Full Show Podcast: 30 November 2025

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Speaker 1 (00:06):
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Speaker 2 (00:28):
Good morning, Welcome to the Sunday Session. I'm Francisca Rudkin,
with you until midday. Coming up on the show today,
Russell Crowe. I am so excited. Russell stars in the
new film Nuremberg. He plays Hermann Goring and he is
excellent as you would expect. Russell's a bit old school.
He's in this business because he loves acting. He treats
it with a huge amount of respects. We're going to
talk about how he prepped, how he prepared to pay

(00:51):
the man's second in command to Hitler, and find out
what he thinks about the Oscar hype around this film.
So Russell Crowe is with me after ten. After eleven,
I'm joined by another local legend, Farnaby Weird, lead singer
of the Black Seeds and band leader of Fly My Pretties.
Now the Seeds are playing Symphony Festival in Auckland next March.
Symphony takes dance anthems, reimagine them with an orchestra, and

(01:13):
these concerts have become hugely popular. So I'm going to
get Barnaby's thoughts on why, and also we find out
what else the Black Seeds are up to over summer.
And as always, your most welcome to text throughout the morning.
On ninety two ninety.

Speaker 3 (01:25):
Two, the Sunday session.

Speaker 2 (01:29):
It's eight past nine. So did you get yourself a
bargain on Black Friday or some kind of good deal
in the last ten days that may also be associated
with the Black Friday. I've done quite a bit of
Christmas shopping this weekend, most of it online through Kiwi retailers,
and have saved at least the shipping costs or up

(01:50):
to maybe twenty five percent savings, which you know, it
all adds up. There have been warnings this week about
being sucked into Black Friday and Cyber Monday sales. Consume
In New Zealand, they did a three month investigation. They
tracked ten products at four major retailers and they found
that half of the items could have been bought at
the same or lower prices at some point in the

(02:12):
last three months. But I think we all know this
Black Friday is a brilliantly executed marketing campaign. The reality
is a lot of discounts or a token gesture. But
if you do your homework and you have a bit
of luck, you can find something you wanted for a
good price. And I think that we approach shopping differently

(02:32):
these days, driven by the fact a lot of the
big retailers have sales all the time. If we look
at the main sales at this time of the year,
people go shopping at Labor Weekend, Black Friday, Cyber Monday,
and hey, look, if you've missed out boxing days on
hear about four weeks away, so you'd be an idiot
to buy something when it wasn't on sale. But hopefully

(02:56):
all the spending will still be giving retailers the lift
they need. This week, there was a little bit of
good news from Stats New Zealand with data showing the
total volume of time sales increased one point nine percent
in the September quarter compared to the June twenty twenty
five quarter, and this is the largest quarterly increase in
activity since December twenty twenty one last year. Payment provided

(03:18):
a data show that more than one hundred and seventy
five million was spent at core merchant retail merchants during
Black Friday weekend and it's going to be really interesting
to see what the figure is this year. In retail,
it sort of seems to be a little bit of
a frenzy round retail at the moment. Look at the
anticipation around I Care opening in Auckland's Mount Wellington this

(03:39):
week on December fourth. Good on at for warning shoppers
there could potentially be forty minute delays to get off
the motorway and then it may take an hour to
fign a car park. You were warned. You may think
it's unnecessary, but we all know what it's like when
we when we hit that traffic on the motorway and
we stop. Look, I know it's exciting I Care opening.

(04:00):
I have a kid going flatting next year. I wouldn't
be surprised if we end up buying a flat pack
of some sort, but I it's not going anywhere. Do
yourself a favor and give it some time before you
descend on the Swedish Giant, or better still, shop at
some of our very own Kiwi Excellent flat pack furniture stores.
But look, if you're less patient than me, and you're
prepared to deal with the traffic. Best of luck out

(04:22):
there for a Sunday session. I know that most Kiwis
we love to shop in person. I think about eighty
five percent of us like to go to shops. So
have you been out enjoying the sales? Has it worked
for you? Was it chaos or was it just sort
of that normal sort of pre Christmas busyness and it
was absolutely manageable and you've you know, you've loved the

(04:44):
sales this weekend. Ninety two ninety two is the text.
I'm an online shopper. I do all my research early
and then I go home and I just sit and
wait for the prices to be good, and then I
do everything online. So I just like a quick shout
out to the couriers because I know that they are
starting to ramp up for Christmas. But the parcels they're
hitting the door in very good time. You've only got

(05:05):
four more weeks to go, guys, keep it up. I
tell you who probably hasn't had a chance to make
the most of the Black Friday sales this weekend, and
that's Chris Hipkins, because he's been very busy at the
Labor Party conference and he joins me. Next, that is
twelve past nine. You're with News Talks eb.

Speaker 1 (05:20):
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Speaker 3 (05:28):
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Speaker 2 (05:30):
It's fourteen past nine. Now Labor has shifted into campaign
mode as the party meets for its annual conference in Auckland.
With less than a year unto the next election. Labor
Party leader Chris Hipkins opened with an emphatic message believe
we can win. So how does he plan to do it?
Chris Hopkins joins me, now, good morning, thank you for
your time. Chris, good morning.

Speaker 4 (05:49):
I'll love you to talk to you.

Speaker 2 (05:50):
So how has Labor changed since election defeat in twenty
twenty three.

Speaker 4 (05:55):
I think one of the first and really important things
was we realized in twenty twenty three that we did lose.
I've seen a lot of political parties over my time
in politics, you know, pretends that the voter is wrong
and that they did everything right that one day the
voters would just come round to thinking that they'd made
a mistake. We recognized that people didn't vote for what
we were offering in twenty twenty three, So we were
going to have to change if we wanted to win

(06:16):
the next election. So we've spent time really focusing on
what didn't go well for us and what we need
to change. We needed to be focused on a smaller
set of priorities. We've refreshed our lineup. You know, we've
got new spokespeople in most of the big roles, and
we've got new ideas that we're putting before the public.

Speaker 2 (06:35):
You're polling well, but how much of that is down
to you, Chris, and how much of that is down
to people being disillusioned with the current coalition because they
are playing a little bit into your hands, aren't they.

Speaker 4 (06:46):
It's both of those things, to be fair, that people
are really disappointed in this government. They promised that they
were going to fix the economy, deal with the cost
of living. They've done neither of those things, and so
people are very disappointed with them. But they're also looking
at labor and saying, well, actually we do quite like
what you've got to offer. We're talking about three free doctors'
visits for all New Zealanders. That's something that people are

(07:07):
very concerned about. They can't see the doctor when they
need to because many cases they can't afford it. Talking
about investing in our future, creating in New Zealand where
our kids want to stay rather than leave it rate
of two hundred a day, which is what's happening at
the moment. The issues that we're talking about are the
issues that I think are enthusing New Zealanders.

Speaker 2 (07:25):
I feel like we've gone into campaign mode quite early, Chris.
I mean, you know, a lot of the time, policy
isn't released till sometimes six weeks before the actual you know,
day that we all go and vote in things. I
feel like there's sort of some momentum going and you
can see it with various different parties at the moment.

Speaker 4 (07:43):
Well, the current government sort of fell apart not long
after it was formed and they've been campaigning ever since.
So one of the questions I think New Zealanders will
be asking them is why would we vote to these
guys when they're basically only ever interested in campaigning and
not interested in governing the country and delivering on the
promises that they make.

Speaker 2 (07:59):
Well, it's interesting. I don't know if I've caught it campaigning.

Speaker 4 (08:03):
Well, I mean, if you look at St. Peter's and
David Semore. They've been fighting against each other from day
one of this government rather than actually doing the things
that they said they're going to do. I mean, why
are they making promises about what they do after the
next election now when there's still a year of governing
to go and they don't seem to be making any
effort to do the things that they say they want
to do. They could do them now they're the government now,

(08:25):
they don't need to make promises for the next election.
Every day they've got the opportunity to make those changes,
and they choosing instead to get out there on the
campaign trail. It's like a year away from the election.
We're the opposition. We want to be on the campaign trail.
We're eager to win the next election. The current government
should be focused on actually running the country.

Speaker 2 (08:41):
You have spent time since the last election during major
policy review and we're we're hearing about some of that now.
Can we expect to see anything radically different from labor
in terms of policy?

Speaker 4 (08:55):
The new zeven Future Funder is a big departure from
where we're at previously. So we're focused on changing the
way we view our current public efforts making sure that
we're reinvesting the returns in those and creating good jobs
for New Zealanders and creating growing New Zealand's asset based
for future generations. Three free doctors' visits speaks to the
issues that key we care about. We will introduce a

(09:16):
targeted capital gains tax because it speaks to a huge
issue for New Zealanders, which is that we're investing so
much money in speculative housing investment and not enough money
in the productive economy to create jobs for New Zealanders.

Speaker 2 (09:30):
You're speaking the autternoon. What can we expect in that speech?
Will there be any policy announcements from you?

Speaker 4 (09:35):
I've got a little policy announcement today, not a big one.
We said that we're going to do three big policy
announcements this year, and we've done those. There will be
more big policy announcement next year, but for now, we're
going to be recapping what it is that we're taking
to the electorate so far. You know what we've announced
so far, and just setting out a bit of a
vision for the future of the country.

Speaker 2 (09:57):
Gentle teas there do you You mentioned before that you've
had a bit of a reassess with your lineup and
things as well. But you've also lost a lot of
your top talent, a lot of experience after the last election.
Do you think you've got the personnel within the party
to form a government? New Zealanders can be confident in.

Speaker 4 (10:13):
It's very natural that there's a bit of a turnover
after you lose the election. But to take finance, you know,
we have Barbara Edmonds and the finance portfolio. She's relatively new,
she was only a minister for a few months before
the last election, but she has an understanding of that
portfolio that I think surpasses anybody else in Parliament. She's
got extensive experiences, you know, in the areas around tax

(10:35):
as a tax lawyer and as someone as a government advisor.
And the feedback I'm getting from up here in Auckland,
for example, from the business community is they have huge
confidence in Barbara Edmonds and knowing that she can actually
grow the economy and run the government's finances responsibly. We've
got new spokespeople in education, new spokespeople across most of

(10:57):
the major portfolios, and that's giving labor a new sense
of energy.

Speaker 2 (11:02):
Someone which I think really frustrates New Zealand as an
awful lot is when we get a new we get
a new coalition, a new government, there seems to be
a lot of repealing. There's a reverting of things, and
at times there are issues whether it's DOE with education,
health and infrastructure that most New Zealanders would like to
see much more bipartisan approach when you come back and

(11:22):
are you just going to stand there and go right, okay,
we're going to change this, change that, change that, or
will you be assessing everything individually and making calls on it.

Speaker 4 (11:32):
We've really heard the message from New Zealand is that
there's been a lot of change and that they're looking
for a bit of stability and and key areas so
things like infrastructure investment. We just want to keep the
ball rolling there. But there's no point in constantly reassessing
the country's priorities all the time. It just slows everything down,
it means nothing happens and everything costs too much. So
we've just got to keep the momentum going there. Similarly,

(11:53):
in resource management ext reform, the current government are probably
going to get about eighty percent towards something that we'd support.
So my message to Chris Bishop and Christopher Uxen has
been we split the difference.

Speaker 3 (12:04):
You know we will.

Speaker 4 (12:05):
We will get behind that. So we don't want to
be changing things just for the sake of changing them.

Speaker 2 (12:11):
How are you going to win back those Mara seats?
How important is it the Labor to do that?

Speaker 4 (12:15):
We want to win back all of the Mardi seats.
The Marti parties in no fit state to form you
to play any constructive role in government. And we're going
to have a really strong lineup of new candidates in
the Mahdi electorates. They're very fired up of Cosha Tongued Manual.
She's the one Labor MP who holds one of those
Marti seats at the moment. She spoke at our conference

(12:35):
yesterday and talked about the importance of winning those seats
back for Labor. We are absolutely determined to do that.

Speaker 2 (12:41):
Chris, and know it's been a busy weekend for you,
so really appreciate you talking to us this morning. Thank
you so much. That was Labor Party leader Chris Hopkins
there king to hear your thoughts on what he had
to say. Do you think that the current government has
been campaigning since the minute they kind of stepped into power.
They've been pretty busy, but I do understand. I do
kind of get the comment he was making about New Zealand.

(13:03):
First and Act. It is twenty two past nine the
Sunday session. Okay, major disruptions. Yesterday's airlines around the world
had to ground their Airbus A three twenty aircraft. Many
travelers were left stranded after Airbus ordered immediate software fixes
the six thousand of its planes to took us through

(13:23):
what this means I'm doing by aviator commentator Irene King.
Good morning, Irene, good morning. How much of a concern
was this in terms of the disruption? How do you
think it's been handled?

Speaker 5 (13:37):
So first we let's address the concerns. You know, clearly
air Bus had identified some significant areas where they needed
to upgrade the systems to protect against a situation that
they had identified. So you know, we saw the immediate grounding,

(14:02):
and then of course we got to understand exactly, you know,
what sort of time frame this problem had to be rectified,
and it's quite sort of normal practice and something. Yes,
it's an unusual situation, but airlines are always precautionary and
then they look at well, can we do this? Can
we do that because that's all driven by absolute desire

(14:27):
to not disrupt their customers. And you know this is
I mean in the US you can imagine it was
Thanksgiving in that's peak travel day, and the disruptions were enormous.
The nice thing about being a small country is that
we can recover pretty quickly from these sorts of disruptions.

Speaker 2 (14:49):
Okay, so we've got a New Zealand saying that it's
aircraft will be back in service all at the aircraft
will be back in service by tonight. Do you think
that's that's pretty snappy for what they had to achieve?

Speaker 5 (15:00):
Absolutely? Absolutely. You know, I think we've got used to
sort of traditional eruptions around the entrance and airframes, and
they tend to be much more prolonged as we're seeing.
You know, it's been sort of like rolling for about
three years now and looks it's going to go for
another two years. But this was clearly, you know, a

(15:20):
fix that could be executed really quickly and with precision.
And I think, you know, that's one of the real
benefits of fly by wire type aircraft.

Speaker 2 (15:33):
Because we saw the European Union Aviation Safety Agency they
had their air buses, they continued to fly up to
midnight tonight, and so we take from that that the
risk was relatively low. But then you just you know,
there's that fine line, isn't there between guys. Well, if
the risk is relatively lowd we need to disrupt everybody?
Can we do this in a different way? Can we
do it?

Speaker 6 (15:53):
You know?

Speaker 5 (15:54):
Exactly? Airlines will always be precautionary, and so particularly you know,
we're quite remote from Airbus and this was happening, you know, overnight,
So we picked up a scenario fisting Saturday morning and
and you know, it takes it takes a period of

(16:15):
time to digest exactly you know, what the fix is.
And so I think, you know, we will always are
on the side of precaution. You can, you can take
that as assured. But then we see, you know, that
they are starting to get on top of the issue
and understand how quickly they can remedy the situation. And

(16:40):
so you know, they've put a deadline of midnight to
night and I'm sure there'll be every effit going into that.

Speaker 7 (16:48):
Member.

Speaker 5 (16:48):
We don't have a large fleet to to do this
work on, which is you know, a real positive. So
the messages airlines will always be precautionary.

Speaker 2 (17:02):
Does the US have a good reputation, Yes they.

Speaker 5 (17:05):
Do, and this isn't you know, this is you know,
we've had these excraft around for about twenty five years
now from memory, this is the first time I've heard
of such a significant disruption and clearly, you know, it's
identified to an event that happened a couple of weeks ago,
and so I imagine they've eliminated all other causes of that

(17:30):
event and come down and looked at and drilled down
into the software. Now it's not absolutely certain that it
was the software, but let's be again precautionary. And the
way we address these issues do the fix, and you
know we have a level of assurance that the problem

(17:51):
won't repeat.

Speaker 2 (17:52):
Irene King, thanks so much for your time this morning.
Really appreciate it. Yeah, and I felt for everybody yesterday.
It's you know, the weekend, everybody after family events and
all sorts of things, and the disruption is pretty hard
to with it, especially when it happens to so many
people at once, and then there's the case at the
airport to deal with. It's all a bit exhausting. But anyway,
I hope you got to where you needed to go

(18:13):
by about now, I think it's crossed. It is twenty
seven past ninety with Newstalks AB.

Speaker 1 (18:22):
It's the Sunday Session with Francesca Rudkin on news Dogs ATB.

Speaker 2 (18:27):
News Dog ZB. Senior political reporter Asaria Hall joins me. Now,
good morning, Asarria.

Speaker 8 (18:32):
Good morning, good to be with you.

Speaker 2 (18:34):
I just spoke to Chris Hopkins. He mentioned he's doing
his speak to staff and he's got a little policy
announcement to release, but it didn't sound like it was
going to be too big, but it was really interesting.
He was very passionate about the fact that Labor is
going to work hard to take back the Maori seats
and the next election. What do they have to do
to win back those seats.

Speaker 8 (18:52):
Yeah, that's a really big one in terms of the
campaign and something that seems a bit different for Labor
as well. I mean they didn't sort of really push
as hard last time. I mean, it's one of the
big things Labour's trying to win back all of the
Malti seats. I mean it really comes down to putting
the right people into those seats and getting trust. You
could argue as well that the situation with Tepati Maldi

(19:15):
recently in the past sort of couple of months may
be beneficial to Labor because it has been a bit
of a rocky situation there in terms of the party.
But yeah, I mean it's a big it's a big
call for Labor to say that they want to win
every single Maldi seat. I mean, if that does happen, though,
it could mean Tepati Maldi would possibly be out of

(19:37):
parliament because they have not been polling above that five
percent party vote threshold. It also means they wouldn't feature
in any coalition talks. But it's very much hypothetical. I mean,
Tipati Maldi currently has a majority of the Maldi seats.
They have all of them other than one, although as
we've said, there's been a lot of change within Teppati

(19:58):
Maldi recently that might put voters away. It also does
mean though Tippati Maldi has been more in the media,
their names and faces and more out there, so they
might have more recognition. It's unclear one hundred percent how
that would go, but it is very much hypothetical. But
former tet Pati Maldi MP ousted Tepati Malti and p

(20:18):
Takuda Feris has been calling for Labor to show what
he calls strategic restraint in the Maldi electorates. He's basically
wanting an overhang and wanting Labor to not win those
seats so that it would kind of change the makeup
of Parliament there and essentially it would be easier to
unseat the current coalition of National New Zealand First and Act.

Speaker 9 (20:41):
And as Chris.

Speaker 8 (20:41):
Hopkins mentioned in that interview, I thought it was really
interesting Kushla tangaide Manuel, the only Labor MP who's currently
holding a Maldi seat. She actually spoke to the conference,
the Labor Party conference that is going on, putting it
very clearly Labour want to win all seven of those
Maori seats, every single one of them, and that has
featured quite significantly in the conference this weekend.

Speaker 2 (21:05):
Can you just axplain to me what is going on
with the social media members bill and the advocacy group
before sixteen.

Speaker 8 (21:16):
Yeah, this is a really really interesting story from the
Herald this morning. A member of the Mowbray family, which
is quite a high profile entrepreneur family, messaged the Prime
Minister with disappointment about the National Party announcing legislation to
ban social media for under sixteens. Before a campaign event
on the matter, So National announced a member's bill to

(21:39):
essentially ban social media access for people under sixteen, a
similar policy. It seems to moves from Australia which have
been taking place politically. It's been a bit contentious as well.
I mean it's something Act has been questioning. There's been
a Select Committee inquiry into it. But some of the
members of a lobby group before sixteen include Zurdu founder

(22:02):
Arna Mobray and entrepreneurs Cecilia Robinson. And an official Information
Act response shows Mobrain message Luxen saying quote a pretty
disappointed team over at before sixteen after all the efforts
put into this project, funds raised and support gathered to
not be going out united So it seems like they

(22:22):
wanted to have a joint campaign and a joint launch
of that policy. That was not the case. Well, a
spokesperson for the Prime Minister says he is a great
supporter of keeping Kids Safe online, including the advocacy of
that group. But a bit of drama behind the scenes.

Speaker 2 (22:39):
Okay, there we go a bit of a glimpse into
the world of lobbying and things there as aara Hey,
it is Scrutiny Week. We've got two scrutiny weeks each year,
don't we in Parliament.

Speaker 8 (22:50):
I'm so excited. Yeah, we have two and this is
going to be so good. I mean, basically scrutiny week.
It's it's a chance for public sector agency and government
department bosses to face questions from MPs across the House.
It can be really interesting. It's also a chance to
go in depth into those really significant topics. Ministers also

(23:10):
can face scrutiny hearings. It's the same story. It could
be quite heated and also a bit more in depth
than the usual kind of back and forth of question time.
And one of the things that I will be keeping
an eye out on the agenda first tomorrow the Social
Investment Agency and you would have to think though there's
at least some of those questions would have to be
around Andrew Coster, who is the chief executive who's been

(23:34):
placed on leave, so that might be really interesting in
terms of the questions will probably face around Andrew Coster
rather than the agency. And it's spending like some other
places might do. There's also a lot of other significant topics.
Department of Corrections on tomorrow as well also Land Corp,
which may not sound that interesting. However, this has been

(23:56):
an asset that the act Party has been suggesting should
potentially be sold. Maybe that debate will kick off again
tomorrow as well, and that is always an interesting debate,
always a bit of a heated debate. But I'm really
looking forward to it. It's a cool thing that Parliament does,
and I mean it really highlights the importance of accountability
and transparency and yeah, it's just cool to go more

(24:19):
in depth into those big topics. So I'm really really
looking forward to it. As I've said multiple times, I.

Speaker 2 (24:25):
Love it, Assari. That's what we expect about political journalists.
I love it. Yeah, So lots to keep an eye
out for this week, as Azari is said, as they
there's a scrutiny of the government and how they're going.
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Speaker 1 (24:41):
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Speaker 2 (24:47):
Thank you very much for your texts. I'll get to
some of those shortly, but here's just a brief taste
of them. Franchise got out, but have a single word
that can spoke He thinks we're goldfish with no memory
of the damage here and labor did to New Zealand.
Thank you for your text. Never heard such political spin
coming from anyone before. Chippy must think when ni evil
naive to think he could be back next year despite

(25:07):
the current polls. He was in campaign mode, wasn't he.
He came out firing somebody else said, allowing Chris Hipkins
to tell lies about how great they are and how
terrible the government demeans the show. I don't think I
need to The text goes on to say he was
a fouled Ministry of Education and everything else, you know,

(25:27):
blah blah blah. I don't think I need to remind
you of this. I think we all remember. I think
we know that Hipkins has been the Minister of the
public service, Education, Health, the COVID response, I think the
police at one point. We're absolutely aware of all the
fingers that he's had in pies. You know that. So,
but thank you for the text. I'll get to some

(25:48):
more shortly.

Speaker 4 (25:49):
Right.

Speaker 2 (25:49):
A new era begins the TVNZ's six PM Bulletin tonight.
After almost twenty years in the six PM chair, Simon
Dllo read his last bulletin on Friday. His replacement starts
tonight with Melissa Stokes prompted to this promoted to the
six pm duties. Melissa is with us now.

Speaker 10 (26:04):
Good morning, Carol, Good morning. Thanks for having me.

Speaker 2 (26:07):
So tonight you start your new job. But you have
been the weekend reader for a while now. So does
going into work feel different tonight?

Speaker 11 (26:16):
Ah?

Speaker 10 (26:17):
I didn't think it would, but now I feel like
there's you know a lot of people have been, you know,
giving me good luck for tonight or break a leg,
and I suddenly have started maybe overthinking things a lot
of breath. Until now I was very much like, you know,
if business as usual, as you've said, I've done. You know,
I've been on the weekends for a week while I
fill in for Simon when he's been away. So it

(26:40):
is the same team that I'm going into the same desk,
the same log and the same password, the same news tonight.

Speaker 2 (26:47):
Is it a big shift for you professionally and personally?

Speaker 3 (26:51):
Uh?

Speaker 10 (26:52):
Professionally, yes, it is in both aspects because you know,
obviously it is stepping in and stepping in and up
and you know, I'd like to take and I think
I have been taking more of a step kind of
into the leadership I enjoy to talk about with the
bulletin and all that kind of thing, and personally it
will be a big change. I've got two boys, ones

(27:15):
about to be fourteen and one's about to be twelve,
and you know, I've really relished the time I've been
able to have with them after school and taking them
to sports and things like that. So I was thinking
the other day I need to find, you know, kind
of more easy dinner ideas and maybe some freezable kind
of recipes. Maybe your listeners can send me some that

(27:36):
you know that I can have ready for after, because
you know, finishing at seven every night is very different.

Speaker 2 (27:42):
Can I recommend Melissa Nagi the Australian. She's great cooks.
It's really simple, really easy. Get them in the freezer.
You'll be sorted and actually.

Speaker 10 (27:50):
Love speak your chicken love.

Speaker 12 (27:52):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (27:53):
Yes, and the kids could almost start making them for you,
I think so.

Speaker 10 (27:56):
So they've got us out maybe doing one night. That's
what I think too.

Speaker 2 (28:00):
Are you approaching this differently to the weekend role?

Speaker 10 (28:05):
No, I'm not. In short, I think yeah, it's just
very much business as usual. I don't yet anticipate my
presenting style to change. I'd like to be doing more reporting,
and I think I will start doing that. I already
do like a little series for Saturday nights that I
think we're going to keep going on, kind of talking

(28:25):
to the various newsmakers of Times gone By. I think
we kicked that off with Kitty to kind of work
a couple of years ago, and we're still doing that,
so I think i'd also, Yeah, i'd like to do
more reporting. I think that's on the cards. I'd like
to see us take you know, the show. I think
we might do try and get out in about a
bit more, but that's all still be discussed with my bosses.

Speaker 2 (28:48):
I like the way you're just making I like this,
you're making plans. It's good. What do you see as
the news reader's role, because it is quite different to
other presenting roles, isn't it.

Speaker 9 (28:59):
Yeah, it is.

Speaker 10 (29:00):
I mean, firstly, it's to get across the information and
as clear and as possible so everybody can understand it.
It's just to inform. It's to be there to bear
conduit I guess, between the stories, and kind of a
cohesive way to keep us all together. So yeah, I
mean a newsreader's job is very different. It's there to yeah,

(29:23):
just kind of. I then guide you through the bulletin
as best as possible.

Speaker 2 (29:27):
Between Linnair TV and the streaming. The numbers reach over
a million. Is that daunting? Do you ever think about that?

Speaker 10 (29:36):
No, I don't really think about that that often. I think,
you know, it's a real testament to our I mean
I do think about it, but not in a not
in a oh my goodness, that's you know, that's few people. Yeah, yeah,
but I mean it's a real testament to the work
that the why that one news team does. So yeah,

(29:57):
I hope everybody sticks with us.

Speaker 2 (30:00):
And look, it's an iconic role. There's been some huge
names who have have read the news at six Among
those forms readers, is there one that you particularly look
up to?

Speaker 10 (30:10):
Well, I started in the TVMs newsroom and moved up
to Auckland when Judy and Bailey and Richard Long was
still reading, So I guess they were the ones that
I were very impressionable on me when I first started,
and I grew up with them as a family watching
the news. And we're both very amazing and gentle people,

(30:34):
you know, mentoring people or talking to people in the newsroom.
I mean, the first day I saw Judy Bailey in
real life was you know, really quite a thing from me.
I remember bringing Mum to tell her. But I've worked
really closely with Simon and Wendy as well, and I've
also always been extremely generous with their time and things

(30:55):
like that. So I think those are the three or
the four that really have made an impact on my
work in the newsroom.

Speaker 2 (31:03):
Has Simon left you with any words of advice.

Speaker 10 (31:08):
Yeah, We've had a couple of really lovely checks about
the job, and he I think his parting words to
me on Friday, where you know that I've got a
he hopes that this would give me my confidence, because
I think I've often gone to a bit of the
self doubt. So no, he was very very lovely about
it and about the role, and obviously, my goodness, you know,

(31:30):
he did it for such a long time to such
a high level that that is quite daunting to think
about carrying on his amazing work. Simon is extremely you know,
he makes sure everything is correct, and you know, he's
quite a master of the craft. So following him is
you know, it is it is quite daunting.

Speaker 2 (31:48):
Well, Lissa you mentioned your two boys just before. Are
they proud of you and what you've achieved or do
they not really even registered what you do?

Speaker 10 (31:56):
Oh, they're two boys friends because they don't care. But
they are. I think in their own ways they are.
I think they're reaching that age when people, you know,
maybe like their eyes wide and maybe wee but when
they find out who their mum is. But you know,
I just I just carry on. I don't anticipate that
they will feel any real effects of it. They I

(32:20):
mentioned to somebody the other day that one of my friends,
one of my son's friends, said that they had googled me.
But I think that was just all for a laugh. Really,
so no, I think they don't really understand.

Speaker 2 (32:33):
Melissa, congratulations on the job. Just keep doing what you do.
You're going to be great.

Speaker 10 (32:38):
Oh, thank you so much in NAMAHINOI thanks for having me.

Speaker 2 (32:41):
That was Melissa Stuggs there, who starts her new job tonight.
Of course she's going to be reading the new six
PM Sunday through till Thursday. It is twelve to ten
used to accept.

Speaker 3 (32:51):
Me, the headlines and the hard questions.

Speaker 13 (32:54):
It's the mic asking, breakfast, manage, minesty, heaping pressure on
the retail banks, host reserve BANKSHWAK moved a pass on
those cuts and full will Are they Bruce Patten's loan
market mortgage Advisor.

Speaker 3 (33:03):
Have they No, not at all.

Speaker 14 (33:04):
They're holding for a really good man. We can see
that given they're paying one and a half percent cash.
If you've moved to them, I'd like to them part
them on the full criptlie.

Speaker 13 (33:12):
So if you're in the Nikola Willis camp that these
guys are not good actors and they're not playing their part,
this is evidence to suggest Nicola might be on to something.

Speaker 14 (33:20):
Is that absolutely break off for a client for three
years at four nine nine at twenty grand At the
moment you're now only getting four points even nine for
a three year. That tells me that they could be
doing three years of at least four and.

Speaker 3 (33:30):
A half back.

Speaker 13 (33:31):
Tomorrow at six am the Mike Hosking Breakfast with Baby's
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Speaker 1 (33:36):
Keep it Simple, It's Sunday the Sunday Session with Francesca
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Speaker 3 (33:42):
Best selection of graverys used talk Sedby Money Right for
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Speaker 2 (34:01):
This is Olivia Dean. I was I was talking about
who last Sunday, actually we touched on the fact that
she called out Ticketmaster for their vile resale prices for
her The Art of Loving tour, which is beginning next year,
and she said, this is ridiculous. You can't allow us
to happen via Ticketmaster. So they've actually announced that they
are going to, in response to her comments, cat future

(34:24):
resale rates with no added feeds, and they're going to
refund fans for any markup they've already paid to resellers
on Ticketmaster. So that's pretty interesting. I can't quite work
out whether though this is going to be a practice
they're kind of bottom place. They're going to, you know,
not allow it to happen full stop across the board
for all the concerts. But they've definitely worked hard to
get Olivia Dean back on back in favor there. Thanks

(34:48):
for the text. Someone's except people even still watch the news.
Myself forty eight years old, not at all. Well, I'm
kind of in your age bracket. It will take a
few years upwards. I haven't watched it myself for a
long time. Occasionally I do sit down and watch it,
and I quite enjoy it. But there are people that do.
There are generations of people who that is very much

(35:09):
the habit at the end of the night. As I mentioned,
it's close to a million views. Most of those are
on linear television, you know, the normal TV sit down
and watched the tally at six, and then of course
there's people who are watching it online. I was quite
surprised by that figure when I read it, but apparently
that's the figure. So there we go. So that's a
few Ah, what else have we got here? Chris Hopkins

(35:33):
never heard so much nonsense. A text reads if he
won the election, he'd take all the credit for the
coalition changes and growth in the economy. He needs a
reality check. That was from Richard and another one. Oh
my goodness, this country is so stupid to think that
labor is the ants a national inherited, an absolute disaster
after the ardourn government. It takes time to rectify these things. I,
for one, feel it is a far safer country. The

(35:53):
education system is vastly improved, and the money is not
being handed out to consultants and other pathetic bludgets. I,
for one, and so many other people I have heard from,
would think about leaving this country. Hipkins is delusional so
thank you very much for your text.

Speaker 9 (36:09):
Sere.

Speaker 2 (36:10):
As I said before, feel like the campaign is starting,
and it's very easy when you're in opposition, isn't it.
It's a lot easier. I do think though, I would
like to see the coalition pulling together for the next
year and really working on delivery and working really hard
to get everything into place, because, as the text says,
a lot of work has been done on education, a

(36:31):
lot has been done on health. Let's consolidate that, let's
get things moving forward, let's solve a few problems, let's
get rid of all the strikes, just keep moving forward.
I just hope the coalition doesn't get too worked up
and everybody else jumping on the kind of campaigning bandwagon,
and just focus on getting the job done, because if
they do that, that's what's going to impress and have

(36:54):
an impact on voters. Text anytime throughout the show. This morning,
ninety two, ninety two, it is six to.

Speaker 1 (37:01):
Ten the Sunday Session full show podcast on my Heart
Radio How My News Talk to MB.

Speaker 2 (37:09):
I'm very excited because coming up after the news is
the fabulous Russell Crow. He is going to join me
to talk about his new film Nuremberg. It is very
good in it. He plays him and Goring, who was
second in command to Hitler, and he is of course
put on trial at Nuremberg. And it is a story
of him and a psychiatrist, an army an American army

(37:32):
psychiatrist who is put in charge of actually looking after
all twenty two of the prisoners making sure that they
were stayed alive in order to make it to the trial.
And it's kind of their relationship and then it becomes
a bit of a courtroom drama. It really is fantastic
and I can't imagine anyone else playing this role. Russell
Crowe really does own it. So we're going to talk
about Nuremberg, We're going to talk about winning Oscars, We're

(37:53):
going to talk about music. This is him singing in
the indoor garden party. This is his band performing right now,
and of course we'll have a little bit of a
chat about his beloved Rabbitos as well. So Russell Crowe
is with me.

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Speaker 3 (39:02):
It's Sunday.

Speaker 9 (39:03):
You know what that means.

Speaker 1 (39:04):
It's the Sunday session with french yesca Rutkin and wiggles
for the best election of great Reeds, U stalk Sippy.

Speaker 2 (39:18):
Good to have you with us. It is seven past ten,
right key We born Hollywood star Russell Crowe has played
many intense roles in his career, but his latest might
be one of his most intense yet. Heading back to
World War II, Russell place Hitler's right hand man Herman
Goring in Nuremberg, the film focusing on the duel between
psychologist Douglas Kelly and Goring in the lead up to

(39:38):
the post war trial.

Speaker 3 (39:40):
I'm gonna put Herman Gerry on the stand and I'm
gonna make him tell the world what he did. Are
you going to defend yourself?

Speaker 9 (39:47):
What would you have me said?

Speaker 3 (39:48):
How about the truth?

Speaker 6 (39:49):
For one, I am a prisoner because you've done and
forel lost.

Speaker 13 (39:53):
Not because you are morally superior.

Speaker 3 (39:55):
I don't worry about this man than anyone else on
the planet. You're walking into a trap.

Speaker 2 (40:00):
He's absolutely fabulous in it, and I'm delighted to have
Russell Crowe with me. Good morning, good morning, touch tell
me you know I can't speak any more Italian than that.
Your statis get.

Speaker 6 (40:13):
On the plane and next time you have a holiday
and you should go to Italy and you should glory
in your name.

Speaker 2 (40:20):
Oh look, you can imagine what it was like being
called Francesca in the seventies in New Zealand, Russell, everyone
got to France and then just stopped. But you know,
there we go. Now I want to talk about this
film of yours. What did you learn about the man
you played?

Speaker 6 (40:34):
Well, that's a gigantic question. So this interview is going
to be going for two weeks.

Speaker 9 (40:39):
Now.

Speaker 6 (40:41):
The point of the thing that you might not know
in this particular instance, you know, because what you're always
looking for as an actor when you're signing on to
do something, that there's going to be enough time for
you to prep properly. You know, traditional rehearsals are a
thing of the past. Production companies just won't pay for
that anymore. So you have to find those moments of

(41:03):
what I call quiet contemplation where you get to really
think through and learn about what you're doing. And I
signed on to do Nuremberg. In twenty nineteen, I was
doing the TV show The Loudest Voice in New York.
I was playing Roger Ailes when the script came and
I read it and I just responded to it straight away,
and I started, as I have a habit of doing,

(41:25):
I start making decisions very quickly, you know, about what
I'm going to do, what I'm going to look like,
how it's going to feel, you know, blah blah blah,
and thinking that we would be making the film within
six or seven months. But we didn't actually start shooting
the film until twenty twenty four, so I had five
years of that quiet contemplation. And there is a lot
to learn about home and because he was a massive

(41:45):
figure in history way before we in the West kind
of knew about him, you know, in ally countries, because
he was a genuine war hero from the First World War.
And it was fascinating for me to learn that. As
a child growing up in a castle, he was a

(42:06):
terrible student at school, bottom of the class, so as
a punishment he was sent to military school. But at
military school he became the valedictorian. He was first in
his class. Because now he was interested in something as
a hobby as a young man. In his late teens,
he was a mountain climber, and there are traverses in
the Austrian Alps where Hermann Goering was the first person
to do so. That's something very interesting to learn about

(42:28):
a man. If he will stand at the base of
the Austrian Alps and look up and say I'm going
to the top, you're dealing with a very formidable and
strong personality. He goes into the First War in the
infantry to start as an officer, coming straight out of
military college, and doesn't like that experience, gets wounded in
battle straight away, and while he's recovering, hatches a plan

(42:51):
to get himself into the air force, makes himself of
great use to the local era, inculcates himself into their
daily life, does not return to this job he's supposed
to be doing in the infantry, But as they begin
to lose pilots because he's been picking up that skill
as he goes very soon they put him in the
air and he finishes the First World War with twenty
two confirmed air to aar kills. That's three times a

(43:14):
fighting ace. So when you ask me a broad question
like what did you learn about the character. We can
talk for days. There's so much learned. I was actually
I was able to access the full transcript of what
happened in you, every single question and answer of an
eleven day cross examination. I was able to access the
German equivalent of Hansard, so I could read what he

(43:36):
would say in the German Parliament as the reich Marshal,
and how he would interact with the other people within
the Nazi Party. I found a sequence where he calls
Gebels a moron. Goebels had made some presentation about how
you distinguish somebody who is German who was not, and
he's in parliament. He goes, you're a moron. If we

(43:59):
follow what you're doing, we have to drag every creature
from the forest and cul Lems. It was like fascinating.
It's like, oh my god. You know, so you're reading
this thing and you're seeing his rise to power. You're
seeing how it connects politically, that his patriotic fervor, how
it's corrupted by that power because he has that you know,
military arrowhead of that as a desire.

Speaker 9 (44:22):
You know.

Speaker 6 (44:23):
So it's fascinating, man, fascinating man, And you know, I
tried to bring to the character some form of understanding
of why German people would respond to him that the
way that they did, because he's a charming man. You know,
he will he is available to you, he will listen

(44:43):
to you, he will advise you, he will be your friend.
And so it was really interesting to understand how much
charm can become a weapon of evil. So fascinating journey.

Speaker 2 (44:56):
For me, and you did that so beautifully, just to
show us many different sides to him and how complex
he was. Did you always imagine that you would speak German?
Your German is very good, your accent is very good.
In the story, when I believe you learned the language.

Speaker 6 (45:08):
For the film, I learned the language.

Speaker 2 (45:10):
I had to say, I'm not feeling so bad about
my Italian.

Speaker 6 (45:16):
Now you know that the German language kept growing. At
first we weren't going to do any and then it
sort of changed and we were going to do lots,
and then we sort of reached a balance.

Speaker 3 (45:29):
I had.

Speaker 6 (45:29):
Normally, on a set, you have like a dialect coach,
and on this particular occasion, I knew I needed somebody
who was a German speaker, and I wanted somebody who
would just talk directly to me.

Speaker 9 (45:43):
You know.

Speaker 6 (45:44):
Sometimes you get in a situation and people will kind
of be too kind, you know. But you know, when
I'm performing, you know, a valid direction to me is slower, faster.
You know, it's like whatever is practically required in the moment.
So I thought through things, and I have and a

(46:07):
person I met in the early two thousand she was
a media figure in Germany. But for the release of
Beautiful Mind and Mastering Commander and a few things, i'd
met her talk to become friends. Right, I hadn't talked
to her for a decade, you know, A call her
up out of the blue, say m because I knew
she was very smart, and I knew she would just
be straight with me and say that was bullshit. Do
it again? So I called, I said, any desire to

(46:31):
ever be a dialect coach on a feature film set?
And she took some time off her normal jobs and
stuff and came to Hungary and did that job for me.
And I know that she's done a very good job
on my behalf because I watched the movie with a
room full of German speakers in Zurich, and there are

(46:52):
some German asides that I do that an English audience
doesn't necessarily pick up because it's not subtitle or anything.
But the Germans laughed and I thank okay, cool, gotcha.

Speaker 2 (47:04):
It's a brilliant performance and there's a bit of Oscar
buzz around it. Do you think about that at all?
Does that kind of recognition meanly thing to you?

Speaker 6 (47:13):
You know what, when I was younger, I actually thought
it was the most important thing in the world. Now
I know because I've been around and around that sort
of situation a few times. It's a popularity contest and
I don't care for it. You know, I'll just get
about doing my job. You know, I live a lot

(47:35):
of the time, either in Sydney or in the Bush,
and I go overseas and I work. Sometimes I go
to Los Angeles, but less and less as the year's
gone by. There was one period of time I didn't
go for about five years. So yeah, Look, you know,
I work in the film industry, in the film business.
But you know, I don't require other people's judgment to

(47:59):
tell me whether I'm not, you know, putting effort in
a given workday, because I know what I did.

Speaker 2 (48:05):
Do you write your own performances? Do you have performances
that you're particularly proud of, for.

Speaker 6 (48:11):
Sure, but it's usually wrapped around It's not just about me,
it's like what was the experience, Like what was the collaboration,
like how connected with the cast? And those are the
films that are memorable to me, and quite often from
performance point of view, it's the ones that were essentially ignored.

Speaker 9 (48:32):
You know.

Speaker 6 (48:32):
One of my favorite performances, for example, is as James J.
Braddock and Cinderellaman. I couldn't do any more than I
put into that, and that wasn't even that wasn't nominated,
So you know, what's the what's the point of the ship.
And there's another film called Broken City, which is a
Mark Wahlberg film, and I play the mayor of New
York and that guy is an absolute reptile and such

(48:56):
a political weasel.

Speaker 9 (48:57):
You know.

Speaker 6 (48:58):
That's you know, There's there's a whole bunch of a
movie called Fathers and Daughters totally got ignored, me and
Amanda Seyfried with Italian director Gabrielle Muchino. It's a beautiful movie,
you know that. So you know, I've done sixty plus
seventy movies. I'm not sure anymore, but here's the bottom line.
I love the job.

Speaker 12 (49:18):
You know.

Speaker 6 (49:18):
I did the job originally because I loved the job.
I loved the whole idea of, you know, taking on
a character and pretending it's something else. One of the
first things I did as a you know, in professional
theater was play Eddie and Doctor Scott and the Rocky
Horror Tour in New Zealand, you know where, at the
age of twenty twenty one or something. Part of the show,
I'm coming back on the stage in a wheelchair as
a sixty five year old man, you know. That kind

(49:41):
of that stuff thrills me, you know, And it's always
been that way. So I didn't get into the job
because I thought it was pretty. I didn't get into
the job because I needed attention. I got into the
job because I want to entertain people, and that's my
basic core love and I still work from that perspective.

Speaker 2 (49:58):
Are you still singing?

Speaker 6 (50:00):
Yeah? Yeah, yeah. We've just released an album last year
called Pros and Cons. The new band is called Indoor
Garden Party. We're two years into, sorry, two albums into
our journey. Some of these relationships in this band go
back thirty years. But the new album pros and cons.
Like last year twenty twenty three, we toured Australia, but

(50:21):
at the end of the tour we then went and
we did some shows in Italy and then in the
Czech Republic, and then that created a bunch of interest
in Europe, so we went back. Last year we did
twenty nine shows. We played in the Colisseum, We played
in the ancient Ampitheatre in Pompeii. We played in the
Piazza del Popolo in Ascalippachenna. We played for twelve thousand
people in the Piazza del Campo in Siena. We played

(50:43):
at the Glastonbury Festival. We played at Las Deigal and Paris.
We played at the Gayety Theater in Dublin for a
huge audience, great night. Then where else did we go?
We played the Whiskey a Go Go in Los Angeles.

Speaker 12 (50:55):
You know.

Speaker 6 (50:56):
The tour finished in Tipotinas and Ormans. So twenty nine shows,
six countries, sixty five thousand kilometers. But this year we've
only got one show, such as like the heaviness of
day Job schedule. This year one show enmar Theater December
twentieth and Sydney. We've got a whole bunch of guests
like Troy Cassa Daily, Marsha Hines, this kid from America

(51:16):
called Break, who's like does these sort of bluesy pop songs.
He's fantastic. Lorena Riley is from Ireland. She's got a
voice like Bonnie Raich. She's amazing. And the show is
going to be opened by Daniel Spencer, my ex wife.

Speaker 3 (51:30):
So it's going to be a great night, a family affair.

Speaker 2 (51:32):
I love goodness, mate, I can't be You're incredibly busy
and I can't let you go without also just sort
of touching on the NRL, because of course you're a
part owner of your beloved Rabbito's what place does the
NRL have? What is it you love so much about
this game and this club?

Speaker 6 (51:51):
Well, the club connects to me as a kid, you know,
and it's not sort of overstated. You know, I like
a lot of sports, you know, I mean I grew
up in a cricketing family, for example, and you know,
as a New Zealand born person, I will one thousand
same claim connection to the all Blacks, you know, if
the question ever governs up. So, but what the club

(52:15):
meant to me as a kid was you know. They
were a champion club and my dad had a business
in South Sydney on Botany Road and every weekend when
it came around, the streets would be festing with red
and green streamers. So I thought everybody in the world
looped this club when I was a little boy, you know,
because my whole world was surrounded by those colors. So
when the club started to fail, and you have to

(52:36):
understand that this is a working man's club, and you know,
for a long long time was based in Redfern, which
is an area that has probably the largest urban population
of Aboriginals in Australia, you know, and the geographic area
of South Sydney is so diverse. It goes from some

(52:56):
of the most expensive real estate in the country to
government housing and beautiful beaches and the airport, you know.
So seeing that club fail year after year, I knew
because Australia is so focused on sport as you know,
just a part of enjoyment, but also as a motivation,

(53:18):
you know, and I knew that something had to change.
So I opened my big mouth, ended up spending a
lot of money at the time buying the club took
over seventy five percent ownership of it, but just started
operating the club on a very simple basis. You know,
we have one job to do. We win football games.
Therefore lift trophies.

Speaker 3 (53:38):
That's what we do.

Speaker 6 (53:39):
That's what South Sydney's about. And you know, we had
a bad, bad year last year. But if you look
at the success that the club's had in the eighteen
nineteen years that I've been in control compared to the
eighteen nineteen years of absolute failure beforehand, it's a very
big difference. When people ask me why I did it,
and you know, and I did say at the time,
you know, there will be a certain point of time

(54:00):
where I just sort of fade back a little bit,
and so I'm now in that place. I hardly ever
go to the football anymore. I just let the club operate.
But the club is now valued in excess of one
hundred million dollars, so it's you know, and that success
it's brought about a different mindset to the kids who
grew up in that area. You know, you think about it,

(54:21):
somebody's a ten year old when I buy the club,
they've seen year after year their team be beaten. Right
eight years later we lift the trophy. So that ten
year old is eighteen. They're going into university and they
have seen a pure example of something grab itself, buy
the bootstraps and pull itself up to achieve. So it's

(54:43):
not that I did this to make more footy players.
It was to make the kids in South Sydney that
I used to be one of, just to let their
ambitions have some air. So, you know, the success of
the football team because of the way Australia works. It
doesn't just lead to more football players. It leads to
more artists and songwriters and doctors and lawyers and people

(55:03):
who will go.

Speaker 17 (55:04):
I can do this, Russell Crowe.

Speaker 2 (55:07):
It has been an absolute delight to talk to you.
Thank you so much, and thank you so much for
the performance and the film. Really enjoyed it. And the
film that we were talking about is called Nuremberg. It
is in cinemas this Thursday, the fourth of December. Hey,
don't forget but to beware from the Black Seeds is
with me after eleven this morning as well. It is
twenty three past ten.

Speaker 3 (55:27):
Relax, it's still the weekend.

Speaker 1 (55:29):
It's a Sunday session with Francesca Rudkin and Whitkels for
the best selection of great reads, used talks that'd be.

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Speaker 3 (56:32):
The Sunday Session.

Speaker 2 (56:35):
God and so if we're playing Kate Bush running up
that Hill, that means that Stranger Thing Season five has
landed four episodes on Thursday, afternoon, Gonna be honest with you.
I kind of felt like the series had peaked around
season two, season three, and I was like, oh, yeah,

(56:59):
what's the first step. Kind of got drawn back in
for the second AEP and I'm gonna be honest with you.
I'm I'm I'm in. I'm onto this journey for the
final time. So it's out. If you're a fan and
you were wondering when it was out. It was released
Thursday on Netflix, Right Times Talk Entertainment Now and I'm
joined by Steve Newle, editor at Flex dot co dot
in z.

Speaker 3 (57:17):
Good morning, Good morning.

Speaker 2 (57:18):
Hang Another film which is out which is kind of
snuck up on me is Wake Up dead Man, which
is the new Knives Out movie. I really enjoyed Knives Out.

Speaker 18 (57:27):
Yeah, and it's a sequel. Glass Onion was also a
really good watch. This is Ryan Johnson's murder mystery homage
film series starring Daniel Craig as the Foghorn. Leghorn voiced
Benoir Blanc like chewing the scenery with an absurd Southern accent.
And this has snuck into cinemas. It's a Netflix film.

(57:49):
It's on Netflix from the twelfth of December, but as
with recent releases like Catherine Bigelow Is a House of Dynamite,
Train Dreams, Train Dreams, Gimma de Torros, Frankenstein, there is
an obviously an obligation to release in cinemas, but they
just haven't gone very wide with it or really done
a good job of telling people it is out. So
I enjoyed. I'm going to see this with a paying

(58:10):
audience the other night, and the films that really do
work better in a room, really humorizd, really strong performances,
and the sort of film as well that I think
really benefits from not having your phone in your lap,
not having a bunch of other distractions, because not only
is it a sort of detail heavy murder mystery, but

(58:32):
it's just full of little gags and little character moments
that really do deserve your full attention. The ensemble cast
of this one is excellent, so obviously you've got Daniel
Craig back, but leading the ensemble is a fantastic Josh
O'Connor playing a young priest who ends up dispatched to
a rural church and with a very small congregation as

(58:54):
a sort of bit of a punitive measure, and then
finds himself in the middle of a strange and unexplained
locked room death, which is kind of the staple of
TV murder mysteries. But Johnson has a lot of fun
with us here. I think the only fault with these
films for me is that don't come out frequently enough. Yeah,
but Ryan Johnson has been busy making two seasons of
poker Face, sadly now canceled. Actually, this show starring Natasha Leone,

(59:17):
but there's plenty out there, And as our writer on
Flick's observed, if you do like a locked room mystery,
you can always go back to Jonathan Creek fantastic British show,
absolutely full of them.

Speaker 2 (59:30):
And look, poker Face might be, you know, canceled, but hey,
All's Fair got a second season, so.

Speaker 18 (59:35):
Yeah, and look they were going for a third one,
but get and get this. They were going to swap
out in Natasha leon and replace her with Peter Dinklage
and allegedly maybe try and play the same character.

Speaker 2 (59:46):
Okay, right, let's move on, Hollywood, Go Hollywood. Hey, look,
we hear quite a lot from music journalists these days.
You know that we're not getting the concerts here in
New Zealand, everyone's going to Australia. They're not making it
over here. What's happening with our live scene? But I
don't know. If you take a look at what's been
sort of happening in Auckland over the last week or two,
it feels like the live scene is very much and

(01:00:06):
kicking in. There's plenty for people to enjoy.

Speaker 18 (01:00:08):
Yeah, something's going on right. As a music journalist Tony
Stamp observed on social media the other day, over the
past week, Metallica, Tool Doja, Cat, Coca Roca and more
have played in New Zealand, the country international acts never
come to anymore, according to certain pundits, and it can
add to that list. Peck Seas have just been here
operth Blood Incantation last night Ozzie's Rufus Desoul played a

(01:00:29):
sold that show to twenty five thousand people at the
outer Fields wester Springs, thousands of people who are along
k Road for the others Way Festival and just looking
ahead to some I mean, look, there's a lot of
issues you can go into. We can go into as
Eden Park just trying to feather their own nest by
the sort of lobby that's taking place publicly should we
be providing corporate welfare to big promoters, would be supporting

(01:00:49):
international multinationals that export the profits offshore? And should we
be preserving the pipeline for local artists to a scould
graduate to these big stages. Meeting topics fro another time,
Let's just say there's been a lot of stuff on
and in the next few months you can see Chapel, Rohan, Wetleg,
Geese and Benny among the way festival lineup. Lewis Capaldi's coming,
Lumineus are coming, David Burn's coming, Lab and Stan Walker

(01:01:12):
out onto it together, Pulp's coming, Iggy Pop and Joe
and Jed are coming, Lords Lord's playing. And then even
as summer ends, you've got Deftones and Interpol, Bone Thugs
and Harmony.

Speaker 2 (01:01:22):
It's time to stop having a complain, stop winging.

Speaker 18 (01:01:25):
I mean, Steve heaven forbid, I'd raise that suggestion in
this positive country of ours. But now look, I'll just say, look,
there's a ton of stuff on and at some point,
you know, the other thing I think that's worth considering
is is there a ceiling at some point for the
undisposable income that's actually here for people to go to
these big international tours all.

Speaker 3 (01:01:44):
Look.

Speaker 18 (01:01:45):
The main thing for me is i had a great
night out on k Road last night, and I'm looking
forward to a bunch of that stuff coming out. Can't
wait to see Poulp again. I can't recommend that highly enough.

Speaker 9 (01:01:55):
So yeah, let's let's get.

Speaker 18 (01:01:57):
Out and we'll see it at some shows.

Speaker 2 (01:01:58):
Love it. Thank you so much, Steve. Good to catch up.

Speaker 12 (01:02:01):
Right.

Speaker 2 (01:02:01):
For those of you with young adults teenagers, I've got
some potentially disappointing news for you. Signed to have worked
out you don't actually become an adult until you're thirty.
More on that. Next, it is twenty seven to eleven.

Speaker 1 (01:02:17):
It's the Sunday session with Francesca Rudkin on News.

Speaker 3 (01:02:21):
Talks at b.

Speaker 2 (01:02:23):
Joining me now with her science study of the week.
Doctor Michelde can say, good morning, Good morning. I don't
know whether to be slightly depressed about the study you've
brought in today or whether actually it just explains an.

Speaker 13 (01:02:36):
Auditing the lot.

Speaker 17 (01:02:37):
I think I thought this and I was like, oh,
I've learned a lot about my husband already.

Speaker 2 (01:02:43):
Yes, with a nineteen year old son, I was just
I was a little depressed about this news. It's a
study that's been taking a look at brain development, and
it's kind of worked out that we don't really become
real adults until our thirties. Tell me about it.

Speaker 17 (01:02:56):
Yeah, And anybody who owns probably a teenete or even
a son in their twenties goes, are they're not grown
up yet? No, they haven't according to science. No, their
brains are still adolescent until the thirties. So this is
a beautiful study. It's been published in Nature Communications, and
it has looked at four thousand MRA brain scans of

(01:03:17):
people age between newborn babies and ninety years old. And
they wanted to understand how do our brains change over
our lifetime and are there sort of eras that we
live in where our brains do different things, and do
they age in different ways? And if so, can we
categorize that?

Speaker 2 (01:03:34):
And they did.

Speaker 17 (01:03:35):
They found that we have sort of well they've called
five major epochs, which are sort of areas of our
brain where they're doing different things. And so let's see
where you sit depending on your age or depending on
the age of your children if you're questioning maybe their maturity.
So here we are a childhood lasts from when you
are born until nine years of age, and they basically
said that that's a really big period of learning and growth.

(01:03:59):
Your brain is definitely changing fast. Babies are born, they say,
with an overabundance of snapses, which are these any junctions
that allow our neurons or our brain cells to talk
to each other. And during childhood the brain begins this
sort of clean up operation to go which are the
important networks to keep on which ones do we just
brush away? And so this is why exposing your kids

(01:04:21):
at this age to everything keeps those pathways active and
so they don't get brushed away. But by the age
of nine and nine to thirty two, apparently as adolescents
in our brains is where our brains communication networks become
increasingly efficient, and so we refine these neural pathways. We

(01:04:41):
get the signals to travel faster between them, which means
we become very good at certain tasks that we sort
of do repetitively, and this supports dramatic growth in reasoning
and planning, in emotional regulation and social complexity, which we
associate with becoming an adult. However, this time of tremendous
learning and adaptation also leads to instability because the brain

(01:05:03):
is still actively shaping itself. The conversation here around some
mental health or mental fitness challenges because our brain is
still just figuring it.

Speaker 2 (01:05:11):
Out of cope. I think most of us were under
the impression that the probably got was completely wrong generalization
the male brain wasn't fully formed until you're med twenties. Yeah,
you know, so, I think we all knew that. I'm
a little bit taken back that this actually is. It
doesn't matter whether you're a male or a female. No,
it's thirty two. That's a little longer than I Yeah, have.

Speaker 17 (01:05:34):
A teenage brain, which means we are more at risk
from mental health challenges, from dealing with stress, and we
are still trying to figure out what we're good at
and how to put those pathways down. So, yeah, if
you do have a child in their twenties and they
seem like they're struggling, it's okay. Their brain is still
learning like they were when they were nine, which was
surprising this study, but great. Then basically adulthood between thirty

(01:05:57):
two and sixty six. Look, it's where we've reached our
most stable architecture in our brain. It's where we figured
out what we're good at. And what we're doing. A
couple of things are happening behind the scenes, which is
just sort of become more specialized and internected. But this
is where our brain is the most stable. Okay, early aging, sorry, team,
but this starts at sixty six and last where eighty three,

(01:06:19):
and this is where our brain starts to reorganize. So
we start to decrease the amount of white matter we
have in our brain, which means our brain is so
sort itself out. What are we keeping, what are we
getting rid of? So this this means you're more vulnerable
to health mental health conditions again, so just be aware.
And then late aging eighty three and above, this is
where we get really good at what we do really well,

(01:06:42):
but we don't like change, so we get used to
well practiced skills, memories, routines. But you may have met
an older adult who doesn't want to do anything new.
That's because the part of the brain that used to
do that it is not working anymore. The synapses aren't
going to that part anymore. So don't stress them out.
Just try and keep them doing the things they do
and they'll be really happy. And so yeah, basically the
said he said, we've got five parts of our brain

(01:07:02):
now five aging conditions and the adlessent one is probably
longer though fascinating.

Speaker 2 (01:07:08):
Thank you so much, Michelle.

Speaker 1 (01:07:09):
We'll talk next week the Sunday Session Full Show podcast
on iHeartRadio powered by News Talks IB.

Speaker 2 (01:07:17):
You're most welcome to text anytime. Throughout the show ninety
two ninety two, someone takes to say, I'm the same
about stranger things, but after well, I was the same
about stranger things, you know, kind of a bit over it.
But after the first four episodes of season five, I'm
hooked again.

Speaker 3 (01:07:31):
Yeah, I know it.

Speaker 2 (01:07:32):
It's got its hooks and good on right. Joining us
now is Mike vander Alison.

Speaker 3 (01:07:37):
Good morning, Good morning.

Speaker 9 (01:07:39):
Right.

Speaker 2 (01:07:39):
Over the next few weeks, you are very kindly going
to give us some Christmas menu inspiration, and today we're
going to start with the old platters and snacks. And
who doesn't like a platter and a snack?

Speaker 19 (01:07:51):
Well that the great thing about a platter or a
snack is it kind of takes a pressure off when
you're actually having to when you're having to serve a
massive amounts of deal because you just put out a
platter and go there you go, people eat that while
I get everything else ready.

Speaker 2 (01:08:06):
Yes, it's a nice way to say, if you entertain
your sales and stay away from me while I just
focus on what I'm doing here in the kitchen.

Speaker 16 (01:08:13):
I thought for the next couple of weeks or four weeks.
Crazy though, isn't it four weeks to Christmas? So I
thought I'd go to the other side of Aukland yesterday
to buy something. And I got halfway and I turned
around and came home.

Speaker 3 (01:08:23):
It's crazy.

Speaker 2 (01:08:24):
It's just too busy.

Speaker 16 (01:08:26):
It's just too busy. It's just that time of the year.
So I thought i'd take the stress out of the
actual food side of things over the next four weeks.
So you know, today, I'll just run through platters and snacks.
Next week kind of small plates and salad salads are
really important, and then the week after main events, and
then we'll finish on sweet things.

Speaker 2 (01:08:43):
I love it, Okay, So we've actually going to have
got three recipes that we're going to put up on
our website. Today we're going to run through one of them.
But first of all, what do you think, What do
you think makes a good platter?

Speaker 16 (01:08:54):
I think a little bit of variety, but also four yeah,
it's easy for me to say, I'm a chef, but
a platter is not go to the supermarket, buy every
think little containers, open them all up and put them
onto a big ditch.

Speaker 2 (01:09:06):
Oh, isn't it.

Speaker 9 (01:09:08):
No, it is not. It is.

Speaker 16 (01:09:09):
Think of a few things that you can make really
easily yourself, and it doesn't There doesn't need to be
sixteen thousand things on a platter. It could just be
something as simple as what we suggested today, roasted beetroot homas.
It might be some yogurt flatbreads, and it might be
some pickled cucumbs or pickled veggies, and maybe one or
two cheeses.

Speaker 2 (01:09:28):
Dono, tick, okay, excellent, what do you put?

Speaker 9 (01:09:35):
Well?

Speaker 2 (01:09:35):
Actually, the roasted bee trout to homas is really good
for vegetarians because sometimes I find that that can throw
things a little bit.

Speaker 16 (01:09:41):
Yeah, and homis and people are like, oh, homos is
so boring, But horce is delicious, and it is so
much different when you make it yourself. I find that
the homice that you buy has to have so much
citric acid in it, which is the preservative that keeps
it for a long period of time. So you take
that citric acid out and homice. And when you make

(01:10:02):
it yourself, obviously you don't need to put it in there.
It takes a whole new flavor in itself. It's sweeter,
it's more luxurious, it's richer. So there's hommus and then
there's your own homemade hormas.

Speaker 2 (01:10:15):
Okay, take us through the roasted beetroot and cumin hommus.

Speaker 16 (01:10:19):
So take I've got two whole beetroots, so wrap them
up in ten four. Just before you put the final
wrap into it, just put a limit of oil, a
little bit of salt. Fire them into the oven one
hundred and eighty degrees. They're going to take about forty
minutes in the oven. And what you're looking for is
like a jacket potato. When you open up that tin four,
your knife clearly goes through it nice and easily. Once
they've cooked, set them aside, let them cool down. And

(01:10:41):
then I've soaked two chickpeas, or two cups of chickpeas,
two chickpeas. That would make a lot with it, two
cups of chickpeas overnight, and then the next day, fire
them into a pot, a pinch of salt, a pinch
of baking powder. What the paking powder does when the
chickpeas are cooking, is it actually softens the chickpeas right up.
Cook them until they're just tender. Whilst they're still warm,

(01:11:01):
chuck them into a food process and blitz them along
with I've got two tables spoons of tahini paste and
a teaspoon of cerman.

Speaker 3 (01:11:10):
Or curry powder.

Speaker 16 (01:11:11):
That's the spice element. Add that and give it a blitch.
You might want to add maybe a tablespoon of oil
as it's blitzing, and that just because a nice smooth
texture and kind of silky rich, sort of bright color
and touch the salt in the way you go. That's
a city in my ute, and it's really raining.

Speaker 2 (01:11:34):
I was just listening to the lovely rain on the
roof a little bit distraction. How really quickly the chickpeas?
Can you use a couple of tins?

Speaker 9 (01:11:44):
Yeah?

Speaker 16 (01:11:44):
Absolutely, just get I get the chickpeas in spring water, yep,
versus the chickpeas that are in that real sort of
heavy salty slud. So you don't have to those, you
don't need to take them, just drain them. But when
you drain them, actually keep a little bit of what
you've drained the liquid that you've drained out of them,
because when you're blitzing your chickpeas, you may need to
add a little bit of that liquid back and just
to loosen your hollmess up. So don't throw that liquid away, Okay.

Speaker 2 (01:12:07):
Brilliant, And then you just need some flatbreads with it
or something really simple and you're good to go.

Speaker 9 (01:12:13):
And that's it.

Speaker 16 (01:12:14):
And my perfect platter would be delicious hormus like that
beech at Homas, some pickled vegies where you might have
some spice in it, spices always nice, chucking a few
fresh chilies, and then some yogurt flatbreads that you've just
fired into the oven nice and coruickly pulled them out,
a little bit of corry in the butter, and then
serve those three things together and it's it's great. It's fresh,
it's vibrant, you've got the crunch of the cucumber, and

(01:12:35):
it's good to go. And it's really starting to rain now.

Speaker 2 (01:12:40):
I was just thinking, I think it's the Santa Parade
looked on today too, So let's hope that's passing us by. Mike.
Thank you very much. Take care out there. We're going
to put those three recipes up on our website Newstalk
zb dot co dot mz Ford slash Sunday. So we've
got the chili pickled vegetables, the roast beet truit and
cuman hummus and the yogurt flatbreads with coriander butter for you.

(01:13:00):
There we go, right. Have you heard of sleep maxing?
It is a social media trend. Aaron's done some sit
on it to see if it really will improve our house.
So we're going to be talking sleep maxing or probably
explaining what sleep maxing is to you. Next you're a
News Talks EPP.

Speaker 3 (01:13:17):
There's no better way to start your Sunday.

Speaker 1 (01:13:20):
It's the Sunday Session with Francesca Rudkin and Wiggles for
the best selection of great reeds.

Speaker 3 (01:13:26):
US Talks Evy.

Speaker 2 (01:13:29):
Wellness Time eron I harr good morning, good morning. Okay,
sleep maxing what is it?

Speaker 11 (01:13:34):
Yeah?

Speaker 7 (01:13:34):
Sleepmaxing is a social media wellness trend that's been going
through probably this year, has been really trending a little
bit like the fiber maxing of something that there's always
the latest, greatest fad thing that's out there, and sleep
maxing is one of them which has got a really interesting.

Speaker 2 (01:13:52):
Like two sides of it.

Speaker 7 (01:13:53):
There's the basic sleep hygiene i'd call it, which is
going to be helpful for anyone, and then there's the oh,
should we really be doing those extra tips and really
really round marketing like selling stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:14:07):
Is that you're talking about the things like taping your
mouth and stuff like that.

Speaker 15 (01:14:10):
Absolutely, that is.

Speaker 7 (01:14:11):
One I would query whether it's a bit of a
fad bit of a mixed research also if you do
have sleep at there, But concerning if you are taping
your mouth, if you could cause more problems than good,
and I think that's one thing to be cautious around,
especially the mouth taking is one.

Speaker 2 (01:14:26):
I would be a little bit more cautious.

Speaker 7 (01:14:28):
Yes, it might help you stop snoring and maybe a
partner'll be really happy about that, but is it going
to be that great for you? Questionable? And I think
that's where some of these new trends are a little
bit more in the need more research phase. And some
of the other ones that I kind of query would
be there was a small study down on eating Kiwi
fruits before going a bit, but you know that showed

(01:14:52):
that it can improve your sleep. Whether you try that
or not. If you're not a good sleeper, maybe a
good one to give it a little will. Also, the
weighted blankets is a real big trending one for at
the moment, and there's actually no convincing evidence on this
and with it it can be helpful for sleep. But
if it helps you sleep, maybe.

Speaker 2 (01:15:11):
Do you I don't know if you know this. Somebody
listening might be able to tell me. Do they make
you hot? Though? Because I would imagine you started to
get very muggy at night the temperatures are still quite high,
and they somehow design that you've got the weight but
not the heat.

Speaker 7 (01:15:23):
I find most like I've had a few menopausal women
use it in the clinic and they find them amazing.
So there's some people find them incredible. And if you
find it incredible and it helps you get a good
night's sleep, then go for it. It's not got any respectors,
so it's one that you know may or may not
be helpful. But I think when it comes to sleep,

(01:15:44):
really sticking to the basic sleep hygiene and you can't
really go past you know, having a dark room, you know,
cool room, cutting back on your caffeine in the afternoon,
you know, be in mindful how much hydration you have
going into beds so you're not over hydrating and having
to get up for five times in the night to
go to the toilet. Also increasing your level of physical

(01:16:05):
activities tired at night and having a shower of bath,
you know, one hour before going to bed. So the
basics of things that you do for preparing for bed,
and I think you can't really go past that. That's
always going to improve for sleep quality and you don't
really need to spend a lot of money to do
those basic techniques. I think we're great with little kids.
Little kids always have a sleep routine, whether it's a

(01:16:27):
special book or a special sleep blanket that kind of
sets them in the routine for sleep. So as an adult, think,
if you're not a good sleeper, start with the basics
and see if that helps you get some good night's sleep.

Speaker 2 (01:16:38):
Brilliant, Thank you so much. Erin It is five to.

Speaker 1 (01:16:41):
Eleven the Sunday Session Full Show podcast on iHeartRadio, powered
by News Talks at be.

Speaker 9 (01:16:51):
Right.

Speaker 2 (01:16:52):
These days, the Symphony Festival is absolutely huge and come
March the Black Seeds are going to be playing it
for the first time. So do they know what they're
in for and how much fun will it be to
perform with an orchestra. Will bard be Weird, lead singer
of the Black Seeds is with me after the news.
We're going to finish the air with a little bit
of the Black Seeds. This is cool me Down. Thanks so.

Speaker 3 (01:17:17):
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Speaker 20 (01:17:20):
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Speaker 15 (01:17:32):
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Speaker 20 (01:17:38):
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cool down, cool me down, cool me down.

Speaker 3 (01:17:54):
Cool cool cooling down, cooling.

Speaker 21 (01:17:57):
Down, cool down.

Speaker 1 (01:18:00):
Into the Sunday Session with Francesca Rutkin and Wiggles for
the best selection of great bat.

Speaker 2 (01:18:17):
You're with a Sunday Session. I'm Francesca. Good to have
you with us coming up this hour. If you want
to make the most of Wickle's Black Friday sales weekend well,
Joan has an excellent list of books that you might
leave although they might make great Christmas presents. Meghan has
some Black Friday travel deals and of course.

Speaker 3 (01:18:33):
Piney on Sport for Sunday Session.

Speaker 9 (01:18:39):
Walking with.

Speaker 2 (01:18:45):
Compass some Black Seeds to start the hour. This is
their latest single, Compassion. The band has a huge summer
coming up with many festivals and it culminates with the
hugely popular Symphony Festival at the end of March. Symphony

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has already taken off over the last few years, the
twenty twenty five festivals selling out with forty thousand people attending.
Twenty twenty six will be the first symphony festival for
the Black Seeds, and frontman Barnaby Weird joins me. Now,
how are you, Barnaby?

Speaker 9 (01:19:19):
Yeah, good morning, Francisca. Great to be with you. I'm good.

Speaker 6 (01:19:22):
Thanks.

Speaker 2 (01:19:22):
So this is your first time performing at symphony have
you Have you attended one?

Speaker 9 (01:19:26):
Do you know what you're in for? I haven't, look,
I haven't attended one. It's pretty exciting.

Speaker 14 (01:19:31):
You know.

Speaker 21 (01:19:31):
I'm described as the best kind of covers band in
the world. But you know what, what an amazing trajectory
for symphony over there last what five years or something
like that, even internationally. So really great to be invited
and we were just stoked to be invited to the
next year's lineup.

Speaker 2 (01:19:50):
So someone hasn't heard of synthony. They kind of take
dance anthems, don't they. They reimagine these songs with an orchestra.
Why do you think this formula has taken off why
it's so hugely popular.

Speaker 9 (01:20:03):
Yeah, really interesting. You know.

Speaker 21 (01:20:04):
I think adding a fani too the symphony is such
a great idea because people love that that live, that live,
huge orchestra. They're playing these club classics, like not just
dance music, but actually club classics is what we're talking.

Speaker 9 (01:20:20):
About here, you know. And and so so that's quite
a huge kind of area of music that you could that.

Speaker 21 (01:20:25):
You may be aware of or you may not be,
but but they're all bangers basically, and so you know,
having that that huge crew on stage with the orchestra,
I think that's quite a powerful and exciting kind of
live thing to see.

Speaker 2 (01:20:39):
We have over the years seen a lot of artists
or bands team up with an orchestra and perform. Have
you ever done that before?

Speaker 21 (01:20:47):
Yeah, I've been a little bit tinted of myself personally
around around the idea. I mean, I'm not I mean,
playing with the NS this would be amazing because they're
you know, they're like the elite of the orchestral you know, talent.

Speaker 9 (01:20:58):
But you know it does it always translate? I'm not sure?

Speaker 21 (01:21:02):
But have people done it well in the past, Yes,
So I don't know, I mean, you know, watch the space.
But it's not something I'm like leaping to do for
the Black Seeds.

Speaker 9 (01:21:11):
We're a current band. We don't need to do that
right now. We've just released a new single and we've
got new new.

Speaker 3 (01:21:15):
Music to make.

Speaker 9 (01:21:17):
Is just our band, So but yeah, is it a
good idea most of the time? Definitely?

Speaker 2 (01:21:21):
So what made you jump on board for next year's.

Speaker 21 (01:21:23):
Festival, to be honest, just to get an invite to
such a huge, awesome gig which has already proven and
has a huge, you know, clientele, huge audience is really
great for us, and we kind of I guess we're
kind of invited because you know, we've been around for
a while, we have the appeal for perhaps earlier on,

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and you know, you've got the exponents too, so I
guess they're just mixing up the lineup with some classic
bands and you're just so stoked and you know, so
pleased to be invited on in the first place.

Speaker 2 (01:21:53):
You guys have kind of been the sound of Kiwi
Summers for decades now, remy, haven't you you kind of
along there?

Speaker 9 (01:22:00):
Well?

Speaker 21 (01:22:01):
I mean, yeah, that alignment with Summer will take there.
It's just a beautiful thing when people are starting to
relax and be on holiday and things like that. You know,
obviously the sunshine is a positive thing for us all.
So yeah, without music associated with that, that's a good thing.

Speaker 2 (01:22:15):
But aby how different is it preparing for a festival
like this that it might be for another gig.

Speaker 9 (01:22:21):
Yeah, well it's it's massive firstly, so that that pressures on.

Speaker 21 (01:22:25):
I think that as long as you just as long
as we just you know, we're organized, we know what
we're playing, and we know when we're playing obviously, and
we we're relaxed, that's that's the best preparation, just to
do what you do well. But yeah, it's a big,
big crowd. So the nerves, the nerves, but you know,
you just want to you just want to play well
and just do what you do well and then be
part of To be part of it is really the gift,

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you know, to be part of the whole whole experience
is such a gift. So you know we're just a
piece and the puzzle of that.

Speaker 2 (01:22:53):
Yeah, but nerves have got to be a good thing
that day. I mean, would you get concerned if you
wanted out one day and went, I feel nothing, let's
just do another gig?

Speaker 21 (01:23:02):
No, that's right, that doesn't really happen. Yeah, every gig
is small or bigger. There's always even doing like small
solo things by myself, you know, or you know, weddings
or small gigs.

Speaker 9 (01:23:13):
That's almost more new breaking. You don't have the crew behind.

Speaker 3 (01:23:16):
You and you're you're out there.

Speaker 9 (01:23:19):
You've got to be good for.

Speaker 21 (01:23:20):
Forty five minutes or whatever it is. And yeah, you
just you just got to do your best. But you know,
the songs do do the thing. You know, it's all
about the songs. It's all about the songs and the
singing and the and the stories. Really that that's what
tells you know, that's what entertained. So I just got
to entertain and get on with it.

Speaker 9 (01:23:36):
You know.

Speaker 2 (01:23:36):
Can you let us in on what we might expect
from the Black Seeds at Symphony or is that all hush.

Speaker 1 (01:23:41):
Well the moment.

Speaker 21 (01:23:42):
No, no, it's not all hush hush. It'll be a powerful,
energized shit. I'll tell you, Friendchise Scat, I love us.

Speaker 9 (01:23:47):
Powerful and energize. You know, it's an eight piece band.
We play everything. There's no samples or loops with us.

Speaker 21 (01:23:53):
You're going to hear some familiar songs and We're just
going to be really stoked and happy to play on
that stage and such a really big, really big line up,
so you know, we'll be happy to be there and
we'll just be bringing our a game.

Speaker 2 (01:24:07):
Talking about you know, we're just talking about summer and
the festival scene and things. Is it an enjoyable way
to spend your summer. Do you enjoy the sort of
summer festival scene and and touring at this time of
the year.

Speaker 9 (01:24:18):
Oh, yeah, yeah, definitely.

Speaker 21 (01:24:19):
You get to see different parts of the country and
different generations, I guess, in different situations, you know, where
events might be a food and wine festival or it
might be a like a you know, a three three
day weekend kind of festival, camping festival. Lots of different
kind of yeah, situations, And yeah, we definitely enjoy it,

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and you know, you know that you're fully employed for
that time and also just gives me, you know, it
gives me a lot of energy, you know, to bring back.

Speaker 9 (01:24:50):
Home and to feel good about what you're doing.

Speaker 21 (01:24:53):
And you enjoy your summer with lots of music because
that's you know, it's the sharing of the music and
the entertaining of of the people of the people Francisca.

Speaker 9 (01:25:02):
That's why Russell does it. That's why we do it.

Speaker 4 (01:25:04):
You know, I love it.

Speaker 2 (01:25:06):
Look, we've both alluded to the fact that you guys
have been around for a while. Nineteen ninety eight you
first formed. Did you see yourself still playing summer gigs
all these years later when you began.

Speaker 9 (01:25:18):
Well, I didn't.

Speaker 21 (01:25:19):
We didn't, actually not, not with necessarily, the black Sedge
is something that's still so strong.

Speaker 9 (01:25:24):
You know.

Speaker 21 (01:25:24):
Our team is really strong, and the guys that are
in the band now have been in the band for many,
many years now. Still even though we've changed lineups, because
you would do that with a massive lineup. You can't
just have everyone to yourself the whole time, you know,
I think making new music with the guys is really
important to just keep us relevant to ourselves, you know.
That's what And the friendships and the you know, the

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camaraderie through thick and thin and I guess ups and
downs keeps you strong too. But it's the fact that
people into our music and have great memories around our music,
and to make future memories, you know, that's why we
do it. So to have new music keeps the band
kind of more rather than just just playing older songs

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all the time, but I do respect the older songs
in people's attachment, you know, to them, you know. So, yeah,
we're so lucky.

Speaker 9 (01:26:15):
It's so awesome.

Speaker 2 (01:26:17):
The music industry and music in general has seen so
much change that in this time that you know, since
since you began, have you had to change much to
survive or the way you do things?

Speaker 21 (01:26:28):
Yeah, I guess like technology has changed heaps with music
sharing and in different formats. You know, what hasn't changed
is that humans still really want to hear stories and
riffs that make them feel good or or sad or
or happy or whatever it is. And I think that's
the key here when we're looking at kind of the

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future of art and AI and those kind of things,
that it's really the human stories and the emotions, you.

Speaker 4 (01:26:57):
Know, and the messages.

Speaker 9 (01:26:58):
And it can just be fun as well. You can
just have like a fun party track as fine too.
But that's what we're sharing here.

Speaker 21 (01:27:04):
And so although yeah, formats have changed, technology has changed.
We've got older, obviously, but that's still a priority for
us to like get to express ourselves in that way
and hopefully other people, you know, acknowledge there or can
be part of that too, and that's that's where the
satisfaction comes from.

Speaker 2 (01:27:22):
You know, you've got new music coming from the Black Seeds,
but you've also released a new album this year as
a duo called Trips. Tell me about that, all right?

Speaker 9 (01:27:31):
Oh wow, oh good, good detective work with Francisca.

Speaker 21 (01:27:35):
Yeah, so Trips as Andrew Christjansen has played trumpet for
the Black Seeds for a number of years, around two
thousand and eight to twenty twelve or something like that,
and then later on we you know, Reunited really is
just music lovers, and Trips is really.

Speaker 9 (01:27:53):
His project that I've helped him with. It's kind of
rock and roll. It's kind of a.

Speaker 21 (01:28:00):
Not a compilation of different genres, but a collaboration sorry,
of different musos playing to that. And so yeah, please
check out Trips. There's some good stuff there. We even
did a cover of I'm on Fire by Bruce Prinstein.
We actually wrote this, We wrote the instrumental and then
I said, lot, actually I could sing I'm on Fire

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over this, and so we just thought let's do it.

Speaker 3 (01:28:25):
You know.

Speaker 21 (01:28:25):
So you know, it's collaboration with different artists and different vocalists,
and yeah, I mean you're probably one of a few fans,
So thanks very much for cheating that out or even
mentioning it.

Speaker 2 (01:28:36):
But also, you know, you've got Fly my Pretties on
the Guy as well. They've had a new song out
this year, You've got there's lots of fingers in piees.
Part of it is that is it difficult to balance
and do you do it? Because they all provide a
different outlet for you. Now you to do all the
different things you're interested in.

Speaker 9 (01:28:53):
Yeah, that's right.

Speaker 21 (01:28:55):
You know music, you don't you're not just just into
heavy metal or just into rock and roll or justin
to hip hop.

Speaker 9 (01:29:01):
You know, you usually like a few things. You know,
you're allowed a few secret secret you know, so that
you love. Yeah, that's right. And it's about diversifying.

Speaker 21 (01:29:10):
And I get a lot of joy out of that
collaboration and playing other people songs too, and being part
of a team that's different. So Fly My Pride as
we had an album released within the year called Elemental.

Speaker 9 (01:29:25):
It's really good. Check it out if you want.

Speaker 21 (01:29:28):
And so, yeah, you just got to keep mixing it
up and finding new ways of expressing yourself, I think.
And so you know, like a farm writing like a
kind of a rock song or a folks on it's
not going to go really with the black seed delivery.
So you know, you need to invent other ways of
expressing yourself. And yeah, that's fun. That's a fun part
of music.

Speaker 2 (01:29:48):
You manage a lot of musicians and a lot of bands,
part of which I'm I'm very impressed about, and I
imagine it's quite time consuming. I spoke to Brett McKenzie
earlier in the year and he was talking about his
album and he got a whole lot of artists together
and then realized he was spending his entire time just
actually managing musicians and getting them to where they needed
to be at the right time, the right place.

Speaker 9 (01:30:07):
Yeah, we've had, well, we've had managers that are really.

Speaker 21 (01:30:09):
Good at their job and they look after and connect
the dots and really make it all happen, and they,
you know, they have faith in you to have the
vision and then do what you mean to be doing,
which is the musical directing.

Speaker 9 (01:30:20):
I do the musical managing, but not not the business managing.

Speaker 21 (01:30:23):
You know, but you have to have someone that's keen
to put on the hours and have faith and sometimes
work for no money and sometimes work for money, you know,
and because they see the vision.

Speaker 9 (01:30:34):
So that's yeah, very lucky in that way.

Speaker 2 (01:30:36):
But it'll be always good to catch up. Thank you
so much for your time this morning. Very much looking
forward to the powerful and energized performance from the Black
Seeds at Manuca Fuel's Symphony Festival. It has taken place
on March the twenty first next year at Auckland's domain.
You can get tickets from Symphony dot com. It is

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nineteen past eleven you with newstalksp Great Recover.

Speaker 1 (01:31:00):
It's the Sunday session with Francesca Rudgott and Wigkles for
the best Selection of Grapes Used talks.

Speaker 2 (01:31:07):
And it is time for the panel. And joining me
today we have broadcaster and journalist Wilhelmina Shrimpton. Hi, Wilhelmina,
good morning. And we have co day hosts Lorna Riley. Hi,
Lorna Kyota. Good to have you both with me. Hey,
we started off the show this morning Bay talking to
Chris Hipkins. Of course, Labor Party is having its annual
conference and all they're all very excited about the polls

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and feeling very buoyed about the election next year. And
I'll tell you what Chris Hopkins was very much an
election mode this morning. He was looking forward. He's talking
about the changes they're going to make and how they're
can convince us all the New Zealand public that they
deserve to win the next election. Willemina, what do you
think Labour need to do and proved the New Zealand

(01:31:52):
public that they're capable of running the country. It's very
easy to be in opposition in campaigning, isn't it, but
actually really convincing us.

Speaker 15 (01:31:59):
Yeah, one hundred percent.

Speaker 22 (01:32:00):
I'm not surprised that Sheffey was extra chepper because when
the numbers are in your favor, of course that's going
to give you that extra morale boost. The thing is
is we're so early on right, we're not even in
twenty twenty six. Yet we're not even an election year,
and I know that a week can feel like a
year in political terms, so I think there's a lot
that needs to be done. Obviously, they had their first
major policy announcement around the ENZI Future Fund, which I

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know is some people were very excited about, but also
it probably didn't really appeal. I think on mass in
terms of what the issues are at the heart of
what everyone's concerned about, which, of course is you know,
cost of living, economy, that type of thing. So there's
also capital gains tax too. What I think is problematic
here as well when we look at the polls, right,
is that Labour's popularity seems to be growing based on

(01:32:43):
I think Hwei's disappointment over National and its track record
so far with that cost of living and with the
economy yup, interest rates have come down.

Speaker 15 (01:32:50):
That's a reserve bank thing, it's not a government thing.

Speaker 22 (01:32:52):
So the reality is they're looking like a viable option,
not because sorry, because of one side's failure to deliver,
as opposed to its popularity shooting up based on its
own merits and policies. I think that's personally the wrong
thing to vote for, But when there's only a few options,
what else are people going to do?

Speaker 2 (01:33:09):
And look, Lorna Chris Hopkins was big enough to say
today that yes, the fact that you know that voters
might not be happy with the coalition may also be
contributing to his good polls. Yeah, how much of an
impact do you think that's having as opposed to know,
the few policies that Labor has put on the table
so far.

Speaker 12 (01:33:27):
Well, you know, I think the policies they've put forward
so far are pretty good. There's a minor policy announcement
coming later today and then we've got more major ones
coming in the new year. I think what they've done
so far is good. But I agree with Wilhelmina, it's
less about the lure of Labor more about the disillusion
with the National led coalition. We are starting to see
some green shoots of economic growth, though, so I'm wondering
if that might slow down that dissatisfaction. I think Labor

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are also suffering a little bit. They have a lot
of new faces across much of their portfolios, and Chris
says this gives them a great sense of energy, which
is true, but maybe lacking that experience in the name
recognition that many Kiwi's look for when they're voting. What
worries me is less how Labor and National are polling,

(01:34:13):
but how the minor parties are polling as well, and
I think we could end up with a very messy
election where the tail ends up wagging the dog.

Speaker 9 (01:34:22):
You know.

Speaker 2 (01:34:23):
Another comment that he made, what I mean, was that
he feels that the current coalition had been campaigning since
the minute they came in and I kind of said
to him, eh, I think they've been quite busy doing
a lot of other things. I don't think it's been
pure campaigning. But he of course pointed out act in
New Zealand first and the leaders and how they are
very much, you know, trying to maintain their individuality within
the coalition. In a way, It's sorry, I was just

(01:34:45):
going to say, in a way, it's not so much
about what Chris Hopkins does in the next year. It's
actually about how that coalition hold it together, keep delivering,
keep consolidating what they've done to prove to the voters
that you know, we should stick with them next.

Speaker 15 (01:34:58):
Year one hundred percent.

Speaker 22 (01:34:59):
I think it also brings in that argument around, you know,
in particular the three year term. Right, it's only a
very short period of time, and I think it would
be bad if they probably potentially weren't campaigning during out
during the entire duration of their term, as well as
getting stuff done at the same time, because it's such
a short period of time.

Speaker 15 (01:35:17):
I know that people complain about this all the time,
but if.

Speaker 22 (01:35:19):
You feel like they come into power a whole bunch
of things are undone and then they start to build
it up again and then obviously not much gets done
and everything gets undone as well. It's interesting that he's
talking about this coalition, the three kind of pronged government,
when he's also at the same time not ruling out
working with both New Zealand.

Speaker 15 (01:35:37):
First and to Party Mali.

Speaker 22 (01:35:39):
So even though that to Party Malori seems reddled with chaos,
hanging by a thread, he knows his numbers are growing,
but potentially he also knows that they might need that
extra support down the track from the others to firmly
get across the line. So there could be another coalition
on the other side. So I don't know that that's right.

Speaker 12 (01:35:58):
That's exactly right, and there has been, as you say,
chaos and Ta Pati Maori, the Green bound exactly pulling
very strongly at the moment. You know, there could be
a problem with a left wing coalition as well, trying
to get those numbers up.

Speaker 2 (01:36:11):
Yes, and of course we heard can say this morning.
You know that they are Labor is quite aggressively going
to go after those Malori seeds. So I think that
they're trying to maybe potentially avoid having to go down
that road. Well, I mean do you get all excited
about a sale about Black Friday? Which wasn't just Black Friday.
It seems to have been the last Black ten days.

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I don't know when they started. These sales seems started
weeks ago. Do you get all excited about this?

Speaker 15 (01:36:38):
Look?

Speaker 22 (01:36:38):
I love a shop, I ask anyone that knows may
I'm online shopping all the time. I'm hunting for discounts,
and this is outside of Black Week as well. But
I think the thing is that it's stretched out for
so long and now there's all these other big sales days,
you know, Vogue, online shopping night after Payday, all these
various different sales websites, that type of thing.

Speaker 15 (01:36:59):
So while it is exciting, I think it's happening all around.

Speaker 22 (01:37:03):
And to be fair with my you know, a love
for shopping, I'm probably excited all the time.

Speaker 2 (01:37:09):
See I couldn't. I couldn't agree with you more?

Speaker 9 (01:37:11):
Will?

Speaker 2 (01:37:11):
I mean, I don't get drawn in because it's Black Friday.
I think you're silly to buy something's not on sale
these days, Launa, You know what I mean? Like retail
and is driven by the retailers because the big ones
are on sale all the time, and so if you
don't need it. You're happy to wait a month because
a sale will pop up or a week and will
pop up and you can get what you're after at achievement.

Speaker 12 (01:37:32):
Yeah, that's absolutely right. I don't think I bought anything.

Speaker 5 (01:37:34):
That's Black Friday.

Speaker 12 (01:37:35):
I might be wrong about that, but yeah, as you
say that, a day when Brisco's isn't having a sale
is a rarity, so you know, and I think they
did a little bit of analysis on some of the
Black Friday deals which show that really over the last year,
they're no cheaper during Black Friday than they would be
at any other special price point during the year. So yeah, no,

(01:37:57):
I don't get excited by the Black Friday sales. I've
hung on to my money this year, although I probably
should have done some shopping because I haven't really got
myself organized for Christmas.

Speaker 2 (01:38:05):
Yeah, we see, That's what I Laura, Because of the
timing of this particular one, I like to look around,
I go online, I go to a few shops, I
write my list, and then I just wait for this
weekend and I've done and I have purchased nothing that
I didn't need, nothing that wasn't on the list. As
for Christmas gifts. But I've you know, I've made some
say things and I'm pretty did you did you go?
I don't don't. You'll never see me drive to a

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warm or sale weekend.

Speaker 16 (01:38:29):
I can't.

Speaker 2 (01:38:29):
I don't have I do not have the patience for it.
I went op shopping with my daughter this week. We
did three op shops. She has the patience to look
at everything on the rack of the third shop I was.
I looked at her like a five year old and said,
I'm slowly dying here. Can we please go home? I
can't need to make it.

Speaker 22 (01:38:48):
You need to make use of the partner chair, you know,
the boyfriend and husband chair, which is actually just the
plus one chair.

Speaker 2 (01:38:56):
I looked for one in the third shop and I
couldn't find one. That is so funny, I could not
sit down. Damn, that's just sad anyway, protest. But hey, also,
Ikia is opening, which everyone's very excited about. And that's great.
But you'd think they were only opening for two weeks
because it sounds like, you know eighty is planning for

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you know, roadblocks. It's going to take eight ages to park.
I mean, I just don't get I'll hit out at
some point, but I don't see the need to go
in the opening weekend.

Speaker 22 (01:39:25):
Willemina, No, well, actually I landed from christ Church this
morning and in my uber from the airport to my
house there were all of the signage over all of
the highways leading out of the airport going basically, you know,
probably not this language, but brace yourself for all the cues,
for all the people who are going to be lining
up for Ikea.

Speaker 15 (01:39:43):
And I just rolled my eyes and I thought it
was hilarious.

Speaker 22 (01:39:45):
It reminded me of the hooplar and the hype of Costco,
which I have to say I still haven't visited yet,
and I probably will at some time, just like I
will Ikea because I love a bit of Ikea, not
so much the assembly, but you know the price point.
But I will go when it's quiet and when it's
died down. I will absolutely not be wasting a single
second waiting in a line to get into a retail

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store that's going to sit there forever.

Speaker 12 (01:40:11):
You Lorna, Yeah, I agree. I saw the signs this
week and was just an eighty of hired thirty five
extra staff or something to work over that weekend manning
traffic and I think it opens on Thursday, doesn't it.
I'm excited about I care, I would like to shop there.
I eventually got to Costco. I eventually went to Sylvia

(01:40:33):
Park that opening weekend was Mannick as well for anyone
who remembers. But I'm not going to rush in straight away,
and I'm again an online shopper. I'll happily go and
shop online that I care. But the thought of traveling
out to Sylvia Park and queuing for an hour to
get into a car park, no, thank you.

Speaker 2 (01:40:51):
I shall see you online, Launa. Now look just very
quickly before you both go. Before you both go, Willhelmina,
this is the last panel you will do as Wilhelmina Shrimpton.
I know that you're getting married in a couple of weeks,
so I just wanted to say, have an amazing day.
We will be thinking of you.

Speaker 15 (01:41:07):
Thank you so much. And when I speak to you next,
I'll be Wilhelmina Rokeef. So it's very exciting.

Speaker 2 (01:41:11):
There we go, of course, marrying Rugby Reef been okay,
So you two have I hope this, you know, I
love the way you're doing this, you know, leading into
Christmas at a busy time of the year and everything.
I hope you're all your organizing's under control.

Speaker 15 (01:41:24):
So far, so good, excellent. Talk to me in a week.

Speaker 2 (01:41:27):
Well done, have an amazing day, Lorna and Wilhelmina, thank
you so much for your time this morning. Coming up
next to Jason Pine on.

Speaker 1 (01:41:33):
Sport, it's the Sunday Session with Francesca Rudkin on News Talks.

Speaker 2 (01:41:43):
B Coming up at midday to day Jason Pine with
Weekend Sport and he joins me, now, good morning.

Speaker 23 (01:41:49):
Good morning.

Speaker 2 (01:41:50):
What do you go on the show?

Speaker 23 (01:41:51):
Quite a bit actually, after one pretty special guest, Michael
Campbell twenty years since he won that US Open in
two thousand and five. Incredible, And there's a documentary on
Sky premiering tonight actually which talks about not only that
tournament win, but the journey from Tetahie Bay, just outside
of Pottydoer in Wellington's northern suburbs. Standing up on the

(01:42:15):
first day at secondary school where everybody had to say
what they wanted to do with their lives, he said,
pro golfer. Everybody in the class laughed at him, so yeah,
he's the one laughing now a major winner, and yeah,
the Stocko said to be a cracking watch. So you're
Michael Camberlin for an extended chat after one. Want to
talk some cricket as well. Black Caps coach Rob Walter's

(01:42:36):
with US Test matches and the weak ahead against the
West Indies or in the weeks ahead rather against the
West Indies before Christmas. And I want to have a
bit a football as well. The Phoenix won yesterday. Auckland
f C played this afternoon some basketball in there as well,
a real smallgas border play of lush.

Speaker 2 (01:42:53):
How do you think All Good FC is going to
go against Newcastle?

Speaker 23 (01:42:56):
Well, last week they were pretty disappointing against Brisbane and
I know their coach has probably this week reminded them
of that fact on a reasonably regular basis. He was
I've never seen Steve Couric is so annoyed after a
game than he was after the one all draw last
week with Brisbane. So I get the feeling Newcastle might
get the backlash from that. I'm in Wellington. I've heard

(01:43:17):
though the weather's not great in Auckland today.

Speaker 2 (01:43:18):
Is that correct?

Speaker 12 (01:43:19):
Do you know what?

Speaker 2 (01:43:19):
When I came to work for you this morning, it
was stunning and then it's miserable, it's raining, it's great.

Speaker 3 (01:43:26):
In an hour, it'll be fine.

Speaker 2 (01:43:27):
It'll be fine in an hour, you know, all god
fingers crossed. Hey, I wanted to ask you. A tough
end the year for Wales with a seventy three mill
loss against the Springbok. The Springbok have I mean, they've
been the team of the year, right, you'd have to
say they've they've had an exceptionally good year. But what
do we do about they're just a bit naughty these days.
I mean there's the eye gouging. I think this is

(01:43:48):
the third person that's been called up for something quite
dangerous on this northern tour and things. Are they just
getting a bit arrogant? A they're just is it a
lack of discipline? They're getting a bit arrogant?

Speaker 3 (01:43:58):
Weird doesn't know?

Speaker 23 (01:43:59):
Well, it's a beeth who's the latest guy to you know,
to be in the spotlight for this. He's been around,
what he's played undred and forty tests. He knows better
than this. And you know eye gouging that that can
carry a twelve week band depending on when it starts obviously,
But yeah, I don't.

Speaker 2 (01:44:15):
Know, are they do you accidentally? I mean I've never
played rugby, right, but do you accidentally I gained somebody?

Speaker 23 (01:44:23):
I would thought so, I wouldn't have thought so. I
think if your fingers anywhere near something squishy, you sort
of pull away pretty quickly, don't you.

Speaker 2 (01:44:30):
And rugby and in life alrighty, yeah, no, it's quite
fascinating anyway. It's it's been interesting watching them play rugby
this year.

Speaker 3 (01:44:40):
It's been They have been amazing. They have been amazing.

Speaker 23 (01:44:42):
But you're right, there's this those little those little cracks
of discipline might be starting to appear. But I mean
they just absolutely dealt to Whales seventy three nil in Cardiff.
They are by far and away so they ever go,
apart from the discipline issues, are the best team going
around and you know, obviously two years out but have
to be favorite for the World Cup. But there's a
bit of water to fly into the bridge.

Speaker 2 (01:45:01):
Yet and look just quickly. Liam Lawson's going to start
twelfth on the grid for Cutter Grand Prix tomorrows. It's
not too bad. I think that's okay.

Speaker 23 (01:45:08):
I just hope at some point they tell him whether
he's coming back next year or not. What we now,
it's December tomorrow.

Speaker 2 (01:45:14):
They have, haven't they they have?

Speaker 23 (01:45:16):
They would have had to write.

Speaker 2 (01:45:20):
Yeah, yeah, I think so. Anyway, we will be patient
wait to be told.

Speaker 3 (01:45:25):
We will.

Speaker 2 (01:45:25):
Thanks Francis, Thanks Piney, looking forward to it. Piny will
be back at midday with weekends sport coming up next.
Meghan Singldren has been going through the Black Friday travel
deals and she's got some great Christmas gift ideas for
you as well. It is twenty to twelve.

Speaker 1 (01:45:40):
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Speaker 2 (01:45:52):
Meghan Singleton, Blogger at Large, joins me. Now, good morning,
Good morning. So you've been trying You've been having a
look at some of the Black Friday travel deals, which
is an excellent idea.

Speaker 11 (01:46:03):
Well, it's a good It is a good way to
kind of use Black Friday. And I just heard you
talking on the panel. I have not been taking advantage
of Black Friday deals because I'm like you, they always
seem to be having a deal and if you just
wait long enough, you'll get a deal. However, a great
idea for some Christmas shopping are experiences, right, I think
most of us, especially we get to a certain age,

(01:46:23):
we don't need any more stuff in our houses. But
what we do like to do is share experiences with
each other. So yeah, I did some googling around and
I've got a few great ideas and things that I
found that might work for good Christmas gift ideas like
season season passes, Kelly Tarlton's Cardrona, Great Journeys, scenic rail tours.

(01:46:47):
I've got friends that just took the twelve hour train
between Auckland and Wellington, absolutely loved it, and I thought
you could get a ticket do that and then get
your wow tickets, like go down for an event in
Wellington as well, or get off in Pame and do
something there instead, you know, get the train back to
Auckland or any of the stations in between.

Speaker 2 (01:47:06):
So someone like Kelly Tarlton's they've got twenty percent off
at the moment, have they.

Speaker 11 (01:47:11):
Yeah, So that's an annual season pass. So if you're
a local family, and I'm sure you'll find that all
around New Zealand are for perhaps zoos and other activity
places where families can go. Yeah, get that, go rock
up anytime you like, take the kids like people do
with the Zoo, get their annual passes and they're there.
That's why.

Speaker 12 (01:47:31):
Just on that.

Speaker 11 (01:47:32):
That's why Disneyland is always so busy on a lovely
day because most of the people have annual passes because
they're locals. So the best tip to go to Disneyland,
totally offscript here, is to go on an inclement day,
like it's just come about in Auckland, because none of
the locals are there on an overcast, rainy day. So
never worry if you get to Anaheim and you think, oh,

(01:47:53):
the weather's not looking good for Disney, just means you
won't have long lines.

Speaker 2 (01:47:57):
That's a very good point, actually, you know, it is
a nice little it's a very good idea for a gift. Ashley.
And we're seeing a lot of people are always traveling
for gigs and things like that. And I've noticed that
a lot of the ticket people are having sales as well.

Speaker 11 (01:48:11):
Yeah they are. Ticket Master has got some great sales.
And did you know that and Juliet, which is on
Broadway in New York, is coming here in April. Yes,
so yeah, so you can get Black Friday sale tickets.
They end tonight mostly though, so thirtieth of November. So
if you are thinking, oh, that will be quite a
good idea. Auckland FC Rhythm and Vines, Jason Aldean grave

(01:48:34):
yourself a Black Friday ticket, buy one for your friend,
your partner, and then you've got your Christmas shopping up.

Speaker 2 (01:48:40):
But you are right, there are some people that don't
need anything, and an experience or a voucher or something
like that is a wonderful idea. What about actual travel,
actually traveler, you know flights, Yeah, are there any deals
there or they sort.

Speaker 11 (01:48:55):
Of just no, there's some great deals there and my
family's got our i off FIGI. We're planning on a
big multi generational trip next here and right now Fiji Airways,
I've just been messaging. My brother has flights from Auckland
to Nandy, stopover for a week and then Los Angeles
for one thousand dollars, So that is ideal and that's

(01:49:18):
not return. They're doing twelve hundred return, twelve hundred return
to la for on Fiji Airways and we're going to
add a stopover. Yeah, and then of course grab a seat,
which is always a good time. But Graber Seat's got
some extra special Black Friday deals for about a thousand,
just over one thousand return to LA for travel up
until March Bali one thousand dollars return. Yeah, so have

(01:49:41):
a look there as well. Again it ends tonight well,
and cruisers, just about every cruise line is doing Black
Friday deals because of course Americans.

Speaker 2 (01:49:49):
Are all over Black cat So if we're not, if
you're not hugely organized to be able to book flights
and you know, because you don't have a plan after Christmas,
it's quite often there's a New Year sort of flights down,
isn't there.

Speaker 11 (01:50:02):
We seen yeses that well, usually starts day and it's
always been the traditional airline holidays. So if you need
a new passport like my nieters, get it organized so
that you can hit the Boxing Day sales or the
New Year's Day sales and then maybe get your flights
and holidays booked in for next year.

Speaker 2 (01:50:24):
Okay, bring it. Thank you great tips as always, Megan,
appreciate that. Up next, Joan has some great ideas too
of books that you might want to pack up with
a bit of a discount at Wickles. It is thirteen
to twelve.

Speaker 3 (01:50:39):
Books with Wickles for the best selection of great reads.

Speaker 2 (01:50:45):
Joe McKenzie. Good morning, Good morning, right, Black Friday is
taking place, and it's also taking place at Wickles it is, yes,
So you've got some good ideas of a way for
us to take advantage of Black Friday and Cyber Monday deals.

Speaker 9 (01:50:59):
Yeah.

Speaker 24 (01:50:59):
I had a look at some books which I thought
just represent fantastic value when you look at the Black
Friday offer which finishes the end of day today obviously,
but this twenty percent off all books. And of course
you can let your fingers do the walking because you
can do this online through to the end of the
day and then of course tomorrow, as you said, there's
Cyber Monday coming up with more great deals. So I've
looked at some books where I think this represents a

(01:51:21):
great opportunity, and the first one is the new Ken
Follett which is called Circle of Days.

Speaker 2 (01:51:26):
Now.

Speaker 24 (01:51:26):
I have adored Ken's books since he wrote The Pillars
of the Earth many many years ago, which was about
the building of cathedrals back in the dark days.

Speaker 2 (01:51:36):
The medieval era.

Speaker 24 (01:51:37):
I can't remember exactly when, but anyway, it was a
brilliant book about building of cathedrals in England. And this
new one is all about the creation of Stonehenge, and
he is a bit of a connection to Stonehenge because
his father took him there as a boy, and then
his wife was a minister in one of the English
governments and she was responsible for helping open Stonehenge to
the public. So he's done all of his research as

(01:51:58):
ken does and written this brilliant book and its fabulous
gift because it's so big and chunky, and it's in hardback,
so you know it represents great.

Speaker 2 (01:52:07):
No very much so. And he's been one of my
favorite guests on the show this year. I've lent that
book to a few people and everyone's handed it back
to me with a notegoing page turner rapped through it.
It's great holiday reading to it if you're getting ready
for the holidays. You've also recommended The Detective by Matthew Riley.
This is for thriller lovers, it is, and.

Speaker 24 (01:52:24):
I've put it on the list because it's another hardback,
so again, great value, great looking gift, and it's a
terrific thriller, which I think we've talked about about a
very quirky, unusual detective who is determined to solve a
case in the States of Texas and Louisiana where over
one hundred and fifty years there's been a series of
women who've gone missing, and then the detectives who've been

(01:52:46):
on the case trying to figure out what's happening have
also gone missing. And we've got this new guy who
reckons that he can properly figure it all out. And
of course, being set in the American South, there's all
of the great dynastic families, and there's the racism and
the a lot of money sloshing around, and it's just

(01:53:06):
great reading, great thriller.

Speaker 2 (01:53:07):
Okay, fantastic, And you've got something special for fans of
the Hunger Games.

Speaker 6 (01:53:11):
I do.

Speaker 24 (01:53:11):
I put this on because Hunger Games fans can be
fanatic about the series. This is a prequel. It's actually
the second prequel. One came out a couple of years ago,
called The Ballad of Songbirds and Snakes. Well, this is
called Sunrise on the Reaping. And it's on the list
because it is the most beautiful edition. It's hardcover, it's
got beautiful what we call sprayed edges on it. It's

(01:53:33):
a thing of beauty. So any Hunger Games fan would
be absolutely thrilled to get it. I've also got a
book called Always Remember by Charlie Mackasey, who did a
book called The Boy, the Mold, The Fox and the Horse.
This is the sequel The Boy, the Mold, the Fox
and the Horse went on to become the biggest selling
non fiction book ever in the UK. And these are
books for uncertain times about a group of four friends,

(01:53:56):
which is the four in the title of the book,
go on journeys and tries to make life better for
one another in very uncertain times. So these books have
really struck accord. Always Remember as the new one I
put in Guinness World Records because of course every year
it's a great gift for a child or a family,
beautiful hard back, great value. And my last one was

(01:54:16):
Naggi my Housh's cookbook recipe You Changed My Life.

Speaker 3 (01:54:21):
I know.

Speaker 2 (01:54:21):
She's fabulous. She has two books out.

Speaker 24 (01:54:24):
One's called Dinner, one's called Tonight. Her dog features prominently throughout.
He's a great addition in the kitchen. But also she
does these videos which you can hook up to which
give you step by step process on how to do
what she's doing, and they're just fabulous. But she she
her recipes are affordable, they're tasty, they're quick.

Speaker 2 (01:54:44):
And easy, and she was the one. It was thanks
to Nagie that I said to my family, right, I'm
going to do one new recipe a week, which everyone
was hugely relieved about because my repertoire is very name.
You don't need lots of you don't need lots of ingredients.
You just got a few things in the pantry and
then off you went. I love Naggie. Okay, brilliant. I'm
going to whip through these really quickly. Circle of Days

(01:55:04):
by Ken Follett, The Detective by Matthew Riley, Sunrise on
the Reaping by Susan Colin Suzanne Collins, Always Remember by
Charlie Mackasee. The Guinness World Records. I don't know. It
might be inspirational. You might come up with a goal
for next year to break a world record and recipe
Tin Eats Tonight by Nagi Mahashi. Great suggestions. Thank you

(01:55:24):
so much, Joan, Thank you.

Speaker 1 (01:55:27):
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Speaker 2 (01:55:34):
Thank you so much for joining me this morning. Very
much appreciate it. I'm very disappointed after a beautiful warning
that I'm heading out into the world, and it's raining
and it's miserable. AUGLANDFC is playing this afternoon though mounts
mart Look if you want to, if you want to
take the kids out, my producers. She's heading along with
her son. She is not a problem, Francisca. You put
on a good raincoat, you put your poncho over the top.

(01:55:57):
You make sure that poncho goes over the back of
the seat. You take a towel to wipe the seat down,
and you are good to go for a game. So
there we go. You do turn up this afternoon and
you need a towel for you seek just yell out
for Kerrie and sheer lom throw you the towel. Very
very well organized mother at the football. But look enjoy
the rest of your afternoon. How wherever you're spending it.

(01:56:18):
You might be in a que to get a park
for a Black Friday sale. You just have a good day.
Jason Pine is up next. Thank you Kerry for producing
the show. How we got castaway in the studio for
a live performance and next week very excited and this
is them, We're going to be talking to them. Very
excited about that too. Take care.

Speaker 1 (01:57:02):
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