July 15, 2024 • 37 mins
Clay Martin breaks down the assassination attempt of Former President Trump. Why are so many people on both the left and the right trying to tone down the rhetoric. “When I am weaker than you, I ask you for freedom because that is according to your principles; when I am stronger than you, I take away your freedom Because that is according to my principles.”
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Speaker 1 (00:11):
This is a Jesse Kelly show.
Speaker 2 (00:15):
On a Monday and eventful Monday, with some things to
talk about. I think we'd all agree there are one
or two things on the agenda. After all, they did
almost murder the Republican nominee for President of the United States.
We have a VP, Joe Biden, still grabbing little girls.
Everything's uncomfortable and awful. Right now We're going to dive
into all of that tonight on the world famous Jesse
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Kelly's Show. I want to begin. I want to begin
right here, though. I just want to address the larger
point of what we've all been digesting since the moment.
And I don't have to elaborate what moment we're talking about.
Either you watched it live or your phone was blowing up.
Right when it happened, I was sitting down, we were kidless.
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We were childless, which was wonderful for days. I was
sitting down for a movie with my wife. It was
date night, we were in a movie theater. I'd sit
down and all of a sudden, my phone is vibrating
out of my pocket. And that's when I find out,
just the same way you, Finna, and you know, one
of the reasons people seem so shocked and silent and
(01:21):
disoriented when they get in a car wreck or something
like that. One of the reasons that happens is even
if you hear about car res or you see carres
on television, it's not until you're in one that it
really becomes real for you. That That is what this
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moment has been for so many people in America, not
just on the right, in the middle some I'm on
the center left. Wait, so I tell you about a
text message I got from Acamia. For a lot of
people in the United States of America, Donald Trump gets
shot in the head only by the grace of God live.
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That was the moment it became real. Now, let's keep
in mind, dirty communists have been murdering people in this
country for a very very, very long time, and in
recent years they've been murdering people at a higher rate.
Look at now, it's real for everyone because it's Trump.
He's the one we know. He's the former president, he's
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the Republican nominee, he's the what you've seen his face
on television. It's now he's someone you feel like you
know more. But communists have been murdering and hurting people
on the right for years now. But when we watched
it happen to Trump, when we watched it happen to
the guy we know, it became real. And so the
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conversations we've all had, myself included afterwards with family and friends.
I've been hanging out with people for the last few days,
you know, normal people, not political people, even though I'm
at the convention. Now. If I sound different, that's why
I'm at the convention. So just so you know, but
we've all been having these conversations, conversations that go something
like this, I can't believe this happened. You said anything
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like that, you heard anything like that. I can't believe.
I can't believe this happened. I can't believe this is
where we are. I was talking to It was me
and three dudes. We were hanging out with the thrown horseshoes.
It didn't matter, but one of them said, this is
what he said, and just what's you to think about
this because you probably said something similar. He said at
one point, I can't believe we're at a point in
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time where politicians are getting assassinated or they're trying to
assassinate and that's what he said. And I'll tell you
it gave me a moment of pause. And here's why
I feel the same way, and my emotional state, I
feel the same way. I can't believe this is happening.
I can't believe we're here. But after I thought about
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it for a minute, I told him, I said, you know,
that's how it's always been, political leaders, cultural leaders, leaders
of any kind being murdered by the opposite side. It
has been something we are so blessed by God to
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be relatively free from here in America. I know, not
totally free from McKinley to JFK. I know what's happened here,
but that has not been the norm here in America.
And now a lot of people you probably already knew this,
but a lot of people are waking up and realizing,
holy crap, that's us now. This is where we are,
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this is who we are now. And I don't know
if this will help you process all this or hurt
you processing all this. But what's something we've talked about
a bunch on the show. And I know I got
all the emails, Jesse, you said this is coming, You
said this is coming. That's not important. Why did I
know they were going to do something like this? Remember something,
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We live in a country where the government is evil.
The people are not in the country, it is not,
but the government is evil. We have evil people who
run the country. And I'm not just talking about Democrats,
and I'm not just talking about elected politicians. Evil people
run this country now. And when you're in a country
like that, the people don't want to live under evil.
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You don't want to live under evil. I don't want
to live under evil. Who wants that? Nobody wants that.
So the people will eventually rise up several people. It
won't just be trumped when many more who come after him.
They'll rise up a system disruptor who will take the
evil system in place, or the people will think he's
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going to take the evil system in place and attack
it and stop it. Because people don't want to live
under tyranny and they don't want to live under a
corrupt government, and they'll eventually look for way to stop it,
somebody to stop it. And what happens is when you're
in these types of governments and these things happen to you,
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systems bite back, systems fight back, and they fight back
in various ways. But what happened is this went from
just you and me talking about it, reading books about it,
the Roman Empire, the Japanese imperiald from us just talking
about it. It went from that to being, oh, oh,
(06:30):
oh gosh, we're we're here, that's who we are. How
do we deal with this going forward? And we're going
to talk about that a ton tonight. I should let
you know, eh, probably five minutes from now, five minutes
from now, I'm bringing somebody on now, not a political
(06:51):
analyst or anything like that. We're gonna do that all
night long. We're going to talk about the shooting and
the politics and the fallout and everything else. We'll do
all that, but what I wanted on what I I
really wanted because my email was full of technical questions,
questions that I have as well. How could this guy
be allowed to have the rooftop? How could this happen?
What did they miss? What did they miss? Here? So
we're going to bring on our friend, friend of the show,
(07:11):
you know him, Green Beret sniper, Marine sniper, Clay Martin.
He's going to be the one joining us, and I'm
going to be asking Clay a lot of questions a
lot of questions that may be uncomfortable for you, may
be uncomfortable for me. But I will tell you We're
going to get to more of this after I'm done
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with Clay. I will tell you I have many, many,
many questions. I don't have details, I don't have answers.
And because we live in a corrupt system, because we
live in a government where the mediaize, and the education
system lies, and the government lies, bureaucracies lie, and everyone's
been lying to us over and over and over and
over and over again. Now we're in a situation where
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I want answers. You want answers. And here's the pickle.
All the people who've been lying to you about every
singing for the last god knows how long, they're the
ones who are gonna tell you the answers after they're
done investigating everything. They're gonna let you know what is
true and what is false. So we sit here. We
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just watched the non Republican nominee, and let's be honest,
likely next president of the United States of America come
within two inches from having his brain splattered all over
a stage on high deaf TV. You would have witnessed it,
Your kids would have seen it, even if you didn't
want him to on social media. And we're in this
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moment where we wake up and oh my gosh, what
happened here. Well, we're gonna have a long talk about
that what happened, and we're gonna talk about this incident,
and we're gonna talk about how I'm feeling and how
you're feeling about all of it, and we're gonna do
all that. After I asked Clay Martin, you know Greenbray Marines,
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Clay Martin, after I asked him some very pointed questions
about protection, secrets of us, protection, lax is in communication, malice, negligence,
What did we see Because what we saw is more
than just another outrageous thirty COMI trying to kill one
of us. What we saw was unacceptable. For it to
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be two inches away from that unacceptable. I'm going to
talk to Clay about it. In a moment. Before we
talk to Clay about it, I want to do this
really quickly. We again, we're experiencing a reality that other
people in the world experience regularly. Violence is becoming a
way of life. Now, what do you think they go
through in Israel all the time? Now, all the time,
(09:39):
every day. Imagine waking up every day, going to school,
going to home, you're on your way to work and oh, nope, sorry,
we have to divert to a bomb shelter because rockets
are incoming. Oh nope, sorry, have to go pull the
kids out of school. There's a wildfire raging. We don't
have firefighters who can respond to the whole thing. It's
in a dangerous area. We have to fight at ourselfs.
This isn't happening in some book. We're on some distant planet.
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This is happening right now in the world. And the
International Fellowship of Christians and Jews the i f CJ,
what they've got is a pledge, a pledge that all
they're asking is that we signed it. That's really all
they're They're asking for a signature. And what they're gonna
do is they're gonna take this pledge saying hey, we're
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praying for you, and they're gonna go turn it into
Netanyahu over there and show them, Hey, everybody is in
some dirty comedy on TV. Here in America. There are
a lot of people who have you in our prayers.
Go to support IFCJ dot org and sign it all
right support I f CJ dot dot org. We'll be back.
Speaker 1 (10:46):
It's the Jesse Kelly Show.
Speaker 2 (10:48):
It is the Jesse Kelly Show live from the Republican
National Convention. Remember if you want me, if you need
to talk to me, you can't do that, but you
can send me an email Jesse at Jesse kellyshow dot com. Yes,
Jewish producer Chris is getting me all the emails throughout
the week. So there's that. But we're going to set
all that stuff aside because we have a guest on
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you already know him, Green Beret Marine sniper Clay Martin.
He's on here all the time giving us some knowledge
about various things, but he also knows a lot about
this kind of stuff that I do not and that
you probably do not. And I don't want to talk
out of my rear end. I want to talk to Clay. Okay,
joining me now, Author Clay Martin. I'll introduce you that way, Clay,
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But for our purposes, you're not an author today. You
are a Green Beret and a sniper. Clay. How does
some twenty year old goober will set aside the other
things which we can get to come within two inches
of taking the former president's head off before he stopped.
Speaker 3 (11:48):
Jesse. That's a really good question. And this has gotten
worse just over the day as we.
Speaker 4 (11:53):
Look at these things. Well, we agreed to talk.
Speaker 3 (11:55):
About this yesterday, so many more details. Looks about this
so bad, But it's amazing. One, it's amazing that somebody
got that a kid. It's not like a Jason Bourne
got that close in the first place. But primarily what
I was going to talk about with with you of
your r with it is the stuff that we've seen
from the sniper angle on this, from.
Speaker 2 (12:16):
The counter sniper angle, yes please, okay.
Speaker 3 (12:19):
Well, also I wanted to cover this. People were staying
initially this kid missed because of the wind or the
divine winds saved Trump. It's not that at all. That's
not it at all. I ran it through the ballistic
computer today and even a worst case scenario stating was
carrying a normal ar Is shoes two twenty three rounds
and like the cheapest amo that you can feed it
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a ten mile an hour window and makes it two
point three inch difference at that range at one hundred
and thirty five yards. So it was not the it
was not the wind that saved him, which is pretty
wild now primarily looking at it, especially the the snipers
on the roof that we saw the video of, which,
now that we've done this for a while, I don't
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even think those two actually gauge. I don't know if
they ever saw the guy or if they ever got
a shot off. It doesn't look like it. But people
were asking what was going on with those guys. You
see the one guy come off of his scope and
then try to get back on it and then try
to bounce in and find a target. My thoughts that's
there is that.
Speaker 1 (13:23):
Likely this?
Speaker 3 (13:24):
We also don't know if that was super service or
if it was a local cop, but I either way,
odds are pretty good that he's never shot somebody before.
So it's actually not that admirable of reaction to come
out of the glass. It's like a thing you can't
train through, just to come out of glass to confirm
with you realize, because even a rifle scope offers a
kind of a mechanical mechanical disconnection, So it's kind of
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like an impulsive reaction.
Speaker 2 (13:47):
Now, hold on, hold on, what's that mean? What's that mean, Clay,
a mechanical disconnection.
Speaker 3 (13:53):
It means that even though it's just a piece of glass.
It's just a magnifying piece of glass. You can start
to feel like things are surreal in that scope, and
it's kind of it's like ann and born natural reaction.
You see see people like pull their their night vision
goggles up, like they can see any better in the dark.
It's kind of the same thing with a rifle scope
and noimes. When people are really surprised, they will come
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out of the scope because they just instinctively want to
see with their natural eye. It sounds kind of dumb,
but it is a thing that happens more often than not.
Though you see that happen after they shoot, not before,
but it's not impossible that it happened before. So that
was That was number one that kind of looked at
It kind of looks weird if you're just watching the video,
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but it's it's it's a it's at least a plausible
explanation for it. The second thing that I don't think
a lot of people have got a lot of value too.
It's pretty funny. There's actually a roof very similarly sloped
to the one where the assassin with that one hundred
and forty yards from my backyard, so very very similar distance.
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It's it's very plausible also at that range, when we
think about counter sniper guys, they were probably actually looking
a lot further away than that one hundred and twenty
five yards. That's like eyeball distance. It's like you're the
guys that will ars and stuffers willed to cover that.
So it's very plausible if they were actually looking a
lot deeper and when they had to try to get
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back on that target is so much closer. A high
powered opject on a very narrow field of view, it
actually gets worse the closer you are to an object.
So something that was like one hundred yards you've got
about a six foot field of view. I think that's
what took those two so long to try and get
back on target up on that roof.
Speaker 2 (15:38):
Okay, and then now let's pause on that for a second, Clay,
because I'm trying to understand. I just want to understand
from a sniper's perspective and counter sniping perspective, you say
they're looking further. I understand that. But if you're looking further,
doesn't that mean you have at least some assurance or
assumption that closer has been secured.
Speaker 4 (16:00):
Right, It's exactly right, exactly mostly because I mean, that's
an absurd distance to be looking for somebody with your
you know, six nive creed more than twenty five powers
go do what everything in your wildest.
Speaker 3 (16:12):
Dreams that somebody's gonna pop up their course like it
should be impossible.
Speaker 2 (16:16):
It's just not done, Okay, And that brings me to
maybe the most uncomfortable question. And I may end up
having to cut you off here. We're going to go
to break. But don't worry. If I have to cut
Clay off, which I'm sure I will, We're gonna come back.
I'm going to keep him angst. I want to hear
from him, Clay, And there's been a million theories, and
I don't I don't know what to believe. I don't
know whether we're dealing with negligence, incompetence, malice, and I've
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ruled out nothing so far. I've ruled out absolutely nothing. Clay.
How does anybody get a rooftop position one hundred and
forty eight yards from the former president of the United
States of America and squeeze off what we think are
five five shots? How does that happen? Clay?
Speaker 1 (16:58):
It doesn't.
Speaker 2 (17:00):
Okay, that's what I thought, absolutely.
Speaker 3 (17:04):
Never my wildest dreams. But I think so we could
be that close on a rooftop, Like that's different than like,
you know, some sneaky guys stuff and you're moving shingles
or something like that. This is a knucklehead laying on
the roof one hundred and twenty five yards away.
Speaker 4 (17:19):
I'm a little.
Speaker 3 (17:19):
Flabbergasted by that. By stuffing should be impossible. There's no
way that should be able to happen.
Speaker 2 (17:25):
Okay, so you undoubtedly have been involved in some protection
detail stuff. In fact, we're we're gonna go, We're gonna
you know what, I'm gonna. I'm gonna pause here because
I'm gonna wanna I'm gonna want Clay to elaborate further
when we get back. But I'm sure Clay has done
a bunch of protection work. Just guys pipe hitters like
that always end up doing that kind of stuff, or
at least advising on that kind of stuff. I'm gonna
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I wanna diget into it with him, how that might happen.
But what what possibly went wrong there or what are
we dealing with? That's what a lot of us want
to know, and I want to know, and we're gonna
talk to Clay and get what he says at it.
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Speaker 1 (19:04):
Next Truth Attitude, Jesse Kelly.
Speaker 2 (19:11):
It is the Jesse Kelly Show, and I'm Monday reminding
you about a half hour from now we are going
to do Medal of Honor Monday. Nothing changes just because
we're live here at the RNC just being a celebrity,
you know, it's all I know how to do. Joining
me now, Joining me now, my friend Clay Martin in
case you're just now joining us, Green Beret Marine sniper,
(19:33):
asking Clay some technical questions about what we see and
specifically didn't see at that Trump rally, the failures or
maybe something worse. Okay, Clay, So if you're protecting somebody,
like the Secret Service whoever local protecting somebody, there is
an advanced team that goes forward, oh I don't know,
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more than five minutes before the event starts to identify
vulnerable areas. Correct, I am correct about that.
Speaker 3 (20:01):
But you know, as long as you bought like you know,
security that didn't come from Walmart. Yes, yeah, yeah, no
dollarary security. Yeah no. That that's part of the game.
And honestly, one of the weirder things about this this
venue that they're at, especially the direction the shooter was in.
If you haven't gotten to walk the ground yet. In fact,
we may go up there and actually look at the ground.
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But even you pull up by Google Earth put it
in three D mode, you see that the area where
Trump's stage was all the stuff that we see is
on a hilltop that's actually kind of flat. It's actually
a little bit of a bowl up there as well.
So realistically there's only one direction that the shots can
come from, like outside the venue. But when you zoom
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that out a little bit, it actually gets a lot
worse than most of the graphics that we've seen of
like a single rooftop. There are a half dozen or
more rooftops that little complex. There's no way you could
ignore that. In fact, I don't know if you've seen this,
but there's they're pretty pretty good plausible reporting right now
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that the shooter was actually on top of the building
that the local swat team was staged in.
Speaker 2 (21:10):
What okay, all right, so Clay, if there's only one
direction where he should come from, ideally, what would you do?
Would you have a counter sniper team trained at that rooftop?
Would you flat out put a man or two men
on the rooftop itself? What would be the normal thing
to do? That obviously wasn't done, but what would be
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the normal thing to do.
Speaker 3 (21:34):
I haven't had that complex this setup. It would normally
be at least three teams of two. There's a lot,
I mean a lot of roofs over there. Normally at
least three teams of two. Part of the reason you
do that teams of two is this readily identifiable. It's
still your guys, all right, that way to see you
to get like one guy is you know, throat cut
another guy with multi tam standing there with a sniper
rifle all of a sudden. But yeah, minimum of like
six dudes walking on the roofs in that area. And
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I mean the other crazy thing is if you're standing
on the ground in that parking, you can't see the stage,
the grounds in the way, so being up you would
the roof is the only place that they could go
and have any type of effect. You literally could not
be on the ground looking for things. It's ridiculous. And
to be honest with you, Jesse, I've never seen failure
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like this. This is absurd.
Speaker 2 (22:21):
Okay, Now that's that's what I wanted to didn't nail
down on. Now, you know this world in ways that
I certainly don't. It was nobody in the audience really does.
Will be a couple guys who will. But the Secret Service,
I know everyone loves to be you know, pro Secret Service,
and I love the Secret Service and of the I
get all that. Let's get past all that and get
to reality. Is this historically a very capable organization or
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is it one that we have built up into something
that it's not helped me understand if we're seeing a
brand new, degraded Secret Service or they've always just kind
of sucked and we've gotten.
Speaker 3 (22:57):
Lucky that is That's actually my take. I think they've
been very professional in the past. I've known several guys
that were in the Secret Service that were incredible dudes,
and that was kind of like that was normal for
the for the Service. I think we've seen a degradation
of the force over the last three to five years
and I've never again, I've never seen a failure like this.
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I've never seen anything like this. I would be terrified
if I was a public figure in the Secret Service
that we have today was tasked with protecting me.
Speaker 2 (23:27):
Okay, so tell me and you can you know it's me, buddy,
you can give it to me right between the eyes.
Tell me tell tell me why Trump shouldn't dismiss his
Secret Service protection and go with exclusively private security. Honestly,
at this point, Clay, I'm worried whether it's negligence something worse.
Tell me, what is that crazy? Is that stupid? Is
it the only way to go? Tell me?
Speaker 3 (23:48):
Tell me the only advantage he has. I would hire
some private security to come with me. The only advantage
of the Secret Service has that private security companies not
is a force of law. So there are certain things
of the Secret Services can do because they have badges
and things like that. I would want to keep them,
at least a few of them around to exercise those privileges.
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But I would be hard pressed to keep my detail
of supposedly Secret Service guys right now. It would be
worth the money to have some pros Okay.
Speaker 2 (24:21):
Okay, yeah, no doubt. Okay. In local law enforcement, obviously,
the Secret Service is going to be supplemented wherever it
goes by local law enforcement, county sheriff, city police, things
like that. Those guys are getting a bunch of crap,
and maybe some of that is justified, but we're talking
about a town of thirteen thousand people. I don't necessarily
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assume a cop and a town of that size is
going to have the training that he would need. But
maybe I'm just been a really generous mood, Clay, What
say you?
Speaker 3 (24:52):
It's going to be very very rare. Usually a town
of that size is not even going to have a
dedicated swat team of its own. It's going to have
a bunch of guys that's the secondary duty for so. Yeah.
So I've also heard that the Pennsylvania State Police UH
swat team was supposed to be there as well, but
we're not. That's a level of competence, okay, you know,
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we can live need on these guys trying to fall
back for especially a former president's security on. You know,
I hate to be that guy. It's not like it's
like they're bad at their jobs. It's just that somebody's
not a full time swat dude is not going to
have the same ability when it comes to personal protection
that you know, the team is going to have.
Speaker 2 (25:35):
Do you have anything to say about the agents surrounding him.
I've seen a lot of people blasting away, how did
it take so long? Why did he not get off
the stage earlier? Or and I've heard other people say, Oh,
it's understandable. They can't be right there on top of him.
What says Clay Martin.
Speaker 3 (25:54):
I'm given I've given that one a lot of slacker
just because those those are professional, you know, protection profess
whereas monkeys like me, it's usually a secondary duty too.
We can do it, but it's not our primary gig.
I think with your service, guys can kig dorse they
need to, They're just it's not their primary gig. I
wouldn't go so far as to say that it took
too maybe sure, rushing a little faster, but again, I'm
(26:17):
not going to throw too much shade at them just
because that's not my my primary duty.
Speaker 2 (26:22):
Okay, Clay Martin. Clay, by the way, what is your
latest book? I can't even keep track anymore now that
you're a full blown big shot arthur author.
Speaker 3 (26:30):
I knew when just came out.
Speaker 2 (26:31):
Barbarian Spirit, Barbarian Spirit. How about that go pick up
everything the guy writes, fiction and non fiction. Clay, my man,
I appreciate you as always. Thanks for coming on making
us a little smarter. I appreciate it.
Speaker 3 (26:44):
Thanks, Jeffy, I appreciate your brother.
Speaker 2 (26:46):
All right, Now we need to address something that has
been all over the news, it's been all over the left,
it's been all over the right, calls for unity, for peace.
You can't go five seconds now without some goody two
shoes on the left or goody two shoes on the
(27:10):
right talking about, well, this is why we need to
change the rhetoric, this is why we need to tone
things down. Things need things need to tone down. That's
what you probably heard a ton of that, And of
course it couldn't possibly be more self serving than it
is in the media.
Speaker 5 (27:26):
For anyone out there who has a platform who thinks
the moment right now is to be political and attack
the other party, you are feeding into the danger. You
are making it more likely there's retaliation. I'm incredibly scared.
I'm scared for journalists. I'm scared for people who have
public platforms of all party.
Speaker 2 (27:44):
I'm scared for journalists. That's classic. That was Jensaki. I
should know. And there's a quote before we go to
break here, we're gonna come back and we're going to
talk about this. Then we'll get to medal of honor money.
But there's a quote by the dude who wrote Dune.
It's this old quote. His name is Frank Herbert, but
I would just want you to brew on this during
the break. We'll come back mar and chat about it.
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The quote is this. When I am weaker than you,
I ask for freedom, because that is according to your principles.
When I am stronger than you, I take away your
freedom because that is according to my principles. We're about
to have a very uncomfortable conversation about unity, peace, toning
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down the rhetoric, and other things. Before we get to that,
you may need to chalk up for this one, because
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Speaker 1 (29:27):
Hang on, get the Cure for Rhinos week days with
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Speaker 2 (29:34):
It is the Jesse Kelly Show. And I need to
announce already right now that there's been a slight change
in plans and you're gonna get used to this for
about the next four days. Okay, for four days, we're
broadcasting from the RNC, and I just need to explain.
There's a convention center and then there's a separate building
where they put all the huge important celebrities like me,
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and we're here on this big radio row and there's
all these TV and radio stations and everyone's broadcasting from here,
and then there's all these people running around and occasionally
there are going to be people who I like who
walk by and producers are going to snatch him up
and they're going to be on the show. This is
a long way of me saying Medal of Honor Monday
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is not coming ten minutes from now. It's probably gonna
come about a half hour after that because we're going
to be having Senator Tubberville on. Wanted to get his
take on it. He's someone I know, someone I like,
so we're going to talk to him and then we'll
get back to Medal of Honor Monday. I will not
miss it. I give you my words, Scout's honor. Even
though I wasn't a scout that would never let me
in Scouts honor will I will not miss it. All right, now,
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did you marinate on that quote during the break? Here
it is again for those who miss it. It's an
old quote from Frank Herbert. He's the dude who wrote
the Dune books, which actually I've never read a bit.
I hear they're good. When I am weaker than you,
I ask you for freedom, because that is according to
your principles. When I am stronger than you, I take
away your freedom because that is according to my principles.
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You've seen many people all over the left, a couple
on the right, all over the left calling for unity. Now, hey, peace,
they calm down. Hey, let's let's let's calm down. Let's
do peace. Hey, let's not make this. Let's let's not
make this political.
Speaker 3 (31:24):
I'm not gonna pullicize this moment.
Speaker 2 (31:25):
We are not going to pull to size this moment.
Speaker 3 (31:27):
It is wrong to pullicize this moment.
Speaker 2 (31:30):
Why is she saying that that's that's the most important question.
Why is she saying that these are people who love
to politicize everything everything. These are the exact same people.
If some nutjob walks into an elementary school and massacres
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thirty kindergarteners, these people will silently cheer and then run
to the cameras five minutes later to grab for guns
and politicize it and blame Republicans. And that's how they
operate every single minute of every single day. But now, hey,
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we're not gonna make it political.
Speaker 3 (32:18):
I'm not going to politicize this moment.
Speaker 1 (32:20):
We're not gonna politicize why.
Speaker 2 (32:25):
Well, let me explain why. One. Unity, peace, those are
great things, don't get me wrong, But the way they're
being used by everyone right now, it's just a bumper sticker.
It's just a slogan. I reject everybody left and right
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calling for unity or peace or any of these things
unless you attach to that a plan to achieve said unity.
Or peace. Otherwise all you're doing is trying to quyat
things down. Quiet and peace are not the same thing.
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They never have been, they never will be. If my
youngest son walks into his older brother's room and grabs
one of his favorite toy guns and runs out of
the house and runs out back and snaps the toy
gun in two and my oldest son goes after him,
and we walk out and we catch him wrestling and
fighting and arguing in the backyard over the stolen toy gun,
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I will probably want to know what happened, But my
wife guaranteed she would be would she would have the
instinct to do what Hey, stop fighting, guys, Quiet down, Hey,
no more yelling, Hey, don't hit him? Hey no, But
that's not solving the problem. There is a problem, a problem.
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Somebody was done wrong, and now there must be a
reckoning for what was done wrong. So they can stop screaming,
they can stop punching, they can stop kicking, they can
stop yelling. But that in no way has brought peace.
It brought quiet, It brought quiet temporarily, but that ain't peace.
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Don't you dare be dumb enough to listen to this
and think a single one of these people desire unity
or peace with you. I just don't even know why
there aren't uprisings of all of the country, and maybe
there will be. People need to start taking to the streets.
Speaker 1 (34:31):
This is a dictator. You know.
Speaker 2 (34:33):
There needs to be unrest in the streets for as
long as there's unrest in our lives.
Speaker 3 (34:37):
Enemies of the state, Show me where it says that
protests are supposed to be polite and peaceful.
Speaker 2 (34:43):
Do something about your dad's immigration practices effectless one they
go low. We can't. How do you resist the temptation
to run up and wring her neck? Biggest terror threat.
The same people you just heard and I could have
let that play for minutes, are now out there today
pretending to want unity or peace. Why And I'll tell
you why, Because yet another scumbag, dirty street commy in
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this country operated off the orders that he thinks he
was given, or possibly even was by the elite commies
in this country. And now they look bad, They look terrible.
Now they all look awful. For all the rhetoric they
use all the time, Trump's a Nazi Maggo Magas are
Nazi threat to democracy, threat to the foundation of democracy,
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domestic terrorists over and over and over and over and
over again, and they pushed another one of their little
vile demons over the edge, and he acted on the
words that he was told over and over and over
and over again. I need to point out.
Speaker 3 (35:42):
Mag Republicans don't just threaten our personal rights and economic security.
Speaker 1 (35:46):
They're a threat to our very democracy.
Speaker 2 (35:48):
He is a threat to the rule of law in America.
That's to me, that's what this election. The evil elite
communists did what they've always done. They repeated ad nauseum
that you you are a threat, you are a danger.
Trump is a Nazi, Trump is Hitler, and some young
nutjob decided to act on that. And the only reason
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any of them are calling for peace right now is
they want you to back off. They are on their heels,
they look bad, and right now they're running to the
cameras and they can't call for unity and peace fast enough.
But if the shoe was on the other foot, not
a single one of these people would have the tiniest
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desire for any unity or peace with you at all.
These people would toss you a brick if you were
drowning in the deep end, you better believe it. So no,
no to unity, no to peace until you tell me
why why should I desire unity with you murdering pieces
of trash. I reject it. I reject all peace offerings, period,
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and the story. I'm all fired up now I want
to keep going. All right, we're gonna talk to We're
gonna talk to Senator Tubberville next, and we have Tutor
Dixon after that, and I'm gonna keep going on this
after that, after Medal of Honor Monday. Before I get
to any of that, I just I just want you
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Speaker 2 (00:15):
On a Monday and eventful Monday, with some things to
talk about. I think we'd all agree there are one
or two things on the agenda. After all, they did
almost murder the Republican nominee for President of the United States.
We have a VP, Joe Biden, still grabbing little girls.
Everything's uncomfortable and awful. Right now We're going to dive
into all of that tonight on the world famous Jesse
(00:37):
Kelly's Show. I want to begin. I want to begin
right here, though. I just want to address the larger
point of what we've all been digesting since the moment.
And I don't have to elaborate what moment we're talking about.
Either you watched it live or your phone was blowing up.
Right when it happened, I was sitting down, we were kidless.
(00:57):
We were childless, which was wonderful for days. I was
sitting down for a movie with my wife. It was
date night, we were in a movie theater. I'd sit
down and all of a sudden, my phone is vibrating
out of my pocket. And that's when I find out,
just the same way you, Finna, and you know, one
of the reasons people seem so shocked and silent and
(01:21):
disoriented when they get in a car wreck or something
like that. One of the reasons that happens is even
if you hear about car res or you see carres
on television, it's not until you're in one that it
really becomes real for you. That That is what this
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moment has been for so many people in America, not
just on the right, in the middle some I'm on
the center left. Wait, so I tell you about a
text message I got from Acamia. For a lot of
people in the United States of America, Donald Trump gets
shot in the head only by the grace of God live.
(02:06):
That was the moment it became real. Now, let's keep
in mind, dirty communists have been murdering people in this
country for a very very, very long time, and in
recent years they've been murdering people at a higher rate.
Look at now, it's real for everyone because it's Trump.
He's the one we know. He's the former president, he's
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the Republican nominee, he's the what you've seen his face
on television. It's now he's someone you feel like you
know more. But communists have been murdering and hurting people
on the right for years now. But when we watched
it happen to Trump, when we watched it happen to
the guy we know, it became real. And so the
(02:52):
conversations we've all had, myself included afterwards with family and friends.
I've been hanging out with people for the last few days,
you know, normal people, not political people, even though I'm
at the convention. Now. If I sound different, that's why
I'm at the convention. So just so you know, but
we've all been having these conversations, conversations that go something
like this, I can't believe this happened. You said anything
(03:15):
like that, you heard anything like that. I can't believe.
I can't believe this happened. I can't believe this is
where we are. I was talking to It was me
and three dudes. We were hanging out with the thrown horseshoes.
It didn't matter, but one of them said, this is
what he said, and just what's you to think about
this because you probably said something similar. He said at
one point, I can't believe we're at a point in
(03:38):
time where politicians are getting assassinated or they're trying to
assassinate and that's what he said. And I'll tell you
it gave me a moment of pause. And here's why
I feel the same way, and my emotional state, I
feel the same way. I can't believe this is happening.
I can't believe we're here. But after I thought about
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it for a minute, I told him, I said, you know,
that's how it's always been, political leaders, cultural leaders, leaders
of any kind being murdered by the opposite side. It
has been something we are so blessed by God to
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be relatively free from here in America. I know, not
totally free from McKinley to JFK. I know what's happened here,
but that has not been the norm here in America.
And now a lot of people you probably already knew this,
but a lot of people are waking up and realizing,
holy crap, that's us now. This is where we are,
(04:46):
this is who we are now. And I don't know
if this will help you process all this or hurt
you processing all this. But what's something we've talked about
a bunch on the show. And I know I got
all the emails, Jesse, you said this is coming, You
said this is coming. That's not important. Why did I
know they were going to do something like this? Remember something,
(05:08):
We live in a country where the government is evil.
The people are not in the country, it is not,
but the government is evil. We have evil people who
run the country. And I'm not just talking about Democrats,
and I'm not just talking about elected politicians. Evil people
run this country now. And when you're in a country
like that, the people don't want to live under evil.
(05:29):
You don't want to live under evil. I don't want
to live under evil. Who wants that? Nobody wants that.
So the people will eventually rise up several people. It
won't just be trumped when many more who come after him.
They'll rise up a system disruptor who will take the
evil system in place, or the people will think he's
(05:49):
going to take the evil system in place and attack
it and stop it. Because people don't want to live
under tyranny and they don't want to live under a
corrupt government, and they'll eventually look for way to stop it,
somebody to stop it. And what happens is when you're
in these types of governments and these things happen to you,
(06:09):
systems bite back, systems fight back, and they fight back
in various ways. But what happened is this went from
just you and me talking about it, reading books about it,
the Roman Empire, the Japanese imperiald from us just talking
about it. It went from that to being, oh, oh,
(06:30):
oh gosh, we're we're here, that's who we are. How
do we deal with this going forward? And we're going
to talk about that a ton tonight. I should let
you know, eh, probably five minutes from now, five minutes
from now, I'm bringing somebody on now, not a political
(06:51):
analyst or anything like that. We're gonna do that all
night long. We're going to talk about the shooting and
the politics and the fallout and everything else. We'll do
all that, but what I wanted on what I I
really wanted because my email was full of technical questions,
questions that I have as well. How could this guy
be allowed to have the rooftop? How could this happen?
What did they miss? What did they miss? Here? So
we're going to bring on our friend, friend of the show,
(07:11):
you know him, Green Beret sniper, Marine sniper, Clay Martin.
He's going to be the one joining us, and I'm
going to be asking Clay a lot of questions a
lot of questions that may be uncomfortable for you, may
be uncomfortable for me. But I will tell you We're
going to get to more of this after I'm done
(07:31):
with Clay. I will tell you I have many, many,
many questions. I don't have details, I don't have answers.
And because we live in a corrupt system, because we
live in a government where the mediaize, and the education
system lies, and the government lies, bureaucracies lie, and everyone's
been lying to us over and over and over and
over and over again. Now we're in a situation where
(07:52):
I want answers. You want answers. And here's the pickle.
All the people who've been lying to you about every
singing for the last god knows how long, they're the
ones who are gonna tell you the answers after they're
done investigating everything. They're gonna let you know what is
true and what is false. So we sit here. We
(08:13):
just watched the non Republican nominee, and let's be honest,
likely next president of the United States of America come
within two inches from having his brain splattered all over
a stage on high deaf TV. You would have witnessed it,
Your kids would have seen it, even if you didn't
want him to on social media. And we're in this
(08:33):
moment where we wake up and oh my gosh, what
happened here. Well, we're gonna have a long talk about
that what happened, and we're gonna talk about this incident,
and we're gonna talk about how I'm feeling and how
you're feeling about all of it, and we're gonna do
all that. After I asked Clay Martin, you know Greenbray Marines,
(08:54):
Clay Martin, after I asked him some very pointed questions
about protection, secrets of us, protection, lax is in communication, malice, negligence,
What did we see Because what we saw is more
than just another outrageous thirty COMI trying to kill one
of us. What we saw was unacceptable. For it to
(09:17):
be two inches away from that unacceptable. I'm going to
talk to Clay about it. In a moment. Before we
talk to Clay about it, I want to do this
really quickly. We again, we're experiencing a reality that other
people in the world experience regularly. Violence is becoming a
way of life. Now, what do you think they go
through in Israel all the time? Now, all the time,
(09:39):
every day. Imagine waking up every day, going to school,
going to home, you're on your way to work and oh, nope, sorry,
we have to divert to a bomb shelter because rockets
are incoming. Oh nope, sorry, have to go pull the
kids out of school. There's a wildfire raging. We don't
have firefighters who can respond to the whole thing. It's
in a dangerous area. We have to fight at ourselfs.
This isn't happening in some book. We're on some distant planet.
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This is happening right now in the world. And the
International Fellowship of Christians and Jews the i f CJ,
what they've got is a pledge, a pledge that all
they're asking is that we signed it. That's really all
they're They're asking for a signature. And what they're gonna
do is they're gonna take this pledge saying hey, we're
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praying for you, and they're gonna go turn it into
Netanyahu over there and show them, Hey, everybody is in
some dirty comedy on TV. Here in America. There are
a lot of people who have you in our prayers.
Go to support IFCJ dot org and sign it all
right support I f CJ dot dot org. We'll be back.
Speaker 1 (10:46):
It's the Jesse Kelly Show.
Speaker 2 (10:48):
It is the Jesse Kelly Show live from the Republican
National Convention. Remember if you want me, if you need
to talk to me, you can't do that, but you
can send me an email Jesse at Jesse kellyshow dot com. Yes,
Jewish producer Chris is getting me all the emails throughout
the week. So there's that. But we're going to set
all that stuff aside because we have a guest on
(11:10):
you already know him, Green Beret Marine sniper Clay Martin.
He's on here all the time giving us some knowledge
about various things, but he also knows a lot about
this kind of stuff that I do not and that
you probably do not. And I don't want to talk
out of my rear end. I want to talk to Clay. Okay,
joining me now, Author Clay Martin. I'll introduce you that way, Clay,
(11:31):
But for our purposes, you're not an author today. You
are a Green Beret and a sniper. Clay. How does
some twenty year old goober will set aside the other
things which we can get to come within two inches
of taking the former president's head off before he stopped.
Speaker 3 (11:48):
Jesse. That's a really good question. And this has gotten
worse just over the day as we.
Speaker 4 (11:53):
Look at these things. Well, we agreed to talk.
Speaker 3 (11:55):
About this yesterday, so many more details. Looks about this
so bad, But it's amazing. One, it's amazing that somebody
got that a kid. It's not like a Jason Bourne
got that close in the first place. But primarily what
I was going to talk about with with you of
your r with it is the stuff that we've seen
from the sniper angle on this, from.
Speaker 2 (12:16):
The counter sniper angle, yes please, okay.
Speaker 3 (12:19):
Well, also I wanted to cover this. People were staying
initially this kid missed because of the wind or the
divine winds saved Trump. It's not that at all. That's
not it at all. I ran it through the ballistic
computer today and even a worst case scenario stating was
carrying a normal ar Is shoes two twenty three rounds
and like the cheapest amo that you can feed it
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a ten mile an hour window and makes it two
point three inch difference at that range at one hundred
and thirty five yards. So it was not the it
was not the wind that saved him, which is pretty
wild now primarily looking at it, especially the the snipers
on the roof that we saw the video of, which,
now that we've done this for a while, I don't
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even think those two actually gauge. I don't know if
they ever saw the guy or if they ever got
a shot off. It doesn't look like it. But people
were asking what was going on with those guys. You
see the one guy come off of his scope and
then try to get back on it and then try
to bounce in and find a target. My thoughts that's
there is that.
Speaker 1 (13:23):
Likely this?
Speaker 3 (13:24):
We also don't know if that was super service or
if it was a local cop, but I either way,
odds are pretty good that he's never shot somebody before.
So it's actually not that admirable of reaction to come
out of the glass. It's like a thing you can't
train through, just to come out of glass to confirm
with you realize, because even a rifle scope offers a
kind of a mechanical mechanical disconnection, So it's kind of
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like an impulsive reaction.
Speaker 2 (13:47):
Now, hold on, hold on, what's that mean? What's that mean, Clay,
a mechanical disconnection.
Speaker 3 (13:53):
It means that even though it's just a piece of glass.
It's just a magnifying piece of glass. You can start
to feel like things are surreal in that scope, and
it's kind of it's like ann and born natural reaction.
You see see people like pull their their night vision
goggles up, like they can see any better in the dark.
It's kind of the same thing with a rifle scope
and noimes. When people are really surprised, they will come
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out of the scope because they just instinctively want to
see with their natural eye. It sounds kind of dumb,
but it is a thing that happens more often than not.
Though you see that happen after they shoot, not before,
but it's not impossible that it happened before. So that
was That was number one that kind of looked at
It kind of looks weird if you're just watching the video,
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but it's it's it's a it's at least a plausible
explanation for it. The second thing that I don't think
a lot of people have got a lot of value too.
It's pretty funny. There's actually a roof very similarly sloped
to the one where the assassin with that one hundred
and forty yards from my backyard, so very very similar distance.
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It's it's very plausible also at that range, when we
think about counter sniper guys, they were probably actually looking
a lot further away than that one hundred and twenty
five yards. That's like eyeball distance. It's like you're the
guys that will ars and stuffers willed to cover that.
So it's very plausible if they were actually looking a
lot deeper and when they had to try to get
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back on that target is so much closer. A high
powered opject on a very narrow field of view, it
actually gets worse the closer you are to an object.
So something that was like one hundred yards you've got
about a six foot field of view. I think that's
what took those two so long to try and get
back on target up on that roof.
Speaker 2 (15:38):
Okay, and then now let's pause on that for a second, Clay,
because I'm trying to understand. I just want to understand
from a sniper's perspective and counter sniping perspective, you say
they're looking further. I understand that. But if you're looking further,
doesn't that mean you have at least some assurance or
assumption that closer has been secured.
Speaker 4 (16:00):
Right, It's exactly right, exactly mostly because I mean, that's
an absurd distance to be looking for somebody with your
you know, six nive creed more than twenty five powers
go do what everything in your wildest.
Speaker 3 (16:12):
Dreams that somebody's gonna pop up their course like it
should be impossible.
Speaker 2 (16:16):
It's just not done, Okay, And that brings me to
maybe the most uncomfortable question. And I may end up
having to cut you off here. We're going to go
to break. But don't worry. If I have to cut
Clay off, which I'm sure I will, We're gonna come back.
I'm going to keep him angst. I want to hear
from him, Clay, And there's been a million theories, and
I don't I don't know what to believe. I don't
know whether we're dealing with negligence, incompetence, malice, and I've
(16:39):
ruled out nothing so far. I've ruled out absolutely nothing. Clay.
How does anybody get a rooftop position one hundred and
forty eight yards from the former president of the United
States of America and squeeze off what we think are
five five shots? How does that happen? Clay?
Speaker 1 (16:58):
It doesn't.
Speaker 2 (17:00):
Okay, that's what I thought, absolutely.
Speaker 3 (17:04):
Never my wildest dreams. But I think so we could
be that close on a rooftop, Like that's different than like,
you know, some sneaky guys stuff and you're moving shingles
or something like that. This is a knucklehead laying on
the roof one hundred and twenty five yards away.
Speaker 4 (17:19):
I'm a little.
Speaker 3 (17:19):
Flabbergasted by that. By stuffing should be impossible. There's no
way that should be able to happen.
Speaker 2 (17:25):
Okay, so you undoubtedly have been involved in some protection
detail stuff. In fact, we're we're gonna go, We're gonna
you know what, I'm gonna. I'm gonna pause here because
I'm gonna wanna I'm gonna want Clay to elaborate further
when we get back. But I'm sure Clay has done
a bunch of protection work. Just guys pipe hitters like
that always end up doing that kind of stuff, or
at least advising on that kind of stuff. I'm gonna
(17:47):
I wanna diget into it with him, how that might happen.
But what what possibly went wrong there or what are
we dealing with? That's what a lot of us want
to know, and I want to know, and we're gonna
talk to Clay and get what he says at it.
Before we talk to Clay. I know what you're probably
thinking right now. Oh gosh, my back hurts. That's what
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Speaker 1 (19:04):
Next Truth Attitude, Jesse Kelly.
Speaker 2 (19:11):
It is the Jesse Kelly Show, and I'm Monday reminding
you about a half hour from now we are going
to do Medal of Honor Monday. Nothing changes just because
we're live here at the RNC just being a celebrity,
you know, it's all I know how to do. Joining
me now, Joining me now, my friend Clay Martin in
case you're just now joining us, Green Beret Marine sniper,
(19:33):
asking Clay some technical questions about what we see and
specifically didn't see at that Trump rally, the failures or
maybe something worse. Okay, Clay, So if you're protecting somebody,
like the Secret Service whoever local protecting somebody, there is
an advanced team that goes forward, oh I don't know,
(19:54):
more than five minutes before the event starts to identify
vulnerable areas. Correct, I am correct about that.
Speaker 3 (20:01):
But you know, as long as you bought like you know,
security that didn't come from Walmart. Yes, yeah, yeah, no
dollarary security. Yeah no. That that's part of the game.
And honestly, one of the weirder things about this this
venue that they're at, especially the direction the shooter was in.
If you haven't gotten to walk the ground yet. In fact,
we may go up there and actually look at the ground.
(20:22):
But even you pull up by Google Earth put it
in three D mode, you see that the area where
Trump's stage was all the stuff that we see is
on a hilltop that's actually kind of flat. It's actually
a little bit of a bowl up there as well.
So realistically there's only one direction that the shots can
come from, like outside the venue. But when you zoom
(20:43):
that out a little bit, it actually gets a lot
worse than most of the graphics that we've seen of
like a single rooftop. There are a half dozen or
more rooftops that little complex. There's no way you could
ignore that. In fact, I don't know if you've seen this,
but there's they're pretty pretty good plausible reporting right now
(21:04):
that the shooter was actually on top of the building
that the local swat team was staged in.
Speaker 2 (21:10):
What okay, all right, so Clay, if there's only one
direction where he should come from, ideally, what would you do?
Would you have a counter sniper team trained at that rooftop?
Would you flat out put a man or two men
on the rooftop itself? What would be the normal thing
to do? That obviously wasn't done, but what would be
(21:32):
the normal thing to do.
Speaker 3 (21:34):
I haven't had that complex this setup. It would normally
be at least three teams of two. There's a lot,
I mean a lot of roofs over there. Normally at
least three teams of two. Part of the reason you
do that teams of two is this readily identifiable. It's
still your guys, all right, that way to see you
to get like one guy is you know, throat cut
another guy with multi tam standing there with a sniper
rifle all of a sudden. But yeah, minimum of like
six dudes walking on the roofs in that area. And
(21:57):
I mean the other crazy thing is if you're standing
on the ground in that parking, you can't see the stage,
the grounds in the way, so being up you would
the roof is the only place that they could go
and have any type of effect. You literally could not
be on the ground looking for things. It's ridiculous. And
to be honest with you, Jesse, I've never seen failure
(22:18):
like this. This is absurd.
Speaker 2 (22:21):
Okay, Now that's that's what I wanted to didn't nail
down on. Now, you know this world in ways that
I certainly don't. It was nobody in the audience really does.
Will be a couple guys who will. But the Secret Service,
I know everyone loves to be you know, pro Secret Service,
and I love the Secret Service and of the I
get all that. Let's get past all that and get
to reality. Is this historically a very capable organization or
(22:46):
is it one that we have built up into something
that it's not helped me understand if we're seeing a
brand new, degraded Secret Service or they've always just kind
of sucked and we've gotten.
Speaker 3 (22:57):
Lucky that is That's actually my take. I think they've
been very professional in the past. I've known several guys
that were in the Secret Service that were incredible dudes,
and that was kind of like that was normal for
the for the Service. I think we've seen a degradation
of the force over the last three to five years
and I've never again, I've never seen a failure like this.
(23:18):
I've never seen anything like this. I would be terrified
if I was a public figure in the Secret Service
that we have today was tasked with protecting me.
Speaker 2 (23:27):
Okay, so tell me and you can you know it's me, buddy,
you can give it to me right between the eyes.
Tell me tell tell me why Trump shouldn't dismiss his
Secret Service protection and go with exclusively private security. Honestly,
at this point, Clay, I'm worried whether it's negligence something worse.
Tell me, what is that crazy? Is that stupid? Is
it the only way to go? Tell me?
Speaker 3 (23:48):
Tell me the only advantage he has. I would hire
some private security to come with me. The only advantage
of the Secret Service has that private security companies not
is a force of law. So there are certain things
of the Secret Services can do because they have badges
and things like that. I would want to keep them,
at least a few of them around to exercise those privileges.
(24:10):
But I would be hard pressed to keep my detail
of supposedly Secret Service guys right now. It would be
worth the money to have some pros Okay.
Speaker 2 (24:21):
Okay, yeah, no doubt. Okay. In local law enforcement, obviously,
the Secret Service is going to be supplemented wherever it
goes by local law enforcement, county sheriff, city police, things
like that. Those guys are getting a bunch of crap,
and maybe some of that is justified, but we're talking
about a town of thirteen thousand people. I don't necessarily
(24:41):
assume a cop and a town of that size is
going to have the training that he would need. But
maybe I'm just been a really generous mood, Clay, What
say you?
Speaker 3 (24:52):
It's going to be very very rare. Usually a town
of that size is not even going to have a
dedicated swat team of its own. It's going to have
a bunch of guys that's the secondary duty for so. Yeah.
So I've also heard that the Pennsylvania State Police UH
swat team was supposed to be there as well, but
we're not. That's a level of competence, okay, you know,
(25:15):
we can live need on these guys trying to fall
back for especially a former president's security on. You know,
I hate to be that guy. It's not like it's
like they're bad at their jobs. It's just that somebody's
not a full time swat dude is not going to
have the same ability when it comes to personal protection
that you know, the team is going to have.
Speaker 2 (25:35):
Do you have anything to say about the agents surrounding him.
I've seen a lot of people blasting away, how did
it take so long? Why did he not get off
the stage earlier? Or and I've heard other people say, Oh,
it's understandable. They can't be right there on top of him.
What says Clay Martin.
Speaker 3 (25:54):
I'm given I've given that one a lot of slacker
just because those those are professional, you know, protection profess
whereas monkeys like me, it's usually a secondary duty too.
We can do it, but it's not our primary gig.
I think with your service, guys can kig dorse they
need to, They're just it's not their primary gig. I
wouldn't go so far as to say that it took
too maybe sure, rushing a little faster, but again, I'm
(26:17):
not going to throw too much shade at them just
because that's not my my primary duty.
Speaker 2 (26:22):
Okay, Clay Martin. Clay, by the way, what is your
latest book? I can't even keep track anymore now that
you're a full blown big shot arthur author.
Speaker 3 (26:30):
I knew when just came out.
Speaker 2 (26:31):
Barbarian Spirit, Barbarian Spirit. How about that go pick up
everything the guy writes, fiction and non fiction. Clay, my man,
I appreciate you as always. Thanks for coming on making
us a little smarter. I appreciate it.
Speaker 3 (26:44):
Thanks, Jeffy, I appreciate your brother.
Speaker 2 (26:46):
All right, Now we need to address something that has
been all over the news, it's been all over the left,
it's been all over the right, calls for unity, for peace.
You can't go five seconds now without some goody two
shoes on the left or goody two shoes on the
(27:10):
right talking about, well, this is why we need to
change the rhetoric, this is why we need to tone
things down. Things need things need to tone down. That's
what you probably heard a ton of that, And of
course it couldn't possibly be more self serving than it
is in the media.
Speaker 5 (27:26):
For anyone out there who has a platform who thinks
the moment right now is to be political and attack
the other party, you are feeding into the danger. You
are making it more likely there's retaliation. I'm incredibly scared.
I'm scared for journalists. I'm scared for people who have
public platforms of all party.
Speaker 2 (27:44):
I'm scared for journalists. That's classic. That was Jensaki. I
should know. And there's a quote before we go to
break here, we're gonna come back and we're going to
talk about this. Then we'll get to medal of honor money.
But there's a quote by the dude who wrote Dune.
It's this old quote. His name is Frank Herbert, but
I would just want you to brew on this during
the break. We'll come back mar and chat about it.
(28:04):
The quote is this. When I am weaker than you,
I ask for freedom, because that is according to your principles.
When I am stronger than you, I take away your
freedom because that is according to my principles. We're about
to have a very uncomfortable conversation about unity, peace, toning
(28:25):
down the rhetoric, and other things. Before we get to that,
you may need to chalk up for this one, because
this is going to be hard for people to hear.
A lot of people. It's going to be very hard
for people to accept. So look, it's okay if you're
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you have questions. I'm not sure about this. What about
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Speaker 1 (29:27):
Hang on, get the Cure for Rhinos week days with
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Speaker 2 (29:34):
It is the Jesse Kelly Show. And I need to
announce already right now that there's been a slight change
in plans and you're gonna get used to this for
about the next four days. Okay, for four days, we're
broadcasting from the RNC, and I just need to explain.
There's a convention center and then there's a separate building
where they put all the huge important celebrities like me,
(29:56):
and we're here on this big radio row and there's
all these TV and radio stations and everyone's broadcasting from here,
and then there's all these people running around and occasionally
there are going to be people who I like who
walk by and producers are going to snatch him up
and they're going to be on the show. This is
a long way of me saying Medal of Honor Monday
(30:17):
is not coming ten minutes from now. It's probably gonna
come about a half hour after that because we're going
to be having Senator Tubberville on. Wanted to get his
take on it. He's someone I know, someone I like,
so we're going to talk to him and then we'll
get back to Medal of Honor Monday. I will not
miss it. I give you my words, Scout's honor. Even
though I wasn't a scout that would never let me
in Scouts honor will I will not miss it. All right, now,
(30:42):
did you marinate on that quote during the break? Here
it is again for those who miss it. It's an
old quote from Frank Herbert. He's the dude who wrote
the Dune books, which actually I've never read a bit.
I hear they're good. When I am weaker than you,
I ask you for freedom, because that is according to
your principles. When I am stronger than you, I take
away your freedom because that is according to my principles.
(31:06):
You've seen many people all over the left, a couple
on the right, all over the left calling for unity. Now, hey, peace,
they calm down. Hey, let's let's let's calm down. Let's
do peace. Hey, let's not make this. Let's let's not
make this political.
Speaker 3 (31:24):
I'm not gonna pullicize this moment.
Speaker 2 (31:25):
We are not going to pull to size this moment.
Speaker 3 (31:27):
It is wrong to pullicize this moment.
Speaker 2 (31:30):
Why is she saying that that's that's the most important question.
Why is she saying that these are people who love
to politicize everything everything. These are the exact same people.
If some nutjob walks into an elementary school and massacres
(31:55):
thirty kindergarteners, these people will silently cheer and then run
to the cameras five minutes later to grab for guns
and politicize it and blame Republicans. And that's how they
operate every single minute of every single day. But now, hey,
(32:16):
we're not gonna make it political.
Speaker 3 (32:18):
I'm not going to politicize this moment.
Speaker 1 (32:20):
We're not gonna politicize why.
Speaker 2 (32:25):
Well, let me explain why. One. Unity, peace, those are
great things, don't get me wrong, But the way they're
being used by everyone right now, it's just a bumper sticker.
It's just a slogan. I reject everybody left and right
(32:45):
calling for unity or peace or any of these things
unless you attach to that a plan to achieve said unity.
Or peace. Otherwise all you're doing is trying to quyat
things down. Quiet and peace are not the same thing.
(33:06):
They never have been, they never will be. If my
youngest son walks into his older brother's room and grabs
one of his favorite toy guns and runs out of
the house and runs out back and snaps the toy
gun in two and my oldest son goes after him,
and we walk out and we catch him wrestling and
fighting and arguing in the backyard over the stolen toy gun,
(33:27):
I will probably want to know what happened, But my
wife guaranteed she would be would she would have the
instinct to do what Hey, stop fighting, guys, Quiet down, Hey,
no more yelling, Hey, don't hit him? Hey no, But
that's not solving the problem. There is a problem, a problem.
(33:52):
Somebody was done wrong, and now there must be a
reckoning for what was done wrong. So they can stop screaming,
they can stop punching, they can stop kicking, they can
stop yelling. But that in no way has brought peace.
It brought quiet, It brought quiet temporarily, but that ain't peace.
(34:14):
Don't you dare be dumb enough to listen to this
and think a single one of these people desire unity
or peace with you. I just don't even know why
there aren't uprisings of all of the country, and maybe
there will be. People need to start taking to the streets.
Speaker 1 (34:31):
This is a dictator. You know.
Speaker 2 (34:33):
There needs to be unrest in the streets for as
long as there's unrest in our lives.
Speaker 3 (34:37):
Enemies of the state, Show me where it says that
protests are supposed to be polite and peaceful.
Speaker 2 (34:43):
Do something about your dad's immigration practices effectless one they
go low. We can't. How do you resist the temptation
to run up and wring her neck? Biggest terror threat.
The same people you just heard and I could have
let that play for minutes, are now out there today
pretending to want unity or peace. Why And I'll tell
you why, Because yet another scumbag, dirty street commy in
(35:05):
this country operated off the orders that he thinks he
was given, or possibly even was by the elite commies
in this country. And now they look bad, They look terrible.
Now they all look awful. For all the rhetoric they
use all the time, Trump's a Nazi Maggo Magas are
Nazi threat to democracy, threat to the foundation of democracy,
(35:26):
domestic terrorists over and over and over and over and
over again, and they pushed another one of their little
vile demons over the edge, and he acted on the
words that he was told over and over and over
and over again. I need to point out.
Speaker 3 (35:42):
Mag Republicans don't just threaten our personal rights and economic security.
Speaker 1 (35:46):
They're a threat to our very democracy.
Speaker 2 (35:48):
He is a threat to the rule of law in America.
That's to me, that's what this election. The evil elite
communists did what they've always done. They repeated ad nauseum
that you you are a threat, you are a danger.
Trump is a Nazi, Trump is Hitler, and some young
nutjob decided to act on that. And the only reason
(36:09):
any of them are calling for peace right now is
they want you to back off. They are on their heels,
they look bad, and right now they're running to the
cameras and they can't call for unity and peace fast enough.
But if the shoe was on the other foot, not
a single one of these people would have the tiniest
(36:29):
desire for any unity or peace with you at all.
These people would toss you a brick if you were
drowning in the deep end, you better believe it. So no,
no to unity, no to peace until you tell me
why why should I desire unity with you murdering pieces
of trash. I reject it. I reject all peace offerings, period,
(36:54):
and the story. I'm all fired up now I want
to keep going. All right, we're gonna talk to We're
gonna talk to Senator Tubberville next, and we have Tutor
Dixon after that, and I'm gonna keep going on this
after that, after Medal of Honor Monday. Before I get
to any of that, I just I just want you
to know that I did travel with my MyPillow. I'm
officially that person. And I didn't even check it back.
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