Francesca Rudkin: We've had a stadium update - but the competition continues

After two years, Auckland Council has finally picked a winner in the race to be the future New Zealand national stadium.  

Although it doesn’t really feel like a win. Just a little more clarity. And maybe not even that. 

The process was supposed to take three months - but on Thursday, Auckland Council finally picked between the final contenders - a new stadium on the waterfront or a renovated Eden Park - and confirmed their preference for Eden Park.  

It’s at this point we should acknowledged the stamina of those involved in the projects which answered Auckland Council’s call in 2023 for expressions of interest for a new or (in Eden Park’s case) upgraded stadium. I applaud their passion for bold ideas, and ambition to create a more vibrant city that will attract people, performers and financial returns.  

I just hope they’ve got a lot more stamina in them, because there’s still a fair distance to travel. 

That’s because after all this time and debate - dating back to 2006 when the council contemplated a waterfront stadium over Eden Park for the 2011 Ruby World Cup - there isn’t actually any public money available to get any of this done.  

The council doesn’t have any money budgeted for a ‘national stadium’; they’re passing the ball to central Government. But council support is important to the Eden Park Trust, as there are currently constraints on how it can be used, and there’s no point spending another cent on Eden Park if it can’t be used more as a multi-purpose venue.  

The council would also quite like Eden Park to repay its $58 million loan from the 2011 Rugby World Cup by its due date - 2029. 

Eden Park CEO Nick Sautner told Mike Hosking Breakfast on Friday he was confident about the conversation Eden Park could have with central Government. And why wouldn’t he be - the Prime Minister has made it clear he wants New Zealand to have a culture of saying ‘Yes!’  

$110 million is what Eden Park needs for the first of stage of development on the Lower North Stand construction - allowing removable seating and a fuller cricket field. According to Sautner, Eden Park is not looking for new money, but for the government to be more efficient with existing money. I’m not sure what this means - are they targeting Sport and Recreation’s budget or the infrastructure budget?  

Sautner’s confidence likely dimmed a little by the end of the day when Associate Finance Minister David Seymour politely told Ryan Bridge on Newstalk ZB that everyone is a bit short of money these days, even the Government, and it’s hard to imagine they would put $110 million into a stadium.  

The Prime Minister added that putting money towards schools, hospitals and roading was more of a priority than helping fund an upgraded Eden Park.  

They might need to crack into a PPP for funding sooner than they’re currently anticipating, for Stage 2.  

So, while some celebrated that clarity had been provided - we’re sticking with the status quo - we haven’t really put the great New Zealand stadium debate to bed. Why? Because it didn’t really matter who the council picked, both options can continue regardless of the council’s decision. It comes down to who finds the money first. From what I’ve heard, the Te Tōangaroa consortium is continuing with its planning for the waterfront stadium.

No one can argue schools, hospitals and roads aren’t more important, but hopefully someone with the stamina and vision can pull off one of these options sometime in the next decade.  

I’m not going to hold my breath. 

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:06):
You're listening to the Sunday Session podcast with Francesca Rudkin
from News Talks a'b.

Speaker 2 (00:12):
So after two years, Auckland Council has finally picked a
winner in the race to be the future New Zealand
National Stadium, although it doesn't really feel like a win,
just a little more clarity and maybe not even that.
The process was supposed to take three months. But on Thursday,
Auckland Council finally picked between the two contenders a new
stadium on the waterfront or a renovated eden Park and

(00:33):
confirmed their preference for Eden Park. It is at this
point we should acknowledge the stamina of those involved in
the projects, which answered Augland Council's call in twenty twenty
three for expressions of interest for a new or upgraded stadium.
I applaud their passion for bold ideas and ambition to
create a more vibrant city that will attract people, performers

(00:53):
and financial returns. I just hope they've got a lot
more stamina in them because there's still a fair distance
to travel. That's because after all this time and bait
dating back actually to two thousand and six, when the
Council contemplated a waterfront stadium over Eden Park for the
twenty eleven Rugby World Cup. There isn't actually any public

(01:16):
money available to get any of this done. The Council
doesn't have any money budgeted for a national stadium. They're
passing the ball to central government. But council support is
important to eden Park Trust is there are current constraints
on how it can be used and there's no point
spending another cent on eden Park if it can't be
used more as a multi purpose venue. The Council would

(01:39):
also quite like eden Park we repay it's fifty eight
million doll a loan from the Rugby World Cup by
its due date twenty twenty nine. Eden Park CEO Nick
Saughton had told My Costing Breakfast on Friday he was
confident about the conversation eden Park could have with Central
Government and why wouldn't he be. The Prime Minister has
made it clear he wants New Zealand to have a
culture of saying yes. One hundred and ten million is

(02:03):
what eden Park needs for the first stage of its development,
the Lower North Stand. According to Thorntner, Eden Park is
not looking for new money, but for the government to
be more efficient with existing money. And I'm not sure
what this means. Are they targeting sport and recreations budget
or the infrastructure budget Sortnan's confident confidence lightly dimmed a
little by the end of the day when Associate Finance

(02:25):
Minister David seemed more politely told Ryan Bridge here on
news Talks. Heb that everyone's a bit shorter of money
these days, even the government, and it's hard to imagine
they will put one hundred and ten million into a stadium.
The Prime Minister added that putting money towards schools, hospitals
and roading was more of a priority than helping fund
and upgraded Eden Park. They might need to crack into

(02:46):
a PPP for funding sooner than they're currently anticipating for
Stage two. So while some celebrated that clarity had been provided,
we're sticking with the status quo. We haven't really made
a decision or put to bed the great New Zealand
stadium debate. Why because it didn't really matter who the

(03:07):
council picked. Both options can continue regardless of the Council's decision.
It comes down to who can find the money first.
And from what I've heard, the Tatoo Luoa Consortium is
continuing with its planning for a waterfront stadium. Look, no
one can argue schools, hospitals, roads are more important. But

(03:27):
hopefully someone with the stamina and vision can pull off
one of these options sometime in the next decade. I'm
not gonna hold my breath.

Speaker 1 (03:38):
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