October 4, 2025 • 5 mins
The All Blacks have picked up a bonus-point 28-14 win over the Wallabies in Perth, but it hasn't been enough to win the Rugby Championship.
South Africa's landed the title after winning a tight contest against Argentina 29-27 in London, just edging out the ABs on points differential.
Former All Black Ant Strachan says this result will come as a relief for the All Blacks, but there's room for improvement ahead of the four-match grand slam tour in November.
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Speaker 1 (00:06):
You're listening to the Sunday Session podcast with Francesca Rudkin
from news Talk ZEDB to Rugby.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
Now and South Africa have claimed the Rugby Championship overnight,
but the twenty nine twenty seven when over Argentina or
in London, they've just edged out the All Blacks to
the championship. The All Blacks bonus point twenty eight to
fourteen win over Australia not quite enough, leaving them tied
with South Africa on points but missing out on the
title due to inferior points differential. All comes down to
(00:34):
the numbers. Former All Black and Zidbey Rugby analyst and
Straum joins me.
Speaker 3 (00:38):
Now, good morning and morning Tresty. Yes, how are you
very good?
Speaker 2 (00:41):
Thank you? So not perfect from the All Blacks. But
what can they take away from that win last night?
Speaker 3 (00:47):
Well, I think person foremost iss sets of relief, probably
for most of these yleander because I think we're all
a little bit worried about the Perth Test. Obviously, with
the weather usually pretty sunny on in Western Australia, it
was going to be a pretty hard and fast sort
of game, but of course the weather came in and
then you know, it just changes the dynamic of a
whole lot of things. And look, to be honest, you know,
(01:07):
barring their relief, I think we've seen progress in the
sor back team and going over there, you know, sixty
thousand parochial fans in those conditions we spoke about. You know,
it was a great effort really in the end, and
I mean they did control the game for most of it.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
I noticed in the city morning here and I think
it was Peter fit Simmons made the comments, look the
outcome frustrated. It might not have been great, but we
did have a fantastic twenty minutes in there. What is
it going to take do you think for the Wallabies
to make that eighty minutes of good play?
Speaker 3 (01:39):
Well, you know, it's no secret that this team under
Joe Smith's a way better version than what we saw
at the World Cup a couple of years ago. You know,
they're always in the fight. They do have those minutes,
those twenty twenty five minutes periods of a game where
they really do dominate. But that's the challenges just to
get that eighty minute, you know, full eighty minutes out
of a team. And they just had me out to
(02:00):
do that in this season so far, but you know
they've got an Northern Tour coming up. They've got four
or five game I think overseas, as do the All Blacks,
So another step for them to progress. But that's definitely
made improvements. But you know, they just can't clock off
for chunks of games because they're getting burned and they're
just struggling to come back and win those games.
Speaker 2 (02:19):
So overall, what kind of rating do you give the
All Black Rugby Championship performance.
Speaker 3 (02:25):
Well, that's a really good question. I'd probably give them
somewhere close to about seven, you know, because there's a
lot of things that we have addressed during the competition
that we were struggling and I mean, let's cast their
mind deck to that. Here we defeating Wellington to the
South Africans. You know, that was only three weeks ago
and we've seen some vast improvements. Obviously, we're not playing
(02:47):
against that, so they're gonna be playing against Australia. But
you've still got to improve certain areas of your game.
And there's probably five or six key parts that we
actually are progressing, but still three or four more areas
to sort of to get you to ten. You know,
there's still things that they're obviously going to have to
work on between now and the Northern Tour.
Speaker 2 (03:03):
All right, I hate to throw a cliche at you,
but I will. But rugby has been the winner on
the day. I mean, it's been a great competition. I've
been really encouraged by the close nature of the games.
Speaker 3 (03:12):
I totally agree. And I mean, if you cast some
mind back to the Super Rugby, I thought the Super
Rugby season was the best as well. We saw sixty
points of nearly every Super Rugby game. I think it
brought the fans back. It's been a joy. And of
course that's just transferred into this championship and historically it's
a one horse race, you know. And we had four
teams or three or four teams that were really posed
right at the back end, and I mean that's what
(03:34):
we want at international rugby level. And we saw some
really close matches. We saw some teams coming past others
in the last few minutes and then you know the
dominance of a couple of those games as well. So look,
I think the international games live and well I just
can't wait for the sort of Southern hemisphere to play
the Northern Hemis at the back end of the year,
just to see how we are actually dragging.
Speaker 2 (03:54):
Well, that's the thing. Okay, So we've got a break
and then the first weekend of November the All Blacks
are going to be playing Ireland and they're going to
play Scotland Worlds and England. Are we ready? What are
you expecting?
Speaker 3 (04:04):
Well? I think the players need a break and foremost
it's been a pretty arduous campaign this one and obviously
hard games every single week, and I mean they'll have
their rest, they'll reassess, they'll look at the squads. They
may add some new players because those these tours at
the end of the year are chance of development. The
younger ones bring a few players in, so I think
(04:25):
they'll do that as well. But you know, as well,
they just keep improving. But we get from a seven
to seven and a half up to eight. You know,
we're going to be highly competitive against those four nations
you spoke about, so there's no reason why we can't
go over there and win them all. But England they're
probably the big big ticket item, aren't they, because they're
checking pretty well to play looking them as well, so
(04:46):
they'll all be challenges. Those matches. But I think we
keep progressing as we say, you know, there's no reason
why we couldn't have an undefeated Northern.
Speaker 2 (04:53):
Tour and look good to go into the tour worth
after winning you know, consecutive games, which is good. Said
at the consistency there.
Speaker 3 (05:01):
Well, it's momentum and confidence too, isn't it, Because you
know this team has been dented it this year, I
mean the one one lost one one one, you know,
and of course they've put together two performances now win
at home and away, which must give them immense confidence.
And we've seen some good performances from players that haven't
been in the saw Black teams for very long, Leroy Carter,
Peter lakeye you know, and there's a Fabian holland there's
(05:24):
a few others. So that's really promising the future. I
just hope they keep pulling some of these younger players
and just add a bit more, a few more layers
to our team. Rather than have a team of thirty five,
we should have probably forty five. We're going to need
them over the next two or three season hitting it
into the next World Cup.
Speaker 2 (05:40):
Yeah, that's so true. And Strawn as always, thank you
very much. For your thoughts. We will no doubt catch
up in a.
Speaker 3 (05:45):
Month or so.
Speaker 1 (05:47):
For more from the Sunday session with Francesca Rudkin, listen
live to us Talks there'd be from nine am Sunday,
or follow the podcast on iHeartRadio
You're listening to the Sunday Session podcast with Francesca Rudkin
from news Talk ZEDB to Rugby.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
Now and South Africa have claimed the Rugby Championship overnight,
but the twenty nine twenty seven when over Argentina or
in London, they've just edged out the All Blacks to
the championship. The All Blacks bonus point twenty eight to
fourteen win over Australia not quite enough, leaving them tied
with South Africa on points but missing out on the
title due to inferior points differential. All comes down to
(00:34):
the numbers. Former All Black and Zidbey Rugby analyst and
Straum joins me.
Speaker 3 (00:38):
Now, good morning and morning Tresty. Yes, how are you
very good?
Speaker 2 (00:41):
Thank you? So not perfect from the All Blacks. But
what can they take away from that win last night?
Speaker 3 (00:47):
Well, I think person foremost iss sets of relief, probably
for most of these yleander because I think we're all
a little bit worried about the Perth Test. Obviously, with
the weather usually pretty sunny on in Western Australia, it
was going to be a pretty hard and fast sort
of game, but of course the weather came in and
then you know, it just changes the dynamic of a
whole lot of things. And look, to be honest, you know,
(01:07):
barring their relief, I think we've seen progress in the
sor back team and going over there, you know, sixty
thousand parochial fans in those conditions we spoke about. You know,
it was a great effort really in the end, and
I mean they did control the game for most of it.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
I noticed in the city morning here and I think
it was Peter fit Simmons made the comments, look the
outcome frustrated. It might not have been great, but we
did have a fantastic twenty minutes in there. What is
it going to take do you think for the Wallabies
to make that eighty minutes of good play?
Speaker 3 (01:39):
Well, you know, it's no secret that this team under
Joe Smith's a way better version than what we saw
at the World Cup a couple of years ago. You know,
they're always in the fight. They do have those minutes,
those twenty twenty five minutes periods of a game where
they really do dominate. But that's the challenges just to
get that eighty minute, you know, full eighty minutes out
of a team. And they just had me out to
(02:00):
do that in this season so far, but you know
they've got an Northern Tour coming up. They've got four
or five game I think overseas, as do the All Blacks,
So another step for them to progress. But that's definitely
made improvements. But you know, they just can't clock off
for chunks of games because they're getting burned and they're
just struggling to come back and win those games.
Speaker 2 (02:19):
So overall, what kind of rating do you give the
All Black Rugby Championship performance.
Speaker 3 (02:25):
Well, that's a really good question. I'd probably give them
somewhere close to about seven, you know, because there's a
lot of things that we have addressed during the competition
that we were struggling and I mean, let's cast their
mind deck to that. Here we defeating Wellington to the
South Africans. You know, that was only three weeks ago
and we've seen some vast improvements. Obviously, we're not playing
(02:47):
against that, so they're gonna be playing against Australia. But
you've still got to improve certain areas of your game.
And there's probably five or six key parts that we
actually are progressing, but still three or four more areas
to sort of to get you to ten. You know,
there's still things that they're obviously going to have to
work on between now and the Northern Tour.
Speaker 2 (03:03):
All right, I hate to throw a cliche at you,
but I will. But rugby has been the winner on
the day. I mean, it's been a great competition. I've
been really encouraged by the close nature of the games.
Speaker 3 (03:12):
I totally agree. And I mean, if you cast some
mind back to the Super Rugby, I thought the Super
Rugby season was the best as well. We saw sixty
points of nearly every Super Rugby game. I think it
brought the fans back. It's been a joy. And of
course that's just transferred into this championship and historically it's
a one horse race, you know. And we had four
teams or three or four teams that were really posed
right at the back end, and I mean that's what
(03:34):
we want at international rugby level. And we saw some
really close matches. We saw some teams coming past others
in the last few minutes and then you know the
dominance of a couple of those games as well. So look,
I think the international games live and well I just
can't wait for the sort of Southern hemisphere to play
the Northern Hemis at the back end of the year,
just to see how we are actually dragging.
Speaker 2 (03:54):
Well, that's the thing. Okay, So we've got a break
and then the first weekend of November the All Blacks
are going to be playing Ireland and they're going to
play Scotland Worlds and England. Are we ready? What are
you expecting?
Speaker 3 (04:04):
Well? I think the players need a break and foremost
it's been a pretty arduous campaign this one and obviously
hard games every single week, and I mean they'll have
their rest, they'll reassess, they'll look at the squads. They
may add some new players because those these tours at
the end of the year are chance of development. The
younger ones bring a few players in, so I think
(04:25):
they'll do that as well. But you know, as well,
they just keep improving. But we get from a seven
to seven and a half up to eight. You know,
we're going to be highly competitive against those four nations
you spoke about, so there's no reason why we can't
go over there and win them all. But England they're
probably the big big ticket item, aren't they, because they're
checking pretty well to play looking them as well, so
(04:46):
they'll all be challenges. Those matches. But I think we
keep progressing as we say, you know, there's no reason
why we couldn't have an undefeated Northern.
Speaker 2 (04:53):
Tour and look good to go into the tour worth
after winning you know, consecutive games, which is good. Said
at the consistency there.
Speaker 3 (05:01):
Well, it's momentum and confidence too, isn't it, Because you
know this team has been dented it this year, I
mean the one one lost one one one, you know,
and of course they've put together two performances now win
at home and away, which must give them immense confidence.
And we've seen some good performances from players that haven't
been in the saw Black teams for very long, Leroy Carter,
Peter lakeye you know, and there's a Fabian holland there's
(05:24):
a few others. So that's really promising the future. I
just hope they keep pulling some of these younger players
and just add a bit more, a few more layers
to our team. Rather than have a team of thirty five,
we should have probably forty five. We're going to need
them over the next two or three season hitting it
into the next World Cup.
Speaker 2 (05:40):
Yeah, that's so true. And Strawn as always, thank you
very much. For your thoughts. We will no doubt catch
up in a.
Speaker 3 (05:45):
Month or so.
Speaker 1 (05:47):
For more from the Sunday session with Francesca Rudkin, listen
live to us Talks there'd be from nine am Sunday,
or follow the podcast on iHeartRadio
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