November 14, 2025 • 39 mins
This week on The Panel, Tim Beveridge is joined by Crane Brothers founder Murray Crane, and Councillor for Waitakere Shane Henderson, to discuss the biggest stories from the week that was.
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Speaker 1 (01:24):
Tim Beveridge on the Weekend Collective called eight hundred eighty
ten eighty news Talk z B.
Speaker 2 (01:30):
Yes, and now look I always try and say something
about the order, whether it's age before beauty or good
before evil, but really let's just go with the white's
printed out on the piece of paper here. He is
founder of Crane Brothers. He is brother one and brother
two really at the business, I think Crane Brothers. It's
Murray Crane good a Murray. How are you going?
Speaker 3 (01:47):
I'm very well? Thanks for having me back.
Speaker 2 (01:50):
Yeah, things, how are things in the CBD these days?
And you've just come from work, haven't you?
Speaker 3 (01:54):
I have just come from a high street. Yes, it's
always there's always something going on.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
Are you looking forward to the CRL opening? Do you
think it'll make a difference to the vibe.
Speaker 3 (02:07):
Yes, I think I think it will change the dynamic
of the city and positively yes, for the for the
for the greater good of the city.
Speaker 2 (02:15):
Definitely excellent, excellent. And that was the answer that our
next guest is looking for because he hasn't been on
the show for a while because last time we were
going to have him on we realized we couldn't have
mine because he was in the middle of a local
body election and he's counselor for Wait Tarkty and his
name is Shane Henderson. Shane, how you going get a
gato back? Hey? So obviously you won? Yea? How much
did you win by?
Speaker 4 (02:36):
About seven and a half thousand? Not too bad?
Speaker 2 (02:38):
Yeah? Yeah? Is that that's that course? Are you are
allowed to say you're feeling quite smug about the result?
Speaker 4 (02:44):
Honestly, maybe a little smug. But you know, west Auckland
has have a way of bringing their back down to
earth too, do they they do?
Speaker 2 (02:49):
How do they bring you down? When you've got a
seven and a half thousand majority? You can just look
at them and go, hey, mate, I can afford to
lose one or two votes and you might be one
of them. See you later.
Speaker 4 (02:57):
No way, no way, you just using the city anyway?
Speaker 2 (03:02):
What is there much of a different vibe at the
council now that you're all sort of how many changes
are the guards have there?
Speaker 4 (03:08):
But it's really upbeat mate. Actually we've got five new
counselors and they've just stepped straight in and they're really
excited and that kind of excitements of it infect you say, so, yeah,
we just can't wait to get started and get into
the bigger shees good stuff.
Speaker 2 (03:20):
Good on you, right, Well should we get into it,
by the way, let's start with a bit of good
news that because often it's you know, we go for
the contentious, heavy sort of stuff, and you know, you've
we've got to try to avoid feeling too much, too
blum about news. But this is a bit of good
news with the US removing its beef tariff. That now
that beef is going to be paying a tariff of
less than one percent, which is under the WTO country
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specific rate quota. We don't know about lamb yet, but
that's a drop from fifteen percent to less than one percent.
You bit of a beef fan, Murray, big beef fan,
big beef, grass or grain feed grass grass. Yeah, that's
good that. I mean, we new Zealander is really it's
the American thing. I think they like the grain fed.
Speaker 3 (04:01):
They definitely like our beef, which that's good.
Speaker 2 (04:03):
Yeah. What do you think it's brought this around? Because
it hasn't felt like there's been much maneuver room until
all of a sudden there is.
Speaker 3 (04:11):
Well, as we know in politics, there's probably been some
kind of trade.
Speaker 2 (04:16):
I reckon, what do you think they're running out of
burger beef over in the States because they do like
their burgers?
Speaker 3 (04:22):
They do, and they've had a lockdown or shut down
or whatever they call it.
Speaker 2 (04:26):
Now, God don't say lockdown. Will be traumatized. What do
you reckon, Shane?
Speaker 4 (04:30):
Yeah, yeah, no, US production's cratering. They're just not producing
enough for the demand, so they need people to supply it.
Luckily we're here being.
Speaker 2 (04:39):
Go well and also bravo.
Speaker 3 (04:40):
I mean, our farmers work incredibly hard, so they deserve
whatever they can get.
Speaker 2 (04:44):
I don't know if I don't know which officials of
ours will deserve credit, whether it's just the luck of
the draw, but we do have very hard working people
on this, you know, behind the scenes, so they'll be
celebrating anyway, So good on them, right there we go.
We just thought we'd to have a touch on that
out of the anyway. From I don't know, how do
they have a next one? Yeah? Anyway, So it's been
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a big week for the police with the disgraced former
Deputy Police Commissioner Jevin mcskimming his reputations in tatters, but
there are a few others who follow him because of
what could broadly be described of a cover up where
the accusations by miss z were well basically covered up
(05:28):
and it took some bravery from other police behind the
scenes to bring it to the fore. What did you
make of the whole thing, Shane?
Speaker 4 (05:33):
Yeah, the IPCA report was really damning, wasn't it. It
showed systemic failings and it's really scary for the police
because they rely on that public trust to actually operate
properly and that's been damaged.
Speaker 2 (05:44):
Yeah, what do you reckon, Murray? Because I sort of
feel that the police under Costa the leadership has a
terrible look. But it's a new leadership and the Richard Chambers,
the police commissioner now has led pretty strongly with it,
isn't he.
Speaker 3 (06:00):
Yeah, Richard Chambers and Mark Mitchell. I think you're both
doing a pretty good job.
Speaker 2 (06:04):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (06:05):
I mean the sad thing for me, and the thing
that hasn't really been touched on, is that any kind
of addiction, whether it's alcohol or porn, that's a mental
health issue, and I don't really feel like that's been
touched on at all. And the guy was obviously struggling, right,
he was having a lot of problems, and I think
that any large organization should have the ability to be
able to deal with those things. And that's obviously a
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major failing that they've got, which we're seeing in the police.
We're also seeing it in Army Navy. So that's kind
of to me, that's the issue that I think they
need to really be Obviously, it's a very stressful job,
high stress. They work incredibly hard and they're under an
amazing amount of pressure. But I mean, as soon as
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I saw that come out, I just thought, you know,
that's a mental health thing. It's okay, it's a stress things.
Speaker 2 (06:53):
It's brought on by a whole lot of factors. Yeah. Actually, yeah,
you're probably right actually in terms of everyone's been because
the up there's been the group outrage about it, but
I don't get I guess in a way that outrage
has shifted to the way the police handled it, haven't
they shame.
Speaker 4 (07:09):
Yeah, absolutely, and yeah there's been also a bit of outrage.
It's just come out recently that he's been paying into
his pension the whole time. So we don't know how
sentencing is going to come next next month, but there's
a chance he could be set up for quite a
big payout back from the pension, and there's been some
rumblings about that in the public too. Skimming Old Costa
is sorry, Mike skimming, I'm skipping and.
Speaker 3 (07:29):
Both of them.
Speaker 2 (07:30):
I guess the thing is if you pay into your pinch. Look,
if you pay into your pension, it's money you put in,
and that's just the way it is. I think the
most important thing is that, well, that we learn what
went on and that it never happens again when it
comes to the instructions of senior police to basically try
and sweep the whole thing under the carpet. I think
that's the big that has become the big story. Really.
Speaker 3 (07:52):
Yeah, it definitely got a lot worse than it should
have probably been hindsight for them too, But I don't.
I mean, I'd be very surprised if it was an
isolated issue. Give them the stress that those guys are under.
Speaker 2 (08:02):
Yeah, what do you do you think? How do you
feel that people are going to feel about police leadership?
So we've had you know, obviously Andrew Costa's reputation has
been basically destroyed. Yeah. Absolutely, But now he's no longer
police commissioner. I was thinking to myself, imagine if this
issue had come up while he was still a police commissioner.
(08:25):
The damage to the police would have been catastrophic really
if he was still there. But do you think how
do you balance that between the new leadership and the
way people might respond to Richard chambers handling of the issue.
Speaker 4 (08:38):
Yeah, it seems like Chambers is doing a good job,
and the Minister stepped in as well, appointing the Inspector
General and has really been taking this seriously because the
IPC air report did show systemic failing, so this isn't
just potentially one issue. There's broader culture issues that they've
got to sort out. So I'm just glad they're sorting
it out.
Speaker 2 (08:55):
Yeah, Murray, any follow up on your.
Speaker 3 (08:57):
Well, I think they're doing the right thing. They're owning it,
so hopefully the things are saying are actually going to happen.
I think that's what everyone will be.
Speaker 2 (09:05):
Actually, did you see that Chambers was owning up at
a at a at a graduation ceremony for police for
having been busted speeding at arder twelve. It's the dumbest
thing he's ever done us.
Speaker 3 (09:16):
But that could just be a great pr two.
Speaker 2 (09:18):
I well, actually that's what here. I think Heather was
saying that that's that's a deliberate sort of statement to
send him like this is the worst you're going to
hear for me as a speeding five of one hundred
and twelve. He did really sort of say what a
terrible thing it was he'd done. And I'm thinking, well,
I don't know one hundred and twelve, You know what
do you reckon? Shame?
Speaker 4 (09:36):
Everyone makes mistakes. That's glad that he's got it out,
though I think it might have been.
Speaker 3 (09:39):
And at least he wasn't on his phone watching porn.
Speaker 2 (09:42):
No, oh my god. Indeed, indeed, what we say when
we feel a bit uncomfortable. Indeed, anyway, now to party
Mari Saga with the MP's have been expelled from to
party Mari, Marimino, Kapaki and takey to Ferris have gone.
(10:03):
I don't know what the procedure has been, but the
state of the party politics. I'll go you shame with
this first, because I'll be honest, I find it hard
to get too excited about this because eventually something will
be sorted out and it will go to an election.
And I don't know, I just maybe it's because I
think that I haven't had a lot of time for
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the leadership of Taparty Mari myself anyway, and I'm not
part of their constituency. What would they care? But how
damaging is this ultimately going to be? And can something
emerge from the ashes of all of this? Do you think?
Speaker 4 (10:36):
Yeah? I mean, we're seeing some polling that's had them dipping,
you know, so it is having some effect, And you know,
it seems like one of those arguments where you do
something when you shouldn't be doing something, you don't do
something when you should. It just seems that everything has
gone completely wrong, and maybe they need to focus on
putting their heads down and starting to focus on the
election and get into that reset as they've been sort
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of saying they're doing.
Speaker 2 (10:59):
What about labor. Do you think they'll be licking their
lips trying to get those seats back?
Speaker 4 (11:02):
Who knows? Who knows? Yeah, it cans been in the
public saying, look, they've got a ways to go to
kind of rebuild, build some of that confidence in the
elector dah, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (11:11):
What do you reckon, Mary? Do you reckon that they
can rebuild? Because I think out of the ashes you
just need you can always get someone who's suddenly kept
people's imagination. You know, we have brief attention spans for
this stuff.
Speaker 3 (11:22):
I think I think it's I think it's obviously challenging
to be in my minority party in an MMP environment.
I mean, they're pulling it less than five percent. And
let's remember they're not the first party to kind of implode.
I mean, we've all seen political parties implode in New
Zealand politics in the past. And I think that it's
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just everything's just so much more visible now, Like media
is so much faster. Everything's on display to party Maori
like being in the media, So the visibility is a
lot higher, and I think the problems the launder gets
hered a lot faster, and it accelerates and the problem
just becomes bigger and messier.
Speaker 2 (12:05):
Yeah, I thought you were about to quote Oscar wild there.
What is it. There's only one thing in the world
worse than being talked about, and that is not being
talked about.
Speaker 3 (12:11):
But I don't know, I think some politics.
Speaker 2 (12:15):
Does it work?
Speaker 4 (12:15):
In politics, they can do it. Seems like that they've
got a bit of a culture of wanting to get
everything out in the public and in the open. It
might be maybe not such a good idea at the moment.
Speaker 2 (12:27):
I yeah, you know, I tend to think that the
biggest problem that they've got is that they've got a
number of MP's in there and they haven't had a
I don't know, have they had a single policy win
where they've put something forward, work with the government on something.
Because it seems to me that most of the politics
from at least Rawy Ytt and others has been performative
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that they actually haven't. They don't strike me as serious politicians.
Is that too harsh, Murray?
Speaker 3 (12:55):
I think it's mildly harsh. I think I think. I mean,
Mario culture is very tribal and very kind of broke
like that, it's very kind of it's lots of small
little silos of people doing different things. I mean, that's
that's that's the culture that they have. If you look
at New Zealand as a whole, you're trying to put
all that together in one under one umbrella. It's I
think it's always going to be challenging.
Speaker 2 (13:16):
I think that pretty much nails in many respects because
a lot of the time there's this narrative that people
want to create that Marydam's just like it's like one
big Disney movie. And yet there are something there within
that culture, and there are various different tribal affiliations as
Mary said, and rivalries and while obviously they're not all
on the same page, are they.
Speaker 4 (13:35):
Well, we need to not forget that these are electorate
inmps as well, and there's an argument out there that look,
if we're being excluded, our entire people are being excluded,
and that's quite a powerful and mode of argument. Very
hard to sort of figure out how to get through that.
Speaker 2 (13:48):
Yeah, it's going to make that entertaining election. I guess,
Oh how long is it away?
Speaker 3 (13:52):
Also, maybe just to add there right at the end,
I've got good friends that are that a mai. Oh,
I know that sounds very racist.
Speaker 2 (14:03):
But what we can't say some of my best friends, which.
Speaker 3 (14:06):
In the context that they you know that they say
quite quite openly that the Murray Party doesn't represent Murray.
So you know, it's not just a blanket party to
represent Maury. Yeah, it's a political party.
Speaker 2 (14:19):
So and within there there's a whole I mean, there's
a whole range of people. I mean that Marah vote
for National Marin's whatever.
Speaker 3 (14:26):
So you got to remember that as well.
Speaker 2 (14:28):
Right, Okay, we're going to take quick break. We'll be
back in just a moment. We're let to have a
chat about the gun law and also the drug screening,
what they're going to be doing, whether we're in fans
of that or not. This is the Weekend Collective, the panel.
We'll be back in just the tickets twenty two past three. Yes,
welcome back to the Weekend Collective. My panelists to Murray
Crane he's the founder of Crane Brothers or are tailors
in the heart of Auckland City. And Shane Henderson, he's
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counselor for Why Tarkety with a majority as he as
he I did ask him, he didn't shove it down
the thread of seven and a half thousand, but that
is quite a majority anyway, and would explain the festive
shirt that he's wearing today. You'll just have to make
up your own mind when your imagination what he's how's
how he's lock anyway is going to try and describe
the flowers on it. But by we'll move on, shall
we now? I reckon this next story, the gun law
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shake up. So Nicole McKee has revealed some shake up
to the gun laws. I reckon Shane. The most exciting
thing about this story is probably the headline, because there's
nothing that really is objectionable. The gun lobby won't be
quite happy, won't be totally happy themselves because they're still
going to be a register and they don't want the register.
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They've made changes probably the two of the big ones.
The police are no longer to be going to be
in charge of it, which in the wake of recent headlines,
no one's going to get too excited about. There's going
to be a specialist regulatory agency. And there's changes to
the rules about you don't have you can keep your
guns elsewhere than your residents. And the only one that
(15:55):
would make me nervous on that one would be safe.
For instance, technically you could if you were a student,
you could take your gun and keep it in your
locker and a safe in your dormitory, which does make
me a little nervous just in terms of but it
seems to me to be largely pragmatic. Hasn't you got
any objections to this?
Speaker 4 (16:12):
Yeah, no, no objections. I think what's not in there
is the interesting bit the semi automatic weapons. There were
some concerns they would be brought back or loosened, and
that's not there. The gun register that's not there either,
So it seems fairly pragmatic.
Speaker 2 (16:27):
Yeah, Murray, you have a hot take on this. Some
of your best friends would be fire arm owners. We don't.
I sorry, I let me switch your mic on.
Speaker 3 (16:38):
I don't really know a lot about it, to be honest.
I mean, I mean I know that you know, we
obviously live in a rural country where there's a lot
of rural people who own guns and use them for
the right reasons. It was a lot of people that hunt,
so again it's one of those laws that's probably you know,
disadvantaging the ninety six percent for the four percent. But
I know that the whole firearmisure is changing dramatically if
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you're looking at the fact that guns can now be
made with the three D print. They've got some laws
about that, you know, like the whole thing. It's a movement.
Excuse the parents and a moving target. Tom.
Speaker 2 (17:13):
Thank you, Mary, just that's something you prepared earlier.
Speaker 3 (17:15):
I just made that up on the floor.
Speaker 2 (17:16):
Oh, well done. You. Actually there is something about that.
They have legislated, something about shooting from them not allowed
to basically make a gun, for a start. But I
always think that there's a These headlines provide probably a
gut reaction for people who either pro or anti guns,
But I just remind myself that, you know, it's not
the legal firearm owners who are the problem. It's the
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illicit guns, isn't it. Shane.
Speaker 4 (17:40):
Yeah, absolutely, And that was the concern was that if
you were to loosen up some of those laws, you'd
have more access to people that are not really going
to follow the rules. So you know, that hasn't happened,
and that's pretty good. But look, I was surprised. I
saw it in the Guardian, I saw it in the
AP News, these screaming headlines, and it didn't seem.
Speaker 2 (17:56):
Like there was much to it. Yeah, That's why I say,
I think it's just a gun law's shake up, and
if you are strongly on one opinion or another, you're
instant triggered before you've even heard what it is. Triggered triggered. Yeah,
I didn't thank you, Murray. That was an unintentional moment
of genius. Anyway, Okay, Well onto the next one. Now,
the drug screening that's going to happen roadside. It's going
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to be roadside drug screening scheme kicks off next month.
I think they're starting in Wellington and it's going to
be screening offices are going to be basically able to
screen for THHC. That's cannabis, methamphetamine, ecstasy and cocaine. And
if you do blow or swab, actually swab, they take
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a scrape of your tongue or something, which does feel
like it makes the police officer's jobs just got that
little less pleasant, didn't they. But I look a lot
of countries are doing and I think we're getting on
board with it. What do you reckon, Murray?
Speaker 3 (18:55):
Is this the first time that they've been able to
test for drug drug injuice driving or is it just
an advance on.
Speaker 2 (19:04):
It's a screen where that I think actually, I don't
know whether they've been able to send you off if
they think you're high and get your tested. But this
is just a screening thing where they can set up
a road thing and you know, everyone stick your tongue out,
swipe it and away you go.
Speaker 3 (19:19):
I mean, I think it's good obviously the police. It's
probably something they've been aware of in the past when
I've tested for alcohol.
Speaker 2 (19:27):
Well, I mean a lot of people. There's been the
discussion around alcohol all the time, is that people are
being able to drive as high as a kite and
just sail through a breath testing point.
Speaker 4 (19:35):
Shane, Yeah, it seems common sense to me. I mean,
thirty percent of all fatal crashes involving impair and drug
that's insane. I was so surprised to see that. But
I'm glad they're trialing it as well, because there has
been some concern out there that it's testing people and
that will pick up previous use, not necessarily current I'm
being impaired use. I don't know about that so much though, Well, I.
Speaker 2 (19:58):
Don't want to generalize with a constituency out from west Auckland.
Have you had any feedback.
Speaker 4 (20:05):
You are Land.
Speaker 2 (20:10):
Look, if you want to drive, then don't. If you
if you want to use marijuana or whatever drug and
you've taken it the day before, well don't drive. I
mean that's the choice you make.
Speaker 3 (20:20):
Is it going to happen?
Speaker 2 (20:21):
Well, if you get pinged for it, you're going to
change your mind pretty quickly, aren't you. I think the
other one is there was a discussion around prescription drugs
that might be picked up in the subsequent testing, but
also those if I if I remember rightly, is that
a lot of prescription drugs they do not drive well
under the influence, And so I don't know if there
should be an exception for prescription drugs for the ones
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that say you should not be driving under this. If
it picks you up, then I don't know any any objection, guys.
Speaker 3 (20:49):
I think the only objection that I can see would
be that you are you're taking someone's DNA, if you're
taking a saliva swab. So I'm sure that they've got
some fairly good You need to call me a someplace
around that you need, but you would hope.
Speaker 2 (21:02):
Two am in the morning on overnight Talk, Murray, I
do know that's that you've just mentioned something that could
get the phones ringing hot they take it, it's where
you are. They're just taking our DNA. I think it
depends what they do with the samples if yeah, But
actually I guess that's a fair enough that if it's longest,
they're just testing for the drugs and then destroying after
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a certain period of time. But if they're I mean,
if they take it off and go let's take a
sample of DNA, just think Actually, sorry, I was going
to write that off. You were I was completely going
to write it off, but I I don't have enough information.
But the potential is, you know, they've found a body
in a bag, you know, somewhere, and they and they've
got the DNA sample. We'll set up a roadblock and
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test drug What do you reckon? Actually I don't know.
Speaker 1 (21:51):
Around there.
Speaker 2 (21:51):
I just love that potential. Well it's not that's conspiracy ish,
but maybe I don't know, Shane.
Speaker 4 (22:00):
With any rule, you have to trust that they're going
to follow it, right, that's the only thing. But there
are rules around.
Speaker 2 (22:04):
Yeah, the other ones, well, yeah, I guess so, mind
you you'd have to explain where you got the DNA
sample from if you ever did find someone who. Here's
the thing, if you did catch a murderer because you
happened to be yes, that is a tricky one.
Speaker 3 (22:19):
You robbed the louver or something, and we've got your
DNA on file away. I arrested you for drug driving
and I know that was.
Speaker 2 (22:28):
We went slately to discuss this. But you know, did
you guys catch up with the louver?
Speaker 3 (22:31):
The password?
Speaker 2 (22:32):
No? No? Oh, password is louver No. You know that
photo that went viral millions of people viewing when they
showed a photo of the police outside the louver, there
was a guy standing with a fedora and a you know,
he was in a buttoned up vest in her suit.
He looked like Hercule poiro Did you hear about what that? Who?
That was?
Speaker 3 (22:52):
No?
Speaker 2 (22:52):
So it went viral and it was actually a fifteen
year old boy who was literally just walking past. And
he likes to dress up in that retro style when
he goes to do something important, and he was going
to the louver where I think either his parents or grandparents,
and he was wearing his fedora friend and he was
dressed like he was straight out of Crane Brothers are
retro Crane brothers. But it was just and he said,
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he kept quiet for a while, and then his friend
he didn't know initially, and his family said, you're famous,
And eventually he outed himself and there's an interview with him,
a fifteen year old boy, and everyone's like, who's the
mysterious man? And anyway, I just love those quirky little
stories where the truth is stranger than whatever we might
imagine it to be. Now, look this next story, the
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story of the Wimbledon tavern that has closed to locals,
with its owner saying that an evil community around it
may keeping the doors open unviable. So he is Eric Gathercole,
and he's owned this tavern and tara Uh it's about
twenty kilometers south of oh Hell poort Angahoe since twenty eighteen.
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So he looks like from what I've seen in the story,
that he might have or the venue fell foul of
the locals when he hosted a bash for the mongrel mob.
Now I say it out loud. When I was reading it,
I was thinking, oh no, actually, now I say it
out loud, that probably was the root of the problem,
was it.
Speaker 4 (24:16):
Yeah, I think so, I mean, and it's a business decision, right,
Like he's losing money handover fist on this historic building
he's got to pay to maintain and he's not getting
any cash in. So that was what his explanation was,
as well as to why he hosted the Mongrel while
he needs the cash.
Speaker 2 (24:30):
I sort of, you know, I sort of feel I mean,
I don't know this guy, and he's described the locals
as evil, etc. But I sort of just feel sympathetic
to him because he's a guy who probably had this
dream of when he opened the pub, of restoring it
and hopefully everylone would roll in. And it's just a
story about how he's tried, had to crack at a business.
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He's poured a lot of money into it and he struggled,
and if he's a bit angry and feeling a bit
disenfranchised from the community, I think that's sort of a
human reaction. I sort of feel, Okay, you shouldn't call
it you locals evil, but I also feel sympathetic to
just the fact here's a guy whose dreams haven't really materialized.
Speaker 3 (25:08):
Murray, Well, welcome to being in business. That's pretty tough,
you know. Yeah, so there's always a reason why things
don't work, and sometimes you've just got to kind of
make that makes sense in your own head before you
can kind of deal with that, I guess.
Speaker 2 (25:25):
So I wonder if he might be regretting hosting the
annual meeting for the Mongol Mobs Barbarians, because I think
there was a question on I mean, this is one
of those stories where you see some of the external
facts and you just love to know a little bit
more local knowledge about how everyone feels about it. But
it's sort of I'm sure there's I don't think it's
just a sorry tale of someone's business not working on it.
I mean, he'd be one of many, wouldn't he.
Speaker 4 (25:47):
I mean, did you see the locals came out though,
and that they fired back at him and they said, look,
we don't owe you our patronage, you know. So there's
kind of two sides to that. But yeah, I think
there is a maybe a broader story. There are rural
taverns doing it tough at the moment, tough.
Speaker 3 (26:02):
Gig, especially if you're not from the area and you
and I mean you've got to win the locals over right, Yeah,
the ore the ones that are going to support you evenly.
Speaker 2 (26:11):
Sort of road trip taverns where you go past and
you always got to pull in somewhere.
Speaker 3 (26:14):
They're drinking drinking now, no, no, no, sorry, no, that's right.
Speaker 2 (26:19):
No, if you're passing through, you're not going to be.
But you know there there are a bit I wonder
if there would almost be a road trip with famous
sort of venues that you can go and popping. You
don't have to drink your well, you shouldn't be drinking
driving full stop, but your passengers might of course. Murray, yeah, yeah, anyway,
Look we're going to take a break. We'll be back
in just a moment. It's twenty three minutes to four
news talk z B. Yes, welcome back to the Weekend Collective.
(26:42):
My panelists Murray Crane he's the founder of Crane Brothers,
and Shane Henderson, who is the smug member for a
council for Why Tarkty. Given as majority that you got
in there, guys, this is quite a fascinating one and
I haven't worked at what I think of this story.
But the windowless window seats, so United Airlines is asked
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a federal judge to dismiss it's a lawsuit. So somebody's
literally taken United to because they basically pay extra money
to sit in window seats that, to their surprise, lacked windows,
so they were sort of like fuse large seats, which
doesn't sound so sexy, does it, Shane, No, it's.
Speaker 4 (27:23):
A bit cute really from United. I think they're basically
saying that your window seat is the one that's next
to the wall, and you go back, you know, speaking
as an old lawyer, you go back to the ordinary
meeting of the term, and I think they're going to
have a pretty tough time dismissing that lawsuit.
Speaker 2 (27:37):
I think if you're paying extra to sit next to
a window, then you expect a window, of course. But
if you are just simply oh, hangd on how much
you if you are simply choosing, you know, asle or
window and there's no window there, I'm not sure. I
think it's because they it's the money, because a lot
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of people want to go to the fuselage side. Would
you like ile or fuselage I mean, I reckon they
that would be one way murray of making it sound
really unappealing. But a lot of people go for the
for that seat, the fuselage window seat, because they want
to be able to sort of lean against it and
sort of have as well. But yeah, no, window a
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bit of a downer.
Speaker 3 (28:21):
I guess it depends that on the flight is But
if they, I mean if they and a few live
sets there that you think you have to sue any
alone because you didn't get a window seat. I mean,
anyone that's ever tried to get any money out of
them for losing their bags probably knows that it's not
that easy. So it seems very kind of litigious to me.
Speaker 2 (28:41):
It's a class action. It's a class so there's a
lot of people.
Speaker 3 (28:46):
I think someone's seen an opportunity there. I always use
seatguru dot com. I don't know if you know that website,
but that's that's my savior when I fly. What seatguru
do Well, it basically has a layout of every single
plane and you can choose your seat.
Speaker 2 (29:00):
So and what do you go for? Do you go
for leg room, aisle window.
Speaker 3 (29:04):
Leg room? Yeah, well, you know, some seats are better
than others just because you've got more If you choose
the right seat, you get more rooms.
Speaker 2 (29:11):
Are you an ile or a window kind of guy?
Speaker 4 (29:13):
Shana mate with wife and kids. I haven't had a
window in about ten years.
Speaker 2 (29:17):
No, it's actually weird. Does dad go because we've got
four of us in our family. So the girls go together,
my wife and my two daughters, So I get to
choose the aisle seat. I sort of sacrifice not being
able to stick next to my daughters. Dad's always a gentleman.
Are you what are you?
Speaker 3 (29:35):
You just travel without your family and you be fine?
Speaker 2 (29:37):
Oh my god. It takes some murry um. But I
got to say, I think that you're not really going
to lose us, aren't they?
Speaker 3 (29:47):
Because charging more money to provide a product that they
haven't provided. I'll default to the lawyer in the room,
but I would say that that's the grounds for a lawsuit.
Speaker 2 (29:57):
You're not a lawyer as well? A lawyer? Yeah? Are
Oh are you elapsed? Well, simon, I've still got my set.
But I don't really practice you mean much about the law?
Speaker 4 (30:06):
Yeah a little bit.
Speaker 2 (30:07):
Did you practice it at all?
Speaker 4 (30:08):
Yeah? Absolutely?
Speaker 2 (30:09):
How long?
Speaker 4 (30:10):
For about six years?
Speaker 2 (30:11):
Wow? You actually got to be quite useful then? Yeah,
I was.
Speaker 4 (30:15):
I was back in the days.
Speaker 2 (30:16):
What was your specialty?
Speaker 4 (30:18):
General practice? So I did a lot of employment. But
I've basically done every area.
Speaker 2 (30:22):
So when was it that you felt that you Because
when you get out of law school, you walk into
a law firm, you feel, God, I don't know anything,
and then maybe after a couple of years, how many
years before you actually felt I'm quite useful now?
Speaker 4 (30:35):
I don't know, do you ever really get there? I
don't know.
Speaker 2 (30:37):
I was wondering if it's like that when you're in council.
Did you have that apprenticeship time where you're sort of
just looking around going you know, there's that curve of
knowledge around how everything works. When did you think that
you were actually useful as a as a counselor.
Speaker 4 (30:50):
Yeah, you're expected to smash it from ball one, right,
but in reality, probably about a year. It takes you
to get used to things and yeah, get into it.
Speaker 2 (30:59):
I'm not sure if we can apply the same to
business that you've been in.
Speaker 3 (31:02):
Just well, I think if you do anything, the longer
you do it, hopefully the better you get at it.
Speaker 2 (31:08):
Indeed, I love that there's a thing called the which
I was. The reason I was asking about politics is
I think that politics a lot of a lot of
areas are There's a thing called the Dunning Kruger curve,
which means basically, the less experience you have, the more
confidence you have. Because you don't know enough to realize
how you don't know stuff, and then as you learn more,
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your confidence plummets until it gradually picks up again with experience.
Dunning Kruger applies to a lot of politicians and the broadcaster. Possibly,
but anyway, hey, this other one rotoras Kmart, now I
would know. I don't know how this is going to work.
So there's a trolley bond which is coming to New Zealand.
(31:50):
There's something that exists overseas. Sot Kmart has got sick
of losing its getting its trolleys sort of taken away
and trashed or just you know, ending up in someone's backyard.
So they're introducing a fifty cent bond to stop people
from basically pill foring it, making them invest fifty cents
(32:11):
in the Apparently it works, Murray.
Speaker 3 (32:14):
Well, no, it just doesn't seem like an awful lot,
Like if you really wanted to get a trolley, it's
like pretty cheap, really, isn't it fifty cents?
Speaker 2 (32:22):
Yeah, But I don't think people want. I think people
walk home with them and then can't be bothered returning them.
But there's something about, oh I put fifty cents on
that I better return it otherwise and I have to
pay another fifty cents to get another trolley. Shane, Well,
you've got to take on this.
Speaker 4 (32:36):
Yeah, I don't carry cash. I mean I would never
pay the fifty cents because I just never have it.
Speaker 2 (32:41):
I don't think it's cash, isn't Well, it's just something
you just have to It'll be like the ones in
the airline, you know when you airport's big airports overseas
where you have to like either put a euro coiner
or you have to like swipe in it or release
it and you can use it.
Speaker 3 (32:57):
Okay, But I mean, I know we said we weren't
going to talk about the homeless issue in Auckland. Oh yeah,
but there's a direct correlation between the number of trolleys
that are going missing because there's not many days that
go by that we don't see at least three or
four supermarket trolleys being used for I think they shouldn't be.
Speaker 2 (33:17):
Used for so barbecuing and other things and transporting your
whole life basically. Yeah, which you know now you said
you weren't going to talk about and I deliberately stayed
away from the trolley thing.
Speaker 3 (33:28):
It's just, you know, it just fell on my lap.
Speaker 2 (33:30):
Yeah, well, I've got to ask you now that you're
in the CBD and how do you think, how do
you think enlivening the CBD with opening the cr L
next year is going to impact the homeless issue? Are
you look at you look at me like, do I
say the truth? What I think? What do I say?
(33:51):
We talked about it off.
Speaker 3 (33:53):
Here and I said, you know, my concern is that
we're creating a whole lot of areas where they're going
to they're going to kind of congregate.
Speaker 2 (34:00):
Like London's Tube where you get home.
Speaker 3 (34:02):
People any large city in the world, like you walk
out of a major tube station or a train station
in it it is a bit of a Okay.
Speaker 2 (34:11):
That's a bit depressing. What do you reckon shame?
Speaker 4 (34:13):
Yeah, I'd sort of zoom out on it and look
at the housing reforms as well as the CRL that's
slated to produce a lot more housing supply in Auckland,
and that's eventually going to filter down and help people
all along that spectrum, including the homeless, but it's going
to take time.
Speaker 2 (34:28):
Do you have that Do you have the same issue
in Waitaki?
Speaker 4 (34:31):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (34:31):
Absolutely, Yeah.
Speaker 4 (34:32):
We have had an explosion in the homeless population as
the economic downturn set of bites.
Speaker 3 (34:38):
Yeah, and dare I say that'll be the issue and
road a row or two with the trolleys.
Speaker 2 (34:42):
Yeah, okay, happy days. We started off with something positive
with the tariff going. Now we're back on the homeless,
so well, we'll.
Speaker 3 (34:50):
Be back send that on a positive Okay. The CRL
will be a positive thing for Auckland. If the city
is busier, the issue won't seem so dramatic. The problem
we have at the moment someone that lives and works
in the city every day is that because the number
of people the city has dropped after COVID, the problem
is more visible. So if the city gets busy, there's
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more people around. Most rough sleepers don't like being around
a lot of people. They want to have privacy and
they want to be in their own area, which is fine,
that's head choice. But the problem is the city is
just not busy enough at the moment, so that's sort
of part of the problem.
Speaker 2 (35:24):
Is that almost part of the solution to the problem
is let's just I mean, it's chicken in the egg.
Make the city more vibrantsolutely whatever means possible. Good stuff. Okay,
we'll be back in just a moment. It is ten
and a half minutes to four News Talks. He'd be yes,
welcome back. This is the panel of my guests. I'm
Tim Beverage, my guests of Murray Crane and Shane Henderson.
(35:44):
Actually this story is almost a bit of a public
health announcement as well, but a bit of a worry
that this colored sand product sold by kmart tested positive
for asbestos. So there's an urgent recall notice. So if
you're listening to this, an urgent recall notice. It was
a product that was sold by Kmart. Anyone who's bought
this colored sand products stopped using them. But actually we
(36:06):
were just talking off air, Shane and you you think
you might have some of this stuff.
Speaker 4 (36:10):
Yeah, first thing I do when to get home is
I'm going to go and check that out, because goodness me,
it's carcinogen. So just make sure that everyone at home
checks out whether they have this and.
Speaker 2 (36:20):
Follow the reci So it's e C Rainbow Sand and
Create Creatistics. What's it a name is that? Anyway? It's
EC Rainbow Sand and Creatistics colored sand, which has been
sold at retailers including Paper Plus, Hobbyland, en Z Schoolshop,
office products depots, discount office, acquir and Quizzle or Kizzle
or whatever like that. So yeah, in fact, I think
(36:42):
before you, I don't know, you're not supposed to just
dispose of it yourself. I'm not sure it's supposed to do.
But look up what I think you call the council. Oh,
all right, that should be easy enough for you. Or
just call Shane for your life book. It's a bit
of a worry, isn't it. Hey, Look, we've just got
a couple of minutes to go. It is the story
(37:03):
that keeps on giving. But I noticed that the latest
with the whole Epstein thing, that it's been thousands of
emails released and all this sort of stuff. I can't
keep up with it, but Trump wants them to. Has
instructed the Justice Department requested that they investigate particular banks
and Bill Clinton, which does look a little bit like,
(37:24):
oh look over there, over there, over.
Speaker 3 (37:25):
There, classic Trump.
Speaker 2 (37:27):
Eventually something's going to come out. I guess if there
is anything, he's just trying to postpone it until he's
either out of the presidency or always carct it.
Speaker 4 (37:36):
Murray.
Speaker 3 (37:38):
He just lives in his own reality, like he think
I mean it's an alternative truth whatever's been told. So,
I mean where they smoke this fire?
Speaker 2 (37:47):
Yeah, what do you reckon, Shane?
Speaker 4 (37:49):
Yeah, Look, it's his political instinct as Trump is to
get on the attack and try and get ahead of things.
And I think this is what he's doing before. But
look at I mean for him to come out and
say that there must be something there goodness to worry.
Speaker 2 (38:01):
Yeah, but it's one of those conversations that's just gone.
Here's my take on it. I reckon that even if
there's something really bad, like Prince Andrew is bad and
Mount Batten winds are bad, then somehow I don't think
it would really people want to be that surprised support Trump.
They'll be unsurprised and they won't care. People people's positions
(38:25):
are so entrenched.
Speaker 3 (38:26):
When he's already had a very similar lawsuit for something.
Speaker 2 (38:28):
Very Oh that's right, that's right. Not to mention the
hot mic moment radio. Yeah, anyway, Hey guys, thanks so
much for coming in. Thanks to what's the week looking?
You're going to be getting up early to watch the
go the AB You get up four o'clock you have
to or else, you know, the remotes just there.
Speaker 3 (38:45):
You just want to push it, you know, it's.
Speaker 2 (38:47):
That time of the morning. I did it last week
when I rolled over Lasily and I just had a
look at my phone to see if there was other news.
I wasn't even thinking about it and saw the result
of the game. Again.
Speaker 3 (38:59):
Got to be in real time.
Speaker 2 (39:00):
It's the only way to watch it, Shane.
Speaker 4 (39:01):
I'm going to watch it until lay mate. I like
my sleep in too much.
Speaker 2 (39:06):
And go the silver Fings as well. Absolutely, thanks very much. Guys.
By the way, if you missed any of this hour
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the bits you need to make sure really in order
when it comes to sorting out your property for sale,
and if someone has the upper hand, is that the
sellers or the buyers? How do you drive a hard bargain?
What's the key? Oh, eight hundred and eighty ten to
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Speaker 1 (01:24):
Tim Beveridge on the Weekend Collective called eight hundred eighty
ten eighty news Talk z B.
Speaker 2 (01:30):
Yes, and now look I always try and say something
about the order, whether it's age before beauty or good
before evil, but really let's just go with the white's
printed out on the piece of paper here. He is
founder of Crane Brothers. He is brother one and brother
two really at the business, I think Crane Brothers. It's
Murray Crane good a Murray. How are you going?
Speaker 3 (01:47):
I'm very well? Thanks for having me back.
Speaker 2 (01:50):
Yeah, things, how are things in the CBD these days?
And you've just come from work, haven't you?
Speaker 3 (01:54):
I have just come from a high street. Yes, it's
always there's always something going on.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
Are you looking forward to the CRL opening? Do you
think it'll make a difference to the vibe.
Speaker 3 (02:07):
Yes, I think I think it will change the dynamic
of the city and positively yes, for the for the
for the greater good of the city.
Speaker 2 (02:15):
Definitely excellent, excellent. And that was the answer that our
next guest is looking for because he hasn't been on
the show for a while because last time we were
going to have him on we realized we couldn't have
mine because he was in the middle of a local
body election and he's counselor for Wait Tarkty and his
name is Shane Henderson. Shane, how you going get a
gato back? Hey? So obviously you won? Yea? How much
did you win by?
Speaker 4 (02:36):
About seven and a half thousand? Not too bad?
Speaker 2 (02:38):
Yeah? Yeah? Is that that's that course? Are you are
allowed to say you're feeling quite smug about the result?
Speaker 4 (02:44):
Honestly, maybe a little smug. But you know, west Auckland
has have a way of bringing their back down to
earth too, do they they do?
Speaker 2 (02:49):
How do they bring you down? When you've got a
seven and a half thousand majority? You can just look
at them and go, hey, mate, I can afford to
lose one or two votes and you might be one
of them. See you later.
Speaker 4 (02:57):
No way, no way, you just using the city anyway?
Speaker 2 (03:02):
What is there much of a different vibe at the
council now that you're all sort of how many changes
are the guards have there?
Speaker 4 (03:08):
But it's really upbeat mate. Actually we've got five new
counselors and they've just stepped straight in and they're really
excited and that kind of excitements of it infect you say, so, yeah,
we just can't wait to get started and get into
the bigger shees good stuff.
Speaker 2 (03:20):
Good on you, right, Well should we get into it,
by the way, let's start with a bit of good
news that because often it's you know, we go for
the contentious, heavy sort of stuff, and you know, you've
we've got to try to avoid feeling too much, too
blum about news. But this is a bit of good
news with the US removing its beef tariff. That now
that beef is going to be paying a tariff of
less than one percent, which is under the WTO country
(03:44):
specific rate quota. We don't know about lamb yet, but
that's a drop from fifteen percent to less than one percent.
You bit of a beef fan, Murray, big beef fan,
big beef, grass or grain feed grass grass. Yeah, that's
good that. I mean, we new Zealander is really it's
the American thing. I think they like the grain fed.
Speaker 3 (04:01):
They definitely like our beef, which that's good.
Speaker 2 (04:03):
Yeah. What do you think it's brought this around? Because
it hasn't felt like there's been much maneuver room until
all of a sudden there is.
Speaker 3 (04:11):
Well, as we know in politics, there's probably been some
kind of trade.
Speaker 2 (04:16):
I reckon, what do you think they're running out of
burger beef over in the States because they do like
their burgers?
Speaker 3 (04:22):
They do, and they've had a lockdown or shut down
or whatever they call it.
Speaker 2 (04:26):
Now, God don't say lockdown. Will be traumatized. What do
you reckon, Shane?
Speaker 4 (04:30):
Yeah, yeah, no, US production's cratering. They're just not producing
enough for the demand, so they need people to supply it.
Luckily we're here being.
Speaker 2 (04:39):
Go well and also bravo.
Speaker 3 (04:40):
I mean, our farmers work incredibly hard, so they deserve
whatever they can get.
Speaker 2 (04:44):
I don't know if I don't know which officials of
ours will deserve credit, whether it's just the luck of
the draw, but we do have very hard working people
on this, you know, behind the scenes, so they'll be
celebrating anyway, So good on them, right there we go.
We just thought we'd to have a touch on that
out of the anyway. From I don't know, how do
they have a next one? Yeah? Anyway, So it's been
(05:08):
a big week for the police with the disgraced former
Deputy Police Commissioner Jevin mcskimming his reputations in tatters, but
there are a few others who follow him because of
what could broadly be described of a cover up where
the accusations by miss z were well basically covered up
(05:28):
and it took some bravery from other police behind the
scenes to bring it to the fore. What did you
make of the whole thing, Shane?
Speaker 4 (05:33):
Yeah, the IPCA report was really damning, wasn't it. It
showed systemic failings and it's really scary for the police
because they rely on that public trust to actually operate
properly and that's been damaged.
Speaker 2 (05:44):
Yeah, what do you reckon, Murray? Because I sort of
feel that the police under Costa the leadership has a
terrible look. But it's a new leadership and the Richard Chambers,
the police commissioner now has led pretty strongly with it,
isn't he.
Speaker 3 (06:00):
Yeah, Richard Chambers and Mark Mitchell. I think you're both
doing a pretty good job.
Speaker 2 (06:04):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (06:05):
I mean the sad thing for me, and the thing
that hasn't really been touched on, is that any kind
of addiction, whether it's alcohol or porn, that's a mental
health issue, and I don't really feel like that's been
touched on at all. And the guy was obviously struggling, right,
he was having a lot of problems, and I think
that any large organization should have the ability to be
able to deal with those things. And that's obviously a
(06:26):
major failing that they've got, which we're seeing in the police.
We're also seeing it in Army Navy. So that's kind
of to me, that's the issue that I think they
need to really be Obviously, it's a very stressful job,
high stress. They work incredibly hard and they're under an
amazing amount of pressure. But I mean, as soon as
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I saw that come out, I just thought, you know,
that's a mental health thing. It's okay, it's a stress things.
Speaker 2 (06:53):
It's brought on by a whole lot of factors. Yeah. Actually, yeah,
you're probably right actually in terms of everyone's been because
the up there's been the group outrage about it, but
I don't get I guess in a way that outrage
has shifted to the way the police handled it, haven't
they shame.
Speaker 4 (07:09):
Yeah, absolutely, and yeah there's been also a bit of outrage.
It's just come out recently that he's been paying into
his pension the whole time. So we don't know how
sentencing is going to come next next month, but there's
a chance he could be set up for quite a
big payout back from the pension, and there's been some
rumblings about that in the public too. Skimming Old Costa
is sorry, Mike skimming, I'm skipping and.
Speaker 3 (07:29):
Both of them.
Speaker 2 (07:30):
I guess the thing is if you pay into your pinch. Look,
if you pay into your pension, it's money you put in,
and that's just the way it is. I think the
most important thing is that, well, that we learn what
went on and that it never happens again when it
comes to the instructions of senior police to basically try
and sweep the whole thing under the carpet. I think
that's the big that has become the big story. Really.
Speaker 3 (07:52):
Yeah, it definitely got a lot worse than it should
have probably been hindsight for them too, But I don't.
I mean, I'd be very surprised if it was an
isolated issue. Give them the stress that those guys are under.
Speaker 2 (08:02):
Yeah, what do you do you think? How do you
feel that people are going to feel about police leadership?
So we've had you know, obviously Andrew Costa's reputation has
been basically destroyed. Yeah. Absolutely, But now he's no longer
police commissioner. I was thinking to myself, imagine if this
issue had come up while he was still a police commissioner.
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The damage to the police would have been catastrophic really
if he was still there. But do you think how
do you balance that between the new leadership and the
way people might respond to Richard chambers handling of the issue.
Speaker 4 (08:38):
Yeah, it seems like Chambers is doing a good job,
and the Minister stepped in as well, appointing the Inspector
General and has really been taking this seriously because the
IPC air report did show systemic failing, so this isn't
just potentially one issue. There's broader culture issues that they've
got to sort out. So I'm just glad they're sorting
it out.
Speaker 2 (08:55):
Yeah, Murray, any follow up on your.
Speaker 3 (08:57):
Well, I think they're doing the right thing. They're owning it,
so hopefully the things are saying are actually going to happen.
I think that's what everyone will be.
Speaker 2 (09:05):
Actually, did you see that Chambers was owning up at
a at a at a graduation ceremony for police for
having been busted speeding at arder twelve. It's the dumbest
thing he's ever done us.
Speaker 3 (09:16):
But that could just be a great pr two.
Speaker 2 (09:18):
I well, actually that's what here. I think Heather was
saying that that's that's a deliberate sort of statement to
send him like this is the worst you're going to
hear for me as a speeding five of one hundred
and twelve. He did really sort of say what a
terrible thing it was he'd done. And I'm thinking, well,
I don't know one hundred and twelve, You know what
do you reckon? Shame?
Speaker 4 (09:36):
Everyone makes mistakes. That's glad that he's got it out,
though I think it might have been.
Speaker 3 (09:39):
And at least he wasn't on his phone watching porn.
Speaker 2 (09:42):
No, oh my god. Indeed, indeed, what we say when
we feel a bit uncomfortable. Indeed, anyway, now to party
Mari Saga with the MP's have been expelled from to
party Mari, Marimino, Kapaki and takey to Ferris have gone.
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I don't know what the procedure has been, but the
state of the party politics. I'll go you shame with
this first, because I'll be honest, I find it hard
to get too excited about this because eventually something will
be sorted out and it will go to an election.
And I don't know, I just maybe it's because I
think that I haven't had a lot of time for
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the leadership of Taparty Mari myself anyway, and I'm not
part of their constituency. What would they care? But how
damaging is this ultimately going to be? And can something
emerge from the ashes of all of this? Do you think?
Speaker 4 (10:36):
Yeah? I mean, we're seeing some polling that's had them dipping,
you know, so it is having some effect, And you know,
it seems like one of those arguments where you do
something when you shouldn't be doing something, you don't do
something when you should. It just seems that everything has
gone completely wrong, and maybe they need to focus on
putting their heads down and starting to focus on the
election and get into that reset as they've been sort
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of saying they're doing.
Speaker 2 (10:59):
What about labor. Do you think they'll be licking their
lips trying to get those seats back?
Speaker 4 (11:02):
Who knows? Who knows? Yeah, it cans been in the
public saying, look, they've got a ways to go to
kind of rebuild, build some of that confidence in the
elector dah, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (11:11):
What do you reckon, Mary? Do you reckon that they
can rebuild? Because I think out of the ashes you
just need you can always get someone who's suddenly kept
people's imagination. You know, we have brief attention spans for
this stuff.
Speaker 3 (11:22):
I think I think it's I think it's obviously challenging
to be in my minority party in an MMP environment.
I mean, they're pulling it less than five percent. And
let's remember they're not the first party to kind of implode.
I mean, we've all seen political parties implode in New
Zealand politics in the past. And I think that it's
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just everything's just so much more visible now, Like media
is so much faster. Everything's on display to party Maori
like being in the media, So the visibility is a
lot higher, and I think the problems the launder gets
hered a lot faster, and it accelerates and the problem
just becomes bigger and messier.
Speaker 2 (12:05):
Yeah, I thought you were about to quote Oscar wild there.
What is it. There's only one thing in the world
worse than being talked about, and that is not being
talked about.
Speaker 3 (12:11):
But I don't know, I think some politics.
Speaker 2 (12:15):
Does it work?
Speaker 4 (12:15):
In politics, they can do it. Seems like that they've
got a bit of a culture of wanting to get
everything out in the public and in the open. It
might be maybe not such a good idea at the moment.
Speaker 2 (12:27):
I yeah, you know, I tend to think that the
biggest problem that they've got is that they've got a
number of MP's in there and they haven't had a
I don't know, have they had a single policy win
where they've put something forward, work with the government on something.
Because it seems to me that most of the politics
from at least Rawy Ytt and others has been performative
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that they actually haven't. They don't strike me as serious politicians.
Is that too harsh, Murray?
Speaker 3 (12:55):
I think it's mildly harsh. I think I think. I mean,
Mario culture is very tribal and very kind of broke
like that, it's very kind of it's lots of small
little silos of people doing different things. I mean, that's
that's that's the culture that they have. If you look
at New Zealand as a whole, you're trying to put
all that together in one under one umbrella. It's I
think it's always going to be challenging.
Speaker 2 (13:16):
I think that pretty much nails in many respects because
a lot of the time there's this narrative that people
want to create that Marydam's just like it's like one
big Disney movie. And yet there are something there within
that culture, and there are various different tribal affiliations as
Mary said, and rivalries and while obviously they're not all
on the same page, are they.
Speaker 4 (13:35):
Well, we need to not forget that these are electorate
inmps as well, and there's an argument out there that look,
if we're being excluded, our entire people are being excluded,
and that's quite a powerful and mode of argument. Very
hard to sort of figure out how to get through that.
Speaker 2 (13:48):
Yeah, it's going to make that entertaining election. I guess,
Oh how long is it away?
Speaker 3 (13:52):
Also, maybe just to add there right at the end,
I've got good friends that are that a mai. Oh,
I know that sounds very racist.
Speaker 2 (14:03):
But what we can't say some of my best friends, which.
Speaker 3 (14:06):
In the context that they you know that they say
quite quite openly that the Murray Party doesn't represent Murray.
So you know, it's not just a blanket party to
represent Maury. Yeah, it's a political party.
Speaker 2 (14:19):
So and within there there's a whole I mean, there's
a whole range of people. I mean that Marah vote
for National Marin's whatever.
Speaker 3 (14:26):
So you got to remember that as well.
Speaker 2 (14:28):
Right, Okay, we're going to take quick break. We'll be
back in just a moment. We're let to have a
chat about the gun law and also the drug screening,
what they're going to be doing, whether we're in fans
of that or not. This is the Weekend Collective, the panel.
We'll be back in just the tickets twenty two past three. Yes,
welcome back to the Weekend Collective. My panelists to Murray
Crane he's the founder of Crane Brothers or are tailors
in the heart of Auckland City. And Shane Henderson, he's
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counselor for Why Tarkety with a majority as he as
he I did ask him, he didn't shove it down
the thread of seven and a half thousand, but that
is quite a majority anyway, and would explain the festive
shirt that he's wearing today. You'll just have to make
up your own mind when your imagination what he's how's
how he's lock anyway is going to try and describe
the flowers on it. But by we'll move on, shall
we now? I reckon this next story, the gun law
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shake up. So Nicole McKee has revealed some shake up
to the gun laws. I reckon Shane. The most exciting
thing about this story is probably the headline, because there's
nothing that really is objectionable. The gun lobby won't be
quite happy, won't be totally happy themselves because they're still
going to be a register and they don't want the register.
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They've made changes probably the two of the big ones.
The police are no longer to be going to be
in charge of it, which in the wake of recent headlines,
no one's going to get too excited about. There's going
to be a specialist regulatory agency. And there's changes to
the rules about you don't have you can keep your
guns elsewhere than your residents. And the only one that
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would make me nervous on that one would be safe.
For instance, technically you could if you were a student,
you could take your gun and keep it in your
locker and a safe in your dormitory, which does make
me a little nervous just in terms of but it
seems to me to be largely pragmatic. Hasn't you got
any objections to this?
Speaker 4 (16:12):
Yeah, no, no objections. I think what's not in there
is the interesting bit the semi automatic weapons. There were
some concerns they would be brought back or loosened, and
that's not there. The gun register that's not there either,
So it seems fairly pragmatic.
Speaker 2 (16:27):
Yeah, Murray, you have a hot take on this. Some
of your best friends would be fire arm owners. We don't.
I sorry, I let me switch your mic on.
Speaker 3 (16:38):
I don't really know a lot about it, to be honest.
I mean, I mean I know that you know, we
obviously live in a rural country where there's a lot
of rural people who own guns and use them for
the right reasons. It was a lot of people that hunt,
so again it's one of those laws that's probably you know,
disadvantaging the ninety six percent for the four percent. But
I know that the whole firearmisure is changing dramatically if
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you're looking at the fact that guns can now be
made with the three D print. They've got some laws
about that, you know, like the whole thing. It's a movement.
Excuse the parents and a moving target. Tom.
Speaker 2 (17:13):
Thank you, Mary, just that's something you prepared earlier.
Speaker 3 (17:15):
I just made that up on the floor.
Speaker 2 (17:16):
Oh, well done. You. Actually there is something about that.
They have legislated, something about shooting from them not allowed
to basically make a gun, for a start. But I
always think that there's a These headlines provide probably a
gut reaction for people who either pro or anti guns,
But I just remind myself that, you know, it's not
the legal firearm owners who are the problem. It's the
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illicit guns, isn't it. Shane.
Speaker 4 (17:40):
Yeah, absolutely, And that was the concern was that if
you were to loosen up some of those laws, you'd
have more access to people that are not really going
to follow the rules. So you know, that hasn't happened,
and that's pretty good. But look, I was surprised. I
saw it in the Guardian, I saw it in the
AP News, these screaming headlines, and it didn't seem.
Speaker 2 (17:56):
Like there was much to it. Yeah, That's why I say,
I think it's just a gun law's shake up, and
if you are strongly on one opinion or another, you're
instant triggered before you've even heard what it is. Triggered triggered. Yeah,
I didn't thank you, Murray. That was an unintentional moment
of genius. Anyway, Okay, Well onto the next one. Now,
the drug screening that's going to happen roadside. It's going
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to be roadside drug screening scheme kicks off next month.
I think they're starting in Wellington and it's going to
be screening offices are going to be basically able to
screen for THHC. That's cannabis, methamphetamine, ecstasy and cocaine. And
if you do blow or swab, actually swab, they take
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a scrape of your tongue or something, which does feel
like it makes the police officer's jobs just got that
little less pleasant, didn't they. But I look a lot
of countries are doing and I think we're getting on
board with it. What do you reckon, Murray?
Speaker 3 (18:55):
Is this the first time that they've been able to
test for drug drug injuice driving or is it just
an advance on.
Speaker 2 (19:04):
It's a screen where that I think actually, I don't
know whether they've been able to send you off if
they think you're high and get your tested. But this
is just a screening thing where they can set up
a road thing and you know, everyone stick your tongue out,
swipe it and away you go.
Speaker 3 (19:19):
I mean, I think it's good obviously the police. It's
probably something they've been aware of in the past when
I've tested for alcohol.
Speaker 2 (19:27):
Well, I mean a lot of people. There's been the
discussion around alcohol all the time, is that people are
being able to drive as high as a kite and
just sail through a breath testing point.
Speaker 4 (19:35):
Shane, Yeah, it seems common sense to me. I mean,
thirty percent of all fatal crashes involving impair and drug
that's insane. I was so surprised to see that. But
I'm glad they're trialing it as well, because there has
been some concern out there that it's testing people and
that will pick up previous use, not necessarily current I'm
being impaired use. I don't know about that so much though, Well, I.
Speaker 2 (19:58):
Don't want to generalize with a constituency out from west Auckland.
Have you had any feedback.
Speaker 4 (20:05):
You are Land.
Speaker 2 (20:10):
Look, if you want to drive, then don't. If you
if you want to use marijuana or whatever drug and
you've taken it the day before, well don't drive. I
mean that's the choice you make.
Speaker 3 (20:20):
Is it going to happen?
Speaker 2 (20:21):
Well, if you get pinged for it, you're going to
change your mind pretty quickly, aren't you. I think the
other one is there was a discussion around prescription drugs
that might be picked up in the subsequent testing, but
also those if I if I remember rightly, is that
a lot of prescription drugs they do not drive well
under the influence, And so I don't know if there
should be an exception for prescription drugs for the ones
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that say you should not be driving under this. If
it picks you up, then I don't know any any objection, guys.
Speaker 3 (20:49):
I think the only objection that I can see would
be that you are you're taking someone's DNA, if you're
taking a saliva swab. So I'm sure that they've got
some fairly good You need to call me a someplace
around that you need, but you would hope.
Speaker 2 (21:02):
Two am in the morning on overnight Talk, Murray, I
do know that's that you've just mentioned something that could
get the phones ringing hot they take it, it's where
you are. They're just taking our DNA. I think it
depends what they do with the samples if yeah, But
actually I guess that's a fair enough that if it's longest,
they're just testing for the drugs and then destroying after
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a certain period of time. But if they're I mean,
if they take it off and go let's take a
sample of DNA, just think Actually, sorry, I was going
to write that off. You were I was completely going
to write it off, but I I don't have enough information.
But the potential is, you know, they've found a body
in a bag, you know, somewhere, and they and they've
got the DNA sample. We'll set up a roadblock and
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test drug What do you reckon? Actually I don't know.
Speaker 1 (21:51):
Around there.
Speaker 2 (21:51):
I just love that potential. Well it's not that's conspiracy ish,
but maybe I don't know, Shane.
Speaker 4 (22:00):
With any rule, you have to trust that they're going
to follow it, right, that's the only thing. But there
are rules around.
Speaker 2 (22:04):
Yeah, the other ones, well, yeah, I guess so, mind
you you'd have to explain where you got the DNA
sample from if you ever did find someone who. Here's
the thing, if you did catch a murderer because you
happened to be yes, that is a tricky one.
Speaker 3 (22:19):
You robbed the louver or something, and we've got your
DNA on file away. I arrested you for drug driving
and I know that was.
Speaker 2 (22:28):
We went slately to discuss this. But you know, did
you guys catch up with the louver?
Speaker 3 (22:31):
The password?
Speaker 2 (22:32):
No? No? Oh, password is louver No. You know that
photo that went viral millions of people viewing when they
showed a photo of the police outside the louver, there
was a guy standing with a fedora and a you know,
he was in a buttoned up vest in her suit.
He looked like Hercule poiro Did you hear about what that? Who?
That was?
Speaker 3 (22:52):
No?
Speaker 2 (22:52):
So it went viral and it was actually a fifteen
year old boy who was literally just walking past. And
he likes to dress up in that retro style when
he goes to do something important, and he was going
to the louver where I think either his parents or grandparents,
and he was wearing his fedora friend and he was
dressed like he was straight out of Crane Brothers are
retro Crane brothers. But it was just and he said,
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he kept quiet for a while, and then his friend
he didn't know initially, and his family said, you're famous,
And eventually he outed himself and there's an interview with him,
a fifteen year old boy, and everyone's like, who's the
mysterious man? And anyway, I just love those quirky little
stories where the truth is stranger than whatever we might
imagine it to be. Now, look this next story, the
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story of the Wimbledon tavern that has closed to locals,
with its owner saying that an evil community around it
may keeping the doors open unviable. So he is Eric Gathercole,
and he's owned this tavern and tara Uh it's about
twenty kilometers south of oh Hell poort Angahoe since twenty eighteen.
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So he looks like from what I've seen in the story,
that he might have or the venue fell foul of
the locals when he hosted a bash for the mongrel mob.
Now I say it out loud. When I was reading it,
I was thinking, oh no, actually, now I say it
out loud, that probably was the root of the problem,
was it.
Speaker 4 (24:16):
Yeah, I think so, I mean, and it's a business decision, right,
Like he's losing money handover fist on this historic building
he's got to pay to maintain and he's not getting
any cash in. So that was what his explanation was,
as well as to why he hosted the Mongrel while
he needs the cash.
Speaker 2 (24:30):
I sort of, you know, I sort of feel I mean,
I don't know this guy, and he's described the locals
as evil, etc. But I sort of just feel sympathetic
to him because he's a guy who probably had this
dream of when he opened the pub, of restoring it
and hopefully everylone would roll in. And it's just a
story about how he's tried, had to crack at a business.
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He's poured a lot of money into it and he struggled,
and if he's a bit angry and feeling a bit
disenfranchised from the community, I think that's sort of a
human reaction. I sort of feel, Okay, you shouldn't call
it you locals evil, but I also feel sympathetic to
just the fact here's a guy whose dreams haven't really materialized.
Speaker 3 (25:08):
Murray, Well, welcome to being in business. That's pretty tough,
you know. Yeah, so there's always a reason why things
don't work, and sometimes you've just got to kind of
make that makes sense in your own head before you
can kind of deal with that, I guess.
Speaker 2 (25:25):
So I wonder if he might be regretting hosting the
annual meeting for the Mongol Mobs Barbarians, because I think
there was a question on I mean, this is one
of those stories where you see some of the external
facts and you just love to know a little bit
more local knowledge about how everyone feels about it. But
it's sort of I'm sure there's I don't think it's
just a sorry tale of someone's business not working on it.
I mean, he'd be one of many, wouldn't he.
Speaker 4 (25:47):
I mean, did you see the locals came out though,
and that they fired back at him and they said, look,
we don't owe you our patronage, you know. So there's
kind of two sides to that. But yeah, I think
there is a maybe a broader story. There are rural
taverns doing it tough at the moment, tough.
Speaker 3 (26:02):
Gig, especially if you're not from the area and you
and I mean you've got to win the locals over right, Yeah,
the ore the ones that are going to support you evenly.
Speaker 2 (26:11):
Sort of road trip taverns where you go past and
you always got to pull in somewhere.
Speaker 3 (26:14):
They're drinking drinking now, no, no, no, sorry, no, that's right.
Speaker 2 (26:19):
No, if you're passing through, you're not going to be.
But you know there there are a bit I wonder
if there would almost be a road trip with famous
sort of venues that you can go and popping. You
don't have to drink your well, you shouldn't be drinking
driving full stop, but your passengers might of course. Murray, yeah, yeah, anyway,
Look we're going to take a break. We'll be back
in just a moment. It's twenty three minutes to four
news talk z B. Yes, welcome back to the Weekend Collective.
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My panelists Murray Crane he's the founder of Crane Brothers,
and Shane Henderson, who is the smug member for a
council for Why Tarkty. Given as majority that you got
in there, guys, this is quite a fascinating one and
I haven't worked at what I think of this story.
But the windowless window seats, so United Airlines is asked
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a federal judge to dismiss it's a lawsuit. So somebody's
literally taken United to because they basically pay extra money
to sit in window seats that, to their surprise, lacked windows,
so they were sort of like fuse large seats, which
doesn't sound so sexy, does it, Shane, No, it's.
Speaker 4 (27:23):
A bit cute really from United. I think they're basically
saying that your window seat is the one that's next
to the wall, and you go back, you know, speaking
as an old lawyer, you go back to the ordinary
meeting of the term, and I think they're going to
have a pretty tough time dismissing that lawsuit.
Speaker 2 (27:37):
I think if you're paying extra to sit next to
a window, then you expect a window, of course. But
if you are just simply oh, hangd on how much
you if you are simply choosing, you know, asle or
window and there's no window there, I'm not sure. I
think it's because they it's the money, because a lot
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of people want to go to the fuselage side. Would
you like ile or fuselage I mean, I reckon they
that would be one way murray of making it sound
really unappealing. But a lot of people go for the
for that seat, the fuselage window seat, because they want
to be able to sort of lean against it and
sort of have as well. But yeah, no, window a
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bit of a downer.
Speaker 3 (28:21):
I guess it depends that on the flight is But
if they, I mean if they and a few live
sets there that you think you have to sue any
alone because you didn't get a window seat. I mean,
anyone that's ever tried to get any money out of
them for losing their bags probably knows that it's not
that easy. So it seems very kind of litigious to me.
Speaker 2 (28:41):
It's a class action. It's a class so there's a
lot of people.
Speaker 3 (28:46):
I think someone's seen an opportunity there. I always use
seatguru dot com. I don't know if you know that website,
but that's that's my savior when I fly. What seatguru
do Well, it basically has a layout of every single
plane and you can choose your seat.
Speaker 2 (29:00):
So and what do you go for? Do you go
for leg room, aisle window.
Speaker 3 (29:04):
Leg room? Yeah, well, you know, some seats are better
than others just because you've got more If you choose
the right seat, you get more rooms.
Speaker 2 (29:11):
Are you an ile or a window kind of guy?
Speaker 4 (29:13):
Shana mate with wife and kids. I haven't had a
window in about ten years.
Speaker 2 (29:17):
No, it's actually weird. Does dad go because we've got
four of us in our family. So the girls go together,
my wife and my two daughters, So I get to
choose the aisle seat. I sort of sacrifice not being
able to stick next to my daughters. Dad's always a gentleman.
Are you what are you?
Speaker 3 (29:35):
You just travel without your family and you be fine?
Speaker 2 (29:37):
Oh my god. It takes some murry um. But I
got to say, I think that you're not really going
to lose us, aren't they?
Speaker 3 (29:47):
Because charging more money to provide a product that they
haven't provided. I'll default to the lawyer in the room,
but I would say that that's the grounds for a lawsuit.
Speaker 2 (29:57):
You're not a lawyer as well? A lawyer? Yeah? Are
Oh are you elapsed? Well, simon, I've still got my set.
But I don't really practice you mean much about the law?
Speaker 4 (30:06):
Yeah a little bit.
Speaker 2 (30:07):
Did you practice it at all?
Speaker 4 (30:08):
Yeah? Absolutely?
Speaker 2 (30:09):
How long?
Speaker 4 (30:10):
For about six years?
Speaker 2 (30:11):
Wow? You actually got to be quite useful then? Yeah,
I was.
Speaker 4 (30:15):
I was back in the days.
Speaker 2 (30:16):
What was your specialty?
Speaker 4 (30:18):
General practice? So I did a lot of employment. But
I've basically done every area.
Speaker 2 (30:22):
So when was it that you felt that you Because
when you get out of law school, you walk into
a law firm, you feel, God, I don't know anything,
and then maybe after a couple of years, how many
years before you actually felt I'm quite useful now?
Speaker 4 (30:35):
I don't know, do you ever really get there? I
don't know.
Speaker 2 (30:37):
I was wondering if it's like that when you're in council.
Did you have that apprenticeship time where you're sort of
just looking around going you know, there's that curve of
knowledge around how everything works. When did you think that
you were actually useful as a as a counselor.
Speaker 4 (30:50):
Yeah, you're expected to smash it from ball one, right,
but in reality, probably about a year. It takes you
to get used to things and yeah, get into it.
Speaker 2 (30:59):
I'm not sure if we can apply the same to
business that you've been in.
Speaker 3 (31:02):
Just well, I think if you do anything, the longer
you do it, hopefully the better you get at it.
Speaker 2 (31:08):
Indeed, I love that there's a thing called the which
I was. The reason I was asking about politics is
I think that politics a lot of a lot of
areas are There's a thing called the Dunning Kruger curve,
which means basically, the less experience you have, the more
confidence you have. Because you don't know enough to realize
how you don't know stuff, and then as you learn more,
(31:30):
your confidence plummets until it gradually picks up again with experience.
Dunning Kruger applies to a lot of politicians and the broadcaster. Possibly,
but anyway, hey, this other one rotoras Kmart, now I
would know. I don't know how this is going to work.
So there's a trolley bond which is coming to New Zealand.
(31:50):
There's something that exists overseas. Sot Kmart has got sick
of losing its getting its trolleys sort of taken away
and trashed or just you know, ending up in someone's backyard.
So they're introducing a fifty cent bond to stop people
from basically pill foring it, making them invest fifty cents
(32:11):
in the Apparently it works, Murray.
Speaker 3 (32:14):
Well, no, it just doesn't seem like an awful lot,
Like if you really wanted to get a trolley, it's
like pretty cheap, really, isn't it fifty cents?
Speaker 2 (32:22):
Yeah, But I don't think people want. I think people
walk home with them and then can't be bothered returning them.
But there's something about, oh I put fifty cents on
that I better return it otherwise and I have to
pay another fifty cents to get another trolley. Shane, Well,
you've got to take on this.
Speaker 4 (32:36):
Yeah, I don't carry cash. I mean I would never
pay the fifty cents because I just never have it.
Speaker 2 (32:41):
I don't think it's cash, isn't Well, it's just something
you just have to It'll be like the ones in
the airline, you know when you airport's big airports overseas
where you have to like either put a euro coiner
or you have to like swipe in it or release
it and you can use it.
Speaker 3 (32:57):
Okay, But I mean, I know we said we weren't
going to talk about the homeless issue in Auckland. Oh yeah,
but there's a direct correlation between the number of trolleys
that are going missing because there's not many days that
go by that we don't see at least three or
four supermarket trolleys being used for I think they shouldn't be.
Speaker 2 (33:17):
Used for so barbecuing and other things and transporting your
whole life basically. Yeah, which you know now you said
you weren't going to talk about and I deliberately stayed
away from the trolley thing.
Speaker 3 (33:28):
It's just, you know, it just fell on my lap.
Speaker 2 (33:30):
Yeah, well, I've got to ask you now that you're
in the CBD and how do you think, how do
you think enlivening the CBD with opening the cr L
next year is going to impact the homeless issue? Are
you look at you look at me like, do I
say the truth? What I think? What do I say?
(33:51):
We talked about it off.
Speaker 3 (33:53):
Here and I said, you know, my concern is that
we're creating a whole lot of areas where they're going
to they're going to kind of congregate.
Speaker 2 (34:00):
Like London's Tube where you get home.
Speaker 3 (34:02):
People any large city in the world, like you walk
out of a major tube station or a train station
in it it is a bit of a Okay.
Speaker 2 (34:11):
That's a bit depressing. What do you reckon shame?
Speaker 4 (34:13):
Yeah, I'd sort of zoom out on it and look
at the housing reforms as well as the CRL that's
slated to produce a lot more housing supply in Auckland,
and that's eventually going to filter down and help people
all along that spectrum, including the homeless, but it's going
to take time.
Speaker 2 (34:28):
Do you have that Do you have the same issue
in Waitaki?
Speaker 4 (34:31):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (34:31):
Absolutely, Yeah.
Speaker 4 (34:32):
We have had an explosion in the homeless population as
the economic downturn set of bites.
Speaker 3 (34:38):
Yeah, and dare I say that'll be the issue and
road a row or two with the trolleys.
Speaker 2 (34:42):
Yeah, okay, happy days. We started off with something positive
with the tariff going. Now we're back on the homeless,
so well, we'll.
Speaker 3 (34:50):
Be back send that on a positive Okay. The CRL
will be a positive thing for Auckland. If the city
is busier, the issue won't seem so dramatic. The problem
we have at the moment someone that lives and works
in the city every day is that because the number
of people the city has dropped after COVID, the problem
is more visible. So if the city gets busy, there's
(35:11):
more people around. Most rough sleepers don't like being around
a lot of people. They want to have privacy and
they want to be in their own area, which is fine,
that's head choice. But the problem is the city is
just not busy enough at the moment, so that's sort
of part of the problem.
Speaker 2 (35:24):
Is that almost part of the solution to the problem
is let's just I mean, it's chicken in the egg.
Make the city more vibrantsolutely whatever means possible. Good stuff. Okay,
we'll be back in just a moment. It is ten
and a half minutes to four News Talks. He'd be yes,
welcome back. This is the panel of my guests. I'm
Tim Beverage, my guests of Murray Crane and Shane Henderson.
(35:44):
Actually this story is almost a bit of a public
health announcement as well, but a bit of a worry
that this colored sand product sold by kmart tested positive
for asbestos. So there's an urgent recall notice. So if
you're listening to this, an urgent recall notice. It was
a product that was sold by Kmart. Anyone who's bought
this colored sand products stopped using them. But actually we
(36:06):
were just talking off air, Shane and you you think
you might have some of this stuff.
Speaker 4 (36:10):
Yeah, first thing I do when to get home is
I'm going to go and check that out, because goodness me,
it's carcinogen. So just make sure that everyone at home
checks out whether they have this and.
Speaker 2 (36:20):
Follow the reci So it's e C Rainbow Sand and
Create Creatistics. What's it a name is that? Anyway? It's
EC Rainbow Sand and Creatistics colored sand, which has been
sold at retailers including Paper Plus, Hobbyland, en Z Schoolshop,
office products depots, discount office, acquir and Quizzle or Kizzle
or whatever like that. So yeah, in fact, I think
(36:42):
before you, I don't know, you're not supposed to just
dispose of it yourself. I'm not sure it's supposed to do.
But look up what I think you call the council. Oh,
all right, that should be easy enough for you. Or
just call Shane for your life book. It's a bit
of a worry, isn't it. Hey, Look, we've just got
a couple of minutes to go. It is the story
(37:03):
that keeps on giving. But I noticed that the latest
with the whole Epstein thing, that it's been thousands of
emails released and all this sort of stuff. I can't
keep up with it, but Trump wants them to. Has
instructed the Justice Department requested that they investigate particular banks
and Bill Clinton, which does look a little bit like,
(37:24):
oh look over there, over there, over.
Speaker 3 (37:25):
There, classic Trump.
Speaker 2 (37:27):
Eventually something's going to come out. I guess if there
is anything, he's just trying to postpone it until he's
either out of the presidency or always carct it.
Speaker 4 (37:36):
Murray.
Speaker 3 (37:38):
He just lives in his own reality, like he think
I mean it's an alternative truth whatever's been told. So,
I mean where they smoke this fire?
Speaker 2 (37:47):
Yeah, what do you reckon, Shane?
Speaker 4 (37:49):
Yeah, Look, it's his political instinct as Trump is to
get on the attack and try and get ahead of things.
And I think this is what he's doing before. But
look at I mean for him to come out and
say that there must be something there goodness to worry.
Speaker 2 (38:01):
Yeah, but it's one of those conversations that's just gone.
Here's my take on it. I reckon that even if
there's something really bad, like Prince Andrew is bad and
Mount Batten winds are bad, then somehow I don't think
it would really people want to be that surprised support Trump.
They'll be unsurprised and they won't care. People people's positions
(38:25):
are so entrenched.
Speaker 3 (38:26):
When he's already had a very similar lawsuit for something.
Speaker 2 (38:28):
Very Oh that's right, that's right. Not to mention the
hot mic moment radio. Yeah, anyway, Hey guys, thanks so
much for coming in. Thanks to what's the week looking?
You're going to be getting up early to watch the
go the AB You get up four o'clock you have
to or else, you know, the remotes just there.
Speaker 3 (38:45):
You just want to push it, you know, it's.
Speaker 2 (38:47):
That time of the morning. I did it last week
when I rolled over Lasily and I just had a
look at my phone to see if there was other news.
I wasn't even thinking about it and saw the result
of the game. Again.
Speaker 3 (38:59):
Got to be in real time.
Speaker 2 (39:00):
It's the only way to watch it, Shane.
Speaker 4 (39:01):
I'm going to watch it until lay mate. I like
my sleep in too much.
Speaker 2 (39:06):
And go the silver Fings as well. Absolutely, thanks very much. Guys.
By the way, if you missed any of this hour
you want to catch up with it, go and look
on iHeartRadio for the weekend Collective. We get the r
loaded pretty quickly at the conclusion of each hour. And
up next we will be with the one roof radio show.
Nicole Lewis is joining us and we're going to talk
about how do you get your you know, what are
(39:26):
the bits you need to make sure really in order
when it comes to sorting out your property for sale,
and if someone has the upper hand, is that the
sellers or the buyers? How do you drive a hard bargain?
What's the key? Oh, eight hundred and eighty ten to
eighty will be the number. Then we'll be back in
just a moment. It is just coming up to three
minutes to fourth.
Speaker 1 (39:48):
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