October 12, 2024 • 9 mins
This week on the Sunday Panel, Coast Day host Lorna Riley and resident economist at Opes Partners, Ed McKnight, joined in on a discussion about the following issues of the week - and more!
New research reveals over 60 percent of Kiwis are avoiding the news, citing lack of trust and negative impact on mental well-being. Should we be concerned?
Are dress codes outdated? Some Christchurch made headlines for their 'archaic' dress standards. Do we agree with this?
How would we feel if it was proven Sir Ed wasn’t the first to summit Everest?
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Speaker 1 (00:06):
You're listening to the Sunday Session podcast with Francesca Rudkin
from News Talks EDB all the Highs and Low's talking
the big issues of the week. The panel on the
Sunday Session.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
Hey, joining me today, resident economist at Opie's partner's Ed McKnight.
How are you, ed?
Speaker 3 (00:25):
Oh we're doing good. Francisca, great to be here.
Speaker 2 (00:27):
Good to have you, and Coast Day host Laurna riding
is with us. How are you this morning, Launa?
Speaker 4 (00:37):
Dusty, I have a feeling you'll producer carry many have
warn during a little Dusty, I hoped the big last
night and it was a long night and a late
night and Young, I'm hoping it is going to be
very catty today.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
Oh no, we wouldn't have known if you hadn't said
a word. Lorna, Hey, I want to talk about the
study that was released today. We spoke to Dr Alex
Beatty earlier in the show, and the study shows New
Zealanders are avoiding the news and according to the research,
is sixty percent of Kiwi's admit to avoiding news, which
is one of the highest reported rates in the world.
(01:09):
To be honest with you, Lorna I'm not hugely surprised
that less people are paying attention to the news, especially
after the pandemic, but I was surprised it was up
to sixty percent.
Speaker 4 (01:20):
And the fact that we are kind of, you know,
world leaders in avoiding news kind of surprise for me.
I mean, obviously I don't avoid the media because I
work in the media, and my kids don't because I
forced them to know what's going on. But I think
a lot I mean, I saw a few reasons given
for or explanations given as to why that might be
the case here in New Zealand. But I think one
(01:40):
of the big things is a lot of store was
put by that fifty five million dollar public journalism money
that was given. That was referred to often by people
as a bribe for the media, and I see that
brought up all the time, and it wasn't helped by
our now Deputy Prime Minister Winston Peters reiterating that, and
so I think there is still a sense with some
(02:04):
sectors of New Zealand the media is not to be
trusted that they've been given this bribe by the government,
so they're completely biased. I mean I don't see that
at all. I think we have a really robust media here,
but you know, you can't argue with the stats, right, I.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
Mean, yeah, I sort of tended. I wasn't hugely surprised
by the reason. So people talking about the quality of
the news that just makes them unhappy. That really resonates
with me. I can remember coming out of COVID and
people were just I'm done. I don't need to hear
any more news. I just don't need to hear any
more bad news.
Speaker 3 (02:38):
Yeah, And I think it plays into as well. These days,
we often hear in the public discourse is feeling of
being overwhelmed, you know. I often hear that from people
just in like, oh, life is very overwhelming. And I
don't think the media helps himself much because they certainly
play into that. It feels like every time there's a
media story released here in New Zealand, we talk about
something being in crisis. And so what I did this
(03:00):
morning was go to Google News and type in crisis
in z just to see the total rate things that
we say are in crisis in New Zealand. From howth
New Zealand's financial crisis, We've got an energy crisis, there's
the cost of living crisis, there's a G twenty leaders
gathering to battle the financial crisis. Small businesses are in
crisis mode according to the University of Auckland, and there's
(03:23):
a looming crisis around at how we pay for our
aged care sector. And so if you've just been feared
all of their stories every yeah, oh, of course the
climate crisis. You're right, Lord, everything's in crisis, and so
it's easy to see why people might turn off for
that from that when everything appears to be a bad
news story and we're telling ourselves that our country isn't
(03:44):
very good when in fact our country is excellent.
Speaker 2 (03:47):
It's a really good point, and the word starts to
lose its power, doesn't it when we really do hit
a crisis, I mean not, I think it'd be fair
to say that there are some crisis there. Ed what
other tips would you have for the media?
Speaker 3 (03:59):
Well, I think one of the big things is that
I think we need to get back to being a
bit more positive and a lot more news stories. I
find some of the local reporting I sometimes see in
the likes of the Herald is really excellent with the
highlighting small businesses who are actually doing really interesting things.
Do you know what's amazing. Did you know down in
(04:20):
christ SUTs around Canterbury there is a whole aerospace sector
where people are sending stuff up into space and exploring
space from little old New Zealand. And I was amazed
to see that there are some really exciting things happening
and I want to see more of that highlighted because
there are some clever, clever people here in New Zealand
doing amazing things and if you could see that, you'd think, God,
(04:41):
this is a great place to be it.
Speaker 2 (04:43):
Clearly haven't been listening to the Sunday Session. We have
covered that sector quite.
Speaker 4 (04:46):
A lot well.
Speaker 3 (04:48):
Of course, these comments don't apply to the good people
at News.
Speaker 2 (04:51):
Towards No just my show. But you're absolutely right, and
I think it makes a really good point. Unfortunately, most
of a lot of news is negative or bad or tragical, sad,
and it's great to balance that out with really positive
stories about people doing amazing things and great things. But
there's a lot of pressure as well on the on
the industry and you know, finding people to do those
(05:12):
kind of you know, be able to afford maybe to
do those stories and things. It's getting harder and harder.
Speaker 4 (05:18):
Oh yeah, I mean I don't want to No, I
do want to plug my show actually, but Coast is
our tagline is feel good, and we are actually deliberately
an antidote to all that bad news. So everything we
do on, from our songs to every piece of content
that we put on here, is all feel good because
we know that people need that. But I've just come
(05:39):
back from a two and a half week trip to Europe. Honestly,
you appreciate this country so much more when you've been
overseas and you see the quality of not just the
media but the lifestyle as well. So yeah, I would
love to see more highlighted here. But yeah, you know,
the media has a job to do and sometimes, you know,
things do get reported sensationally, but because we are small
(06:01):
and we probably don't have as much good stuff happening.
But it's right, Yeah, more good news people, all good news.
Speaker 2 (06:07):
Yeah, no, and that's where everyone's probably gone on. You're
quite right, they're listening to you. Well done you. Hey, guys,
I noticed that there was an article about christ Church
bars being accused of archaic dress sense And I'm going
to be honest with you, Okay, I think that men
should be allowed to carry your bag. I don't have
a problem with a man having a bag, but actually
I don't also have an issue with a dress code.
(06:27):
I think we are, by our nature very relaxed, very
casual heir in New Zealand. But sometimes it doesn't hurt
to make an effort it to hit.
Speaker 3 (06:35):
Out, believe it or not, Fred Cheska, it was only
a year or two ago that I was at the
christ Church going to some of these bars that they're
talking about. I never thought that the dress code was
much of an issue. I did note in that article
they didn't really show any photos of the specific outfits
that got tuned away. But I agree with you that
(06:55):
I don't have a problem if men are carrying a
bag or somebody's top is particularly share But I do
think that it's appropriate for a private bar to be
able to enforce some sort of dress code. So, for instance,
if you're trying to be a hind up market bar
where people dress up and come and make it an
occasion of it. If someone then turns up and Stubby
is a singler and jendles, I think a bar has
(07:18):
every right to say, hey, this is probably not the
vibe for you right now. Why don't you head on
down to rock Pool, which is a bar in christ
Church where that sort of a time might be totally appropriate.
So I think having some form of dress code is
probably totally fine. It's just how it then gets enforced
and making sure that it's really clear what those standards are.
Speaker 2 (07:38):
Lorna, you always look amazing when I see you out,
I imagine that you're all for, you know, dressing up
and making an effort.
Speaker 4 (07:45):
Well, actually, I have made such an effort Francesca that
I did market research. I went out on the town
Friday night and with bar hopping to several bars in
christ Church. I'm still here at the moment actually, and
I don't see anyone particularly overly dressed. I didn't feel
in any of the bars that we went through that
we were being judged on what we were wearing. All
(08:06):
then anyone else was being judged on what they were wearing.
I do think yes, as Ed says that a man
not being allowed a bag and is completely silly, But
I think Landers we tend to be a bit agile
at the best of times, and I like to see
people dress up for a night out. Why not. I
think it's utterly up to the bars. If they enforce
(08:26):
the policy. As Ed said, we don't know what that
man was wearing. He talked about wearing a sheer top
and being turned away. Maybe nipples aren't appropriate. You know
if I turned up on a shed top, I'd probably
be turned away as well.
Speaker 2 (08:42):
Well, let us know how it goes, Hey, look very quickly,
yes or no answer. How would you feel for New
Zealand if it was proven that Edmund Hillary wasn't the
first to summit Everest? Of course, I'm referring to the
boot of Andy Irvine who was found on Everest. Here
(09:03):
would be Would that be a hit for New Zealand?
Speaker 4 (09:06):
Ed?
Speaker 3 (09:07):
None of my of you? Hillary still did great things.
He was the first to come back and tell the tale.
Speaker 4 (09:12):
Laura, Well, I'd like to see Tensing Norgay mentioned in
the same breath as Edmund Hillary on the print. We
always talk about ed Hillary, and this could take away
from ed Hillary. And I'm thinking what about tins and Norgay?
I mean, he wouldn't have made it. Ed Hillary great
New Zealander though he is, he wouldn't have made it
without Tensing. So I would like to like to see
him acknowledged as well. But you know, big deal. I
don't think they're going to be able to prove it
(09:32):
one way or the other. Was the book going up?
Was the book coming down? We will never know.
Speaker 2 (09:36):
We need to find that camera. Laurna and they had
great to talk to you this morning. Thank you so much.
Speaker 1 (09:41):
For more from the Sunday session with Francesca Rudkin, Listen
live to News Talks it'd be from nine am Sunday,
or follow the podcast on iHeartRadio
You're listening to the Sunday Session podcast with Francesca Rudkin
from News Talks EDB all the Highs and Low's talking
the big issues of the week. The panel on the
Sunday Session.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
Hey, joining me today, resident economist at Opie's partner's Ed McKnight.
How are you, ed?
Speaker 3 (00:25):
Oh we're doing good. Francisca, great to be here.
Speaker 2 (00:27):
Good to have you, and Coast Day host Laurna riding
is with us. How are you this morning, Launa?
Speaker 4 (00:37):
Dusty, I have a feeling you'll producer carry many have
warn during a little Dusty, I hoped the big last
night and it was a long night and a late
night and Young, I'm hoping it is going to be
very catty today.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
Oh no, we wouldn't have known if you hadn't said
a word. Lorna, Hey, I want to talk about the
study that was released today. We spoke to Dr Alex
Beatty earlier in the show, and the study shows New
Zealanders are avoiding the news and according to the research,
is sixty percent of Kiwi's admit to avoiding news, which
is one of the highest reported rates in the world.
(01:09):
To be honest with you, Lorna I'm not hugely surprised
that less people are paying attention to the news, especially
after the pandemic, but I was surprised it was up
to sixty percent.
Speaker 4 (01:20):
And the fact that we are kind of, you know,
world leaders in avoiding news kind of surprise for me.
I mean, obviously I don't avoid the media because I
work in the media, and my kids don't because I
forced them to know what's going on. But I think
a lot I mean, I saw a few reasons given
for or explanations given as to why that might be
the case here in New Zealand. But I think one
(01:40):
of the big things is a lot of store was
put by that fifty five million dollar public journalism money
that was given. That was referred to often by people
as a bribe for the media, and I see that
brought up all the time, and it wasn't helped by
our now Deputy Prime Minister Winston Peters reiterating that, and
so I think there is still a sense with some
(02:04):
sectors of New Zealand the media is not to be
trusted that they've been given this bribe by the government,
so they're completely biased. I mean I don't see that
at all. I think we have a really robust media here,
but you know, you can't argue with the stats, right, I.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
Mean, yeah, I sort of tended. I wasn't hugely surprised
by the reason. So people talking about the quality of
the news that just makes them unhappy. That really resonates
with me. I can remember coming out of COVID and
people were just I'm done. I don't need to hear
any more news. I just don't need to hear any
more bad news.
Speaker 3 (02:38):
Yeah, And I think it plays into as well. These days,
we often hear in the public discourse is feeling of
being overwhelmed, you know. I often hear that from people
just in like, oh, life is very overwhelming. And I
don't think the media helps himself much because they certainly
play into that. It feels like every time there's a
media story released here in New Zealand, we talk about
something being in crisis. And so what I did this
(03:00):
morning was go to Google News and type in crisis
in z just to see the total rate things that
we say are in crisis in New Zealand. From howth
New Zealand's financial crisis, We've got an energy crisis, there's
the cost of living crisis, there's a G twenty leaders
gathering to battle the financial crisis. Small businesses are in
crisis mode according to the University of Auckland, and there's
(03:23):
a looming crisis around at how we pay for our
aged care sector. And so if you've just been feared
all of their stories every yeah, oh, of course the
climate crisis. You're right, Lord, everything's in crisis, and so
it's easy to see why people might turn off for
that from that when everything appears to be a bad
news story and we're telling ourselves that our country isn't
(03:44):
very good when in fact our country is excellent.
Speaker 2 (03:47):
It's a really good point, and the word starts to
lose its power, doesn't it when we really do hit
a crisis, I mean not, I think it'd be fair
to say that there are some crisis there. Ed what
other tips would you have for the media?
Speaker 3 (03:59):
Well, I think one of the big things is that
I think we need to get back to being a
bit more positive and a lot more news stories. I
find some of the local reporting I sometimes see in
the likes of the Herald is really excellent with the
highlighting small businesses who are actually doing really interesting things.
Do you know what's amazing. Did you know down in
(04:20):
christ SUTs around Canterbury there is a whole aerospace sector
where people are sending stuff up into space and exploring
space from little old New Zealand. And I was amazed
to see that there are some really exciting things happening
and I want to see more of that highlighted because
there are some clever, clever people here in New Zealand
doing amazing things and if you could see that, you'd think, God,
(04:41):
this is a great place to be it.
Speaker 2 (04:43):
Clearly haven't been listening to the Sunday Session. We have
covered that sector quite.
Speaker 4 (04:46):
A lot well.
Speaker 3 (04:48):
Of course, these comments don't apply to the good people
at News.
Speaker 2 (04:51):
Towards No just my show. But you're absolutely right, and
I think it makes a really good point. Unfortunately, most
of a lot of news is negative or bad or tragical, sad,
and it's great to balance that out with really positive
stories about people doing amazing things and great things. But
there's a lot of pressure as well on the on
the industry and you know, finding people to do those
(05:12):
kind of you know, be able to afford maybe to
do those stories and things. It's getting harder and harder.
Speaker 4 (05:18):
Oh yeah, I mean I don't want to No, I
do want to plug my show actually, but Coast is
our tagline is feel good, and we are actually deliberately
an antidote to all that bad news. So everything we
do on, from our songs to every piece of content
that we put on here, is all feel good because
we know that people need that. But I've just come
(05:39):
back from a two and a half week trip to Europe. Honestly,
you appreciate this country so much more when you've been
overseas and you see the quality of not just the
media but the lifestyle as well. So yeah, I would
love to see more highlighted here. But yeah, you know,
the media has a job to do and sometimes, you know,
things do get reported sensationally, but because we are small
(06:01):
and we probably don't have as much good stuff happening.
But it's right, Yeah, more good news people, all good news.
Speaker 2 (06:07):
Yeah, no, and that's where everyone's probably gone on. You're
quite right, they're listening to you. Well done you. Hey, guys,
I noticed that there was an article about christ Church
bars being accused of archaic dress sense And I'm going
to be honest with you, Okay, I think that men
should be allowed to carry your bag. I don't have
a problem with a man having a bag, but actually
I don't also have an issue with a dress code.
(06:27):
I think we are, by our nature very relaxed, very
casual heir in New Zealand. But sometimes it doesn't hurt
to make an effort it to hit.
Speaker 3 (06:35):
Out, believe it or not, Fred Cheska, it was only
a year or two ago that I was at the
christ Church going to some of these bars that they're
talking about. I never thought that the dress code was
much of an issue. I did note in that article
they didn't really show any photos of the specific outfits
that got tuned away. But I agree with you that
(06:55):
I don't have a problem if men are carrying a
bag or somebody's top is particularly share But I do
think that it's appropriate for a private bar to be
able to enforce some sort of dress code. So, for instance,
if you're trying to be a hind up market bar
where people dress up and come and make it an
occasion of it. If someone then turns up and Stubby
is a singler and jendles, I think a bar has
(07:18):
every right to say, hey, this is probably not the
vibe for you right now. Why don't you head on
down to rock Pool, which is a bar in christ
Church where that sort of a time might be totally appropriate.
So I think having some form of dress code is
probably totally fine. It's just how it then gets enforced
and making sure that it's really clear what those standards are.
Speaker 2 (07:38):
Lorna, you always look amazing when I see you out,
I imagine that you're all for, you know, dressing up
and making an effort.
Speaker 4 (07:45):
Well, actually, I have made such an effort Francesca that
I did market research. I went out on the town
Friday night and with bar hopping to several bars in
christ Church. I'm still here at the moment actually, and
I don't see anyone particularly overly dressed. I didn't feel
in any of the bars that we went through that
we were being judged on what we were wearing. All
(08:06):
then anyone else was being judged on what they were wearing.
I do think yes, as Ed says that a man
not being allowed a bag and is completely silly, But
I think Landers we tend to be a bit agile
at the best of times, and I like to see
people dress up for a night out. Why not. I
think it's utterly up to the bars. If they enforce
(08:26):
the policy. As Ed said, we don't know what that
man was wearing. He talked about wearing a sheer top
and being turned away. Maybe nipples aren't appropriate. You know
if I turned up on a shed top, I'd probably
be turned away as well.
Speaker 2 (08:42):
Well, let us know how it goes, Hey, look very quickly,
yes or no answer. How would you feel for New
Zealand if it was proven that Edmund Hillary wasn't the
first to summit Everest? Of course, I'm referring to the
boot of Andy Irvine who was found on Everest. Here
(09:03):
would be Would that be a hit for New Zealand?
Speaker 4 (09:06):
Ed?
Speaker 3 (09:07):
None of my of you? Hillary still did great things.
He was the first to come back and tell the tale.
Speaker 4 (09:12):
Laura, Well, I'd like to see Tensing Norgay mentioned in
the same breath as Edmund Hillary on the print. We
always talk about ed Hillary, and this could take away
from ed Hillary. And I'm thinking what about tins and Norgay?
I mean, he wouldn't have made it. Ed Hillary great
New Zealander though he is, he wouldn't have made it
without Tensing. So I would like to like to see
him acknowledged as well. But you know, big deal. I
don't think they're going to be able to prove it
(09:32):
one way or the other. Was the book going up?
Was the book coming down? We will never know.
Speaker 2 (09:36):
We need to find that camera. Laurna and they had
great to talk to you this morning. Thank you so much.
Speaker 1 (09:41):
For more from the Sunday session with Francesca Rudkin, Listen
live to News Talks it'd be from nine am Sunday,
or follow the podcast on iHeartRadio
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