June 8, 2024 • 37 mins
What are the untold stories behind the notorious Donald Sterling scandal? This week on Pop Culture Weekly, Kyle McMahon sits down with executive producer Gina Welch, director Kevin Bray, and writer Rembert Brown to explore FX's gripping new limited series "Clipped." Discover how this intense narrative intertwines ambition, racism, and family history, and hear from cast members Cleopatra Coleman, Jacki Weaver, and Ed O'Neill about their transformative experiences playing real-life characters. Kevin shares his personal connection to the civil rights movement, while Gina and Rembert delve into the complexities of creating a story that resonates on multiple levels.
Switching gears, Kyle chats with Margaret Cho and Jesse Tyler Ferguson about their heartwarming film "All That We Love." Engage with us as Margaret shares her poignant journey through grief following the loss of her beloved pet, and Jesse reflects on how such losses shape our relationships. This moving discussion sheds light on society's often overlooked view of pet loss and highlights the unconditional love that animals bring into our lives. Don't miss this episode filled with emotional storytelling and thought-provoking insights on love, loss, and resilience.
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Switching gears, Kyle chats with Margaret Cho and Jesse Tyler Ferguson about their heartwarming film "All That We Love." Engage with us as Margaret shares her poignant journey through grief following the loss of her beloved pet, and Jesse reflects on how such losses shape our relationships. This moving discussion sheds light on society's often overlooked view of pet loss and highlights the unconditional love that animals bring into our lives. Don't miss this episode filled with emotional storytelling and thought-provoking insights on love, loss, and resilience.
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In this episode of pop Culture Weekly, It's all about the brand new limited
series on FX Clipped with ed Onnail, Jackie Weaver, Clea, Patrick Coleman,
and the brand new film All ThatWe Love featuring Margaret Show and Jesse
Tyler. Ferguson. Can't wait totalk to all of them. Let's go.
Welcome to pop Culture Weekly with KyleMcMahon from my Heart Radio, your
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pop culture news, views, reviewsand celebrity interviews on Fall, the movies,
TV, music, and pomp Cultureu Crabe Weekly. Here's Kyle McMahon,
Na Nat, Hello, Welcome topop Culture Weekly with Kyle McMahon.
I of course am Kyle McMahon,and I am so glad that you are
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here to hang out with me foranother episode of pop Culture Weekly. I
do not have this show without you. You make this show happen every single
week. You make it grow everysingle week, and I love you for
it. I love talking to youon social media and email and all the
other places you reach out to meand talking you know, pop culture and
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movies and music and TV and streamingand technology and everything else. You are
awesome. Thank you. So today'sepisode, I'm really excited because there's two
sets of interviews that we're doing.One is on the brand new limited series
on Effects called Clipped, and Italked with the cast and crew, including
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Ed O'Neill, who doesn't love AlBundy, and of course Modern Family and
everything else, Jackie Weaver, CleopatraColeman. I talk with the behind the
scenes creatives Gina Welch, Rembert Brownand Kevin Bray all about the series and
why now is the time to tellthe story of Donald Sterling and the Clippers.
Then in the second half, there'sa brand new film debuting at Tribeca
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that is incredible. It's called AllThat We Love and it stars Margaret Show
and Modern Families Jesse Tyler Ferguson.It is funny, is profound. It
deals with loss and love and relationshipsand the ripples that happen when we lose
someone or something that we love,in this case a dog. So lots
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of great, great stuff this episode. Let's get right into it. We'll
start with Clipped on FX. SoClipped takes you behind the scenes of the
notorious Donald Sterling, who was anNBA owner that owned the Clippers, and
the racist remarks that were captured ontape and ended up being heard around the
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world. It's based on the hitpodcast ESPN thirty for thirty The Sterling Affairs.
So this series charts the collision betweenthe dysfunctional basketball organization and an even
less functional marriage and the tape's impacton a whole host of characters striving to
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win again against the backdrop of themost cursed team in the league. So
Doc Rivers, who is a famouscoach of the Clippers, is played by
Lawrence Fishburn, and he's very hopefulto win the franchise's first championship. Of
course, the team's owner, DonaldSterling, who was played by Ed O'Neil,
is a well known problem because he'scheap, a bully, and he's
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erratic. Then there is the Stivianoplayed by Cleopatri Coleman, who's amazing,
and his wife and business partner ofsixty years, Shelley, who's played by
Jackie Weaver, love her. Soit is really you know, the original
podcast ESPN thirty for thirty Sterling Affairsis amazing. It's based on that.
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The acting in this is awesome.You know, we all know how it
ends, but I didn't know alot of the intricacies of the story,
so we're going to jump right intoit. First up, we're talking to
executive producer and creator and show runnerGina Welch, along with director Kevin Bray
and writer Rembert Brown. So let'sjump right into that conversation. Here they
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are, Gina Welch, remember Brown, and Kevin Bray. So, first
of all, I love clip.It is really great. You know,
it's it's it's all of the things, and I can't wait for everybody to
see it. I have to know, you know, obviously this was a
big story when it happened. Whatdrew all of you to telling this tale
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for the screen? Kevin, Idon't know if you wanted to start,
Okay, sure, the the storywas intriguing to me. The story was
very important to me as a transplantfrom New York to Los Angeles. These
things kind of enraged me, asthey should. But when I really started
circling it in present in present timeand it was presented to me the writing,
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what Gina wrote and her approach toit was fantastic and I couldn't say
no. And then ultimately finding connectivetissue in my own personal life, the
character of Doc reminded me of menand my family, you know, my
father being involved in civil rights movementin the sixties, and then my grandfather
being involved in being from born inChicago, moving to Detroit and working with
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Ralph Bunch and a lot of civilrights activists from the NAACP. So there
was something about Doc's circumstances reminded meof a lot of the men in my
family and friends and friends of myfather, black men of the twentieth century
who were trying to move up andwho were always bristling against this kind of
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embedded, imbedded bigotry and racism inthe country. Yeah, for me,
I mean, I love a crazyla story about ambitious people who are ultimately
doomed. And then it was also, I thought, a really great way
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of looking at, you know,the cost of living and working and trying
to be generous to one another underthe ownership of you know, a toxic
racist and competent buffoon. I gotan email from Gina and it was like
one of the best emails I've evergotten. But yeah, I'm you know,
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I covered I wrote about Sterling intwenty fourteen as a journalist, and
so it was you know, notjust live through it, but had dedicated
a lot of mental space about whatthis whole thing meant for the country,
for individuals, for the players,for fans, you know, all of
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that. So, you know,this is my first TV show worked on,
you know, from beginning to end, and so like, I can't
think of a better subject matter andgroup of people to be able to do
this with because there was a levelof like, you know, really wanting
to get this right in terms oflike taking people back to twenty fourteen.
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And it was a very online timeof my life, and so I felt
very I felt very capable to youknow, raise my hand and make sure
that like the things that we weredoing fell you know right for the time,
both the basketball ness of it andthe kind of internet super onlineness of
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it all. Yeah, I loveyou know, your take on that.
And for me, you know same, I was very online time of my
life. I was not you know, I've never been a big sports fan.
I've been a big movie buff andI played soccer and stuff. But
when that story broke, I wasglued you know online because I'm like,
what how you know, and andit kind of shocked me into you know,
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paying attention and how could this?You know, how is this happening?
And and I was I was glued, and so you know, I
think unfortunately sometimes things like this,Uh, it takes something like this for
people in certain circles to pay attention, you know, and and see wow,
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like you know, even in whatyou would I would consider, you
know, this upper echelon of societywith you know, NBA players and owners
and all that, there's this systemicalmost problems that still have not gone away.
Do you as you're working on theproject? This is for all of
you as well. I hate tosay it as bluntly as Donald is a
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villain, but are you able tohumanize somebody like that as you're working on
a project like this? I mean, I think in the writing and and
and in the performance, you're youalways have to render the point of view
of any character with sort of respectfor the character's humanity. And so I
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think when we were writing Donald,you know, we had a lot of
documents to or build his point ofview on, obviously, but then you
have to write him as somebody whohe believes he's doing good in the world,
you know, And he's not anyonewho's who's used to being told no.
And so you know, and Ithink to the extent that we're attaching
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ourselves to his humanity, it's throughhis insecurity. I think he's very insecure
man, and and and certainly Ithink Ed plays him with abundant humanity.
Yeah, absolutely, yeah, yeah, I think you find I think about
even in the scene where he comesinto for the Barbara Walters interview. Uh,
there's a there's a there's sympathy builtin in the worst behavior. You
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could look at it from a perspectivewhere where you have some sympathy for him.
Yes, thank you all. Ireally appreciate it. I can't wait
for everybody to see Clipped on FX. Thank you so much. Thank you.
You know well, Itch Remember Brownand Kevin Bray love to hear the
behind the scenes stories of why youknow, art exists, and in this
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case, it's very interesting to hearhow Clipped came to be. So all
right, Next up, we've gotthe three Stars. Cleopatra Coleman is amazing
as the She of course, isDevorah blood Axe in Rebel Moon Part one,
A Child of Fire and Rebel MoonPart two, the Scargiver, and
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she's incredible as the Jackie Weaver.I love Jackie Weaver. She is a
iconic actress that has been working sincethe sixties on the screen, the silver
screen and the stage. Of course, she's been in silver Lining's Playbook,
Father Stu, Picnic It, HangingRock and more. But my favorite roles
of hers are the horror movies likeHaunt, Bird Box, and The Grudge.
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So excited to talk with her andEd O'Neil, who has numerous iconic
roles. Of course, Al Bundymarried with children Jay Pritchett in Modern Family,
where he won four Screen Actors GuildAwards and was nominated for three Primetime
Emmy Awards. So let's jump rightin to my interview with the Clipped cast.
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Here's Cleopatra Coleman, Jackie Weaver,and Ed O'Neil. All right,
kle So Clipped is, first ofall, absolutely amazing. I can't wait
for everybody to see it. Ihave to ask all three of you,
is it do you find it asactors? Is it difficult when you're playing
characters that are real, you know, characters that exist. Do you find
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as actors that that is different?Are you able to separate that? How
does that work for each of you? Well, you have to say to
yourself, first of all, thisis not a documentary. This is a
piece of fiction based on real facts, and therefore you could make it make
your So I did try to looklike it and sound like I did quite
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a bit of research and I playedher voice every day before I went on
set, because you know, I'mAustralian. I don't sound reutely like Shelley.
But but I don't think you haveto do that. But we we
did do that. Yeah, youhave to keep saying someone's made this story
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up and it's just based on realfacts. If you want the absolute real
facts, watch documentary. That's myfeeling. I love that. How about
for you, Ed, Yeah,I think that's very close to my feelings
as well. I mean I thinkthat, you know, you want to
get an approximation of the guy,but I never met him. I don't
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know much of about him. Icould find out a few things. But
you're basically working in the script.You go scene to scene every day you
come in, You've got a pieceof work you have to do, and
with the help of the director andyour other actors, you figure out that
scene. And then of course thewriting is constructed so at the end of
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the shoot, it all comes togetherand makes the story. So it's piecemeal,
and I would agree, yeah,Like I think, like Jackie and
Ed said, you kind of haveto make a decision about how you're going
to view this. I think atfirst it's like, Okay, this is
a real person, what research canI do? But then it's the same
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as any acting job. It's thesame job. It's the same process,
which is like getting to know thisperson, what are their motivations and how
am I going to play it inthis scene and that scene in this scene.
So for me, I tried notto look at the as much through
the lens of the scandal. Iobviously study the Barbara Walters interview and stuff
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like that, but I tried tojust look at her as a character on
the page and the going the oppositeway. Now, Cleopatra, do you
feel, you know, as you'redoing any character, but especially the do
you feel are you able to connectwith them kind of you know, in
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your role you're kind of a whistleblowerin some ways, do you feel that
connection with you know, knowing asyou've described now that you're able to separate
it into this character that you're playing. Do you still feel that connection with
the character that you are now playingon from the page rather than from the
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headlines you know what I'm saying.I do, Yeah, that I do
know what you're saying, and thatthat was the choice that I had to
make, was to sort of notnot look at it through that lens as
much as it it's a big partof the story, but that's done for
me in the writing. My jobwas to really like find as many honest
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moments I could in playing this characterand explore her motivations, explore you know,
really what she wanted, and findher humanity. And my way to
do that is always through compassion.Whether I'm playing someone likable or not,
it's not really the point, butit's to sort of find something that you
can understand, even if they're verydifferent from you. As an actor,
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that's our job, you know edfor you. You know, you've played
so many iconic characters and then youhave you know, you have Donald who
in many ways is not as lovableas some of your other characters. Is
that enjoyable for you to to tokind of have that variety, you know?
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Is it? Is? It?Okay? It can be you know
what I mean. The thing ofit is that I don't take into like
I rehearse roles when I'm at home. I just learned the lines uninflected.
And then because I really kind ofthink that we're not AI. You know,
there's no emotion until it happens,and we can't control emotion. Really,
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we can fake it, but wecan't control it. So I always
like to you know, there's asubconscious always at work. So when you're
doing a scene with another act,there's sometimes that subconscious kicks in you don't
even know from where. And that'sthe fun of it for me. Oh
yeah, so that that's what Icall the magic of it. You just
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allow that to happens once sometimes verysurprising results will occur, and I like
that sometimes nothing but well it's nota robot thing, you know. Yeah,
I love that. And Jackie foryou, you know, first of
all, I love I love allof your work, but especially your harror
work. I'm huge horror fans,but you you know, you've done so
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many interesting characters, and you know, with Shelley, she is interesting in
her own way and very much conflicted. I feel in this you know series,
Do you feel that as an actor. You know, as you're doing
that, are you putting yourself intoShelley's space and kind of do you feel
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that conflict as well? You know, I'm interested in that. We're all
we're all many layered. You know, nobody's totally evil and nobody's totally perfect.
And I think it's in the writing. You know. The writing was
so good because a lot of it'sthis series has imagined, because nobody knows
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what went on behind closed doors.So Gina Welsh has done such a great
job filling in the blanks with thesecharacters so that they've got many layers,
including Shelley. You know, sheseems demure and lady like it sometimes and
then she does a block. DidI say that in America? Do you
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block? And yeah? There weremany aspects to the characters that were fun
to play. I love that.Thank you all for for you know,
giving insight into these complex characters thatrepresent all of us as complex people.
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I can't wait for everybody to seeclips exclusively on effect. Thank you,
Thank you, thank you, havea great day. Thanks Cleo, Patrick
Coleman, Jackie, we Were andEd O'Neil love them and I love clip.
It is so so good it is. You know, you know,
I'm not a huge sports fan,but it kept but it kept my attention
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the entire time because I'm like,oh my god, like what's going to
happen? And I kind of rememberthis happening, you know, playing out
in the show sports world, wellnot just the sports world, but kind
of everywhere when it broke out,So it was cool to you know,
see a imagining of the story forthis limited series. Clipped is available exclusively
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on FX and of course FX onHulu, so make sure you check it
out. Love Love, Love Clipped. All right, We're gonna take a
short break sixty seconds to pay thebills, hang with us, and I
will see you in sixty all right, Welcome back to Pop Culture Weekly with
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Kyle McMahon. Thank you for stickingaround and hanging out with me. For
our amazing advertisers, who just likeyou, helped to keep the show going.
So I appreciate that they appreciate that. Check out their stuff, all
right. Next up, All ThatWe Love is this pretty incredible film that
debuted at the Tryback a Film Festival, and it follows Emma played by Margaret
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ch who faces an empty nest uponthe loss of her beloved dog, and
she begins some feelings for her strangeex husband who's coming back to America,
and basically is just navigating the joyand sorrow of starting anew in whatever small
or large way that means, andthen of course the ripples that go from
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that. You know, loss issomething that I explore a lot. I
have a series that I do limitedseries called Death, Grief and other shit
we don't discuss. Exploring my griefjourney over the loss of my mom Joanne
three years ago, something I'm extremelyinterested in and I find fascinating. And
this film All That We Love issuch a beautiful example of how loss can
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both rip us apart and bring ustogether. Jesse Tyler Ferguson, who was
always a great time, plays Stan, her best friend, and it just
really really is amazing. Fy Ialso loved Jesse in Cocaine Bear, Modern
Family for eleven Years or whatever itwas, and love him in this as
well. So let's get right intoit. My review, not my review,
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my interview with the one and onlyMargaret Show and Jesse Tyler Ferguson.
And by the way, Margaret,besides being a hysterical, groundbreaking comedian.
Comedian Margaret has been in every kindof creative medium you could think of,
from having her own podcast, Idon't know what that was a weird accent,
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from having her own podcast, TheMargaret Show, to a long list
of titles in television, including AllAmerican Girl, Ghost Whisper, Drop Dead
Diva, thirty Rock, for whichshe was nominated for a Primetime Emmy,
Aquafina is Nora from Queens. Andthat's just on the TV side. On
the film side, Geez seventeen again, Face Off the Rugrats movie. She's
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had numerous tours, numerous comedy specials. He is the one and only Margaret
Show. So let's get into myinterview all about All that We Love.
Here's Margaret Show and Jesse Tyler Ferguson. All right, so, first of
all, thank you both so muchfor joining me iHeartRadio's Pop Culture Weekly.
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We are discussing All that We Love, which is an incredible I love this
film so much. I have beendealing with loss and grief for the past
three years in my life and itcame at an interesting time in my life.
What does the film mean for bothof you? Margaret, I love
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the film too. It just reallyconnected with me. I had a dog
who I lost in a part ofmy life that I just wasn't ready to
lose him, and he really destroyedmy entire life. I think that when
we lose an animal, it's hardto really talk about the trauma of that,
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and people trivialize it a lot.So really, this the script really
spoke to me. And it's justabout a woman who loses her dog and
reassesses everything in her life, includingher relationship with her best friend played by
Jesse Tyler Ferguson. Incredible and itis sand and so we we had a
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great time making this film. Itwas really beautiful, but we also had
a lot of funny, funny,funny, funny memories from it. Also
just you have a bunch of comediansmaking a very pretty serious film. It's
it's really exciting. Yeah. Andhow about for you, Jesse, what
what drew it? What drew youto it? Besides amazing, well Margaret
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first, first and foremost, butalso I thought it was a really interesting
study on how grief not only affectsthe person who is dealing with the grief,
but the ripple effects of like howit affects their family and friends and
how they choose to support but alsogive tough love and return. I thought
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it was a very Again, ourdirector and writer did such a great job
SOT capturing that sort of tricky balanceof being able to gree but also you
know, still moving forward and takingcare of the luck ones who are still
with you. That's that's powerful,you know. And it's interesting to me
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because whether that loss comes through adog or a person or whatever, for
us, you know, especially asas animal lovers, it's it hurts the
same. You know, you're missinga big chunk of your life that was
there that is now now physically notthere anymore. And I find it interesting
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that in our society that we don'tnecessarily give this space and respect that that
that grieving process needs for an animal, for anybody, but especially for animals,
you know what I mean. Yeah, it's almost worse. I mean,
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like, I think it's almost worsebecause animals are such recipients of our
undivided love, undivided attention, um, you know, unconditional love. Like
they just are continual recipients of that. The focus of that of most families,
the focus is the family animal,the family dog or cat or whatever
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you know, so that when that'sremoved, it's such a shocking reminder that
we all have limited time on earth. So I think it's a really amazing
thing, you know, that thecreature so loved could be somehow just gone,
and that's a really it is sucha disruption in daily life. So
that's why it's so it's hard todeal with. But then people will say,
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well, it's just a dog,but it's really not. It's so
much of a part of who weare. Yeah, it's also I mean,
you know, dogs and cats andthese animals that we choose to bring
into our homes and love. Imean, it's sort of engineered in a
way that they're only going to bewith us for a fraction of the time.
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I think it almost like they're almostthere to sort of teach you how
to grieve, and and there's somethingvery I don't know, I feel like
they're they're there for more than justa lot that you can give them when
they're on the earth. I thinkthey're also there to like help you learn
how to grieve as well. That'sa really interesting point, you know.
I as I mentioned at the top, my mom passed away three years ago.
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My mo mom then a couple ofmonths later, my mom. They
were my two rocks in my life. And interestingly enough, my dog has
been incredibly It's weird how in tunehe is to me and has actually helped
me with my own grief. Youknow, I was going through some of
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my mom's stuff the other day asI'm bringing it to my house, and
you know, going through it,and I hadn't even started crying at it,
had taken out something and hadn't evenstarted crying yet, and he just
sent something, came and jumped onthe couch and just put his head on
my shoulder. And I'm like,how did you even like a tear hasn't
even been shed. I was gettingthere, but a tear hadn't even been
shed yet, and he just knewsomehow. And you know, to your
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point, Jesse, not only dothey teach us about grief in that unconditional
love and support that they give us, but they teach us about grief because
of their shortened, you know,comparatively to us, their shortened life spans.
Did either of you ever have youknow a dog that you were,
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animal of any kind that just wasyou know, just a devastating loss.
Yes, yes, yeah, Ijust I really had a hard time getting
over the loss of my first dogin adulthood, you know, and it
was really just something I I didn'treally know how to cope with. And
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I think I'm still grieving, youknow. And it's just the price that
we pay, you know, forliving with animals. It's just part of
that. I have a lot.I have a very very big animal household,
you know, so there are verymany members of my family. So
I but I know that that's that'sthe cost of it, is that they
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do live much shorter lifespans. Yeah, yeah, how about for you just
I have two dogs. Of myolder dog, Justin, and I got
when we first started dating. Andhe's starting to get you know, he's
getting older and he's you can't reallyhear, or maybe he has selective hearing.
I'm not really sure yet, becausesometimes he's like miraculous to can here
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when people a arriving, like pownhere when you're calling me. But I
do already, I'm already anticipating whatit's going to be like when when he
passes. And you know, Justinand I neither one of us are really
ready for that. And it isexactly what you said, Margaret, like,
I think that there's a thing thatpeople don't really until you you've had
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a dog in your family in yourlife, you don't understand what it's going
to be like to lose that dog. I mean that that bond is very,
very powerful and it is unconditional lovethat they give you. And I'm
dreading the day that that I losemy first dog, and it's going to
happen at some point in your future. I mean, I'm just treasuring every
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day I have a them. Yeah, that's been a remind you know.
It's similarly Blue. I have arescue pit and he is my uh as
I told you, kind of likemy rock, and I've similarly similarly,
especially with the loss of my lifein the last few years. I'm like,
geez, at some point he's goingto be gone, and it's kind
of made me be like, youknow what, I don't feel like going
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around the block three times today,but I'm going to do it because I
don't know how much you have left, and I might have another eight years
with him. I have no idea, but you know, I'm like kind
of pre grieving now, which,as to your point, Margaret, is
a testament to the love that wehave for them and they have for us.
You know, it really is abeautiful kind of symbiotic relationship. Yeah,
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absolutely absolutely. I mean it's likewe have them for part of our
lives and they are there. We'retheir whole lives. I mean that's the
thing, is the truth is weare there whole lives. Yeah. I
was sweet. Yeah, she wason set with us. Every day she
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was on set with us, shedid She was really good, except one
day she had diarrhea. That wasthe day when we were I had well,
I had diarrhea for production. I'malways gonna have diarrhea. But she
doesn't have it that much. Shehad one day when we were shooting some
of the office scenes. That wasthe only time she whined a little bit.
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She was right off of the camera. She's whenever I work, she's
right off of the camera. Soshe's just right there, you know,
giving giving me encouragement. She's reallyYeah, in your eyeline and your co
stars. I want to stick aroundas my acting to her. Really incredible,
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incredible force. She is adorable.Thank you. And Jesse, do
you do you bring any of youranimals as your you know, as part
of your role, Gigs. No, I brought my barger dog dog Sam
to the set of Modern Family onceand it was fine. But he's so
big it's very intimidating. And leafmy my my first my firstborn is a
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little morky and he's just very happy, so he would not know for for
the film. You know, it'sit's very interesting to me, not only
in you know, what it's speakingdirectly to about grief and loss of a
beloved pet, but life changes inhow it ripples in in its effects.
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So while yes, uh, youknow, there's an immediate loss in that
beloved animal, but uh, itkind of ripples out in our lives to
other things as we see with youknow, uh, with with Emma and
Stan. Uh did that? Wasthat part of what attracted you to the
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script, you know, to thefilm as you were reading you know,
it's very it goes much deeper,multi layered than it initially seems reading the
logline or whatever. You know whatI'm saying, was that part of what
drew it drew you both to itabsolutely, because it really is just about
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assessing all of the things that arein our life that means so much to
us, you know, and thenshe's sort of taking a stock of what
she really cares about and what shewants to do and what she wants to
wants to be around, and whoshe wants to be around. So I
think the loss helps her to understandit. And that's what really I responded
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to the honesty of that. Youknow, I think it's really beautiful.
Yeah, it's a very beautifully structuredfilm about relationships, and it's sort of
the catalyst of like where we're meetingall these people is with the past of
Emma's dog, and but like Isaid, there's a lot of brickle effects
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with these other relationships her emas exhusband, her best friend who I play,
her daughter who Alice plays. It's, uh, it's a really beautiful
film. But I think it,you know, at the core, it's
it's about relationships and about being therefor one another during times of brief and
uh, it's also I mean,listen, Margaret and I aron it,
so you have to understand it's alsofunny, right that it is funny.
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Yeah, yes, but they're there. There are some really funny moments there.
There very much is and it tome that is a reflection of life.
You know, we have the theups and the downs, the laughs
and the tears, the loss andthe life, you know, and and
that's why it really hit. Thefilm really hits for me. It's it's
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such a beautiful film and you bothare so amazing. And what do you
want someone that comes in and watchesthe film, what do you want them
most to take from it? Ihope they can connect with what is really
the beauty of grief, you know, to not have a judgment about it,
and to really kind of understand thatthis is just another part of life
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and it can be as beautiful andas tragic as every other part. So
I think that it's in its ownway as a celebration of when we feel
a loss, it makes us takea real look at what else is there
and what else is happening and howwe can live the rest of our lives.
Mm hmm. Beautiful And Jesse,how about you? I hope people
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take away how fantastic Margaret is inthis film, At how hot I am.
He's so hot in it. It'sso amazing, He's so hot in
it. It's really recycle and everything. He's so hot. I thank you
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both. You are both just extraordinary. Very you know talent artists, actors,
comedians, and it is a pleasureboth to speak with you and to
watch you perform in All that WeLove. I can't wait for everybody to
see this movie. Congratulations on it. It is really a triumph. Thank
you so much. Thank you Margaret, Joe and Jesse Tayler Ferguson. I
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realized that I had like a kindof a modern family reunion having Ed O'Neil
and Jesse Tyler Ferguson all on thesame episode of Pop Culture Weekly, which
is kind of cool. All right, that's our show for this episode,
All that We Love. Go seeit. It is incredible. Clipped on
FX. Watch it. It isincredible. Hit podcast dot popcultureweekly dot com
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not an old uded family reunion.It's a mudder family reunion.
In this episode of pop Culture Weekly, It's all about the brand new limited
series on FX Clipped with ed Onnail, Jackie Weaver, Clea, Patrick Coleman,
and the brand new film All ThatWe Love featuring Margaret Show and Jesse
Tyler. Ferguson. Can't wait totalk to all of them. Let's go.
Welcome to pop Culture Weekly with KyleMcMahon from my Heart Radio, your
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pop culture news, views, reviewsand celebrity interviews on Fall, the movies,
TV, music, and pomp Cultureu Crabe Weekly. Here's Kyle McMahon,
Na Nat, Hello, Welcome topop Culture Weekly with Kyle McMahon.
I of course am Kyle McMahon,and I am so glad that you are
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here to hang out with me foranother episode of pop Culture Weekly. I
do not have this show without you. You make this show happen every single
week. You make it grow everysingle week, and I love you for
it. I love talking to youon social media and email and all the
other places you reach out to meand talking you know, pop culture and
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movies and music and TV and streamingand technology and everything else. You are
awesome. Thank you. So today'sepisode, I'm really excited because there's two
sets of interviews that we're doing.One is on the brand new limited series
on Effects called Clipped, and Italked with the cast and crew, including
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Ed O'Neill, who doesn't love AlBundy, and of course Modern Family and
everything else, Jackie Weaver, CleopatraColeman. I talk with the behind the
scenes creatives Gina Welch, Rembert Brownand Kevin Bray all about the series and
why now is the time to tellthe story of Donald Sterling and the Clippers.
Then in the second half, there'sa brand new film debuting at Tribeca
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that is incredible. It's called AllThat We Love and it stars Margaret Show
and Modern Families Jesse Tyler Ferguson.It is funny, is profound. It
deals with loss and love and relationshipsand the ripples that happen when we lose
someone or something that we love,in this case a dog. So lots
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of great, great stuff this episode. Let's get right into it. We'll
start with Clipped on FX. SoClipped takes you behind the scenes of the
notorious Donald Sterling, who was anNBA owner that owned the Clippers, and
the racist remarks that were captured ontape and ended up being heard around the
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world. It's based on the hitpodcast ESPN thirty for thirty The Sterling Affairs.
So this series charts the collision betweenthe dysfunctional basketball organization and an even
less functional marriage and the tape's impacton a whole host of characters striving to
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win again against the backdrop of themost cursed team in the league. So
Doc Rivers, who is a famouscoach of the Clippers, is played by
Lawrence Fishburn, and he's very hopefulto win the franchise's first championship. Of
course, the team's owner, DonaldSterling, who was played by Ed O'Neil,
is a well known problem because he'scheap, a bully, and he's
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erratic. Then there is the Stivianoplayed by Cleopatri Coleman, who's amazing,
and his wife and business partner ofsixty years, Shelley, who's played by
Jackie Weaver, love her. Soit is really you know, the original
podcast ESPN thirty for thirty Sterling Affairsis amazing. It's based on that.
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The acting in this is awesome.You know, we all know how it
ends, but I didn't know alot of the intricacies of the story,
so we're going to jump right intoit. First up, we're talking to
executive producer and creator and show runnerGina Welch, along with director Kevin Bray
and writer Rembert Brown. So let'sjump right into that conversation. Here they
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are, Gina Welch, remember Brown, and Kevin Bray. So, first
of all, I love clip.It is really great. You know,
it's it's it's all of the things, and I can't wait for everybody to
see it. I have to know, you know, obviously this was a
big story when it happened. Whatdrew all of you to telling this tale
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for the screen? Kevin, Idon't know if you wanted to start,
Okay, sure, the the storywas intriguing to me. The story was
very important to me as a transplantfrom New York to Los Angeles. These
things kind of enraged me, asthey should. But when I really started
circling it in present in present timeand it was presented to me the writing,
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what Gina wrote and her approach toit was fantastic and I couldn't say
no. And then ultimately finding connectivetissue in my own personal life, the
character of Doc reminded me of menand my family, you know, my
father being involved in civil rights movementin the sixties, and then my grandfather
being involved in being from born inChicago, moving to Detroit and working with
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Ralph Bunch and a lot of civilrights activists from the NAACP. So there
was something about Doc's circumstances reminded meof a lot of the men in my
family and friends and friends of myfather, black men of the twentieth century
who were trying to move up andwho were always bristling against this kind of
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embedded, imbedded bigotry and racism inthe country. Yeah, for me,
I mean, I love a crazyla story about ambitious people who are ultimately
doomed. And then it was also, I thought, a really great way
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of looking at, you know,the cost of living and working and trying
to be generous to one another underthe ownership of you know, a toxic
racist and competent buffoon. I gotan email from Gina and it was like
one of the best emails I've evergotten. But yeah, I'm you know,
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I covered I wrote about Sterling intwenty fourteen as a journalist, and
so it was you know, notjust live through it, but had dedicated
a lot of mental space about whatthis whole thing meant for the country,
for individuals, for the players,for fans, you know, all of
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that. So, you know,this is my first TV show worked on,
you know, from beginning to end, and so like, I can't
think of a better subject matter andgroup of people to be able to do
this with because there was a levelof like, you know, really wanting
to get this right in terms oflike taking people back to twenty fourteen.
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And it was a very online timeof my life, and so I felt
very I felt very capable to youknow, raise my hand and make sure
that like the things that we weredoing fell you know right for the time,
both the basketball ness of it andthe kind of internet super onlineness of
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it all. Yeah, I loveyou know, your take on that.
And for me, you know same, I was very online time of my
life. I was not you know, I've never been a big sports fan.
I've been a big movie buff andI played soccer and stuff. But
when that story broke, I wasglued you know online because I'm like,
what how you know, and andit kind of shocked me into you know,
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paying attention and how could this?You know, how is this happening?
And and I was I was glued, and so you know, I
think unfortunately sometimes things like this,Uh, it takes something like this for
people in certain circles to pay attention, you know, and and see wow,
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like you know, even in whatyou would I would consider, you
know, this upper echelon of societywith you know, NBA players and owners
and all that, there's this systemicalmost problems that still have not gone away.
Do you as you're working on theproject? This is for all of
you as well. I hate tosay it as bluntly as Donald is a
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villain, but are you able tohumanize somebody like that as you're working on
a project like this? I mean, I think in the writing and and
and in the performance, you're youalways have to render the point of view
of any character with sort of respectfor the character's humanity. And so I
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think when we were writing Donald,you know, we had a lot of
documents to or build his point ofview on, obviously, but then you
have to write him as somebody whohe believes he's doing good in the world,
you know, And he's not anyonewho's who's used to being told no.
And so you know, and Ithink to the extent that we're attaching
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ourselves to his humanity, it's throughhis insecurity. I think he's very insecure
man, and and and certainly Ithink Ed plays him with abundant humanity.
Yeah, absolutely, yeah, yeah, I think you find I think about
even in the scene where he comesinto for the Barbara Walters interview. Uh,
there's a there's a there's sympathy builtin in the worst behavior. You
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could look at it from a perspectivewhere where you have some sympathy for him.
Yes, thank you all. Ireally appreciate it. I can't wait
for everybody to see Clipped on FX. Thank you so much. Thank you.
You know well, Itch Remember Brownand Kevin Bray love to hear the
behind the scenes stories of why youknow, art exists, and in this
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case, it's very interesting to hearhow Clipped came to be. So all
right, Next up, we've gotthe three Stars. Cleopatra Coleman is amazing
as the She of course, isDevorah blood Axe in Rebel Moon Part one,
A Child of Fire and Rebel MoonPart two, the Scargiver, and
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she's incredible as the Jackie Weaver.I love Jackie Weaver. She is a
iconic actress that has been working sincethe sixties on the screen, the silver
screen and the stage. Of course, she's been in silver Lining's Playbook,
Father Stu, Picnic It, HangingRock and more. But my favorite roles
of hers are the horror movies likeHaunt, Bird Box, and The Grudge.
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So excited to talk with her andEd O'Neil, who has numerous iconic
roles. Of course, Al Bundymarried with children Jay Pritchett in Modern Family,
where he won four Screen Actors GuildAwards and was nominated for three Primetime
Emmy Awards. So let's jump rightin to my interview with the Clipped cast.
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Here's Cleopatra Coleman, Jackie Weaver,and Ed O'Neil. All right,
kle So Clipped is, first ofall, absolutely amazing. I can't wait
for everybody to see it. Ihave to ask all three of you,
is it do you find it asactors? Is it difficult when you're playing
characters that are real, you know, characters that exist. Do you find
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as actors that that is different?Are you able to separate that? How
does that work for each of you? Well, you have to say to
yourself, first of all, thisis not a documentary. This is a
piece of fiction based on real facts, and therefore you could make it make
your So I did try to looklike it and sound like I did quite
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a bit of research and I playedher voice every day before I went on
set, because you know, I'mAustralian. I don't sound reutely like Shelley.
But but I don't think you haveto do that. But we we
did do that. Yeah, youhave to keep saying someone's made this story
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up and it's just based on realfacts. If you want the absolute real
facts, watch documentary. That's myfeeling. I love that. How about
for you, Ed, Yeah,I think that's very close to my feelings
as well. I mean I thinkthat, you know, you want to
get an approximation of the guy,but I never met him. I don't
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know much of about him. Icould find out a few things. But
you're basically working in the script.You go scene to scene every day you
come in, You've got a pieceof work you have to do, and
with the help of the director andyour other actors, you figure out that
scene. And then of course thewriting is constructed so at the end of
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the shoot, it all comes togetherand makes the story. So it's piecemeal,
and I would agree, yeah,Like I think, like Jackie and
Ed said, you kind of haveto make a decision about how you're going
to view this. I think atfirst it's like, Okay, this is
a real person, what research canI do? But then it's the same
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as any acting job. It's thesame job. It's the same process,
which is like getting to know thisperson, what are their motivations and how
am I going to play it inthis scene and that scene in this scene.
So for me, I tried notto look at the as much through
the lens of the scandal. Iobviously study the Barbara Walters interview and stuff
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like that, but I tried tojust look at her as a character on
the page and the going the oppositeway. Now, Cleopatra, do you
feel, you know, as you'redoing any character, but especially the do
you feel are you able to connectwith them kind of you know, in
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your role you're kind of a whistleblowerin some ways, do you feel that
connection with you know, knowing asyou've described now that you're able to separate
it into this character that you're playing. Do you still feel that connection with
the character that you are now playingon from the page rather than from the
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headlines you know what I'm saying.I do, Yeah, that I do
know what you're saying, and thatthat was the choice that I had to
make, was to sort of notnot look at it through that lens as
much as it it's a big partof the story, but that's done for
me in the writing. My jobwas to really like find as many honest
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moments I could in playing this characterand explore her motivations, explore you know,
really what she wanted, and findher humanity. And my way to
do that is always through compassion.Whether I'm playing someone likable or not,
it's not really the point, butit's to sort of find something that you
can understand, even if they're verydifferent from you. As an actor,
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that's our job, you know edfor you. You know, you've played
so many iconic characters and then youhave you know, you have Donald who
in many ways is not as lovableas some of your other characters. Is
that enjoyable for you to to tokind of have that variety, you know?
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Is it? Is? It?Okay? It can be you know
what I mean. The thing ofit is that I don't take into like
I rehearse roles when I'm at home. I just learned the lines uninflected.
And then because I really kind ofthink that we're not AI. You know,
there's no emotion until it happens,and we can't control emotion. Really,
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we can fake it, but wecan't control it. So I always
like to you know, there's asubconscious always at work. So when you're
doing a scene with another act,there's sometimes that subconscious kicks in you don't
even know from where. And that'sthe fun of it for me. Oh
yeah, so that that's what Icall the magic of it. You just
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allow that to happens once sometimes verysurprising results will occur, and I like
that sometimes nothing but well it's nota robot thing, you know. Yeah,
I love that. And Jackie foryou, you know, first of
all, I love I love allof your work, but especially your harror
work. I'm huge horror fans,but you you know, you've done so
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many interesting characters, and you know, with Shelley, she is interesting in
her own way and very much conflicted. I feel in this you know series,
Do you feel that as an actor. You know, as you're doing
that, are you putting yourself intoShelley's space and kind of do you feel
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that conflict as well? You know, I'm interested in that. We're all
we're all many layered. You know, nobody's totally evil and nobody's totally perfect.
And I think it's in the writing. You know. The writing was
so good because a lot of it'sthis series has imagined, because nobody knows
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what went on behind closed doors.So Gina Welsh has done such a great
job filling in the blanks with thesecharacters so that they've got many layers,
including Shelley. You know, sheseems demure and lady like it sometimes and
then she does a block. DidI say that in America? Do you
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block? And yeah? There weremany aspects to the characters that were fun
to play. I love that.Thank you all for for you know,
giving insight into these complex characters thatrepresent all of us as complex people.
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I can't wait for everybody to seeclips exclusively on effect. Thank you,
Thank you, thank you, havea great day. Thanks Cleo, Patrick
Coleman, Jackie, we Were andEd O'Neil love them and I love clip.
It is so so good it is. You know, you know,
I'm not a huge sports fan,but it kept but it kept my attention
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the entire time because I'm like,oh my god, like what's going to
happen? And I kind of rememberthis happening, you know, playing out
in the show sports world, wellnot just the sports world, but kind
of everywhere when it broke out,So it was cool to you know,
see a imagining of the story forthis limited series. Clipped is available exclusively
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on FX and of course FX onHulu, so make sure you check it
out. Love Love, Love Clipped. All right, We're gonna take a
short break sixty seconds to pay thebills, hang with us, and I
will see you in sixty all right, Welcome back to Pop Culture Weekly with
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Kyle McMahon. Thank you for stickingaround and hanging out with me. For
our amazing advertisers, who just likeyou, helped to keep the show going.
So I appreciate that they appreciate that. Check out their stuff, all
right. Next up, All ThatWe Love is this pretty incredible film that
debuted at the Tryback a Film Festival, and it follows Emma played by Margaret
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ch who faces an empty nest uponthe loss of her beloved dog, and
she begins some feelings for her strangeex husband who's coming back to America,
and basically is just navigating the joyand sorrow of starting anew in whatever small
or large way that means, andthen of course the ripples that go from
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that. You know, loss issomething that I explore a lot. I
have a series that I do limitedseries called Death, Grief and other shit
we don't discuss. Exploring my griefjourney over the loss of my mom Joanne
three years ago, something I'm extremelyinterested in and I find fascinating. And
this film All That We Love issuch a beautiful example of how loss can
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both rip us apart and bring ustogether. Jesse Tyler Ferguson, who was
always a great time, plays Stan, her best friend, and it just
really really is amazing. Fy Ialso loved Jesse in Cocaine Bear, Modern
Family for eleven Years or whatever itwas, and love him in this as
well. So let's get right intoit. My review, not my review,
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my interview with the one and onlyMargaret Show and Jesse Tyler Ferguson.
And by the way, Margaret,besides being a hysterical, groundbreaking comedian.
Comedian Margaret has been in every kindof creative medium you could think of,
from having her own podcast, Idon't know what that was a weird accent,
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from having her own podcast, TheMargaret Show, to a long list
of titles in television, including AllAmerican Girl, Ghost Whisper, Drop Dead
Diva, thirty Rock, for whichshe was nominated for a Primetime Emmy,
Aquafina is Nora from Queens. Andthat's just on the TV side. On
the film side, Geez seventeen again, Face Off the Rugrats movie. She's
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had numerous tours, numerous comedy specials. He is the one and only Margaret
Show. So let's get into myinterview all about All that We Love.
Here's Margaret Show and Jesse Tyler Ferguson. All right, so, first of
all, thank you both so muchfor joining me iHeartRadio's Pop Culture Weekly.
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We are discussing All that We Love, which is an incredible I love this
film so much. I have beendealing with loss and grief for the past
three years in my life and itcame at an interesting time in my life.
What does the film mean for bothof you? Margaret, I love
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the film too. It just reallyconnected with me. I had a dog
who I lost in a part ofmy life that I just wasn't ready to
lose him, and he really destroyedmy entire life. I think that when
we lose an animal, it's hardto really talk about the trauma of that,
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and people trivialize it a lot.So really, this the script really
spoke to me. And it's justabout a woman who loses her dog and
reassesses everything in her life, includingher relationship with her best friend played by
Jesse Tyler Ferguson. Incredible and itis sand and so we we had a
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great time making this film. Itwas really beautiful, but we also had
a lot of funny, funny,funny, funny memories from it. Also
just you have a bunch of comediansmaking a very pretty serious film. It's
it's really exciting. Yeah. Andhow about for you, Jesse, what
what drew it? What drew youto it? Besides amazing, well Margaret
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first, first and foremost, butalso I thought it was a really interesting
study on how grief not only affectsthe person who is dealing with the grief,
but the ripple effects of like howit affects their family and friends and
how they choose to support but alsogive tough love and return. I thought
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it was a very Again, ourdirector and writer did such a great job
SOT capturing that sort of tricky balanceof being able to gree but also you
know, still moving forward and takingcare of the luck ones who are still
with you. That's that's powerful,you know. And it's interesting to me
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because whether that loss comes through adog or a person or whatever, for
us, you know, especially asas animal lovers, it's it hurts the
same. You know, you're missinga big chunk of your life that was
there that is now now physically notthere anymore. And I find it interesting
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that in our society that we don'tnecessarily give this space and respect that that
that grieving process needs for an animal, for anybody, but especially for animals,
you know what I mean. Yeah, it's almost worse. I mean,
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like, I think it's almost worsebecause animals are such recipients of our
undivided love, undivided attention, um, you know, unconditional love. Like
they just are continual recipients of that. The focus of that of most families,
the focus is the family animal,the family dog or cat or whatever
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you know, so that when that'sremoved, it's such a shocking reminder that
we all have limited time on earth. So I think it's a really amazing
thing, you know, that thecreature so loved could be somehow just gone,
and that's a really it is sucha disruption in daily life. So
that's why it's so it's hard todeal with. But then people will say,
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well, it's just a dog,but it's really not. It's so
much of a part of who weare. Yeah, it's also I mean,
you know, dogs and cats andthese animals that we choose to bring
into our homes and love. Imean, it's sort of engineered in a
way that they're only going to bewith us for a fraction of the time.
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I think it almost like they're almostthere to sort of teach you how
to grieve, and and there's somethingvery I don't know, I feel like
they're they're there for more than justa lot that you can give them when
they're on the earth. I thinkthey're also there to like help you learn
how to grieve as well. That'sa really interesting point, you know.
I as I mentioned at the top, my mom passed away three years ago.
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My mo mom then a couple ofmonths later, my mom. They
were my two rocks in my life. And interestingly enough, my dog has
been incredibly It's weird how in tunehe is to me and has actually helped
me with my own grief. Youknow, I was going through some of
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my mom's stuff the other day asI'm bringing it to my house, and
you know, going through it,and I hadn't even started crying at it,
had taken out something and hadn't evenstarted crying yet, and he just
sent something, came and jumped onthe couch and just put his head on
my shoulder. And I'm like,how did you even like a tear hasn't
even been shed. I was gettingthere, but a tear hadn't even been
shed yet, and he just knewsomehow. And you know, to your
(27:41):
point, Jesse, not only dothey teach us about grief in that unconditional
love and support that they give us, but they teach us about grief because
of their shortened, you know,comparatively to us, their shortened life spans.
Did either of you ever have youknow a dog that you were,
(28:03):
animal of any kind that just wasyou know, just a devastating loss.
Yes, yes, yeah, Ijust I really had a hard time getting
over the loss of my first dogin adulthood, you know, and it
was really just something I I didn'treally know how to cope with. And
(28:26):
I think I'm still grieving, youknow. And it's just the price that
we pay, you know, forliving with animals. It's just part of
that. I have a lot.I have a very very big animal household,
you know, so there are verymany members of my family. So
I but I know that that's that'sthe cost of it, is that they
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do live much shorter lifespans. Yeah, yeah, how about for you just
I have two dogs. Of myolder dog, Justin, and I got
when we first started dating. Andhe's starting to get you know, he's
getting older and he's you can't reallyhear, or maybe he has selective hearing.
I'm not really sure yet, becausesometimes he's like miraculous to can here
(29:11):
when people a arriving, like pownhere when you're calling me. But I
do already, I'm already anticipating whatit's going to be like when when he
passes. And you know, Justinand I neither one of us are really
ready for that. And it isexactly what you said, Margaret, like,
I think that there's a thing thatpeople don't really until you you've had
(29:36):
a dog in your family in yourlife, you don't understand what it's going
to be like to lose that dog. I mean that that bond is very,
very powerful and it is unconditional lovethat they give you. And I'm
dreading the day that that I losemy first dog, and it's going to
happen at some point in your future. I mean, I'm just treasuring every
(29:59):
day I have a them. Yeah, that's been a remind you know.
It's similarly Blue. I have arescue pit and he is my uh as
I told you, kind of likemy rock, and I've similarly similarly,
especially with the loss of my lifein the last few years. I'm like,
geez, at some point he's goingto be gone, and it's kind
of made me be like, youknow what, I don't feel like going
(30:22):
around the block three times today,but I'm going to do it because I
don't know how much you have left, and I might have another eight years
with him. I have no idea, but you know, I'm like kind
of pre grieving now, which,as to your point, Margaret, is
a testament to the love that wehave for them and they have for us.
You know, it really is abeautiful kind of symbiotic relationship. Yeah,
(30:45):
absolutely absolutely. I mean it's likewe have them for part of our
lives and they are there. We'retheir whole lives. I mean that's the
thing, is the truth is weare there whole lives. Yeah. I
was sweet. Yeah, she wason set with us. Every day she
(31:07):
was on set with us, shedid She was really good, except one
day she had diarrhea. That wasthe day when we were I had well,
I had diarrhea for production. I'malways gonna have diarrhea. But she
doesn't have it that much. Shehad one day when we were shooting some
of the office scenes. That wasthe only time she whined a little bit.
(31:27):
She was right off of the camera. She's whenever I work, she's
right off of the camera. Soshe's just right there, you know,
giving giving me encouragement. She's reallyYeah, in your eyeline and your co
stars. I want to stick aroundas my acting to her. Really incredible,
(31:49):
incredible force. She is adorable.Thank you. And Jesse, do
you do you bring any of youranimals as your you know, as part
of your role, Gigs. No, I brought my barger dog dog Sam
to the set of Modern Family onceand it was fine. But he's so
big it's very intimidating. And leafmy my my first my firstborn is a
(32:14):
little morky and he's just very happy, so he would not know for for
the film. You know, it'sit's very interesting to me, not only
in you know, what it's speakingdirectly to about grief and loss of a
beloved pet, but life changes inhow it ripples in in its effects.
(32:37):
So while yes, uh, youknow, there's an immediate loss in that
beloved animal, but uh, itkind of ripples out in our lives to
other things as we see with youknow, uh, with with Emma and
Stan. Uh did that? Wasthat part of what attracted you to the
(33:00):
script, you know, to thefilm as you were reading you know,
it's very it goes much deeper,multi layered than it initially seems reading the
logline or whatever. You know whatI'm saying, was that part of what
drew it drew you both to itabsolutely, because it really is just about
(33:21):
assessing all of the things that arein our life that means so much to
us, you know, and thenshe's sort of taking a stock of what
she really cares about and what shewants to do and what she wants to
wants to be around, and whoshe wants to be around. So I
think the loss helps her to understandit. And that's what really I responded
(33:43):
to the honesty of that. Youknow, I think it's really beautiful.
Yeah, it's a very beautifully structuredfilm about relationships, and it's sort of
the catalyst of like where we're meetingall these people is with the past of
Emma's dog, and but like Isaid, there's a lot of brickle effects
(34:04):
with these other relationships her emas exhusband, her best friend who I play,
her daughter who Alice plays. It's, uh, it's a really beautiful
film. But I think it,you know, at the core, it's
it's about relationships and about being therefor one another during times of brief and
uh, it's also I mean,listen, Margaret and I aron it,
so you have to understand it's alsofunny, right that it is funny.
(34:28):
Yeah, yes, but they're there. There are some really funny moments there.
There very much is and it tome that is a reflection of life.
You know, we have the theups and the downs, the laughs
and the tears, the loss andthe life, you know, and and
that's why it really hit. Thefilm really hits for me. It's it's
(34:51):
such a beautiful film and you bothare so amazing. And what do you
want someone that comes in and watchesthe film, what do you want them
most to take from it? Ihope they can connect with what is really
the beauty of grief, you know, to not have a judgment about it,
and to really kind of understand thatthis is just another part of life
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and it can be as beautiful andas tragic as every other part. So
I think that it's in its ownway as a celebration of when we feel
a loss, it makes us takea real look at what else is there
and what else is happening and howwe can live the rest of our lives.
Mm hmm. Beautiful And Jesse,how about you? I hope people
(35:36):
take away how fantastic Margaret is inthis film, At how hot I am.
He's so hot in it. It'sso amazing, He's so hot in
it. It's really recycle and everything. He's so hot. I thank you
(35:57):
both. You are both just extraordinary. Very you know talent artists, actors,
comedians, and it is a pleasureboth to speak with you and to
watch you perform in All that WeLove. I can't wait for everybody to
see this movie. Congratulations on it. It is really a triumph. Thank
you so much. Thank you Margaret, Joe and Jesse Tayler Ferguson. I
(36:21):
realized that I had like a kindof a modern family reunion having Ed O'Neil
and Jesse Tyler Ferguson all on thesame episode of Pop Culture Weekly, which
is kind of cool. All right, that's our show for this episode,
All that We Love. Go seeit. It is incredible. Clipped on
FX. Watch it. It isincredible. Hit podcast dot popcultureweekly dot com
(36:45):
to get all of the extras andyou know extras, all that stuff for
any episode of Pop Culture Weekly,including this one. It's a pretty cool
site that we put a lot oftime into to kind of make a you
know, an inter connected things.So if you liked my interview with Margaret
show, you can go and seeall the all the interviews I've done with
(37:06):
her, that sort of thing.So it's a really cool resource. All
right, I will see you nextweek. I love you. We thank
you for listening to pop Culture Weekly. You're all the latest at pop culturewekly
dot com. It's a mudder familyreunion. It's a mud family. It's
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