Full Show Podcast: 04 May 2025

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Speaker 1 (00:06):
You're listening to the Sunday Session podcast with Francesca Rudkin
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Speaker 2 (00:13):
It's Sunday. You know what that means.

Speaker 1 (00:15):
It's the Sunday Session with Francesca Rudkin and Wickles for
the best selection of Grape reads us Talks EDB.

Speaker 3 (00:28):
Good morning and welcome to the Sunday Session. I'm Francesca Rudkin,
with you until midday. Good to have you with us.
I've got a couple of fabulous guests for you this morning.
Joining me after ten is David Nichols, author of books
such as One Day Us and You Are Here. David's
also a screenwriter for TV and film, often adapting his
own works. He's heading to New Zealand for the Autan
Writers Festival and he joins me to talk about success, pressure, writing,

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comedy and the joys of walking. After eleven, I'm joined
by the amazing singer songwriter Lady Six, who is back
with new music for the first time in seven years.
Her most personal project to date, her new album of
Our is a tribute to her mum, who died in
twenty twenty. Joins me to talk about grief and healing
and her Mum Lady six after eleven and the Ossie

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election results are and for the first time since two
thousand and four, an Ossie Prime minister has one a
successive term. But it was carnage for the coalition with
opposition leader he had done losing his seat. We head
to OZ for the fall at Dutton. Sorry losing his seat.
We head too OZ for the fall out next and
as always you were most welcome to text throughout the morning.

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Ninety two ninety two.

Speaker 1 (01:34):
For Sunday session.

Speaker 3 (01:38):
It's eight past nine. These days, I have blurred memories
of my time at primary school in Auckland in the
late seventies early eighties, but I can very clearly remember
my ASB school Banking book. ASB began school banking in
nineteen seventy two was a way for children to learn
about saving and banks, and I guess it was also

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with a view to retaining us as customers when we
were in the workforce and had real amounts of money.
On banking days, I can remember bring my fifty cents
to school. I know this is one of those and
my day stories, but fifty cents, I'd take it to
school and I'd make my deposit My book was stamp
marked with the date and the deposit in a new
balance amount written in and goodness did I love watching

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the balance increase. I'm pretty sure at one point I
had an ASB cash and elephant box money box as well.
I'm sure this is ringing a bell with some of you. Now, look,
this is far from what the government proposed this week,
compulsory financial education for students up to year ten starting
in twenty twenty six, but encouraged by my parents. It
was at primary school that my understanding of savings and

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budgeting began, because it was easy and available while I
was budgeting to add to my rubber and sticker collections.
The real benefit was that I became a good saver
and it has stuck with me for life, as has
my now worthless rubber collection, currently in a box under
the stairs. I know teachers are inundated with curriculum changes

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and already have a lot to deal with in the classroom,
but there must be room to grow financial literacy beyond
what's already in the maths curriculum. Concepts like saving, budgeting,
debt and investment of all the things student learned to
prepare that prepare them for life after school. Surely this
is among the most useful and important. Yes, this is

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something parents should be teaching their children. But financial knowledge
is not equal amongst adults. Some parents don't like talking
about money, Some assume their children will pick up good
money management habits for osmosis, Some prefer to leave it
to an expert to explain along the way, and many
children just don't listen to their parents. When my son
got his first part time job, I suggested he read

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Get Started Investing by the guys behind Equity Mates podcasts.
There've been guests on the Sunday session. I just thought, well,
this is perfect for a teen boy. He'll relate. But no,
the idea of having his own money and the freedom
to spend it how he liked was way too exciting
And Okay, I was probably a bit optimistic, but at
least I know that in theory he understands the idea
of compound interest. Look, I'm enthusiastic about my children becoming

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financially independent as quickly as possible. So the more information
they have from as many sources as possible, the better
prepared they are to make good decisions. And as an adult,
I'm still learning how to manage my money better. So
let's get them started young. We don't know what the
curriculum requirements will be at the stage, but let's give
our children the basics and the best chance to be

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good with money.

Speaker 2 (04:34):
For life for Sunday session.

Speaker 3 (04:38):
So I think it's a really sensible announcement around this
from the Education Minister this week. I'm all for it.
Let's make talking money and understanding money part of day
to day life. Most welcome to send me your thoughts.
You can text are ninety two ninety two and someone else.
Please tell me that you spent your pocket money when
you're in kit on something as bizarre as a rubber collection,
rubbers that you were never actually allowed to use. Just

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look at it. As eleven past nine, we head to
Australia next.

Speaker 1 (05:07):
There's no better way to start your Sunday. It's a
Sunday Session with Francesca Rutkin and Wiggles for the best
selection of great Reads.

Speaker 2 (05:15):
News talks at the.

Speaker 3 (05:19):
Fourteen past nine. A victory for Anthony Albanesi and his
Labor Party in the Australian election. It was a decisive win,
with Labor claiming an even larger majority The wind makes
Albanesi the first Prime minister to win back to back
elections since John Howard in twenty and twenty two thousand
and four. Here is Anthony Albanesi last night.

Speaker 4 (05:40):
Today, the Australian people have voted for Australian values in
this time of global uncertainty. Australians have chosen optimism and determination.
Australians have chosen to faced global challenges the Australian way,

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looking after each that while building for the future.

Speaker 3 (06:10):
Australian correspondent Murray Olds joins me, now, good morning, Murray Francesca,
good morning to you. He was pretty emotional at the
beginning of that speech, wasn't he.

Speaker 5 (06:20):
Oh he was, he was, But pardon me. When you
look at Albaneze's career, he's always warn his heart on
his sleeve. I mean, as a young university student he said,
I'm here to fight Trotskies. I'm here to fight Tories,
I should say. And you know he was raised by
his mum in a state house in Sydney, very very

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close to his mother and he's always demonstrated that. And
you compare that to Peter Dutton. Both leaders last night
gave very gracious acknowledgment of each other. But you cannot
get away from the fact. And you mentioned John how
the last leader to went back to back elections on
the Labour side, it's Bob Hawk and you're going back

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almost two generations. So this is an epic win for Labor.
And such is the scale of the defeat. You have
to look over the next three years and think, unless
Labor really stuffs things up, it's going to have another
election win in three years time. Because the Liberals, whatever
the Liberals stand for, the conservative right of Australian politics,

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is a complete disarray. This morning they are absolute shot ducks.
I'm looking at the returns that we have now because
counting is resuming today. Labor went into this election Francesca
with a one seat majority. Now looking this morning, they've
won eighty five seats. The Liberal National Party's won thirty six,

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The Greens have lost maybe four seats. Independents are going
to put on some seats. We've still got about twenty
in doubt. So the Liberal National Party coalition, the Concert
and so called Conservatives are going to make up some
of that ground. But Heaven's above, this is a shattering loss.
Peter Dutton lost his own seat, the Liberal leader. It's
an echo of what happened in Canada Donald Trump. I

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know you're going to be talking about him, but that
did play a big part over here as well.

Speaker 3 (08:09):
Okay, first of all, what do you put it down
to such a decisive when for Labor.

Speaker 5 (08:17):
Well, there was a number of things. I mean, you've
got in the first year of the Labor government, the
Opposition completely dominated Labor under Peter Dutton. That was the
Voice Referendum, where Labor set out to enshrine in the
Australian Constitution a voice for Indigenous Australians that was shot

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down sixty percent to forty percent, driven by the coalition.
And you know what I think, then the opposition thought
we've got Labor on toast. What a soft bunch we've
got across the political aisle from us Albanezi really lost
as Mojo. He invested so much Francesca in getting that
Indigenous support across the country and he was comprehensively defeated.

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So I think maybe there's a bit of complacency there.
And to be honest, hand on heart, a bloody lazy.
There was no policy development, any suggestion inside the Liberal
National Coalition that maybe the leader was wrong. Well, those
people were just excluded, they were shut out, sent to purgatory.
And the other thing is the personality of the two leaders.

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I'll give you an example. The woman who's won Peter
Peter Dutton's seat of Dixon and Brisbane is a woman
who for a third time lucky. Her name is Ali Franz.
Ali Franz lost a leg in a car park of
Brisbane Shoppings at a car park when an eighty eight
year old fellow rammed her by accident with his car.

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She'd just managed to shove her son out of the
way in his pram. So she's getting around on one
leg and Peter Dutton's once said about her she's using
her disability as a reason not to live in the electorate.
And only a year or so after she lost a leg,
she lost her eldest son to leukemia. He wasn't even twenty.

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So this is a woman who has just fronted up
time and time and time again Peter Dutton disparag Peter
Dutton went out of was way to say, for example,
you know we don't need welcomes to country from indigenous Australians.
In fact, most people like it. Most people acknowledge the
fact that Indigenous Australians has been here for sixty five
thousand years.

Speaker 6 (10:25):
Not under Peter Dutton.

Speaker 5 (10:26):
He just disparages that as well. And every policy the
Liberal Party came out with was pinched from labor except
the ones that Dutton backflipped on, for example, working from home.
Who does he think works from home? A lot of
women work from home. So the only people that if
you look at these figures this morning, the only people
who voted for Dutton and their labor like coalition on
the right were boomers. Young people wouldn't have voted for them.

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I'll be fascinated to see these figures. Not many young
people would have voted for them. Not many women would
have voted for them. This is a catastrophic defeat for
the right and how you know where they go from here?
And the other thing to think about too, the next
generation of Liberal leaders. They've been decimated this morning, one, two, three, four,
At least four I can think of, and as I say,

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about twenty seats still to be counted, at least four
potential leaders have gone. You have to be in the
Lower House to get to become a Liberal leader. So
at least four of the next generations have gone. That's
the scale of this defeat.

Speaker 3 (11:25):
Is this all on Dutton or are there other factors
in this lost for the Liberals?

Speaker 5 (11:29):
Oh, look, a lot of it's down to the leader,
of course, because he sets the tone right. But behind
him he had the most vacuous and competent I mean,
you get more animation from those bloody stone heads on
Easter Island they sit there behind Dutton. They're just lazy.
There was no work done on alternative policy. Everything Labor

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proposed at this election, the Liberal parties said, oh, you know, yes,
we're going to back that, except the budget that they
had to be brought down because of course Cyclone Elfred
came along and ruined Albaneze's plans to go a bit earlier.
So in the budget Labour says we're going to give
people the tax cut. The opposition thought it was a
great idea to say no, no, not hope, we're going

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to oppose that tax cut. I mean, who the hell
goes into an election opposing a tax cut for everybody.
It just makes no sense and it points to their
electoral stupidity, the naivety. I mean on the Labour side,
You've got some bloody hard heads in there who were
doing a hard work. A lot of it's unpopular, and
you know, these are very very troubled times and Labor

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has not got everything right. Far from it, There's been
some disaster. But at the end of all the infighting
and so on, Labour's formed a big, big majority overnight.
I guess we're not going to see the exact scale
of that Francesco until maybe early this coming week. But
right now this morning, let me just repeat, they went

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in with one seat majority in the one hundred and
fifty seat parliament. This morning are sitting on eighty five
eighty six, the Liberal National Party coalition on thirty six.
That's fifty seats. The difference. The Greens have been shattered
up in Queensland and the Independents are going to get
a scattering. More So, the scale of this is you
cannot overstate the significance of this victory.

Speaker 3 (13:16):
Maray, you mentioned that, you know, you've lost a few
potentials when it comes to the leadership for the Liberals,
and presuming Dutton's done, who is lining up to take
his job.

Speaker 5 (13:26):
There's a young fellow from Western Australia, Andrew hasty. He
is the shadow Defense Minister. He's not yet fifty. He
spent a lot of time serving in the Special Air Service,
the SAS. He was the captain of the SAS super
well regarded forty six or forty seven. I think he
is maybe he might be considered a little young. You've

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got someone called Dan Chian. He's a Victorian MP. He
was a trade minister. He's been around for a long
long time, but he's about as exciting as a cigar
store Indian. You've got Susan Leed who holds a country
seat for the Liberal Party. I reckon a decent puffer
wind would blow her away. She just sounds she's got
enough and to say. And the other one is Angus Taylor. Now,

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if you could find a more wooden and more I
don't think you could find a more wooden shadow treasurer
than Angus Dutton. He just opened his mouth to change feet.
It was just an embarrassment to watch it. And if
this is the best that I've got, Honest to god,
you have a look at this guy on television. He
bumbles and he's a Rhodes scholar. You must have bumped
his head on the car door on the way into
the Buddy election room. He is just hopeless. And if

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this is the quality of their potential leaders, I mean,
out of that lot, you'd have to go with Andrew Hasty,
but all these grand poobas and little party Oh no,
he's far too young, far too young. Give it to
someone we know well. But gee, that's work well, hasn't it? Oh?

Speaker 3 (14:47):
Murray, look as always, thank you so much for your
time this morning, very much, appreciate it for the Sunday session.
So in the space of a week, we've seen both
Canada and now Australia re elect their incumbents into left governments.
Are we seeing a swing away from Trump style politics?
The Trump slump as it's been labeled to discuss. I'm
joined by former New Zealand minister and National Party m

(15:09):
pie Steven Joyce. Good morning, Stephen, Thanks for your time
this morning.

Speaker 6 (15:13):
No worries, Francesca, how are you?

Speaker 3 (15:15):
I'm very good, Thank you, especially after that very colorful
description of the strug Murray, It's okay, no pressure. Are
we seeing a big swing in world politics?

Speaker 6 (15:25):
Here?

Speaker 3 (15:26):
Are there links between these two victories? Do you think?

Speaker 5 (15:29):
Yeah?

Speaker 6 (15:29):
I think there is, and not the way some people
would think, which is just sort of a wipeout of
the right. I think it is more that sort of
mega style populist politics, which I think is being driven
more by social social media in terms of people believing
it to be popular and then they find out later

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it isn't. And I think that's the same as what
happened to the left, to be frank and unfortunately from
the rights perspective, they're learning the same lesson the left.
In between twenty seventeen twenty twenty two, Justin Truda, Ja
Cinder Radern and others all convinced themselves that their view
was the only view that mattered. I think partly off

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the back of what I call the social media echo chamber,
which is fundamentally that you only hear the views of
people that identify with you. There's been a big switch
around and now we're going the other way, and the
right as if you like, got hold of social media
and it's created an echo chamber of its own now,
starting with Elon Musk and X and people convince themselves that, oh,

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the whole world agrees with us, and then they find
out that actually there's a broad middle which never engages
with social media and this is applies to both the
left and the right, and social media are so beguiling
and so all encompassing that you think that you have
found a tribe, a large tribe, that agrees with you.

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But actually the broad middle of politics is much more
pragmatic about what they want to see happen in the world.
They're not so much rested in the culture wars, but
they on the left or right actually just want to
get ahead for their families. And that's the middle. And
I think what we've seen in these two elections is
the middle has asserted itself and said, right, this is

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broadly what we want, and this is the crowd we
think are going to be best suiting us at this time. Now,
it doesn't mean it's going to continue. I'm not arguing
that the left has got a monopoly on this. I
think they probably had to learn their lessons three or
four years ago.

Speaker 3 (17:31):
It's interesting, though, isn't it, Because neither party was in
a good position to win their respective elections if you
look at Canada and Australia, but it almost felt like
it was a last minute swing saw.

Speaker 6 (17:41):
Them do so that my point, I mean, justin Trudeau
was gone for all money. He represented that sort of
left identity politics that people had enough of, and so
he was gone. And then Karney, when you look at it,
he actually swung right away from Trudeau's a legacy if
you like. He canceled a whole lot of staff. He

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made it very clear that he was about the center.
He had the advantage, of course, of Trump attacking Canada,
which meant he could lay out a store. But that
applied to his opponent as well, except that his opponent
couldn't capitalize on that. So that was Canada and in Australia,
similar sorts of issues they had. Now Albanezi was not popular.

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Elbow was struggling to survive this first term. He looks sluggish,
he looks slow. And then and then he actually hued
to the center. He dropped all the voice stuff and
he started talking about costs of living. He went into
the election with a better tax package than the Liberals,
you know, in other words, he was going to cut

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taxes and they were opposing it, which is nuts. But
he'd basically said, oh, all the centers where it's out,
I better go after them. And he did a good
job of that. There's no denying it.

Speaker 3 (18:54):
The Trump slump. Is it a thing? Do you think
we're seeing an active move away from the style of politics.

Speaker 6 (19:00):
I think we're seeing an active realization that some of
the simple ideas of Donald Trump and his crew are
not going to work. And he's back pedaling rapidly, and
I think people are sort of realizing that, you know,
you put tariffs on everybody, fundamentally, your costs go up

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and your consumers pay more, and it gets harder and
people lose their jobs and so on and so forth.
And he's back pedaling madly at this point. And I
think it's what happens when you know, and again, it
can happen on the left or right. You get sort
of slogan type politics, which are really sort of you know,
we'll tax the ritual will or we'll well, well, we'll

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put the tariffs up and the world cannot pay its
money and it'll be brilliant. I mean, it's the sort
of stuff you hear in a taxi or in a pub.
You just don't expect it to turn up necessarily in
the president of the United States.

Speaker 2 (19:55):
It has.

Speaker 6 (19:56):
And so now we're in the process of working out
that there's a reason that these sorts of suggestions stay
in the pub or in the taxi, and that's because
they don't turn out to be that practical.

Speaker 3 (20:04):
Still, it's a long way out. But does this give
us any insights that could play into the New Zealand
election next year?

Speaker 5 (20:11):
Yeah?

Speaker 6 (20:11):
I think so. I think well only in the sense
that it reminds all politicians at the center is where
elections are won and lost. The playing to your own
based crowd only gets you so far. And that's a
little bit different than MMP in New Zealand because we
have parties that can on the left and right that

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can play to their own crowd. But the battles won
in the center, and that's where Labor and National and
to some degree in New Zealand first play and that's
where that's where the battle is won. That doesn't mean you,
you know, people would say, oh, maybe that means you
can't do anything adventurous policy wise, and that's not true,
because there are lots of big issues that need to

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be solved and some of them will evolve significant new
policy initiatives. But what it does mean is that you
actually have to you actually have to persuade the broad
middle that these are the right moves it's not enough
to persuade social media and everybody who's on social media
that it's a good idea, because they will tell you
it's a brilliant idea and then you'll lose.

Speaker 3 (21:13):
Stephen, Well, I've got you this Ossie result. Does it
have an impact on our relationship with OZ or is
it just business as usual?

Speaker 7 (21:20):
No?

Speaker 6 (21:20):
I don't think it has an impact. It's interesting between
New Zealand and Australia. You know, we know politicians reasonably
well on both sides of the fence. I actually know
Anthony Albanezi quite well from when we were both Transport
ministers and then subsequently when he was Leader of the Opposition.
We get on pretty well. We disagree on politics but

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on policy, but we get on pretty well. He's a
very friendly guy to New Zealand in the same way
I mean that probably dread the comparison, but in the
same way Scott Morrison was before him. He understands New
Zealand and New Zealanders. So I don't see it massively changing,
and there is any way this sort of fraternal thing
that we have between our two countries.

Speaker 3 (22:03):
Stephen Joyce, thank you very much for your time this morning.
Interrupted the bike rider.

Speaker 6 (22:07):
Have you finished the bike ride? Had finished bike ride,
riding along with the daughters the best kind you were.

Speaker 3 (22:17):
The best kind of bike ride. Thank you so much
for your time. That was Stephen Joyce. It is twenty
eight to tenure with the Sunday Session.

Speaker 1 (22:27):
It's the Sunday Session with Francesca Rudkin on news Talks.

Speaker 3 (22:31):
That'd b and joining us now to talk local politics
news talk. They'd be senior political reporter Sophie Triggers with me.

Speaker 8 (22:37):
Good morning Sophie, Good morning Francesca, how are you good?

Speaker 3 (22:41):
Thank you right? The House is back this week, has
had a three week recess and of course we have
the budget coming up on the twenty second of May.
Are you expecting a flurry of pre budget announcements or
do you think the fine Nance Minister is going to
keep these sort of things quite tightly tucked away.

Speaker 8 (23:00):
Well, yes, you're quite right, Francesca. Parliamentarian's return this week
after a long recess, and we do have the budget
coming up in less than three weeks away, so we
could expect some pre budget announcements to be made in
the next couple of weeks.

Speaker 9 (23:17):
But the Finance Minister, Nicola.

Speaker 8 (23:19):
Willis has also been very clear in her warnings not
to expect too much from this budget. She made a
pre budget speech this week saying the government plans to
cut to billions of dollars worth of programs that started
under the previous government in order to free up cash.

Speaker 9 (23:36):
For the budget.

Speaker 8 (23:37):
And she also said that there would be just one
point three billion dollars worth of new discretionary operating spending.
That's what we call the operating allowance, which is the
smallest amount since twenty fifteen, and that's also a big
drop from what was planned with Willis last year, saying
the budget would include two point four billion dollars of
new operating spending. So Nichola Willis has told ministers not

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to expect any new money unless they can come up
with their own cost cuts to be reinvested, and she
said while most public sector departments won't be getting any
new money, there will be some exceptions in areas like health, education,
law and order, defense, and a small number of critical
social investments.

Speaker 10 (24:20):
She also said that they have found.

Speaker 8 (24:22):
Room for what she's called modest measures to support business
growth and to provide some carefully targeted cost of living relief,
but she certainly made it very clear that the budget
isn't a lolly scramble, so we certainly won't be expecting
to see big spending announcements in the next coming weeks.

Speaker 3 (24:40):
Flaska finance ministers like to sort of sit the vibe,
don't they. They like to give you sort of the
tone of what to expect and from everything you're saying,
I imagine it's got tight would be the word I
would use.

Speaker 8 (24:51):
Yes, Yes, she's definitely advising people to keep their expectations
very low.

Speaker 3 (24:57):
Where are we at with the senior doctors and their
strike action over ongoing pay disagreements.

Speaker 8 (25:05):
Yes, this has been a a big story this week, Francesca.
We had more than five thousand senior doctors led by
the Association of Salaried Medical Specialists, on strike for twenty
four hours and they're not ruling out further industrial action now.
Newstalk ZB spoke with some of the striking doctors earlier
this week, many of whom had some really powerful stories

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about what they see day to day, and union executive
director Sarah Dalton says that while people out there on
the picket lines are committed to staying in New Zealand,
they want enough colleagues to make their work sustainable and
safe now. Health Minister Simeon Brown has not been too
happy about the strike action, and he's particularly drawn attention
to the fact that over four thousand surgeries, planned treatments

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and specialist appointments have been delayed as a result of
the strike.

Speaker 10 (25:55):
And Simeon Brown claims.

Speaker 8 (25:57):
A credible offer was put to the union and he's
urged the union to go back to the negotiating table,
saying Health New Zealand had applied the Employment Relations Authority
for Urgent Facilitation to resolve the dispute, and a meeting
between representatives of the union, Health and z and the
er was due to take place on Friday. We haven't

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yet heard too much more about what went on, but
as I said, they haven't ruled out further strike action
and this will be something particularly on the government's mind
considering that it has set a target to reduce wait
lists in planned care and obviously thousands of delayed surgeries
is not what it wants to see in terms of

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meeting that target.

Speaker 3 (26:42):
Soaphey, Trigger, thanks so much for your time this morning.
Appreciate it. The average funeral these days costs about fourteen
thousand dollars, which is a lot. But there's a volunteer
organization that's called Death Without Debt. It's holding DIY funeral
workshops around the country to help people bring the costs down.
We're going to talk to them next and don't forget that.
British author David Nichols is with me. After ten. It's

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twenty one to ten.

Speaker 1 (27:05):
So's some research and full show podcast on iHeartRadio powered
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Speaker 11 (27:12):
So.

Speaker 3 (27:12):
It turns out dying is a pretty expensive business. The
average cost of a funeral in New Zealand is now
fourteen thousand dollars, which seems crazy right well, and an
effort to reign in the cost of volunteer organization it's
called Death Without Debt is holding DIY funeral workshops around
the country. Their spokesperson, Fergus Wheeler, is with me now.
Thanks for your time, Fergus, good morning.

Speaker 12 (27:33):
Good morning, Francisca.

Speaker 3 (27:35):
Hey, why are funerals so expensive?

Speaker 12 (27:38):
Well, we let commercialization, Robert of our DIY mojo. We've
kind of lost the traditional knowledge that we used to have.
I think ay, so yes, Sorry.

Speaker 3 (27:51):
No, I was going to say, have they always been
expensive for this?

Speaker 2 (27:53):
Is it?

Speaker 3 (27:54):
Increased over years.

Speaker 12 (27:56):
Well, it's definitely going up as of late. And it's
hard to imagine, you know, sixty years ago when the
woman down the street who knew how to lay out
bodies did it probably for free. The undertakers sort of
knocked together a wooden box and you know there, they
didn't have a whole rest home with all its overheads

(28:17):
to cover, you know, the way we used to do
there when they're with churches or mara it was a
community affair and it wasn't a flash and pain respects
was something that you did not with money, but by
being there and helping out.

Speaker 3 (28:37):
Are you suggesting that funeral directors and those in the
industry are getting in the way and making it harder
than it needs to be.

Speaker 12 (28:46):
Well, that guided Well, there's a lot of people in
the industry with a genuine sense of vocation, but they've
got to pay their bills and they've got to meet
public demand, and the forces of commercializations just have their
own life. So actually, the biggest problem in his event
at the moment is the paperwork system. So as cremation

(29:09):
has got more common, the paperwork around cremation has actually
ended up being the main block and the people holding
that the people who are who should be solving that
problem are the public servants and the council owned crematoriums,
and so that's really where the problem lies.

Speaker 3 (29:29):
So it should be easier for a loved one to
be able to fill out that paperwork rather than relying
on other people to do that. Is that we're we're
we're looking for.

Speaker 12 (29:40):
Yeah, well, actually, what we're saying is that when someone dies,
you know, the doctor comes and says, you know, the
diet of a heart attack, or the diet of old age,
or you know, whatever the cause, and then at that stage,
rather than saying to the family, look, I don't know
what happens now, just go and ask the funeral director,
we're saying that doctors, who are sort of unconsciously slipped

(30:02):
into this problem over decades, doctors will provide what we
call duty of care and just spend a couple of
extra minutes telling the family, look, I'm going to do
the paperwork for you. I'm not going to get the
funeral director to do it. It's my responsibility because it's
medical paperwork after all, and then telling the family, look,
it's perfectly legal to be the funeral directors yourselves. You know,

(30:25):
you can be the funeral director if you want. You
can hire a funeral director if you wish. You can
be the funeral director yourself, your family, or you can
sort of do somewhere in between. So it's really about
it's really about duty of care giving people, choice, informed consent,
that those sort of basic medical values that apply elsewhere

(30:46):
in the medical system but have been forgotten after death.

Speaker 3 (30:51):
Focus is a DIY funeral easy to do.

Speaker 12 (30:55):
Well On the practical level, Yeah, it's pretty simple. You know,
you can use your own station wagon for example, even
a hatchbag as the hers is perfectly legal. You just
have to do it with respect and common sense, you know,
as pretty much everyone knows now. You can build your
own coffin or the coffin for someone else. You can

(31:17):
do the body care. So one of the big myths
we try and bust is that embalming is necessary. I mean,
it might be necessary if you want to hold the
body for ten days or something, but you know, most
of the time a body is okay at home for
three days with ice to call it down. So you know,
there's exceptions, and we don't want to sort of let

(31:37):
we don't want a sort of painter. We don't want
a wall paper that sometimes you know, a body can
be quite a deco decomposition process. You know, that can
happen very fast. But you know, the know how it
was always there sixty years ago. You know, there's we
can get back to that place and not have to

(31:58):
rely on these really expensive processes and not and actually
do it independently if we wish.

Speaker 3 (32:05):
How much can funeral cost if you do it yourself?

Speaker 12 (32:09):
Well I did my mother's for eleven hundred and thirty
six dollars, so you know, and that was that was
with full dignity, full respect. That was you know, with
a with a service catering, you know, bring a plate
type catering. But it was it was a it was
a great occasion. Yeah, we we transported your body ourselves.

(32:33):
I built the coffin, We ran our own service. You know,
we had a local you know, had friends who did
the music for us. You know, it was it was
great in.

Speaker 3 (32:43):
A community affair, right, which is lovely everyone contributing.

Speaker 12 (32:49):
Yeah, everyone. And that's the thing that we sort of
we remind people of is that you know, at the moment,
you know, with the funeral directors doing all the work.
He sort of got the whole nation of DIY people
sort of trapesing around behind the funeral directors had nothing
to do. You know, people want to help. They want
to bring a plate, they want to help with a coffin.
You know, they want to lend the station wagon to
transport the body. You know, it's it's what. It's sort

(33:12):
of would encourage people to be gracious and just accept
that help, bringing the friends, bring in the family, and
it's great for building long, long term community bonds, you know.

Speaker 3 (33:23):
Fcus, I believe that the workshops have been really popular.
Where can people find out more about them?

Speaker 12 (33:29):
Oh, we've got a website just www dot Death without Debt,
dot org, dot in z. We've also got Facebook, I
think too, but I don't actually handle that part of it.
So if you know how to use Facebook, do it.

Speaker 3 (33:42):
Yeah, thanks so much for your time, Fergus really appreciate it.
That was Fergus Wheeler from Death Without Debt. It is
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Speaker 3 (34:43):
Thank you very much for your textas morning. Quite a
few coming through about the death without debt and funerals
and a few questions who spoke to Fergus and the ads.
He said, look, go to the website and if you
can't find what you need to know that you can
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tom my partner, not to waste money on a funeral
from a self transport on the back. I'm a Mazda
b T fifty ut. I think that'd be perfect, Meganness,
as long as I can get the back up Other
Texas Morning as well. I was talking earlier about I
think it's a good idea that the government puts some
financial literacy into schools. Teaching it up to year ten

(35:24):
shouldn't take a huge amount of time. I'm not suggesting
that we create a whole new subject for it or anything,
but I was talking about. You know how I wasted
my hard earned pocket money as a child on a
rubber collection that you were never allowed to use. Somebody
else text tos O. I spent my entire childhood savings
on a pet rat called Zena that needed life saving
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(35:46):
these lessons that you learned through the things we were
so moneyful. Another text yet, thanks Francesca. I agree about
the importance of financial knowledge, but as a teacher, I
ask you what should we not teach to fit this
in water, road safety, consent, health, danger of smoking, alcohol,
reading and writing, maths, and numerous geography, history, careers, languages, etc.
I taught my child knowledge which continues into her late

(36:08):
teens early twenties. Isn't financial literacy another example of something
that parents should be teaching, And yes, I do agree
they should be. Unfortunately, not all parents do and not
all adult knowledge about managing money is equal. I'm still
learning about how to manage my money better. I agree
with you, though I don't think teachers have a huge
amount of time to turn this into a specific subject,

(36:28):
but I'd like to see it slipped into certain areas
that currently exist, whether you are talking about your social
sciences and maths and things like that. But thank you.
It's a very good point. We've got a new podcast now,
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organized organisms in it, and we learned about how to

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This year's Auckland Writers Festival has an amazing lineup including
British author and screenwriter David Nichols. Twenty twenty four was
a huge year for David. He had added his novel
One Day into a Netflix drama You. I'm sure if
you've got Netflix you probably watched it. It's such a
fantastic book and it was a great series. Actually, his

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book You Are Here, which is his latest book, it
picked up numerous writing prizes and it went on to
become one of his best selling hardbacks. So he is
with me next to talk about the pressure of sexist
and the joy of walking and writing comedy We're going
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Speaker 3 (39:11):
US Good to have you with us. It is seven
past ten. David Nichols is a critically acclaimed author and
Bafter winning screenwriter. You may best know him through his
best selling book One Day. It was a huge success.

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It sold millions of copies and he also turned it
into a major Netflix show. David's latest release is a
book absolutely delightful. It's called You Are Here, and off
the back of that release, he's heading here for the
Auckland Writers Festival. He joins me now from his home
in London. David Nichols, good morning.

Speaker 2 (39:50):
Hello, Hi, lovely to talk to you.

Speaker 3 (39:52):
Hey, congratulations on your latest book, You Are Here. It's
been a huge success, shortlisted for the Bollinger Everyman Woodhouse
Prize for Comic Fiction, and it's a fabulous read.

Speaker 2 (40:03):
Oh, thank you very much. This was a real lahbor
of love this book. I had a great time writing it,
which isn't always the case, but I did love doing
this one.

Speaker 3 (40:12):
You were going to write a big London novel and
then the pandemic and lockdowns came along, and like so
many of us, kind of altered plans a little bit.
How did that period inspire this book?

Speaker 2 (40:24):
Well, you know, it was a terrible time to write.
I wanted to write about the present day, and there
was so much uncertainty about what the future held. And
also I found that, like so many people, I was
stuck indoors, not seeing my friends, kind of forgetting how
to relate to other people and how to talk to people.

(40:45):
And when it finally lifted, I found it very difficult
to get back out into the world. Created so many
routines and habits to make lockdown bearable, and I saw
this with my friends as well, that we'd all become
a little bit nervous a bit wary around each other,
and my friends who were living alone. I think they
had a particularly difficult time and I had to write
about that, really about me, but how rewarding ultimately it

(41:08):
can be. And well, so miss I missed the countryside,
I missed going for my long walks in the country,
so I wanted to write about that as well, and
the two ideas came together and became you are here.

Speaker 3 (41:20):
It's interesting you mentioned that you wanted to write in
the present, because you often use time in the passing
of time to tell your stories. But this is very
much a book about living in the moment, appreciating the present.

Speaker 2 (41:32):
Yes, absolutely, I wanted it to be a little kind
of chamber piece, to follow two people's conversation over just
a matter of days. The journey they go on is epic.
It's a two hundred mile bike all the way across
the north of England. But it's very much a kind
of close up novel. It's very much about the details,
the tiny details of their interaction and their relationships. I've

(41:55):
written a lot of books, as you say, set in
the past, and a lot of books with quite a
large timescale, but this is like a little delicate, little
chamber piece. Even though it takes place against all these
mountains and lakes and rivers. It's a character study.

Speaker 3 (42:09):
Really it doesn't reflect also sort of your approach to
life these days as well, you know, taking time to
enjoy the now.

Speaker 2 (42:17):
I suppose so. I think it's very much a book
about friendship and the formation of a friendship, and a
friendship that may turn into a relationship, a love affair.
But certainly it's hard is about opening up conversation, the
two characters, getting to learn more about each other, and
thinking about the future, and really relishing each other's company.

(42:42):
And I guess that's something I feel more and more
as I get older. Yes, that my early books are
kind of quite noisy comedies about about dating and relationships,
and this one is a little bit maybe a bit gentler,
a bit wiser, a little bit more mature than some
of the other things I've written.

Speaker 3 (43:00):
David, what comes to you first? Is it the characters,
the location, sort of the premise around the narrative.

Speaker 2 (43:06):
I think it's often the premise for me, you know,
I wanted to write, yeah, a love story that takes
place on a long walk. That was the premise, and
then you start to ask yourself questions to you, who
are these people, how are they different to each other?
What kind of conflict might there be in their relationship?
What's their relationship to this landscape? Do they want to
be there? I then, of course had to do the walk,

(43:29):
this famous walk, the Coast to Coast, which is a
two hundred mile walk from the west coast of England
to the east, and along the way there was a
certain amount of improvisation, responding to the landscape, responding to
the rain and the cold and the terrible hotels, and
wondering who might be in that place. And it's a
bit like an actor preparing for a role, you know.

(43:49):
I think a lot about the characters' background, the tone
of voice, their physicality, and I make a lot of
notes before I start writing the novels. So the novel
there's a kind of improvisation in character. It's a very
slow process. But with this book, I so enjoyed the
experience of the landscape and actually making the same journey
as the characters that it was a real joy.

Speaker 3 (44:12):
I am very impressed that you did the walk. I
was going to ask you that because I noticed at
the end of the book you sort of said a
note on the journey, and you mentioned how you were
assisted by a few guides, and I thought, hmm, I
wonder if David actually did this walk himself.

Speaker 16 (44:27):
I am very embrassed.

Speaker 3 (44:29):
But you do warn people because people will. I mean,
I'm a wanderer. I love a walk. So I read
this and I love the relationship and the story. But
I also loved the journey that you took me on,
and I would love to hit out the door and
go and do this walk. But if you know, I
love the way you warned people that you did make
up certain you know, b and bs and places that

(44:49):
they stayed and in things just in case people go
off to sort of reenact this journey.

Speaker 2 (44:54):
Yes, it's very much a novel rather than a travel guide.
The landscape is absolutely real, and I did the whole
walk and stood everywhere the characters stood. But never to please.
Sometimes you want your characters to have a fantastic time,
and sometimes you want them to be miserable, So everywhere
they stay is fictional. But the mountains and the rivers

(45:15):
are all real and very much first hand experience. It's
an amazing walk. I think there are more beautiful walks
in England. But there's a kind of symbolism to this
idea of walking all the way across the country, and
there's a kind of mythology to it as well. You
meant to pick up a pebble on the beach in
Cumbria and carry it all the way to Yorkshire and

(45:36):
throw it in the sea. And it's a walk that
very much has three acts, the lakes and the dales
and the moors, and all of that really informed at
the novel.

Speaker 3 (45:46):
And I love the way, you know, the quirks of
trampers or hikers, those you know, how they have those
seemingly gentle and yet quietly competitive conversations about how far
are you walking and where have you come from? You know,
I loved all that details that you're hearing.

Speaker 2 (46:01):
Yeah, whether you take the high route or the low root,
the easy way of the hard way, and and yes,
endless conversations about the weather and the distance you've traveled. Yep.

Speaker 3 (46:12):
There are many funny lines and observations. Money uses her
work to get through a lot of situations in her life.
Does that wit come flying out of you and onto
the page once you have your character, or do you
have to work hard at nailing the humor.

Speaker 2 (46:27):
Oh I wish it did come flying out. No, it's
very laborious. But you know what you have. You have
this great luxury as a writer of time. You know,
you can spend three years making a character as funny
as they can possibly be, and that process is quite detailed,
you know. I spend a lot of time polishing the dialogue,
working out whether it needs a dash or a full stop,

(46:49):
working out the precise language the characters use. And at
the same time, dialogue is the thing that I'm happy
is writing. It is again akin to being an actor
and improvising. Once I know who the characters are, I
can write pages and pages and pages of dialogue, which
then gets polished and cut down and shaped into the

(47:09):
dialog you read in the book. It's it's the part
of the process I love the most, and yet it's
also it's it often comedy is about absolutely the right
word or the rhythm of a sentence, and all that
takes many, many months to do.

Speaker 3 (47:26):
So do you find it easy to be funny through
writing than an everyday conversation.

Speaker 2 (47:30):
Oh yeah, definitely. I'm completely deathly in conversation. I can't
tell a joke I'm not particularly witty, you know, I
kind of I can't. I don't like at dinner parties.
But if you give me something to write with and
give me time, I can usually think of something. It
just takes a long long time.

Speaker 3 (47:51):
David, you write characters that people resonate with, they recognize,
and they fall in love with, and therefore can become
quite protective over them and their stories. Do you mind
that people's opinion on your characters or maybe the outcome
of a book.

Speaker 2 (48:04):
No, I'm fascinated by. I don't always know how it's
going to go.

Speaker 10 (48:09):
You know.

Speaker 2 (48:09):
Often I write characters who I think are wonderful, that
I really love, and then they don't quite land and
other characters that that I'm more wary of, you know,
just as you would be with meeting people in real life.
There are characters I adore, and I mean, Marnie in
this novel was a real joy to write because she's
so sharp witted and smart and sardonic, and I loved

(48:34):
loved writing her. But you never quite know our people.
It's a bit like introducing friends. You never quite know
how it's going to go. I've definitely written characters who
were you know, a real pleasure, and I felt very
fondly towards and and people were less forgiving of their
actions than I thought they'd be.

Speaker 3 (48:53):
You started your career in television. Has screenwriting impacted your
approach to writing fiction and vice versa? Has writing novels
impacted your screenwriting in any way?

Speaker 2 (49:03):
Well, definitely, the screenwriting sped into the fiction. You know, people,
the screenwriting process is very tough. You throw a lot
of things away. There's a lot of collaboration because everything
costs so much to make. Everything has to fulfill a purpose.
You know, people are constantly saying, can we cut the scene?
What is this scene doing for us? Have we seen
the scene already? Does it have to be outside? Does

(49:24):
it have to rain? All of those questions very make
the process often quite frustrating. With fiction, you have terrific freedom,
but at the same time, I'm always asking myself what
is this for? Is this boring? Is does this have
a hook? Is this going to get the reader into
the next chapter? That feeling you have at the end
of a really good TV show, What's going to happen next?

(49:46):
I do want that to find its way onto the
page as well. So I like to think I'm quite
economical and quite careful about story. I simply spend a
lot of time planning, you know, I don't improvise a novel.
I spend often a year or more just making notes
and working out what it's going to be. And only
when I know the whole shape, as a screenwriter, would

(50:08):
only then do I start writing the pros.

Speaker 3 (50:10):
Many of your novels have been adapted for the screen.
So when you are writing a book like you are here,
are you dreamcasting as you go? Are you imagining this
on screen as well?

Speaker 2 (50:22):
Not in a practical way in that you know, I
want a book to be a book, And there are
all kinds of things you can do in a novel
that you can't do on the screen, like internal monologue
and metaphor and childhood memories, that kind of thing. All
none of that really works on screen. Screen is really
about just what characters say and do. So you do
have all these extra tools as a novelist, and I

(50:44):
do try and make the most of that. At the
same time, you know, I grew up watching film and television,
and I grew up loving books, and to me, they're
the same thing, and elementally, you know, they're about engagement
and emotion and often comedy, and so there is a
certain overlap. And sometimes it helps me to think of

(51:05):
the physicality to you an actor, not someone I'd necessarily cast,
but a tone of voice. You know, is this a
Jack Lemon character or a Katherine Heatbund character. I love actors,
and I've definitely drawn from what actors can do when
I try and create a character for the page.

Speaker 3 (51:22):
Diive to six books, all hugely successful. When you release
a new book, Now, do you feel any pressure at
all for it to be a hit?

Speaker 2 (51:30):
Oh? Huge pressure.

Speaker 10 (51:31):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (51:31):
I love all six, but some have done much better
than others, and there's no way of knowing. You know,
they're all equally hard work. I put the same amount
of commitment and love into each of them, but you
never quite know what's going to take and how people
are going to respond. So that's the great unknown. But
certainly I do my very best to make it as

(51:53):
good as it can possibly be. I wouldn't want to
publish anything that I wasn't entirely convinced by. At the
same time, there's absolutely no way of knowing whether it's
going to absolutely fly or just kind of you know,
do okay, and there's nothing you can do about that,
really except hold your nerve. I'm very lucky to be published,

(52:14):
but it is an extremely nerve wrecking process and there's
no way of knowing quite how things are going to go.

Speaker 3 (52:20):
David, We're so excited you're coming to the Auckland Writers Festival.
That are you looking forward to coming to New Zealand.
We've got some lovely walks here.

Speaker 2 (52:26):
I'm absolutely thrilled. I'm really delighted to be coming. I
hope I can carve out a little bit of time.
I'm going to be absolutely not sideways by the jet nag,
but I'm promising myself not to complain about that and
to see as much as I can.

Speaker 3 (52:42):
Will and there David Nichols, thank you so much, good time,
pleasure to talk to you.

Speaker 2 (52:46):
Thank you. It's lovely to talk to you. Thank you
very much.

Speaker 3 (52:49):
David Nicholls's latest book is called You Are Here. I
loved it, highly recommend it. David is heading over for
the Auckland Writers Festival thirteenth to the eighteenth of May.
For more information head to writers Festival dot co dot
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first season. It was built off this really nice gimma.
Actually plays a character called Charlie Klee who can sents
when people are lying, just can't sense what they're lying
about or what the implication for the narrative is, just
whether that's BS or not and basically how it boils

(54:59):
down in the show.

Speaker 3 (55:00):
Am I right that Ryan Johnson was behind Knives Out?

Speaker 17 (55:03):
Yes, absolutely so, right back his very first film, Brick.
He's noir and mystery and those kind of old timey
classics a really big influence on his filmmaking. Yes, seen
ready clearly and Knives Out and poker Face sort of
draws from the Colombo style of mystery. Well it steals

(55:23):
Columbo's font for the opening credits one thing, but also
in that structurally it's less of a who done it?
Than how catch him? We see Every episode will open
with the new star the guest stars of the week,
and we start to sort of see events that will
lead to some death of one kind or another, and
then then it's star will kind of parachute in mid

(55:46):
episode and play catch up on how they're going to
trip up this killer that we already know is unmasked
to the viewer. Is the thrill of the show, but
also thrill of the show is just a sort of
tone of like balances comedy drama really nicely and has
an insane list of guest stars. The scene and two

(56:06):
guest stars Season two kicks off this Friday on TV
and Z Plus for the first three episodes of the season,
and the guest does this season include Awkwardfena bj Novak,
method Man, Cynthia Arrivo, Gabbie Hoffman, Gean Carlo Esposito, John Ritter,
John Cho, John Mulaney, Justin Thrower, Katie Holmes, Kevin Corrigan,

(56:28):
Lily Taylor, Melanie Lynskey, Patti Harrison, Ria Perlman, Sam Richardson, etc.
Not to be outdone, though, Ron Johnson does have another
Knives Out film on the way this year which will
be coming to Netflix. It's called Wake Up dead Man.
I don't know if there's a commoner thing. I don't
know if it's wake Up dead Man, or if it's
wake Up dead Man, or if it's just wake Up

(56:48):
dead Man. But the ensemble for that includes Josh O'Connor,
Glenn Close, Josh Brolan, Mila Cunis, Jeremy Renner, Kerry Washington,
Andrew Scott, and Thomas Hayden Church, among others, and of
course Daniel Craig is Benoir Blanc.

Speaker 3 (57:04):
Okay, so Ryan Johnson clearly has some pool on high.
Would big time, Yeah, big time. I love these shows
where you just don't know who's going to sort of
appear each episode. That's that's part of the fun of them,
isn't it?

Speaker 17 (57:15):
Massively and the tone will kind of because it's got
this mystery of the week time sort of quality to it,
the tone of the show can sort of differ a
little bit from episode to episode, so that chemistry and
the casting plays such an awesome role. For instance, without
getting to spoiler around, it is great to see Katie
Holmes's opposite gian Carlo Esposito as a couple with some

(57:39):
friction in their marriage. Two actors were kind of contrasting filmographies.
Was great to see opposite.

Speaker 2 (57:46):
Oh yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3 (57:47):
It reminds me of the first episode of the latest
series of Righteous Gemstones when I started watching it, and
I'm like, is that Bradley Cooper? Wasn't that just what's
going on here?

Speaker 17 (57:58):
How do they keep that secret?

Speaker 3 (57:59):
How did they keep that secret? And as it really am,
yes it is. I love that. So sorry, that's this
Friday TVNZ plus that's right.

Speaker 17 (58:06):
And so we get our first three episodes in one chunk,
and having received them about a week ago, I also
watched those three episodes in one chunk. It's a nice
way to revisit this, this awesome show.

Speaker 3 (58:20):
And from the story that just keeps on giving Fire Festival,
we have an update.

Speaker 17 (58:25):
It's an update, but franchiscript's also an opportunity.

Speaker 3 (58:29):
Oh no, what's he doing now? What's the offering us.

Speaker 17 (58:32):
Now by Fire Festival? And and and if you do,
do you want to consider that maybe what we've been
reporting on, reporting on like it's news. For the last
couple of months has been that maybe it's all just
been a big exercise in selling Fire Festival because we've
had it's as, we've had it's coming back. Yeah, we've

(58:54):
had it's coming back, but it's in this place. Then
we've had it's coming back, but it's not in that
place because that wasn't ever actually going to happen. But
I promise it's in this other place. And now it's
a new chapter begins.

Speaker 3 (59:09):
A dollar. I think I pay a dollar for the brand.

Speaker 17 (59:14):
It's as as someone once said to a business associate
of mine, take out a calculator, mate, put that number in,
but then put a few more zeros in after it,
which I always thought, you don't need a calculator to do.
You can do that in your head. But anyway, you
can buy Fire Festival too if you want to. What
did What does Billy McFarland say for himself. This is

(59:35):
the promoter who's done jail time for the first Fire Festival,
He said, over the past two years, we've poured everything
into bring Fire back. With honesty, transparency, relentless effort and creativity.
We've taken the wrong, the wrong load. We've taken the
long road through a building, trust, we rebuilt momentum, we
proved one thing without a doubt. Fire is one of

(59:56):
the most powerful attention engines in the world. Listeners, I
apologize because I've contributed to this. I've fed I've fed
this monster by talking about five festival. So I think
after today we might just say, unless a very newsworthy,
new owner comes out of the out of the woodwork,
let's stop talking about five.

Speaker 3 (01:00:14):
I think yeah, it might be done in dustin Steve, Thank.

Speaker 15 (01:00:16):
You, son you.

Speaker 17 (01:00:18):
I thought you were going to demand more coverage, but.

Speaker 3 (01:00:23):
As I always say, as I say, it is the
gift that keeps on giving. So we'll wait and see
what the next installment is. Thank you so much. Steve
will catch up next week. It is twenty eight to eleven.

Speaker 1 (01:00:37):
It's the Sunday session with Francesca Rudkin on News Talks
at b.

Speaker 3 (01:00:43):
It is time for our science study now and joining
me is Lorrie Winklers. Lorie is a physicist and science writer.

Speaker 7 (01:00:49):
Good morning, Lorry, Good morning Franceasca. How are you good?

Speaker 3 (01:00:53):
Thank you. You've got a really interesting story for us
today on how the combined effect of sea level rise
and land subsidence is having a major impact on New
Zealand cities.

Speaker 5 (01:01:05):
Yes.

Speaker 7 (01:01:06):
So this is a study from a group of researchers
mostly based here in Altairoa, and it builds on a
project called the New Zealand Sea Rise Project. So as
you suggest that, it looks at the combined effect of
sea level rise which is driven by the melting of
ice sheets and glaciers and thermal expansion of the oceans,
and also land subsidence around the coasts. So they used

(01:01:29):
a technique called InSAR, and this is a radar based
technique that can look at how the land deflects over
time and how it moves vertically. And yes, they found
that seventy seven percent of New Zealand's urban coastlines are subsiding,
and they're doing so at rates of about half a
millimeter per year or more. And that doesn't sound like much,

(01:01:51):
but if that were to continue over several years or
decades or centuries, then that starts to become a little
bit worrying.

Speaker 3 (01:01:57):
So why is that. Is it because we've reclaimed land?
Is it because we've built on the land.

Speaker 7 (01:02:04):
Yes, exactly. That definitely something that Jesse Kurse, who's the
main author of this paper, noticed was that the engineering
approach that's taken to land reclamation seems to have an
effect on its current stability. So in some areas where
you've had reclaimed land, like Wellington Airport was an example,
he mentioned to me that's very, very stable even now,

(01:02:27):
and he believes that that has something to do with
the way the land is reclaimed. In other parts of
the country like Naval Point in christ Church, the land
reclamation there was done let's say a little bit more simply,
and we've seen a lot more subsidence as a result.
That the rate is six point five millimeters per year
in Naval Point.

Speaker 3 (01:02:46):
Have I learned anything new about the sea level rise
in why this is taking place.

Speaker 7 (01:02:52):
We haven't learned anything new in terms of we know
the main impacts. We know the main result reasons are
because the ocean is getting warmer and expanding to fillmore space,
and we are seeing melting of the ice sheets and glacier.
But this subsidence is a new result in the sense
that it's the first time we've actually looked at just

(01:03:13):
New Zealand's coastal cities. So this is the first time
that We've really looked at this in very very high detail.
So it is something that at least the authors suggest
should be considered when we're looking at future development plans
or any vulnerable urban areas looking at building high rise
apartments or you know, important infrastructure. Maybe we need to rethink.

Speaker 3 (01:03:37):
That, Laurie, Where can people find this study?

Speaker 7 (01:03:40):
So I would suggest going to see Rise dot Nz.
That is the project website. There's actually a map on
there where you can look at data from twenty twenty
four I believe of all the coastal areas of New Zealand.
But otherwise you would look at my article I guess
in Forbes, where I've linked at paper the paper this

(01:04:02):
is based on.

Speaker 3 (01:04:03):
Thank you so much, Laurie appre take your time this morning.

Speaker 7 (01:04:06):
My pleasure, Francesca, thank you.

Speaker 3 (01:04:09):
It is a twenty two to eleven and a recipe
stash is underway over the Tasman this week. Popular food
blogger recipe Tin Eats founder Nagi Maheshi has accused influencer
Brooke Bellamy of plagiarizing her recipes. In My Goodness me
it has whipped up a little bit of a storm.

(01:04:30):
Mike vander Elsen is with us next with his thoughts
on originality and ownership in the kitchen. You're with News
Talks AB.

Speaker 1 (01:04:37):
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Speaker 3 (01:04:42):
FB and joining us now from the Muda Wire Art
Fair is Mike Vander Allison, our resident chef. Good morning,
Good morning.

Speaker 18 (01:04:51):
I had to run out of the kitchen literally about
two seconds ago.

Speaker 3 (01:04:55):
Thank you very much for joining us. Always appreciate it.
Are you whipping up something original in the kitchen or
you else's recipe?

Speaker 18 (01:05:03):
No, no, no, or my own? What are we doing today?
We're doing beef tag homeground beef, Yes, beef tacos. I'm
pretty sure I created that recipe myself. And I've got
pumpkin and quint soup that's definitely unique. I've never made
that in my life.

Speaker 3 (01:05:18):
I want to talk to you about what has been
taking place over the Tasman. We've got these two very
popular chefs. One's a food blogger and one's an influencer
and recipe. Tin Eats founder Nagi Mayhashi has accused another
person of plagiarizing her recipes, which is I can understand
upsetting and quite a serious issue, but is there such
thing as an original recipe. Now, Mike, I think.

Speaker 18 (01:05:41):
It's it is very difficult. Like I've written sex coockbooks.
In each of those coockbooks, there might be some of them.
Are eighty to ninety recipes in each of those cookbooks?
Are they originally? They are original to me? I've written
them all in my own words, and I've created the recipes.
Have I been influenced by other recipes? Yes to a degree, absolutely,

(01:06:05):
you know, like I've probably over my lifetime, with thirty
seven years as a chef, I've probably written I have
five thousand recipes. Are they all original? They all mine?
They've all been written by me. The methods are in
my words, but I've taken influences from others. Absolutely.

Speaker 2 (01:06:21):
So.

Speaker 3 (01:06:22):
In this particular case, there was an issue around a
caramel slice. What are the chances two people could come
up with the recipe for sorry caramel. Yeah, come up
with a recipe for caramel slice that was to the
gram exactly the same.

Speaker 18 (01:06:37):
I've looked at both recipes and I think, is it Nagi?
I think she actually, I think she actually has a point, because, yes,
the ingredients for a recipe can be very similar. It
is very difficult to copyright a recipe because all you
need to do is just swap one recipe out. Say
you swap out brown sugar for raw sugar. You know,

(01:06:58):
it's a different recipe. It's still using sugar. But when
it comes to the method and looking at both recipes,
it's like Brookie has taken the method and fed it
into Ai. AI has spat it out in just a
slightly different wording. But the method is exactly the same
in regards to turn other and on cream the butter,

(01:07:19):
when bubbles appear to add in the condensed milk. You know,
it is so identical. I think she has totally copied
that recipe.

Speaker 3 (01:07:28):
In my mind, is it on the publisher to make
sure this doesn't happen?

Speaker 18 (01:07:33):
Yes, I know has been Has Brookie put this into
a cookbook or has it just gone onto social?

Speaker 3 (01:07:39):
Yeah, it's in a cookbook.

Speaker 18 (01:07:41):
It is in a cookbook. I would I would be
questioning the publisher if it was just on social. A
lot of people were, you know, are splitting out hundreds
of thousands of recipes every day on social, you know,
to get and to keep up with that demand, they're
going to have to look at other recipes, you know,
there's no way you can create a recipe from scratch
when you're having to fulfill the demands of social So

(01:08:06):
I think that the copywriter, like I have dyslexia. It
so my writing is sometimes back to front upside down,
and so it's on my publisher, and I need my
publisher to look at the wording and the method and
make sure that the grammar is correct. But to take
a recipe and copy that, almost to the point, I

(01:08:26):
think that is not a good thing. And I think
I think Naga has a point.

Speaker 17 (01:08:30):
I really do.

Speaker 3 (01:08:31):
And it's not the first time it's happened, is it mine.
I mean, this has happened in the past with other chefs.

Speaker 18 (01:08:36):
Yeah, well Gordon apparently I was looking back. Gordon copied
a recipe for a pig's head cabanara dish, you know,
and that's a very unique dish. And the longer the
recipe is, say you take a Heston recipe Heston blob
and phile his recipes are they may have forty or
fifty ingredients in them. The techniques are massive, so it's

(01:08:57):
harder to copy a recipe like that, or it's more
obvious if you do copy a recipe like that where
if you take something like a caramel slice, it's quite simple,
thing has been done untold times. But to copy the
method and not write in her own words, that's what's
got wrong.

Speaker 3 (01:09:14):
I love the way you just call these chefs by
the first name you talk about Gordon Ramsey. Yeah, my
friend Gordon and my other friends.

Speaker 10 (01:09:21):
You know, I.

Speaker 18 (01:09:23):
Cooked with both of them, and I was lucky enough
to cook with both men I and I didn't get
shouted at by either of them.

Speaker 3 (01:09:31):
If someone uses one of your recipes MICA's inspiration, would
you expect some kind of acknowledgment. Is there just sort
of a personal courtesy to do that in the profession.

Speaker 18 (01:09:40):
Yes, If another chef was to take a dish that
you created and to put it into their own cookbook
or to put it onto a menu of their own restaurant,
then there's you know, there's a there's an unwritten rule
where you don't you simply don't do that because people
will start to look at you in a different light
as as a chef other by your other pairs. But

(01:10:02):
if a chef was to or anyone was to take
a recipe and go, wow, it's a really good recipe.
But I'm going to tweak it. I'm going to put
my twist on it. And that's that's great, that's super,
that's you know, it's an honor to have some chefs
looking at your recipes in that way. But you certainly
change it and you twist it, and you you swap
out at least three or four ingredients within that recipe.

Speaker 3 (01:10:24):
I understand, especially in this day and age at the moment,
the importance of taking ownership of your work and it
not being ripped off and things like that. But do
you think either of these chefs come out looking good
when you've got a bit of a spat like this.

Speaker 18 (01:10:39):
Well, I think it's I think it's Brookie that has
has clearly copied, so I think she's the one that's
going to come out looking bad. And I think Nagi,
who who wrote the recipe originally, is going to come
out well. I think neither of them will. But I
think Nagi will come out on the better side because
at least she's not the one that's copied the recipe.

(01:11:01):
And I think Brookie will be very will be getting
very closely looked at by who buy her books, but
also probably buy a publisher.

Speaker 11 (01:11:09):
I mean but I mean how.

Speaker 3 (01:11:10):
Many I mean caramel slices, caramel slice, I mean how
many twists can you have on it? Surely so many
of the recipes of the similar you know.

Speaker 2 (01:11:17):
They are in the ingredients.

Speaker 18 (01:11:18):
But it's the method that needs to be written in
that person's own words. Everyone has a different twist on
a method, a different way of saying something, a different
way of adding a bit of love to it and
a bit of personality to it. And that's where it's
that's where it's falling apart for her, because it's clear
that she's just copied the method as well as the ingredients.

Speaker 3 (01:11:37):
Interesting, Mike, thank you so much for talking us through
that and enjoying the rest of your morning at the
murroau I Art Fair. We've got some new information out
this week about vaping erin is all over it. Next
it is a twelve to eleven news talks.

Speaker 2 (01:11:50):
Be keep It's simple.

Speaker 1 (01:11:52):
It's Sunday, the Sunday session with Ranchesca, Rudkin and Wiggles
for the best selection of graver Reads news talks'd.

Speaker 3 (01:11:59):
Be time to talk wellness and I'm joined by Aaron O'Hara.
Good morning, Good morning, ah. We talked about vaping probably
a couple of years ago now, but it's really interesting
a lot more information coming out about the impacts of vaping.

Speaker 11 (01:12:14):
Yeah, a couple of years ago, we talked about it,
and I talked about how limited the research was a
little particularly particularly around long term research of the damage.
And I think that you know, people were switching bigger
from sort of smoking and into vaping, and it was
really recommended that that was the pathway to quitting smoking.
And it's interesting the new research that's coming out and

(01:12:35):
actually that the risk. The new studies are showing that
people who vape and if they smoke as well, it's
even more damaging for their lungs. And even people that
vapin have never had a history of smoking at our
higher risk of getting and developing COPD, which, if you
don't know what that is, that is chronic obstructive palmonary disease,

(01:12:57):
which causes a restriction in the airways, which causes discomfort
with breathing, as well as symptoms like a cough, some
flem on the chairs, difficulty breathing, wheeziness, and tiredness because
you're not getting enough oxygen into the body. So it's
actually a massive problem that causes a lot of long
term problems if people have got into vaping and then

(01:13:18):
have ended up with COPD, which is really concerning, particularly
in New Zealand at their current rates, New Zealand's vaping rates,
that's sitting at nine point seven percent of adults are
daily vapors, where if you compare that to Australia it's
actually only three point five percent, which is huge.

Speaker 3 (01:13:37):
It speaks to the restrictions that the Australians have put
on to try and protect their citizens as opposed to
also ween it's put as many vape stores up as
we possibly can, which is really concerning.

Speaker 11 (01:13:47):
Like New Zealand's strategy with the vaping and getting the
smoking being smoked free. But actually now we've got a
huge vaping problem on our hands and they are bringing
more regulation. There's actually more regulation coming in on the
seventeenth of June this year around banning the sale of
disposable vape devices, which is a great thing, but we've

(01:14:07):
still got a big problem on our hands that she's
going to actually cost our healthcare system huge amounts of money.
If there's a whole lot of people that are getting COPD.
Do we know a little bit more about the chemicals
that you inhale in vaping. Yeah, the chemicals like when
you're smoking, you've obviously got the tobacco and there's nicotine,
and when you look at the vapin you've got all
the chemicals in that, particularly the diacetyl, which actually scars

(01:14:31):
the tiny sax in your airways and actually narrows the airways,
and that's what caused what's commonly known as your popcorn lungs,
which actually even teenagers are getting popcorn lungs. It's really
really sad, and it's mainly from that flavoring in it,
but you also got the heavy metals lead, tin, nickel
in them, tiny particles that sort of work the way

(01:14:51):
into your lungs and cause the damage and the inflammation.
So chronic COPD is really inflammation in the airways and
it's irreversible, Like, yes, you can stop vaping, but the
damage is already done. And that's the real concern.

Speaker 3 (01:15:05):
All Right, if we want to get off the vapes
in the cigise, what's the best way to do it.

Speaker 11 (01:15:09):
Well, the first thing is not swapping your cigies to
vaping and then being a dual user of maybe still
having the odd ciggi and having the vape on top
of that, because then you've got the double whammy damage.
So I think first not switching across it. She Usually
when I'm working with people in the clinic who are
stopping smoking, I'm like, let's not swap the vaping. Instead,
let's reduce the smoking and still keep with just the cigarettes,

(01:15:32):
and that can be a stepping stone. Also look at
nicotine replacement therapy, which can come in patches, lozenges, or
chewing gum, and that at least you're not getting the
damage to the lungs, but you're still getting the nicotine.
Because the hardest thing about stopping smoking or stopping vaping
is the nicotine.

Speaker 3 (01:15:50):
Is so so addictive.

Speaker 11 (01:15:52):
And you're not gonna It's not that easy to go
cold turkey with stopping smoking or vaping. So even having
that sort of softening effect of weaning off the nicotine
by using those options insteads you're at least giving your
lungs a bit of a break by not smoking and
vaping and putting all those chemicals into the lungs, but
instead just allowing the body to adjust to the changes

(01:16:13):
in the neicotine. Also, get the support around you, friends, family,
tell them, hey, I'm stopping vaping or I'm stopping smoking,
so they can actually support you on your journey and
also maybe getting some extra support with a councilor or
there's help plying as well that can sort of help
you with that transition coming off the vaping and smoking
and then avoiding being around people that smoke because and

(01:16:36):
vape because they're just going to encourage you, and that's
the last thing you need when you want to quit.
Erin O'Hara, thank you so much. It is a five
to eleven.

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Speaker 3 (01:18:40):
Right, we're going to start with the panelis our because
we're having a few problems finding Lady six, but hopefully
she will be with us shortly. Very keen to talk
to her about her up and cooming new album. But
in the meantime, resident economists at Opie's partners, Ed McKnight
is with me.

Speaker 16 (01:18:53):
Good morning Ed, Good morning Francesca, and.

Speaker 3 (01:18:56):
Host of the front Page podcast, Chelsea Daniels is with me.
She's also our newsroom resident Ozzie Hi, Chelsea, Happy albow Day?
Is that what we're calling it? Are we?

Speaker 20 (01:19:08):
I just ca him up with it, but it's going
to ring to it doesn't it.

Speaker 3 (01:19:11):
It certainly does. And let's start by talking about the
Australian election. We had murrayolds on at the beginning of
the show, and my goodness he gave us a very
colorful rundown of how things had unfolded over there Chelsea.
But we've seen a couple of victories now for the
center left in the last week. Do you think it's
a sign of a shift in will politics.

Speaker 20 (01:19:32):
Well, let's try and make it even more colorful, Francesca,
shall we? I mean, I think this writing was on
the wall for Dutton. Right, we've got We heard about
the Trump bump in Europe last year and that's when
all of those center right and far right parties and
Europe gained popularity off the back of Trump. Now that's
waned over the last few months, especially with the tariffs

(01:19:53):
and the doge cats and his dealings with Ukraine and Russia.
And I think everybody, I don't think the liberal and
national parties in Australia realized how into US politics and
how worldly Australians have become. I suppose because he's been
trying for weeks to shake off these comparisons to Trump.

(01:20:17):
He was called the Timu Trump at one stage he
labeled the country's state broadcaster hate Media. He's had a
major anti China rhetoric of late, also anti migrants, which
comes as no surprise, and his own red doge thing
in the beginning of the campaign, job carts ending working
from home, overhauling the woke school agendas now head a

(01:20:39):
backflip on a few of those. But like I said,
I think he's underestimated how the Trump slump essentially. I
wonder if this Australian election would have been held perhaps
in November, things would have been completely different.

Speaker 3 (01:20:55):
Interesting, isn't it ed. I wondered too whether he just
failed to read the room and that Australians are essentially
voting on domestic issues and they want it to be
dealt with in a sort of a noddy way. They
don't need a Trump's sort of style of politics.

Speaker 16 (01:21:08):
I think there's a bit of truth in that. The
big thing about Trump when he comes out aggressively against
other leaders, is that that gives the opportunity for the incumbent,
in this case Albanezi, to stand up and look really strong.
And we saw this in Canada as well, where Mark
Carneys has had the opportunity to come out really strongly

(01:21:29):
and stand up for Canadian values, and they came from
way behind to suddenly slamming the election. And it's been
really interesting that the leaders in both Canada of the
conservative movements in both Canada and Australia lost their seats,
with Peter Dundon and Australian Peer Bolivia in Canada. And
just thinking about the Trump bump versus the Trump slump,

(01:21:51):
I think it's easy to come up with a story
before Trump gets in there. Oh, this would all be
great if Trump came and he'll be able to solve this.
But what we've seen over the first one hundred days
is it's caused absolute chaos in the sheer market and
really upsetting the war or as it stands, Chelsea, your thoughts.

Speaker 3 (01:22:08):
Steven Joyce made a really good point this morning that
any political party has to be very careful about working
within kind of a silo of people who will believe
that what you do was the right thing and everyone's
behind you, and you know, you know, like you can
get a bit called out on social media if the
algorithm is sending you to everybody that goes yes, you're amazing.
I love your ideas. You're brilliant, and you tend to think,

(01:22:28):
oh yeah, I am on the right track here, and
you're not listening to a broad audience.

Speaker 20 (01:22:33):
Yeah, well, you've got to think whether Dutton's social media
team were kind of siloing his social media accounts and stuff.
I mean, mister potato head came up quite a bit
on my algorithm at least. But I think he just
like you said before, I think he just failed to
read the room. He's always been an unlikable guy, even

(01:22:54):
as Minister of Home Affairs, even as Defense Minister. You'll
remember back in the day Amber Heard and Johnny Japp
had to make that awful apology video to the Australian
government because Peter Dudden and to kill their dogs because
they didn't have the right paperwork in Australia. I mean,
he's been faced with these kinds of trials and tribulations

(01:23:15):
of likability over the entirety of his career and he
just wasn't strong enough and he's just not likable enough.
And then you've got Elbow on the other hand, even
referring to him, he's got a nickname. And that's when
you know Australians actually really like you, because they give
you a moniker. He was incredibly likable. He came out with,

(01:23:36):
you know, policy decisions that really spoke to voters, you know,
speaking on cost of living, women's health, which is usually
not spoken about in any kind of election ever. So
I'd really like to see the numbers as to how
many young people and women, how young people and women
voted in particular, and whether that really contributed to that

(01:23:57):
major swem, because it was the coalition has been absolutely
devastations this morn name I mean, I'd love to be
in some of those rooms with them this morning, being like,
where do we go wrong?

Speaker 3 (01:24:10):
It's funny, actually it's funny. Yet I was reading this
last night that the Sydney Morning Herod was sort of
riding at six o'clock their time last night all the
Liberals are already organizing meetings to discuss who's going to
take over from Dutton and all. That's a bit harsh,
isn't it. That's a bit brutal. And by the morning
you were like, oh no, that's just practical and organized.
They needed that.

Speaker 18 (01:24:30):
They won this.

Speaker 20 (01:24:31):
Selection in like fifty minutes. I was expected there were
all week there was like was it going to be hunger.
As government, we're going to have to wait, you know,
three weeks to know our PM no fifty minutes, hundred
an hour. You can't even get a Domino's pizza on
a Saturday night, when when when a ball game's on
in one hundred and fifty minutes.

Speaker 3 (01:24:54):
It's very interesting, isn't it. Hey, I want to talk
to you both about means testing Key we Save and no. Look,
Nichola Willis has refused to rule this out on zb
this week, and of course we're heading into its budget
month twenty second of May, we'll be budget.

Speaker 2 (01:25:07):
Ed.

Speaker 3 (01:25:08):
Would any change to Key we Save A contributions be
a good move? Do you think? Or is it one
of those things that New Zealanders do not want the
government to play with.

Speaker 16 (01:25:18):
Well, when you think about it really as middle class welfare,
isn't it. We spent about one point one billion dollars
a year on this policy, and I was out for
breakfast this morning talking to a couple of friends about
it and said, well, would you invest in key we
Save A lesson? Would you put less money into keey
we Save if the government changed the policy and for
a lot of people on good incomes, the answer is

(01:25:40):
probably know. So do we really need to give an
extra five hundred bucks a year to somebody earning one
hundred and fifty k or two hundred thousand dollars? Probably
not so I think there is a really strong argument
to draw the line somewhere and say, at X level
of income, we don't really need this. And I've been thinking,

(01:26:01):
you know, in my mind when you suggest this topic,
where should that be? I kind of think it should
be at the thirty three percent tax rate. So once
the thirty three percent tax rate cuts in, which is
at about seventy eight thousand dollars worth of income, I
think that's a fair place to draw the line and say, look,
we need to save some money because we don't have
a lot of money to spend at the moment, so
let's free up some and reallocate it.

Speaker 3 (01:26:24):
It does tend to make sense, Chelsea. If you're earning
a very good income, say you're learning over a couple
of hundred thousand you'r you know, the corporate or the
company you work for is also contributing a good amount.
Do you really need that five hundred and seventy one
dollars from the government to motivate you I feel like
it's probably aimed at people who are earning less or

(01:26:44):
a freelancer like myself, a part time freelancer. I don't
get any money from MZ ME. That's my decision. So
I quite like that that that's that's a motive motivates
me to stick with key we save it if I
get that that little Yeah, but you also are from thanks.

Speaker 21 (01:27:02):
Yeah.

Speaker 20 (01:27:02):
You also have to make sure that people are you know,
we're talking about middle clas. You know, depending on who
you are and how you grew up and how much
money you have, everyone has a different perception of what
a good income is. So if we're still talking seventy
eight k in Auckland, for example, I wouldn't say that

(01:27:22):
that is particularly good. It would be average. Whereas if
you're talking seventy eight K somewhere in the middle of nowhere,
then yet you can afford a lot more, I'd be saying,
I'd be lifting that a bit higher, being like, what
over one hundred K or over a one point fifty
Those people definitely don't need that what five hundred and
twenty one dollars a year towards their KI we say,

(01:27:43):
but I like the idea. Actually of making the minimum
contributions a bit higher, going to that four percent instead
of that default three percent, because there's been some commentary around, hell,
we're actually going to live when we retire, and I'm
talking people that are still working now. And if the
rate was increased to a four percent member contribution, apparently

(01:28:07):
that and your employer matches that. So you're in the
opportunity where your employer match is that that would allow
funds to last twenty to thirty percent longer, allowing a
medium income earlier to maintain their relative standard of living
for another twenty to thirty years. That's just a one
percent bump.

Speaker 3 (01:28:25):
Yeah, ed, I mean I'd like to see them tax
Can we say the lease? But no one's saving any
money doing that, are they.

Speaker 21 (01:28:31):
Well?

Speaker 16 (01:28:31):
The trouble when you draw that threshold at one hundred
and fifty k or one hundred thousand dollars is that
you don't end up saving that much money. Here's another
suggestion that might encourage people to save while still giving
them a tax benefit. So if you put away three
percent of your income and your employer contributes three percent
as well, the three percent that your employer is contributing

(01:28:54):
is taxed Now a lot of people might not realize that.
They might think, Okay, if I own one hundred K
and I put in three thousand dollars and my employer
puts in three thousand dollars, then call I get six
thousand dollars in TT But no, no, no, no no.
That extra three thousand dollars that your employer is paying
you that gets taxed, and so you might lop off
another thousand dollars. Maybe a better use of money would

(01:29:16):
be to say, well, we're going to do away with
the government contribution, but if your employer is contributing, we're
going to let that be tax free, because that would
be a real incentive for people to put money away
and to argue and negotiate for those extra employer contributions.

Speaker 3 (01:29:32):
Chelsea Daniels and Ed McKnight, thank you very much for
your time this morning. Appreciate it. It is eighteen past eleven.
Coming up next, we have got Lady Sex for you.

Speaker 2 (01:29:42):
Relax, it's still the weekend.

Speaker 1 (01:29:44):
It's the Sunday session with Francesca Rudgin and Woggles for
the best selection of Greg reads us talks.

Speaker 2 (01:29:51):
That'd be.

Speaker 3 (01:29:55):
That out last thousand.

Speaker 2 (01:30:02):
Again.

Speaker 18 (01:30:02):
How would that do.

Speaker 3 (01:30:05):
This is Brad new music by Lady six released on Thursday.
This song is light Bulb. It's off her upcoming album LeVar,
which is the first album for Caroline Tumarty aka Lady
six and seven years. The album is a deeply personal
one for Caroline, ridden through hard times as a tribute
to her late mother and Caroline Tummoty or Lady six
is with me now? Good morning, good morning, How are

(01:30:29):
you good? Thank you so lovely to have you with us.
This album has been a long time coming, hasn't it?
Is it seven years since we had an EP from him?

Speaker 10 (01:30:39):
It's seven years and I feel like when nobody cares,
nobody counts the COVID years, So five years can we true?

Speaker 3 (01:30:46):
That is so true? Look, we've had two singles so far.
The full album is less than a month away. How
are you feeling about its release?

Speaker 10 (01:30:55):
I am breaking out in height, so that sees everything.

Speaker 9 (01:31:00):
Really.

Speaker 10 (01:31:01):
It's just one of those things where I really feel
like it's been so long to get back on the
back in the I don't know whatever the mode I guess,
but I'm very excited. And as it's coming together, it
sort of starts to reignite the engine and I'm starting
to get more and more excited as time progresses towards

(01:31:22):
during the first which is when the album drops.

Speaker 3 (01:31:25):
This is said to be your most personal project to date.
It's dedicated to your mother, who passed away in twenty twenty.
Tell me a little bit about your mum.

Speaker 18 (01:31:35):
Oh, mum.

Speaker 10 (01:31:36):
She was like a force of nature, the matriarch of
our family. She was a take no crap, kind of
say it like it is kind of woman. And she
ended up sort of influencing me in that way. I
ended up I had those traits also and myself, and

(01:32:00):
she was a real mentor to me and the way
that she lived her life and the things that she
did with her life. So passing was huge major Carolina.

Speaker 3 (01:32:09):
Know she passed away during COVID, and I often think
just how incredibly hard it must be in those times,
sealing with someone passing away with all those restrictions and
things in place.

Speaker 10 (01:32:20):
Was that your experience, Oh absolutely, along with the hundreds
of other Kiwis that lost people during COVID. It was
kind of like a I imagine a nightmare situation. You
sort of don't know. She actually passed on the very
first day of Lockdown one when lockdown one was called.
So also we didn't know what the protocol was, so

(01:32:41):
it was kind of this quick quick education on exactly
how this goes and who's supposed to come over, and
where's mum's supposed to go if she's supposed to go anywhere?
Or was we had family racing back to their homes
because we had a lot of family come up. She
was sort of impalliative care for a couple of weeks

(01:33:03):
before she passed, so we had family from all over
the country here and they all were like quickly escaping
back to their houses as lockdown got called. So it
just felt like an emergency, sort of dire end of
the world situation at the time. Sure, and we didn't,
you know. Yeah, And so we didn't end up having
her memorial or like a sort of funeral service, I

(01:33:24):
guess until that following year.

Speaker 3 (01:33:28):
Oh my goodness. Look, I know that you were working
you were working on this album before your mum passed away.
How differently is the album to the one that you're
working on prior to twenty twenty? Did it change much?

Speaker 20 (01:33:43):
Yeah?

Speaker 10 (01:33:44):
It completely changed, actually, but it ended up being able
to sort of influence a more clixic record, and I
think in the end what you ended up getting as
something far more diverse than probably where we were originally heading.
We had a very a very specific theme for this
next record, which we wanted it to be sort of

(01:34:05):
moretive of the live show and the past we haven't
had that so much was sort of kipped into the
mellow end of sort of soul and R and B.
And we wanted it to sort of show our more
dancier live show aspects because we kind of like would
change our entire music and edit them so that they
would be more like engaging live. So we wanted to

(01:34:27):
just have a record that actually showcased that, and then
we mum passed. The influence of I guess just emotionally
how it was feeling at the time played a real
significant role, and so at the end it ends up
having all these all this diversity of sound and ecliptically
and genre wise, we've been in a whole bunch of areas.

(01:34:48):
So I ended up using collaborating with this incredible New
Zealand poet Grace Grace. I was she to Taylor from
Auckland here and just to sort of I think make
the connecting factors between each song so that the story
is I felt like it was one one story and

(01:35:10):
not and not just a mess of bits and bobs
from all over the show. So in the end, it's
a very like symbiotic sound.

Speaker 3 (01:35:17):
I think, what was the process of making the album
like for you? Was it emotionally a hard one?

Speaker 10 (01:35:27):
Was it emotionally a hard one? I think they all are.
I think this definitely was. I use records really as
a healing process. The songwriting process is really a healing
process for me, and so being able to kind of
reflect and then like use all my reflections as a
source of thematically as a source resource to pull from

(01:35:49):
when I was writing the songs and that way it
was hard, but it was also so healing and beneficial.
And I think I'm that long in the tooth now
that I can really see that sort of at the
beginning of the process, I can sort of see like
that it's going to end up that I'm going I
can see a light at the end of the tunnel,
and I'm going to at the end of this process

(01:36:10):
be very much in the sunlight. And I think by
the time tour comes around in June, it will be
celebratory that time.

Speaker 3 (01:36:18):
Yeah, what a beautiful way to put it. I can
just feel that celebration coming through. But my goodness, it
has been quite a rough ride for you recently, because
am I right that you had throat sogering about twenty eighteen?

Speaker 2 (01:36:32):
I did.

Speaker 10 (01:36:32):
I had two. I had two throat surgeries to take
away these. I didn't quite have nodules. I don't know
how familiar your listeners are or you are, like with nodules,
but I just had these polyps and they're from apparently,
so my E and T doctor tells me they're from.
When the folds, your vocal folds are constantly bashing up

(01:36:53):
against one another, it can cause kind of like an
injury of these little things, little bumps growing that block
your vocal folds from closing completely, so you might hear
certain voiceover artists or actors or singers that have a
real raspy tone a lot of ears coming through your
vocal folds. And that's essentially what was happening with me,

(01:37:15):
and it made me lose my voice very very easily,
to the point where I had to cancel one of
my tours because I had no voice. In fact, so
I just had to have two surgeries just to remove
these little pullups, and my vocal folds could close completely.
So that was what was going on then, and it
was very scary because if you can imagine, you rely
on your voice so much. Apparently this type of surgery

(01:37:38):
and this kind of injury also happens with teachers. I
imagine it happens with anyone that's constantly using their voice.
So it was very scary, just kind of like having
this realization, like it's my career over. Am I not
going to be able to do this thing that I've
done for two decades. How awful? But we came through

(01:38:00):
and we've got it back.

Speaker 3 (01:38:01):
And the voice is sounding amazing.

Speaker 10 (01:38:03):
And the voice is sounding amazing.

Speaker 3 (01:38:07):
Hey, I'm also really interested in your other career. You're
in your third year of a counseling degree at aut
What prompted that move.

Speaker 10 (01:38:18):
Well, I mean it's not far removed from sort of
I guess the work that my family's always done. My
parents are very prolific in the social work, youth work,
community work world, and I was brought up in that
world in christ Church, and so I've always had a
tendency to want to do this work. But I guess

(01:38:39):
straight out of high school. I got into music off
and off I win. So when COVID happened and Mom passed,
I think this was also the influence of Mum's passing
and my dad's still in the work. He's still he
founded his own NGEO that was with men and violence.
I think I saw the opportunity when all the gigs

(01:39:01):
sort of dried up. There was this like error, like
maybe a year of nothing musically and creatively happening. I
just kind of thought, you know what, I'm going to try,
and I'll go part time and see if I can
even do this, because I haven't been out of high
school for so long that I don't even know if
higher education is something I'm capable of. And then I
just love the work. And so I've been at placement

(01:39:22):
at Auckland Women Center now for two years and I
finished my degree in December.

Speaker 3 (01:39:27):
I think it's fantastic and really inspirational for other people.
You know, as you say, you might have been out
of high school for a little period of time, but
there's no reason why you can't go back and study,
and you know, especially when you've got so much to give.

Speaker 10 (01:39:42):
Absolutely, and also I feel like maybe it's trending with
like millennials, maybe like the older millennials, because I feel
like a lot of my girlfriends are also sort of
changing careers or going back into sort of educating themselves
or upgrading in some way something in their lives. So

(01:40:03):
maybe it's I'm just I'm just super typical my generation
right now. But yeah, you can and we are.

Speaker 2 (01:40:11):
No.

Speaker 3 (01:40:12):
I think it's really exciting that people aren't afraid to
do that. I think it really is. Tell me, you know,
you mentioned your parents.

Speaker 11 (01:40:18):
There and.

Speaker 3 (01:40:20):
The work that they've done, and I know that they
taught you to sing and dance as part of holiday
programs they ran. Can you see yourself kind of going
in a similar direction. Do you think there would could
potentially be a tie in between your music and your counseling.

Speaker 10 (01:40:35):
Oh, one hundred percent. It's funny that you mentioned that,
because just recently I have started using music in my
counseling sessions, just with some specific clients, and I never
thought I would. I think I thought of myself as
kind of like a Clark Kent superman. I'll have these
two different personas you know, and I'll put on my

(01:40:56):
glasses and be counselor in this room and then take
them off and put on a dress and be like
Lady six in this other era. But I do, I do.
I'm starting to realize bringing it into session and bring
it in into practice, that there is this crossover that
I could that I could grow into and figure out
a way in which this is really beneficial. Because music
is so healing. We already know that, just as human

(01:41:20):
beings and knowing the kinds of soundtracks that really mark
these occasions in our lives, you know, we already feel
that sort of resonance. I think so in the healing space,
I think it's there's definitely room to do that. And
I'm still I'm still that a tentative, investigative researching part

(01:41:43):
of the process, I think, But I definitely see I
definitely see a crossover and and I'm excited to continue
exploring that for sure.

Speaker 3 (01:41:51):
So the album is out on June first. The tour
takes off mid June. It's a reasonably big tour too.
How excited are you to get in front of a
crowd and play this album live?

Speaker 10 (01:42:02):
Oh my gosh, Well, we haven't got the music together yet,
we haven't actually started recurs so I'm just really anxious
to kind of map out exactly what will be delivered.
So I'm very excited because they want it to be
so super special, so I'm in that nervous kind of mode.
Have been like, We've got to get this exactly right.
But the album is really beautiful. Like I can't express

(01:42:25):
how proud I am of this record more than any
other that I've done, And so I think it's going
to be incredible and I just cannot wait.

Speaker 3 (01:42:36):
I cannot wait for it either. Thank you so much.
That was Caroline Tarmothy aka Lady six with us. They're
talking about her new album. It is out on June first.
LeVar is the name of it, and as we mentioned there,
the two is going to kick off in mid June
as well. In Attinny one, she has amazing lines. You
going to want to catch that. It is twenty five

(01:42:57):
to twelve year with Newstalks at.

Speaker 1 (01:42:58):
B It's the Sunday session with Francesca Rudkin on newstalk.

Speaker 3 (01:43:07):
Jason Pine is coming up at midday with Weekend Sport
and he's with me, now, good morning, good morning. Oh
my gosh, it's well go, isn't it. I was like
work up this morning, Liam Lawson's in the points. Isn't
this fantastic? And then there was a small little bit
of controversy and the next thing I know, oh no,
he's been stripped of those points.

Speaker 14 (01:43:22):
Yeah, such a shame. I don't think it takes away though,
from the fact that he is driving this car a
lot faster.

Speaker 7 (01:43:27):
You know.

Speaker 14 (01:43:28):
Yes, there's the penalty which has taken away those points
which would have been really significant as the first ones
that he'd earned in the racing balls car. But he's
clearly getting to grips with it. Francesca. Know, he's been
going faster and faster and faster. It's just right time.

Speaker 3 (01:43:43):
Yeah, yeah, I know, I just yeah yeah. And then
how to qualifying going.

Speaker 14 (01:43:46):
Well, he's qualified fifteenth, so you know he's in the
teens again. And look, I think we I think I
might have said this to you last week. We probably
have to accept that that's around about where Liam Lawson's
going to be most of the time in this car
is in the teens. There are twenty drivers, so if
you qualifying the teens, it's then up to him to
make the passing movements during a race to get I mean,

(01:44:06):
obviously he'd love to qualify a lot higher up the
grid and that will happen. But at the moment this
is probably just about where we are with Leam Lawson
at the moment.

Speaker 3 (01:44:15):
And how good were the Warriors last night hanging on
in absolutely torrential rain in Brisbane in the Magic Round
against the Cowboys.

Speaker 5 (01:44:24):
So good.

Speaker 14 (01:44:24):
Six wins and two defeats in their first eight games,
their best ever start to an NRL season, the best
ever start. So look, I don't say it, no, I
won't say it. Well, I won't say it here. I'll
probably say it on the show a few times and
I'll encourage others too. But you know, it's off the
back of that loss to the Storm, particularly that first
half against the Storm, which was so poor. The fact

(01:44:46):
that they've bounced back with three straight wins the same way
they did actually after that really disappointing start against Canberra
in Vegas shows the resilience of this side. Plus there
are a bunch of guys still to come back. Luke
Metcalf magnificent last night.

Speaker 6 (01:45:00):
Not so much.

Speaker 14 (01:45:01):
Well, a lot of stuff really is kicking, a couple
of tries and assist and a try saving tackle near
the end, he's really growing into the seven jumper. So yep, Warriors.

Speaker 3 (01:45:12):
Very does tend to leave a few points on the
field though.

Speaker 14 (01:45:15):
Yes, yes he does, he does, and there's been talk
about that and how in a t tour game it
might matter more. There are other people who can kick,
you know, Ana Pompey's kicked on occasion, he's he's out there.
Others as well have also had to go off the tee.
I just quite like the fact that he wants to
keep doing it. You know, he wants to increase those percentages. Sure,

(01:45:37):
but I love the fact that he wants to take
responsibility and be the man who takes those kicks. And
what he landed that one from you know, from halfway
in Golden Point was well last week or the week before,
and that won the Warriors that game. So yeah, I
don't I don't mind the I don't mind the intent
from Luke Metcalf Okay Awkin.

Speaker 3 (01:45:55):
Do you see lost a game of footy, which is
very unlike them. I'm wondering whether after winning the Premiere
plate and having a bit of a celebration, they just
kind of let their guard down a little bit.

Speaker 14 (01:46:04):
Yeah, I mean, they'll say they did it, and all
the messaging during the week was we don't want to
drop our game, we don't want to drop our standards.
But I mean, at the back of their minds, they
knew that nothing was really on that game last night.
Having said that, that's Western United, who they may well
meet again in the final series, who have beaten Auckland

(01:46:24):
FC twice now four nil at go Media which was
an absolute aberration, and then four to two last night.
So look, if they were to meet again in a
knockout situation, Western United would have absolutely no fear. Auckland
FC now have a weekend off the first round of
the playoffs. They don't take part them because they finished
in the top two. They wait to see who they'll
face in a home and away semi. But yeah, look,

(01:46:46):
if nothing else, Francesca, it'll make sure that there's absolutely
no complacency heading into the back end of the season.

Speaker 3 (01:46:52):
And we must finish the segment with Hurricanes thirty five
cheats seventeen. I wonder why we didn't.

Speaker 14 (01:46:58):
Start the segment with that, with that particular scoreline, but yeah,
no good on the Hurricanes last night. Was at the
game really enjoyable two halves? I mean the Chiefs were
ahead seventeen to nine at half time twenty six unanswered
points in the second half, four tries to Baylon Sullivan,
who only came on off the bench when kinning the
Halloween off early in the game with a knee injury.

Speaker 2 (01:47:18):
So yeah, has.

Speaker 14 (01:47:19):
He ever scored four tries before? I guess we'll find
out this afternoon. Balan Sullivan's on the show, as is
Kevin malloy, who's the chair of Super Rugby. How happy
is he with the way things are going in general terms?
Rich Agar out of the Warriors, will cover off Liam Lawson,
but a snooker as well and some football too, So
something for everyone this afternoon for.

Speaker 3 (01:47:36):
A look Heney, thank you so much. If you want
more on sport, make sure you join Jason Pine at midday.
It is eighteen to twelve.

Speaker 1 (01:47:45):
The Sunday Session Full show podcast on Ironheart Radio powered
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Speaker 3 (01:47:56):
Joining me Na's Talk Travel. Meghan Singleton blogger at large
dot com.

Speaker 5 (01:48:00):
How are we?

Speaker 9 (01:48:01):
I'm very well, Thank you Thiek for you're going.

Speaker 3 (01:48:03):
Well excellent, yes I am, And some real good news
if you travel through Augland domestic Airport and you need
to catch a Nuba.

Speaker 21 (01:48:13):
Finally, after only eleven years of operating in New Zealand,
Uber has been allowed to join the big boys up
the front by the fore court and drop us off
and pick us up in the actual taxi rank.

Speaker 9 (01:48:25):
It isn't that exciting.

Speaker 21 (01:48:27):
No more walking, you know, at least a couple of
hundred meters through the car rental garage to the to
this alleyway where we used to have to get our
ubers from as if we were like not to be.

Speaker 9 (01:48:38):
Seen, you know, finding out the back well.

Speaker 3 (01:48:41):
And if you were doing it for the first time,
you did wonder whether you were going in the right
direction where it wasn't you know. So, I mean, once
you've done it once, he kind of worked it out.
But this is quite a sensible move. Why has it
taken so long?

Speaker 9 (01:48:53):
Oh, I don't know why it's saying so long.

Speaker 21 (01:48:54):
Although the press release from OPLA the airport did say
that people's changing, you know, habits of getting taxis, But
we changed that eleven years ago, didn't we anyway, But
the taxis will still be there so you can still
use all your corporate cab and alert and co op
taxis and things like that, that they're still out the front.

Speaker 9 (01:49:12):
But the difference is in my husband's flown it twice
this week.

Speaker 21 (01:49:16):
When you order your Uber from within the airport, you
will be assigned a bay number and so because it's
still obviously no bigger than it was before, right, so
then what you'll do is you'll stand in that bay,
although there's not a lot of standing room, so whether
that's still to be widened. If you can picture the
domestic terminal, you've got the public drop off area and

(01:49:38):
you've got foot paths either side, lots of space for
you to stand and wait, not so much on the
taxi rank side. So I guess they'll just sort of
figure that out, maybe move some barriers around so that
there is some.

Speaker 9 (01:49:50):
More space there. But it is good news, especially if you're.

Speaker 21 (01:49:52):
Not if you don't walk well, you know, it was
a big hike to actually walk to Domestic from Uber
and so now they're up the front, so that's great news.

Speaker 3 (01:50:01):
And meanwhile, over at the International things are still under
construction there.

Speaker 9 (01:50:04):
And that'll be some years away.

Speaker 21 (01:50:06):
So right now, the road right in the front of
the fore quarter is still closed, so you get the
ubers can drop you off in the public pickup.

Speaker 9 (01:50:14):
If you're catching an uber out of International, you need.

Speaker 21 (01:50:17):
To go out hard left past the little coffee shop
in the arrivals hall and you get your uber over there.

Speaker 9 (01:50:24):
You don't walk back to where you where you were dropped,
if you know what I mean.

Speaker 21 (01:50:28):
So it's still a little bit of a maze and
a wiggle waggle over there, but that's because you know
they're going to be joining up the domestic and the
international terminals and there's quite a lot of construction and
Stilphin's happening.

Speaker 9 (01:50:39):
It's good news.

Speaker 3 (01:50:40):
Thank you very much for the update that was Megan Singleton,
blogger at large dot com. It is twelve to twelve.

Speaker 1 (01:50:47):
Books with Wiggles for the best election of Greek Reads.

Speaker 3 (01:50:52):
John McKenzie is with us now, good morning, Hello, Okay,
what have you got for us today?

Speaker 22 (01:50:56):
I've got a book historical fiction called The Pretender by
Joe Harkin, which I just loved. It's historical fiction set
in fifteenth century England at the junk between the Plantagenets
and the Tudors. And it's fun, it's body, it's historically
really interesting. It never takes itself too seriously, and it's
the story of a young boy who, through his lifetime

(01:51:19):
is known by a series of names. Firstly, when you
first meet him, he's called John Colin and he's growing
up on a farm, from which one day he's uplifted
by some noblemen who take him away and change his
name to Lambert Simnel. And some people listening will know
that name from history. My husband said, oh, haven't did
that for a long time, and he's told that in fact,
rather than being a boy on a farm, he is

(01:51:40):
actually the seventeenth Earl of Warwick, and he's going to
challenge King Henry the seventh for the crown, and in
order to prepare for that, they send him off to
Oxford where he's educated, to Burgundy where he learns the
etiquette of court, and then to Ireland, where the intrigue
and the rivalry between two factions is at its height,
and he becomes Edward, the challenger to the throne. It's

(01:52:01):
also where he meets a young girl called Joan, who
is the daughter of one of his patrons in Ireland,
and she becomes his greatest ally. The stories fabulous, The
language is terrific. It's a melding of some of the
old English that you might recognize brought into the modern day.
It's irreverent and it's it's sheer joy in the history.

Speaker 3 (01:52:20):
I love it, okay, and the history is accurate, even
though there's all the sort of fun.

Speaker 22 (01:52:26):
Well, it's a bit of I'm knowing a qualified to know,
but I suspect there's a bit of fun in there.

Speaker 3 (01:52:30):
I probably wouldn't know what I know, he go. Isabella
Linde has been a I have been a fan of
her books for decades. Me too, And I had no
idea that she had a new book coming out.

Speaker 22 (01:52:41):
Yes she does. It's called My Name is Amelia del Val.
Her last book was called Via Letter, which some people
may know. And what she's really good at is taking
women and putting them at the heart of the story
and writing about their lives. What she did with Via
Letter and again in this new one. It starts off
in San Francisco in the eighteen sixties and a young
woman who's preparing to become a nun ends up in

(01:53:03):
a relationship with a guy to whom she becomes pregnant.
And he is very wealthy, he's Chilean, he's very wealthy
and he abandons this poor woman and eventually her daughter,
and so she needs to make her way, and she
eventually marries somebody who looks after her and becomes a
wonderful stepfather to Amelia. But it's the story of Amelia,

(01:53:23):
and she is a writer. She starts off earning a
living by writing a series of what you might call
penny dreadfuls, you know, romantic novels under a man's name,
because otherwise they wouldn't get published. But she eventually becomes
a journalist and she and a colleague from the San
Francisco Gazette or I think that's what it's called, a
newspaper in San Francisco. They send her and her colleague

(01:53:45):
to the Chilean War. There's a civil war going on
there towards the end of the eighteen hundreds, which really
did happen, and she becomes a war correspondent. So it's
the story of her throughout her life, which changes is
always interesting for a woman essentially on her own in
the world. And again, as with all of Isabella Lende's books,

(01:54:06):
believable and really well done.

Speaker 3 (01:54:07):
Does it have that magical realism that features in some
of her book no, okay, no, this is straight narrative. Okay, brilliant. Well,
I'm still looking forward to it. The two books don't
mentioned today. My name is Amelia de Val by Isabel
Allende and also The Pretender by Joe Harken. We'll talk
me next week.

Speaker 1 (01:54:23):
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Speaker 2 (01:54:29):
That be.

Speaker 3 (01:54:32):
So good to have you joined us this morning on
the Sunday Session. Appreciate that and also thank you to
Kerrie for producing the show today. Don't forget that Jason
Pine is coming up at midday with Weekend Sport and
he'll be keen to get your thoughts all the sporting
activities over the weekend next week on the Sunday Session.
I'm very excited because cutting Anne Bradley is going to

(01:54:53):
join me. She is an author of a book called
A Ministry of Time, which last year was one of
my favorite books. She is heading out to the Auckland
Riders Bestival and she's going to give us a little
bit of her time to have a chat about this book,
which has just been absolutely huge. I don't know if
you've read it, I hope you enjoyed it. As much
as I did. Anyway, she is going to be with us,
which is very exciting. We are going to end on

(01:55:15):
some Lady Gaga because in under an hour she is
about to perform her biggest show ever. She is holding
a free concert on Brazil's Cocacabana Beach. This is the
second kind of show like this it's been held in
as many years, organized by Rio de Janio's City Hall,
so Madonna did the last concert. It's part of the

(01:55:35):
effort to sort of boost economic activity at the carnival
and New Year's Eve festivities and the upcoming month long
Saint John's Day celebrations in June. So it's going to
be huge, a million fans on the beach. So we
haven't been Coco Gabana an under an hour, go enjoy.
Otherwise the rest of us we'll just have to imagine it.

(01:55:58):
Enjoy the rest of your Sunday afternoon. I'll see you
next week on the Sunday Session.

Speaker 1 (01:56:54):
For more from the Sunday Session with Francesca Rudkin, listen
live to News Talks it B from nine am Sunday,
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