Full Show Podcast: 6 October 2024

On the Sunday Session with Francesca Rudkin Full Show Podcast for Sunday October 6 2024, Dunedin Mayor Jules Radich updates us on Dunedin Floods, Director of Otago Palaeogenetics lab Nic Rawlence talks about Sir Peter Jackson de-extinction funding, Honey Hireme-Smiler discusses her new book, and much more!

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Speaker 1 (00:06):
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Speaker 2 (00:12):
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Speaker 3 (00:26):
There's no better way to start your Sunday.

Speaker 1 (00:29):
It's the Sunday Session with Francesca Rudkin and Wiggles for
the best selection of Greg breaths used Talks EDB.

Speaker 2 (00:38):
So the America's Cup Finals are almost here at last.
Any Us Brettannia of course booked the final spot against
Team New Zealand after beating Luna Rossaprador and the Louis
Veruton Cup final. They won seven to four. The British
will be thrilled to have made it after a close
and exciting series with Luna Rossa looking so good in
the early round robins and pushing the competition to its limits.

(01:02):
That the series was so hard fought was important because
of the competition that only thrives if the races are
close and the pressure is intense, so it feels a
real shame that at the end of the Louis Vuitton Cup,
Jimmy Spittle announced, I really think about the end of
the line now. I think this will be it for me.
It's probably time the gloves are hung up. Spittill can

(01:26):
retire whenever he likes, obviously, but it's a big loss.
I was surprised at how sad I felt about it.
The America's Cup needs characters like Jimmy. He's the sailing
legend we love to hate. He was, of course, part
of the Cup's greatest ever comeback story in twenty thirteen,
when he mastermind Oracle Team USA's remarkable comeback against Emirates

(01:50):
Team New Zealand. Down eight one, Spittle led Oracle to
eight consecutive wins. I know we're alreadliving it right now
as I say this. An't we securing the title in
a dramatic, unbelievable fashion. Man, he was cocky, but you
had to admire his self belief, competitiveness and fearless tactics.

(02:11):
Like many kiwis My twenty thirteen rage it, his spittle
has over the years turn to respect. I'm always interested
to hear what he has to say. About the Cup,
the boats, the regatta, as he's wonderfully upfront and candid.
So the Cup has this week lost an impressive team
and an impressive player. Spittle's departure feels like the end
of an error. He suggested the physical and emotional toll

(02:33):
was behind the setback. But how soon will it be
before he ends up behind the scenes on one of
the teams? How good would he be as a race commentator?
Oh next weekend we actually we get to the actual
Cup after a long winded regatta, which has peaked to
my interest some weeks, while other weeks it's just completely
passed me by. But regardless of what I think about

(02:55):
the Cup, where it's held, how it's run, I will
be truly invested in Team New Zealand when the Cup
kicks off next Sunday, New Zealand time. There is little
in sport more exciting than watching the starff of these races.
And while a result of races is sometimes decided by
who wins the start, we've seen enough to know that
anything can happen out on the course. It's been four

(03:16):
years of hard work for Team New Zealand. Let's hope
it's all been worth it.

Speaker 3 (03:21):
Bring it on the Sunday session.

Speaker 2 (03:25):
So you're all engaged yet with the America's Cup with
you bit like me? You sider only really getting on
board now that we're at the business end. A lot
of keywis have told me they're not interested, but I reckon,
come this Sunday, We're all going to get on board.
I'd love to hear from you can text ninety two
ninety two Up next we head to Dunedin for an

(03:46):
update post rain and find out just how good the
Whitecatto woman's rugby team and now the Fara Palmer Cup
champs A feeling today that's coming up shortly. It is
eleven past nine. You're with the Sunday session.

Speaker 1 (03:57):
Deep it simple, It's Sunday the Sunday Session with Francesca
Rutgerter and Wiggles for the best selection of graverys news talk.

Speaker 2 (04:05):
Said be Newstig ZB fourteen past nine. Dunedin is in
recovery mode after the wettest day in over a century
led to evacuations and a state of emergency. Multiple properties
have already been red stickered due to extensive rain damage.
Many roads remain clothes and floods have caused landslides across
the region. Dunedin. Madules Radditch is with me now, good morning,

(04:29):
Thanks for your time.

Speaker 4 (04:31):
Good morning.

Speaker 2 (04:31):
How are things looking now? The rain has stopped. I'm
presuming the rain has stopped.

Speaker 4 (04:35):
The rain has stopped, the sky is blue, the sun
is shining, so you can imagine what difference that makes
just the people's general demeanors and outlook certainly does.

Speaker 2 (04:46):
So, yeah, how's the cleanup going.

Speaker 4 (04:49):
Steadily? There was actually quite a lot of cleanup conducted
yesterday and there'll be more today. So there's been people
going around picking up the sandbags, and we're probably a
bit early yet for picking up contaminated items from households
for those that get with and there's yet we have
no indication or data on how many houses did get

(05:13):
water inside them.

Speaker 2 (05:16):
So we just yeah, one day at a time, really
at the moment, isn't it Jill? So what is your
advice to the locals who may have water damage inside
their homes?

Speaker 4 (05:25):
Well, you know, obviously in the first instance, you can
talk to theirs. A first instance, talk to the insurance
coming yep, and you know, navigate your way through that.
There is support from MSD for people that need that
and there is support from Presbyterian Support as well. So
Presbyterian Support has their offices in the more a place

(05:49):
in the center of town, so they're probably contactable both
phone today, but certainly they'll be open tomorrow for anyone
that needs support and help. And there are a lot
of volunteers out there working today but also who have
made themselves available to generally help with the cleanup. So

(06:10):
the one thing that is you know, absolutely very gratifying
about this whole business is the Cortant community support has
been outstanding.

Speaker 2 (06:20):
That's good.

Speaker 4 (06:21):
There are lots of people ready to help out here,
help out others.

Speaker 2 (06:24):
And Jules, you kind of implied there that at some
time in the very near future you will be collecting
damaged goods off the side of the road. Is that
is that what the council's planning on doing if people
are having to get rid of as you say, water
affected carpets, furniture and things like that.

Speaker 4 (06:42):
That's right, Okay, So how are we're going to do that?
I mean it's early for it's Sunday, yeah, and the
have been you know, mannering the emergency center which has
stood down now and so you know they sa they've
been very busy. The Critical Council staff have all been
involved in that, So I think I'm certainly not going
to be making any announcements about that today, but you know,

(07:05):
Monday is plenty early enough to be dealing with that.

Speaker 2 (07:08):
It's just good for people to know duels that it's coming,
that that is coming, because you do kind of look around,
going what nearth am I going to do with all this?
I've been through that experience. There are reports of food
shortages due to road closures. What kind of supports in
place for this?

Speaker 4 (07:24):
Well, there's a lot of work being done on the
various road closures, and I am not sure where you're
referring to in terms of that, because Peninsula Roads are
open and the road down West Harbor is closed, and
I just can't imagine how they'll be food shortages because

(07:44):
you know, that's not the only roads state Holy AA
is not the only road to put Chambers. So there's
Upper Junction Road, there's now Cargo Road, and then there's
the motorway, so you know it's feasible to go across
Kennelly Road and used to take the motorway into town.

Speaker 2 (08:00):
Nine properties have already been redsticked are you expecting to
see more?

Speaker 4 (08:07):
Probably not. There was you know yesterday I was fifty inspected,
so all of the ones that are seemed most at
risk were looked at. Most of those properties are because
of slips, so that you know, you know you've got
significant land movement, and so sometimes some of those properties
will still be intact and may be able to be

(08:29):
reoccupied at some stage in the future, but they are
in danger because of proximity to slips and so on.
So you know, there's a whole lot of additional assessment
required on those properties before a final answer is made.
But I don't expect there to be anymore because the
number of fifty was relatively early in the day yesterday,

(08:51):
so work would have carried on in that. There may
even be further inspections today. And you know, the threat
to safety and human lives is number one priority, so
people will have been inspecting properties throughout you know, yesterday
and again today.

Speaker 2 (09:08):
Jewels. Are there many people without power?

Speaker 4 (09:12):
I don't know of any. Okay, there may be some
in some areas, but I have had no reports of
power outages ind in the city. Certainly there's been power
problems out in smaller communities more distant from town. Yes, no,
I haven't heard any in town reports.

Speaker 3 (09:31):
Jewels.

Speaker 2 (09:31):
How catastrophic has this been for the city.

Speaker 4 (09:37):
Well, relative to twenty fifteen, the last big one, I
think it's not so much, not so catasphoric catastrophic. There's
been a lot of water. And what it's pointed out
is that with the system, the system that we do
have for stormwater, the storm water system we do have

(09:57):
because it's been tuned up of recent years and it
is working well. The pump's war working, The gutters and
drains were flowing and the mud tanks were clean, so
it got rid of the water very effectively, which is
which is indicated by the fact that the water level
went down markedly yesterday despite the fact it was raining

(10:19):
all yesterday afternoon. The floodwater levels were lowered quite a lot,
so the pumps were working well and continuously. But what
it does show is that we need more pumps and
more pipes. We need a significant leap forward and the
amount of infrastructure available to deal with stormwater.

Speaker 2 (10:40):
Jules, what's the most important message for people in need
of help at the moment?

Speaker 4 (10:46):
Sing out for it. You know, if you need help,
just sing out for it. I mean, there's the DCC
line four double seven, four thousand people can contact there,
and you know the DCC has contact, you know, is
in touch with a great number of the volunteers are
out there helping, so that's a good point of reference.

(11:06):
Call center, so there's always someone going to answer your phone.
Sometimes it might take longer than expected, but you will
get an answer and it will be logged into a system.
So every call that you make there is recorded and
logged into a computer system so it will be dealt
with them.

Speaker 2 (11:22):
Got to eventually very pleased to hear that the blue
sky is out today, Jeels. Is there any more rain
expected over the coming days and.

Speaker 4 (11:30):
Not to my knowledge, to be honest, I haven't checked
a forecast, you know. Well, though I looked so bright
and bright and pleasant out there, you know, I'm thinking
more of well, I'm about to get out and go
and have a tour around the city just to check
on the various areas, because I had a really good
look yesterday morning and lots of areas were deeply flooded

(11:51):
on the street. And then I went back yesterday evening
and many of them were the ones that I had
been to in the morning, the water level was dropped
by quite a bit, thirty or forty centimeters lower, So
that told me that the pumps are working well. In
the morning, had already had checked on all the pump
outfits and they were flowing perfectly. But the thing is

(12:15):
the pipes and pumps were overwhelmed. We've got more rain
than what we can deal with. So the obvious answer
is we can't change the rain and the likelihood is
that there will be more rain events. So we've got
to have more and better pumps. Because south of Edin's
a bowl, the water accumulates in the bottom. We've got
to fix that. There's a few factors in that, and
one of those is that we have purchased Fourburry Park

(12:36):
for that purpose. And there's a range of other things
to do, and I've got a four part plan and
I'll be looking to get that implemented over the coming
months and years.

Speaker 2 (12:48):
Oh, Jules, thank you so much for your time. Take
care down there. That was Dunedin Jewels, Radditch.

Speaker 4 (12:54):
Grab with cover.

Speaker 1 (12:54):
It's the Sunday session with Francesca Rutgert and Wiggles for
the US talks.

Speaker 4 (13:01):
Be right.

Speaker 2 (13:02):
Whycutter held on to beat Canterbury in a thrilling final
of the Fara Parma Cup yesterday. The team's closed out
the first half at seventeen all and met each other
almost point for point throughout the second, but it was
Waikato that edged the Red and Blacks twenty seven to
twenty five. Here's the final moment with Graham Mead falls there.

Speaker 1 (13:21):
It's gonna go and it's gonna be Canepia.

Speaker 3 (13:25):
Leep, wea kicks it out.

Speaker 1 (13:26):
And the game is over.

Speaker 5 (13:28):
Whait hiatowm the FPC champions twenty seven points to twenty five.

Speaker 2 (13:35):
Oh, probably enjoying hearing that again. It's Waikato FPC coach
James A simple here is with us this morning? Good morning?

Speaker 3 (13:42):
Oh you there?

Speaker 2 (13:42):
Joe?

Speaker 6 (13:43):
Oh good then young good?

Speaker 2 (13:45):
Thanks? How does it feel to be far ah Farmer
Cup winners?

Speaker 7 (13:51):
Oh honestly, just so proud of the girls and what
we achieved the but still an emotional day like Jess made.

Speaker 8 (14:03):
Hell of that.

Speaker 2 (14:05):
Came up one of the Hey James, your line isn't
so great. So I'm going to get Tyra to try
and call you back because really want to talk to
you about the game, because it was crazy close and
there were really good crowds there as well, So really
keen to hear from James. We're just going to see
if we can get him on a slightly better line,
and we'll talk about we'll head back to that. We'll
see it was just you know, you want your rugby close,

(14:28):
you want it competitive. That was a game that ticked
all the boxes. Hey, a little bit later this hour,
we're going to talk to someone about palaeogenetics, because I
was really intrigued yesday read about the story about bringing
the Dodo bird back, and I'm not sure we need
the Dodo bird back. I say, thing got the pictures

(14:50):
of the Dodo bird. Interesting bird not necessarily bring back
for esthetic reasons, but a lot of money and time
and effort has been been is going into trying to
bring these animals back, and I'm just wondering if there
was a scientific reason as to why this would be
an amazing thing to do. So talking about that later
in the hours as well. But James is back with
us now.

Speaker 7 (15:10):
James, Hello, Hey, sorry about just driving up.

Speaker 2 (15:15):
It's all right, that's much better. I am sure that
there was a good celebration last night, was there?

Speaker 4 (15:22):
Yeah?

Speaker 7 (15:23):
I don't I probably can't count how many beers I had,
but we definitely had a good night. Yeah, it's really good.

Speaker 2 (15:29):
What a game I mean, there were several swings in
momentum between each team. Were the nerves high?

Speaker 7 (15:36):
Oh, honestly it was. It was honestly horrific. It was
like one of the most emotional games that have ever
been a part of them. Like credits to Canterbury they
know how to play in finals, and yeah, just so
proud of the girls of how we I guess got
through those momentum swings and then eventually came out on top.
But yeah, it was definitely a tough match and I

(15:57):
guess credits to what a final should be.

Speaker 2 (15:59):
Well, it came down to getting every little moment right,
didn't it.

Speaker 7 (16:04):
Yeah, for sure, And like we definitely I think in
that first half we were trying to win it straight
away rather than just going moment to moment is what
we talked about. But yeah, we sort of just we're
trying to rush it and things like that, and then
I feel like we adjusted really well at half time
and then came out and yeah, lucky enough to get
across the line at the end.

Speaker 2 (16:25):
I was going to ask what was said at halftime
with the score at seventeen.

Speaker 7 (16:28):
All, yeah, I was sort of just what I said there.
It was just like just be in the present. I
feel like we were just trying to get to the
eighty minute mark or trying to get to the future
the end result. It was just like control what we
can in that moment because that's all that matters. So
we just really talked about that and then going back
to our game, which has been direct creating fast rucks

(16:49):
where I feel like we were just going wider but
too early, not earning the rights and creating that space.
And yeah, I feel like we made that adjustment pretty
well in the second half. Still could have been a
bit sharper, but that's wine was footy, you know, pressure
those funny things. Yeah, and you do things that you
don't really talk gooboal to have trained for. But yeah,

(17:09):
I guess for us to come out on top and
take those learnings throughout the game was pretty impressive by
the girls.

Speaker 2 (17:15):
Second ever Fara Palmer Cup for Waikato. How does it
What does it mean to the team?

Speaker 7 (17:22):
Oh, yeah, it means a lot. Like lots of these
girls have been there from the starts and they've played
a lot of games. So when we first sort of
started out, we'd sort of get pumped, and then we've
just built over time, taking learnings and for us to
do this for our region and hopefully inspire the next
generation is yeah, just immensely proud, and yeah, we want

(17:45):
to try to create a legacy, and I guess that
this is the first step towards doing that.

Speaker 2 (17:49):
How was the crowd turned out?

Speaker 7 (17:52):
I think we had two thousand there, so yeah, in
the semi we had nine hundred, and yeah, we wanted
to make a big posh for the final because yeah,
sort of, as I said before, we want to create
a legacy. So if we thought we could get some
young girls there and they can witness us winning on
our lands in front of our people, it's going to
create that hunger and that drive to want to be
a part of that Jersey in the future. So for

(18:15):
us to get that turnout, and the fact so much
the Waker Araby for sort of promoting it and the
way they did, and to get two thousand there, and man,
they were passionate. It was so loud of just so
many cow bells, and I think they honestly that crowd
helped drive us home.

Speaker 2 (18:28):
In the end, Well, thank you for the great game
and the tense entertainment.

Speaker 7 (18:34):
I don't know, I want to thank the girls for
how strictly that was. But yeah, just so crowld that
we got out there at the end. But yeah, I
feel like we'll probably aged ten years in the last
twenty four olds.

Speaker 2 (18:44):
Oh James, hey, thank you so much for your time
and enjoy the rest of your Sunday. We appreciate you
taking a moment to talk to us. That was the
waycoto FPC coach James simple there who as he says,
age ten years yesterday watching that final. Politics is up next.
It's nine twenty nine News tooksip.

Speaker 1 (19:04):
It's the Sunday Session with Friend. I'm Jessica Rudkin on NEWSTALGSB.

Speaker 2 (19:10):
And it's time to talk politics. And I'm joined by
a New Zealand Herald political reporter, Jamie Inza.

Speaker 9 (19:14):
Or Hi Jamie, Hey, good morning, thank you for being
with us.

Speaker 2 (19:19):
Let's talk school property. First up, the government is going
to mull over how to respond to this report finding
significant issues with the management of school property works. Really,
all schools want to know is is my project going
to go forward? Is it going to go ahead?

Speaker 8 (19:35):
Yeah, one hundred percent. There's a bit of murkiness around
that at the moment. Just to take you back to February,
government set up this Ministery Inquiry to look into the
school property system because there was just a large number
of cost escalations and projects where there wasn't really a
value for money approach quite clear. So the government's got
this report back and on Friday says that it shows

(19:55):
that there was a significant and unsustainable gap between what
schools were being told to expect when it came to
their school works projects. You know, we're talking to likes
of new classrooms and new office bill and there's a
big gap between what they were told to expect and
the actual amount of money that there was there for
those new works. So there are about four hundred and
eighty eight projects and only one hundred and fifty three

(20:18):
of those were fully funded. Now, my colleagues ask the
Minister of Education, Erica Stanford, about whether all of those
projects will go ahead, and she said that she was
committed to them, but the money is going to have
to come from future budgets, so we don't know when
that's going to happen. It might be next year, it
might be further down the track and how much money

(20:38):
will actually be allocated, we don't know. And you obviously
understand the government's been talking about this really tight the
school environment. So how much money they're going to be
able to allocate that's up in the air at the moment.

Speaker 2 (20:50):
Yeah, because the timeline's important. There's too many schools who've
got classes and libraries and binary in various other places
that they'd like to resolve.

Speaker 8 (20:59):
Yeah, and they'll just be looking for that certainty and
unfortunately the Minister's been unable to give it to them
right this stage.

Speaker 2 (21:06):
Hell, I just can't stay out in the news when
it comes to tobacco products, independent advice in smoking.

Speaker 8 (21:18):
Doesn't it does. She's this first term New Zealand verse MP.
She only was elected to parliament and ox Ober last
year and she became a minister straight away, and ever
since then it seems like she's been just embroiled in
some sort of scandal with regards to how she's going
to approach smoking rates. And the latest development is around

(21:40):
heated tobacco products. This is seen by the government as
a potential alternative to the normal, normal what we think
of as smoking and the governments provided what was an
effective tax cuts to these types of heated tobacco products,
and that was despite official advice finding that there was
no real compelling evidence that these devices actually helped stop smoking.

(22:03):
So Costello this week released a whole bunch of what
she's calling this independent advice, which she said informed that
decision to provide a tax cut. But some of the
opposition parties have been looking at it and says, well,
it doesn't actually support those products in the first place.
The material is mostly overseas studies and how spokesperson for
the Labor Party, Asha Veraal said, actually a lot of

(22:26):
it is irrelevant to a New Zealand context, so you
can't use that to inform cabinet's decision to provide a
tax cut. So yeah, Cascello is in a lot of
hot water at the moment and Labour says she should
be sacked, but the Prime ministers holding firm on this
line and says that he still has confidence in her.

Speaker 2 (22:40):
Jamie, is it just a matter of a first time
minister with quite a lot on their playton, maybe not
the support they need to know how to be communicating
and doing their job, or are there are some issues
there are some proper serious issues with the information that
we've met given.

Speaker 4 (22:55):
Well, yeah, I.

Speaker 8 (22:56):
Think at the start when she first came into office
and there were some issues around how she was responding
to Official Information Acts requests. There's probably you're right, something
to say about the fact that she was a first
term MP and she had been elevated to cabinets straight away.
But these stories just keep on coming. So the Prime
Minister is going to have to eventually really responds to it.

(23:17):
It's going to have to probably sit down with parents, say,
you know, are you up for this task? Are you
engaging with the material when your cabinet briefings correctly? And
that's what Labor is really going after. They're saying she's incompetent,
she's not putting the right information before cabinet, and ultimately
Labor saying that's going to have a poor impact on
our ability to bring down smoking rates.

Speaker 2 (23:40):
The Prime Minister finally moved into Premier House, he sold
his Willington apartment and that I seem to get an
awful lot of attention. I don't know why, but the
conversation about capital gains tax arose again.

Speaker 8 (23:55):
Yeah, So nearly twelve months after becoming Prime Minister of
the Crystal Ucklin has finally moved into Premier House and
The Herald revealed this week that as he was doing so,
he had sold his apartment in the Kate Shepherd Complex
opposite Parliament. It's pending settlement at the moment, and it
then came out that he was making probably a couple
of one hundred thousand dollars off this sale, and that has,

(24:19):
like you said, raised this question of you know, should
he be paying tax on This is a capital gains tax.
So under the current law, which we call a bright
line test, if you sell a property that isn't your
family home in under two years, you have to pay
a tax. Now, Christopher Luxin's had his apartment for about
four years, so there's no problem there. But what is
interesting is that when Labor was in office and it

(24:41):
was the government, it raised that time period to five
years and then to ten years, and when National came
back into office last year, it brought it back down
to two years. So if the Coalition government hadn't have acted,
if it hadn't brought that time threshold back down to
two years, Luckxson likely would have had to have paid
a bit of a tax on his apartment sale. Now,

(25:02):
no one is suggesting that the law was changed to
help the Prime minister. Nationals always supported that two year
test and luxe and selling his apartment was because he
needed to move into Premier House. That's recignited that capital
gains tax debate, and I'm sure that when Parliament returns
from recess, the Opposition the MPs will be looking to
take aim at the Prime Minister over that sale and

(25:24):
the lack of tax he's paid on his apartment.

Speaker 2 (25:26):
Jamie, thanks so much for your time this morning, and
enjoy the rest of your Sunday. Hey, don't forget that,
honey Hittermy Smith smiler.

Speaker 4 (25:33):
Sorry.

Speaker 2 (25:34):
Our sportswoman and commentator is with us out to ten
to share her incredible story, which she has turned into
a memoir. It's twenty one to ten.

Speaker 1 (25:41):
Sunday with Style, the Sunday Session with Francesca Rudkin and
Wiggles for the best selection of great reeds.

Speaker 3 (25:49):
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Speaker 2 (25:51):
The Sunday Session. So Peter Jackson has invested ten million
towards reviving extinct animals. The money was given to a
startup in Texas, Colossal Bios. Sciences, no one for trying
to bring back long extinct animals like the dodo bird.
Associate Professor and director of the tago A Paleogenetics Lab,
Nick Rowland's is with me now.

Speaker 10 (26:10):
Good morning, Nick, good morning, Thanks for having me on.

Speaker 2 (26:13):
I'm so intrigued by this story. Do we need the
dodo bird back?

Speaker 10 (26:18):
Much as it would be lovely to have a dodo
like walking around our backyards and mowing our lawns, we
don't need it back. There's much more of a critically
endangered species out there that the money would be much
better spent saving them from extinction.

Speaker 2 (26:37):
Because it sounds like a great idea, right, It sounds
a bit like a movie, Nick, But I was wondering
if I was missing some scientific significance of being able
to do it. If we brought the dodo bird back,
would we learn anything like? Do we get anything out
of it?

Speaker 3 (26:55):
No?

Speaker 10 (26:55):
I don't think we do. I think the de extinction
movements trying to save human guilt for the extinctions we're
have caused. It's well worth in these technologies to use
to save the species we've got left. But bringing them
back is just going to cause a whole lot of problems.
It's like Jurassic Park. If you're going to bring back

(27:18):
the dinosaurs, you have to bring back the ecosystem. In
some cases, the ecosystem's not there. If you think of
Central Otago, it was dominated by Cofi and Lanceop. There's
no analogue for any of that ecosystem we have in
New Zealand. So if you're brought back the moa and
wanted to put in that ecosystem, it's just not there.

(27:38):
But you need more than one individual. You need a
healthy population, and that's about five hundred individuals. You want
the genetic variation of Auckland, not the genetic variation of
the English royal family or the Habsburgs.

Speaker 2 (27:53):
That was going to They were my next two Christians.
I was interested from a key re perspective. You know,
could we break with a moa be able to survive
in the natural environment we have now, but it wouldn't
be able to survive anywhere in New Zealand.

Speaker 10 (28:06):
Well, it depends only you put the mora and what
mile you bring back? The whole chicken and egg question.
So people might go, we want the giant moer, but
there's no bird in the world with an air big
enough to put to bring a giant moer embryo up
to a chick size for it to hatch. And the

(28:28):
other problem you've got is the mole's closest living relatives
are like sixty million years ago. They're too far away.
So if you're going to bring it back, you've got
all these technological challenges, which is almost science fiction. And
then if you are going to bring it back, you've
got to have the environment, You've got to have the
population numbers, and then who actually owns it. Does coloss

(28:49):
or biosciences zone, say a moa Disney Zealand own a moa.
Does the tongue defena or mana fa own the moa?

Speaker 2 (28:59):
And obviously we don't have the environment for them to
live in at the moment. But if they do come,
if we did bring back long extinct animal, would they
then pose a threat to our current ecosystem.

Speaker 10 (29:10):
Quite possibly, because everything everything has changed. So one of
the analogies down here is the sea lions come back,
the critical endangered New Zealand sea lion as they're eating
the critical endangered hoy hoo, our bird of the year.
So your ecosystems may not actually be able to handle

(29:33):
a predator. So what's going to happen when the pilocine
that tasmane and tiger gets reintroduced is it is it
going to control the pests and predators or is it
going to go after the native animals.

Speaker 2 (29:47):
Yes, this is turning out to be quite tricky. As
you mentioned, you need genetic variation. How many revived dodo
would we need to create a sustainable population.

Speaker 10 (29:59):
Then there's this magical number in conservation biology, five hundred,
so it's named the five hundred rule, and need you
need that number for your population to be self sustaining,
for there to be enough genetic variation to say, handle
a disease outbreak. If we're thinking of aving influenza or

(30:25):
bird influenza that's doing the rounds around the world and
we'll get to New Zealand at some point. So you
need enough jex veriation for some individuals to be able
to survive though that disease for them to breed not
have what we call inbreeding problems that you think of

(30:45):
like an Queen Victoria that passed hemophilia to most of
the European royal family, the Habsburg who became so inbred
that they couldn't have children. So it's it's hundreds of
millions of dollars to bring back one individual and you've
got to bring back five hundred of them, for example, because.

Speaker 2 (31:07):
The money could be spent elsewhere. I mean, we could
be focusing on conservation if it's the species that still
exist that are maybe you know, in a serious state
of decline.

Speaker 10 (31:18):
Yeah, So the technology to be able to bring animals
back from the dead will help conserve species that we've
got left, but we should be using that technology to
save what we've got left. And it's whether reintroducing lost
genetic variation into say takahe or carcapote, a better coat

(31:39):
with a fast changing world, ecosystem conservation testa edication, ecological restoration.
There are much much better things we could spend money
on than bringing back moa or the huia or dodos
for example.

Speaker 2 (31:57):
Would you be just a little bit curious though, if
they brought back a will you memmoth to go and
take a look at it?

Speaker 10 (32:03):
I'd definitely, I'd definitely be curious to to go have
a lot. I'd also concerned, yeah, and also just feel
a little bit sad. It'd be a lot, it'd be
quite a lonely, wily mammoth until it got it, until
it got a mate. But it'd be it'd be interesting
what it what it would be like, because you could

(32:26):
sequence the genome of the wily mammoths and people have
done that. If you manage to get around the gestation
issue of the wooly mammoths has got a lot longer
gestation in the womb than its closest relative, the Asian elephant,
it would be it would be a wooly mammoth with
an Asian elephant mother. And then you go, well, is

(32:46):
it behaving like a wily mammoth? Is this what willly
mammoths behave like? How does it learn all the mammothy
things it needs to learn?

Speaker 2 (32:54):
And I'm getting the feeling that this is all posing
a lot more questions than it has answers. Thank you
so much for your time, appreciated as always. That was
Nick Rawlins there, the associate professor and director of the
Otago Paleogenetics Lab. It is eleven to ten.

Speaker 1 (33:09):
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Speaker 11 (33:12):
Breakfast the report out in Sydney into their new metro line.
Now this is the twenty one billion dollar behemoth and
was going to transform allegedly Sydney public transport, and it
seems at first report to be working. Now the trouble
with transport here Wellington famously hopeless and the buses went
up the wrong streets, ran out of gas, never turned
up in the first place. Now they'll claim all that's
fixed now. Auckland buses have been hit in this forever.
I mean, our kids over the years eventually refuse to

(33:34):
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still for never ending schedules of maintenance. So the theory
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Speaker 3 (33:55):
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helped minimize the impact and harm of the recent rain.
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Thank you very much Aidan for your text. Mary is

(34:46):
sitting at home listening to the show and she is
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don't worry about the lull before the sailing finals. Francesca,
I am listening to you and watching the thrilling Women's
America's Cup. Actually, our newsroom also said to me today
the women's competition is really thrilling. Can't get on board.
I'm not going to get on board until we hit
teen Zealand hits the of course, I don't think on

(35:07):
Sunday unfortunately, but thank you very much for your text.
It is seven to ten, keep.

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It simple, It's Sunday the Sunday Session with Francesca Rudkin
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Speaker 3 (35:21):
It'd be live from the News Talks d being news set.

Speaker 9 (35:29):
Yeah.

Speaker 12 (35:30):
Just I really enjoyed it, to be honest, it was.
It was a lot of hard work and.

Speaker 2 (35:33):
I imagine some thought has to go into how you
tell stories involve other people as well, don't you, and
how that's going to be received.

Speaker 12 (35:42):
Yeah. Absolutely, I mean most importantly in my family and
how you.

Speaker 6 (35:47):
Know they're perceived. And the story was really important to me.
I mean it wasn't you know, about exposing anyone. And
I suppose there's no you know, bad bad people in
my story, I feel like, but there was definitely hard
times that we all experienced as a FARO and so
ensuring that my finmok with me telling those stories and

(36:10):
probably forced us to have the conversations that we hadn't had.
But yeah, it was a good healing journey for us all.

Speaker 2 (36:17):
It might come as a bit of a surprise to
those who have followed your career but maybe don't know
you personally, that you're a little bit of a rascal
as a kid. Tell me about growing up in Poots
to Do.

Speaker 6 (36:29):
Yeah, I mean a small small town, not a whole
lot to do. So I tend to lean towards looking
boys look getting up to some sort of mischief. And
funny enough, I'm actually just down at the Hamilton Lake.
I've been running around there and called into the farmer's
market and the guy in the coffee shop said, honey,
you remember me from school.

Speaker 12 (36:49):
And I said, oh, hey, how are you? And he goes,
you're only a skateboard. How he goes, you're both my
skateboard at school, and I just had to laugh.

Speaker 6 (36:57):
I thought, oh my gosh, it's like exactly what I'm
talking about in the book.

Speaker 12 (37:01):
So you know, I was a pretty angry kid, I think,
growing up.

Speaker 6 (37:05):
And so when when about I suppose my my younger days,
it's a bit of a bully and.

Speaker 12 (37:12):
So when I eat comments like that.

Speaker 6 (37:14):
But he laughed about it, and it was kind of cool,
and I suppose it's to seeing the growth. But you know,
I love my brand and I don't suppose with any
regrets anymore, and I just I just wouldn't change up
for the world. I had the best community wrapped around me.

Speaker 2 (37:30):
Did you enjoy school?

Speaker 6 (37:33):
I did. I was a typical kid that went to
school to run around and play sports. I enjoyed it. Mary,
I enjoyed cupa hakka. I enjoyed practical, the practical side
of things, so you know, even things like wouldwork and
sewing in all of those kinds of things I really enjoyed.

Speaker 12 (37:52):
But I think sitting down reading.

Speaker 6 (37:54):
Books and those kind of those kind of class environments
I didn't enjoy.

Speaker 12 (38:00):
I struggled to learn. I struggled to I suppose, you know.

Speaker 4 (38:05):
Have long.

Speaker 6 (38:06):
I didn't have much of an attention span when anything
like that. I just want to be out and that
I had energy.

Speaker 3 (38:11):
Boon.

Speaker 2 (38:12):
So what role did sport play in your life? As
you say, especially sort of when you hit that angry
teenager stage you sport.

Speaker 12 (38:21):
Was myself For me. Sports just gave me an outlet.

Speaker 6 (38:24):
It gave me a bit of purpose and something to
keep me busy, to keep me out of trouble. It
taught me about, you know, teamwork and friendships. And I
think it was always very competitive, so it gave me
something to constantly work towards. So I threw myself into
anything everything that was going. Like there was never a

(38:45):
day that I wasn't running around with a ball in
hand or looking for you know, the next touch game
or you know, I'd even haven't had a cracket squash
now and again, just just whatever it was to just
kind of keep me moving.

Speaker 12 (39:00):
Yeah, I just loved it.

Speaker 2 (39:02):
When did you realize you were good at sport?

Speaker 12 (39:06):
Yeah, that's an interesting one. I think when I was younger.

Speaker 6 (39:09):
Because I you know, I knew I started to make
rep teams, and because me and my brothers we grew
up playing in the same league teams together, and I
was making rep teams and they weren't, and then you know,
and then I'd make the next level up again and
then kind of think, actually, you know, I'm competing alongside
a lot of these boys here and I'm doing I'm
doing all right.

Speaker 12 (39:28):
So I think for me there it is kind of
was a bit of a realization that actually, I'm going okay.

Speaker 6 (39:33):
And then I started to kind of get you know,
when your kids in your lining up and they picked
to captains and then everyone's sort of fighting over you
being my team and you be in my team. And
I was always kind of that kid that was like
people wanted me in their team. So for me, I
think I understood there was well, I must be pretty
good of kids want to keep putting me in their team.

Speaker 2 (39:54):
What impacted it, hair when when you start down in
the league, as you say, you were playing in the
boys teams. Was that good for your league?

Speaker 12 (40:02):
Yeah?

Speaker 6 (40:02):
It was absolutely, I mean just to play alongside the boys,
and I think I kind of, you know, shot off
quite quickly in terms of understanding the game and being
able to play. And it wasn't til I probably got
to my teenage years and the boys I supposed physically
started to catch up to me.

Speaker 12 (40:20):
So I had to, you know, I suppose be a.

Speaker 6 (40:22):
Bit more crafty with the way I played because I
couldn't match him in size and strength. You know, I
was probably a little bit cunning in the sense that,
you know, I was lying about my age to stay
in these boys in these boys teams so that I
could keep playing because there was no girls team for
me to go to. So if I wasn't allowed to
be in these teams, I knew that was the end
of my of my league.

Speaker 12 (40:44):
Days.

Speaker 6 (40:45):
So yeah, I suppose I had to adapt as I
worked through those age groups.

Speaker 2 (40:52):
Honey, tell me about your mum and your dad's influence
on you and your sport.

Speaker 12 (40:57):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (40:57):
Dad was a massive influence on me and my sport.
You know, he was a real Rougby League fanatic. You know,
we constantly had it playing on our and Itali at home.
You know, he kind of did every Jersey possible, which
he'd having a special draw and when he wasn't when
he had left for work, me and my brother would
punch one out of his draw and work to our
muffy day for school and then quickly rushed it back

(41:20):
into his draw and put it away.

Speaker 12 (41:22):
And Mum was probably she was spoiling herself, but she.

Speaker 6 (41:25):
Was probably more a stay at home mom that kind
of you know, cooked and did everything at else. In
the background for us, you.

Speaker 12 (41:33):
Know, they both worked really hard.

Speaker 6 (41:35):
They had sort of labor and labor kind of jobs,
and you know, we probably worked. I loved I suppose
paycheck by paycheck, I'm back home and grew up and
sort of state housing.

Speaker 12 (41:48):
But you know we didn't know any bitter. We loved
it and really cherished up bringing.

Speaker 2 (41:54):
And your mom was so important to you as well
when at twenty three you became a mum and you
signed the book that you were kind of old for
your family to be your first time mother, but motherhood's
a bit of a shock, a and you know you
were very fortunate to have your mum helping out.

Speaker 12 (42:09):
Yeah, I was.

Speaker 6 (42:10):
I don't think I was prepared for motherhood and I
kind of ignored my whole pregnancy because again it was
a barrier to me playing sport, and quite ignorantly, I
just assumed it would go away.

Speaker 12 (42:23):
And then I might lady, you know, baby, a baby
shows up.

Speaker 6 (42:27):
And mum was massive in terms of supporting me through
that period because I just kind of haven't I didn't
really having I suppose any poor thinking as to how
was actually, you know, what kind of mum was actually
going to be. But I think the moment, you know,
my son was put on my arm, so it was
huge and I just knew, you know, he was probably

(42:48):
going to be a savor for me. I was already
going through quite a rough time during that age. During
that time, I'd recently lost my best friend and my
cousin the journey, and so he really helped put me
out of that in terms of having my son, But
Mum was a signific for me in terms of helping
me to raise my boy.

Speaker 12 (43:09):
And that wasn't just in those early days.

Speaker 6 (43:10):
I mean she she typically helped me raise him, her
and Dad or you know, all the way throughout, because
I kind of went straight back literally five days five
to ten days later, I was back playing on the field,
and then you know, making making rectines again and traveling
the world. So they were very much there helping me
support look after my son.

Speaker 2 (43:30):
Honey, what was it like to lose your mother? I
really appreciated the way you spoke in the book of
of dealing with her illness and being with her during
those final months. I'm sure that a lot of people
will relate to that experience.

Speaker 12 (43:43):
Yeah, it was. It was heart wrenching at the time.

Speaker 6 (43:48):
It was really hard to let her go because I
think when you take on a caring role when you're
when you're living with someone who is, you know, in
their last days of life, you don't really when you
when you're a care you don't really, I suppose fully
grab the concept of actually you're caring for them to.

Speaker 12 (44:09):
Die, and I don't think I did that.

Speaker 6 (44:11):
I always sort of held on to the fact that
I was going to care for her and at some
point she might just actually get better, right down to
the day, you know, her last days of life when
she'd fallen into a coma as such, and.

Speaker 12 (44:25):
You still kind of hold on.

Speaker 6 (44:26):
So I think letting go was was something i'd done
really really late.

Speaker 12 (44:30):
Literally the night before.

Speaker 6 (44:32):
Mom passed was probably the brust time actually said to her,
I was okay for her to go now and she
and she obviously died the very next day. So it
was a significant, I think, turning point in my life
and just you know, being now I suppose, you know,
not the head of our family, but you know, being

(44:54):
wanting to make sure that I still make my mum proud,
but also that I am able to, you know, make
sure that our whole family is well looked after. Mum
was a real nurturing one, and I just want to
make sure that my brother's and their families are well
looked after.

Speaker 12 (45:08):
My dad's looked after in a wider final as well.

Speaker 2 (45:12):
And that's something that you have also done your whole life.
People probably don't realize that while you were, you know,
being a sportswoman's a little bit different to maybe being
a sportsman. And the one thing that strikes you when
you're reading this book is you are you are playing
sport at a very high level, You're working full time.
Sometimes you were studying, You're raising your son, you were
helping set up new rugby clubs. I mean, it was

(45:33):
just endless what you fitted into your life, you know,
around sport, and a lot of those jobs you had
were actually with organizations helping other people.

Speaker 12 (45:43):
Yeah, that's yeah.

Speaker 6 (45:45):
When I school, I kind of I was really drawn
to education and I wanted to work in education, and
initially I think I applied for teachers College and got in,
but then I never followed through with it, and I
ended up falling into I suppose a lot of those
kind of roles, and then that kind of morphed into
me working with people and of a support role, whether

(46:07):
it was sort of from mental health to disability through
to youth's work, as well as sort of now obviously
now I'm impalliative care, and yeah, I think that's just
just a part of me is just wanting to walk
alongside people to support them in their journeys. And I
suppose learning from my own experiences and being able to relate.

Speaker 12 (46:28):
To a lot of.

Speaker 6 (46:30):
The different things that I've worked with and other people's challenges.
I think I'm just drawn to serving people and helping
them see their own growth and their own pathway.

Speaker 2 (46:40):
So was it a really big step in twenty fourteen
when you were given semi professional contracts? That was with
New Zealand Rugby. You were still working, but it was
great that women were finally seen to be semi professional.

Speaker 6 (46:52):
It was huge actually because we just kind of had
just gotten by all those years on, you know, just
on the bear essentials, and so to now be a
fully contracted, paid player was it was just really it
just seemed unreal because I've paid so many of those

(47:13):
years just paying for my sport and playing because I
loved it, And now this was actually a job and
I was getting paid for it. So I was so
grateful those for those moments to be a part of that.
I suppose call twenty that got the first contract through
New Zealand Rugby, but it definitely gave you a different
perspective now because now you had a lot more responsibility. Obviously,

(47:33):
where a professional contract comes a lot more responsibility. But
more than that was actually the resourcing that we had
access to, and things like mental skills coaches, you know,
sports psychologists. I mean, I was lucky enough to have
David Gale break with me for a few years, and
you know, I think that's really where my game changed,
was just that mental edge and being able to, I

(47:56):
suppose emotionally regulate yourself when you're playing under so much pressure.
And those are things that we just we didn't know about,
and so we just kind of did what we did
out on the field and the head of the moment,
but actually being able to work through those processes and
having plans and place when you're under the pump, you know,
you it might be the last try, last minute of

(48:17):
the game, those kind of moments. Actually you've already practiced
those in your head, so you're able to handle pressure
a lot better. And things like sports cologists, I mean
that they definitely can take any effort to.

Speaker 12 (48:29):
Just a completely different level.

Speaker 2 (48:32):
And finally, honey, how did you manage to keep your
body together for so long? I mean you were thirty nine,
am I right? When you retired?

Speaker 12 (48:40):
Yeah, I was sorry.

Speaker 13 (48:43):
I was pretty unique in the fact that, I mean,
I'm pretty proud that actually I only had one surgery
my whole career, and I held that off right to
the end of my career, and it was on my shoulder.

Speaker 12 (48:56):
I was probably I loved by a whole lot of Quartersigoness,
don't keep me wrong.

Speaker 6 (49:01):
I suffered a fair amount of injuries in my time,
but managed to avoid surgery for a big life chunk
of it. But yeah, I think the longevity just comes
down to, you know, continuing to I always reassessed every
year or every time I stepped down to the field,
why am I here?

Speaker 12 (49:18):
And why am I doing this? Do I still love this?
Do I still want to keep doing this?

Speaker 6 (49:22):
Am I still good enough to be wearing this Josey
like I always kept myself you know, reality, have I
earned the right to put on this Josey kind of thing?
And so for me, that meant ensuring that I was
doing the work before I got out onto that field.
And so I think, you know, just the me physically
ensuring that I looked after my body and I looked

(49:43):
after myself, I suppose, you know, physically, but also emotionally
and mentally was really important to me and it just
kept me in the game for a really long time,
which I'm so grateful for.

Speaker 2 (49:58):
Honey, Thank you so much for your time this morning
and for sharing your story.

Speaker 12 (50:02):
Thanks for the book, fan Jessica, thanks for having me honey.

Speaker 2 (50:06):
My story of Love Loss in Victory is in stores now.
It is a great yarn. I mean, there's so much
that I could have touched on with Honey there which
wasn't time. So there's lots of It's a roller coaster
ride this story, folks. And don't forget that Chelsea Winter's
Winter is in the studio with me after eleven this
morning it's twenty three past ten.

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Sunday session You in Hell, me.

Speaker 2 (51:29):
High and heel the language speak to me. This, of
course is the voice of Stan Walker. The song is
called I Am and this is one of the five
finalists at the at prasilv scroll And joining me now
to talk entertainment is Steve Neil, editor at flex Star

(51:51):
Co dot m ZE. Good morning, good morning. So this
week yeah at Pra Silva Scrolls.

Speaker 14 (51:56):
Yes, this Tuesday in Wellington at the Saint James Theater
as the Apra Silva Scrolls. This is New Zealand's pre
eminent songwriting award. As are determined by the votes of
New Zealand app remembers. Who are of the songwriters, the performers.

Speaker 2 (52:09):
The New Zealand music And do you know there are
songs well, yes, yes, and it's an interesting a wards
because it's judged on the merit of the song rather
than like how.

Speaker 14 (52:17):
Big of a hit it was, and so the judging
processes are quite interesting. You receive the music, you receive
the lyrics, but you've got to do a bit of
digging before we actually find out who the artist is.
That sort of takes away that, oh, I know who
Stan Walker is. You're already looking at the at the craft.
So alongside Walker, who's nominated for the Silver Scroll, there

(52:37):
are songs performed by mermaidens Skila, Anna Coddington and Georgia Lines.
And yes it's happening on Tuesday at the Saint James
and Wellington posted by Lisa Tomlins and Brett Mackenzie. So
good showers and offering. I think I think it's pretty
hard to go past that Stan Walker song, to be honest. Okay,
but I've got a soft spot for a couple of
the others, particularly Mermaidens I like to be Alone and

(53:00):
Georgia Lines the Letter, which are a couple of emotional bangers.

Speaker 2 (53:05):
Certainly out we played the least just before the news right.
Also kicking off this week we have these show Me
shorts Film Festival New Zealand's biggest short film festival.

Speaker 14 (53:15):
Yeah, this is the nineteenth edition of the Oscar Qualifying
and Bafter Qualifying Festival of Short Films. This year they've
had over twenty four hundred submissions and the festival kicks
off with opening nights in Auckland on October the tenth,
christ Church on October the eleventh, and Wellington on the
sixteenth of October. It's a really nice way to see

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shorts because it's divided into these sort of thematic blocks
of content, so you can go along and see sessions
titled things like Dystopian Dreams, Deeper into Love, Generational Threads
or maybe more in my kind of wheelhouse, slashes and splatter.

Speaker 2 (53:54):
Hey, look, it's kicking off before the school holiday's end.
Is there anything appropriate to They generally do have a family.

Speaker 14 (54:01):
Yeah, there is a far no friendly session, is there.
And while many of these short will be challenging and
thematic matter you're across the festival, they definitely have an
eye for things that you can go to see with
all the kids as well. So yeah, I'm not sure
that some of the titles I'm about to mention fall
into that category. These are things that I've been looking

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forward to seeing. I was a judge for the Screenplay Award,
so I haven't seen these films, but i have seen
them on the page, so I'm really interested to see
how they come to life on screen. The big nominee
this year for awards is Honey Kaha. It's nominated for
Best New Zealand Film, Actor in this case Ta Fenawa,
and director and cinematographer. The synopsis of this film is

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when dinner with her son is ruined by seafood poaches,
Honeykha must hunt down the colonizes who are responsible to
bring them to justice. It's kind of as like a
bit of a kind of a US black exploitation field
to it. I think kind of like a bit of
a retro retro vibe. Also Cold Feet, which is nominated
for Best Screenplay, which is a continuous take following a

(55:08):
bride to bee who was having doubts just before walking
down the aisle, which may be relatable to a bunch
of the audience. In figment Crippled by Loneliness, a woman
has prescribed a drug that gives her an imaginary friend,
but this new relationship becomes more complicated than she could
have imagined and in pack Rat, which is one of
the best screenplay numbs. At a rural New Zealand paddock party,

(55:30):
a fifteen year old girl fights to keep her place
among the pack of boys she has grown up with.
So things can get a bit more surreal and fantastical
Elsa in the program. But there's a real kind of
good dramatic theft to a bunch of these nominees.

Speaker 2 (55:43):
Fantastic. If we hit online, we'll be able to find
the program.

Speaker 14 (55:46):
Yeah, head over to showmy shortstot co dot nz and
find out when and where it is playing near you.

Speaker 2 (55:52):
Brilliant, And it is playing all around the country.

Speaker 14 (55:54):
Yes, absolutely, and it doesn't outstay its welcome, So I
would I'd check that out and figure out what you
want to go to. I think these theme sessions are
the best way to engage with the curated content.

Speaker 2 (56:05):
Brilliant. Thank you so much, Steve. Will catch up next week.

Speaker 14 (56:08):
Oh I'm not here next week?

Speaker 2 (56:09):
Oh no, are you you're off on summer still one,
You're just gonna angry around, Yes, see you later. Research
into stem cell therapy in relation to type one diabetes
is opening up a whole new frontier as to how
we might be able to treat the disease and other
autoimmune diseases. We're going to talk about more about this
with doctor Michelle Dickinson.

Speaker 1 (56:28):
Next, it's the Sunday session with Francesca Rudkin on News Talks.

Speaker 7 (56:36):
At B.

Speaker 2 (56:38):
And it is time to talk science and doctor Michel
Dickinson joins us. Now, good morning, Good morning. This is
really fascinating what scientists are using stem cells for, especially
when it comes to type one diabetes.

Speaker 15 (56:54):
There's a couple of parts of the stories that are
world changing.

Speaker 4 (56:57):
We're going to talk about.

Speaker 15 (56:58):
The first one is what they're doing with that. Number
two is where they're getting them. We'll get there. So
this is published in the journal Cell, and basically they
are a report this week the world's first medical procedure
that has totally reversed type one diabetes. Now it's earning
on one patient, and this patient has now been studied
for a year and it seems like she.

Speaker 7 (57:18):
Is I would call it fully cured of diabetes.

Speaker 15 (57:21):
She now makes her own insulin, she doesn't rely on anything,
she can eat sugar, and it's going to give hope
to millions of people who suffer with type one diabetes,
who have to usually manage it by injecting insulin and
measuring their blood every single day. And type one diabetes,
it usually starts in childhood. So what happens is your
immune system for some reason thinks you're pancreas is bad

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for you and starts to attack your own pancreas. And
inside your pancreas are these cells. They're called islet cells,
and they're the ones that make insulin, and insulin is
the thing that helps you to control your blood sugar
and usually don't notice it in childhood, and by the
time you've noticed it, it's done permanent damage and so
you cannot have your body produce insulin anymore. So this
is what's amazing about this study. What they did is

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they took Now you can take stem cells from lots
of weird and wonderful places, but they took stem cells
from this patient body fat. They literally gave her LiPo suction.
I just feel like this is a win win in
this study. They gave a liposection, they took out her
cells are fat cells, and then they chemically induced them
so that they became what we call preory pontent cells,

(58:29):
which are stem cells, which you can then tell to
become any type of cell.

Speaker 4 (58:33):
In your body.

Speaker 15 (58:34):
So they took us fat cells, they chemically induced them,
and they said, please become eye look songs, which are
the ones reduced instruments, And then all they did was
inject them into her abdomen and left her the three
months and three months later these stem cells had worked
their way to the penguins. They had rebuilt islet cells,
and here she is producing her own into learn as

(58:55):
if she'd never had diabetes since she was twenty five
age or six. Is a young patient and that's fixed.
And so they've monitored her now for a year, no
need for into the no need for anything, and blood segrowth. Amazing.
These islet cells are working really well. And this is
totally nuts if you think about how big diabetes is

(59:17):
a for challenge, but also how long term this is
one procedure that literally only required a little bit of MICO.

Speaker 2 (59:26):
I mean, there's it's a bit of an intervention there,
but but I mean if we take this and we
try and turn it into a cure for diabetes, how
easy is it to do that and reach you know,
so many people.

Speaker 15 (59:40):
Well, this isn't any pols once, but I is there
only one patient has been tested, and the similar group
recently did something different where they took islet transplants, and
so that was going to be the next big state
only in April, where they were going to take a
take islet cells from a transplant and then put them
into your pancreas, and that was working in the big

(01:00:00):
problem they said as look, there's no enough donors. You know,
it's the same with all organ donation, is that we
don't have enough. So this actually the thing that's special
about this is it's taking yourself from your own body,
so there's no challenge around the source. So what this
group is now doing is going, how do we make
it easy to literally do a little bit of LiPo,
give you the right chemicals and get you to grow

(01:00:21):
your own stem tiles. But the nice thing about this
treatment is it doesn't require anybody else. They're your own cells,
which means there's no miskod rejection. You don't have to
go on different drugs to try and worry about injection.
So that's what's really world breaking about this is the
first time I've seen as sturdy that actually has looked
at a solution where you're not having to rely on
anything else other than a couple of chemicals in a

(01:00:41):
lab to induce yourself. So I think this is going
to be It's huge.

Speaker 2 (01:00:46):
There's the thing. I just want science to move fast.
To Michelle, I'm like, let's do it would just be
bring such a relate to so many people. Thank you
so much, and of course you can think of all
the other potential applications of stem cell therapy and other
autoimmune diseases as well. Thank you so much. Michelle. Will
keetch up nixt to a wake. Mike vand Elsen's up nixts,
but at least a really useful recipe for a little

(01:01:09):
bit of sweet garlic aolie something that I love, and
now we can whip up our own. He's going to
be with us shortly. It is twenty to eleven.

Speaker 3 (01:01:18):
There's no better way to start your Sunday.

Speaker 1 (01:01:21):
It's the Sunday Session with Francesca Rutkin and Wiggles for
the best selection of great breaths used talk sed be.

Speaker 2 (01:01:28):
You're with the Sunday Session and joining us now as
our residence chief. Mike vander Alsen, good.

Speaker 9 (01:01:32):
Morning, good morning, how are we.

Speaker 2 (01:01:35):
I'm very good? Thank you. I like the fact that
we're doing sweet garlic aoli today. I love aoli and
I've just I've sort of started using it everywhere. We
have a really lovely vegetarian nut shoes that we make,
and I used to put cream on top, and now
I put really nice aolis. Yeah, and that's very useful,

(01:01:55):
the aoli. You may have a good aoli and it
seems to go on everything.

Speaker 4 (01:01:58):
Right.

Speaker 9 (01:02:00):
Do you know the difference between the mayonnaise and aoli.

Speaker 2 (01:02:05):
She says quickly, looking at the recipe. You don't have
even got winn yolk.

Speaker 9 (01:02:13):
No, that's the same, Okay, no different.

Speaker 2 (01:02:17):
I don't think there are any dice potatoes in my mind.

Speaker 5 (01:02:21):
That that is exactly it. It's the dice potatoes.

Speaker 2 (01:02:25):
I don't know. The potatoes and sweet garlic.

Speaker 5 (01:02:28):
Wow, it's actually well, they're going to be mashed. But
son aoli has mashed potatoes where a mayonnaise doesn't. And
what the potatoes does is it it makes the ali richer,
thicker and probably more moorish. And b it allows you
to put an aoli onto something hot and it won't
run off unlike a mayonnaise.

Speaker 2 (01:02:49):
There you go. I prefer to mayonnaise. I don't know.
It's just the garlict. I think.

Speaker 5 (01:02:56):
Yeah, And again like if you buy it from if
you if you buy your ali and you buy your mayonnaise,
I would.

Speaker 9 (01:03:04):
Say they're probably going to be very similar. And I
always find the problem when you buy and mayonnaise.

Speaker 5 (01:03:10):
We buy a naioli, it's very tart, and that comes
a lot because you've got to when they manufacture them,
they've got to bring the pH levels down. Otherwise it
doesn't give you the shelf life. And so what they
do to bring the pH levels down or increase it
either as they add citric acid, and that citric acid
just rips out, okay, the sweetness and be a lot

(01:03:30):
of the flavor.

Speaker 2 (01:03:32):
Does that happen to hummus as well? Things like yeah, okayly.

Speaker 5 (01:03:37):
Like if you make hormos at home, it's delicious, it's sweet,
it's beautiful. If you buy a pumpkin, say a roasted
pumpkin or a roasted cumera hoummus.

Speaker 9 (01:03:46):
It's it's tart.

Speaker 5 (01:03:47):
But if you make it at home, you don't need
that citric element because you're not going to make it
to last on the shelf for four months or whatever.

Speaker 9 (01:03:55):
It is not that not on your wedges, so I
tried and make it yourself if you can.

Speaker 5 (01:04:02):
So I thought i'd go back to basics and keep
this recipe is simple as I can, and it's basically
it's a sweet garlic aoli. It will only take you
about ten minutes to mate, and it'll last in the fridge.
If you put this in the fridge, you'll probably get
about two weeks as long as you look after it
and keep it in the fridge. So first up, you've
got the all important garlic, So preheat your oven two

(01:04:24):
hundred degrees. Take your ten garlic clothes that have been peeled,
Pop them into a small fry pant a liverit of
oil over the top.

Speaker 9 (01:04:30):
Put a touch of salt. Fire them into the oven.

Speaker 5 (01:04:33):
They're going to take about ten to fifteen minutes, and
what you're looking for is for them to come golden brown.
Take them out, allow them to cool down. While your
garlic is cooking, you get the all important potatoes. So
this is a small recipe. It only makes one and
a half cups. So I'm looking for half a cup
of peeled and diced potatoes. Pop that into a small saucepan.
Add a littit of salt, add some water, bring it

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to the boil, cook them until the tender, and then
drain them. And then we go and make the actual
aoli itself. So you've got your garlic that's cooled down somewhat,
and you've got your mashed potatoes which is stel warm.
And that's probably the most important part of this recipe
is make the garlic aoli while the potatoes are steall warm.
If you use cold potatoes, it potentially will split out

(01:05:18):
on you. So into a food processor, add one egg yolk,
a tablespoon offside of vinegar, add in your dice or
your mashed potatoes. I always add in like a tablespoon
of water at this stage, and that water just helps
to allow the blend to start to work. And then
half a tablespoon off dish and mustard, live bit of
white pepper.

Speaker 9 (01:05:39):
Turn that on, and then you add in one.

Speaker 5 (01:05:41):
Cup or two hundred and fifty mils of sunflour oil
while the machine's working, and that will come together into
a nice, super thick aoli. If it becomes too thick,
you could add a touch more water just to thin
it out.

Speaker 9 (01:05:53):
And then continue adding your oil.

Speaker 5 (01:05:55):
If you get to the end, of the oil and
it's like, oh, it's way too thin. If you've still
got some potatoes, if maybe you can add a few
more potatoes in there, or you can add a touch
more oil.

Speaker 9 (01:06:03):
Just to bring it up to that thickness. But you
want only to be super thick.

Speaker 5 (01:06:07):
You want to be able to spoon onto your items
and it sits there and it's just perfect with like
roasted vegetables or roasted potatoes with aoli anything.

Speaker 9 (01:06:20):
Anything.

Speaker 2 (01:06:20):
Hey, look very quickly before you go. My dear friend Tony,
she cooked me dinner on Thursday night and she cooked
me the asparagus halluomi almond dish. That the salad that
you made, like she put poached chicken in for a
little bit of post. It was divine.

Speaker 9 (01:06:33):
Is that great asparagus?

Speaker 4 (01:06:35):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:06:35):
Yeah, So that was a That was a hit. That
was the That was last week's recipe. I just wanted
to pass that on to you, saying she was very
inspired by that and it was It was absolutely delicious.
Thank you so much, Mike. We will make sure that
Mike's recipes are up on our website newstalk ZDB dot
co dot NZ Forward slash Sunday, you can grab your
asparagus hallumi amond salad from there as well, or you

(01:06:56):
can get them from Good from Scratch dot co dot NZED.
You're with Newstalk ZB grab a cover.

Speaker 1 (01:07:02):
It's the Sunday Session with Francesca Rudgot and Wiggles with
the less selection of the grape rings used talks.

Speaker 3 (01:07:09):
That'd be joining us.

Speaker 2 (01:07:11):
Now is Erin O'Hara Netropath. Good morning, good mone time
to talk wellness. We're going to talk about metabolism today,
and I think metabolism is quite fascinating. I don't think
I've really got a good gist of what my metabolism is.
I just use it as an excuse that, you know,
I've got a bit of a slow metabism metabolism that's
why you know I'm not losing weight, or I've got
a fast metabolism that's why you can eat so much more.
It's always just felt metabolism is always just felt like

(01:07:32):
a thing, which is an excuse. But I don't know
what it is.

Speaker 16 (01:07:35):
I think it is and I think, like, yes, there
is a big difference in metabolism between different people, and
if two people were eating the same diet and doing
the same level of exercise, they're not necessarily going to
be the same size, and that's really a difference in
that metabolism, that internal process, and the which way the
body expends energy and burns calories. So some people's internal

(01:07:58):
system works faster and they can eat more and they'll
burn the calories, and other people a little bit more
like a sluggish system that kind of can't utilize the
energy as much, and that is really different from person
to person. Probably the biggest factor in most of research
shows us is actually genetics unfortunately, which you can't change.
But there's a lot you can change to help support

(01:08:20):
and boost your metabolism and get it going a little
bit quicker. And it's so simple things like getting back
to what you're eating and how much you're moving the
body and weight losses just not calories and calories out,
but actually ways we can actually start to get that
metabolism going and holding it at a higher rate because

(01:08:40):
then when we're resting, we're going to be burning more calories,
and things like doing exercise, particularly weight training, will actually
help you when you're resting have a higher metabolic rate,
so it means that you're actually burning more calories across
the day. So that's a really powerful way to start
to increase your metabolism. So we can do things like

(01:09:01):
increasing exercise, whether it's weight training. The other big one
is interval training, So getting into doing whether it's a
hit training or whether you're sort of doing interval sort
of run training is a great way to get metabolism
going and keeping.

Speaker 2 (01:09:17):
It up a little bit higher.

Speaker 16 (01:09:18):
Also building your lean muscle mass, so some people hold
a lot more lean muscle mass, and that's why men
generally have a little bit higher metabolism than women because
they hold more lean muscle mass. But actually we can
also build more muscle mass on our body, and that
can come through your weight training or doing exercise that
you love to do, which may not be weight training,

(01:09:39):
it might be doing pilates or anything that's helping build
strength into the body building than developing muscle mass, but
also eating more protein rich foods. And the interesting thing
about protein is that helps with recovery and building the
lean muscle mass, but also it has a thermo effect
of that particular food, So protein has a higher thermic

(01:10:03):
effect rather than fats and carbohydrates, so it takes the
body longer for you to burn protein and absorb it,
so it's a really powerful way to also increase metabolism
for adding more protein.

Speaker 2 (01:10:15):
Okay, my next dumb question. Does hunger have anything to
do with metabolism, Like if you eat a meal or
you just don't get hungry for ages, Is that because
you have a slow metabolism in your body, is just
really slowly procession that food. I will say no, Okay,
but no.

Speaker 16 (01:10:29):
Because it's not actually to do with how well you're
burning the food you've eaten, but it's more to do
with how you're regulating your glucose levels. You've got to
be a little bit different there. But metabolism is more
about your burning rate and how we can improve that
so we can burn more calories while we're not just
while we're exercising, but while we're resting too, including sleeping.

(01:10:52):
So if you just lay in bed all day, you're
still going to burn calories.

Speaker 2 (01:10:55):
It's good to get up and exercise early in the
morning so that when you get to work and you
find yourself maybe seated more or less for the next
sort of six to eight hours or something or ten hours,
you've done some exercise for the day, which is the
meterbilism goverment. Does it not matter.

Speaker 16 (01:11:08):
It wouldn't matter what time of the day you did it,
Like you know, there's probably some research studies that would
show it it does matter at the time. But actually
doing any exercise, movement, any movement, whether it's going up
for a walk in your lunch break, So keeping your
body moving is going to keep me metabolism up walking
up stairs, walking the stairs rather than taking the lift.
So we just got to keep up our movement and

(01:11:29):
our body. And then the other thing is regular eating,
so like eating throughout the day and not starving yourself
and then eating enormous amounts of food at once. That's
a really good way to keep the metabolism burning along
throughout the day.

Speaker 2 (01:11:41):
Aaron is always a delight to thank you very much.
We'll talk to you next week.

Speaker 3 (01:11:45):
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Speaker 3 (01:11:57):
New Zealand's number one commercial.

Speaker 2 (01:11:59):
Lots of flexibility in it.

Speaker 17 (01:12:01):
Yeah, that's exactly it. It is plant based and obviously
my my previous book Super Good was plant based as well,
and at that point in time I was following a
strictly plant based diet, so it made sense for me
to do it. And at the moment time, I'm not anymore,
but I still wanted Tasty to be plant based because
Super Good was so well received and I was just like,

(01:12:24):
there is actually a need out there. There is a
people want to be inspired by beautiful, delicious, comforting, nourishing
plant based recipes that don't really feel like plant based recipes,
you know what I mean. And it's designed for everybody,
not just vegans and vegetarians, although they will be bloody
stoked with this, but you know, so many people are

(01:12:46):
cooking for people with allergies or intolerances. And this book
actually is free of refined sugar as well, which for
me is rather a large step because there's a lot
of refined sugar in my previous books.

Speaker 2 (01:13:01):
So what is the key to baking and cooking without
refined sugar.

Speaker 17 (01:13:05):
Well, it's a whole different approach because cane sugar behaves
in a certain way, so you can't just swap something
with something else. And I didn't want to go onto
the you know, artificial sweeten of type vibe that's not
really my thing, So I've used natural sugars but yeah,
it's just it's a bit of it's a bit of wizardry, really,
and it took me a while to to get the
hang of it. But that's why I do all the

(01:13:27):
hard work, and you just open the book and the
recipe works. So your kids often your sort of test dummies,
don't You put things in front of them and they
give you the thumbs up of the thumbs down. Yeah,
anything that's remotely sweet they usually gobble up, to be fair.
But yeah, I do have neighbors and friends and family
who are all very willing.

Speaker 18 (01:13:44):
Participants to be the testers.

Speaker 17 (01:13:46):
But I'm I'm really you know, I'm my own harshest critic,
and I'm very picky, like I'm perfectionists when it comes
to my recipes.

Speaker 2 (01:13:55):
I can't believe. Actually Super Good was four years ago.

Speaker 18 (01:13:59):
Yeah, yeah, it's gone fast.

Speaker 2 (01:14:00):
It has gone fast. It was, as you say, a
big change of direction for you heading in that plant
based area. I want to thank you for it because
we've probably we've started eating probably two to three vegetarian
meals a week in our house, and the book has
given us some real firm favorites, you know, Like I
think a lot of people for various reasons are looking

(01:14:21):
to eat a little bit more vegetarian. For us, it
was basically the cost of meat. Couldn't put meat on
the table every night and really keen for something tasty.
And I have a fifteen year old daughter who wasn't
hugely fond of meat, So all of a sudden we
sort of were like, Okay, what can we cook? And
having this book filled with all these amazing recipes like
the vegetarian NATO's and the Crispy Tofy Burger and things

(01:14:42):
like that have become firm staples in our house. Like
when you when you've got a book that provides you
worth really tasty, good food, it's really easy to kind
of make that switch, isn't it.

Speaker 18 (01:14:52):
Yeah, And that's the whole idea.

Speaker 17 (01:14:54):
Yeah, the whole idea of it is just to have
a resource there that you can just open and go, Okay,
my family's not going to reject this, Like you know,
for all those reasons you talked about that a plant
based meal or a vegetarian meal is as the go.

Speaker 18 (01:15:08):
There it is.

Speaker 17 (01:15:09):
And you know, even the staunch just Carnival was going
to be like, oh good, I'm not missing out or
anything here.

Speaker 2 (01:15:15):
I have a mediitranean in the house and he's my
eighteen year old son. And I started making the crispy
Tofu burgers and I didn't mention it was Tofu, and
he just kept going on about what amazing chicken burgers
I was making, and we didn't tell him. We didn't
tell him for months, and the minute we said to him,
actually it's Tofu, he put it down and said, I'm
not eating this, which was kind of ridiculous. There was, though,
a little bit of a backlash to moving to plant

(01:15:36):
based and I noticed that you posted on Facebook saying
that you know, there was criticism and cynicism and judgment
towards that change of approach. How did that impact you?

Speaker 17 (01:15:46):
It wasn't a great feeling at the time. Like I
was very conflicted because I was used to just being
all my recipes sort of being received and loved by all. Yeah, right,
and so that was kind of like my ego was
sort of like, oh, what am I doing now? People
are angry and they don't like me, and they're taking
it personally that you know, personally, I've taken a.

Speaker 2 (01:16:06):
Deep exploring something new.

Speaker 17 (01:16:07):
Yah.

Speaker 2 (01:16:08):
Yeah, I mean that's what life's.

Speaker 17 (01:16:09):
About, right, So it did kind of make me feel
a little bit unsettled and it didn't feel great. But
at the same time, I was like, well, this is
what I'm doing, and I need to continue to do
it because I really do believe it's the right thing
to be doing. And you know, there were a few
people that probably fell off off the back, but there

(01:16:29):
was a whole lot of people that actually came forward
and we're like, okay, well great, this is really my
cap of tea and I love what you're doing. And
the book ended up being the best selling book of
that year overall, so which kind of blew me away
because I had people saying, oh, well, you're crazy, You're
basically nuts. You've got you know this who you are,
and what are you doing? You're changing it.

Speaker 2 (01:16:51):
I found the criticism a bit overdramatic because I don't
want the same cookbook from you time after time, you
know what I mean, Like, that was your sex this
is your seventh, Well what you just kind of reinventing
the wheel. I thought it was great that you had
you were brave enough to take a different path.

Speaker 8 (01:17:08):
Yeah.

Speaker 17 (01:17:08):
Well, by the end of my fifth book, which was Eat,
which was a really popular book, I was just feeling uninspired.
I was just like, I'm kind of bored of this,
Like it's just I feel like I'm just putting out
book after book of the same things. And so I
was ready for the change, and it seemed like everyone
else was too and tasty. Just it made sense to
continue along that vibe because I've got five books which

(01:17:31):
are full with dairy and meat and sugar and all
the rest of it, and then one plant based book
wasn't enough to balance it out.

Speaker 2 (01:17:38):
But the other thing too, is that people can add
their meat and their eggs and their dairy, they can
add everything to these recipes. So it's sort of like
you almost meeting people halfway a little bit Chelsea going okay,
here we go. You can well.

Speaker 17 (01:17:51):
It's also a reflects because all my books reflect who
I am and where I am at this point in
my life, and I'm not following a fully plant based diet,
so I am flexible with the recipes in this book.
You know, if I make a lasagna, maybe one day
I'll put cheese in it, maybe one day I won't.
And that's kind of that's the approach for this one.
It's just like make it your own. I encourage people

(01:18:12):
to make the recipes their own based on what they're doing,
where they're at, what they want, what their families need.
But the recipes as they are a plant based and
their bloody banging like, they're great perfectly as they are.
But if you want to mix it up, you do it.

Speaker 2 (01:18:26):
I love it. What did you learn from the strictly
plant based journey? Was it a positive thing?

Speaker 11 (01:18:31):
Overall?

Speaker 18 (01:18:32):
All of it was positive. All of it was positive.

Speaker 17 (01:18:35):
There was so much, you know, I did so much research.
I began to I just I was able to understand
on a much deeper level where my food was coming from,
the cost of it, you know, not just the monetary cost,
but how it got to the plate and the environmental effects,
the ethical view, the aspect of it, the health aspects.

(01:18:57):
Like I actually did a full blow and course on
plant based nutrition, so I really went deep with it. It
wasn't just like a oh la la la, I'll try
this to try and be popular. It was like, this
is actually what I'm interested in, and gosh, it was fascinating.
And then there was so much more awareness I think
around around food as a whole and the food production,

(01:19:19):
the side of it, and all of that, which was
horrifying in many ways. And then of course there was
the actual nuts and bolts of creating recipes from plant
based ingredients that still held up on the same level
of the recipes and my other five books which people
had come to know and love. You know, the recipes work,
the recipe, the ingredients have to be accessible, the food

(01:19:42):
has to taste good and be well received.

Speaker 18 (01:19:44):
Like it was hard because I had.

Speaker 17 (01:19:46):
To learn a whole new way of cooking worth some
new ingredients, and so it was really it was a journey.
I could say it was a journey, and a really
good one because now I've kind of come back into
a more balanced space. But I have so much more
sort of a weness around what I'm eating, where it's

(01:20:07):
why I'm eating it, and I have more gratitude around it,
and I have more intention about what I'm eating and
far more balance, which for me is so important.

Speaker 2 (01:20:17):
Because eating doesn't have to be black and white. I mean,
we do what works for you and your body at
a particular time, and I think we want to also
encourage people to experiment and to sort of try something
a little bit new.

Speaker 18 (01:20:29):
Yeah, that's exactly it.

Speaker 17 (01:20:31):
Like I've actually come to a point where life isn't
actually as black and white as I thought it was.
And that's been part of my journey as well, and
it's a really important thing for me.

Speaker 18 (01:20:41):
And that's why.

Speaker 17 (01:20:42):
Yeah, it's again, it's just all about that balance and
common sense. You know, like if I'm buying a chicken,
I'm going to make sure for me personally, I know
that it's or I'm going to con free range chicken,
you know what I mean. Like, it's not just oh,
just stuff everything in my mouth from everywhere like I
was before. There's more discernments, you could say. That's part
of like getting older as well, you know, and caring

(01:21:04):
more about things come from and what you're putting into
your body. And I'm forty now, and so yeah, that's
kind of where I'm at.

Speaker 2 (01:21:12):
I love the way you said I'm forty now, like you,
I still have a long way to go, Chelsea, I.

Speaker 17 (01:21:17):
Know, but I love being forty. I still feel thirty,
but much wiser.

Speaker 2 (01:21:23):
You've mentioned that life is not black and white, and
life is not linear either. It sort of doesn't. It
weaves all over the place, do Yeah. And I know
that you've been through a lot of changes in the
last four years of your life, You're in a good place.

Speaker 17 (01:21:35):
I actually I heard a really cool quote the other
day and from somebody, and they were like, life doesn't
grow in straight lines, like you've just planted a whole
bit of corn rows. It's kind of more like you've
scattered wildflower seeds everywhere and things pop up leaft, right
and center and surprise you and delight you and freak
you out. And that kind of just really resonated with

(01:21:56):
me because I feel like that's how my life has been.
I couldn't have planned it to be this way. I'm
not a great planner anyway.

Speaker 18 (01:22:03):
To be fair, But yeah, the last four years.

Speaker 17 (01:22:05):
It's not been without its es. I mean the last
five years really, because I've had two kids and that
really throws a spanner in the works, and you know,
moving cities and lots of personal changes as well, lots
of personal growth. Like I think the harder kind of
life is the more you grow from it. So I've

(01:22:26):
just arrived in a space where I'm like, Wow, I've
actually never been better. I've never felt better. I've never
felt more grounded and scentered and you know, on track.
But to get there, yeah, it's been.

Speaker 2 (01:22:38):
A bit of a roller coaster, all right then, So
for someone like myself, I've mentioned some of the recipes
that I've loved from Super Good. Where do you reckon?
I should start tasty?

Speaker 17 (01:22:48):
It's a really good question because like you can open
the book and just go right, I know, like way
to start.

Speaker 2 (01:22:55):
There some gorgeous photos in here of your kids. Oh yes,
this is going to be a little bit like a
photo album for them, really, isn't it?

Speaker 17 (01:23:01):
As they it is a memory book of their lives.
And tama A West, who's it takes all my photos.
She's been taking photos for all of my books. She's
been involved in every single one in my box, and
she just knows me so well. So the photos are beautiful.
But honestly, I've just opened it on the Smoky Peace
soup recipe and this is based on my O mars

(01:23:24):
Pea soup recipe and it is just absolutely divine. And
I've got the smoky flavor in there by using a
bit of liquid smoke, you know, so you actually eat
it and it's tasted like you're eating like something with
a bacon hot It sounds like it might be so
sophisticated for me, Chelsea, Oh no, just get a bottle
of smoke added in. A liquid smoke is just literally
water that's been smoked, like it'd smoke a piece of fee.

Speaker 2 (01:23:46):
You buy it, Yeah, I just thought it was going
to be smoking.

Speaker 17 (01:23:49):
Oh god, No, you don't make your own liquid smoke. Geez,
who's got time for that?

Speaker 2 (01:23:53):
No, no, no.

Speaker 18 (01:23:54):
No, we don't.

Speaker 2 (01:23:56):
We don't do that.

Speaker 17 (01:23:57):
We buy a little bottle of it. But it is
a miracle ingredient. And also the first recipe and oh,
actually this one, this is the Moroccan mental soup and
oh my gosh, I don't know. There's just something about it.
It's just it's lentils, but there's also like, you know,
the spices in there. And it's served with some little
chop dates and some preserved lemon on top and a

(01:24:17):
little chimula as well. It's just a separate recipe. It's
just like my I remember I served it to my
mum and she said, this tastes like I'm eating out
at some fancy restaurant. But it's so simple, you know.

Speaker 2 (01:24:28):
It's the idea.

Speaker 18 (01:24:29):
That's the idea.

Speaker 2 (01:24:30):
Chelsea's so lovely to catch up with you. Congratulations on
the seventh book. I'm sure I'm gonna love it as
much as I love the sixth and the previous ones.
Thank you so much for coming.

Speaker 18 (01:24:38):
He thanks, Francesca.

Speaker 2 (01:24:39):
Tasty is available in bookstores now. The panel is next
here on the Sunday Session Sunday with.

Speaker 1 (01:24:45):
Style, The Sunday Session with Francesca Rudkin and Wiggles for
the best selection of great reads US.

Speaker 2 (01:24:52):
Talk And it is time now for the panel, and
I'm joined by TV producer and journalist Irene Gardener.

Speaker 19 (01:24:59):
Good morning, Irene, good morning.

Speaker 2 (01:25:03):
I'm also joined by news Talk ZIDB host Roman Trevors,
who's taking taking his responsibilities this morning very casually. He's
in the building somewhere and he's just disappeared. He hasn't
come to the studio. I think he's trying to chase Chelsea,
went around the building or something. Anyway, Irene, you and
I shall start, because this is we don't need him.

(01:25:24):
This is kind of your wheelhouse.

Speaker 4 (01:25:26):
Bill.

Speaker 2 (01:25:26):
I want to sort of start off by talking about Google,
that has done exactly what we knew that they would
they would do as as we push forward with of course.

Speaker 19 (01:25:38):
The fed digital news media never quite get the name right.

Speaker 2 (01:25:42):
Bill Bargaining bill, and they've worn they'll be forced to
stop promoting New Zealand news content and stop deals with
local newsrooms. If the government goes ahead with it. And
we kind of knew that they would make this threat,
I presume we'd be prepared with how to respond.

Speaker 19 (01:26:02):
I think.

Speaker 6 (01:26:03):
So.

Speaker 19 (01:26:03):
I mean, this has happenedbally everywhere that someone has tried
to legislate Google and Facebook, et cetera. There's been a
massive pushback because they're massive companies. But I'm really hoping
our government don't be put off by that and that
they keep pursuing this because people have been successful in

(01:26:24):
different territories and it really does need to happen because
what the big techers have done to both journalism, which
I have an interest in, and screen production, which I
have an even greater interest in. They've completely broken the
business model because they've taken out advertising. They've taken out

(01:26:47):
the eyeballs for the advertising. It's not a level praying field.
They all operate here, paying a very minimum tax. They
use our broad brand, they harvest our data. They contribute
nothing to local journalism really and certainly nothing to local production.
And so I really hope there is a big pushback

(01:27:08):
because wearing my screen industry hat, my Spada president hat,
we have you know, some lobbying and advocacy work in
the wings. Off the back of this will be the
work to get a levee out of the streamers, which
is a similar but slightly different thing to help local production.
There is a feeling, and I don't have a strong opinion,

(01:27:30):
there is a feeling that we possibly over complicated the
way we've done this with the fair News I can
never remember the full name of it, and that what
we possibly should have done was just an across journalism
and local production, small levee on all of the big techers,

(01:27:50):
the streamers, the Facebook, the Google, etc. Small percentage levee
cloud back into New Zealand journalism and production, probably via
the existing funding agencies. Just keep At some point it's
like it's sort of like a almost like a fee
for operating in news, you know, like a cultural fee
to be a part of the ecosystem here. And I

(01:28:11):
wonder if that would have been more straightforward.

Speaker 2 (01:28:15):
Because I hadn't thought about setting a precedent for streaming services.

Speaker 19 (01:28:18):
And yeah, because that's you know, I'm obsessed with all
of us, because this is what I do in my
job wispared to you know, trying to advocate and trying
to basically save our local production industry. And it's the
same for journalism. And the thing is you can kind
of look at and go, well, who cares if you
want to watch other overseas stuff, but it does matter.
If you lose the New Zealand voice in both journalism

(01:28:40):
and local production, you've lost a lot. I mean you've
lost a lot culturally, but you've actually also lost a
lot in terms of the democratic process. And you can
already see, you know, journalism potentially weakening here, which is
never a good thing when you want to keep the
powerful feet to the fire.

Speaker 2 (01:29:01):
Good morning, welcome to the show if you should join us.

Speaker 20 (01:29:07):
Yeah, cultry the popular Left. I wasn't stuck on the toilet.
I was out in the kitchen making a tea. Look,
I think Google making a billion dollars in the last
financial year. Good on them, whatever, that's great, don't I
don't belittle people for making good money, but making threats
to New Zealand like they are, it's just a bullying tactic.
What would Google be without the news? Just a collection
of pointless, questionably funny cat videos and rabbit warrens.

Speaker 19 (01:29:28):
For them videos.

Speaker 20 (01:29:31):
No, but you know, if you want real news, I
encourage people to get the right apps. Go to news
talks thereb dot co, dot z, you go to the Heral.
Don't go farting around with some namby pamby bunch of
bullies who make plenty of money and don't want to
reinvest in our news service.

Speaker 2 (01:29:45):
So we kind of knew that we were going to
end up in this sort of staring game to wait,
waiting to see who's going to plink first. And it's
it's I mean, we knew that they had this sort
of threat up their sleeves and it was exactly what
they were going to do. And it does make it difficult. Yeah,
it's moving forward.

Speaker 20 (01:29:59):
But I look at these big businesses who are more
than happy to use and not to reinvest, and that
is it's typical of what's known as the dar oss
Man mentality. Take Take, take, take, take. Oh it's fallen
over and broken. What can we do next?

Speaker 19 (01:30:11):
Yeah, we're broken at and romance is so right, I mean,
the brilliant you know, and then they can't even help,
you know, they can't go oh, we actually can completely
decimated your local journalism. But no, we don't need to
bother about that because we're fine.

Speaker 2 (01:30:27):
So both of you are very keen that the government
persists and pursues the fear. Absolutely.

Speaker 19 (01:30:33):
Yeah, well this is the normal tactic all around the world.
So I don't think they should be too freaked out
by it because because this is just yeah, we just
pushed back.

Speaker 2 (01:30:42):
They made the threat in Australia, didn't they And they pulled,
they pulled the things. Do you know, do you know
where they'd ended up? Roman it got resolved, it did
It's okay.

Speaker 19 (01:30:52):
I mean, we might lose, we might not get everything
we asked for, but that's what a negotiation is. You know,
you've got to at least try and get something because
we can't go on the way we are. We're going
to end up with no local journalism and no local
production and that's not good.

Speaker 2 (01:31:08):
So we're holding the line and we're not blinking. I
got it.

Speaker 19 (01:31:10):
I like it all right.

Speaker 2 (01:31:11):
Then, the US election, I think this has been one
of the most fascinating that I can remember for a
long time. We are pretty much exactly a month out
now from the US election, and I didn't expect that
we would see the sitting Democratic president drop out of
the race. We've had a narrow escape on one assassination

(01:31:32):
attempt and another assassination attempt on on on Trump, and
we're seeing the first woman of color on a national ticket.
I mean, I would never have expected any of this
six months ago. Roman, are you actually I mean, have
you seen an election like this? A US election like this?
It's no, this much no.

Speaker 20 (01:31:51):
In the recent years, I've never known New Zealand to
be that captivated by what happens in the US. You've
got forty nine percent support for Harris, forty six percent
for Trump. There's nothing much in it with a ten
day rolling average. What concerned me more than anything, though,
is well, what concerns me more than anything, which of
them has a real focus on world peace, Which of
them is less connected to megalomaniacs, Which one is less mental?

(01:32:13):
Which one tells the truth? And then you've got John Key,
for example, backing Trump. I thought John Key was all right.
I reckon you might have lost it a bit, specifically
mentioning that the promised tariffs that Trump wants to bring
and impose upon the world will not be a concern
because they'll be paid by consumers, US citizens people. That again,
is such a davos Man comment to make from the

(01:32:34):
very wealthy person who has a home in Hawaii, So,
you know, supporting Trump because he's gonna make you a
little bit richer and pass it on to the poor
little proletaria.

Speaker 2 (01:32:43):
But that's what we all do. We all vote for
the person that's going to work best for our situation,
don't we a lot? While some people do. I mean,
I'd like to think we vote for what's best for
a country. Yeah, I think we vote what's best for
New Zealand when I got and vote. But I mean
everybody at the back at the end of the day,
I think Irene is probably still going, well, hang on,
how's this all going to unfold for me?

Speaker 12 (01:33:00):
Who?

Speaker 2 (01:33:00):
How's this going to work for me?

Speaker 19 (01:33:01):
So I find it extraordinary that there are people still
who have sne con thro for because it seems to
me like you're either going to vote for a sexual
assaulting convicted felon who tried to overthrow the government and
overturn an election result he's facing various legal charges, or

(01:33:23):
you're going to vote for an ordinary woman who's done
a lot of work in politics and the law and
as part of a government that's functioning. So I still
find it extraordinary that there's even a choice involved in that,
but there is.

Speaker 20 (01:33:38):
Can I just ask you both, though, Do you think
most of the world FRANCHIESQ. I'd like to ask you.
I know you're not on a panel, but you're the host,
but your opinion counts. Do you think the world has
a concern for this constant trajectory of supporting unleashed mad
dogs like person and Ness and Yahoo. You're like, you know,
we just who cares about that these days?

Speaker 9 (01:33:56):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:33:56):
Definitely. I Mean when I look at this from the outside,
I see that, and obviously I don't get to vote
in this election, but I see that Americans feel that
Trump can deliver better on the economy. And that's something
that Harris has got to do in the next month.
She needs to when it comes to campaigning, she needs
to be campaigning on the economy and what they've done

(01:34:17):
and where they're at and where they're going to go.
Trump basically in the next month he just needs to
stick to the message and well, you know, stick to
the messages that his campaign is trying to tell him
to stick to, which is the economy and the things
that you know, he was that Americans go. Actually we
saw a difference in that when he was in power,
So that's that's what he's got to do things. I

(01:34:38):
think it's really interesting what has happening globally is that
there is a thought by some you know, international politics commentators,
that a lot of the movement we're seeing in the
Middle East at the moment is purely because they feel
that when Harris or Trump come in, there will no
longer be the support there for Israel and things. So
I think that the American election is absolutely where it's

(01:35:00):
at right now having an impact on what is happening globally,
and I think obviously whoever comes into play is also
going to have an impact on that. Who's best for
us in New Zealand? I would probably say Harris only
because she's consistent and she's a little bit more level,
and I believe that she tells us how things are
going to be, that's probably how things are going to unfold,
So that feels more comfortable to me. Iraan.

Speaker 19 (01:35:23):
I think she's less likely to destroy the world. I mean,
I don't like the way even the Democrats are about Israel,
but that is just a part of American politics and history.
That strong support for Israel is just a thing. There
are a lot of Jewish people in America. I totally
understand it. It does put people like Biden and Lincoln

(01:35:43):
and Harris in a really difficult position. I'd like them
to push back more. Maybe she will once she's in.
But anything on the world stage in terms of diplomacy
is going to be better than having a person who
thinks that cozying up to dictators is the way to
make the world a better place. Could be disas.

Speaker 2 (01:36:08):
Thirty days and we'll all be over them.

Speaker 12 (01:36:10):
We're all.

Speaker 2 (01:36:12):
Going to Actually, Iron.

Speaker 19 (01:36:15):
Gause, she can't predict because American poles are just completely useless.
The polls are never right. And even though I'm pretty
certain the Democrats will get the popular vote, that electoral
system is just so weird and wonky that anything can happen.

Speaker 2 (01:36:29):
So hey, Irene, thank you so much. Iron Gunner and
Roman Trumans on the panel with us today. It is
at twenty four to twelve News Talks thet B.

Speaker 1 (01:36:41):
It's the Sunday session with Francesca Rudkin on News.

Speaker 3 (01:36:45):
Talks at B.

Speaker 2 (01:36:47):
I got a lovely text from muzz. A little bit earlier,
I spoke to Honey Hinnemy's smiler about her new book
and her memoir, and he texts to say, I'm a
middle aged white male who loves rugby, and I can
tell you with pride that I'm loving these ladies coming
through the Blackburns sevens and fifteens. It's so entertaining, and
I'm following a few of the girls who are now
playing League Stacy Walker. But great interview, Francisca, because Honey

(01:37:09):
and the other greats paved the way for the girls
of today. Yeah, and that's something that Honey is very,
very very keen to do. So thank you for your text.
But it's nice to hear from you. Jason Pine will
be with you but midday and he's with me. Now,
how are you, Jason.

Speaker 21 (01:37:22):
I'm very good, Francisca, Thank you?

Speaker 7 (01:37:24):
How are you?

Speaker 2 (01:37:24):
I'm very good? Thank you? Who is going to win
the NRL Grand Final tonight?

Speaker 21 (01:37:31):
Let me get a coin out and let me get
a coin out and flip it.

Speaker 2 (01:37:34):
It's Panthers, are you? I'm just going to go Panthers just.

Speaker 21 (01:37:38):
Before all right, well, shall I go storm there in
that case?

Speaker 2 (01:37:41):
To get us off the fence exactly right.

Speaker 21 (01:37:44):
I think it's going to be a cracking final and
I hope it lives up to the hype because these
are clearly the best two sides in the NRL by
some distance, and you know, even sort of ten or
eleven weeks out from the finals, that was pretty obvious
and they really got through the final series with very
little bother. But here they are now too heavyweights Penrith
in their fifth straight Grand Final looking for a four

(01:38:06):
straight premiership. Of course, the last time my Rostro Grand
Final was to the Melbourne Storm. So look, two absolute
juggernauts set to collide tonight. Can't wait for it?

Speaker 2 (01:38:15):
What have you got coming up on the show.

Speaker 21 (01:38:16):
We're going to preview that after two o'clock, but also
tomorrow the all black squad for the Northern Tourist named
Will Sam Kaine be in it? Will TJ Pettinada be
in it? Sir John Kerwin on that after midday and
Mark Robinson, CEO of New Zealand Rugby, he joins us
fairly regularly and today is that day, just after one o'clock.

Speaker 2 (01:38:33):
Fantastic, have a good show, pony. I shall than listening.
Weekend Sport kicks off at midday.

Speaker 1 (01:38:39):
Sunday with Style the Sunday Session with Francesca Rudkin and
Wiggles for the best selection of Greg Reeds He's talk
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Speaker 3 (01:38:52):
Around the World.

Speaker 2 (01:38:55):
Meghan Singleton, blogger at large dot com, joins me. Now,
good morning, good morning.

Speaker 12 (01:39:01):
Now.

Speaker 2 (01:39:01):
I'm sorry that I surprised you with the information about
the UK visitors fee for kiwis last week, but it
was really interesting that you were that you hadn't heard
of it. I mean it had only just come out
in the news, and that's what we do here, were
just constantly leading the news. But interestingly throughout the week,
you know, I was talking to people who are making
plans to travel early next year and I mentioned it

(01:39:21):
to them and they went, so, what did I have
to do?

Speaker 12 (01:39:23):
Yeah?

Speaker 22 (01:39:24):
Well I put it straight out onto my Facebook page
for my followers and they were also like, what have you?
They tagged friends, did you know this? Did you know this?

Speaker 9 (01:39:33):
So?

Speaker 22 (01:39:33):
Yes, thanks to you, your travel correspondent got schooled last
Sunday and I'm.

Speaker 12 (01:39:38):
All over it.

Speaker 2 (01:39:39):
Now what do we need to know?

Speaker 12 (01:39:42):
Okay?

Speaker 22 (01:39:43):
So from January the eighth, we will need to pay
for an ETA and electronic travel authorization. Now we've been
charging people to do that in New Zealand. Remember we
just put our levy up, so we've already been charging
people thirty five dollars for it's just gone up to
one hundred. The USA has the EST which you need
that lasts for two years. This UK ETA will also

(01:40:06):
for two years, and it's only going to be ten pounds.
So you can apply for it from November this year
and it's going to be phased in, so like the
list of countries that are in the first wave. In fact,
some countries can already apply for it Middle Eastern countries,
New Zealander's, Americans, Australians, et cetera. We can start applying
for it from the twenty seventh of November for travel

(01:40:29):
which we won't be required until the eighth of January.

Speaker 9 (01:40:31):
So if you go in before the.

Speaker 22 (01:40:32):
Eighth of January, you don't need to worry about it
doesn't apply. And then the Europeans will They will need
it from the second of April next year. So yeah,
they're just staggering it through and I couldn't find any
info about you know, if it's being earmarked for tourism,
infrastructure or anything like ours is apparently going to be
used for. But everyone needs one, including babies. You need

(01:40:55):
to apply for one for every family member. And yeah
it's ten ten pounds, which.

Speaker 2 (01:41:01):
Is too bad. Okay, So if you're just visiting, you
are just you know, on a holiday, that's what it's for.
It's it's as you said, you could use it for
two years, but it's not to replace any kind of
working visa, nice study, long term studying visa or anything
like that if you're going on holiday. And then obviously

(01:41:23):
if you go into the UK, you go to Europe,
you come back to the UK, you're not paying it again.

Speaker 22 (01:41:29):
No, so you pay the one levee for the two years.
And yes you're still going to need a visa if
you plan to go over to work or do any
of those other things. This is just simply for visiting,
and you'll also need one for transitting. So and of course,
and we charge people that in New Zealand too, So
like Americans might be coming via Auckland on conscious and
going on to Australia and they get pinged because they

(01:41:50):
don't know they need the new Zealand one.

Speaker 9 (01:41:53):
Yes we do.

Speaker 2 (01:41:55):
Yoh, look we're clicking the ticket literally, so you might
not even leave the air airport.

Speaker 22 (01:42:01):
No, you still need one, yep, and you do with
the US as well, because the US actually doesn't have
a like a transit lounge, so you actually have to
enter US soil, go through immigration and everything, and then
get on your next flight departing for.

Speaker 12 (01:42:16):
Europe or whatever. But in New Zealand you could.

Speaker 22 (01:42:19):
Even just come in and be going straight on to
transit and hang on. That won't work unless you're going
through passport control. So if there is a way for
you to just transit, I might be making it up.
This is where you need a travel agent. Maybe they
won't even let you board out of LA if you
going to Australia via New Zealand, might need to combat to.

Speaker 13 (01:42:39):
You on that.

Speaker 2 (01:42:40):
Yes we've traveled continents. But the most important thing that
people need to know if in the New Year you
were heading to the UK, you've got to have this
done before you arrived. Then they don't like it if
you arrive without having this done right, because it can
take a couple of days to process.

Speaker 22 (01:42:55):
I believe you won't get in. So yeah, don't just
think you can just apply for it at the airport,
you know, like people have done because they're caught shortly.

Speaker 12 (01:43:03):
Can take up to three days to process.

Speaker 18 (01:43:05):
Okay, he go hobolic service announced mother.

Speaker 2 (01:43:10):
No, I think that's really sensible. Will be a few
people putting that in their diaries right now, twenty seventh
of November. Just get it done and so you know
that it's taken care of. Thank you so much, Meigan.
Good to catch up with you. Meghan has put all
this information on her on her website, so if you
just want to check on it, head to blogger at
large dot com. It is twelve to twelve books.

Speaker 1 (01:43:31):
With Wiggles for the best selection of great reads.

Speaker 2 (01:43:36):
Joe McKenzie is with me. Now we're going to talk books,
and Patty Gower's got a book out, Yes he does.

Speaker 23 (01:43:42):
The title comes from a comment that he made once
which was filmed and went viral, and he says that
even to this day he's still being stopped by strangers
on the street who recognize him and comment on what
he had to say. So the title of the book
is this is the effing news.

Speaker 9 (01:43:58):
A lot of.

Speaker 23 (01:43:59):
Listeners will know Patty not necessarily know his story, but
we've seen him in the press gallery. He was for
some time and then become a journalist and broadcaster. He
talks about his professional life, about the pressures of the
way that he responded to those pressures, which was often
with depression and alcohol and anger and really didn't manage

(01:44:21):
his life very well for a very long time, but
he was so immersed in the job that he simply
couldn't stop. There's nothing in here, particularly about anything else
to do with his personal life, but it's a really
interesting insight into the way that being on the press
gallery works, the way that politics works, the way that
journalism works, particularly at the moment of course, when so

(01:44:42):
many journalists, including Paddy, are facing such an uncertain future.

Speaker 2 (01:44:46):
Does he cover off news help and the device of
news hup.

Speaker 23 (01:44:48):
Yes, towards the end acts he does, and there's some
terrific anecdotes in there. He doesn't flinch from showing what
a goof he can be. But he comes across as
a really charming, honest, interesting individual who's made a difference
for a lot of people because of the advocacy that
he's done for things like Pike River and I think
it was system fibrosis and all sorts of other things

(01:45:08):
he's got involved with.

Speaker 2 (01:45:09):
It's a good read, and I think that's why we
enjoy him on the TV, you know, and are interested
in his documentaries, because there's something genuine about it. It's
very real. Yeah, yeah, absolutely, tell me about Mad Women
by Chelsea Baker. I believe Chelsea idk e R. This
is a novel.

Speaker 23 (01:45:26):
It's the story of Clove, who has what appears to
be the perfect marriage and the perfect life. She's got
a lovely, reasonably wealthy husband, she's got two kids. Things
are going along swimmingly, but you realize that this is
a life that she's manufactured, and she works very, very
hard to keep it like that, and then one day
it all threatens to come falling down around her when

(01:45:48):
a letter arrives from her mother, who's incarcerated and has
managed to track Clove down, find out her address and
send her a letter. And at that point she knows
that everything that she's so carefully constructed she might lose.
And around that time, she's involved in a minor vehicle
accident and strangely ends up befriending the driver of the

(01:46:08):
other car that she hit, and the two of them
have this increasingly intense friendship as the woman, the other
woman starts to insinuate her way into clothes life, in
the life of her entire family, and the two things,
the mother who's in prison and this new friend are
not unrelated. There's a great deal in close background which

(01:46:29):
becomes revealed, and it is quite chilling in places. But
it's a very very good, tense, clever thriller.

Speaker 2 (01:46:37):
Okay, that was Mad Woman by Chelsea Beaker, and also
This is the Effing News by Paddi gar with the
two books that Joan spoke about today. Thank you so much,
well talk me to wait to see you then.

Speaker 3 (01:46:47):
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