Full Show Podcast: 27 July 2025

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Speaker 2 (00:28):
Good morning and welcome to the Sunday Session. Good to
have you with us. I'm Francesca Rudkin, with you until midday.
Coming up on the show today, we're joined by the
fabulous Dame Harriet Walter, an award winning stage actress who's
also been a regular on our TV and film screens
for decades now. She's starred in films such as Atonement,
The Young Victoria and Rocketman, and more recently has appeared

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in TV shows Killing E, Dunton Abbey, Succession and teed Lasso.
There is not a lot she can't do or characters
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film Brian and Maggie. Dame Harriet Walter is with us
after ten. Now after eleven, Have I got a story
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a gang member, and how through rehab an education he
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of fifty six. It is an extraordinary tale. Timoty shares
it with us after eleven and as always, you're most
welcome to text throughout the morning. On ninety two, ninety.

Speaker 3 (01:32):
Two, it's a Sunday session.

Speaker 2 (01:37):
Write all you drop kicks out. There is David seymore
fondly called some voters. This week the electoral laws are changing,
and you're being given a good year's notice to make
sure you're enrolled and your details are correct before advanced
voting starts in the general election next year. No enrollments
or changes will be accepted after advanced voting starts. You

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may think that a year is adequate time to get
your head around new rules and be prepared, but I
was actually really surprised by some of the stats round voting.
In twenty twenty three, one hundred and thirty four thousand
people change their physical address or electorates during the advanced
to voting period, and almost one hundred thousand people enrolled
to vote during that period. I don't have an issue

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with not being able to enroll or make changes on
election day, but not being able to do these things
during the twelve days of advanced voting before the election
is clearly going to catch people out. It's because of
the big numbers. I mentioned that the Electoral Commission has
raised issues around the cost and administrative burden of processing

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so many special votes and late enrollments, But I don't
think this change has its priorities straight. Should we make
it harder to vote so it's cheaper and easier on
election admin. We should be making voting as accessible as
possible for all New Zealanders, the organized ones and the
not so organized ones, that they can fulfill their democratic
right to vote, so Parliament represents as many of us

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as possible. Just as Minister Paul Goldsmith, who was championing
the changes, has been warned by the Ministry of Justice
officials that these changes could result in lower enrollment rates,
lower turnout and more disallowed votes. We are being told
there will be educational campaigns around the new rules and
how to vote next year, probably from the Orange man

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we're so familiar with. But you only need to look
at the numbers. I just mentioned to know not everyone
is seeing or taking notice of what the Orange Man
has to say. Goldsmith argues that we will also get
results faster with fewer special votes which take longer to process.
And yes, it would be good to get government in
place quicker than we've seen. But often it's clear from

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election night results which parties have the ability to put
a coalition together. So instead of waiting for weeks for
a few seats to be confirmed, what's stopping those parties
engaging in the negotiation process anyway, We can't complain we
have been given fair notice. Just whatever you do, don't
move house a couple of weeks before the next.

Speaker 3 (04:05):
Election the Sunday session, So keen.

Speaker 4 (04:09):
To hear your thoughts on this.

Speaker 2 (04:10):
I'm very, very keen to make sure as many New
Zealanders as possible get the opportunity to vote, which is
putting us in place. And clearly from those statistics, couple
hundred thousand people really appreciated being able to make those
changes at the last minute, so I think it's going
to have an impact. It will be interesting to see,
but keen to hear your thoughts. Ninety two ninety two,
and we're going to get a response to these changes
from Newstalk's Thereb political reporter Azaria Howl shortly as well.

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Up next, we find out why the South Island is hammon.
It's eleven past nine.

Speaker 3 (04:40):
Relax, it's still the weekend.

Speaker 1 (04:42):
It's a Sunday session with Francesca Rudkin and whitggles for
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Speaker 3 (04:47):
US talks that'd be.

Speaker 2 (04:49):
It is thirteen past nine. So the regional economic divide
appears to be widening, with the South Island pulling ahead
of the North. Kiwi Bank has released its annual Regional
Note showing most showing the most economic activity of the
regions across the country has lifted. However, the same North
Island continues to outperform the North, with the Tigo and
Southland leading the way as the country's top performing regions.

Speaker 4 (05:13):
Keep We Bank.

Speaker 2 (05:14):
Chief economist Stared cur Is with me now.

Speaker 5 (05:16):
Good morning, Jared, good morning.

Speaker 4 (05:18):
So it's good news.

Speaker 2 (05:19):
For the South Island. What are we seeing down there?
Why is it pulling ahead?

Speaker 6 (05:23):
Look, the South Island's doing well, not only the farming,
but the tourism industry is picking up. We're getting back
to the sorts of levels we saw prior to COVID,
so that's really helping Otago for example, And there's a
bit of a building boom going on in Southland, very
strong down there.

Speaker 4 (05:44):
What about the rest of the South Island.

Speaker 6 (05:47):
So the rest of the South Island is doing okay.
You know, they're recording sort of four five out of ten,
which is not great, but it's much better than what
we were last year.

Speaker 2 (06:00):
So that momentum in Otago and Southland. Do you expect
that to continue?

Speaker 7 (06:04):
Yeah?

Speaker 8 (06:04):
I do.

Speaker 9 (06:05):
I do.

Speaker 6 (06:05):
I think farmers will continue to receive high prices for
their meat and dairy in particular, and I do think
the international tourist will continue to improve. You know, I
think tourism's got a bit more upside to it, and
then I think the rest of the economy will slowly
recover into next year.

Speaker 2 (06:27):
Jared, what's going on in Taranaki, Northland and Gisbon. They're
going backwards?

Speaker 4 (06:31):
Is that a surprise?

Speaker 3 (06:32):
Yeah, good question.

Speaker 6 (06:34):
We looked at that and it was a surprise, particularly Taranaki,
where we see, you know a lot of their economies
made up of farming, and you know, they're supposed to
be doing really well, but employment in the region was
down eight percent over the year. So it just shows
you that even though some parts of the economy are
doing well, other parts aren't, and you know, they're really struggling.

Speaker 2 (06:59):
Okay, So if we take a look at things on
a you know, on a whole most regions have lifted.

Speaker 4 (07:08):
Is the tide turning.

Speaker 6 (07:10):
The tide is definitely turning, and that's because the Reserve
Bank has been cutting into trates and that's slowly feeding
through the economy. So the tides turning. It's just the
speed at which we're recovering from last year's recession, which
was pretty deep, and it's not fast enough for me
the way we're recovering. I think we need more stimulus.

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I think we need more policy support.

Speaker 4 (07:35):
What is the national score at the moment?

Speaker 6 (07:38):
National score is about three and a half four, which
you know, well below average.

Speaker 4 (07:44):
Out of ten.

Speaker 6 (07:45):
We need to get that up. Yeah, sorry, out of ten,
we need to get that up around six seven. So
you know, that's better than the twos and threes that
we were recording last year. But you know, we're not
shooting the lights out. We're sort of crawling out of
this recovery.

Speaker 2 (07:59):
Because we were all sort of told to hold on,
you know, to twenty twenty five, survive to twenty five,
but it's now looking like it's really going to be
twenty twenty six before we see any significant improvement, would.

Speaker 4 (08:09):
That be right?

Speaker 3 (08:10):
Yeah, Unfortunately that is the case.

Speaker 6 (08:13):
So you're right, we're all saying, you know, let's just
survive till twenty five. But you know, here we are
halfway through twenty five and we're just not seeing the
recovery that we had anticipated. So it is becoming a
twenty twenty sixth story. Unfortunately we are having to grind
for that much longer. But I do see light at

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the end of the tunnel, and we are optimistic that
things will improve next year.

Speaker 2 (08:38):
How are we looking against the likes of Australia?

Speaker 6 (08:42):
You know what we're lagging behind. Australia was, you know,
a lot less heavy handed during the inflation period we
had a couple of years ago, whereas our central bank
was very heavy handed and openly orchestrated a recession to
get inflation down. The Aussies let things run. And you know,

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they're sitting there with an unemployment rate of a little
over four percent, whereas our unemployment rates over five percent,
So they have a tighter labor market. They have a
better running economy and that's why we're losing Kiwi across
the across the ditch.

Speaker 2 (09:19):
Thanks so much, Jared. I think we'll all hold on
to you a little bit of light at the end
of the tunnel.

Speaker 4 (09:24):
Thank you so much.

Speaker 2 (09:24):
That was KIWI Banker Chief Economist Jared Kerr right. Further
concerns from nursing students, as under half of mid year
graduating students are employed by Health New Zealand. The mid
Year cohort finished final exams last week and figures show
that just three hundred and twenty three at of seven

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hundred and twenty two applicants gained entry level roles in hospitals.
That's just forty five percent. New Zealand Nurses Organization National
Student Unit President Bianca Grimmer is with me now. Good morning, Grimmer,
thank you for your time.

Speaker 4 (09:57):
Good morning, Thank you, bi anchor.

Speaker 2 (10:00):
Is this number lower than you had been anticipating.

Speaker 10 (10:06):
Yeah, I mean it's definitely a shock to the system
for all of us still studying. And that's the thing.
It's definitely a lot lower than what we projected, but
I think we were kind of anxious that it was
going to be low. Just based on last year's numbers
as well.

Speaker 2 (10:20):
Okay, so you were expecting this or what kind of
number were you expecting to get roles with Health New Zealand.

Speaker 10 (10:28):
I mean, obviously with last year's numbers, we were hoping
that they will put a plan in place and it
would rise and the number would be better this time round.
But yeah, it's not overly surprising that it is low.

Speaker 2 (10:41):
Okay, what was the number last year BNKA.

Speaker 10 (10:45):
So we found that in the end eighty four point
four percent roughly found roles and that was worth house
in Zealand and employed elsewhere, which is still not one
hundred percent. And at the first basis as well, it
was a lot lower than that as well.

Speaker 2 (11:03):
Okay, so what other options are there for news is
a then not being employed by Tafatura.

Speaker 10 (11:10):
I mean it takes them having to look on seek
and having to look elsewhere. The problem we're finding though,
is that nurses have a purpose and a why or
why they want to go into the workforce and where
they want to work, and they're really stronger in the
health system in those places that they're really passionate about,
and it's forcing nurses into roles that aren't exactly aligning

(11:31):
with where they want to be. But you know, and
that affects pay and it affects also conditions and safety,
and that for our new grads as well.

Speaker 2 (11:40):
Why are the hospital roles so highly sought after by graduates?

Speaker 10 (11:46):
I think it's the level of specialization that you can
get and also the wrap around team support within the hospital.
Sometimes if you go into community roles straight as a
new grad, you lack the team support to keep you
safe within your practice as you're entering the workforce and
learning exactly what it means to have that full responsibility
on you caring for people within the community. So definitely

(12:11):
there's a poll for the hospital just to whilst you're
getting your foundation's belt and you're stepping into the workforce,
you've got that complete wrap around support and safety net
for your practice.

Speaker 4 (12:21):
Yeah, that makes sense.

Speaker 3 (12:23):
I think.

Speaker 2 (12:23):
Can we keep hearing about nursing shortages? You know, I
know of people who work in hospitals who are constantly
talking about nursing shortages.

Speaker 4 (12:29):
So why can't graduates get jobs?

Speaker 10 (12:34):
I don't know, it's a good question.

Speaker 2 (12:36):
Yeah, I mean, is it a shortage? Is it a shortage?
And more experienced nurses are there just only so many
positions for new graduates.

Speaker 10 (12:45):
So we're definitely seeing the nursing turnover rate has decreased significantly,
so people are differently. You know, there's not as much
of a turnover. People are holding onto their jobs, which
I mean makes sense in the economy that we're currently
sitting in and the job uncertainty that we're seeing. But yeah, no,
there's there's staff shortages anywhere in the houses them absolutely

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everywhere and anywhere, and so it's just you know, we
need as many nurses as possible going into roles, and
if there's no jobs available, then those nurses can't help
the house system out and can't go into those jobs.
But that ultimately takes workforce planning.

Speaker 4 (13:22):
So are we training too many nurses?

Speaker 10 (13:26):
No, we definitely need all the nurses that we're training,
that's for sure. I Mean staff shortages, how us do
we fix them unless we have those nurses ready and
available to go into those positions. It's more we need
openings within the house system for them to go into.

Speaker 2 (13:41):
Okay, un nursing students reconsidering their future, are some regretting
the study path that they've taken.

Speaker 10 (13:50):
Yeah, I think most that I've talked to. Aren't regretting
it because they have a really big passion and drive
for what they're wanting to do with the nursing, but
I think they are anxious and worried that it's not
going to turn out exactly how they want it to.
And also, you know, trying to feed your family and
trying to keep yourself being able to afford the essentials,

(14:10):
you know, it plays a big part in that. And
unfortunately that's why we're seeing the drive to Australia or
overseas to be able to make that ends meet and
to be able to you know, feed their families in
that and even throughout the cohorts from year one to
year three, we're seeing people even in year one go
we've only just started. Should we actually just stop it

(14:31):
here so that we're not going into serious amounts of
there as well?

Speaker 2 (14:35):
Are there other sort of career paths that you can
take if you've started nursing and you think, I'm not
sure this is you know, going to be the direction
for me.

Speaker 4 (14:43):
Can you kind of.

Speaker 2 (14:45):
Make changes, take a side step other career paths?

Speaker 11 (14:49):
Yeah?

Speaker 10 (14:49):
Yeah, so you can cross credit to other courses for sure,
and you can deferently switch degrees. But again, it just
goes back to the fact that a lot of nursing students,
practically all of us, come into it, you know, wanting
to do it for a sole purpose, and that purpose
is to help people, and going into another degree isn't
necessarily going to fulfill that for people. And when you know,

(15:12):
we're going through COVID times and you know, there's that
scream out for hey, we really need nurses and that
people were like, okay, this is my chance. You know,
we're getting a lot more mature students as well that
are upskilling themselves and moving into nursing, and I feel
like that all comes from a strong passion and a
strong purpose for what they want to do.

Speaker 2 (15:32):
Being Austronia in particular is offering better wages and working conditions.
Is that also aimed at new graduates. I mean, you'd
be kind of mad not to take that up if
you can't get the wrong you want here in New Zealand, right.

Speaker 10 (15:45):
Yeah, Oh definitely. I mean yeah, as someone who's about
to graduate pretty soon. I've just been to a career's
expo and I talked to the Australia stand and they
were saying, oh, you know, like, is there any positions
you want to look at and really really keen to
get us over there and helping fill those slots over
in Australia. So it's definitely there's a massive poll for

(16:05):
new grad to go over there. They're willing to support you,
wrap around team support, you know, help with trying to
get you over this in your information for moving. And yeah,
it's very attractive I think compared to what we've got
here in New Zealand at the moment.

Speaker 2 (16:22):
Bianca, really appreciate your time this morning. Thank you so much.
That was New Zealand Nurses Association National Student Unit President,
Bianca Grima.

Speaker 3 (16:29):
There.

Speaker 2 (16:30):
I don't know, I just feel like we can never
quite get on top of this nurse's situation, can we.
I mean, as I said to you, I'm told you know,
anecdotally from people that I know who are working in
environments a lot of the time, hospitals that just say
you they're constantly understaffed and nurses aren't being replaced and
it's really tough. And we were like, right, let's train
them up. Let's train them up. And now we've got
them well trained here in New Zealand and can't find

(16:52):
them work. It'll be interesting to find out what that
final figure is of employed nurses, of course, about forty
five percent employed in hospitals, but in private organizations, and
things will be easy to see whether that gets to
near that eighty four point four percent of last year.
Local politics is up next. You are most welcome to text,
of course throughout the morning. Ninety two ninety two. It

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is twenty six past nine.

Speaker 1 (17:18):
It's the Sunday session with Francesca Rudkin on news Talks
at b Thank you very much.

Speaker 4 (17:24):
For your text.

Speaker 2 (17:24):
You all completely disagree with me this morning. You all
think that if you don't get organized enough in time,
then you shouldn't be eligible to vote.

Speaker 4 (17:33):
Get real?

Speaker 2 (17:34):
Do we want people who don't take voting seriously enough
to enroll in voting? Millions around the world would love
the opportunity to vote in a democratic election. Thank you, Graham.
Regarding and rolling for elections, the changes are needed. The
huge hold ups and cues of people and rolling when
they turn up to vote because they haven't bothered to
enroll ahead of time, and then doing a special voter's ridiculous.
Special votes used used to be for people who are
away are overseas. Last election, it took many days to

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the final election results, and the government is doing what
is needed to avoid post election uncertainty. But typically the
left always complain about everything. Here's what I'd say is, yes,
I I'm absolutely capable of enrolling ahead of time, and
I agree it's not that difficult, and I get it
done and things. But that doesn't mean that just because
someone's a bit more disorganized, or maybe someone moved house
a week or two before election and forgot, amongst all

(18:18):
the other stressful things they were doing to move house,
to change their their you know, their name on the
electoral role in what area they're in, that's just a
very understandable mistake, and therefore they're vote for their candidate
wouldn't count. So there are there are sort of situations
we're kind of you know, life catches up with you,
and I think a lot of those people will miss out.

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Then there are people who don't think about it, who
might think about the election, but because they you know,
and might be engaged, who just can't be bothered doing
it until nearer the time when they've been able to
do it. It'll be look, it'll be interesting to see. But
just because someone's not as organized as you doesn't mean
that they're not entitled to vote. You know, we're all
we're actually entitled to vote. I just think that I

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just don't know why we make things harder when we
want as many people to vote as possible.

Speaker 4 (19:06):
That was all I was saying.

Speaker 2 (19:08):
Hey, Ben tech to say that he lives in christ Church,
works all over the South Island and Otago. I'd say,
down there, what costs are living? The shop's are packed,
the town's booming in most jobs have staff wanted in
the window. Thanks for the text.

Speaker 4 (19:20):
Keeping coming. It is twenty eight to ten News to accept.

Speaker 3 (19:25):
This Sunday session.

Speaker 2 (19:27):
So joining me now News talks there to be political
reporter Asarria hal Good morning, as Aria, good morning. So
Jamie Enzow has a piece in the here on Sunday Today,
an interview with Foreign Affairs Minister and Leader of New
Zealand first talking quite a lot about immigration. This is
Winston Peters talking to Jamie.

Speaker 12 (19:46):
But if you look around the world, this is an
alarming development. You see in Spain, do I say it
in Germany? Recently in Ireland many cities in England people
are concerned us where their countries are going and New
Zealanas are no different. They are more acutely aware of
the problem iss you're dealing with here than the politicians are.

Speaker 8 (20:05):
Do you think New Zealanders are more concerned now about
immigration in the.

Speaker 5 (20:10):
Past, Yes, I do so, Zariah.

Speaker 2 (20:12):
What else did the minister have to say about immigration?

Speaker 9 (20:16):
Yes?

Speaker 13 (20:16):
So the three year election cycle already feels quite fast.
New Zealand First seemingly trying to distance itself from those
other parties in the coalition, those being national and Act
by having a huge focus on that immigration question. Winston
Peters spoke to The Herald saying essentially that they're the
only nationalist political party in New Zealand and the rest

(20:40):
of what he calls globalists. Also interesting to me when
when Winston Peters was asked his thoughts on the coalition,
he said nobody's beyond a redemption, which is a pretty
strong phrase of words there from mister Peters.

Speaker 3 (20:53):
Now.

Speaker 13 (20:53):
Also MP New Zealand First MP Shane Jones says immigration
will be a big topic at the New Zealand First
convention that's in September, so we'll keep you posted as
to whether or not this is a big policy plan
form that New Zealand First tries to sort of distance
itself from those other political parties on but it seems
like quite strong words from mister Peters in terms of

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talking about the immigration and talking about migration being seen
as an issue by some people.

Speaker 4 (21:23):
Now no longer Deputy Prime Minister.

Speaker 2 (21:25):
Asaria, it does feel like we're heading into campaign mode.

Speaker 13 (21:28):
It absolutely does. Yeah, and I mean seeing as the
party conferences happening relatively soon New Zealand first one in September.
I believe the Greens are are next month, so it
is all sort of ramping up and it definitely seems
like the campaign is already underway, which feels a bit
weird to say, seeing as local elections are still haven't

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happened yet.

Speaker 2 (21:51):
What those little things, as Zaria, I've just been talking
about the changes to the electoral laws announced this week.

Speaker 4 (21:59):
What was the reaction in the House.

Speaker 13 (22:02):
Yeah, this is a massive one. So just to recap
the key changes on that. On the day enrollment scrap
so people can no longer rock up to a voting
booth without being registered and vote. Also enrollments will close
thirteen days before the election day. And also you can't
provide free food, drink or entertainment within one hundred meters

(22:22):
of a polling place that is set to carry a
ten thousand dollar fine. Also, which has been kind of
signaled before by the government, a total ban on prisoner voting.
So it's going to be one to keep an eye
on in terms of how this goes through the process
in Parliament, the Select Committee and the readings in Parliament.
In terms of what people actually say about this act,

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Party leader David Seymour is backing the changes. He essentially
said if you don't enroll soon enough, maybe you don't
really care about politics. He also used the term dropkicks
to refer to people who who maybe don't get themselves enrolled.
But the Greens not happy about it. They say the
government is reducing democracy and making it harder for people

(23:05):
to vote. Labor with a similar take as the Greens
as well. They're saying tens of thousands of people will
miss out on this, and Labour's Justice spokesperson Duncan Webb
says that the move is appalling, so I'm sure there'll
be some strong words as well once this bill in
the name of Justice Minister Paul Goldsmith actually gets read
out and debated in the Parliament. So definitely want to

(23:27):
keep an eye on and I'm sure it'll be a
feisty debate.

Speaker 4 (23:31):
Azariah.

Speaker 2 (23:32):
Let's stick with elections. The by election campaign for Tamakimikodo
is really heating up, isn't it.

Speaker 13 (23:37):
Yeah, absolutely so. Election day is the sixth of September,
which is actually quite soon to be honest. This by
election in the seat of Tamaki Miikoto comes after the
death of Tapati Maldi MP Takutai tash Camp. Now the
people who are running for this seat Tapati Maldi's Oddie Kaipita.
You might know that name. She's a former news Hub presenter. Yes,

(24:00):
and she was I believe one of the first or
maybe the first person with a tam or to present
the news, so she's quite a big name. Also, she's
going up against Labor Labour's current MP, Peenie Honnaday. He's
a List MP, but he's trying to win that seat
and if he does, Labor will get a list MP

(24:21):
to replace him. But both of them have been out
in the community this weekend in the effort to try
and win over some votes. So Labor leader Chris Hopkins
actually joined Peenie Hennada at the Ottada markets Ordini Kaipota
was campaigning in Monyoderwa as well, so they're trying to
get active in those communities, trying to show their face

(24:41):
and see if it can actually translate to some votes.
In terms of that Maldi seat in Auckland.

Speaker 2 (24:47):
Zariah Hawl, thanks for your time this morning. Appreciate it now, Dan,
don't forget that. Coming up after ten, Dame Harriet Walter
is with me. She joins me to talk about one
of her latest role. She's playing the Iron Lady Margaret
Thatcher in a new film, Brian and Maggie. It is
twenty three to ten News Talk there.

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Speaker 14 (25:41):
Good morning, Nick, morning Francesca.

Speaker 2 (25:44):
What is the reaction to all this being picked as
the winner of the Stands Store Challenge. I mean, beating
sixteen thousand creators from around the world is pretty impressive.

Speaker 14 (25:54):
I mean, yes, it's been a totally surreal past few weeks.
It hasn't totally sunk in yet. There's been lots of
big cris lots of walking down at the beach just
trying to come to terms with foot all. But it's
finally settling in feeling very very grateful. But yeah, unreal.

Speaker 2 (26:13):
I mean, Stephen Bartlett has been singing your praises on
the most popular podcast in the UK. It's got fifteen.

Speaker 4 (26:18):
Million monthly listeners.

Speaker 7 (26:19):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (26:20):
Does that feel real?

Speaker 14 (26:22):
No? No, honestly it doesn't. But I'm just rolling with it.
I you know, I saw this competition pop up as
an ad or my social media and I thought, you
know what I could win that. I just had this
gut feeling that what I'm doing in the world might
be something he might get behind, and so I just
went all in through my hat in the ring, and yeah,

(26:42):
he recognized it. It's been extremely validating.

Speaker 2 (26:45):
Tell me about Binge Free Bestie and why you created it.

Speaker 14 (26:50):
So Binge Free Bestie, It's yes, it's a business, but
for me, it's really a movement. It's like that I'm
creating very very impact driven, it's heart led, and it's
it's really deeply personal because what I'm doing is I
have created an online community for women and it's all
about helping them to heal their relationship with food and

(27:13):
their bodies without having to go on another diet, because
that is something that I've struggled all throughout my twenties.
I had binge eating disorder, did every diet under the sun.
I've been every shape and size, and I just felt
like I was broken. There was something wrong with me.
So what I've created is I've taken my lived experience

(27:33):
with recovery and then I've wrapped it up with all
of my qualifications and I've created a bench Free Bestie.
So it's giving women this roadmap, real tools that actually work,
and giving them a safe space to know, hey, you
actually aren't broken and there is a way to find
peace and freedom with food.

Speaker 4 (27:52):
How common are binge eating disorders?

Speaker 14 (27:55):
They're actually really super common. In fact, binge eating disorder
is the most common eating disorder of all of them.
So about one in five women and students experience binge
eating disorder. Most of us maybe won't put that label
on it. We might say that we're emotional eaters or overeaters.
So it is very very common.

Speaker 4 (28:17):
Are they good treatment and support options in New Zealand?

Speaker 14 (28:21):
Well, to be frank and in my own personal experience,
I don't believe so. As I said, I've really been
in the trenches of that myself, and when I was
looking for support, it was very hard to find anything
that really resonated with me that wasn't like overly clinical.
Everything that I tried was very much that old kind

(28:42):
of you know, all you need to do is eat
less and move more. But I already tried all of
that for years and I was still stuck. So all
I'm trying to do at ben Free Bestie is bring
those evidence based tools, but I'm doing it in a
really approachable way. I'm really warm, relatable, down to earth,
and yeah, just creating a safe space.

Speaker 2 (29:05):
What was it do you think about you and your
business that set you apart from the others.

Speaker 14 (29:10):
Well, I can only guess, but I think one thing
that I've heard Stephen talk about a lot is that
he wants to support entrepreneurs who are impact driven. They
have a purpose that they're leading from their heart, they're
leading from their passions. So I think when I went
into that challenge, I really honed in on that and
I wanted to make sure that he saw me, not

(29:33):
just the business, but me, so I shared a lot
of my story. I really made sure that I was
really bold and authentic and made sure that he got
on board with my vision. Really, and that's my goal
moving forward is how can I get someone like Steven
to really see the value and what I'm creating.

Speaker 2 (29:53):
So what does the funding mean for you in your business?

Speaker 14 (29:58):
Well, I mean, at the moment, what I do is
I work full time as an acc trauma therapist. That's
my bread and butter long days. It's pretty hard work.
Benjamin Vesta has been my passion project on the side.
But now that I've got this funding, it's just going
to give me some breathing room. Really, it gives me
that space to think about, well, how do I want

(30:19):
to invest my time and my energy. What can I
do to look after myself a little bit better? I'm
a little bit burns out. I'll admit it's not easy
to kind of float a few different things at once.
So it's just a bit more headspace, more opportunity, and
obviously connecting with someone like Stephen, I'm very curious what
he's going to suggest, what he's going to like. I'm

(30:41):
going in the interpected brain.

Speaker 4 (30:42):
I was going to say, how does the mentoring work?

Speaker 14 (30:45):
So I actually don't have all the info yet, which is,
you know, keeping me on the edge of my seat.
But as far as I know, I'm flying to LA
sometime in the next few months. That's the TVC. I'll
be off to LA and I'll be spending time with
him one on one, getting some mentoring sessions. Obviously I'm
going to really get him on board and see if

(31:06):
I can make this a long term relationship. But yeah,
I'm also going behind the scenes of divers CEO, which
is going to be pretty cool.

Speaker 4 (31:14):
That's awesome. So what's the goal?

Speaker 2 (31:16):
Where do you hope you can take this with the
supportion exposure this has given you.

Speaker 14 (31:21):
So I've always had big dreams anyway. I always felt
like I could create anything I wanted as long as
I'm really consistent and I'm working hard, and I think
I would have been able to achieve a lot on
my own anyway. But with this, you know, this powerhouse
guy stand beside me, the funding and all of that.
I want to take Bingeree Besty global. I want this

(31:43):
to be the go to platform for women who are
struggling with binge eating or body image. At the moment,
I've already developed a signature group coaching program, so I've
reready got all that down, but just want to expand
and make it more accessible. Thinking about maybe an app
or something something cool like that, run retreats around the
world events, who knows what its possible.

Speaker 7 (32:05):
Really good on you.

Speaker 4 (32:05):
I love the are you thinking big about it?

Speaker 3 (32:07):
Nick?

Speaker 2 (32:07):
It's been really nice to talk to you. Thank you
so much for your time this morning. Nick, Gabarea there
from Binge Free Bestie. It is thirteen to ten News
to ZEB putting.

Speaker 3 (32:19):
The tough questions to the newspeakers, the mic hosking.

Speaker 15 (32:22):
Breakfast, how about that week in butter Ray and is
it any cheaper?

Speaker 3 (32:25):
No, it is not.

Speaker 15 (32:26):
In the midst of all of it was the Finance
Minister Nikola Willis, who as well as you looked like
you had a newsy in your handbag and you're going
to gun them down. If there wasn't a good explanation,
then you came out went buggama. There isn't international markets, no.

Speaker 3 (32:37):
Not at all.

Speaker 16 (32:38):
I was very clear that commodity prices internationally are the
major driver, but that also I was interested in how
Fonterra in the supermarkets divide the costs and the margin.

Speaker 15 (32:48):
But you know that you know how they do it
because you worked for Fontira.

Speaker 16 (32:51):
I worked for Fontierra nine years ago.

Speaker 9 (32:53):
I need a work tranded part of the business.

Speaker 15 (32:56):
Back tomorrow at six am the Mic Hosking Breakfast with
the land Driver Discovery Newstalk ZB.

Speaker 3 (33:02):
There's no better way to start your Sunday.

Speaker 1 (33:05):
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Speaker 3 (33:18):
It's goods.

Speaker 2 (33:24):
Thank you very much for your text this morning. I
just received this text. Oh my god, Francesca. I am
sixty two now and since fourteen I have struggled with
binge eating for decades, but there's never been support for
this illness. I did all the diets, put weight on,
lost weight on, and on and on your self esteem,
your mental health, your relationship suffered you to binge eating.

(33:45):
It's almost destroyed me. I am so excited for Nick.
There are so many that have suffered in silence for decades.
It never leaves you, but I'm now able to manage
it better. I wish Nick.

Speaker 4 (33:56):
All the very best. Bless her.

Speaker 2 (33:59):
Thank you for taking that time send that text, Francisco.

Speaker 4 (34:02):
I agree with you.

Speaker 2 (34:03):
Many groups stand to lose with these changes to the
electoral law. Was young people who were voting for the
first time, students, or people who have to move for work,
new immigrants who are getting to grips with our system,
and just those of us who were invested but just
a little bit poor, time, poor or disorganized. It's not
lefty to care about ensuring people get the chance to vote.

Speaker 11 (34:23):
I don't know.

Speaker 4 (34:24):
It just feels to me a little bit like the census,
which has got a little bit hard and got a
little expensive, and instead of trying to really sort it out,
because it's kind of important that we have a sensus,
we just go, oh, let's just flag it and do
it another way that might not be quite so great.
That's how I kind of fell a little bit about
the election.

Speaker 2 (34:41):
There's sort of a few changes here going, Oh, look,
it's really expensive and it's free, time consuming, and it's
a bit tough on the people that run the election.
So let's just, you know, make it easier for them.
And I'm not sure that that should be the priority,
but hey, loved, loved all the feedback on it. Regarding
the nurses, nurses welcome to the real world. A text reads,
there's no guarantee of a job in any sector just

(35:03):
because you've done a degree. I'm a nursing student, but
there's no way I would go to Australia. It's full
of possies and no extra money can make up for
how they'll treat you as a kiwi. And another one here,
I was a nurse manager. We were allocated new graduates
to teach each ward. Then the business managers said we
could not have new graduates in the wards unless we
had a vacancy at the time, we warned them that

(35:23):
we would just end up losing nurses. But it was
all about budgets. And here's a text from someone who
works for elections for years. Unnecessary special votes at heaps
of time and cost. With the preventions you can decide
to pop into any area and do a special vote too,
which is usually ridiculous. There should be a valid reason

(35:46):
for not voting in zone. Yeah, and look, there's lots
of people. I think the text before sort of touched
on that. You know, my son is really excited to
be able to vote for the first time in next
year's election. He will be registered in christ each but
he actually doesn't know. We don't know when the election
will be. There's a possibility he will be back in
Auckland by that time, and so we'll have to cast

(36:07):
a special vote. And there's all sorts of very legitimate reasons.
We're a very transient country. There are people moving around
for work and all sorts of reasons. You may just
find yourself having to visit your elderly mother or an
you know, an ailing family member somewhere different and have
to put a special vote. So that absolutely is going
to always be the case. I'm sure that we'll be
able to manage that just fine. It is seven to

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Speaker 2 (36:37):
I meant to mention next Saturday is the beginning of
season five of the Little Things the podcast I do
with my friend Loye's Air. In our first episode, we're
going to be talking about fatigue, because I know this
is something that a lot of people deal with.

Speaker 4 (36:51):
You know, we're just tired. We're all just tired. Aren't
we too tired to go in and roll for an election?
I'll let that go now. Anyway, we're going to be
talking about fatigue with doctor Libby. She has got a
new book out on Iron, which is absolutely fascinating. I
have learned an awful lot about our red blood cells.
They are quite remarkable, our red blood cells. Anyway, she's

(37:12):
going to be with us talking iron, talking about fatigue.
That episode will be out next Saturday morning. That is
when season five it's going to kick off, and we've
got some fabulous guests lined up for you this season.
You can get that podcast, you know wherever you get
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Go back and listen to some of our old apps.
I'll just keep this shameless plug going, shall I. We've

(37:32):
got some great episodes on there for you. Right The
wonderful Dame Harriett Walter is with me next. She has
starred in succession Ted Lars Killing Eve. We're going to
talk about tackling difficult roles and portraying difficult women. She's
portrayed quite of you difficult women. She is a master
at it. But we're also going to talk about women
in politics and the challenge of playing the Iron Lady herself,

(37:56):
Margaret Thatcher. We're going to finish the hour with some
new music from Alex Warren. This is Eternity, thanks shortly as.

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Speaker 3 (39:16):
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Speaker 4 (39:32):
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Speaker 2 (39:35):
Gosh it feels like Dame Harriet Walter has been in
just about everything, doesn't it, particularly the big TV shows
A recent time succession, Killing Eve, Ted Lers O Silo,
to name a few. Her latest project is a challenge
like no other, playing Iron Lady former UK Prime Minister
Margaret Thatcher in Brian and Maggie. It's a dramatization of
the infamous nineteen eighty TV interview between Thatcher and journalist

(39:58):
Brian Walden.

Speaker 3 (40:00):
Thatcher all doing an interviews so long as it's in.

Speaker 19 (40:04):
He's your favorite film, A Walk in the Park.

Speaker 3 (40:08):
When it comes to the old girl, I will get
it to Aunt Margaret. How are you well? Rial? Always well,
that's fine. Here we go and are you ready to.

Speaker 2 (40:21):
Yes, Rick, Dame Harriet Walter is with me now. Good morning,
Dame Harriet.

Speaker 19 (40:29):
Good morning to you.

Speaker 4 (40:30):
You have said you were surprised to be asked to
play Margaret Thatcher. Why was that?

Speaker 19 (40:36):
Well, if your readers and listeners could see me now,
I don't look anything like her. I'm very dark and
I don't have any features in common with her. I
don't think I sound very like her, and I my
politics are completely in the opposite direction to her. So yeah,

(40:58):
that's that's about why.

Speaker 2 (41:01):
And then we see you on screen and you're absolutely
brilliant as her.

Speaker 19 (41:05):
Well that's very very kind of you to say thank you.

Speaker 2 (41:09):
What was it about the role that made you accept
the offer to play her?

Speaker 4 (41:14):
Were you to play her?

Speaker 19 (41:17):
I was, but I think I remember saying because the
team was so wonderful. I mean, you've got James Graham,
You've got Stephen Freres, you've got Steve Coogan. I mean,
what a team. So I just you know, I thought
I want to work with this team, but I wish

(41:37):
it wasn't this person that I have to play. Can
it be anything else? Please? You know, write a film
about someone else and I'll do it. But you know
that's the thing. People ask you what roles you want
to play, But with me, it's who do you want
to work with? And that was what led me through
really And then, you know, all actors like a challenge,

(41:58):
and this was a huge, huge mountain to get over.
You know. Among many reasons was the fact that she's
been played often by brilliant actresses, and you know, so
they've set the bar quite high.

Speaker 3 (42:12):
Well.

Speaker 2 (42:12):
I did read one review that said that you were
the beast setcher.

Speaker 19 (42:15):
Yet yeah, well that's very good to hear.

Speaker 4 (42:18):
Yes, So was she a hard character to portray to
get to grips with?

Speaker 19 (42:24):
Well, in that, you know, the fear was, you know
that anybody can switch on any YouTube recording of her,
and particularly of the interview that we focus on. We
focus on an interview with the journalist Brian Walden, who
had once been in the House of Commons as an opposition.
He was in the Labor Party, but he wasn't really

(42:47):
a labor man at heart, I think, and they met
in the middle of these two people, and the story
really is about our relationship and the relationship with the
press to the politicians. It's you know, the story was
sort of bigger than like a little It wasn't a
biopic anything like that. It was it was a story

(43:10):
about something in which she featured very strongly. So the
difficulty was really to sort of get her to be
believable to people because they could switch and look and
see what she was really like and everybody, you know,
a lot of people remember what she was like. So
that was a difficulty to surmount, and I had to
do a lot of watching and watching and watching and

(43:32):
listening and try and sort of get under her skin.
But mainly the job was, like it is with any
acting job, is to tell a particular story and to
be sure that you're communicating that story and not going
off message and getting hung up with some aspect of
her that doesn't enlighten that story.

Speaker 2 (43:55):
Did you know a lot about her before you played
the role in the scenes it, Had you shown much
interest in her career at the time. Did you have
quite seat opinions of her?

Speaker 19 (44:04):
There were very well known things about her, about her background,
about what she had to surmount in terms of living
in a man's world, And you know, those were the
aspects that I locked onto in order to sympathize with
her at all. Those were fairly well known stories. And
I'm of a generation who was very affected by her.

(44:24):
You know, I remember her very well. I lived through
her time. Yes, so I knew quite a lot about her.
But at the same time, I didn't really absorb a
lot of, you know, the day to day politics, because
I got so upset by her and what she was
doing to the country that I switched off whenever she

(44:44):
came on the TELI I switched off when she came
on the radio. I didn't want to hear any more
of that voice. So in the cold light of many
decades later, I was able to sit down and watch
her and study her.

Speaker 2 (44:58):
Because of course she was a leader, a female leader.
There were very few female leaders. They were rare, and
in a way what she managed to do in a
man's world was quite impressive. But maybe just not also
the beast role model.

Speaker 19 (45:11):
That's exactly right, that's what's tantalizing about her. I mean,
you've had your wonderful Cindra return and it was really
you know, what I call a female leader, I mean,
bringing whatever it is about having grown up as a
woman to bear on her politics. Thatcher didn't have that really,
I mean, she was what I call a lieutenant of

(45:34):
the patriarchy. You know, she stood for the men. She
believed in a certain structure of society that she'd got
from her father, and she believed in it. But she
was a class warrior in a funny way, in a
perverse way. She wanted to get rid of the sort
of entitled, inherited kind of privilege that the men she

(45:57):
you know, had to deal with, were born into, and
she wanted to sweep that away. And she loathed all
those guys, and I found it very telling, you know
that she sort of went into that world but kind
of her business. In her mind, what she needed to
do was sort of change the male way of doing things,

(46:21):
but she wasn't really going to change a female way
of doing things. So but I think what really she
brought about in the country that is neither male nor female,
is that she was first and foremost an economist, and
she saw the world in pure, rather simplistic economic terms,

(46:44):
that if we had more money, if we were richer,
if the country was in profit, then everybody would benefit
and it would be a better world. Because it seemed
she had very narrow criteria for success and she never
changed that idea that, you know, a booming economy is
the way to make everybody happy. But she didn't look

(47:04):
to left nor right and see that booming economy was
only benefiting a very few people. And that is what
we've inherited. We still having readible poverty in our country
and inequality and you know, things that I care passionately about,
like the arts, and you know, a general liberal humanitarianism.

(47:26):
You know, she did not that was not included in
her worldview of what mattered. And so she felt she'd
done a great and she felt she convinced herself that
she left Britain a better place than when she arrived,
and people on the other side of the political spectrum
felt the very opposite, that she destroyed. Certain things about

(47:48):
our humanity are common, you know, the way we behave
to one another, way we you know, famously, although misquoted,
it's not exactly what she said. There is no such
thing as society, which you know, that's at the heart
of what we find difficult about it.

Speaker 4 (48:07):
Really, isn't it wonderful?

Speaker 14 (48:08):
Though?

Speaker 2 (48:09):
These complex women that you get to play like I
want to ask you whether you're sort of drawn to
a certain type of character or woman that you like
to play. But then I look at your incredible list
of credits and you've really done everything.

Speaker 19 (48:27):
You haven't done a music, a musical.

Speaker 2 (48:31):
That's about you know what, that's the only thing that
was missing. But you look at it and you just go, gosh,
you really have done everything. But is there is there
what intrigues you?

Speaker 4 (48:41):
Now? You know when it comes to a character to play.

Speaker 19 (48:44):
Well, Funnily enough, as I said before, it's the people
that are the people, the team that you're going to
work with that really matters to me, and I think
that I have to say that rather than I am
drawn towards certain characters, it's directors who have written or
writers who've written a certain character are drawn towards me

(49:05):
to play them. Because an actor's usually more in a
passive position in terms of what jobs they do. I
would love to play all sorts of characters that nobody
would see me as you know, So that's you know,
I have to wait and be asked to do something
that other people think I can do, if you see
what I mean. Absolutely so, in a way that that's
a job was great because it was an example of

(49:26):
somebody thinking that just by sheer acting experience and acting chops,
I could play a part that was so far away
from me, and that was very flattering. But on the
other hand, in a way, as I've got older, I
want to play things that are more like me because
I have played an awful lot of sort of very tough,
unyielding women, you know as well as you say, I've

(49:48):
played a lot of variety, but there's been a slightly
common thread of I don't know, being rather cold or cruel,
and I just I am many things, but I'm not that,
and I would like to play something that slightly more
expresses the way I've lived my life and what I
believe in. Nobody's written that, so it's not going to happen.

Speaker 2 (50:10):
Are you finding though, that you're reaching a whole new
audience now? I mean you've been in some of the
biggest shows of the last few years, Succession, Tedles, you know,
I think you've pet and Doctor who you know. I
spoke to Helena bon on Carter just last week and
she said to me, she said, people always approach me

(50:31):
and I can tell by their age what film they're
going to mention, and then occasionally she's completely surprised by,
you know, what people might have seen me and or
might want to mention.

Speaker 4 (50:41):
Do you have that same experience? Are you finding that
I got the whole new audience, you know, the younger
audience too, who are now very aware of who you are.

Speaker 7 (50:50):
Yes.

Speaker 19 (50:50):
I can relate to that very easily, actually, and it's
very gratifying to be finally, Oh my god, you've been
there all that time. You know, you weren't sort of
sticking out on the front page of a newspaper always.
But I can actually now I think of it. I
remember you in something back in nineteen eighty. You know,
people suddenly sort of realize that they know you and

(51:13):
have known you for a long time. And yeah, that's
very gratifying. And I do also get I get very
young people sort of talking about something I did in
the eighties. You know, that's like to them it's a
you know, a classical old movie. And then you know,
people stopped me in the street for the most extraordinary
things that I'd forgotten i'd done, So that's great. I

(51:36):
mean usually it's it's Succession or killing eve Tho all
Sense and Sensibility. That's another one which is shown on
our TV quite repeatedly over the decades. So those are
the main ones. But people come out with you know,
I saw you when I was twelve at the Royal
Shakespeare Company, and that's gratifying, I have to say.

Speaker 2 (51:59):
And I do just want to touch on that very
quickly before you go. I believe you are hitting Beck,
You're being directed by raph Fines, You're hitting back to
the theater for the first time in a while.

Speaker 4 (52:08):
Is that exciting?

Speaker 19 (52:10):
Well, it's not such a long break because I was
on stage two years ago at the National Hit but
before that, I hadn't been on stage for about seven years,
and that is the way the longest that I've been
away from the stage. I've always you know, that's been
where I've repeatedly worked up until recently. So it's a

(52:30):
bit of a trade off. You do a lot more
highly visible TV shows if you're free to do them.
If you're doing a lot of theater, you're not free
to do those shows. So that's kind of the trade off.
And now I've found time to fit in this as
you like it at bath Theater Royal with Raife and

(52:51):
I'm really enjoying being back or you know, being back
with Shakespeare mainly, you know, that's the heart of my career,
i'd say, And that's just loved it to be back
in a rehearsal room with a lot of key Shakespearean's.

Speaker 2 (53:08):
And you've also got another show coming out soon playing
Gracie Darling, which you start and along with our very
own wonderful morgana O'Reilly.

Speaker 19 (53:17):
Your very own wonderful MORGANA O'Reilly. She is terrific. She's
just the star of this show, you know, and it's
a very intriguing, sort of almost ghosty spooky story, but
it's also a real family drama, which is where I
come in. And yeah, it was a two week shoot
in Australia in your summer, so what's not to light

(53:40):
when I, you know, got two weeks off from London's
Gray Drizzle.

Speaker 2 (53:45):
Oh we can't wait to see it. Thank you so
much for your time, very very much, appreciate it, and
thank you very much for your Margaret Theater.

Speaker 4 (53:52):
She's a wonderful to watch.

Speaker 19 (53:53):
Thank you so much.

Speaker 2 (53:55):
That was the wonderful Dame Harriet Walter. The series we're
talking about is Brian and Meggi. You can watch it
on rialto Channel on the sixteenth, twenty eighth and nineteenth
of August. Thank you for your text and tix to
say morning, Francesca. Dame Harriet always a draw card. First
saw her as Fanny Dashwood in Sense and Sensibility, fab
character and period drama actor. But I enjoyed her best

(54:16):
as the anti heroine. She played a few of those,
hasn't she Ane, Thank you so much for your text.
Coming up after eleven, Doctor Timothy Timoco is worth us
to tell his story. At age fifty six, he graduated
from medical school, but his life is one of addiction,
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It's an incredible story. He shares it with us here
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something for everyone. At wickles the Sunday sessions on the weekend,
so we have been hearing from Taylor Swift this weekend.
She has been raving about the little cameo her boyfriend

(55:53):
does in the new film Happy Gilmore.

Speaker 20 (55:56):
Too.

Speaker 2 (55:57):
Steve Newle, editor at Flex Dot col and Zed, has
also been watching Happy Gilmore, but I'm not entirely sure
whether he's is thrilled about it as Taylor Swift is.

Speaker 4 (56:06):
Come, good morning, good morning.

Speaker 21 (56:07):
Look, I've never had to consider if I'm existing in
the same headspace as Taylor Swift before, so thank you
forsing me that challenge.

Speaker 7 (56:16):
Try.

Speaker 21 (56:17):
I didn't realize that it was Travis Kelcey when I
was watching the film, to be honest.

Speaker 4 (56:20):
So that's a good thing.

Speaker 19 (56:21):
I think.

Speaker 21 (56:21):
Good on you, Travis Kelcey. He plays a not nice character.
I was about to call him something else, but I
probably shouldn't have the road.

Speaker 4 (56:28):
We can imagine it.

Speaker 21 (56:29):
Yeah, and that's the kind of character that does populate
the Happy Gilmore universe, right, Like I'm a huge sucker
for a slobs versus Snobs comedy, So that might be
Animal House, it could be Ghostbusters. Like it's there's a
real kind of long tradition of this, particularly in American
comedy of like the Everyday Joe, Who's Got a potty Mouth,

(56:50):
taken Down, the Taking Down, the toffee Nosed Delete, and
nine ninety six is Happy Gilmore was was one of
two films of Adam Sandler's that I don't think we
already got the full Adam Sandler affect her in the
nineties because New Zealand isn't really a Saturday night live country, Okay.

Speaker 11 (57:06):
I don't.

Speaker 21 (57:06):
I think we already got his kind of musical comedy
through that period as well. But Happy Gilmore and Billy
Madison were just absolute staples of the VHS and DVD
rental era, like those things. Just I was a multiple
rewatcher of these films from the video store. They'd frequently
make up my five to ten dollars pile. Yeah, and
what Happy Gilmore was great? It was just this anarchic

(57:27):
comedy from the fact that he is, you know, a
hockey player turned golfer with no respect for the tradition,
loves fighting like a hockey player does, loves getting wasted,
and also the humor is often very unkind in these films,
like a lot of injuries lot of people getting hit
by golf balls. If you like people getting hit by
golf balls, and happy Gilmore too is also up.

Speaker 4 (57:46):
Your ally's a lot of that.

Speaker 21 (57:48):
However, where this does fall down is there has been
some discussion this is one for the fans. I don't know.
I don't know if it really does kind of capture
the ethos of the first film that much. But it's
a giant victory lab. All the supporting cast or family
members of the supporting cast are there. Christopher McDonald was
the villain in the first Tappy Gilmore film. It was
memorably has the line eight pieces of s like you

(58:13):
for breakfast, which is probably one of the most quotable
lines in that film. He's back here and fantastic. Benny Saftie,
who directed Adam Sandler and Uncut Gems, you know, one
of his occasionally critically reputable films. He's here as a
bad guy too, who started a new professional golf league
that's like making golf all cool and like it's all
like cool for the attention of the attention poor kids

(58:35):
of today and weirdly, so weirdly, Sandal's characters that defend
the legacy and true legacy of golf, even though he's.

Speaker 4 (58:43):
And is it kind of set thirty years later?

Speaker 21 (58:45):
They ever pretended that it opens, And very quickly we
go from oh, here's everything that happened since the first film.
You'd think that life would be great, But this has happened.
But this has happened, But this has happened, And very
very quickly, Sandaler's character is working stacking the grocery, stacking
the vegetables in a grocery store, no longer a successful golfer.
I kind of struggled with this. There are enough kind

(59:06):
of chuckles along the way. It's a giant victory lap
for people that love the first thing. Kay, But even
though it was late at night on a Friday and
I was watching it after I'd come home, which should
be the perfect time for a happy Gilmore movie, it's a.

Speaker 3 (59:18):
Bit of a stroke.

Speaker 4 (59:20):
It didn't quite hit I notice as well. It's of
course screading on Netflix, and I see that they're also
screening the original gil You start with that, I.

Speaker 21 (59:27):
Think, so, Look, it's a great rewatch. I watched the
original maybe within the last year sometime. It really holds up.
It's a fun film. This one probably won't have that
same rewatchability.

Speaker 2 (59:39):
Hey tell me, Breaking Bad creative Vince Gilligan is returning
with a new sci fi.

Speaker 21 (59:44):
Series, speaking of speaking of happy things. The tagline for
the show Happiness is Contagious. The show is called Pluribus.
Terrible title get outs. We have to really get our
heads around how how we pronounce this or what it's
all about. It's shrouded in mystery. Apple TV has shared
what they call a glimpse at Pluribus this weekend, which

(01:00:07):
is maybe like a twenty second long clip, and I
won't spoil it for you, but don't expect a trailer.
This is not even a teaser trailer. This is just
a couple of shots from a thing. What makes me
more excited than this very short video, though, is well.
First of all, it's great that Gilligan's back. He hasn't
done anything since one season of a show called Battle
Creek in twenty fifteen. That's all he's done since Better

(01:00:29):
Call since the Breaking Bad universe anyway. But he reunites
with Rea Seahorn, who's the fantastic female lead of Better
Call Saul. Here and not much as known about the show.
It's going to be out in November of this year,
so it's not too far away. What we know so
far is that Seahorn plays Carol quite the most music,
the most miserable person on earth, who must save the

(01:00:51):
world from happiness. True, I'm happy, Gilmore two to saving
the World from Happiness. Gilligan says that there's no crime
and no methamphetamine in this show.

Speaker 3 (01:01:02):
Right.

Speaker 4 (01:01:02):
I love it.

Speaker 2 (01:01:03):
Thank you so much, Steve. Appreciate it.

Speaker 3 (01:01:05):
Now.

Speaker 2 (01:01:05):
If you aren't too fond of needles and hate getting
a vaccine, you know, like your flu or something, if
you go and traveling and things, you're gonna love our
science study of the week. Imagine being able to get
your vaccine from dental floss, yes, from flossing your teeth.
More on this next it's twenty eight to eleven.

Speaker 1 (01:01:26):
It's the Sunday session with Francesca Rudkin on.

Speaker 3 (01:01:29):
News Talks at b.

Speaker 2 (01:01:32):
And with our Science study of the Week. Doctor Michelder
can say, good morning, Good morning. This sounds fascinating. I
just said, this is brilliant.

Speaker 4 (01:01:39):
It is, but also when you read into it and
you think, wow, this is the day and a life
of a scientist.

Speaker 2 (01:01:44):
This is But I'm just intrigued how they went from
needles to dental flocks. To be honest with you, that's
that's the bit and intrigues me.

Speaker 4 (01:01:51):
So this is published this week in the journal Nature
of Biomedical Engineering. And basically, we all know that flossing
is good for our gums. We should all do it.
But this group of scientists went, what else you could
do with dental floss. The reason why I looked at
this is because they understood that actually, the soft tissue
between our teeth the gums is highly absorbent and it's

(01:02:13):
highly rich in immune cells, and so that makes it
a perfect place for your body to detect and respond
to threats such as a virus. And most people take
our gums for granted and don't think of it as
like the first line of defense. And they went, so, surely,
if that's our first line of defense, if we attacked
the gums with something, they might be able to protect
us against it. So here's what they did, And they

(01:02:34):
did this on mice first, which is why it's kind
of cute. They basically covered dental floss with a whole
bunch of different vaccine components, including proteins and inactive viruses.
And then, and this is the harbit, and there's a
whole chapter in this publication about how they did this.
They floss the teeth of mice. That was going to
be my nixt question. Yeah, it's exactly as how hard

(01:02:55):
as you can cool. So they fluttered the teeth of
mice for a month. Literally, we're just standardental floss that
they have dipped into these vaccine solutions. And then now,
sadly this doesn't end well for the mice, obviously because
they're in a lab. But then they exposed the mice
after a month to a deadly strain of the flu,
and half of the mice had been floss and half

(01:03:17):
of them hadn't. All the ones that hadn't been flost
died instantly. One hundred percent of the flossed mice survived,
so they were fully immune against this strain of the
flu that they had had on their floss for the
past month. And not just did they survive, but if
you looked at them, they had antibodies in their saliva
and their feces and their bow marrow which had a
really strong and lasting immune response to the flu. So

(01:03:41):
this simple gum flossing had actually created the antibodies that
they need to protect them with their lives and there
was no injection needed, which you start thinking, okay, well
does this work on humans, So you can't just do
this to human storyway, there's a whole bunch of ethics.
So what they did instead to prove the concept is
they took dental floss and twenty seven humans and they
put a special type of dye in the dental floss

(01:04:03):
and got them to floss the teeth as per usual,
and they were able to find that, yes, the components
in this die were absorbed by the humans. That's as
far as they can go in the step without more ethics.
So in theory, you could potentially floss your vaccine instead
of having to have needles, and it will give you
the same sort of immunity as at least it works

(01:04:24):
in myice. You can't say it definitely well, but it
looks like it's going to work in humans. And you
think about some of the challenges around vaccines, and number one,
people afraid of needles, easy one again over number two.
If you think about storing vaccines, they need cold storage,
which is fine if you're in a Western country, but
if you're trying to get them elsewhere, that's a real challenge.
Number three easy distribution. If you just have a big

(01:04:45):
vial of whatever the thing you need to dip it
in as a whole bunch of floss, and you start dipping,
you could now distribute that much more easily. And number four,
if we think about pandemics, and I don't want us
to talk about COVID anymore, but think about whatever the
next pandemic will be, because there will be another one.
How do you scale up protection from it quickly? Well,
imagine if you're able to just because you wouldn't want
to be flossing your teeth for you know, for a

(01:05:07):
month to get the no, and so what they would
do it. So what they did They did this for
a month in the study and then did the final test. Now,
what they didn't prove is how many days flosses you
would actually need for good immunity. And that will depend
on different viruses of course, So yes, but maybe just
regular active floss might be part of a good immunism.
I don't know what else could we put on, well, lost,

(01:05:29):
that's the next thing. Yeah, I don't know, But I
thought the reasonhy I picked the study is because there's
a cute little picture of these two people try to
hold them for the mouse mouth as one of them
is like flossing and the other one is like trying
to stop the mouse from binding them. And you just think, yes, scientists,
thanks for doing what you do. You could just imagine
the conversations. How's work, God, it's good? What are you

(01:05:49):
up to?

Speaker 22 (01:05:49):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (01:05:50):
I'm just spinning my days, flossing my stating every day.

Speaker 21 (01:05:54):
I love it.

Speaker 4 (01:05:54):
Thank you so much, Michelle. Or where can we find
this nature biomedical engineering? Fantastic? Thank you so much.

Speaker 2 (01:06:01):
Right, butter has been in the news again. I don't
see the promise of butter changing in a hurry, but
we are going to explore making your own next here.

Speaker 4 (01:06:10):
With Mike vander Ellson. It is twenty to.

Speaker 1 (01:06:12):
Eleven the Sunday Session Full Show podcast on iHeartRadio powered
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Speaker 16 (01:06:18):
It be.

Speaker 4 (01:06:21):
Mike, Mike vander Ellison. Good morning, Gosh, you're sounding good morning.
You're sounding in good health this morning.

Speaker 3 (01:06:28):
We caught you a little earlier there.

Speaker 7 (01:06:31):
It's been a big week, I can tell you.

Speaker 2 (01:06:33):
Our resident chief joins us now. Mike vander elsen has
announced himself. We're going to talk about butter because Barter's
been in the news this week because politicians said it
was a good idea to make butter the pin up
of the cost of living crisis, and it wasn't a
good idea.

Speaker 4 (01:06:45):
The cost of barter is what it is, isn't it.

Speaker 2 (01:06:47):
And if you can't afford it, just don't buy it,
is where I'm sort of coming from these days, Mike.

Speaker 4 (01:06:54):
But you did a little experiment this.

Speaker 20 (01:06:57):
Week, and it was funny because we had a function
on Friday or Thursday and they wanted to make better right,
and there's twenty four of them. And I was like,
I don't think I'm comfortable with twenty four bowls of
cream being whipped. Be going to just make a messive
theres So I was like, how about I just show
everyone how to make one batch of butter?

Speaker 7 (01:07:18):
And so it kind of falls into this segment quite nicely.

Speaker 4 (01:07:21):
Yeah, I know. So you went and bought a cow.

Speaker 7 (01:07:25):
I did, and I milked it. It took me about
five hours, and.

Speaker 20 (01:07:29):
At my hourly rate of three dollars, it cost me
fifteen dollars.

Speaker 7 (01:07:35):
So I went and brought I brought a liter.

Speaker 20 (01:07:38):
Of cream and that was at a dollars eighty. You then,
as a run through the recipe at the same time.
So what you do is you take that liter cream,
you put it into a mixer with a pinch of salt,
just fine table salt. Turn that on, and what will
happen is the cream will go through kind of three

(01:07:59):
quite distinct stages. The first one is is the soft whip.
This will come about after maybe two minutes. Feel it
your set starting to come together and turn into your classic.

Speaker 7 (01:08:10):
Whipped cream that you put over your pablod it.

Speaker 3 (01:08:14):
Carry it on.

Speaker 7 (01:08:14):
It starts to change somewhat.

Speaker 20 (01:08:16):
The cream starts to yellow up as the fat starts
to separate from from.

Speaker 7 (01:08:22):
The buttermilk or from the liquids that are in that butter.

Speaker 20 (01:08:26):
At this point, turn your mixer off, scrape down the
side so that it's all nice and all getting mixed.
At the same point, pull your mixer back on and
continue to beat.

Speaker 7 (01:08:36):
This will take about.

Speaker 20 (01:08:37):
Another three minutes, and what will happen is you'll very
clearly see the separation of the fat from the way
or from the buttermilk, and it'll get to a point
where you'll just have solid butter getting whipped around in
your mixer, just splashing the buttermilk everywhere all over your kitchen.
At that point, turn it off, pull your solid butter out,

(01:09:01):
and I just wash it under a little bit of Sorry,
I just washed it under a little bit of cold
water just to get that excess way out of it.
And then I put it to a chuck scarf or
a muslin or a tea towel and just squeeze out
that excess buttermilk. And then what you have left is blesto.
You have just meat butter. So out of one liter,

(01:09:21):
I got four hundred grams of butter.

Speaker 2 (01:09:25):
Okay, quick question. I should probably know this. I often
read a recipe and it requires buttermilk, and I can't
find anything at the supermarket this iss buttermilk, and I
don't know what they're talking about.

Speaker 7 (01:09:35):
That's what they're talking about exactly.

Speaker 20 (01:09:38):
It's when it's in the process of making butter, and
that's what is squeezed out of the fat. So one
advantage to making your own butter is a you learn
a skill how to turn a mixer.

Speaker 7 (01:09:49):
Wait and watch. But you also get the fight product,
which is the buttermilk.

Speaker 20 (01:09:53):
And that buttermilk is an amazing marinade for probably the
classic of or crispy chicken. So take your chicken marinated
in there's buttermilk overnight, the acid that's in that buttermilk
tenderizes the checken. And then the next day you pull
it out, run it through a bit of cornflower, a
little bit of salt, maybe some smoke paprika, maybe some
chili powder.

Speaker 7 (01:10:12):
Run it through that into your shallow fry. Deep right delicious.

Speaker 2 (01:10:16):
Okay, So I love the fact you can also to
other things. You can cold smoke your cream beforehand. You
can add some flavors. That's great. I'm not sure though
for eight dollars eight plus the time.

Speaker 4 (01:10:26):
Plus the mess, it's worth it.

Speaker 2 (01:10:28):
And I love the fact that you gave it a
whirl for us.

Speaker 7 (01:10:32):
And we made a lot of mess.

Speaker 20 (01:10:34):
But the cold smoke, the cold smoke method where you
take the cream and its liquid form, you just pour
it into a tray or a gastro or something along
those lines, and then if you've got a cold smoker
at home, chuck it into a cold smoker for like
two or three hours, and that smoke settles on top
of the cream and then you make your butter out
of that. That is taken it to a new level.

(01:10:56):
That's taking us to thirteen fourteen dollars for maybe half
a pound and then you're winning.

Speaker 2 (01:11:05):
H Thank you, Mike very much, appreciate it, loving the
enthusiasm and the passion for it. If you'd like that
recipe for butter, I go to good from Scratch dot
cot and said we will get it up on our website.
News Talk zedb dot co dot in z. Erin Ahara
is with us for wellness.

Speaker 3 (01:11:22):
Next.

Speaker 4 (01:11:22):
It is thirteen to eleven Deep It Simple.

Speaker 3 (01:11:25):
It's Sunday, the Sunday.

Speaker 1 (01:11:27):
Session with Francesca, Rudcat and Wiggles for the best selection
of gras News TALKSB.

Speaker 2 (01:11:34):
And it's time for a wellness segment, joined by Erin O'Hara.
Good morning, Good morning, So this is lovely on a
Sunday morning. We're going to talk about lazybows and poop. Yeah,
why not chat because our poop can say quite a.

Speaker 4 (01:11:49):
Lot about our health, can't it.

Speaker 3 (01:11:50):
Yeah.

Speaker 18 (01:11:50):
I thank Everyone gets a little bit screaming when we're
like talking about poop, but at the end of the day,
everyone poops every day.

Speaker 4 (01:11:56):
There we go, they should do.

Speaker 18 (01:11:58):
There's something else going on, and we're going to chat
about the lazy bow today and that's where the bow
is infrequently moving and more like constipation and lots of
straining and not inch doing the bow properly. And I
think not enough people really observe what is your gut doing?
How is it functioning? And it's as simple as like
noticing how often do you go look turning around, having

(01:12:20):
a little look in the toilet bowl, what does it
look like? And actually knowing that because that can tell
you a lot about your health and you can actually
pick up a lot of bit of whether there's any
disease there from just actually observing what's going on with
your pope.

Speaker 4 (01:12:31):
How frequently should you have a bowel movement?

Speaker 18 (01:12:34):
Ideally at least once a day, which I know some
people think normals once every two days or once every
three days, but actually it's quite sluggis should be going
that infrequently, So the more often we're empty and the
more we're clearing waste. But then we don't want it
Also the opposite end of the scale, either we don't
want to be moving the bow so rapidly that you're
going to the toilet five or six times a day

(01:12:54):
either because you're just going to actually not absorb nutrients properly,
and it will usually be more like a loose stool.
So mainly like, let's getting the bow moving is actually
not as simple as just fiber and water, which I
think common person really thinks, eat more fiber, drink more water,
guts fixed. But actually when it comes to a lazy bow,
there's a lot more to it. And commonly the more

(01:13:16):
lazy the bowel is, the more people will commonly pick
up laxatives and use laxatives. And then the more you
use laxatives, the more lazy the bow becomes. And then
you really got to work on getting it back functioning
properly and getting that peristalsis movement, which is the muscular
movement that kind of moves everything through the large intestine

(01:13:36):
and empties it out, and that can get really lazy
if you're using a lot of stimulant laxatives. And that's
where kind of working out why is the bow lazy
and how can you empty it? Because when you've got
a very full bow, putting more fibrin actually just makes
your tummy really bloated and really gassy and actually.

Speaker 4 (01:13:55):
Doesn't move the bough. Just putting more fiber on the top.
What makes it sluggish? What makes it sluggish?

Speaker 18 (01:14:00):
Well, it can be like sometimes it can be blockage.
So if there's any sort of disease that's creating a blockage,
or maybe you're just having emptied your bow for a
little while, it's created a blockage there. It can be
from that lack of muscular movement through the bow, so
it's got very lazy over time. And that's where retraining
the boughs are really a big part of getting a

(01:14:22):
lazy bow to start working properly. And it's actually the
opposite of like not use more laxatives, but actually start
to use less laxatives. Start to evaluate your fiber intake.
So when it comes to a very full bow, you
don't want to just fill up overfull the fiber because
you actually just get a very full, bloated tummy full
of a lot of gas because all the fiber just

(01:14:43):
sits on top of that backlog. So we really want
to get enough fiber, not too much, not too little,
and adjusting it for that person drinking enough water which
actually just softens all the stills. And it might be
that through that retraining, you might be working alongside a
practitioner or doctor and you might be using the likes
of enemas or colonics, which seem really extreme but can

(01:15:04):
actually help to clear that blockage and then you kind
of start fresh with refilling up the bowel again.

Speaker 4 (01:15:09):
So if you're not eating fiber, what are you putting in?

Speaker 18 (01:15:12):
Well, it's just more being careful of how much you
put in, because generally when someone has a blockage, they'll
generally want to eat more things like white bread because
actually they get less gas, which makes they get less
pain in their tummy. And so that's where the first
step you actually if you've got a lazy bough, is
you want to make sure you get it moving to
clear the blockage first, and then you can rebuild this

(01:15:34):
kind of like we start fresh again as you get
that empty and going, and then you can start to
then start putting the fiber in slowly and start to rebulve,
putting a bit of fruits and vegetables back in the diet.
Start to observe how often you're going, maybe look at
limiting dairy, restricting the amount of stimulant laxatives us as
you're using. Also bringing in some probiotics can be really helpful,

(01:15:57):
but it's that timing of probotics that are helpful too.

Speaker 2 (01:15:59):
Look, someone just texts to say, is it normal as
a celiac to be pooping five times a day?

Speaker 4 (01:16:04):
Quite loose?

Speaker 18 (01:16:05):
No, that would be far too far, too fast, and
probably want to do a bit of gut work and
getting the gut calm and serves them. Really looking at
the lining of the gut in particular.

Speaker 2 (01:16:15):
So how long can it potentially take to retrain your lazyboo?

Speaker 18 (01:16:20):
I'd say it's different for everyone, and so really looking
at like working with a practitioner to get some support
there and get the right advice.

Speaker 2 (01:16:28):
Thank you so much, Aeron O'Hara. It is six to
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Coming up next to doctor Temorte timorquees with us to
tell his story. At age fifty six, he graduated from
medical school and he works in ICU at Middlemore Hospital.
But his life is an extraordinary story. It is one
of child abuse and crime, prison, addiction and recovery and education.

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He's got some interesting takes on the government's policies around
gangs and boot camps and he's going to share those
with us. Next here needs talk.

Speaker 4 (01:17:07):
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this all we don't go the morning.

Speaker 3 (01:17:18):
On the debby bo Sleep.

Speaker 1 (01:17:55):
Welcome to the Sunday Session with Francisca Rudkin and Wiggles
for the best selection of great reeds us talk it be.

Speaker 2 (01:18:11):
Good have you with us this morning on the Sunday Session.
Coming up this our Megan has been iron and hopping
around ko Samui Joan is all excited about the latest
thriller from Debbie John and Piney talks us through what
wrong went what went wrong with the Warriors last night?
And also do you have algorithm fatigue?

Speaker 4 (01:18:30):
We'll discuss that.

Speaker 2 (01:18:31):
On the panel the Sunday Session this week. I have
read the most extraordinary book. It's a new book by
Timorti Timoki. At the age of fifty six, Timurty became
a doctor, but before that came a childhood filled with abuse,
time and care time and state care, prison and eventually gangs.

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It was in rehabit during a stint in prison, that
Timorty wondered if there was model life, if he could
turn it all around. He became a paramedic, which also
came with its challenges, and then in his fifties he
decided to train to become a doctor. Timurti has shared
his incredible sae.

Speaker 4 (01:19:06):
Sorry.

Speaker 2 (01:19:06):
The book was called The Unlikely Doctor and Timote is
in the studio with me now, thank you for coming in.

Speaker 5 (01:19:12):
Good morning, Good morning.

Speaker 4 (01:19:14):
Tell me why did you decide to share your story?
What's your mission with this book?

Speaker 5 (01:19:20):
Basically, like my life has been quite unique, unique in
terms of me having the ability to not only write
a book, but to excel to where I am at
the moment. And there are a lot of people that
could be where I am, but now, due to the
barriers that that society have put in place, they are

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not able to do this. And so essentially what my
book is looking at as the potential that this country
could have if we realize that these are the barriers
in place, and how we need to mend them in
order to allow this country very just potential.

Speaker 2 (01:19:57):
At the very beginning of the book, you talk about
how you like to where you know, you bust to
and from work at Middlemall Hospital, and you like to
wear your doctor scrubs and you keep your idea on
you that you know calls you a doctor and things
purely so that other kids can say, oh, look, there's
a Marty doctor.

Speaker 3 (01:20:13):
Absolutely.

Speaker 5 (01:20:14):
I stay in South Aukland, I stay in public to it,
and there's not many Marty doctors or Pacifica doctors. And
so what I need to do is I need to
show that that Marty Pacifica can be doctors. You know,
they need to see a brownskin doctor out there walking around.
And then it needs to happen often, and it needs
to happen in such a way that people become normalized

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to it and go, yeah, that's that's just what we
do out in South Auckland. And there's a partner book
where I talk about traffic lights up by Hunter's Corner
shopping center and I'm waiting across and across the road
as a young boy, and he must have been about
eight years old or something, and he's standing next to
his bike and and he's waiting across yet and I'm

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looking across him and he's staring at me and he's
checking me out, man, and I'm thinking ha, yeah. And
then the walk sign gaze and we cross were crossing
paths and and he looks up at me and gess,
guess hey, bro and I get hey, Brey, and he
was beaming in that and it was the experience last
maybe a second, two seconds, and then he walks on
his way in. And that's what I want because in

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a second I realized that if I was wearing a
gang patch, he would have done exactly the same. This
is because this young boy is looking for something to
aspire to, and like he's more likely to see a
gang patch than a Mary doctor, and so what needs
to happen and needs to be normalized. So he sees

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that all the time and it's reinforcing his mind. And
so by the time he turns forwarding fifteen sixteen, he thinks,
you know what, might become a doctor, or you know what,
I might become a loyal and you know what, I
might become an engineer, and he doesn't have any of
that psychological barrier. Rather than him turning fifteen to sixteen game,
you know what, I want to be a gangster, because
that's all he's.

Speaker 3 (01:22:01):
Grown up with.

Speaker 4 (01:22:02):
Can we talk about you at fifteen or sixteen? It
was quite a childhood. Maybe just tell me a little
bit at first about your childhood.

Speaker 19 (01:22:11):
My childhood.

Speaker 5 (01:22:13):
Yeah, well, I'm part Marty, part tongue, and I've never
known my dad because they separated before I was born.
My mom and Dad separated for us born. All I
know about him was that he liked to drink and
he liked to hurt people. But then my mom, she
was up here in Tamaki working and she came down
to where my grandparents were in Matata and she had

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me in Fakatani Hospital. Now, the thing is, she was
at the stage of her life where she wasn't she
didn't want to be a mom, so she gave me
to my grandparents. It's called fin line and it's quite
common in Marty cultures. So I was finally to my
caudle and I was given his name, tim Moki. So
I was born Timothy Upadehama Timwok and I lived with
him for the first six years of my life and

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it was amazing. Like I it was beautiful. We were
very poor, but still I wanted for nothing, and I
was in a loving home, very supportive culturally where they
spoke Marty yeah, and it was good. And they come
up here to Atomiki and I was around all my
cousins and that that was beautiful. Then by the time
I turned six, my mom decided she wanted me back.

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And by this time she had married this guy with
the name of Morrison. But because I was on Tim Moke,
I was legally my grandfather's child. So my mom did
is she took my court to the court. I said
this guy she had married, Morrison, she had married, was
my actual dad, and stuck his name on the birth certificate.
Then I went from Timothy tem Ok to Tim Morrison

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and they uplifted me. And they were dysfunctional people that
were dysfunctional as hell, and life took a real hard
turn for me. My stepfather hated me every time he
saw me saw another man. He just couldn't take it.
I'd be I remember, I'm eight years old and I'm
in my room and I'm shaking like her because I

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hear his car rolling up into the couple. I know
what's going to happen. You get off out of the
car and off his face and was just walking to
my room, pulled me out of bed and just slammed
a little and crap out of me and then just
leave me this buddy mess on the floor, go sex
with my mum and go to sleep. And sometimes that's
what happened to me, maybe three times a week, eight

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years old, and that happened to me three times a week,
you know. So by the time I turned fourteen, man,
I'm broken. I am broken, man. But here's the thing.
I grew up in an area where I wasn't the
only kid that that.

Speaker 3 (01:24:32):
Was happening to.

Speaker 5 (01:24:33):
What that allowed me to do was allowed me to
hang out with kids that were similar to me. We
never talked about it, but somehow we just were so
connected and it was because of that stuff, even though
we didn't talk about it. And by that time, I'm broken,
I'm not going to school anymore, and I start getting
into trouble. I had my first official charge for attempted

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burglary at Fording and ended up in oy Ka Boys Home.
Fortunately enough, I am I don't know how it worked,
but my English teacher found out and I went to
stay with them for a year. Beautiful family, beautiful family,
but I'm broken, and so I don't know how to
engage with it.

Speaker 3 (01:25:16):
I don't know how.

Speaker 5 (01:25:17):
I don't know what it is, you know, And so
it doesn't matter how much love and attention they gave
me and how much support I didn't know how to
utilize that. I'm broken.

Speaker 2 (01:25:28):
It's really interesting because I think that that pops up
throughout your life. There you know, there are moments where
you do get yourself together. And if I skip forward
a little bit, you end up in Australia and you
you got to rehab and you get clean and actually
you end up with your own security business and life
is going well. But interestingly, if the wrong person came
into your life, where if things got a bit wobbly, yeah,

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everything would fall over again, wouldn't it. And I mean,
it's it's so I suppose my question to you is,
and I look at you, you know now I think
you were fifty.

Speaker 4 (01:25:56):
Six when you graduated. Is it a doctor? Which is,
and it's a phenomenal story as to how you got there.
It's so much in between. But how important is it
to deal with that kind of trauma that, of course
you do not understand or able to to process when
you're a young man.

Speaker 5 (01:26:13):
That's a good question. And and the thing was, I
got married and I got divorced, and I just everything
hit the skids. But what had happened is like from
from right back at the beginning till then I was
evolving And in the rehab was the first time ever
I learned about the things underneath that that that were

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happening and the reasons behind the reasons why I was
doing stuff. And so I was starting to understand that.
And I think if I hadn't gone there and I
had rocked by them again, things would have been a
lot different from me. And and that's how it is
through all my life, like I've been able to utilize
tools that I got at that time to to to

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help me manage for the future. Yeah, going back, like
I were hanging out with those kids, I utilized the
tools that I got because I needed them for when
I went to prison and I lentalized and I got
tools and there they utilized for when I got out
of prison, and I utilize those tools that I found
there when I got to Australia, and then I utilized

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those tools that hone. There's those tools to to go okay,
carry on and and and it just kept going from there.

Speaker 2 (01:27:28):
At no point, you know, when you're going through your
teenage years, you're in a lot of trouble and you
end up in a you know, sort of corrective training,
you end up in a boot camp, you end up
in Mount Eating prison.

Speaker 4 (01:27:37):
All this kIPS you know, this is kind of a
bit of a regular occurrence for you at any point
did anyone look at you as a vulnerable child or
a victim, you know, especially when you were younger as
well when you started.

Speaker 2 (01:27:51):
You know, you're a bright kid. You're at school, and
all of a sudden, you're not going.

Speaker 5 (01:27:55):
My grandparents and the school teachers and her family.

Speaker 4 (01:28:00):
So some people did try.

Speaker 5 (01:28:02):
Some people did try, but like I said, by the
time they got around to it, especially my school teacher
and her family, it was too lately, Like you can't
you can't just go and turn off a tap. It's
not a tap. Yeah, and you can't turn it off
and get okay, from now on, we'll put a wash
on it, we'll fix it, and now I'll be fine. Yeah, yeah, No,

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it doesn't work like that. And so so because of that,
I had to evolve through it, and I think it
came down a large part to come down to the
first six years I spent with my grandparents, and I
was born, you know, without an e I was born
quite a smart kid. And with that intelligent intelligence, I

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was able to kind of not only negotiate my way
through stuff, but also be able to step back and
work out how things what things need to happen at
that time.

Speaker 4 (01:28:58):
Yeah, I mentioned that you ended up in corrective training.
You went on in seat of what we now would
call a boot camp. But you've got quite a twisting
perspective of what that can create. And of course the
government has reintroduced them. Now I thought this was quite interesting.

Speaker 5 (01:29:13):
What absolutely like they've brought in the boot camps, and yeah,
that that is not going to work. It's actually going
to be it's actually going to make things a hell
of a lot worse. And you can guarantee this, Like
I did boot camp. I came out fit, I came
out disciplined, I came out angry. Now the only thing

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that was missing that that I didn't have is someone
out here, like a leader with foresight and resources that
could have honed those tools into something that was effective
for that group. And the thing is today they do
have groups with charismatic leaders that do have resources. And

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now what this governments are attempting to do is they
attempting to do.

Speaker 3 (01:30:05):
Exactly what they did to me.

Speaker 5 (01:30:06):
Put these guys in there and release them back out
into the community that are angry, that are fit, that
are disciplined and can take orders.

Speaker 4 (01:30:14):
Yeah, and you make the point that's going to make
them really good productive gang members.

Speaker 5 (01:30:21):
They're going to be like they each each group, each
each different gang will have their own little individual elite
force within it, and they'll be made up with these
these people. And and the thing is that that they
these clubs now have resources to invest in that to

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actually hone them and perfect them into a into a focus.
And that's the thing that I missed, and which is
fortunate for me, but also very fortunate for this country
because when I did end up in Australia and I
did end up with charismatic leaders with resources, I excelled. Yeah,
and I became one of the top ranking people in

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those kind of clubs. And so so the thing is
that now here the government thinks, oh yeah, well we'll
just do this and and and we'll show that we're
tough on crime. They're idiots, mate.

Speaker 4 (01:31:15):
You don't think the gang problems going to go away never. Uh.

Speaker 5 (01:31:20):
This is because gangs they reflect where society is failing. Yeah,
they mirror society's fails.

Speaker 3 (01:31:29):
Uh.

Speaker 5 (01:31:30):
And so the if you want to the mask gangs,
you have to demonster drivers the same as crime. You
can't be tough on crime. You got to you've gotta
take care of the drivers of crime and so so
so that you've got to take care of the drivers
of people becoming gangsters. You need more Marty doctors, you

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need more Marty lawyers, you need more Mardy engineers. You
need more brown skinned people walking around in South Auckland.
They have scrubs on rather than gang patches.

Speaker 3 (01:32:03):
That's what you need.

Speaker 2 (01:32:04):
That teacher that you had at school, always and still
you the importance the English teach, the importance of education,
and later on you you did educate yourself. You study acupuncture,
you became the paramedic, and then you ended up at
medical school. Has your life experience made you a better doctor?

Speaker 5 (01:32:22):
One undred percent? And it's made me so much more,
have the ability to engage with people on different levels
and also engage with people in a way that no
other doctor ken.

Speaker 4 (01:32:38):
Thank you so much for sharing this story. I mean,
it's a very brave thing to do. You're laying it
out there, but it's an incredible read and an incredible
story and truly inspirational. And thank you so much for
coming and talking to us.

Speaker 5 (01:32:50):
Thank you for having me.

Speaker 4 (01:32:51):
It's been really good.

Speaker 2 (01:32:52):
That was doctor Timilti Timok. It is really an incredible story.
The book is called The Unlikely Doctor. It's in stores
this Tuesday. Muz takes to say, damn, this guy took
some sense. He should be in government on creating ways
to tackle what our youth are going through with the
new programs. Hi, Francesca, what a fascinating interview on fifty

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five and thinking of training to be a doctor. This
man is an inspiration. Yeah, No, he is, he is,
and he's he's really brutally honest in the book about
his life and things, and I really appreciated him for
sharing that. Panel is up next is twenty two past eleven.

Speaker 3 (01:33:29):
Relax, it's still the weekend.

Speaker 1 (01:33:31):
It's the Sunday session with Francesca, Rudkin and Wiggles for
the best selection of Great Reads news talks.

Speaker 3 (01:33:38):
That'd be good to have you with us.

Speaker 2 (01:33:40):
It is panel time, Roman Travers of course news talks.
He'd be host is joining me now, Good morning.

Speaker 19 (01:33:45):
Morning, Sham.

Speaker 23 (01:33:46):
The shampoo you use is incredible. Your hair is beautiful today.

Speaker 4 (01:33:49):
Thank you very much.

Speaker 2 (01:33:51):
This is just called bed heir. Also, journalist and editor
Joe McCarroll joins us.

Speaker 4 (01:33:56):
Now, Good morning, Joe, good morning, Good to have you
both with us. Hey, this morning we were talking about
the situation we have with the nurses. I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:34:04):
I feel like the health system is a bit like
whack a mole at the moment. You know, we had
the minister, the Health Minister talking about GPS this week.
We get some good news here, but then over here
pops up another situation or another issue that we don't seem.

Speaker 4 (01:34:16):
To be able to solve.

Speaker 2 (01:34:17):
I have been able to get my head around the
nurses remander because everyone tells me, especially people who work
in hospitals, we have a shortage.

Speaker 4 (01:34:24):
We need more nurses.

Speaker 2 (01:34:25):
We seem to have a whole lot coming through and
only forty five percent of them are going to get
a job at a hospital.

Speaker 23 (01:34:30):
Yeah, it's weird, isn't it. We seem to be just
a great big recruiting farm for Australian, for England, because
the hospitals will say they've got twelve vacancies in the
I don't know, proctology department, whatever that is, and yet
they'll say there's a wage freeze or there's a freeze
on recruitment. So yes, they need the staff, No we
can't recruit them. We've got these morons running the whole

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Ministry of Health who wouldn't know what having a real
health concern was because they've all got private health insurance.
And so what we're doing is they're saying, good on
your margaret, you've graduated off, you go to Australia to
earn better money. That's what's happening.

Speaker 2 (01:35:03):
And look, the thing is, though, I understand that, you know,
when a new graduate goes on to award, a certain
amount of training has to be done as well. So
I can see why the hospitals are sort of saying, well,
it's not so attractive and maybe if we can get
an existing nurse and things like that, But why are
we training? Why are we allowing so many to train?
You know, we were told we need nurses, so we're
training heaps. Then they can't get a job. So why

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are we allowing so many to train? It's costing them.
They're desperate to do this job.

Speaker 24 (01:35:30):
I mean, I agree with Raman. Our taxes are literally
subsidizing a medical training system that just funnels doctors and
nurses to Australia. I mean, we are training people with
these critical skills that we need and then forcing them
practically to build the life a tax player offshore. I
mean and as you say, Francisca, it's not that our

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health system is so, you know, egregiously overstaffed. It's that
we don't have But I don't know if it's they're
not looking for graduates. I think these are the cuts
to the budgets. And we had so many times they
would not affect the frontline staff, and here we are
they are clearly affecting the frontline staff. And when is
the health system going to have the budgets it needs

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for a safe staffing level.

Speaker 2 (01:36:15):
I thought it was interesting this morning, Roman when I
was talking to Bianca Grimmer, who is the Nurses Association
National Student Unit President. I need to trim that down.
She was making the point graduates love going into the
hospital system because they can get really good, they can
start specializing, they can learn more there, they're kind of
quite well protected. They you know, it's a great stepping

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stone for them. I mean a lot of these nurses
will probably go and get other jobs and primary sectors
and things. But if that's where we're going to create
really good nurses as well as that's where they're getting
the support to become good nurses going forward wherever they
end up, I think we should be trying to encourage that.

Speaker 23 (01:36:53):
Yeah, I think I think a lot of things, and
I think this is widely misconstrued. It's also the same
for other industries. Look at all the people being pumped
out by broadcasting schools. Where are they all going. Where
all the journalists going. They're going into Fonterra to write
absolute spin and bollocks about butter probably. But when you've
got nurses who you know, they're working long, long shifts,

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there in tears at the end they have to do
a recorded handover. They can't wait to get home, they've
done twelve hours. I tell you what, if I was
a nurse, I'd be going for a job at Shortland
Street where I'm just putting a bit of botox in
and complaining about the.

Speaker 3 (01:37:26):
Price of coffee.

Speaker 23 (01:37:27):
Because lots of nurses will be looking for jobs in
the private sector. The private healthcare system is going to
take off. And that's become evident by a government who
don't give a flying sausage about most of us who
we're on triage waiting lists for too long. And if
you're wealthy enough, Joe, you've got health insurance and you
go ahead of everyone else to see a nice flash nurse, don't.

Speaker 24 (01:37:47):
You oh one hundred percent. I mean it's it feels,
you know, so deliberate that you think, is this just,
you know, a conspiracy in order to drivers closer and
closer to privatization, at which point will have the same problems.
But three times the bill.

Speaker 2 (01:38:05):
I reckon, if we spoke to you know, if we
had someone on this panel now who is actually working
as a nurse in the system, they would say, look,
actually things haven't changed a huge amount. I think Joe's right.
I think we've been told sold stories. We've got a
nurse shortage, We're gonna give you more nurses, but the
story just isn't quite adding up. You mentioned the price
of butter roman and everyone's been getting pretty well, the

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finance and the Minister thought she'd get to the bottom
of the prices butter this week. And I think this
is a fatal flaw that the government has done. They
have made butter the pin up of the cost of
living crisis, and they shouldn't. It's just it is expensive
and we know why. And if you can't afford it,
don't buy it. Grab yourself some Oliviana or something which
might last a little longer and go a little further.

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But we're kind of turned butter into this big thing.

Speaker 4 (01:38:52):
Yeah, and it's a bit out of control.

Speaker 23 (01:38:54):
Isn't it a little bit cringey? When most of the
media in New Zealand for the last two weeks the
feature story has been the price of butter and what
we can do about it. Number one, As you said,
don't buy it. Number two, have a look at the
gards of stress where there's four starvation forced bond people
by the idiots running Israel, and you've got us, You've
got us going butter. It's also the reason why I

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don't buy maserates because I can't afford one, so I
won't buy butter. And I think also that you know
this whole thing, I've heard certain people in the media saying, oh,
we love to support business when it does well. We
should be supporting people for making good money.

Speaker 3 (01:39:29):
How does that work?

Speaker 23 (01:39:30):
When we talk about supermarkets that are New Zealand owned,
we condemn them for making good money. So you've got
this duplicity of attitudes. But ultimately it is a first
world problem and just don't buy it and then watch
the price come down.

Speaker 4 (01:39:42):
Maybe because we had.

Speaker 2 (01:39:43):
That whole Pilava about Nikola Willis saying she was going
to have a meeting with Fonterra and things. It was
a regular meeting. She made it into a big deal
and it turned out to be virtual signaling. I mean,
unless she's walking in there to offer a subsidy on butter,
which I don't think any of us want to put
in place, because we're just going to pay for that.

Speaker 4 (01:39:57):
What else you going to do?

Speaker 24 (01:39:59):
Well, I don't know the solution either, and I absolutely
agree it's just become this cost of living. And when
we say if you've seen the price of butter, we're
kind of it's a shorthand for saying, have you seen
the price of power? Have you seen the price of petrol?
Have you seen the price of mints?

Speaker 9 (01:40:15):
Everything?

Speaker 24 (01:40:15):
You know, because it is now a lightning rod for
you know, our absolute shock at how expensive things are.
But I actually do push back on this idea. That's
the international price, and you know these high prices are
good for our dairy farmers, and that is all true,
but you know, we as taxpayers, we do pay the

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environmental costs of this increase in dairy production, you know,
the primary sector, which I have nothing but respect for,
but it's supported in a variety of different ways by
public money. I feel like we're paying so much. I mean,
we're privatizing the profits and socializing the costs.

Speaker 4 (01:40:54):
It was quite good, wasn't it. Romance?

Speaker 3 (01:40:55):
That was very good?

Speaker 4 (01:40:57):
Yeah, I thought out, I love baker.

Speaker 7 (01:40:59):
I'm a baker, and I'm very passionate about that.

Speaker 23 (01:41:02):
Here too, saying here, I've stopped making my banana loves though,
because there's a lot of butter and those. But you
talk about the home market, and that's what we get
told the home market school, Sea Economics, Makota College, and
Marsterden I passed because they made me understand that whatever
they get overseas, we have to pay. Do you know what, though,
you don't have to buy a better You're not going
to die if you don't buy it, but you are
if you live in Gaza.

Speaker 4 (01:41:23):
Hey, guys, I.

Speaker 2 (01:41:23):
Want to bring up something really quickly. My producer this
week has discovered that discovered that she is suffering from
algorithm fatigue. So she is tired of platforms and AI
just sending her what they think she's interested in, and
the algorithm's completely changing after showing a minor interest in
the topic. I think she watched one Rugby League video
and then has been inundated with everything to do with NRL.

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She just wants a real worldview of everything from news
to social media to streaming, but all these platforms are
sending her what she thinks she wants, and it's really frustrating.
It's too much, and she's just gonna walk away.

Speaker 4 (01:41:55):
Have you had this?

Speaker 3 (01:41:56):
Have your experienced this?

Speaker 11 (01:41:56):
From man?

Speaker 23 (01:41:57):
Yeah, kind of to a certain extent. Although I'm very
wary of the clickbait. You know, the only reason why
the Kardashians and their overinflated bottoms are in the news
is because people click on that and regard that as news.
I don't even know why they're in the news. So
the algorithm I'm not too worried about, because I'm careful
about what I read. But I love an algorithm for
Netflix because it allows me not to be fed a

(01:42:17):
whole bunch of crap that I don't want to watch.

Speaker 2 (01:42:19):
Unless everyone's used your profile and your partner's watched five
minutes of absolutely everything that's on Offer and Joe, then
you're left with this crazy algorithm.

Speaker 24 (01:42:30):
Oh my god, I clearly our Francisca. I do want
to complain about that. Conrad likes to watch every war
movie occurring in real time, and my algorithm it's destroyed.

Speaker 7 (01:42:42):
But you know, I mean, Carrie is so right.

Speaker 24 (01:42:45):
I watched one video the other day of a thrifted
wedding dress and now all I see is like wedding dresses,
engagement rings, bride addresses, and I am not getting married,
you know, But oh, I just I mean, I wantn't
say the algorithm it doesn't exist to give everyone a.

Speaker 7 (01:43:04):
Go, you know what I mean?

Speaker 24 (01:43:05):
And it's you know, it's it will remain exactly the
same as long as it is profitable.

Speaker 2 (01:43:12):
Roman Travers, Joe McCarroll, thank you so much for your
time today. Appreciate twenty five to twelve News Tooks at B.

Speaker 1 (01:43:21):
It's the Sunday session with Francesca Rudkin on News Talks
at B.

Speaker 2 (01:43:27):
Coming up at midday is Jason Paine with Weekend Sport
and he's with me now.

Speaker 8 (01:43:31):
Good morning, Good morning.

Speaker 4 (01:43:32):
What happened to the Warriors last night?

Speaker 7 (01:43:34):
It's a very good.

Speaker 8 (01:43:34):
Question, one which I would like to examine in great
detail after midday. Actually, look the Gold Coast Titans. For
some reason, they're a bit of a bogie team for
the Warriors. I don't know why. There's probably no reason why,
but I think that's six out of seven games that
the Warriors have lost to the Titans that were bottom
of the table. The Warriors off the back of a
couple of wins, that hugely emotional last minute try last

(01:43:56):
week for Lekahalisima which gave them a last minute went
over the nights. They were ten mil up early on
and I thought it was going to be a cricket score.
I thought it was going to be one of those
where the Warriors just win it going away, but instead
the Titans go bang bang, the momentum shifts and the
Warrior has never got it back. So yeah, I'm very
very keen to talk about this after midday. Look, selection,

(01:44:19):
I think comes into this. What can they do differently
in terms of selection. Yes, they've got injuries which are
never helpful, but they're affective life when it comes to
contact sports. So yeah, and zooming out. Are the Warriors
still a top four proposition? They're in the top four
at the moment, six games to go. Do we see
them staying there? I think there's a big question mark.

(01:44:40):
They can obviously, but will they that'll.

Speaker 2 (01:44:42):
Be interesting to talk this afternoon. Liam Lawson sitting at
number nine on the grid for the Belgium GP morning.

Speaker 4 (01:44:48):
That's pretty good, isn't it.

Speaker 8 (01:44:49):
Absolutely yeah, it continues to show real improvement. Liam Lawson
his best I think in terms of grid position. He'll
be happy about that. And look just one spot behind
his racing bulls teammate Isaac Hadjar And of course, you
know the big tick for Liam Lawson is to beat
Haja as often as he can. I've often heard that

(01:45:11):
that if you beat your teammate, you're in good shape.
Front row the McLaren's, Norris and Piastree. Look, they just
seem faster than everybody else. So yeah, I think Liam,
if he can hold his spot in the top ten
and pick up points because of course the top ten
pick up formula one points, another feather in his cap,
another little step in his improvements.

Speaker 4 (01:45:29):
Do you know what I've been loving in July?

Speaker 8 (01:45:31):
Piney, I think you're going to say the Tour de France.

Speaker 2 (01:45:35):
I haven't watched it for years and I've got a
bit hooked on watching the two hour sort of highlights
package at the end of the day, and I've just
loved it. I've just loved touring around France. I've loved
the chateaus, I've loved the scenery, I've loved the history.
But I've loved the competition. I've loved getting to know
all these riders. I've loved the jeopardy in each stage.

(01:45:58):
It's been fantastic. Do you know, though, one thing has
infuriated me. I'm quite beside myself about it.

Speaker 3 (01:46:04):
Can you know what that is?

Speaker 22 (01:46:05):
No?

Speaker 4 (01:46:06):
The spectators. I just don't know whether it's because as
New Zealanders we're so polite, right, we'd all if they
say please do not stand on the road, we would
all stand on the side of the road, you know,
we wouldn't stand on alone. They are in their faces,
waving signs, setting off flares.

Speaker 2 (01:46:22):
In every evening. I sit down and I watch it,
and I'm loving it. But at some point it's just like,
oh my goodness, how did the cyclists. I mean, if
I think the cyclists have no energy, if they did,
I reckon they get off their bikes and go and
give a few of these people a bit of a
shovel a push. But it is just it is they
just frenzied. I don't see anything like it anywhere else is.

Speaker 8 (01:46:39):
Quite it's unique. It's totally You're not You're right, it's
totally unique. It would be like, yeah, when the All
Blacks are playing a test, you know people on the field,
it's a running alongside Will John and saying go mate.

Speaker 2 (01:46:51):
It'd be like you on the sideline, reporting from the sideline,
jumping over the signs and getting in there right amongst it. Anyway,
I have loved it, and unfortunately they're going to ride
into Paris tomorrow morning and it's all going to be
over and I'm going to have to find something else
to entertain myself.

Speaker 8 (01:47:02):
But I'm I'm glad you've enjoyed it. I think Taday
Pigacia has too. He's lead so that ceremonial along the
champsa Le say, tomorrow to the to the finish line.

Speaker 2 (01:47:12):
Apparently he's a bit exhausted about now, but that's understandable.

Speaker 8 (01:47:15):
Well, he has been on his bike for about a month.
They're going about sixty k so he could probably be forgiven.

Speaker 4 (01:47:20):
For that finely, very much. Looking forward to a weekend sport.
We'll talk to you at midday.

Speaker 3 (01:47:25):
Look forward to it for Sunday session.

Speaker 1 (01:47:27):
Full show podcast on iHeartRadio powered by News talksb Travel
with Windy Woo Tours Where the World Is Yours book Now.

Speaker 2 (01:47:39):
Meghan is back in New Zealand. Megan Singleton, our travel correspondent,
Good morning.

Speaker 9 (01:47:46):
Good morning, Good to have you home.

Speaker 4 (01:47:48):
You're just home.

Speaker 22 (01:47:50):
Got home on Friday and I went straight to work
in the Howick market on Saturday, and here I am
with a blog post published on by Sunday.

Speaker 2 (01:48:00):
Look look at you now, Ko Samui. Is that in
a safe area at the moment?

Speaker 9 (01:48:05):
Yes, so I was looking at all that as well.

Speaker 22 (01:48:07):
So at the moment, obviously we know that Thailand and
Cambodia having a bit of jibaji and then also down
in Perquet you've seen a lot of flooding. So Kosamoli
is situated in the Gulf of Thailand, so it's really
far south of Bangkok. It couldn't probably be further from
the troubles up there, and it's also protected on its
west by the mainland from all the flooding that hit Perquet,

(01:48:30):
which is out in the in the ocean now that side.

Speaker 9 (01:48:33):
So we're in the gulf and there's andemancy.

Speaker 22 (01:48:34):
We're in the gulf, and it's also it's an International Airport,
so we flew directly from their home via Singapore.

Speaker 9 (01:48:44):
So it's actually if you didn't want to go to Bangkok,
you don't have to.

Speaker 3 (01:48:47):
We did.

Speaker 9 (01:48:48):
It's about an hour's flight between them.

Speaker 22 (01:48:51):
We started a Bangkok officets we spoke to you from
last week, and then finished in Kosamui for four nights,
which certainly was not long enough. Honestly, it was just
so beautiful and I'd spent ages working out where we
were going to stay, what beaches, which resorts we wanted
to stay at, what we were going to do. So

(01:49:12):
I've whipped this blog post up and put a few
photos in and even made a little video of me
swimming around the resort. Not of me, I've got the
camera in front of me. I'm just showing you around
the resort swimming and make you a bit Jellywillie in
this kind of you know, New Zealand.

Speaker 2 (01:49:31):
Whether I'm sorry, okay, So when you stay there, is
it all about the resort or there are other things
that you can do around there? Can you leave to
dine out in other places and stuff like that?

Speaker 22 (01:49:42):
Absolutely, And in fact, some of the girls on the
tour hired a driver for a couple of hours and
went around the whole island and saw like amazing things
and they said, oh my gosh, that was even better
than our island hopping boat trip that we did.

Speaker 9 (01:49:57):
So you've got all of those things.

Speaker 22 (01:50:00):
There's there's lots of lovely beaches, there's night markets, there's
We had our final at a beautiful hilltop restaurant overlooking
like three sixty degree views high up on the hill
overlooking Chao Weng Beach, which is another really beautiful beach,
but that's a bit more crowded, so I've written about that.

(01:50:20):
That's where we found a shopping mall on Glory be
and that also had a night market in front, so
you've got the best of both. Word, it's a bit
of air conditioning when you're about to pass out and
then head out back into the tents again because it
is rainy season. But however, we only experienced a torrential
downpour for about two hours when we landed and that
was it for the four days, so you know, I

(01:50:42):
really recommend It was my first time visiting Kosamoui.

Speaker 9 (01:50:44):
I've been a pouquette lots of times, and I definitely
will be back.

Speaker 22 (01:50:48):
There's so much and I didn't get to see and
I would definitely want to go and do again.

Speaker 2 (01:50:52):
And getting there and back because Thailand Airways haven't returned
to New Zealand since COVID have they.

Speaker 22 (01:50:58):
No, So you can do a Star Alliance code share
with the air New Zealand and Singapore Airlines through Singapore
and then you're about an hour's flight from Kosoamua or
an hours hour and a half from dang Kok. So
that's how we did it with Vangkok Airways. So we
just had the travel agent book us all through on
the one ticket, so that made it easy. And then yeah,

(01:51:19):
you're just going to have to change planes at Singapore
or where you might go through Malaysia.

Speaker 9 (01:51:23):
You know, there's other options to get there.

Speaker 2 (01:51:26):
Thank you so much, Megan, appreciate it. You can find
that blog at blogger at large dot com. It is
eleven to twelve books.

Speaker 3 (01:51:34):
With wikles for the best Election of Great Reads.

Speaker 2 (01:51:39):
John McKenzie, good morning, Good morning, Holly Jackson. Not quite
deg yet. This sounds interesting.

Speaker 4 (01:51:45):
It is interesting.

Speaker 25 (01:51:46):
I'll just start by saying that Holly Jackson is at
this point in time best known for the series she
wrote called A Good Girl's Guide to Murder, which is
a young adult series and has been read by thousands
and thousands of people, hugely popular. This book is ostensibly
published for an adult audience, well there's no reason why
a younger reader couldn't enjoy it as well. And it

(01:52:08):
is an entirely implausible premise. It's the story of a
woman called Jet Mason who one night is attacked in
the kitchen of her home and the doctors tell her
afterwards that there is something in her brain which they're
unable to fix, and they give her seven days before
she has an aneurysm which will kill her. So I
read this and I thought, oh, yeah, you know, that

(01:52:29):
kind of doesn't really work for me. But as I
kept reading and got into it, it's terrific because what
she does is she says, well, I've got seven days
to live, and I'm going to find out who my
murderer is. And it's full of black humor and face
and wit and this implausible premise, which as you read

(01:52:50):
it becomes more and more possible.

Speaker 4 (01:52:53):
I thought it was really enjoyable. It's interesting, are young
adult writers the same as child actors. We struggle to
allow them to grow up and take on different material.

Speaker 25 (01:53:04):
Ah yeah, potentially, that's right, and it comes with all
sorts of logistical issues because, of course, in our business,
we shelve our young adult books in one part of
the store, but we put our adult books in another
part of the store, and so grouping and author's body
of work together can be quite challenging.

Speaker 4 (01:53:22):
Huh, very good point. Now tell me about Red Star
down by D. B. John.

Speaker 25 (01:53:28):
What I will tell you is that this is fabulous.

Speaker 4 (01:53:30):
Okay, we're in thrill the land here.

Speaker 25 (01:53:33):
He wrote a book several years ago called Star of
the North, which I think I came on this program
and raved about at the time, which was basically set
between North Korea and America. And this is a sequel,
but like all good sequels, you don't have to have
read the first one, though I would absolutely recommend it.
So in this sequel, it's set at the nexus of

(01:53:53):
North Korea and Russia and Washington, America, and it's the
story of a actually several stories. Is three individuals who
carry this book. And what you have is a real
estate mogul who's just been made President of America. You've
got real life events which are woven into the stories,

(01:54:16):
such as you might remember the time when a member
of the North Korean Kim family was attacked in the
Kuala Lumpur airport and poisoned. Do you remember that it
was all over the news at the time. So world
events like that are woven through this story, which is
the most fabulous thriller. So anybody who likes a good
book just goes straight.

Speaker 19 (01:54:35):
Out and get this one.

Speaker 4 (01:54:36):
Okay, love it.

Speaker 2 (01:54:37):
So the first book we spoke about is Not Quite
Dead Yet by Holly Jackson. The second book, the excellent
thriller Read Star Down by D. B.

Speaker 9 (01:54:46):
John.

Speaker 4 (01:54:46):
Thank you so much, Joan, See you.

Speaker 1 (01:54:47):
Next week the Sunday Session Full Show podcast on my
Heart Radio powered by News Talks.

Speaker 2 (01:54:54):
EDB, thank you so much for being with us this
morning here on News Talks. D BE thank you very
much for your text and g it a care for
producing the show. Jason Pines up next, very keen for
you to join him. Got a few things you'd like
to chat to you about next week on the show.
Sophie Henderson is going to join me. She's one of

(01:55:14):
my favorite Kiwi actors and screenwriters. She's got an incredible
sensibility when it comes to writing scripts. She wrote a
beautiful short film that she also starred and called Fantail,
as well as the Rose meta Feo film Baby Done.

Speaker 4 (01:55:31):
You might remember that as well.

Speaker 2 (01:55:32):
Anyway, she has a new film out. It's called Workmates.
It's screening at the New Zealand International Film Fest, though
it's having its world premiere. I might have taken a
quick look at it, and I'm not really allowed to
talk about it, but I am. Let's just say I
loved it so really excited. She's going to join us
on the show next week, and also doctor Rachel Clark.
She's going to join us talk about her book, The
Story of Her Heart. I don't think I've cried as

(01:55:54):
much as I did reading this book over the week.
It is an incredible story of two nine year olds
whose lives intertwined. It is a true story about a
young girl who died McCarry accident and her heart was
donated to a young boy who was dying of heart failure.
Extraordinary story looking into organ donation and everything about it.

(01:56:17):
So I think it's going to be a really fascinating conversation.

Speaker 4 (01:56:21):
But in the meantime, enjoy the rest of your afternoon,
have a great week, and look forward to catching up
with you next Sunday. Take care.

Speaker 17 (01:56:31):
Holor it is a little good holor any mean isn't
it something Mamie bed in the middle, Hollor earning is
a little

Speaker 1 (01:56:49):
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