Full Show Podcast: 23 November 2025

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Speaker 1 (00:06):
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Welcome to the Sunday Session. Good to have you with us.
I'm Francesca Rudkin. With you until midday. Yottam Otto Lingey
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country singer, and she's just released her debut album, Hometown Therapy.
We're going to have a listen to and a chat
about the album later in the show, and of course
the All Blacks bet Wales this morning fifty two to
twenty six, we get a post to a wrap up
with Elliott shortly and you're most welcome to text me
anytime throughout the morning. On ninety two ninety two, the

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Sunday session. It is eight past nine, So yesterday my
son's contract with his Kentbury University Hall came to an end.
He was officially a hall member for forty one weeks,
but when you take into account the mid semester and
the semester breaks, he was only there for thirty two
and a half weeks, so that was about twenty grand
for thirty two weeks. This in fees around nine thousand,

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depending on what you're studying, means the cost of a
university degree is quite confronting. I'm sure it's something that's
on the mind of many year thirteen students and their
parents who are wrapping up their final year of school
and potentially looking to leave home for study next year.
Is it worth it I'm not so sure anymore. Our

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son wanted to go to Christich because he was ready
to leave home and be independent. He'd heard his father's
stories of friends made for life, nonsense and laughter when
he was in a hall. He wanted an adventure, to
share it with old friends and to make new ones.
My preference, practical as ever, was for him to stay
at home and go to the local university. He had
a part time job in Auckland. You could live at home.

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It just makes sense, I would say. But deep down
we knew he was ready to go and needed to go.
Some have no choice but to leave home to go
to university. But for those who do have a choice
and value it as a growing up experience, the commitment
is becoming tougher. Once it was considered a rite of
passage for many students who live in our main cities

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to leave home for university. It was a steppingstone, wasn't it,
to spreading your wings and flying off into the world. Now,
though it comes with a substantial financial burden for students,
parents and the government, The current interest free study Link
loan isn't enough to cover weekly hall fees. Of course,
we expect that are starting to get a part time
job to help with the costs and keep debt down. However,

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we didn't anticipate how hard it would be to find
a new gig in a new city. The second year
isn't going to be any easier, with student flat rentals
in high demand. Students I know in christ yet will
next year be paying anything from one hundred and fifty
for a room that fits a single bed to two
hundred and thirty dollars per week. Then there's the cost
of food and utilities. At least they're learning to budget.

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I suppose I appreciate that if you have a choice
and you don't need to leave your hometown to go
to university, it's on the nose to complain about how
tough it is for students who do. And look, if
the demand for halls is anything to go by, Canterbury
halls are well oversubscribed. The cost of a university education
doesn't seem to be putting everybody off, But I just

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wonder how much longer it will last. With the once
proud carew tradition of heading off to the union halls
coming something only those with increasingly hefty financial support will
be able to manage.

Speaker 2 (04:13):
The Sunday Session.

Speaker 3 (04:14):
So I wonder if this is a conversation you're having
with your teenager at the moment. You know, are you
a parent who is about to have to help fit
the ball? What the bill? What decisions have you made?
I do wonder whether the cost of it is becoming
more of a priority than the life experience that is
also part of it as well. Ninety two ninety two

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is the text right up. Next we head to Wales
to talk rugby with Elliott Smith. It is eleven past.

Speaker 1 (04:41):
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Speaker 3 (04:54):
The All Blacks have finished twenty twenty five of the
convincing fifty two to twenty six win over Wales and Cardiff.
Here's captain Scott Barrett post match.

Speaker 4 (05:03):
Means proud of the group to finish, you know, our
tour on a like that, you know we wanted to
play you know, eighty minutes to rugby that we could
be proud of and I think we did that for
the most part.

Speaker 3 (05:13):
Tonight Zipby Head rugby commentator Elliot Smith joins me now
from Wales. Good morning Elliott, Good morning Francesca. So Wales
did their best, asked a few questions of the All
Blacks at times, but it was a decisive win for
the Abs and a good end of the tour.

Speaker 5 (05:28):
Yes, yeah, I think they'll be relatively happy with that
the All Blacks. It certainly wasn't all pretty. The edge
defense was left wanting at times. They probably won't be
overly happy with the fact that they lead in four
tries to Wales, who had struggled to get their attack
going for a couple of years now, including a hat
trick to one of the Wales wingers, Tom Rodgers. But

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by and large it was a solid enough All Blacks
performance and if this was going to be a performance,
if they had one last week in England to clinch
the Grand Slam, then you'd be pretty happy with it.
I think there'll be a few rocks under the beach
tails as the All Blacks for peer to head home
was solid enough, but it wasn't as good as the
All Blacks know they can be. Having said that, they

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still put fifty on what was a pretty happy as
well a side. By the end of it, they were strong,
as you said, for fifty to fifty five minutes, but
once they were out of the contests, they were really
out of the contest. So job done for the All Blacks.
They can head home ten to three record for the year,
but still prilliant.

Speaker 3 (06:26):
Questions about this team quite a different team from the
other teams that have taken, you know, the field over
the last month. Was this a good move for Robson?

Speaker 5 (06:35):
I think you had to do it, needed to freshen
things up in a way for a lot of these
players that had been holding tackle bags for three weeks,
and that doesn't guarantee you an All Blacks gain by
any stretch of the imagination. But given they came back
from London with a defeat, there was some spark that
was needed. And as I said, these players, you know,

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worthy of opportunities. He did select them in the squad
and you need to see a bit more about them
with an eye to twenty twenty six and twenty twenty seven.
Rico Juani hasn't had many opportunities recently. I thought he
was solid in midfield. We saw the likes of Antone
at Brown as well, Ruben Love who's been waiting on
the sidelines, just desperate for an appearance ever since his

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first start back in Hamilton in July. Getting his second
start now, he took his opportunities, went off with an
ankle injury late in the game. But I think by
and large, you know, for the All Blacks, they would
have learned a little bit more about some of these
players heading into twenty twenty six. Rub and Love I
thought Gavin plenty to think about. But it was also
opportunity to get some of these players on the park

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and develop combinations. Scott Robinson, you know, he's talked a
lot about the four four four combinations for the World
Cup in twenty seven, four deep in every position. To
win a fourth World Cup for the All Blacks, you've
got to give players opportunities and that's what they did,
and by and large those players took them tonight.

Speaker 3 (07:54):
And look you mentioned the World Cup there, we're two
years out from the World Cup. I mean this is
the time to try new talent and to find that
new talent and we've seen stars like Babian Holland and
there were a car to step up. But at times
elections have been a bit hit and miss. Do you
think development is on track?

Speaker 6 (08:10):
No?

Speaker 5 (08:11):
I think there needs to be probably more opportunities given
to these young players. Having said that, there hasn't been
a great deal of games where you would be comfortable
enough to give some of these players opportunities. And it's
been a fine and delicate balancing act. And I don't
know that Scott Robinson's got it right every time, but
he hasn't also had games where you're expected to win
and win well through his tenure.

Speaker 7 (08:32):
He had Japan last year.

Speaker 5 (08:34):
That's been the only real team Tier two team that
he's had in his entire coaching with the All Blacks.
He hasn't had a Fiji or some more or Tonga
or the United States or anything like that to be
able to develop players and give new players opportunities. So
they've had to learn on the job. They've I think
had nineteen All Blacks since Scott Robinson took over. Some

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of those have been great successes. You think of Wall
was to Titi has done really well, Fabian Holans winning
the World Rugby Breakthrough Player of the Year this year.
Those players who have quickly assumed players spots, you know,
the regular starting lineup for the All Blacks. But there's
also been players like Reuben Love that have really had
to wait for opportunities and they haven't probably come quick
enough so because a delicate balancing act. But I think

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at the midway point from the World Cup they probably
would have liked to be a little bit further ahead
with some of that depth than are at the moment.

Speaker 3 (09:25):
Elliott, how would you rate this tour.

Speaker 5 (09:29):
I think it's been a failure for the All Blacks.
That they've talked a lot about coming up and Grand
Slam and ultimately that's not what they leave with. And
when you talk about that and you know underline it
as something you want to get out of it, you're
going to be judged against that, and judge they are
because they didn't win it, and they went good enough
against England last week and that showed that they've got

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a bit of work to do to catch up with
the best teams in the world. Yes, they're ranked second
on the world rankings, but the All Blacks are expected
to be at number one, and clearly at the moment
the gap to South Africa is big and you could
probably put England in there and maybe even France as well.
So I think the All Blacks will look back at
this tour as a missed opportunity perhaps you know that

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you look at it in isolation, that England game just
stands out like a saw point. They did well to
rally in Chicago against Ireland and blew them off the
park in the last twenty minutes. They had to really
rally l it against Scotland and they won convincingly this
afternoon of this evening here in Cardiff. But ultimately it's
that England loss that will define this tour and not

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the other three games. And that's the territory you go
with the All Blacks is that you're defined more so
by your losses, especially you know in non tournament years
than you are your wins. And that's where Scott Robertson sits.
You know, he's won ten games this year, but it's
the three losses that we're talking about in Argentina, in
South Africa against South Africa rather and then again last

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week in London. So this is the wild the All
Blacks live in. And you know there's a lot of
improvements still to come and needed from this team. You know,
two years out from a World Cup.

Speaker 3 (11:05):
My next Christian was going to be you know, are
you feeling a bit more positive if you look at
the All Blacks a year in general, but I'm anticipating
the answer is not necessarily no.

Speaker 5 (11:16):
And look, this is the tough thing about international coaching.
As I said, you probably define more by your losses
than your wins. And it's the territory that comes with
the job and you know everyone. And it's different to
Super Rugby, where in Super Rugby, if you win the
title at the end of the season, no one remembers
what happens in rounds five, six and seven. But for

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an All Blacks coach, you're you know, you're judged on
every game from minute one, as they were in Dneedn
this year, to the final minute of the season here
at Principality Stadium in Cardiff, and those losses do mean
a lot and there is, you know, a certain judgment
that comes with that. So I think with the All Blacks,
you know, being in the position they are, twenty twenty

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seven looks like a long way away in terms of
winning a World Cup. There will need to be big
strides to come before the year. They might need to
look at some of the division of labor or that
the coaching and they're set up. Jason Hollins obviously left
now at the conclusion of this tour. So this is
an opportunity midway through the World Cup cycle to really
take stock and go what's going to get the All
Blacks of the World Cup? Because at the moment they're

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off the pace. But the question is by how much
compared to the likes of South Africa.

Speaker 3 (12:23):
Elliott Smith, thank you so much for your time and
do a travel home safe.

Speaker 5 (12:27):
Thanks Frenches.

Speaker 3 (12:28):
Heah right, So keen to hear your thoughts there. From
what Elliott had to say, he was but harsh, wasn't he.
I wonder if we haven't been putting them up in
decent enough accommodation. He's just ready to come home. But
you know, do you book, do you agree with them?
Is the tour? Do you see it as a failure?
Do you think that the All Blacks are off the
pace when we're thinking about being prepared for the Rugby
World Cup. The development program, as you said, fine and

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delicate balance, but are these young players getting enough opportunity
on the field. Muzz was not convinced by the game.
Thank I for you. Text ninety two ninety two and
other text here reads the All Blacks were crap let's
be honest, stop the woke crap and sack Robertson and
get rid of the deed. Would call I take you
you really feel this morning, folks. Let's not forget. It
was a win though, so that's not too bad.

Speaker 2 (13:12):
The Sunday session.

Speaker 8 (13:15):
Okay.

Speaker 3 (13:15):
The Royal Australian and New Zealand College of Psychiatrists so
calling for caution ahead of a change to ADHD diagnosis
and treatment early next year as February first GP. As
of February first, GPS and nurse practitioners will be able
to diagnose and treat ADHD and those over eighteen. Spokesperson
Doctor David Chin represents the College of Psychiatrists in a

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group that advises on health policy, and he joins me, now,
thanks so much for your time this morning. David, Good morning,
good morning.

Speaker 9 (13:42):
Thanks for having me on.

Speaker 3 (13:44):
Talk me through where you sit on this. What are
your concerns ahead of this change next year?

Speaker 9 (13:49):
Look, I think it's important to be clear that ADHD
has been an underrecognized condition for quite some time and
it's been really hard for people to get access to
timely assessments across the age span. Really, so as part
of a wider group. We've been working on increasing access,

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particularly for those over eighteen who this has been harder
for to achieve, and we need to make sure this
is done in a careful, considered way, so as you know,
the changes will take place, particularly for those over eighteen
for nose practitioners and gps to be able to initiate
stimulant medication diagnosed treat ADHD, which is a good thing

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and it's important this is being done in conjunction with
adequate training guidelines and also support from other practitioners as well.

Speaker 3 (14:40):
So will all gps be able to do this? You
mentioned training? There will gps have to take on some
specialized training in this area.

Speaker 9 (14:48):
Yes, there'll be additional training available to them and there
are various packages being worked out at the moment. Our
college is has put together a particular certificate in Mental
Health Care for primary practitioners that they're hoping will be
available soon. But there's also other packages of training as well,
and it'll really be gps who feel comfortable to undertake

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this role and who've done some additional training who'll be
doing these assessments and starting medication for people and whom
that's suitable.

Speaker 3 (15:22):
And David ideally, we're not diagnosing in a fifteen minute appointment.

Speaker 9 (15:25):
Are we absolutely? Absolutely so. The consensus document we've worked
upon suggests that this should be a comprehensive assessment. It's
likely in the order of one, two, up to three
hours in total. That's not that long in a room
with somebody that might be the GP or the NIS practitioner,
liaising with say somebody's parents, or reviewing old records to

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try to feel that there's a robust, consistent diagnosis of
ADHD for that person.

Speaker 3 (15:56):
Okay, so are we ready to safely make these changes
come the first of February? Will gps be ready to
take this on?

Speaker 9 (16:04):
I think it's important to know that gps are highly
specialized practitioners and they manage a number of different complicated conditions,
and I think within the general practice there will be
a dimension into dimension in terms of some who feel
more ready than others, and I would expect it will
be those who are more ready, who feel that they

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have the expertise and who undertake this aditional training to
do this. There will be some who feel that this
is not something they feel comfortable at this point in time,
and it's important that they don't take that on unless
they do feel able to do this additional role.

Speaker 3 (16:39):
David, do you have any other concerns ahead of the
move to this model? Is there anything else you'd like
to see tweaked when it comes to implementing it?

Speaker 9 (16:48):
Yes. I think as well as the training, the guidelines
to support from other practitioners, it's important that there are
clear referral pathways for gps that if there is additional complexity,
they don't feel that they're undertaking roles or assessments that
they feel or beyond them, and that specialists able to
fulfill that role. It's also likely that with undertaking these assessments,

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additional co occurring conditions might be recognized, and again it's
important that the GP or the nest practitioner recognizes that
this is either within or outside of one's scope and
asks for specialists to get involved at the appropriate time.

Speaker 3 (17:26):
That's really important because I think anybody out there who'shiden
experience with an ADHD diagnosis, we'll know that it often
comes with other things. It's not often now just on
its own, is it. David?

Speaker 9 (17:36):
Absolutely?

Speaker 2 (17:37):
Absolutely.

Speaker 9 (17:37):
We know that many conditions can co occur with ADHD
or mimic ADHD as well, So the assessment has to
be comprehensive to make sure that ADHD feels like the
right fit, but often does co occur. Conditions such as autism,
anxiety disorders, substance use disorders can or co occur with
ADHD need to be recognized and treated well in their
own right.

Speaker 3 (17:57):
You mentioned David earlier on you know it's been had
to get access to get assisted in things. In terms
of meeting the demand, Is this the best way to
meet it?

Speaker 9 (18:07):
I think it's one of a package of ways to
meet it. I think it's important to recognize that there
are certain groups who in whom it's been particularly hard
to access treatment. We talk about there's evidence that for
MARI they've been disproportedly affected, females have been disportantly underdiagnosed,
and across adult and charge and youth services, it's been

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particularly harder for adults to get assessments as the landscape
currently sits. So this is certainly one way to do that,
but we'd advocate additional ways as well. I think it's
also important to recognize that ADHD, although medication can play
a really important role, there are other non medication approaches
to support people with ADHD as well, and it's important

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we continue to try to provide those so there's a
comprehensive package and people have choice about the kind of
approach they'd like to take.

Speaker 3 (18:59):
What role do psychiatrists need to play in ADHD diagnosis
in this new.

Speaker 9 (19:03):
Model, I would still expect psychiatrists and mental health practitioners
to undertake more complicated assessments, those that seem to be
beyond the scopes of nurse practitioners or gps, and as
our colleagues undertake these newer roles, supporting them to undertake

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these roles is really important, So I would expect that
people work with locally based nurse practitioners and gps to
support them to do this, whether that's formalized pre support
groups or even more informal relationships with the primary primary
care practitioners in one region.

Speaker 3 (19:44):
Doctor David Chin, thank you so much for your time
this morning. Really appreciate you talking us through that. So
that gives you a bit of an idea of what
to expect on February first, especially if you have been
trying to get a diagnosis up to now, you might
need to start looking for a GP who who has
put their hand up and is doing the training right.
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Speaker 1 (20:07):
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Speaker 3 (20:14):
Do you anyway now? As news DOGSDB Senior political reporter
Azaria Howe, Good morning, Azaria.

Speaker 10 (20:19):
Good morning.

Speaker 3 (20:19):
Good to be with you. Right, it seems like the
campaign is on, doesn't it take Winston Peters his intention
to campaign again against the Regulatory Standards Bill.

Speaker 11 (20:30):
This has been such a big talking point for the
week and it's probably going to continue to be for
weeks ahead, at least days ahead. Winston Peters, as you say,
has confirmed New Zealand First will campaign against the Regulatory
Standards Bill, which is now actually the Regulatory Standards Act,
particularly because New Zealand First voted in favor of it
at its third reading. In fact, at the time, Casey Costello,

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who is in New Zealand First MP, said that they
had no hesitation commending the bill to the House. But
since Winston Peters made those comments, there's been reaction from
David Seymour, who's been behind the Regulatory Stands Bill. He
says it's pretty worrying, but also he says it seems
New Zealand First is gearing up to work with Labor
in a potential coalition. I mean that's a big call.

(21:17):
They still have more time and coalition together in terms
of New Zealand First and Act in National and still
a bit more time before the election. I mean we
don't have a date yet, but that is a massive
thing for David Seymour to say. It also does bag
the question though, I mean, how much of the coalition
deals to individual parties disagree with. I mean David Seymour

(21:38):
also said though keeping the Regulatory Standards Act was a
bottom line for him, and it seems Winston Peters is
now quite strong in his opposition for that as well.
So it is really interesting to see where this goes
from here. I mean, if it's a bottom line for
David Seymour and Winston Peters doesn't like it, what does
that really mean going forward? I mean, could the coalition

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have another term with that in mind?

Speaker 3 (22:03):
Tomorrow I think marks two years since this coalition has
been in power. They've got another year, Azariah. I mean
there's time to expect them to kind of get on
and do what they said they were going to do
and deliver don't we. I mean it's it feels a
little early really to kind of be, you know, stepping
out as an individual.

Speaker 11 (22:22):
Yeah, it seems like the campaign is just really really
heating up. As you say, it's been two years of
the Coalition government in power. We understand there'll be a
campaign event for National this weekend where they might also
announce policy, and that comes after a sort of a
poor performance for National in the latest EPSOSCE monitor pole.
The big talking point from that pole as well being

(22:44):
that Labor was more trusted than National on the economy. Now,
that was a really important one in terms of those
that polling. And one of the big things as well
though that the government is pleased about and that they
are celebrating is a drop in victims of violent crime.
That's something everyone in the coalition is really applauding. It's
been about a year since the gang laws came into

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force and the police and justice ministers seem very pleased
with how that policy is progressing. But this National Party event,
as I say, it'll be an interesting one to keep
an eye on. I mean that two year mark is
really significant. Basically it means there's about a year left
I mean less than a year really until we find
out who the next government is and if it is

(23:26):
this coalition again. I mean you'll remember the coalition talks
from last time took quite some time. So it does
mean that things are really heating up and it'll be
about a year if that, until we see who our
next government is.

Speaker 3 (23:41):
Chris Bishop has just released the new Social Housing Investment Plan.
What are the details around this? It involves a housing
this Housing Investment Plan. Is it a new approach?

Speaker 11 (23:54):
Yeah, well, I think what's new about it is sort
of just the scale of the investment. I mean, the
government's launched that Housing Investment Plan. One of the big
things in it really is how much investment it's calling for.
Something that really stood out to me was set around
half of kayga Otto's state housing stock is expected to
need renewing within the next thirty years, so that is

(24:16):
a lot of work ahead. The government's State Housing Investment
Plan also talked about the Social Housing Agency undertaking sort
of a redevelopment program. And this is the big one.
It says kayga Outos identified about forty thousand renewals needed
across the country over the next three decades. Forty thousand.
I mean, it seems like a lot of work to do,

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but also really important to make sure that our state
houses are fit for purpose. The government's also promising sales
of unsuitable homes, things like a multi million dollar one recently,
and that money will be reinvested back into social housing.
The Minister of Housing, Chris Bishop, he also wants to
sort of level the playing field for those community housing

(24:58):
providers in terms of them and kying of ottos, saying
it really incentivizes everyone to deliver cost effect of housing
and well look as well at where the funding is
going to. It's targeted first to the high need locations.
It's got a less of the far North, South Auckland,
Eastern Bay of plenty Gisbone and Hastings. But yeah, I

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mean if we look at the next three decades, I
mean it's a big call for investment.

Speaker 3 (25:25):
Jazariah Hal thank you so much for your time this morning,
as always, very much appreciated, and thank you very much
for your texts as well. We were talking about the
cost of heading off to university and being a student
these days and living in a hall and things. Somebody
text to say my three stayed in Auckland at home
but each didn't exchange year at a university college cost
about the same as a year in halls. Another option

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to consider, yes, if you were sitting at home having
got conversation, a sensible, practical conversation with your teenager. As
well as to whether it's worth putting thirty grand into
a year out of your city where you live to
go to university. There are some other options to think
about as well. Thank you for your texts. Ninety two
ninety two. It is twenty two to.

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You're with the Sunday session. Don't forget the coming up
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forward to that right now. Though after many years representing
performers locally, our very own Acting Royalty Jennifer Wardleland has
been elected to the top ranks of the Global Federation
for Actors. Jennifer was appointed as one of the vice
presidents last weekend at the World Congress in Birmingham, and

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Jennifer joins me now, good.

Speaker 12 (26:37):
Morning, good morning, Francanisca, love you to.

Speaker 8 (26:40):
Talk to you.

Speaker 3 (26:41):
How significant is this appointment for you?

Speaker 6 (26:45):
Well?

Speaker 13 (26:45):
It's the first time New Zealand has been has been
up there on the Presidium of FEAR, which actually stands
for Fata Arcion Internacional Ductur or International Federation of Actors,
and that's the Global Federation of Performers Unions and gilds
all over the world. So it has about eighty seven
countries involved.

Speaker 12 (27:05):
And we've made it for you years ago.

Speaker 13 (27:07):
To the executive so it kind of goes executive which
is around eight countries represented, then the Presidium which also
those people represent six countries and then the President. So
to have been elected on to the Prasidium, which was
I have to.

Speaker 12 (27:21):
Say quite a surprise.

Speaker 13 (27:22):
I was in Birmingham for the World Congress and assuming
right rightfully so that New Zealand would again be on
the executive but then there was a change of circumstance
of the Presidium and next thing I know I was
I was being elected on to that. So it is
it is significant and that little you know, we're one

(27:44):
of the smallest performers unions in the world, in the world,
but obviously our presence has been mighty.

Speaker 3 (27:52):
How good is it to be working on a global level.
You're excited to have the opportunity to look at the
issues that the lot of areas are facing on a
global level.

Speaker 13 (28:02):
Yes, I am Francisca because performers everywhere, you know, performing
for acting as a global industry. The film industry is
a global industry. Theater obviously as much more as each
country does it, but the screen industry is global. People travel,
the work travels.

Speaker 12 (28:20):
And we can share.

Speaker 13 (28:22):
Resources, we can share ideas as a really wonderful frantic exchange.

Speaker 12 (28:27):
Of ideas, and also a larger.

Speaker 13 (28:33):
Unions and guilds can support smaller unions and guilds. And
that's you know, that's really at the heart of it.
It's making sure that we try and make things better
for all performers all over the world because we all
face the same challenges.

Speaker 3 (28:45):
What kind of challenges are performers facing. I mean, we're
hearing an awful lot at the moment about AI and
the impact it could have on the industry.

Speaker 13 (28:52):
Indeed, you know, and that isn't just the theorestical that's
happening right now, and production companies that are acquiring studios specifically
to implement AI across all roles, and and you know,
we're not putting our hairs in the sand because there
are some performers who you know, it's their voices, their
intellectual property, and they may choose to use that to

(29:15):
use a digital replica and be recompense for that. But
here in Old Theodore, our voice artists already seeing you know,
concerning contact language like digital double synthesization, machine learning.

Speaker 12 (29:31):
Things like that, So we risk losing the.

Speaker 13 (29:33):
Human element that makes an act or an actor, and
that makes storytelling I think, you know, powerful with emotional
depth and you know the actors creative interpretation. So you know,
we need to start being proactive around educating our members
around those contract protections.

Speaker 12 (29:51):
And as I.

Speaker 13 (29:51):
Said, an actor might choose to do that, but they
have to be recompensed. Not just you work for one day,
but actually that production is going to use you for
three hundred days in your synthesized form. You're just not
going to get paid for it.

Speaker 3 (30:05):
Jennifer, what do you hope achieve with this role? What
benefit to New Zealand will there be you being in
this role?

Speaker 6 (30:11):
Well?

Speaker 12 (30:12):
I really hope to just continue.

Speaker 13 (30:14):
You know, I've been doing this job as president for
seventeen years and like myself and my board, this is
all a voluntary This is all voluntary work. But I
feel like, you know, actors are the people who have
to have to fight their corner like everybody does, and
you know, we need to make sure that there were
at the table with decisions. I think one thing that's

(30:34):
missing in New Zealand is is a star system. And
let me explain that before anybody thinks, what do you
mean you're al Trinity staff. When you actively incentivize production companies,
and it's particularly overseas production companies, to use New Zealanders,
then those people get elevated and then.

Speaker 12 (30:54):
They can work elsewhere, but they also bring money back
to the country.

Speaker 13 (30:58):
So Australia, the Australian actors didn't, you know, automatically come
out of the womb being more talented, but they had
certain things in their in the industrial legislation to make
sure that actors got Australian actors got picked for work there,
for overseas work there, and there have been a pletter
of wonderful, talented Australian actors who have made it in

(31:21):
the world stage. There are fewer New Zealanders. I think
it's more by luck if a film does well than
by design. So I think we can look to change
things and we can look to Basically, I guess I
want to have more of an overview of how we
can make things change and also how we can make
things better for the people who aren't even at our level.

(31:44):
So it's about, you know, you lift one boat. I
think there's what's the expression. Somebody will be out there
screaming it at the listening land that you know, one
boat rising lifts.

Speaker 12 (31:53):
All or something like that.

Speaker 13 (31:54):
Apologies apologies to those who remember the expression.

Speaker 3 (31:58):
If you raise a really good point, because I've often
been told as wonderful as it is when international productions
come to New Zealand and they use a lot of
our because we have such fantastic, world class crew, but
sometimes it could be hard to get actors on the set.
Is that what's been happening?

Speaker 13 (32:15):
Yes, yes it is, because I think things aren't quite
right in the You know, if those films are receiving
the rebate, which has to this government's credit has been
actually lowered so that local production can access that. But
if people are coming in and using the rebate at
the moment, you could probably do that. In terms of

(32:37):
the criteria, you could probably fulfill all the criteria to
get that rebate and still not have a New Zealand
actor in there. And so there's often an idea that, oh,
but there were so many actors used in this, Well, no,
you're seventy three percent that you're quoting is actually a
lot of background talent and maybe day players.

Speaker 12 (32:58):
So you know, until you start getting a.

Speaker 13 (33:01):
Level playing field where New Zealand workers actors, because actors
and workers can get the same opportunities, the same access.

Speaker 12 (33:08):
To casting, then things don't change. At the moment. Any
actor can come in from.

Speaker 13 (33:14):
Overseas for under fourteen days without any kind of letter
of non objection from the unions of guilds. And that's
not just out sets, the directors, the writers. You know,
we're all in this together now.

Speaker 3 (33:25):
Jennifer, thank you so much for your time. Really sorry
about that. It was a bit abrupt, wasn't it. Thank
you so much for your time. Really love you to
talk to you. And congratulations on the appointment to Vice president.
At the World Congress in Birmingham, they're representing actors. It
is twelve to ten news to accept me.

Speaker 1 (33:43):
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Speaker 14 (33:48):
New Hiland first lined up to tell the world they
will campaign on flipping the new regulatory standards law of
Winston Peters as well as here's my concern, most of
the media are whitting their pens with an excitement over
the fact that your coalition's falling apart.

Speaker 2 (34:01):
You don't want that that you of course not.

Speaker 15 (34:02):
I mean I made the point the number one responsibility
with God. They're matter of our difference says to provide
a stable government to the next election at mass there
that's our responsibility. But these journals are celebrating and it's
kind of like saying, you know, I'm just discussed by
the fact that when I first came to Farland, people
in the press gallery had been around fifteen twenty years
on the top of the class. Now you've got a
hold of the journiors that don't what yesterday look like.

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Speaker 3 (34:55):
Is Olivia Dean Man. I need now on Friday, she
took a few moments out of her day to post
a little message to ticket Master and Live Nation and
AG Presents. She blasted the on the resale ticket prices
for her tour next year, so the Ard and Loving Tour.
The tickets went on sale to the general public on Friday,
quickly sold out in minutes, as these things do, but

(35:16):
some of the resale prices are climbing into the thousands.
And she she just said, I'm disgusted with this. She said,
you're providing a disgusting service. The prices of which you're
allowing tickets to be resold is violent, completely against our wishes.
Live music should be affordable and accessible. We need to
find a way of making that possible. And this is
interesting because actually what in the UK the government is

(35:36):
preparing to crack down on the practice of scalping as
well of selling these tickets for exuberant prices. And I
think we need to do this more in New Zealand
as well. And the Minister of Commerce and Consumer Affairs,
Scott Simpson, has said he is opened and considering further options.
You know, a few things have been done, but we
need a resale market that works well and is fair
for customers. Take Electric Avenue for example, I gave up

(35:59):
four and a half hours of my week to sit
on two presales and the actual general sale. Missed out
on a ticket if all my son wanted for Christmas? Right,
So I did the thing I missed out. Now you
miss out, you miss out. That's life, right, I'm happy
about that. What annoys me is that some people manage
to buy a lot of tickets, which they immediately then

(36:20):
they're well non sculpers. The kid has the number on
the phone, like they know who to go to, the
people who are reliable. But they are starting to sell
these tickets but almost twice the price. So that's what
annoys me. I'm missing out so that someone else can
go and sell a ticket for you know, by what
seems like quite a lot of tickets and then sell

(36:40):
them for almost twice the price. It's not that, as
you can probably tell, racks me up quite a little bit.
So I'm very happy to see some more action sort
of happen with it. I know that some of the
websites start, you know, they set up a reselling website
and things like that, but just needs to be better
thought through so that people cannot go and buy ten

(37:01):
twenty thirty forty tickets somehow by using all their different
aiminguses and names and things, and then flow them for
horrific amounts. Okay, it's my rant over let. Malcolm had
a few things to say about the rugby. He mentioned
a article David Kirk had in The Herald which was
worth reading if you haven't already. He says, it makes

(37:22):
common sense for where the all blacks are heading. Ultimately,
all blacks are well off the pace, and even Kirk
thinks we may need to press the nuclear button. Ultimately,
we don't have a high performance environment in rugby and
the rest of the world is overtaking New Zealand rugby,
and I agree text Malcolm. Furthermore, the media had been
nicer Robertson for two long and answer results now have
to come. Today's performance was pathetic. Well look, maybe Elliott

(37:44):
wasn't quite so hush after all. Thank you for your text.
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and he's going to join me next to talk about
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(38:18):
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Speaker 2 (39:06):
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Speaker 3 (39:22):
Lovely to have you with us. It is seven past ten.
Yottam Ottolini is one of the biggest names in food
around the world. After eleven cookbooks, Ottlingy has become not
just a name but an adjective for a distinctive way
of cooking. Yotam is heading here next year with his
live tour and evening with Yottum Ottlingy and Yachtam joins
me now from the UK. Good morning, Thank you so

(39:44):
much for your time.

Speaker 6 (39:45):
Thank you. Thanks Francesca.

Speaker 3 (39:47):
As someone who loves food, how do you handle these
whirlwind tours? Because you are doing I think twenty one
events in under a month.

Speaker 6 (39:57):
I ask questions of this question everybody. I enjoy the
tours very much, but they're hectic, they're intents and I
have so, you know, I visit effectively. I'm doing a
city a day. Really really, that's what I do. So
the timing is not great because it means I arrive somewhere,

(40:18):
you know, just after lunch, and then I go into
a room with a lot of great people, and then
I get out and I don't want to have dinner,
so I snack. I have breakfast if I can, and
if I want to taste it, you know, the taste
of the flavor of a city. I ask people where
is the best place to go for breakfast? And then
I try to get my breakfast before I fly over

(40:38):
to the next place. So it's about juggling. But I
do make sure that I have a good meal at
least one in every city that I go to.

Speaker 3 (40:46):
I did wonder yachtam with that. This is why in
your tour you include a live cooking demonstration on stage,
so that you actually have some dinner.

Speaker 6 (40:57):
The last thing I want to eat is on tour
is my own food, I have to say. But yes,
I mean, I I tour on Stata and I'm I'm
quite flexible with the way I eat. So I'm just
happy to eat whenever there's around, whether whatever I have around.
And yeah, I mean, cooking on stage really is just

(41:20):
about sharing some prints, some basic great techniques that I've
kind of develop over time to show people how to
expand their their how they cook and what they cook,
but without all the half much effort and hassle. So

(41:41):
I've noticed over the years that some people, not everybody,
find cooking a little bit taxing, like they're intimidating. Some
people think that love cooking, but they don't know how
to expand expand their repertoire. So what I do when
I cook on stage and I don't I don't cook
a lot, and I cook a couple of things is

(42:02):
try to demonstrate that actually there is It's not so easy.
The entry points cooking could be quite low, and you
still get something very delicious at the end of it.

Speaker 3 (42:10):
I think we all go through periods, don't we of
experiencing all those things, or just sort of suddenly losing inspiration,
feeling like you've been cooking the same thing over and over.
It's nice to heaven input of some fresh ideas, isn't it?

Speaker 6 (42:24):
Yes? And you know it also happens to me. You know,
you you spend the whole day at work doing one
thing or another, and then you come home and you
open the fridge and you're just not feeling inspired. And
it's yeah, it happens to everyone. And there is I
think what there is some you could use. You can

(42:48):
give yourself a break effectively, That's what I want to say.
You can cook with things that you can reheat something
you had the night before and then jure it up
with something else you could There's all sorts of little
shortcuts of flavor that I use a lot.

Speaker 8 (43:02):
Like.

Speaker 6 (43:02):
For me, one of the best things that I can
do when I get home and if I don't need
to feed the crowd, is to put on a pot
of rice and I and that takes a very little
time if I don't soak the rice for too long
and whilst I do that. I am. I grate some cheese,

(43:22):
maybe I find a nice chili oil or chili crisp
that I have in my friend. I put that all together,
maybe some fried onion that I've had again, like all
like shop bought, and as soon as the rice is ready,
I grate some cheese into it, put some black pepper,
put the chili sauce on top. And it's kind of
a quick fix, a quick meal, but it's just something

(43:44):
that you do almost automatically and you don't need to
think too much. It's not special, but it's just so delicious.

Speaker 3 (43:50):
Do we overthink cooking and food sometimes?

Speaker 6 (43:55):
My feeling is that we have had we're kind of
overcompensating for something that has happened over I don't know,
the last twenty or thirty years. So if you look bad,
I mean again, I don't want to be too nostalgic
about it. But I think when I was growing up,
cooking was so much part of of what day to
day looked like. You know, it was just ingrained in

(44:17):
my parents' life. And then we went through the seventies
and the eighties and I show my age and then
it was all about like fixes, quick fixes, you know,
you could get something ready from the freezer, you can
get something this. We got a little bit addicted to takeaways,
et cetera, and we lost the instinct for cooking. And

(44:42):
what happened is that then all sorts of things happened
in the world, and especially with COVID, people just found
themselves being disconnected food from food and thought like, oh,
I've got to relearn that skill. I've got to be
a good cook again. And it's okay. I mean, I
think it's a really good instinct. I think it's the
right thing to do. But I think we do overthink

(45:03):
it sometimes because there are a lot of solutions out
solutions there. There's things you can buy too, so not
every time you go into the kitchen you need to
start from scratch. You can. You can start one thing
from scratch and then the other thing you can buy
great quality things. That sits there in the shelf of
the supermarket is a sauce, you know, like a pesto,

(45:23):
and then you're augmented with other things or or a
quick piece of fish, and then the rest of it
is ready cooked rise that is also there. So I
think we should be a little bit more flexible and
not and like you say, not over overthinking.

Speaker 3 (45:39):
It's you know, I know that as you're talking, you know,
you're talking here about sort of making cooking more relaxing
and less stressful. I know that that's important to you
and sort of a focus of the show. So how
do we kind of remove those barriers maybe to cooking
when it does fee a little bit hard?

Speaker 6 (45:54):
This is what Yeah, this is what I'm I'm going
to do during my show. First of all, show tell
people that they shouldn't be so hard on themselves, that
should they should give themselves a break sometimes. And you know,
and it's okay to like I said now to half
co Camala and the other half to use things that
are already there, to use things from home, cans, from tins,

(46:14):
from jars. You know, there's such a great variety of
options around. And then there is a couple of basic
skills that are really really great and I kind of
go over them. I don't know what. I don't want
to give away the whole show, but I'll give a
couple of little examples. I mean, if you can get
yourself to make a great roast chicken or roasted selaria,

(46:38):
or if you can make your a really delicious vinegrette
or two. Those are some basic skills that you have there,
and then the rest is stuff that you pick here
and there. So, for example, when you think of a vinegret,
you think a salad or maybe cruded taste, but actually
a really good vinegret. And there's like there's citrus bass

(46:58):
or vinegar, vinegar bases. Sometime you would have a bit
of nuts, some have charlettes on it, garlic. I mean,
they are they vary, But if you have one that
you really love and you're very good at doing, then
that's like half your job done. Because then you take
a trail of vegetables, whether it's root vegetables or brassicas
you know, cabbages, et cetera. You put it in the

(47:19):
oven with a bit of already roasted. As soon as
it comes out, you drizzle with a vinegred and you
have something so delicious and so quick and easy. So
those basic things that you have at your hand are
a way to kind of mitigate that stress that some
people feel or feeling a bit jaded.

Speaker 3 (47:38):
You describe before that feeling of coming home and opening
the fridge and looking at what's inside and trying to
think what you're going to whip up. There are now
AI apps that you can use whereby you put a
group of ingredients in and they give you a recipe.
Would you ever use one of those apps?

Speaker 6 (47:53):
I would, Yeah, definitely. I mean I don't know if
the recipe is going to be great because I haven't
tried it, but as in it for ideas, yeah, why not.
I mean I have I'm in a very fortunate position
where I've got you know this like behind me. I've
got like a normal I have encountered. But I think

(48:15):
like well over two thousand recipes that I've published over
the years, and I think they cover most combinations of recipes.
So sometimes I have a confession. Sometimes I go online
on Google and I go like AUTOLENGI you know, LAMB shoulder,
and I kind a couple of other recipes ingredients, and

(48:36):
I google it, and then all of a sudden, a
lot of ideas come so, oh yes, I remember that dish.
So I do I myself use the you know, use
use use a computer to come up with the ideas
or to ring and re imagine like what I did before,
And it's actually very useful. But I think none of
that is takes away the joy of actually learning how

(48:59):
to cook properly. And I think, again that's another thing
that I really want to emphasize two people. The skill
of cooking is something that you can't really learn or
have just by kind of googling recipes or looking at
an AI bot that tells you, you know, put all

(49:20):
these things together. It's just these kind of basic things,
instinctive things that you feel with your hands as you cook.
And I think it's a wonderful thing to learn and
to know how to do. And again, you don't need
to be a master chef, but you can be a
really kind of a good cook really just by knowing
a few basic things that take you a long way.

Speaker 3 (49:42):
How has the way you cook changed or evolved over
the years.

Speaker 6 (49:49):
So I've been through stages. You know. When I started cooking,
I wanted to throw everything at every dish that I
used to cook. And I look at old recipes that
I've published and I said to him, say, oh, what
were you thinking? Was it really necessary to have so
many things? And you know, people do make fun and
still do make fun of me if you're saying, like
autolangy recipes, you know, it's never less than sixteen ingreedy

(50:13):
ingredients and they have to be obscure, and I kind
of take the shame a little bit and think, like, Okay,
well I did. There are some old recipes or not
that old recipes that feel a little bit over the top,
but I've never done that just in order to challenge people.
It's I've always felt that there is added value, excuse me,

(50:34):
by putting all these things together in a bowl or
in a pot. These days, I think a little bit
more on what can be taken away, and I spend
quite a lot of time to think what is essential,
you know, what is essential in this dish? Because I
think about myself, how long am I going to spend
in the kitchen? Is it going to be worth my while?

(50:55):
And what is the real DNA of a dish? And
what is just unnecessary? Also because I've had I have kids,
there are like in nearly teenagers now, but they were
young not that long ago, and I realized that I
need to think a lot about like the practicality of
cooking for a family. And I think that's another thing
that I haven't spent much time thinking at the beginning

(51:18):
of my career. So I'm much more forgiving and practical
these days. But I still love to create a feast,
you know, to make something from scratch that has a
lot of layers of flavor. But I just don't do
it every single day.

Speaker 3 (51:30):
Do you take a lot of pride in how the
Ottling way of cooking has changed how people cook and
eat around the world because you have been hugely influential
in that respect.

Speaker 6 (51:40):
I take a lot of pride in that. Yeah, that's
the one thing that I'll never I never undermine, you know.
I always think people say to me, what is your
greatest achievement, and I think, oh, I just don't think
in those terms. But then when I do think deeply
about it, my greatest achievement for me is when someone

(52:02):
comes to me and says, oh, you know, I've cooked
your green beans with hazel nuts and orange from their
first cookbook. I've been cooking it for like the last
decade or two, and my family cooks it. It's become
part of our repertoire. And for me, this is something
huge because it's not you know, recipes come and go,
and books come and go, and even news articles, but

(52:25):
something that stays in people's minds, like a way of
cook is a dish, a particular dish that stays with
them or an idea is really it goes really deep
and they might pass it on to the next generation.
And that really is like the biggest gift that people
can give me, just telling me that it's part of

(52:46):
their lives, of how they cook, of how they get
together around the table.

Speaker 3 (52:51):
I have been making your cheesecake. One of your cheesecakes
probably for about I don't know, twenty twenty five years.
It was one that had it had this incredible topping.
It was like a toffee caramelized.

Speaker 6 (53:02):
Topping, nuts or hazel nuts.

Speaker 3 (53:06):
Yeah, yeah, And it was quite extravagant, and it was
the first time that I went, oh, hang on, I
can be ambitious. I can make something quite extraordinary. But
that cheesecake itself, the baked cheesecake has been used as
I've done a million things with it, you know, put
a million different topics on it, and I'm still making it.
I still just trust that one. It works every time,

(53:27):
so I and it's passed on and my daughter now
does it. So there we go. There's an example of
that very much.

Speaker 6 (53:32):
Yeah, I totally. First of all, I'm so glad that
you're telling me this, But then again, I think what
you just said is so important because you've you've cooked
that recipe, and I take a lot of pride in,
you know, and producing recipes that work, and I'm thoroughly tested,
et cetera. But then you've you often you make it
your own. And that's the message that I'm trying to

(53:56):
pass on to people and say, like, yes, there's all
these great recipes out there, you know, and you can
go on an AI search engine, or you can search
on Google or wherever you get your recipes, but actually
there's all the things that you could do yourself. So
once you've required that skill and making a cheesecake or
a baked rice or whatever it is that you're making,

(54:18):
then you can just be very playful. And that's a
basic joy the joy of cooking. Not the joy of
following your recipe, which is another great joy, which I
often do, but the joy of knowing what you're doing,
getting in the kitchen and working on autopilot, not thinking, relaxing,
listening to music, and cooking something that you're super proud of.

Speaker 3 (54:39):
How do you feel about food and eating trends? Do
you pay attention to them? At all.

Speaker 6 (54:45):
To trends.

Speaker 3 (54:46):
Yes, yes, food trends and you know we're eating this
these days, or this is the produce you need to eat.
Do you pay much attention to that or do you
just stick with seasonal produce and what you like and
quite traditional about it.

Speaker 6 (55:00):
I have to pay attention to everything that's happening, because
it's part of my professional obligation, you know, to know
what's going on, to go out to try things. But
I don't like food trends only because I feel that
there's something a bit compulsive about those ideas. I think

(55:20):
they come and go. I think their function is for
journalists and not for people. You know, they are there
to tell a story. But in a way, the trends
come and go, but certain things never go, and I
think it's more important to focus on what is timeless.
And then again, you know, I'm not completely ignoring the

(55:46):
fact that people do think in such a way that
people get inspired from social media, you know, Instagram and TikTok,
and that does become a trend, and that's also totally legit,
but I just question the longevity of that, like how
long that would last. I think certain things, so one
of the things that I say in the show is
that like tried to think a little bit about what

(56:10):
you know and how you grew up eating and try
to connect to that rather than what you see on
a screen, because that would it is more likely to
sustain you over time. You know, it's more likely to
to any even if you didn't grow up in a
foody house. I mean, think of things that you've been
exposed to and are meaningful to you, rather than trying

(56:31):
to conquer the net cuisine or the next ingredient, because
in some ways it's it's okay, but it's quite it's
it's transient often and it doesn't really stick for the
long term.

Speaker 3 (56:46):
Yatton, thank you so much about your time today. So
appreciate it and very excited that you're heading back to
New Zealand in the new year. We look forward to
seeing you then.

Speaker 6 (56:54):
Oh, I can't wait to be back in New Zealand
and eat all the delicious food and try your seafood
that I miss so much. So yeah, thank you for
the interview and back, I can't wait to be back.

Speaker 3 (57:05):
And Evening with m Ottling is in Auckland and February
next year. Tickets are on sale now and I Forget
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Speaker 2 (58:14):
The Sunday session.

Speaker 3 (58:27):
Okay, so if you weren't awake already and a little
bit of tool there, this is a stink fist. They
played Spark Arena last night and they're playing tonight. Just
wondering if any of our lists went. Apparently they did
a no phone They did a phone band so you
couldn't video or take any photographs until the last song,
which I think is an absolutely excellent idea. Here to

(58:47):
talk entertainment now is editor at flicks dot cot On
and Zed Steve Neil. Good morning, Good morning.

Speaker 16 (58:52):
I didn't go to toull, but I did see the
set list and apparently they it looks like they had
a no hits policy as well.

Speaker 3 (58:57):
Oh dear, okay, if you went, if that's your kind
of thing, text me ninety two eighty two and tell
us how it went. Okay, big night on Friday night
for well, I suppose the screen industry was the New
Zealand Screen.

Speaker 16 (59:12):
Awards absolutely and this was folding together a New Zealand's
feature film and TV smaller screen industries for a night
of celebration on awards. Some fifty something awards handed out
in the night, which worked like clockwork if you don't
let every single person do a speech, which was really
really great. But it was a chance to celebrate a

(59:33):
lot of great screen achievements, not least of which was
the fantastic and sadly final film of Lee Tomahordy The Convert,
which won five major awards during the night, including Best Director,
which was one of the most moving moments I've experienced
it in awards. Actually, Toma Horry's long time producing partner,

(59:54):
Robin Skulls, accepted the award on his behalf. It was
a real chance to honor someone whose works left a
huge legacy, and as Robin revealed from the stage, Lee
learned of this one before he passed away, so it
was actually a really really special thing for him to
know that this was happening. Also in the standing Ovation

(01:00:15):
Brings Tears to Your Eyes department, Sir Sam Neil was
honored with the Screen Legend Award, delivered a suitably sam
Neil script, preceded by a great montage. Actually, you know,
like his work speaks for itself, is like fifty three
years of fantastic screen appearances. But as Oscar kinitely mentioned
in his introduction, he singled out Sam Neil's turned to

(01:00:38):
camera and that was featured in the montage quart from it.
He's actually really good at facing away from the camera
and doing a very dramatic turnback, somewhat of a signature
move Elsewhere in the night, Cafafitan, who won the for
Best Feature Film Overall and Best Original Score. Tina was
nominated in a bunch of categories really significantly only sort

(01:00:59):
of took home Best Actress categories for leading and supporting
the rule of Genny Penn. The Fantastic James Ashcroft film
set in a retirement home, won a couple of acting categories.
I won an acting category and also for Best Script.
John Lithgow sent an awesome video speech which he acknowledged

(01:01:19):
the whole thing would have been pointless if he didn't
win the award and kind of just went on a
big extempor rising a rambling chat, which is great and
other deserving winners on the night included Antonia preble Koda Forrester,
Stephen Lovett and Peter Hambleton. Scotty Morrison was the screen
Personality of the Year voted by the public, and that
was a real another real heartwarming moment, so I got

(01:01:42):
on all the winners lots of good stuff to check out,
and I think have a good peruse down the winners
list somewhere. It's a good reminder of some stuff you
might have missed her in the year.

Speaker 3 (01:01:50):
Absolutely good suggestion. Now Apple Plus has a new show
out which is causing a few ways.

Speaker 16 (01:01:56):
Indeed, this is a show called Pluribus. It's from Vince Gilligan,
who's the fellow behind Breaking Bad and Better Call Saul.
Also in Vince Gilligan's past is a big run on
The X Files, which kind of makes more sense with
this because this is a sci fi show. It's set
in Albuquerque in New Mexico and sort of spans worldwide,
so it looks a bit like Breaking Bad and Beedical
Saul stars Ria Seahorn, who's a fantastic female lead from

(01:02:19):
Better Call Saul. But it's definitely a good, wacky premise.
There's a few episodes out I think sort of setting
up the show isn't too spoilery at this point, but
although we won't go into the details too much, Essentially,
as soon as been picked up from out of space,
it turns out to be a virus, so scientists make
it and start testing on animals to see what happens,
and it spreads throughout humanity and sort of pulls us

(01:02:40):
all together into this harmonious hive mind. One way of
thinking is that that's invasion of the body snatches and
it's bad, but actually everything seems quite good. Although Ria
Seahorn's character is one of just a handful of people
that aren't part of it, and to them it's to
her it's an alien invasion. It's terrible. This is a
kind of a black comedy to the show and poses

(01:03:01):
some questions about individualism versus collectivism. I think it's going
to be a really really interesting run. One of the
things that connects it, I think, to Better Core Soil
and Breaking Bad is that at times those shows had
great sequences that kind of were predicated on what would
happen if you had sort of unlimited resources and could
do kind of big crazy things. And here all the
resources of the world are at the disposal of kind

(01:03:23):
of just these couple of humans that are kicking around.
So you could fly from one side of the globe
to the other on air Force one if you ask nicely,
if you if you ask your new Harmonious overlords for
a hand grenade, one will turn up. If the supermarket's empty,
they will restock it for you. So there's kind of
this really nice visual, big picture stuff going on. This
is probably Apple TV's new severance, I guess is the

(01:03:44):
kind of comparison. Not many Apple TV shows really cross
over to the public. I don't think so this will
be in that Nay.

Speaker 3 (01:03:50):
I think a lot of people are going to be
talking about this one. It's going to just it's going
to be a slow yeah, and it kind of.

Speaker 16 (01:03:55):
Joint slow horses in that regard as well.

Speaker 7 (01:03:57):
I guess.

Speaker 3 (01:03:58):
Thank you so much, Steve, appreciate it. How our teeth
influence our overall health is what we're going to talk
about next with doctor Michelle dick Since it is twenty
five to.

Speaker 1 (01:04:07):
Eleven, it's the Sunday session with Francesca Rudkin on News
Talks at B.

Speaker 3 (01:04:17):
And at there's time for our science study and I'm
joined by doctor Michelle Dickinson. Good morning, Good morning. Right,
You've got a really interesting study today that looks at
how our mouth can be influencing the rest of our
body's health.

Speaker 17 (01:04:30):
Yeah, and also how you know, often we don't work
together when we look at who's working on our bodies.
So dentists often are not working with doctors to look
at our whole body. Dentist still with our teeth, doctor
still with the rest of us. And this study is
the first in this kind to go, Hey, dentists knows
some stuff that maybe doctor should know too. So if
you are due for a root cane our treatment and

(01:04:52):
you're probably dreading it, do not panic because actually, maybe
something good is going to happen from it. So people
usually have ROUTCN now because something inside their tooth pop
is infected and they need to sort of treat that.
What people don't realize is that tooth pulp is connected
to their bloodstream, right, It's connected to their nervous system
and their blood to the nerves and their blood vessels,

(01:05:13):
and so any affection there is actually going to spread
all around your body. And what we didn't know is
if we clean up the infection in your tooth, does
that affect the rest of your body? And the answer,
thanks to this new study and the Journal of Translational Medicine,
is yes, massively has a huge effect on minimizing your
body's long term risk of diseases, including diabetes and heart disease.

Speaker 3 (01:05:37):
Who knew we kind even get doctors to talk to doctors, Michelle,
How would we get doctors to talk to dentists.

Speaker 17 (01:05:44):
It's pretty crazy, but no, we have this lovely data.
So they took these sixty five patients, they followed them
for two years before they had their root canal treatment,
but they already had a root canal infection and afterwards,
and what they found is that within three months of
their root canal treatment, massive signs of systemic inflammation had dropped,
So that makes sense, you're not infecting your bloodream anymore.
But also amino acids linked in and resistance dropped, their

(01:06:08):
cholesterols dropped, and after the two years at the end
of the study, the glucose levels were much much lower
in all of these patients, which means that having a
root canal could be the cause of some of your
overlying health issues. And so treating your mouth and they
always say good oral health least good overall health outcomes

(01:06:29):
actually could be good for reducing your blood cholesterol, reducing
your fatty acid levels, and helping to control cardiovascular and
diabetes disease in the long term. So I'm just saying
this because anybody who's got a root canal can they
might be dreading it, but just know that you're probably
going to do this amazing thing for your body. It's
not as bad as it seems. So finally good news

(01:06:50):
for people due for root canals.

Speaker 3 (01:06:52):
Fascinating. Thank you so much, Michelle, appreciate it. How does
an asparagus resulto with spring onions and rocket sound? I
think it sounds pretty good, to be honest with you,
Mike bender Elsen. Here's the recipe for US sneaks. It's
twenty two eleven.

Speaker 1 (01:07:06):
Session full show podcast on iHeartRadio. POW would play News
Talks IB.

Speaker 3 (01:07:12):
Mike vand alson Good Morning, Good Morning. Now, before we
talk about food, I'd just like to say very big
happy birthday to your daughter Ivy thirteen today.

Speaker 7 (01:07:22):
That's crazy, isn't it.

Speaker 3 (01:07:23):
I know, just goes likeyether day there were two little
young girls running around a farm. Now you've got teenagers
on your hand.

Speaker 6 (01:07:32):
I know.

Speaker 18 (01:07:32):
And that also marks me being on News Talks IB
Sunday segment for thirteen years.

Speaker 3 (01:07:40):
Well there we go.

Speaker 18 (01:07:40):
Yeah it's cy yeah, yeah, so yes, we had a
big party yesterday.

Speaker 7 (01:07:46):
It was amazing. The weather was incredible. Middle. I was
just there wasn't a breath of when the sun was
beating down. It was a great day.

Speaker 18 (01:07:54):
There were lots of teenagers running around. I put a
big slip and slide down. At the bottom of the
slip of slide, which I didn't tell them about, there
was some reasonably large horse no cow pennies, which they
ended up sliding into it.

Speaker 7 (01:08:10):
I knew i'd hear it.

Speaker 3 (01:08:12):
Yes, there's nothing like a slip and slide. I just
think it's it's the best entertainment. My partner used to
hate it when I'd put that we live, We've got
a hell out the back of our property and it
was perfect. But my part used to hate it because
would ruin the lawn, so we'd have to do it
during the day. And now tellicids, don't tell Dad we're
trying to fluff up the lawn so he didn't come
home and see his flatten hihlated lawn.

Speaker 7 (01:08:35):
Well, at least it watered it partly.

Speaker 3 (01:08:38):
You got your hands on some white asparagus this week.

Speaker 7 (01:08:42):
It was pretty It was pretty cool.

Speaker 18 (01:08:43):
Be headed down to Hamilton during the week to pick
up some seed potatoes and her Auntie Chris is very
well connected in Hamilton, and they ended up going to
pick some asparagus. But more importantly, they got their hands
on some white sparagus, which is pretty special. I think
I've spoken about white asparagus before, but it's white because
it's grown in complete darkness, no sunlight, no photosynthesis, so

(01:09:06):
no color.

Speaker 7 (01:09:08):
A lot, I believe, it's a lot sweeter.

Speaker 18 (01:09:11):
It's got a slightly nutty sort of flavor to it,
and it's just that little bit more tender because you
know it's white and it just breaks off so well.
So being so expensive, you kind of you use it
a little bit more sparingly or a little bit more
careful or more so.

Speaker 7 (01:09:29):
For this dish this week, which is the asparagus risotto,
you kind of you want to taste the asparagus. You
don't want to.

Speaker 18 (01:09:35):
You don't want it to disappear into something, So you
wouldn't want to make a white sparagus soup for instance.

Speaker 3 (01:09:40):
Okay, whip us through this asparagus rosotto with spring and rocket.

Speaker 7 (01:09:44):
Oh it's great, so spring asians around it at the moment.

Speaker 18 (01:09:46):
So there's rocket, so large pot of water, salted water.
So we're going to plants asparagus. So I've got one
bunch of white asparagus. If you can't get your hands
on white sparagus, of course, you can always just use
normal green asparagus. Drop your sparagus and I count to
probably thirty thirty seconds half a minute. Then pull it
out into ice water, stop it from cooking, and then

(01:10:08):
set them aside.

Speaker 7 (01:10:08):
You could cut them up into large chunks. If you want, one.

Speaker 18 (01:10:12):
Onion into a pot, fair amount of oil, two to
three tablespoons of oil along foreclosed garlic that's been crushed.
Saute off the onions and the garlic together. Add in
one cup of a boreo rice, which is the risotto rice.
Saute that off, and that's very important. It's called hardening
of the rice. So saute the rice before you throw
in two cups of white wine. Reduce that down ever

(01:10:34):
so slightly before you start to add the stock. And
so for one cup of a boreo rice, I'm adding
in six fifty to seven to fifty mils of vegetable stock.
Just keep adding it slightly slightly as it's absorbing that rice.
It's just continuing to add and absorb that stock. And
then what you want to end up with is a

(01:10:55):
small amount of stock and the rice what we call
our dente, So just firm to the tooth, just a
slight amount of bite at the end, turn it off.
Add I've got a cup of grated parmesan, so you
want a decent parmesan and about one hundred grads of
chopped up butter and then seasoned and then back and

(01:11:15):
goes the asparagus back and goes a cup of chopped
up spring onions and maybe half a cup of precious
sparage that's been chopped up.

Speaker 7 (01:11:23):
And they don't give it a good mix, serve it instantly,
less yous.

Speaker 3 (01:11:27):
It does sound delicious. Thank you so much, Mike. You
can get that recipe from Good from Scratch dot cot
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Speaker 10 (01:11:55):
Right.

Speaker 3 (01:11:55):
It's about this time of the year that we're all
just starting to feel a little bit weary, aren't we.
A little bit of fatigue is kicking and maybe a
little bit of burnout. So joining us to talk about
how we can deal with this is Natropath and Ohara,
good morning, Good morning. I think I'm definitely surrounded at
home by people who are pretty exhausted after finishing exams
or just you know, a busy year, and the forgetfulness

(01:12:17):
is kicking in. And see it's a houseful of yeah,
fatigued people. Shall we say?

Speaker 19 (01:12:25):
Yeah, it seems to be that time of the year.
And I think as we get to this time every year,
we many people are feeling very tired and worn out.
And it's nothing new, but we seem to kind of
it comes upon us and we think, oh, we're so tired,
and we start counting down the weeks, and we as
we roll into the end of November and into justmbabrond,
sort of counting down for a summer holiday and a

(01:12:47):
summer break. And so it's really common that we will
feel like this, but there's a lot we can do
that we don't really need to keep sort of fueling
the fatigue and the exhaustion but instead of waiting for
the holiday to come before you sort of do something
about it. I always think this is the time we
bring in a few more tools to help you so
when you get to the holiday, you don't kind of

(01:13:09):
fall in a heap and be really really exhausted and
spend your whole summer holidays sleeping.

Speaker 3 (01:13:14):
So what should we do?

Speaker 19 (01:13:16):
Yeah, So, if you're feeling really exhausted, I think always
the best place to look at is where is your
source of exhaustion and fatigue coming from? And maybe it
might be that you take a little evaluation of your
own lifestyle of looking at your habits and potential things
that are driving the tiredness and the fatigue, whether it's
you're doing too much, or you're not sleeping well or

(01:13:38):
not quite eating right. And that's a good place to
look at because then you know where to bring in
some healthy changes to actually get you out of feeling
exhausted and fatigued and burnt out. And when you've done that,
then you can start to bring in some new habits
that will really help support your energy and stress levels,
especially as it kind of feels like it's getting busier

(01:14:00):
and busyer and busier with Christmas parties and family gatherings
and social events at work, as well as getting all
your work done before the end of the year.

Speaker 3 (01:14:10):
This is also really good advice just thinking about going
into summer. Yes, a lot of people are going to
stop and collapse, but this could be a really busy
time for a lot of other people. They have to
keep going. They might be working in businesses where they're
going to be really busy over the summer as well. Yeah,
and that's where.

Speaker 19 (01:14:24):
It's bringing in those basic healthy habits that quite often
get forgotten when we get busy and we sort of,
you know, the exercise falls out of the way because
we think, oh, no, we're too tired to exercise. But
actually if we bring in some exercise, we actually have
a bit more energy to manage better and a little
bit more motivation. Also eating healthy, we think, oh, we'll

(01:14:47):
start the healthy edding after Christmas, because then we can
enjoy all the Christmas food that we love, but actually
work on the balance of get the eighty percent goodness
of bringing in the real, healthy, whole foods and then
you can balance out any alcohol extra treats that you
might be having at this time a year. The other
thing that I personally love to do is bring in
what I call little micro retreat So when you know

(01:15:09):
you're kind of hitting that level where you're feeling really
tired and exhausted, is go, Okay, I'm going to do
something for myself, whether it's in the weekend or one evening,
whether it's get a massage, go for a beach walks
and read a book, and not feel guilty about doing
those things for yourself, because if you actually take time out,
you then have that time to fill up your bucket

(01:15:30):
with energy and then you're ready for the next week
a head. So it might be even using some of
the holiday the weekend time to instead of rush around
doing a lot, put in a little block in your
calendar that's really just me time that you do it
whatever it is that fills up your bucket of energy
so you can keep going.

Speaker 3 (01:15:49):
And look, you use that support system around you, use
your family and your friends. You know, someone offers to help,
say yes.

Speaker 19 (01:15:56):
Yeah, and I think quite often we're like, no, no,
I can do it myself. But actually, sometimes even letting
people know around you that you are feeling really exhausted
and needing that extra support with manager your stress, then
it actually helps take a bit of pressure off yourself
as well and not feeling as overwhelmed. And also there'll
be a bit more understanding when you say no, why
are saying no? And actually be okay about that. I've

(01:16:18):
no your limits, be have realistic expectations and not overdoing
it when you're feeling really really fatigued.

Speaker 3 (01:16:26):
Thank you so much, erin great tips there. Yes, I
don't know why we did. We work ourselves off a
bit of a frenzy because we know Christmas is coming,
we know the holidays are coming, we know it's going
to be busy. Just need to pace ourselves, don't we.
I mean I have to pace myself till the end
of January, so I didn't get too caught up in it.
But yes, thinking about all those people who are also
getting ready to ramp up over the summer. If your

(01:16:47):
business suddenly gets very busy. It is five to eleven
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Thanks so much for your text this morning. We started
the hour talking to yottom Ottoling. He was just delightful.
I enjoyed the conversation. Steve texts to say your guest
is on point. Everyone should learn to cook. My daughter
is in the kitchen with me often. She's sixteen and
could cook a complete meal by herself. I worked in
kitchens for over thirty years and have always loved to
teach the art. I always talk about layers of flavor

(01:17:21):
with her, not every mouthful should taste the same. And
another one from Joy who said I have never thought
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so thank you very much for those texts. Right haven't
listened to this? This is the sound of country musician
Kara Rhodes. This song is called Painting It Perfectly and
it's off her debut album, Hometown Therapy. The album debuted

(01:17:44):
at number four on the New Zealand charts this week.
And Kara is with me next Afternoons to tell us
all about it A actually.

Speaker 8 (01:17:52):
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She's a rising talent on the New Zealand music scene.
This is christ Church based Scottish born artist Kara Rhodes
with her latest single, Hometown Therapy. The song is the
title track of Kara's recently released debut album, The album
is a Little Bit Special. Kara is using the album
to shine a light on domestic violence and highlight her
fundraising efforts for the charity Shine. Kara Rhodes joins me

(01:19:31):
now from christ Church.

Speaker 8 (01:19:32):
Good morning, Good morning, Francesca, thank you for having me.

Speaker 3 (01:19:37):
The album entered the New Zealand charts at number four.
You must be pretty pleased about that.

Speaker 6 (01:19:42):
I was.

Speaker 21 (01:19:42):
I was very shocked, to say the least, but very
very long about this time of the year that we
just related.

Speaker 3 (01:19:49):
The title track off the album, Hometown Therapy. It talks
of your homeland, Scotland. Do you miss it?

Speaker 6 (01:19:59):
I do? I do.

Speaker 21 (01:20:00):
I'm mean New Zealand's home now, but I think there's
always parts of me that wishers Scotland and New Zealand
were maybe a bit closer together.

Speaker 3 (01:20:09):
Yes, that would be helpful, wouldn't it.

Speaker 21 (01:20:12):
It would do Because it's so far away. I mean
it makes going back home very hard. Anybody from Scotland
or UK will know just how far away it is.
But I miss there's lots of parts from New Zealand
that has a lot of Scottish traditions as well, So yeah,
never too far.

Speaker 3 (01:20:26):
And look, it's good to you need a bit of
longing for a good song, don't you carry? You need
a bit of you know, some homesickness, a little bit
of emotion. Doesn't always it does?

Speaker 21 (01:20:37):
They always say the best songs are created from heartache
or heartbreak.

Speaker 8 (01:20:41):
So I do think that helps.

Speaker 3 (01:20:43):
Tell me about the other themes on this album. You
talk about a lot of things. You talk about domestic violence,
mental health, identity, and resilience. So these all from your
own experience?

Speaker 21 (01:20:54):
Yeah, I mean a lot of a lot of them
are from my own experiences, but they also draw on
them from my parents or family or friends. I like
to think that I write music that a lot of
people maybe feel uncomfortable writing music on.

Speaker 3 (01:21:08):
So does sharing kind of raw emotional topics. Does that
come easily and naturally to you?

Speaker 21 (01:21:16):
It does with writing music, I wouldn't say so much
in person with friends or talking usually comes out in
my music, but otherwise I usually put a sort of
a lid on and move on.

Speaker 8 (01:21:27):
But find that it comes out of my music and
what I wish I could share.

Speaker 3 (01:21:32):
Oh, that's really interesting because I think that well, often
we think that women are pretty good at sort of sharing,
you know, with each other and things. But a lot
of these topics you've you've you find it much easier
to sing about.

Speaker 2 (01:21:45):
I do.

Speaker 21 (01:21:45):
I think it's that whole. I mean, I've got a
song in there called Painting It Perfect. I think it's
easy when you're in person or and you're going about
your life, it's easy to say, Yep, everything's fine, everything's
always been fine. But a lot of the time, I
think just any any past experience as they come out
in the music, whereas I might feel a bit more
uncomfortable to share it person.

Speaker 3 (01:22:07):
Yes, we've played Painting It Perfect just before the news,
and it's a song about putting that smile on your
face and you know, and pretending that everything is right.
And I think that this is a very relatable thing
to do. I think it's something which sort of social
media has convinced us we all need to do a
little bit too.

Speaker 12 (01:22:23):
I think so.

Speaker 8 (01:22:24):
I think a lot of us like to show the
best glimpses of our life.

Speaker 21 (01:22:27):
We like to say everything's great and look how perfect
it is, well most of us, which we could say,
actually right now, I'm not feeling so great, but I
just don't know how to say it.

Speaker 3 (01:22:37):
This album is raising money for domestic violence charity Shine.
Why have you decided to do this?

Speaker 8 (01:22:44):
They are fantastic charity.

Speaker 21 (01:22:46):
They're actually, on a personal note, helped me a long
time ago get out of a really horrible situation. But no,
they're just they The work they do is amazing. They help,
they're just great to talk to. They have some programs
that help people manage through those feelings after domestic violence
and just helps them get back on a path to

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hopefully a better life.

Speaker 8 (01:23:07):
But know, the work they do is just incredible and
I think it needs more support.

Speaker 3 (01:23:12):
Do you think you know domestic silence? I think a
lot of people can carry a lot of shame or
secrecy around about something like that. Is it important for
people to know that they're not alone, I think so.

Speaker 8 (01:23:25):
I think it's great for people to know that.

Speaker 21 (01:23:27):
Actually, I mean the statistics are that I think it's
one in three women or I don't have the athatic
stens to men as well, but they do go through it,
and so we're not alone, and there's no shame in it.

Speaker 8 (01:23:38):
There's absolutely no shame.

Speaker 21 (01:23:39):
There's actually quite a strength in it to go through
it and hopefully find the next chapter and not be
afraid to enter that new fease.

Speaker 3 (01:23:48):
You're streaming royalties. One hundred percent of your streaming royalties
for a year are going to go back to Shine.
You also raised two thousand at a fundraising gig last weekend.
How important is it to you to give back?

Speaker 8 (01:24:00):
I think it's really important for me. I think the
main success, so to speak, is what you can give back.

Speaker 21 (01:24:05):
I feel like there's not really a point in having
so much passion or enjoying everything you can create if
there's if you can't give it back in some way,
because then it just falls. It sort of just falls unfounded,
Like what's the point of it if it's just a
self success. I think the best thing is, if you
can achieve anything, is to give it back.

Speaker 3 (01:24:23):
Do you have a target in mind of what you'd
like to raise, not.

Speaker 8 (01:24:27):
So much, because I hope it's just continues.

Speaker 21 (01:24:29):
I mean, of course i'd love to reach up to that,
you know, five teen thousand, but it's just ongoing.

Speaker 8 (01:24:34):
I hope it never I hope it never ends.

Speaker 21 (01:24:36):
I say a year, but I hope in a year's
time I still want to do something else and just
keep giving, keep giving it back.

Speaker 3 (01:24:43):
You're also a family lawyer. You've got young children as well.
How do you balance all these different parts of your life.

Speaker 21 (01:24:49):
I think I've said before the typerope is very, very tight.
But no, I've got amazing support around me. I've got
my fiance who's fantastic with the kids, and he helps
out in so many aspects.

Speaker 8 (01:24:59):
We can drag the law into music concerts.

Speaker 21 (01:25:01):
So it's the friends, the family, even work, my work
are very encouraging.

Speaker 8 (01:25:07):
So I have the right people around me.

Speaker 3 (01:25:09):
I don't think he needs to be dragged to the music.
It's a it's not you know, a band thing to
have to go and do.

Speaker 8 (01:25:18):
I mean, I mean, it's it's not.

Speaker 21 (01:25:19):
But I think obviously we all have our different passions,
and you know, he would much prefer to be at
a car show or something.

Speaker 8 (01:25:26):
But no, he's very very supportive of coming to these events.

Speaker 3 (01:25:29):
How do you describe your music? There's not just one
genre in here, is there?

Speaker 21 (01:25:34):
No? I mean I've always liked to think it's country.
I mean that's all I ever listened to is country music.
But we've mixed in. There's a bit of pop, there's
a bit of rock, there's just so maybe. Yeah, I
don't really know it. So I think it's just whatever
I write, and then I usually bring it to my producer,
Greg Have, who's amazing, and I say to him, hate you.
Obviously no country, but let's throw in a few inspirations

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in there.

Speaker 3 (01:25:55):
Do you write on the piano or guitar or both?

Speaker 21 (01:25:58):
It used to be primarily the guitar, and now it
is piano that I find it easiest to write on.

Speaker 8 (01:26:04):
It tends to be more ballady if it's piano, though, Yes.

Speaker 3 (01:26:08):
I think that's the great Spee was. I think I
noticed that listening to the album What was very very
comfortable on the piano. So who or what else influences
your style?

Speaker 6 (01:26:19):
Oh?

Speaker 8 (01:26:19):
I love so.

Speaker 21 (01:26:20):
I love musicians like Carrie Underwood, love Delta Goodrum, who's
not country, but she's pop, She's got this beautiful tone,
and I love a bit of Shania Twain which she
has in a bit of fight. So I love just
a lot of few musical inspirations, but I mainly I
just love the stories. I love listening to the stories
that some musicians come up with, and then sometimes I

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might take a little bit of inspiration and think, oh,
how does that impact on my life as well?

Speaker 3 (01:26:44):
So I read that you never really wanted to be
on the spotlight?

Speaker 7 (01:26:48):
Why was that?

Speaker 21 (01:26:50):
I've always been I mean, in perison, I talk a lot,
so if you ever meet me in person, there's no
style from me from talking. But when it comes to music,
I've always been quite reserved. I've always been heading away.
I write my songs and you know, on the piano,
and then they tended to just go away. And I
never thought that I would be the one up on stage.
But honestly, I've.

Speaker 8 (01:27:08):
Gotten quite addicted to being on stage. Just it's a
lot of fun.

Speaker 3 (01:27:12):
How did you overcome there? Is it just doing? Is
it just doing it and getting comfortable with it?

Speaker 4 (01:27:17):
Yep?

Speaker 8 (01:27:17):
Just do it.

Speaker 21 (01:27:18):
As one of that I like to say now to
people who ask me who are a bit shy. Just
do it, just even if you are afraid. It's not
about learning how to be confident. I think being confident
is about knowing that you probably aren't going to be
good at it, but doing it anyway, until you just
learn how to be good. I still get afraid, I
still get very afraid, but sometimes I get up and
can't wait.

Speaker 3 (01:27:39):
But that's I think that's I think that's important. And
I think you talk to a lot about as He'll
say to you the day that I walk out, and
I take it for granted and I'm not a bit
nervous or I'm not really you know, then you're probably
not ready for to perform exactly.

Speaker 8 (01:27:51):
I don't mean.

Speaker 21 (01:27:51):
My mom likes to tell me that as well. She
says to me, if you're nervous, it's a good sign
you still care, you still want to be good. But
as long as you just don't let your nerves and
your fears stop you from doing it, get up, get it,
even if you're terrified, get up and do it.

Speaker 8 (01:28:05):
It's not going to.

Speaker 21 (01:28:06):
Result something terrible, and I hope, I hope not. But
just get up and enjoy it, and over time it
becomes less and it doesn't impact you so much, So.

Speaker 3 (01:28:15):
What is the future for you in music? You've been
labeled as one to watch.

Speaker 21 (01:28:20):
Well, that's exciting. But for me, I want to grow
as a songwriter. I would love to start writing with
other musicians. I have been writing with some other musicians,
and just keep growing and keep writing.

Speaker 8 (01:28:31):
I do have a goal.

Speaker 21 (01:28:32):
I have a goal in my head of releasing at
least one hundred songs in the next few years and
seen how that works.

Speaker 8 (01:28:38):
But it's a little bucket list target. But I just
want to keep releasing.

Speaker 21 (01:28:42):
I want to keep performing and just really learning how
to just as I said before, just give back and
be in a position to support other artists.

Speaker 3 (01:28:50):
I'm not really surprised. You're a lawyer, you're a mum,
you're you're a country singer, you're releasing albums. I'm not
at all surprised that you've seen a little goal. You've gone, okay, right,
what am I doing? What am I going to achieve?

Speaker 6 (01:28:59):
Am I?

Speaker 3 (01:29:00):
You've got it all organized?

Speaker 7 (01:29:01):
Huh?

Speaker 8 (01:29:02):
I mean I've got the to do list. I definitely
have it to do list.

Speaker 21 (01:29:05):
But no, the next thing is I am hoping let's
let's see if we talk next year, if I've achieved this.
I really want to create a music video, a proper,
well organized, good music video.

Speaker 8 (01:29:17):
So that's definitely on the list for one of the
next songs I'm recording.

Speaker 3 (01:29:20):
I love it, Carara, really nice to meet you. Thank
you so much, very much enjoying the album that was.
Karra Rhoades her debut album, Hometown Therapy is out now
on all streaming platforms. Remember for the next year, all
streaming royalties go to the charity Shine. Coming up next,
we have the panel actually very quickly though, before we
go to the break, I do just want to say

(01:29:42):
I went and saw Black Grace on Friday night. If
you remember back to the show two weeks ago, we
spoke to Neil Ramiir who is the founder and director
of Black Grace, which has been going for thirty years.
So they're doing these really special performances in Auckland and
in christ Church celebrating their thirty year anniversary. And they're

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doing two pieces, If There Ever was a Time, which
is a brand new piece choreographed by Neil and the
very famous choreographer Paul Taylor's Esplanade. I think it's the
first time it's been performed here or licensed to be
performed here in New Zealand. We're not Friday Night. Absolutely stunning,
just incredible, so invigorating, just wonderful. The show was going

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it is time for the panel and I'd like to
welcome to the show's day does it b Wellington Morning's
host Nick mills Hi, Nick Morning and We also have
the host of the Front Page podcast, Chelsea Daniels. Good morning, Chelsea,
Happy Sunday. Happy Sunday to you too. Right, tomorrow marks
two years of the Coalition government. We're likely under probably

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just under a year away from the next election, and
of course, I think, as we would expect, Nick, we're
sort of starting to see members of the Coalition government
position themselves ahead of the year. Were you ault all
surprised to sort of sit to see Winston sort of
stepping out and you say he'll repeal the Regulatory Standards Act.

Speaker 20 (01:31:52):
I was a little bit surprised, but not greatly surprised
that that sounds like I'm sitting on a fence. The
thing is that Winston hasn't really enjoyed the time that
he hasn't been Deputy Prime Minister. I think he's trying
to make every post a winner. He's done that with
the Enter Island fairies. He's you know, shouted that from
the rooftops and he's right, and he's done a fantastic job.
I think that he thinks that this possibility that he

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can be more powerful than he is already, and I
think he could be. He probably also thinks that he
could maybe former coalition with just National and him at
the next election. I think that's what's in the back
of his mind. David Seymour probably hasn't been as as
high a profile, successible, successive, successful or likable as Winston

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has when he was deputy, so he's trying to bring
in things and be stronger and position his back is better.
So I'm not at all. I'm not really surprised, but
I am concerned that there's so much chatter about the
Prime minister. I am concerned for the country for that. Chelsea.

Speaker 3 (01:32:56):
What's your take on Winston Peters. I mean it's he's
always sort of said that he'll repeal it. He's just
kind of reminding everybody where he'll stand next year.

Speaker 8 (01:33:04):
I'm not surprised at all.

Speaker 22 (01:33:05):
I think I think he started distancing himself and really
electioneering once he handed over the Deputy prime ministership to
David Seymour. I mean, what was it a few weeks
after or something comes out with a bill and the
Biscuit tin about flying trans flags and then you know,
the what is the woman bill as well? The New
Zealand First Party came out after that. They always they've

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been aligning themselves away from the coalition government for the
last six months.

Speaker 8 (01:33:32):
So it doesn't surprise me in the slightest I'd be surprised.

Speaker 22 (01:33:34):
I'd be more surprised if he didn't, to be honest
with you, And in terms of the prime ministership, I
mean something has to happen.

Speaker 8 (01:33:43):
They're only a year and I say only a year
away from the election.

Speaker 22 (01:33:46):
The polls aren't looking amazing, and Nationals chucked all of
the eggs in that we're going to get ourselves a
better economy basket, and it's not working out for them.
What do they do if the economy is only slightly
better next year, which probably will be only slightly.

Speaker 8 (01:34:03):
What else do they have to, you know, say that
they have to achieve? What else are they campaigning on?

Speaker 7 (01:34:08):
Nick?

Speaker 3 (01:34:08):
When do they make when di would they.

Speaker 20 (01:34:11):
Need to Let's get distract Let's get this really, really
straight from somebody that is a businessman that's had a
really tough time for a while. Let's get it all
out on the open. If the economy is only slightly
better come election time next year, slightly better, they're in
a lot of trouble. We've held on, we've promised the

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next year is going to be right. We understand where
the situation they inherit it, We understand all that stuff.
But if it's only slightly better, you know they're in trouble.
I don't think. I don't think the popularity of Christopher
Luxen is the issue. The issue is they have as
a coalition, had to make some extremely hard decisions, hurt

(01:34:54):
a hell of a lot of people that weren't even
hurting before. Some people that were doing okay in business
really are struggling now in business because of decisions they've made.
So I don't think it's really I think you could have,
you know, Michael Jackson being the Prime Minister of New Zealand,
and he'll be very unpopular. Whatever whoever you can think
of will be unpopular. It's just the decisions they're making.

(01:35:17):
So I think we've got to see some success, some
big success as a country early next year.

Speaker 22 (01:35:24):
But Michael Jackson is the most uncontroversial figure you could
think of on a dime neck.

Speaker 20 (01:35:30):
Yeah, yeah, I know, I stick of a big name.

Speaker 3 (01:35:32):
But Nick, here's the question. You know that the person
who's ultimately responsible for all those issues and all the
things which aren't wrong is the prime minister. So when
do you get concerned, When does the chatter sort of
start becoming a little bit more serious about what you
do about your leadership.

Speaker 20 (01:35:48):
My concern is it's a popularity contest, and this position
shouldn't be a popularity contest. Yes, he doesn't gell to
a lot of people. I've met him a few times,
and I think he's a fantastic guy. I mean, I
like him as a guy, I like him.

Speaker 6 (01:36:01):
As a person.

Speaker 20 (01:36:02):
I have struggled in business because of decisions that is
government's made, but that doesn't stop me from thinking that
hopefully he's doing the right for the country. And someone
said to me yesterday, and I love this quote. Those
who are doing well right now love the coalition and
love what's going on. Those who are not doing well
hate the coalition. They've always got it when someone's not

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doing well, they've always got to blame someone else, and
it's an easy blame. So those who are not doing
well are blaming a the Prime Minister and be the government.
And guess what, there's one hell of a lot of
us not doing well right now.

Speaker 3 (01:36:38):
I mean, Chelsea, politicians are always going to politic, aren't they.
I mean, that's part of what you expect these sort
of conversations always white part. But the coalition has another
essentially another year to get things done, so I would
suggest that sort of put a little bit more of
that behind you and sort of get back to the
do list.

Speaker 8 (01:36:57):
I mean, that's what they probably should be doing.

Speaker 22 (01:36:59):
But in terms of you know, the politicians coming back
after Christmas time, it's going to be full, you know,
full gear. If you've got you've we've got polls out
there suggesting that labor can do a better job with
the economy. At this point, when that's something that you
fully elected did on last election, then you've.

Speaker 8 (01:37:14):
Got real issues.

Speaker 22 (01:37:16):
And unfortunately it shouldn't be a popularity contest, but it
is like the thought of having another Chris versus Chris
as well, it's just.

Speaker 8 (01:37:26):
I mean, I'm falling asleep at the minute, do you
know what I mean? They need somebody charismatic, They need
somebody who can, you know, be good on and off camera.
The campaigning also needs a real kick up the ass.

Speaker 22 (01:37:40):
I mean, I've been completely enthralled by Zordan Mumdani's election
campaign in New York. Whatever hit you think about his
progressive ideas and liberalism.

Speaker 8 (01:37:50):
The campaign was just on point, and so I.

Speaker 22 (01:37:53):
Reckon, there's going to be some real hard conversations, especially
over summer before next year, and they'll be they'll be
straight off the bat.

Speaker 20 (01:38:00):
Can someone give me that person? Can someone give me
that person?

Speaker 6 (01:38:05):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (01:38:06):
Looking maybe with.

Speaker 8 (01:38:11):
Something?

Speaker 2 (01:38:14):
Go back to Michael Jackson.

Speaker 8 (01:38:17):
Back in the running right about.

Speaker 3 (01:38:19):
Right, We're going to move on from Michael Jackson. I
want to talk to you too. Started off the show
by talking to a psychiatrist about the changes which are
going to happen on February the first next year, and
we're going to have trained gps who are able to
diagnose and prescribe for ADHD for eighteen and over. Are
you confident next sort to hearing this that gps are

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going to be you know, ready to do this? That
I mean, obviously you do a bit of training and
off you go. You're feeling confident that this is a
good way to deal with the difficulty we have in
people getting access to diagnoses.

Speaker 20 (01:38:57):
Hell no, it terrifies me. It terrifies me because every
time and I did an hour on this on the show,
when you go to your GP, now they're writing in
your problems and putting it into a computer and looking
for an answer from your computer. And that's thinking about it.
This is the mind, the brain. This is expertise, far

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and away different to being a GP and a medical problem.
And you know what, Twice twice in the last five years,
and I employ and work with a lot of young
people under pressure from university or studying and do all
that sort of stuff, and twice they've gone to the
GPS saying, telling me is their boss, I've got problems,
and they've gone to the GP. The first thing they

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diagnose them with is antidepressants and listen, that's not the
way to fix everything.

Speaker 2 (01:39:47):
And I know I hate the idea, sorry, Chelsea.

Speaker 3 (01:39:50):
So gps are going to have up to sort of
four hours to make the diagnosis with the patient. How
are you feeling about it? Do you feel that they've
had the proper training and we have good referrals for
people who have more than just ADHD on their hands
who need further assessment. But we've got that referral process
in place. Are you feeling confident about it?

Speaker 23 (01:40:11):
I'm on the fence with this one, you know, because
on one hand, the system is completely overrun, right in
order to get it an ADHD diagnosis in this country,
you've got to jump through hoops and do the market
aina and you know, list off all of the.

Speaker 22 (01:40:24):
Capitals of every state of the US like it's it's
incredibly difficult and incredibly expensive. So for those who really
need it, then yes, one hundred I think it's a
great idea.

Speaker 24 (01:40:36):
But those who will dupe the system because they want
to be prescribed a little drug called ritalin for I
don't know you're it's it's used recreationally, I.

Speaker 8 (01:40:47):
Believe amongst young people as well.

Speaker 22 (01:40:49):
I mean that's where I'm a bit iffy, and that's
where you know, these trained gps.

Speaker 8 (01:40:53):
I want to know about the training. I want to
know if it's going to be a weak course. I
want to know if it's going to be online, you.

Speaker 12 (01:40:59):
Know what I mean.

Speaker 8 (01:41:00):
So I'm here or there, I'm undersigned.

Speaker 3 (01:41:05):
I feel a little bit hesitant, a bit like you,
tun Nic, because I think that often you don't just
have one thing when you're nero adivergent, and there's a
little bit more at play which kind of needs to
be looked at and thought about. So I feel a
little bit the same as you, Nique, just sort of
I think we need to be very cautious about this. Hey, look,
just before you both go something which really kind of
grab my attention. And this will ring a bell to you, Chelsea.

(01:41:27):
Of course, in Australia, when you finish school, you have
school this week, right, and the kids will take off,
they go to the Gold Coast or something, don't know,
and they go crazy. So there's this new thing. It's
for mollies and this is for the mums or the
parents who no longer have kids at school who get
to They're all going to NUSA to party. And I've

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just my youngest is just finished school. And you know what, Chelsea,
I think this is the best idea ever. I could
definitely join those movies and go and celebrate the end
of what feels like a very long time of having
my kids at school. You still with me, Chelsea, Oh yeah, no.

Speaker 8 (01:42:06):
I think it's a fantastic idea. Goodness, man, I mean,
the choice to have children in the beginning haunts my mind.

Speaker 22 (01:42:12):
So imagine having that for eighteen years and being responsible
for an actual human being for eighteen years, and then
being able to let off steam after that eighteen years.

Speaker 8 (01:42:22):
I think it's fantastic idea.

Speaker 3 (01:42:23):
What about you not your kids all through school and
finished and did you celebrate.

Speaker 20 (01:42:28):
Yeah, I didn't celebrate at all. I think it's the
greatest time of your life. And I think that, and
who am I to question what excites a woman and
gives them the opportunity to break out and have a
good time. So I'm down for that, one hundred percent
down for that, especially if you're going with a whole
bunch of your mates and you oh, down for it. Well,
it's nothing better to see in a restaurant than a

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group of women having a good time breaking away from
their husbands laughing. They laugh.

Speaker 6 (01:42:55):
Men don't laugh.

Speaker 20 (01:42:56):
When they get together as a group of women. They
have fun, they laugh, they're free. It's fantastic. So I'm
not one to comment on that, but i can tell
you from experience that I know it's a sad moment
in your life when your kids finished school because that
whole involvement and the whole schooling thing, and it's just
I think it's one of the most important and fun
parts of your life.

Speaker 3 (01:43:17):
Oh, Nick, I feel terrible that I'm really excited about it.
I feel like I've done my time, don't.

Speaker 6 (01:43:25):
You.

Speaker 3 (01:43:25):
I'm looking forward, not back. I've done my time, I've
done my contribution, I've done my parent help, I've We've
got through it all, and I'm just really excited watching
your kids kind of taken off and becoming independent and
making their own decisions and seeing where it all going on. God, Nick,
I'm all for it much.

Speaker 20 (01:43:41):
The truth for you, I'll get one little line that
they don't go anywhere you home. Truth is, they never
ever ever leave you.

Speaker 3 (01:43:49):
Good's that's good, Thank you so much, Nick Mills and
Chelsea Daniels Is twenty four to twelve.

Speaker 1 (01:43:59):
It's the Sunday session with Francesca Rudkin on News Talks
at b.

Speaker 6 (01:44:11):
With some.

Speaker 3 (01:44:15):
Jason beine is coming up at midday with the Week
and Sport and he joins me, Now, good morning, good morning,
so much to talk about. What is your takeaway from
the All Blacks tour. I spoke to Elliott this morning.
He thought that, you know that lost to England is
probably the thing that's going to mark the tour and
he called it a failure.

Speaker 25 (01:44:33):
Ah well, I mean I would never disagree with our
rugby editor and lead match commentator a failure. Look, they
win three tests out of four, but they went there
with the stated aim of winning all four the Grand Slam,
and look in the days since the lost to England,
and even after the game today, they are still talking
about the lost to England. So it's clear how much

(01:44:55):
that hurt them, how much it meant to them, and
how much they'll have to reflect on a tour that
probably in their eyes, is a failure.

Speaker 3 (01:45:03):
If you go off with the.

Speaker 25 (01:45:03):
Stated aim of winning four Test matches and you only
win three of them, then yeah, you haven't succeeded. I
must say I actually quite enjoyed this morning's game because
I didn't feel stressed at all. I didn't have any
kind of worry about it. I knew we were going
to win. There was nothing really at stake. I kind
of watched it and we've got a few tries and
I had another coffee after halftime. Well this is actually

(01:45:24):
quite pleasant. But then you have to then zoom out,
which we will this afternoon, and look at the All
Black's year on the whole and say, does what happened
this morning change the complexion of the year. I don't
think it does. I think that was sort of sealed
at full time.

Speaker 3 (01:45:37):
It took in them last week and two years out
from the Rugby World Cup, which is the thing that
matters the most. Do you think we're where we need
to be?

Speaker 25 (01:45:44):
No, No, absolutely not, No, I can't. I don't think
any All Blacks fan could say with any degree of
confidence that in three big test matches in three straight weekends,
in a knockout situation in two years from now, that
they would be one hundred percent confident that we would
win all three of those. So no, that's not something
I'm confident about. However, it is only no November twenty

(01:46:07):
twenty five. The last time I checked. The World Cup
is in November twenty twenty seven. Well the final as anyway,
so two years. Look, they say, I look, it doesn't
feel like a long time, but actually it is a
long time. It is a lot of right, Yep, there's a.

Speaker 3 (01:46:21):
Lot of in the right time.

Speaker 2 (01:46:22):
That's right.

Speaker 25 (01:46:22):
If I point peaking in November twenty twenty five French, yes,
I've learned that, So point me peaking at this time
at eleven forty.

Speaker 3 (01:46:29):
It's I need to be peaking at midday and it's
both aimed to peak by twenty twenty seven. I have
been very slow at getting interested in cricket this season,
and the last two days I have been I can't.
I couldn't leave the couch because the ashes I am there?
How one, how crazy, how thrilling, how exciting, fantastic cricket.

(01:46:54):
I love the stadium, I love the crowd, love watching
England and Australia play. And I totally got bored in.
But all I could think of was two days, five
day tests done in two days? What about? How much
money do they lose on t kids I'm broadcasting? How
do the sponsors feel? This is nuts?

Speaker 25 (01:47:10):
It is crazy a two day test, and not because
the pitch was terrible or because it was an utter mismatch.
These are two of supposedly the best sides in world cricket.
I just think I've forgotten how to play cricket. Well,
not forgotten cricket. I've gotten how to play test cricket.
I've gotten how to occupy the crease, build partnerships, all
of that stuff. Imagine if you're a you know, you're
a family, and you could afford to go to one
day's test cricket, you say, right, we're going to go

(01:47:31):
on the Sunday. We're going to go today.

Speaker 3 (01:47:32):
Day three of the of the.

Speaker 25 (01:47:34):
Test have been all the food that's been ordered in
advance for today, all of that stuff.

Speaker 3 (01:47:39):
What happens to that. I know this is the I'm
glad you're thinking along the same lines that I have.
It's nothing to do with the cricket. It's all all
the consequences the clatural damage. Look, there's lots of other
things happening this afternoon, of course, Vegas kicking off at
five pm and Liam Lawson sitting nicely at sixth on Pole.

Speaker 25 (01:47:56):
Yeah, and I'm looking forward to Yeah. Well we'll come
off the rugby this afternoon. We've got some stuff on
the ashes as well. Yes, Liam Lawson to and heaps
of other stuff to Francisca. So no point me peaking now.
I'll pick up it later one.

Speaker 3 (01:48:06):
It's just save that for another fifteen minutes. We're looking
for seventeen to twelve.

Speaker 1 (01:48:11):
The Sunday Session Full Show podcast on iHeartRadio, powered by
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is Yours book Now.

Speaker 3 (01:48:25):
Nevere wor you took the midnight tra it is time
to talk travel and joining us now is Megan Singleton.

Speaker 10 (01:48:39):
Good morning, good morning. I wasn't on the midnight train,
but I could have been. I found out from Boston
you can get the train to New Orleans in thirty
five hours.

Speaker 3 (01:48:51):
Ooh yeah, I've done thirty hour train trips in China before.
It's it's a substantial amount of time unless you've got
very good you.

Speaker 10 (01:48:59):
Know, super sleeper cabin ye sleeping yea and things.

Speaker 3 (01:49:03):
But look, tell me about this trip. So you trained
from Boston to New York.

Speaker 10 (01:49:07):
Yeah, so it took about four hours. We could have
flown in about an hour and a half. But you
know the difference between flying from say Boston to New
York and getting the train is that you don't have
to check in to three hours before your flight. In fact,
only fifteen minutes before departure did they tell you what
platform to be on. And you also arrived right in

(01:49:28):
the heart of Manhattan, so there's no great big one
hour you know, taxi kerfuffles trying to get through to
the hotel. So it also it was really cheap. I've
been watching the Amtrak website for weeks and the fares
had been fluctuating from two hundred dollars a seat to
sixty dollars, and that's what we paid. So sixty dollars
each to get four hour train journey from Boston to

(01:49:50):
New York. And it was really fun. We enjoyed it,
and I'd totally recommend it.

Speaker 3 (01:49:55):
Why does that price fluctuate so much?

Speaker 10 (01:49:57):
This undemand yeah, demand and they have some different trains,
so we took the Ascelia. I don't know, there's a
business we could have gone business class and paid like
seventy five dollars. I was so tight to do that.
I don't know why it fluctuates. It's it's just one
of those things. So that's and often flights do too right.

(01:50:17):
So that's why I'm always a fan of checking sites
like skyscanneral, putting in an alert for your destination and
you'll get an email when the flights have dropped, and
maybe that's when you should book. So little, just a
little tip here.

Speaker 3 (01:50:29):
Is it a picturesque train trip?

Speaker 2 (01:50:32):
Well it is.

Speaker 10 (01:50:33):
So the tip was get on South Station in Boston.
That's the first station. You don't get seat numbers. So
I read on these Facebook groups of Boston. Sit on
the left, and then you can watch Connecticut roll by
and it's beautiful. So we sort of chug out through
town and it's not very beautiful. But then you get
to these lovely what are they not lagoons but they're

(01:50:55):
off the ocean, but they're surrounded by this beautiful houses
and still calm waters and it was autumn leaves and
it was just so quintessential Connecticut, really beautiful. By the
time you come into New York, the skyline is going
to be on your right, so at that point the
train will be full because it stops at stations all
the way along, so you have to pick your choice.

(01:51:16):
But I'd say sit on the left, watch Connecticut roll by,
and there's a food car on board so you can
take you can take food and things like that, but
you can also buy it on board. There was free
Wi Fi. And then we arrived into crazy, hectic Penn
station in the middle of Manhattan, and we hailed a

(01:51:37):
cab from outside of the Madison Square Garden Taxiq and
went straight to our hotel on the Lower East Side
and it was a really good.

Speaker 3 (01:51:45):
Time, all sorted.

Speaker 8 (01:51:46):
I love it.

Speaker 3 (01:51:46):
Thank you so much, Megan. Meghan will get her blogs
up at blog at large dot com. If you're planning
a trip to the US, it is eleven to twelve.

Speaker 2 (01:51:54):
Books with Wiggles for the Best Election of Great Reads.

Speaker 3 (01:51:58):
John McKenzie, Good morning, Good morning. First book today is
by Lee Child and Andrew Childs. I'd just like to
say I think the Child's been one of my favorite
guests this year on the Sunday Session. He's just such
a delight to talk to, so humble and sitt of
down to earth.

Speaker 26 (01:52:14):
Is He's a very very nice man.

Speaker 6 (01:52:15):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:52:16):
No, Anyway, the book it's called Exit Strategy, Yes.

Speaker 26 (01:52:18):
And I think it's very appropriate title actually, because many
listeners will know that Lee's brother, Andrew has been taking
over the writing of the series, and I believe that
this is the first one that Andrew has written on
his own, even though Lee's name is still on the cover.
So Exit Strategy, it seemed to me, is kind of
an appropriate title. And this is the third and the thirtieth,

(01:52:39):
I should say, in the jack Reached a series, So
Jackson Baltimore. He's gone there for a blues concert and
while he's there, he walks into a coffee shop and
he feels somebody brush up against him, and it's only
later that he figures out that that person must have
slipped a note into his pocket asking for help and
giving the address of a place to meet up for

(01:52:59):
a late night meeting, and Jack's quite clear that the
note has been delivered to the wrong person and was
clearly tended for somebody else. But of course, being Jack,
he's intrigued enough to go along and see what's going on,
and there he meets a guy called Nathan Gilmore who's
in a bit of a spot of bother. He used
to work in military intelligence, which of course Jack Reacher

(01:53:20):
used to also, so there's a parallel there. And after leaving,
he struggled with a gambling addiction, and he got down
on his luck and he had lots of debts, and
some person came along and offered to pay off all
of the debts and get him a job at the
Baltimore Port, which he was terribly pleased about, but in exchange,
he was required to feed information about shipments coming in

(01:53:41):
through the port.

Speaker 3 (01:53:42):
So you get the picture.

Speaker 26 (01:53:44):
There's bad stuff going on, of course there is, and
it all turns ugly, and Nathan and Jack decide to
talk to another worker at the port who they think
is being blackmailed, and from there they start to unravel
the trail and figure out exactly what's going on I Reckon.
This is classic Jack Reacher. He's drifting through America, he
finds himself in weird situations. He dispenses vis jilante justice

(01:54:07):
to protect the vulnerable, and then he catches the next
greyhound out of town and he's off for the next adventure.

Speaker 3 (01:54:13):
Tell me about Josie Shapiro's new book. I loved her
first book, Everything is Beautiful and Everything Hurts, because it
was about running, which I related to. But she's a
fabulous local writer she is.

Speaker 26 (01:54:26):
And her new one is called Good Things Come and Go.
And while the first one was based around running, this
one has got skateboarding going on in the background. Now,
anybody who knows me would know that running and skateboarding
are most likely not my things, but they make great
backgrounds to the struggles and the hopes and the aspirations

(01:54:47):
of these characters. So it starts off in Los Angeles,
where a New Zealand couple are living pennies. An artist
and her dad is one of New Zealand's most revered painters,
and her partner is a professional skateboarder whose career is
on the way out. And they're very sad people because
their young daughter recently died of leukemia, and they're both
seriously adrift and they're in danger of losing each other.

(01:55:10):
The relationship's going to fold. So when Pennies offered the
chance to hold a solo exhibition back in Auckland, they
decide to come home. And they come back to Wahiki Island,
which was where they grew up and their families still live,
and they reconnect with a childhood friend who's also a skateboarder.
But the three of them have got this shared but
complicated history, and now as adults with lives that aren't

(01:55:33):
going the way they'd planned, there's all these undercurrents bubbling
away which threatened to derail them all. And I think
Josie is very clever. Her books I find compulsively readable.
There's this recognizable New Zealand landscape, but she writes people
you can believe in and that you want to read about,
and in a way, in a very small way. I

(01:55:53):
know this is normally associated with science fiction and Game
of Thrones type stuff, but I think that she does
world building in this small environment, with an ecosystem that
connects these people with one another, and it just feels
so real.

Speaker 1 (01:56:08):
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Speaker 6 (01:56:15):
Right.

Speaker 3 (01:56:15):
Those two books that Joan mentioned Exit Strategy by Lee
Child and Andrew Child, and also Good Things Come and
Go by Josie Shapiro. Hey, thank you so much for
joining me on the Sunday session today. Love you to
have your company. Thank you so much to Samuel and
Kerry for producing the show's day. Jason Pine is up next.
He's ready to peek at midday with you with weekend

(01:56:36):
Sport Renny. Looking forward to catching up with you next Sunday.
My guest is Russell Crowe, which I'm very excited about.
We're going to talk about his new film Nurreenberg, and
probably a little bit of Rugby League as well. Hey,
enjoy the rest of your Sunday afternoon. Take care.

Speaker 2 (01:57:06):
Or from the Sunday Session with Francesca Rudkin.

Speaker 1 (01:57:09):
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