November 13, 2025 • 39 mins
What can you learn from losing it all? To find the answer, we follow the story of a family that experienced that very nightmare…and lived to tell us about it.
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Speaker 1 (00:51):
This episode was originally broadcast on January twenty fourth, twenty twenty.
We changed some of the names that the people involved
in this story to protect their privacy. Enjoy. As we
grow through adulthood, if we're successful, we begin to accumulate
things a car, a house, a career, money, jewelry. Life
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is about growth, and we humans seem to have an
unending thirst for it. However, once we accumulate this wealth,
one emotion seems to inevitably guide almost every decision moving forward,
and that emotion is fear. Fear of losing. Fear of
losing what we've acquired, fear of losing what we've built.
Once we've reached a certain level of success in our life,
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fear of losing seems to be the dominant emotion. But
what if our worst fear comes to fruition. What happens
to us if we actually lose it all? I'm Patrick Carelcy.
Speaker 2 (01:52):
And I'm Adriana Cortez.
Speaker 1 (01:53):
And this is Red Pilled America, a storytelling show.
Speaker 2 (01:58):
This is not another talk show covering the day's news.
We are all about telling stories.
Speaker 1 (02:03):
Stories. Hollywood doesn't want you to hear stories.
Speaker 2 (02:06):
The media mocks stories about everyday Americans. If the globalist ignore.
Speaker 1 (02:12):
You could think of Red Pilled America as audio documentaries.
And we've promised only one thing, the truth. Welcome to
Red Pilled America. Most adults don't want to admit this,
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but as we grow and capture the trappings of success,
almost every decision we make is guided by fear, fear
of losing what we've built. But what happens to a
human being if that biggest fear is thrust upon us?
What happens if we lose it all? To find the answer,
we follow this story of a family that faced that
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very nightmare and lived to tell us about it.
Speaker 2 (03:12):
Kia was born in Atlanta, Georgia, and it was a
bit of a rough start.
Speaker 3 (03:16):
My biological mother was eighteen when she got pregnant.
Speaker 4 (03:23):
I mean, her pregnancy was a nightmare for her. She
was almost disowned. She was sent to Atlanta to have me.
Speaker 3 (03:36):
Apparently her father and her grandmother were very mean and
angry about the whole situation because they're very religious.
Speaker 2 (03:44):
So Kia was put up for adoption. However, she wasn't
placed with the family at birth.
Speaker 4 (03:49):
Normally people are adopted like immediately.
Speaker 3 (03:52):
There was something that went on with my birth that
I don't know about and I haven't been able to
find out about. And I was in a foster home
for the first three months in my life.
Speaker 5 (04:04):
She had jaundice at birth.
Speaker 2 (04:05):
That's Kia's father, let's call him Mark.
Speaker 5 (04:09):
And so they put her in like a what you
called it a foster's home or something too.
Speaker 4 (04:14):
You know.
Speaker 5 (04:14):
She got cleared with all that, so it was ten
weeks she was ten weeks old when we got her.
Speaker 2 (04:19):
It was during those early months in foster care that
Kia believed something happened to her.
Speaker 3 (04:24):
A lot of people think that that has to do
with my autism, because it was apparently two old ladies
owns this foster home and I didn't have a name.
I know that I wasn't held or cuddled or breastfed
or any of those things.
Speaker 2 (04:40):
There is some research that backs up this notion. Several
studies have claimed to show a correlation between an orphan's
lack of stimulation while in early foster care and their
development of autism like symptoms. But whether it was caused
during those early months, or it was genetic or some
other cause, Kia's autism would create challenges throughout her life.
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She would eventually be adopted by Mark and his wife,
and Kira instantly entered a family of means.
Speaker 3 (05:08):
I would have to say upper middle class because my
dad as an internist who specializes in cardiology. So I
mean back in the day, he was doing incredibly well,
and I grew up in a nice neighborhood.
Speaker 4 (05:20):
I went to private school.
Speaker 2 (05:21):
Again.
Speaker 5 (05:22):
Mark seems so wonderful child, and I was headstrong, you know,
very smart and very creative.
Speaker 3 (05:30):
I'm a daddy's girl big time, and nobody compares to
my dad.
Speaker 2 (05:35):
As she reached her teenage years, Kira's autism didn't seem
to affect her intelligence.
Speaker 3 (05:40):
When I was fifteen, I was accepted to college, and
so the second I turn sixteen, I dropped out of
high school and went to college in London.
Speaker 2 (05:48):
She attended the American College for the Applied Arts in
London and initially thought she wanted to do interior design,
but figured out quickly that she hated drafting, so she
gave business administration and management a try.
Speaker 3 (06:00):
I didn't finish that either, because somewhere along line, I
realized that I wanted to be a tour manager.
Speaker 4 (06:05):
That was like my dream job.
Speaker 2 (06:07):
So Kira came back to Atlanta and began working in
the music business.
Speaker 3 (06:11):
I had worked for just about every band you could
think up in Atlanta and around Georgia, and I had
sort of my own me too situation with a promoter
in Atlanta, and I knew that I wasn't ever going
to do what I wanted to do from there, so
I moved to California.
Speaker 2 (06:27):
Los Angeles to be exact. While there, her career started
to take off.
Speaker 3 (06:31):
I had some really good friends that were guitar techs,
and so I learned how to guitar tech. And then
when I moved out to California. That's what I started doing,
and by being one of the only female guitar techs
running around LA other bands came along, and I worked
for the Rolling Stones and Janet Jackson.
Speaker 2 (06:51):
And in the nineties she began touring with some music
superstars like Whitney Houston.
Speaker 3 (06:55):
And now I wish I could go on that Hologram
tour because she's not actually there.
Speaker 2 (07:17):
As Kira worked with bigger and bigger acts, the money
started coming in.
Speaker 3 (07:21):
Because I guess I'm autistic, but no one had a
the label for it at the time. Whenever I was working,
you know, for The Stones or Whitney Houston or Janet Jackson, whoever,
I would give all the money that I made to
my dad and then.
Speaker 4 (07:34):
So he made sure that I always had a place
to live.
Speaker 2 (07:37):
She bought a condo in Los Angeles, got married to
a guy she thought was her soulmate, but when the
marriage failed, she wanted to get out of Lola Land
to avoid running into him again.
Speaker 5 (07:46):
Kira's dad Mark, and then she knew I wanted her
closer to home, so she came back to Atlanta met
a guy here who used to go to Nashville, and
so she went up to Nashville with him and liked it.
Speaker 2 (07:56):
So around two thousand and three, Kira made the move
to Tennessee, and.
Speaker 5 (08:00):
So we bought the house for her In Nashville. You
opened up a little clothing business, and.
Speaker 3 (08:06):
I had a boutique in Nashville for a while and
had pretty fancy, you know, Vivian Westwood and Buckler and
really cool brands in my store.
Speaker 2 (08:18):
Along the way of her success, Kira had been accumulating things.
Speaker 3 (08:22):
So I'm living in this house and it's really posh
part of Nashville. And you know, I had a baby
grand piano.
Speaker 4 (08:29):
I had tons of antiques and art.
Speaker 3 (08:32):
Like no one my age really had the kind of
stuff that I had. There was a recording studio in
my garage that I had built for my ex boyfriend.
I always had driven BMW's, I had a seven Series
that I had gotten. I bought my boyfriend a jeep.
I mean, I had just a ton of money. I
mean I had been rich.
Speaker 4 (08:53):
Basically.
Speaker 2 (08:54):
Kiera liked nice things, but she always remembered where she
came from.
Speaker 3 (08:58):
You know, I never for one second forgot that I
was adopted and I lucky to be where I was.
I never took advantage of my situation, and I never
took anything for granted, but I would share with people.
Speaker 4 (09:13):
And so when I was in Tennessee.
Speaker 3 (09:14):
Especially, there were a lot of people around me that
were just very bad people that were around me because
I was kind one.
Speaker 2 (09:22):
Of those people, Kira says was her boyfriend, and.
Speaker 5 (09:25):
She was involved in a bad relationship up there, which
you may have told you about.
Speaker 2 (09:29):
Kira's relationship with her boyfriend began a rift between her
and her father.
Speaker 3 (09:33):
I had been in a relationship at that time for
like seven years with a narcissistic sociopathy who beat the
crap out.
Speaker 4 (09:41):
Of me on a regular basis.
Speaker 3 (09:42):
And I wasn't as close to my dad anymore, or
my family or anyone I knew, because that's what they do,
these people.
Speaker 5 (09:50):
And I never felt comfortable going to visit her because
of this person that was living there with her. I
didn't go up that much.
Speaker 2 (09:58):
And just as Kiera and her father's relationship became strained,
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Speaker 2 (11:49):
Welcome back to red pilled America. So just as Kier
and her father's relationship became strained, America was going through
one of the greatest challenges in three generations.
Speaker 4 (12:04):
For Wall Street, it was another case of whiplash.
Speaker 2 (12:07):
The markets haven't been this fall at only in almost
eighty years.
Speaker 6 (12:10):
This is an extraordinary period for America's economy. Over the
past few weeks, many Americans have felt anxiety about their
finances and their future.
Speaker 3 (12:18):
I'm seeing my neighbor's houses going up for sale.
Speaker 4 (12:21):
We have now broken that record.
Speaker 3 (12:24):
At this point, anything lower than six hundred and eighty
four points is the biggest point drop that we've ever seen.
Speaker 6 (12:29):
We've seen triple digit swings in the stock market. Major
financial institutions have teetered on the edge of collapse, and
some have failed. We're in the midst of a serious
financial crisis, but.
Speaker 4 (12:40):
The question now, when will it end?
Speaker 2 (12:42):
The United States was gripped in a financial crisis that
some said could lead to a second Great Depression. As
Americans were living the global storm, many saw legitimate cracks
in our financial institutions, corruption, greed, and competence mistakes made
by elites that put everyone's personal wealth in jeopardy. A
major distrust in the government began to take hold of
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the country. The bankers and politicians that caused the problem
were largely getting off scot free, and some were even
getting bailed out and made whole by the Obama administration. Washington,
d C. And the mysterious Federal Reserve became a target
for angry Americans who didn't receive the Wall Street parachutes.
Speaker 3 (13:22):
There is no authority in the Constitution authorizing a central bank, which.
Speaker 4 (13:27):
Means there should be no Federal Reserve.
Speaker 3 (13:31):
Ses Now.
Speaker 2 (13:33):
People were experiencing job loss, paying on a mortgage that
was more than the value of their property, and burdened
with crushing credit card debt. Many Americans became desperate and
were looking for a way out.
Speaker 1 (13:49):
That's around the time that interest in a somewhat dormant
ideology began to grow an ideology known as the Sovereign
Citizen movement. It had been around for decades before and
had a growth spurred around the Ruby Ridge and Waco incidents.
Movement went largely dormant for a decade, but as the
two thousand and eight financial crisis reached an apex, interest
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in the Sovereign Citizen movement began to reignite, largely because
it appeared to provide an out for many Americans who
found themselves in a financial bind. The belief system of
this movement is complicated, and, like many conspiracy theories, mixes
actual events with pseudohistory and facts to manufacture a very
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plausible story. To explain their beliefs in the simplest of terms,
we'll just focus on one aspect of their ideology, the
straw man. A sovereign citizen believes that there are actually
two us, the physical flesh and blood you, and one
created on paper through the issuance of your birth certificate,
or which referred to as the straw man version of you.
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Before there was a federal government, people that were born
weren't issued a birth certificate. Rather, their names were simply
recorded in the family Bible. But as the federal government
was created, birth certificates were issued. Proponents of the sovereign
citizen ideology argue that your birth certificate is actually a
bond that created a treasury account with your name on
it in all capital letters, and the account has vast
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amounts of money in it that you can access to
discharge debts. The account is accessed through your Social Security number,
and they believe that account was loaded with value at
your birth. This may sound ridiculous at first, but advocates
of this ideology use very convincing historical events, acts of Congress, legalies,
and facts in your own personal life that weaves a
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plausible story. They do this by basing the ideology in
an alternative version of American history, an alternative history that,
once understood, reveals secret laws that can be used to
one's advantage, so they think. Proponents of the movement believe
that if someone understands these alternative laws and invokes them,
that person becomes exempt from many US laws, including the
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requirement to pay taxes, and are empowered with the ability
to seize private property and force legal actions against others
and extract money from the US government. This ideology became
so prevalent in the wake of the two thousand and
eight financial crisis that the FBI began issuing alerts on
the Sovereign citizen movement, going as far as labeling some
of its most extreme proponents as domestic terrorists. By twenty ten,
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a perfect storm had hit Kira's family. The presence of
her boyfriend strained her relationship with her father Mark, and
on a parallel track, Mark began to have some serious
financial problems with Kira's Nashville properties.
Speaker 5 (16:40):
And when the downturn in the market and all that,
I got upside down in some properties in Nashville when
I was a house she was living in and I
just couldn't afford the mortgage and some other things. And
that's when he came into that I can help you
with that, he being.
Speaker 1 (16:55):
The sovereign citizen that will call Steve.
Speaker 5 (16:58):
I got introduced to this person that introduced me to
this sovereign citizen thing through a friend who was having
a mortgage problem, and this person quote helped him with
his mortgage. He could discharge debts through this mechanism that
people didn't know about. And what sucked me in. I
had a tax bill from the state that I hadn't paid.
He says, I'll take care of it for you, and
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he did, and the bill got discharged, and I assumed
it was through his method, and that's what got me interested.
Speaker 1 (17:27):
Now, the state tax bill wasn't much, it was around
two thousand dollars, but Steve getting it discharged impressed Mark.
Maybe there was something to this sovereign citizen thing, he thought.
Steve explained the concept to him.
Speaker 5 (17:39):
You know the real man who's a sovereign man. And
if your name is in all caps, that's the straw man,
that's the government creation of you. That's not the real you.
The real view is in lower case or up in
lower case, and if you look at contracts, they're always
in all upper case.
Speaker 1 (17:54):
He explained the origin of this well kept secret.
Speaker 5 (17:56):
They passed the United States Corporation, who considered aliens of
the District of Columbia. Treat us this enemy combat us
where the scarman and the sovereign man comes into play.
And we're supposed to be sovereign since we don't live
in Washington, DC, and we have certain rights and those
have been taken away by the Corporation. If you act
as a sovereign citizen, you have all these rights that
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have not been taken away, and you can discharge debts
through this mechanism.
Speaker 1 (18:23):
Because this secret mechanism was complicated and as a result,
could only be invoked by someone that understood the ins
and outs of how it worked. Mark was told either way,
he just experienced the benefits of this mechanism through the
discharge of his state tax debt.
Speaker 5 (18:38):
The thing that got me involved is when he discharged
this debt. Because I was managing two pieces of property
in Naturville. That's when when this sovereign citiz is going
to help me out. See, I was sort of way
underwater and he came along, and I thought, well, maybe
this is my salvation.
Speaker 1 (19:03):
Besides his state taxes, Steve said he could help Mark
discharge other debts using the same mechanism. So he asked
Mark if he could live in his guest house previously
occupied by his daughter Kira, and live there rent free
in exchange for working to discharge the debts. Mark, now
in a bind triggered by the financial crisis, agreed. Steve
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moved in and went to work, but he.
Speaker 5 (19:25):
Would take credit card bills and he would quote discharge
them and I would not get into credit card bills
from them, so I thought this had been discharged.
Speaker 1 (19:32):
Because this mechanism was so complicated, soaked in legalese derived
from alleged arcane historical events, the two went to seminars
to learn more. But what Mark didn't know at the
time was that Steve was getting him further and further
into financial trouble. You see, there was no way to
discharge this debt. There was no secret account that could
be accessed by your Social Security card. And even if
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part of the ideology was based on some legitimate legal argument,
and some of it is, none of it could actually
be put into action to legal discharged debt. Eventually, the banks,
the irs, or all of the above would come knocking.
When Kira met Steve and learned about what he was
doing for her father, she quickly smelled a rat and
let her dad know. Again.
Speaker 3 (20:19):
Kira, my dad had made friends with this guy who's
a sovereign citizen, but he was the best con man.
Speaker 4 (20:27):
So my dad ends up trusting him with a lot
of stuff.
Speaker 3 (20:29):
But he hated me because from the second I met him,
I knew he was a problem, and I did a
background check and I found out that he had had
a lot of trouble with the law, and I kept
trying to tell my dad about it, but I wasn't
there in my dad's face every day. I was living
in Tennessee and my dad was in Atlanta. And this
guy he's just running around, you know, acting like my
dad's best friend, and he's saving him all this money,
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and he's you know, my dad is the kind of
guy who he's still looking for Bigfoot. You know, he
knows he's out there. My dad believes a lot of
conspiracy theories, and he and I have kind of sometimes
arguments about Q because my dad's a little bit gullible
with that stuff.
Speaker 1 (21:10):
Steve must have sinceed Kira was on doing.
Speaker 3 (21:12):
The first thing I guess he figured that he needed
to do was get me out of the way because
I was going to call his bluff at some point
or another, and my dad was going to get wise
to him.
Speaker 1 (21:20):
With Kira and her father's relationship now strained because of
her boyfriend, Steve saw an opening.
Speaker 3 (21:26):
He had tried to tell my dad that I was
on crack, which I wasn't. He tried to tell my
dad that I didn't have anything left in my house
because of the crack, which was totally untrue. I've never
done crack in my life, and my dad believed it.
Speaker 5 (21:40):
But we always thought he was a good guy, and
he thought of became part of the family. Really like
a Bernie Madoff personality. You know, Bernie Madoff could sell
your stock, just charm you and get you to invest
in him. And of course now he's in jail. But
this guy's very charming and very good with words, and
he could convince you about all this stuff, and he
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would show you the proof. He'd show you some of
these articles. Well, he explained how it worked. Sounded very plausible.
Speaker 1 (22:06):
So Steve started making moves on Kira's house. Mark was
upside down on the mortgage and could no longer afford
to make the payment. So Steve convinced Mark that he
was going to use his sovereign citizen mechanism, the same
one used to discharge his state tax and credit card debt,
to eliminate Kira's house mortgage with the bank but still
retain the property.
Speaker 5 (22:25):
He wanted to go to court for mease, he had
to have some ownership in the properties to do that,
and so I gave him ownership and the property to
go to court on my behalf, and so he theoretically
owned the property.
Speaker 1 (22:36):
To many, this may sound like a really dumb move,
and of course it was, but Mark is not a
dumb man. At the time, he'd been successfully practicing medicine
for roughly four decades and had accumulated enough wealth to
be living in a multimillion dollar estate in Atlanta. He
was now in a financial bind, and his friend had
already discharged several of his debts. The proof was in
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the results, because the state tax debts showed up resolved
and the credit card statements stopped coming. Steve must have
been doing something right or underhanded, so Mark gave him
what he needed. Steve, in turn, began to execute his
legal mechanisms to attempt to eliminate the mortgages on both
the retail property and Kira's home in Nashville. For what
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happened next surprised everyone. Mark received a foreclosure notice on
Kira's house.
Speaker 5 (23:24):
And so when the foreclosed, I knew they're probably going
to evict her. He said, don't worry about it. It
takes a long time for them to do that.
Speaker 1 (23:32):
But it didn't take long at all. On July seventh,
twenty eleven, Kira woke up to a knock at her door.
Speaker 3 (23:39):
I opened my door at six in the morning, and
there was three sheriffs pointing guns at me, pointing guns
at me, and they said.
Speaker 4 (23:48):
Can you step outside please?
Speaker 3 (23:49):
And I step outside and got my phone in my
hand and I'm in my pajamas and they explained to
me that I was being evicted.
Speaker 4 (23:56):
I couldn't go back in my house and I was
going to need to leave the property. And I'm like what,
And I'm begging.
Speaker 3 (24:02):
Them to go get my jewelry box, be able to
go get my purse, go get my computer.
Speaker 4 (24:08):
Can they just please come back tomorrow they can have
the house.
Speaker 3 (24:11):
I don't care, just please, you know, like literally, I
had no idea that this was going to.
Speaker 4 (24:17):
Happen, and they were like no, And there was.
Speaker 3 (24:20):
All these people out in the yard from a company
that is supposed.
Speaker 4 (24:25):
To evict people.
Speaker 1 (24:27):
Kira never got a notice of eviction. She suspects that
the notice went to the sovereign citizen Steve instead of her.
Speaker 3 (24:34):
I had no idea they were going to show up,
and I had guns in my house.
Speaker 4 (24:38):
So the first thing that they did was go crazy
looking for these guns.
Speaker 3 (24:42):
And they gave me my flip flops and my purse
and my car keys, and I'm like, flip flops are
so handy when you have socks on.
Speaker 4 (24:49):
I was crying my eyes.
Speaker 3 (24:50):
Out and these people walked into my house and it
took them three days to take everything out of my
house and put it in the yard. Immediately they were
putting Gucci, Prada, Louis Vuitton, everything in the yard.
Speaker 1 (25:09):
But the next step took the ordeal to an entirely
new level.
Speaker 3 (25:13):
They made me leave the property because I couldn't stand
in the street because of that would be blocking traffic,
and I couldn't stand in the yard because I'm trespassing.
Speaker 1 (25:22):
So Kira was forced to leave. The next day, in
the wee hours of the morning, a neighbor saw someone
drive up to the house towing a trailer, then loading
up some of the items from the front lawn. Again Mark, and.
Speaker 5 (25:33):
She got evicted. But he was not helping me do
anything to keep the property. And so I think he
was doing that on presis because my daughter had a
lot of nice things and they got all thrown out
and he was there trying to help, but I think
he ended up with a lot of stuff I lost everything.
Speaker 3 (25:48):
So the house was a half a million dollar house,
and I had probably close to a million dollars worth
of clothes and art and antiques and jewelry. I had
three hundred thousand dollars and jewelry gone.
Speaker 1 (26:04):
About a year earlier, Kira slowed down on her spending.
Speaker 3 (26:07):
I guess maybe in the last year before I was evicted.
You know, I couldn't spend like that because there just
wasn't that much money.
Speaker 1 (26:15):
She was cash poor but possession rich.
Speaker 3 (26:18):
So I had made this plan that I was going
to buy an RV and live in it. I know
that sounds ridiculous, but I just needed to. I needed
to get out of that relationship, get out of Nashville.
And everything I had was assets. It wasn't cash, And
so I had enough stuff to where I could sell
some jewelry and buy a nice.
Speaker 4 (26:39):
Prevot, you know, to live in if I wanted.
Speaker 3 (26:41):
And these things were about to happen when I was evicted.
Speaker 1 (26:45):
But after the eviction, being forced off the property, then
some of her most prized possessions disappearing into thin air.
Kira was left with nothing, and to top it off,
Steve was still living in her father's guesthouse. She had
nowhere to go. Kira was homeless in Nashville, so she
turned to a local motel.
Speaker 3 (27:04):
And I'm living in a motel for a year and
a half, and I was consumed with all this anger.
Speaker 1 (27:09):
Filled with anger because she strongly suspected the man that
blindsided her with an eviction and left her with nothing
was still living in her father's guesthouse.
Speaker 3 (27:18):
And he loaded a bunch of my furniture answered the trailer,
and my dad wouldn't believe me that he had done that.
So for the first year and a half, I'm living
in a motel, not even knowing if I'm going to
be able to stay there.
Speaker 4 (27:31):
I lost everything.
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Speaker 1 (27:56):
Welcome back to Red Pilled America. So, after some shady
moves by her father's friend Steve, Kira had suddenly been evicted.
All of her valuables were placed on the lawn and
one by one they were trucked away, some by Steve himself.
Kira did some soul searching throughout that time. In the
depths of her despair, having lost everything, her home, her jewelry,
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her things, she found something to hold on to. She
had faith that she could break the spell held over
her father.
Speaker 3 (28:26):
And because I've just always thought my dad hung the moon,
and the only times that I've ever thought that I
could end my life were times that I thought my
dad wasn't going to be in it. So for me
just wasn't a choice to give up on that. There
wasn't any way that I was going to be able
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to go.
Speaker 4 (28:48):
Forward and live without my dad.
Speaker 5 (28:51):
And my life.
Speaker 3 (28:52):
And I have this insane hope always. I guess I
was blessed with it. I'm always hopeful, and I just
knew I believed that if I should owed him the truth,
that everything would be okay.
Speaker 1 (29:06):
So she set her sights on getting back to Atlanta
to do that. Kira reconnected with two acquaintances in the area.
One offered her a job, the other a place to stay.
Speaker 3 (29:15):
And these were people that I had barely spoken to
like in my life prior I knew them, you know,
they were acquaintances, but they reached out and so I
came back to Atlanta.
Speaker 1 (29:27):
But on her return, Kira was in the midst of
another crisis situation, and at.
Speaker 3 (29:31):
That point, every time I stood up, I would black out.
So the day after I got back to Atlanta, I
went and checked into the hospital and I called my
dad and said, I've got to go to the hospital.
Speaker 1 (29:43):
Steve was still living with Mark at the time, and
he still had him under his spell.
Speaker 4 (29:47):
And my dad didn't believe me that I was sick.
Speaker 3 (29:49):
So I get so I go to his hospital and
my hemoglobin is a four, and most people with a
four hemoglobin are dead.
Speaker 4 (29:57):
I don't know how I had how I wasn't.
Speaker 3 (30:00):
Dead, but I was huge from a like my legs
looked like I had elephant titus. And I was suffering
from high output congested part failure.
Speaker 4 (30:12):
And it was probably about ten hours away from being
dead at that point.
Speaker 3 (30:17):
And it was a very big rush and craziness to
get me a whole lot of blood and to.
Speaker 4 (30:21):
Get me stable.
Speaker 3 (30:24):
And my dad, you know, was there at the hospital,
and he felt really bad because he didn't really believe
me when I told him I was sick.
Speaker 1 (30:30):
It was through this time that Kurra and her father's
relationship began to thaw, and.
Speaker 4 (30:35):
It was still a fight, you know. After I got
out of the hospital, my mom didn't really want me
back at the house. So I was living in this
store that I was managing.
Speaker 3 (30:45):
I was living upstairs and also for a while in
a warehouse.
Speaker 1 (30:51):
As their relationship warmed, Kira continued to try to convince
her father that Steve was a con man.
Speaker 3 (30:57):
And one day I couldn't take it anymore and I
called the Atlanta Police Apartment Fraud Division. But I left
a message and I was crying, and I'm like, this
man has taken you know, He's lied to my father,
and nobody will believe me.
Speaker 4 (31:12):
I've lost everything I owned. I've nearly died.
Speaker 3 (31:16):
You know, and nobody, nobody.
Speaker 4 (31:19):
Will believe me.
Speaker 3 (31:20):
And he heard the message and struck chord with him and.
Speaker 4 (31:25):
He called me back that day and then he told me.
Speaker 3 (31:29):
To bring my father down to the police station, and
I did, and he showed my dad the biggest raft
sheet ever.
Speaker 5 (31:41):
My daughter was smart enough to go to the fraud
unit of Filton County, City of Atlanta, and I met
a Sergeant Cooper who she was talking to. They had
a three inch thick file on this guy, and they've
been you know, cracking him.
Speaker 4 (31:56):
And this guy was just a scammer.
Speaker 3 (31:59):
He would open an empty bank account and then go
buy cars with electronic checks on the empty bank account,
but be gone by the time they figured out there
was no money. And it turned out that the person
who had introduced my dad he ended up having his
house foreclosed punt. He lost everything, and he now is
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you know, he's in his sixties or maybe early seventies,
and he lives with his mom.
Speaker 5 (32:27):
Met Sergeant Cooper with her. We went down to this
you know, police and met him and sat with him
for about an hour. He showed me all the stuff
on him, and I began to see what he was doing, and.
Speaker 3 (32:38):
My dad kind of didn't believe it, you know, like
he was having hard time, specially admitting to himself that
he had been so fooled.
Speaker 5 (32:47):
Well, now I got exposed to what Sergeant Cooper showed me.
And then I had an old Mercedes I wanted to sell.
He was going to help me sell it, and so
he showed up one afternoon with a Valvo wagon. He
said he traded my Mercedes for this Valgo wagons, which
was a piece of garbage, but it gave him a
car to drive, and so that pissed me off. No,
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I mean it was a done deal. I couldn't do
anything about it. Then his daughter came and she wanted
to stay with him up in the guesthouse. Find out
I wanted to get rid of him.
Speaker 4 (33:16):
When my dad told him he had to leave, he said,
I'm not leaving. You're going to have to evict me.
Speaker 3 (33:21):
So we had to go through that whole huge process
where you send somebody letters and all that to get
him off my dad's property.
Speaker 5 (33:28):
And I couldn't. He wouldn't leave, and he said he
a three had a five year lease from me that
I had signed, which is a lie.
Speaker 1 (33:36):
So Kira wrote an eviction notice for her father and
he sent it to Steve, and that's when Steve invoked
another sovereign sy's in tactic.
Speaker 5 (33:44):
You can confreight your name and put it in the
public domain that your name is copyrighted, and then you
drop a thing that anybody who uses your name without
your prombission you find on a million dollars.
Speaker 1 (33:55):
So by sending Steve an eviction notice and using his
name in the letter, Steve claimed that Mark was violating
his copyright.
Speaker 5 (34:03):
You've got your name copyrighted. I write you a letter
and put your name on the envelope. I've used your
name without your commission, so you send me a bill.
And so he pulled that on me. So I owe
him theoretically, I think five million dollars for using his name.
Speaker 1 (34:19):
Sovereigns like to clog the courts with frivolous lawsuits to
harass their targets. Steve wasn't finished there. He took Mark
to court, claiming Mark violated his lease by attempting to
evict him.
Speaker 5 (34:35):
So we went to court and he produced this lease
which was a you know, a ball of plate lease
off the internet, and he put in there he could
have his daughter stay with him, and it was a
five year lease, and signed my name, forged my name
on it. And so the court saw through that. And
then he tried to steal a car that I had bought,
and they ended up putting him in jail. I think
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for that.
Speaker 1 (34:56):
Local law enforcement eventually indicted Steve.
Speaker 3 (35:00):
For all kinds of financial fraud crimes as well as
taking advantage of elderly person. And then at one of
the hearings, I was there and he winked at me.
He was in the courtroom. He winked at me, and
I swear if I could have killed him, I would.
Speaker 1 (35:18):
But after some back and forth, Kira says, the district
attorney eventually dropped the indictment.
Speaker 3 (35:23):
Well, they told us that they felt like, since my
dad's doctor, that a jury wouldn't find for him because
they would assume that he was just rich. But I
think really that it was just the fact that Atlanta
is so liberal.
Speaker 1 (35:38):
By the end of twenty thirteen, Kia and her father
were rid of the straw man peddler, but at a
hefty price, their family was forced to start over. However,
there were some silver linings. First and foremost, Kira and
her father came back together.
Speaker 5 (35:54):
Oh my daughter, my Oh perfect in a way, probably
it's closer than we've ever been.
Speaker 1 (35:59):
That glimmer of hope that Kira focused on in her
lowest moment in a Tennessee motel room came true. She
was able to salvage her relationship with her father, and
that accomplishment gave her a sense of peace that she'd
never felt before.
Speaker 3 (36:13):
What I took from a whole entire thing, Well, first
of all, I've never been happier than I am now,
and probably in my wildest dreams before all of this happened,
I couldn't have imagined being as at peace and as
content and satisfied with my life and as sure of myself.
Speaker 1 (36:44):
Which brings us back to the question what happens when
your biggest fear is realized? What happens when you cross
the precipice and lose everything? If you choose not to
let it end you, you can gain a priceless gift,
one that we should all incorporate into our lives, and
that is you learn the gift of a life not
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based in fear.
Speaker 3 (37:07):
When you are faced with a situation where you've lost everything,
and it's not a situation where a fire came and
burned all your stuff out or an earthquake came, nobody
is rallying or setting up any sort of Go Fundme
pages for you. You know you are on your own
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when you can come back from that. The people that
do survive.
Speaker 4 (37:33):
It become superhuman.
Speaker 3 (37:37):
I think, because there's nothing that scares me now, because
I'm not afraid of losing anything anymore, and there isn't
a distance that I wouldn't go to protect my family.
Speaker 1 (37:54):
Cure learned this lesson in the wake of the two
thousand and eight financial crisis. It's not a new revelation,
but it's a powerful one, one that Americans used to
overcome one of its most challenging times.
Speaker 5 (38:07):
So, first of all, let me assert my firm belief
that's the only thing.
Speaker 3 (38:14):
We have to fear is fear itself.
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Speaker 1 (00:51):
This episode was originally broadcast on January twenty fourth, twenty twenty.
We changed some of the names that the people involved
in this story to protect their privacy. Enjoy. As we
grow through adulthood, if we're successful, we begin to accumulate
things a car, a house, a career, money, jewelry. Life
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is about growth, and we humans seem to have an
unending thirst for it. However, once we accumulate this wealth,
one emotion seems to inevitably guide almost every decision moving forward,
and that emotion is fear. Fear of losing. Fear of
losing what we've acquired, fear of losing what we've built.
Once we've reached a certain level of success in our life,
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fear of losing seems to be the dominant emotion. But
what if our worst fear comes to fruition. What happens
to us if we actually lose it all? I'm Patrick Carelcy.
Speaker 2 (01:52):
And I'm Adriana Cortez.
Speaker 1 (01:53):
And this is Red Pilled America, a storytelling show.
Speaker 2 (01:58):
This is not another talk show covering the day's news.
We are all about telling stories.
Speaker 1 (02:03):
Stories. Hollywood doesn't want you to hear stories.
Speaker 2 (02:06):
The media mocks stories about everyday Americans. If the globalist ignore.
Speaker 1 (02:12):
You could think of Red Pilled America as audio documentaries.
And we've promised only one thing, the truth. Welcome to
Red Pilled America. Most adults don't want to admit this,
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but as we grow and capture the trappings of success,
almost every decision we make is guided by fear, fear
of losing what we've built. But what happens to a
human being if that biggest fear is thrust upon us?
What happens if we lose it all? To find the answer,
we follow this story of a family that faced that
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very nightmare and lived to tell us about it.
Speaker 2 (03:12):
Kia was born in Atlanta, Georgia, and it was a
bit of a rough start.
Speaker 3 (03:16):
My biological mother was eighteen when she got pregnant.
Speaker 4 (03:23):
I mean, her pregnancy was a nightmare for her. She
was almost disowned. She was sent to Atlanta to have me.
Speaker 3 (03:36):
Apparently her father and her grandmother were very mean and
angry about the whole situation because they're very religious.
Speaker 2 (03:44):
So Kia was put up for adoption. However, she wasn't
placed with the family at birth.
Speaker 4 (03:49):
Normally people are adopted like immediately.
Speaker 3 (03:52):
There was something that went on with my birth that
I don't know about and I haven't been able to
find out about. And I was in a foster home
for the first three months in my life.
Speaker 5 (04:04):
She had jaundice at birth.
Speaker 2 (04:05):
That's Kia's father, let's call him Mark.
Speaker 5 (04:09):
And so they put her in like a what you
called it a foster's home or something too.
Speaker 4 (04:14):
You know.
Speaker 5 (04:14):
She got cleared with all that, so it was ten
weeks she was ten weeks old when we got her.
Speaker 2 (04:19):
It was during those early months in foster care that
Kia believed something happened to her.
Speaker 3 (04:24):
A lot of people think that that has to do
with my autism, because it was apparently two old ladies
owns this foster home and I didn't have a name.
I know that I wasn't held or cuddled or breastfed
or any of those things.
Speaker 2 (04:40):
There is some research that backs up this notion. Several
studies have claimed to show a correlation between an orphan's
lack of stimulation while in early foster care and their
development of autism like symptoms. But whether it was caused
during those early months, or it was genetic or some
other cause, Kia's autism would create challenges throughout her life.
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She would eventually be adopted by Mark and his wife,
and Kira instantly entered a family of means.
Speaker 3 (05:08):
I would have to say upper middle class because my
dad as an internist who specializes in cardiology. So I
mean back in the day, he was doing incredibly well,
and I grew up in a nice neighborhood.
Speaker 4 (05:20):
I went to private school.
Speaker 2 (05:21):
Again.
Speaker 5 (05:22):
Mark seems so wonderful child, and I was headstrong, you know,
very smart and very creative.
Speaker 3 (05:30):
I'm a daddy's girl big time, and nobody compares to
my dad.
Speaker 2 (05:35):
As she reached her teenage years, Kira's autism didn't seem
to affect her intelligence.
Speaker 3 (05:40):
When I was fifteen, I was accepted to college, and
so the second I turn sixteen, I dropped out of
high school and went to college in London.
Speaker 2 (05:48):
She attended the American College for the Applied Arts in
London and initially thought she wanted to do interior design,
but figured out quickly that she hated drafting, so she
gave business administration and management a try.
Speaker 3 (06:00):
I didn't finish that either, because somewhere along line, I
realized that I wanted to be a tour manager.
Speaker 4 (06:05):
That was like my dream job.
Speaker 2 (06:07):
So Kira came back to Atlanta and began working in
the music business.
Speaker 3 (06:11):
I had worked for just about every band you could
think up in Atlanta and around Georgia, and I had
sort of my own me too situation with a promoter
in Atlanta, and I knew that I wasn't ever going
to do what I wanted to do from there, so
I moved to California.
Speaker 2 (06:27):
Los Angeles to be exact. While there, her career started
to take off.
Speaker 3 (06:31):
I had some really good friends that were guitar techs,
and so I learned how to guitar tech. And then
when I moved out to California. That's what I started doing,
and by being one of the only female guitar techs
running around LA other bands came along, and I worked
for the Rolling Stones and Janet Jackson.
Speaker 2 (06:51):
And in the nineties she began touring with some music
superstars like Whitney Houston.
Speaker 3 (06:55):
And now I wish I could go on that Hologram
tour because she's not actually there.
Speaker 2 (07:17):
As Kira worked with bigger and bigger acts, the money
started coming in.
Speaker 3 (07:21):
Because I guess I'm autistic, but no one had a
the label for it at the time. Whenever I was working,
you know, for The Stones or Whitney Houston or Janet Jackson, whoever,
I would give all the money that I made to
my dad and then.
Speaker 4 (07:34):
So he made sure that I always had a place
to live.
Speaker 2 (07:37):
She bought a condo in Los Angeles, got married to
a guy she thought was her soulmate, but when the
marriage failed, she wanted to get out of Lola Land
to avoid running into him again.
Speaker 5 (07:46):
Kira's dad Mark, and then she knew I wanted her
closer to home, so she came back to Atlanta met
a guy here who used to go to Nashville, and
so she went up to Nashville with him and liked it.
Speaker 2 (07:56):
So around two thousand and three, Kira made the move
to Tennessee, and.
Speaker 5 (08:00):
So we bought the house for her In Nashville. You
opened up a little clothing business, and.
Speaker 3 (08:06):
I had a boutique in Nashville for a while and
had pretty fancy, you know, Vivian Westwood and Buckler and
really cool brands in my store.
Speaker 2 (08:18):
Along the way of her success, Kira had been accumulating things.
Speaker 3 (08:22):
So I'm living in this house and it's really posh
part of Nashville. And you know, I had a baby
grand piano.
Speaker 4 (08:29):
I had tons of antiques and art.
Speaker 3 (08:32):
Like no one my age really had the kind of
stuff that I had. There was a recording studio in
my garage that I had built for my ex boyfriend.
I always had driven BMW's, I had a seven Series
that I had gotten. I bought my boyfriend a jeep.
I mean, I had just a ton of money. I
mean I had been rich.
Speaker 4 (08:53):
Basically.
Speaker 2 (08:54):
Kiera liked nice things, but she always remembered where she
came from.
Speaker 3 (08:58):
You know, I never for one second forgot that I
was adopted and I lucky to be where I was.
I never took advantage of my situation, and I never
took anything for granted, but I would share with people.
Speaker 4 (09:13):
And so when I was in Tennessee.
Speaker 3 (09:14):
Especially, there were a lot of people around me that
were just very bad people that were around me because
I was kind one.
Speaker 2 (09:22):
Of those people, Kira says was her boyfriend, and.
Speaker 5 (09:25):
She was involved in a bad relationship up there, which
you may have told you about.
Speaker 2 (09:29):
Kira's relationship with her boyfriend began a rift between her
and her father.
Speaker 3 (09:33):
I had been in a relationship at that time for
like seven years with a narcissistic sociopathy who beat the
crap out.
Speaker 4 (09:41):
Of me on a regular basis.
Speaker 3 (09:42):
And I wasn't as close to my dad anymore, or
my family or anyone I knew, because that's what they do,
these people.
Speaker 5 (09:50):
And I never felt comfortable going to visit her because
of this person that was living there with her. I
didn't go up that much.
Speaker 2 (09:58):
And just as Kiera and her father's relationship became strained,
America was head towards the biggest global crisis of modern times.
Speaker 6 (10:09):
We're in the midst of a serious financial crisis.
Speaker 2 (10:12):
When it hit, it would rock their world in ways
they could never have imagined.
Speaker 1 (10:18):
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Speaker 2 (11:49):
Welcome back to red pilled America. So just as Kier
and her father's relationship became strained, America was going through
one of the greatest challenges in three generations.
Speaker 4 (12:04):
For Wall Street, it was another case of whiplash.
Speaker 2 (12:07):
The markets haven't been this fall at only in almost
eighty years.
Speaker 6 (12:10):
This is an extraordinary period for America's economy. Over the
past few weeks, many Americans have felt anxiety about their
finances and their future.
Speaker 3 (12:18):
I'm seeing my neighbor's houses going up for sale.
Speaker 4 (12:21):
We have now broken that record.
Speaker 3 (12:24):
At this point, anything lower than six hundred and eighty
four points is the biggest point drop that we've ever seen.
Speaker 6 (12:29):
We've seen triple digit swings in the stock market. Major
financial institutions have teetered on the edge of collapse, and
some have failed. We're in the midst of a serious
financial crisis, but.
Speaker 4 (12:40):
The question now, when will it end?
Speaker 2 (12:42):
The United States was gripped in a financial crisis that
some said could lead to a second Great Depression. As
Americans were living the global storm, many saw legitimate cracks
in our financial institutions, corruption, greed, and competence mistakes made
by elites that put everyone's personal wealth in jeopardy. A
major distrust in the government began to take hold of
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the country. The bankers and politicians that caused the problem
were largely getting off scot free, and some were even
getting bailed out and made whole by the Obama administration. Washington,
d C. And the mysterious Federal Reserve became a target
for angry Americans who didn't receive the Wall Street parachutes.
Speaker 3 (13:22):
There is no authority in the Constitution authorizing a central bank, which.
Speaker 4 (13:27):
Means there should be no Federal Reserve.
Speaker 3 (13:31):
Ses Now.
Speaker 2 (13:33):
People were experiencing job loss, paying on a mortgage that
was more than the value of their property, and burdened
with crushing credit card debt. Many Americans became desperate and
were looking for a way out.
Speaker 1 (13:49):
That's around the time that interest in a somewhat dormant
ideology began to grow an ideology known as the Sovereign
Citizen movement. It had been around for decades before and
had a growth spurred around the Ruby Ridge and Waco incidents.
Movement went largely dormant for a decade, but as the
two thousand and eight financial crisis reached an apex, interest
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in the Sovereign Citizen movement began to reignite, largely because
it appeared to provide an out for many Americans who
found themselves in a financial bind. The belief system of
this movement is complicated, and, like many conspiracy theories, mixes
actual events with pseudohistory and facts to manufacture a very
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plausible story. To explain their beliefs in the simplest of terms,
we'll just focus on one aspect of their ideology, the
straw man. A sovereign citizen believes that there are actually
two us, the physical flesh and blood you, and one
created on paper through the issuance of your birth certificate,
or which referred to as the straw man version of you.
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Before there was a federal government, people that were born
weren't issued a birth certificate. Rather, their names were simply
recorded in the family Bible. But as the federal government
was created, birth certificates were issued. Proponents of the sovereign
citizen ideology argue that your birth certificate is actually a
bond that created a treasury account with your name on
it in all capital letters, and the account has vast
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amounts of money in it that you can access to
discharge debts. The account is accessed through your Social Security number,
and they believe that account was loaded with value at
your birth. This may sound ridiculous at first, but advocates
of this ideology use very convincing historical events, acts of Congress, legalies,
and facts in your own personal life that weaves a
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plausible story. They do this by basing the ideology in
an alternative version of American history, an alternative history that,
once understood, reveals secret laws that can be used to
one's advantage, so they think. Proponents of the movement believe
that if someone understands these alternative laws and invokes them,
that person becomes exempt from many US laws, including the
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requirement to pay taxes, and are empowered with the ability
to seize private property and force legal actions against others
and extract money from the US government. This ideology became
so prevalent in the wake of the two thousand and
eight financial crisis that the FBI began issuing alerts on
the Sovereign citizen movement, going as far as labeling some
of its most extreme proponents as domestic terrorists. By twenty ten,
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a perfect storm had hit Kira's family. The presence of
her boyfriend strained her relationship with her father Mark, and
on a parallel track, Mark began to have some serious
financial problems with Kira's Nashville properties.
Speaker 5 (16:40):
And when the downturn in the market and all that,
I got upside down in some properties in Nashville when
I was a house she was living in and I
just couldn't afford the mortgage and some other things. And
that's when he came into that I can help you
with that, he being.
Speaker 1 (16:55):
The sovereign citizen that will call Steve.
Speaker 5 (16:58):
I got introduced to this person that introduced me to
this sovereign citizen thing through a friend who was having
a mortgage problem, and this person quote helped him with
his mortgage. He could discharge debts through this mechanism that
people didn't know about. And what sucked me in. I
had a tax bill from the state that I hadn't paid.
He says, I'll take care of it for you, and
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he did, and the bill got discharged, and I assumed
it was through his method, and that's what got me interested.
Speaker 1 (17:27):
Now, the state tax bill wasn't much, it was around
two thousand dollars, but Steve getting it discharged impressed Mark.
Maybe there was something to this sovereign citizen thing, he thought.
Steve explained the concept to him.
Speaker 5 (17:39):
You know the real man who's a sovereign man. And
if your name is in all caps, that's the straw man,
that's the government creation of you. That's not the real you.
The real view is in lower case or up in
lower case, and if you look at contracts, they're always
in all upper case.
Speaker 1 (17:54):
He explained the origin of this well kept secret.
Speaker 5 (17:56):
They passed the United States Corporation, who considered aliens of
the District of Columbia. Treat us this enemy combat us
where the scarman and the sovereign man comes into play.
And we're supposed to be sovereign since we don't live
in Washington, DC, and we have certain rights and those
have been taken away by the Corporation. If you act
as a sovereign citizen, you have all these rights that
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have not been taken away, and you can discharge debts
through this mechanism.
Speaker 1 (18:23):
Because this secret mechanism was complicated and as a result,
could only be invoked by someone that understood the ins
and outs of how it worked. Mark was told either way,
he just experienced the benefits of this mechanism through the
discharge of his state tax debt.
Speaker 5 (18:38):
The thing that got me involved is when he discharged
this debt. Because I was managing two pieces of property
in Naturville. That's when when this sovereign citiz is going
to help me out. See, I was sort of way
underwater and he came along, and I thought, well, maybe
this is my salvation.
Speaker 1 (19:03):
Besides his state taxes, Steve said he could help Mark
discharge other debts using the same mechanism. So he asked
Mark if he could live in his guest house previously
occupied by his daughter Kira, and live there rent free
in exchange for working to discharge the debts. Mark, now
in a bind triggered by the financial crisis, agreed. Steve
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moved in and went to work, but he.
Speaker 5 (19:25):
Would take credit card bills and he would quote discharge
them and I would not get into credit card bills
from them, so I thought this had been discharged.
Speaker 1 (19:32):
Because this mechanism was so complicated, soaked in legalese derived
from alleged arcane historical events, the two went to seminars
to learn more. But what Mark didn't know at the
time was that Steve was getting him further and further
into financial trouble. You see, there was no way to
discharge this debt. There was no secret account that could
be accessed by your Social Security card. And even if
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part of the ideology was based on some legitimate legal argument,
and some of it is, none of it could actually
be put into action to legal discharged debt. Eventually, the banks,
the irs, or all of the above would come knocking.
When Kira met Steve and learned about what he was
doing for her father, she quickly smelled a rat and
let her dad know. Again.
Speaker 3 (20:19):
Kira, my dad had made friends with this guy who's
a sovereign citizen, but he was the best con man.
Speaker 4 (20:27):
So my dad ends up trusting him with a lot
of stuff.
Speaker 3 (20:29):
But he hated me because from the second I met him,
I knew he was a problem, and I did a
background check and I found out that he had had
a lot of trouble with the law, and I kept
trying to tell my dad about it, but I wasn't
there in my dad's face every day. I was living
in Tennessee and my dad was in Atlanta. And this
guy he's just running around, you know, acting like my
dad's best friend, and he's saving him all this money,
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and he's you know, my dad is the kind of
guy who he's still looking for Bigfoot. You know, he
knows he's out there. My dad believes a lot of
conspiracy theories, and he and I have kind of sometimes
arguments about Q because my dad's a little bit gullible
with that stuff.
Speaker 1 (21:10):
Steve must have sinceed Kira was on doing.
Speaker 3 (21:12):
The first thing I guess he figured that he needed
to do was get me out of the way because
I was going to call his bluff at some point
or another, and my dad was going to get wise
to him.
Speaker 1 (21:20):
With Kira and her father's relationship now strained because of
her boyfriend, Steve saw an opening.
Speaker 3 (21:26):
He had tried to tell my dad that I was
on crack, which I wasn't. He tried to tell my
dad that I didn't have anything left in my house
because of the crack, which was totally untrue. I've never
done crack in my life, and my dad believed it.
Speaker 5 (21:40):
But we always thought he was a good guy, and
he thought of became part of the family. Really like
a Bernie Madoff personality. You know, Bernie Madoff could sell
your stock, just charm you and get you to invest
in him. And of course now he's in jail. But
this guy's very charming and very good with words, and
he could convince you about all this stuff, and he
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would show you the proof. He'd show you some of
these articles. Well, he explained how it worked. Sounded very plausible.
Speaker 1 (22:06):
So Steve started making moves on Kira's house. Mark was
upside down on the mortgage and could no longer afford
to make the payment. So Steve convinced Mark that he
was going to use his sovereign citizen mechanism, the same
one used to discharge his state tax and credit card debt,
to eliminate Kira's house mortgage with the bank but still
retain the property.
Speaker 5 (22:25):
He wanted to go to court for mease, he had
to have some ownership in the properties to do that,
and so I gave him ownership and the property to
go to court on my behalf, and so he theoretically
owned the property.
Speaker 1 (22:36):
To many, this may sound like a really dumb move,
and of course it was, but Mark is not a
dumb man. At the time, he'd been successfully practicing medicine
for roughly four decades and had accumulated enough wealth to
be living in a multimillion dollar estate in Atlanta. He
was now in a financial bind, and his friend had
already discharged several of his debts. The proof was in
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the results, because the state tax debts showed up resolved
and the credit card statements stopped coming. Steve must have
been doing something right or underhanded, so Mark gave him
what he needed. Steve, in turn, began to execute his
legal mechanisms to attempt to eliminate the mortgages on both
the retail property and Kira's home in Nashville. For what
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happened next surprised everyone. Mark received a foreclosure notice on
Kira's house.
Speaker 5 (23:24):
And so when the foreclosed, I knew they're probably going
to evict her. He said, don't worry about it. It
takes a long time for them to do that.
Speaker 1 (23:32):
But it didn't take long at all. On July seventh,
twenty eleven, Kira woke up to a knock at her door.
Speaker 3 (23:39):
I opened my door at six in the morning, and
there was three sheriffs pointing guns at me, pointing guns
at me, and they said.
Speaker 4 (23:48):
Can you step outside please?
Speaker 3 (23:49):
And I step outside and got my phone in my
hand and I'm in my pajamas and they explained to
me that I was being evicted.
Speaker 4 (23:56):
I couldn't go back in my house and I was
going to need to leave the property. And I'm like what,
And I'm begging.
Speaker 3 (24:02):
Them to go get my jewelry box, be able to
go get my purse, go get my computer.
Speaker 4 (24:08):
Can they just please come back tomorrow they can have
the house.
Speaker 3 (24:11):
I don't care, just please, you know, like literally, I
had no idea that this was going to.
Speaker 4 (24:17):
Happen, and they were like no, And there was.
Speaker 3 (24:20):
All these people out in the yard from a company
that is supposed.
Speaker 4 (24:25):
To evict people.
Speaker 1 (24:27):
Kira never got a notice of eviction. She suspects that
the notice went to the sovereign citizen Steve instead of her.
Speaker 3 (24:34):
I had no idea they were going to show up,
and I had guns in my house.
Speaker 4 (24:38):
So the first thing that they did was go crazy
looking for these guns.
Speaker 3 (24:42):
And they gave me my flip flops and my purse
and my car keys, and I'm like, flip flops are
so handy when you have socks on.
Speaker 4 (24:49):
I was crying my eyes.
Speaker 3 (24:50):
Out and these people walked into my house and it
took them three days to take everything out of my
house and put it in the yard. Immediately they were
putting Gucci, Prada, Louis Vuitton, everything in the yard.
Speaker 1 (25:09):
But the next step took the ordeal to an entirely
new level.
Speaker 3 (25:13):
They made me leave the property because I couldn't stand
in the street because of that would be blocking traffic,
and I couldn't stand in the yard because I'm trespassing.
Speaker 1 (25:22):
So Kira was forced to leave. The next day, in
the wee hours of the morning, a neighbor saw someone
drive up to the house towing a trailer, then loading
up some of the items from the front lawn. Again Mark, and.
Speaker 5 (25:33):
She got evicted. But he was not helping me do
anything to keep the property. And so I think he
was doing that on presis because my daughter had a
lot of nice things and they got all thrown out
and he was there trying to help, but I think
he ended up with a lot of stuff I lost everything.
Speaker 3 (25:48):
So the house was a half a million dollar house,
and I had probably close to a million dollars worth
of clothes and art and antiques and jewelry. I had
three hundred thousand dollars and jewelry gone.
Speaker 1 (26:04):
About a year earlier, Kira slowed down on her spending.
Speaker 3 (26:07):
I guess maybe in the last year before I was evicted.
You know, I couldn't spend like that because there just
wasn't that much money.
Speaker 1 (26:15):
She was cash poor but possession rich.
Speaker 3 (26:18):
So I had made this plan that I was going
to buy an RV and live in it. I know
that sounds ridiculous, but I just needed to. I needed
to get out of that relationship, get out of Nashville.
And everything I had was assets. It wasn't cash, And
so I had enough stuff to where I could sell
some jewelry and buy a nice.
Speaker 4 (26:39):
Prevot, you know, to live in if I wanted.
Speaker 3 (26:41):
And these things were about to happen when I was evicted.
Speaker 1 (26:45):
But after the eviction, being forced off the property, then
some of her most prized possessions disappearing into thin air.
Kira was left with nothing, and to top it off,
Steve was still living in her father's guesthouse. She had
nowhere to go. Kira was homeless in Nashville, so she
turned to a local motel.
Speaker 3 (27:04):
And I'm living in a motel for a year and
a half, and I was consumed with all this anger.
Speaker 1 (27:09):
Filled with anger because she strongly suspected the man that
blindsided her with an eviction and left her with nothing
was still living in her father's guesthouse.
Speaker 3 (27:18):
And he loaded a bunch of my furniture answered the trailer,
and my dad wouldn't believe me that he had done that.
So for the first year and a half, I'm living
in a motel, not even knowing if I'm going to
be able to stay there.
Speaker 4 (27:31):
I lost everything.
Speaker 2 (27:43):
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Speaker 1 (27:56):
Welcome back to Red Pilled America. So, after some shady
moves by her father's friend Steve, Kira had suddenly been evicted.
All of her valuables were placed on the lawn and
one by one they were trucked away, some by Steve himself.
Kira did some soul searching throughout that time. In the
depths of her despair, having lost everything, her home, her jewelry,
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her things, she found something to hold on to. She
had faith that she could break the spell held over
her father.
Speaker 3 (28:26):
And because I've just always thought my dad hung the moon,
and the only times that I've ever thought that I
could end my life were times that I thought my
dad wasn't going to be in it. So for me
just wasn't a choice to give up on that. There
wasn't any way that I was going to be able
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to go.
Speaker 4 (28:48):
Forward and live without my dad.
Speaker 5 (28:51):
And my life.
Speaker 3 (28:52):
And I have this insane hope always. I guess I
was blessed with it. I'm always hopeful, and I just
knew I believed that if I should owed him the truth,
that everything would be okay.
Speaker 1 (29:06):
So she set her sights on getting back to Atlanta
to do that. Kira reconnected with two acquaintances in the area.
One offered her a job, the other a place to stay.
Speaker 3 (29:15):
And these were people that I had barely spoken to
like in my life prior I knew them, you know,
they were acquaintances, but they reached out and so I
came back to Atlanta.
Speaker 1 (29:27):
But on her return, Kira was in the midst of
another crisis situation, and at.
Speaker 3 (29:31):
That point, every time I stood up, I would black out.
So the day after I got back to Atlanta, I
went and checked into the hospital and I called my
dad and said, I've got to go to the hospital.
Speaker 1 (29:43):
Steve was still living with Mark at the time, and
he still had him under his spell.
Speaker 4 (29:47):
And my dad didn't believe me that I was sick.
Speaker 3 (29:49):
So I get so I go to his hospital and
my hemoglobin is a four, and most people with a
four hemoglobin are dead.
Speaker 4 (29:57):
I don't know how I had how I wasn't.
Speaker 3 (30:00):
Dead, but I was huge from a like my legs
looked like I had elephant titus. And I was suffering
from high output congested part failure.
Speaker 4 (30:12):
And it was probably about ten hours away from being
dead at that point.
Speaker 3 (30:17):
And it was a very big rush and craziness to
get me a whole lot of blood and to.
Speaker 4 (30:21):
Get me stable.
Speaker 3 (30:24):
And my dad, you know, was there at the hospital,
and he felt really bad because he didn't really believe
me when I told him I was sick.
Speaker 1 (30:30):
It was through this time that Kurra and her father's
relationship began to thaw, and.
Speaker 4 (30:35):
It was still a fight, you know. After I got
out of the hospital, my mom didn't really want me
back at the house. So I was living in this
store that I was managing.
Speaker 3 (30:45):
I was living upstairs and also for a while in
a warehouse.
Speaker 1 (30:51):
As their relationship warmed, Kira continued to try to convince
her father that Steve was a con man.
Speaker 3 (30:57):
And one day I couldn't take it anymore and I
called the Atlanta Police Apartment Fraud Division. But I left
a message and I was crying, and I'm like, this
man has taken you know, He's lied to my father,
and nobody will believe me.
Speaker 4 (31:12):
I've lost everything I owned. I've nearly died.
Speaker 3 (31:16):
You know, and nobody, nobody.
Speaker 4 (31:19):
Will believe me.
Speaker 3 (31:20):
And he heard the message and struck chord with him and.
Speaker 4 (31:25):
He called me back that day and then he told me.
Speaker 3 (31:29):
To bring my father down to the police station, and
I did, and he showed my dad the biggest raft
sheet ever.
Speaker 5 (31:41):
My daughter was smart enough to go to the fraud
unit of Filton County, City of Atlanta, and I met
a Sergeant Cooper who she was talking to. They had
a three inch thick file on this guy, and they've
been you know, cracking him.
Speaker 4 (31:56):
And this guy was just a scammer.
Speaker 3 (31:59):
He would open an empty bank account and then go
buy cars with electronic checks on the empty bank account,
but be gone by the time they figured out there
was no money. And it turned out that the person
who had introduced my dad he ended up having his
house foreclosed punt. He lost everything, and he now is
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you know, he's in his sixties or maybe early seventies,
and he lives with his mom.
Speaker 5 (32:27):
Met Sergeant Cooper with her. We went down to this
you know, police and met him and sat with him
for about an hour. He showed me all the stuff
on him, and I began to see what he was doing, and.
Speaker 3 (32:38):
My dad kind of didn't believe it, you know, like
he was having hard time, specially admitting to himself that
he had been so fooled.
Speaker 5 (32:47):
Well, now I got exposed to what Sergeant Cooper showed me.
And then I had an old Mercedes I wanted to sell.
He was going to help me sell it, and so
he showed up one afternoon with a Valvo wagon. He
said he traded my Mercedes for this Valgo wagons, which
was a piece of garbage, but it gave him a
car to drive, and so that pissed me off. No,
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I mean it was a done deal. I couldn't do
anything about it. Then his daughter came and she wanted
to stay with him up in the guesthouse. Find out
I wanted to get rid of him.
Speaker 4 (33:16):
When my dad told him he had to leave, he said,
I'm not leaving. You're going to have to evict me.
Speaker 3 (33:21):
So we had to go through that whole huge process
where you send somebody letters and all that to get
him off my dad's property.
Speaker 5 (33:28):
And I couldn't. He wouldn't leave, and he said he
a three had a five year lease from me that
I had signed, which is a lie.
Speaker 1 (33:36):
So Kira wrote an eviction notice for her father and
he sent it to Steve, and that's when Steve invoked
another sovereign sy's in tactic.
Speaker 5 (33:44):
You can confreight your name and put it in the
public domain that your name is copyrighted, and then you
drop a thing that anybody who uses your name without
your prombission you find on a million dollars.
Speaker 1 (33:55):
So by sending Steve an eviction notice and using his
name in the letter, Steve claimed that Mark was violating
his copyright.
Speaker 5 (34:03):
You've got your name copyrighted. I write you a letter
and put your name on the envelope. I've used your
name without your commission, so you send me a bill.
And so he pulled that on me. So I owe
him theoretically, I think five million dollars for using his name.
Speaker 1 (34:19):
Sovereigns like to clog the courts with frivolous lawsuits to
harass their targets. Steve wasn't finished there. He took Mark
to court, claiming Mark violated his lease by attempting to
evict him.
Speaker 5 (34:35):
So we went to court and he produced this lease
which was a you know, a ball of plate lease
off the internet, and he put in there he could
have his daughter stay with him, and it was a
five year lease, and signed my name, forged my name
on it. And so the court saw through that. And
then he tried to steal a car that I had bought,
and they ended up putting him in jail. I think
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for that.
Speaker 1 (34:56):
Local law enforcement eventually indicted Steve.
Speaker 3 (35:00):
For all kinds of financial fraud crimes as well as
taking advantage of elderly person. And then at one of
the hearings, I was there and he winked at me.
He was in the courtroom. He winked at me, and
I swear if I could have killed him, I would.
Speaker 1 (35:18):
But after some back and forth, Kira says, the district
attorney eventually dropped the indictment.
Speaker 3 (35:23):
Well, they told us that they felt like, since my
dad's doctor, that a jury wouldn't find for him because
they would assume that he was just rich. But I
think really that it was just the fact that Atlanta
is so liberal.
Speaker 1 (35:38):
By the end of twenty thirteen, Kia and her father
were rid of the straw man peddler, but at a
hefty price, their family was forced to start over. However,
there were some silver linings. First and foremost, Kira and
her father came back together.
Speaker 5 (35:54):
Oh my daughter, my Oh perfect in a way, probably
it's closer than we've ever been.
Speaker 1 (35:59):
That glimmer of hope that Kira focused on in her
lowest moment in a Tennessee motel room came true. She
was able to salvage her relationship with her father, and
that accomplishment gave her a sense of peace that she'd
never felt before.
Speaker 3 (36:13):
What I took from a whole entire thing, Well, first
of all, I've never been happier than I am now,
and probably in my wildest dreams before all of this happened,
I couldn't have imagined being as at peace and as
content and satisfied with my life and as sure of myself.
Speaker 1 (36:44):
Which brings us back to the question what happens when
your biggest fear is realized? What happens when you cross
the precipice and lose everything? If you choose not to
let it end you, you can gain a priceless gift,
one that we should all incorporate into our lives, and
that is you learn the gift of a life not
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based in fear.
Speaker 3 (37:07):
When you are faced with a situation where you've lost everything,
and it's not a situation where a fire came and
burned all your stuff out or an earthquake came, nobody
is rallying or setting up any sort of Go Fundme
pages for you. You know you are on your own
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when you can come back from that. The people that
do survive.
Speaker 4 (37:33):
It become superhuman.
Speaker 3 (37:37):
I think, because there's nothing that scares me now, because
I'm not afraid of losing anything anymore, and there isn't
a distance that I wouldn't go to protect my family.
Speaker 1 (37:54):
Cure learned this lesson in the wake of the two
thousand and eight financial crisis. It's not a new revelation,
but it's a powerful one, one that Americans used to
overcome one of its most challenging times.
Speaker 5 (38:07):
So, first of all, let me assert my firm belief
that's the only thing.
Speaker 3 (38:14):
We have to fear is fear itself.
Speaker 2 (38:21):
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