Full Show Podcast: 1 September 2024

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Speaker 1 (00:06):
You're listening to the Sunday Session podcast with Francesca Rudkin
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Speaker 2 (00:30):
Good morning, I'm Rotisca Rudkin. Welcome to the Sunday Session
on the first of September. If you follow the metaphological
calendar for the seasons, welcome to spring, and what a
welcome it has been. I was woken up just after
two this morning by a fabulous thunderstorm rolling over Auckland,
and I thought to myself, it's almost kickoff time, and

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curiosity got the better of me. So I got up
and I watched the first half of the All Black
South Africa Test, and then I thought I'd better go
back to bed at halftime. I've got a bit work
by seven. But then once again, curiosity got the better
of me. Because the All Black we're playing so well,
I just had to know how it ended. So I
ended up watching the full game and now it feels
like lunchtime. But never mind, what a game. A spoiler

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alert for those of you yet to watch the three
am record blockiars very quickly the All Black's Lost thirty
one twenty seven. Elliot Smith will be with us with
a game review shortly. Also on the show, we have
Entertainment Royalty joining us throughout the morning. After ten, Georgia
not from Brudes, is with us to talk about her
new solo project and EP. Brudes haven't ended, but Georgia

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is branching out and trying something new, which is very exciting,
and we're going to play you some of her new
music as well. And after eleven, Michael Hurst and Jennifer
Woodland and joined me to talk about their new project,
which sees them together on the stage alone for the
first time in twenty two years. Theirs is a beautiful
love story and the new play is also a beautiful
and moving love story about a couple dealing with Alzheimer's.

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Michael and Jennifer would join me just after eleven, and
as usual, you're most welcome to text me throughout morning
ninety two ninety two.

Speaker 3 (02:09):
For a Sunday session.

Speaker 2 (02:12):
So I had a bit of a reality check this week.
As you may have gathered, I love to do a
bit of running. It's more plodding. I especially love plodding
on trails in the bush. And this year I've been
struggling with a knee, a dodgy knee which has turned
out to be a dodgy hamstring issue. It's nothing major,
but annoying enough to stop me from being able to

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train the way I normally do for a fast, fast
packing trip I do each November. And I'm a little
bit fed up with it all. But recently I watched
Grit and Glory The Road to the Paralympics, the TVNZ
Plus documentary that follows six Kiwi Paralympians in their lead
up to Paris. Needless to say, I gave myself a

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little talking to. If you want some perspective on life,
I suggest watching this documentary. What an extraordinary group of athletes,
What an extraordinary group of peace. What you get in
the stocko are stories about sports people attempting to qualify
to compete against the best in the world. You also

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get these personal stories about living with the disability. Track
stars Anna Grimaldi and Mitch Joint, swimmers Cameron Leslie and
Tupu Nofu, and cyclists Nicole Murray and Devon Briggs are
honest and revealing narrators. They're sports people. Not sports people
we know often have good stories, but the resilience of

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these paralympians is something else. Their proof disabilities should never
stop people pursuing their dreams, but still, as a society
we continue to struggle with accepting differences. These athletes are
honest about the impact their disability has had on their lives,
especially those who were born or grew up with one.
Anna speaks about the impact of trying to be normal

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pretending not to be different, Devin about how horrific his
upbringing was and his wildhood growing up as an outsider,
and Tupo about having days where she just wishes she
was normal. What is cool to see, though, is how
through sport these athletes have found confidence in all parts
of their lives and an increasing acceptance and understanding of

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their disability. From a sports lover's point of view, there
are also great insights into what it takes to be
an elite athlete. At the Paralympics. Sport comes first, disability second,
and it's really cool hearing them speak about their highs
and lows, dealing with race day nerves, competitiveness, the heartbreak,
and the pressure of expectations. I didn't want this documentary

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to end, and in a way it hasn't. Each athlete
in it qualified for Paris, and over the coming days
and weeks we can watch the next part of their
stories a little more knowledgeable about what it has taken
to get them.

Speaker 3 (04:57):
There for Sunday Session.

Speaker 2 (05:02):
So TVNZ plus is where you find the doco. It's
a moving and life affirming war which I highly recommend
it and I think also all it helps get you
engaged with the Paralympics as well. Coming up shortly, Elliot
Smith from South Africa on the All Blacks loss and
it's been a big week for police and gangs. Where
does this leave us now? Jared Savage is with us

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with his thoughts. Next it is twelve past nine News
Talks VB.

Speaker 3 (05:27):
Relax, It's still the weekend.

Speaker 1 (05:29):
It's a Sunday Session with Francesca Rudgin and wood Girls
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Speaker 2 (05:38):
Past nine News Talks VB Right. Two significant wins this
week by police and their operations against gangs. Operation Avon
saw every patched member of the christ Church Commentero's chapter
arrested following the eight month investigation into alleged drug deals,
while a tenure investigation into Headhunter's leader Warren Doyle resulted
in a High Court ruling he must pay fourteen point

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eight million dollars in profits from drugs and violence. To
discuss these implications or the implications of these I'm joined
by New Zealand Herald organized crime investigative journalist and author
Jared Savage. Good Morning, Jared Morning. How significant were the
arrests this week with the Common Chero's.

Speaker 4 (06:19):
Yeah, it's a pretty big one. Like, you know, the
Common Cheros.

Speaker 5 (06:22):
Have really upended the you know, the criminal hierarchy here
in New Zealand over the last kind of five years.

Speaker 4 (06:31):
They are a group.

Speaker 5 (06:32):
Which the police have relentlessly targeted. This would be Operation
ave On. Earlier this week they police arrested every single
member of the chapter that had established itself here in
christ Church, you know, about a year ago.

Speaker 4 (06:47):
And it's just to me.

Speaker 5 (06:49):
It to me, it indicates the threat that the police
see that the Common Chero's pose to the country.

Speaker 2 (06:55):
Is it a big disruption for them? Does it dilute
their power at all in New Zealand?

Speaker 5 (07:01):
Yeah, Well, what it's going to do is, you know,
it's gonna because of arrested every single one of them
down here.

Speaker 4 (07:08):
I don't know exactly how many have received bail.

Speaker 5 (07:11):
Or not, but what it does do is it's going
to make life pretty difficult for them to operate, to
move around.

Speaker 4 (07:17):
You have police knocking on the door for bail checks
and so forth. Is going to disrupt them here in
christ christ.

Speaker 5 (07:25):
Church is a is you know, obviously the biggest sort
of sitting in the South Island. South Island drug prices
are higher than you know the rest of the country. Basically,
drug prices get more expensive the further south you go.

Speaker 4 (07:38):
Down to New Zealand.

Speaker 5 (07:38):
So that's why gangs like the Common Scheros have have
moved into places like christ Church in the last sort
of five years. Will you know, these arrests will will
slow them down here, Other gangs with groups will move
into that vacuum.

Speaker 4 (07:56):
That's what tends to happen. So it's not like everyone
can relax.

Speaker 2 (07:59):
Now, Okay, Look, this is just one of many organized
crime investigations targeting the Common Chero. Why the focus on them.

Speaker 5 (08:09):
Yeah, it's because they when they came here about in
New Zealand sort of, you know, twenty eighteen, they had
their first chapters sort of set up a story about it,
and immediately I do a lot of these kinds of stories.
But immediately when these guys come along, they looked different,
they were acting different, they were posting photographs of themselves

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on social media.

Speaker 4 (08:32):
You know, we are here now. They're an Australian group, but.

Speaker 5 (08:37):
They have connections around the world, and very early on,
you know, law enforcement here and overseas were like, you know,
they've got true organized crime connections, so they've got they
can tap it into, you know, sources of large amounts
of drugs from overseas. They had some more sophisticated ways

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of operating than we might have seen from our organized
crime groups here previously. The use of you know, back then,
the use of encrypto devices and so on was what
relatively new. And they also brought like a bit of
a sort of brazen, sort of almost like fearless kind
of attitude to New Zealand. They were a very small
group when they arrived here, and they still are relatively

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smaller number, but they were just they were not afraid
of ruffling feathers, sort of upsetting the apple cart with
other gangs here and basically not playing nicely and.

Speaker 4 (09:31):
From that point on the police have really gone after them.

Speaker 5 (09:34):
By the Operation Avon, this would be at least the
tenth sort of COVID investigation that I can recount into
the common Sharos, and they've really gone after their members,
and they've really gone after their sort of assets that
have been accumulated as well.

Speaker 4 (09:51):
So it's.

Speaker 5 (09:53):
Definitely been a focus on one particular group that I
haven't seen from the police for about ten years when
they were going after some of the very senior headhunters
up in Auckland. So yeah, it'll be of course that
does what I guess what does come to mind sometimes
is we're focusing so much in this particular group, does
that mean that.

Speaker 4 (10:12):
Others are going under the radar?

Speaker 5 (10:13):
But the police can really kind of only go off
the risk that's in front of them, So yeah, that's
what we've seen.

Speaker 2 (10:20):
We also saw a ruling against Warren Doyle this week
from the Headhunters. He must pay fourteen point eight million
from the profits that he's made from dealing drugs and
violence and things. How significant is that ruling? I mean
that one we're just talking about the eight months investigation.
This has been ten years to get to this point.

Speaker 5 (10:40):
Yeah, this is probably the most significant proceedings that the
police have taken under the law which allows them to
sort of restrain and seize assets. It's called the Criminal
Proceeds Recovery Act and it was brought in by Parliament
in two thousand and nine to essentially go after the
assets of gang leaders and organized crime figures who were

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sort of quote unquote untouchable. And the law you don't
need a criminal conviction to secure the assets, you just
the police need to prove that the you know, the profits,
the money, the weals, the assets were derived.

Speaker 4 (11:14):
From criminal offending.

Speaker 5 (11:15):
And so what's so significant about this case this week
is not only how complex and long it went for,
but the fact is Wayne Doyle, who is you know,
one of the senior leaders and the Headhunters, hasn't had
a criminal conviction for twenty years. He's he had some
previous before that, but for twenty years, you know, he
hasn't been in trouble with the law. But what the

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what the police showed and the judge found was is
that he was a significant influential leader within the Headhunters,
a number of whom did rack up, you know, quite
serious criminal convictions for drug dealing or or making money
from taxing, which is essentially stand over kind of tactics.
And the money was coming into the gang via a

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charitable trust that they had set up and that was
how it was sort of, that was how it was laundered.

Speaker 4 (12:02):
So it was a very complex case. This the seat.

Speaker 5 (12:06):
You know, essentially the gang is going to lose their
pad in two three two.

Speaker 4 (12:10):
A Road as a result of this. It's essentially they're
sort of you know, it's their power base, their stronghold,
their spiritual home, and so that's going to end up
getting forfeited. And it would be fascinatingously what the Crown
end up doing with the property because I can't imagine
anyone's going to want to live there or you know,
run a business from there. So that'll be the next battle.

(12:34):
I mean, this this decision will get appealed. Their lawyers
have already signal that, but.

Speaker 5 (12:40):
You know, I think it's probably the beginning of the
end of that particular chapter and taking their assets will
be something that the police are stoked about from the
ones that I've spoken to, so very significant case.

Speaker 2 (12:54):
Jared just finally, you know, National has said they're going
to be tough on crime and gangs. That's the approach
they're taking. I don't know how much we can you know,
we've seen a lot of actually charges around drugs and
meths and things with King Cobras and How's angels this
week as well. How much of what we're seeing happening
now can we attribute to their attitude or you know,

(13:15):
I don't know if we can at all. But do
you see even more action coming what?

Speaker 5 (13:21):
I don't think we can attribute anything that we've seen
this week to the current government. There's have been long
term kind of cases that have happened under previous successive governments.
I mean, the dual case took so long it's probably
gone through two or three different government.

Speaker 4 (13:36):
So I don't think we can attribute that to what's happened.

Speaker 5 (13:39):
I think what in terms of the government, the National
lead government coming in and wanted to charge quote unquote to.

Speaker 4 (13:44):
The anti gang laws.

Speaker 5 (13:45):
I think when that legislation has passed shortly and then
essentially comes into power sort of later this year, we're
going to see potentially quite a bit of conflict between
the police and gangs, particularly around the patch ban. That
could lead to some quite heated of confrontations and you know,

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and the police are gonna, you know, they're going this
isn't these these laws aren't going to solve the gang problem.
They are going to give the police another tool to
sort of, you know, to get in there and make
life difficult for them. And so yeah, we could see
some quite heated stuff later this year or early next year.
Is the police kind of slowly work out how they're
going to implement the law. So I think maybe in

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twelve months time I'll be able to give a more
definitive answer to the question.

Speaker 2 (14:34):
Yeah, Jared Savage, thank you so much for your time
this morning.

Speaker 4 (14:37):
Appreciate it, no pleasure, thank you.

Speaker 2 (14:40):
I mean, it's incredible work by the police, isn't it
really great headlines, good results, a little bit deflating to
hear Jared say what we all know that you know,
somebody else is going to move into that vacuum and
we can't relax now. But look, anything that makes it
harder for these gangs to do business, I think is
a good thing. So keen to hear your thoughts on that.
You can text ninety ninety two.

Speaker 3 (15:00):
The Sunday session.

Speaker 2 (15:03):
So close, but not to be for the all black overnight.

Speaker 6 (15:07):
He races that over the touch line, hand that spring box, trump.

Speaker 7 (15:12):
Ten points down, plump back and beat the All Blacks.
Jenny one twenty seven had Alice Park and Johannesburg.

Speaker 2 (15:22):
To talk us through a news storks. He'd be Rugby
commentator Elliott Smith joins me from Johannesburg.

Speaker 7 (15:26):
Good morning, Elliott, Good morning or good evening from Johannesburg, Francisca.

Speaker 2 (15:31):
Right, let's cut to the chase. How did end in
the game with fourteen players impact the All Blacks big time?

Speaker 7 (15:39):
I don't think it was necessary the winning or losing
of the game, but it certainly didn't help. But it
was one of the factors in the last twenty minutes
that the All Blacks just couldn't get any front football,
couldn't get in the right areas of the park. That
wasn't necessarily all down to playing with one fewer men
for the for the last ten minutes or thereabouts, But
as I said, it didn't help. They conceded those two tries,

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but they also battled outside of that to get in
the right areas of the park. They made some mistakes
the closing ten fifteen twenty minutes of that game. Even
before off at Thawing a Fassi was seen away. They
just couldn't get out of their own red zone really
and when they had the opportunities, they just didn't make
them stick. There was a couple of times where the
ball was loose at the back of the ruck, South
Africa pinched it. There were a couple of turnovers else where.

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The bull security wasn't quite there. So they had that game,
they could have taken it, they could have won it,
but unfortunately for the All Blacks they end up on
the losing side of the ledger.

Speaker 2 (16:33):
Because for a while they looked really good. First sixty
minutes of the game. Was just a joy watching the
All Blacks.

Speaker 3 (16:40):
Elliott, it was very good.

Speaker 7 (16:43):
I think, you know, the Argentina performance in Adden Park
was good and it was a bounce back win, but
I think this was the best sixty minutes of the
season so far. The attack seemed to work a lot
better than what we've seen in previous test matches. It
was a lot cleaner, less clunky, and Caleb Clark took
us opportunity as well. They managed to find some time

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and space and Barrett was read a great interceptor early
on in the second spell, so for the first sixty minutes.
You're right, Francisca, that the All Blacks were right on
top of that test match and had a ten point lead,
and when you're ten points up against the spring Box,
you have to ice it from there.

Speaker 4 (17:20):
They are too good.

Speaker 7 (17:22):
To know they'll come back in the game, you know that,
but you've got to win it from that point onwards.
It's too big of an advantage to let slip. And
unfortunately the All Blacks did. They just didn't quite consolidate.
I didn't think throughout the eighty minutes when they scored
points the All Blacks that let South Africa back in
with an eerror inside their own twenty two or the
gift penalty away. They just didn't quite consolidate the points

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as much as they would have liked. So it's a
funny old game, you know, the eighty minutes. As you
look back on it, they had plenty of opportunities to
win that game, and yet there was a lot of
errors in that they also need to fix. So as
it stands though, they've lost a third straight test to
the spring Box and have it all to do in
terms of winning the Rugby Championship.

Speaker 2 (18:05):
The spring Box did make some uncharacteristic errors. They had
some handling errors. It took them a while to settle
into the game. Do you think that just sort of
the occasion and the pressure might have got to them
a little bit, took them a bit to settle.

Speaker 8 (18:15):
Well.

Speaker 7 (18:15):
I think it was just an arm the armrestle for
both sides really, and it was typical of a lot
of their previous meetings that there really wasn't much in it.
You look at the recent history, apart from maybe that
game at Twickenham last year, that they've only been decided
by one or two scores throughout the last ten to
fifteen years. There really has not been a lot of
the spring Boxs had a little bit of a lull

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here and there, and the All Blacks go through a lull,
but there was very much, very little between these two sides.
I think what we saw was the All Blacks rising
to the occasion and forcing some errors out of the
spring Box they'll put under pressure. Certainly for the first
time since the Irish series. You know back in July
that the Springboks haven't felt the kind of pressure that
the All Blacks are able to put on. Certainly didn't

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feel that against the Wallabies a couple of weeks ago.
So the All Blacks are able to put some pressure
on South Africa, they just weren't able to perhaps on it,
you know, as much as they should have. You know,
one point ball game at halftime was probably a fair reflection.
They got on top early and the second spell and
just didn't make them pay.

Speaker 2 (19:16):
The reef was very decisive and I thought kept the
game moving swiftly. But I'm sure that they are going
to be some All Blacks fans who are not happy
with that first try that South Africa scored.

Speaker 7 (19:26):
Yeah, that's right, and it was a weird one because
the that the TMO just didn't interfere at all. And
we've become a custom now in rugby two hearing the
TMO as much as the Goldfield referee. But there was
no intervention and I think Bill Blacks can be feel
pretty hard done by by that. In fact, you know,
I asked Scott Robertson about it at the media conference
a couple of hours ago now about it, and he

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was certainly frustrated, but stopped short of, you know, any
criticism of the referee because you just didn't want to
get into that. But there was the decision that was
missed the spring Box in the South Africa. On the
other hand, we're having a bit of concern around the
All Blacks first try Cody Tatlor around a truck and
trailer in that mall. That wasn't you note the referee

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didn't change his decision obviously there so maybe one each way.
Potentially It certainly wasn't the winning and losing off the
game that was in the last twenty minutes where the
All Blacks need to be better, But certainly hard to
see how that was order to try, given we have
replays that should cut that stuff out.

Speaker 2 (20:26):
Elliott, the game was played at such a fast paced
and with such a ferocity and physicality, which is what
we expect. I'm wondering, though, do we almost need more
players on the bench if this is the way we're
going to play the game?

Speaker 7 (20:38):
Quite possibly, when you look at the spring Box and
they had carnage right through their team in the first
thirty thirty five minutes and we're making plenty of changes
around that. Possibly, I think there's certainly an argument to Mede.
The way that rugby is physically changed over the last
especially ten fifteen years, and the way that body types

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have got bigger that maybe you could potentially name more
players on the bench but only be able to use
a certain number or something like that, similar to football
potentially come in there. I think the Spring Bloks have
mastered the yards of the bench though by and large.
I mean you look at the injuries they had and
it didn't really affect them. They finished the game stronger
out of the two teams. I think the All Blacks

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just haven't quite got that bench mix right. They didn't
get what they wanted out of them in the final
twenty twenty five minutes, didn't score a point in the
last twenty five minutes plus, So that's something that needs
to be worked on from an All Black suspective, because
I don't think they've quite got that bench mix right
as it stands.

Speaker 2 (21:36):
Well, Elliott, it was pretty exciting game. Shall we do
it again in seven days time?

Speaker 4 (21:41):
Oh?

Speaker 7 (21:41):
I can't wait. Hopefully get some energy back by then
and maybe the voice as well.

Speaker 4 (21:44):
It was a cracking game.

Speaker 7 (21:45):
And you after Cape Jown for the return match or
the back of the second league of this tour and
looking forward to getting there. And it's the area where
the All Blacks are well supported. Traditionally, they've had more
support in Cape Town through historical reasons, so maybe that'll
be enough to get them a win and leave South
Africa with one win, one loss.

Speaker 2 (22:04):
Look forward to talking to your next week, Elliott. Take care.

Speaker 7 (22:07):
Thanks Francesca.

Speaker 2 (22:08):
Elliott Smith there from Johannesburg. I actually really enjoyed. I
really intwrink itting up in the middle of the night
and watching the game kind of had a little bit
more excitement to it all. I think I'm going to
be regretting it by the middle of the afternoon. Does
anybody else get up and watch it? Was everybody just
recorded or watch a replay or something. Anyway, it was
quite fun. Politics next year with the Sunday Session twenty

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eight to ten.

Speaker 1 (22:33):
It's the Sunday Session with Francesca Rudkin on News Talks
at b Good to have you with us.

Speaker 2 (22:39):
Joining us now is New Zealand Herald Deputy editor Political
editor Thomas Coglin. How are you, Thomas?

Speaker 4 (22:45):
Oh well, thank you excellent.

Speaker 2 (22:47):
Hey, A moment of great sadness this week for New
Zealand and Murray dim What has been the response to
the Murray King's death. I see that the Prime Minister
for Christopher Laxin paid his respects yesterday.

Speaker 9 (22:59):
Yeah, yeah, very very very sad week. So the political
response swang and yet pretty quickly edged to speak flags
on government buildings lower to half mauth on Friday, although
it's unclear whether actually that they remember to lower the
ones of Parliament itself. They seem to still be flying
fullmuth on on Friday night and Saturday. So so we've

(23:24):
we've been of a small controversy the year Christopher Laxin
ended up to Tudway Wi mud I. He he had
just come back from the Pacific Islands Forum, so he
stopped him on his on his way back and delivered
the speech yesterday, which seemed to be quite well received.
It was very very quite an emotional and personal speech
talking about the last time he and kingy Haiti had spoken,

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which was obviously just a few days ago really at
the anniversion anniversary of Key to Haiti's coronation coeha So
Christopher Luckin so spoke quite movingly of the fact that
he did not expect that there would be the last
time they would speak. So interesting, obviously, you're Christopher Luckson

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less than a year in the of it's probably his
first kind of moment of national mourning, which is something
you know all prime ministers have to do eventually. So
it seems to handle it quite well. It looks like
it was quite well received and obviously like quite a
and it was quite a political event this year. It
was quite robust, and it sort of sounds like I'm

(24:26):
quite a moving event yesterday that both sides have put down,
put just cleared the truth and yeah, and and sort
of came together for this moment.

Speaker 4 (24:36):
So ye're very very moving, Yeah, as they should.

Speaker 2 (24:39):
By partisan infrastructure push this week from Chris Bushop, how's
that been received?

Speaker 9 (24:44):
Yes, it is, it is. It is one of those
you could almost set your watch by if every every
government comes into office thens a whole lot of stuff.
At the last government did and then course by partisanship,
labor did it. They canceled effectively canceled a bunch of
roads and they came in in twenty seventeen eighteen, and

(25:06):
obvious last year and early this year you'll remember National
coming in and bidding awesome light railand and Lake Onslow
battery project and how Chris christ Bishop, the Infrastructure Minister,
is calling for by partisanship. Admittedly he does. He did
seem to have a sense of self awareness about the

(25:26):
fact that that that this might this might sound a
wee bit to the end, it didn't seem to be
received very well to your to your question, Chris Siptims,
Chris Siptims took the mat out of it a wee
better in a speech of Parliament sorry, answering Questions of
Parliament and basically made the points that I just made
that it's a bit rich for the government to come

(25:48):
and preach bipartisanship when only a few months ago it
was ripping up billions of dollars worth of infrastructure projects
that Labor planned. It is a it is a worthwhile idea,
though I think it's something that's done that both sides
of the House trying to strive towards. Because the infrastructure
sector of New Zealand. Saan Sweeny, the CRL Chief Executive,
are the outgoing TV executive gave an interview to Q

(26:10):
and A a few weeks ago and basically said, look,
you know, we have all these week of people digging
holes under Auckland, putting in this incredible infrastructure, and then
when when the City Rail link is finished, they all
go into the next job, which is in Australia because
there's no work here. So that all the sectors just
crying out for that certainty. So that once projects like

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the City Rail Link finish, all those laborers, all those
those those highly trained professional tunnel diggers and track layers
can say well, right, well we'll pick up our tools
and go and work in the Wellington or christ Church
and do infrastructure there. So the sector is really crying
out for DMan, it's probably worthwhile for both sides of
the house to actually think about maybe this is the
same of time to work on that bipartisanship.

Speaker 2 (26:53):
Well, maybe they could just dig a tunnel underneath the
Oakland Harbor there, Thomas, that would be helpful as well. Hey,
nice to catch up with you. Thank you for your
time today. Twenty one to ten.

Speaker 1 (27:02):
Sunday with Style The Sunday Session with Francesca Run and Wiggles.

Speaker 3 (27:07):
For the best selection of great reeds, use talk Zivvy.

Speaker 2 (27:11):
Yeah with the Sunday Session. Well, the gin business is booming,
but a couple of Dunedin distillers are making gin with
a difference using leftover bakery products. Jenny McDonald and Sue
Stockwell run Dunedin Craft Distillers and at the first in
the country to take bakery waste destined for landfill to
make their gin. Jenny and Sue use the food rescue

(27:32):
organization KI Harvest. We've spoken about it here on the
show before. It's estimated they've saved ten thousand tons of
bakery waste from heading to landfill, but are still they're
using it to make gin. They are now running a
pledge me campaign to save even more bread from being wasted,
and Sue and Jenny are with me. Good morning to the.

Speaker 10 (27:51):
Turvy, Good morning, good morning.

Speaker 2 (27:56):
Now you're the only ones in New Zealand doing this.
Where did the idea come from to use bread to
make gin.

Speaker 10 (28:04):
Well, It started from a discussion where the friend back
in twenty nineteen about the quantity of bread and bakery
waste going to land sill. And if I just that's
comment on a couple of things from your intro franch CHESSCA,
just get the numbers right. So there's about three thousand
tons of bread and bakery waste from supermarkets alone across

(28:27):
New Zealand each year ends up in landsall and in
terms of what we've saved so far. It's actually ten
thousand kilograms or roughly ten tons, so.

Speaker 4 (28:39):
Just ran to get them.

Speaker 2 (28:40):
That's probably it's probably quite important to get right because
there's quite a difference.

Speaker 10 (28:47):
We don't want to overreach the pudding.

Speaker 2 (28:50):
I thought it was an impressive amount. What kind of
bakery products can you use for this process?

Speaker 11 (28:56):
We can use any sort of bakery products. Were so
we use bread, We use ice buns. Levington's anythink does it?
And it does make a difference to the product.

Speaker 2 (29:12):
Does the bread impact the taste of the gin?

Speaker 8 (29:16):
No, No, not at all.

Speaker 10 (29:18):
And the reason is we cook up the bread to
extract the sugars, and then the sugars are we add
ues to that and you do a fermentation very much
like a beer br and then it's distilled and by
the time it comes off the still it's ninety three
and a half percent ethanol, so almost all the flavor
is left behind in the processing part.

Speaker 2 (29:42):
Got you So, if you were a normal gender stiller,
what would you be using to do that normally?

Speaker 10 (29:48):
If we were a normal well, there's lots of different
ways of going about it, but many gender stillers buy
in ethanol. It's been produced elsewhere. So in New Zealand
quite a lot of it comes from Fronterra, who produce
ethanol from as a byproduct of the dairy industry, starting

(30:10):
from whey. Other people import neutral grain spirit or a
sugar based spirit.

Speaker 4 (30:16):
Got you?

Speaker 2 (30:17):
Is it a complicated or time consuming process using the
bakery goods?

Speaker 11 (30:23):
It's time to assuming and it's taken us a while
to know how to actually deal with the soggy bread
because it's very different from dealing with grain and learning
how to filter. That has been an ongoing problem for
us that we've been gradually solving.

Speaker 2 (30:43):
Good to hear it so this breed, so all this
breed in the products I would have ended up in landfill.
So you think you've saved ten tons of bakery waste?

Speaker 12 (30:54):
Was that right?

Speaker 10 (30:55):
Yeah, that's great. We're actually up to ten point seven
tons right now and that we work with Timmie Harvest.
Basically we're the last stop before the dump in Dunedin.
So anything that key we have is can't give away
to people for food we take and that's really important

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to us because we didn't want to be taking food
out of anyone's mouth.

Speaker 2 (31:20):
Are you are you constantly distilling like, do you end
up just with a whole of bakery waste on your
doorstep that you're like, okay, we have to store this
somewhere or can are you constantly using it?

Speaker 11 (31:31):
Well, in general we're to constantly using Okay.

Speaker 2 (31:35):
You've got to pledge me campaign to try and make
the process easier.

Speaker 13 (31:38):
Is that right?

Speaker 10 (31:40):
That's correct. It'll not only make it easier, but it
will allows to process more. So in Dneedin each year
is probably about seventy to eighty tons of.

Speaker 11 (31:52):
Bread waste would end up in land sill.

Speaker 10 (31:55):
So we've taken a ten ton bite out of that
so far. What we'd like to be doing is scaling
up to take eighteen to twenty tons out each year.

Speaker 2 (32:06):
Brilliant. And how do people find the campaign if they're
interested in having a look?

Speaker 10 (32:11):
Probably, well, there's a couple of ways. You can either
go straight to the pledgement website and you'll find us
they're listed among the active campaigns, or just go to
our Dunedin Craft Distillers dot n z website and there's
a big button to click on right on the home page.

Speaker 2 (32:30):
Brilliant And look, what's your favorite to mix with the gin?

Speaker 11 (32:36):
It depends we I think our general one we like
is a mixture of tonic and soda or just soda
and some like fruit syrup like alder Fla a classic.

Speaker 2 (32:47):
Genny and Sue, thank you so much for your time today.
Really nice to talk to you, Jenny and Sue. There
from the Dunedin Craft dis Dinners got got a bit
of breed leftover. Love to hear from you. It is
twelve to ten News Talk ZB.

Speaker 3 (33:01):
Digging into the issues that affect you cast Breakfast.

Speaker 14 (33:05):
Confidence can always continued to fall, But I do maintain
my argument that I think I started last week. I
think things are turning in this country and people are
keen to feel better about life and having rights, and
everyone pays rucks.

Speaker 4 (33:17):
Would that make it simpler?

Speaker 9 (33:18):
It's more about making it dearer here everybody.

Speaker 14 (33:20):
They picked an interviewer that really is on a hiding,
sadly to nothing unless she lays it out and puts
her on the floor. Back tomorrow at six am the
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It's a Sunday session with Francesca Rutkin and Wiggles for
the best selection of great breaths used talk sed be.

Speaker 2 (33:45):
Thanks for your text this morning. One reads I did
same as you. I woke up with the storm, listened
to the rugby on the transistor, couldn't stand it, so
I got up, went back to bed. At halftime, got
back up again. Will be a long day. Halfway through
the game, I thought I must remember to breathe. That
text pretty much sums up my experience as well. I
did realize it was. It was just such a stunning

(34:05):
sort of first sixty minutes or in the first half
was fantastic, and I thought, oh, there's no one I'm
going to go me to sleep now I've got to
see the end of this. A text from keV all
Blacks geesh, we need a new coach. We're getting beaten
by everybody. Just wait until the Aussie stretch. Ice keV,
I was pretty impressed with what I saw last night.
Okay we didn't all this morning. We didn't get the win,

(34:25):
but there was some good look and play there. I'm
interested to hear Piney's thoughts on it a little later
in the show this morning. Another text here from Doug,
well done to police camping down on gangs. Fantastic result. However,
I can't totally agree with Jared. Of course current government
has made a difference. Stronger policing is noticeable, boy race
as benefit fraud, etc. Yeah, I think he was making
the point that a lot of those investigations have been

(34:47):
underway for a long period of time. But thank you
very much for your feedback. We have got a new
episode of The Little Things Out, the podcast I do
with my friend Louise Airy. We have done a podcast
on sex tors which is a really interesting topic and
we spoke to Olivia Carvell who was a New Zealand
journalist whose works in New York and she has been
investigating the rise in financial sexual extortion, all sextortion scamming

(35:12):
teenagers and the FBI is calling it the fastest growing
crime targeting children in the US right now, and it
is here in New Zealand. And I think one of
the really interesting things about it is that traditionally our
sex torsion targeted girls, but these new financial scams are
going after boys. They're going after boys age between twelve
and eighteen. Our young boys who are quite popular in

(35:35):
their high schools, who have a lot of followers online
they know who have a real presence online who have
a bit of a reputation for you know, being stars
and have a big future head of them, and they
use that reputation to blackmail them. And as I said,
it is happening here in New Zealand. So we talk
about this in the podcast, but we also talk to

(35:55):
Seanlines from net Safe with information for parents as to
how to deal with the situation, how to talk to
your kids about it, because it's particularly important to talk
to teenage boys about and find the podcast at iHeart, Spotify, Apple,
wherever you get your podcasts. It really is worth a listen.

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And of course it doesn't just happen to teenagers. It
can happen to adults as well, So if you look,
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is there for you to enjoy. It is seven to
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Speaker 1 (36:33):
Heap It Simple, It's Sunday the Sunday session with Francesca
Rudkin and Wiggles for the best selection of gravery.

Speaker 3 (36:40):
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Speaker 2 (36:43):
The amazing Georgia Not joins me next to talk about
her decade in the music industry. At around nineteen. Georgia
and her brother Caleb, found themselves signed to an international
label as Broods. They were living in the US, touring
the world, opening for the likes of Taylor Swift. It
has been an incredible journey. And now Georgia is taking
some time out to work on a solo project and

(37:03):
she tells me all about it here next on News Talks,
bake his bruids and peach.

Speaker 15 (37:09):
Sah, it's hard to see me down and cry and

(37:34):
cry upon the Crown Copross Supper for all the love.

Speaker 16 (37:45):
I know.

Speaker 15 (37:46):
It's hard to see me down and cry and cry.

Speaker 3 (37:52):
Upon the Crown.

Speaker 6 (37:55):
O Brows surp for all the.

Speaker 9 (37:58):
Love and.

Speaker 3 (38:07):
Dolco on show. But everything so compleats.

Speaker 17 (38:11):
Now, So this gets like these are things from beat now,
Its like these are set from feet now.

Speaker 3 (38:37):
Now? Where that step from fee now?

Speaker 2 (38:59):
Why that starts?

Speaker 3 (39:01):
Now? Recover?

Speaker 1 (39:07):
It's the Sunday Session with Francesca Rudkin and Wikles for
the best selection of gras used talks, it'd be.

Speaker 4 (39:36):
You're with the.

Speaker 2 (39:36):
Sunday Session, and usually we associate with Georgia, not as
one half of the sibling duo Brudes, but Georgia has
gone solo. What you're hearing now is music released as
Georgia gets by and her new EP split Lip will
release this coming Friday. Georgia not joins me now from
La Hey, Georgia.

Speaker 8 (39:57):
Hi, nice to be here kind of.

Speaker 2 (40:02):
After a decade with Brudes. How does it feel going alone?

Speaker 8 (40:07):
It feels like a lot of different things. It feels
really cool in a lot of ways to just I
don't know, feel like a sense of independency and you know,
feel like I'm, yeah, doing like the first first like

(40:29):
work thing outside of my brother for a for a
long time, and so that's cool. But it's also you know,
it's it's very different. I have to wear a few
more hats and be a little bit more self efficient,
self sufficient, but it's cool. I like it. I like

(40:50):
I like the challenge.

Speaker 2 (40:51):
Are you feeling a little bit grown up?

Speaker 8 (40:54):
Oh yeah, I'm like I'm thirty now, so that that
on its own feels like such a significant like.

Speaker 4 (41:05):
Grown up.

Speaker 8 (41:07):
But yeah, it feels good. It feels like all the
stuff that I learned over the last ten years is
coming in handy. But I still have this feeling that
I'm at the beginning of something and that's like kind
of such a sweet spot, you know, like it's really
nice to be feeling like it's fresh, but also I

(41:27):
have all this experience to draw upon. It's nice. It
makes me feel calm.

Speaker 2 (41:33):
Is that why you decided to give it a crack,
a new job almost a new experience.

Speaker 8 (41:40):
Yeah, I mean you can't do the same thing forever.
That would just drive you nuts. But also I think
both of us were well, you know, like we were
feeling like what next. You know, we're just kind of
have been really just like non stop for a decade,

(42:00):
and we're both feeling a little bit maybe I don't
want to say jaded, but I think we're feeling like
a little.

Speaker 4 (42:07):
Bit like whoa.

Speaker 8 (42:09):
Like, let's like take a step back and like also
think about like music differently and and get back to
this place where it doesn't feel like a job. You know,
it feels like why we started doing it, which was

(42:29):
just for you know, for love of it and for
the like honestly the therapy of it. And that's definitely
where this project came from, which was basically my it's
my therapy and my diary.

Speaker 2 (42:43):
Yay, because I'm going to approach that it looks the
music feels to me and this is just my thoughts.
It feels like it does feel like a step forward.
You're playing around more with the Sounded's guitar riffs in there.
It feels moody. I thought it felt moodier, intimate and mature.
That's what I kind of wrote down when I listened

(43:03):
to it. Is that how you see this over to
solo landers?

Speaker 8 (43:07):
If I nailed that, I feel like that's really on point.
I think like I've changed as a songwriter a lot,
and I think this way, this format of that's a
little bit more singer songwriter. It's a little bit more like, yeah,
like moodio with a lot of distorted to guitars. It

(43:30):
feels varying me, you know, like I think Bruds is
very me and cab together, and then like this is
very me and that's really fun. I think I needed
to just like even know what that was, you know.
I think this has been a really cool, cool like discovery, Georgia.

Speaker 2 (43:49):
Is it easy to write about very personal things? Because
this album's got a lot of your songs on it
about breakups and things like that. Is it easy to
put it out there? I mean, there's there's artists out
there like Taylor Swift that make it look like a
breeze and we expect nothing else.

Speaker 8 (44:06):
I think it's easy to write the songs, it's not
easy to share them, Like it's it's I definitely have
to psych myself up. But I think I'm getting more
and more at ease with the idea of sharing, because obviously,
to me, it's like I hear the songs and all
I can think about is like the details of what

(44:27):
it's about, and like the feelings and like it's so
it's so personal. But I think if I let go
of that and I think about what a listener is hearing,
it's I think each listener is it's more thinking about themselves,
to be honest, and like what it means to them,
not really what it means to me. And I think

(44:47):
that that is a nice, like a nice way of
like detaching from the actual like content of the song
and like the event that you know, triggered the me
to write that song, and more about like just bringing
it into this universal kind of human experience of.

Speaker 16 (45:07):
Like, you know, I write a lot about love, and
you know that's one of the one of the big ones,
one of the big human experiences, and so like thinking
about it that way makes it easier writing.

Speaker 8 (45:20):
It is just yeah, I can't help it.

Speaker 2 (45:25):
Is the songwriting proces different now that you're on your own.

Speaker 8 (45:29):
Yeah, yeah, it's different. I think I spend a lot
more time going, like a lot more time on my own,
you know, like a lot more time just sitting with
the guitar and playing and until you know, it all
palls out, which I think is nice because that's how
I started, you know, when I was a teenager or

(45:50):
even like when I was like a kid, Like I've
first learned to play guitar, and I just sit in
my room for hours on my own and just write songs.
And it wasn't really for any other reason but to
try and understand like my own feelings and regulate myself.
And like it's kind of crazy that that coping mechanism

(46:12):
has now turned into this project, but that's cool, you know.
I think it's like, really, it's really fun to go
back to my roots. I guess in a way, do.

Speaker 2 (46:24):
You work with people you've already worked with before over
the years, or did you want a bit of a
fresh start with this project.

Speaker 8 (46:31):
I haven't really worked with anybody that Caleb and I
worked with. I mean I made actually that's not true.
I made the first the first EP with a producer
called Noah Barrison, and we'd worked on a few things
for Space Island together, the last Bird's record. But this

(46:52):
record is just like all people that I've.

Speaker 4 (46:56):
Kind of.

Speaker 8 (46:58):
Started working with outside of outside of Birds. My main
collaborator is a projecer called John Bella sciz here in
la And and we've kind of built this new world together.
And it's nice to have like somebody that wasn't involved

(47:19):
in that project come in. I think it's like makes
it a little bit easier to start from the beginning. Again,
this is a bit of.

Speaker 2 (47:29):
A left field question, but why do artists and label
still release EPs.

Speaker 8 (47:34):
Because it's cheaper?

Speaker 2 (47:37):
I thought it would be a practical answer.

Speaker 8 (47:41):
I'm honestly such a fan of EPs.

Speaker 4 (47:43):
I think.

Speaker 8 (47:45):
It's it's kind of like, you know, like a short cartoon,
like people only like the attention span or something short.
But it's also such a I feel like it's such
a nice, little like conduced thing that maybe like for me,
I feel find it really easy to knock out an
EP because it's easy to come on just candense a

(48:07):
certain time of your life into five or six songs
and like you know, you just kind of pick the
best songs you've written, and but also yeah cheaper, Yeah,
music's expensive.

Speaker 2 (48:20):
Yeah, look thinking looking back, and we should we should
point out that Bruds hasn't gone away. You're still together.
You and Cayleb both have working on sort of solo
projects and things. But have you had time over the Yeah,
the success of Bruds, it's been massive. Have you had
time over the years to sort of let it all

(48:41):
sink in or does it feel a bit like a
whirlwind now you look back over the last decade.

Speaker 8 (48:48):
I feel like sometimes it does hit me and I'm like, ah, yeah, true,
Or like somebody will be like I'll meet somebody real
random here and they'll be like, oh, I listened to
your songs so much in college, and I'm like, oh, yeah,
got that, Like people know about that. Yeah, Like somebody

(49:09):
came up to me, Like I think it was like
a couple of years ago playing R and B and
somebody came up to me and I was like, oh
my god, I've been listening to your music since I
was ten years old, And I.

Speaker 4 (49:20):
Was like what.

Speaker 8 (49:23):
And I think I think like the longevity of it
kind of is like still kind of like I didn't
think at the beginning that it would last this long.
Like I was like under the impression they would be like, okay,
like I'll do it for three years and I'll like
quote unquote get it out of my system. Turns out
doesn't work out, Like it doesn't actually work like that,

(49:45):
and I have to do this for ever maybe, But
it still kind of blows my mind that people one
kid to begin with, but also like still care. It's
like makes me feel like a real sense of purpose
and what I'm doing, and that it's like more than

(50:05):
just a moment, you know, it's actually something really well.
I feel like it might be a little bit like delusional,
but I feel like I'm supposed to do this with
my life, and this is my you know, what I've
been put here for. And it's really validating when other

(50:26):
people are into what you're making. And that is the
thing that still like blows my mind. And then I
think about like some of the shows that we've played,
and I'm like, well, that's crazy.

Speaker 2 (50:39):
Yeah, absolutely, you've been You were based in the States
for a long time. You moved back to Wellington recently,
and now you've moved back to Los Angeles. Is that
really where you need to be for your music career?

Speaker 8 (50:54):
I think this is where I've like built most of
my life. You know that I've moved here when I
was twenty one and really have owned experienced life as
an adult in LA and like built a whole community here.
Like the music industry is obviously like really large here

(51:20):
compared to New Zealand. And it's also sunny all the time,
which is quite nice. But yeah, I feel like it's
where I want to be right now. When since moving back,
I feel like really good about the decision. And but yeah,
it's a bit weird, like having my life broken into

(51:42):
two places like like that, it's always feels like you're
kind of pining for the other place no matter what.

Speaker 2 (51:53):
What's Caleb up to.

Speaker 8 (51:56):
Caleb is working on building a studio and working out
a sign music and also he's like studying to I
guess like be a dock ranger fantastic, Yeah, which is
so like anybody if anybody out there knows, and they'll

(52:19):
know that that is actually like the perfect thing for
him to study. He's like such a bush boy, but yeah,
he's studying conservation and really loving it and having like
another outlet that's not music for a while, which is
healthy I think.

Speaker 2 (52:40):
And any plans in the immediate future for the two
of you to work again or tour again, play again, yeah, I.

Speaker 8 (52:48):
Think like I think once at once, it feels like natural,
and we're in the same place for long enough. Him
having a studio will help, and but yeah, it's I
think we've spent like the last ten years putting a
lot of pressure on ourselves to be constantly releasing and

(53:12):
touring music, and I think it's quite nice for both
of us to be like, hey, should we like cut
ourselves first for a second and like just figure out
what makes us happy?

Speaker 3 (53:25):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (53:26):
Oh well, very excited to have new music from you.
Love the title Georgia gets By. I think you're doing
a lot more than just getting by, But it's a
title I think many of us will relate to. So
thank you so much for your time today.

Speaker 8 (53:42):
Oh thanks, Francisca, it's so nice to talk to you.

Speaker 2 (53:45):
George's new EP a Split Lip, is out this coming Friday.
Can find it on our website, Georgia gets By dot com.
And don't forget that Acting Royalty. Jennifer Wardleyland and Michael
Hurst are with me after eleven this morning, twenty one
past ten news talks eb Keep It's.

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Some of us have our hands up, some of us don't.
That is a fat Man Scoop. It is time to
talk entertainment, and we're joined by Steve Neil, editor at
flicks dot co dot inz.

Speaker 18 (55:41):
Good morning, good morning, not so good morning for fat
Man's Scoop. It's safe to say what part of a
very small and very sad club of performers who have
died on stage passed away after collapsing on stage at
a performance in Connecticut Fat Man Scoop Grammy Award winning
rapper and hype man kind of best known for that

(56:05):
kind of cadence. Yes fifty three was he yeah yeah, yeah,
yeah yeah. And footage from the event shows the sort
of surreal moments that follow sort of keels over behind
the DJ birth and then the sort of whole show stops.

Speaker 2 (56:23):
I think you to it. It was in literally comes
to New Zealand.

Speaker 18 (56:27):
He was out here on one of the kind of
big lineup sort of retro R and B fests.

Speaker 2 (56:34):
One was that we do, isn't it?

Speaker 8 (56:38):
That was?

Speaker 18 (56:39):
It was a Western Springs. It was Friday Jams at
Western Springs with X like TLC and akon and such. Yeah, well, look,
possibly bested on for us, Missy Elliott collaboration and we
heard a track in his own right be faithful as
we went into the segment just then.

Speaker 2 (56:56):
And I'm sure there'll be a few of you who
are fond of him, so it will be able to
pull out the Spotify and heaven listen and remember him now.
Terminator there was a new series for Netflix.

Speaker 8 (57:07):
Is that right?

Speaker 3 (57:08):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (57:08):
Correct?

Speaker 18 (57:09):
And The Terminator is one of those franchises that definitely
has sort of built in lots of highs and lows
over its many filmed incarnations. A new Netflix anime series
offers an interesting sort of new take on the subject
material set in late nineties Japan around the same around
the time of the events of Judgment Day of the

(57:30):
Terminator film series, at the same time as Let's Get
Nerdy for a second, at the same time that Skynet.
The artificial intelligence comes online and decides instantaneously that humanity
should be wiped out and there's too much of a
threat to exist. A scientist in Japan is developing a
rival AI in the hopes of stopping this catastrophe. Of course,

(57:52):
it wouldn't be Terminator if some metallic killing machines weren't
sent back in time as well, and stylistically like it
very much has the look of anime, sort of quite
nineties in its style. There is an English language dub
with actors like Timothy Oliphant in the cast, so there's
a couple of options there. But I enjoyed this new

(58:14):
chance tell a story inside the Terminator universe, and it
being a series of eight sort of twenty two minute
longer episodes made for pretty good pacing.

Speaker 3 (58:24):
I quite enjoyed this.

Speaker 18 (58:26):
All of the lot of the ideas are terminated, the
biomechanical enemy, the notions around artificial intelligence, and the sort
of apocalyptic future all sit really well with animation, and
so it's a nice vehicle to tell these stories. I
think if you think cartoons for kids and this isn't
for you, well, if you're a Terminator fan, you may

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find this more enjoyable than some of the film installments.

Speaker 2 (58:50):
But actually does it work because of that format, because
because you wonder whether there's actually enough story within the
Terminator universe to put out another live action kind of version.

Speaker 18 (59:01):
Completely agree, And it also offers an opportunity to do
something on screen with that any original cast members, so
there's all new characters of flexibility in the story in Yeah,
the Japanese setting is interesting as well because if you
sort of think about those rampages that Annie went on
in the first couple of Terminator films being chased by

(59:21):
a killer robot in the United States, well, you just
go to the gum shop, aren't you. But in Japan,
firearm access is more restrictent, So sort of right off
the bat, there's a sort of a different element to
the survival aspects of this film. Sorry, of the show,
I enjoyed it, bit different, but definitely reminiscent of all
the right things.

Speaker 2 (59:41):
Okay, so that new Terminator series is on Netflix.

Speaker 18 (59:44):
Now on Netflix and its entirety. Yeah, I enjoyed watching
that in a couple of settings over the last couple
of days.

Speaker 2 (59:49):
Yeah, and it is nice. It is nice to have
a binge isn't it. So many of the streaming services
now they're just feeding us like you know, linear traditional television.

Speaker 19 (59:59):
So hang on.

Speaker 18 (01:00:00):
Recently they invented doing live broadcasts, and now they've invented
a weekly episode of.

Speaker 2 (01:00:06):
The I'm going back in time. I'm glad you agree
with me. Good to catch up with you, Steve will
catch up next week. Ken Being surrounded with greenery and
our communities be good for our heart health. We're going
to find out next It's ten thirty News Talks at B.

Speaker 1 (01:00:21):
It's the Sunday Session with Francesca Rudkin on.

Speaker 3 (01:00:24):
News Talks at B.

Speaker 2 (01:00:27):
Yes, you're with the Sunday Session. Good to have you
with us now. Mike vander Allison, we've given him a
couple of weeks off. Hasn't had a holiday in about
ten years, he told us. We've given him a couple
of weeks off. And Ganise Raj is going to join
us this morning because a couple of weeks ago, we
had Ganesha on to talk about the Humble Yum Yum project,
his work teaching people to cook nutritious meals on a budget.
It was very popular, and so today he's back to

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share one of those recipes with us.

Speaker 20 (01:00:50):
Good morning, good morning, Thank you so much for having
me on this beautiful day.

Speaker 2 (01:00:55):
Well, we had a lot of feedback and people were
very interested in the recipes and somebody did text to say, hey,
you know, like at the supermarket you can pick up
one of your humble yum yum recipes and for twenty
dollars you can feed four people, which is pretty awesome.

Speaker 3 (01:01:09):
Thank you so much.

Speaker 20 (01:01:10):
I mean, this is exactly what the plan is is
for people to feel like, oh I can do this
for twenty bucks.

Speaker 19 (01:01:16):
It's not a big deal, you know.

Speaker 20 (01:01:17):
That's what I'm trying to do is get people to
feel relaxed with this, do it more and hopefully you
save some money and you're a little bit happier now.

Speaker 2 (01:01:24):
Chicken cuts who is very popular at the moment. The
kids love it as well. So you've got a little
chicken katsu recipe for us with a green salad. Talk
me through it.

Speaker 20 (01:01:33):
Okay, So this is one of those perfect recipes to
say global food that doesn't cost the world, which is
one of our little yum yum sayings, and this is
perfect for that. You know, people often get intimidated by
food that's not from their backyard, and this is so simple.
We're using chicken that's readily available. I used half a kilo.
That's seven bucks. You can still do that pancoke, crumbs

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and eggs, and literally you just combined the whole thing
in one goal. You just crack the eggs, chop the chicken,
put the panco in, fried it all up. You've had
some left over, and then you make a little green
salad on this side with some fresh cucumber and some
fresh lemon.

Speaker 3 (01:02:12):
The sauce is magic.

Speaker 20 (01:02:15):
I have taught so many people this sauce. This is
like your magic home cut suit. One tablespoon worcester, one
tablespoon mustard, one tablespoon soy, one tablespoon tomatoes sauce, and
you mix it all up and you're like, wow, did
I just make my own katsu?

Speaker 8 (01:02:29):
You did?

Speaker 19 (01:02:30):
Sure, you did, you did.

Speaker 20 (01:02:34):
And the cost of it is something I really wanted
to do. And I've sent the recipe through to you
guys because I want people to understand how I came
up with my little number right, And you know, the
math is important here because we're talking about saving money.
So this comes in at just under eighteen bucks and
four people and it's.

Speaker 2 (01:02:51):
Great because the recipe I'm looking at, you've actually put
the cost of everything beside it. I had, which like
this is how these people, Yeah, it is possible, Hey,
this is this might be it's a very naive question.
I've only the had katsu chicken, but can you use
katsu for other protein?

Speaker 20 (01:03:07):
Thank you for this beautiful segue.

Speaker 3 (01:03:09):
I appreciate it.

Speaker 20 (01:03:11):
That's exactly right that people thinking no, but you've nailed it,
you Francis, You've nailed it. That's the thinking.

Speaker 3 (01:03:16):
We need what you got left.

Speaker 20 (01:03:18):
You want to do some pork, maybe there's some pork
chops on special.

Speaker 3 (01:03:21):
Let's do some pork cutsu And with fish, what's.

Speaker 20 (01:03:24):
Interesting with fishes if you went for something a little firmer,
like the blue cord that we have in New Zealand,
which is so abundant with so lucky. The whole planet
admires us for having this firm blue cod fish. We
take it for grander sometimes, but that is perfect for
this recipe where you bind it with the eggs and
the panco and you fry it cauliflower.

Speaker 3 (01:03:45):
Don't don't don't.

Speaker 20 (01:03:46):
Call me names, but if you're one hundred percent vegetarian,
I would got cauliflower.

Speaker 8 (01:03:50):
Do you know.

Speaker 2 (01:03:51):
It's taken me probably four decades to come to love
the cauliflower, But I am loving what you can do
with it now.

Speaker 20 (01:04:00):
It is a very powerful and versatile I think, what'satility
of it? Because you can make cauliflower steaks, you can
make coliflowers soup, you can make cauliflower rice, you can florets.

Speaker 19 (01:04:11):
You know, there's so many It can be a.

Speaker 20 (01:04:12):
Sauce and it's not usually the thing that supermarkets very well,
you know what I mean. We're not talking about cauliflower
as much as we are other things.

Speaker 2 (01:04:22):
No, love what you can do with that. You've got
in this recipe four to six portions of leftover cooked rice. Now,
we've got to be keyful with our leftover rice, don't we.

Speaker 20 (01:04:32):
We do, and I usually try to use mine by
day three. That's really do you know what I mean?
I'm like, I'm getting, I'm getting And that's good too,
because what's great is like you see the rice in
the fridge and it inspires you to try and use
it up with something. You know, you don't want anything
to go to waste.

Speaker 3 (01:04:46):
Most people don't.

Speaker 20 (01:04:47):
Most people I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:04:49):
Well, let's put it.

Speaker 20 (01:04:50):
I think everybody I've ever met, through doing shows or teaching,
everybody wants to do the right thing. It's just sometimes
people are tired, you know, life gets over you. So otherwise, yes,
please cooked rice, leftover rice. In fact, this is also
perfect for over noodles. Any do you.

Speaker 3 (01:05:09):
Know what I mean?

Speaker 20 (01:05:10):
All we're doing is creating a base to absorb all
the beautiful stuff that's happening on top. And that all
I did was use rice and.

Speaker 2 (01:05:17):
How hating that reheating that rice? We've got to do that,
just don't we?

Speaker 8 (01:05:22):
We do?

Speaker 4 (01:05:23):
We do? So?

Speaker 20 (01:05:24):
I think you know the rice reheating depends on how
much you've got. I mean, some people hate microwaves. I
am a practical human. Sometimes I just need to put
something in for twenty seconds and so yeah, microwaves are
really easy to get that moving. And I deal with
a lot of busy people, so speed is a big thing.

Speaker 8 (01:05:44):
Canish.

Speaker 2 (01:05:45):
We're gonna put this recipe up on our website newstalk,
zb dot co, dot m Z. But where can people
find your recipes from the humble yum yum.

Speaker 20 (01:05:54):
Well, the Humble Yum Yam is available on YouTube, on Facebook,
on Instagram, and on TikTok. So wherever you get your recipes,
I love it.

Speaker 2 (01:06:04):
Hey, thank you so much for filling in for your
free and Mike, we really appreciate it. That was Ganesh
Raj there and as I said, we'll get that recipe
up for you at Newstalk SB dot co dot in
z food Slash Sunday. And quite useful to have that
chicken cutser recipe, won't it? As he says, you can
use it for all sorts of bits and pieces. It

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is twenty to eleven News TALKSB.

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Speaker 1 (01:06:30):
It's the Sunday Session with Francesca Rudkin and wood Girls
for the best selection of great breaths Us TALKSB.

Speaker 2 (01:06:38):
Joining me now is Aaron O'Hara Natrepev. Good morning, Good morning.
First of all, a big Happy Father's Day to Neil,
your dad. I know he's a very big listener of
the show, which we appreciate, so happy Father's Day to him.
Thought we would talk about daffit all day. We thought
we'd talked about cancer was Daffold Day on the thirtieth
of August, and you know, and the Cancer Society just

(01:07:01):
provides so much support to families, and it's something which
I think your cancer is something which affects so many
of us. We all have a family member or a
friend who's been affected by it or ourselves. You know,
it seems to affect young and old, and it's just
it's just part of our lives, isn't it. Yeah, unfortunately
it is.

Speaker 21 (01:07:20):
And looking at the statistics, one in three of us
will get cancer in our lifetime, so that's actually a
really really high statistic. And I think everybody knows someone
that they either know or love, or a friend or
some friend of a friend that has had cancer, and
it's not necessary that they have lived a really unhealthy lifestyle.
I think that sometimes you can see so many tips

(01:07:42):
on cancer prevention, and obviously there's a lot we can do,
but there's also an element of what we can't control.
And there are also I know, people who you know,
live healthy lives. They may even be a nutritionaliss or,
you know, they've always done all the right things, and
unfortunately cancer has they've got a diagnosis with cancer. So

(01:08:02):
it's a really sad and unfortunate illness that get and
there are things we can do. There's a big genetic
element which obviously is totally out of our control. That
might be an inherited element that brings on the cancer.
Sometimes it can be just so one rogue cell that
kicks it off, and off it goes and unfortunately turns

(01:08:24):
into a big tumor. So there are things we can
do and just things that will be more like a
prevention and looking after our health is always super important,
doesn't have to be too extreme.

Speaker 2 (01:08:36):
And I'm sure a lot of these things erin aren't
just really great for you know, keeping us healthy and
preventing cancer, but a whole lot of other almost listen
to Texas too, right, I think absolutely.

Speaker 21 (01:08:47):
I think people need to just like look after your
health as best as you can and think about your
body being your temple and all the good things that
you do are going to prevent all sorts of diseases
and keep it simple something that is actually sustainable. I
know that sometimes we can go too extreme into like
fasting and extreme diets and thinking that we can do
all these things, and then we go back to sort

(01:09:09):
of falling off the wagon and stop exercising and start
eating more processed food. So I think all those healthy
life sell things are just looking after your health in
general in an everyday sort of way, and some of
the main things that we can do that are really
going to help with reducing a cancerous one in particular,
you know, avoiding smoking or vaping, which has become a

(01:09:30):
very popular thing and we really want to even avoid
the second hand smoke or second hand vaping is in
big element. Eating properly, which doesn't have to be you know,
anything to extreme. Just increasing your food and vegetables, which
is getting all your antioxidants which help fight free radicals
which are one of the big triggers that trigger off

(01:09:50):
cancer cells. Also increasing a fiber which will help worth
removing toxins and waste from the body, and that can
be from fruits, vegetables or seeds are one of my
favorites to bump up your fiber intake, and that's a
big one for particularly colon cancer, which I've foreseen more
recently in my clinic, which are younger and younger with
colon cancer unfortunately, so really looking after making sure you're

(01:10:14):
getting enough fiber and not too much red meat. There
is quite a lot of studies done on that as well.
Exercise regularly and doesn't need to be too extreme. So
not as a little bit like the goldilocks, not too much,
not too little, just the right amount, which could be
you know, just moving your body daily, as simple as
getting out for a walk or a swim, or meeting

(01:10:34):
a friend to go to the gym together and a
couple of days a week, or you might do every
other day or one of the ways I always do
it in my clinic. If somebody's not exercising and they
think they're too busy to exercise, is getting out in
your lunch breaking walk around the block for fifteen minutes.
That can be as simple as you go and super
super effective as just moving your body, helping lymphatic system detoxification,

(01:10:58):
keeping us healthy. Also good for keeping your weight at
a good healthy weight, because that is another big factor
for cancer, is obesity. Can just keep our balance of
our weight by cutting back on snacks that's where people
generally over eat.

Speaker 2 (01:11:12):
Yes, that sounds fair, you know, I think we've spoken
about that a few times. Yeah, And it might be
just you know, having a few nuts.

Speaker 21 (01:11:21):
It can even be healthy snacks that we eat too
many of or finishing you know, little bits and bobs
of this kid's lunch boxes. But actually cutting back on
snacks might be the way that you kind of keep
your weighted is at a good weight for your height,
but also just keeping the exercise balance because at the
end of the day, calories in calories out is a
big part for metabolism.

Speaker 2 (01:11:42):
You know, we spoke that, you know, cancer can strike anyone, anytime,
and that's why it's really important to be, you know,
making sure that you're doing the screening tests and just
being aware of your health as well keeping an eye
on things.

Speaker 4 (01:11:56):
Yeah.

Speaker 21 (01:11:56):
Absolutely, and there's a really lovely the American Cancer Society
came up with this little sort of thing that you know,
just helps you in mind mind yourself of all the
things you've got to look out for for changes in
your body. And it comes up to caution. So C
for change in bowel movements or bladder habits. A for

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a saw that does not heal you for unusual bleeding
or discharge, TEA for thickening or lump in.

Speaker 2 (01:12:24):
The breast or anywhere else.

Speaker 21 (01:12:26):
I for intergestion or difficulty swallowing, oh for any obvious changes.
And N for nagging cough of of course hoarseness.

Speaker 2 (01:12:35):
So there are just some things to think about. Thank
you so much.

Speaker 8 (01:12:37):
Erin.

Speaker 2 (01:12:38):
Good to have you with us. It is twelve to eleven.

Speaker 3 (01:12:41):
Relax, it's still the weekend.

Speaker 1 (01:12:43):
It's a Sunday session with Francesca Rudkin and whitggles for
the best selection of great reads used talks.

Speaker 3 (01:12:49):
That'd be.

Speaker 2 (01:13:08):
You're with the Sunday session. Thank you very much for
your feedback this morning. A few of you have text
to say, what was the name of the podcast on
teenagers and sex Torsion. They're trying to find it online. Yes,
that is The Little Things. So if you go to
Spotify or iHeart wherever you get your podcasts, and you
put in the Little Things, look for the really cheesy
photo of Louise and I and find that and click

(01:13:31):
onto that. Otherwise, you can always go to New Zealand
Herald dot co dot nz go to their podcast page
and you'll be able to listen to it there as well.
Seriously recommend it though if you have teenagers. It's a
really it's slightly different what's happening with sex torsion, and
it's impacting teenagers in really dramatic ways, so it's very

(01:13:55):
important to just be aware of it and have the
conversation with your teenagers about it. As well, still getting
texts about the All Blacks. Poor coaching decisions around when
to inject substitute players have cost the All Blacks and
both losses this season. Interesting you bring that up, but
I'm going to mention that to Piney. Thank you for
that text. Interesting you bring it up, though, because that's

(01:14:16):
exactly what Elliott said. He said, felt like the starting
lineup was good, but the backs were not as effective
as we would like them to be. So I'm sure
that Piney has got some thoughts on that. I reckon
there's going to be a lot of talking points actually
from the game this morning that Piney will be very
interested to hear your thoughts on. A story struck my

(01:14:38):
producer and this morning it's about the cost of babysitters. Now,
I am very fortunate we have grown out of that stage.
Now I have an eighteen and a fifteen year old.
We no longer need a babysitter. But my goodness, am
I about to send them out into the workforces babysitters.
It's been discovered. Well, the journalist was browsing babysitting jobs

(01:15:00):
this week and they found families offering roles including fifty
dollars an hour a babysitter to look after two school
age children. This was in Queenstown, forty five dollars an
hour for a babysitting in Auckland, forty dollars in christ
Durt and thirty five dollars an hour to look after
one child and totronger so that a man could take

(01:15:20):
his wife out. How can you afford to go out
if these are the prices you're paying. This is absolutely bonkers.
As I say, I haven't had to hire a babysitter
for a few years now, haven't had to pay for one,
don't I think probably twenty two twenty five was the
most I played, and that was for a nanny during
the day, not at the end of the day when

(01:15:40):
they go to bed and they're quiet, and then the
kid sits on their phone on your couch watching your
streaming services for the next two hours. That is absolutely outrageous. Anyway,
we're going to talk about this and the panel Roman
is with me and also Ben Boys, so we're gonna
we're gonna cover this off. Goodness me, who has them?
Who has the money for that? It is five to

(01:16:01):
eleven Newstalk. There'd be grab a cover.

Speaker 1 (01:16:04):
It's the Sunday session with Chessca, Rudkin and Whiggles for
the best selection of the great brings.

Speaker 2 (01:16:10):
Used talk s'd be my producer, Carry and I have
decided that we're available for fifty dollars an hour if
you want us to look after a couple of kids.
We're experienced where mothers. We're good value for money. Quite frankly,
Jennifer wood Leland has just said that she used to
charge ten dollars to babysit your kids overnight. How good
would have that been? Once by a time? Anyway, Michael
Hurst and Jennifer are just so beloved in New Zealand

(01:16:33):
for their incredible contribution to the arts. Their careers span
forty years in front of and behind the big and
small screens and on our theater stages. They met at
Auckland's Theater Company in nineteen eighty three and have appeared
in some twenty two shows together. Yet it's been a
long time since it's just been the two of them
on stage together until now they are with me next

(01:16:55):
to talk about their new show, and we're going to
finish the hour with a little bit of Brian Adams
Frontier Touring is thrilled to announce the return of Brian Adams.
He is bringing his So Happy at Her It's tow
It to New Zealand in February twenty twenty five. Back shortly.

Speaker 9 (01:17:12):
It's now.

Speaker 3 (01:17:44):
Man, keep it simple.

Speaker 1 (01:18:03):
It's Sundays the Sunday Session with Francesca Rut and Wiggles
for the best selection of graver reads, news talk.

Speaker 22 (01:18:10):
Si'd be fly me to the Moon, let me play
up there with those stars, let me see what spring
is like a Jupiter and Mark in other walls.

Speaker 2 (01:18:25):
Welcome to the Sunday Session. I'm Francisca. I can with
you until midday. Jennifer Wardley London Michael Hurst are surely
our most legendary theater couple, having met in nineteen eighty
three through the theater, their careers and love story span
over forty years. They've appeared on stage together many times
we think maybe approximately thirty plays, but their latest project

(01:18:47):
is the first time the two of them have carried
a whole show on their own. It is called in
other Words, and incidentally the title of the play comes
from Frank Sinatra's fly Me to the Moon. Jennifer and
Michael good morning, Yeah, really good to have you with us?

Speaker 8 (01:19:05):
Now?

Speaker 2 (01:19:05):
You didn't meet it walk in theater company because it
was hadn't quite didn't quite exist. Then it was just the.

Speaker 23 (01:19:11):
Corporate, the corporate small theater. I'm sure some of your
listeners will have been there over the years, most in
about nineteen eighty six.

Speaker 2 (01:19:18):
And am I right?

Speaker 3 (01:19:19):
You have?

Speaker 2 (01:19:20):
Have you ever appeared in a play with.

Speaker 4 (01:19:22):
Just a two of it?

Speaker 8 (01:19:24):
You never have? No.

Speaker 24 (01:19:26):
We played a couple in the Goat at Silo in
nineteen two thousand and five, and you know, there were
four of us in the play, but it was focused
on us as a couple. But that's as close as
because I've.

Speaker 2 (01:19:38):
Seen you together in plays a lot. But I did think, gosh,
for all that time, never just the time.

Speaker 23 (01:19:43):
And this one's quite a special one because this couple
is a long term married couple.

Speaker 2 (01:19:48):
So how much works involved here?

Speaker 23 (01:19:51):
Well, you know, apart from this slog of learning lines
and making sure we really, you know, get the into
the depths of this piece, there is an ease and
a just a knowing of each other that is a
real shortcut for us.

Speaker 2 (01:20:05):
Do you think that being a couple in real life
does lend some authenticity to to the story, to this one.

Speaker 8 (01:20:10):
It done.

Speaker 24 (01:20:11):
Also, the scripts has a naturalistic level to it. I
mean we were doing lines at home, remember that time,
because I did one of the lines for many it
was just so real. I suddenly started laughing because I
felt like we were at home. Yes, because she was
saying things like did you pay that bill at the bank?

Speaker 19 (01:20:26):
What did you pay it?

Speaker 3 (01:20:28):
I think so.

Speaker 19 (01:20:29):
And you're just going, oh my god, this is.

Speaker 21 (01:20:30):
So real, is it you?

Speaker 2 (01:20:32):
Or if you just suddenly remember this is what it was?

Speaker 24 (01:20:34):
Yeah, I couldn't stop laughing.

Speaker 19 (01:20:36):
And then and it's l like that, And I know
it works.

Speaker 24 (01:20:38):
In rehearsal sometimes where we just go into this thing
and it's just it's basically habit. You always say when
you're when you're creating roles for people who are together habit,
what if you can present what looks like that habitual
existence together, you'll be convincing. We don't need to work
hard at that at all.

Speaker 2 (01:20:57):
So there's a joy in and ease of being able
to work together, especially on this particular play. You're also
co directing the film as well, along with your producer.
Can it get a little bit too much at times?

Speaker 4 (01:21:07):
No?

Speaker 23 (01:21:08):
Not not a film, a play.

Speaker 2 (01:21:10):
Sorry, Sorry, the play.

Speaker 24 (01:21:14):
It's not good, not at all, not at all. It's
actually it's quite like an open discussion, isn't it.

Speaker 23 (01:21:20):
Yes, And it's very collaborative. And we've got Callum Brody
who's our producer and co director. He's our outside eye
and he brings an awful lot to the show.

Speaker 7 (01:21:30):
Yeah.

Speaker 23 (01:21:30):
So it's just and we're good at We like being directed,
we like notes, Yes, we like the craft of Yes,
the rigor of being in rehearsals, it's fantastic. And look,
this company, this this couple have something happened to them
that is happening to New Zealanders and people all over
the world. And quite fitting because it's world alzheim as
much of course as of today.

Speaker 2 (01:21:53):
Yes.

Speaker 23 (01:21:53):
Absolutely, And you know in the play, my husband Michael,
well Arthur, he starts developing these symptoms and it's given me.
I mean, I don't think I've talked to anybody or
know anybody who hasn't had somebody in their faro or
friends circle or loved one be touched, be touched by this.

(01:22:16):
It's huge. And also for the unpaid care I think
that's really and that's that's really what Jane becomes a
loving and devoted, but it's a really hard work for
somebody who is that, who is the primary caregiver have
Do either of you.

Speaker 2 (01:22:34):
Have any experience with Alzheim's with family or friends?

Speaker 23 (01:22:37):
Just a couple of older family members, yes, who have
been touched by that, and it's, you know, not the serious,
serious stuff, but plenty of my friends have.

Speaker 19 (01:22:49):
Yeah, I don't. My parents died, so they died before
any of that happened.

Speaker 2 (01:22:56):
Does it make you think about agent?

Speaker 23 (01:22:59):
And does you know, as Michael's character says in the play,
you know, God, it's just nothing, you know, go to
the shop.

Speaker 2 (01:23:06):
And forget what you went there for.

Speaker 24 (01:23:07):
Yeah, it's trivial, isn't it.

Speaker 19 (01:23:08):
You forget?

Speaker 4 (01:23:09):
You know?

Speaker 24 (01:23:09):
But then if it stops being occasionally and it starts
to become home. And one of the ironies of the
player courses we have to remember some fiendishly difficult scenes
where the dialogues are dialogue is sort of juxtaposed, where
we're hearing different things and a play about losing that
very faculty.

Speaker 2 (01:23:25):
Yes, we have to be so onto it.

Speaker 13 (01:23:28):
Yeah, so that's good.

Speaker 23 (01:23:29):
We're keeping our brains very very exercise franships go.

Speaker 2 (01:23:31):
And there is also the fact that maybe the audience
doesn't pick up if there was.

Speaker 24 (01:23:36):
A well, yeah, no, we can't afford really to slip
into that can no improvising requirement?

Speaker 3 (01:23:44):
Yeah, okay, yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:23:47):
The players about love though, too, isn't it?

Speaker 25 (01:23:49):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (01:23:49):
Absolutely, yes it is.

Speaker 24 (01:23:52):
I wouldn't want people to think it was a downer
of a play. I mean, it certainly takes you to
a lot of a lot of places, but in the
end it's so full of love and heart.

Speaker 23 (01:24:01):
And music, you know, yes, and the power of music
to connect people back to memory. And that the Matthew Seeger,
the playwright, who was very young when he wrote this,
and it was it's only it's less than ten years old,
this play, and he was working in a dementia unit
as part of his drama school studies and saw these
people who were in a really almost seemingly catatonic state,

(01:24:24):
how they responded to music from their from their youth,
and how they wanted the words, you know. And so
this keeps coming back all the way through the power
of music to to bring people back to connection.

Speaker 2 (01:24:40):
Now, am I right? That with the story you're telling
the couple's story and it switches through periods in their
life and their lives but in the past. Quite often
when they go back in time, younger actors play well.

Speaker 23 (01:24:56):
In previous of this play, which hasn't been done in
New Zealand before they've used younger actors in fact where
the where the first, actual real life just the same
required for getting older.

Speaker 2 (01:25:10):
No, No, they're crazy though, because aren't you the perfect age?

Speaker 23 (01:25:16):
And I and I do think it gives it a
poignancy that, you know, young young people having to play old.

Speaker 2 (01:25:24):
We don't have to do that.

Speaker 24 (01:25:26):
We're more like old people having to play except that
you know, we've got a young energy because we're actors. Actors,
I mean they do plays. They used to be called players.
So there is a youthfulness that I mean that, the
childlike ability to say yes is a very big tool
for an actor.

Speaker 19 (01:25:42):
I was going to say that, Oh no, it's gone
out of may.

Speaker 2 (01:25:48):
That's all right. Like imitating art, it happens to the
best of us. Is there a project that the two
of you haven't done that you would love to do together? Oh, well,
it's interesting.

Speaker 23 (01:26:01):
We don't look too far to the future, Francesca, because
this is already exciting. It's been picked up around the country.
So we're going to be touring, which is wonderful. I
loved going around this country. I love going to the
regions and great waiter to see the country and be
working with a terrific play.

Speaker 2 (01:26:21):
So that's sort of as far ahead as we go.

Speaker 23 (01:26:24):
I don't think, well, for us, we don't really look
further than about six months. Yeah, away would, but it's
never been any different. We never know what's going to
come up. So at the moment, we're doing exactly what
we love and I'm always thinking I always work with
great people on great creative projects, and that's happening, so
that means I'm fulfilled.

Speaker 2 (01:26:45):
You're both incredibly busy, though.

Speaker 23 (01:26:47):
Yes, yes, indeed, I'm still working on Spartacus, the television
show here as an intimacy coordinator, and a few things
on television at the moment that I've coordinated, and yeah,
have you And.

Speaker 2 (01:26:57):
I wanted to bring that up actually because you worked
on Madam, which is the fantastic TV three show about
the escorts who work for the Ethical brothel, and do
you know, the actresses are just fantastic and they clearly
really enjoyed having fun in some of those scenes, which

(01:27:17):
I'm sure must have come down to some of the
work you did with them.

Speaker 23 (01:27:20):
Well, it's a matter of making people feel really comfortable
when they're doing those kind of things that everybody knows
where they're going to be touched, how they're going to
be touched. You know what quality you've touched that is
that they've consented to it, Both actors have consented to it,
that they've got a good connection. And once you have that,
then they can do their work. Yeah, they can do
their acting because a whole lot of the other things
have been sorted out. So that's a very very satisfying

(01:27:42):
work for me.

Speaker 24 (01:27:43):
It's a boon for a director because I've just been
directing Spartacus as well. Of course there are very intensely
intimate scenes and that for me in the past it
would be I'd have to do the talking. It's not
that I bail on it or anything, but having it
wasn't Jennifer. It was Tandy Wright actually who was doing
it because they're sharing the job. So suddenly it was
all being talked about and a really constructive and positive

(01:28:08):
environment and within it was so quick and suddenly we're
doing this stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:28:12):
It's very efficient. You know. Does it take you back?
Do you think back over the years that you've done
TV shows and things.

Speaker 24 (01:28:18):
The thing the things I mean, I remember doing a
show and are they doing a film called Bitch Slap
And there was some really awkward moments. I was playing
a very sleazy character and a g string and a
little silk kimono and having to have you know, young
women lolling all over me. Well, you just it was like, well,

(01:28:39):
it's pretend, be grown up. It's just pretend. And you know,
if you're going to kiss someone, keep your mouth closed
and just pretend there was no There was nothing else
was there.

Speaker 2 (01:28:47):
There was just no That was all you did.

Speaker 23 (01:28:49):
You just relied on the the good ethics of the
of the actors.

Speaker 24 (01:28:53):
Which you know can be a little I mean not
for me, but I mean you know that's where the
problems arise. Or directors who suddenly have a great idea
in the middle of shooting is.

Speaker 19 (01:29:03):
Hey, wouldn't it be good if you could do this?

Speaker 2 (01:29:05):
And no is prepared for that.

Speaker 24 (01:29:07):
Like it's when you're vulnerable, physically vulnerable like that, you
it's not good to just add things in. It doesn't
it doesn't necessarily work. You might preframe something by saying, right,
we're going to improvise this and if everybody's agreed and
it's all written on paper, then sure, but really, you know,
it's it's got to be sorted. A lot has changed

(01:29:29):
the better, Oh yeah, absolutely for the better. Okay, from
an acting perspective, I've done that too. I played the
Len Brown and Something recently and Princess of Chaos and
we had to do well, of course, for me what
you had to do this intimate scene. And I found
that my boundaries were more about feeling safe in putting

(01:29:51):
my hands on this other person. So I didn't want
to go too far, you know what I mean. So
when we all got to the point, as Jennifer said,
you get to the point where you agree, then you
can act the hell out of it. You don't feel
any you know, you don't in trepidation.

Speaker 2 (01:30:07):
Even I think of two things.

Speaker 12 (01:30:08):
At one.

Speaker 2 (01:30:09):
You've got a kind.

Speaker 23 (01:30:10):
Of journey, physical journey ankerd on your body, and so
it was the other person and great, you can get
on and do it just like a stunt.

Speaker 8 (01:30:18):
I love it.

Speaker 2 (01:30:18):
It's so good to have you in. Thank you you
best of luck with the show. Thanks you're sort of
heading into theater rehearsals, open opening a couple of days.

Speaker 23 (01:30:27):
We're at a theater and we're on till the fifteenth
of September, so open on Tuesday. Very exciting to be
back at Q because we're both patrons of Q Theater,
so it'll be a really great season.

Speaker 3 (01:30:39):
Can't wait.

Speaker 2 (01:30:39):
Thank you so much for being with us. The Player
is called in other words, and it has its Australasian
premiere at Auckland's Q Theater. As Jennifer said from September
the third, it is nineteen past eleven. You're with News
Talks at B.

Speaker 3 (01:30:52):

Speaker 1 (01:30:55):
It's the Sunday session with Francesca Rutkin and Wit Girls
for the best selection of great breaths used.

Speaker 3 (01:31:01):
Talks at B.

Speaker 2 (01:31:04):
And joining me today on the Sunday panel, we have
been boys. Good morning. Oh look you're a professional. You
can turn on your h gosh, you're good Hits Breakfast
host of course, and I believe you're now gone viral
with fifty million plus views and we'll come to that
in just a moment, okay. Also joined by z Bees,

(01:31:26):
Roman Trouvers.

Speaker 19 (01:31:27):
Hello, can someone turn my Michael.

Speaker 10 (01:31:30):
Do it for you?

Speaker 21 (01:31:31):
Thank you?

Speaker 2 (01:31:31):
We're going to join it. First of all, Happy Father's
Dave to both of you.

Speaker 19 (01:31:34):
Thank you very much.

Speaker 2 (01:31:35):
Yeah, and congratulations. I believe that you're a green fund.
I know, yeah, I can't believe you do not look,
I know Lon's looking at it. It's all the viagra
and other drugs I take kicks me, you know, going yeah, okay, Ben.
Have you ever parked in a disabled park?

Speaker 26 (01:31:52):
No, I haven't. I'm a very nervous parker. A parallel
parking outside a cafe just I couldn't do it, you know,
so to park inside, to park in a you know,
one of those parks, I couldn't do that either. So
I think you know, see what hundred and fifty dollars
is that what the fine it could be?

Speaker 2 (01:32:06):
Yes, So what they're going to do is they're going
to increase it by four hundred percent. So the government
they want to get tough on the selfish behavior of
people who misused car packed reserved for disabled people. And
it's going to go from one hundred and fifty to
seven hundred and fifty dollars.

Speaker 3 (01:32:23):
You know what.

Speaker 2 (01:32:23):
Romance tough finding them.

Speaker 6 (01:32:25):
Absolutely, But they better not do that with the toilets
because I'm a big fan of using the disabled toilets.

Speaker 19 (01:32:31):
Yeah, they're so clean.

Speaker 6 (01:32:33):
And I've got this plan if someone catches me and
they're sitting in a wheel chair at the door when
I come out, I'll just run saying it's a miracle,
it's an and just keep going.

Speaker 2 (01:32:41):
Yeah, we're going to come back to this in just
a moment, because it's interesting. I did think about that
as well when we were talking about the packs. I
don't pack in the pack, so I think I don't
think most of us do. There's just a few decades
and quite frankly, I think that they should be fined
seven hundred and fifty dollars. But if the government's going
to go to the extent of changing these laws and

(01:33:01):
these fines, then why aren't we increasing the fine for
what it is to be on your phone? Why is
it one hundred and fifty bucks to be on a phone?
Why isn't that five hundred dollars.

Speaker 26 (01:33:10):
I'd like a fine also too. When you let someone
in traffic and they don't acknowledge you, Oh geez, I'd
like a fine for that. Just a little your fingerwayver
a hazard?

Speaker 3 (01:33:18):
Like? Is that too much to ask?

Speaker 2 (01:33:20):
My daughter is sitting at home right now, going, Oh
my gosh, my mother is not the only old person
that gets really annoyed when people don't acknowledge how kind
you've been so true. I think that's.

Speaker 4 (01:33:33):
Fine.

Speaker 12 (01:33:33):
I'm with it.

Speaker 3 (01:33:34):
Just get fine for that.

Speaker 19 (01:33:35):
We're going to find that.

Speaker 2 (01:33:36):
But the toilets, there's only two toilets, and the unisex
and one is busy. Are you allowed to use the
disabled one if there is nobody around?

Speaker 6 (01:33:45):
I did this on an overnight show and someone said
to me, you've got it all wrong. You are allowed
to use them, which made me feel so much better.
I've always felt really guilty.

Speaker 19 (01:33:52):
But this is too much.

Speaker 6 (01:33:53):
I'm oversharing here. I cannot use urinals. I cannot stand
next to someone and do that. That's weird.

Speaker 19 (01:33:59):
Well women don't do it. Drop your skirt and just
we next.

Speaker 4 (01:34:02):
To each other.

Speaker 19 (01:34:03):
So I do like the privacy of a private cue.

Speaker 26 (01:34:06):
I'm with you, I'm with you if you've got the opportion,
but not with you in the cubicle. But I would
go to the cubicle. Sorry, Yeah, you're right. I think
they called it a trough coward is what I am.
You know you don't want to stand next to someone
at the urinal. So yeah, it's fine.

Speaker 19 (01:34:19):
Wow, there's a term for.

Speaker 2 (01:34:21):
There's a bromance beginning in so we're all we're all
pretty happy. Then seven hundred and fifty bucks and is
sit your fine? Yeah, that's the excuse us for doing it.

Speaker 26 (01:34:30):
So you know, put the fine as much as you want, okay.

Speaker 6 (01:34:32):
Tell you and perhaps make the offender disabled have their
legs removed so that they can continue to use their
parl okay.

Speaker 3 (01:34:41):
Right.

Speaker 2 (01:34:41):
Moving on, something which I think is appalling is it
was discovered this week a jealist was having a look
at how much babysitters are and they discovered that a
family was offering fifty dollars an hour for babysitters to
look after two school aged children in queens Down, forty
five dollars an hour for babysitting in Auckland, forty dollars

(01:35:01):
in christ Yet thirty five an hour to look after
one child. In total, longer for a man to take
his wife out. And Kerrie and I are basically going
to set up a side business now we're available for
fifty dollars an hour. I mean, this is unbelievable. My
children no longer need babysitters. Ben, I don't know.

Speaker 26 (01:35:18):
Yeah, I just got to fourteen now so she can
look after the youngest one.

Speaker 2 (01:35:22):
What would have been the most you would have paid
for a babysitter in the evening?

Speaker 26 (01:35:26):
Well, yeah, because my daughter fourteen, she now is on
the babysitting circuit and she's not getting I mean she's
not getting I'd do it for fifty dollars. I'd sacrifice
my night out to do it for fifty dollars an hour.
That's a huge amount of money. I think she's getting
maybe fifteen twenty dollars an hour, depending on the friends
or family.

Speaker 2 (01:35:41):
And it's a great it's right amount. And what's what
are her responsibilities? What she expected to do?

Speaker 26 (01:35:46):
At first she was like, I just get paid to
watch Netflix.

Speaker 2 (01:35:48):
I'm like, no, you don't.

Speaker 26 (01:35:49):
Firstly, you gotta look after the child or children, and
secondly do something. And she has done a really good
job of like unstacking the dish washer or like folding clothes. Look,
use your initiative because then you get asked to come back.
So she's actually doing a really good job with that.
But don't tell her about the fifty dollars an hour thing.

Speaker 19 (01:36:05):
Oh, it's a huge amount and don't.

Speaker 3 (01:36:08):
Tell you know, have you done that?

Speaker 26 (01:36:09):
You're your dad as well when you say I'm going
to babysit and your wife's like, it's parenting. That's a
good lesson you learn earlier on too, it's parenting, not babysitting.

Speaker 6 (01:36:17):
We made Alana Devine, a young woman in Cartertan very wealthy.
We thought fifteen dollars an hour was extortion and you
go out for like four or five hours and then
you'd work out how much you owed her.

Speaker 19 (01:36:27):
It was terrible.

Speaker 6 (01:36:28):
The house was always a calamity. There was the stuff everywhere.
But the girls loved her and I hope she's listening
because she's a wonderful young But to pay fifty bucks
an hour, you pop out for half an hour for
a flat white, you wouldn't be going out for six hours,
would you.

Speaker 2 (01:36:42):
Well, that's the thing. Who can afford to pay this?
Because if you head out and you have a dinner
and you have a one or two and then you're
uber hind by the time you've ubered paid. I mean,
this is what my partner sitting home going. That's why
we've been out for eighteen years. But it is so expensive.
I don't know who I don't know who can pay this.
I just say, go and knock on the doors of
your neighbors up and down you street and find her
fourteen or a sixteen year old well being children young?

Speaker 6 (01:37:05):
Yeah so Sofia and Holly in their late twenty mid
to late twenties. Now your kids are younger. Most children
or young adults would be happy with twenty bucks.

Speaker 2 (01:37:13):
Yeah per our thing.

Speaker 19 (01:37:15):
Why are we doing that?

Speaker 13 (01:37:16):
Yeah?

Speaker 26 (01:37:17):
No, yeah, I mean sign me up, sign me out.
Let's started after this. They sign up make our own
little babies at the babies at the club. I think
there's a name in that. We can do that and
we can start it up.

Speaker 2 (01:37:25):
Make some money. If you're paying fifty bucks, I expect
to come home and the house is clean.

Speaker 19 (01:37:29):
Yeah, you know, the house has been clean painted.

Speaker 2 (01:37:33):
The kids are sound asleep, the rooms are tied. Yes, yeah, yeah,
someone's cleaning the barbecue. That's on my list of things
to do. Now it's the first September. That would be great. Ben, Oh,
hang on, I need to touch on this is today
winter or spring?

Speaker 26 (01:37:48):
Boys, Ben, I understand that causes a lot of debate
on the station. This is a real risk throwing this.
I know and I understand there's there's four different options.
I was looking online and some people say it's the
first September. Some people say twenty third this year, equinox
or something. Oh look, I feel like if you want
to say it's spring now, let's say. It feels a
lot better saying at spring today than winter. Right, So

(01:38:09):
if that gives you a little glimmer of hope, then
let's say it. But I understand there will be people
listening right now going it's the twenty third because of
the equinox. It sounds like something that you're using to
look amazing romance.

Speaker 6 (01:38:21):
Look, if Jim Hickey was here, he'd be probably analyzing
the heck out of this as well. But like you,
it feels warmer. It's nice to just have it's the
first of September. Spring, yay. But you know what Christmas
in widered upper years ago. We had a barbecue at
Christmas time it was snowing, So anything can happen, So
what do we do.

Speaker 19 (01:38:37):
Call that winter? No, it's just spring.

Speaker 6 (01:38:39):
Let's move on. There are bigger things to talk about
in the world. And if you're going to get absolutely
apoplectic about a date not being correct, then there's something
wrong in your head.

Speaker 2 (01:38:48):
I just like data, so I don't mind following the
meteorological seasons because they're divided into these seasons so you
can measure year upon year. So that's nice. That's a nice,
neat and tidy packet package. Right, So you're happy with
happy with the day. And also because I just love
summer and I'm desperate for it to come as fast
as possis, I'll take spring as soon as it arrives. Hey, Ben,

(01:39:09):
you've launched a new podcast with your daughter Ciner. It's
called When I Grow Up. You've gone viral using gen
z slang to mortify and embarrass your daughters. Did they
know that was coming?

Speaker 19 (01:39:21):
No, I've done.

Speaker 26 (01:39:21):
I had done a few things with them where I
tried to use slang that I have no idea what
it means. I had to google some stuff, and they
got quite embarrassed around home, and then I was like, hey,
I'm going to whip through the drive through and I
sort of memorized a few things and had a couple
of little notes of all these words, and they were
stuck in the back and they were just cringing inside.
And this thing just blew up, like I think it's
like sixty six million views on Instagram right now.

Speaker 2 (01:39:42):
It's just like unbelievable.

Speaker 26 (01:39:43):
People like Paris Hilton and Usain Bolt like, and then
they still don't follow me. But I don't know how
that got in front of them. It's just this wild
thing that's just got a life of its own. So
what does ris mean Charisma? I've learned so yeah, So
if you've got riz, you've got charisma that these are
things I've googled. When I say my kids are like,
oh my god, you can't say that, But I enjoy
the fact. You get to a point and you're probably

(01:40:05):
the same. You know, we're you get enjoyment out of
embarrassing your kids.

Speaker 2 (01:40:09):
What's the point of having them if you can't get
some fun out of it, you know exactly. Hey, I'm
hoping that none of these are going to be inappropriate.
What's skippity? I don't even know if I'm saying.

Speaker 26 (01:40:21):
That skibbery is Yeah, again, I'm not the expert on
gen z slay our sayings, but it came from a meme.
Skibbity toilet. I think it's again, it's kind of like
a made up word, but you can use it for
kind of back in the day, Smurf's use the same
word for everything. It was smurf the smurf that. Well,
it's the same thing, skibby skibbity that. You know, it's versatile.

Speaker 6 (01:40:40):
As far as I know, I got stuck on the
sick years ago when people start saying, well, man, that's
what's wrong with it. No, it's really good, so why
is it sick? So that's that's as far as my
vocam going.

Speaker 26 (01:40:50):
You fall out of touch pretty quickly.

Speaker 12 (01:40:52):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:40:52):
I don't even understand the sort of the point of
up the wires, so don't even get me onto this.
I still don't understand why we say that. But that's
another thing. Hey, where can people find the podcast?

Speaker 26 (01:41:02):
Wherever you get your podcasts? iHeart radio because I'm a
company man, But yeah, it's it's myself talking to inspirational
females about their life, getting advice for young people and
their parents. So and amazing people like Lucy law Let's
the actor, Lisa Carrington, Eliza Eliza McCartney, Karen Walker. Amazing
these people have given their time for nothing just to
inspire the next generation.

Speaker 2 (01:41:23):
How different is what you want to know compared to
what your daughter wants to ask them.

Speaker 26 (01:41:26):
Well, I'm actually getting a lot out of it, like
so much out of it, you know, I think at
any age, no matter if you want to go. I mean,
I don't think I'm going to become a fashion designer
like Karen Walker. But I'm still getting some great insight
to how she ran her business and how she approaches things.
So it's been really really enlightening I think for everyone.

Speaker 19 (01:41:43):
Can I just stand the project to do?

Speaker 6 (01:41:46):
Can I just say I've spoken to being about his
daughter before. She has immense talent. She is very warm
and charismatic. She engages really well with the camera.

Speaker 2 (01:41:56):
Oh my gosh, she's got ris. We have been enough
now as a collective. Yeah, it's been lovely to have
you on the show.

Speaker 3 (01:42:09):
I'd love you to keep going.

Speaker 2 (01:42:10):
You just stay a little longer, but h I need
to move on. Curious, Sorry about that. Roman Travers and
Ben Boyce. It is twenty six to twelve New Storks
at B.

Speaker 1 (01:42:24):
It's the Sunday session with Francesca Rudkin on News Talks
at B.

Speaker 2 (01:42:31):
Coming up at midday Jason Pine with Weekend Sport and
he joins me, Now, good morning, good morning, Ah it
kind of almost feels like dinner times approaching for me.
I was awake from the storm. I woke with the
storm in the middle of the night that crossed Auckland,
and then I was it's almost kickoff time and I'm
wide awake, also waiting for a teenager to get home.
So I thought, I'm going to get up and watch

(01:42:52):
the game. I thought, I'll just watch the first half
and then I'll go back to bed. And I got
to the end of the first half and I went,
this is so good, poney, this is such a great
game of rugby. And so I sat there till the
end and yeah, no. I started the show this morning
thinking it was lunchtime.

Speaker 13 (01:43:07):
You should have listened to you should have listened to
yourself at halftime if you could re examine your choice. Look,
I thought we were great for an hour, really good.

Speaker 2 (01:43:15):
A minute it was, Yeah, I think sixty seven minutes
was when I looked at the clock and went, oh,
it's all going a bit pear shape.

Speaker 13 (01:43:22):
Now that they did to us what we used to
do to teams and just find a way to win.
You know, we were ten points ahead with yeah, as
you say, twelve thirty minutes ago. You know, yellow card
never helps. It's not easy with fifteen against those guys,
let alone fourteen, and they just sort of ran over
the top of us, unfortunately with a couple of converted
tries at the end. Look, we will examine this in
greater detail after midday, but I think in broad terms

(01:43:45):
they will be pleased with large parts of it. But
at the end of the day, it's a results business,
and the things they didn't do well I think will
consume them on the flight down to Cape Town as
they look to do it all again and a week
from now. But yeah, there's quite a bit to unpack,
shall we say.

Speaker 2 (01:43:59):
I have a terrible feeling I'm not going to be
able to help myself next week, and I'm going to
be so excited to see the next guy I'm going
to be I forget it.

Speaker 4 (01:44:05):
Three.

Speaker 2 (01:44:06):
It was curiosity though about this game, because I feel
like this is the this really is the first big challenge.
Would that be fair to say? This is when we
really kind of got to see sort of deal Blacks
and sort of you know, whether they got whether they've
got the metal, you know, to do this and I
and so I was just I was more curious I thought,
I'm just going to watch the beginning. I'm curious to

(01:44:27):
see how this goes, and of course I was curious
to see how it ended. What else have you got
on the show's to day?

Speaker 13 (01:44:31):
Well, obviously I'm unpacked that and quite great, quite she
forensic detail shoall we say, Jason Holland, assistant coach. Just
after midday, we'll get to South Africa as we'll take
lots of course, but also the Warriors. Of course, last
night a fairy tale did happen for Sean Johnson, Well,
a fairy tale of sorts. They didn't win the thing
or anything like that, but with his last play in
the NRL, he set up a try, which I think
is a very fitting way for Sean Johnson.

Speaker 2 (01:44:53):
To He played like a man with nothing to lose, right,
happy and relied and uncumbered.

Speaker 19 (01:44:58):
And it was uncumbered.

Speaker 2 (01:44:59):
But it wasn't it one of those games where you went, so,
where's that team being?

Speaker 13 (01:45:03):
Yes, that's exactly what I thought. I thought, if they
could just play like that a little more often. And look,
I don't think today's the day to relithigate the Warrior's season.
That might wait for a week or so. But yeah,
but You're right, it was like, man, if only, if only?
That's Sean Johnson's first win in ten games. It's astonishing,

(01:45:23):
isn't it. When you see him play like that, you think, man,
it's one of the best players in the camp. And
yet the last nine times he's played for the Warriors
they've lost. It's crazy.

Speaker 2 (01:45:31):
Hey, I watched Christian Glory, the TVNZ documentary on the
Paralympians heading to Paris, which I just loved. I just
thought it was so insightful and revealing, and they're just
incredible narrators, those Olympians, not just about the sport that
they're in, but also just their own personal journeys. Have
you been able to follow any of the Paralympics.

Speaker 13 (01:45:51):
Absolutely? I love the Paralympics.

Speaker 3 (01:45:53):
Yeah.

Speaker 13 (01:45:53):
I watched quite a bit of the swimming. Got a
bit of a personal connection to one of the swimmers,
so I was enjoying watching her in action last night.
See Daniel Hison this morning, seid a new record in
the T thirty six two hundred meters, you know, and
I'm so looking forward to watching Ana Grimaldi and the
long jump as well, and others too. So yeah, I'm
right and behind. I just love the I just love

(01:46:13):
the stories of overcoming adversity to reach incredible feats of
human endeavor. I love the parallel.

Speaker 2 (01:46:23):
And that's why we love sports because there are so
many stories, but these ones are so unique, Yeah, aren't they? Yeah,
direct makes them even more special. Hey, thanks Piney. We'll
be listening at midday. There will be a lot of
talk about rugby. I know Peney will be keen to
hear your thoughts on it as well. Jason Pine with you.

Speaker 1 (01:46:41):
At midday Sunday with Style the Sunday Session with Francesca
Rudkin and Winkles for the best selection of great reeds talk.

Speaker 2 (01:46:52):
And it's time for travel. Mecan Singleton joins me.

Speaker 27 (01:46:55):
Now, good morning, Good morning Francesca.

Speaker 2 (01:46:59):
Before we tear into travel, a happy random.

Speaker 8 (01:47:02):
Act of carlistone and to you rack day, to you too?

Speaker 2 (01:47:07):
Oh was that what we call it? That's how we Yeah,
a little bit like Riz.

Speaker 8 (01:47:11):
And all of that sort of stuff. We rack rak.

Speaker 27 (01:47:14):
We do great racks today.

Speaker 2 (01:47:16):
And when you set this up, when you set up
random active kind of stay, did you mean it to
be Father's Day or is that just.

Speaker 8 (01:47:23):
Occasionally September? Yeah, so it's twice.

Speaker 27 (01:47:26):
I think maybe three times in the last we've been
running it nearly twenty years. It's only fallen on Father's Day.
I think about three times. Right, So the first of September,
first of Spring was the idea for random acts of
kind of stay. And yeah, it's been a ride, I
tell you it.

Speaker 8 (01:47:41):
Certain it.

Speaker 2 (01:47:42):
They kind of work together nicely, random act of kindness
for dad.

Speaker 8 (01:47:45):
So there we go.

Speaker 2 (01:47:47):
Hey, look, we've been talking a lot about tourism and
it rebounding after COVID globally and things, and there was
definitely a time here in New Zealand where even though
the industry was absolutely devastated, we got to New Zealand
has got to go and enjoy some parts of the
country that are normally very populated. I can remember one

(01:48:08):
summer I traversed Tongededo with six other people. It was
extraordinary as opposed to lines of people crossing the volcano.
But it is causing some issues in some parts of
the world. Yeah, people you know, appreciate tourism, but actually
they also would quite like to manage it better.

Speaker 27 (01:48:30):
Yeah, it's an opportunity I think for New Zealand to
see what's happening around the world because we're not quite
back to pre COVID levels with tourism yet, but the
cities and villages and countries and islands that are really
struggling with a lot of things. And it's not just
you know, too many people crowding the streets and like
in Santa Rini lining up for a photo op and

(01:48:51):
then you've got one you know Instagram at influencer there
that's taking ten to fifteen minutes just to get the
right shot, and you've literally this is what happened, And
there was a line, and I walked to the front
of the line and yelled at her because there were
literally one hundred people waiting to go and stand on
that spot to get that picture in Santorini. But also
it's the short term rental owners that are buying up

(01:49:14):
accommodation and they're putting them out on Airbnbs and that
sort of thing. And so ironically, staying in a hotel
is part of the solution. So I've got a few
tips actually, because you know, we still have to get
Santorini or Barcelona, Venice, Paris, New York off our bucket lists,
right And the only way you're going to do that
is by actually visiting them. But there are ways to

(01:49:36):
visit where we can tread a little more lightly and
not be part of the problem. I obviously your second
tier destinations are going to be better, and visiting off
peak is certainly going to be better. Hiring local guides
is the answer, get it, Like the cruise ships are
the worst, right, five thousand people. Maybe there's five ships

(01:49:58):
a day coming into Santorini and Mikinos.

Speaker 8 (01:50:01):
So if you are on a.

Speaker 27 (01:50:02):
Ship, make sure you eat ashore. Don't go back onto
your ship and eat like, hire a local guide, hire
a little moped, hire a car. Just put as much
money as you can into local hands. And I think that, well,
you know, it's not the answer. I mean, the answer
is just to not go at all to these for
touristic cities. But if you have to go, then that's

(01:50:25):
a little bit of the answer.

Speaker 2 (01:50:27):
Yeah, it's I'm just sort of thinking about New Zealand
as well, because there was a period of time there
where we were, you know, the government was talking about
completely changing our approach to tourism and how we were
going to go high end and we were going to
manage these numbers and better on things. But I haven't
really heard a lot about that. I don't know if
we're moving in that direction in the country.

Speaker 27 (01:50:45):
Well, I don't think we can afford to. I remember
Stuart Nash really going hard after that. But then that
was pre COVID. Well that might have been in the
middle of the pandemic actually, and we thought, right, we've
got a chance here to reset. But actually it's the
backpackers and the cheaper tourists that provide our hospitality workers.
You know, we can't not have them because otherwise there
is nobody to pour your pint or clean your room

(01:51:10):
if you haven't.

Speaker 8 (01:51:11):
Got all the kids that are going around the world
on their oees.

Speaker 27 (01:51:14):
So it is, you know, we don't have the problem yet.
And maybe there's a chance in some cities they're going
to be limiting cruise ships. I don't think adding a
little fee like they tried in Venice, or even if
they try that in Santorini, will will make a difference,
because if you're on a ship, you'll just pay your
twenty dollars, it'll just be part of it and off
you'll go. You'll step on the island, you'll just you know, crazy.

Speaker 2 (01:51:38):
Thank you so much, Meghan to read her blogs. Head
to blogger at large dot.

Speaker 3 (01:51:42):
Com Books with Wiggles for the best selection of Greek.

Speaker 2 (01:51:49):
Reads and joining us is Joan mackenzie. Good morning, Good morning.
Tell me about Kate Quinn's latest novel.

Speaker 25 (01:51:58):
Well, anybody who reads a lot may have picked up
one of her earlier books. She's a terrific writer. She
did one called The Rosecode. The Ellis Network was possibly
my favorite, which was set during World War Two. But
she does a great job of the whole historical story thing.
And this one is set in the nineteen fifties in
a boarding house in Washington, DC. It's a place for

(01:52:19):
single women to live and they move in there. They
all loathe their landlady, but they have very different backgrounds
and quite disparate lives until one day a woman called
Grace March arrives and she takes up the attic room
upstairs and really starts to change things up. She really
establishes friendships between the women and they get drawn together

(01:52:40):
really as neighbors, and she even goes so far as
to host a supper club one night a week, which
is the glue that starts to hold them all together. Now,
at the beginning of the book, which is set four
years earlier than the main story. There's a shocking murder
at that boarding house, and then the rest of the
story goes on to explain their background and their stories,
and you start to wonder exactly who is the enemy

(01:53:03):
in their midst. One of the things I think Hatequin
does really well is she uses her characters to bring
in historical events or the historical background of the times.
So in this book, through the women, you get to
read about the McCarthy communist witch hunt, there's the development
of the birth control pilled, there's the trial of the Rosenbergs,
and the Skorean War, and it's all set against the

(01:53:25):
story of these women's lives. And as I mentioned the
name Grace March at the beginning of my piece, she
is the one that really comes through and has an
extraordinary story to tell.

Speaker 12 (01:53:35):
Right.

Speaker 2 (01:53:35):
Historical fiction is the theme I think today, Joan.

Speaker 4 (01:53:38):
Isn't it?

Speaker 2 (01:53:39):
What has Robert Harris got for us?

Speaker 3 (01:53:41):
Oh?

Speaker 25 (01:53:41):
I love Robert Harris his new books called Precipice. It's
set just immediately before the start of the First World War,
when Herbert Henry Asquith was the Prime Minister. He was
sixteen years old and he became completely infatuated with a
twenty six year old young aristocratic woman called Venetia Stanley.
He wrote to her three times a day. I had

(01:54:03):
no idea how he did his job. And one of
the fascinating things about this book is that he wrote
to her from cabinet, from important meetings, from inside the house.
He just couldn't stop himself, and a nice piece of
history for you. Back in the day there were twelve
postal deliveries a day in London apparently, and three in
the countryside, so she would get all of these very quickly.

(01:54:24):
He was an incredibly cavalier with what he sent to her.
She had really sensitive pieces of government information about the
war which came to him from generals and even from
the Queen. And as I said, all of his stuff
was absolutely verbatim from what he wrote to her. Her
letters to him didn't survive, but it's an extraordinary piece

(01:54:44):
of history.

Speaker 2 (01:54:45):
Oh wonderful, Thank you so much. Join those two books again,
Kate Quinn The Briar Club and Robert Harris there with precipice.
That last one sounds could be a good issue if
you just haven't quite got Father's Day organized. Just a
little there. It is a six to twelve news SOOSB
Hub and Simple.

Speaker 1 (01:55:02):
It's Sunday The Sunday Session with Francesca Rudg calls for
the best selection of grags news Talk.

Speaker 2 (01:55:09):
Senby, thank you so much for joining us this morning
on the Sunday Session. Coming up next as Jason Pine
with Weekend Sport. Thanks to Carrie for producing the show.
We're going to be back next Sunday with Mea Mottu,
who has been starring on Celebrity Treasure Island. I'm really
excited about the Celebrity Treasure Island series.

Speaker 12 (01:55:28):
I know why not.

Speaker 2 (01:55:29):
I don't normally watch, but actually it's a really interesting
cast and I'm God's interested to see how this is
all going to plan out. And we're also joined by
Anika Moyer to talk about her latest projects. So we
thought we'd go out on a little bit of a Nika,
this is dreams in my head. Enjoy the rest of
the day. Happy Father's Day to all the dads out there,
take care.

Speaker 12 (01:56:07):
You'll because I have a restraints and were not together
again turned out.

Speaker 8 (01:56:22):
For me.

Speaker 12 (01:56:23):
I can't tell you how. I have to say, Thank God,
You's just got.

Speaker 3 (01:56:36):
A head in my hand. It makes me quite.

Speaker 8 (01:56:41):
Sad that it's quite low.

Speaker 1 (01:57:05):
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