April 15, 2025 • 11 mins
Kicking into a new series now taking on the St. Louis Cardinals, the Astros lose Game 1 with a final score of 8-3. Leaving many scratching their head following their previous series against the Angels scoring 22 runs throughout the series' entirety to only producing three runs yesterday has many wondering where's the disconnect at. Pitching only 4 innings along with giving up 10 hits, 7 runs, 6 of them earned, and only 3 strikeouts; Framber was unable to get the ball rolling for the Astros defensively resulting in the Astros daggering loss. Assessing a few things dire to the pitching rotation along with looking to ensure success in the future, Sean and Dan take a moment discussing could Framber still be the Astros' Ace pitcher if he continues to struggle and have performances like yesterday?
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Oh boy, that was a lot of fun. Last night.
Speaker 2 (00:02):
Astros lose to the Cardinals eight to three. You do
get a three run homer out of Jeremy Pania, but
aside from that really not much. And with that we
say away we go here on the Sean Salisbury Show.
Speaker 1 (00:15):
Good morning everybody.
Speaker 3 (00:16):
What's happening? Manh Yeah. I had to got to a
point when it got to you know, when they had
got to eight where I it was for me, it
was it was tind of shut it down.
Speaker 1 (00:29):
It was you know.
Speaker 3 (00:31):
The thing that I think that concerns me, Dan, I
don't want to jump. We can get back into some laughs,
but just right off the back here that concerns me
is the from we's so good one day and then
the next I'm not sure which guy's showing up that
makes sense? Does It's a little bit of a Dow joneser.
But man, when he's good, he's awesome. But then when
it goes downhill, it's I mean, they raked him yesterday,
(00:53):
and you know they Sunny Gray was really good. They
they had a hard time putting the bat on the
ball consistently. Obviously didn't score till what the ninth inning
is that what it was. Yeah, I mean, like I said,
by that time, I checked out around the seventh inning
and you know the home run, which was a you know, okay,
you got You're still got five five more to get.
(01:13):
But I just, uh, the the concerns about fromber is
and I know he'll log innings and he's a he's
a bulldog when he's going good, and he will keep
he will he will log him in. But it just
is weird how sometimes he did the go to one
one two two one one one, where the the inconsistencies.
(01:36):
I guess what I'm saying is there seems to be
a gap between good and bad. Right, there's a lot
of extremes in his game.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
No, And and that's the part of it I think
is the most frustrating, is because it's seemingly to us
the most innocuous.
Speaker 1 (01:49):
Things that throw him off.
Speaker 2 (01:51):
And then it's I think it comes back to with me, Sean,
where I'm like, why does it throw you off?
Speaker 1 (01:57):
Like it's not like you just started pitching.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
It's not like you're in your second year and oh
hey he's young, he's got a lot of you know,
he's got a long way to go. Sean he's been
with this organization now for probably about six years. I
think twenty nineteen was the first time we saw him.
Maybe it was twenty twenty, but it was around that time.
The point is, he's been around the block. He knows
that these things can happen, and seemingly it does, and
(02:22):
then it throws his game off, and then afterwards it's
the same explanation every single time, oh, well this happened. Well,
you know that I couldn't get no a rhythm whatever
it is, and I just you can hear it from me.
Speaker 1 (02:34):
I'm kind of tired of it, and I think most
astros fans are.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
It's just like, if you're gonna be that top guy,
and I'm assuming the next offseason he's gonna be asking
for top money, I wouldn't pay it.
Speaker 3 (02:45):
Yeah, And here's the problem is when he when you
see him or with that I'm with you, You're like, man,
do I pay him as one of the best? You know,
obviously the premium of a left hander who's good and
is an all star type pitcher, but what kind of
rarefied air salary are we talking about? And like he'll
go out like his last start or when he opens
(03:05):
the season and you're like, damn, okay, I get it.
And then you'll see one dropped in about every second
or third start where it's like, oh, I can't pay him,
he can't be my ace. And then he'll come back
the next time and give you a two hitter for
seven innings and and strike out eight and walk one,
and you're like, oh, that's why he's the ace. Now,
I understand it goes up and down, but I guess,
(03:27):
I guess for me his performances, he's got ace potential
and he's and and performance, but he also has a
lot of c in him. See see you know when
I say see, I mean like the third guy he
also has Okay, he's a four starter, he's the third
starter and not well, he's my number one. And when
he has an off day, he's still pretty damn good.
(03:48):
And as too when he has an off day, he
has off day, there's not a whole lot of sitting
in the middle. Now, he'll grind on innings, that's just
I mean, he does. He eats him up, but it's
just the I guess the extremes and maybe the numbers
don't bear that out. The eye test tells me over
the last three years. When he's good, he's outstanding. When
he's bad, he's horrendous. There's not a lot in between.
And now I know that there's going to be games
(04:09):
will Shawn he got through five and two thirds here,
gave scattered seven hits, but hung in there until walk three.
Speaker 1 (04:16):
I get that.
Speaker 3 (04:17):
But the majority of the time, when you come on
and talk about from where it's not it was a
tween or night for him, it's either dominant or good gracious,
hard time getting anybody out now. He kept pitching and pitching,
but eventually you got to make a switch because it's
not his night. And how many not his knights? Is
an a's supposed to have? I don't know the answer
to that, but I know this that for them to
(04:40):
go considering that their hitting is also a little up
and down. Good pitching as we know, does it, and
Sonny Gray started and gave them some good stuff last night,
is that. I don't think you want to go into
it thinking, you know, is he? I guess you talk
about an ace when you look at the are we
(05:02):
saying when you know there's an ace, it's not?
Speaker 1 (05:04):
Well? Is he?
Speaker 3 (05:04):
It's a no brainer? Are you is it a no
brainer that if you had to win one game in
the postseason, that that's the guy you'd pick.
Speaker 1 (05:12):
No way, okay, no chance? All right? When when?
Speaker 3 (05:16):
But now I can go through other teams and say, okay,
you got to win one game? Are you picking Scooble?
Speaker 1 (05:22):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (05:22):
Yeah, are you picking? You know you can go through
the the entire Will you know who the ace is?
Speaker 2 (05:30):
Right?
Speaker 1 (05:31):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (05:31):
On good teams, there's no brainer that guy's my starter.
And I think Frommer's got that in him. But there's
there's enough discrepancy between the good and the bad starts
to make you say, okay, every pitcher's well rested on
your staff. But it's a one game elimination. I know
those situations don't rear their head very often, but one
(05:52):
game elimination, Who are you starting? And I don't know
if the majority of people would put Maybe they would,
but I think they may choose the second guy first.
In Hunter Brown, I think I guess I trust from
but I don't. I wouldn't bet my mortgage on it.
I bet i'd bet the guest if I had a
(06:18):
guest room in my house, I bet that on it.
But I'm sure I bet the whole house. That makes sense.
Speaker 1 (06:22):
Maybe, I mean, is the game room pushing it too hard?
Speaker 3 (06:25):
The game room's probably ahead of the guest room because
you spend more time in that.
Speaker 2 (06:29):
What about the patio with all the TV, Well, that's
my favorite place in my house. I don't I don't
want to put your personal business out there too much.
I guess I did. But you know no, that's okay.
The pad that's off limits. That would cost h Yeah,
I know. I'm not betting the patio on that. There
you go. Well, I'll tell you this. If Detroit has
a one game elimination, I know who I bet. I
bet the crib, the whole crib on it.
Speaker 1 (06:49):
We saw it last year in full force. I like front.
Speaker 3 (06:52):
But it goes like the draft we're talking about Dan
for me, do you like them or do you love them?
Let's say this was we took current pictures and say
we put him in the pot. Said, okay, start drafting
here and like like you would in your fantasy draft.
But I'm just talking about real baseball, not the fantasy numbers.
Real baseball, go out win games. And he said, Sean,
you had first pick, and I go through and you
(07:14):
say you like him? Or love him, Well, I love
that guy. When you ask when I get to Fromber,
it's do you like him or love might say I
really like him, but I don't love him when it
comes to that. If this was an NFL, If this
was an NFL draft the way they did it, Fromber's
what the middle rounds?
Speaker 1 (07:31):
Fifteenth pick, fourteenth pick?
Speaker 3 (07:33):
Yeah, I was going to say even I was going
to say he left e premium, I get it. I
was going to say somewhere in the early to mid twenties.
As you're picking the first round. That makes sense because
you're going to you know what's going first A lot.
It's a but now, hell you're going to take Otawani.
You go through it. But how many? It's like in
regular fantasy you're taking running backs most of the time, right,
at least that's the way it used to be. I
don't play a lot of Fantasy daily. I mean I
(07:54):
go on an underdog and do that. But before you're
playing Fantasy daily, of you know, trades and all that
stuff that you guys when you pick your fantasy team.
Right is, but what was Fromber? Where would he fall?
How does pitching and running backs equal? We know pitching
wins championships. I mean defense, So you got to start there, right,
But the truth is, after you get one or two
(08:14):
pitchers out of the way, aren't you taking uh Otani
and the trouts and the Acunas and those guys in
the you know what I'm saying. You're going to take
those guys not just gonna be pitchers. Right, If you
were building a team, pitchers are going to start with. Right,
you're gonna take the best picture in the league to start,
am I correct? Not let's put Otani on the side.
Maybe you're not. Maybe you think the best player outside
(08:36):
of Otani, whoever you think that is next, that that's
the guy you're going to take ahead of you know,
a pitcher. But if you got if you were going
I'm not even talking about fancy real baseball, you're going
to take the guy. If a great left handed pitcher
sitting at the top of a draft, guess who's getting drafted, right,
You're taking the pitcher, right, You're going to take that
(08:57):
guy out of college or high school.
Speaker 1 (09:00):
That's dominant.
Speaker 3 (09:01):
And I think if it was, if we put him
in the current players of fromber, he's not gonna be
a top ten pick.
Speaker 1 (09:06):
But he's a lefty, and he's really good. When he's good.
Speaker 3 (09:08):
Maybe if you're a manager, you think I can get
him to be more consistent. So yeah, first round or
but late like in the twenties early twenties for me,
if I was picking him right now? So is that
an ace? I guess maybe it is.
Speaker 1 (09:22):
Is it a.
Speaker 3 (09:22):
Franchise ace for me? I like him a lot, I'm
not sure I love him. If I had a one
game thing I had to win and all the pressure
in the world was on.
Speaker 1 (09:29):
You just trip my brain. You know who he is.
He's Laramie Tonsil. He's Laramie Tonsil.
Speaker 2 (09:34):
It's he's incredibly good when the ball is in play,
he's incredibly good blocking and all of those different things.
It's the other things that you have to Does he
work hard enough? Is he going to be on the
same snap count? We're not going to get a pre
snap penalty. That's who Fromber is. He's Laramie Tonsil.
Speaker 3 (09:51):
Again, everybody talked about, oh, he's the best left Yeah,
I mean, and you know when you go around, you're
gonna they're gonna get to Fromber quickly. When you talk
about who's the five best left handers, in baseball. His
name's gonna come up. So that's how he's held's the
back end, right right, Ye, But his name will come
up because when he's good, he's really good. But when
he's bad, it did uh, thank goodness. He'll eat a
few innings up and you trust him because he keeps
(10:11):
the ball down and usually in the ballpark. So I
don't know it. Just like I said, I like him,
do'll love him. He would not be a top ten
pick in my Major league draft if I was picking.
Speaker 1 (10:22):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (10:22):
I mean a lot of hard contact from him last night,
and I saw and they got on it in a
hurry too, Yes they did. And Moss as we saw
there with the three run third inning and then the
following inning that finally got him out the door for
the night. Only four innings last night out of fromber Valdez.
So not good to see that. As the Astros fall
eight to three. The Rockets. They do know what day
(10:46):
they're playing. They don't know when they are playing, but
they'll find out who they are playing tonight.
Speaker 1 (10:51):
The who, what, when, where and why? All of those
different things.
Speaker 2 (10:54):
They got that and the NFL draft sean a week away.
We'll get into some Draft here today. Seventy players have
accepted invites to be there in Green Bay for the draft,
but one notable absence. We'll talk about that as the
show goes along. We're just getting started here on the
Seawan Salisbury Show coming up. While we've talked about the bad,
there actually is some good for the Astros, and we'll
(11:16):
discuss that right here on the Shawn Salisbury Show Sports
Talk seven ninety
Oh boy, that was a lot of fun. Last night.
Speaker 2 (00:02):
Astros lose to the Cardinals eight to three. You do
get a three run homer out of Jeremy Pania, but
aside from that really not much. And with that we
say away we go here on the Sean Salisbury Show.
Speaker 1 (00:15):
Good morning everybody.
Speaker 3 (00:16):
What's happening? Manh Yeah. I had to got to a
point when it got to you know, when they had
got to eight where I it was for me, it
was it was tind of shut it down.
Speaker 1 (00:29):
It was you know.
Speaker 3 (00:31):
The thing that I think that concerns me, Dan, I
don't want to jump. We can get back into some laughs,
but just right off the back here that concerns me
is the from we's so good one day and then
the next I'm not sure which guy's showing up that
makes sense? Does It's a little bit of a Dow joneser.
But man, when he's good, he's awesome. But then when
it goes downhill, it's I mean, they raked him yesterday,
(00:53):
and you know they Sunny Gray was really good. They
they had a hard time putting the bat on the
ball consistently. Obviously didn't score till what the ninth inning
is that what it was. Yeah, I mean, like I said,
by that time, I checked out around the seventh inning
and you know the home run, which was a you know, okay,
you got You're still got five five more to get.
(01:13):
But I just, uh, the the concerns about fromber is
and I know he'll log innings and he's a he's
a bulldog when he's going good, and he will keep
he will he will log him in. But it just
is weird how sometimes he did the go to one
one two two one one one, where the the inconsistencies.
(01:36):
I guess what I'm saying is there seems to be
a gap between good and bad. Right, there's a lot
of extremes in his game.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
No, And and that's the part of it I think
is the most frustrating, is because it's seemingly to us
the most innocuous.
Speaker 1 (01:49):
Things that throw him off.
Speaker 2 (01:51):
And then it's I think it comes back to with me, Sean,
where I'm like, why does it throw you off?
Speaker 1 (01:57):
Like it's not like you just started pitching.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
It's not like you're in your second year and oh
hey he's young, he's got a lot of you know,
he's got a long way to go. Sean he's been
with this organization now for probably about six years. I
think twenty nineteen was the first time we saw him.
Maybe it was twenty twenty, but it was around that time.
The point is, he's been around the block. He knows
that these things can happen, and seemingly it does, and
(02:22):
then it throws his game off, and then afterwards it's
the same explanation every single time, oh, well this happened. Well,
you know that I couldn't get no a rhythm whatever
it is, and I just you can hear it from me.
Speaker 1 (02:34):
I'm kind of tired of it, and I think most
astros fans are.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
It's just like, if you're gonna be that top guy,
and I'm assuming the next offseason he's gonna be asking
for top money, I wouldn't pay it.
Speaker 3 (02:45):
Yeah, And here's the problem is when he when you
see him or with that I'm with you, You're like, man,
do I pay him as one of the best? You know,
obviously the premium of a left hander who's good and
is an all star type pitcher, but what kind of
rarefied air salary are we talking about? And like he'll
go out like his last start or when he opens
(03:05):
the season and you're like, damn, okay, I get it.
And then you'll see one dropped in about every second
or third start where it's like, oh, I can't pay him,
he can't be my ace. And then he'll come back
the next time and give you a two hitter for
seven innings and and strike out eight and walk one,
and you're like, oh, that's why he's the ace. Now,
I understand it goes up and down, but I guess,
(03:27):
I guess for me his performances, he's got ace potential
and he's and and performance, but he also has a
lot of c in him. See see you know when
I say see, I mean like the third guy he
also has Okay, he's a four starter, he's the third
starter and not well, he's my number one. And when
he has an off day, he's still pretty damn good.
(03:48):
And as too when he has an off day, he
has off day, there's not a whole lot of sitting
in the middle. Now, he'll grind on innings, that's just
I mean, he does. He eats him up, but it's
just the I guess the extremes and maybe the numbers
don't bear that out. The eye test tells me over
the last three years. When he's good, he's outstanding. When
he's bad, he's horrendous. There's not a lot in between.
And now I know that there's going to be games
(04:09):
will Shawn he got through five and two thirds here,
gave scattered seven hits, but hung in there until walk three.
Speaker 1 (04:16):
I get that.
Speaker 3 (04:17):
But the majority of the time, when you come on
and talk about from where it's not it was a
tween or night for him, it's either dominant or good gracious,
hard time getting anybody out now. He kept pitching and pitching,
but eventually you got to make a switch because it's
not his night. And how many not his knights? Is
an a's supposed to have? I don't know the answer
to that, but I know this that for them to
(04:40):
go considering that their hitting is also a little up
and down. Good pitching as we know, does it, and
Sonny Gray started and gave them some good stuff last night,
is that. I don't think you want to go into
it thinking, you know, is he? I guess you talk
about an ace when you look at the are we
(05:02):
saying when you know there's an ace, it's not?
Speaker 1 (05:04):
Well? Is he?
Speaker 3 (05:04):
It's a no brainer? Are you is it a no
brainer that if you had to win one game in
the postseason, that that's the guy you'd pick.
Speaker 1 (05:12):
No way, okay, no chance? All right? When when?
Speaker 3 (05:16):
But now I can go through other teams and say, okay,
you got to win one game? Are you picking Scooble?
Speaker 1 (05:22):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (05:22):
Yeah, are you picking? You know you can go through
the the entire Will you know who the ace is?
Speaker 2 (05:30):
Right?
Speaker 1 (05:31):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (05:31):
On good teams, there's no brainer that guy's my starter.
And I think Frommer's got that in him. But there's
there's enough discrepancy between the good and the bad starts
to make you say, okay, every pitcher's well rested on
your staff. But it's a one game elimination. I know
those situations don't rear their head very often, but one
(05:52):
game elimination, Who are you starting? And I don't know
if the majority of people would put Maybe they would,
but I think they may choose the second guy first.
In Hunter Brown, I think I guess I trust from
but I don't. I wouldn't bet my mortgage on it.
I bet i'd bet the guest if I had a
(06:18):
guest room in my house, I bet that on it.
But I'm sure I bet the whole house. That makes sense.
Speaker 1 (06:22):
Maybe, I mean, is the game room pushing it too hard?
Speaker 3 (06:25):
The game room's probably ahead of the guest room because
you spend more time in that.
Speaker 2 (06:29):
What about the patio with all the TV, Well, that's
my favorite place in my house. I don't I don't
want to put your personal business out there too much.
I guess I did. But you know no, that's okay.
The pad that's off limits. That would cost h Yeah,
I know. I'm not betting the patio on that. There
you go. Well, I'll tell you this. If Detroit has
a one game elimination, I know who I bet. I
bet the crib, the whole crib on it.
Speaker 1 (06:49):
We saw it last year in full force. I like front.
Speaker 3 (06:52):
But it goes like the draft we're talking about Dan
for me, do you like them or do you love them?
Let's say this was we took current pictures and say
we put him in the pot. Said, okay, start drafting
here and like like you would in your fantasy draft.
But I'm just talking about real baseball, not the fantasy numbers.
Real baseball, go out win games. And he said, Sean,
you had first pick, and I go through and you
(07:14):
say you like him? Or love him, Well, I love
that guy. When you ask when I get to Fromber,
it's do you like him or love might say I
really like him, but I don't love him when it
comes to that. If this was an NFL, If this
was an NFL draft the way they did it, Fromber's
what the middle rounds?
Speaker 1 (07:31):
Fifteenth pick, fourteenth pick?
Speaker 3 (07:33):
Yeah, I was going to say even I was going
to say he left e premium, I get it. I
was going to say somewhere in the early to mid twenties.
As you're picking the first round. That makes sense because
you're going to you know what's going first A lot.
It's a but now, hell you're going to take Otawani.
You go through it. But how many? It's like in
regular fantasy you're taking running backs most of the time, right,
at least that's the way it used to be. I
don't play a lot of Fantasy daily. I mean I
(07:54):
go on an underdog and do that. But before you're
playing Fantasy daily, of you know, trades and all that
stuff that you guys when you pick your fantasy team.
Right is, but what was Fromber? Where would he fall?
How does pitching and running backs equal? We know pitching
wins championships. I mean defense, So you got to start there, right,
But the truth is, after you get one or two
(08:14):
pitchers out of the way, aren't you taking uh Otani
and the trouts and the Acunas and those guys in
the you know what I'm saying. You're going to take
those guys not just gonna be pitchers. Right, If you
were building a team, pitchers are going to start with. Right,
you're gonna take the best picture in the league to start,
am I correct? Not let's put Otani on the side.
Maybe you're not. Maybe you think the best player outside
(08:36):
of Otani, whoever you think that is next, that that's
the guy you're going to take ahead of you know,
a pitcher. But if you got if you were going
I'm not even talking about fancy real baseball, you're going
to take the guy. If a great left handed pitcher
sitting at the top of a draft, guess who's getting drafted, right,
You're taking the pitcher, right, You're going to take that
(08:57):
guy out of college or high school.
Speaker 1 (09:00):
That's dominant.
Speaker 3 (09:01):
And I think if it was, if we put him
in the current players of fromber, he's not gonna be
a top ten pick.
Speaker 1 (09:06):
But he's a lefty, and he's really good. When he's good.
Speaker 3 (09:08):
Maybe if you're a manager, you think I can get
him to be more consistent. So yeah, first round or
but late like in the twenties early twenties for me,
if I was picking him right now? So is that
an ace? I guess maybe it is.
Speaker 1 (09:22):
Is it a.
Speaker 3 (09:22):
Franchise ace for me? I like him a lot, I'm
not sure I love him. If I had a one
game thing I had to win and all the pressure
in the world was on.
Speaker 1 (09:29):
You just trip my brain. You know who he is.
He's Laramie Tonsil. He's Laramie Tonsil.
Speaker 2 (09:34):
It's he's incredibly good when the ball is in play,
he's incredibly good blocking and all of those different things.
It's the other things that you have to Does he
work hard enough? Is he going to be on the
same snap count? We're not going to get a pre
snap penalty. That's who Fromber is. He's Laramie Tonsil.
Speaker 3 (09:51):
Again, everybody talked about, oh, he's the best left Yeah,
I mean, and you know when you go around, you're
gonna they're gonna get to Fromber quickly. When you talk
about who's the five best left handers, in baseball. His
name's gonna come up. So that's how he's held's the
back end, right right, Ye, But his name will come
up because when he's good, he's really good. But when
he's bad, it did uh, thank goodness. He'll eat a
few innings up and you trust him because he keeps
(10:11):
the ball down and usually in the ballpark. So I
don't know it. Just like I said, I like him,
do'll love him. He would not be a top ten
pick in my Major league draft if I was picking.
Speaker 1 (10:22):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (10:22):
I mean a lot of hard contact from him last night,
and I saw and they got on it in a
hurry too, Yes they did. And Moss as we saw
there with the three run third inning and then the
following inning that finally got him out the door for
the night. Only four innings last night out of fromber Valdez.
So not good to see that. As the Astros fall
eight to three. The Rockets. They do know what day
(10:46):
they're playing. They don't know when they are playing, but
they'll find out who they are playing tonight.
Speaker 1 (10:51):
The who, what, when, where and why? All of those
different things.
Speaker 2 (10:54):
They got that and the NFL draft sean a week away.
We'll get into some Draft here today. Seventy players have
accepted invites to be there in Green Bay for the draft,
but one notable absence. We'll talk about that as the
show goes along. We're just getting started here on the
Seawan Salisbury Show coming up. While we've talked about the bad,
there actually is some good for the Astros, and we'll
(11:16):
discuss that right here on the Shawn Salisbury Show Sports
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