Full Show Podcast: 8 September 2024

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Speaker 1 (00:06):
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Speaker 2 (00:28):
Good morning and welcome to the Sunday Session. I'm Francesca Rudkin,
with you until midday. Good to have you with us.
Congratulations to Anna Grimaldi for picking up our first gold
medal at the Parallem. It's very exciting. More on that
this hour. Shortly, we also hear to South Africa to
talk to Elliott Smith, the voice of rugby here on

(00:50):
News Talk zed B, about the All Blacks test earlier
this morning. Anyway, on a brighter note, today on the show,
we meet one of the most exciting boxes around at
the moment, keeping legend, Mia Mottu. Her story is inspiring.
She's overcome incredible chelling is to become the reigning IBO
super bantamweight boxing champion and it's just been confirmed this

(01:12):
October she will fight Ali Scotney to hopefully become New
Zealand's first ever United World champion. She's also been brave
enough to give reality TV ago, appearing on the latest
season of Celebrity Treasure Island, which kicks off tomorrow evening.
Mia Mottu is with us after ten after eleven and
Nikamah is with us to talk about her latest projects.
This woman she just never sits still. She's released a

(01:33):
children's box, She's starring in the Aukan Theater Company's Peter
Pan and rumor is there is new music on the way.
You can text on ninety two ninety two the Sunday Session.
It was my niece's birthday this week. She's currently in
Argentina as an AFS student. Her mum and brother are visiting.
It's been a fabulous reunion. There have been many comments

(01:56):
via WhatsApp about Argentina's inflation rate in the year ending
February twenty twenty four, it rows two hundred and seventy
six point two percent. Also a lot of comments about
acclimatizing to the late hours Argentinians eat dinner. It's normal
to see queues of people outside restaurants at ten thirty
eleven PM. Now, we've always known some Latin countries have

(02:19):
quite a different approach to dinner time. To dinner time
to us, but I hadn't realized how much we have
gone back in time with our preference for early eating.
This was until I read an article yesterday in The Guardian.
I don't know about the rest of the country, but
apparently Aucklanders are a bunch of very early eaters. So

(02:41):
according to international food magazine Chef's Pencil, restaurants in Auckland
take the earliest last orders in the world. It's usual
these days for a restaurant to be full at five
thirty pm, and unusual to take a booking after eight
thirty pm. What has happened to us? Look, I don't

(03:01):
go out much, basically I can't afford it. But once
upon a time we wouldn't dream of heading out for
dinner until that is seven thirty or eight pm. And
this might have had something to do with getting the
kids ready for or in bed before the babysitter arrived.
And I'll tell you what, with the cost of babysitters nowadays,
I'd be totally expecting them to cover this off. But
over recent years, and definitely post COVID, when making a booking,

(03:21):
I've noticed, like so many of us, have, that switch
from being able to book at table at seven point
thirty to having to make a selection for a table
at either six or eight pm, with instructions you'll need
to vacate the earlier tables within two hours. And I
thought that this was a trend started by restaurants trying
to make the most of turning over their tables twice
a night. And look, I get that, with the hospow

(03:42):
trade and dire straits, I'm right behind them doing all
they can to stay alive turn over those tables. But
is it just about restaurants making the calls or are
we respond or are they responding to our own cultural
behavior when it comes to eating out. So journalist Michell Duff,
who wrote the story for The Gadian she trawled k

(04:03):
Kardrang a Happy Road, asking diners why people like to
eat early from say five pm, and the answers raged
from simply being hungry, to having their evening to do
other things, to getting home early and giving the meal
time to digest. So what does this say about us?
Are we just boring?

Speaker 3 (04:21):
Are key?

Speaker 2 (04:22):
We's boring? It does reflect something I think about the
lives we're leading. I think we want to head home
as soon as we can to kick off our shoes
and binge another Netflix series. I think it's a reflection
of how busy we are. Why go home and struggle
to find the energy to leave the house again When
we can eat dinner on the way home, people are
a little bit more health conscious. Going out for dinner
doesn't necessarily mean you're gonna get on it and make

(04:44):
a night of it. It means you might head out
and enjoy a meal, maybe have a drink or two
or not at all, and get out of there with
plenty of time for your meal to digest and give
you sixteen hours of fasting before you eat again. I
know that's important to some of you. Culturally, we have
always eaten early. If you head it out for dinner
in the nineteen sixties, you generally had to be seated
between six and seven thirty pm. Those were the rules

(05:04):
of virtually every hotel in New Zealand. It seems like
nothing has changed so long gone is the idea of
booking a table for eight or eight thirty pm and
settling in for the evening. And while it sounds a
little dull, maybe it's a positive thing. In bed nice
and early in a better state leaving plenty of tables
available for Argentinian.

Speaker 1 (05:25):
Tourists for Sunday session.

Speaker 2 (05:28):
If you are in the restaurant trade, I would like
to know as early dining. Has that been driven by
customers or is it something restaurants have encouraged. I am
pretty sure this does happen around the whole country. Someone
just texts to say very much the same. In parts
of the Hawks Bay can't find a restaurant open or
kitchen is pretty much wrapping up at eight thirty pm.

(05:48):
So is this sort of happening around the country? Ow
are we boring? Are we not making the most out
of life? Or actually as getting home, getting home and
into bed nice and early not so bad for us.
Can to hear your thoughts, you can text on ninety
two ninety two Up next. Regulation Minister and act Leader
David Seymour is with us on getting competition into the
grocery sector. It is thirteen past nine.

Speaker 1 (06:09):
Relax, it's still the weekend. It's a Sunday session with
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Speaker 2 (06:18):
That'd be good to have you with us in just
a moment. We're going to head to South Africa to
talk to Elliott Smith about the All Blacks defeat this morning.
But right now, Regulation Minister David Seymour is rubbish and
calls for tougher regulation in the grocery sector. On Wednesday,
the Grocery Commissioner released his first report into the state
of the supermarket sector and it was scathing. The Commissioner
said there had been little meaningful improvement and competition and

(06:40):
said he would launch further inquiry into wholesale offerings to help.
Commerce Minister Andrew Bailey has backed the Commissioner's approach, but
ACT is promising a pushback and to discuss regulation. To
discuss this regulation, Minister David Seymour is with me now,
thanks so much for your time, David, Good.

Speaker 4 (06:57):
Morning, Good morning Francesca.

Speaker 2 (06:59):
What were your thoughts on the report.

Speaker 4 (07:02):
Well, you can see why they've done it. First of all,
people have been hard up for three or four years
now with inflation and it's the groceries that people really feel.
You know, you see people getting something having to take
it out of the trolley because they're budgeting so tight.
So there's an obvious political lightning rock. The last government

(07:24):
created this grocery commissioner passed a pretty lengthy piece of
legislation called the Grocery Industry Competition Act. And then, of
course every year this grocery commissioner has to produce a report.
So he's produced one and said everything's terrible, we need
more rules and regulations. Well, hang on a minute. I

(07:45):
mean that was the basic story that we had when
he was put in place. And when he started doing
these reports, they created a whole lot of rules, such
as saying that a grocery store has to sell to
its competitors so that they can compete with them at
a greed price. And a whole lot of things got
put in place. And what's interesting about up the Reporter

(08:07):
is the only place where things seem to be getting
a little bit better is there's a bit more competition
in Auckland, because you've got your ethnic supermarkets, you've got
your Pharaoh Fresh, you've got your cost Co. All of
a sudden, you see, maybe a light bulb goes on.
What we need is more competitors and more competition. But

(08:29):
actually the more rules and regulations you put on them,
the less likely that is. So what I would say
is Yep, big problem, big political issue. But what we
actually need to do is take the real lesson, which
is more regulation has really done much. What does tend
to work is getting more competitors in. And you know
my view, we need to open up investment from overseas

(08:51):
because there's changes. Are the competitors going to come from there?
So we're doing that with the OA. We're going to
change resource management law so it's actually easy to build things.
So you can imagine an elder, for example, coming in
and building the distribution centers, building the stores, the framework,
but those are those are not putting in more rules.
It's actually taking the rules away, so it's easier to

(09:12):
get more competition.

Speaker 2 (09:14):
You may we should probably make it clear that you
weren't in support of the creation of the Growthery Commissioner
in the first place. I'm presuming David that your mind
hasn't changed regarding that role.

Speaker 4 (09:25):
No, well, I don't think that it was a good
idea to create them. That You've got to remember also,
I'm part of a comfort so ultimately what our government supports,
I support. But you know a few people have asked,
or do you advocate for less regulation and you know,
lighter rules so that you can get more business done. Well,

(09:45):
yes I do, and I just make a point about
values that. You know, it's kind of easy to point
out what's wrong and say it's those guys also not
being too successful and but that's too big, that made
too much for pain. But I just feel at some
point in New Zealand, we're going to have to start
asking ourselves, okay, sure, how do we make it better?

Speaker 5 (10:05):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (10:06):
I think that's exactly what people want to hear. As
a shopper, I would really like to see some tangible
difference in the next few months. You know, when I
leave the supermarket the impact it has on my wallet.
You made a comment that of regulation cut prices, we
would already have the cheapest groceries in the world. So
do you think that supermarkets are already over regulated or
are we regulating the wrong things?

Speaker 4 (10:29):
I think a whole economy is overregulated, and that's why
the government has a Ministry for regulation. At the s point,
it's only twity people, but you've got someone out of
the thirty government departments who's actually saying to the others,
wait a minute, people are spending too much time on
rules and regulations and they're not spending enough time on

(10:50):
being able to get on with doing whatever it is
that I'm doing. I mean, I'm actually just on a
Sunday morning walk and I'm opposite an early childhood center
in the EPSOM electorate. I remember visiting it and they
told me that every morning they wake up they have
to follow three hundred and three rules. And people wonder
why we have cost problems with early childhood. The people

(11:12):
there spend too much time on compliance, not enough time
bringing up, looking after and expanding the minds of small children.
So yes, I would say right across the board, we're overregulated,
and the solution to many of our problems is to
reduce the compliance time and increase the birth productive time.

Speaker 2 (11:29):
So if we're going to create more legitimate competition without
the regulation and as you said, you know, open up
to overseas investments, clear up the resource management, make that
easier bringing competition. None of that is going to happen overnight.
That's long term thinking to have an impact on our
grocery sector, isn't it? Is there not a place for

(11:50):
what the grocery commissioner is suggesting when he is going
to consider asking, you know, can we require the major
supermarkets to help to sell wholesale products to their small
rivals at the same rate that they sell it to
their stores. Is that not a simpler, quicker way of
creating some competition, Should it not also be considered.

Speaker 4 (12:09):
Well, we have a version of that now, and you
know it appears to have worked. I went to the
opening of a supermarket in Hamilton about six months ago,
which has benefited. Some of their products come from that,
so they've gone out as an independent growser. But the
flip side of it is when Costco came to town,

(12:29):
they gave them a five year exemption from the requirement
to sell to others because Costco said, look, this is
just nuts. We got to work out the price of everything,
what's a reasonable price to deliver it, how soon do
they want it, what sort of batch sizes are they having.
All of that's going to affect the price. Of course, actually,
we're not going to come to New Zealand if you

(12:50):
make us do that. So I just make the point
that you know, sure you can say it's a great idea.
The government will step in and force some companies to
sell to other companies at a quote unquote their price.
But when it comes to calculating that price. It's another
the bureaucracyed see if it really was there. And actually
the working example is that when we did get a

(13:11):
big competitor who you know, I think we need a
lot more of the likes of Costco, they actually had
to be exempted from that rule. Because these rules don't
just help competition, they also hitherer it. Now, I just
take the point that there's a lot of areas where
people will say, well, the solution to this is going
to take five years. I point to the electricity situation.

(13:32):
There's no government can get more water in the dams overnight.
There are things you can do to get more investment
and energy, but that takes years. I look at the
housing situation. You know, there's not a lot you can
do to get an extra fifty thousand houses built overnight.
But I think most of the big problems that New
Zealand faces actually have multi year solutions. And then someone

(13:55):
comes along and says, and I'm not blaming you, but
I say, oh, I want something that works tomorrow. And
then I say, well, yes, but that won't actually solve
the problem. And there will always be some people I say,
I don't care. I just want action. I think to
be honest, if we're going to get to be the
place that we all know New Zealand can and should
we all dream of that, it is going to take

(14:15):
some sort of more honest thinking and so longer term
thinking to solve some of these issues.

Speaker 2 (14:20):
Commas Minster Andrew Bailey has backed the report and supported
the approach to the commissioner. Do you think he's jumped
the gun on those comments.

Speaker 4 (14:28):
Well, I've seen what Andrew said, officially knows press release
on the Behive website says that actually he' actual less
read tape and less regulation. So that a few people
in the media have tried to say that me and
Andrew are saying different things. I'm not sure we are.
But in any event, what meants to happen is if
the government is going to make any policy changes in

(14:49):
response to the Grocery Commissioner's suggestions, then what happens that's
going to actually come to Cabinet, have the discussion, make
the agreement and then potentially take a law to Parliament,
but then gets debated by all the MPs, not just
the government, and if that passes through then it becomes
a law. So there's a bit of water to go

(15:11):
under the bridge. But I've just you know, when people
have asked me, I've just said, well, you know, we
have actually tried putting more rules and regulations on, and
even the guy that's responsible for putting them on says
it hasn't worked. So maybe it's time to you know,
as they say, ty Hall, and think about all what
is the underlying problem? How can we solve it? And
I would say it's easier to invest from overseas and

(15:34):
he's est property under resource management law and the government
is actually taking those things on. I think, you know,
quite quite boldly, and I think it's long overdue.

Speaker 2 (15:45):
Minister. Thanks so much for your time, appreciate the channel.
Let you get back to your walk. It's a nice
morning out there.

Speaker 4 (15:50):
Isn't Yeah. Yeah, well look spring spring is here and
you know the temperatures are getting higher and inflation and
interest rates are slowly getting lower. So I know it's
been a bloody tough winter, but I think we are
starting to turn the corner.

Speaker 2 (16:05):
Thank you so much. That was David Seymour.

Speaker 1 (16:10):
The Sunday session, right, So that was a.

Speaker 2 (16:13):
Tough night for the all blacks in Cape Town.

Speaker 6 (16:16):
Taylor's kept on South Africa's side and I'll pick it out.
Pup in South Africa beat.

Speaker 7 (16:23):
The All Blacks eighteen.

Speaker 8 (16:25):
Quill and for the first time and tunity five years.

Speaker 7 (16:31):
The All Blacks.

Speaker 8 (16:32):
Close fourth straight, turn their old phone.

Speaker 6 (16:37):
It's South African joy and capt Town the freedom pop
is South Africa's pup.

Speaker 2 (16:44):
Oh my goodness. That crowd joining me now is it'd
be rugby commentator Elliott Smith.

Speaker 6 (16:50):
Good morning, Elliott, Good morning Francesca from Cape Town Stadium.

Speaker 2 (16:55):
So a repeat of last week in the lead heading
into halftime? What happened?

Speaker 7 (17:02):
Yeah?

Speaker 6 (17:02):
I thought the first half you look at the first
foard and you go nine to three in at the break,
that's a pretty good return. They did have opportunities the
All Blacks in the first spell. If they iced one
of those, that would have been a great half. But
I thought a pretty good first half from the All Blacks.
But in the second half the accuracy just went a
little astray. There are opportunities inside the South African red
zone that they weren't good enough to take in South

(17:25):
Africa ap pressure of their own and were rewarded with
the early Sea CALESI try and the second spell, which
changed the dynamic of the game a little bit. To
that point, the All Blacks have been putting pressure on
South Africa and now they were under pressure themselves. And
then from that point it felt like they were chasing
the game and they couldn't quite get their noses in front. Again,

(17:45):
they had ample opportunities, couple of penalty goals that went astray,
they had time inside the South African twenty two that
didn't get rewarded with a try. So ultimately, yep, it's
the same story really as last week for the All Blacks.
Didn't take their chances and they end up on the
losing side of the result.

Speaker 7 (18:02):
Again.

Speaker 6 (18:03):
I guess this time around it's more about not taking
the opportunity. Last week they scored four tries and couldn't
close the game out. This time they didn't take the
opportunities that were presented to them that were to close
the game out as well, Francisca, So why not?

Speaker 2 (18:16):
You know, we often talk about one team wanting it
more than the other. We all know the All Blacks
want to win every game. But did South Africa just
want it more?

Speaker 6 (18:27):
I think there's possibly part of that, and I think
we've got to give credit to South Africa as well.
They are the reigning two time world champions, and it's
very easy to look through an All Blacks lens and
that's the way that we're programmed to do it as
New Zealanders, of course.

Speaker 7 (18:39):
But South Africa are very very.

Speaker 6 (18:41):
Good, and they improved since last year's World Cup and
they know their game plan very very well. I interviewed
Scott Robertson for sky Sport post game and he said,
you know, the Springbok's been together seven years.

Speaker 7 (18:52):
The All Blacks have been together seven games.

Speaker 6 (18:54):
Not necessarily an excuse, but it's a sign of where
each team is at on its path and building.

Speaker 7 (18:59):
So but as an All Blacks team, you can't be building.

Speaker 6 (19:01):
And to go back to your original question around tacking
those opportunities, they simply weren't good enough.

Speaker 7 (19:06):
That didn't have that final pass.

Speaker 6 (19:07):
They didn't have that killer instinct inside the twenty two
that the All Black teams that we know are capable
of doing. So they have enough attacking threats on the
park and they just simply couldn't find that last pass
to get them across the line, get that try. So
that's ultimately going to be the story of this tour.
They were the you know, the nearly men both times.
They should be leaving in all honesty, Francisca, with all

(19:30):
that I've just said about South Africa, but they should
be leaving this series with at least one win, possibly
even two.

Speaker 7 (19:35):
They leave with zero.

Speaker 2 (19:37):
How frustrated was Scott robertson when you spoke to him?
Does this put pressure on them?

Speaker 6 (19:41):
I think it puts a lot of pressure, a little
bit of pressure on him, but he's putting pressure on himself.
And there was a mense frustration both when I spoke
to him for Sky Sport and also in the media
conference afterwards, around that they just couldn't take those opportunities.
And you get the sense that he knows that game
was on a platter, that he knows that they could
in theory be leaving South Africa with two wins, and

(20:03):
it's just that finding that last moment past that strike
from a bit of quality from the back line all
forwards to get that try. That's ultimately what the All
Blacks need, and you know it's obviously not good enough
from an All Blacks perspective not to deliver that, but
the feeling is they're not far away, and once they

(20:23):
crack it, they feel like they'll be Away laughing, but
as it stands there, you know they're not and that's
going to be what they reflect on is they take
the plane home back to New Zealand.

Speaker 2 (20:35):
A few yellow cards throughout the game, Elliott, yep.

Speaker 6 (20:38):
And that was one thing they looked at discipline to
focus on and didn't quite work. I mean two on
each side really, so I probably canceled each other out.

Speaker 7 (20:46):
The all Blacks.

Speaker 6 (20:47):
They had to play the last seven minutes with just
fourteen men when to roll Lomax was yellow carded for
a late shot on Cheesland Colby or taking them without
the ball probably the more accurate way of describing that.
So you know, little mistakes like that, little brain explosions
that they need to be better at, and they considered

(21:09):
obviously a couple last week or one last week and
off a throng of Fassi and considered a couple more tonight.
Discipline has to be something that all Blacks work on
because teams will punish you, and you know, with already
three losses in this Test season, they've got plenty of
tough matches still to come, especially on that end of
year tour, that are going to be tough week on
week on week, so discipline. They need to sort that

(21:30):
out quick smart as they head back home and prepare
for the letters they cup Elliott.

Speaker 2 (21:35):
The score line probably answers this question, but did the
bench work better this week?

Speaker 6 (21:41):
No, it didn't And the all black serrarity for them
not scoring a try in a match only got the
four penalty goals of Damian McKenzie to show and the
scorers calling from them.

Speaker 7 (21:51):
And it's a fourth match.

Speaker 6 (21:53):
In a row where they haven't been able to score
points in the final quarter and this is a really
bizarre thing that they just haven't been able to get right.
They've tweaked the bench of this game, still didn't get
it right, couldn't close out the games previously at Alice
Park and Auckland they managed to close out Wellington they couldn't.
So this is becoming the story of the team at

(22:14):
the moment. They can't score in the final quarter when
the game is there for the taking and until they
get that right, they're not going to be getting too
many wins.

Speaker 2 (22:23):
As you mentioned before, we're heading into the Bledderslow Cup
on the twenty first of September. We're playing the Wallabies.
Do you think they could upset the All Blacks.

Speaker 7 (22:29):
Oh look hard to know what the Wallabies.

Speaker 6 (22:31):
I mean, this is the game that they would have
been targeting, you know, from when Joe Schmidt talk the
helm right through and they've been mixed. I think it's
fair to say so far this year, but you know
this is a game that they'll be striving for.

Speaker 7 (22:44):
They will take him. Notice that South Africa won the Freedom.

Speaker 6 (22:46):
Cup for the first time since two thousand and nine
by beating the All Blacks twice.

Speaker 7 (22:49):
That's what you've got to do to get the Bledderslow Cup.

Speaker 6 (22:52):
So I'm strong sure Australia took notice of that and
would have noticed some vulnerabilities in that All Blacks team.
The All Blacks I think, on paper should be still
too good for Australia, but all of a sudden that
becomes a real acid test. And you know Scott Robinson's
record went from being four you know, thorry three and
one for one to now being four to three as
they head home from South Africa, and you know that

(23:12):
blitter is like cup takes on in chased importance in
a couple of weeks.

Speaker 2 (23:15):
Elliott Smith, thank you very much for your call this morning,
and thank you very much for your time.

Speaker 7 (23:19):
It's been a pleasure, Francisca, thank you.

Speaker 2 (23:22):
Politics next, and don't forget the Kiwi boxer and celebrity
Treasure Island contestant Mia Mottu is with me after ten.
It is twenty sixty teen.

Speaker 1 (23:32):
It's the Sunday Session with Francesca Rudkin on Newstalks at.

Speaker 2 (23:37):
B and with me now we have news talks here
to be Political editor Jason Wolves. Good morning, Jason, good
morning for Francesca. Right, Shane Jones, you got a telling
off for having a crack at a judge. Where are
we at with us if we put this to bed?

Speaker 9 (23:49):
I think we have I mean, Shane Jones is a
no stranger to coming under some clouds of controversy when
it comes to as brushes with the Cabinet Manual. The
Cabinet Manual of course being the ministerial rule book that
they have to adhere to.

Speaker 8 (24:02):
And of course he.

Speaker 9 (24:03):
Had a crack at a judge a couple of weeks ago.
We're in a meeting. He essentially said that they're a
communist and then he defended that by saying, well, actually
this said judge or justice when they were in their
younger years was a member of like the Socialist Action League,
and despite this, you know, he held true to what
he was saying. He said, nope, it's all factual. And

(24:23):
then when pressed on it, he said that the he
made comments about how the system was totalitarianism, again, which
you're not allowed to do. You're not allowed to comment
on that level of the judiciary, and it earned a
rebuke from Judith Collins, who was the Order to the
Attorney General, rather telling him to essentially you need to
rein their send. So they had some sort of meeting

(24:45):
behind closed doors to talk about it, and then he
called one of my colleagues at the Herald, Jamie Ensaw,
to basically do a Mayor Coulper and say, yes, I
was too, You're in treacherous territory when you talk about
the judges like that. I'm going to stick to talking
about the things that he's more passionate about, which is
basically making fun of the Green Party and talking up
the oil and gas sector. So you know, now this

(25:06):
is the sort of thing that happened when he was
last in government, when with ja sindar Dern he made
some cracksit in New Zealand at Fonterra and he was
not allowed to do that as well, so he's no
stranger to controversy as old Jonesy.

Speaker 2 (25:18):
No, it creates a bit of entertainment but a little
bit naughty. At the same time, Chris Hopkins has again
been musing about a capital gains tax.

Speaker 5 (25:27):
Indeed he has.

Speaker 9 (25:28):
He was talking about it when he was on Kerry
Woodhams show Yes on Fridays, rather just about how the
Labor Party would have some sort of broad based capital
tax at the next election, and it would be he
didn't quite confirm it would be a capital gain step
instead of be a tax on capital, so you could
always you can see where that's coming from. And he

(25:49):
hasn't ruled it out in the past either, So listen,
it's not really surprising. The Labor Party have been not
floating but outright trying to marry a capital gains tax
since the early two thousands, and even before that. It's
been talked about at length, but they've never managed to
get it across the line. I mean j Just sindar
Dern made the captain call not to implement one between
twenty seventeen and twenty twenty, but they had that tax

(26:12):
working group that decided yes, you should have the capital
gains tax, and then she ultimately decided to go against
the advice of Sir Michael Cullen and his group and
say that as long as she's Prime Minister, she wouldn't
implement one. So Chris Hipkins, if he runs on the
tax capital gains tax package in the next election, is
going to face quite the uphill battle because if Jacinda

(26:34):
durn can't get it across the line, I don't know
how Chris Hipkins will.

Speaker 2 (26:38):
And Jason just quickly. The Prime Minister has been overseas,
but as Beck this week, what are you expecting to
play out in the House.

Speaker 5 (26:44):
Yeah, it was an interesting week.

Speaker 9 (26:46):
You didn't really hear too much about the Prime Minister
overseas this week. He was in Malaysia and here was
in Korea. But he's going to be back this week.
We're going to see obviously some more of the Argie
Barge in the House that we've all come to know
and love. But we're expecting the Gang's legislation, the Gang
Patch Band to go through the House this week, so
expect that to be one of hot debates, and just

(27:08):
various different other issues as well. That it would be
interesting to see the Prime Minister kind of be swinging
back in action here in New Zealand. He has well,
hopefully his post cabinet press conference tomorrow, where he always
comes armed with some sort of announcement. So we'll wait
with baited breath to see what that is.

Speaker 2 (27:24):
We shall thank you so much, Jason, good to catch
up an amazing morning in Paris and a Grimaldi winning
the Tea forty seven two hundred meter gold medal. New
Zealand Paralympics Chef de Mission Railing Baits is with me
next twenty to ten.

Speaker 1 (27:38):
Sunday with Style the Sunday Session with Francesca Rudkin and
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Speaker 2 (27:48):
It is the second to last day of the Paralympics.
Well was the second to last day of the Paralympics
overnight and New Zealand has its first gold medal. Anna
Grimaldi has won the two hundred meter Tea forty seven
final setting in oceany record. Joining me from Paris is
New Zealand Chift Mission Railing Baits. Good morning, Rayleane, good morning,
how are you. I'm very good?

Speaker 10 (28:07):
How's the voice, Yes, as somewhat not as good as
what it was a couple of hours ago.

Speaker 2 (28:16):
How was that race with Anna?

Speaker 5 (28:18):
Oh, it was amazing.

Speaker 10 (28:20):
Where we're sitting on the stand and you know, she
ran so well in her qualifying heat this morning, fast
as qualifier and just knew that she was She had
a great.

Speaker 5 (28:30):
Finish on her and the two hundred when you come
off the bend, so she's.

Speaker 10 (28:33):
Gonna want it, just gonna it's gonna win it. So no,
it was amazing, absolutely amazing event. And you know, obviously
her and a coach Mikey Jacobs are very very happy,
which is great.

Speaker 2 (28:45):
Have you seen and spoken to her how she feeling.

Speaker 10 (28:49):
Yeah, we saw straight off the race when she did
her lap and gave her a big hug, and she's
very very happy. Mikey's equally happy, and yeah, she's just
been presented with her medal now and yeah, you can't
wipe the smile off your face, and neither should you.

Speaker 2 (29:05):
Oh no, she I love watching her compete because the
expression and the emotion that comes out, especially when she
crosses the finish line. It's just infectious, isn't it.

Speaker 5 (29:14):
Oh?

Speaker 10 (29:14):
Absolutely absolutely? Yeah, makes us very very proud.

Speaker 2 (29:18):
Am I right that this wasn't Anna's favorite favorite event either.

Speaker 5 (29:23):
Oh no, you're absolutely right.

Speaker 10 (29:25):
In fact, you know, it took her quite a week
while to qualify for this event, so you know, she
didn't qualify easily for it was it was a late
addition to the program, but being the last event on
the program, she decided to have her go at it,
and just as well she did.

Speaker 5 (29:41):
Certainly has reaped the benefits.

Speaker 2 (29:43):
Of it, and it must be really satisfying. I'm sure
that she was disappointed of not being able to defend
her long jump title yesterday.

Speaker 10 (29:51):
Yeah, I mean, obviously there's a lot of pressure when
you're defending champion, and you know, this Games has shown us,
you know, all the fourth place gettings that New Zealand
team has had, a lot of those performances would have
actually been silver and potentially gold medals in Tokyo and Rio.
So it just shows you the standard of performances come

(30:12):
up across all the sports. The amount of world records
that have been on the validrome, world records in the pool,
and so many world records at the athletics stadium shows
won the increase in depth across a sports. I think
government investment around the world has been a contributing factor,

(30:32):
but also a lot of integrated programs now, so a
lot of countries have fully integrated programs power and able
bodied together the best coaches coaching these athletes, and certainly
the performances have indicated that you know that has been
a success of that.

Speaker 2 (30:47):
So, yeah, you're the Athletics New Zealand national para lead
are you Are you happy with what we're putting into
our Paralympian athletes?

Speaker 5 (30:59):
Oh, we're really lucky.

Speaker 10 (31:00):
I mean, we're athletes New Zerald one of the leaders
as far as integration goes, along with snow Sports News Island.
And you know, we've got a great program here in
New Zealand. It's supported really well within the NSO and
around the coaching so you know, our athletes are fully

(31:20):
immersed within the program and we get a lot of
majority of our athletes compete with the able bodied athletes
to give them extra competition, et cetera. So yeah, I
mean we've got to still go and rebuild our program
across all the sports in New Zealand, and you know
we're now looking for our next I suppose cohort of

(31:41):
athletes comes through for LA twenty twenty eight and then
Brisbane twenty thirty two.

Speaker 2 (31:46):
What have you made of the overall key we achievement
in Paris? So for eight golds we've got the one gold,
for silver, three bronze, it is short of the twelve
from Tokyo. How are you feeling about the Paralympics.

Speaker 5 (31:59):
Well, it's not over yet.

Speaker 10 (32:00):
We've still got Scott and Pete to compete tomorrow and
but no think, you know, people just need to understand
that it's not always just about the medal. As I said,
you know, the amount of fourth places we've had by
one centimeter or points zero one of a time and
things like that, and those performances would have been medals

(32:21):
in the past. It just shows how how much the
standards have increased. And I think, you know, our athletes
have performed, you know, with distinction. They've made finals. You know,
our young athletes, debutantes who have made finals and swum
pbs and broken national records, that they are our future.

Speaker 5 (32:43):
They're they're the LA twenty eight athletes.

Speaker 10 (32:45):
So they've all got to start somewhere and I'm very
very proud of each and every one of them.

Speaker 2 (32:51):
Aileen, thank you so much for your time this morning
and for all the inspiring performances from the athletes, it's
been fantastic to watch and follow.

Speaker 5 (32:59):
Oh thank you so much.

Speaker 10 (33:00):
And I'd just like to say thank you to the
key we nation for supporting everybody, because it's meant the
world to the athletes knowing that everybody back home is
behind them here in Paris as well.

Speaker 2 (33:10):
That was New Zealand Paralympic schifter mission railing bates there
and Anna Grimaldi will be on Weekend Sport with Darcy
water Grave just after one pm today it is twelve
to ten.

Speaker 1 (33:21):
Putting the tough questions to the newspeakers the mic asking.

Speaker 11 (33:24):
Breakfast now, if you can believe that the concept of
ethnic priority appears to be back in our health systems
or can the University Medical and Emeritus Professor Des Gorman's
with us I understanding this is a deal between Health
hawks Bay and the local primary health. So is it
our business or the minister's business or the local business?
Do we have an issue here or not?

Speaker 3 (33:40):
If you believe there are inequities in place which are
driving inequalities, you don't solve that by doing something which
generates another set of equities or inequalities. The modern approach
to healthcarekers to focus on an individual and individual families
in need and put the resources in place that they
need to actually improve or a cur and do well.
At the minute you start aggregating risks and the level
of race, you've lost focus.

Speaker 11 (34:01):
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Speaker 1 (34:07):
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Speaker 12 (34:22):
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Speaker 2 (34:27):
Thank you so much for your text this morning. Francisca.
I think we eat early because of our drinking culture.
We need to eat early or be drunk as a monkey.
And I think you've probably sort of hit something on
the head there. I think we do tend to the
eating part is always the early part of the evening,
and then there are any certain people out in town
later on in the evening who are interested in drinking.
Bob texts to say hi, there much caller to eat late.

(34:49):
My partner and I call five point thirty PM diners
rest home dining, and I think you're I think you've
hit the nail on the head. I think we are
a country of rest home diners, Bob. I think that's
the reality. We're all we're all loving either, we're hugely
hungry by the end of the day. We're just a
wording snacking, you know. But we do seem to be
a nation of rest home dining. Regarding the grocery prices,

(35:14):
Leslie text to say how much of the price costs
are due to us being lazy? I heard from a
very reliable friend who works for a supermarket saying that
the increase in online shopping and deliveries is adding to
everyone's cost by way of price rises. I'm not against
home deliveries, but make those who use the service pay
for the privilege and don't penalize those of us who've

(35:34):
who've got the energy to go and do our own shopping.
I get you. So you're saying that basically there is
a small fee, it's not major. I think it's five
dollars at the pack and save. I go to to
do online shopping and then I pick it up, Leslie,
and that is a way that I've been saving money
because I'm not walking around the aisles going that looks good,
all that's on special, I'll grab that even though we

(35:56):
don't need it. No, I'm hungry, I'll eat that. So
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Speaker 1 (37:10):
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Speaker 2 (37:20):
The reigning IBO super bantamweight boxing champion Mia mottru is
worth me next. Mia has just announced that she will
head the UK in October to fight Allie Scottney for
numerous titles to hopefully become New Zealand's first ever unified
world champion. It's not the It's not the only brave
thing that she is doing this year. She's also competing
in the latest series of Celebrity Treasure Island. I'll tell

(37:42):
you what it looks like a rather feisty season. We
are going to talk boxing, reality TV and life next
here on the Sunday Session.

Speaker 5 (37:51):
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Speaker 7 (37:54):
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Speaker 5 (38:02):
Because me.

Speaker 13 (38:06):
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Speaker 6 (38:17):
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Speaker 7 (38:18):
The wo.

Speaker 13 (38:29):
Shoot day was gonna be the day, but they'll never
throw it back to you. By now you should somehow
realize what she not to do. I don't believe that
anybody feels a way at to about you.

Speaker 1 (38:45):
Now And welcome to the Sunday Session with Francesca Rudkin
and Wiggles for the best selection of great reads used
to it.

Speaker 2 (39:08):
You're with the Sunday Session. I'm Franchesca budcome with you
until the day. Good to have you with us now.
Some very exciting news this week. This week the Kiwi
boxing sensation Miya Maltu. For more than a year, Maya
has been chasing a fight against the best IBF, WBO
and Ring Magazine World super bantamweight champion, Alie Scotney, and

(39:29):
she has got her wish. The fight scheduled for next month,
but before then, Miya is one of the contestants on
the new season of Celebrity Treasure Island, albeit a rather
reluctant one. I've heard CTI Season six starts tomorrow night
and Maya is with me now in the studio. Good morning,
good morning, so good to have you with me. Were

(39:49):
you a bit of a reluctant contestant for Celebrity Treasure Island?

Speaker 5 (39:54):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (39:55):
Did they have to twist your arm to do it?

Speaker 14 (39:58):
Kind of?

Speaker 10 (39:58):
Yes?

Speaker 2 (39:58):
Yeah, okay, so you were sort of.

Speaker 7 (40:01):
I'm not so.

Speaker 2 (40:02):
Had you ever seen the season? Have you ever seen
the show?

Speaker 1 (40:04):
Oh?

Speaker 14 (40:05):
Yeah, I watched the show because of Tudio and Tommy.

Speaker 2 (40:11):
Yes. Oh good, so you kind of knew what you
were getting into.

Speaker 12 (40:14):
Not really, I just watched little bits of episodes of it,
like snippets, but never watched the full show.

Speaker 14 (40:22):
So I watched the games.

Speaker 12 (40:24):
I remember it's funny as but I had no idea
what was it about to happen?

Speaker 2 (40:29):
Oh that that's brilliant and maybe a good way to
go into it, because it is quite an experience, isn't it.

Speaker 7 (40:35):
Yeah it is.

Speaker 12 (40:36):
It's definitely an experienced, definitely challenging, and definitely I thought
reality TV was just like, you know, you only do
it when the TV's on.

Speaker 2 (40:47):
I love it, I love it. But actually you were
expected to do things quite often all the time. You know,
you're just yeah, they're telling you what you.

Speaker 12 (40:54):
Have to do, and you have to do it, and yeah,
we're constantly on the go, and it's like you're never resting.
It's like the only time you rest is when they're gone,
and that's that nighttime.

Speaker 2 (41:04):
Oh my god, what did you think? So what did
you think it would be like? Did you have any
idea what it would be like?

Speaker 12 (41:11):
I thought it would just be like one game a day, Yeah,
and then we get to chill and have fun and
use a proper toilet in the shower.

Speaker 14 (41:20):
But no, it wasn't like that.

Speaker 12 (41:22):
And I thought, oh, yeah, off off the screen is
we can eat normal food.

Speaker 14 (41:26):
But no, so it was rare.

Speaker 2 (41:28):
So that is really interesting. So what we see is
what we get that you don't get to go and
spend the night in a motel and use a shower
or a toilet. Were you are is where you are
until you leave.

Speaker 12 (41:39):
Yeah, it's definitely you're sleeping on those horrible bunks and
it's freezing cold.

Speaker 2 (41:47):
But you were quite surprised, like people really did struggle
a little bit with the conditions.

Speaker 12 (41:53):
Yeah, it was like adapting to the conditions and like
the new environment was very different and we had to like, literally,
we're staying with these people twenty four to seven, and
we got no phone, no communication. We don't even know
that the time is because we're not allowed to know.

Speaker 2 (42:12):
There's some quite strong personalities in this season. I can't
wait for the season. It looks so good. How did
you find that instead of getting to know all these
people and trying to play the game against them, Oh.

Speaker 12 (42:25):
I found it quite amazing, Like I got to know
everyone and on a personal note, but also on just
being on the island, because that's all you've got is
your team, and you're not allowed to communicate with anyone else.
You can't even communicate with the other team. You can't
even communicate with the people behind the scenes. You're only

(42:47):
allowed to communicate with your team. So that was very challenging.
But also at the same time, it was really nice
because I got to know them on a whole other
level and it built like a family vibe because they
were I was left with, and you know, there was
different definitely different personalities. It was like there was clashing,

(43:08):
but for me, I was more of a supporter and
encouraging and I just wanted to give everything to go
and I wanted to get to know everybody because it
was definitely out of my comfort zone because I struggled
to trust people. So it gave me a new motivation
to be like, Okay, let's get out of your comfort
zone and let's get to know these people for who

(43:30):
they are.

Speaker 2 (43:31):
Oh, good on you, Good on you. How'd you find
the physical challenges that they throw at you?

Speaker 3 (43:35):
Oh?

Speaker 14 (43:35):
I love the physical challenges. They were my most funnest.
Like I, I was the one that always wanted to
give everything a go. I was just like it.

Speaker 12 (43:44):
I didn't really care about winning or losing. I all
I cared about was giving one hundred percent.

Speaker 2 (43:51):
And that's something that you're going to do on October
the twenty sixth, aren't you. This is so exciting that
you're able to challenge England's Alie Scottney for these titles.
How excited are you?

Speaker 3 (44:01):
Oh?

Speaker 14 (44:01):
I'm so excited. I can't wait.

Speaker 12 (44:04):
I'm like itching inside me and it's I want to
burst and explode and I'm just it's finally here.

Speaker 2 (44:09):
I was laughing once, was talking just before we came
on here. When I mentioned it, you just couldn't stand still.
You're just moving the whole time. So what do you
do now? How do you go about preparing for a
fight like this?

Speaker 12 (44:21):
So I've got to go overseas because there's just there's
no sparring or anything here. For me, it's quite hard
and everyone I just don't have that support here where. Overseas,
I've got more of a challenge for spiring and it
will definitely benefit me and up build my skills and stuff.

(44:41):
So that's the most challenging. So it was I was
quite stressed at the start. As soon as I found
out that I was fighting, I was quite stressed and
very upset and emotional because I was just full of
joy and pride. But at the same time, I was like,
how am I going to get there? Because we literally
have to do this all on our own and come

(45:02):
from our own pocket.

Speaker 14 (45:04):
So that was a stressful thing. But I'm lucky.

Speaker 12 (45:06):
I've got a lot of people who I reached out
to and are willing to support and back me.

Speaker 14 (45:12):
So I've got sponsors that are willing to swonsor me.

Speaker 12 (45:15):
But it ain't easy, because you know, that's the hardest
but is trying to get overseas and trying to get sparring.

Speaker 2 (45:23):
And that's stressful, right because you just want to focus
on the fight. That's what you do, right, That's what
you want to focus on but unfortunately, you know, you
don't have that. You can't. You've got to be thinking
about everything. Is this your biggest fight yet?

Speaker 14 (45:34):
Yes, this is my biggest fight.

Speaker 2 (45:36):
Don't want to put the pressure on, but it really isn't.
I mean, this could be a historic opportunity.

Speaker 14 (45:40):
Oh one hundred percent.

Speaker 12 (45:43):
That's all I've wanted is I've always wanted to unify
and be undisputed, and I want to be I want
to be that one that breaks the records.

Speaker 2 (45:54):
So how do you then keep the magnitude of this
opportunity kind of in check? How do you just focus
on the fight.

Speaker 14 (46:03):
I've just got a good I've got a good team.

Speaker 12 (46:06):
Yeah, I've got a really amazing coach and a manager
who really just always.

Speaker 14 (46:13):
Keeps me in line and on checks.

Speaker 12 (46:15):
And I have great family who just help me with
my children and they just allow me to focus on
my sport. But it's challenging because sometimes I've got to
work and try to juggle it all together.

Speaker 14 (46:28):
But we make it happen and I find ways.

Speaker 2 (46:34):
When you get to England, this is going to be huge,
this fight. There's going to be so much publicity around it.
You know, the fights themselves. Are these huge events and things?
Is that distracting or do you enjoy that? Do you
enjoy walking into that environment?

Speaker 14 (46:46):
I love it.

Speaker 12 (46:47):
I enjoy walking into that environment. Like I'm already prepared
and my focus is only the fight, so you know, I,
you know, I allow all the publicity just to come
and I know that's part of being an athlete. So
it doesn't bother me as long as I don't lose
focus off the fight.

Speaker 2 (47:05):
And then when you're in the ring, you know, obviously
there's going to be a lot of support there for Ali.
But that doesn't phase you either, does it.

Speaker 12 (47:11):
No, that doesn't phase me. Definitely been an overseas and
already had that. But I just focus on me, and
you know, the people that are foreign criticism, I just
smile away because you know, a dangerous fighter is a
happy fighter.

Speaker 2 (47:28):
Maya, You've had the most incredible journey to get to
where you are and the success that you've you know
that you've earned. What do you want people to take
from your journey? You know, I know that you've been
a victim of violence, You've you've been homeless, you're you know,
you've got your kids and things. What do you want
people to take from what you've managed to do.

Speaker 12 (47:50):
I want to I want people to know that no
matter what walk or life you come from, you are great.
You are amazing, you are beautiful and have a voice.
That's what I want people to know. And you know,
look at me and be like whatever, I've been through
that walk and it doesn't matter how bad you walk,
you can always get up and how badly are you

(48:11):
willing to fight? So that's it's a determination, and I
refuse to say no. I'll always challenge myself. If someone
says I can't, I'll be like, oh well, I'll prove
you wrong. And as long as I give it a go,
that's greatness.

Speaker 2 (48:25):
Because it's a really brief thing sometimes to say yes
to things, even when life is okay and good. Yeah,
it's really hard to do it when things are a
bit tough, isn't it.

Speaker 14 (48:33):
It is, And it's just for me. I just want
to normalize that it's okay not to be okay. Yeah,
it really is.

Speaker 2 (48:41):
How have you got to where you are? Who has
helped you get to where you are?

Speaker 12 (48:47):
My bod guess help and support has to be my coach.
Isaac Peach and Alena Peach They're definitely supported me back
to me and they have allowed me to be me.
My coach tells me all the time, you change for nobody,
you be you, and I've always held that and I'll
always remain me.

Speaker 2 (49:08):
What do you love about boxing?

Speaker 12 (49:11):
What I love about boxing is that it's very challenging,
but also it's taught me how to walk life. You know,
it's built confidence, it's helped me with my mental health,
and the biggest thing is it's really opened the door
for what I really want to chase, and that's fighting
for our next generation, allowing our kids to have a voice,

(49:33):
and that normalizing that it's okay not to be okay
for our kids, you know, giving that opportunity for our
kids to be who they are. We're always trying to
put these expectations on our children when really we're not
actually listening to them and allowing them to be what
they want to be and who they want to be,

(49:53):
allow them to be their identity and be.

Speaker 14 (49:56):
True to who they are, and support them in that.
We get so fixated and what we want for them
instead of what they want for themselves.

Speaker 2 (50:06):
And that's my biggest congregation. Yeah, absolutely, And what about
just boxing in general. Is it growing as women's boxing
growing in New Zealand.

Speaker 14 (50:17):
It's slowly growing in New Zealand.

Speaker 12 (50:18):
Woman's boxing not as quick as what I thought it
would be, but it is slowly growing. But overseas it's
a lot more bigger women's boxing, you know. So it's
a lot bigger overseas. But I'd love it to grow here.
I don't even want women to be fighters. I just
want them to have self love and self care where box,

(50:39):
and that's what boxing gives. It's a safe place to
lash your anchor and how to control it.

Speaker 2 (50:47):
Oh Miya, it's been so nice to meet you. I
really appreciate you coming through coun't wait to see how
you go on Celebrity Treasure Island. Really appreciate your time
this morning.

Speaker 14 (50:57):
Thank you for having me and.

Speaker 2 (50:58):
Of course best luck, best of luck for October.

Speaker 8 (51:00):
We will all be watching.

Speaker 2 (51:02):
This is terribly exciting. It is nineteen plust ten used
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Speaker 1 (51:08):
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Tomorrow night, seven thirty pm on TV in Z two,
and joining me now to talk entertainment is Steve Newell,
editor at Flix Start Code onn Z. Good morning, Good morning.
Can I just say the cast for this, I'm only
seen the first step. I've got to have a sneak
peek at the first step of Celebrity Treatren. It looks

(52:37):
like it's going to be such good season if you
enjoy your reality TV. It looks like she's going to
be feisty. But I love you. Have you seen any
of it?

Speaker 15 (52:44):
No, because I'm stuck in the double wamy of intellectual
or maybe, shall we say the abilities of comedians getting
tested and Taskmaster Simon Spelling vre there in that world
right now?

Speaker 2 (52:56):
Yeah, I reckon.

Speaker 15 (52:57):
I'll get up doors shortly.

Speaker 2 (52:58):
You'll be switching soon. Let's talk about the Netflix action
thriller Rebel Redge that I was really looking forward to seeing.
So I sat down afternoon. Yeah, no, no, no, I
really enjoyed it. I thought maybe plot wise we went
in a couple of circles. Who was the lead actor?

(53:21):
I loved him?

Speaker 15 (53:22):
Yes, So the lead actor in Rebel Ridges Aaron Pierre.
They've definitely uncovered a modern action star in the making here.
He's a British thespian, which you wouldn't believe, so little
narrative circle back rebel Rodge. This is an action thriller,
kind of cut from the First Blood mold, that sort
of old Western archetype of dude rides into town, runs

(53:43):
a fowl of the local corrupt cops. Turns out he's
got a bit more resilience and you know, a leamnes
and a certain set of skills up his sleeves and
it all kind of goes pear shaped, very very reminiscent
of the first Rainbow film, but bring a lot of
new stuff to the table, and particularly the dynamics of
racial policing and sort of over militarization of modern new

(54:06):
police forces.

Speaker 1 (54:08):
Yeah, he's great.

Speaker 15 (54:09):
I don't know necessarily where they found him. He was
the lead in Barry Jenkins Underground Railroad series.

Speaker 7 (54:14):
That's right.

Speaker 15 (54:14):
Is it a couple of like sort of like bubbling
under rolls in the States And here's such screen presence.
I loved this film, Francesca, like this is. I've been
hanging out to see it and it did not disappoint
me at all. It's from the writer director of Green
Room and Blue Ruin, which two of them like superior
action thrillers, and in particular, the sort of style of

(54:35):
action that we're talking here is quite grounded in reality.
Is it's not. It isn't Sevesto Slone, It isn't Ott.
I found it funny, thrilling, and maybe I do kind
of know what you mean. So I checked the time
while I was watching this film, which is usually a
really bad sign, but I was having a great time.
I was like, oh, wonder much longer has got to
go and had over an hour to go at that stage,

(54:56):
and I was thrilled because I just felt like I'm
getting all this bonus movie. I didn't think I was gonna.

Speaker 2 (55:00):
Yeah, you're gonna get Maybe that's just what happened. I
just thought, okay, cangle, I thought we kind of were
wrapping this up here. Oh no, we're back in again.

Speaker 15 (55:07):
And maybe it's a slightly unconventional structure that you kind
of feel like your third act is about to get underway,
and it kind of has a couple of those.

Speaker 2 (55:13):
Yeah, but you know what, I also thought this one
that should have been at cinemas, would have been great
on a big screen. And I think if it was
on a big screen, I wouldn't. I can get very
easily distracted at home. Steve, this probably won't surprise you,
but you know, you suddenly go, oh, God, make a cuppa,
so you pause it and you go and make a cuppa,
and that's not a good way to watch. So it's
probably my viewing.

Speaker 5 (55:30):
No, I really enjoyed it.

Speaker 2 (55:32):
I just thought I really loved it, and then I
just sort of waned a little bit near the end
that yeah, I mean worth catching.

Speaker 15 (55:39):
Maybe the kind of the evidence from me for why
it worked so well was I watched a screener of this,
like a watermarked screener on my laptop, and I couldn't
look away. So not you know, I'd fight tooth and
nail for the ability to see this film in a cinema,
but it still worked on that format, and that kind
of that kind of tells you something. Also should briefly

(55:59):
mention that Don Johnson is a fantastic corrupt small police chief.
I'm so great to watch. Yeah, look, I felt this
was a very very interesting and efficient film that kind
of updated that kind of archetypal.

Speaker 2 (56:14):
Yeahhn, I get that general. No, No, it's definitely worth watch.
That's rebel Ridge on Netflix. I can't believe this news.
So years ago you and I had a bit of
a chuckle over the Fire Festival, and everybody will remember
that this was this luxury music experience that was going
to take place on this posh private island and it

(56:36):
failed spectacularly, like it was just such a disaster. And
they made a documentary about it called Fire, which I
think it probably was on Netflix.

Speaker 15 (56:44):
I think, yeah, so that there's two documentaries about this,
and I think the one on Netflix is Fire the
Oh I can't remember the full title.

Speaker 2 (56:54):
Sorry, yeah, no, no, no, So there's a couple and
they're definitely worth watching because what happened here was it
was it was a spectacular fail. And what do I
see in the news this week? Oh yeah, hey, we're
back run by the same cocky entrepreneur that went to
jail for it last time.

Speaker 4 (57:11):
Yeah.

Speaker 15 (57:11):
But the thing is when he's come up with Fire II,
which tickets, Well, tickets are on sale, so presumably hopefully
the sold at least one ticket, because I think as
an event organizer, you'd you'd like to kind of move
that off zero.

Speaker 2 (57:27):
But I don't think he's got a location or so.

Speaker 15 (57:30):
The prices range from four hundred and ninety nine US
to seven nine hundred and ninety nine, but he doesn't
know where it's going to be, or when it's going
to be, or who's playing. Sort of digging into the
Wall Street Journal article that the sort of latest news
updates culled from there is the factoid that he began
planning the second incarnation of Fire Festival after being released

(57:53):
from jail this year. So he went to jail for
the failure of the event, but he said he devised
it during a stint and solitary confinement. So whether that
will improve or make Fire Festival worse is very hard
to say. It's hard to the cee any way of
making this event more of a spectacular failure.

Speaker 7 (58:11):
But I think that.

Speaker 15 (58:13):
The legacy of Fire Festival might be that some chump,
maybe Billy McFarland himself, thinks that he can monetize the
curiosity and can it happen again like people will people
people will pay to post themselves from a train wreck. Yeah,

(58:33):
and that might be the operating model.

Speaker 4 (58:35):
I mean it is.

Speaker 15 (58:36):
This has taking place in an environment where you know,
we're about to enter the summer music festival seas announcement
like you know, Rhythm and Vines and Rhythm and Alps
announcements are out for New Zealand. But it's an incredibly
tough environment for music festivals. And I know it sounds
like crimea river in Australia, which has a much more
clutter festival landscape than we do. A national body Creative

(58:58):
Australia commissioned to report that was published earlier this year
that showed that more than one third of festivals lose
he lost money in the last year and only half
of them are profitable. So it's pretty feels like the industry,
the festival industry is in a very delicate moment. I
don't know a fire too is going to be on
the right side of itay.

Speaker 2 (59:18):
I just say, it's like the gift that keeps on giving,
or it's like the festival that just keeps on giving,
right And I just say start rolling the cameras now
because it'll make another I just have a feeling it
will wake.

Speaker 15 (59:28):
Maybe Billy mcfarlan's is himself rolling the cameras right now,
and that's how this thing works. But mcfaralan said people
said people would be hard pressed to trust him for
a second go at Fire Festival failed.

Speaker 1 (59:42):
I think we might just leave it there.

Speaker 2 (59:45):
Anyone trusts him now they're idiots. Anyway. The film that
we spoke about Netflix Action Troller. It is a rebel
reg If you're looking for something to watch this evening.
Thank you so much, Steve Right. A pig has played
a groundbreaking role in advancing medical science. It underwent surgery,
which might not seem unusual until you learn that the

(01:00:05):
surgeon operating on the pi was actually nine three hundred
kilometers away. So doctor Michelderkinson was more on this story
next here on news Talks it'b.

Speaker 1 (01:00:16):
It's the Sunday session with Francesca Rudkin on News Talks
at B.

Speaker 2 (01:00:23):
And with our science study of the week. Doctor Michel
Dickinson joins us, Now, good morning, good morning. This is
fascinating the story because I think it's you know, while
what happened to the pig is interesting, I think the
implications of it are fascinating.

Speaker 16 (01:00:37):
It's poor little pig. So this little piggy in Hong
Kong went under some anesthetic and was surrounded by magnets
and underwent a surgery. And you might go, okay, pig's
undergo surgery I mean, it might not be that common,
but that happens until you hear that the surgeon was
actually nine three hundred kilometers away in Zurich in Switzerland.

(01:00:59):
And so this is the longest what they call Teley
surgery that has ever happened. And so I mean during COVID,
we sort of got into telehealth in healthcare where you
can phone up or video conference your doctor now and
you sort of get used to it. Okay, I can
do medical stuff over the internet over video calls, but
usually when you're doing surgery, you aren't your surgeon right there.

Speaker 2 (01:01:19):
That's that you feel a little bit bitner if they're
in the room with you.

Speaker 16 (01:01:21):
But Telly Surgery is thinking that I'm really fascinated about
because you have to have a qualified surgeon close to you.
That means and there's a postcode lottery here that says, basically,
are you lucky enough if you need a complex surgery
to live close to where there's a physical human who
can do what you need to be done. And so
Telly surgery is going to be an amazing revolution. And
so they were testing this and there's a few things

(01:01:44):
about this that I love. So number one, the big
thing about this study. And this study is published in
Advanced Intelligent Systems. If you want to read it, it's
open source. Got lovely pictures of all of the diagrams
of the pig and where it was, which is quite fun.
But basically it's a paper about this new type of
technology called robotic magnetic navigation. And so this pig went endoscopy.

(01:02:05):
So usually we'd put a tube down somebody's mouth, down
their throat to have a look inside, and it had
little grippers on it so you could take a little
biap so if it needed to. But this new endoscope
that they have invented just for this type of Telly
surgery is much thinner and it's controlled by magnets instead
of controlled by motor So usually you have a big
endoscope which if you put it down your throat you're

(01:02:25):
gagging on. They have to sedate people because they don't
try and choke on it. This one is a much
thinner system because actually it's controlled by magnets on the
outside of the body, and so it means it's much thinner,
and that's sort of the big thing about this paper.
So they put the endoscope in they were able to
maneuver their head around, and this person who's sitting in
Zurich is controlling it. This is my favorite part with

(01:02:46):
a PlayStation controller. So they've got a standard PlayStation controller,
they've funked it up and they're just going left, right, up, down.
I don't they press fire and jump and all of
the other buttons on there. But they controlled it with
the PlayStation controller, did all the things they needed to do,
and the pig was perfectly fine. But actually we're able
to show that there was with good internet, there was
only a three hundred millisecond delay between what the person

(01:03:09):
in Zurich was doing and what was physically happening in.

Speaker 2 (01:03:12):
Hard barely noticeable right now. But you raise an a
shoe there, Yeah, you've got slightly conviction. Yeah, you wouldn't
be going yep, that sounds like mate.

Speaker 16 (01:03:23):
So it's got to have at least five G capability,
and you know we're moving towards six G in the
next sort of twenty years, So that sort of high
speed internet has to happen because otherwise you don't want
to have a bit of a glitch. But the same
with self driving cars, like we're all waiting for the
next super high so Internet, Michelle.

Speaker 2 (01:03:41):
You know they've always said you can't go to Antarctica
and winter if you've got you know, you've got it.
They prefer people not to have an appendix because if
something happened, they can't.

Speaker 14 (01:03:49):
Operate on you.

Speaker 16 (01:03:50):
Now you could wow, yeah, I mean yeah, there's lots
of places you could have this happen if it's a system.
And so it's quite interesting from a future of measicin
point of view. Yes, you can go to Antarctic, but
also if you're thinking about places, you know where we
don't have that level of surgeon. There are some countries
that just don't have that sort of expertise, and so

(01:04:11):
is there a way that we can bring in this
magnet system to their surgeries and then be able to
operate remotely and with starlink now and being able to
have internet everywhere, we might.

Speaker 2 (01:04:21):
Be able to have that sort of speed.

Speaker 16 (01:04:23):
So this is a test of the speed and also
a test of this new type of magnetic robot navigation
system which proved to be amazing and the little pig
was fine.

Speaker 5 (01:04:32):
Work up.

Speaker 16 (01:04:32):
Didn't know that it literally basically broken through in sights
and for everybody who's going no no, no, we've done
this before. Telesurgeries happened before. It has We did have
a surgical robot on the International Space Station, which sounds
far away, but actually it was only four hundred kilometers.

Speaker 2 (01:04:48):
I thought I was doing quite well coming up with
that idea.

Speaker 16 (01:04:51):
So yeah, this is nine and three hundred kilometers away,
so way further than the International Space Station and really
a big step in science by inventing both a new
type of endoscope, but also relying on multiple technologies coming
together to be able to really give us hope. I
think about being able to operate in different places, on
different people, and really hopefully democratize some of the medical

(01:05:14):
healthcare that we might in the Western world have access to.

Speaker 2 (01:05:17):
Thank you so much, Michelle, appreciate it. It is twenty
one to eleven.

Speaker 1 (01:05:21):
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Sunday session with Francesca Rutkin and Wiggles for the best
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Speaker 2 (01:05:29):
Use talk Sedy and back with us this week as
our resident chief Mike vander.

Speaker 8 (01:05:34):
Alison, welcome, Thank you, good morning.

Speaker 2 (01:05:37):
Did you have an amazing time You're in Japan, won't you?

Speaker 8 (01:05:41):
Yeah, we went to Japan, almost almost three weeks over there.
It was insane. It was just like getting transported into
another time.

Speaker 14 (01:05:49):
Did you take the cab?

Speaker 7 (01:05:51):
Yeah, we did, we did.

Speaker 8 (01:05:52):
We took the kids and we arrived into Tokyo and
it just blew me away. It was like we were
transported into the future because here we are in the
train station, trying to make our way out of the
train station, and there's just hundreds upon thousands of people
all kind of dressed similarly, you know, like brown, I guess,

(01:06:15):
like blue sort of soup pants, white white suit tops,
or walking in sinc or walking in one direction and
we're walking the opposite way.

Speaker 6 (01:06:27):
You're not a mutle?

Speaker 2 (01:06:27):
Why now, Mike.

Speaker 8 (01:06:28):
Ohsande like Tokyo station. Tokyo train station feeds half a
million people every day, Isn't that insane?

Speaker 2 (01:06:40):
And I bet their trains are on time to the minute.

Speaker 8 (01:06:44):
It was beautiful, it was It was the first of
Advantage Bank. Beautiful country, beautiful people, and Tokyo was insane.

Speaker 7 (01:06:53):
It was just so busy.

Speaker 8 (01:06:54):
The skyscrapers are immense. You go out of that city,
you go up. We went up to Kyoto, absolutely beautiful,
slightly smaller. Each area had its own food unique to
that particular place. After Kyodo, we went over to Osaka,
which was kind of like the Las Vegas of Japan,
like bright lights. The place came alive at nighttime. And

(01:07:17):
then we went over to Hiroshima, which was just it
was quite moving, actually very very quiet. Everyone was.

Speaker 1 (01:07:26):
Everyone was calm, everyone was you know, it was.

Speaker 8 (01:07:30):
An air of stillness. We went through the museum, we
went to the memorial, and then back to Tokyo to
the most crazy roller coaster park in the world. If
anyone out there wants to go to a roller coaster park,
go to what they call fujiq. I went on the
first roller coaster and I was I was up for it.

(01:07:50):
I was going to go on all of them with
the kids. Yes, Dad's going to go on all of them.
I went on the first one, which was the highest
roller coast in the world, and I threw up afterwards,
and that was me done.

Speaker 12 (01:08:03):
Did the girls keep going?

Speaker 8 (01:08:05):
Oh yeah, they keep going. They went on the highest,
the steepest, the fastest, and the most revolutions in roller
coasters world like world records. Insane.

Speaker 2 (01:08:16):
I love it anyway, and look at the food. Tell
me about the food.

Speaker 8 (01:08:20):
It's incredible. And one piece of advice one gave me
before we went. They said, don't bother deciding where to go,
just go into the first door that you find and
the food will be excellent. And it was so true
because the food options and just the amount of eateries
is incredibly It's just so many.

Speaker 2 (01:08:43):
Overwhelming.

Speaker 8 (01:08:44):
Yeah, just overwhelming, Like no matter where you turn, there's
another moll, there's another more, there's another food strip. There's
fifty million restaurants. So you just walk in the first door,
you sit down. Google Translate is really really handy. And
you know, in Tokyo famous for ramen, so we had
lots of ramen, lots of noodles, and too, Kyoto was famous.

(01:09:09):
More so, Kyoto was famous for its fried noodle dishes
with eggs. And then down to Osaka, which was very
famous for its octopus spores.

Speaker 2 (01:09:18):
Oh, fantasy all of us. I love those octopuss Yeah,
once again, I'm getting hungry. Oh, it just sounds like
you had an amazing time. You know, it's lovely to
have you back, but I'm glad you had a great time.
Talk me through your beef noodle salad with citrus dressing.

Speaker 8 (01:09:33):
Yes, so this is obviously inspired by Japan. It's a
really really fast recie, so I run through it quickly.
So first we need to marinate the beef. I've got
three hundred grams of like scotch or sirloin. You could
use nitchell as well, it doesn't really matter. So what
you want to do is just marinate that. So take
your piece of beef, cut into big strips, check that
into a bowl, two tamespoons soy sauce, a garlic cloth

(01:09:55):
that's been peeled and crushed. I've got some corry and
the roots, so we're going to buy a carry and
the plant and the tops are going to use in
the salad. And the roots. Just cut them up, smash
him up, crush them up, and then tablespoon of olive oil.
That's your marinate for the beef. So chuck the bee
through that. Set that aside while that's marinate, and we're
going to make up a little citrus dressing.

Speaker 7 (01:10:15):
So I've got to mess.

Speaker 8 (01:10:16):
I pulled on a mortar and pestol for this be
You could easy just crush it up on a knife
and then add it into a bowl. So three mandarins,
cut them in half, squeeze add in two limes, cut
them in half, squeeze em in. Limes are still affordable.
The coriand of roots. If you've got any coryand of
roots left over, chuck those in full clothes of garlic,
a handful of mint leaves, tablespoon of brown sugar, three

(01:10:37):
tablespoons of soy sauce. Crush all that together. Add your
soy sauce. That's your dressing. Just allow that to marinate.
Take your steak out, get a barbecue or a cast
iron pan, extremely hot sere that offen too, it's you desired,
i'ld go medium medium rare, and then slice that up.
And then you're going to chuck the whole lot into

(01:10:58):
a pack of fresh ood on noodles. That's one thing
I found that they ate a lot with oodon noodles,
but they will cold. They wouldn't cook them. Well, they
were cook but they weren't heat it. So chuck them
into a bowl with some pack of ood on noodles.
I've got a cucumber that's just been peeled, cup of
counts that's been peeled, and some chili's if you want to,
and then the tops of your carrying de leaves pour

(01:11:18):
over your dressing. Mix it all together and that's a
pretty delicious beef noodle salad which will go with the
sun that's out finally, Yes, brilliant.

Speaker 2 (01:11:27):
Thank you so much, Mike. You can get that recipe
from Good from Scratch dot co dot inzed and we're
going to get it up here on our website. News
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Speaker 2 (01:11:48):
Joining me now to talk wellness is Erin O'Hara, Natropath.
Good morning, Good morning. Well you've got one of those
topics that we all love to talk about, diets and
with a low carbohydrate, high fat diets increase risk of
type two diabetes.

Speaker 17 (01:12:04):
Yeah, there's a really interesting study that has just been released.
It's actually a study that's been done over a long
period of time in Australia and they found that those
that follow a low carbohydrate diet, which they classify as
less than thirty eight percent of carbohydrates, had a twenty
percent increase of developing type two diabetes. Compared to people

(01:12:25):
who have had more than fifty five percent of carbohydrate
in their diet.

Speaker 5 (01:12:30):
And that's a really.

Speaker 17 (01:12:31):
Interesting thing because usually when someone has diabetes, the number
one thing that people would do is cut back on carbohydrates.
So it's interesting that the study found that it actually
increased the chances of getting type two diabetes, even though
we would usually use a low carbohydrate diet to manage diabetes.

Speaker 2 (01:12:49):
So do they know why that is?

Speaker 17 (01:12:51):
Well, it's interesting. It's actually more to do with the
high fat components. So if you're doing more a low
carbohydrate diet like a keto diet, which is low carbohydrate,
high fat, particularly saturated fat, then that would actually increase
sometimes people's body weight and cause more obesity problems, which

(01:13:11):
then would lead to more increase in type two diabetes,
which is very different if you're doing a low carbohydrate
diet and still sort of managing your calories and also
your amount of saturated fat you're having in that diet.
So there's different ways of doing low carbohydrate diets.

Speaker 2 (01:13:29):
You mentioned keto diet, There are there a variety. What
are the sort of low carb diets might we'll be
talking about here?

Speaker 17 (01:13:35):
Yeah, so low carb diet. Usually it would be a
keto diet would be high high fat, so your main
amount of calories that you're having is percentages from fats,
where you could do a low carver hydrate diet and
have a higher amount of protein, which is usually more
my favorite way of doing it. But also how you're
kind of eating, what types of foods you're eating in

(01:13:58):
that diet also affects how well it works. So usually
if you're doing a low carbohydrate diet, you would probably
have a better result for reducing your risk of type
two diabetes if you were keeping your amount of fat
low in it, so more having higher amounts of protein
to obviously not feel hungry because you can't just live
on low calorie vegetables, so having some more protein and

(01:14:22):
reducing their amount of saturated fats, and if you are
having fats in it, using more things like nuts and
seeds and avocados, which are more good facts for your body.

Speaker 2 (01:14:31):
Why people generally on a low carbohydrate diet is it
for weight loss?

Speaker 17 (01:14:36):
A lot of people do it for weight loss, and
it's interesting that there's real mixed research around weight loss
and low carbohydrate diets, and for some people it does work.

Speaker 14 (01:14:45):
Really well.

Speaker 17 (01:14:45):
But actually the amount of carbohydrate that's recommended in your
diet is between forty five percent and sixty five percent
of your calorie intake, which I personally think is quite high,
and I think it's about, you know, getting that balance right.
At the end of the day. It is really calories
and calories out. So if you doing a low carbohydrate diet,

(01:15:08):
you've still got to watch how many calories you're eating
across the day, otherwise you actually won't lose weight. So
it's about keeping that balance right. And then it's also
to do with the types of carbohydrates you're having, because
you can have more process carbohydrates things like sugars and
fizzy drinks and white bread and white flour, or you

(01:15:30):
can have carbohydrates which would have a higher component of fiber,
which is going to be a lot better for you,
a lot more manageable for keeping that balance right in
the diet, which would come from root vegetables and fruits
which are actually really good to carbohydrate sources, and that
would be more leading into maybe a slightly lower carbohydrate diet,

(01:15:50):
but more Mediterranean style diet, which would be my sort
of favorite way for managing sort of that weight as
well as keeping the regulation for insign regulation for reducing
your diabetes.

Speaker 2 (01:16:02):
Restoe just really quickly how much carbohydrates should be in
a balanced diet, which.

Speaker 17 (01:16:06):
Is a round between forty five and sixty five, but
I personally it would depend on the person forty five
sixty five percent of the total calories.

Speaker 2 (01:16:14):
So if you're not.

Speaker 17 (01:16:16):
Some people do really well on a higher carbohydrate diet,
so that's where it's very personalized, and other people actually
to better on slightly lower carbohydrate diet. And it really
depends on age race, how active you are, So if
you're really active, you're gonna need a little bit more
carbohydrate because you're going to burn it off when you
move your body and keep moving your body for burning

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the calories as well.

Speaker 14 (01:16:39):
Thank you so much.

Speaker 2 (01:16:39):
Erin, We'll catch up next week Gray Recover.

Speaker 1 (01:16:42):
It's the Sunday session with Francesca Rudgin and Wiggles for
the best selection of grape breeds used talks.

Speaker 2 (01:16:48):
It'd be up next and Nicka Moore joins us to
talk about her children's book, her latest theatrical appearance, and
there's a possibility there is some new music on the
way as well. It's going to be very very exciting
chat and good catch up. I don't think there's anything
that this woman can't do. Pretty much ticked everything off
the list, so looking forward to talking to a nikmar Next.

(01:17:11):
Taking us to the news is dreams in my head.

Speaker 1 (01:17:33):
It's Sunday. You know what that means. It's the Sunday
Session with Francesca Rudkin and Wickles for the best selection
of great reeds used talk sip.

Speaker 2 (01:18:00):
Good morning, you're with the Sunday Session. I'm Francisca Rudkin
with you until midday now, I'm not caught up with
a Nika Moore a couple of years ago, although it
does seem like just yesterday, but apparently it was a
couple of years ago. You left your job in radio.

Speaker 18 (01:18:13):
I'm back here now.

Speaker 2 (01:18:14):
You're back, Welcome back. You finished my introduction. Sorry, And
at the time, Anica was looking to live life on
her own terms and find some smaller creative projects. And
I think she's been rocking that goal because she's been
hugely busy. There is a children's book, The Witch of
Muckatou in stores now. She's also working in theater, and
I've heard a rumor that there is more music on
the way, which will be very exciting, and she's here

(01:18:35):
to tell me all about it.

Speaker 18 (01:18:36):
Good morning, and Na, good morning. It's so weird being
back here because I used to work downstairs.

Speaker 14 (01:18:42):
And I, you know your producers are you tracking?

Speaker 7 (01:18:45):
And I'm oh, you do.

Speaker 14 (01:18:47):
But the thing is is that I.

Speaker 18 (01:18:48):
Loved working in radio. I just couldn't work underneath with
a boss.

Speaker 2 (01:18:53):
But that's my near neurodiversity.

Speaker 18 (01:18:55):
So I'm thriving as a parent because I took a
bit of time off to just to be a mum.

Speaker 14 (01:19:01):
I just wanted to be a mum.

Speaker 18 (01:19:02):
And then I just started writing again. So I've written
a song for a new adult album. I've written this
book from the Watchmaka two and the Bleeding Lambs. And
I'm about to be an actor in a play called
Peter Pan. We started rehearsals last week and the directors
auditioned me for a one role, and then they gave
me a non speaking role. I don't think they realize

(01:19:25):
I can act. So now I speak Gaelic and I'm
a meronmaid. Can I sing a lot?

Speaker 2 (01:19:31):
We'll get to that in just a moment. Tell me
about the children's book, because this is the first book
you've writtan.

Speaker 18 (01:19:37):
It's the first of three, and it is the first
book I've written and published. I've written many children's stories
in my head and told my kids' stories every night,
but this is the story. It goes on from the
Watchamuka two that I sing about in my songs for
Bubba's albums, And she's just a hopeless witch. She's hopeless.
She just can't do anything right. And it's about her.

Speaker 16 (01:20:01):
You know.

Speaker 18 (01:20:01):
She's got tendy, tender, juicy morsels or lambs. She's got
like eight of them, six of them, and they just
bleed all night, keeping her awake. So she has to
come up with a cunning plan, an very evil plan,
to pretty much shut them up.

Speaker 2 (01:20:16):
And that's where the story goes.

Speaker 18 (01:20:18):
She goes on a venture.

Speaker 2 (01:20:20):
I know that, I know that there was a few
publishers who were very keen for you to write a memoir.
Did you go? That might take it a little bit
too long, But I've got a children's book of me.

Speaker 18 (01:20:33):
I don't like autobiographies, right. I think that when you
write about your life, you're also bringing other people into
your life, and I don't I think that's disrespectful because
I think you'd want everyone to be on the same
page as you. But I like the idea of novels.
I like the idea of making up stories that sort

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of are about you, but not about you.

Speaker 1 (01:20:56):
So I like that.

Speaker 18 (01:20:57):
And my whole life is a memoir, you know, albums.
When I'm raising out there, it's all out there, but
not for a show for creativity's sake. Because when you're
a creative person like me and a but you know, crazy,
you tend to come up with some wild, far out
things and it's lovely.

Speaker 2 (01:21:17):
And is that why you like entertaining and writing for children,
m because you can exercise that.

Speaker 8 (01:21:23):
Yeah.

Speaker 18 (01:21:23):
And it's also a way of therapy as well, and
making getting people to laugh and making people happy. And
it's that people pleaser in me that wants to be
the best I can for my kids and for audiences
so that they can go home and get that warm,
fuzzy feeling or be offended by me, which I've had
emails and people going, well you offend me that day,

(01:21:44):
I'm like.

Speaker 14 (01:21:44):
Oh, sorry about it.

Speaker 2 (01:21:48):
Now tell me about playing the Mermaid. So this is
this is in the upcoming Auclard Theater Company's Peter Pan
Have you done much theater.

Speaker 18 (01:21:57):
The last play I did was in the seventh form
at Hornby High School when I was eighteen.

Speaker 2 (01:22:02):
I'm so brave of you to say yes to this.

Speaker 1 (01:22:05):
Is it brave or is?

Speaker 2 (01:22:05):
I think it's.

Speaker 18 (01:22:07):
Another step into taking a risk, And I don't really think.
When they offered me the part, I was like, I
can't act. I can't do this, I can't learn lines.
I can't. And then I'm like, you know what, try.

Speaker 1 (01:22:21):
Try and do it.

Speaker 18 (01:22:21):
Because you love the thrill of live audiences, you love
entertaining people.

Speaker 2 (01:22:26):
That's a good point. You're used to a live audience.
Ye see, I'm not that's my problem.

Speaker 8 (01:22:31):
I can't.

Speaker 2 (01:22:32):
Yeah, absolutely fine here in studio great, but I'm a
bit terrified of a live audience. Okay, but acting is
a lot harder than people think. Like everyone, a lot
of people will look at the TV and just or
you know, anything, just anyone could do that, and it's
not I died on Shortland Street in a plane crash
many years ago with Kirsty and Lionel. They gave me

(01:22:53):
three lines. I think they cut them all. Yeah, so
I just died. I think they thought that's all we
can do with this sension. I found it very hard
to make it look natural, sound natural. It's just it's
a lot more difficult when you're put in this sort
of manufactured This is talking about television, you know, and
people are filming you when you sort of it's just
I couldn't do it. It just I just have to

(01:23:15):
go at ding.

Speaker 18 (01:23:16):
I'm not an experienced actor, but one thing I find
is if I just take away the ego, take away
and just not think, just don't think too much. Yeah,
if you overthink it, you'd start mucking up your lines.
And I like improv. I like, you know, so when
I went for my first rehearsal, I improv. And so

(01:23:37):
they're writing a script around my amum, okay great, and
then I have to learn a few lines, but they're
all in Gaelic.

Speaker 2 (01:23:42):
So right, yeah, and how is the Gaelic coming alive?
And even read the sky k this is going really well?

Speaker 6 (01:23:54):
Have you done?

Speaker 2 (01:23:55):
I suppose some of your TV shows is a slightly
old ego of yours. It's funny because a lot of
people are like, wow, you're nuts. I have I have
Paul Kess writing my scripts. Everything I do is scripted,
except for all the rude moments. And silly moments, so
he scripts everything. Everything I'm saying is scripted, so it
is kind of acting. Yeah so that, Yeah, maybe I

(01:24:20):
am an actor. I think you are. I claim it.
You're going to be in an Auckland Theater Company production. Yeah,
you absolutely are. Yeah, I'm started to own that. Ye
tell me about the music that you're writing.

Speaker 18 (01:24:34):
Well, I've been seeing a therapist for five months, every
single week, and I'm going to see her, she's amazing,
for another year and a half. And what comes out
of those sessions are a lot of trauma, a lot
of PTSD, all that kind of stuff, very personal, and
I just go home and sit at my kitchen table
and write music. Now and the kids are at school,

(01:24:54):
they're old enough, and so I've written these songs that
are very, very very sad and very very Anka Moorish
Circle to two thousand and one. I'm taking it back
to simplicity and not thinking too much about who my
audience is, because I feel like my audience is me

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and this is part of my therapy and people that
listen to it. When it's recorded and out, I think
it will gel with a lot of Manawahine and a
lot of people who struggle with looking at themselves in
the mirror and accepting themselves. Because I may seem like

(01:25:39):
a really happy, go lucky you know out there, wild lady,
I'm sensitive.

Speaker 2 (01:25:44):
I've got a lot of.

Speaker 18 (01:25:47):
Self doubt and self hatred, all those kinds of things.

Speaker 2 (01:25:50):
You know we all do, right, we all do.

Speaker 18 (01:25:52):
So I'm trying to spin all of that into my
music so that I can heal myself and hopefully heal
other people.

Speaker 2 (01:26:01):
I did about five sessions of therapy last year, maybe
when I was just needing a bit of help, knowing
how to support somebody else in my life who needed
some help. And you know, we do therapy for lots
of different reasons. And do you know what I thought
to myself, I see why Americans go to therapy all
the time. This is so good, you know, I seeing it.

(01:26:21):
If I could afford to, I'd absolutely be in here
regularly like it was. It was just so beneficial.

Speaker 18 (01:26:28):
Well, because I think a lot of mothers, especially or
you know, we give, give, give, We don't.

Speaker 14 (01:26:35):
We put us our flass.

Speaker 18 (01:26:37):
We have our cold coffee, we eat the cold food.
And this is an hour where we get to be
listen to because no one listens to us. I mean,
my kids don't listen to me half the time. You
need therapy just having kids.

Speaker 2 (01:26:54):
I'm so excited to hear what you're doing because after,
you know, the last time we spoke you'd left radio
when you were talking about wanting to do smaller creative projects.
I feel like where you're at now, it's good. It's
where you want to This is where you wanted to.

Speaker 18 (01:27:08):
Be, a society place, this is, this is I mean,
I'm still running around like a like a turkey. Yeah,
you know, school drop offs, pick up that sports bloody
bloody blah. But I'm doing exactly what I want, when
I want, and it's brilliant and I'm so stoked that
the Auckland Theater Company saw something in me. I'm stoked
to be riding again and I'm just can't wait for

(01:27:28):
summer so i can get a tan.

Speaker 2 (01:27:30):
Are you enjoying the variety?

Speaker 5 (01:27:32):
Yeah?

Speaker 18 (01:27:32):
Yeah, it's fantastic. It's it's lovely because it's not the
same every day.

Speaker 2 (01:27:40):
Sorry about that. Well, I guess you also now have
that time and space to be creative.

Speaker 18 (01:27:47):
Yeah, yeah, pretty much.

Speaker 2 (01:27:49):
That makes a difference too, it doesn't it.

Speaker 18 (01:27:50):
Yeah, but it's a bit harder to pay the mortgage,
but I've just got to get on with it.

Speaker 2 (01:27:56):
Basically. There's always that trade off though, right, Yeah. Hustle hustle,
Yeah yeah, And we spend a lot of time focusing
on the hustle.

Speaker 19 (01:28:03):
Yeah.

Speaker 18 (01:28:04):
I find the hustle really exciting. And it's like, I
don't know what I'm going to do next year. I've
got a couple of gigs, book, but I don't know
what I'm gonna do. Maybe I'm gonna write another book,
who knows.

Speaker 14 (01:28:13):
And I love that.

Speaker 2 (01:28:15):
I love that. Insecurity, Do you have the time to
focus on your health though, too? I mean, obviously I'm
just mentioned about the therapy because that's really important as well,
isn't it.

Speaker 1 (01:28:22):
Yeah.

Speaker 18 (01:28:23):
No, I You're out walking every day, trying to eat
as many vegetables as I can and keeping on top
of my diabetes. And you know, last night I went
to a food patrol gig and it was way past
my bedtime. But Julia's a really dead friend of one,
and Anna Colington and I were like in the back
sweating with our perium minimum pausing symptoms. I kept on
going for wheeze and I was like, oh God, this

(01:28:45):
music's too loud. It's too hot in here.

Speaker 2 (01:28:50):
So I had time, you know, with my friends. But
oh it's hard trying.

Speaker 18 (01:28:55):
To be young, and you know, I was dancing and yeah,
but every time I danced, I was like, oh, Nina,
did we you know?

Speaker 12 (01:29:01):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (01:29:02):
Oh, Anika. It's always pleasure to catch up with you.
And I'm really pleased to hear that things are going well.
And I can't honestly, I can't wait to see how
the Mermaid Queen goes. You have to come in the production,
see it and be some of luck with the book.
And we have a signed copy of The Witch of
Mucketou and the Bleating Lambs to give away. All you

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and Anieka to ninety two ninety two. It is nineteen
fast eleven.

Speaker 1 (01:29:35):
Leep, It's simple. It's Sunday, the Sunday Session with Francesca,
Rudgat and Wiggles for the best selection of Gravers News Talks.

Speaker 2 (01:29:43):
Edb Yes, it is time for the Sunday Session panel
and joining me today we have a resident economist and
op's partners Ed mcnight, Good.

Speaker 20 (01:29:52):
Morning, Ed, Francesca, good to speak to you.

Speaker 2 (01:29:55):
And journalist, TV producer and commentator Irene Gardner, Hi, Irene.

Speaker 21 (01:30:00):
Well, a good morning to you.

Speaker 2 (01:30:02):
Good to have you both here. He look, I spoke
to David Seymour this morning and we were talking of
out the little pushback against the Grocery Commissioner's recommendations, and
you know, I kind of I said to him, Look,
I know that you want you've got long term plans
to open up the competition, but maybe we should be
looking at some short term plans to open up the competition.
But you know, the Minister didn't really agree with me.

(01:30:26):
To put it simply ed, how do you feel where
do you sit on this with the Grocery Commissioner making
some recommendations and whether they should be sort of taken
up by cabinet.

Speaker 20 (01:30:36):
Well, I guess the big question is whether more rules
lead to more competition or less competition. So I listened
to that interview and was thinking, well, how do you
get a pathway forward?

Speaker 8 (01:30:46):
And I think I've got a.

Speaker 20 (01:30:47):
Potential solution for your Francesca. I reckon that if the
Grocery Commissioner wants to bring in a new rule, then
before he puts that rule in place, he should come
out and tell us all what it's going to do.
How much is it going to low grocery prices or
what's it actually going to do for us? And then
a year later we should look back and see where
it worked or not. And if it didn't work, if

(01:31:09):
the new rule didn't get the results he told us
it was going to get, then that rule should automatically
be taken out. And that probably is a nice happy
medium between what the grocery Commissioner wants and what David
Seymour wants, which is basically say, hey, look, I don't
want the grocery Commissioner coming out making a whole heap
of rules that don't end up working for us.

Speaker 2 (01:31:27):
Well, and that also prevent other players wanting to come
into the market because of all the regulations. And I
got his point there. I understood what he was what
he was implying there, that we don't want more regulation
to put off more competitors. Your thoughts are in.

Speaker 21 (01:31:44):
Yes, similar, I mean it isn't It is a really
important area because you know, let's face it, there's not
much more that impacts you know, not much that impacts
the household budget more than grocery prices. And that comes
particularly in sharp relief when you know, times are tougher,
so I can understand why it's quite a lot of

(01:32:04):
political focus in this area. And I have no issue
with getting a commissioner, which seemed to be one of
the things that David Sema was saying maybe what the
need is. But I think it probably is quite a
good idea having the commissioner. I don't really feel that
I personally know enough to work out exactly where you
will put the line between rediation, you know, and you know,

(01:32:28):
encouraging competition versus potentially accidentally stifling it. But I think
it's probably quite good that we're having a discussion because
I suspect between what the report says and what David
Seymour is saying, I think, you know, I think, as
Ed said, we'll end up somewhere in the middle ground.
I think, and I think it's a discussion worth having

(01:32:49):
because we need to work at what is best, what
does work best. I mean, David made some fair points
I thought about. You know, you can sometimes with best
intentions of these things, you can end up having unintended consequences.
So I think it's there that it needs a bit
of thought and a bit of care. But yeah, hopefully
between the two different forces that might land in the
right place.

Speaker 2 (01:33:09):
I like your solution, though, ed, and it would be
really great if there was a sort of an uptake
on that for various different actually ideas that we have
across various different sectors as well, if they were things
that could create short term change. I mean, if it's
something you know, I like your solution. But as long
as it's not something well ect, you'll see the difference
in five years. There's no point measuring in one. But

(01:33:31):
sure there's quite a few things that we could apply
that to.

Speaker 20 (01:33:33):
Actually, well, I think that should happen for almost all
bureaucrats is every time there's something we don't like in
New Zealand, we all think, do you know what we
need to take action and we need another rule. But
I think often rule makers aren't honest enough with the
public and saying, well, here is what we expect the
rule to achieve and over what time frame. Now, if

(01:33:53):
they set out rule clear guidelines in advance of here's
what we want to do, here's why we want to
do it, here's the impact we think it's going to
have and over what time frame? And actually, if we
don't see those results, we're going to take that rule
away so that we're not overburdening the country with too
many rules. And I think it'd be really good of

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both politicians and filmmakers were that honest with the public.

Speaker 2 (01:34:17):
What you've just suggested their it is that they give
us details which we.

Speaker 20 (01:34:20):
Are not an accountability. Can you imagine that, Irene?

Speaker 2 (01:34:25):
Do you have any concern over celebrity's influence on public health?
The story about al Macpherson talking about her cancer journey,
you know, caught the attention of quite a few people
who said, look, it's people are totally entitled to make
their own decisions around their health, but when you decide
to publicize them, there is a responsibility to make sure
they're explained in context.

Speaker 21 (01:34:47):
That one did worry me. It always worries me when
someone talks about, oh, I didn't have my chemo or
my this or my that. You know I did this
because I hate to say this, but that's often followed
by a story a couple of years later where that
throughson has died. Because you know, I'm not saying that
natural healing can't help, but sometimes you need to throw

(01:35:07):
the whole everything at things. And I think El's comments
we're misleading because of the type of pre cancer condition
that she had and various things. But I think what
does happen that ends up counts balancing It is that
the conversation then begins and people come out and say, hey,
be careful, da da da. So I think on balance,
when well known people do talk openly about medical things,

(01:35:31):
generally speaking, it is a good thing because you know,
I know of situations where a well known person talked
about I don't know, a prostatus shoe or something, and
some man thinks, well over to go and check that,
and the next thing you know, they've found something small
and all as well. And I know when Kevin Melne
had his issues and you know, with health issues, he
talked very openly about it and that helped a few people.
So I think, on balance it's a good thing when

(01:35:53):
well known people talk about these things and get it
out there. But I think you do have to be
really careful when you start to getting into natural healing
of cancer these things along those lines.

Speaker 2 (01:36:05):
No, I think you're absolutely right, Ireen. I think there
is a role for celebrities to pay for making people comfort,
warning people about things, making them feel less alone in
things I mean, I don't think I'm speaking on behalf
of both of you, but Ed, I don't think either
of us would make a decision about our health based
on what a celebrity did. I think we'd all probably
listen to our doctor, wouldn't we.

Speaker 20 (01:36:25):
Yeah, And that's for two reasons. You've got a lot
of survivors bias in this story, and that we only
hear about this story because she decided not to go
down the traditional medical route and it worked for her.
Now what you won't hear is all of the stories
of people who perhaps went down a similar route and
unfortunately it didn't work out so well for them. So

(01:36:45):
we've always got to be very careful in filtering out information.
And I was just out for breakfast with a friend
discussing this, and she was saying, when you hear about celebrities,
and especially Al Macpherson, you've got to remember that they
are speaking from a huge position of privilege where they
can afford And I'm not even making this up. I
think it was thirty two or thirty four doctors that
she could consult with, and for the last forty years

(01:37:08):
she's probably been eating the best food, seeing a personal trainer,
a couple of times a week, if not more, being
able to pay for the best yoga and any other
treatments to help her get healthy. Now, that's not going
to be available for most people. And so you've always
got to remember that what worked for a celebrity isn't
necessarily going to work for someone who's a more normal

(01:37:30):
person like us three, where you've got more of the
stresses from everyday life and less money.

Speaker 2 (01:37:37):
I mean, you wouldn't. You wouldn't make decisions based on
what a celebrity settle did, would you, Irene, Well.

Speaker 5 (01:37:43):
I wouldn't.

Speaker 21 (01:37:44):
But you know, obviously, if something triggered someone to go
and get a check for something.

Speaker 2 (01:37:49):
That's a good, good thing, yep.

Speaker 21 (01:37:51):
But yeah, no, it can also be a bad thing.
I mean, the pastic example was Jenny McCarthy in America
with all her stuffling kings that seems to autism and
that did so much harm for so long, and you know,
is still still hard to get people through. Just won't
go there.

Speaker 2 (01:38:08):
Thank you for bringing that up. I ring, Now, are
we really boring? Apparently we have the earliest dinners in
the world. When we go out, we have the earliest
last order. Generally, our kitchens are sort of done and
dusted by about eight thirty in the evening, I rain,
what's the latest night you've had it recently?

Speaker 21 (01:38:27):
I barely leave my sofa.

Speaker 17 (01:38:28):
Friend.

Speaker 21 (01:38:31):
I'm very pleased to hear, though, that I'm a trend
because I've always wanted to eat my dinner early, and
my friends have always teased me about it. But so no,
I'm part of a trend now.

Speaker 17 (01:38:44):
But isn't it?

Speaker 21 (01:38:45):
I mean, you know, I'm not a person of great stomach.
It's much basically a digestion to eat earlier.

Speaker 2 (01:38:51):
Well, people who are sort of on the intimittent fasting
or like to have a you know a period of
time where they don't eat, yesip for them, they're eating earlier,
and it is good to digestive food before you sleep
in things.

Speaker 1 (01:39:01):
Is it?

Speaker 2 (01:39:02):
Is it a health issue or we just we just
tied ed?

Speaker 20 (01:39:06):
You want to go to beauty Look, I recently turned
thirty one, and I could tell you it's because we're
tired and we want to go to bed.

Speaker 8 (01:39:13):
It with sick of going out late.

Speaker 20 (01:39:15):
But I'd say probably the latest I've been out of
seven thirty is my usual time. I think the latest
would have been about nine pm, and it's actually quite
difficult to get a table at nine pm these days,
even in Auckland because, as you said, a lot of
places close their kitchens around eight thirty thirty one, Ed.

Speaker 2 (01:39:32):
Irene, I feel I feel quite young. And Chipper is
he hearing Ed talk about at thirty one that he
you know, can't.

Speaker 8 (01:39:37):
Go out already? Yeah?

Speaker 7 (01:39:39):
No, I love it.

Speaker 2 (01:39:41):
Thank you both so much for joining me. Ed McKnight
and Irene Gardner. It is twenty eight to twelve News
Talks at B.

Speaker 1 (01:39:50):
It's the Sunday session with Francesca Rudkin on News Talks
at B.

Speaker 2 (01:39:57):
We can sport by Frank just just wait till you're
introduced it. I'm so keen to get on here, you
lucky people. Dazzy Watergrave is with you at midday for
weekend sport. What do you make of the rugby? This
morning will be lost?

Speaker 22 (01:40:12):
So I think God, I got to say that the
spring Box are a fantastic rugby team. First and foremost.
We can rip on the All Blacks and you can
they couldn't score points and blah blah. At the end
of the day, the World champs and they playing fantastic
spring Box side, and you cannot take that away from it.
That'll be merely mouthed.

Speaker 2 (01:40:33):
I think no, absolutely. I woke up last week with
the storm, so I decided to get up and watch
the game at three o'clock. And someone's family member said
to me to day, are you going to get up
at three tomorrow morning? I no, I reckon it'll be
the same game or just last week. And in a way,
we go into the lead at halftime, we finished the game,
haven't been able to pull it off, so in a

(01:40:53):
way slightly similar, I had to.

Speaker 22 (01:40:55):
Get up, watch it and then keep preparing after that
as you do. So I'm got so much coffee in
my system right now. May have a massive coronary on here.
We'll see how we go tell it to you. Allison
caught up to them at the end of the game,
so we'll talk to him about what they saw, what
they wanted, what worked, what didn't work, what next.

Speaker 2 (01:41:18):
Elliott said to me this morning. I asked him, did
the bench work better this week? And he said, no,
what do you think of the starting lineup on the bench.

Speaker 22 (01:41:25):
I'm interested in the application of the bench. Maure's the
point when you looked at Throll lomax and you got
penalized toward the end, you believe it. You know what,
eight to go and he's off for ten.

Speaker 1 (01:41:37):
To me, he was gassed.

Speaker 22 (01:41:39):
And when you're tired and you're a prop, you're going
to make mistakes like that. And he made a mistake.
There wasn't deliberer that was There was no malice in that.

Speaker 1 (01:41:47):
He was tired.

Speaker 22 (01:41:48):
And I think that Fletcher Knew should have gone on
a lot earlier. So how they balanced the bench and
how they work buden Barrett looked good when he came on,
until Brown look good when he came on. But that
bench balance is so important. And when you're dealing with
the team that really understands how to apply their their

(01:42:08):
bombsqu we had no bomb diffusal squad. Unfortunately, how they
work that bomb squad and I think that gets in
their head towards the end. So here we go again,
Here we go again. That's that's four games on the trot.
Now the spring Box have beaten the All Blacks. Now
is this reminiscent of the All Blacks and their heyday?

Speaker 1 (01:42:26):
I think it is. I think it is.

Speaker 22 (01:42:28):
We're getting a bit of our own medicine back.

Speaker 5 (01:42:29):
We don't like it very much.

Speaker 2 (01:42:31):
No, we don't so many talking points here this afternoon,
and I'm sure that listeners will be calling with their thoughts.
Wonderful to hear. You've got Anna Grimaldi on the show
just after one.

Speaker 22 (01:42:40):
Well that was so good because at the end of
the game, man, I'm sitting out of there going, yeah,
this is I leave sitting and said, I'm going to
cheer myself up while I'm doing this prout but the
coffee I'll turn on the paralympa.

Speaker 7 (01:42:51):
Whoa, whoa.

Speaker 22 (01:42:53):
That was spectacular and it wasn't just a wins the
field ball, it's that did so well. So yeah, Anna
grimod is going to join us and tell us about
that because she lost to long jump Crown and that
must have been devastating for her to get up.

Speaker 1 (01:43:06):
She was the queen.

Speaker 22 (01:43:07):
Yeah, and the two hundred meters that she hasn't raced
for quite some time broke her foot last time she
raised to two hundred meters to come out and do
what she did there and the look on her face
and she was running up the back straight one.

Speaker 8 (01:43:21):
I don't god strake.

Speaker 2 (01:43:22):
Bot No, she does that every time. I love watching
her because the joy of performing comes out in her
like she just lets it out and before, as you say,
before you just cross the finish line. How can you
not just sort of feel joyful for her when you watch?

Speaker 22 (01:43:34):
That's sport, isn't it. That's why we play sports joy
although watching the All Blacks I don't so yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:43:41):
Maybe sometimes great day for Tasman MPC too, like huge yesterday.

Speaker 22 (01:43:45):
There's a couple of Tasmanians. Can I call the man
from Tasman Tasmanians. That's not really fair, is it. There's
a couple of blokes and Tasman in the office and
they have been walking around with their outgoing year. And
we're being joined by Campbell PaRappa, who kicked the winning
penalty from forty five forty six for it to be
fifty five meters by the time this goes down in history,

(01:44:07):
to win the game, to grasp the game out of nowhere.
So he'll join the program, providing he's gotten over his hangover,
which is there's nothing clever or smart about drinking ladies
and gentlemen. But after winning a shield, I'd say he'd
be a bit crunched, just to be fair, So I'll
have a chat to him about that. And Dame Sophie
Pasco joins us after two o'clock to summarize what's been

(01:44:29):
maybe not the most winningest Paralympics, but such a wonderful
occasion and looking at the crowd. I don't know how
much of it you watch, but it was so well
attended and the excitement around the reverberation. Talk about love.

Speaker 3 (01:44:42):
It was all over that game, so.

Speaker 2 (01:44:44):
Lovely, brilliant. Thank you so much, Darcy, Darcy, we'll be
back at.

Speaker 22 (01:44:48):
Jale's going to join the shell as well. Talking a
bit of cricket. Why wouldn't be sorry, I can't stop.

Speaker 2 (01:44:52):
Well, make sure he drinks no more coffee before he
is with you at midday. It is twenty to twelve.

Speaker 1 (01:44:58):
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Speaker 2 (01:45:07):
To talk zb and join me right now is Meghan Singleton,
Good morning.

Speaker 5 (01:45:12):
Good morning, Francesca.

Speaker 18 (01:45:13):
So there was a really.

Speaker 2 (01:45:14):
Interesting response this week to the tourist tax for international visitors,
and especially a really interesting reaction from those within the industry,
tourism industry.

Speaker 19 (01:45:27):
Yeah, and so I asked my friends over at New
Zealand Travel Tips or MZTT. They run a Facebook page
and they've got over one hundred and twenty thousand people
on this Facebook page, most of which are internationals looking
for tips on visiting New Zealand. Right, So I thought,
let's see if we can run a poll asking those

(01:45:48):
people who are looking to come to New Zealand what
they think about this new levee. So just a bit
of background, This new environmental fee is which is levied
at the time that an international visitor buys the New
Zealand visa, So it doesn't affect Australians or people from
the Pacific or Kiwi's returning home. It affects everyone who
comes from countries where they need to buy visa, and

(01:46:10):
that has been thirty five dollars per person and that
is due to go up to one hundred dollars. So
I wanted to know because I thought that's a shocker,
and I didn't think we had the luxury, honestly in
New Zealand, of making more barriers for tourism because we're struggling,
let's face it, on getting all our tourism back to
our pre COVID levels.

Speaker 5 (01:46:30):
So they ran this pole for me.

Speaker 19 (01:46:32):
Over one thousand people responded, and of those thousand, over
five hundred will be potentially paying the fee. They're either
planning to come to New Zealand or they've already booked.

Speaker 5 (01:46:43):
So here's the stats.

Speaker 19 (01:46:46):
A whopping eighty three percent said that fee will not
stop them from visiting New Zealand, ten percent said it
might affect them choosing New Zealand, and seven percent said
it would.

Speaker 7 (01:47:00):
And so I was.

Speaker 19 (01:47:01):
Astounded by that. I mean, that's straight out of the
horse's mouth, right, these are people who will be levied
this fee. Go yep or good?

Speaker 8 (01:47:11):
We get it.

Speaker 19 (01:47:12):
We know that rate payers shouldn't have to pay for
all the infrastructure that tourists get to enjoy. And did
you know, by the way, that if a tourist has
an accident here acc will cover them. I don't think
we knew that.

Speaker 2 (01:47:26):
I'm not just straight off. Is it as simple as that?

Speaker 19 (01:47:29):
Well, I need to look into that, because that there
was a lot of conversation. So if you want to
have a look on the Facebook page, it's called NZTT
or New Zealand Travel Tips, go there, look get amongst it,
because there are people asking questions all about New Zealand.

Speaker 5 (01:47:45):
Where shall I go?

Speaker 19 (01:47:46):
Where's the best place for this?

Speaker 3 (01:47:47):
And that?

Speaker 19 (01:47:48):
And lots and lots of Keiwis are on there given
great helpful advice. Even if you're just looking to go,
you know, somewhere in New Zealand, you'll get some great answers.
But that's where I saw this whole thread of discussion
around the ACC.

Speaker 7 (01:48:00):
I need to look at it now.

Speaker 2 (01:48:02):
Eighty percent it won't stop them. That is really good
to hear, because you're right, that's what we didn't want
to happen. We didn't want it to be putting off
anybody else wanting to come to New Zealand. We want
to get this tourism back up to speed. And yes,
we've spoken about it for years about how we want
a different kind of tourist. But and you know, I'm
sure that those slightly more wealthier tourists that we're trying

(01:48:24):
to appeal to it won't be a problem for them
to pay. But also change my mind, now, you don't
want it in people's minds. Oh no, it's getting really
expensive to go there.

Speaker 19 (01:48:34):
Yeah, well, I think we pay it everywhere else, don't
we We pay for visas here, there and everywhere. We
pay to go into a national park in America. You know,
you don't have to hear, so I think those people
get that and so and that's all included, so I guess.
And also, what's fifty dollars New Zealand's about sixty us
on the whole scheme of things. That's nothing, isn't it

(01:48:55):
for a tourist who might be here for two three
weeks a month?

Speaker 14 (01:48:58):
Thank you so much?

Speaker 5 (01:48:59):
Fascinating?

Speaker 2 (01:49:00):
Yeah no, and thank you Megan for organizing that little
survey there, and to New Zealand Travel Tips facebook page
for doing that for us very much. Appreciate it. That's
really interesting. Actually, I don't know. I think it is
slightly higher than I thought it would be. Congratulations to
Kate Travis. You are now the winner of the Anika
Mob book. So we will make sure we get that

(01:49:22):
out to you. I'm sure that you and your family
are going to love it. It is a thirteen to
twelve newstalks.

Speaker 1 (01:49:28):
Thereb books with wikles for the best selection of great reads.

Speaker 2 (01:49:35):
Time to talk books and I'm joined by John McKenzie.
Good morning, Hello, What have you got for us today?

Speaker 23 (01:49:40):
My fiction today is a book called The Instrumentalist by
Harriet Constable, which is historical fiction set in Venice in
seventeen hundred and four and it centers around an orphanage
called the Dalla Pietra, which is an interesting building. It
has a slot in the wall and women who have
babies for which they are unable to care come along

(01:50:02):
and they post their little babies through this hole in
the wall through to the nun who then bring them
up until adulthood. Remarkable story, and it's true, it actually happened,
and it's girls in this orphanage and they pretty famous.
I was going to say world famous, but they're certainly
very famous at the time because they had an extraordinary

(01:50:23):
girl choir which was renowned around the world. And this
young girl, her name is Anna Maria. Her mum posts
her through the slot. The nuns bring her up and
at the age of eight, it's recognized that she has
a prodigious talent for music. She's an extraordinary violinist and
she can write music, and she develops an ambition to
become the greatest violinist and composer that Venice has ever seen.

(01:50:47):
And Venice at the time was a real center for
the arts. And her tutor is Antonio Vivaldi, who, of
course we will know from at least the Four Seasons,
and he was accustomed to the limelight and being the
most famous violinist in town, and wasn't best pleased when
a young girl came along who might use heurper. But
some of the premise of the book is that it

(01:51:10):
is entirely possible that it was actually Anna Maria who
wrote the music for which Vivaldi took credit, which is
really interesting. It's a bit of a theme in books
these days. We talked about the Jodi Pico recently about
how it may not have been Shakespeare who wrote the
plays in some of the Sonnets, So there's an element
of that in this. But it's beautifully done. Anna Maria

(01:51:31):
has synesthesia, synesthesia which is where in sound you can
see colors, and so the way that the story is
told is very lyrical and colorful, and it's set against
the backdrop of Venice at the time, which was a
really interesting city back then. So you've got the canals
and the bridges and the people who inhabit the city.

(01:51:51):
There's quite a bit about the street women, clearly because
they would be very often the uses of the Orphanage's service,
but also the aristocrats. Ani Maria during her time with
the Daughters of the Choir, she played and sang I
believe in front of I think it was Casanova and

(01:52:14):
one other really famous person whose name escapes me, but
certainly there was a reputation fantastic.

Speaker 2 (01:52:20):
I like that idea of just the re imagining history
a little bit, or just questioning in the narrative that
we have over something.

Speaker 5 (01:52:25):
Yeah, it's beautifully dumb.

Speaker 2 (01:52:27):
Now I'm very intrigued to hear your thoughts about a
very French affair by Maria Hoyle, because quite often we
hear of people taking off on what sounded like quite mad,
crazy adventures, and it's always interesting to find out how
they turn out. Yes it is, isn't it.

Speaker 23 (01:52:40):
You read it and you think, my gosh, what a
brave woman.

Speaker 2 (01:52:42):
Ah, she's a New Zealander. She was in her sixties
not so.

Speaker 23 (01:52:46):
Long ago, when she was using online dating trying to
find a good partner. After far too many that weren't
met a guy who at that time lived in Nelson.
She was in Auckland. They had I'm going to say
something like three dates. There weren't very many, after which
he said, well, actually I own a mill on the

(01:53:08):
water in a village in France, and I'm going back there,
so why don't you come and live with me? And
she decided to pack up her life and go and
live with a man she hardly knew in a small
French village. Well, Francesca, you know what could possibly go wrong.
So she finds herself in France, and of course they're
two different people there. You know, they're on in life,

(01:53:30):
and as you live you develop your own idiosyncrasies and
ways of doing things. And they tried very hard to
respect each other's ways of doing things, but it was
quite difficult. She got there and discovered that he was
a bit of a motor head. He was right into
rally driving and motorbike racing. And she found herself at
an event where, you know, the reek of petrol in
the air, which was complete anathema to her. And of

(01:53:53):
course she had peccadillos that he then struggled with that
she says at one point in the book, it's a
curious thing to embark on an adventure, to hurl yourself
headlong into it, to tell the world and yourself, look
at me, throwing caution and postcodes to the wind, only
to realize that the thing that you crave most of security.
So I'm not going to give you the spoiler and

(01:54:14):
tell you how it ended, but what I will say
is that she said that she wanted to write a
love story, and she did. I just don't think it's
the one that she thought it was going to be.

Speaker 8 (01:54:24):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (01:54:24):
So this is a bit like a travel log. It's
also a love story. It's a memoir. It's a year
in Provence, a year many years on There we go
a very French affair by Maria Hoyle and also the
Instrumentalist by Harriet Constable. Thanks so much, Joan, we'll talk
next week.

Speaker 1 (01:54:40):
See then, keep It's simple. It's Sunday, the Sunday Session
with Francesca Rudkin and Wiggles for the best selection of
Greg Reas news talks'd be.

Speaker 2 (01:54:51):
Thank you so much for joining us this morning here
on the Sunday Session. Thank you to Carrie for producing
the show. Darcy Watergrave is up next Worth a weekend
sport and I know there's going to be a lot
of talking points from the All Black South Africa game
this morning, so he will be keen to hear from you. Hey,
next week on the show, I have got best selling
author Leanne Moriarty joined me. You know, she's written Big

(01:55:14):
Little Lies and about nine books, all of which have
been turned into TV shows or films. We're going to
find out as well with a sequel to Big Little
Lies as coming. So really looking forward to having her
on the show. And two Raw Sisters. They've produced a
fantastic cookbook called More Salads, and as much as my
children hate it, we are living out of that book
loving it. We're going to finish the hour with a

(01:55:35):
little bit of Jimmy Hendrix. It has been announced that,
for the first time ever, an authorized feature link the
documentary about the life of Jimmy is in the works.
Hendrick Steed in nineteen seventeen. This is the first time
his estate has given permission for a documentary to be made.
I can't wait, so all along the Watchtower, We'll take
us to the news. Enjoy the rest of us Sunday.

Speaker 14 (01:55:56):
See you next week.

Speaker 1 (01:56:28):
For more from the Sunday Session with Francesca Rudkin, listen
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