October 5, 2024 • 12 mins
In this week's edition of the Sunday Panel, TV Producer Irene Gardiner and Radio Host Roman Travers join in on a chat about the following issues of the week - and more!
Google threatens NZ media - are we doomed? How did we get here?
US Election - which VP candidate has impressed us? How close does the race look?
dodo bird de-extinction - fund it or leave it?
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Speaker 1 (00:06):
You're listening to the Sunday Session podcast with Francesca Rudgin
from News Talks.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
EDB and it is time now for the panel, and
I'm joined by TV producer and journalist Irene Gardener.
Speaker 3 (00:18):
Good morning, Irene, good morning.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
I'm also joined by News Talks. He'd be host Roman Trevors,
who's taking taking his responsibilities this morning very casually. He's
in the building somewhere and he's just disappeared. He hasn't
come to the studio. I think he's trying to chase Chelsea,
went around the building or something. Anyway, Irene, you and
I shall start, because.
Speaker 3 (00:40):
This is what we don't need him.
Speaker 2 (00:42):
This is kind of your wheelhouse. Bill. I want to
sort of start off by talking about Google, that has
done exactly what we knew that they would they would
do as as we push forward with of course.
Speaker 3 (00:56):
The feed digital news media never quite get the name.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
Right Bill bargaining Bill, and they've worn they'll be forced
to stop promoting New Zealand news content and stop deals
with local newsrooms if the government goes.
Speaker 3 (01:09):
Ahead with it.
Speaker 2 (01:10):
And we kind of knew that they would make this threat.
I presume we'd be prepared with how to respond.
Speaker 3 (01:20):
I think so. I mean, this has happened globally everywhere
that someone has tried to legislate Google and Facebook, etc.
There's been a massive pushback because they're massive companies. But
I'm really hoping our government don't be put off by
that and that they keep pursuing this because people have
(01:41):
been successful in different territories and it really does need
to happen because what the big techers have done to
both journalism, which I have an interest in, and screen production,
which I have an even greater interest in. They've completely
broken the business model because they've taken out advertising. They've
(02:04):
taken out the eyeballs for the advertising. It's not a
level praying field. They all operate here, paying a very
minimum tax. They use our broad brand, they harvest our data.
They contribute nothing to local journalism journalism really and certainly
nothing to local production. And so I really hope there
(02:26):
is a big pushback because wearing my screen industry hat,
my Spada president hat, we have you know, some lobbying
and advocacy work in the wings. Off the back of
this will be the work to get a levee out
of the streamers, which is a similar but slightly different
thing to help local production. There is a feeling, and
(02:47):
I don't have a strong opinion, there is a feeling
that we possibly over complicated the way we've done this
with the Fair News I can never remember the full
name of it, and that what we possibly should have
done was just an across journalism and local production small
levee on all of the big techers, the streamers, the Facebook,
(03:10):
the Google, et cetera small percentage levy Cloud back into
New Zealand journalism and production, probably via the existing funding agencies.
Just keep it simple. It's like it's sort of like
a almost like a fee for operating in New Zealand,
you know, like a cultural fee to be a part
of the ecosystem here. And I wonder if that would
(03:30):
have been more straightforward.
Speaker 2 (03:33):
Because I hadn't thought about setting a precedent for streaming services.
Speaker 3 (03:36):
And yeah, because it's you know, I'm obsessed with all
of us, because this is what I do in my job.
Wispired to, you know, trying to advocate and trying to
basically save our local production industry. And it's the same
for journalism. And the thing is you can kind of
look at it and go, well, who cares if people want
to watch other overseas stuff. But it does matter. If
you lose the New Zealand voice in both journalism and
(03:58):
local production, you've lost a lot. I mean you've lost
a lot culturally, but you've actually also lost a lot
in terms of the demo credit process. And you can
already see, you know, journalism potentially weakening here, which is
never a good thing when you want to keep the
powerful feet to the fire.
Speaker 2 (04:18):
Roman Travers, good morning, welcome to the show.
Speaker 4 (04:21):
Yeah sorry if you should join us, Yeah, country the
popular leaf. I wasn't stuck on the toilet. I was
out in the kitchen making a tea. Look I think
Google making a billion dollars in the last financial year.
Good on them whatever, that's great. I don't belittle people
for making good money, but making threats to New Zealand
like they are. It's just a bullying tactic. What would
(04:41):
Google be without the news? Just a collection of pointless,
questionably funny cat videos and rabbit warrens.
Speaker 3 (04:47):
For there with videos.
Speaker 4 (04:49):
No, but you know, if you want real news, I
encourage people to get the right apps. Go to news talks, thereb,
dot co, dot en is, you go to the hero
don't go farting around with some namby pamby bunch of
bullies who make plenty of money and don't want to
reinvest in our news service.
Speaker 2 (05:03):
So we kind of knew that we were going to
end up in this sort of daring game to wait,
waiting to see who's going to blink first, and it's
it's I mean, we knew that they had this sort
of threat up their sleeves, and it was exactly what
they were going to do. And it does make it
difficult moving forward.
Speaker 4 (05:17):
But I look at these big businesses who are more
than happy to use and not to reinvest, and that
is it's typical of what's known as the davos Man mentality.
Take Take, Take, take take. Oh it's fallen over and broken.
What can we do next?
Speaker 5 (05:29):
Yeah, we're broken at and romance is so right, I mean,
the brilliant you know, and then they can't even help,
you know, they can't go, oh, we actually can completely
decimated your local journalism.
Speaker 3 (05:43):
But no, we don't need to bother about that because
we're fine.
Speaker 2 (05:46):
So both of you are very keen that the government
persists and pursues the fair bargaining.
Speaker 3 (05:51):
Absolutely. Yeah, well this is the normal tactic all around
the world. So I don't think they should be too
freaked out by it because because this is just yeah,
they pushback.
Speaker 2 (06:00):
They made the threat in Astralia, didn't they and they pulled,
they pulled the news and things. Do you know what
do you know where that ended up?
Speaker 3 (06:05):
Roman? It got resolved.
Speaker 5 (06:07):
It did.
Speaker 2 (06:09):
Yeah, it's okay.
Speaker 3 (06:11):
I mean we might lose, we might not get everything
we asked for, but that's what a negotiation is. You know,
you've got to at least try and get something because
we can't go on the way we are. We're going
to end up with no local journalism and no local
production and that's not good.
Speaker 2 (06:26):
So we're holding the line and we're not blinking. I
got it.
Speaker 3 (06:29):
I like it all right.
Speaker 2 (06:30):
Then the US election, I think this has been one
of the most fascinating that I can remember for a
long time. We are pretty much exactly a month out
now from the US election, and I didn't expect that
we would see the sitting Democratic president drop out of
the race. We've had a narrow escape on one assassination
(06:51):
attempt and another assassination attempt on on on Trump, and
we're seeing the first woman of color on a national ticket.
I mean I would never have expected any of this
six months ago. Rom Man, are you actually I mean,
if you've seen an election like the US selection like this.
Speaker 4 (07:07):
It's no, you as much no. And in the recent
years I've never known New Zealand to be that captivated
by what happens in the US. You've got forty nine
percent support for Harris, forty six percent for Trump. There's
nothing much in it with a ten day rolling average.
What concerned me more than anything, though, is well, what
concerns me more than anything is which of them has
a real focus on world peace, which of them is
(07:28):
less connected to megalomaniacs, which one is less mental, which
one tells the truth? And then you've got John Key,
for example, backing Trump. I thought John Key was all right.
I reckon you might have lost it a bit, specifically
mentioning that the promised tariffs that Trump wants to bring
an impose upon the world will not be a concern
because they'll be paid by consumers, US citizens people. That again,
(07:50):
is such a davos Man comment to make from the
very wealthy person who has a home in Hawaii. So,
you know, supporting Trump because he's gonna make you a
little bit richer and pass it on to the poor
little proletaria.
Speaker 2 (08:02):
But that's what we all do. We all vote for
the person that's going to work best for our situation,
don't we a lot? Well, some people do. I mean
I'd like to think we vote for what's best for
a country. Yeah, we vote what's best for New Zealand.
When I got in vote, But I mean everybody at
the back at the end of the day, I think
Irene is probably still going, well, hang on, how's this
all going to unfold for me? Or how's this going
to work for me?
Speaker 3 (08:20):
So, you know, I find it extraordinary that there are
people still who have side to con thro for, because
it seems to me like you're either going to vote
for a sexual assaulting, convicted felon who tried to overthrow
the government and overturn an election result he's facing various
legal charges, or you're going to vote for an ordinary
(08:44):
woman who's done a lot of work in politics and
the law and as part of a government that's functioning.
So I still find it extraordinary that there's even a
choice involved in that, But there is.
Speaker 4 (08:56):
Can I just ask you both, though, do you think
most of the World, FRANCHESC, I'd like to ask you.
I know you're not on a panel, but you're the host,
but your your opinion counts. Do you think the world
has a concern for this constant trajectory of supporting unleashed
mad dogs like person and Ness and Yahoo like you know,
we just who cares about that these days?
Speaker 2 (09:14):
Yeah, definitely. I mean if when I look at this
from the outside, I see that, and obviously I don't
get to vote in the selection, but I see that
Americans feel that Trump can deliver better on the economy,
and that's something that Harris has got to do in
the next month. She needs to when it comes to campaigning,
she needs to be campaigning on the economy and what
(09:35):
they've done and where they're at and where they're going
to go. Trump basically in the next month he just
needs to stick to the message. Well, you know, stick
to the messages that his campaign is trying to tell
him to stick to, which is the economy and the
things that you know he was that Americans go. Actually
we saw a difference in that when he was in power.
So that's that's what he's got to do things. I
(09:56):
think it's really interesting what has happening globally is that
there is a thought by some you know, international politics commentators,
that a lot of the movement we're seeing in the
Middle East at the moment is purely because they feel
that when Harris or Trump come in, there will no
longer be the support there for Israel and things. So
I think that the American election is absolutely where it's
(10:18):
at right now having an impact on what is happening globally,
and I think obviously whoever comes into play is also
going to have an impact on that. Who's best for
us in New Zealand. I would probably say Harris only
because she's consistent and she's a little bit more level,
and I believe that she tells us how things are
going to be. That's probably how things are going to unfold,
So that feels more comfortable to me.
Speaker 4 (10:40):
Iraan.
Speaker 3 (10:41):
I think she's less lightly to destroy the world. I mean,
I don't like the way even the Democrats are about Israel,
but that is just a part of American politics and history.
That's strong support for Israel is just a thing. There
are a lot of Jewish people in America. I totally
understand it. It does put people like Biden and Lincoln
(11:02):
and Harris in a really difficult position. I'd like them
to push back more. Maybe she will once she's in.
But anything on the world stage in terms of diplomacy
is going to be better than having a person who
thinks that cozying up to dictators is the way to
make the world a better place. That could be.
Speaker 2 (11:25):
Disaster US three days and we'll all be over and
we'll all know what we're going to do.
Speaker 5 (11:31):
Actually, Iren go.
Speaker 3 (11:33):
Because she can't predict, because American polls are just completely useless.
The polls are never right. And even though I'm pretty
certain the Democrats will get the popular vote, that electoral
system is just so weird and wonky that anything can happen.
Speaker 2 (11:47):
So, hey, Irene, thank you so much. Iron Gunner and
Roman Trumans on the panel with us today. It is
at twenty four to twelve new Stalks.
Speaker 1 (11:56):
There'd be for more from the Sunday session with Francesca Rudkin.
Listen live to news Talks. They'd be from nine am Sunday,
or follow the podcast on iHeartRadio.
You're listening to the Sunday Session podcast with Francesca Rudgin
from News Talks.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
EDB and it is time now for the panel, and
I'm joined by TV producer and journalist Irene Gardener.
Speaker 3 (00:18):
Good morning, Irene, good morning.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
I'm also joined by News Talks. He'd be host Roman Trevors,
who's taking taking his responsibilities this morning very casually. He's
in the building somewhere and he's just disappeared. He hasn't
come to the studio. I think he's trying to chase Chelsea,
went around the building or something. Anyway, Irene, you and
I shall start, because.
Speaker 3 (00:40):
This is what we don't need him.
Speaker 2 (00:42):
This is kind of your wheelhouse. Bill. I want to
sort of start off by talking about Google, that has
done exactly what we knew that they would they would
do as as we push forward with of course.
Speaker 3 (00:56):
The feed digital news media never quite get the name.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
Right Bill bargaining Bill, and they've worn they'll be forced
to stop promoting New Zealand news content and stop deals
with local newsrooms if the government goes.
Speaker 3 (01:09):
Ahead with it.
Speaker 2 (01:10):
And we kind of knew that they would make this threat.
I presume we'd be prepared with how to respond.
Speaker 3 (01:20):
I think so. I mean, this has happened globally everywhere
that someone has tried to legislate Google and Facebook, etc.
There's been a massive pushback because they're massive companies. But
I'm really hoping our government don't be put off by
that and that they keep pursuing this because people have
(01:41):
been successful in different territories and it really does need
to happen because what the big techers have done to
both journalism, which I have an interest in, and screen production,
which I have an even greater interest in. They've completely
broken the business model because they've taken out advertising. They've
(02:04):
taken out the eyeballs for the advertising. It's not a
level praying field. They all operate here, paying a very
minimum tax. They use our broad brand, they harvest our data.
They contribute nothing to local journalism journalism really and certainly
nothing to local production. And so I really hope there
(02:26):
is a big pushback because wearing my screen industry hat,
my Spada president hat, we have you know, some lobbying
and advocacy work in the wings. Off the back of
this will be the work to get a levee out
of the streamers, which is a similar but slightly different
thing to help local production. There is a feeling, and
(02:47):
I don't have a strong opinion, there is a feeling
that we possibly over complicated the way we've done this
with the Fair News I can never remember the full
name of it, and that what we possibly should have
done was just an across journalism and local production small
levee on all of the big techers, the streamers, the Facebook,
(03:10):
the Google, et cetera small percentage levy Cloud back into
New Zealand journalism and production, probably via the existing funding agencies.
Just keep it simple. It's like it's sort of like
a almost like a fee for operating in New Zealand,
you know, like a cultural fee to be a part
of the ecosystem here. And I wonder if that would
(03:30):
have been more straightforward.
Speaker 2 (03:33):
Because I hadn't thought about setting a precedent for streaming services.
Speaker 3 (03:36):
And yeah, because it's you know, I'm obsessed with all
of us, because this is what I do in my job.
Wispired to, you know, trying to advocate and trying to
basically save our local production industry. And it's the same
for journalism. And the thing is you can kind of
look at it and go, well, who cares if people want
to watch other overseas stuff. But it does matter. If
you lose the New Zealand voice in both journalism and
(03:58):
local production, you've lost a lot. I mean you've lost
a lot culturally, but you've actually also lost a lot
in terms of the demo credit process. And you can
already see, you know, journalism potentially weakening here, which is
never a good thing when you want to keep the
powerful feet to the fire.
Speaker 2 (04:18):
Roman Travers, good morning, welcome to the show.
Speaker 4 (04:21):
Yeah sorry if you should join us, Yeah, country the
popular leaf. I wasn't stuck on the toilet. I was
out in the kitchen making a tea. Look I think
Google making a billion dollars in the last financial year.
Good on them whatever, that's great. I don't belittle people
for making good money, but making threats to New Zealand
like they are. It's just a bullying tactic. What would
(04:41):
Google be without the news? Just a collection of pointless,
questionably funny cat videos and rabbit warrens.
Speaker 3 (04:47):
For there with videos.
Speaker 4 (04:49):
No, but you know, if you want real news, I
encourage people to get the right apps. Go to news talks, thereb,
dot co, dot en is, you go to the hero
don't go farting around with some namby pamby bunch of
bullies who make plenty of money and don't want to
reinvest in our news service.
Speaker 2 (05:03):
So we kind of knew that we were going to
end up in this sort of daring game to wait,
waiting to see who's going to blink first, and it's
it's I mean, we knew that they had this sort
of threat up their sleeves, and it was exactly what
they were going to do. And it does make it
difficult moving forward.
Speaker 4 (05:17):
But I look at these big businesses who are more
than happy to use and not to reinvest, and that
is it's typical of what's known as the davos Man mentality.
Take Take, Take, take take. Oh it's fallen over and broken.
What can we do next?
Speaker 5 (05:29):
Yeah, we're broken at and romance is so right, I mean,
the brilliant you know, and then they can't even help,
you know, they can't go, oh, we actually can completely
decimated your local journalism.
Speaker 3 (05:43):
But no, we don't need to bother about that because
we're fine.
Speaker 2 (05:46):
So both of you are very keen that the government
persists and pursues the fair bargaining.
Speaker 3 (05:51):
Absolutely. Yeah, well this is the normal tactic all around
the world. So I don't think they should be too
freaked out by it because because this is just yeah,
they pushback.
Speaker 2 (06:00):
They made the threat in Astralia, didn't they and they pulled,
they pulled the news and things. Do you know what
do you know where that ended up?
Speaker 3 (06:05):
Roman? It got resolved.
Speaker 5 (06:07):
It did.
Speaker 2 (06:09):
Yeah, it's okay.
Speaker 3 (06:11):
I mean we might lose, we might not get everything
we asked for, but that's what a negotiation is. You know,
you've got to at least try and get something because
we can't go on the way we are. We're going
to end up with no local journalism and no local
production and that's not good.
Speaker 2 (06:26):
So we're holding the line and we're not blinking. I
got it.
Speaker 3 (06:29):
I like it all right.
Speaker 2 (06:30):
Then the US election, I think this has been one
of the most fascinating that I can remember for a
long time. We are pretty much exactly a month out
now from the US election, and I didn't expect that
we would see the sitting Democratic president drop out of
the race. We've had a narrow escape on one assassination
(06:51):
attempt and another assassination attempt on on on Trump, and
we're seeing the first woman of color on a national ticket.
I mean I would never have expected any of this
six months ago. Rom Man, are you actually I mean,
if you've seen an election like the US selection like this.
Speaker 4 (07:07):
It's no, you as much no. And in the recent
years I've never known New Zealand to be that captivated
by what happens in the US. You've got forty nine
percent support for Harris, forty six percent for Trump. There's
nothing much in it with a ten day rolling average.
What concerned me more than anything, though, is well, what
concerns me more than anything is which of them has
a real focus on world peace, which of them is
(07:28):
less connected to megalomaniacs, which one is less mental, which
one tells the truth? And then you've got John Key,
for example, backing Trump. I thought John Key was all right.
I reckon you might have lost it a bit, specifically
mentioning that the promised tariffs that Trump wants to bring
an impose upon the world will not be a concern
because they'll be paid by consumers, US citizens people. That again,
(07:50):
is such a davos Man comment to make from the
very wealthy person who has a home in Hawaii. So,
you know, supporting Trump because he's gonna make you a
little bit richer and pass it on to the poor
little proletaria.
Speaker 2 (08:02):
But that's what we all do. We all vote for
the person that's going to work best for our situation,
don't we a lot? Well, some people do. I mean
I'd like to think we vote for what's best for
a country. Yeah, we vote what's best for New Zealand.
When I got in vote, But I mean everybody at
the back at the end of the day, I think
Irene is probably still going, well, hang on, how's this
all going to unfold for me? Or how's this going
to work for me?
Speaker 3 (08:20):
So, you know, I find it extraordinary that there are
people still who have side to con thro for, because
it seems to me like you're either going to vote
for a sexual assaulting, convicted felon who tried to overthrow
the government and overturn an election result he's facing various
legal charges, or you're going to vote for an ordinary
(08:44):
woman who's done a lot of work in politics and
the law and as part of a government that's functioning.
So I still find it extraordinary that there's even a
choice involved in that, But there is.
Speaker 4 (08:56):
Can I just ask you both, though, do you think
most of the World, FRANCHESC, I'd like to ask you.
I know you're not on a panel, but you're the host,
but your your opinion counts. Do you think the world
has a concern for this constant trajectory of supporting unleashed
mad dogs like person and Ness and Yahoo like you know,
we just who cares about that these days?
Speaker 2 (09:14):
Yeah, definitely. I mean if when I look at this
from the outside, I see that, and obviously I don't
get to vote in the selection, but I see that
Americans feel that Trump can deliver better on the economy,
and that's something that Harris has got to do in
the next month. She needs to when it comes to campaigning,
she needs to be campaigning on the economy and what
(09:35):
they've done and where they're at and where they're going
to go. Trump basically in the next month he just
needs to stick to the message. Well, you know, stick
to the messages that his campaign is trying to tell
him to stick to, which is the economy and the
things that you know he was that Americans go. Actually
we saw a difference in that when he was in power.
So that's that's what he's got to do things. I
(09:56):
think it's really interesting what has happening globally is that
there is a thought by some you know, international politics commentators,
that a lot of the movement we're seeing in the
Middle East at the moment is purely because they feel
that when Harris or Trump come in, there will no
longer be the support there for Israel and things. So
I think that the American election is absolutely where it's
(10:18):
at right now having an impact on what is happening globally,
and I think obviously whoever comes into play is also
going to have an impact on that. Who's best for
us in New Zealand. I would probably say Harris only
because she's consistent and she's a little bit more level,
and I believe that she tells us how things are
going to be. That's probably how things are going to unfold,
So that feels more comfortable to me.
Speaker 4 (10:40):
Iraan.
Speaker 3 (10:41):
I think she's less lightly to destroy the world. I mean,
I don't like the way even the Democrats are about Israel,
but that is just a part of American politics and history.
That's strong support for Israel is just a thing. There
are a lot of Jewish people in America. I totally
understand it. It does put people like Biden and Lincoln
(11:02):
and Harris in a really difficult position. I'd like them
to push back more. Maybe she will once she's in.
But anything on the world stage in terms of diplomacy
is going to be better than having a person who
thinks that cozying up to dictators is the way to
make the world a better place. That could be.
Speaker 2 (11:25):
Disaster US three days and we'll all be over and
we'll all know what we're going to do.
Speaker 5 (11:31):
Actually, Iren go.
Speaker 3 (11:33):
Because she can't predict, because American polls are just completely useless.
The polls are never right. And even though I'm pretty
certain the Democrats will get the popular vote, that electoral
system is just so weird and wonky that anything can happen.
Speaker 2 (11:47):
So, hey, Irene, thank you so much. Iron Gunner and
Roman Trumans on the panel with us today. It is
at twenty four to twelve new Stalks.
Speaker 1 (11:56):
There'd be for more from the Sunday session with Francesca Rudkin.
Listen live to news Talks. They'd be from nine am Sunday,
or follow the podcast on iHeartRadio.
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