Ryan Fills In, Explores Edmund Fitzgerald and More!

In the second hour of today's show, Ryan Schuiling fills in to tackle a variety of topics. 

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:15):
Switching gears now to one of our favorite reporters on
the national front. She is the national political correspondent for
Real Clear Politics, and she has been covering very closely
this story you may have seen breaking over the last
several days regarding the identity of the January sixth pipe
bombing suspect. The Blaze has reported, into my knowledge, they

(00:36):
are the only outlet that has done so, that Capitol
Police Officer Shawni Ray Kirkhoff matched a profile of a
video depicting the perpetrator, the alleged pipe bomber, and this
was outside of both the DNC and the RNC. They're
in DC on January sixth, and that this profile was
using forensic gait analysis gait the way a person walks.

(01:01):
How reliable is this science? How reliable is any of
this information. There's a lot of smoke out there, but
we cut to the chase and the fire and Susan
Crabtree joins us. Now, Susan, thanks as always for your time.

Speaker 3 (01:12):
Oh it's my pleasure. Thanks for having me.

Speaker 2 (01:14):
So I turned to you for knowledge on the subject
what do we know, what do we not know? And
what's out there right now that you view is either
ahead of the story or completely incorrect.

Speaker 4 (01:29):
Well, my part of the story.

Speaker 5 (01:30):
As you know, I cover this Secret Service very closely.

Speaker 4 (01:34):
And have for years, but especially.

Speaker 5 (01:37):
In the aftermath of the Butler assassination attempt, and when that,
after that occurred, I started hearing from there was more
scrutiny of this pipeline incident on J six as well,
and I started hearing from Secret Service agents that they
were asked under the Biden era leadership to submit their phones,

(02:02):
their cell phones, and those.

Speaker 3 (02:04):
Cell phones and it was all.

Speaker 5 (02:06):
Of the agents that worked on J six and those
cell phones were wiped and they were told that it
was a software migration and what's happening, and no one,
absolutely no.

Speaker 3 (02:18):
One believed them on that.

Speaker 5 (02:20):
So that's sort of where I'm looking at this. I
was commenting about it on X from the perspective that
the Congressional investigators are now wanting the Sacred Service to
basically cough up more information about.

Speaker 4 (02:36):
Why they did not find that pipe bomb at the
DNC early that morning.

Speaker 6 (02:43):
Had they swept it for Kamala Harris to come in,
but they somehow.

Speaker 5 (02:49):
Missed a pipe bomb, even though they have bomb stiffing
dogs that are usually very reliable doing somebody sweeps. So
it's all very curious when you talk about the data analysis.
You know, I don't know that much about data analysis,
but I know that at least if if we have

(03:12):
narrow the field of people it could possibly be, then
maybe just maybe some law enforcement authorities that aren't so
tarnished like during the last administration.

Speaker 4 (03:24):
In the FBI could speak to.

Speaker 5 (03:27):
These individuals that might have this Blaze has said, have
gata analysis that fits the gata analysis in the video
of the person who left the pipe that the FBI release.

Speaker 2 (03:43):
Susan Crabtree, national political correspondent for Real Clear Politics. As
you mentioned, Susan, you're as well sourced within the Secret
Service as anybody I know or follow or have seen
report on the matter.

Speaker 7 (03:55):
Short version, is there any sourcing.

Speaker 2 (03:58):
That you have done through you reporting the corroborates the
Blaze report or is this kind of they're on an
Island with whatever they're doing on that reporting.

Speaker 5 (04:08):
Yeah, I have not been focused on J six, the
pipe bomb. I've been focused on the assassination attempt. But
there is obviously agents are.

Speaker 4 (04:19):
Very angry that they were had their phone's wife. It's
part of the.

Speaker 5 (04:23):
Corruption that was taking place under the Biden agent Biden
era for a lot of agencies. I mean Kimberly Cheetle,
who ran the Super Service, was absolutely covered.

Speaker 4 (04:34):
Up the cocaine.

Speaker 3 (04:35):
Incident at the White House, and I've done.

Speaker 4 (04:37):
A lot of good reporting on that. And the Secret
Service agents were.

Speaker 5 (04:41):
So mad about that particular cover up of the cocaine
that they issued what is called the challenge coins with
the monkeys on it the Sino see nothing, nothing, nothing monkeys.
And they gave me a picture of that challenge coin.
The agent who made it made to one hundred of
them because they were looked like they were incompetent. And

(05:05):
I think the same thing is going here on here
with the FBI.

Speaker 4 (05:09):
People are angry that they don't have answers. Too many
things that happen.

Speaker 2 (05:13):
Yes, Pioneer and Susan, one of the mean characters in
this entire story that you and I have followed and
that you know personally is now the Deputy director of
the FBI, and that's Dan Bongino, and he was asking
these questions and I was following along on two fronts
here when it comes to the January sixth pipe find
both the suspect who had planted them in the first place,

(05:35):
the Blaze alleges it's a Capitol police officer, former Capitol
police officer, and video that captures and I believe it
was Representative Thomas Massey that has been pointing this out
on the video, somebody discovered the pipe bombs and alerted
local police officers, DC police officers on site, and.

Speaker 7 (05:53):
We don't know who that person is.

Speaker 2 (05:54):
And the question that Dan was always asking is why
don't we know the identity.

Speaker 7 (05:58):
Of the suspect, the person and the planted the bombs.
Why not?

Speaker 2 (06:02):
And then why would we know about this hero who
saved the day and found the bombs.

Speaker 7 (06:07):
And reported in the police. I mean, there's just so
much about this that doesn't.

Speaker 4 (06:09):
Add up absolutely.

Speaker 5 (06:12):
And then the woman Capitol police officer who the Blaze identified,
I understand she's nowt a three letter agency and that
is raising eyebrows.

Speaker 3 (06:22):
At least according to the blaze.

Speaker 5 (06:25):
That really to me, if that is true, and we
need to get to the bottom of it. Of course,
we want the FBI to be digging into this, and
we likely they don't. You know, they don't usually disclose
what they're doing, but all of a sudden you'll have
one day where they just announce their findings, and hopefully
that's what's going to happen. But the fact if she

(06:47):
was you know, basically taken and given a better job
at the CIA or other agencies in their national security apparatus,
if that's the case, and it distinks to high heaven,
and we need answers what this is supposed to be
sort of like an insurance policy, right, it was another

(07:09):
insurance policy that we.

Speaker 6 (07:11):
Heard, you know, the page instruck who are having an.

Speaker 5 (07:15):
Affair of the FBI employees agents who launched the whole
behind the whole hoax of the Russia hoax.

Speaker 4 (07:26):
This is another insurance policy.

Speaker 5 (07:28):
That's at least that could be the explanation that has
been circulating that if.

Speaker 3 (07:34):
They went to certify, if Vice President.

Speaker 5 (07:36):
Hence went to certify that election, uh, that these bombs
could go off creating a big distraction, or they were
could be found I guess they were inoperatable.

Speaker 4 (07:46):
But we still don't have all these answers.

Speaker 6 (07:48):
And I'm, you know, a national political reporter, and I've
looked into this, and I don't have all these answers,
and that to me speaks to the trust in our
government that has been eroded, was evoted in many instances
during the Biden administration.

Speaker 2 (08:06):
In the final minute that we have, Susan, what is
the next part of this story that you're following up
on that you're covering.

Speaker 5 (08:13):
Well, I am, I would like to know if she
did indeed gets married away, if it's in particular Capital
police person.

Speaker 4 (08:23):
Can we just.

Speaker 5 (08:23):
Confirm that part of it into if she did was
employed by a CIA.

Speaker 3 (08:30):
Or that's a very unusual track to.

Speaker 5 (08:33):
Go from a capital police officer to an intelligence agency.

Speaker 4 (08:39):
That's not normal.

Speaker 3 (08:40):
Let's find out about that.

Speaker 2 (08:42):
Follow her on exit, Susan Crabtree. She is the national
political correspondent for real clear Politics, and as you can hear,
she is right there at the center of these stories.
With tremendous sourcing within the Secret Service. There is a
lot of anks within that organization that continues as we
have more questions than Anne there still on January sixth

(09:02):
and on so many other things that happened in the
aftermath of that. Susan great stuff is always. Thank you
so much for your time. We'll talk again soon.

Speaker 4 (09:09):
I appreciate you.

Speaker 8 (09:10):
Man.

Speaker 7 (09:11):
My conversation with Susan Crabtree.

Speaker 2 (09:13):
Ryan Shuling filling in in the second hour of the
Dan Caplis Show. He is off to an event and
we are fielding your texts at five seven seven three nine.
We'll get to some of those. We come back with
more after this on the Dan Campless Show. And now

(09:34):
back to the Dankapless Show podcast. Dan Capless is out
for the second hour five seven seven three nine. Folks,
I'm flying solo, so my apologies for not being able
to take phone calls simultaneously whilst on the microphone, but
happy to hear from you on that text line.

Speaker 7 (09:52):
It makes it easier for me at five seven seven
three nine. And boy do we have a flood of.

Speaker 2 (09:56):
Those coming in, including this Starbucks stuff which Dan just
kind of brought up out of the clear blue. And
this is from an earlier text. Somebody across a picket
line got some Starbucks and this Texter's not happy.

Speaker 7 (10:11):
Damn. Thank you for letting us know.

Speaker 2 (10:13):
Amy goes to Starbucks after Ryan tries to stereotype people
that do as woke. Remember when anyone could go anywhere
and not have people making assumptions about them. Well, first
of all, I go to Starbucks, so I'm an outlier.
I would believe in this instance, I wouldn't consider Amy's
for or campalists to be woke by any stretch. She's

(10:35):
probably what you call like a classical liberal, traditional democrat.

Speaker 7 (10:39):
Very few of those remaining. Maybe I'm just making a
guess here, but that she might find John Fetterman to
be appealing. That could be one. But am I wrong?

Speaker 2 (10:51):
I mean, if I'm wrong, then go ay right, jerk,
you don't know what you're talking about. But come on,
I mean, first of all, we know some of the
behaviors in the past, and they they've adjusted on some
of these times. You know around the holidays that the
people who run Starbucks are woke. The people that I've
seen in Starbucks tend to, I think, be of that persuasion.

Speaker 7 (11:13):
Again, if I'm wrong, let me know. I enjoy coffee.

Speaker 2 (11:17):
I like grinding my own whole bean coffee at home.
So Dan says you what, he has five cups of
coffee a year. I might have five in one day.
I love coffee.

Speaker 7 (11:26):
It's good for you, at least that's what I hear anyway, antioxidants.

Speaker 2 (11:29):
You know, it's sortything good for your heart. So I
like to lean into my coffee experience. Now there's Black
Rifle Coffee, that is coffee produced by people.

Speaker 7 (11:40):
Who they're like us, they're one of us.

Speaker 2 (11:44):
But then also Blackout Coffee that's the one that Dan
Bongino endorses, and of course now he's the deputy director
of the FBI. We're discussing him in the previous segment
of conversation with Susan Crabtree from Real Clear Politics. But
they also are conservatives. They advertise on conservative So I
subscribe to Blackout Coffee. I get it delivered. I like

(12:05):
their morning Reaper. I prefer a dark roast. This is
what really kind of confused me on the issue of
coffee over these last several years, that I learned that
the blonde coffee, so that which is roasted less that one's,
those are actually higher in caffeine content.

Speaker 7 (12:21):
I'm not sure why that is. I don't know the
science behind it. Perhaps many of you do, But the
darker roast that rich, robust flavor that I like. Those
tend to be a little bit lower.

Speaker 2 (12:30):
In caffeine content, So it was a fun fact that
I didn't know. I would have guessed the opposite. Darker
means stronger, but not in that way, not in the
caffeinated way. This Texter has an answer, and thank you
for that red cup day at Starbucks nationwide walk out
for better pay. Well, they better be careful about that
because the higher the wages go for a job like that,

(12:50):
all due respect, Maurice is out there. You do important job,
but the more money you make, the fewer employees the
corporation will be able to hire.

Speaker 7 (13:00):
And so you have the This is happening in.

Speaker 2 (13:02):
California where they have that mandatory minimum wage is what
twenty five dollars an hour something crazy. They can't hire
as many people at that wage. It's restrictive. And a
lot of these jobs are intended to be kind of
entry level jobs. You work your way up, you gain experience,
you put on your resume, you go to school, or
you go to trade or you learn on the job,

(13:23):
and then you get better jobs at better pay. These
aren't necessarily meant to be career destinations. They can be everybody.
Do you deserve a living wage? You deserve what the
job commands, and you know that's going to be I
think dictated largely by the employer, by the corporation.

Speaker 7 (13:41):
Dan, I had thought.

Speaker 2 (13:43):
I had a thought about Ryan's worry about the Republicans
debating Michael Bennett. I have an empty paper bag on
the counter that could beat Bennett in a debate. I
would like to debate Michael Bennett as Michael Bennett.

Speaker 7 (13:56):
Well, you see it ched Cruz. He doesn't care about people.
He comes in here people who are drowning.

Speaker 2 (14:04):
And if you watch Michael Bennett, the fun part about
the senator is the more worked up he gets, the
less elocution he has, the less he is able to enunciate.
He gets real slurry with his words where he gets
really upset. Okay, and yes he has all Leland Conway
our counterpart now with Cogo San Diego, and he filled

(14:27):
in this morning on six.

Speaker 7 (14:28):
Point thirty k how and I'll do it again tomorrow.

Speaker 2 (14:31):
Made the original comparison with Counselor Mackie from South Park
and it's pretty spot on.

Speaker 7 (14:36):
That's pretty accurate. But yeah, that would be fun.

Speaker 2 (14:39):
For instance, I have no doubts that just for example,
a Senator Barb Kirkmeyer would fare very well on policy
on issues in a debate with Michael Bennett. The problem there,
and I'm a very big fan of Barb, she decimated
in my view, Granted, I have a horse in the
race and I am biased to pull it. However on

(15:01):
nine News, and I believe, if I recall greatly, it
was definitely Kyle Clark here locally in Denver, and maybe
Marshall Sellinger participating in that one as well.

Speaker 7 (15:10):
Alternating questions.

Speaker 2 (15:11):
She debated Eujeri Caraveo the very first go around of
that new eighth congressional district that was awarded to Colorado
on the basis of the previous census in twenty twenty Caraveo,
it was a.

Speaker 7 (15:24):
Mismatch and she ended up winning.

Speaker 2 (15:26):
And I remember on that night, election night, it was
a very similar scenario to what we would see two
years later with Gabe Evans who was behind. But then
all of the Republicans came out of the woodwork friends
of mine like Valdemar Archiletta and then Representative Lauren Bober,
there were many others, and maybe you did this too,
helped go cure ballots for Gabe Evans in that eighth district,

(15:49):
which encompasses parts of Weld in Adams Counties, Weld being
more like US, Adams being not so much. And I
remember I texted Gabe on election night a couple.

Speaker 7 (16:00):
Of years ago.

Speaker 2 (16:03):
And I asked him, and do you think you've got
the votes out there still to win?

Speaker 7 (16:07):
And he said yes.

Speaker 2 (16:08):
He's a big math nerd like I am sometimes and
he ended up winning because of that effort. Barb was down,
I don't know, not that many a thousand votes somewhere
in that neighborhood, and I was texting with her, say hey,
you know, don't don't concede until you absolutely have to,
because once you do, then that's you.

Speaker 7 (16:26):
Dont want to do an al Gore here.

Speaker 2 (16:28):
But she also extremely smart when it comes to math statistics,
and she just didn't. Unlike Gabe a couple of years later,
she did not feel that the votes were out there.
She conceded, and that was a disappointing result, to be sure.
But I do believe coming back around doing the weave,
that Senator Kirkmeyer could more than hold her own.

Speaker 7 (16:46):
In a debate with Michael Bennett, situation room.

Speaker 2 (16:50):
Skiff says this text her potential classified information. I rest
my case much less about crimes with miners, more likely
an intelligence operation to get on powerful people that comes
from Brian. Brian, eliminate me further on this theory of
yours because I'm not ruling it out. I don't do
that out of hand. I'm not a conspiracy theorist. I

(17:10):
don't automatically jump to those conclusions. But you've seen just
as much as I have out there. You don't want
to rule anything out. I know Representative Bobert doesn't rule
anything out. Something is rotten in Denmark when it comes
to Jeffrey Epstein and why we're being slow played with
the release of these files whatever still out there.

Speaker 7 (17:30):
You know, I am just on the side of.

Speaker 2 (17:33):
Sunlight being the best disinfectant, and whoever this happens.

Speaker 7 (17:36):
To impact the let the chips fall where they may.

Speaker 2 (17:38):
If you agree, if you disagree five seven seven three nine,
you can send those texts along up next. Fifty years
since the Singing of the Edmund Fitzgerald and a good
friend of mine has written.

Speaker 7 (17:49):
A book about that.

Speaker 2 (17:50):
John You Bacon, our guest Karen the Dan Kaplis Show
coming up next. You're listening to the Dan Kaplis Show podcast.
November did come Early. It is the title of the
book by our next guest author, John You Bacon. Guy,

(18:13):
I go way back with during my days at Michigan
and covering the Wolverines and Spartans in the great state
of Michigan. He has written a lot about the history
of University of Michigan football. He's one of the best
writers that you'll find, and he's certainly the best writer
that I know and the perfect man for this task.

Speaker 7 (18:30):
Again.

Speaker 2 (18:30):
It is a bestseller on Amazon and on the New
York Times list. The Gales of November The Untold Story
of the Edmund Fitzgerald.

Speaker 8 (18:38):
John U.

Speaker 2 (18:38):
Bacon joins us, Sean, you thank you so much for
taking the time. Well, it's great to have you on
and people can find that book. It was released in October,
and of course the tenth of November marked the fiftieth
anniversary of the sinking of the Edmund Fitzgerald. Twenty nine
men perished this in Lake Superior above the Upper Peninsula

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of Michigan, my home state. John, You, what really motivated.

Speaker 7 (19:06):
You to write this book and where did that process
all begin?

Speaker 8 (19:12):
I'll tell you what we are. I mean, ever's fascinated
by the mystery of it, which is still not entirely solved,
although we get closer to it, I think in this book.
But what really drove me, Ryan, was not that was
the twenty nine men. I didn't know who they were,
to know their names, didn't know what their lives are
like on board, with their jobs are like with their
lives are like on shore, and their families. So it's
the people that really drove me the most to tell
the story.

Speaker 2 (19:33):
And it's such an important story to tell, John, I
think for the family members of the men who were lost,
and how personal that experience must have been in your
research doing this book, and I noticed that when you
did an appearance at the site of the sinking of
the Edmund Fitzgerald exactly on the fiftieth anniversary on the
tenth of November, you didn't want to sign the book

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there because you felt that would be inappropriate. Can you
take us through what those conversations have been like that
you've had with the family members of the men who
were lost.

Speaker 8 (20:03):
Well, great question, Ryan, Well, I got to fourteen of
the twenty nine families in some form or other, and
they're all willing to talk eventually about the experience, being
the wives and sons and the daughters, and the cousins
and the nephews, nieces and even a few of the
girls who are the girlfriends of these guys.

Speaker 7 (20:21):
And at first they.

Speaker 8 (20:22):
Are naturally cautious that you might imagine, but over time
we warm things up and they trust me with their stories,
and I feel very good about the final products. I
feel good about that. But as one of them told me,
when you lose your father when you're twelve years old,
you don't get over that. You get used to it.
And they're not the same and that has stayed with me.

Speaker 2 (20:42):
John you Bakon, author of The Gales of November, The
Untold Story of the Emen Fitzgerald. It sank almost exactly
fifty years ago to the day, back in nineteen seventy five.

Speaker 7 (20:52):
So John, you the challenge of this book. There are
multiple fronts for that.

Speaker 2 (20:55):
The emotional aspect that you just described, the family members
recounting their version of events that was such a painful
day for them in the aftermath of it. But then
also it has been fifty years since it happened. There
was little known about what actually happened on the ship,
because there were no survivors. But as best as you
can tell it for our listeners, especially younger ones that

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do not remember it happening, what went wrong that day.

Speaker 8 (21:20):
Whatever could have gone wrong, Ryan pretty much did go wrong.
And as one of my exits said John Tanner, who
was the superintendent of the Great Lakes Maritime Academy in
Traverse City, not too far from your old haunts, of course,
at Center and whatnot, They said, when a big ship
goes down, it's rarely one thing. It's a series of
factors that start building up over time, the weather, the

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design of the ship, mechanical malfunctions. That night's some decisions made.

Speaker 7 (21:46):
By the obviously the human element.

Speaker 8 (21:48):
And I think he's right in this case. And as
they also said, the domino start falling, watch out. So
that night you had the storm of the century, which
ultimately delivered one hundred mile per hour wins that's hurricane
force sixty foot waves where the M. Fitzgerald was. And
as one of my experts said, this ship found itself
in the exact wrong place at the exact wrong time.

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No one else was even within fifteen miles of this
one spot.

Speaker 1 (22:12):
That.

Speaker 8 (22:12):
Of course, the ship was designed to be very flexible,
maybe too flexible. It was probably overloaded. On top of that,
the long radar went out, the short radar went out.
The lighthouse at Whitefish Point that went out, So you're
basically flying sailing blind, and then they might have gone
over white a here called six fathom showal and fathom

(22:33):
is six feet, so that's thirty six feet. But actually
Ryan in some places it's only ten feet deep. So
you should be nowhere near this. But if you're a
sailing blind you can do it.

Speaker 7 (22:42):
And then he might have.

Speaker 8 (22:43):
I believe he probably did.

Speaker 2 (22:45):
John you Bacon, author of The Gales in November, The
Untold Story of the Edmund Fitzgerald joining us now all
these fifty years later with your exhaustive research, John you,
what can you tell us? And I'm sure it's highlighted
in the book. But what did you you find out
that we did not know before? What were those highlights?

Speaker 8 (23:04):
I'll say a few things. One he took the captain
took the northern route, which evere knows he did, and
that means you instead of going straight across the bottom
of this rectangle that is the lake. Basically he took
the top three sides of the square. It's a safe
way to go. It's a very cautious decision, but it
means that it takes forty more hours to get to
Whitefish Bay as when the storm beat him to home

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plate basically and was guarding it like a catcher.

Speaker 4 (23:28):
Essentially.

Speaker 8 (23:29):
That's one problem. He does not know it as well.
That's why it might have gone over six fathom shoal.
He takes the other route fifty times a year and
this route once every two or three years, so he
does not know it nearly as well, and that's a factor.
And then of course it's pay me now, pay me later.
The winds going across you avoid them the first two
legs of this trip by sticking near the shore, but
the last leg you're going to get hammered, and they did.

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I think also the question of going over right over
sorry six fathom shoal has been evated. I found four
guys that the investigator Dick Race, the best diver.

Speaker 2 (24:03):
On the Great Lakes.

Speaker 8 (24:04):
He dived the area six months after the accident in
spring of nineteen th eventy six. His report is buried somewhere,
and his report is buried somewhere in a box that
can't be found. But I found four witnesses to his conversations,
and all fours are the same thing that he found
the paint of the Emphis Gerald on six fathom shoal.

(24:26):
And that is not conclusive proof, but Ryan, that gets
a lot closer to it, because that guy was the
best in the business. So those two things I think
probably stand out.

Speaker 2 (24:35):
John, you Bacon, our guests, the author of this tremendous book,
and you can find it on Amazon or your favorite bookstore.
It's a bestseller there. And also the New York Times
No surprise here, the Gales of November, the untold story
of the Edmund Fitzgerald.

Speaker 7 (24:49):
So as we.

Speaker 2 (24:50):
Account for what happened on that day and all of
these in this perfect storm, I mean quite literally, they're
what happened, these factors coming together, John, In the aftermath
of that, were there maritime changes in terms of safety protocols,
how ships operated either in that area or anywhere else?
Or largely was the response, Hey, this was a once

(25:12):
in a generation, a once in a lifetime, one hundred
years event, and it's just something bad that.

Speaker 8 (25:16):
Happens the former, not the latter. And please report. Now,
the stunning sat Ryan is from eighteen seventy five to
nineteen seventy five, there were six thousand commercial shipwrecks on
the Great Lakes. Not rowboats, but big old freighters, cargo
ships and so on.

Speaker 7 (25:31):
That's a crazy number.

Speaker 8 (25:33):
That's one a week every week for a century. Thirty
thousand men lost during that stretch, one a day every
day for a century. So this is a ship that
was a golden boy of the Great Lakes, the best
tip of the Great Lakes, the best captain. When this
ship went down, it was like Titanic. It finally woke
up a complace industry like nine to eleven in our day.
Basically a lot of things changed after that. So the

(25:54):
reforms after that finally were instilled. As one of my
experts said, when do you fix anything broken? So since
then we have much better forecasting. They could have done
it that day. Of course, technology has also improved. Two,
much better communication of the forecast to those captains. They
were barely aware of the second storm coming up, so
that was a huge problem. And three, honestly, Ryan, just

(26:16):
good old plane common sense. I was up there last
year for the forty ninth anniversary. Sorry, and the next
day on White's Point, Remember eleventh, twenty twenty four, thirty
forty miles per hour, wins ten foot waves. Not nearly
as bad as they saw that night, of course, but
so pretty bad. Ryan, Every single ship was anchored in
Whitefish Bay that day, and I guarantee you that fifty

(26:39):
years earlier, not one of them would be so common
sense way to day Savior crew, Savior ship that is
finally kicked.

Speaker 2 (26:46):
In final question, John you Bacon, our guest author of
The Gales of November, about the sinking of the Memphis
Jerald fifty years ago. So, John, you you've been on
tour now meeting people signing the book, You've had interactions
with family, and we know the commercial success, it's the
best seller.

Speaker 7 (27:03):
Well, what has the reception.

Speaker 2 (27:04):
Been like from those in the know, the family members
of the men who perished, and just fans coming to
these events and talking to you.

Speaker 7 (27:10):
About the book?

Speaker 8 (27:12):
A great question. I now know a lot more than
I know a month ago about that, Ryan. I saw
the families just three days ago at Whitefish Point, and
they are thrilled with the book, and they're reliefed about
the book that finally their father's stories are getting out
the way they wanted them to get out.

Speaker 4 (27:26):
That feels good.

Speaker 7 (27:27):
What I'm hearing.

Speaker 8 (27:28):
From readers is that they are grateful to learn about
the people, and to that end, I think it might
explain why this book happens to be selling more with
women than with men. We did not expect that at all.
We were top five in the Pacific Northwest, top five
in the Rockies where you are, of course in New England,
and on Rolling Stone magazine when we accepted these stories

(27:51):
about the song, with a number one story on Rolling
Stone for two days. We did not expect that, Ryan,
because of course the day three is when Taylor Swift
sneezes or something, so that whenever we're lost, we didn't
hold it that long. I can't lie to you.

Speaker 7 (28:07):
Well, yeah have it.

Speaker 3 (28:08):
We did hal it, Yeah, you even had it.

Speaker 8 (28:11):
So the response has been broader and deeper than we
ever expected.

Speaker 2 (28:14):
The Gales of November, the untold story of the ed
Memphis Jerald. He's simply one of the best in the
business and the perfect man, as I stated, to write
this very book and tell this story, and like you said,
what a relief this must be for the family members
of the twenty nine men who perished on that day,
almost exactly fifty years ago. John You Bacon, great catching
up with you, my man. Thank you so much for
your time and great job with the book.

Speaker 8 (28:36):
Ryan, thank you anytime. You can find out more on
John youwbacon dot com, including how.

Speaker 2 (28:40):
To order it, John Youbacon dot com. Find out more there,
and of course you can order it on Amazon, your
favorite bookstore. You can go there and find it interesting
to hear him describe that it's the top five best
seller in all these different regions of the country, the Pacific, Northwest,
New England, and right here in the Rocky Mountains. So
get your edition today, The Gales of November, the untold
story of the ined mif Fitzgerald. And so grateful for

(29:03):
John you Bacon's time. He truly is a prolific writer
in dedicating his time, his resources and research to this
very special project. And for those of you who remember,
for those of you who know about the sinking of
the m. Fitzgerald, that was quite a moment in time
and a sad moment.

Speaker 7 (29:19):
In our history.

Speaker 2 (29:20):
A time out, wrapping up your text five seven seven
three nine, Ryan Schuling filling in in this final hour
the Dan kampla show on this.

Speaker 7 (29:26):
Thursday, and we're back after this and now back to
the Dan Kaplas Show podcast.

Speaker 9 (29:38):
Appeared to be in something of a full court press
to try and stop the discharge petition from working. Sources
are telling CNN the top Trump administration officials held a
meeting on this issue, not just at the White House,
but in the Situation Room. According to multiple sources, the
meeting was said to have included the Attorney General Pam Bondi,

(30:00):
the Deputy Attorney General Todd Blanche, FBI director Cash Battel,
and Republican Congresswoman Lauren Bobert of Colorado. Bobert is one
of the four Republican members of the House who has
signed the petition.

Speaker 2 (30:16):
The breathless reporting of Cake Tapper, CNN and Kyle Clark
joining in the Fray nine News giving Lauren Bobert to
praise for standing up to President Trump. But I don't
want to say this is much ado about nothing. But
what's interesting is there were two separate conversations. One that
I had with Lauren Bolbert earlier on my program, which
she plugged since yours truly is filling in for Dan

(30:38):
Kaplis for this second hour.

Speaker 7 (30:40):
You can listen to Weekdays.

Speaker 2 (30:42):
Six point thirty k out here locally in Denver, Ryan
Schuling Live or on the iHeart app. If you're listening
right now Fort Collins Playblow. I invite you to join
me for that, and then the podcasts are posted thereafter.
But my interview with Lauren took on a certain hue,
and then Dan had totally different questions for Representative Bobert

(31:02):
and she joined him in our one today.

Speaker 7 (31:04):
So if you missed either.

Speaker 2 (31:05):
One of those, I invite you to check that out
on your favorite podcast platform. But what it boils down
to for me is this Lauren in particular on this issue,
but just in general.

Speaker 7 (31:15):
She's a woman of.

Speaker 2 (31:16):
Great integrity in terms of where she stands on issues,
as she's consistent, she doesn't.

Speaker 7 (31:21):
Waiver her and she does a waffle.

Speaker 2 (31:23):
And I have spoken with her about this both off
air and on private conversations via text and during interviews
during segments. She's been resolute like me in that these
names need to cut into light if there are any
I'm talking about the perpetrators here, not the victims. Obviously,
you protect the identities of the victims. But what Lauren
told me is that many of these victims don't mind

(31:47):
if their names are publicized, that they're over the shame
of that. There's no guilt, they didn't do anything wrong.
There are victims in this and much like the Larry
Nasser victims I covered during that scandal during my time
in Lansing, Michigan, many of these victims want to come forward,
have come forward. Lauren's been there for them, she has
met with them. And the one request that she made

(32:08):
of the Trump administration and this skiff in this meeting
was that they arranged to meet with the victims of
Jeffrey Epstein themselves. And that is noble, that is great,
and that's why I'm such a big fan of Representative Obert.
And that goes to this text five seven seven three
nine from Donna Ryan. I agree, let the chips land
where they may. You rock, Well, you rock, Donna, And yeah,

(32:31):
there is no shame in my game, nor should there
be for the victims, nor should there be for Representative Bobert.

Speaker 7 (32:37):
I don't know why the dragging of the feet on this.

Speaker 2 (32:40):
It bothers me, it does. I don't think President Trump
has anything to hide. I don't believe that he did
anything wrong. Now there might be friends of his, and
maybe they shouldn't be friends of his, but that's for
I guess other people to comment on. That might be
implicated or embarrassed. So what so what if you even
had a handshake with Epstein? And there's photos of Trump
with Epstein way way, way long ago. But the moment

(33:03):
that he recognized that Jeffrey Epstein was poaching young girls
who were working for Trump at mar A Lago one,
he game a stern warning knock it off, didn't do it,
banned him, banned Jeffrey Epstein from mar A Lago. Donald Trump,
according to any individual account from Virginia Jeffrey to anybody else,

(33:23):
did nothing wrong with the women, the victims in question.
And in fact, there was a lawyer who said he
is the one public figure who cooperated fully with the investigation,
offering any information that investigators or that lawyers wanted to know.
So why would he do that if he had anything
to hide? The answer is he doesn't. But why they

(33:44):
are kind of slow pedaling, soft pedaling this release of information.
They've given up excuses, and I'm just not really buying
into those anymore. And I support Lauren Bobert and representative
for what she has done. This from the real rauph
To close out my own PSA, there's a skin model
of the Edmund Fitzgerald at the Model Road Museum in Greeley,
which in and of itself is a treat to visit.

Speaker 7 (34:06):
I'll need to do that, Ralph. Tune in tomorrow for
more of the Dan Camplas show.