I
didn't actually realize that they were actually planning to make

(01:41:51):
this show. So I just was basically sat there in
a meeting was sort of top tv SD executives just
laughing at them, going, that just sounds the most appalling
idea for a TV show. I couldn't think of anything worse.
It turns out it's been quite a successful show. Anyway.
I'm quite excited about this lineup. I'll be back watching.
Won't be competing, but don't be watching twenty four to
twelve news Dogs.

Speaker 11 (01:42:12):
They'd be.

Speaker 1 (01:42:16):
It's the Sunday session with Francesca Rudkin on News Dogs
at b.

Speaker 3 (01:42:21):
Coming up at midday is Jason Pine with Weekend Sport,
and he joins me, now, good morning, good morning. What
do you get on the show? Quite a bit.

Speaker 20 (01:42:28):
Actually we're jumping around all over the place. America's Cup
preliminary regatta taking place in Barcelona. Of course, well the
this is the preliminary. Louis Verton Regatta before the Louis
Vaton to find out who faces Team New Zealand and
the America's Cup match. So it's it's quite long winded,
but quite keen to sort of give the whole thing
a bit of a preview and how do we best

(01:42:50):
connect with something that's happening twelve thousand miles away in
the middle of our night. So I'm quite keen to
chat some America's Cup. Jarnick Cinner, the world's number one
tennis player, this week cleared of steroid use. He has
found a have a billionth of a gram of a
band anabolic steroid in his system earlier this year, and

(01:43:12):
as it turns out, it was because his physio had
taken a spray for a cut on his own finger
and then massaged Janick center and had transferred the anabolic
steroid across. So this seems like a kind of a
weird one to me, So I want to break that
down with David Howman from former WADA Director General and
the Paralympics. Look, I had a great chab with Anna

(01:43:33):
Grimaldi yesterday. This afternoon, Neilam O'Neill, the first parachuter or
first female paraschuoter, for us in forty years and the
first ever in the pistol, so she's going to join us.
And lots of other bits and pieces as well.

Speaker 3 (01:43:46):
Look, I'm really glad to talking about the America's Cup
because when someone said to me throughout the week, oh,
you know, it kind of kicks off this week, and
I went, what does it? But I'm finding it quite intriguing,
So you know, I was like a lot of people
disappointed it went off. Sure, but I'm going to be
honest with you, after watching a couple of mornings worth
of you know, watching the races and things. Barcelona could

(01:44:07):
be a great venue when the winter's blowing. We're getting
good races, consistent, you know, like there's nothing worse, and
just sort of watching, you know, boats float around on
the y and the Gulf going nowhere. So I'm kind
of a bit drawn in. I'm going, all right, okay,
these could be exciting races. But my memory of the

(01:44:27):
America's Cap Pinety is in my I used to watch
with my dad all the time was you sat down,
you watch a challenges series and then you watch that
challenger and the America's Cup with the defender right and
the big jeopardy would be who's got the better boat,
who's you know, who's more ready for this? And yet
we're about to watch Emirates Team New Zealand sal against everybody,

(01:44:50):
not just in a preliminary regatta, but then they're also
joining in and the Challengers Cup early rounds, and then
we're finally going to get I'm like, well, hang on,
we're gonna know these boats, We're gonna know who's got
the best boat. It's all gonna come down to the start.
Are we losing part of the jeopardy, a part of
the excitement of it by being so knowledgeable, knowledgeable about

(01:45:13):
these boats before and these teams before we even get
to the final.

Speaker 20 (01:45:16):
It's a great point. It's a great point. And Team
New Zealand have done the rules this way. They're they're
the defender. They can write the rules as long as
you know, the challenger of record agrees. So they've clearly
decided that racing in the Louis Vuton, even though it
doesn't get them many points or anything, obviously, because bere
the defender, it will give them the opportunity for two things,
to have a look at their opposition and to race
their boat. Because I think in the last America's Cup

(01:45:38):
and the White tomuch To Harbor they didn't do that,
and when they came in into the America's Cup match itself,
they were a little bit rusty to start with. They've
just been racing against their chase boat and in the simulator.
So they've clearly taken the learning the lessons at that
word the lessons from that and said right this time,
we're going to actually race our boat as often as
we can. I think you're right, though it does take

(01:45:58):
away a little bit of the intrigue as that we'll
probably know fairly early on in the Louis Vuitton whether
there's anybody who's going to be up to beating Team US,
whereas we wouldn't have known that if Team New Zealand
weren't in the Louis Vuitton.

Speaker 3 (01:46:10):
So yeah, let's have a chat about that this afternoon.
Thanks Piney. Piney will be with you at midday.

Speaker 1 (01:46:16):
Sunday with Style the Sunday Session with Francesca Rudkin and
Windles for the best selection of great Reads news, talk
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Speaker 2 (01:46:29):
Around the World.

Speaker 3 (01:46:32):
Meghan Singleton is with us now.

Speaker 21 (01:46:34):
Good morning, Good morning Francesca.

Speaker 3 (01:46:36):
Hey. My heart goes out to the woman and her
family who was injured after a scooter accident recently while
on holiday. A really traumatic event for them to have
to deal with. But actually just a gentle reminder to
us all about you know, checking the fine print and
our insurance policies. Yeah.

Speaker 21 (01:46:59):
No, it was a horrible story this week that I
saw in the paper. Kiwi woman from christ Church. She
came off her scooter in Bali and unless you are
a licensed motorcycle rider, you should not ride a motorcycle
over fifty ccs and your insurance won't cover you for
riding a bike over fifty cecs. Unfortunately that bike was
one hundred and twenty five CC's. She's got a collapsed lung,

(01:47:22):
she's had surgery, she's got more to come. They've got
to figure out how to get to her home. So
I actually went online and looking at all of the
quick quotes that you can get from their insurance companies,
and it's really hard to find, to be honest, how
to add these extras. So Leah, just a little reminder
and if you're you know, relying on your bank credit

(01:47:43):
card to cover you for your travel insurance triple check
that you've got these little extras covered. Even a cruise
needs to be covered separately, certainly motor scooters and any
extreme activities. So they've set up and give a little page.
It's called help Amanda Recover from a tragic scooter accident.
I'm sure you could just do help Amanda and you'd

(01:48:04):
find it. Yeah, they just need some cash, and I
just thought, well, let's try and make this little segment work.
If your listeners can spare a dollar and help this
poor woman who just had no idea that riding that
scooter and bali would lead to such disaster for her.

Speaker 3 (01:48:20):
It feels it's so easy these days to go online
and get insurance for anything, right. Yeah, but I think
if you know where you're going, you know the kind
of travel you're going to be doing, and the possible
you know, like if you are in Indonesia, you're probably thinking, yeah, no,
we probably will get on a scooter at some point
we do this. Yeah, you want to be able to
call a person and say this is my holiday, these
are the things I'm going to do all good yes,

(01:48:41):
and actually you know, and have a conversation and say, oh, actually,
I'm going off here to sale, or I'm going off
here to climb this, or I'm going off here to
ride my bike, you know, do a cycle. It seems
like you want to be able to it's worth while
finding someone to talk to and I'm going to do well, that's.

Speaker 21 (01:48:56):
Where yeah, and that's where your travel agent yeah yeah, yeah.
Use you ask your travel agent all of that when
they're booking your flights. But if you're doing it yourself,
you've got to you, as you say, be really diligent
and ask those questions and try and find them. It
is really hard. I even went into the exclusions just
before and I couldn't find anything that said motorbikes over

(01:49:17):
fifty cs is not at a quick glance anyway. You
have to really delve science.

Speaker 3 (01:49:21):
Oh no, really, nice reminder and thank you for sharing that, Megan.
You can find Megan at blogger at large dot com.
Twelve to twelve.

Speaker 1 (01:49:30):
Books with Wiggles for the best selection of great reads.

Speaker 3 (01:49:35):
Time to Talk Books, and Joan Mackenzie joins me. Now,
good morning, good morning. We have got a couple of
brand new books from some very popular authors which will
make the fans happy each well, start with Jody Pico. Yeah,
let's do that.

Speaker 22 (01:49:49):
It's that time of year when the big brands are
putting out their box and we're seeing some really good
stuff come through. This is JODI's twenty ninth book, and
she has a reputation for building stories around moral dilemmas,
and this one really is quite a departure from that,
and for me, it's the best one that she's done
in a very long time. She writes about the premise
of the book really is that women very often struggle

(01:50:11):
to have their voices heard, and specifically in this book,
which is written across two timelines, there's the sixteenth century
and there's modern day. She says that Shakespeare did not
write his plays, that there was a woman called Emilia
Bassano who wrote the plays and sold them to Shakespeare
because she was unable to get her voice heard and

(01:50:32):
nobody would have believed that she was capable of doing it,
so she sold them to Shakespeare, who made an awful
lot of money out of it. Now, the way that
she puts her case is very interesting. This book is
very well researched, and she says that Shakespeare's daughters, for instance,
could never read or write they could only sign their
names with a cross. But there were women in his
plays who was strong and powerful and intelligent and very

(01:50:55):
well informed. He set Hamlet in Denmark, and part of
that was a really good description of the palace in Denmark.
He never went to Denmark, but she did. He set plays,
and he never went to Italy. He didn't travel, but
she did. And so Jodie's built this case where she
says that Amelia Bassano wrote those plays and some of

(01:51:15):
his poems and some of his sonnets. Now in the
modern day, there's a descendant of Amelia Bosano. Her name
is Melina Green, and she's written a play which she
wants to get onto the stage, and a theater festival
plans to put it on, but they're under the assumption
that it was written by her friend and roommate who's
a black man. So he gets all the credit for

(01:51:38):
this play that goes onto the stage in New York
on the back of the Shakespeare story about how again,
as I said, women struggle to get cut through. It's
very well researched and really well done, and to my
great surprise, I really enjoyed it.

Speaker 3 (01:51:55):
Twenty nine books and still coming up with novel subject matter. Yeah,
you know, yeah, incredible and Lee Child is back, Yes
he is.

Speaker 22 (01:52:05):
Lee Child, of course, is best known for the Jack
Reacher's stories, and I will hasten to say immediately that
there is a new one coming later in the year. This, though,
is the first book he's written for three years entirely
under his own name, because the Reacher stories now are
co written with his brother. This is called safe Enough,
and it's twenty short stories. And I know a lot
of people kind of you know, they say they don't

(01:52:27):
like short stories. In fact, Lee himself says in the
introduction that his best short story has made significantly less
money than his worst ever Jack Reacher novel, that it's
very difficult to get people to read them, but he
really enjoys the process and reading these, you can tell
that it's by someone who may well have also done
Reacher because most of the narrators in his stories are

(01:52:51):
unreconstructed men. A lot of these are written in the
first person. They're really easy to pick up and put
down because they range from somewhere between seven pages to
a story through to about twenty three so it's an easy,
easy read. And I think the way that he's devised
his plots in these very few pages is really clever

(01:53:12):
and really well done. And if there's a Jackreacher fan
listening to this, or someone whose dad is a Jackreacher fan,
I think this would be perfect for Father's Day. And
I must just say I don't think we mentioned the
name of the Jodipeco novel oh from the beginning by.

Speaker 3 (01:53:26):
Any other name?

Speaker 14 (01:53:27):
Correct?

Speaker 3 (01:53:28):
Okay? And I will repeat that Jodi Pico by any
other name was the name of the book. And safe
enough by Lee Child A good option there for Father's Day.
Thanks John, see you next week.

Speaker 2 (01:53:39):
Keep it simple. It's Sunday the Sunday.

Speaker 1 (01:53:42):
Session with Francesca Rudkin and Wiggles for the best selection
of Greg Bres news talk ZEDB.

Speaker 3 (01:53:48):
Thank you so much for joining me this morning on
the Sunday session. Of course, you can find all our
interviews and information at newstalkzb dot co dot mz Ford
slash Sunday. Thank you to Kerry for producing the show.
And Jason Pine is rip rowing and ready to go
with weekend sport coming up next here at midday. Going
to end with a little of music from Broodes Georgia
not She's gone solo. She is releasing an EP as

(01:54:10):
Georgia gets By. She's going to be with me on
the show next week, and Jennifer Wardley lind and Michael
Hurst are going to also be with me on their
moving new theater project and other words. Hey, enjoy the
rest of your Sunday afternoon, Okayed. Next Sunday, take care.

Speaker 1 (01:55:05):
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