November 18, 2025 • 43 mins
President Trump has reversed course on the release of the Epstein files. Why? Jesse Kelly explains and gets intel from John Solomon. Jesse also pinpoints two issues that will decide the 2026 midterm elections and why Trump needs to focus on them now. Plus, Marc Morano recaps what he learns at COP30 in Brazil and Eric Swalwell gets devastating news.
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
All right, let's talk about the Epstein stuff. John Solomon's
going to give us an update on that immigration talk.
Is Eric Swalwell going to prison? All that and more
coming up? And I'm right, okay, So apparently we're about
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to get an update on all the Epstein stuff. Is
going to be a vote in the House of Representatives.
And when I say Epstein's stuff and update, I should
probably clarify just a little recap before we go any further,
what Trump said about it, what he's been saying, so
on and so forth. Remember that a lot of the
Jeffrey Epstein's saga is shrouded in mystery. We know a
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lot of things, some things that have been made public.
We don't know a lot of things. We know that
he was a billionaire financier. We know that wealthy, powerful
people had dealings with him. We do not know that
everybody who had dealings with him as a pedophile or
something like that. In fact, that would probably be unrealistic
to think that. But clearly there were some people who
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did some bad things with Jeffrey Epstein. And we you me,
we were tired of powerful people getting away with crimes
all the time. And so if there are powerful pedophiles, billionaires, politicians, actors,
whoever they may be, who are abusing children. Me, we
would like those people exposed for their crimes and sent
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to prison. And this has been something that has been
on people's minds for a very long time, and it
only got worse when Jeffrey Epstein committed suicide while in
federal custody. Seemed a little shady to people who were
waiting for the truth to come out. Now that brings
us to what Trump said over the weekend. Trump comes
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out and says, hey, expose the Epstein stuff. Let it
all out there. I'm paraphrasing. It was a very long
on social media post, but go ahead, let all Jeffrey
Epstein's stuff out into the public. Well that's interesting because
that is a dramatic reversal on what Trump has been
(02:11):
saying recently, stuff like this. Yeah, sir, I just inter it.
Speaker 2 (02:18):
Are you still talking about Jeffrey and Epstein?
Speaker 3 (02:20):
This guy's been talked about for years. You're asking me,
we have Texas, we have this, we have all of
the things, and are.
Speaker 4 (02:29):
People still talking about this guy.
Speaker 1 (02:30):
That's creepy.
Speaker 3 (02:32):
That is unbelievable.
Speaker 5 (02:34):
The whole thing is a hoax. They ran the files.
I was running against somebody that ran the files. If
they had something, they would have released. Now they can
easily put something in the files. That's a phony.
Speaker 3 (02:48):
But it's really a Democrat hoax because they're trying to
get people to talk about something that's totally irrelevant to
the success that we've had as a nation since I've
been president.
Speaker 1 (03:00):
Cut So what happened? Why was he telling everyone to
move on? Shut up? It's a hoax. Now he comes
out and he says, hey, just release all the files.
That's fine, let's be done with it. Let's talk. You
know what a riptide is? You ever heard of a riptide?
Anyone who's vaguely familiar with the ocean understands that people
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drown every single year. People just at the beach. They
will drown because a riptide will come and pull them
out away from the beach, and they'll eventually run out
of gas and they'll drown in the ocean. Now, why
do people generally drown in a riptide Because they don't
understand what they're dealing with, and they try to swim
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against it when it is trying to pull them out
into the ocean. By the way, just swim parallel to
the beach and you'll swim right out of it. Parallel
to the beach, and then you can swim it right
out of it. But people don't know this, and they
try to swim against it, and you can't fight the ocean.
And even strong swimmers have drowned in riptides feeling like
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they can fight the ocean. Donald Trump is an incredibly
powerful human being, two time president in the United States
of America, billionaire, celebrity, worldwide known businessman, and twenty five
years into the twenty first century, he is unquestionably the
man on planet Earth. He has defined planet Earth for
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the first twenty five years. It just it is so
when you have that level of power, you oftentimes can
convince yourself, like that very strong swimmer, that you can
fight the ocean, control it, guide it. But you can't.
There are things that are even still much more powerful
than Donald Trump. The fascination with Jeffrey Epstein, what's in
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the files, powerful pedophiles. These things are not things that
magically go away because Donald Trump wakes up one morning
and decides to start shouting at everyone to shut up
about it, move on. It's a Democrat hoax. It doesn't
work that way. As much as he may want it
to be true, all it did was turn people off
and create a deep division inside the right. Now his reversal,
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I'll get to in a moment. Why was he taking
this almost odd previous stance. Shut up, move on, shut up.
It's nothing. It's a huge shut up move on. I
suspect we're about to find out because we're about to
see these files. My theory is not that Trump is
protecting himself. If Donald Trump had done anything wrong with
Jeffrey Epstein, we would have known about it years ago.
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You know that, And I know that. I don't think
Donald Trump did anything wrong. I suspect someone he knows did.
That's what I suspect. Maybe a powerful person inside the party,
billionaire politician. I don't know. I suspect just a suspicion.
There's someone in those files, and Donald Trump would rather
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their name was not read aloud publicly. But we don't
have to sit and guess. We're gonna know very very shortly,
Which brings me to the reversal. Well, the reversal is
just what I just said. Donald Trump can shout at
people all day long to shut up and move on
and shut up and move on, and yell at this
congressman and that congresswoman and don't vote on it. But
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once you realize the ocean cannot be fought against, you
really have no choice but to finally start swimming parallel
to the shore. So it looks like we're gonna get
it released. We do have to understand, in reference to
his calling it a Democrat hoax, Democrats are going to
attempt to use this to hurt Donald Trump, even though
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if it could have hurt it, If it could have
hurt Donald Trump, we would have seen him years ago.
May's Moore put together this little back and forth of
Anderson Cooper.
Speaker 6 (06:46):
So just like the whole idea of the Epstein list,
so ridiculous. Yes, I mean last year, early in twenty
twenty four, true court documents were released where there were
names of set of Jeffrey Epstein. Donald Trump was mentioned
in that zero accusation of any wrongdoing whatsoever, just that
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he knew him for years.
Speaker 7 (07:08):
There had been fake flight logs of Jeffrey Epstein that
grow in size and new names are added. There's no
there there, and they're disappointing the conspiracy minded people. We
begin tonight with breaking news. Just before airtime, the Wall
Street Journal published a piece with this striking headline, Jeffrey
Epstein's friend sent him body letters for a fiftieth birthday album.
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One was from Donald Trump. It's also interesting to me
that prisident Trump is now calling this a hoax.
Speaker 1 (07:37):
Democrats never cared about it until they thought there was
a chance they might be able to use it against
Donald Trump. And maybe that was Trump's angle in this
whole thing. There's no there there if that's actually true,
and he knew that Democrats were just going to try
to use this to get him to decap his presidency.
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And let's address that in a very frank way. They're
there portion of this, We imagine in our minds that
there is a list, right, there's a list, the list,
a client list, the list. I've imagined it. I'm sure
maybe you have as well. Surely there's like a piece
of paper, isn't there, And on this piece of paper
is written down every bad guy who had bad dealings
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with Jeffrey Epstein. And there's even a little description on
the piece of paper about the exact crime on this
date he was with it. But that's not true. Criminals
don't generally do that. There are files, pages and pages
and pages. There will be all kinds of accusations, and
they are all sorts of bad guys in there, all
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sorts of false accusations in there, all sorts of there's
going to be it's going to be a gigantic pile
of convoluted mess. It's not going to be some simple,
concise thing that you can read or I can read.
And plus they're going to redact god knows how much
of it. This is going to be blacked out, and
that's going to be blacked out, and that's only going
to make people that much more suspicious. I don't know
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that we're going to get any kind of a clarification
when the files are finally released. And the truth is
that trying to shout down the release of these files,
it did hurt Donald Trump politically because it alienated portions
of the base. Remember every base, everyone who gets elected
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president has formed a coalition, has formed a coalition, and
oftentimes these coalitions, they have groups that don't really get
along with each other, don't like each other, but they
want a little something, and they want a little something.
And there were big parts of the Trump coalition, not
normal writings that were on his side, in part because
he said, yeah, I'm gonna release it, let's get it
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out there. Guys like Andrew Schultz, Joe Rogan.
Speaker 8 (09:50):
They've got videotape, and all of a sudden they don't.
You know, you have the director of the FBI on
the show saying there's no tap. If there was nothing
you're looking for is on the like, what why did
they say there was thousands of hours of tapes of
people doing horrible Why did they say that?
Speaker 1 (10:07):
Right?
Speaker 8 (10:07):
Didn't Pam Bondi say that what you're talking about?
Speaker 1 (10:10):
Epstein?
Speaker 8 (10:10):
Or didn't yeah, Epstein?
Speaker 1 (10:11):
Yeah, she said it literally. I think a week before
you had the FBI director sitting here taught telling you
there was nothing right.
Speaker 8 (10:16):
She said something about that there was like thousands of
hours of tapes of people doing horrible crime.
Speaker 1 (10:22):
There is And didn't the FBI dude say that there
was nothing?
Speaker 8 (10:26):
Cash betells that there's nothing you're looking for?
Speaker 1 (10:28):
Oh okay, you know what I should have done.
Speaker 9 (10:30):
It's like if I wanted to vote for somebody who
was gonna end the foreign wars, who is going to
increase the budget, and who is gonna you know, it's
just just silence the Epstein files and throw it away.
I should have just voted for Kamala right because she
was gonna do that.
Speaker 1 (10:51):
It's been bad. The whole thing has been bad. Trying
to fight the ocean has been bad. Whatever reasons there were,
it's been bad. And of course Democrats, sleeves balls like
Adam Schiff, are going to work very very hard. Well,
here was.
Speaker 10 (11:06):
That attitude that if you can make a president or
a party unsuccessful, no matter what damage it might do
to the country, because it's good politics. We have to
get past that ruinous idea. We have to figure out
a way to stop viewing each other as our enemy.
(11:27):
I listen in the Judiciary Committee to a lot of
my colleagues across the aisle rail with just the most
righteous indignation about the horrible weaponization of the Justice Department
under that well known partisan Merrick Garlic. And it is
so fanciful as to be absurd, but they speak it
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with what appears to be total conviction.
Speaker 1 (11:56):
He's a sleezeball. He's going to be all over the
television set making his political opponents out to be the
devil like he always has. Get ready for Epstein this,
and Epstein that, and Epstein this and Epstein that, Epstein that.
The truth is that this has been handled terribly by
the Trump administration. Pam BONDI has a lot of egg
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on her face about the whole thing Trump does. Two.
It's been handled terribly. It's been a gigantic black eye
on the administration. I hope the files get released, we
get informed, and bad people are held to account and
then we can move on. This has been managed terribly.
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(12:41):
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Speaker 11 (13:43):
He says he's concerned that the eptem prog you are
calling for to be a smoke screen to block the
release of more files of things.
Speaker 3 (13:52):
Well, I don't want to talk about it, because fake
news like you.
Speaker 11 (13:55):
You're a terrible reporter, and fake.
Speaker 3 (13:57):
News like you, they just keep bringing that up to
deflect from the tremendous success of the Trump administration. So
they're using Jeffrey Epstein as a deflection from the tremendous
success that we're having as a party.
Speaker 1 (14:12):
Okay, joining me now, founder of Just the News, the
wonderful John Solomon. All right, John, it's been a bit
of a back and forth. It was we're going to
release the Epstein files, and then it was shut up
about the stupid Epstein files, you idiots, and then it
was I can't release the files, and now he's back
to release the files. For those who are getting whiplash,
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can you maybe give us some background on Trump's bouncing
back and forth, because there's no even accusations heated anything wrong,
So what is this about?
Speaker 12 (14:44):
Yeah, listen, I think when you look at the totality
of Donald Trump's statements and involvement in this one. He
had some cordial relationship for Epstein for a period of time.
At some point he found out some untoward things, maybe
because some of his employees of mar Lago were being
rolled up by Epstein.
Speaker 1 (15:00):
He didn't like it.
Speaker 12 (15:00):
He kind of cut things off at that point. And
his point is not that he believes that it's a
hoax what these women are saying. What he's saying is
trying to connec Jeffrey Epstein to some scandal to me
as a hoax. And so his point is people are
looking for a way to make America more affordable, to
make America more safe, and I want to stay focused
on that. So he tried to push the Republican Party
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to let this go and.
Speaker 1 (15:25):
They didn't.
Speaker 12 (15:26):
And there is a period curiosity in America for these
sort of scandals. And even though Donald Trump doesn't really
have any exposure significantly that we can tell from all
the reporting that we know he wanted this to go
away because it's not what he would like the Republican
Party to be talking about. He'd rather be talking about affordability,
the fact that gas and eggs and prescription prices are down,
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or that they're cleaning up cities and getting illegal immigrants
out instead. It's Epstein, Epstein, Epstein, much like Russia, Russia, Russia.
At some point he realized that despite all of his efforts,
this wasn't going to go away. So on Friday night
on the plane, he basically said, listen, if the House
wants to release this stuff and vote to release it,
go ahead, by all means do it. Can we just
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talk about something more important, like what's on dinner tables?
Speaker 1 (16:12):
Say?
Speaker 12 (16:12):
Now, Donald Trump has never said I don't believe the
women or I'm trying to denigrate the women. He wasn't
calling the women's allegations a hoax. In fact, quite frankly,
it seems as though he became concerned what Epstein was doing,
and that's why he cut him off and ended a
relationship with him. I think his point was, if you're
going to try to connect me to Jeffrey Epstein to
make this a big scandal, it's a hoax. It's just
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like Russia. Let's talk about something else. I think the
vote will allow these documents to come out in whatever
real There's a challenge here, which is the judiciary controls
the remainder of the unreleased documents, their grand jury documents.
The Justice Department can't release them. Democratic judges have refused
to release them. So a third branch of government has
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to come between the executive branch and the judiciary branch
and saying we're using our Article two powers as Congress
to release these and therefore you must put them out.
That'll make this go away. I don't think we're going
to learn a whole lot more. I was amused by
the give and take by Marjorie Taylor Green and the
President when she puts out the private text messages of
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the president over the weekend. It shows you how little
some of the people advocating for epstein released documents know
about the case, because it's clear that Marjorie Taylor Green
is trying to tell the president. Look, Bill Clinton was
on the plane twenty seven times. That's why I said,
release these documents. The only problem with that claim is
that for Marjorie Taylor Green, the twenty seven plane trips
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were actually released back in twenty sixteen, nine years ago,
so it kind of undercuts the whole Marjorie Taylor Green argument.
I think most you know we know what Jeffrey Epstein was.
He was a creed, he prayed on young women. I
don't think we're going to get a whole lot more
new information for two reasons. One, if Jeffrey Epstein had
documents after two thousand and eight when he got the
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sweetheart deal from the Justice Department, he almost certainly destroyed them.
And so there's just not going to be a lot
of documents in the possession of the estate. There'll be
some embarrassing revelations about what the government sat on in
eight or nine. That's on the Bush administration, not the
Trump administration. And I think it'll be a lot of
oxygen wasted over something that I think we all generally
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know how bad it was.
Speaker 1 (18:24):
One last thing on this because I want to move
on to Clinton corruption. Things like that, the two thousand
and eight the government sitting on information, the sweetheart deal,
it's one of those things. There are several parts of
the story that are uniquely salacious and they make people,
you know, make their eyebrows preak up, perk up. What
do we believe about this sweetheart deal? The who, what, when, where,
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and why? What did the government cover up? And why
would the government do such a thing.
Speaker 12 (18:51):
We don't know the motivation, right. It can't be because
Jeffrey Epstein was a good guy, because by two thousand
and eight it was obvious he wasn't a good guy.
But you know, basically letting the state prosecute him on
a prostitution solicitation deal and not looking at the obvious,
which was that he was running some form of a
human trafficking scheme or in putting these women's lives and
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well being in danger, the government takes a dive. There
are lots of theories about it. None are clear. I
think the most important document that could be released is
the detailed interview that the Justice Department Inspector General did
with Alex Acosta, the US attorney who was sitting in
Miami when these transactions went down at No. Eight meaning
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we're going to let the state do it, We're going
to do a non prosecution agreement at the federal level.
I think understanding his motives and what pressure he might
have gotten during the end of the Bush administration is
something worth looking at. And we've never seen the full interview,
and it's you know, I think about three hundred pages
if I remember correctly. I think that could be really
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valuable if there is a scandal, is the decisions that
the Bush Justice Department made in eight not to federally intervene. Heck,
when Donald Trump comes in in twenty eighteen nineteen, it's
his Justice department that takes the bigger case that puts
Epstein in prison, where he then commits suicide. I think
the real scandal is in the blind eye or the
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tap on the hand, the slap on the wrist that
the Bush administration chose to give Jeffrey Epstein. And I
don't think we know the reason why. There are a
lot of theories about it. Did he have relationship with
the CIA? Was he involved, was you we know one
of his early clients in his life with someone that
was involved in Iran? Contram is out of motivation? Nobody
really knows. I think knowing what the prosecutor thought, whom
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I have laid on it, what pressure was coming in,
I think that could put to bed a lot of uncertainties.
The real failure here, for most people who know the
case well, was the Bush Justice Department in oe.
Speaker 1 (20:55):
John, Let's move on, because you wrote an article called
the Clinton Corruption Files, tell me what this is all about.
Speaker 12 (21:02):
This is very important. So we are now learning that
the government possesses more documents about what Hillary Clinton was
doing at the foundation and the potential pay to play
scandal that was going on.
Speaker 3 (21:15):
Now.
Speaker 12 (21:15):
About four months ago, I reported that the three separate
US attorney's offices had criminal investigations of the Clinton Foundation
looking at different elements of pay to play allegations where
foreigners or domestic interests making large donations to the Cinton
Foundation in order to get favors from then Secretary of
State Hillary Clinton. All three of those were very active
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in twenty fifteen and sixteen, and then they were suddenly
shut down. And the orders to shut it down came
from the highest levels of the government, Andy mckab at
the FBI, perhaps more significantly because it's in writing the
Deputy Attorney General for Barack Obama at the time, Sally Ates,
who literally gives an instruction to the FBI. These are
the exact words that are recorded in the FBI documents,
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shut it down being no more looking at Hillary Clinton
in corruption that occurs just a few months before Hillary
Clinton is also given a clean bill of health on
her email scandal, and there's a lot of belief that
what was in the emails. We know the classified nature
of them, that the real damaging evidence that might have
been in the Clinton emails may have been to pay
the play schemes, and that's what she might have been
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trying to delete. We don't know, but that's certainly what
the US Attorney's Office believed. Recently, we learned that the
FBI has recovered some of that evidence and they are
now making it available to Congress. Some of it was
preserved by whistleblowers who were involved in the case. We
also believe the little Rocky US Attorney's Office preserved a
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significant amount of evidence. That evidence is now being transmitted
to Congress, and we believe at some point we're going
to see emails suggesting that a defense contractor was making
large donations to the Clinton Foundation and perhaps seeking favorable
treatment from the Secretary of State's office. We're going to
see multiple efforts by senior political officials in the Obama
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Arab trying to squashquash, interfere with the effort to prosecute this.
The line US attorneys and the line FBI agents believe
that they had predicate for a criminal investigation of the
Clintons for pay to play not for the email scandal
that James Gomy absolved the Clintons of, but the specifically
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pay to play allegations. We believe that that evidence is
now in the hands of Congress, soon to be released,
and we expect it to be pretty significant new pieces
of information, things we didn't know about in all the
lawsuits that we've filed over the earth to try to
get anything we can get on what the Clinton's had
in their email accounts.
Speaker 1 (23:44):
John, I don't want to sell anybody any false hope here.
Do we believe someone may actually burn for this? Or
are we way to pass the statute of limitations? And
the best we can hope for is some run of
the mill embarrassment with a bunch of House politicians put
out some information.
Speaker 12 (24:00):
Yeah, that's a great question, right. I think the answer
lies in what Pam Bondi does next. And I think
the single biggest decision Pam Bondi must make is whether
she looks at the last decade twenty fourteen to twenty
twenty four as one ongoing conspiracy and a conspiracy to
protect Democrats who've had potential criminal exposure, Hillary Clinton, Hunter Biden,
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and then Republicans who didn't have criminal exposure, but were
subjected to the full weight of the government's crushing power
in criminal investigations that investigated things that were completely frivolous,
like Russia collusion or Ukraine impeachment or the Ukraine allegations.
Was the Justice Department used to create fake scandals to
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make us hunt on the Trump Arab figures and to
avoid having to address real evidence of the Clinton. If
that occurs, the Clintons could end up in a con
sspiracy case, potentially being exposed. Now that exposure could be
as an unundited co conspirator, it can be as just
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characters in the narrative who were really corrupt and got
away with it. And you say, well, does that matter
for people like the Clintons. Their legacy matters for the
history books, and their legacy could be rewritten by what happens.
But none of that happens unless Pam Bondi gives it
okay to start a grand conspiracy case in Florida. There
are early signs that that is beginning to happen. There
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were grand jury subpoenas issued out of Miami in the
last two weeks that some of the major figures in
Russia Gate and elsewhere. And I think if you look
back and they decide that they're going to look at
this period the Clintons, if they sought the help from
the FBI and the Justice Department a quashes, they could
face some obstruction of justice charges. They certainly could be
exposed in the court of public opinion in the history
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books for things that we knew they did but they
tried to cover up. And now we're going to get
the evidence. It's probably going to be on an uncomfortable
time for the Clintons and the Obamas. Who gets indicted
I think comes down to the quality of the evidence,
and the truth of the matter is that evidence is
just being gathered now ten years later. That's a tragedy
of this. People got away with these things for ten years.
But there is an extensive evidence to gather evidence by
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subpoena to turn whistleblowers in, and there are about one
hundred and fifty subpoenas in the process of going out
right now. We're talking a blast of subpoenas that are
going to bring evidence in. Then we'll have to look
at that evidence, or the grand jury we'll have to
look at that evidence and say we believe is grind.
The great thing about a grand conspiracy case is statute
to limitations matter less. You can charge things outside the
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statute of limitations that happened in fourteen, fifteen, and sixteen
if you can connect them to things that happened inside
the statue of the last five years. One of the
most important events that I don't think gets enough attention Jesse,
is what cash Betel discovered shortly after he took over
the FBI that in January of twenty twenty five this year,
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in the days just before Donald Trump was about retake
the presidency and move into the White House again, there
was some form of an operation going on inside the
FBI to put a previously unseen evidence into burn bags,
maybe destroy them, maybe burn it, hide them in rooms
that they would never be found. That is an active
cover up based on the evidence that the government has
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now put in the court records. These were documents that
were not in the electronic preservation system, so if they
were destroyed, they were gone forever. For some reason, the
items in the burn bags weren't burned. We think maybe
agents with a conscience decided to make it look like
they were going to get rid of the evidence but
leave it and not destroy it. That is the cover up.
That's the erasure of the eighteen minute gap on the
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Nixon tapes or the cleanup operation after the Watergate. If
that connects back and if the evidence they were destroying
were things like Russia collusion, Clinton foundation, or Clinton related investigations.
January sixth, Jack Smith, the cover up will create the
ultimate narrative that these cases, which seemed desperate and different,
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we're all related in the minds of those who were
trying to cover it up. That could change American's understanding
in a big way. I'd really watch for that as
the next big shoe to drop in all of this
sort of post historical scandal era where we're going back
and learning what we weren't told and the truth we
were denied.
Speaker 1 (28:20):
No doubt, John, thank you for everything. I was always
appreciate you. All Right, we're going to talk about immigration.
Before we do that, we need to talk about something
more important. Chips, Aren't they the best? Is there? Anding better?
And sitting down Sunday afternoon after church with a bag
(28:40):
of chips, Maybe something good on the TV. Maybe it's
boor game night. What do you eat?
Speaker 3 (28:46):
Though?
Speaker 1 (28:47):
Because as you get older and you start to look
at the ingredients on the back of a chip bag.
You don't want to eat too much of that, do yet?
So what do you do? I'm not giving up chips.
I don't have to though, because of Massive Chips, delicious
fresh not bad for you chips out there. I have
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I wasn't bloated, I didn't feel tired in like garbage
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We'll be back. Okay, So I mentioned we're gonna discuss
(29:40):
immigration just just for a couple of minutes here, but
I wanted to clarify something. You are an extremely political person.
I am an extremely political person. We're weirdos. It's what
we are. You're sitting here watching me. You could be
watching anything. What are you doing. There's Netflix, Amazon Prime,
there's movies, there's sports, but you're watching me. You're political.
(30:00):
We are political people, and so you're always going to
know more than the general public. Than the Tom Dick
and Harry out there on the sidewalk. You're always going
to know more than that person. That's good. I'm happy
you do. I'm happy I do. I don't want to
be naive. I'm going to know the issues. But it
is also important that people like us insiders. I guess
(30:20):
that's how I'll describe us. We are insiders. People like
us can get so deep inside that we lose sight
of the big issues that actually decide elections. I have
so many issues that I care deeply, deeply, deeply about,
(30:41):
critically important issues that most of the country doesn't care
about at all. Election integrity is actually a great one
because that's a hot button thing for me, probably a
hot button thing for you. No, you should have to
show ID we have to stop the cheating and get
the illegals. That's what I care about, That's what you
care about. Norm doesn't care about it at all. All
(31:02):
the normies out there, they don't vote on it. They
don't care about it. Do you know why Donald Trump
is in the White House. He's in the White House
because of inflation and immigration. That's why he's in the
White House. All those little issues, your issues. I shouldn't
say little because maybe they are more important than those
two things. Whatever it is you care about, shall I'm
(31:25):
not trying to minimize it. This is just a reminder
that with all the little drama here about this, or
even the Epstein stuff, with all the little bit of
this and little bit of that and these issues that batter,
we can lose sight of the fact that elections are
decided on big things, not your thing, not my thing,
(31:46):
big things. We have a midterm election coming up in
twenty twenty six. How's inflation, How's immigration? The answers to
those questions are going to go a long way to
deciding how that midterm goes for us, And the exact
same thing applies in twenty twenty eight. Twenty twenty eight.
Won't be Jeffrey Epstein at this online drama or this podcast,
(32:08):
or it's going to be the big things, all right. Well,
the Climate Commis had another meeting. I know you're gonna
find this shocking, but they found another location everyone had
(32:30):
to fly to to talk about why your suv is
destroying the planet. Joining me now, my buddy Mark Morano,
executive editor of climatedepot dot com. Hey, Mark, why'd you
call it crap thirty instead of cop thirty.
Speaker 4 (32:44):
Well, I've been to twenty one on the last twenty
three of these monstrosities hosted by the UN, and in
those twenty one i've attended, nothing like this has ever happened. Basically,
first thing that happened and we knew there was a problem,
was for six hours, the entire toilet system went down
World leaders, UN delegates. No one could have access to
(33:05):
any kind of toilet, there was no plumbing. Then when
they were stored that they made a pretty scary announcement.
They announced that no more toilet paper could be utilized
at all in the UN conference center. So the entire
conference center you were not allowed to use toilet paper
in the toilets. So they were coming up with special
containers by which you could then place the soiled toilet paper.
(33:28):
And it just goes to show you maybe they shouldn't
have put fifty thousand people in the middle of a
small Brazilian jungle city, or eighty percent of the people.
Speaker 1 (33:36):
We knew this ahead of time.
Speaker 4 (33:37):
Eighty percent of the residents of Belem, Brazil, the city
it was hosted, and don't have access to modern sewage.
But the UN with all their engineering, with all the money,
with all the consultants, with all it couldn't figure that out.
But yet they want to manage our economy in the
year twenty one hundred so we can have the right
energy mix in order to fight global warming.
Speaker 1 (33:59):
Yes, of course thirty.
Speaker 4 (34:00):
We started out as cop thirty. We went to Crap
thirty and hey in the middle, we were at Clearcut thirty.
As we went and visited the new highway that they
bulldozed tens of thousands of acres and one hundred thousand
plus trees down to build.
Speaker 1 (34:15):
You just can't make it up. Gavin Nurso, of course,
governor of California, was in Brazil for the whole thing.
Here he was home.
Speaker 11 (34:22):
Values will start to decline. You're seeing it across the
spectrum right now. In my state, included, which is one
of the most blessed and cursed states as it relates
to climate, we're on the tip of the sphere of
climate change. Simultaneous droughts and simultaneous floods. The hots are
getting a lot hotter, the dry is dryer. You saw
(34:43):
one of the most devastating wildfires in American history in
the middle of winter in Los Angeles in January, one
hundred mile hour winds attached to fire. And as we rebuild,
the number one concerned people have how do I get
my home insured? And how do you get a developer
(35:05):
to develop a home that can't get a mortgage which
requires home insurance?
Speaker 5 (35:12):
Ah?
Speaker 1 (35:12):
Yes, as a reminder, call me this lie about everything
all the time. Hey, Mark, what did cause that fire?
Speaker 3 (35:19):
Well?
Speaker 4 (35:20):
It was man made, It just wasn't man made climate change.
I mean, you can go through the quick list. We
now know from the fireman texts that they never put
the fire out in the first place. We now know
they had inadequate fire response. They had inadequate water supplies,
the hoses rans dry. We now know that they got
rid of the dams and the dwelling because of endangered species.
(35:40):
We know that they had woke policies and weren't hiring
the best people in these emergency response systems. We also
know that they had poor land use management, they had
poor shrub management, they had poor water distribution across the board.
I can understand why if you're a bank, you're an
insurance company, why would you ensure or invest in any
(36:01):
property in that political governing disaster that is, Gavin Newsome
in Los Angeles had nothing to do with climate change.
Wildfires as a climate measure down about ninety five percent
of the last hundred years, where record lows. If you
look back at the history of the US the United
States Department of Agriculture data, there's no there there. And
(36:22):
I love the way he says we're going to have
highs and hotter hots and wet or wets. I mean,
it's just like it's you know, he just comes up
with stuff. None of that's true. We're not having an
increase in flood on climate time scales, hurricanes, tornadoes, flus,
none of it. But by the way, doesn't matter. Politico
has declared Gavin Newsom the Climate President in waiting. He
was greeted as a quote rock star at this UN summit.
Speaker 1 (36:46):
Mark pause on all this for a minute. Brazil, tell
me about the food. Please tell me there's delicious food.
I picture it having delicious food.
Speaker 4 (36:55):
Okay, great question. Yes, I love the food. I'm a
big lover a fish, even the shellfish and seaf so
one of my favorite, my favorite meal, there was a
seafood stew and it was at a little restaurant right
along the waterfront, you know with homeless people there were
actually I ended up having so much left over that
(37:15):
I fed some homeless person who was there just happened
to be happening by. Was it really it's in dire poverty,
but they make excellent food.
Speaker 1 (37:23):
It's food.
Speaker 4 (37:24):
It's got a Portuguese influence, so we had. I had
all the kinds of different fish and I didn't have
much of an impact. I can't say the same from
when I went to Cairo, Egypt a few years ago,
three years ago for that UN summit. I ate liver
and onions off of a divy place and the Cairo market,
and I felt that the rest of the week. Without
going into details, but I didn't have that problem.
Speaker 1 (37:44):
In Brazil.
Speaker 4 (37:45):
Food was excellent. It really was the restaurants now, even
the street vendors I was eating off of, and they
had great They had the roasted nuts and they had
you know corn that they would make right there. So
they had a lot of unique things. Great people what
they need. And the indigenous people actually protested. If you
read the media, you think the indigenous people were protesting
(38:06):
against global warming. No, they had a very legitimate protest.
They were protesting against governments and corporations basically raiding their
ancestral lands which they are deemed the rightful owners of legally,
and taking extracting oil, gas and timber. And that's what
they were protesting, the lack of property rights, not worried
(38:28):
about global warming, and that's what they are under assault
for that. And I would side with the indigenous people
and they're protest on that, not these big multinational corporations
that want to come in and basically steal from them.
I sound like a little bit like a Bernie Sanders there,
But when you go there, you can understand that the
corporations have taken over these un climate summits. It's now
(38:49):
a sanitized corporate message that they promote. There's no more.
You don't even see the left wing environmentalists necessarily at
the booths. It's all corporate America, Bank of America, at
AT and T, you name it. They're all set up
and they're all like sanitized messaging.
Speaker 1 (39:08):
Bill Gates, I have to ask about his recent reversals.
If you will here, it's still amazing.
Speaker 2 (39:14):
Climate is a super important problem. There's enough innovation here
to avoid super bad outcomes. We have to frame it
in terms of overall human welfare, not just everything should
be solely for climate. If you think climate is the
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only problem and it's apocalyptic, or if you think climate's
not a problem at all, my memo will make no
sense to you. You'll be like, oh, no, it should
all be climate, Or you'll be like, why are you
even still talking about this climate thing? Why do you
invest billions of your money into these companies. The middle
position that climate is super important, but to be considered
(40:02):
in terms of overall human welfare. I didn't pick that
position because it's a you know, everybody agrees with it.
It's I think, intellectually the right answer.
Speaker 4 (40:18):
Mark Bill Gates knew he knew in nineteen ninety that
climate wasn't a catastrophe. He knew in two thousand, he
knew in twenty ten, he knew in twenty twenty that
there was a hoax. He's only willing to say this publicly,
that it's not a problem, that that's not a catastrophe.
I mean, he's saying, oh, it's theoretically a problem because
he's got a lot of investments. But he's only willing
(40:38):
to say this because he's got massive investments in AI.
They want the data centers. We already know Larry Finka
Blackrock has said you cannot run data centers on solar
and win. So Bill Gates knows what he's saying. It's strategic.
But here's the funny part. Al Gore came to this conference,
oddly enough, was not greeted like a rock star. He
was greeted as yesterday's news. I mean, he just sort
(41:00):
of showed up with no announcement. Didn't seem much excitement.
And you know what, Al Gore spent his time talking
about how Bill Gates was quote silly, Bill Gates was
being bullied by Donald Trump. Bill Gates was afraid of
Donald Trump. So now we have Gore v.
Speaker 1 (41:16):
Gates. You know, two.
Speaker 4 (41:18):
Potential I know Gates is a billionaire. Al Gore tried
to be a billionaire, but his you know, his fake
meat company went belly up. But you know this is
going to be similar to Zuckerberg versus Musk. I don't
know these two wealthy climate guys are going to go
at it. But his message put a chill on this
entire conference Bill Gates because he basically said it's not
a catastrophe and we should move on, and we need energy.
(41:40):
He's trying to least three Mile Island nuclear plant in Harrisburg,
Pennsylvania to power his AI data centers. So you tell
me how the AI agenda is in any way compatible
with the climate agenda. Bill Gates is leaving the house
and al Gore is making everyone know it. They're fighting
over that. By the way, you know, Bill Gates is
invested in the lab grown meat. So is al Gore
(42:02):
the fake meat. This conference featured Bob's Burgers, and according
to Politico, day two of the summit, they sold out
of hamburgers. We went to the actual food room and
it was the lines for Bob's Burgers were through the
roof and it took like forty five minutes. On the
first day. They also had chicken, they had beef. I
didn't see insects on that menu anywhere.
Speaker 1 (42:25):
These people man Mark, thank you, brother, I appreciate you.
Light in the mood. Next, all right, it is time
to lighten the mood. And once again another Democrat has
(42:46):
apparently committed a crime. Allegedly committed a crime. Eric Swallwell
has been referred for a criminal probe for what mortgage fraud.
Look if he did this, I just don't understand do
all these people do? That mortgage fraud is one of
those cut and dry crimes, meaning it's black and white.
It's did you say you lived somewhere that you didn't
(43:09):
actually live. That's a crime. And Derek swalwells possibly going
to be in very, very deep trouble over this crime.
Every day we find out more and more stuff about
our government just being one gigantic criminal syndicate of people
who get away with crap you would never get away
with and I would never get away with. But still
(43:31):
we can smile because at least we didn't fart on camera.
Speaker 12 (43:34):
The evidence is uncontradicted that the President used taxpayer dollars
to ask the Ukrainians to help them cheat an election.
Speaker 1 (43:44):
Oops, let's see them
All right, let's talk about the Epstein stuff. John Solomon's
going to give us an update on that immigration talk.
Is Eric Swalwell going to prison? All that and more
coming up? And I'm right, okay, So apparently we're about
(00:24):
to get an update on all the Epstein stuff. Is
going to be a vote in the House of Representatives.
And when I say Epstein's stuff and update, I should
probably clarify just a little recap before we go any further,
what Trump said about it, what he's been saying, so
on and so forth. Remember that a lot of the
Jeffrey Epstein's saga is shrouded in mystery. We know a
(00:46):
lot of things, some things that have been made public.
We don't know a lot of things. We know that
he was a billionaire financier. We know that wealthy, powerful
people had dealings with him. We do not know that
everybody who had dealings with him as a pedophile or
something like that. In fact, that would probably be unrealistic
to think that. But clearly there were some people who
(01:06):
did some bad things with Jeffrey Epstein. And we you me,
we were tired of powerful people getting away with crimes
all the time. And so if there are powerful pedophiles, billionaires, politicians, actors,
whoever they may be, who are abusing children. Me, we
would like those people exposed for their crimes and sent
(01:28):
to prison. And this has been something that has been
on people's minds for a very long time, and it
only got worse when Jeffrey Epstein committed suicide while in
federal custody. Seemed a little shady to people who were
waiting for the truth to come out. Now that brings
us to what Trump said over the weekend. Trump comes
(01:50):
out and says, hey, expose the Epstein stuff. Let it
all out there. I'm paraphrasing. It was a very long
on social media post, but go ahead, let all Jeffrey
Epstein's stuff out into the public. Well that's interesting because
that is a dramatic reversal on what Trump has been
(02:11):
saying recently, stuff like this. Yeah, sir, I just inter it.
Speaker 2 (02:18):
Are you still talking about Jeffrey and Epstein?
Speaker 3 (02:20):
This guy's been talked about for years. You're asking me,
we have Texas, we have this, we have all of
the things, and are.
Speaker 4 (02:29):
People still talking about this guy.
Speaker 1 (02:30):
That's creepy.
Speaker 3 (02:32):
That is unbelievable.
Speaker 5 (02:34):
The whole thing is a hoax. They ran the files.
I was running against somebody that ran the files. If
they had something, they would have released. Now they can
easily put something in the files. That's a phony.
Speaker 3 (02:48):
But it's really a Democrat hoax because they're trying to
get people to talk about something that's totally irrelevant to
the success that we've had as a nation since I've
been president.
Speaker 1 (03:00):
Cut So what happened? Why was he telling everyone to
move on? Shut up? It's a hoax. Now he comes
out and he says, hey, just release all the files.
That's fine, let's be done with it. Let's talk. You
know what a riptide is? You ever heard of a riptide?
Anyone who's vaguely familiar with the ocean understands that people
(03:22):
drown every single year. People just at the beach. They
will drown because a riptide will come and pull them
out away from the beach, and they'll eventually run out
of gas and they'll drown in the ocean. Now, why
do people generally drown in a riptide Because they don't
understand what they're dealing with, and they try to swim
(03:45):
against it when it is trying to pull them out
into the ocean. By the way, just swim parallel to
the beach and you'll swim right out of it. Parallel
to the beach, and then you can swim it right
out of it. But people don't know this, and they
try to swim against it, and you can't fight the ocean.
And even strong swimmers have drowned in riptides feeling like
(04:05):
they can fight the ocean. Donald Trump is an incredibly
powerful human being, two time president in the United States
of America, billionaire, celebrity, worldwide known businessman, and twenty five
years into the twenty first century, he is unquestionably the
man on planet Earth. He has defined planet Earth for
(04:26):
the first twenty five years. It just it is so
when you have that level of power, you oftentimes can
convince yourself, like that very strong swimmer, that you can
fight the ocean, control it, guide it. But you can't.
There are things that are even still much more powerful
than Donald Trump. The fascination with Jeffrey Epstein, what's in
(04:50):
the files, powerful pedophiles. These things are not things that
magically go away because Donald Trump wakes up one morning
and decides to start shouting at everyone to shut up
about it, move on. It's a Democrat hoax. It doesn't
work that way. As much as he may want it
to be true, all it did was turn people off
and create a deep division inside the right. Now his reversal,
(05:13):
I'll get to in a moment. Why was he taking
this almost odd previous stance. Shut up, move on, shut up.
It's nothing. It's a huge shut up move on. I
suspect we're about to find out because we're about to
see these files. My theory is not that Trump is
protecting himself. If Donald Trump had done anything wrong with
Jeffrey Epstein, we would have known about it years ago.
(05:35):
You know that, And I know that. I don't think
Donald Trump did anything wrong. I suspect someone he knows did.
That's what I suspect. Maybe a powerful person inside the party,
billionaire politician. I don't know. I suspect just a suspicion.
There's someone in those files, and Donald Trump would rather
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their name was not read aloud publicly. But we don't
have to sit and guess. We're gonna know very very shortly,
Which brings me to the reversal. Well, the reversal is
just what I just said. Donald Trump can shout at
people all day long to shut up and move on
and shut up and move on, and yell at this
congressman and that congresswoman and don't vote on it. But
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once you realize the ocean cannot be fought against, you
really have no choice but to finally start swimming parallel
to the shore. So it looks like we're gonna get
it released. We do have to understand, in reference to
his calling it a Democrat hoax, Democrats are going to
attempt to use this to hurt Donald Trump, even though
(06:38):
if it could have hurt it, If it could have
hurt Donald Trump, we would have seen him years ago.
May's Moore put together this little back and forth of
Anderson Cooper.
Speaker 6 (06:46):
So just like the whole idea of the Epstein list,
so ridiculous. Yes, I mean last year, early in twenty
twenty four, true court documents were released where there were
names of set of Jeffrey Epstein. Donald Trump was mentioned
in that zero accusation of any wrongdoing whatsoever, just that
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he knew him for years.
Speaker 7 (07:08):
There had been fake flight logs of Jeffrey Epstein that
grow in size and new names are added. There's no
there there, and they're disappointing the conspiracy minded people. We
begin tonight with breaking news. Just before airtime, the Wall
Street Journal published a piece with this striking headline, Jeffrey
Epstein's friend sent him body letters for a fiftieth birthday album.
(07:28):
One was from Donald Trump. It's also interesting to me
that prisident Trump is now calling this a hoax.
Speaker 1 (07:37):
Democrats never cared about it until they thought there was
a chance they might be able to use it against
Donald Trump. And maybe that was Trump's angle in this
whole thing. There's no there there if that's actually true,
and he knew that Democrats were just going to try
to use this to get him to decap his presidency.
(07:57):
And let's address that in a very frank way. They're
there portion of this, We imagine in our minds that
there is a list, right, there's a list, the list,
a client list, the list. I've imagined it. I'm sure
maybe you have as well. Surely there's like a piece
of paper, isn't there, And on this piece of paper
is written down every bad guy who had bad dealings
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with Jeffrey Epstein. And there's even a little description on
the piece of paper about the exact crime on this
date he was with it. But that's not true. Criminals
don't generally do that. There are files, pages and pages
and pages. There will be all kinds of accusations, and
they are all sorts of bad guys in there, all
(08:42):
sorts of false accusations in there, all sorts of there's
going to be it's going to be a gigantic pile
of convoluted mess. It's not going to be some simple,
concise thing that you can read or I can read.
And plus they're going to redact god knows how much
of it. This is going to be blacked out, and
that's going to be blacked out, and that's only going
to make people that much more suspicious. I don't know
(09:02):
that we're going to get any kind of a clarification
when the files are finally released. And the truth is
that trying to shout down the release of these files,
it did hurt Donald Trump politically because it alienated portions
of the base. Remember every base, everyone who gets elected
(09:23):
president has formed a coalition, has formed a coalition, and
oftentimes these coalitions, they have groups that don't really get
along with each other, don't like each other, but they
want a little something, and they want a little something.
And there were big parts of the Trump coalition, not
normal writings that were on his side, in part because
he said, yeah, I'm gonna release it, let's get it
(09:43):
out there. Guys like Andrew Schultz, Joe Rogan.
Speaker 8 (09:50):
They've got videotape, and all of a sudden they don't.
You know, you have the director of the FBI on
the show saying there's no tap. If there was nothing
you're looking for is on the like, what why did
they say there was thousands of hours of tapes of
people doing horrible Why did they say that?
Speaker 1 (10:07):
Right?
Speaker 8 (10:07):
Didn't Pam Bondi say that what you're talking about?
Speaker 1 (10:10):
Epstein?
Speaker 8 (10:10):
Or didn't yeah, Epstein?
Speaker 1 (10:11):
Yeah, she said it literally. I think a week before
you had the FBI director sitting here taught telling you
there was nothing right.
Speaker 8 (10:16):
She said something about that there was like thousands of
hours of tapes of people doing horrible crime.
Speaker 1 (10:22):
There is And didn't the FBI dude say that there
was nothing?
Speaker 8 (10:26):
Cash betells that there's nothing you're looking for?
Speaker 1 (10:28):
Oh okay, you know what I should have done.
Speaker 9 (10:30):
It's like if I wanted to vote for somebody who
was gonna end the foreign wars, who is going to
increase the budget, and who is gonna you know, it's
just just silence the Epstein files and throw it away.
I should have just voted for Kamala right because she
was gonna do that.
Speaker 1 (10:51):
It's been bad. The whole thing has been bad. Trying
to fight the ocean has been bad. Whatever reasons there were,
it's been bad. And of course Democrats, sleeves balls like
Adam Schiff, are going to work very very hard. Well,
here was.
Speaker 10 (11:06):
That attitude that if you can make a president or
a party unsuccessful, no matter what damage it might do
to the country, because it's good politics. We have to
get past that ruinous idea. We have to figure out
a way to stop viewing each other as our enemy.
(11:27):
I listen in the Judiciary Committee to a lot of
my colleagues across the aisle rail with just the most
righteous indignation about the horrible weaponization of the Justice Department
under that well known partisan Merrick Garlic. And it is
so fanciful as to be absurd, but they speak it
(11:51):
with what appears to be total conviction.
Speaker 1 (11:56):
He's a sleezeball. He's going to be all over the
television set making his political opponents out to be the
devil like he always has. Get ready for Epstein this,
and Epstein that, and Epstein this and Epstein that, Epstein that.
The truth is that this has been handled terribly by
the Trump administration. Pam BONDI has a lot of egg
(12:19):
on her face about the whole thing Trump does. Two.
It's been handled terribly. It's been a gigantic black eye
on the administration. I hope the files get released, we
get informed, and bad people are held to account and
then we can move on. This has been managed terribly.
All that may have made you uncomfortable, but I am right.
(12:41):
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Speaker 11 (13:43):
He says he's concerned that the eptem prog you are
calling for to be a smoke screen to block the
release of more files of things.
Speaker 3 (13:52):
Well, I don't want to talk about it, because fake
news like you.
Speaker 11 (13:55):
You're a terrible reporter, and fake.
Speaker 3 (13:57):
News like you, they just keep bringing that up to
deflect from the tremendous success of the Trump administration. So
they're using Jeffrey Epstein as a deflection from the tremendous
success that we're having as a party.
Speaker 1 (14:12):
Okay, joining me now, founder of Just the News, the
wonderful John Solomon. All right, John, it's been a bit
of a back and forth. It was we're going to
release the Epstein files, and then it was shut up
about the stupid Epstein files, you idiots, and then it
was I can't release the files, and now he's back
to release the files. For those who are getting whiplash,
(14:34):
can you maybe give us some background on Trump's bouncing
back and forth, because there's no even accusations heated anything wrong,
So what is this about?
Speaker 12 (14:44):
Yeah, listen, I think when you look at the totality
of Donald Trump's statements and involvement in this one. He
had some cordial relationship for Epstein for a period of time.
At some point he found out some untoward things, maybe
because some of his employees of mar Lago were being
rolled up by Epstein.
Speaker 1 (15:00):
He didn't like it.
Speaker 12 (15:00):
He kind of cut things off at that point. And
his point is not that he believes that it's a
hoax what these women are saying. What he's saying is
trying to connec Jeffrey Epstein to some scandal to me
as a hoax. And so his point is people are
looking for a way to make America more affordable, to
make America more safe, and I want to stay focused
on that. So he tried to push the Republican Party
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to let this go and.
Speaker 1 (15:25):
They didn't.
Speaker 12 (15:26):
And there is a period curiosity in America for these
sort of scandals. And even though Donald Trump doesn't really
have any exposure significantly that we can tell from all
the reporting that we know he wanted this to go
away because it's not what he would like the Republican
Party to be talking about. He'd rather be talking about affordability,
the fact that gas and eggs and prescription prices are down,
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or that they're cleaning up cities and getting illegal immigrants
out instead. It's Epstein, Epstein, Epstein, much like Russia, Russia, Russia.
At some point he realized that despite all of his efforts,
this wasn't going to go away. So on Friday night
on the plane, he basically said, listen, if the House
wants to release this stuff and vote to release it,
go ahead, by all means do it. Can we just
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talk about something more important, like what's on dinner tables?
Speaker 1 (16:12):
Say?
Speaker 12 (16:12):
Now, Donald Trump has never said I don't believe the
women or I'm trying to denigrate the women. He wasn't
calling the women's allegations a hoax. In fact, quite frankly,
it seems as though he became concerned what Epstein was doing,
and that's why he cut him off and ended a
relationship with him. I think his point was, if you're
going to try to connect me to Jeffrey Epstein to
make this a big scandal, it's a hoax. It's just
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like Russia. Let's talk about something else. I think the
vote will allow these documents to come out in whatever
real There's a challenge here, which is the judiciary controls
the remainder of the unreleased documents, their grand jury documents.
The Justice Department can't release them. Democratic judges have refused
to release them. So a third branch of government has
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to come between the executive branch and the judiciary branch
and saying we're using our Article two powers as Congress
to release these and therefore you must put them out.
That'll make this go away. I don't think we're going
to learn a whole lot more. I was amused by
the give and take by Marjorie Taylor Green and the
President when she puts out the private text messages of
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the president over the weekend. It shows you how little
some of the people advocating for epstein released documents know
about the case, because it's clear that Marjorie Taylor Green
is trying to tell the president. Look, Bill Clinton was
on the plane twenty seven times. That's why I said,
release these documents. The only problem with that claim is
that for Marjorie Taylor Green, the twenty seven plane trips
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were actually released back in twenty sixteen, nine years ago,
so it kind of undercuts the whole Marjorie Taylor Green argument.
I think most you know we know what Jeffrey Epstein was.
He was a creed, he prayed on young women. I
don't think we're going to get a whole lot more
new information for two reasons. One, if Jeffrey Epstein had
documents after two thousand and eight when he got the
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sweetheart deal from the Justice Department, he almost certainly destroyed them.
And so there's just not going to be a lot
of documents in the possession of the estate. There'll be
some embarrassing revelations about what the government sat on in
eight or nine. That's on the Bush administration, not the
Trump administration. And I think it'll be a lot of
oxygen wasted over something that I think we all generally
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know how bad it was.
Speaker 1 (18:24):
One last thing on this because I want to move
on to Clinton corruption. Things like that, the two thousand
and eight the government sitting on information, the sweetheart deal,
it's one of those things. There are several parts of
the story that are uniquely salacious and they make people,
you know, make their eyebrows preak up, perk up. What
do we believe about this sweetheart deal? The who, what, when, where,
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and why? What did the government cover up? And why
would the government do such a thing.
Speaker 12 (18:51):
We don't know the motivation, right. It can't be because
Jeffrey Epstein was a good guy, because by two thousand
and eight it was obvious he wasn't a good guy.
But you know, basically letting the state prosecute him on
a prostitution solicitation deal and not looking at the obvious,
which was that he was running some form of a
human trafficking scheme or in putting these women's lives and
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well being in danger, the government takes a dive. There
are lots of theories about it. None are clear. I
think the most important document that could be released is
the detailed interview that the Justice Department Inspector General did
with Alex Acosta, the US attorney who was sitting in
Miami when these transactions went down at No. Eight meaning
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we're going to let the state do it, We're going
to do a non prosecution agreement at the federal level.
I think understanding his motives and what pressure he might
have gotten during the end of the Bush administration is
something worth looking at. And we've never seen the full interview,
and it's you know, I think about three hundred pages
if I remember correctly. I think that could be really
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valuable if there is a scandal, is the decisions that
the Bush Justice Department made in eight not to federally intervene. Heck,
when Donald Trump comes in in twenty eighteen nineteen, it's
his Justice department that takes the bigger case that puts
Epstein in prison, where he then commits suicide. I think
the real scandal is in the blind eye or the
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tap on the hand, the slap on the wrist that
the Bush administration chose to give Jeffrey Epstein. And I
don't think we know the reason why. There are a
lot of theories about it. Did he have relationship with
the CIA? Was he involved, was you we know one
of his early clients in his life with someone that
was involved in Iran? Contram is out of motivation? Nobody
really knows. I think knowing what the prosecutor thought, whom
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I have laid on it, what pressure was coming in,
I think that could put to bed a lot of uncertainties.
The real failure here, for most people who know the
case well, was the Bush Justice Department in oe.
Speaker 1 (20:55):
John, Let's move on, because you wrote an article called
the Clinton Corruption Files, tell me what this is all about.
Speaker 12 (21:02):
This is very important. So we are now learning that
the government possesses more documents about what Hillary Clinton was
doing at the foundation and the potential pay to play
scandal that was going on.
Speaker 3 (21:15):
Now.
Speaker 12 (21:15):
About four months ago, I reported that the three separate
US attorney's offices had criminal investigations of the Clinton Foundation
looking at different elements of pay to play allegations where
foreigners or domestic interests making large donations to the Cinton
Foundation in order to get favors from then Secretary of
State Hillary Clinton. All three of those were very active
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in twenty fifteen and sixteen, and then they were suddenly
shut down. And the orders to shut it down came
from the highest levels of the government, Andy mckab at
the FBI, perhaps more significantly because it's in writing the
Deputy Attorney General for Barack Obama at the time, Sally Ates,
who literally gives an instruction to the FBI. These are
the exact words that are recorded in the FBI documents,
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shut it down being no more looking at Hillary Clinton
in corruption that occurs just a few months before Hillary
Clinton is also given a clean bill of health on
her email scandal, and there's a lot of belief that
what was in the emails. We know the classified nature
of them, that the real damaging evidence that might have
been in the Clinton emails may have been to pay
the play schemes, and that's what she might have been
(22:21):
trying to delete. We don't know, but that's certainly what
the US Attorney's Office believed. Recently, we learned that the
FBI has recovered some of that evidence and they are
now making it available to Congress. Some of it was
preserved by whistleblowers who were involved in the case. We
also believe the little Rocky US Attorney's Office preserved a
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significant amount of evidence. That evidence is now being transmitted
to Congress, and we believe at some point we're going
to see emails suggesting that a defense contractor was making
large donations to the Clinton Foundation and perhaps seeking favorable
treatment from the Secretary of State's office. We're going to
see multiple efforts by senior political officials in the Obama
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Arab trying to squashquash, interfere with the effort to prosecute this.
The line US attorneys and the line FBI agents believe
that they had predicate for a criminal investigation of the
Clintons for pay to play not for the email scandal
that James Gomy absolved the Clintons of, but the specifically
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pay to play allegations. We believe that that evidence is
now in the hands of Congress, soon to be released,
and we expect it to be pretty significant new pieces
of information, things we didn't know about in all the
lawsuits that we've filed over the earth to try to
get anything we can get on what the Clinton's had
in their email accounts.
Speaker 1 (23:44):
John, I don't want to sell anybody any false hope here.
Do we believe someone may actually burn for this? Or
are we way to pass the statute of limitations? And
the best we can hope for is some run of
the mill embarrassment with a bunch of House politicians put
out some information.
Speaker 12 (24:00):
Yeah, that's a great question, right. I think the answer
lies in what Pam Bondi does next. And I think
the single biggest decision Pam Bondi must make is whether
she looks at the last decade twenty fourteen to twenty
twenty four as one ongoing conspiracy and a conspiracy to
protect Democrats who've had potential criminal exposure, Hillary Clinton, Hunter Biden,
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and then Republicans who didn't have criminal exposure, but were
subjected to the full weight of the government's crushing power
in criminal investigations that investigated things that were completely frivolous,
like Russia collusion or Ukraine impeachment or the Ukraine allegations.
Was the Justice Department used to create fake scandals to
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make us hunt on the Trump Arab figures and to
avoid having to address real evidence of the Clinton. If
that occurs, the Clintons could end up in a con
sspiracy case, potentially being exposed. Now that exposure could be
as an unundited co conspirator, it can be as just
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characters in the narrative who were really corrupt and got
away with it. And you say, well, does that matter
for people like the Clintons. Their legacy matters for the
history books, and their legacy could be rewritten by what happens.
But none of that happens unless Pam Bondi gives it
okay to start a grand conspiracy case in Florida. There
are early signs that that is beginning to happen. There
(25:29):
were grand jury subpoenas issued out of Miami in the
last two weeks that some of the major figures in
Russia Gate and elsewhere. And I think if you look
back and they decide that they're going to look at
this period the Clintons, if they sought the help from
the FBI and the Justice Department a quashes, they could
face some obstruction of justice charges. They certainly could be
exposed in the court of public opinion in the history
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books for things that we knew they did but they
tried to cover up. And now we're going to get
the evidence. It's probably going to be on an uncomfortable
time for the Clintons and the Obamas. Who gets indicted
I think comes down to the quality of the evidence,
and the truth of the matter is that evidence is
just being gathered now ten years later. That's a tragedy
of this. People got away with these things for ten years.
But there is an extensive evidence to gather evidence by
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subpoena to turn whistleblowers in, and there are about one
hundred and fifty subpoenas in the process of going out
right now. We're talking a blast of subpoenas that are
going to bring evidence in. Then we'll have to look
at that evidence, or the grand jury we'll have to
look at that evidence and say we believe is grind.
The great thing about a grand conspiracy case is statute
to limitations matter less. You can charge things outside the
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statute of limitations that happened in fourteen, fifteen, and sixteen
if you can connect them to things that happened inside
the statue of the last five years. One of the
most important events that I don't think gets enough attention Jesse,
is what cash Betel discovered shortly after he took over
the FBI that in January of twenty twenty five this year,
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in the days just before Donald Trump was about retake
the presidency and move into the White House again, there
was some form of an operation going on inside the
FBI to put a previously unseen evidence into burn bags,
maybe destroy them, maybe burn it, hide them in rooms
that they would never be found. That is an active
cover up based on the evidence that the government has
(27:19):
now put in the court records. These were documents that
were not in the electronic preservation system, so if they
were destroyed, they were gone forever. For some reason, the
items in the burn bags weren't burned. We think maybe
agents with a conscience decided to make it look like
they were going to get rid of the evidence but
leave it and not destroy it. That is the cover up.
That's the erasure of the eighteen minute gap on the
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Nixon tapes or the cleanup operation after the Watergate. If
that connects back and if the evidence they were destroying
were things like Russia collusion, Clinton foundation, or Clinton related investigations.
January sixth, Jack Smith, the cover up will create the
ultimate narrative that these cases, which seemed desperate and different,
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we're all related in the minds of those who were
trying to cover it up. That could change American's understanding
in a big way. I'd really watch for that as
the next big shoe to drop in all of this
sort of post historical scandal era where we're going back
and learning what we weren't told and the truth we
were denied.
Speaker 1 (28:20):
No doubt, John, thank you for everything. I was always
appreciate you. All Right, we're going to talk about immigration.
Before we do that, we need to talk about something
more important. Chips, Aren't they the best? Is there? Anding better?
And sitting down Sunday afternoon after church with a bag
(28:40):
of chips, Maybe something good on the TV. Maybe it's
boor game night. What do you eat?
Speaker 3 (28:46):
Though?
Speaker 1 (28:47):
Because as you get older and you start to look
at the ingredients on the back of a chip bag.
You don't want to eat too much of that, do yet?
So what do you do? I'm not giving up chips.
I don't have to though, because of Massive Chips, delicious
fresh not bad for you chips out there. I have
laid waste. I'm ashamed to say this. I have laid
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waste to an entire bag of Massive chips in one sitting.
I wasn't bloated, I didn't feel tired in like garbage
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We'll be back. Okay, So I mentioned we're gonna discuss
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immigration just just for a couple of minutes here, but
I wanted to clarify something. You are an extremely political person.
I am an extremely political person. We're weirdos. It's what
we are. You're sitting here watching me. You could be
watching anything. What are you doing. There's Netflix, Amazon Prime,
there's movies, there's sports, but you're watching me. You're political.
(30:00):
We are political people, and so you're always going to
know more than the general public. Than the Tom Dick
and Harry out there on the sidewalk. You're always going
to know more than that person. That's good. I'm happy
you do. I'm happy I do. I don't want to
be naive. I'm going to know the issues. But it
is also important that people like us insiders. I guess
(30:20):
that's how I'll describe us. We are insiders. People like
us can get so deep inside that we lose sight
of the big issues that actually decide elections. I have
so many issues that I care deeply, deeply, deeply about,
(30:41):
critically important issues that most of the country doesn't care
about at all. Election integrity is actually a great one
because that's a hot button thing for me, probably a
hot button thing for you. No, you should have to
show ID we have to stop the cheating and get
the illegals. That's what I care about, That's what you
care about. Norm doesn't care about it at all. All
(31:02):
the normies out there, they don't vote on it. They
don't care about it. Do you know why Donald Trump
is in the White House. He's in the White House
because of inflation and immigration. That's why he's in the
White House. All those little issues, your issues. I shouldn't
say little because maybe they are more important than those
two things. Whatever it is you care about, shall I'm
(31:25):
not trying to minimize it. This is just a reminder
that with all the little drama here about this, or
even the Epstein stuff, with all the little bit of
this and little bit of that and these issues that batter,
we can lose sight of the fact that elections are
decided on big things, not your thing, not my thing,
(31:46):
big things. We have a midterm election coming up in
twenty twenty six. How's inflation, How's immigration? The answers to
those questions are going to go a long way to
deciding how that midterm goes for us, And the exact
same thing applies in twenty twenty eight. Twenty twenty eight.
Won't be Jeffrey Epstein at this online drama or this podcast,
(32:08):
or it's going to be the big things, all right. Well,
the Climate Commis had another meeting. I know you're gonna
find this shocking, but they found another location everyone had
(32:30):
to fly to to talk about why your suv is
destroying the planet. Joining me now, my buddy Mark Morano,
executive editor of climatedepot dot com. Hey, Mark, why'd you
call it crap thirty instead of cop thirty.
Speaker 4 (32:44):
Well, I've been to twenty one on the last twenty
three of these monstrosities hosted by the UN, and in
those twenty one i've attended, nothing like this has ever happened. Basically,
first thing that happened and we knew there was a problem,
was for six hours, the entire toilet system went down
World leaders, UN delegates. No one could have access to
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any kind of toilet, there was no plumbing. Then when
they were stored that they made a pretty scary announcement.
They announced that no more toilet paper could be utilized
at all in the UN conference center. So the entire
conference center you were not allowed to use toilet paper
in the toilets. So they were coming up with special
containers by which you could then place the soiled toilet paper.
(33:28):
And it just goes to show you maybe they shouldn't
have put fifty thousand people in the middle of a
small Brazilian jungle city, or eighty percent of the people.
Speaker 1 (33:36):
We knew this ahead of time.
Speaker 4 (33:37):
Eighty percent of the residents of Belem, Brazil, the city
it was hosted, and don't have access to modern sewage.
But the UN with all their engineering, with all the money,
with all the consultants, with all it couldn't figure that out.
But yet they want to manage our economy in the
year twenty one hundred so we can have the right
energy mix in order to fight global warming.
Speaker 1 (33:59):
Yes, of course thirty.
Speaker 4 (34:00):
We started out as cop thirty. We went to Crap
thirty and hey in the middle, we were at Clearcut thirty.
As we went and visited the new highway that they
bulldozed tens of thousands of acres and one hundred thousand
plus trees down to build.
Speaker 1 (34:15):
You just can't make it up. Gavin Nurso, of course,
governor of California, was in Brazil for the whole thing.
Here he was home.
Speaker 11 (34:22):
Values will start to decline. You're seeing it across the
spectrum right now. In my state, included, which is one
of the most blessed and cursed states as it relates
to climate, we're on the tip of the sphere of
climate change. Simultaneous droughts and simultaneous floods. The hots are
getting a lot hotter, the dry is dryer. You saw
(34:43):
one of the most devastating wildfires in American history in
the middle of winter in Los Angeles in January, one
hundred mile hour winds attached to fire. And as we rebuild,
the number one concerned people have how do I get
my home insured? And how do you get a developer
(35:05):
to develop a home that can't get a mortgage which
requires home insurance?
Speaker 5 (35:12):
Ah?
Speaker 1 (35:12):
Yes, as a reminder, call me this lie about everything
all the time. Hey, Mark, what did cause that fire?
Speaker 3 (35:19):
Well?
Speaker 4 (35:20):
It was man made, It just wasn't man made climate change.
I mean, you can go through the quick list. We
now know from the fireman texts that they never put
the fire out in the first place. We now know
they had inadequate fire response. They had inadequate water supplies,
the hoses rans dry. We now know that they got
rid of the dams and the dwelling because of endangered species.
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We know that they had woke policies and weren't hiring
the best people in these emergency response systems. We also
know that they had poor land use management, they had
poor shrub management, they had poor water distribution across the board.
I can understand why if you're a bank, you're an
insurance company, why would you ensure or invest in any
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property in that political governing disaster that is, Gavin Newsome
in Los Angeles had nothing to do with climate change.
Wildfires as a climate measure down about ninety five percent
of the last hundred years, where record lows. If you
look back at the history of the US the United
States Department of Agriculture data, there's no there there. And
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I love the way he says we're going to have
highs and hotter hots and wet or wets. I mean,
it's just like it's you know, he just comes up
with stuff. None of that's true. We're not having an
increase in flood on climate time scales, hurricanes, tornadoes, flus,
none of it. But by the way, doesn't matter. Politico
has declared Gavin Newsom the Climate President in waiting. He
was greeted as a quote rock star at this UN summit.
Speaker 1 (36:46):
Mark pause on all this for a minute. Brazil, tell
me about the food. Please tell me there's delicious food.
I picture it having delicious food.
Speaker 4 (36:55):
Okay, great question. Yes, I love the food. I'm a
big lover a fish, even the shellfish and seaf so
one of my favorite, my favorite meal, there was a
seafood stew and it was at a little restaurant right
along the waterfront, you know with homeless people there were
actually I ended up having so much left over that
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I fed some homeless person who was there just happened
to be happening by. Was it really it's in dire poverty,
but they make excellent food.
Speaker 1 (37:23):
It's food.
Speaker 4 (37:24):
It's got a Portuguese influence, so we had. I had
all the kinds of different fish and I didn't have
much of an impact. I can't say the same from
when I went to Cairo, Egypt a few years ago,
three years ago for that UN summit. I ate liver
and onions off of a divy place and the Cairo market,
and I felt that the rest of the week. Without
going into details, but I didn't have that problem.
Speaker 1 (37:44):
In Brazil.
Speaker 4 (37:45):
Food was excellent. It really was the restaurants now, even
the street vendors I was eating off of, and they
had great They had the roasted nuts and they had
you know corn that they would make right there. So
they had a lot of unique things. Great people what
they need. And the indigenous people actually protested. If you
read the media, you think the indigenous people were protesting
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against global warming. No, they had a very legitimate protest.
They were protesting against governments and corporations basically raiding their
ancestral lands which they are deemed the rightful owners of legally,
and taking extracting oil, gas and timber. And that's what
they were protesting, the lack of property rights, not worried
(38:28):
about global warming, and that's what they are under assault
for that. And I would side with the indigenous people
and they're protest on that, not these big multinational corporations
that want to come in and basically steal from them.
I sound like a little bit like a Bernie Sanders there,
But when you go there, you can understand that the
corporations have taken over these un climate summits. It's now
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a sanitized corporate message that they promote. There's no more.
You don't even see the left wing environmentalists necessarily at
the booths. It's all corporate America, Bank of America, at
AT and T, you name it. They're all set up
and they're all like sanitized messaging.
Speaker 1 (39:08):
Bill Gates, I have to ask about his recent reversals.
If you will here, it's still amazing.
Speaker 2 (39:14):
Climate is a super important problem. There's enough innovation here
to avoid super bad outcomes. We have to frame it
in terms of overall human welfare, not just everything should
be solely for climate. If you think climate is the
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only problem and it's apocalyptic, or if you think climate's
not a problem at all, my memo will make no
sense to you. You'll be like, oh, no, it should
all be climate, Or you'll be like, why are you
even still talking about this climate thing? Why do you
invest billions of your money into these companies. The middle
position that climate is super important, but to be considered
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in terms of overall human welfare. I didn't pick that
position because it's a you know, everybody agrees with it.
It's I think, intellectually the right answer.
Speaker 4 (40:18):
Mark Bill Gates knew he knew in nineteen ninety that
climate wasn't a catastrophe. He knew in two thousand, he
knew in twenty ten, he knew in twenty twenty that
there was a hoax. He's only willing to say this publicly,
that it's not a problem, that that's not a catastrophe.
I mean, he's saying, oh, it's theoretically a problem because
he's got a lot of investments. But he's only willing
(40:38):
to say this because he's got massive investments in AI.
They want the data centers. We already know Larry Finka
Blackrock has said you cannot run data centers on solar
and win. So Bill Gates knows what he's saying. It's strategic.
But here's the funny part. Al Gore came to this conference,
oddly enough, was not greeted like a rock star. He
was greeted as yesterday's news. I mean, he just sort
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of showed up with no announcement. Didn't seem much excitement.
And you know what, Al Gore spent his time talking
about how Bill Gates was quote silly, Bill Gates was
being bullied by Donald Trump. Bill Gates was afraid of
Donald Trump. So now we have Gore v.
Speaker 1 (41:16):
Gates. You know, two.
Speaker 4 (41:18):
Potential I know Gates is a billionaire. Al Gore tried
to be a billionaire, but his you know, his fake
meat company went belly up. But you know this is
going to be similar to Zuckerberg versus Musk. I don't
know these two wealthy climate guys are going to go
at it. But his message put a chill on this
entire conference Bill Gates because he basically said it's not
a catastrophe and we should move on, and we need energy.
(41:40):
He's trying to least three Mile Island nuclear plant in Harrisburg,
Pennsylvania to power his AI data centers. So you tell
me how the AI agenda is in any way compatible
with the climate agenda. Bill Gates is leaving the house
and al Gore is making everyone know it. They're fighting
over that. By the way, you know, Bill Gates is
invested in the lab grown meat. So is al Gore
(42:02):
the fake meat. This conference featured Bob's Burgers, and according
to Politico, day two of the summit, they sold out
of hamburgers. We went to the actual food room and
it was the lines for Bob's Burgers were through the
roof and it took like forty five minutes. On the
first day. They also had chicken, they had beef. I
didn't see insects on that menu anywhere.
Speaker 1 (42:25):
These people man Mark, thank you, brother, I appreciate you.
Light in the mood. Next, all right, it is time
to lighten the mood. And once again another Democrat has
(42:46):
apparently committed a crime. Allegedly committed a crime. Eric Swallwell
has been referred for a criminal probe for what mortgage fraud.
Look if he did this, I just don't understand do
all these people do? That mortgage fraud is one of
those cut and dry crimes, meaning it's black and white.
It's did you say you lived somewhere that you didn't
(43:09):
actually live. That's a crime. And Derek swalwells possibly going
to be in very, very deep trouble over this crime.
Every day we find out more and more stuff about
our government just being one gigantic criminal syndicate of people
who get away with crap you would never get away
with and I would never get away with. But still
(43:31):
we can smile because at least we didn't fart on camera.
Speaker 12 (43:34):
The evidence is uncontradicted that the President used taxpayer dollars
to ask the Ukrainians to help them cheat an election.
Speaker 1 (43:44):
Oops, let's see them
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