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Speaker 1 (00:06):
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Speaker 2 (00:28):
Good morning and welcome to the Sunday Session. I'm Francisco
bud Can with you until mid day. Hope you long
weekend is going well. Got the terrible weather hit you.
I hoped you'd had a moment of respite, a moment
to start the recovery. Looks like there's a little bit
more bad weather on the way as well. So not
hugely impressed with spring so far. Right on the show's
day that, we're going to catch up with Bill Bailey.

(00:48):
He's in New Zealand with his vaudevillion show. He's going everywhere,
which impresses me. He's not just short quick stops when
he comes to New Zealand. We're going to talk comedy, pets, crafts,
and OMRU. After eleven, Paul Henry graces us with his
presence to talk about the Chase. Yes, the Keywi version
is coming our way. Can you find out just how
daunting it was to step into Bradley's shoes and what

(01:10):
kind of a contestant Paul would make. Paul Henry is
with me after eleven and never one New Zealand have
made a decision about Dame nol Lean. We will get
the details on this very shortly, and of course, as always,
you're most welcome to text me throughout the morning. Ninety
two ninety.

Speaker 3 (01:23):
Two the Sunday session.

Speaker 2 (01:27):
So yesterday on Jack's Thames Show, I was talking about
the new Springsteen film Springsteen Deliver Me from Nowhere. It's
just had our cinemas and Jack asked me why there
have been so many music biopics recently, and it got
me thinking about how musicians and their origin stories and
struggles with fame have always made for good films and
we've always made them. But Jack is right. There have

(01:50):
been quite a few biopics about musicians recently. Think Better
Man about Robbie Williams, A Complete Unknown about Bob Dylan,
Bob Marley, One Love Back to Black about Amy Winehouse,
and there's plenty more to come. In twenty twenty eight,
each Beatle is getting their own film thanks to director
Sam Mendes. The truth of the matter is probably that

(02:10):
they make money. Marvel and comic book superhero cinema dominance
is cooling off, and so in recent years, Hollywood has
turned to the music barbic genre to replace it, and
it kind of makes sense. Really, Like comic book heroes,
many of these artists' lives is steeped in the mythology
perfect to mine for drama, and their stories are part
of pop culture. Apart from paying for music rights, they

(02:33):
aren't too expensive to make either. And look, we love them.
We love the comfort of their familiarity and a bit
of nostalgia. The music industry also love them because it
is a wonderful way for the industry to reconnect an
artists with their audience and create new fans. The Springsteen
movie is about the making of his acoustic folk inspired

(02:53):
album Nebraska. I listened to the album in the car
on the way home from watching the film, so tick
job done for me. The genre was revitalized in two
thousand and five with Walk the Line, which told the
story of flawed genius Johnny Cash and his wife June's relationship.
It told it warts and all, and around that time,

(03:14):
Ray About Ray Charles was also released, as was Control,
the story of the Troubled Life and Times of En Curtis,
lead singer of the new wave band Joy Division, and
since then we have been tapping our toes and reliving
our own relationships with the music of Elvis, or Alton John,
Freddie Mercury and NWA. As popular as the genre is
and as much as we enjoy the ride, it is

(03:35):
tricky for filmmakers to get these films right, though, isn't
it Because artists' stories often follow the same narrative beats,
so they can be a bit samey. But it can
also be a risk taking a unique approach. Taking on
a lead role can be rewarding for actors in award season,
but fans a judge when watching an interpretation of their heroes.
Springsteen delivered Me from Nowhere as a good case and point.

(03:58):
Aside from a few concert scenes, mostly we watch Springsteen
record an album in his bedroom and a little bit
in the studio while slipping into depression. It's hard, glossy, mainstream,
rollicking ride. But look, hey, if you're looking for something
to watch this long weekend and watching Jeremy Allen White
as Bruce Springsteen isn't you'll think? Then hunt out some
of our own music stories which have been turned into

(04:19):
excellent documentaries. Marlon Williams Two Worlds, The Chills, The Triumph
and Tragedy of Martin Phillips, Alien Weaponry, Love This One,
Thrash Metal, Love It, She Had, Beautiful Machine, Heavenly Pop,
It's the Flying Nun Story. So many good choices, and
it is also worth noting Life in One Chord, The
Shane Carter Story, will be available to rent from doc
Play from November sixth All beautifully told stories that enrich

(04:44):
our lives. The Sunday Session, So I love to hear
from you if you have got a little bit of
a favorite, if you've got a favorite flick about a musician,
all the ones that you think really missed the boat
and upset you a little bit. And of course if
you want to know where to watch any of these films,
just head to flick Dot, Colon and Z they'll point
you in the right direction. Coming up next, Netball New

(05:04):
Zealand has confirmed day Dame Nonlean Total has been reinstated
as Silver Fern's head coach. We're going to get a
debrief from Nathan Limb on this and we're also getting
to get to the US for the latest on the
military escalation in the Caribbean. Most welcome to text anytime,
ninety two, ninety two, welcome five.

Speaker 4 (05:23):
Well this week, I guess it's two years done now.

Speaker 2 (05:29):
William Sam talk about.

Speaker 5 (05:31):
The time, she says.

Speaker 1 (05:34):
She starts heap it simple.

Speaker 3 (05:40):
It's Sunday, The Sunday.

Speaker 1 (05:41):
Session with Francesca Rudkin and Wiggles for the best selection
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Speaker 3 (05:47):
Talks endb.

Speaker 2 (05:49):
It is fifteen past nine.

Speaker 3 (05:51):
Right.

Speaker 2 (05:51):
A resolution has been found on the ongoing Silver Ferns
coaching saga. Netball New Zealand has confirmed Dame Nolean Toto
has been reinstated as Silver Fern's head coach. She will
return to the role at the end of the year.
And to discuss I'm joined by the New Zealand Herald
Netball reporter Nathan Limo.

Speaker 6 (06:06):
Morning morning, Francesca.

Speaker 2 (06:07):
Thank you for popping in to talk to us about this.
What have you made of this? Did Netball New Zealand
basically have no choice here?

Speaker 6 (06:16):
It's difficult, he I think they had to bow to
public pressure. I'd actually got to the point I said
on herold Now earlier this week that I thought that
this has gone on so long. It's been six weeks
since she was stood down, ten days out from the
Tiny Jamison series. I felt like it got to the
point where if they wanted her back, she'd be back.
You know, how long does it take to move through

(06:36):
these sort of discussions and we still don't know what
the sticking points were. So I'm actually going to be
talking to Netbor New Zealand chief executive Jenny Wiley and
the board chair Matt Winner at ten forty five this morning,
So I'm going to be putting all these questions to
them and people will be able to read about it
in the New Zealand Herald are later this afternoon. But
you're right, it's been a complete mess. If we take

(06:56):
this all the way back to the January camp where
apparently this all went down, it just feels like an
h armiss.

Speaker 2 (07:03):
Yeah, it just feels like it's an Edmund.

Speaker 6 (07:05):
But it never should have got to this point because
if it dates all the way back to January, they've
had what has it been nine months since then? Nine
ten months they've had to sort of work through a
resolution here and we again we don't know the details
and what's that sort of resulted in? Is we got
to the point where they're like, oh crap, we've got
a standard down ahead of the Tiny Jamison series. And

(07:27):
then the public, with their understandable loyalty to Todea and
everything that she's achieved in her career one of the
greatest coaches, if not the greatest, that Silver Fans have
ever had, wanted to hold someone accountable and that came
in the form of the players. But because of the
position that they were in in terms of a contractual
agreement around employment, they are unable to release any information,
and so the public have gone on this sort of

(07:49):
witch hunt to identify which players which is really complained Yeah,
because no one has any of the context necessary to
make those conclusions over who is actually at fault, and
then players who haven't been involved have ended up being
dragged under the bus.

Speaker 2 (08:03):
What do we know about the agreement that has been
reached here?

Speaker 6 (08:06):
So basically, they put out a release at six pm
last night and they said that they have their discussions
over they have been able to come to an agreement
and Total has agreed to certain changes within the Silver
Ferns environment, particularly with player voice and player driven voice,
but also some personnel changes. Now there aren't any specifics

(08:28):
of what those are or what any of this actually
looks in practical terms. So again, this is something that
I'll put to the Netball New Zealand leadership this morning
and hopefully we can get some clarity around it, because,
as I said, throughout this whole process, clarity and information
has been very hard to come by.

Speaker 2 (08:42):
Well, what I don't understand is they put out a
press release it's said that no Only will return is
silver Fern's head coach effective today, but the interim coaching
appointments will remain in place until the conclusion of the
Northern tourist So is she back or not she.

Speaker 6 (08:56):
Yeah, It doesn't really make sense, does it, because it
did say you're right, it said quote effective today, she's back.

Speaker 2 (09:01):
In today, but she's not back coaching until.

Speaker 6 (09:03):
Yes, the interim coaching set up will remain in place
to the end of the Northern Tour so as to
prevent disruption to the current team. So basically we've got
still got two Constellation Cup tests, one a day, one
later in the week, and after that there's I think
it's like ten twelve days before the first test in Scotland,

(09:24):
and so to prevent disruption and changing the whole leadership
of the Ferns. That will leave vit Mcausonuriy and Lean
Eliot in charge. The question is why can't Total at
least go along and be part of it, part of
the Northern tour because we've got the Commonwealth Games the
middle of next year. There is not many games between
now and when New Zealand are competing in the Commonwealth Games,

(09:45):
and when they play Scotland, they're going to be playing
at the venue in which they will play at the
Commonwealth Game. It makes sense to have her there.

Speaker 2 (09:52):
Okay, And we don't know if she's going to be
on the tour at the moment. We think she's not.

Speaker 6 (09:55):
Yeah, I'm going to put this, I'll find out.

Speaker 2 (10:00):
Is it going to be an easy process for Noline
to return to coaching this team.

Speaker 6 (10:05):
You'd imagine that there would be a certain amount of
tension because regardless of what's been said, obviously there is
division between the Ferns. At the moment, some players were
fully in support, as we saw with Grace Weki, which
I thought was her speech after that tiny Jamison game
was the most refreshing. Honest, we needed that, we needed
some honesty and someone being authentic throughout this whole thing.

(10:28):
So I applaud her for that, but obviously there were
players who disagreed and we're not on board with the
way Total was running the team. So the big question
is when Total comes back to the Helm, can she
unite this group of players, because obviously she was offside
with a few of them. Can they put all of
this behind them because there's a lot of emotional baggage
that would have come from this. Players have been copying

(10:49):
crap from the public for months now, for weeks as
they try to figure out the public who to hold
accountable for this, So that will be a huge challenge
for Total, And I think maybe we've seen I suppose
the disruption reflected on the court in terms of the
Silver Fans sort of heavy losses, but I would put
the you know, the Constellation Cup defeats, they had one

(11:11):
bad quarter in each game, so I'm not sure how
much you can read into that, but that is a
huge challenge for Total or to actually unite this group
under her leadership.

Speaker 2 (11:21):
How damaging do you think this whole saga has been
to Netbor, New Zealand.

Speaker 6 (11:24):
Hugely, hugely damaging because Not only is this sort of
a thing that New Zealanders have reacted to and gone wow,
this is you know, a national coach that has been
stood down. And this whole situation's really embarrassing because this
has happened on the world stage. This is something that
Australian media has been across, that British media has been across.

(11:46):
We have had basically a complete meltdown in front of
the entire world and everyone is aware of it and
commenting on it and following it along with the sort
of saga and the sort of the drip feeding of
information or lack thereof. So I think it's been hugely
damaging to the sport, especially if you know, if you're

(12:06):
a parent, and you are you have kids who are
growing up playing netball, you want them if they are
really enthusiastic about netble and they say I want to
play for the sort of fans. As a parent, you
want to know that that's a career that potentially is
going to be there. And with the last couple of
years we've had this broadcast steal drama, not knowing if
there's going to be an A and Z premiership next

(12:27):
year and that still isn't really sorted because we've only
got a one year deal with TV and Z for
next season. You don't know that there's going to be
a job and how much faith do you have in
the leadership given what they've overseen over the last few months.

Speaker 2 (12:40):
So there's a lot more going on with netball New
Zealand and just this particular one.

Speaker 6 (12:44):
There's a lot more going on. It's been a really,
really tough couple of years for the sport in New Zealand.

Speaker 2 (12:49):
As you mentioned, they were unavailable, they didn't want to
talk to us until ten thirty. Maybe getting some ducks
in a row, maybe, Nathan, before they talk.

Speaker 6 (12:56):
To you Saturday morning, they can have a sleep fair enough.

Speaker 2 (12:59):
You mentioned you've got quite a few things you want
to ask them, but what else are you hoping to
hear from them this morning?

Speaker 7 (13:06):
Well?

Speaker 6 (13:06):
I also want to hear I suppose apart from the
you know that getting the ducks in a row in
terms of what actually happened, why did it take so long?
There was a line in the release about the release
the investigation and the discussions found that Toto's integrity was
not in question at all. Okay, Well, if that's the case,
why did it take so long to come to this resolution?
You know it was it was a long time, so

(13:28):
there must have been some real sticking points that they
just could not agree on. So what were they? But also,
is anyone going to be I suppose held accountable for
this whole thing because no one's resigned, no one said down,
Toto is coming back in all of the personnalities. They
said there'd be some personnel changes, so what are those?
And is anyone from the leadership going to be accountable
for overseeing this entire thing?

Speaker 2 (13:49):
You're actually heading after Hamilton this afternoon to watch the
Silver Ferns in Australia. I think it would be very
interesting for you to talk to the crowd and find
it get there sort of you know the fans response.

Speaker 3 (13:58):
To all this.

Speaker 2 (13:59):
But do you think that the Silver Ferns can turn
it around this afternoon against Australia?

Speaker 6 (14:04):
I actually do. I actually do. And the re is because,
as I mentioned before, through those if you just look
at the scores of those opening Constellation Cup tests, they
got flogged. But if you watch the games, three quarters
of each game they were sticking with the Australian. So
if they can put together a complete performance. Yes, they
can be there or thereabouts, but it is clear that
the Australian Diamonds are sort of on another level. Maybe

(14:26):
with this news and with the crowd support, the Silver
Ferns can put out a full four quarter performance. But yeah,
I think we have the personnel to upset the Aussies.
Winning defending the Constellation Cup from here is a long ass.
They have to win both of the games and then
we go to a period of extra time sort of
do or die playoff. But I think they can do it.

Speaker 2 (14:44):
Yes, like the positivity. Nathan, then, thank you so much
for coming in and talking us through all that. As
Nathan said, he'll be updating us on all this and
the questions that we can't quite answer yet from Netborne,
New Zealand this morning. You'll be able to find that
zherld dot co dot NZ and Elliot Smith will also
be talking to Netborne, New Zealand after midday. It is

(15:04):
twenty four past.

Speaker 3 (15:05):
Nine the Sunday session, warning.

Speaker 2 (15:10):
One misstep from the US could result in a small
war with Venezuela. This is after the US announced it
was sending aircraft carrier to Latin America. It's a major
escalation of military build up in the area, and US
correspondent Dan Mitchison is with me. Now, good morning, Good morning.
How big an escalation is this?

Speaker 8 (15:30):
Well, I mean that's a good question. I think that's
yet to be seen. And you hit the nail on
the head right there. If your listeners are wondering, Yes,
deploying an aircraft carrier of this size, it's the USS
gerald Ford is a major escalation of military power. And yes,
we've already seen an unusually large build up I think

(15:50):
in the Caribbean and the waters off Venezuela, and we've
conducted I think it's ten strikes now on these suspected
drug running boats.

Speaker 7 (15:57):
And the President says he's not going to stop.

Speaker 2 (16:00):
What is this about for Trump and his administration? And
actually is it about Trump or is it more about
Marco Rubio driving this?

Speaker 7 (16:07):
Ah boy?

Speaker 8 (16:08):
That is another good question. There have been a number
of articles written in the paper, a couple that I've
been peruising through this morning, and one from the I
think it was the La Times said that basically this
is the Trump administration banking on the idea that it
can get away with the boat bombings and they've had,
you know, forty three people that have died, and they say,

(16:32):
or at least people in the White House field, that
anyone who might have any kind of sympathy or doubt
deserves aggression as well. So I think this is Trump
just trying to make his presence felt. I think he's
trying to live up to promises of cutting down on
drugs running into the US that he had made during
his his campaign. And yeah, and that's kind of where

(16:53):
we aren't with this whole situation too. And then you've
got the president of course of Venezuela's who's accusing the
US of fabricating this new war and saying, well, you're
doing this and it's and it's illegal. But yet we
see the you know, the drug trail kind of leads
back there as well.

Speaker 3 (17:08):
To the US.

Speaker 2 (17:09):
We have seen a group of Republican senators pretty much
join the Democrats to just remind Trump that they, you know,
he cannot go to war without the consent. There are
people calling for congressional oversight on this.

Speaker 7 (17:23):
Yeah, you're right, you're right.

Speaker 8 (17:24):
You've got members of the US Congress, both Democrats and Republicans,
who continue to raise concerns about how legal this is,
how legal. Are these strikes? Does the president have authority
to order them? But one of the things I think
that we've seen, especially this week with President Trump, well
it goes back a lot more than this week, but
I'm thinking of the destruction of the East Room with

(17:46):
the at the White House. That is something that he
had needed prior authorization to do, and he went ahead
and did it.

Speaker 7 (17:53):
Anyway, it's the same with this.

Speaker 8 (17:56):
I think, you know, there are these concerns that he
should have gone about this through the proper channels, which
he didn't. Instead, he's giving the orders directly, and you
know those orders are being followed. But again, this will
go back to the legality of the whole situation.

Speaker 2 (18:11):
Right now and at the moment, all the action has
taken place on the water, but there is some concern
with this kind of firepower in the region that it
could move on land. Do you anticipate that.

Speaker 8 (18:24):
I would think that the President wants to keep boots
off the ground at this point, and the Trump is
continuing to accuse Maduro of being the leader of these
drug trafficking organizations, and I think he's seeing some results
right now not having boots on the ground, They're getting

(18:44):
some results from just firing these attacks on the water.
There are fears, I think in Venezuela two that the
build up is aimed at removing the president of that
country from office. And he's been a long time opponent.
I mean, there's no secret of President Trump, and the
US just doesn't recognize him as Venezuela's legitimate leader right now.

(19:05):
After the election they had last year, they said, you know,
this wasn't a free election. This wasn't a fair election.
So I think when the president gets a b and
his bonnet and he takes things personally as he does
with this, I think he will continue to go after
this until there is a resolution of some sort.

Speaker 2 (19:25):
So that's potentially the endgame here, the toppling of President Maduro.

Speaker 7 (19:30):
One would think. So.

Speaker 8 (19:31):
I mean, obviously, drugs is has been a big concern
in this country for some time. Usually it's Mexico that
the president goes after, and he has to a certain
extent right now, and there have been with the trade
wars going on right now, conversations with Mexico's president about okay,
we're going to pull back on those trade wars if
you ease up on the drug situation, or you crack

(19:53):
down on the drug situation and try to get the
supply lowered here into the US. And I think it's
the same thing with that country, but it's also a
little bit more. I think that they want they want
him out of Venezuela as their leader.

Speaker 2 (20:04):
Which kind of explained. You know, there's all US talk
about Venezuela and the fentanyl and things, but they are
not a major source of intanyl and even not really
a major source of cocaine. It kind of explains a
reason that's been given that doesn't quite make sense.

Speaker 7 (20:22):
Well it does.

Speaker 8 (20:24):
I mean, the cartels are obviously bad. Drugs are bad.
You know that Marco Rubio has said. Bottom line, these
are drug boats that are coming in and if people
want to stop seeing the drug boats blow up, stop
sending drugs to the United States. But as you mentioned,
it's not just that country. I mean, Mexico is a huge,
huge importer of drugs to our south. We've got Canada

(20:45):
to the north, and we know that there's situations going
on with the trade deals and the trade wars with
that country. You've got Asia, You've got you've got European,
Eastern European countries too that have come into this, so
it's it's more than just one. It's just it's like
you know, bees to honey for for lack of a
better analogy, right now, they see that the supply and

(21:07):
the demand is here in the US, and it's an
easy way to make money. And we've got our own
drug issues here too. I mean it's it's not like
you have to look outside of the borders to find
someone to blame for this.

Speaker 7 (21:20):
I mean it's it's a huge problem here in the US.

Speaker 2 (21:23):
It's Mexico or Colombia or other lave in the American countries concerned.

Speaker 7 (21:27):
I don't know if they're concerned right now.

Speaker 8 (21:29):
I think you've got the cartels that are probably more
concerned than everybody else, you know, trying to take a
big bite out of their their their trade and the
money that comes with it too. And I think you've
got people on this side of the border. I mean,
you know, we have a gateway down where I live
or used to live in southern California, uh Tijuana, that.

Speaker 7 (21:51):
That is a is a border cross. And you've got.

Speaker 8 (21:54):
Texas which is a huge, huge gateway for drugs right here.
And then you've got you move over to Florida, and
you've got the drugs coming in off the coast right there,
and that's been that's been a huge issue, especially from
the Caribbean for some time.

Speaker 2 (22:09):
Dan, could this be another Panama? What do you think
the fallout could be from all this?

Speaker 8 (22:15):
I'd be lying, I think if I told you I
had the answer to that, because I think we see
things with this administration change so rapidly. You know, previous administrations,
you would get a lot of talk, there'd be a
lot of back and forth between Republicans and Democrats, and
then something might get issued. Most of the time it
was an economic sanction. But I think Trump has decided
to skip all that this time, and he says, you know,

(22:37):
we were done talking. It's time to get action and
let's show people that we can do something. And that's
what's got a lot of people concerned right now.

Speaker 2 (22:46):
Dan Mitchinsons always thank you so much for your time.
Really appreciate it.

Speaker 7 (22:50):
My pleasure.

Speaker 2 (22:51):
That was US correspondent Dan Mitchinson. It is twenty seven
to ten.

Speaker 1 (22:59):
It's the Sunday session with Francesca Rudkin on News Talks at.

Speaker 2 (23:03):
B Thank you very much for your takes. A sworn
Francisca Netbare, New Zealand will not disclose anything as usual,
claiming hr confidentiality. Good luck another one here. It seems
to me like will New Zealand have really stuffed things
up Ultimately, I think the government in New Zealand Sport, however,
sees the money payout brought it to a semi conclusion. Malcolm,
I think I think it was him to the point.
What was everyone was having to say? And it was

(23:25):
getting a bit ridiculous and it was time to bring
it to an end. You might be right there, lind
text to say, don't forget about the Elvis movie. Really
enjoyed it, especially where he came from. Presume you thinking
about the recent one by Baz Luhman that was really good.
Kurt Russell played him in an Elvis film in nineteen
seventy nine as well, and he was really good. Francisca,
I was disappointed in your review of the Springsteen movie yesterday.

(23:47):
I really wanted to see it. I think he's one
of our best rock stars and he isma's and he's
about fantastic. It just depends what you want. If you
want the rock and roll, if you want lots of
concert scenes, if you want lots of music to get
you know, and energy and things, it's probably not the
film for you. If you are interested in watching tortured
artists kind of create an album in their bedroom on

(24:09):
the studio and things, than it is to your I
actually did enjoy it, but I just making the point
it might not be for everybody. Thank you very much
for your text. Ninety two ninety two. It's time to
talk politics now and I'm joined by Newstalk ZB Political
Report Ethan Griffiths. Good morning, Ethan, Good morning Francesca.

Speaker 9 (24:27):
Hey.

Speaker 2 (24:27):
I believe the Prime Minister left yesterday for Malaysia and Apeck.
Is that correct?

Speaker 5 (24:33):
This morning?

Speaker 10 (24:33):
Actually about half an hour ago?

Speaker 2 (24:35):
Ok? Okay, So what's he doing in Malaysia.

Speaker 10 (24:38):
Well, he's going over there to take part in the
East Asia Summer that's of course, with the big Asian
leaders plus US, Australia and the US. Now it's a
pretty important meeting. President Donald Trump is attending the meeting
this year, which is kind of unusual. It appears he's
taken a bit of an interest in trying to broke
out a peace deal between Cambodia and Thailand after some

(24:59):
border squirmishes. Earlier this year. Now, Luxan of course will
be focused on trade, Asia our biggest trade market, and
Southeast Asia growing very very fast, so expect a few
meetings with Asian leaders there, but the details of who
with we aren't sure yet.

Speaker 2 (25:16):
Okay, I'm look. I know that there's gonna be a
lot going on, but I think in the next week
everyone's going to really have their eyes on Trump and shushiping,
aren't they.

Speaker 5 (25:24):
Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 10 (25:25):
And of course that meeting will be taking place at APEC,
which is straight after the East Asia Summit. Trump will
be there Canada's leader, President She, Japan's new prime minister,
who Trump is also meeting with, so that meeting between
Trump and She is going to be absolutely the biggest
highlight of the APEC event. Trump has kind of threatened

(25:47):
that he might not go ahead with it, depending on
what happens with China's response to some of his latest tariffs,
but we'll see what happens there. And of course Luxem
will be holding out for a meeting himself.

Speaker 5 (26:00):
He's only ever.

Speaker 10 (26:00):
Spoken to Trump once on the phone, they've never properly met,
so he'll certainly be hoping for a meeting there. But
while lots of time is reserved for bilateral meetings at
both the East Summit and APEC. There are no confirmed
meetings with any leaders yet.

Speaker 2 (26:15):
Okay, I'm sure that trade is kind of top of
the list of things that's going to be discussed.

Speaker 5 (26:19):
Yeah, without doubt.

Speaker 10 (26:20):
I mean, New Zealand is currently on a slightly higher
tariff rate than the base. Christah Luxen will be hoping,
of course that new helicopters and planes that we're ordering
from the United States will help with that. Obviously, New
Zealand is in a what's called a trade deficit with
the United States, very marginal, so I think there is
lots of room there for the US to sort of

(26:42):
have a look at our case and think, actually, these
guys are all right, we have a pretty even trade
trade relationship, so potentially some room there for moves on
the tariffs. But of course we'll have to wait and
see on that. Trump is pretty set in his ways
when it comes to tariffs.

Speaker 2 (26:57):
Ethan really quickly Labor released it's future fun policy this week.
Has it been received.

Speaker 10 (27:03):
Yeah, I mean it's only taken two years, hasn't it.
The finally bringing some ideas to the table. I mean
the problem here is putting the merits of the policy aside.
It's very very light on detail. It's kind of like
the Superfund, that's what they're comparing it to. But it
will only be four Kiwi projects, nothing overseas, few problems.

(27:23):
They're going to see it with two hundred million dollars
of government funding as well as government assets. They haven't
said what assets there's going to be. The problem is
those assets return a fair chunk of money six hundred
million dollars and dividends every year. Now if they're all
going into the fund, then the government's left with a
pretty sizable hole in its box. So that's of course

(27:43):
been the criticism from the National Party. New Zealand First
have got quite a different criticism. They claim that the
idea was stolen from them, so an interesting criticism there.
But of course we need to wait and see for
the party's fiscal plan to actually see, you know, how
they're going.

Speaker 5 (27:59):
To fund this.

Speaker 2 (28:00):
Thank you so much, Ethan, really appreciate your time. This morning.
It is twenty to.

Speaker 1 (28:03):
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Speaker 2 (28:11):
It is seventeen to ten now a bold tag. It
has been set by one of our environmental charities through
Kiwi Schools National Environmental Education and Restoration Program. Trees for
Survival has planted one million trees and shrubs. But why
stop there? This set a new lofty goal to plant
one million more by twenty thirty. Sally click from Trees
for Survival joins me. Now, good morning, Sally.

Speaker 11 (28:34):
Oh Aina.

Speaker 2 (28:35):
What would it take to get another than million trees
planted in five years?

Speaker 11 (28:41):
Well, we've probably planted over two million trees up to now,
but we started counting probably not in our very first year.
Tree for Survival has been flying under the radar for
about thirty years now, thirty four years actually from when
it first started. So to get another million trees in
the ground we've planted, we're just tallying out the last trees.

Speaker 2 (29:03):
Now.

Speaker 11 (29:03):
We've planted one hundred and seventy thousand this year with
two hundred and thirty three schools. So I've just done
the sums on that, and that takes us to nine
hundred and ninety nine thousand, five hundred and seventy or something. So,
and we are taking on between ten and thirty school
new schools each. I think we might even do it
in four years.

Speaker 2 (29:22):
What do you think, Well, why not just tell us
a little bit about Trees for Survival and what you do.

Speaker 11 (29:28):
Treval was a rotary initiated program that started about thirty
four years ago with the Rotary Club in Pakaranga East
and they started off with the view that and it
was a very lofty goal really, you know, to sort
of think back in nineteen ninety that we should have
trees for survival and we what we do is we

(29:49):
get we work with schools and we will And the
unique thing about True for Survival is that the school children,
the students feel that these are their trees because they're
growing them at school. So we don't take them out
to nurseries and do it there. They have a nursery
which we provide in their school. They will grow between
eight hundred and one thousand native seedlings which are all

(30:10):
ecosourced for their area, and those trees then are planted
out as a local site. So these sites are assessed
by our facilitators and then they're monitored for three years
after planting.

Speaker 2 (30:23):
And it's not just about planting, it's also there's quite
a bit of education involved in this too.

Speaker 11 (30:28):
Yes, I mean, when I got out of a planting
day and I talk for a group of students, you know,
it started off where I'd say to students, right, what
are the benefits of doing this? And they'd say things
like firewood or wood ships, and it was very much
thinking about what we get out of it, and it
was just changing that mindset to thinking, Okay, think bigger,
think planet, you know, what are the benefits And then

(30:49):
they would start thinking about, oh, birds, maybe you know,
food of the birds, habitat for the birds. And then
they think about the stream that they were planting alongside,
and they would say, oh, okay, yeah, we're filtering the runoff,
we're clearing up that stream were so they'd see all
those other benefits. So from that we decided that that
was quite a big ass to say for the teacher.

(31:10):
Now follow that up in the classroom. So we have
written an education resource which we'll go into schools and
it's curriculum aligned. We've had to sort of make sure
with all the different changes of curriculum that we've got
it curriculum aligned. So that is now something that is
in the classroom and it makes it easier for the
teachers and bearing in mind that a lot of our
students and teachers are coming from overseas and don't know

(31:34):
our native trees.

Speaker 3 (31:34):
You know.

Speaker 11 (31:35):
I've had conversations with one teacher said to me, I
don't know the difference between a flax and apahoda kawa.
So we thought, okay, right, we know where we're starting.
Let's let's get a resource out there that helps people
to learn about the native trees and then know the
benefits of putting them in the ground in the right place.

Speaker 2 (31:51):
Sally, We've got a real focus at the moment on
you know, getting our kids into the classroom reading and
writing and doing their mess and things in it, and
that is very important. But I mean, I can remember
doing this at my primary school in the late seventies
and early eighties. I feel like schools we've been planned
for years, decades. What do the kids get out of
something like this?

Speaker 11 (32:13):
Oh, it's amazing, and I think, you know, I had
a conversation with a primary school student recently who was
obviously really concerned about all these big weather events and
things that they had heard about climate change, and I
sort of had to say, listen, you can't solve that
problem you by yourself. But what you can do is
you can get out into your back yard and you
can do something about your local stream and about your

(32:36):
local area. And then you know your contribution. People all
those benefits we've just talked about, You know that you're
contributing to this and you're helping. And if everybody did that,
and you could sort of see this sense of relief
from this small child who had taken on all this
worry and he ended up saying, right, I'm going to
go back home to my mum and tell her I've
done something to save the planet today. But there's that,

(32:58):
you know, so at that age. But also often when
you're talking to primary school children, they asked the really
big questions. You know that within five minutes of starting
they'll say, well, what's soil made of?

Speaker 12 (33:09):
Well? Why is it?

Speaker 11 (33:10):
You know, and all these questions just keep coming at you,
you know, and and it's very interesting to let them
have those discussions and just listen in as they're planting,
when they find wounds and they find insects, and then
renaming all the insects and that sort of experiential learning
that I think is so important. And this is this
is why I think true to survival is so valued.

(33:33):
We had schools that started with thirty odd years ago
and they're still with us. We're now planting the children
of the parents who did the program with us.

Speaker 13 (33:41):
Oh, I love it.

Speaker 11 (33:42):
It's great, isn't it so? And then that's been passed
on and the parents come along to health. But that
you did, you know, we did this and we loved it.

Speaker 2 (33:50):
Now I can, as I said, Sally, I can remember
doing it myself as well. Thank you so much and
best of lag Well, I think your team might be
a little but freaked out that you've just brought the
deadline for it a year early. That was Sally klig
there for from Trees for Survival. It is eleven to ten.

Speaker 3 (34:05):
The headline and the hard questions. It's the Mic Hosking breakfast.

Speaker 5 (34:09):
When I read the headline this morning, a defining moment
in our history?

Speaker 3 (34:13):
Is it?

Speaker 14 (34:14):
I don't see it that way at all. I said,
there as a moment where accumulated frustration was expressed. Those
messages have been sent many times, We've heard them. It
doesn't solve anything. Getting back and finding a way forward
is the only way to get through this, and we
both parties have to be able to do it. We've
actually achieved settlements, so we know that we can do it.
We just need the unions to see it the same way.

(34:35):
We need to make trade offs. I've made significant trade offs.
They need to come to the party and be prepared
to make trade offs.

Speaker 11 (34:41):
I have not seen that yet.

Speaker 15 (34:43):
Back Tuesday from six am the Mic Hosking Breakfast with Baby's.

Speaker 1 (34:46):
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It's a Sunday session with Francesca Rudgin and Wiggles for
the best selection of great reads us talk ZEDB.

Speaker 16 (34:58):
O the Key in the Door and those hanging Attical
and they were like, you've got the leading and a
place you've got to be back in London and for
our hustles in May.

Speaker 2 (35:13):
This is west End Girl by Lily Allen. It is
the title track of her new album. It was released
on Friday. She's making a comeback after seven years. It's
her breakup album. This is the album that she's written
since her divorce from Stranger Things actor David Harper. It's
been described as melodrama for the over forty year olds.
So there we go. If you loved melodrama, you might

(35:34):
want to give it a go. It Also, her sort
of described is a little bit contradictory. It sort of
sounds lovely and light and poppy, but actually her lyrics
are pretty harsh, I believe. So anyway, if you're a
Lily Allen fan, she is back now. Roy texts me
to say, has Joe Waners fight? I'm sure it's this morning? Yes,
it is Joe Parker, Fabio Wadley kicking off ten thirty.

(35:57):
We think between ten and ten thirty will be across
at this morning, and Elliott Smith is with us later
he'll cover it off for us in Sport. This is
of course take place at in London. I've been told
by the boxing experts here at news Talks he'd be
that Wardley is unlikely to be Parker on points, He's

(36:19):
probably gonna need a knockout. Parker is the more experienced,
skilled and sharper boxer, but Wardley has really fast hands
and genuine knockout powers, so just got to watch out
for that. And of course don't forget Parker has only
look he's fought for five minutes this year, and I
think he had one fight in twenty twenty four. I
did hear him on Mike asking though, what a great
guy does a good interview, doesn't he Anyway, He's feeling

(36:39):
very positive and very fit and lock fingers cross. This
means that he, you know, if he nails us he
might get that fight with Usik that he has been
waiting for for so long. But then, once again, the
boxing experts tell me here at news Talks, he'd be.
They don't think that that is going to happen anyway.
We are across it, is what I'm trying to say, Roy,
I will keep an eye on it for you, even though,
to be honest with you, watching men punch each other

(37:00):
in the heads is not my favorite sport. But just
for you, I'll you know what what happens six to ten.

Speaker 1 (37:09):
The Sunday Session Full Show podcast on my Heart Radio
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Speaker 3 (37:14):
I'd be.

Speaker 2 (37:16):
Not a lot of people called Fabio these days, aren't there.
I mean, we were talking about it this morning in
the office and we're talking about Fabio, and of course
immediately the Mills and Boone model came into our minds.
Remember Fabio with the long hair and that very sort
of dramatic, romantic look. And my producer says, look, well,
I know about hammers that he got hit by a
goose on a roller coaster, at which point were so what,

(37:38):
that's all I know about him. He got hit by
a goose on a roller coaster and we went, what
are you talking about? Gurgled it. There's the photo, poor Fabio,
beautiful Fabio with blood all over his face on the
roller coaster, hit by goose. Anyway, don't know where that
came from. The multi talented Bill Bailey is with us next.
He's back in New Zealand during the whole Country with

(37:58):
his vaudevillion comedy show. He is going to join me
to talk about comedy. We're going to get an update
on the Home Zoo, which I hear got a little
out of control role. Also, we're going to talk about
the number of instruments he can play to. Also, if
you Bill Bailey does not strike me as a kind
of man who spends hours watching Netflix. He seems to
always have something on the guy he is with me.
Next five seconds of Summer take us to the news

(38:21):
they have announced an Auckland gig for October next year.

Speaker 3 (39:05):
It's Sunday. You know what that means.

Speaker 1 (39:07):
It's the Sunday Session with Francesca Rudkins and Wickles for
the best selection of grape reeds.

Speaker 3 (39:13):
New Stalk set me.

Speaker 2 (39:21):
Great to have you with us. It is seven past ten.
I'm Francisca with you until midday now. Bill Bailey has
a bit of a love affair with New Zealand. The
English comedian, musician, actor and star of cult classic Black
Books has been a regular to our shoes over the
last thirty years and he's back his new tour. It's
going to thirteen centers. It's called Vaudevillion. It starts this Wednesday,

(39:44):
and I'm very excited to have Bill Bailey here in
the studio. Bill, so lovely to have you.

Speaker 15 (39:48):
Welcome, Thank you very much.

Speaker 2 (39:49):
Do you know what I love about you? What's that
when you come to New Zealand, you don't just go
I'll go to three main centers and then I'll head
to sunny Australia. You do the country, You've got all
the far flung corners. Indeed, what is it that you
enjoy about that? Why do you do that?

Speaker 15 (40:06):
Well, it's I mean simply because it's a beautiful country
and there's a lot about it that I love it,
and it's kind of the sort of things that New
Zealand offers, the sort of things I would seek out
in any country that I have a bit of spare

(40:27):
time in it. That is getting amongst nature, trying to
see some of the bird life you have here, the
amazing flora and fauna which is unique to New Zealand
endemic in some cases. So that is a big draw
for me, and so every time I get a spare moment,
that's what I'll be trying to do. But also it's
just a very beautiful country to travel around, and any

(40:50):
chance I get, I'll be out there exploring.

Speaker 2 (40:53):
So have you learned to tour? Well? Have you learned
to tour in a way that, as you say, you
can have a moment and enjoy it rather than going, Okay,
I've got all these stops I have to make and
kind of churn through the work.

Speaker 15 (41:02):
Absolutely, yes, I mean that's the thing, you know, because
I still love touring and I love the experience of it.
But yes, I've learned to tour a bit better over
the years and allow time for those kinds of things
as well. So you know, and you have to get out.
I think that's the key thing with me, otherwise you
end up in a lot of hotel rooms and you're

(41:23):
stuck indoors a lot of the time, and you can
be you can fall into a bit of a rut
like that, So I always try to get out and
see a bit of where I'm I'm going to be
playing it.

Speaker 2 (41:35):
Oh on Maru, I think is a new stop for
you this time? Yeah, it's quite exciting. What do you
know about the place?

Speaker 15 (41:40):
Well, all I've gleaned from it firstly that it's just
it looks like a beautiful place to spend a bit
of time. But there's a steampunk museum, which I'm very
intrigued by because I had a show one year called Steampunk,
so I one of my sort of shows in the
Edinburgh Festival was called steampunk. So I've got a sort
of a bit of an interest in that anyway, So

(42:02):
I'm intrigued to see what that holds in store.

Speaker 2 (42:04):
Yeah, and penguins.

Speaker 15 (42:05):
Penguins, Yeah, very good.

Speaker 2 (42:06):
Places to eat and drink, I believe. Beautiful Victorian architecture. Ah,
there you go. Limestone building sounds great. You're in for
a real trait. I think, have you been coming here
for thirty years something?

Speaker 15 (42:17):
Indeed?

Speaker 3 (42:17):
It is.

Speaker 15 (42:18):
Yeah, I first performed in Auckland. I think it was
the Comedy Fest, probably about in ninety six or something,
so yes, about thirty audios.

Speaker 2 (42:26):
So you do the big venues, but then you do
these small venues as well.

Speaker 7 (42:29):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (42:30):
Do you like that connection that you have with an
audience and a small venue, Yeah.

Speaker 5 (42:34):
Very much so.

Speaker 15 (42:35):
And you often are able to have some fantastic interactions
in a smaller audience where perhaps in larger venues you
can't quite hear what people are saying, but in those
kinds of size of venue, because I love to interact
with audiences. I mean, I do ask people questions, I
encourage people to get involved, and places like that, small events,

(42:57):
as you mentioned, are perfect for that. So yeah, I
love that. I love to mix it up a.

Speaker 2 (43:01):
Bit because there's nothing that kills a hickel or a
good chat more than you going sorry, can't you?

Speaker 9 (43:06):
You?

Speaker 2 (43:06):
And the back there exactly exactly.

Speaker 15 (43:09):
So you want everyone to hear what people are saying,
and in smaller venues you can.

Speaker 2 (43:13):
Do that, and you like that connection with the audience.
You know, occasionally you see performers get up and you
can see that they get into a flow and they
just want to do their thing. Yeah, I want to
do this thing and get off the stage. But you've
always enjoyed that.

Speaker 15 (43:25):
I always enjoy that, Yeah, because I think then, well,
for a couple of reasons really, And the first thing
is is that an audience will then see, well, this
is unique to this night. This hasn't happened before, This
interaction hasn't happened before, So we're seeing something that might
not occur in any other venue. And then the other
thing is is that is this is very much what

(43:48):
and partly what this this new show that I'm trying
to to go to put together, Vaudevillian is very much
about that. It's about audience participations, about audience involvement that
was an integral part of those shows back in the day,
and so it's it's very much that I think that's
for me, the ideal show is where there's a combination

(44:10):
of things. There's some set pieces that I've worked out,
some routines and stories and anecdotes, but then there's always
a sort of a slight unknown quantity to a show
where you don't quite know where this interaction might lead.
But that makes it fun for me.

Speaker 2 (44:26):
Really stimulating for you as well. But you know, What
I think I've noticed with crowds at the moment is
we are really enjoying and I think that is a
post COVID all working from home kind of thing. We
are so enjoying going out and sharing a communal experience
with other people. Yeah, and it's important that we do this,
isn't it.

Speaker 15 (44:44):
It's so important And I do detect that as well
post COVID. You know, over the last few years, there's
been a greater appetite I think a marked difference in
the reaction from crowds.

Speaker 5 (44:57):
Really, people are really.

Speaker 15 (44:59):
Enjoying it, getting even more out of it, and relishing
the opportunity to be in a crowd of people sharing
and experience which you can't really replicate in now the
other way.

Speaker 2 (45:09):
Vaudevillian. When I first heard that this was the name
of your show, I did think to myself and in
my mind, a vaudeville show is almost like a variety show.
There's a bit of singing, there's some sketches there, and
in a way, that's what that's what you've actually be doing.

Speaker 7 (45:24):
That's it.

Speaker 15 (45:26):
Through ah entire career, sort of finally realized, oh, that's it,
that's what I am.

Speaker 3 (45:31):
And in a way.

Speaker 15 (45:34):
It was quite a I mean, it seems like it
would it would be, but it hasn't. It only occurred
to me in the last year, actually, when I finished
touring my last show, and I realized that this is
exactly what vaudeville is. It's a mixture of all these
different things, bringing exotic instruments into a show, a bit

(45:54):
of interaction with the audience, sketches, songs, a bit of dance.

Speaker 5 (45:58):
It's variety.

Speaker 15 (45:58):
It's old English music hall combined with a lot of
other things, cabaret, and and so it's almost I realized
now the time to just lean into that and actually say, well,
this is this is exactly what I am and what
I do.

Speaker 2 (46:12):
So we can expect you know, often a show might
if it's a comedy shark might have a particular thing,
but we can expect you to go anywhere and everywhere
with that.

Speaker 5 (46:21):
Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 15 (46:22):
And one of the things that I loved since I've
been researching the history of vaudeville was that it's it's
a very old art form. I mean, it became hugely
popular in America and then in the late nineteenth century,
and then of course it was superseded by radio, you know,
and then people just could get entertainment by staying at home.

(46:44):
But actually it goes back a long way. It goes
back to the fourteen hundreds in France. That's where the
name comes from, vaud de Ville, which is a place
in Normandy where you can identify where the first kind
of comic songs became popular, and then it spread throughout
France and then Europe and around the world. And I
just thought that is that's I feel now a kind

(47:07):
of connection almost with the past, with that, like I've
always felt performing, but now even more so. And so
part of the show is very much a little bit
about going back to that point and sort of almost
reconnecting with this the origins of what comedy in cabaret
has become.

Speaker 2 (47:25):
It's almost like we're thoughtify you were, you were thinking
about the present and Ai and the future and Teak
and things like that, and now it's kind of driven you.

Speaker 15 (47:31):
Yat exactly right, it's awful. So it feels exactly that.
And the fact that actually, as you say, there is
now perhaps even a greater appetite for connecting with other
people and sharing that live experience. You know, so much
of our lives has become very disconnected. You know, we
spend a lot of time indoors, we spend in offices,
in cars and on our way to work, we spend

(47:53):
time at home, and the facilities that we have, we're
able to work remotely and we can do all those things.
We cannot have connections with others. So live entertainment has
almost a greater significance now. I think in people's.

Speaker 2 (48:06):
Lives bill, how many new instruments did you learn for
this show?

Speaker 5 (48:11):
Okay, so I've.

Speaker 15 (48:15):
Currently I've currently it's currently five or four, but and
if you include a typewriter as an instrument, then it's five.
So I've got I brought a typewriter because there's a
piece of music which is played on the typewriter, and
it's classic vaudeville. It's absolutely could have been made for it,

(48:36):
and it's a piece of music that was scored for
an actual typewriter. And of course a lot of young
people will be looking at this thing like what the
hell is a typewriter? Anyway, But it's got a rhythmic
sound to it. It's like a percussion instrument in itself,
and there's got various different sounds to it. There's the
character returns and then so it's got this it has

(48:56):
the musicality to it. And I've got an instrument that's
called an ektara, which was given to me by a fan,
and it's I mean, on the face of it, it
doesn't look that promising. It's a one string loot, so
it only has one string, and you tune it by

(49:18):
squeezing two metal sorry, two wooden sort of struts which
contain it in at the base of it as a soundbox.
And it's it's it's from the fourteen hundred's the Indian subcontinent,
and it was used by in devotional music sort of minstrels,
troubadours would play this thing. And I thought, that's exactly

(49:41):
that's exactly what I am. So I need to figure
out how to way of play it because this is
kind of part of what I realize is what I
really love to tap into, is that comedy and cabaret
have roots in all sorts of areas of people's lives.
You know that were not necessarily when you know, you

(50:02):
would connect them with entertainment. They were they were yogi,
they were you know, it was they were priests shaming.
But they they would they would travel around and they
would perform and people would come and they would connect
with them.

Speaker 2 (50:18):
So how many instruments can you play?

Speaker 3 (50:20):
Now?

Speaker 2 (50:21):
Do you haven't? Do you have a number the most.

Speaker 15 (50:23):
Sixty odd sixty three or something. But I'm not playing
all of them in this in this show. Otherwise it
would literally be picking up one are the thing?

Speaker 2 (50:34):
How are they bring?

Speaker 11 (50:35):
And then that that.

Speaker 15 (50:35):
Would that would be the show. So there's there's there's
only a few in this.

Speaker 2 (50:39):
Villain arrived and instruments have arrived in New Zealer. I've
got to ask about the animals because we do talk
about Last time you were here, we were talking about
the zoo. Oh yeah, how is the zoo going? Is it?
Are we adding animals? Are we omagently zoo?

Speaker 15 (50:56):
We have now we've now paired a zoo right down
because it was getting a bit out of hand. We
had quite a lot of animals, and there were all
animals that, for one reason or another, had been rejected,
had been trafficked, or were extraneous to requirements. And so
we had a bit of space and we had some

(51:17):
enclosures in our back garden that we were able to
accommodate them. So once once people know that you look
after animals, you're sort of on the radar of this,
and so we would get calls from people say, we've
had two red handed tamarins that've been traffic. Can you

(51:37):
look after them for a bit. Yes, we've got a
couple of armoredillos, can you look after them? Yes, We've
got some giant chickens, giant rabbits, partridges, we've got a
couple of hummingbirds. And so at one point we were
at full capacity and it was quite a lot of work.
And over the last few years, I mean, I'm busy

(51:58):
away in working and we needed sort of to help.
We had a couple of volunteers from London Zoo came
and helped out. But it was getting to the point
where I kept I come and open the door, and
I would just I'd be fearful to open the door.
You know what's going to greet me? Like a lizard's
looking at him, and they're like, you know, seet we
go pass. We were off at a wallaby at one

(52:20):
point because this wallaby was extraneous to London Zoo's needs,
and they said do you want a wallaby? And I said,
I'd love a Wallaby. But he's just going to get out.
You know, he'll be down the high street and then
we'll be on the news.

Speaker 2 (52:34):
And then you know one that I'm presuming you no
longer have the Malay fighting cocks.

Speaker 15 (52:39):
No, the Malay fighting cocks.

Speaker 5 (52:40):
They had to go. They had to go.

Speaker 15 (52:43):
The Cockrell he had to go because he was out
of control. I mean, he hated me. He just turned
against me and he would double ninja kick me on
the back of a leg. And he thought I was
I was after his hands and I wasn't. I wasn't
interested in his hands, but he got into his head
that I was trying to take them off him. Oh
he hated me, Oh my word. He would he would

(53:04):
lunge at me, and he would hide in the bushes
in the back garden and wait till I was crossing
the garden and then I could hear him running behind
me and he would rake the back of my legs.

Speaker 3 (53:15):
He was vicious.

Speaker 5 (53:17):
He had to go.

Speaker 2 (53:19):
The last thing I want to talk to you about
very quickly is mastercrafters. Oh yeah, because I started doing
pottery about a year ago. Changed my life, absolutely love it.
I think we should all do something creative. Make something
with our hands. And you've had a TV show where
you've been taking a look exactly kind of traditional craft.

Speaker 15 (53:42):
And it was again something which I absolutely love. My
grandfather was a Stonemason and he, you know, he built
a lot of the house that I grew up in.
So there's a sort of But I think generally there
is an ancient culture of making in all human societies.

(54:03):
If you look at every single human settle around the world,
there'll be items there. They'll be that were not practical,
you know, needles or arrowheads or axes. They were therefore
aesthetic use for pleasure. They would have some other reason.
And it seems like it's a human compunction to make things.

(54:27):
And I think that, as you say it's, it can
be life changing because it's it's something that we are
compelled to do. And yet our modern lives almost restricts
us from that because everything's so easy to get. You
can buy things, consume things quite easily. Know, you have
to make things. Making is not now for necessity, it's

(54:49):
just purely for pleasure. But actually when you start making things,
it taps into this ancient desire to make things that
all humans have, and it's immensely satisfying, and that to
me was one of the great pleasures of making that show.

Speaker 17 (55:03):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (55:04):
No, I wouldn't say that any of my part has
functional form, but I'd love the process of making it,
and it doesn't matter. Bill Bailey, thank you so much
for popping in, loving to catch up with you. Enjoy
your tour.

Speaker 15 (55:17):
Thank you very much.

Speaker 2 (55:18):
And if you're keen to see Bill while he's here,
He's got thirteen shows his Boardvillian Tour starts in Queenstown
this Wednesday. Tickets are on sale now. For more information,
head to Bohm Presents dot com. So Bohm Presents dot
com just spelling that up because I think it's easier.
And don't forget Paul Henry is with me after eleven

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ahead of the release of The Chase New Zealand. It
is twenty three past ten.

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Speaker 2 (57:02):
This is the best song is Metal Straight Line as
a lies their latest album, and you may remember that
we had Liz and Jonathan from the band on the
show a few weeks ago ahead of their return to
the US. With some very exciting news from them. They've
posted on social media they will be on Jimmy Kimmel
Live Ver week, so it's set for Tuesday to keep

(57:22):
an eye out for that one. Joining me now to
Talk Entertainment. Steve Neill, editor at flicks dot Co, DoD
and Z, good morning.

Speaker 18 (57:28):
Good morning.

Speaker 2 (57:29):
That's exciting for the bedside, it's ruling.

Speaker 3 (57:31):
Yeah.

Speaker 18 (57:31):
And you know, for a minute there, maybe Kimmel might
not have had a TV show. Timing is good though, Gutch,
how gutted you'd be if your US two a kind
of coincided with him being off the air. Or in
the case of New Zealand band the d four, they
played the Late Show with David Letterman, except Letterman wasn't
there and it was Bill's Bloody Cosby and Bill Cosby

(57:55):
did a bit, and his bit that was that he'd
fallen asleep and that they were giving him like Q
cards instead of talking. So they got introed for their
big night by a giant creep who didn't even say
legend and the default.

Speaker 2 (58:09):
That would be disappointing.

Speaker 18 (58:12):
Hey, what's not disappointing is the film Pike River.

Speaker 2 (58:15):
It's pretty good, am Yeah, real specih.

Speaker 18 (58:18):
I think that for people in New Zealand who have
been familiar with elements of the story now for fifteen years,
there's still a kind of totality that's missing. This really
helps flesh it out and tells from a human perspective,
this wonderful strength and effort by two really everyday women

(58:39):
to seek answers, justice and accountability for the dead men
in their lives and the community. It's really really powerful.

Speaker 2 (58:47):
So this is the new film by Robert Saki's which
is hitting cinemas this Thursday, starring Melanie Lynsky and Robin Malcolm.
And you could not cast this film better. It is
a masterclass in acting honor.

Speaker 18 (59:00):
Absolutely, and they have got extremely different but very compatible
acting styles and I think that you know, they're bringing
to life these characters really well. Linsky made it clear
like it's not an impersonation that she's performing, so it's
sort of not this going down the road of actors
trying to be true to life of the people, but
emotionally it's very true to life. I like how they

(59:22):
don't come into contact with one another on screen for
a while into the film, and when they do it
it's a really awesome scene. But yes, mirroring the real
life campaign. It's a real story of courage, and I
think it highlights a type of New Zealand, like Graymouth's
small town, slightly isolated, working class community that has kind
of slipped from our view in recent years, Like it

(59:44):
used to be such a big part of our national identity.
Now it kind of feels really really overlooked. And that's
kind of a theme of this film too, right, that
companies and government don't look after.

Speaker 5 (59:54):
The little guy.

Speaker 2 (59:56):
I'm going to my reveal come out in the Herald
Bics weekend, But one thing I do say in the
review is that to me, and it's a very clinical
way of looking at a film, but to me, in
this film, decision making with key and all the decisions
that were made were spot on, from the angle that
they chose, to the casting to the cinematography. Like I
just felt it was very considered because there is a

(01:00:16):
huge responsibility in telling this story.

Speaker 18 (01:00:18):
Hugely, absolutely, and Saki's has form in this regard. Right
out of the blue, the Atawana film is a masterpiece
of New Zealand cinema. This is really different because what
Pike River doesn't do, and I was really glad about this,
was it doesn't really take us into the mind, It
doesn't recreate a disaster, it doesn't dwell unnecessarily on death as.

Speaker 2 (01:00:41):
Such, and details over and over again those strung.

Speaker 18 (01:00:44):
Totally, and so you know, it tells it from the
perspective of the community, but also it means that we
as an audience have the same questions that the wives,
the parents, the friends and family do as well. Like
it leaves this kind of a king chasm at the
center of this film in a way that's really powerful.

Speaker 2 (01:01:03):
I think it's going to conjure up. It conjured up,
but I've seen it twice and I've cried both times.
I think it's going to conjure up a lot of
emotions in people. But the thing that I was quite
surprised about was the shame I felt as a New
Zealander one hundred percent that there has been no justice
or accountability for these families one hundred percent.

Speaker 18 (01:01:20):
And Robin Malcolm points to the current Fast Track Approvals
Bill as basically put in New Zealand on the track
for another Pike River. So I think that's a really
great time to re examine what led to this, the
corner cutting, the prioritizing profit and convenience over people, and
so it's the timing of this film's release is really

(01:01:41):
really interesting. Anna and Sonya's fight to the woman featured
in Pike River is not finished. So it's a really
great amplification of their voice, doesn't take over from them,
doesn't put into the sidelines. It's just helping their message
reach more people.

Speaker 2 (01:01:54):
And the film is out on Thursday. Put to the
top of your list. Thank you so much, Steve. For
more details on it, your head to flex dot co
dot nz. It is twenty seven to eleven. We're going
to talk fiber next.

Speaker 1 (01:02:12):
It's the Sunday session with Francesca Rudkin on News Talks
at b.

Speaker 2 (01:02:19):
Joining me now for science Study of the week is
doctor Michelle Dikinson. Good morning, Good morning.

Speaker 3 (01:02:27):
Fiber.

Speaker 2 (01:02:27):
We're going to talk about fiber. Now, when we talk
about fiber, it's quite trendy at the moment when we're
talking about wellness and we think of it being news
for various you know, having various benefits to us, especially
keeping us regular. But new research has implied that fiber
might not be the answer for constipation.

Speaker 13 (01:02:45):
Yes, sorry Sunday morning, I know, but we're going to
talk about your little backed up down there and what
the new researcher said.

Speaker 17 (01:02:51):
So lots of people.

Speaker 13 (01:02:52):
Say have a high fiber diet, eat more fiber if
you're gonna if you're struggling to go to the toilet,
because that's going to push everything through, and it's sort
of an old livestyle. So there's lovely new set of
studies and they're published in the Journal of Human Nuture
and Dietics, and also Neurogastoronology and Motim both publish the
same findings. Have actually just said, sure, fiber is great

(01:03:16):
for you for other reasons, but if you are constipated,
we have found due to this big study, they looked
at seventy five big studies, put all the evidence together
and said, it's not about your high fiber breakfast cereal,
it's not about your brand muffins, but it's about these
four things that we have found that actually will help

(01:03:36):
you get things moving. So they are not about how
do you know how many grams of fiber you're supposed
to eat a day? By the way, No, most people don't, right,
So when people say a high fiber diet, most people
don't even know what fiber is. So twenty five to
thirty grams a day should be your normal amount of
fiber anyway, So when they're saying high fiber dietes, you're

(01:03:58):
going over thirty grams a day, but ignore all that
if you need to go to birthroom, what you need
to do. And luckily, because we live in New Zealand,
it's something that we have all season round, is that kiwifruit.
So they said the humble kiwi fruit is actually the
best thing you could have to help improve store frequency
and consistency, as it says in the paper, and you

(01:04:20):
will need to eat three kiwifruit per day for up
to four weeks to get things really regular. But this
is what I found really interested, So you know me,
I read all the details in the paper and it
said please eat it without the skin, and I was like,
who eats kiwi fruit with the skin?

Speaker 2 (01:04:39):
But lots of people do, do they? I don't.

Speaker 13 (01:04:43):
Yeah, anyway, So it said the skin will give you
more fiber and help you move more regularly if you
need that. But they said eating kiwi fruit skin gives
you other side effects, and they listed a whole bunch
of other tummy upset side effects and itchy mouths and
all sorts of weird things. So if you are in
if you already eat kiwifruit skin and it doesn't bother you,

(01:05:05):
carry on doing it. It's great for the rest of us,
and I thought it was weird that people did that.
Take the skin off and you'll be fine. So three
kubi fruit a day for four weeks, it's what you need.
But the other things on the list are quite nice.
One of them is rye bread, and so rye bed
has actually these nice bioactive compounds that appear to help
support the movement inside our gut. One is magnesium rich water,

(01:05:30):
so it's usually sold as mineral rich water, and actually
in the magnesium in the water can draw water into
the bowel to help you get things more liquid down there.
And the final one is called a sillium fiber and
a couple of probiotics, and they also help. So basically
the advisors high fiber diets are amazing for you for

(01:05:52):
other reasons hot health, gut bacteria, blood shook control. But
if you are constipated, ignore high fiber diets and ignore
senna based laxatives which also apparently didn't have any scientific
evidence behind them, and just go to your local grosser
and make sure you've got enough for's. Three kiwi fruit
a day.

Speaker 2 (01:06:12):
Look, I love that. I love the kiwi fruit, the
key we fruit, I also known it recently is really
good for ourn absorption because of its high continent invitement
c So there we go. It caters to a whole
lot of different different needs that we have. Michelle Dickinson,
thank you so much. We'll talk next week. Write something
a bit different for Labor weekend. Mike has a drink
recipe for us. He is with us next. It's twenty

(01:06:34):
tow eleven.

Speaker 1 (01:06:35):
The Sunday Session Full show podcast on iHeartRadio powered by
News Talks.

Speaker 2 (01:06:40):
IB My resident chef Mike vander Alson is with us now.
Good morning, Good morning. I like the way you're doing
something a little bit different for Labor weekend. We've got
a spring coal with honey, citrus and lavender. Sounds very refreshing.

Speaker 3 (01:06:54):
Then it's sounds delicious.

Speaker 2 (01:06:56):
It headed down in the garden yesterday. Could have done
with one of those at the end.

Speaker 12 (01:06:59):
Of the day, Hannah, I could have one of those
every day. To tell you the truth, and I still
work to get on top of it. Anyway. Everything is
growing like bananas. The weeds are grown overnight. They're just incredible.
Our asparagus, We've got these big troughs of asparagus. And
if you if you're not there in the morning, you

(01:07:20):
come back in the afternoon and the thing's about a
met eye.

Speaker 5 (01:07:24):
It's incredible health.

Speaker 12 (01:07:25):
How fast things turn around, just a little bit of heat,
a little bit of sun, you know.

Speaker 2 (01:07:30):
The cows.

Speaker 12 (01:07:31):
Yeah, I don't know. Three months ago, I was struggling
for grass. Two months ago, I was struggling for grass.
Now it's like jep hasn't got way too much of it.

Speaker 2 (01:07:38):
Can't win. Difficult life, difficult life on the lead.

Speaker 12 (01:07:41):
Anyway, do you know that today we've been here for
ten years and middle.

Speaker 2 (01:07:44):
Oh, congratulations, isn't that incredible?

Speaker 7 (01:07:48):
Sometimes?

Speaker 12 (01:07:48):
Yeah, sometimes I was looking back through the through the
photos you know, on your on your on your your
photo library, you can go back through through the years,
and I was looking at this day last ten years ago.
It was there was a video of us coming down
the driveway when we first arrived in out of middle Way,
and the farm was just so overgrowing, beaten and worn out.
And I think sometimes you need to reflect on what

(01:08:10):
you've done over.

Speaker 2 (01:08:11):
The last I think so. Yeah, I think so, because
it's been quite remarkable what you've managed out there.

Speaker 3 (01:08:17):
Yeah.

Speaker 12 (01:08:17):
Anyway, spring colert it. I'm actually doing this because citrus
is so abundant at the moment, and also our lavender
is starting to go a little bit banana. So you've
got fresh lavender, so this is a great respeed for it.
So into one pot, you've got two oranges that's been
cut in half and squeezed into a pot. Three lemons,

(01:08:38):
same deal, cut them in half, squeeze them in. I've
got two limes. Limes are still affordable and still abundant,
So two limes, cut them in half, popped there into
the same pot, along with two cups of just cold water.
I've got a cinnamon stick four star andise, a small
knob of fresh ginger. You can just leave the skin on,
just make sure it's clean cut and half.

Speaker 14 (01:08:56):
Pop that in.

Speaker 12 (01:08:58):
Tablespoon and molasses. That kind of gives you that rich
color color. Tablespoon of instant coffee, and then ten heads
of fresh lavender. That's the all important after burner. That's
the after flavor that you're going to get from this
cold and go oh, I can't quite pick that flavor.
It's going to be the lavender. Half a cup of
running honey and then one cup of brown sugar, so

(01:09:20):
you've got that heavily caramelized sugar going into there, Pile
the whole lot into that one pot, turn it on,
and then just bring it up to the ball. You
don't want to overcook this. You don't want to boil
it for two or three or even ten seconds, because
what will happen is you'll lose all those citrus tones
and you'll just you'll pick up the bitterness from the
rinds of the limes and the lemons. So just bring

(01:09:41):
it to the ball. Just when you see it starting
to just turn over, turn it off. Pop a pot
on top of it, or not a pot, like a plate,
just to weight the fruit down so it's actually sitting
inside the syrup. And then take your pot and just
allow it to cool down for ten to fifteen minutes
before you fire that into the fridge. Leave it, Leave
the pot and all in the fridge overnight, and what
happens is all just extract all the flavors out of

(01:10:04):
all that citrus and all that lavender. The next morning,
you're good to go. Take the plant off straight up
through a servoor, some through some muslin, and make sure
you squeeze out all those lemons, all those lines so
you've got the last of that juice coming out and
then that's your syrup.

Speaker 5 (01:10:18):
Good to go.

Speaker 12 (01:10:18):
So that's a cola syrup. And then when you want
to make cola, you just add one part of that
syrup to four parts of sparkling water and plenty of ice.

Speaker 2 (01:10:27):
Sounds amazing. Thank you so much, Mike. You go and
enjoy your tenure anniversary. So if you take a walk
around that farm and just acknowledge what you've achieved, just
look at what we still have to do it. Oh no, no, no,
Thank you so much, Mike. Have a great weekend. You
can get that recipe from Good from Scratch or Newstork
ZDB dot co dot NZ food Slash Sunday. You'll find

(01:10:48):
all our interviews and things there. And thank you very
much for your feedback. I'm very pleased that a lot
of you enjoyed the Bill Bailey interview and also someone
textas they don't forget Janet Frame's house in Oha Maru
is something that should be acknowledged as well. Yes, because
I think it was the thirties, wasn't it nineteen thirties?

(01:11:08):
And I believe if I'm correct, the house has been
turned into sort of a little bit of a library
or a museum to her correct me if I'm wrong,
but you're right. That is absolutely something else that Oh
Maru has going for It looks of fight. I thought
they're still faffing around, aren't they. It hasn't started. We
thought it would be around ten thirty. But you know,

(01:11:30):
you gotta have a bit of a build up to
these things, don't you. Anyway, we will let you know
when that is underway. I of course talking about Joe
Parker against Wardley. Here it is thirteen to eleven.

Speaker 3 (01:11:43):
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Speaker 1 (01:11:44):
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Speaker 2 (01:12:03):
Well that's time now here and O'Hara is us good morning,
good morning. You got a good one for us today.
I think because we're at the time of the year
I think where a lot of us are just hanging
in there to get to Christmas. You know, we're all
starting to sort of feel the year and and aware
of what we need to tick off to get to
the end of the year. But also during the day

(01:12:25):
it's quite common and you know, I love a map
parent for us all to have that kind of mid
afternoon or late afternoon energy slump.

Speaker 19 (01:12:33):
Yeah, the energy slump is really common, especially at this
time of year when you're kind of coming to the
end of the year but not quite there, maybe counting
down till the end of the year, but getting that
dip after lunch and then just really struggling to be
productive in the afternoon hours. It's interesting the research on
this shows that most people are most productive between nine

(01:12:53):
and eleven, So right now we are acing it productivity,
full of energy, really good sustained attention peaking right now.
But then after lunch, commonly most people will get decline
as we go into the afternoon. But if you are
getting a decline to the point we actually can't focus
at work, that's a concern. So if you're getting really

(01:13:15):
fatigued and a big afternoon energy slump and you're wondering
why have you got an energy slump, there's usually a
number of factors that can contribute to that. So I
think it's about looking at why is your energy dropping
off in the afternoon, what is your sleep quality?

Speaker 7 (01:13:32):
Like?

Speaker 19 (01:13:32):
Always looking at that first, because your Cicadian rhythm is
really important with energy, especially in the afternoon, So are
you're having any trouble getting to sleep, saying asleep, how
are you feeling when you wake up in the morning,
That's a good place to start with looking and your
energy through the day. Also stress, So if you've been
experiencing chronic stress through the air and maybe it's building
up at this time of year and feeling tired but wired,

(01:13:56):
that can make you also get a big drop off
in the afternoon. And maybe you've increased your coffee and
sugar intake to kind of try and.

Speaker 2 (01:14:03):
Get through the day.

Speaker 19 (01:14:05):
That will also have a negative effect later in the day.
If you've had more cocaine than you're usually doing, more
sugar or carbohydrates through in the morning, you'll then get
a big dumping of energy. To keep steady steady energy
is what we're looking for, is trying to keep that
balance across the day. Also maybe checking into with your
doctor and saying if there is any other reasons why
you might be getting extra fatigue in the afternoon, whether

(01:14:27):
there's iron efficiency or anemia, or just saying if they're
all low test Sauceron is another one that makes you
get a big drop off of energy in the afternoon. Now,
if you are getting these big energy slumps things that
we can do. We're all fans of the afternoon nap,
which obviously doesn't work to sure.

Speaker 2 (01:14:47):
One yearn I know, we all work different, we all
do different shifts in ours and things like that. Not
everyone can have a little l afternoon. I might only
nap for ten fifty minutes twenty minutes max, I don't
have a big sleep. It's literally just given to the
eyes closing in Yeah.

Speaker 19 (01:15:02):
The ten to twenty minute naps are actually research shows
they make a massive difference in productivity and energy. So
if you do have the ability to do that in
your day, is have lunch and then have a little
lay down, and then you'll find you'll probably be more
productive for the afternoon.

Speaker 3 (01:15:16):
Well.

Speaker 2 (01:15:16):
I often have to work evenings as well, so that's
my moment to stop and I take a little break,
and that'll get me through at nine o'clock when I
might finish it. And it might not even be that
you're actually sleep, but even just having a brain break,
So even just closing your eyes, maybe sit and do
some breathing, or whether it's laying down and just listening
to some music with your eyes closed, that's actually going
to help to reboot your brain and your energy. I
often wonder whether I should go for a walk though,

(01:15:37):
or something like fresher and a bit of movement really
really helpful. So yeah, that's my next tip is getting outside.
Getting some fresh airs and sunlight as well is going
to help with your energy. And also having a nice
energizing workplace. So if you're getting only an afternoon slump
in the week days when you're at work, maybe look
at your office environment. Is it uplifting enough, is there

(01:15:58):
enough natural light, windows, color? There's some actually some interesting
research on colors. If you're using colors like orange and
yellows and reds, they can be associated with picking up energy.
So maybe it's about looking at your workplace and how
you can bring in a little bit more energy into it.
Also movement and stretching, so maybe get up off your
desk and stretch out your legs, move around. Some also

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more weird ways of picking up energy in the afternoon
is maybe getting yourself a little trampoline for your office
and that will help you get a little bit more energy.
Get the lymphatics rebounder out of the garage from the
eighties absolutely, or maybe a bit of a aromatherapy wheels.
They are also really helpful. So peppermint, citrus and eucalyptus
are great for alertness and energy as well. Erin, thank

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you so much. It is five to eleven.

Speaker 1 (01:16:47):
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Speaker 2 (01:16:55):
Look. If you want one more, tip Erin said, have
a little dance session, just a dance break. Put some
music in your ears and have a little dance once
again if you're at work, that could be a little
bit awkward, but you could all do it, I suppose anyway.
I might be one of the very few New Zealanders
who doesn't watch the Chase, but I can't wait for
the New Zealand version hosted by the one and only
Paul Henry. Paul is with me next. We're gonna find

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out why he keeps coming out of retirement, what kind
of host he is going to be, and whether he'd
cut it as a contestant. I know I certainly wouldn't.
Paul Henry is up next.

Speaker 3 (01:17:36):
As well.

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Speaker 2 (01:18:21):
Coming up this hour on the Sunday Session, Joan tells
us about Reese Witherspoon and Harlan Coben's book collaboration. Yes,
they've written a book together. Meghan explains how the US
federal shutdown might affect travel through the region, and Elliott
Smith is going to give us a rundown on the
Joseph Parker fight which is underway. Finally underway. Round one,
pretty good, easy, pretty easy for Parker. Round two pack,

(01:18:43):
I've got a little bit of trouble there Wardley definitely
got a few punches and so we will keep you
up to speed on that throughout the.

Speaker 3 (01:18:50):
Hour the Sunday Session.

Speaker 2 (01:19:01):
The Chase franchise, it's a global phenomenon, phenomenon, one of
the longest running game shows in the UK, with spinoff
franchises now all over the world and keeps love it
twenty twenty four figures reporting two out of three of
us watch the show, well watch the show in twenty
twenty four. Now, The Chase New Zealand is coming to

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TV and Z in just over a week, and there
really was only one man to take on the job
of his host, The Chase his on We all know
that voice, don't we. That is Paul Henry. Good morning.

Speaker 5 (01:19:34):
It's always so lovely to be here with you.

Speaker 2 (01:19:36):
Francesca, bless you. You just can't stay away, and I
don't mean from this show. You've been living this kind
of semi retired life between America and New Zealand. We've
seen some lovely Instagram shots of trips on olive, but
then you just kind of keep popping back. We've got
the Chase, and then of course you're joining the board
of TV and Z. What keeps you coming back to

(01:19:58):
the working world.

Speaker 5 (01:19:59):
Well, I was properly retired, because if people when you retire,
people say, oh, you're going to be able to give
it up, You're going to be up to get by.
And it was fantastic and I loved it. I didn't
miss anything. And then COVID happened, and so my life
of retirement, which largely involved traveling all the time, changed
because I was only prepared to do one managed isolation

(01:20:21):
a year, so I had to change the way I traveled.
And then someone offered me a job. And the other
thing was, of course I was for the first time
in my life, because you know how extraordinarily relevant I am.
For the first time in my life, I was officially
declared irrelevant by the government of a country, New Zealand,
and so I was locked in my house with the

(01:20:41):
other irrelevant people. So when I was offered a chance
of relevance because you've got that exemption and you could travel,
I said yes. And as soon as you say yes,
work creeps in, it does it creeps in?

Speaker 2 (01:20:55):
So I think it's been fifteen years since you left TVNZ.
What's it like being back in the building.

Speaker 5 (01:21:00):
It's a bit. It is a bit. The building's changed
a bit. The broadcast floor has not changed as much,
but even that's changed a bit. And you know, after
fifteen years you sort of forget some things, but it's
sort of done. There is an aspect of home about it,
you know. I started my broadcasting career in New Zealand. No,
not my broadcasting, I said, of my television career in

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New Zealand with TV and Z. But that was an
avalon in Wellington. But in fact they may have even
been before this building up in Auckland was built. God,
it may have been. That's how old I am. And
so it does sort of feel a bit like coming home.
Do you know what I've gotten here?

Speaker 2 (01:21:39):
Well, an app?

Speaker 5 (01:21:40):
He says, holding up. Oh, don't talk to me about apps.
I hate I heard bloody apps. Look what I've got.
You haven't, No, I know, I know. Don't even say
out loud that I'm holding up a gold card. I've
got my own gold card. But like I say, don't
mention it.

Speaker 2 (01:21:58):
You don't look like you deserve that gold cart.

Speaker 5 (01:22:00):
Oh that's a lovely thing to say.

Speaker 2 (01:22:01):
But funny you should mention that because this we're about
to talk about the chase. But that isn't the first
quiz show you did. You did one in nineteen eighty seven,
didn't you. Every Second Counts, And that was your TV
hosting deboot.

Speaker 5 (01:22:14):
Yeah, yeah, it was in New Zealand. Yeah, Every Second Counts.
And that was a game show where we gave out.
It had lots of flashing lights. And that sounds like
a silly thing to say. In a way, it sounds well,
of course it did. But there were no plasma screens
in those days, and people didn't have a lot of

(01:22:35):
flashing lights on television, and we had a lot of
flashing lights. There were sixty people on the crew and
we could barely make the program work. It was what
we were doing is punching way.

Speaker 2 (01:22:44):
Up a manual kind of used to.

Speaker 5 (01:22:48):
Flash things, and doors would be pulled open like on
the old Starship Enterprise, you know, where you know there
were egg carton stuck on the wall and people standing
on either side to make the automatic doors open and close.
So it was it was real challenge. We were punching
above our way. That was before Sale of the Century.

Speaker 2 (01:23:06):
You're just getting that in there, just say, we're saying.

Speaker 5 (01:23:09):
That just because people sort of remember Sale.

Speaker 2 (01:23:11):
Of the Century.

Speaker 5 (01:23:12):
It was on every night of the week, whereas every
Second Council sort of once a week, right.

Speaker 2 (01:23:16):
And of course The Chase is a slightly different beast
because this is the biggest game show franchise in the world.
And I heard you say two out of three New
Zealanders watch The Chase in twenty twenty four. I mean,
is it quite daunting taking on a series like that.

Speaker 5 (01:23:30):
It's very daunting, particularly in a country like New Zealand,
because the show is already so popular in New Zealand.
But what's really popular is the British Chase, and we
are not doing a British Chase. We're doing the New
Zealand Chase, the Chase in New Zealand, and so people
who love it, and so many people love it because

(01:23:51):
it's a great show, it's a fantastic format and Bradley's fantastic,
but what they love is the British Chase. So the
challenge for me the daunting thing because I'm not usually
daunted by television because what's the worst thing that could happen.
No one's going to die if I'm terrible at it,
because it's not a plane. The worst thing. The thing

(01:24:14):
I worry about is that people will be watching that
they won't be able to articulate fully. Oh there's something
about it. I don't know, it's a bit different. Well,
it is a bit different because this is the Chase
in New Zealand.

Speaker 10 (01:24:24):
You know.

Speaker 5 (01:24:24):
It's that whole thing when something's uber popular and you're
doing a version of it.

Speaker 2 (01:24:30):
But that's I think that's the best way to go
about it, right. You can't you can't say I'm going
to I'm going to try and be Bradley that already exists.

Speaker 5 (01:24:38):
That's right, So how did this is the New Zealand
One and that, of course is the golden thing about it. Yes,
you know this is a New Zealand version of the
show All.

Speaker 2 (01:24:46):
New Zealand Contestants yep shot in Australia though, right, okay,
how many episodes?

Speaker 5 (01:24:51):
There are four episodes, so we'll be doing those specials, Yes,
in November. So the first one's on November third, and
then every Monday night after that for four Mondays.

Speaker 2 (01:25:00):
Oh fun, is not that much though, Paul, what did
you go for's Malima? And then I need to break.

Speaker 5 (01:25:04):
Yeah, I said, how much you're paying with for this?
Well you'll get four?

Speaker 3 (01:25:08):
No.

Speaker 5 (01:25:09):
I think the thing is it's a special and at
this stage, and the reason we did in Australia is
that there is a huge ITV crew in Australia. The
studio is all set up with enormous set. I mean
you see when you see the program how big the
set is. But when you actually walk in, talking of daunting,
when you walk in and you've got a crew of
I don't know sixty seventy people or something that have

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been making the Australian One for the last two weeks
making a series of the Australian one for the last
two weeks, and then all of a sudden, you're there
from New Zealand. They don't know you, and what are
we doing this for? A Why haven't we finished them all?

Speaker 16 (01:25:42):
No?

Speaker 5 (01:25:42):
No, there's four more to do. No there is no
I've locked on that. No four for New Zealand. Oh
who's this guy?

Speaker 2 (01:25:48):
The New Zealanders have just popped in to record.

Speaker 5 (01:25:50):
A few around, you know, and you think, oh, you know,
this is the first time I've done this thing, and
here's a well oiled machine.

Speaker 2 (01:25:58):
But you made the traits your own and so how
did you going into the chase?

Speaker 1 (01:26:02):
Go?

Speaker 2 (01:26:02):
Okay? So how do I just make this my own?

Speaker 5 (01:26:05):
Yeah? I think the okay. One advantage I have is that,
in some ways, perhaps personality was I am a little
like Bradley. You know, both of us have terrible posture,
so we lean and we use the set much more
because I've watched some of the other international versions of it,
and no one leans like Bradley. You know, he almost

(01:26:26):
collapses onto the set, which is nice because it needs
to feel you know, it's an hour of your time
in your home. It should feel, you know, like a
family member in a sense, particularly because one of the
joys with the program is you literally do play at home.
I mean you've now seen it because you are. I
think you are the last New Zealander to have seen

(01:26:46):
the chase, aren't you.

Speaker 2 (01:26:47):
You're the I'm a busy person. I just have missed
managed to miss this hugely successful global phenomenon. But I
did watch a couple of episodes in preparation to come
and talk to you, so I knew what I was
sort of talking about. And here's the thing about quizzes, right,
I did say it home and I nailed it, and
I was like, this is great. But I know for
a fact, the minute I would step onto that TV

(01:27:10):
set and you asked me the questions in front of cameras,
I wouldn't. I'd probably get one out of ten questions.

Speaker 5 (01:27:16):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:27:16):
No, I think that environment, I think is so hard
to give for better than that.

Speaker 5 (01:27:21):
Exactly right.

Speaker 2 (01:27:22):
I did a quiz show once and I was on
it with Jason Gunn, who sat next to me, hitting
that buzzer before the person had even finished the almost
got I walked out halfway through. There's no point me
being here. I was terrible. No, I take a I can't.
I can't think in a stressful situation that I'm quite smart,
you know, like you Oh so you're answering the question. No, no, no,
I'm quite smart. I know a lot of things, but

(01:27:43):
I'm not quick. Oh okay, And so the problem if
I was a contestant on the show, my problem would
be I'd be forever in my head saying yeah, I
knew that, Yeah I knew that, because I'm just not quack. No,
that's my problem. I just need I but I don't
feel like you have that moment to think about it.
So then you get into it, then you get into
a spiral and you're just blurting out anything and everything.

Speaker 5 (01:28:02):
A bit stupid because you know you don't know that answer,
so you can say passed straight away. But when smart,
you know you do just let me and before you
know it, times gone.

Speaker 2 (01:28:15):
Because there I think that when you watch people when
they're they're they're going against the chaser and you get
the opportunity, the multi choice opportunity, that's where I think
I could you know you need to you might not
know the answer, but you might excuse me, You've got
to be smart enough to kind of narrow it down.

Speaker 5 (01:28:32):
Clue at least every second question pretty strong clue in it.
If you're reasonably intelligent, you can.

Speaker 2 (01:28:38):
Pick up on did any of the kiwis who turn
up any of them happen to be like professional quizzes.
Did you notice that there were some contestants and you
thought that they've turned up and you do this there
quite often.

Speaker 5 (01:28:49):
No, I didn't really think that, but I will say
there was a huge difference between the ones that were
almost paralyzed with nerves. You know, when they're they're and
they come up to do the the initial cash and
they're so so nervous, and I can see why. And
it's no point saying, oh, you don't need to be nervous,

(01:29:10):
because actually.

Speaker 2 (01:29:12):
It's in their breaking situation.

Speaker 5 (01:29:13):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm going to give you one minute
and the world is going to see you fail.

Speaker 2 (01:29:19):
There's a good reason to be then try and well.

Speaker 5 (01:29:23):
You know, you always play it when they're really really nervous. Yeah,
there's nothing better than saying it looks like you're paralyzed
with fear. And it always makes people who are nervous
smile a bit when you catch them out like that.
But yeah, and you'll see with some of the contestants
they are even once they're at the table, because that,
as you say, is much easier when you're actually playing

(01:29:43):
the chase with the chaser. It is much easier because
for a start, you know one of those three answers
is actually correct. The ones I like, The questions I
love are the ones that you you almost like, how
far is it from this place to this place? Or
you know which of these places is closest to this place,
which really because it's quite a challenge because you can

(01:30:05):
go into your head and think, so I know all
of those places, but actually the world is round, which
one is closer. I love questions like that, So.

Speaker 2 (01:30:13):
You enjoyed the whole process, keen to go back and
do more?

Speaker 5 (01:30:16):
Yes, you know, it's one of those things. And quite
often this is the case with me. In fact, you've
asked me questions like this before. I love having done it,
but doing it is actually quite quite hard work, Like
it's frantically hard. And as we've already said, I am
not a young man, and it just it is quite

(01:30:36):
hard to do. And I really care about doing things well,
so I put myself under a lot of pressure to
do it well, but it's a wonderful thing to have done.

Speaker 2 (01:30:45):
At least you're consistent, Paul in your approach to these things. Absolutely,
But I think you've got a little bit of never
say never. I mean, I think I think you should
ever say never.

Speaker 5 (01:30:54):
You know, no, I agree. I wouldn't take it as
far as the yes man. Did you like that movie?
Did you see that with Jim Carrey? In fact, there's
a book. I started to read the book and then
I thought, this guy's an idiot. But that the whole
thing where you practice actually saying yes to everything? Yeah,
and the guy that actually in fact, I think I
interviewed the guy that wrote the book who started doing it.

(01:31:14):
He had a breakup or something in his life with
the shambles, and the first thing that happened is someone
knocked on his door selling.

Speaker 2 (01:31:19):
Double clothing and you had to say yes.

Speaker 5 (01:31:23):
But it's worth saying yes to things.

Speaker 2 (01:31:25):
It is. It is okay, we shouldn't be we shouldn't
not do things because we're all afraid. It's important, especially
as we age, Paul, isn't it to keep that brain.

Speaker 5 (01:31:33):
Keeps that left right side of the brain moving along?

Speaker 2 (01:31:36):
Hey, are you still spending your time between New Zealand
and America. Yes, I suppose the grandchildren are keeping you
drawn back to New Zealand though, do you know?

Speaker 5 (01:31:46):
Young two of the twins are won in a bit
and extraordinarily and I'm not sure how my daughter managed this,
but she's almost due with her next child. What is
that about? I mean, it must have been so easy.

Speaker 2 (01:32:02):
She's a brave woman.

Speaker 5 (01:32:04):
I agree, and she's really but it is an extraordinary thing.
You've got to be proud, although there's you know, you
bring her into question when she's made that decision. But yes,
so I'm going to have three grandchildren in New Zealand soon.
The twins are just over won. And then I've got
two grandchildren in Australia in Melbourne.

Speaker 2 (01:32:23):
Oh fantastic.

Speaker 5 (01:32:24):
Right, It's been worthwhile see and on top of that
a game show.

Speaker 2 (01:32:28):
And a game show. How are you feeling about New
Zealand last year? I think it was June last year
you said that we're a bit broken and deepen the shit?
Are you feeling better about it now? Are we on
the road to recovery? Do you think?

Speaker 5 (01:32:38):
I wish I could say we were? You know what's
happened and you're quoting from a speech that I made,
and in that speech, I said, the people that are
in charge now will maybe nudge the ship in the
right direction, but they won't turn it in the right direction.
And I think that's exactly what's happened, and time time

(01:33:00):
to fix this country is slipping away.

Speaker 2 (01:33:02):
General consensus seems to be it's really eighteen twelve to
eighteen months before maybe we feel like we're turning. Would
you agree with that if you talk to the business.

Speaker 5 (01:33:13):
It because because of course you don't turn, the whole
country doesn't turn in unis so even even from a
commercial point of view, some aspects of the country turn
more quickly than other aspects. I think, for instance, and
it's very early days, but I think it's possible a
housing market has just taken a little nudge. I hate
that term green shoots, but I'm going to use it.
There are some they're beginning to show very early days,

(01:33:36):
whereas there there are other parts of the economy which
are showing no signs of improvement at all. It's really
quite worrying, do you know. Again, it comes back to
the point that I made during COVID. You know, all
that money that we borrowed, we spent, We didn't invest.
What positive things in this country have we got to

(01:33:56):
show for what sixty plus billion dollars that we borrowed.

Speaker 2 (01:34:01):
Like a game show, some for you, some for you
some year ago. Let's flickin it out there.

Speaker 5 (01:34:05):
But getting back to the chase quickly, because I was
basically I can tell from you've got that look about
you what I always have when I know an interview
should have ended ten minutes ago. One of the great
things is I don't think people have a huge expectation
they're going to win money when they go on the Chase.
You know, most people won't and they know it. You know,
it's a very hard game to walk away with money from.

(01:34:25):
But we had thousands of people, thousands of New Zealanders
in like a week respond to about two ads for
contestants because there's something about the challenge, there's something about
the game that people want to be part of.

Speaker 2 (01:34:39):
So excited that you were back on our television screens
on the Chase, and as always, it's a pleasure to
have you on the studio. Thank you so much.

Speaker 5 (01:34:46):
I'll see you when something else happens.

Speaker 2 (01:34:48):
Okay, Francesca, See that was the one and only Paul Henry.
Here's the host of the Chase in New Zealand. The
first show is seven thirty pm Monday, the third of
November on TV and Z one and TV in Z Plus.
And we have just got to the end of the
sixth round in the Parker Wardley fight. It looks slight.
It's been another tough round to score, but it looks

(01:35:10):
like Parker is a little bit more back in control
of this fight. More on this shortly. It's twenty four
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Speaker 2 (01:36:38):
And joining me today is Chris Henry, director at eight
one eight. Good morning, Chris, good morning, and the Dean Higgins,
host of The Prosperity Project. Good morning, good morning, Good
to have you with us. Okay, we have finally heard
from Netborn, New Zealand. They have confirmed that Dame Noling
Toto has been reinstated as Silver Fern's head coach. It's

(01:36:58):
effective immediately, However, she's not starting until next year back proper. Chris,
from a pur point of view, how do your rate
this has been handled well?

Speaker 20 (01:37:08):
These ones are souber challenging when it comes to employment matters.
This only so much that you can say, and you
really need to let the process kind of work around
in the background. But I do feel for both sides
of this, it is dragged out for so long, and
when these things drag out, it just leads to speculation
and what may have happened. And you know, they put
a statement out today they said as much as they could,

(01:37:29):
but it still leaves a lot of unanswered questions, and
I think many more questions to come, especially when Dame
Neelin comes back into the role for sure.

Speaker 2 (01:37:37):
I mean, who didn't get involved in this conversation to Dean.

Speaker 17 (01:37:41):
Well exactly When you've got ministers and even the Prime
Minister waiting in, I think it's fair to say you
can conclude it hasn't been handled that well. But I
think Chris is right. When the issues are kind of
opaque and you can quote the employment issues and so
therefore we can't say anything, then there's this void that

(01:38:02):
the public rushes into fill with speculation and reckons on.
You know, Are these players snowflakes? Is it genuine bullying?
Is their mismanagement? Is it a swing in the opposite
direction that's gone too far? After you know that tragic
case of Olivia Podmore in cycling and very well justified
soul searching that followed that. And the problem is we

(01:38:26):
just don't know. And so I think when she does
come back, are we going to know anymore or we're
going to have to keep guessing until they play a
netball that changes the focus.

Speaker 2 (01:38:39):
And Nadin, I think you hit the nat on the
head there, And Chris, I'd like to get your perspective
on how you do deal with this. We have no
idea of the context, we have no idea what's happened.
We've been given no information, and as you say, we've
been left to fill in all these kind of gaps,
which is really unfair. And I have a huge amount
of sympathy for actually, you know, the players, and for
the coaching staff and nonline who's been involved in this,

(01:39:01):
because we've been left to come up with our own
sort of idea about what's happened. How do you deal
with that, Chris, that lack of information and then still
been able to control the narrative and looking after the
people involved that should be, you know, a priority, and
it hasn't happened.

Speaker 7 (01:39:19):
Oh absolutely.

Speaker 20 (01:39:21):
I mean it's super hard because the way that the
employment law works is that you really can't say anything.
So I suppose it comes down to when the dust
is settled, sort of take it on the chin and
then hopeful an explanation later in the peace. But trying
to do things as quickly as possible is probably the
only advice that I've got. If you've got an issue
like this, you really want to try and have it

(01:39:42):
sorted as soon as you possibly can. And I would
assume that both parties have been trying that, but it's
just not the way that it's worked out.

Speaker 2 (01:39:49):
And the Dean, I don't I think there's going to
have to be a lot of work for Noline's return
to be smooth sailing.

Speaker 3 (01:40:00):
Well.

Speaker 17 (01:40:00):
I guess it depends are the issues that prompted this
in the first place have they actually been resolved. There's
definitely surely going to be some bad blood because at
least from the outside and I'm dancing around this because
there's so little that we know, but from the outside
it seems like Noline has been treated poorly, but we

(01:40:23):
don't know about the nuances of what prompted this in
the first place, so has anyone else been treated poorly?
So there definitely is going to have to be some
repair so that they can actually move on and get
back to what they're meant to be doing, which is
playing amazing mentalk.

Speaker 2 (01:40:41):
Well, look, I think that a went over Australia the
staff and it would be a step in the right direction,
don't you wouldn't it moving this story on and seeing
where it's going to end up. I want to talk
to you guys too about Kamala Harris, who has hinted
that she might run for president again, and this is
all She's on a book tour and Chris, I don't know,

(01:41:02):
this might be the kind of headline that you want
from someone on a book book to it in order
to give a little bit of parbul. I was wondering.
I was wondering whether this is just purely for promotional purposes.
But you know, she's made this announcement. She's kind of said, look,
I'm not finished with politics yet. The polls say, look,
you know, we prefer that Dwayne the Rock Johnson was

(01:41:25):
the president over you is this Do you think this
is a matter of sort of testing the waters so
to speak to gauge reaction as to whether she you know,
people are interested in her returning Chris.

Speaker 7 (01:41:36):
Yeah, I definitely.

Speaker 20 (01:41:37):
I mean, first of all, to your point about whether
this is well timed, one thousand percent, she's.

Speaker 7 (01:41:42):
Trying to sell a book.

Speaker 20 (01:41:44):
Bringing herself back into the narrative at the moment is key,
and I think she's also probably got that awesome opportunity
where you know, it's far enough out from the election
that she can sort of be testing the waters at
this stage. Also, what's currently happening with her opponent or
her former opponent, I should say, gives her some quite
good time to sort of remind people that she was

(01:42:04):
there and it could have been her. So a little
bit of one of those of moments where she can
go out and say what she wants because he really
doesn't have any consequence at this stage. It's just an idea,
throwing it out there, let's see what the people have
to say.

Speaker 2 (01:42:17):
Could you see her winning a presidential election again, well,
you know, running and potentially winning the Dean.

Speaker 17 (01:42:25):
I think it depends on why you think she lost
so decisively in the first place. Was it because she
had been in Biden's shadow and you know he only
bowed out?

Speaker 7 (01:42:35):
What was it?

Speaker 17 (01:42:35):
I think the title of the book is one hundred
and seven days, so she only had one hundred and
seven days to kind of distance herself from what he
did or didn't do and what the public thought of that.
Or I think, like you've already alluded to, if the
polls already show that people would rather Dwane the Rock, Johnson,
I think that tells you a lot that Americans aren't

(01:42:56):
necessarily particularly interested in someone being really well qualified to
do the most important job in the country, unfortunately, because
a look who they chose over Karmela and look who
they're already favoring in the polls. He's an actor who
hasn't necessarily waded into politics or even indicated he.

Speaker 2 (01:43:15):
Wants to do it.

Speaker 17 (01:43:16):
So I mean, and I guess you could also throw
into the mix that just enough of America is racist
and sexist enough to ensure that a woman of color
is probably still a long way from the White House.

Speaker 2 (01:43:33):
Thank you both so much, appreciate your time this morning.
In response to that BBC interview that Kamla did a
White House spokesperson said when Kamala Harris lost the election
in a landside, she should have taken the hint the
American people don't care about her absurd life. So that
was their response there. Okay, up next, we are going
to talk sport. We are in round nine of the

(01:43:55):
Parker Wardly fight. Elliot Smith will give us the in
an update. It is twenty four to twelve.

Speaker 1 (01:44:05):
It's the Sunday's session with Francesca Rudkin on News Talks
at be.

Speaker 2 (01:44:23):
Right, it is time to talk sport now. Elliott Smith
is going to be with you at midday with weekend sporting,
and I'm very inconveniently dragged him away from the boxing
to chat to us, although he's just been watching me
watch boxing, which I think is showing itself.

Speaker 21 (01:44:37):
Isn't that entertaining?

Speaker 2 (01:44:38):
Actually I'm not very good at watching this. Now where
are we at? Because actually I think Wardley has done
better than we anticipated he has.

Speaker 21 (01:44:45):
I think Parker is leading the fight on points at
the moment. We just had the tenth round, and I
think Parker has had probably eight rounds seven rounds to
three in his favor. Okay, there was a period about
the ninth round where Wardley was looking quite time and
it felt like Parker just might have been able to
deliver that knockout below but couldn't land the right one.

(01:45:08):
Tenth rounds probably fifty to fifty. In fact, Wardley probably
had the better of the closing moments there, which is
just wrapped up where he had a flurry of punches
and Parks was on the on the ropes figurety and
literally but wasn't again able to get into the canvas.

Speaker 5 (01:45:23):
So two rounds to go.

Speaker 21 (01:45:24):
I think Parker leads on points, but it could still
go anyway.

Speaker 2 (01:45:28):
Well, and the other thing too is you can they're
tiring base. We've got to get twelve.

Speaker 21 (01:45:32):
Theredicarly twelve and as I said, wad it look quite
tired before, but he seems to have gained a little
bit of a second wind and Parker looks a wee
bit tired as well. So we're into the eleventh of
twelve rounds now in London.

Speaker 2 (01:45:43):
All attempt to get through two more. Hey really excited
coming up just after midday. You're talking to New Zealand there.

Speaker 21 (01:45:48):
Boy years absolutely trying to get some monthswers on where
we are at. Obviously the resolution coming late last night
or last night that Dame Nolinge Polter was going to
take on the coaching role again, but not until early
next year. So she's not going to take charge of
the rest of the Constellation Cup which continues today, the
Northern Tour which starts in a couple of weeks time.

(01:46:09):
So she's been moved back into a role, but she
doesn't have anything to coach, okay a couple of months.
So we get some answers after midday.

Speaker 5 (01:46:15):
Hopefully what's she gonna dow.

Speaker 21 (01:46:21):
But a planning, I don't.

Speaker 2 (01:46:22):
Know out of stationary what else you got on the show?

Speaker 5 (01:46:25):
We're going to talk cricket as well.

Speaker 21 (01:46:27):
The one day series against England starts today too, so
we'll get inside black Cats camp too and can we
won the NPC?

Speaker 2 (01:46:32):
Yes they did. You had to get that in. You
can go back and watch your boxing now, lovely. Actually,
I know you're prepping very you're working very hard. Elliot
Smith will be back with you at midday.

Speaker 1 (01:46:44):
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Speaker 2 (01:46:51):
Okay, So Elliot Smith leaves the studio and as he's
leaving I said to him round eleven I think this
is going to be full on this round and it's over,
so fabio. Wardley came out absolutely firing, got Paker on
the ropes. Packer couldn't respond and he went to town and
so Parker has lost the fight. It's a technical knockout, Jez.

(01:47:14):
That was pretty horrible to watch too. Anyway, it's all over,
Thank goodness.

Speaker 1 (01:47:19):
Okay, travel with Windy Woo Tours where the world is yours?

Speaker 2 (01:47:25):
For now I can breathe again. Time to talk travel.
Megan Singleton, Good morning, Honday morning. Take a breath. I'm
not good at watching men punch each other in the head.
And the boys here in the studio have been watching
me watch They've actually been I think more entertained by
watching me trying to watch boxing. Anyway, let's move on,
because of course we're all traveling. We're going everywhere, and

(01:47:45):
a lot of us are heading to the US. But
there's the course, the shutdown. How is that impacting travel
and tourism.

Speaker 4 (01:47:51):
Yeah, it is impacting it. I'm heading up on Thursday,
so I've been keenly following. We're up to day twenty
five of the government's shutdown and what that means for
travel and tourism. Is that out of the one point
four million federal employees that are on unpaid leave or
working without pay, a lot of them are Border Protection,

(01:48:13):
custom Security air traffic controllers. So I've been looking at
delays on flights and they're saying, you know, if you've
got a connecting flight, add an extra hour. Well for me,
the bookings made right. So I'm going into LA on
Thursday and transitting through to Chicago for the All Blacks.
So we'll just have to see how it looks. I
did look it up this morning. So far, no delays

(01:48:34):
out of Los Angeles, but Houston could look like it's
having some delays. And you've got lesser airports that are
not condeemed like essential, I think, and maybe that's where
they're having some struggles. But the National parks are affected,
and that includes Grand Canyon, Alcatraz, the Smithsonian Museums in Washington, DC,
which are all free to go into, and the Zoo.

(01:48:56):
They're all shut down because they are all actually government run. However,
for Washington there are a lot of other museums and
attractions and things to see, but no, it really is
affecting people. And I did also read that members of
Congress are still being paid FRANCHISCA well the.

Speaker 2 (01:49:11):
Area and look, you know, as you say, museums, Zooer's
clothes and Washington d C. All these all these different things,
you know, which it's a massive impact.

Speaker 4 (01:49:20):
And then then are they going to be back paid,
that's a big question.

Speaker 17 (01:49:23):
And then what is it doing.

Speaker 4 (01:49:24):
To you know, brand Uessay has already had their fund
and cut by the US government, so they're out there
trying to encourage international visitors with a brand new campaign,
America the Beautiful and you know, then on the other hand,
we're reading the news and going, actually, are we really welcome?
Very difficult.

Speaker 2 (01:49:41):
Well, the other thing too is a lot of people
have already made their plans.

Speaker 17 (01:49:43):
Right.

Speaker 2 (01:49:44):
It's not like, oh, okay, if I'm going to book
show up in a couple of weeks, I'll make sure
I leave a lot of room before I have to
connect to somewhere else something. People's plans are made, the
trips are planned, that's where they're going.

Speaker 4 (01:49:54):
And you know, yeah, so the good thing is a
book on the one ticket. So I've booked the one
ticket right through from Auckland to Chicago. So that means
if there's a delay or anything, or a cancelation, I'll
be put on the next If you book them in
single sectors, you and you just missed that flight, you
become a no show, Well then you might have to
buy another ticket, so that's always a thing. Try and

(01:50:14):
get us through ticket through your agent or directly online
with your airline website, and that should cover you for
things like this.

Speaker 2 (01:50:22):
Ah, that's very good advice. Hey, you've been to Chicago
to see the All Blacks play before, haven't you.

Speaker 4 (01:50:27):
And they lost and I'm going up again, so am
I to change my costume this time or something?

Speaker 2 (01:50:32):
I'm not sure. Look forward to talking to you next Sunday.
Thank you so much, Megan. It is twelve to twelve.

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Speaker 3 (01:50:51):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:50:51):
I love John Grisham. Can't go wrong with the John
Grisham book, No, especially over a long weekend. Yeah, I
think that's true.

Speaker 22 (01:50:57):
This one is called The Widow and you obviously know
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in courtrooms, but this one has more of a mystery
element to it. As well, although of course there are
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(01:51:18):
marriage is doomed, he's got a nasty gambling habit which
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anywhere near this money. And she also says that she

(01:51:40):
no longer trusts her current lawyer and she'd like Simon
to take her on as a client. Well, of course
he's thrilled. He immediately sees flashing dollar signs and starts
to manage her affairs, and he just skims a little
bit off the top on the way through, which starts
to help him out of the downward spiral that he's
been on. But things don't go smoothly because she's quite
feisty and quite difficult, and he lavishes everything on her.

(01:52:03):
He takes her out for frequently nine slavish lunches, and
he gives her laser focused client attention because she's essentially
on new one, but she's hard to manage. And then
the darts kick in.

Speaker 2 (01:52:15):
Is she really worth all that money?

Speaker 22 (01:52:17):
And when she dies in an apparent car crash and
I'm not giving anything away here, things really turn ugly
and he finds himself facing murder charges and that's where
the John Grisham court room things in.

Speaker 2 (01:52:29):
This is where we cack off. That's really interesting because
when you're sort of first talking, I was going, I
don't know if I like Simon as a character. Doesn't
that sounds sort of sounding like the character I really
want to kind of read about. But now it's sounding interesting.

Speaker 22 (01:52:40):
Well, yeah, And what I would say is that I
think Grisham's box all have a very human element to it,
and Simon fits right into that.

Speaker 2 (01:52:46):
If it's right in okay. Reese Witherspoon, of course, is
a huge book fan who's had her book club for
many many years. She has collaborated with Harlan Coben on
a new book. Yes, it's called Gone Before Goodbye, And
of course listeners may know that Harlan Coben is a
terrific thriller writer, and I think teaming up with Reese
Witherspoon's real smart because he can provide all of the twisty,

(01:53:09):
thrilling action and she can add in the world of
the super wealthare which I suspect she knows a fair
bit about. And it's the story of Maggie mckab who's
been a distinguished army surgeon, but she lost her way,
and she's lost her license to practice, and she's really
down on her luck. And she's approached one day by
a cosmetic surgeon who tells her there's a job going

(01:53:29):
with one of the world's most secretive people, which requires,
of course, complete confidentiality, you know, etc. In return for
millions of dollars if she'll just turn up and perform
what for her is a couple of pretty easy, basic procedures.
But it turns out this secretive guy is an oligarch,
which is where all the money kicks in. So the
action goes from war zones and refugee camps to Ala

(01:53:53):
and Dubai and Russia, and there's some serious money swilling
around and a project which Maggie had been working on
with her husband and her friend gets caught up in
all of this action, and she has to go deeper
and deeper to find out exactly what happened to those
two people and try to untangle a seriously weird and
dangerous situation. And I will just say, there are parts

(01:54:16):
of this that are just ridiculous. But it's fantastic escapism.
It's warp speed, it's high action, and it's great fun.
There we go, perfect for a long weekend. So if
you're looking for a good thriller this weekend, The Widow
by John Grisham was the first book we spoke about,
and gone before Goodbye by Reese Witherspoon and Harlan Copen.
Thank you so much, Johan, see you soon.

Speaker 1 (01:54:36):
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Speaker 7 (01:54:43):
Well.

Speaker 2 (01:54:43):
Thank you very much for your company today. Love you
to have you with us. I hope the rest of
your long weekend goes well. I hope that this weather
doesn't know that we're forecast with some more bad weather.
I hope it's not too bad on you, especially for
those areas who have been severely affected over the week.
Thank you so much to Kirie and Olivia for producing
the show today. Now, as we were talking to Megan about,

(01:55:05):
of course, The All Black are playing Island in Chicago
next weekend Sunday morning kick off around nine ten am,
and of course here on News Talks, we like to
bring this to you live, So you've got a break
from me for a week, but I will be back
with you tomorrow morning. Looking forward to joining you on
Labor Day. We're going to be talking gardening. We're going

(01:55:28):
to be talking about how to keep our brains healthy
and our cognitive function firing. We've also got Mark Betty
with us, who is of course the zoologist and animal behaviors.
He's got a new book out on cats. We're going
to be talking about your pets as well and how
we might be able to help you out with whatever
you've got going on there. So look forward to your
company tomorrow at nine am and during the rest of

(01:55:49):
your day. We're going to end with a little bit
of Bruce Springsteen. How we started the show. He's no Surrender,
Take care.

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