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Speaker 1 (00:06):
You're listening to the Sunday Session podcast with Francesca Rudkin
from News Talks EDB.

Speaker 2 (00:13):
It's Sunday. You know what that means. It's the Sunday.

Speaker 1 (00:16):
Session with Francesca Rudkin and Wiggles for the best Election
of Great Reeds Us Talks EDB.

Speaker 3 (00:28):
Good morning, Welcome. I'm Francisca Rudkin with you until midday.
Good to have you with us, no doubt a bit
of a late one for some of you. Last night
The All Black's finishing the Rugby Championship with a win,
but not quite the series. More on this shortly. On
the show today, Richard Osman is with us to talk
about his latest book in the Thursday Murder Club series.
We're going to talk about the incredible success of this

(00:48):
series and we find out what he thinks about the
Thursday Murder Club Netflix film adaptation. Richard Osman is with
us after ten. Also on the show today, Susan Lunch
ongoing from a farm and who are by to performing
on some of the biggest stages in the world. To
say that quite a bit has happened between starting out
with her sister as one half of the checks to

(01:09):
her current group, the Lady Killers is a little bit
of an understatement. Susanlanch joins me to talk about her
incredible life and show business after eleven and of course
you're most welcome to text anytime. This morning ninety two
ninety two.

Speaker 2 (01:23):
The Sunday Session.

Speaker 3 (01:26):
So I had quite an interesting experience this week, one
that reminded me that sometimes even the obvious needs to
be pointed out. So for a very very brief moment,
I got a taste of what it's like to have
low vision. So blind Low Vision New Zealand hosted a
breakfast during which I was given these glasses to wear,
which mimic to glaucoma, and then I was guided into

(01:48):
a cafe where I tried to read a menu. This
all required a level of concentration effort I don't often
call on. Thankfully, I was able to remove the glasses
before I drank my tea and ate my breakfast. As
I can tell you, it would have been a very
messy affair. I've had my head firmly in the disability
cam for the last few years, getting to grips with

(02:08):
the challenges neurodivergent people have fitting into a world that
isn't designed for them, so, to be honest, I was
a little bit embarrassed at how little I have thought
about how difficult life is if you're not able bodied
and an able bodied designed world. Obviously, being blind or
having low vision is exhausting. Obviously it makes everything you
do in your day that much more challenging. Obviously limits

(02:32):
your job prospects and what you can do. But it
only took about another ten minutes at home wearing my
newly acquired blog coma glasses for this to really sink in.
I just did a few basic things around the house,
so I put the washing on, which went well until
I tried to read the buttons on the washing machine.
It's something that you do every day, but you're still
also like what am I doing. I then stood on

(02:53):
the cat. I ate a carewy fruit. I was a
bit nervous about the knife, but then I couldn't find
my mouth. I filled the kettle and made a kappa,
which took longer than newsro because I couln't work out
how much water was in the kettle. And then I
stood on the clinging cat again. Then I went outside
and I tripped over my partner's gum boots, and at
this point my daughter suggested it would be safe if
I ended this experiment. It was very clear how much

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I take for granted as I rushed through life. I
treasure my independence. I don't think twice about how I'm
going to get from A to B and enjoy the
interactions I have with work colleagues and others throughout the day.
But those who are blind will have low vision deal
with huge inequities every day which take a functional, financial
and emotional toll. Fifty eight percent of disabled New Zealanders
earned thirty thousand or less a year, compared with thirty

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three percent of non disabled people and fifty one percent
of working age blind low vision New Zealand members are
without a job. Seventy four percent of youth clients have
never had a part time or summer job. We're all
impacted by the rise and cost of living, but this
community is really struggling. I passively assumed that by twenty
twenty five we'd have removed more of the barriers that

(04:00):
make the simplest of things like getting groceries difficult, but
from the conversations and stories this week, that's clearly not
the case. So as we go about our day to day,
maybe we should just pause for a second each time
we do something and imagine doing it like one of
the one hundred and eighty three thousand Kiwis who are deaf,
who are blind, deaf, blind or low vision. This month

(04:21):
is Blind Low Vision Month. If you've got a moment,
head to Blindlowvision dot org dot MZ and see the
work they do. And at the very least, next time
you pass in east scooter lying across the footpath, pick
it up and move it to the side. For Sunday session,
you can text this morning ninety two ninety two. As

(04:41):
I mentioned before, good night for the all blacks in Perth.
Last night, anstorm is going to be with us very shortly.
On the rugby it is eleven past nine. You're with
News Talks EDB keep.

Speaker 2 (04:51):
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Speaker 1 (04:54):
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Speaker 3 (05:01):
So a bit of an eye opening reality this week
when it comes to our protection or lack when it
comes to AI harm. Talking on The Little Things podcast
with my co host Louise and II this week, doctor
Michelle Dickinson told us New Zealand has no regulation in
place to protect us. What does a lack of regulation
lead to, Well, here's one example matter.

Speaker 4 (05:21):
Facebook just came out recently and said, actually, what we've
done is we have been data scraping Australia and New
Zealand citizens because you guys didn't make any regulation to
protect that. So in the EU you can opt out.
In New Zealand, we cannot. We have been using adult
Facebook and Instagram pages since two thousand and seven and

(05:41):
scraping that data and training all AI models on what
you'll look like. But also if you're holding your child
or you're posting a picture of your child and it's
not private, we've been using your children's faces and children's
images have been created from New Zealand and Australian citizens,
so we can't. You can never unlearn that.

Speaker 3 (05:56):
A group of AI experts are also calling from more
regulation in the AI space. One of the authors of
the letter is Program Director of Artificial Intelligence, doctor Andrew Linson,
and he with me. Now, good morning, Andrew, good morning.
So just how far behind is New Zealand in terms
of regulation when it comes to AI.

Speaker 5 (06:15):
We're pretty nearly the end, to be honest.

Speaker 6 (06:17):
I mean we see that Australia is trying to do things,
Canada and the US, well, the US was doing things,
and of course the EU is quite busy as well.

Speaker 5 (06:26):
So yeah, we're at the back of the pack.

Speaker 3 (06:28):
Okay, when we look at the countries that are doing something,
who's kind of leading the way? Are there examples of
countries you know that we should be looking closely at?

Speaker 6 (06:38):
Yeah, so the example most people turn to will probably
be the EU because they have their EU AI Act.
It's a very comprehensive piece of legislation and it has
its own issues or criticisms, but it's still a really
good piece to sort of start.

Speaker 5 (06:54):
Looking at as a starting point.

Speaker 6 (06:57):
And they have this quite nice risk management based approach,
which is sort of what we've advocated for in our letter,
and so I think they're a good one. And then
of course we can also look at Australia being our neighbors.
They are also are doing some some quite good stuff
as well.

Speaker 3 (07:10):
What are your concerns if we don't regulate AI.

Speaker 6 (07:14):
Yeah, I think, like Michelle said, there's there's quite specific
concerns like the run huge rays, but there's also you know,
many others. I mean, in our leader we said various
things like the misuse of intellectual property. Right, we see
all these all these deep fakes, all these images being created,
the use of.

Speaker 5 (07:30):
AI for fraud. We're sort of upheaval the workforce.

Speaker 6 (07:35):
We know that AI will replace some jobs, but how
are we going to manage that transition? As well as
even more sort of sinister things like the effect that
AI has on democracy itself.

Speaker 5 (07:45):
I mean a lot of what we're seeing happening in
the US.

Speaker 6 (07:48):
You know, there's a lot of AI lobbying in the
AI manipulation behind the scenes there from from different parties, so.

Speaker 5 (07:54):
Quite wide ranging, but quite scary. But we really can
tackle us head on if we choose to.

Speaker 3 (08:00):
We need to be clear, this isn't about not having AI,
is it. I mean AI can be really useful that
we want to be innovative here in New Zealand, But
it's about deciding and New Zealand deciding what role were
plays in our lives, isn't it.

Speaker 5 (08:13):
Yeah, that's exactly right.

Speaker 6 (08:14):
I mean we see really really cool and helpful uses
of AI. I mean I have a research project working
in the medical sector to use AI as a way
to enhance cancer treatment, and you know that's not something
we want to we want to stop. That is the
sort of thing we should be encouraging. But it's when
we think about these sort of third party interests and
as Michelle said, places like Facebook and Meta coming into

(08:37):
New Zealand and doing whatever they like because we're not
saying no. And so I think it's actually really dangerous
that the government has basically said we're not going.

Speaker 5 (08:44):
To regulate AI.

Speaker 6 (08:46):
You know, you're welcome to come here and use it
however you like, because we will get manipulated and we
will see these big players misuse it, rather than getting
to set our own course and say, hey, this is
what we as a country want to use AI for
and going from that position.

Speaker 3 (09:02):
Because if you were a Facebook or Instagram user, you
would have to probably try through very small terms and
conditions in fine print to find where it said that
they were going to scrape your public material, right. I mean,
I don't think a lot of New Zealander is probably
known that's been going on for such a long.

Speaker 7 (09:17):
Time, oh no.

Speaker 6 (09:18):
And I mean that's just one of many examples you
could find, right, And I think it's a kind of
indicative of how the hold and real to these companies,
and that people aren't going to say no, I'm not
going to use Facebook, or no I'm not going to
use Instagram, because that's your whole social network, that's how
you talk to your friends, your family, that's how you
have part of your social group in this modern world.

(09:40):
And so the fact they can sort of make these
rules and then technically we could say no and not
use them, but at the same time, I'm not going
to stop talking to my relatives overseas on Facebook, am
I very much? It's an unfair transaction.

Speaker 3 (09:55):
We mentioned sort of what other countries are doing and
things we probably need to be creating our own regulation
that's specific to New Zealand, though, don't we I mean,
it's good to look at what other people are doing,
but we probably need to be creating what's right for
us here. Is that correct?

Speaker 8 (10:09):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (10:09):
For sure?

Speaker 6 (10:10):
And I mentioned the EUAI Act as an example, but
obviously that has been designed first of all for European
market and also for the culture and sort of the
social systems of the EU. And we know in New
Zealand we obviously have quite different demographics, we have different
value systems, and we have different concerns around the use
of AI. So I would like to see us look

(10:31):
at these international examples as sort of starting points or
as almost case studies, but then make a version for
ourselves that is fit for purpose. It doesn't mean starting
from scratch. It just means, as you said, tayloring it
to our needs.

Speaker 3 (10:43):
Okay, So we want the benefits, but we want to
minimize the risks. So what kind of regulation do we need?

Speaker 6 (10:50):
Yeah, and so this is why we've been asking for
a risk based approach, where we have, for example, some
forms of aius such as state surveillance, facial tracking, you know,
those really sort of dystopian things that we say no, no, no,
those are not allow all those are banned. And then
we also have a lot of uses of AI that
are not concerning. So if people are using co pilot

(11:14):
to summarize their emails, you know, we don't really.

Speaker 5 (11:16):
Want to put red tape around that.

Speaker 6 (11:18):
But it's the sort of the stuff in the middle
where we look at things like the use of AI
and social media, or the use of AI and healthcare,
where we can potentially see some benefits or that it's
needed perhaps, but we want some more oversight as to
how that's done, and we want some more guardrails in place.
And so this is this idea of having a risk
based approach. You're saying, Okay, what's the potential harm here,

(11:40):
and based on that, how do we need to what
rules do we need to put in place to make
sure those harms are minimize and those benefits are maximized.

Speaker 3 (11:48):
Are you seeing any interest or effort from politicians when
it comes to regulating ai.

Speaker 5 (11:54):
Yes and no.

Speaker 6 (11:55):
I mean I had a couple of conversations after we
put this litter out, but it's not going anywhere particularly fast,
and we haven't really had much response from the government
of course, And so yeah.

Speaker 5 (12:08):
I'm a little bit. I'm not surprised, but I'm still disappointed.

Speaker 3 (12:12):
Visual how urgently do we need to get something done?
I mean, tech development moves very fast, and we just
generally always seem to be behind the apel, but we
are really far behind in New Zealand here. Someone just
put it in a two hard basket, do you I
think so?

Speaker 5 (12:26):
And I mean I think so.

Speaker 6 (12:28):
I think it might become a bit of an election
issue next year, but of course, even next year is
still a long time away when you think to AI,
think about AI, and I mean New Zealand is really
concerned about this too, right. I think we're doing to
last in a global study in terms of trusting AI,
and about a percent of New Zealanders want AI to
be regulated. So there's definitely a political mandate there. It's

(12:50):
just the government is for whatever reason, not wanting to
bother with it. And so I would be very interested
to hear why are they're ignoying it and why they
think it's not an issue, because as your race, you know,
there's very real concerns, not just from what you've said
with Michelle, but from when you talk to everyday people
as well.

Speaker 3 (13:07):
Absolutely, thank you so much, doctor Andrew Linsen for talking
us through that. The episode of The Little Things is
out now you can get it at iHeart. Michelle is
really interesting. Andrew mentioned there, of course the upheaval of
the workforce, and Michelle talks a lot about that. And
you know about how Singapore put an AI strategy in
place ten years ago in order to deal make sure
that you know, if you're over forty you can deal

(13:28):
with AI. But so we really are behind the eight ball.
But look, if you want to understand a little bit
better about what it is and what it does, and
also how it might affect you, how might affect your children,
what kind of heart's going to affect our jobs and things.
Michelle covers all that in the podcast The Little Things,
So I Heart reve Get your podcasts have a listen.

Speaker 2 (13:47):
Check it out this Sunday session.

Speaker 3 (13:50):
Right to Rugby Now in South Africa have claimed the
Rugby Championship overnight with the twenty nine twenty seven when
over Argentina or in London, they've just edged out the
All Blacks to the championship. The All Blacks bonus point
twenty eight to fourteen win over Australia not quite a enough,
leaving them tied with South Africa on points, but missing
out on the title due to inferior points differential. All

(14:12):
comes down to the numbers former All Black and Zidbey
Rugby analyst and Straum joins me. Now, good morning and
morning press.

Speaker 2 (14:19):
Yes, how are you very good?

Speaker 3 (14:20):
Thank you? So not perfect from the All Blacks, but
what can they take away from that when last night?

Speaker 9 (14:25):
Well, I think first and foremost is set of relief,
probably for most new Yleander, because I think we're all
a little bit worried about the per test. Obviously, with
the weather usually pretty sunny on the Western Australia, it
was going to be a pretty hard and fast sort
of game. But of course the weather came in and
then you know, it just changes the dynamic of a
whole lot of things. And look, to be honest, you know,

(14:45):
barring the relief, I think we've seen progress in the
stor Black team and went over there, you know, sixty
thousand parochial fans and those conditions we spoke about. You know,
it was a great effort really in the end, and
I mean they did control the game for most of it.

Speaker 3 (15:01):
I noticed in the city morning here and I think
it was Peter fit Simmons made the comments, Look, the
come frustrated might not have been great, but we did
have a fantastic twenty minutes in there. What is it
going to take do you think for the Wallabies to
make that eighty minutes of good play?

Speaker 9 (15:17):
Well, you know it's no secret that this team under
Joe Smith's a way better version than what we saw
at the World Cup a couple of years ago. You know,
they're always in the fight. They do have those minutes,
those twenty twenty five minutes periods of a game where
they really do dominate. But that's the challenges just to
get that eighty minute, you know, full eighty minutes out
of a team, and they just had me out to

(15:39):
do that in this season so far. But ye know,
they've got an Northern Tour coming up. They've got four
or five games i think overseas as do the All Blacks,
So another step for them to progress. But they've definitely
made improvements, but they just can't clock off for chunks
of games because they're getting bent and they're just struggling
to come back and win those games.

Speaker 3 (15:58):
So overall, what kind of rating do you give the
All Black Rugby Championship performance.

Speaker 9 (16:04):
Well, it's a really good question. I'd probably give them
somewhere close to about seven, you know, because there's a
lot of things that we have addressed during the competition
that we were struggling, and I mean, let's cast their
mind back to that here we defeating Wellington to the
South Africans. You know, that was only three weeks ago
and we've seen some vast improvements. Obviously we're not playing

(16:25):
against at that so they gonna be playing against Australia
but you've still got to improve certain areas of your game.
And there's probably five or six key parts that we
actually are progressing, but still three or four more areas
to sort of to get you to ten. You know,
there's still things that they're obviously going to have to
work on between now and the Northern Tour.

Speaker 3 (16:41):
All Right, I hate to throw a cliche at you,
but I will. But rugby has been the winner on
the day. I mean, it's been a great competition. I've
been really encouraged by the close nature of the games.

Speaker 2 (16:51):
I totally agree.

Speaker 9 (16:51):
And I mean, if you cast mind back to the
Super Rugby, I thought this Super Rugby season was the
best as well. We saw sixty points of nearly every
Super Rugby game. I think it brought the fans back.
It's been a joyab and of course that's just transferred
into this championship and historically it's a one horse, you know.
And we had four teams or three or four teams
that were really posed right at the back end, and
I mean that's what we want at international rugby level.

(17:15):
And we saw some really close matches. We saw some
teams coming past others in the last few minutes and
then you know the dominance of a couple of those
games as well. So look, I think the International games
live and well I just can't wait for the sort
of southern Hemisphere to play the Northern Hemis at the
back end of the year, just to see how we
are actually tracking.

Speaker 3 (17:32):
Well, that's the thing. Okay, So we've got a break
and then the first weekend of November the All Blacks
are going to be playing Ireland and they're going to
play Scotland Worlds and England. Are we ready? What are
you expecting?

Speaker 9 (17:42):
Well, I think the players need a break. Yeah, it's
and foremost it's been a pretty arduous campaign, this one
and obviously hard games every single week, and I mean
they'll have their rest, they'll reassess, they'll look at the squad.
They may add some new players because those these tours
at the end of the year are chance of development.
The younger ones bring a players in, so I think

(18:04):
they'll do that as well. But you know, as well,
they just keep improving. But we get from a seven
to sereon and a half up to eight. You know
we're going to be highly competitive against those four nations
you spoke about. So there's no reason why we can't
go over there and win them all. But England they're
probably the big big ticket item, aren't they, because they're
checking pretty well to play booking them as well, so

(18:25):
they'll all be challenges those matches. But I think we
keep progressing as we say, you know, there's no reason
why we couldn't have an undefeated Northern.

Speaker 3 (18:31):
Tour and look good to go into the tour worth
after winning you know, consecutive games, which is good step
at the consistency there.

Speaker 9 (18:39):
Well, it's momentum and confidence too, isn't it, because you
know this team's been dented of it this year, I
mean the one one lost one one one, you know.
And of course they've put together two performances now win
at home and away, which which must give them ammense confidence.
And we've seen some good performances from players that haven't
been in the saw Black teams for very long, Leroy Carter,
Peter lakeye you know, and there's a Pavian holland there's

(19:02):
a few others. So that's really promising the future. I
just hope they keep pulling some of these younger players
and just add a bit more, a few more layers
to our team rather than have a team.

Speaker 8 (19:13):
Of thirty five. We should have probably forty five.

Speaker 9 (19:16):
We're going to need them over the next two or
three season heading into the next will come.

Speaker 3 (19:19):
Yeah, that's so true and strawn as always, thank you
very much for your thoughts. We will no doubt catch
up in a month or so. Twenty eight past nine,
you're with News Talks.

Speaker 1 (19:28):
AB It's the Sunday session with Francesca Rudkin on Newstalks
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Speaker 3 (19:38):
Malcolm has a slightly different take on the Rugby Championship.
He text me, so it was always going to be
a long shot for the All Blacks to win the
championship this year. Their points differential sunk the team before
leading heading into the final match. If, of course Argentina
had won in the outcome would have been different. But
we can't go past the fact this All Blacks team
has been terrible, inconsistent, I think, Malcolm, I'm not sure terrible,

(20:00):
but thank you very much for your thoughts. You're most
welcome to text ninety two ninety two Right Times Talk
Local Politics now a News Talks he'd be political reporter.
Ethan Griffs is with me now. Good morning Ethan, good morning. Okay,
so more signs this week that not all as well
within t Pati Marti, do we know what's going on?

Speaker 10 (20:18):
Yeah?

Speaker 11 (20:19):
I mean they're not in good shape, are they. This
week Toy two to Tidity cut ties with the party. Now,
this is an organization that was behind the Mammoth Hikoy
to Parliament last year. Some people claim it's the biggest
march on Parliament ever. Now the group was led by
Edu Kappakini. He's come out and claimed the party has
a dictatorship model of leadership and is also ego driven.

(20:43):
Now he's just not a nobody talking here. He's the
former vice president of the party. Also the son of
one of its MP's, Madia Meno Kapakini. Now Maria and
Meno was sacked as party whip about three weeks ago.
We haven't had an explanation why Edu says the group
leaving is not because of what happened to his mum.
But I mean there's there's something clearly afoot here. This

(21:06):
this is a significant falling out. You've got toytoo Titidity leaving.
Takata feris tripling down on his highly questionable some might
say racist posts Maddy A. Menno being sacked as were
You know, that's a lot for a party that has
just six MP's.

Speaker 3 (21:23):
Did you have a very good point that where he
said we should actually be separating out our activists to
those who are working to those who are politicians working
within the parliamentary system.

Speaker 11 (21:33):
Is yeah, I mean yeah, I mean that that makes
sense to an extent. I mean, of course New Zealand's
political system is a long history of activists being involved,
but it doesn't always end well and you've sort of
got competing priorities there. But coming out of this, I
mean there's two really big questions right The first is
what happens next Now parliament's back next week, of course,

(21:56):
or any kaipitter who had the mammoth win in Tamacki Mikoto,
she's going to be sworn in. All the attention is
going to be off her and on what's going on
in the party. And then they claim they're announcing a
reset at Parliament on Thursday after Kyperer's made in speech.
What that looks like, We've got no idea, but it's
certainly going to be something to watch. And then the

(22:18):
next question, of course is how Labor responds on current
polling they need the Marty Party. What's the party going
to look like in a year's time? Are they ready
for government? Chris Hopkins says no, but he might have
no choice.

Speaker 3 (22:30):
As you mentioned, the House is returning for a three
week sitting block after spending two weeks in recess. Is
there anything else exciting on the cards even.

Speaker 11 (22:38):
Yeah, yeah, we're getting back into the business end of
the year now back for three weeks sitting block after
a two week recess. That was the last two week
recess of the year, so things will start to get
quite busy. Of course, expect that big focus on to
party Marty as already Kiper has sworn in. The Greens
also have a new MP, Mike Davidson, who comes in

(22:59):
to replace Benjamin Doyle. He'll be sworn in this week too,
and Whinston Peters will be facing the press pack for
the first time since he arrived back from.

Speaker 12 (23:08):
The un in New York.

Speaker 11 (23:10):
So expect some questions on Palestinian statehood, especially now that
peace could be on the horizon. As we've learned in
the last twenty four.

Speaker 3 (23:17):
Hours really quickly we had the energy reforms, and in
the lead up to the energy reform announcement, Shane Jones
was talking around all sorts of ideas like the renationalization
of the Gen Taylors and some other more reasonable ideas.
We got the Energy announcement didn't turn out to be
very exciting, but the Energy Minister called his ideas bumper

(23:38):
stick of politics and he's gone quiet. What's going on there?

Speaker 2 (23:41):
Yeah?

Speaker 11 (23:42):
Yeah, this is really unusual. As I'm sure most people know,
Shane Jones is one of those MP's that always has
lots to say, so for him to be saying nothing
is quite interesting. Now, as you say, he's gone to ground.

Speaker 1 (23:56):
Now.

Speaker 11 (23:57):
The Energy Minister made those comments, I think, referring to
the ideas generally, perhaps without recognition of course, that his
associate minister, essentially his deputy, had been advocating for those
changes himself. Now whether Shane Jones is supportive of these
charges remains to be seen. You'd have to think probably not.

(24:17):
But next week he'll be back at Parliament and we'll
finally have the chance to ask some questions of him
and hopefully he'll have something to say.

Speaker 3 (24:24):
Ethan lovely to chat to you. Thank you so much
for your time this morning. Appreciate it, don't forget that
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Tomorrow, our boal cancer screening age drops from sixty to
fifty eight for those in Northland, Auckland and the South
Island to the rest of the country to follow in
March next year. The government has also announced a new
nationwide launch of fit tests, which is an at home
test for those with symptoms to check for traces of blood.
But does any of this go far enough? We have
seen in the news a large increase in those under

(25:04):
fifty being diagnosed with bell cancer and age group completely
missed with a screening age of fifty eight. So to
discuss this, leading colorrect or surgeon Frank Frazel joins me. Now,
good morning, Frank, thanks so much for your time.

Speaker 8 (25:16):
Thanks very much for talking.

Speaker 3 (25:18):
So as I said, the free bow screening age is
going to be loud from sixty to fifty eight. It's
a move that the Health Minister, Simeon Brown says is
a significant step towards aligning our screening age with Australia,
which seems like a bizarre thing to say. It is
nowhere near Australia's screening ages. A drop of two years
doesn't seem significant and doesn't really put us close to

(25:40):
Australia at all.

Speaker 2 (25:41):
No, it doesn't.

Speaker 8 (25:42):
Know, it is very much an overstated claim by the minister.
But as you realize, politicians tend to be a bit
prone to hypetrophy.

Speaker 3 (25:53):
Which probably let people know that in Australia people aged
forty five to forty nine can request their first Bowl
cancer screening kit. So quite a difference there. Why can't
we lower the screening age around the country all at once,
Why do we have to do it in bits and pieces.

Speaker 8 (26:09):
Well, according to the Minister's previous comments and Ministry's comments,
that relates to capacity for klonoscopy. Now, if we look
at this, the Master said this will increase one hundred
and twenty five thousand people will now be eligible. Now
we know from previous work with the present screening age
that that means roughly half that number might take it up.

(26:32):
The others either not interested or they're already having klonoscopies. Well,
for whatever reason, they don't want to participate so that's
roughly sixty odd thousand people now with about a five
percent chance of needing a colonoscity. That relates to about
three thousand kronoscopies that need to be done, and given
that a third of people ensured, that really falls on

(26:55):
the government to provide about two thousand colonoscopies. Now New
Zealand does about sixty five thousand colonoscopies in the public
sectory year, so it's not a substantial increase. However, the
people who tend to drive this from the ministry side
are very conservative, very cautious, and very risk averse. So

(27:16):
given the recent funding for about an other than ten
eleven thousand kolnoscopies the government is put through, there's more
than enough capacity to expand it, but it's all the
infrastructure about getting stuff out. So the government is walking
very cautiously in this line because it's worried that it's
about its resources to be able to deliver. But to

(27:38):
me it doesn't seem to match up. We do have
enough to do this. There is twenty thousand people as
you're here, repeatedly waiting for colonoscopy. But when you're doing
sixty five thousand a year, there's always going to be
a proportion of people waiting, and those people are waiting.
The problem lies in smaller, small pockets around the country
that haven't been able to keep up, such as Southland

(27:59):
and Northland, and they're smaller populations and they have inadequate
They need some assists to get their columns to be
waiting lists. But there needs to be a waiting list
to a point, so that could that drives the ability
to fill the lists and to fill the time. Otherwise,
if you are bus pulled up and there was no

(28:20):
one waiting, that seems pointless. So there needs to be
a number of people waiting. But twenty thousand probably a
bit long, and probably fifteen thousands about where we need
to be, but more the distribution of that. So we
do need more people. We do need to drive the
age down. This is the first step. It just depends
how fast the government actually lives up to its promise

(28:43):
to match Australia.

Speaker 3 (28:45):
Talk me through this fit test. Is this going to
help and how will it help?

Speaker 8 (28:50):
It probably won't make anywhere near as much difference as
the government's hoping. What it does is a poo test,
which tells that you've got blood in the poo, and
then it gives a number to the amount of blood
that's in the poop. And if you've got a lot
of blood in the poo that you can't see, then
you will be prioritized to have an early chronoscopy. If

(29:12):
you've only got a little bit of blood, then you'll
will be less of a priority. Now, the issue is
that some patients will be returned to the GP. But
this is not the same as screening screening of people
have no symptoms and you're looking for blood indicates your
shit have a chronoscopy. These are people who've got symptoms already.

(29:33):
So sending someone back to the GP with symptoms and
saying well, you have no blood that we can measure
it doesn't actually resolve the symptoms. And so I'm not
sure that this is going to be an answer to
the workload issue. There will be some patients will be
just reassured that there's no the likelihood of cancer is

(29:56):
low and get on with in the GP of about
manager symptoms, but a lot of people will still need
to be seen assessed in colomosty. We've not just done
to rule out cancer, done for lots of other diseases
where we're assessing and managing and therefore it's a little
bit of a extravagant comment that will reduce Colonnobster piece

(30:18):
by thirty percent because.

Speaker 3 (30:19):
I thought the test was really useful people who didn't
actually have symptoms. But you might just you know, you
might be testing yourself every two years because we know
that balcancer can come, you know, can be very quick,
and it's like it's like a really good backup that
you can do at home to check that nothing's changed.

Speaker 8 (30:35):
Yes, without doubt that the identification of some of blood
and you're still in patients with no symptoms is a
very good screening test at the first step. But it's
difficulty is once you've got symptoms, it holds the priority
and it means you've still got If you tune up
to the GP and say you've got a change in

(30:56):
your bowel habit and they test is done and it
says well there's no blood, it still doesn't make your
change in bell habit go away and you still need
management for that. Or so the issue is the role
of where the colonost be fit into that, where the
GP can manage it, and what happens from there.

Speaker 3 (31:14):
Frank, how do we build our colonoscopy capacity.

Speaker 8 (31:18):
Well, it's a combination of We need staff basically to
do conoscoped and as you might remember that in the past,
I've talked about increasing that of gaston drologists, gastrondrologists, physicians
that do colnostaby. Surgeons do by far away in a
most smaller populations, such as the areas that are not

(31:43):
been that have issues waiting lists do far and away
the most colonoscopies in those areas, so we need to
also build a surgical capacity for colonoscopy. There has been
a move in small places, in some places to have
nurse connoscopies as well. Why Cato has a very well
established program there with a nurse, But it's basically staffing
and trying to attract staff to deliver. One of the

(32:06):
things the government's done and are quite appropriately dealing with
this waiting list issue has been to outsource, which means
they don't have to provide infrastructure. They're only providing for
the process the actual cost of doingal colonosoty. But it's
like many things in house, it's about what you get
for your dollar. It's about how much money you can

(32:26):
put into.

Speaker 3 (32:27):
It, Frank, we're also seeing an increase in bow cancer
in younger people, which makes me think that we really
need to be getting this screening age down fast, with
a little bit more urgency than what we're seeing. Is
it a concern to you that we're sort of seeing
more young people.

Speaker 8 (32:42):
Yes, we're seeing quite a dramatic increase in young people
with bow cancer, and it's increasing quite dramatically over the
whole country. Bow cancer is actually decreasing, largely due to
things like screening and people having colonlostviedes for early symptoms.

Speaker 2 (32:56):
But the.

Speaker 8 (32:58):
Real concern is this area of young people, and it's
not just that they're increasing, but they're actually finding it
quite hard to get into the system them because the
system set up for older people with bow cancer. So
when someone who's forty turns up with rectal bleeding or
change in bey habit, they don't necessarily get engaged. The
public system doesn't necessarily engage with them, and they often

(33:21):
get declined to be reviewed. And that's where the issue
about trying to get young people, trying to get the
symptom awareness in people. But we know a third of
young people under fifty, you turn up with bow cancer,
have incurable disease with one the diagnosed, and that's different
from older people. And because of that symptom awareness will

(33:44):
and making people aware that they should do something about
it and getting adjusting the system to deal with that
is not enough that we really young people will benefit
from much more by having screening age drop down then
more than any other group.

Speaker 3 (33:59):
Oh look, thank you so much, doctor Frank Frazel there
for talking us through these new bowl cancer screening ages.
Honestly often from sixty to fifty eight. And as I said,
in Australia, people from forty five to forty nine can
request their first balkansa screen kit. So this is going
somewhere to making us kind of equal to Australia. We
got a long way to go. In Texas ninety two

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ninety two, it's eleven to ten.

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the Mary party here in Flabbel former co leaders with
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He seems like a very affable, likable sort of bloke,
very articulate.

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Yeah, that's a good summary of them.

Speaker 14 (34:38):
Okay, So is he trouble or is he going there's
something fundamentally wrong with the Marory Party.

Speaker 8 (34:42):
And the statement that these natives politicians need to stop
being activists and activists need to stop being politicians, which
I think is a fair call.

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Is the dictatorship thing.

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The thing is that your observation that they got a
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Speaker 12 (34:53):
I sort of haven't been involved too much with the.

Speaker 8 (34:56):
Party at that level since I left, but on the
face of it, you'd say there's a few things going on.

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It's the Sunday Session with Francesca Rudkin and Wiggles. For
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This is new music from indie folk artist Mel Parsons.
It's called Don't Leave the Light On. She's got a
new coming, a new album coming out next year in
twenty twenty six. Love Mel Parsons. What I love about
mel is she writes these beautiful, often quite melancholic kind
of songs and things. When you meet her in person,
she is the bubbliest, happiest, loveliest person you ever made.

(36:00):
Two quite different personalities there. Thank you very much for
your texts and is a very astute man. But I
disagree this is about the Rugby. Disagree about us winning
the Grand Slam. We are bound to loose to England
or Island at the end of an exhausting year. Hey,
look he did say that there was a possible There
was that possibility as well. Ah, just trying to put
a positive trying to put out some good vibes. And

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other text here reads I understand there is a principle
in health that you should never screen unless you have
the capacity to treat. That is why it is a
progressive rollout, because we don't have that capacity. Thank you
very much, Ross. And another text here, Hello Fanchisa. I
love your show on the beautiful way you speak. But
one thing that bugs me, and I don't know why
someone hasn't told you, but when you say something, it's
taken you back. It's not correct, it's taken aback and

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you are absolutely right, and I know that, and it's
a very bad habit. I have thank you for pointing
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on ninety two ninety two very quickly. Fat Bear Week update.
We spoke about this last week. Chunk is the winner
of receive the most votes in the competition this year

(37:03):
to become the Fat Bear Week twenty twenty five winner
over five one hundred calograms. Been runner up the last
few years, but finally made it to number one, and
I think the reason why was that Chunk actually turned
up at the river this year with a broken jaw,
broke the drawer in June, so of course that made
kind of you know, tearing the flesh off these salmon
quite difficult, but he adapted and learned different ways to

(37:27):
do it, and people were very admired the resilience that
Chunk showed. And Chunk put on a bit of weight,
which is all good. So congratulations to Chunk. It is
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Up next, author of Thursday Murder Club and We Solved
Murder book series. Richard Osmond is with me. He's super
busy these days. There's obviously the new Thursday Murder Club book.
There's plenty to come in regards to We Solve Murders.
Look this even the suggestion of a play. We're going
to get the lowdown on how the Osmond Empire is expanding.

(38:12):
And his thoughts on the Netflix film as well, which
may intrigue you. He has a little bit of Lord
who I think the Australians claimed as their own overnight. Anyway,
Steve will for listen in Entertainment next out. How appalling
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Speaker 1 (38:54):
Welcome to the Sunday Session with fran Jessica Rudkin and
Wiggles for the best selection of great reads used talks.

Speaker 3 (39:09):
Good to have you with us. It is seven past ten.
The Thursday Murder Club book series has been wildly successful
all around the world. It's so popular it now has
a Netflix adaptation starring Pierce Brosnan and Helen Mirren. For
those unfamiliar, the books focus on a group of retirement
village residents who investigate unsolved murders. The man behind the
books is British TV personality and author Richard Osman. Richard

(39:31):
has just released the fifth Thursday Murder Club book, The
Impossible Fortune, and he joins me now from the UK. Richard,
good morning, Thank you so much for your time.

Speaker 12 (39:41):
It's a pleasure, Francesca, love you to talk to you.

Speaker 3 (39:44):
We spoke last year and you released We Solved Murders.
Of course you took a little bit of a break
from a Thursday Murder Club. But has it been great
to return to the rest home in those characters.

Speaker 12 (39:56):
Yeah, it really has. Actually, from the sort of first
moment where I sat down again and wrote my first chapter,
I thought, ah, I've missed you all. So yeah, it's
been a real tree and I hope it's going to
be a treat for readers as well. They are definitely
on form, the four of them, I'll say that for them.

Speaker 3 (40:13):
They certainly are. This is your fifth novel. Do you
find that the writing is getting easier? I mean it
might have always been easy.

Speaker 12 (40:22):
No, it's always been difficult and it remains difficult. I remember,
like when I started out and I talked to novelists.
You'd written thirty books, and I said, at what point
does it get easier, and they all said to me,
it never gets easier, and I'm still going to yeah,
but come on, it must do, but no, it never does.
I think it's a bit like you know when you
go to the gym and you think, well, at some
point this is going to be easier because I'm going
to be stronger. But the point is, the next time

(40:44):
you go to the gym, you do more reps or
at a higher weight, so it remains as difficult every
single time you go there, because otherwise there's no point
going to the gym. So it's like that. Really, it's
the more you know about writing, I guess, the more
you push yourself, and so every single time is like
the first time. And I'm very lucky I have characters
in both my series who entertain me and who make

(41:05):
me laughing, like spending time with because it is it is. Yeah,
it's always difficult, but I hope at the end it
looks and feels effortless.

Speaker 3 (41:14):
But you're right, the characters are on fire, and I
think this is I think each book gets better and better,
but I wonder if that's because you are more familiar
with the characters. You do know them well, you know
what's you know.

Speaker 12 (41:29):
Yeah, I hope so, and certainly I know that readers
do as well, And just just like friendships or anything
like that, the more we get to know people, the
more fun there is to be had, and you get
that kind of depth of friendship and nostalgia and all
of those things. So for me, I get to explore
these characters in more detailed each time their relationship with
each other blooms and blossoms. I try and make things

(41:50):
change in their life, so we see how they react
to new things and new circumstance and new situation, and yeah,
I just whatever I throw at them. Still at the
end of a chapter, they've made me cry, they made
me laugh, and it's They're a joy to write. And
I really really hope that across in the reading.

Speaker 3 (42:08):
I'm very impressed with what you manage to fit into
your life. When it comes to work. You've obviously got
the books, you still do TV, You've got the podcast.
The rest is entertainment is writing the priority. How do
you make it all work?

Speaker 2 (42:22):
God?

Speaker 12 (42:22):
Yeah, right, I mean writing takes that almost all my life.
I mean TV is a funny one, but the only
show I do is House at Games And you know,
those are half hour episodes and we shoot five a day,
so actually I sort of you know, that's maybe a
month of my time. So on TV it kind of
exists over a long period of time. But in my
actual work schedule that's not too bad. The podcast we

(42:46):
do on a Monday morning, so that's done by midday,
and literally the rest of my time is writing. And
that's how I like it. It's the thing I think
I'm best at. It's the thing I love the most.
It's the thing that represents my heart and my brain
the most. So yeah, almost all my life is writing.
Just that other stuff feels very visible, but actually it
doesn't take a huge amount of time. It's not that's

(43:08):
not like an office job.

Speaker 3 (43:09):
So you've told me it's quite hard, but you love it.
So are you really good then at sitting down and
getting on with it?

Speaker 12 (43:18):
Oh my god, I'm so bad at sitting down and
not getting on with it. I will literally do anything.
I would do anything to not work. You know, I'll
take the bins out. I'd be like, does someone need
to deeply the cat? Let me do that. I'll do
if we need a need milk I want, if we
need more milk. No, I'll pop out again. It's absolutely fine.
I would do anything until the point where I go, okay,

(43:39):
I'm going upstairs, because I know that when I do
go upstairs, I turn the computer on, I turn my
brain on, and that's me for you know, two hours
or however long I want to be up there, and
that's me with my characters. And there's no Internet, there's
no WhatsApp or you know, Instagram or anything like that.
I just sit and write. But oh my god, like anyone,
I guess, I would do anything. I would do anything

(44:01):
to stop that moment where I first have to start working.

Speaker 3 (44:05):
The film, of course, released on Netflix at the end
of August. Finally, we're all so much looking forward to it.
What did you think of it?

Speaker 12 (44:14):
Well, for me, it was sort of slightly unalloyed pleasure
because I didn't really have anything to do with it.
You know, I got to sign off the rights to
somebody else. The books are my thing. So I've done
the Thursday Murder Club. It's there, you know, it's all
there in print, and I'll be there in one hundred
years time, and I'm very happy, you know. That's my
that's my version of the story. So for me, I

(44:35):
just got this incredible sort of I just got to
go along and play every now and again and go
and meet these amazing actors, and you know, I've got
to go to a premiere. But it's like I've likened
it to the books of my children, and this film
is like a grandchild, which is I get all the
kind of fun bits of it, but I don't have
to do any of the work, and I get to
give it back at the end of the day. So yeah,

(44:57):
for me, it's been great. I knew at the beginning
I was just going to hand it over and let
somebody else do it, because there's no point me telling
the story again. I've done it. I'm proud of my you.
I've done it. It's there, So yeah, I just let
other people do it. And you know, I've got to
go down to set and meet Steven Spielberg and there's
Helen Mirror and Ben Kingsley and Pierce Prosna and that

(45:17):
was an enormous amount of fun. So yeah, it's it's
a weird, sort of otherworldly thing, the film, but it's
been an enormous hit and that's nice, and you know,
it brings new people to the books, and that's the
that's the main thing for me.

Speaker 3 (45:30):
I was quite interested because when I picked up this
book and I started reading the new book, The Impossible
Fortune I had, I was quite surprised. I had all
the actors in my head sang the lines like every
time Elizabeth has a cracker of a line, I'm like,
I can see Helen Mirran delivering that. And I wondered,
whether you mind that they've been taken over in my

(45:53):
mind by these.

Speaker 12 (45:55):
People, because everybody has their own version, or anyone who
has a visual imagination has their own version of those
characters in their heads anyway, which is why when the
film comes out and I was like, oh, that's exactly
what I thought. That's not what I thought. Whereas I
don't really I have the vibes of the characters. I
sort of know who they are, and I'm not really
interested in what they look like, if that makes sense.

(46:15):
I have a sort of rough form in my head.
But no, right from the start, I never there's one
bit in the book where I thought, I just I'm
just going to have to reference the film a bit. Yeah,
there's a scene that starts with Ron and Ibrahim and
they're just having a chat and they chat about who
the best ever changed bond is, and Ron is unequivocal

(46:35):
that the best change bond is Piers Bossman. And I
told Piers that and he loved it. He was so happy.
But other than that, no, I just I know who
those characters are. I know exactly who they are, and
so for me, I can you know I'm writing about Ibrahim,
and I can say to Ibrahim, you know you're being
played by Samone Kingsley. What do you think about that?

Speaker 8 (46:54):
Yeah?

Speaker 12 (46:55):
That makes sense to me. So yeah, I'm able to
divorce the two, which is great.

Speaker 3 (47:00):
You write the first box worth no adaptation rights in place,
but this one you have written knowing that this movie
was coming in that more may follow and most likely
will follow. Does that make any difference?

Speaker 12 (47:13):
No, No, I'm literally nothing makes any difference to me
other than readers. That's the only thing I ever think about.
I'm trying to entertain myself. I'm trying to entertain readers.
I'm trying to make a reader turn the page. You know,
books are books are books. I've worked in TV. I
know how that all works, and this is the I'm
writing books to be read and nothing else at all.

(47:36):
I'm writing books so that I want to make you laugh,
I want to make you cry. I want to give
you a murder that you try and solve in your head.
And I just want you to turn the page. But
I want you to inhabit the world of the book.
That's my only job. And the films, all of that stuff,
it's all that's all icing on a cake, you know,
And I'm interested in the cake. Now that that's a

(47:56):
terrible analogy.

Speaker 3 (47:58):
No, titally, totally. And of course quite a few people
have read these books. I mean they've been published in
forty three countries. It's got this lovely sort of British
sensibility about it. I mean obviously here in New Zealand
we're going to relate to that. But are you a
little bit surprised at the global succeeds of these books?

Speaker 12 (48:18):
Genuinely shocked because, as you say, they are so British,
And yeah, there are territories where you know, we share
a sensibility. So we love New Zealand humor. New Zealand
loves British humor, America and the UK. You know, there
are countries where you feel it's going to resonate but no,
then you go to Brazil and Japan and China and India,
and people are loving the humor and love it. You know,
they're saying, loving the idea of the older people as heroes,

(48:41):
and yeah, that's been a big surprise. But I guess
if I if I read a Brazilian book, I want
this to be unbelievably Brazilian. I want to learn about
what it is to be Brazilian, what it is to
live a daily life, you know, in Rea de Genio
or something. And I guess if you want to know
what it's like to be in modern Britain, these these
these are good books to read. There's all sorts of references,

(49:04):
but that, honestly, to me, is so lovely. It's just
what a joy to recognize that everyone around the world
is the same and we laugh at the same things
and we like the same things in our characters.

Speaker 2 (49:16):
You know.

Speaker 12 (49:16):
That's that's such a that's a real treat for me
as an author. But it also means I get to
go around the world as well. And I haven't yet
been to New Zealand, and that's the next place I'm
desperate to go to.

Speaker 3 (49:29):
I'm glad you got there. Then because there's known, really
I I did.

Speaker 12 (49:36):
We love New Zealander. All we watch is like New
Zealand Highway Patrol and in New Zealand Border Patrol and
stuff like that. I know we've sent you.

Speaker 3 (49:44):
To ex speak when you get here.

Speaker 12 (49:45):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. I'm very familiar. I'm as
familiar with New Zealand as I am with Manhattan because
I've seen it on screen so many times.

Speaker 3 (49:55):
Just going back to the books being published around the world,
I was, I love the way though in China there
was a lot of footnotes were required to explain the Britishness.

Speaker 12 (50:05):
Oh, I mean the the Chinese books are about twice
the length of any other translation. My daughter reads Mandarin,
so I say, why these books so long? As she said,
every single time you mentioned like Nigella Lawson or you know,
escapes to the country, any like little TV show, or
any shop or any supermarket, they have a footnote and
they tell you exactly what that is. So it's just

(50:25):
it's endless footnotes, which I find I find absolutely fascinating.
I love that the Chinese are Thursday Murder Club completists
and they need to understand every reference you know, on
every single chapter.

Speaker 3 (50:39):
I was very excited to read that you're writing a
Thursday Murder club play and it is based off the books?

Speaker 2 (50:48):
Is it?

Speaker 3 (50:48):
Is it based off the Boox?

Speaker 12 (50:50):
No, it's not. It's an entirely new story, which is
why I wanted to do it, because I had an
idea that would only work as a play, and I thought, listen,
I don't have enough work on I will do this.
I think it's going to be great. I'm writing it
with this guy, have you guys over it? In the Island?

Speaker 3 (51:09):
Adorable?

Speaker 12 (51:10):
An incredible film and gorgeous Tomas and who's in that?
Who wrote that? He's writing this play with me. He's
so funny And anyone listening who has not seen The
Ballad of Wallace Island, that's a proper treat, right, It's
so funny and so moving. So yeah, I get to
write this lovely stage play, as I say, with a
story that would only work in a theater, which is
which is a huge amount of fun. But I'm going

(51:34):
to say, Francesca, we're quite behind with that.

Speaker 2 (51:36):
At the moment.

Speaker 3 (51:37):
That's okay. I'll let you off the hog.

Speaker 12 (51:39):
Although we have not met our deadline.

Speaker 3 (51:41):
No, that's okay. Although I really did love the new
series We Solved Murders, which you got underway last year,
which I'm kind of thingling, you know.

Speaker 2 (51:50):
Another book.

Speaker 12 (51:51):
I'm literally that, that's what I'm writing at the moment
I was, you know what I was about to say,
I'm in the middle of that at the moment. I
wish I was in the middle of it. I'm right
at the beginning of that at the moment, and we're
adapting that for Netflix, and funnily enough, I am. I'm
helping with the adaptation of that one for Netflix, just
just so I can experience things in a slightly different way.

(52:12):
That's a lovely book to write, so it's a more
traditional detective agency and again I've got characters who are
warm and funny, so it feels like it's in the
same world as Thursday Murder Club, but it's a bit
more global. You know, we go around the world in
that one, and we're on private jets, so it's you
know that the small British humor multiplied by the you know,
the kind of glamour of traveling around the world and

(52:34):
private islands and private jets and things. So it's that's
it's lovely to have both of these books on the
go at the same time.

Speaker 3 (52:41):
I'm sure that they would require a bit of research. Richard, Well,
do you know what. I don't like doing research? That's
the thing I like writing. So everything is it's always
set where I've just been, so I never to go, okay,
I need to. So in the first book, we've just
been on holiday to Saint Lucia, and I've been to
Ireland a lot of times, and I have been to Dubai,
and so that's that's where it is set. So they globetrop,

(53:04):
they globtop to places that I've already been. If I
had any sort of sense about me, I would literally
be able to write off all my holidays for tacks.
But I just that's not how I work. Unfortunately, I
go upstairs and think what do I actually know about?

Speaker 12 (53:16):
Where can I set something? So I don't have to
look something up on the internet, And I just do that.
That's why so far there hasn't been a resolved murder
scene in New Zealand. But the second I go to
New Zealand there will.

Speaker 3 (53:27):
Be brilliant Richard, You're so good at writing crime, but
do you think you'll stray from measured any point write
something completely different.

Speaker 12 (53:35):
Not for a while, because I love it, and you know,
I love reading it and I love doing series, you know,
because characters are the thing that interests me really, you know,
that's that's the thing that I love. And crime gives
you such a great hammuck to place your characters in.
But you know, one day, you know, if as I,
you know, travel into my sixties and seventies, you know,
I definitely want to write something different. At some point,

(53:57):
I'll write something different, you know.

Speaker 2 (53:59):
I love.

Speaker 12 (53:59):
I love the idea of writing something a bit more
in a different time, something places where I've been alive,
you know, seventies, eighties, So you know, I love the
idea and moving between different eras. At the moment, I'm
going to write crime because I love it and I've
got these characters who have an awful lot more to
say to me. But yeah, I think so. I'd love
to sort of show a different side in myself at

(54:21):
some point. But do not panic fans of We Solve
Murders and Thursday Murder Club. It will not be for
a long time.

Speaker 3 (54:28):
Richard Osmond, thank you so much for your time, Thank
you so much for the new book and best of
luck with We Solve Murders. Can't wait?

Speaker 2 (54:35):
Ah?

Speaker 8 (54:35):
Thanks?

Speaker 3 (54:36):
That was Thursday Murder Club book The Impossible Oh that
Thursday Murder Club book The Impossible Fortune is in stores now.
And don't forget that. Susan just with me after eleven
to talk about her incredible career in show business. So
looking forward to that. It is twenty two past ten.

Speaker 2 (54:53):
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Speaker 2 (55:50):
For The Sunday session.

Speaker 3 (56:06):
Is the Fate of a Felure. It is off the
brand new Taylor Swift album The Life of a Show Goal,
which everybody's talking about.

Speaker 2 (56:13):
Look.

Speaker 3 (56:13):
I like Taylor Swift. I really respect what she has achieved.
I like the album's reputation and read and folklore, the
ones that kind of broadened her range and you know,
had a bit of spunk to them. This is pleasantly
perfect pop is the way I would probably sum it up.
Steve Newell, our entertainment contributor, is Worth us now editor
at flex dot co dot in ze, good morning.

Speaker 16 (56:34):
Good morning, pleasantly pop.

Speaker 3 (56:35):
Is that is that fair enough?

Speaker 11 (56:38):
She promised?

Speaker 16 (56:39):
She promised bangers, Yeah, and I'm not sure that the
response has matched that. Reteaming with super producer Max Martin,
whose RESPONSI for many bangers in his career. But yeah,
the response has been a bit tempered. Look, I've got
only heard about twenty seconds of this album, and that's
when I was waiting for the lift at Events Cinema's

(57:00):
Queen Street after seeing one battle after another again, and
I could hear it coming out of a cinema door.
I'll explain why in a second. But let's just focus
on the good things for Taylor Swift, you know, Let's
focus on the positive things about her difficult life. Her
twelfth album has already broken a bunch of records. It's
broken the record for most streamed album in a single
day so far in twenty five on Spotify, it has

(57:25):
the fate of Afeel, has become the most streamed song
on a single day and Spotify history. These are all
unsurprising things. What has surprised me a little bit has
been the response to it, and also the focus on
the song Actually Romantic, which seems to be a dis
track aimed at Charlie xy X. Apparently It's sixteen months
ago had the fantastic song Sympathy as a Knife on

(57:46):
her album Brat, which talked about her insecurity in the
face of someone that seemed like Taylor Swift. Well, Taylor
Swift has taken that as an insult. She's writ written
a song that people have been describing as embarrassing or,
in the case of the Guardians, say misses the point
and underscores her tedious obsession with conflict. I think this
might be a bit of a scramble to find enough

(58:06):
material for a record, or enthusiasm to make a record
from Swift Hair coming off the back of a global
dominating tour. Maybe this is a bit of a catalog.

Speaker 5 (58:17):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (58:17):
Look this Father Figure as well, which people are saying
is a dis track against Olivia Rodrigue, who knows it
really annoys me and I mean she has set this up,
of course, but I kind of get a bit frustrated.
There is this rush whenever she puts an album out
to identify which lover she's talking about, which colleague or
friend or like, you know, everything immediately we sort of
try and identify it. I just suggest maybe you just
didn't either enjoy the enjoy the music and not look

(58:40):
for the drama.

Speaker 16 (58:41):
An interesting video surface with Resurface Yesterday from the week
of Bratt's release by chwi xx. Well, she explains these
songs and talks about how the pop industry pits women
against each other. They all have to be each other's friends,
yet they're all treated as rivals. And some days they
feel great, some days they feel terrible. It's a really
weird environment. But this feels like this Taylor Swift song

(59:03):
just completely underscores that whole point. And it's just odd
to dredge something up and make out that someone's It's
basically something says someone's obsessed with me. But I'm writing
it about something that happened sixteen months ago.

Speaker 3 (59:17):
Well, I wonder if anyone saw the movie. Of course,
that came with a movie as well, the Taylor Swift album,
which has been I imagine keeping our cinema's chock a
block over the last couple of days.

Speaker 16 (59:30):
It will be the number one film at the box
office this weekend. It is in the US, but I'd
possibly put movie in inverted quotes. As the Hollywood Reporter
describes it, an eighty nine minute cinematic experience, neither visual
album nor concert film, and not quite a documentary as
strictly for the diehards. It plays her music video twice.
It has some behind the scenes but some pieces. It

(59:51):
also has a lot of lyric videos if you're familiar
with those from YouTube. It's basically the lyrics come on
the screen and there's just some static or looped visuals.
This is not a film. Nevertheless, it's destroyed the new
Duayne Johnson film The Smashing Machine at the US box office.

Speaker 3 (01:00:03):
And we need to move on to that. Look, if
you've seen the film and she explained what actually romantics
all about, text me ninety two ninety two will fill
the people in. Let's quickly, we just got a minute.
Tell me what you think about Dwaane Johnson's The Smashing
Machine underwhelming.

Speaker 16 (01:00:17):
But before we go, I do also want to mention
that New Zealand artist Lord has joined the International Music
Boycott of Israel. After announcing a free Effing Palestine on
stage in New York a few days ago while the
stage was bathed in red, white and green lights. She's
joined the no Music for Genocide campaign. This is mirroring
the campaigns against South Africa and the apartheid era. Over

(01:00:38):
a thousand artists including Buyork, Japanese Breakfast, Kneecap, Massive Attack, Mogwai, Paramore,
and Primal Scream have joined it. It's basically are they
not streaming their music within the country of Israel until
the prison genocide stops?

Speaker 3 (01:00:50):
Okay, I do love the fact that your review for
The Smashing Machine it was just underwhelming. I think that's
brilliant and I think you're probably go onto something there.
It is twenty eight to eleven.

Speaker 16 (01:01:01):
One last point. The Jurisalem post had the last laugh
about Lord with a headline that says Australian singer joins
BDS again.

Speaker 3 (01:01:08):
Boy gotten issue with that obviously. Thank you so much.

Speaker 15 (01:01:11):
Stan.

Speaker 16 (01:01:11):
That's how you get a key week.

Speaker 3 (01:01:12):
I'll catch up with you next week. Twenty eight to eleven.

Speaker 1 (01:01:21):
It's the Sunday session with Francesca Rudkin on News Talks at.

Speaker 3 (01:01:25):
B joining me now with her science study of the week,
Doctor Michelle Dickinson, Good morning, Good morning.

Speaker 5 (01:01:33):
Now.

Speaker 3 (01:01:33):
This is really interesting. I mean it's a bit of
a bit of sweet scientific story, this one because we
have a patient, a forty one year old man eleven
with HIV who's continuously tested positive the COVID nineteen for
twenty six months, which personally, I imagine for him has
been pretty tough, but he has been able to provide
researchers and scientists with just this fascinating opportunity to see

(01:01:58):
what COVID does in a human body, how it evolves totally.

Speaker 4 (01:02:03):
And look, you know, anybody who's been sick with the
flu or COVID or the cold, and you're out for
a week or even two, you're like, oh, there's like eternity, right,
And fifty days this man tested positive for COVID nineteen
and that's unusual because he did have HIV which was
not well managed, which meant he was immune compromised. And
so if you go back, and I know people might

(01:02:23):
not want to talk about COVID again, but if you
go back to the time when we were under a pandemic,
there were many variants of COVID that we were exposed to.
We started with the alpha, we went to delta, we
went to omicrum and you most people don't understand what
that meant, but what it meant is the virus changed
to Basically, usually viruses try and change to be better,
to survive, better, to transmit, better, to achieve what they

(01:02:46):
want to achieve, which is to replicate more in people's bodies.
And the question is how do they do that? Because
if we're ever going to experience and I think we
will another pandemic. Understanding how the virus changes and how
to stop that is going to be how we prevent this.
So this poor man had the COVID for seven and

(01:03:06):
fifty days, but during that time, actually scientists were able
to take eight different specimens collected from him and run
viral RNA and sequence the virus's genome at different points
in time during his infection. And what they learned was
number one, they found sixty eight new viral mutations over time. Okay,

(01:03:26):
so we know that the virus is mutating, and we
know that viruses do that. Especially second sixty eight sounds
like a lot. It is a lot, Yes, it's a lot.
But it's because they could live that it could survive
in this host, this man for so long that it
could just keep changing things and see what worked. So,
because he was immune compromised, his immune system wasn't able
to take out the virus. It was like, let's try this,

(01:03:47):
let's do this, Let's see if this means that more
of us can replicate or survive more. What was so
interesting is out of these sixty eight, ten of the
mutations were on the spike protein. Now you may have
heard of the spike protein with COVID, but basically that's
where the virus attaches to the human cells and gets
into it. So the way that the virus replicates is

(01:04:07):
it gets into a human cell and then it forces
that cell to produce more of the virus rather than
do what the cell was supposed to do in your body.
So being able to attach and enter the human cell
better means that it's more likely to replicate. What I
found fascinating in the study is some of these changes
matched the exact changes that we later saw in omicron,

(01:04:30):
which was the highly transmissible variant of COVID. The reason
why this is important is we saw these changes ten
months before omicron was detected in the public, So these
changes that made it more highly transmissible were seen in
this patient and we didn't realize this until much later on,
meaning that these changes in immune compromised people are probably

(01:04:53):
the reason why the next variant actually happened. So what
that means is, if you're thinking about pandemics, it's not
about maybe stopping the virus from affecting the whole pop
It's about going where is the most risk for this
virus to change and transform and actually be more dangerous potentially,

(01:05:14):
and it's typically in these immune compromised patients who host
the act as virus incubators. They host the virus for
long periods of time, so the virus can change and
try some stuff and get better and be more efficient
and then be more transisible, and then that patient spreads
it and that's how it spreads. So really interesting, I mean,
this poor patient, but a really interesting study and the

(01:05:37):
first time scientists have been able to study real time
what happened with the COVID nineteen virus, how it changed,
and what type of patients are at risk, which makes
you think that actually, in the longer term, you can
focus on these patients and go, actually, if we only
have a certain amount of resources, the types of people
we need to focus on those who are really immune
compromised that might be harboring and being an incubator for

(01:05:59):
the virus, because that might be the thing that affects
the world population in the long run.

Speaker 3 (01:06:05):
Thank you so much, Michelle. We appreciate that Mike Vander
Alison has returned home from Spain and he's all inspired.
He's got a beautiful Spanish little number for us next
a little bit like a new Zealand Sausage Roll. It
is a twenty to.

Speaker 1 (01:06:20):
Eleven the Sunday Session full show podcast on iHeartRadio powered
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Speaker 3 (01:06:28):
Our resident chief Mike vander Elsen is with us.

Speaker 15 (01:06:30):
Now, good morning, good morning.

Speaker 3 (01:06:32):
I should say, Olahla, are you have you you know,
your feedback on the ground, have you? Are you sort
of back into you know, life, day to day life
after wonderful truck of Europe.

Speaker 15 (01:06:46):
It was great, It was great were it was a
very it was a very well wind trip. I can
say we're in for a winning into the UK. And
then we took the opportunity to head over to Spain.
We went to Costa del Mar, which was on the
mid down from France, but I think it's about our
north of Barcelona and our south of Toulouse. And it

(01:07:12):
was great just to just to chill and soak up
some sun because that's what I've been missing and.

Speaker 3 (01:07:18):
Enjoy the local produce I'm sure, and pignadas yay top as.

Speaker 15 (01:07:23):
It was amazing because like we we went to Barcelona
for a short period of time and no matter the
vast array of restaurants, but they were all serving pretty
much the same. I think I saw maybe one or
two Japanese restaurants. I saw one burger place and all
the rest were just tapas bars, and you're walking and
they're all pretty much serving the same, which was good

(01:07:45):
because it was all de leg so impanada.

Speaker 3 (01:07:49):
It's it's a short cross pastry and they put a
sort of a mince filling inside.

Speaker 2 (01:07:56):
Is that right?

Speaker 8 (01:07:57):
Yeah?

Speaker 15 (01:07:58):
And it was funny because the ones, the ones in
Barcelona where we went to a couple of markets, and
and they were all pretty much the same. And they're
all kind of shaped like a sausage roll, like a
classic Kiwish sausage roll. And yet you go to Argentina,
they're slightly different. You go to Peru, you go to Ecuador,
you go to Chili, you go to Venezuela. It just
carries on and they're all slightly a different shape. And

(01:08:20):
I think the half moon sort of crescent shape is
probably the more popular one. But in essence, they are
all pretty much made the same. You can just add
some other kind of like keylo ingredients like vegetables if
you wish. And so the restaurant the Resci of today
is a beef and black bean upernyada, which seem to
be the most popular in Barcelona. So it's a cooked

(01:08:45):
meat filling. So I've got three hundred grams of beef mints.
This will make a decent amount of inpignadas, obviously depending
on the size. So to head things off, heat up
and oven one hundred and eighty degrees and then into
a heavy based cast iron pan.

Speaker 2 (01:09:00):
You want to add.

Speaker 15 (01:09:03):
I've got a touch. I actually go with the seeds first,
So two tables spoons of cooman seeds. Add them into
a dry pan, high heat, Fry them off until they
become fragrant, or do you start to see a little
bit of smoke rising, Take them out, pop them into
a pest of water, crush them into a dust, set
them aside. Put your pan back on two tablespoons of oil,
and then I've got three hundreds of beef mince. Add

(01:09:24):
that in, Fry that off, and then I've got two
onions that have been finely diced. For garlic that's been crushed.
Add in your spices, so the cooman seeds, along with
half testpoon and nutmeg, half testeoon, a chili powder if
you wish, and then I've got a test spoon of salt.
Add that in saute that off until basically all the
liquid has evaporator or been absorbed from that mince, and

(01:09:45):
then in goes one can of whole your tomatoes and
a can of black beans that have been drained. Cook
them for a further fifteen minutes. That pretty much ensures
that that mince is fully cooked through and it's nice
and tender. Take it out of the pan, pop it
into a tray, fire that into your fridge. You want
that to be fully cool when you start to build
up your impignards for the mpignards themselves. I've just gone out.

(01:10:07):
I've brought some short crust pastry. Obviously you can make
some yourself, easy peasy. I cut it into little discs
one hundred and fifty mil discs. Take your inpignada max.
It's gonna take about two tablespoons of that mix into
the center, folded over like a crescent, and then just
nip all the sides buyre them into the oven. Once
you brush them with a bit of egg wash. They're

(01:10:28):
going to be in the oven for about fifteen minutes
because all you're looking is to cook that pastry so
reasonably hot. Oven one hundred and eighty maybe one hundred
ninety degrees after fifteen minutes, pull them out and serve
them piping hot. I've served them with like a tomato
chili jam. But they're a pretty good treat, just to
walk along and just eat while you look at all
the lovely things in Barcelona.

Speaker 3 (01:10:50):
Oh it sounds delicious. Love you to have you back.
Thank you so much, Mike. You can get that recipe
at good from scratch dot co dot zed, or of
course you can find it on our website. We'll get
it up there today newstalgzb dot co dot z ford
Slash Sunday. It's thirteen to eleven.

Speaker 2 (01:11:05):
Square to cover.

Speaker 1 (01:11:06):
It's the Sunday session with Francesca, Rudgin and Wiggles for
the best selection of a great rings Us Talks'd be
joining me now.

Speaker 3 (01:11:14):
To talk wellness eron Ihara. Good morning, good morning, right
daylight saving has kicked in. It's nice to see a
little bit more light in the evenings. And actually this
week a girlfriend of mine who's a teacher, text me
on I think was Thursday afternoon and said, hey, end
of the day, five o'clock, go for a walk around
the park. And I looked at something. Yeah, let's do it.
You just feel a little bit more motivated to fit

(01:11:35):
a bit of exercise on at the end of the day.

Speaker 17 (01:11:36):
I feel like it's the turning point that everyone kind
of gets a bit more motivated so to think healthier
and enjoys the evening. Can get out after work because
not leaving work and in the dark, it's not reinspiring
to go out and exercise when it's dark outside.

Speaker 3 (01:11:51):
You're so right. It was that sense of yeah, I've
been on my screen all day, wouldn't mind a bit
of fresh air and I've got time, Whereas once upon
a time I'm probably thinking, okay, right, it's the end
of day, think about dinner and all those kind of things.

Speaker 2 (01:12:03):
Well, the day just.

Speaker 17 (01:12:03):
Feels a bit longer, a thin extra light at the
end of the day.

Speaker 3 (01:12:06):
Is there a benefit to walking at the end of
the day, maybe after you've had your meal.

Speaker 17 (01:12:12):
Yeah, there's so many research studies around exercising after eating
a meal, particularly walking, and I think it's a good
time with the longer evenings that if you have dinner
at a good hour, so not at ten o'clock at night,
and then get out for a bit of fresh air
and a bit of a walk, it's actually got so
many health benefits, including improving digestion, reducing cholesterol, helping with

(01:12:34):
weight management, elevating mood, and actually helping with those positive
hormones as well as if you do have things like diabetes,
it's getting really good sugar regulation as whatever you've eaten,
it's actually helping to process the carbohydrate as you get
out and exercise and move your body.

Speaker 3 (01:12:51):
Okay, so these positive benefits of exercising after eating. Is
it about walking or there other forms of exercise which
are just as good.

Speaker 17 (01:12:59):
Well, most of the research is done on walking because
it's simple, it's something most people can do. But if
you don't like walking, then you could do something. So
it's more around moving your body and exercising, and it's
not about excessive amounts so necessarily, like if you've just
had a meal, you're not going to go out for
a run, So don't think more is better. Actually is

(01:13:20):
about just getting in some simple movement and if you
don't usually move your body and do any exercise, it's
a good place to start. And your good place to
start is actually just ten minutes, Like you don't have
to go out for an hour walk after dinner. It's
a matter of heavy meal, let it digest a little bit,
and then get up and go for a nice little

(01:13:40):
walk just around the block. And it might even be
that you start with five minutes, build it up to
ten minutes, and if you're into just getting that balance
of good sugar levels across the day, it might be
that you start just after dinner and then maybe you've
got a little bit of extra time. You then add
it into after lunch, you put ten minutes, and then
maybe if you can even build up to after breakfast

(01:14:01):
as well, then you're getting three ten minute walks and there's.

Speaker 3 (01:14:04):
Your thirty minute walking. No, you're putting the pressure on.

Speaker 17 (01:14:09):
But you know it's little and often and getting that
accumulation of movement through the day. And I find that
if you're not an exerciser and you don't love exercise,
then that miscellaneous exercise and movement that you can bring
in through little bite size amounts is a lot more
achievable than putting in big volume.

Speaker 3 (01:14:29):
It's so true though, because so many people will sit
at their desk and eat their lunch, so and their
half the time they sort of see me working through lunch.
So maybe you do that, but then you go I'm
taking with ten minutes, I'm taking your break. I'm going outside.
I'm walking around the block. Yeah, and get that fresh air,
get the light as you get.

Speaker 17 (01:14:44):
If you have an office that doesn't have a lot
of windows, it's great to just get out outside breaks
up the day. You actually improve productivity in the afternoon
if you've had a little break and it actually got
away from your computer. But it's really that comes down to,
like that movement. If the benefit of walking is huge,
and so if you can just bring in little bite
size amounts, you'll get the benefit. And don't forget to

(01:15:07):
breathe as you walk, and you can make it a
moving meditation too.

Speaker 3 (01:15:11):
There we go. You're very good at helping us create habits.
How do we make this a consistent thing? How do
we get consistent to this? I think start small.

Speaker 17 (01:15:18):
Start with just an evening walk after dinner, and start
with five minutes. And also, don't have an actual exact
amount you need to do, because you might get out
for five minutes and be like, actually, I am loving this,
feel so good, I'm going to go for ten minutes.
So if you just start small and you can build
it up slowly. Also, maybe find a buddy. You're always

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having a buddy to motivate you and be like, hey,
let's meet for a walk after dinner, and then you're
probably more likely to do a bit more because she
can chat and talk and catch up and have that
social connection as well as getting in the exercise.

Speaker 3 (01:15:53):
Love it, Thank you so much. Erin Talk Next Week the.

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Speaker 3 (01:16:04):
Susan Lynch has released a memo are It's called Yesterday
When I Was Young, and it followed her career from
the early days of The Chicks, to touring the world
with Cat Stevens and recording with many famous artists, to
her vocal coaching and current band The Lady Killers. It
has been one heck of a career and there have
been some pretty incredible outfits to go with it as well.

(01:16:24):
Suzanne is going to be with us to talk through
some of the highlights and we're going to finish with
a bit of Cat Stevens All Youse Have Islam. This
is just one of the many songs that Suzanne sang on.
This is Remember the Days of the Old school Yard.

Speaker 10 (01:16:48):
My first.

Speaker 7 (01:16:59):
Fine side.

Speaker 2 (01:17:08):
A time maybe.

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Remember the days Sunday hug school yard. We used to
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Speaker 2 (01:17:28):
Do you remember that days under the school.

Speaker 1 (01:17:34):
When we had imagines and we had all kinds of
things and we laughed and need love.

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Speaker 3 (01:18:44):
And now you are likely completely unaware of this, but
the backing vocals of this song most Fabulous and Hers
are sung by a member of Kiwi Pop Royalty, our
very own Suvan Lynch famously known as one heart of
the Tricks and longtime member of the Lady Killers. She
has had quite the career both here and overseas many

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well known artists, and even toured the world twice with
Cat Stevens. Suzanne has revealed all about her sixty year
career in a memoir. It's called Yesterday when I was
young and Susanna is with me. Now, welcome, good morning,
good morning. Let's just talk about the who's and has.

Speaker 18 (01:19:23):
Oh huh.

Speaker 3 (01:19:26):
Really was not expecting that. I mean, I know that
you've sung for a lot of people, but I did not.
How did that come about?

Speaker 2 (01:19:32):
Well?

Speaker 19 (01:19:33):
I was in the vocal group that I worked with
in London in a studio next door to Carle Douglas
where he was recording, and his producer Biddoo just popped
his head in and said, do you girls mind coming
in hah after your session? And we went no, sure,
And so there was Mac and Katie Coscern and macas
a male and three women, and I was one of

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the women and we all just went, oh ah.

Speaker 18 (01:19:58):
We had to sound as low as we could go.

Speaker 3 (01:20:01):
And then you disappear and the next thing, you know,
the songs all over the place and this is just
a nice limit you did for free.

Speaker 18 (01:20:06):
Yeah, we just did it for free, popped him for.

Speaker 3 (01:20:10):
Let's go back to the beginning of your career. You
and your sister Judy we discovered at just fourteen years
old who became the Chicks. What was it like getting discovered,
you know, at such a young age.

Speaker 19 (01:20:22):
Well, I was just doing what I was told to
be honest. Judy was she was sixteen. Actually she's older
than me.

Speaker 2 (01:20:29):
People.

Speaker 3 (01:20:29):
I like the way you got that early people on
the interview.

Speaker 19 (01:20:31):
Yes, I have to have to point it out. Six
and a half years older. And we just asked Peter
Poser for his autograph one day and he said, not
unless you sing a song. And we used to sing
around the piano when we were children with our mum
and Kevin Borich from the Lardi Dars who lived next door.

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So we sang a song and hey, presto. Next thing,
we were in a recording studio recording a song, and
I was standing in Shortland Street Studios with my knees knocking,
ready to do the first television show I've ever done.

Speaker 3 (01:21:06):
I was fourteen, So what's show business like for a
teenager in the sexties.

Speaker 19 (01:21:13):
Oh well, for me, it was just a lot of
fun actually, because I made the best friends of all
the people in our circle. But I did find I
had really difficult teenage years, only because no one ever
asked me out for a chart for a start, and
I was always busy working. But by the time I

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was sixteen, I had fallen so in love with music
and with singing and entertaining. It didn't matter. I was
having a great time, because you're.

Speaker 3 (01:21:43):
Right, it's not your typical teenager year.

Speaker 19 (01:21:45):
Not your typical years. And I was busy, you know.
We always had to get our clothes made, we were
learning songs, we were sending off charts to people, and
even doing Come On and Happen in. It was a
lot of work every day you worked to do the show.

Speaker 3 (01:22:00):
How did your parents feel about sending, you know, their
two young daughters out on the road touring and things
like that.

Speaker 19 (01:22:05):
When I look back on them, they even let us
do it. I can't believe they let us do it.
But my mother used to come as our chaperone, and
I think her eyes were well and truly opened on
the PJ Proby tour, for example.

Speaker 3 (01:22:20):
But you were very well behaved. I mean, reading this book,
it wasn't all sort was boring thanks to drags and
rock and ro.

Speaker 18 (01:22:26):
I was boring. I was definitely the girl next door.

Speaker 19 (01:22:30):
I was always treated like the little kid's sister because
I was always four or five years younger than everybody else.
And when you're fourteen or fifteen and the others are twenty,
that's a big difference, especially in those days.

Speaker 3 (01:22:43):
So what impact did it have on you? You mentioned
how you discovered this, you know this, this true love
for singing and performing, But what other impact did it
have on you those early years?

Speaker 19 (01:22:53):
Early years, I think I was just doing something I loved,
and I'm still doing something I loved. I didn't until
I started writing that book. I didn't realize just how
much I'd done, and I kept thinking, Oh I must
mention this, and oh I must mention that. So how
did it affect me back then? I think I was

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so young. I was just having a jolly good time
with all my friends like Larry Morris, Shane Ray Columbus,
Ray Wolfe, you know all those people, and we're still
all great friends after all these years. We've made a
really solid There was a lot of camaraderie in those
days with the groups like the clefton Airs and the Rebels,
you know, just camaraderie.

Speaker 3 (01:23:37):
You went solo after five years or so, you eventually
ended up in London, and I think that this is
a part of your career I'm not sure that people
are quite so familiar with. First of all, tell me
how'd you end up in London?

Speaker 19 (01:23:48):
I did a tour here with what's his name, Valdunican?
Do you remember Valdunican? He used to sit in the
rocking chair with us, you mean Cardigan on in those days.
And I did a tour with him, and at the
end of the tour he said to me, would I
go to London and perform on his television show? And
of course, me, being a yes person, said yes, of

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course I will, and then thought, oh dear, but I
ticket arrived in the mail and my husband, my new husband,
we'd only been married about six months. Off we went
to London to do his television show, and just before
I walked on, he told me that not to worry,
there's only nineteen million people probably watching. So that was

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once again my knees were knocking.

Speaker 3 (01:24:33):
Did your niece did your niece have they stopped knocking?
Did they stop?

Speaker 2 (01:24:37):
Not? Really?

Speaker 5 (01:24:38):
Not?

Speaker 19 (01:24:38):
When I sing on my own fine with the Lady Killers,
I mean I've got company. And when I was with
Judy doing the Ticks songs, I was fine, But on
my own I always found it.

Speaker 18 (01:24:50):
A bit difficult.

Speaker 19 (01:24:51):
That's why I liked being in a vocal group, I
think in London, because the artist had all the pressure
out the front. I was just singing and having a
great time.

Speaker 3 (01:25:00):
It was a six month return ticket, but you ended
up staying. What was London like at that time?

Speaker 18 (01:25:06):
Fantastic?

Speaker 19 (01:25:07):
I mean the first thing I did was walked down
Carnaby Street and Penny Lane. I wanted to go there.
We went and looked at the Palace. So we had
a little bit of a break before we suddenly got really,
really busy and just decided we had to stay. Really
because we both started getting a lot of work.

Speaker 3 (01:25:24):
Tell me how that's sort of all unfolded. Because you
worked with some incredible people over there. You did backing
vocals for Olivia and Newton, John, Meatloaf, Lulu, and you
worked alongside Luther Vandross. How did that all kick off
and how does that progress? Do you just become you
just get a reputation.

Speaker 19 (01:25:42):
Do you you get a reputation? I think yes. I
mean Tony Vasconto, who was married to Mary Hopkin, who
remains a very close friend of mine. He was on
a tour here in New Zealand with my husband Bruce,
and borrowed his double bass. And this is how simple
things in those days could happen. He just said, oh,
I hear you coming. You know, he knew I was

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going to London, and he said, I'll get in touch
when you get there. I might be able to get
you on a session Bruce, because he knew Bruce was
a really good player, and he did. He got them
straight into session work. And Bruce is a very very
good bass player, so he started getting a lot of work.
And I met up with Dave and Joy McCrae, who
are Kiwi's, and Joey said, what about you know, Resurrecting

(01:26:27):
Bones our vocal group with We formed it with an
American girl, Jackie Sullivan, who used to work with Tom
Jones in the States. So and I had a history
of working on television, you know, different live shows and
all that. So every kind of music we were presented with
we understood and the English people we found were quite

(01:26:49):
sort of. There was a group there called the Ladybirds
who were great and they were the first call vocal group,
but they only sang in one style. And we came
along us crazy Kiwi's and an American and we sang
any style they wanted. Because I'd had all that training
from Kevin Moore and columphus on, come on and happen.
On of one week you were this person, the next

(01:27:10):
week you were somebody. You know, had to sing a
Lulu song. Then you had to sing someone else's Petulia
Clark or somebody. So I sort of knew every genre.

Speaker 3 (01:27:20):
That's interesting. You also went to a party at David
Bowie's house. What what's it David Bowie party?

Speaker 19 (01:27:24):
Like it was just like anybody's party. Really, it was
just a party. We're at his house and he said, oh,
you know to Mary and I he said, oh, come on,
have a look at my new kimono I'm just gonna
wear on my next tour. And Lutha Vandros was there,
you know, I mean, it was just you know, so, what's.

Speaker 3 (01:27:41):
It like rubbing shoulders with these people? Is it is
it a big deal? Or actually? Is it just you know,
is it a job you do and people that you
hang out with it's not really well.

Speaker 19 (01:27:49):
I discovered that they're just people like us. I mean,
it's you know, I've never been overly impressed.

Speaker 3 (01:27:56):
I don't know.

Speaker 19 (01:27:57):
I hate to say it, but you know, I'm so
and say okay, Hi, you know, I don't know.

Speaker 18 (01:28:03):
I've just I'm just me.

Speaker 3 (01:28:05):
You. The forod of this book is written by Yusuf
Islam aka Kat Stevens, and you became close friends. How
did you two meet?

Speaker 19 (01:28:14):
I cried when I read what he wrote because I
didn't realize he felt that way. To be honest, how
do we meet? It was in the recording studio. Bruce,
my husband, was already playing bass for him in his
core band, rhythm Section and Bones, my vocal group, got
called to go in and do a session at the

(01:28:34):
same studio, and we didn't even think about it. We
just walked in and Bruce said to me, what are
you doing here? And I said, I'm here to do
a session. What are you doing here? And Paul Samuel Smith,
who was the producer, said, do you two know each other?
You both speak the same funny language, and we said, yeah,

(01:28:54):
we're married and so that's when I did the over
a Young session recording session for Cat Stevens, and of
course he was about to go off on tour, and
both Bruce and I ended up up going on two
world tours with them.

Speaker 3 (01:29:11):
Does a world tour in the seventies look quite different
to how they would look today or still quite similar?

Speaker 18 (01:29:17):
Quite similar?

Speaker 19 (01:29:18):
I think, Oh, they've got a lot more fancy lights
and dancers, and I mean it's a bit these days.

Speaker 18 (01:29:25):
It's a huge production.

Speaker 19 (01:29:26):
I mean, our guys were like having to get there
and bolt the stage together, and as we're doing the encore,
they were unbolting, starting to unbolt the bolts so that,
you know, we could fly to the next town and
they could get it all in the trucks and drive
to the next town. When we were in the States
and we had a tiger, and we had doves and
we had you know, I mean, it was it was

(01:29:48):
wonderful fun. But we were away for thirteen months on
the second tour and show every other day, and everybody
survived well because we were all I mean, you can't
help but become really good friends when you're away.

Speaker 18 (01:30:00):
We became like a big family. Really.

Speaker 3 (01:30:02):
It was quite a perfectionist, wasn't he totally?

Speaker 18 (01:30:05):
And I loved the about him.

Speaker 19 (01:30:07):
Yeh, because I'm afraid to say I'm a bit of
a perfectionist myself, but yeah, he was. He was fantastic
to work for. And if we did a we'd always
do a sound check, which would last quite a while,
and if we got through it quickly because the sound
all happened magically, he'd start working on a news you know,

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show us a new song and we'd start learning that.

Speaker 18 (01:30:30):
So it was an amazing time.

Speaker 19 (01:30:33):
And as I say, at the time, I was just
there doing yeah, okay, you know, everything's fine. Now I
sort of realize what it was. It was pretty amazing.

Speaker 3 (01:30:43):
Your return to New Zealand. Was that hard to come
back to New Zealand after you know, world tours and
you know, being in London and things.

Speaker 19 (01:30:50):
Yes, yeah, I wasn't that keen to come home at all.
In fact, or Old Bruce had to take me back
to London and we stayed for six months, which was
very clever of him because then I realized, no, no,
it's actually time. You know, Punk Kroc was in there
was all that going on. I had a small child,
My son was born in Wimbledon and trying to drag

(01:31:13):
a little eight month old or a year old child
to recording sessions was not particularly helpful. So no, we
came back and he brought them to Mandrel Recording studios
here and produced some great records.

Speaker 3 (01:31:28):
Actually, and I've interviewed your son many times over the
year as well, and another very talented musician in the
family and things. What I love about this memoir, Suzanne,
is that I'm reading it and there was so much
in here. I mean, you never stop, you always, and
this is something that I really love. You are still
singing to this day. This is something you love. It

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doesn't matter how big how small we you are, you
just continue to keep performing.

Speaker 19 (01:31:55):
I think you know you always do the same performance,
whether there's five people or five thousand in the audience.
You give your all. And I just adore entertaining people,
and I love singing still. So for me, I'm so.

Speaker 18 (01:32:08):
Happy about the fate.

Speaker 19 (01:32:09):
I've actually made a living out of something that's been
completely joyous for me.

Speaker 3 (01:32:14):
When you were sitting just waiting in our studio to
come and chat to me, somebody came in and said, Hi,
I just want to introduce myself. You taught my sister,
and I'm sure that happens a lot, because that's something
else that you're really passionate about new Love is your
vocal coaching and mentoring of.

Speaker 19 (01:32:30):
Your I'm very keen to pass on what I've learned
over the years to all the up and coming pupils
and things. And I've got a young man at the moment,
Nathan Fryer, who's, oh, he's just doing amazing things. As kids,
I've taught since they were eight or ten, and now
they're fifteen and they're all getting careers, which is fantastic.
I just want to encourage them, you know.

Speaker 3 (01:32:51):
So you when you came back to New Zealand, I
didn't realize this but that you ended up as the
voice of some of our most well known jingles. You
seem to do. I think you did every jingle possible
for adake, embarrassing you and any crummer.

Speaker 18 (01:33:06):
Yes, it got embarrassing, honestly.

Speaker 3 (01:33:09):
Yes, How did that feel to go from traveling the
world to coming back and singing jingles?

Speaker 19 (01:33:15):
I was quite happy about that, actually, because it meant
I had just had my daughter at that point. And
Murray Grimdley is a perfectionist, so I was in familiar
territory and I record at Stebbings and Margaret Stebbing, would
you know, take Amy and my daughter in a little
carrycott thing, and she just put her under the desk.

(01:33:36):
And she got quite cross because she as soon as
she heard the music she'd go to sleep. She got
quite cross because she said, I never get a cuddle,
she never wakes up. So I'd do a session, finish
the session, pick Amy up, go and Pickandrew up from kindergarten.

Speaker 3 (01:33:51):
It's just another example of how you took whatever opportunities
were there and afraid of you. Yeah, keep so. Oh look,
it's been such a delight to talk to you. The
book is fantastic. I must make a quick note of
the wedding dress photo, which I know you weren't sure
whether to put it or not, but just the outfits
in the sixties and through the seventies and things. It
really is just I'm sure a lot of people are

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going to have a while.

Speaker 8 (01:34:16):
You look.

Speaker 3 (01:34:17):
I yes, that is wite.

Speaker 18 (01:34:20):
But they're fabulous.

Speaker 3 (01:34:21):
I are absolutely fabulous. Thank you so much for coming,
and thank Susan Lynch. The book is called Yesterday When
I was young. It is in stores now. The panel
is up next. It is twenty three past eleven.

Speaker 1 (01:34:35):
Sunday with Style the Sunday Session with Francesca Rudgin and
Wiggles for the best selection of Greg reedsse Talk Sevy.

Speaker 3 (01:34:45):
It is time for the panel and joining me today
we have hosts of the front Page podcast Chelsea Daniels,
Good morning, Chelsea, good morning, and TV producer, journalist and
commentator Irene Gardner. Hi, Irene, good morning.

Speaker 2 (01:34:57):
Right?

Speaker 3 (01:34:57):
Can we please start off with the announcement this weekend
about the government and what they are doing with our
BOO screenings, which of course is going to be from
sixty to fifty five. Now, this is this is good news.
We're starting to lure it. That is great, But I
do have an issue with the messaging because we were
told that this is kind of the first step to
the government lorring the bow screening age to match Australia.

(01:35:20):
We are absolutely nowhere near Australia. Who is you know
in Australia at age forty five you can request your
first free bow cancer screening kit. Iren. I mean, is
the messaging wrong?

Speaker 8 (01:35:33):
Am I?

Speaker 3 (01:35:33):
Am I losing the point here? Should we be pleased
that we're reducing the streaming or are we're just not
doing enough.

Speaker 7 (01:35:39):
I'm sort of it with you, but I can see
kind of what's happened because the tem kind of backed
himself and his government into a bit of a corner
because he made it as an election promise on the
fly in an election debate, when asked by a person
you know, going through this and so obviously an emotional moment,

(01:36:02):
but it then became a pop promise to you know,
a vulnerab or group of people, and now it kind
of just looks really bad. I mean, we all know
that the economy is tight, and that we can never
put enough into health, and that everything is difficult, and
what you put somewhere you don't put somewhere else and
all of that. But as you pointed out, we are

(01:36:23):
so far off where Australia is and this is a
prevention thing rather than a cure thing, which to me
is where you always should be putting the efforts.

Speaker 3 (01:36:33):
Because Chelsea, we're all adults, right, we can we can.
We can accept the fact that you know, it's going
to take us a while potentially to get to where
Australia is at. You know, maybe it's maybe instead of
just trying to pretend that we're not going to see
the elephant in the room, we should actually just be
a bit more on us and go, Okay, it's going
to take us some time, but we're trying to we're
trying to get there. This is what we can do,
this is what we've got capacity to do, you know

(01:36:53):
what I.

Speaker 10 (01:36:53):
Mean, It's absolutely atrocious that both chris Is could well,
we don't know what Hipkins would do, but would look
into the eyes of a woman who well under the
screening age.

Speaker 20 (01:37:08):
At that election debate, I think it was news Tawwaltivins
or something when Paddi Gower asked, will you commit to
lowering the age to match Australia's both of them said yes.
He went on to say are you sure yes, and
now we're not getting it's it's it's atrocious. I mean,
most of these situations do You don't see symptoms with

(01:37:32):
bow cancer half of the time, so these screenings really do.

Speaker 21 (01:37:36):
Catch those that really need the help and that early prevention.

Speaker 20 (01:37:40):
I think it was something like forty percent of those
cancerous you know, when they catch it in the screenings,
forty percent are actually prevented.

Speaker 21 (01:37:50):
And why would you fiddle with those odds. It's it's
unbelievable because.

Speaker 3 (01:37:55):
I mean, I like this idea about this fittiest you
can test your own PUE at home basically see if
there's any blood of that, and I like this idea,
but actually it shouldn't be being used to prioritizeoscopies. It
should be used to find people who have no symptoms
and that catching bow cancer really early, just like Charsia said,
and using it as a preventative measure.

Speaker 7 (01:38:17):
Absolutely, And of course I am in the age group,
so I have done the thing and you know it's
totally simple and easy and home based. And yeah, I
mean Chelsea's right that you know that they made a promise,
and yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:38:33):
What's really worrying me is that we are hearing a lot,
you know, more and more about young people, people under fifty,
getting bow cancer. And of course it is already New
Zealand's second biggest cancer killer. That's terrible. The statistics are terrible,
and there's a lot of research out there. Some of
them are saying, look, it's got to do with ultra
process food, like they're trying to work out why we're
suddenly seeing this, and there's a lot going into it

(01:38:55):
and things. But what really concerned me about what doctor
Frank Frazell said to me earlier was he said, it's
really hard for younger people to get into the system.

Speaker 11 (01:39:05):
You know.

Speaker 3 (01:39:05):
He says, it's really important that we're educating them about
the symptoms and that they're aware of it, but then
it's also really hard for them to get into the system,
which just seems a bit crazy to me, Chelsea.

Speaker 21 (01:39:16):
Oh, and the absolute bare minimum should be lowering it
further for Maldi and Pacific peoples as.

Speaker 20 (01:39:22):
Well, mind you. I mean, they are more than likely
to die from cancer. I think it's something like one
point five times more likely to die from cancer. Anyway,
why would you not? And obviously we know this government
doesn't particularly like race based health outcomes or race based
health initiatives, but I mean, when all the evidence is there,

(01:39:43):
why not have the absolute bare minimum lower lower for
Maldi and Pacific peoples and try and get a twenty
year old to the doctor. Anyway, you have to pay
what like eighty bucks for the privilege to get some
antihistamines these days. Imagine you know, they're not going to
be out there doing preventative measures and preventative tests on
their own accord.

Speaker 3 (01:40:03):
Either a very good point. Right, Let's move on to
some a little bit lighter royal traditions, and of of
course Prince William did an interview with the TV host
and so I said, look, I think that they're going
to be some changes. I'm really looking forward to making
changes when I become king. And people have been reflecting
on what those changes might be, and some people have
suggested that actually it's time that we got rid of

(01:40:25):
some of the sort of the pomp and the ceremony,
the plumed hats and the kilts and things like that,
and Irene, I'm going to going you take that away.
They're just ordinary people. I think if you take it,
you know what I mean, Like, if you take away
all the kind of the ridiculous sort of tradition ands
costumes and things like that, what are you left with?

Speaker 7 (01:40:44):
It gets Aboutand I really loved the William too, by
the way. He came across incredibly well. He seems very smart,
strategically likable, and of course he's going to be a
modern monarch whenever this time comes, and we would sort
of know that without him saying that. But I think
even he got if you listen to what you're saying.
I think even he got that you've got to have

(01:41:05):
a reasonablemount of the pomp and ceremony and the color
and the tradition because that's what people like, that's what
makes tourism money, etcetera, etcetera. But I think what he
was saying was he'd liked up the sort of good
work side of what he does, which is already big
for him, and you know, maybe just modernize a few

(01:41:27):
of the more basic things. I don't think they'd even
take away all of that, but I think he himself
might ease it back for himself, because I haven't noticed
that when he needs to wear all of that stuff,
with the funny hats and the ermine all, you know,
and all of what he looks real, I kind of
think it's a bag.

Speaker 3 (01:41:48):
I mean, Chelsea, I totally understand why you probably you know,
he's probably thinking, you don't need to put your royal
cipher on every paper napkin like his dad does, the
king does. There's probably a lot of a lot of
little places, a lot of behind the scenes bits and
pieces that you could probably sort of save a bit
of time and money on.

Speaker 20 (01:42:06):
Ah and if you've ever organized a wedding, you know
how expensive personalized napkins are as well, So I mean
you've got to cut back on that. But I know
he's never really liked wearing the big jackets and the
medals and things like that.

Speaker 13 (01:42:19):
I totally get that, but I.

Speaker 21 (01:42:21):
Do, like, you know, they're allowed to take selfies with people.

Speaker 20 (01:42:24):
Now, which is quite lovely to see, you know that
those kind of small tweaks. You know, on the day
of Catherine's cancer diagnosis and that announcement, the Cancer Research
UK had more than two hundred thousand visits to its
website and in the UK alone there were multiple, you know,
record number of people seeing their GPS about cancer diagnoses

(01:42:46):
and getting checked out and stuff.

Speaker 21 (01:42:47):
So that kind of part of it I.

Speaker 20 (01:42:50):
Can see is a real good for the community people,
you know, them being more real in a sense. But
in terms of the pomp and the hats and the
colors and the parades, I mean, that's what that's why
the UK pays them so much money.

Speaker 21 (01:43:06):
I think it was something like eighty six.

Speaker 20 (01:43:08):
Pounds last fiscal year alone of funding for the monarchy's
official activities, and goodness knows what that brings in with
that tourism, venue, revenue and all that kind of stuff.

Speaker 3 (01:43:18):
So no, I like the small tweaks. Let them have
the selfies.

Speaker 20 (01:43:21):
Let well wear some corduroy pants while he's out and
about shaking hands and kissing babies and see how it goes.

Speaker 3 (01:43:29):
Thank you so much, Chelsea Daniels and Iron Gardener very
much appreciate your thoughts this morning. What about texts? Texts
to say your guest has no idea? It cost twenty
dollars to go the doctor's of your on adult, not
eighty cost me eighty five. So I'm sure that some
people might be able to get a discount or have
a car that gets them in there, but eighty eighty
five dollars is what I have to pay, So thank

(01:43:52):
you for that. I'm so pleased that you enjoyed my
chat with Suzanne. Good morning, Francisco. I loved Suzanne and
the checks and that era of come on and happy
in fabulous while in my early teens, great Kiwi legends.
Thanks for the text, Catherine another, what an amazing interview.

(01:44:13):
I remember Suzanne from the late sixties. She's a national
treasure and if anyone deserves to be made a dame,
it's her, so thank you very much for your feedback.
Jason Pine is with me.

Speaker 1 (01:44:21):
Next, it's the Sunday session with Francesca Rudkin on news.

Speaker 3 (01:44:29):
Talks at b Weekend Sport kicks off at midday. Jason
Pine is with me. Now, good morning, Good morning. Some
very late nights this weekend there have been, yeah, very
late nights. Another one tonight. They're All Blacks. Managed to
pull off the wind, but not quite the series.

Speaker 22 (01:44:47):
Yeah, not quite the Rugby Championship. They gave themselves a
chance with the bonus point. I thought that was very
impressive at the end. The awareness to know that they
had to get the bonus point if they were to
stand any chance. They went for it, got it right
at the end, so good on them for that. Unfortunately
it was South Africa who got there on points if
Argentina not quite able to beat them at Twickener. But look,
you look at it and you say, well, we've been

(01:45:08):
asking for consistency from the All Blacks. We've been asking
them to win back to back matches. They did it
four games to go this season. A bit of time
to reflect and refresh and recover. An hour before crack
at a Grand slam. I think they'll be pretty happy
with last night. A couple of standout performers, a couple
of little bits and pieces to work on. But yeah,
look back to back wins over Australia. You take that

(01:45:28):
any day.

Speaker 3 (01:45:29):
I flicked on the Cricket last night, the Black Caps
versus Australia. The Tea twenty Australia has taken the series
to tun il. But I I it just wasn't right.
There was something not right about watching this show in
the dark, kind of miserable. Everyone's wrapped in their puffer jackets.
I love the Bayoval. I think it's I've watched games there,
really love it. It just did not feel like it

(01:45:50):
was We're ready for cricket. It just starts dark and
cold and miserable, and it just didn't quite It felt
all of those weird you're right, Yeah it was. It was.

Speaker 22 (01:45:58):
You're so right, Francesca. It was such an odd, almost
jarring watch to have a look at Bayoval. I've been
there too, and it is a magnificent I used to
watch cricket on a sunny day or on a clear night,
but man, it just looked arctic there, didn't It looked
like everybody was miserable, you know, sort of rugged up,
and you know it was like they were it was
like they were watching a test rugby test at the

(01:46:19):
old Athletic Park.

Speaker 3 (01:46:21):
That's what it looked like. No partner said to me,
I can't do this. Can we go to Singapore? Please?
It's watch the practice, which fair enough, we really shouldn't
have I mean Leham Lawson. I know he loves Singapore,
but Jesus it hasn't gone quite according to plan, has it.

Speaker 22 (01:46:32):
No, a couple of crashes in practice qualified I think
what he was fourteenth and elevated to twelfth, So yeah,
a bit of a come down from what he did
in Baku last time out, but I guess we won.
And see what happens tonight. Quite funny or just unusual
watching it under lights, isn't it? Watching the racing happen
under lights? And Singapore, by the sounds of it, it's
very hot there, even at night. It's in the sort

(01:46:53):
of the mid thirties over there, so goodness only knows
how hot they get in the you know, in the
cop but if you can call it that of those
women who one casts and then.

Speaker 3 (01:47:00):
Of course tonight we've got the Grand final Storm versus Broncos.
I believe the Warriors reserve side, the reserve grade sider
and the State Championship final at three pm after winning
a New South Wales Cup last weekend. So that's very exciting.
But who are you calling Storm a Broncos.

Speaker 1 (01:47:16):
I've got Bronco.

Speaker 8 (01:47:17):
I'll get the Broncos.

Speaker 22 (01:47:18):
Got the Broncos after what they did to Penrith last
week and to Canber a couple of weeks before that.
I've got the I've got the Broncos winning that tonight. Hey,
just before I do nip off after one o'clock. Jenny Wiley,
Netball New Zealand CEO and Steff Bond, head of the
Players Association, both with me on the show after one
as we try and unpack this ongoing Dame Jason Grilling.

Speaker 3 (01:47:39):
Are they well, I don't know.

Speaker 22 (01:47:41):
We'll see.

Speaker 15 (01:47:41):
We'll see.

Speaker 22 (01:47:42):
Well, we all see how I feel like. I haven't
had a lot of sleep, so maybe love it.

Speaker 3 (01:47:47):
Jason, Fine, have a great show. Jason will be back
with you at midday.

Speaker 1 (01:47:52):
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Speaker 3 (01:48:02):
Now Meghan Singleton, blogger at large dot com, is with me. Now,
good morning, good morning. Okay, so this is kind of
a little unusual. This is a little bit different, and
I'm really keen to see if it works. So hotels
are now offering you the opportunity to instead of having
a loud, aggressive alarm going off, you're able to set

(01:48:25):
your alarm for a smell, a smell of coffee or
bacon or muffins to be sprayed around the room. Tell
me how does this work?

Speaker 13 (01:48:36):
Okay, So well, firstly, let me explain. I was at
the Holiday Inn Express, which is a Newish hotel built
in twenty twenty two. On the site, I actually have
the former New Zealand Herald building, so the window in
Albert Street buildings. So it's great accommodation. And if anyone's
listening thinking about I need to come to Auckland for something,
it's affordable. You're two blocks from the Skytower precinct, You're
a block from Queen Street. But guy I was there, yeah, yeah,

(01:48:59):
it's a great. Guy I was there to try out
said smelly alarm clock. So you're right, it doesn't make
a sound it makes a smell. I could choose from
three cents that they had there, the bacon, the blueberry muffins,
all the coffee. So as soon as I walked in,
I thought, oh, I want to try out a smell now,
and then I want to try out a smell as
an alarm, you know, when I woke up this morning.
So the clock itself is in a little diffuser sort

(01:49:22):
of device with a digital clock as part of it,
and it plugs into the wall. So you fill the
diffuser with water, you choose from one of those aforementioned scents,
you drop five drops in. How I tried bacon as
soon as we walked in. To be honest, I think
the room was a little bit muffiny when I first arrived. Anyway,
maybe the previous person had the muffins going. I wasn't sure.

(01:49:45):
So then I did. The bacon started puffing out of
the top of the gadget, and I'm wafting it into
my face, going, oh, is it bacony? I'm not sure.
It certainly smells like food anyway, and I thought no,
So we I washed it all out and we went
out and got some cocktails. You're so close like Federal street.
It's all great up there. Anyway, I decided, right, I'm

(01:50:06):
not having up beside the bed for the morning. I
don't want to put thing right in my face when
I wake up, so I washed it out again. And
then I spent honestly about ten minutes just trying to
set the clock up because i'd unplugged it, and I
thought I've done that correctly. Oh I hadn't. So I
put my coffee drops in, I set it up over
by the fridge, and I'm watching through the night going

(01:50:27):
an I smell anything kind of smelling thing. I don't
think I can smell.

Speaker 3 (01:50:30):
Anything like a relaxing night.

Speaker 13 (01:50:31):
Yeah, okay, however I have to shout out to the
blackout curtains because I got up at seven point fifteen
and it hadn't started. So I manually turned on my
alarm clock, and yes, it smelled like coffee. Within minutes,
I could smell coffee in the room, and I thought,
this is this is quite fun. Would it have woken
me up? I don't think so. I think it would

(01:50:54):
be quite good if it actually made me a coffee.
And of course the hotel rooms don't have windows, so
you can't vent that stuff.

Speaker 3 (01:51:02):
Out.

Speaker 13 (01:51:03):
So anyway, I have to say I made a video.
I've hopped it on my Facebook blogger at large page
so people can see my whole process. Look, it's fun.
It's a gimmick. You have to request it when you
make your booking. It's not just coming standard per room.
But I really found it quite enjoyable. And I chose
not to do the muffins in the end because you

(01:51:24):
sniff them all first and you decide which one you
think is going to work for you, and it's a
lot of fun. It's really good.

Speaker 3 (01:51:29):
I love it. Although I think Megan has a very
good point. If there was a little coffee percolator that
that just kicked in at seven o'clock when you wanted
to wake up, made you the coffee and smells of coffee,
how good would that be. I can understand the lingering
of other people's smells might be a bit of an
issue as well. Anyway, great story, love it, Thank you
so much, Meghan. Joan is up next.

Speaker 1 (01:51:47):
Books with Winkles for the best election of Great Reads.

Speaker 3 (01:51:52):
Joan, good morning, good morning, love you to have you
with us. Trent Dalton, who is a friend of the show.
We love Trent Dalton has a new book out which
is very exciting.

Speaker 23 (01:52:01):
Yes, we do love him. I love his books, as
you know. They're mostly set in Brisbane and he writes
brilliantly about the dispossessed, the underclass, the underbelly of Brisbane,
which I think is one of the most notable features
of his writing. This one's a bit different. It's about
a guy called Noah Cork who should be on top
of the world. He's a journalist and he's just had

(01:52:22):
published a true crime book about the murder of a
woman called Tams and Fellows, and it's at the top
of the bestseller lists, and so he should be having
his real moment in the sun. But he's tormented by
the story of her murder, and also by the person
who committed the murder, who has not yet been found
but is kind of haunting poor old Noah. And Noah

(01:52:45):
lives with his wife and two daughters. And in this book,
the way that Trent writes these women is just wonderful.
They're strong, interesting characters, and Noah is a bit hapless.
He wants to be the best father and husband that
he can be. He's pretty much neglected his family for
the six months that it took him to write this book,
but he just doesn't know how to go about being

(01:53:06):
the best guy. And one day he goes into the
bathroom of the family home and somebody in the condensation
on the mirror in the bathroom has written gravity, let
me Go. And he's trying to figure out this riddle
and what it means and where it fits into his life.

Speaker 3 (01:53:22):
He always writes something which he is familiar with in
a sense. And of course he was a journalist, wasn't he. Yes,
and his poor wife did kind of hold everything together
while he started writing novels. And you know there's just
these little moments when you were telling that story that
you know that he's drawn on his own experience.

Speaker 23 (01:53:41):
Well, that would be why he says that this is
his most personal book yet.

Speaker 3 (01:53:44):
Oh look at me there we go. Can't wait to
read it. Philippa Gregory has a new book out she does.

Speaker 23 (01:53:51):
It's called Berlin Traitor, and for fans of historical fiction
or Philippa Gregory, many listeners might remember her book The
Other Berlin Girl and the other historical work she's done.
I absolutely adored this. I found it really hard to
put it down. It's told from the perspective of Jane Berlin,
who was Anne Berlin's sister, and so you get the

(01:54:12):
Court of Henry the Eighth told from a very female perspective.
And Jane Berlin was a senior lady in waiting for
five of Henry the Eight's wives, and so you're with
her as she essentially works through the lives of each
of the wives. And Philip Gregory said, in writing this book,
she wanted to set the record straight because some of
these women have been so maligned by history and for

(01:54:34):
centuries they've been ridiculed or talked about in bad ways.
For instance, she says that Anne of Cleves was portrayed
as being ugly and fat, but in fact, the ugly
and fat person in that court was the king himself.

Speaker 3 (01:54:47):
I just loved it. I loved the history.

Speaker 23 (01:54:50):
I loved these women, and as I read it increasingly
through the book, it seemed to me that there were
parallels with modern day things that are going on in
the world at the moment, and certainly a lot of
what happened back then in history has not been confined
to that period of time.

Speaker 3 (01:55:05):
Sorry, I'm putting you on this bottle, but when did
she last release a novel.

Speaker 23 (01:55:09):
Oh it was some years ago and have not in
the Berlin SERI.

Speaker 3 (01:55:12):
Yes, it feels like it was. So this will be
because I know a lot of people absolutely love and
it's a great bigger in this genre and things. Ah,
there we go. Good to hear those two books we
spoke about today, Gravity let Me Go by Trent Dalton
and Bolin Traitor by Philippa Gregory. Thank you so much,
see you next.

Speaker 1 (01:55:30):
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Speaker 3 (01:55:38):
Thank you so much for joining me today on the
Sunday Session. Next week, fabulous show lined up for you.
Melanie Lynsky is going to be with us. I'm so
excited about this. I'm such a big fan anyway. She
is phenomenal in the film Pipe River. We're going to
talk about that and Peter Matthias. She has a new
book out it's called It's been six weeks since my
last Confession, so really looking forward to talking to her

(01:55:59):
as well. Thank you to Carrey for producing the show.
Thanks for all your texts. Jason Pine is up next,
going to finish with a little bit of Teddy Swims.
He of course is performing at the NRL Grand Final
tonight kickoff, while the build upstart's at about eight forty
five pm, so not so late tonight. I think I
can manage that. Enjoy the rest of your afternoon. Take care.

Speaker 1 (01:56:37):
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