November 22, 2025 • 13 mins
This week on The Sunday Panel, ZB Wellington Mornings host, Nick Mills, and host of The Front Page podcast, Chelsea Daniels, joined in on a discussion about the following issues of the day - and more!
The coalition Government is about to celebrate two years in their roles, what do we think of their progress? Is the coalition starting to re-position itself ahead of the election? Winston Peters has been vocally against the Regulatory Standards Bill - will we see more of this?
Trained GPs will soon be able to diagnose and treat ADHD next year. The College of Psychiatrists has raised concerns ahead of the switch, what do we make of this?
Schoolies is an Australian rite of passage, but the new moolies trend for mums looking to spend big on holidays after the kids have been through school is getting some buzz. Do we need this on our side of the Tasman?
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Speaker 1 (00:06):
You're listening to the Sunday Session podcast with Francesca Rudkin
from News Talks EDB.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
Right, it is time for the panel, and i'd like
to welcome to the Show's day is z B Wellington
Morning's host Nick Millshi Nick Morning, and we also have
the host of the Front Page podcast, Chelsea Daniels. Good morning, Chelsea,
Happy Sunday. Happy Sunday to you too. Right, tomorrow marks
two years of the Coalition government. We're likely under probably
(00:36):
just under a year away from the next election, and
of course I think as we would expect, Nick, we're
sort of starting to see members of the Coalition government
position themselves ahead of the year. Well, you would all
surprised to sort of sit to see Winston sort of
stepping out and you say he'll repeal the Regulatory Standards Act.
Speaker 3 (00:56):
I was a little bit surprised, but not greatly surprised
that that sounds like I'm sitting on a fence. The
thing is that Winston hasn't really enjoyed the time that
he hasn't been Deputy Prime Minister. Think he's trying to
make every postal winner. He's done that with the Inter
Island Fairies and he's you know, shouted that from the
rooftops and he's right, and he's done a fantastic job.
I think that he thinks that this possibility that he
(01:19):
can be more powerful than he is already, and I
think he could be. He probably also thinks that he
could maybe former coalition with just national in him at
the next election. I think that's what's in the back
of his mind. David Seymour probably hasn't been as as
higher profile, successible, successive, successful or likable as Winston has
(01:42):
when he was deputy, so he's trying to bring in
things and be stronger and position his back is better.
So not I'm not at all. I'm not really surprised,
but I am concerned that there's so much chatter about
the prime minister. I am concerned for the country for that.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
Chelsea, what's your take on Winston Peters. I mean it's
he's always sort of said that he'll repeal it. He's
just kind of reminding everybody where he'll stand next year.
Speaker 4 (02:08):
Oh, I'm not surprised at all. I think he started
distancing himself and really electioneering once he handed over the
Deputy prime ministership to David Seymour. I mean, what was
it a few weeks after or something comes out with
a bill in the Biscuit Tin about flying trans flags
and then you know the what is the woman bill
as well? The New Zealand First Party came out after that.
(02:30):
They've always they've been aligning themselves away from the coalition
government for the last six months. So it doesn't surprise
me in the slightest I'd be surprised. I'd be more
surprised if he didn't.
Speaker 2 (02:40):
To be honest with you.
Speaker 4 (02:43):
And in terms of the prime ministership, I mean something
has to happen. They're only a year and I say
only a year away from the election. The polls aren't
looking amazing and Nationals chucked all of the eggs in
that we're going to get ourselves a better economy basket
and it's not working out for them. What do they
do if the economy is only slightly better next year,
(03:04):
which probably will be only slightly what else do they
have to you know, say that they have to achieve?
Speaker 2 (03:11):
What else are they campaigning on? Nick? When do they
make a when di would they.
Speaker 3 (03:15):
Need to get distract Let's get this really really straight
from somebody that is a businessman that's had a really
tough time for a while. Let's get it all out
on the open. If the economy is only slightly better
come election time next year, slightly better, they're in a
lot of trouble. We've held on, we've promised the next
(03:36):
year is going to be right. We understand where the
situation they inherit it, we understand all that stuff. But
if it's only slightly better, you know they're in trouble.
I don't think. I don't think the popularity of Christopher
Luxen is the issue. The issue is they have as
a coalition, had to make some extremely hard decisions, hurt
(03:58):
a hell of a lot of people that weren't even
hurting before. Some people that were doing okay in business
really are struggling now in business because of the they've made.
So I don't think it's really I think you could
have you know, Michael Jackson being the Prime Minister of
New Zealand, and he'll be very unpopular. Whatever whoever you
can think of will be unpopular. It's just the decisions
(04:20):
they're making. So I think we've got to see some success,
some big success as a country early next year.
Speaker 4 (04:28):
But Michael Jackson is the most uncontroversial figure you could
think of on a dime neck.
Speaker 3 (04:34):
Yeah, yeah, I know, I stick of a big name.
Speaker 2 (04:36):
But Nick, here's the question. You know that the person
who's ultimately responsible for all those issues and all the
things which aren't wrong is the Prime minister. So when
do you get concerned? When does the chatter sort of
start becoming a little bit more serious about what you
do about your leadership.
Speaker 3 (04:52):
My concern is it's a popularity contest, and this position
shouldn't be a popularity contest. Yes, he doesn't gell to
a lot of people. I've met him a few times,
and I think he's a fantastic guy. I mean, I
like him as a guy, I like him as a person.
I have struggled in business because of decisions that his
government's made, but that doesn't stop me from thinking that
(05:13):
hopefully he's doing the right for the country. And someone
said to me yesterday, and I love this quote. Those
who are doing well right now love the coalition and
love what's going on. Those who are not doing well
hate the coalition. They've always got it. When someone's not
doing well, they've always got to blame someone else. And
it's an easy blame. So those who are not doing
(05:33):
well are blaming a the Prime Minister and be the
government and guess what, there's one hell of a lot
of us not doing well right now.
Speaker 2 (05:42):
I mean, Chelsea, politicians are always going to politic, aren't they.
I mean, that's part of what you expect. These sort
of conversations always wipe part. But the coalition has another
essentially another year to get things done, so I would
suggest that sort of put a little bit more of
that behind you and sort of get back to the
do list.
Speaker 4 (06:01):
I mean, that's what they probably should be doing. But
in terms of you know, the politicians coming back after
Christmas time, it's going to be full, you know, full gear.
If you've got you've got polls out there suggesting that
labor can do a better job with the economy at
this point, when that's something that you fully elected did
on last election, then you've got real issues. And unfortunately
(06:21):
it shouldn't be a popularity contest. But it is like
the thought of having another Chris versus Chris as well,
it is just I mean, I'm falling asleep at the minute,
do you know.
Speaker 3 (06:32):
What I mean?
Speaker 4 (06:34):
They need somebody charismatic, they need somebody who can you know,
be good on and off camera. The campaigning also needs
a real kick up the ass. I mean, I've been
completely enthralled by Zoran Mumdani's election campaign in New York.
Whatever hit you think about his progressive ideas and liberalism,
(06:54):
the campaign was just on point. And so I reckon,
there's gonna be some real hard conversations, especially over summer
before next year, and they'll be they'll be straight off
the bat.
Speaker 3 (07:04):
Can someone give me that person? Can someone give me
that person?
Speaker 2 (07:09):
Oh, we're looking.
Speaker 5 (07:13):
Maybe with.
Speaker 4 (07:15):
Something.
Speaker 3 (07:18):
Go back to Michael Jackson.
Speaker 4 (07:21):
Was he back in the running.
Speaker 2 (07:22):
Right where he came about?
Speaker 3 (07:23):
Right?
Speaker 2 (07:24):
We're going to move on from Michael Jackson. I want
to talk to you too. You've started off the show
by talking to a psychiatrist about the changes which are
going to happen on February the first next year, and
we're going to have trained gps who are able to
diagnose and prescribe for ADHD for eighteen and over. Are
you confident next to of hearing this that gps are
(07:46):
going to be ready to do this?
Speaker 3 (07:49):
That?
Speaker 2 (07:49):
I mean, obviously you do a bit of training and
off you go. You're feeling confident that this is a
good way to deal with the difficulty we have in
people getting access to diagnoses.
Speaker 3 (08:02):
Hell no, it terrifies me. It terrifies me because every
time and I did an hour on this on the show,
when you go to your GP, now they're writing in
your problems and putting it into a computer and looking
for an answer from your computer. And that's thinking about it.
This is the mind, the brain. This is expertise far
(08:24):
and away different to being a GP and a medical problem.
And you know what, Twice twice in the last five years,
and I employ and work with a lot of young
people under pressure from university or studying and do all
that sort of stuff, and twice they've gone to the
GP saying, telling me is their boss, I've got problems
and they've gone to the GP. The first thing they
(08:46):
diagnose them with is antidepressants. And listen, that's not the
way to fix everything. And I know I hate the idea, sorry, Chelsea.
Speaker 2 (08:54):
So gps are going to have up to sort of
four hours to make the diagnosis with the patient. How
are you feeling about it? Do you feel if they've
had the proper training and we have good referrals for
people who have more more than just ADHD on their hands,
who need further assessment that we've got that referral process
in place, are you feeling confident about it.
Speaker 4 (09:15):
I'm on the fence with this one, you know, because
on one hand, the system is completely overrun, right in
order to get it an ADHD diagnosis in this country,
you've got to jump through hoops, do the market ana
and you know, list off all of the capitals of
every state of the US.
Speaker 3 (09:30):
Like.
Speaker 4 (09:30):
It's incredibly difficult and incredibly expensive. So for those who
really need it, then yes, one hundred percent. I think
it's a great idea.
Speaker 5 (09:40):
But those who will dupe the system because they want
to be prescribed a little drug called ritalin for I
don't know it's used recreationally.
Speaker 4 (09:51):
I believe amongst young people as well. I mean, that's
where I'm a bit iffy, And that's where you know,
these trained gps. I want to know about the training.
I want to know if it's going to be a
weak course. I want to know if it's going to
be online, you know what I mean. So I'm here there,
I'm underside.
Speaker 2 (10:09):
I feel I'm a little bit hesitant, a bit like
you tune Nick, because I think that often you don't
just have one thing when you're near a divergent and
there's a little bit more at play which kind of
needs to be looked at and thought about. So I
feel a little bit the same as you, Nick, just
sort of I think we need to be very cautious
about this. Hey, look, just before you both go something
which really kind of grab my attention. And this will
(10:29):
ring a bell to you, Chelsea. Of course, in Australia,
when you finish school, you have school this week, right,
and the kids will take off, they go to the
Gold Coast or something, don't that and they go crazy.
So there's this new thing. It's for moviiues and this
is for the mums or the parents who no longer
have kids at school who get to they're all going
(10:51):
to NUSA to party. And I've just my youngest is
just finished school. And you know what, Chelsea, I think
this is the best idea ever. I could definitely join
those movies and go and celebrate the end of what
feels like a very long time of having my kids school.
You still with me, Chelsey, Oh yeah, no, I.
Speaker 4 (11:10):
Think it's a fantastic idea. Goodness, man, I mean, the
choice to have children in the beginning haunts my mind.
So imagine having that for eighteen years and being responsible
for an actual human being for eighteen years, and then
being able to let off steam after that eighteen years.
I think it's fantastic idea.
Speaker 2 (11:27):
What about you nat your kids all through school and
finished and did you celebrate.
Speaker 3 (11:32):
Yeah, I didn't celebrate at all. I think it's the
greatest time of your life. And I think that, And
who am I to question what excites a woman and
gives them the opportunity to break out and have a
good time. So I'm down for that, one hundred percent.
Down for that, especially if you're going with a whole
bunch of your mates and you oh, down for it. Well,
nothing better to see in a restaurant than a group
(11:53):
of women having a good time breaking away from their husbands, laughing,
they laugh. Men don't laugh. When they get together as
a group of women, they have fun, they laugh, they're free.
It's fantastic. So I'm not one to mean on that,
but I can tell you from experience that kind of
it's a sad moment in your life when your kids
finished school, because that whole involvement and the whole schooling thing,
(12:16):
and it's just I think it's one of the most
important and fun parts of your life.
Speaker 2 (12:21):
Oh, Nick, I feel terrible that I'm really excited about it.
I feel like I've done my time, don't.
Speaker 3 (12:29):
You.
Speaker 2 (12:29):
I'm looking forward, not back. I've done my time, I've
done my contribution, I've done my parent help, I've We've
got through it all, and I'm just really excited watching
your kids kind of taken off and becoming independent and
making their own decisions and seeing where it all go on. God, Nick,
I'm all for it.
Speaker 3 (12:45):
I'm much the truth for you. I'll get one little
line that they don't go anywhere home. Truth is, they
never ever ever leave you.
Speaker 5 (12:53):
Good.
Speaker 2 (12:54):
That's that's good. Thank you so much, Nick Mills and
Chelsea Daniels.
Speaker 1 (12:59):
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Speaker 2 (00:13):
Right, it is time for the panel, and i'd like
to welcome to the Show's day is z B Wellington
Morning's host Nick Millshi Nick Morning, and we also have
the host of the Front Page podcast, Chelsea Daniels. Good morning, Chelsea,
Happy Sunday. Happy Sunday to you too. Right, tomorrow marks
two years of the Coalition government. We're likely under probably
(00:36):
just under a year away from the next election, and
of course I think as we would expect, Nick, we're
sort of starting to see members of the Coalition government
position themselves ahead of the year. Well, you would all
surprised to sort of sit to see Winston sort of
stepping out and you say he'll repeal the Regulatory Standards Act.
Speaker 3 (00:56):
I was a little bit surprised, but not greatly surprised
that that sounds like I'm sitting on a fence. The
thing is that Winston hasn't really enjoyed the time that
he hasn't been Deputy Prime Minister. Think he's trying to
make every postal winner. He's done that with the Inter
Island Fairies and he's you know, shouted that from the
rooftops and he's right, and he's done a fantastic job.
I think that he thinks that this possibility that he
(01:19):
can be more powerful than he is already, and I
think he could be. He probably also thinks that he
could maybe former coalition with just national in him at
the next election. I think that's what's in the back
of his mind. David Seymour probably hasn't been as as
higher profile, successible, successive, successful or likable as Winston has
(01:42):
when he was deputy, so he's trying to bring in
things and be stronger and position his back is better.
So not I'm not at all. I'm not really surprised,
but I am concerned that there's so much chatter about
the prime minister. I am concerned for the country for that.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
Chelsea, what's your take on Winston Peters. I mean it's
he's always sort of said that he'll repeal it. He's
just kind of reminding everybody where he'll stand next year.
Speaker 4 (02:08):
Oh, I'm not surprised at all. I think he started
distancing himself and really electioneering once he handed over the
Deputy prime ministership to David Seymour. I mean, what was
it a few weeks after or something comes out with
a bill in the Biscuit Tin about flying trans flags
and then you know the what is the woman bill
as well? The New Zealand First Party came out after that.
(02:30):
They've always they've been aligning themselves away from the coalition
government for the last six months. So it doesn't surprise
me in the slightest I'd be surprised. I'd be more
surprised if he didn't.
Speaker 2 (02:40):
To be honest with you.
Speaker 4 (02:43):
And in terms of the prime ministership, I mean something
has to happen. They're only a year and I say
only a year away from the election. The polls aren't
looking amazing and Nationals chucked all of the eggs in
that we're going to get ourselves a better economy basket
and it's not working out for them. What do they
do if the economy is only slightly better next year,
(03:04):
which probably will be only slightly what else do they
have to you know, say that they have to achieve?
Speaker 2 (03:11):
What else are they campaigning on? Nick? When do they
make a when di would they.
Speaker 3 (03:15):
Need to get distract Let's get this really really straight
from somebody that is a businessman that's had a really
tough time for a while. Let's get it all out
on the open. If the economy is only slightly better
come election time next year, slightly better, they're in a
lot of trouble. We've held on, we've promised the next
(03:36):
year is going to be right. We understand where the
situation they inherit it, we understand all that stuff. But
if it's only slightly better, you know they're in trouble.
I don't think. I don't think the popularity of Christopher
Luxen is the issue. The issue is they have as
a coalition, had to make some extremely hard decisions, hurt
(03:58):
a hell of a lot of people that weren't even
hurting before. Some people that were doing okay in business
really are struggling now in business because of the they've made.
So I don't think it's really I think you could
have you know, Michael Jackson being the Prime Minister of
New Zealand, and he'll be very unpopular. Whatever whoever you
can think of will be unpopular. It's just the decisions
(04:20):
they're making. So I think we've got to see some success,
some big success as a country early next year.
Speaker 4 (04:28):
But Michael Jackson is the most uncontroversial figure you could
think of on a dime neck.
Speaker 3 (04:34):
Yeah, yeah, I know, I stick of a big name.
Speaker 2 (04:36):
But Nick, here's the question. You know that the person
who's ultimately responsible for all those issues and all the
things which aren't wrong is the Prime minister. So when
do you get concerned? When does the chatter sort of
start becoming a little bit more serious about what you
do about your leadership.
Speaker 3 (04:52):
My concern is it's a popularity contest, and this position
shouldn't be a popularity contest. Yes, he doesn't gell to
a lot of people. I've met him a few times,
and I think he's a fantastic guy. I mean, I
like him as a guy, I like him as a person.
I have struggled in business because of decisions that his
government's made, but that doesn't stop me from thinking that
(05:13):
hopefully he's doing the right for the country. And someone
said to me yesterday, and I love this quote. Those
who are doing well right now love the coalition and
love what's going on. Those who are not doing well
hate the coalition. They've always got it. When someone's not
doing well, they've always got to blame someone else. And
it's an easy blame. So those who are not doing
(05:33):
well are blaming a the Prime Minister and be the
government and guess what, there's one hell of a lot
of us not doing well right now.
Speaker 2 (05:42):
I mean, Chelsea, politicians are always going to politic, aren't they.
I mean, that's part of what you expect. These sort
of conversations always wipe part. But the coalition has another
essentially another year to get things done, so I would
suggest that sort of put a little bit more of
that behind you and sort of get back to the
do list.
Speaker 4 (06:01):
I mean, that's what they probably should be doing. But
in terms of you know, the politicians coming back after
Christmas time, it's going to be full, you know, full gear.
If you've got you've got polls out there suggesting that
labor can do a better job with the economy at
this point, when that's something that you fully elected did
on last election, then you've got real issues. And unfortunately
(06:21):
it shouldn't be a popularity contest. But it is like
the thought of having another Chris versus Chris as well,
it is just I mean, I'm falling asleep at the minute,
do you know.
Speaker 3 (06:32):
What I mean?
Speaker 4 (06:34):
They need somebody charismatic, they need somebody who can you know,
be good on and off camera. The campaigning also needs
a real kick up the ass. I mean, I've been
completely enthralled by Zoran Mumdani's election campaign in New York.
Whatever hit you think about his progressive ideas and liberalism,
(06:54):
the campaign was just on point. And so I reckon,
there's gonna be some real hard conversations, especially over summer
before next year, and they'll be they'll be straight off
the bat.
Speaker 3 (07:04):
Can someone give me that person? Can someone give me
that person?
Speaker 2 (07:09):
Oh, we're looking.
Speaker 5 (07:13):
Maybe with.
Speaker 4 (07:15):
Something.
Speaker 3 (07:18):
Go back to Michael Jackson.
Speaker 4 (07:21):
Was he back in the running.
Speaker 2 (07:22):
Right where he came about?
Speaker 3 (07:23):
Right?
Speaker 2 (07:24):
We're going to move on from Michael Jackson. I want
to talk to you too. You've started off the show
by talking to a psychiatrist about the changes which are
going to happen on February the first next year, and
we're going to have trained gps who are able to
diagnose and prescribe for ADHD for eighteen and over. Are
you confident next to of hearing this that gps are
(07:46):
going to be ready to do this?
Speaker 3 (07:49):
That?
Speaker 2 (07:49):
I mean, obviously you do a bit of training and
off you go. You're feeling confident that this is a
good way to deal with the difficulty we have in
people getting access to diagnoses.
Speaker 3 (08:02):
Hell no, it terrifies me. It terrifies me because every
time and I did an hour on this on the show,
when you go to your GP, now they're writing in
your problems and putting it into a computer and looking
for an answer from your computer. And that's thinking about it.
This is the mind, the brain. This is expertise far
(08:24):
and away different to being a GP and a medical problem.
And you know what, Twice twice in the last five years,
and I employ and work with a lot of young
people under pressure from university or studying and do all
that sort of stuff, and twice they've gone to the
GP saying, telling me is their boss, I've got problems
and they've gone to the GP. The first thing they
(08:46):
diagnose them with is antidepressants. And listen, that's not the
way to fix everything. And I know I hate the idea, sorry, Chelsea.
Speaker 2 (08:54):
So gps are going to have up to sort of
four hours to make the diagnosis with the patient. How
are you feeling about it? Do you feel if they've
had the proper training and we have good referrals for
people who have more more than just ADHD on their hands,
who need further assessment that we've got that referral process
in place, are you feeling confident about it.
Speaker 4 (09:15):
I'm on the fence with this one, you know, because
on one hand, the system is completely overrun, right in
order to get it an ADHD diagnosis in this country,
you've got to jump through hoops, do the market ana
and you know, list off all of the capitals of
every state of the US.
Speaker 3 (09:30):
Like.
Speaker 4 (09:30):
It's incredibly difficult and incredibly expensive. So for those who
really need it, then yes, one hundred percent. I think
it's a great idea.
Speaker 5 (09:40):
But those who will dupe the system because they want
to be prescribed a little drug called ritalin for I
don't know it's used recreationally.
Speaker 4 (09:51):
I believe amongst young people as well. I mean, that's
where I'm a bit iffy, And that's where you know,
these trained gps. I want to know about the training.
I want to know if it's going to be a
weak course. I want to know if it's going to
be online, you know what I mean. So I'm here there,
I'm underside.
Speaker 2 (10:09):
I feel I'm a little bit hesitant, a bit like
you tune Nick, because I think that often you don't
just have one thing when you're near a divergent and
there's a little bit more at play which kind of
needs to be looked at and thought about. So I
feel a little bit the same as you, Nick, just
sort of I think we need to be very cautious
about this. Hey, look, just before you both go something
which really kind of grab my attention. And this will
(10:29):
ring a bell to you, Chelsea. Of course, in Australia,
when you finish school, you have school this week, right,
and the kids will take off, they go to the
Gold Coast or something, don't that and they go crazy.
So there's this new thing. It's for moviiues and this
is for the mums or the parents who no longer
have kids at school who get to they're all going
(10:51):
to NUSA to party. And I've just my youngest is
just finished school. And you know what, Chelsea, I think
this is the best idea ever. I could definitely join
those movies and go and celebrate the end of what
feels like a very long time of having my kids school.
You still with me, Chelsey, Oh yeah, no, I.
Speaker 4 (11:10):
Think it's a fantastic idea. Goodness, man, I mean, the
choice to have children in the beginning haunts my mind.
So imagine having that for eighteen years and being responsible
for an actual human being for eighteen years, and then
being able to let off steam after that eighteen years.
I think it's fantastic idea.
Speaker 2 (11:27):
What about you nat your kids all through school and
finished and did you celebrate.
Speaker 3 (11:32):
Yeah, I didn't celebrate at all. I think it's the
greatest time of your life. And I think that, And
who am I to question what excites a woman and
gives them the opportunity to break out and have a
good time. So I'm down for that, one hundred percent.
Down for that, especially if you're going with a whole
bunch of your mates and you oh, down for it. Well,
nothing better to see in a restaurant than a group
(11:53):
of women having a good time breaking away from their husbands, laughing,
they laugh. Men don't laugh. When they get together as
a group of women, they have fun, they laugh, they're free.
It's fantastic. So I'm not one to mean on that,
but I can tell you from experience that kind of
it's a sad moment in your life when your kids
finished school, because that whole involvement and the whole schooling thing,
(12:16):
and it's just I think it's one of the most
important and fun parts of your life.
Speaker 2 (12:21):
Oh, Nick, I feel terrible that I'm really excited about it.
I feel like I've done my time, don't.
Speaker 3 (12:29):
You.
Speaker 2 (12:29):
I'm looking forward, not back. I've done my time, I've
done my contribution, I've done my parent help, I've We've
got through it all, and I'm just really excited watching
your kids kind of taken off and becoming independent and
making their own decisions and seeing where it all go on. God, Nick,
I'm all for it.
Speaker 3 (12:45):
I'm much the truth for you. I'll get one little
line that they don't go anywhere home. Truth is, they
never ever ever leave you.
Speaker 5 (12:53):
Good.
Speaker 2 (12:54):
That's that's good. Thank you so much, Nick Mills and
Chelsea Daniels.
Speaker 1 (12:59):
For more from the Sunday session with Francesca Rudkin, listen
live to News Talks It'd be from nine am Sunday,
or follow the podcast on iHeartRadio.
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