April 25, 2025 • 31 mins
This week, Latino USA shares episode 2 of Suave: Season 2.
Suave can’t drink. He can’t smoke weed. He can’t travel. He can’t visit old prison friends, or basically have any interaction with the police. And that’s because even though he’s free, he’s on parole for a lifetime. In other words, he’s just serving his prison sentence on the outside. Sometimes all these rules make Suave ask himself, “Will I ever really be free?”
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Speaker 1 (00:04):
From Futro Media and PRX. It's Latino USA. I'm Mariano Rosa.
Today a preview of the second episode of season two
of our Bulletzer Prize winning podcast Suave. Well, Dear listener,
(00:29):
it's been seven years since the release of David Luis
Suave Gonzalez from a maximum security prison. Suave had been
sentenced to life without parole as a teenager. But you
might remember we were there when Suave finally walked out
of prison seven years ago. Now, Suave is navigating life
(00:52):
as a freeman and dealing with all of the feelings
and pressure that comes with it, because starting over is
complicated and on the outside, life can come at you
dangerously fast. This season, we're gonna go deep into Suave's
quest to define what freedom really means for him. Ririeta
(01:14):
Martinelli is the host of Suavest season two, and she's
gonna guide us through this journey. And just a warning,
dear listener, this episode contained some strong language.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
Sometimes I do think that I was better off locked up,
and that's hard to say, but it's the truth.
Speaker 3 (01:42):
You know, it's the truth, man, And whoever.
Speaker 2 (01:45):
Been locked up thirty one years or more and tell
you otherwise it's Lyne dayline.
Speaker 3 (01:54):
I'm still living. I still live like I'm in prison.
Speaker 2 (01:58):
Like locked up, like I'm in my father fucking jail set.
You know, that's the scary part for me, because I
haven't been able to shake it off. Shit another day
(02:18):
in this world. Five o'clock in the morning, just cutting up. Bella, Bella,
I'm gonna whip your ass.
Speaker 4 (02:32):
Bella Suave, formerly one of the hardest guys on the
block at Greater for Prison, now a doting cat.
Speaker 3 (02:41):
Dat man.
Speaker 2 (02:43):
Bella just snuck in the bed and chucked in under
my arms when I was sleeping, got hair all over
my black sheets.
Speaker 1 (02:52):
And this cat, she's got an adorable wardrobe of yes,
pink dresses.
Speaker 2 (02:59):
I get her these little warm outfits. I think it's
so cute. I don't think Bella understands she's a girl,
so I put pink onhot to let her know, Like,
look at yourself in the mirror, you are a girl.
Speaker 3 (03:10):
Bella.
Speaker 4 (03:11):
Swabe's studio apartment is pretty tiny, but after decades in
a small cell, Swabi says it felt kind of palatial
when he moved in. He calls his apartment a.
Speaker 2 (03:24):
Hard class prison cell. I don't need a whole lot.
It's better than a house for.
Speaker 4 (03:29):
Me, unlike a prison cell.
Speaker 3 (03:37):
Though.
Speaker 4 (03:38):
There's a big fluffy bed here. Also, it's kind of
Bella's bed. But after sleeping on a three inch mattress
over a metal slab for three decades, he can't really
get comfortable on this bed sometimes.
Speaker 2 (03:54):
And you know, I don't even tell people this, but
sometimes I just take a sheet or quilt, put it
on the floor and lay on the floor.
Speaker 4 (04:02):
It turns out it's harder than it seems to break
some prison habits.
Speaker 3 (04:07):
In prison, you got.
Speaker 2 (04:08):
To get up and the gul walk around and make
sure you physically there. They blow a boohall like ten
minutes before they come around. Count Ton, Count Tom. That's
what they would yell every morning. At home. It's almost
the same thing. I get up Bella and be all
content together.
Speaker 1 (04:32):
You know, I always worry about suavez sleeping situation. It's
kind of weird. It's one of the things that I'm like,
is he sleeping? And lately he's been telling me that
he's sleeping even less, and you know, he he jokes
about it. Actually he's I think he's kind of like
showing off because you know, he's working a bunch of
jobs and there's always something going on and.
Speaker 3 (04:53):
It's a thing.
Speaker 4 (04:55):
And Maria, you've offered him some advice that has helped
you sleep.
Speaker 1 (04:59):
I worry because you're like, I've been up all night,
haven't slept, and I do have some cannabis bills that
will knock you out.
Speaker 3 (05:08):
Well.
Speaker 2 (05:08):
I appreciate the cannabis, right, but also I just want
to make you aware and the whole team that if
I do take some cannabis, whether it's medically or not,
you are like saying we see you in about six months,
because that's like a direct violation for parole.
Speaker 3 (05:25):
Shit. I'm sorry, and so I would stay away from
that one.
Speaker 1 (05:30):
Damn bro.
Speaker 4 (05:39):
From Futura Studios. This is Suave. I'm Julie de Martinelli.
In twenty seventeen, David Luis Swave Gonzalez was released from
prison after thirty one years serving a life sentence without parole.
He was one of thousands of juvenile lifers granted a
second chance at This is a story about life after
(06:03):
incarceration and the search for the true meaning of freedom.
This is season two. On this episode the Long Shadow
of Parole.
Speaker 1 (06:19):
So you know, ju I don't know if this happens
to you, but at this point, I've been checking in
with Swavee basically weekly, if not multiple times a week
for years now, and you know, it's like, you can
forget that this guy is still essentially governed by a
very strict set of rules that keep him tethered like emotionally, psychologically,
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spiritually to this prison past. And you know, it's bigger
than sleeping on the floor or waking up for count time.
I mean, it's it's deep.
Speaker 4 (06:50):
You're right, because seven years out, Suave is still on
parole and he will be forever. And that's because he
has lifetime parole. And that means.
Speaker 2 (07:01):
Basically, you're still incarcerated. You're just serving your time out
in society.
Speaker 1 (07:07):
The thing is is that even though Suave is free
on parole, he still technically has a life sentence, but
he just gets to serve it on the outside.
Speaker 4 (07:18):
Yeah, and he can be so nonchalant about it, I mean,
but the reality still is that freedom is a privilege
for Suave, and that privilege can be taken away pretty
much for anything.
Speaker 1 (07:28):
Yeah, So we asked him to actually list some of
the rules that he has to follow forever.
Speaker 3 (07:36):
I can't travel without permission.
Speaker 2 (07:39):
I can't move from one house to another house without
asking permission.
Speaker 1 (07:44):
You really can't have any interaction with the police.
Speaker 2 (07:47):
I can't be around certain people. I can't go to
certain establishment.
Speaker 4 (07:52):
Right, so he's banned forever from visiting anyone in prison
that he was incarcerated with, even if it's family.
Speaker 3 (08:00):
I can't drink.
Speaker 2 (08:02):
I cannot smoke a little bit of weed or smoke
me a Philly blunt.
Speaker 1 (08:06):
And that's even though alcohol is legal for any adult
and that weed has been decriminalized in Philly, but not
for Swave.
Speaker 2 (08:15):
Can't do that because if they take the or and
come up hot as a volidation.
Speaker 1 (08:20):
Oh yeah, Also, he has to pay them for this privilege.
Speaker 2 (08:26):
You paying the parole bull a monthly fee to supervise
you for what.
Speaker 1 (08:34):
For someone on the outside, just imagining living with all
of these rules, it sounds entirely crazy. Swave has to
be perfect one hundred percent of the time because guaiget
Go si that any little thing can literally change the
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course of his life in an instant.
Speaker 4 (08:57):
Yeah. That means that even the most monday of things
that you and I never think of in our daily
life can become really really scary for Suave.
Speaker 2 (09:14):
Today is probably the first time I take my card
out in six months out to a drive. I'm fucking nervous.
I'm shaking, I get anxiety.
Speaker 4 (09:26):
It's a weekday and Swave usually takes the Septa bus
to get to work at Community College of Philadelphia, but
today he's got so many errands it's just not feasible
to take the bus.
Speaker 2 (09:39):
For a lot of people, driving is something they look
forward to doing.
Speaker 3 (09:45):
Not me, not me.
Speaker 2 (09:47):
I hate fucking driving. I hate it. I don't know
how to deal with my anxiety. When I'm behind the
will my anxiety take over to the point where I
just want to crash the car somewhere and stop and
get out and leave it running.
Speaker 3 (10:01):
So I just don't drive. I just don't drive.
Speaker 4 (10:05):
It's a sunny day and Suave is writing in his
gray Hyundai. He's wearing a gray suit with a black
shirt underneath. He's sitting close to the wheel and he's
holding it pretty tight.
Speaker 2 (10:17):
I am really, really, really afraid to get stopped by
the police. The minute they stop you and they find
out you on parole, you're getting handcuffed. Now your car
getting searched, and if you don't report that traffic stop
to parole. It's a violation of your conditions and that
could lock you up.
Speaker 4 (10:38):
The anxiety is so bad that Swave ends up asking
a friend to drive him home that night. But there
is some hope for the future. Technically, there is some
legal recourse that could allow Suave to get off of
lifetime parole, even if it's kind of a long shot.
Speaker 2 (10:57):
We gotta file for complete commotation from the parting board.
Speaker 4 (11:03):
Commutation just means that the remaining term of his sentence
is completely forgiven. But it's not easy to get.
Speaker 3 (11:11):
It's almost like hitting the lottery.
Speaker 2 (11:13):
You got to have the Attorney General's vote and then
unanimous vote basically before it gets to the governor's office,
and then he got to consider it.
Speaker 1 (11:22):
Like not easy at all.
Speaker 4 (11:27):
The Board of Pardons doesn't state just how long after
a conviction they'll consider a pardon. They just mentioned that
they do consider the length of time. But a report
by the Community Legal Services of Philadelphia, who work with
clients that are going through this process, confirms that the
majority of people who are successful have been out of
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prison for about five to ten years, depending on the offense.
Speaker 3 (11:53):
I'm coming up by my seven years in November.
Speaker 4 (11:56):
It might be impossible, but maybe us, maybe would that
feel like true freedom?
Speaker 3 (12:11):
We have to do that.
Speaker 1 (12:13):
Good afternoon, God, I haven't talked to you in a
long time, man.
Speaker 3 (12:17):
Three years to talk all the time.
Speaker 2 (12:20):
Listen, I'm gonna tell you I don't laugh at this
fleet it was you could laugh.
Speaker 1 (12:26):
So on this Sunday afternoon, Save calls me like he
usually does, and he tells me about his weekend. Tells
me that he was hanging out with a group of
guys that he knew from prison. That they showed up
to his place for a barbecue, and you know, these
are guys that he used to be locked up with.
Speaker 2 (12:42):
So we started off sinking karaoke with Lavo and we
had a we had a food drink.
Speaker 4 (12:47):
Oh no that, Oh no, why did you say that?
Speaker 3 (12:51):
Maria?
Speaker 1 (12:52):
At that moment, I'm like, no, no, no, no, no,
because you know you can't be drinking. And then I'm
all like, oh my god, what happens if Perole calls
him right now at this precise moment. But you know
the good news is that the story didn't end up
going in that direction.
Speaker 3 (13:06):
And guess what's song we end up singing? Manulo sue what.
Speaker 2 (13:10):
They helped me more, I swear to God.
Speaker 1 (13:14):
And then he tells me that like one of his
friends had her phone out at that moment and then
she recorded.
Speaker 3 (13:19):
Me dancing to Mark Anthony Dan I was drunk.
Speaker 1 (13:28):
Oh my God's right. I can't believe you got drunk.
I can't believe you got drunk. Actually, I've never seen drunk.
Speaker 2 (13:34):
Sat.
Speaker 3 (13:36):
I really enjoyed.
Speaker 2 (13:38):
I'm having two or three of my friends that we've
done time with. You know, my friend says something to me.
He's like, damn, we walked the first in yard together
for decades and now we're sitting in your.
Speaker 1 (13:52):
Backyard drinking the head and eating burned.
Speaker 2 (13:56):
Hot dogs, and they paste sue it.
Speaker 1 (14:01):
You know, it was really sweet just hearing Suavit tell
this story with so much joy and happiness.
Speaker 4 (14:09):
But Swaba doesn't always enjoy getting together with his prison friends.
Part of it is parole and it can be risky
to be around people that are drinking or smoking wheat
around you. But that's not really it. It's because it
can get complicated for him emotionally.
Speaker 2 (14:27):
I don't have the desire to meet with guys that
I did thirty forty.
Speaker 4 (14:31):
Years after telling me that Swave sits with this thought
for a minute, then he backtracks. It's not about not
wanting to see the guys, but.
Speaker 2 (14:43):
A lot of it has to do with y'all not
on parole. I'm on parole. It's like a reality check, like, Bro,
you really not free. Bro, You're really not free.
Speaker 3 (14:54):
You're just alone for the ride.
Speaker 4 (14:58):
So former joy know lifers like Suavet they're all on parole.
But most people who go to prison, they're going for
shorter terms, so they're actually coming out with a clean
slate after their sentence. And many of Swave's prison buddies
don't really have to worry about parole. After decades of
supporting each other in prison, the rules that guy, their
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lives are now very different.
Speaker 1 (15:24):
Yeah, I mean. Swabet tells me that he's starting to
find it harder and harder to relate and that for
a long time these were the only people in his
life who could really understand him. But it's changing.
Speaker 2 (15:40):
Sometimes it feels like, wow, damn, man, I deserve that
chance more than you. I get that feeling sometimes like
you got a chance and you ain't doing shit with it.
Speaker 3 (15:49):
Man, I deserve that chance more than you.
Speaker 4 (15:57):
It sounds harsh, but what does it feel like to
know the people on the outside can't ever really understand
how you feel? And then Swabi's prison friends, who are
supposed to understand, well, they're moving on themselves.
Speaker 2 (16:14):
Sometimes if oh, man, while is I'm saying this on
tape man.
Speaker 3 (16:22):
But sometimes it just feels.
Speaker 2 (16:28):
It just feel like, damn, I'm fucking jealous, like the fuck.
Speaker 4 (17:01):
In January, I meet up with Swave in Atlanta, where
I live. Swab is in town to speak at a
criminal justice reform conference. Over the last five years that
I've been producing Suave, I've gone to Philly a lot,
but we never really hung out in my turf. So
we are in front of a waffle house right in
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front of Centennial Olympic Park.
Speaker 3 (17:25):
It's Alana. I love it down here.
Speaker 4 (17:28):
And while he's in town, we've been invited to an
artist showcase at the infamous Stanconia Studios. Suaves seems really excited.
Speaker 1 (17:37):
Okay, So I know I'm supposed to know what Stankonia
Studios is, but I don't, So what is it.
Speaker 4 (17:45):
Stanconia is the most Atlanta of all Atlanta places. I mean,
it's just this legendary studio where Outcasts recorded a bunch
of classics. Honestly, it's pretty iconic, Maria. Everyone from TLC
to TI to Ludacris have recorded there.
Speaker 1 (18:04):
Oh my god. So like Suave a big hip hop head.
I mean, he's just got to be like, wait, what
I get to go to this studio?
Speaker 4 (18:13):
Yeah, he was, you know. And anyway, so we decided
to meet there, and that night, as I'm getting ready
to head out, Swavic just suddenly stops responding to all
my phone calls. Your call has been forwarded to an
automatic voice message. So the next day I finally hear
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back from him, and it turns out he did go,
but he was out of there so fast, and he
just didn't know how to explain it to me, so
he just ignored my calls. So I ask him why,
I mean, like, what's up? What happened? We had all
these plans and then he just left me hanging.
Speaker 2 (18:51):
We go through the Dog and you like in this
space hogh stage, Spaceship Smoke DJ. It was like going
into an outcast rack video, like for real, it was
like being in a video.
Speaker 3 (19:10):
But then the.
Speaker 2 (19:11):
Crowd, the energy, it's like WHOA. I met with my
friend's friend he's you know what's up, bro?
Speaker 3 (19:19):
You good?
Speaker 2 (19:19):
You know you with me? But I see the budge
in his waistline like I'm like, shit, everybody in here
has a gun.
Speaker 4 (19:33):
And the thing is, you know a lot of people
in Atlanta carry a gun. It's kind of become normal
for me. You know, open carry is legal here in Georgia.
So I had never really considered that Swaven might find
it risky or even like upsetting until this moment.
Speaker 2 (19:50):
If somebody bump in to me, I got to be
the one that bitch up and be like, oh my bad,
you know, because I'm probably the only one did not packing.
You get liud with somebody, you might get shot, seriously,
So I'm like, no, I'm cool, I'm out. I don't
like being in them places where I feel defenseless.
Speaker 4 (20:09):
And of course he has to think about his lifetime.
Speaker 2 (20:12):
Parole something jump off, dude, what was you even doing
in that he room.
Speaker 3 (20:17):
That's the first thing that parole won't say.
Speaker 1 (20:19):
The thing is Ripe is right. Anything going sideways here
could land him back in prison.
Speaker 3 (20:24):
So better just to get out of there.
Speaker 2 (20:27):
You know, I'm not hanging with little ray Red and
Raheem from not the block, I'm not now. When I
came home, I wanted it. I've wanted that seventeen year
old life. I wanted what I missed when I went
to jail, minus standing in the corner.
Speaker 3 (20:43):
But I like, I liked that shit. I like that smoke.
Speaker 2 (20:45):
I like I like that irving excitement where I could
be in the corner and hit gun shots. And but
I'm not involved with it. But I like that shit,
you know I still do.
Speaker 4 (20:57):
I mean, think about what he said about the guns.
Before he went to prison. He used to be one
of these guys, packing, talking, bold, just fearless, you know
how he is. But now he really can't be that
way anymore. The risk is too big. So it's interesting
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and also even a little confusing. Swabe has to live
by all these rules, but he also pushes back on
them regularly.
Speaker 2 (21:26):
Somebody might say, well, that's a dangerous game. They could
violate you truth. Those are the consequences that come with
you making certain actions. Man, So I do a lot
of stuff that I'm not supposed to do, only because
I want to feel human.
Speaker 1 (21:40):
When he says this, like, it really does click for me. Yeah,
We're like, it's always this balance, right of how we
live out there in the world. And in some ways,
I kind of think that we've gotten a little comfortable
with the risks that Suave takes. I mean, the thing
or not paying his parole fees on time, and it's
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kind of like, haha, you know, move on, ha ha.
But the reality is that Suave is doing constant risk assessment,
deciding how much to break the rules, when and where,
how much can he live with, and how much of
this actually gives him life. And for me, it's always like, yo, bro,
why why take that risk? And you can see Suave
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is struggling. And you know, I think about his past.
Is he a rule follower?
Speaker 4 (22:31):
No?
Speaker 1 (22:32):
I mean absolutely not. That has not been his identity.
And I can see he's feeling this disconnect between his
new friends and his old friends, his new life and
his old life. He's somewhere in the middle wrestling with
this new identity.
Speaker 4 (23:01):
Later that day, in Atlanta, Swabe and I sit across
from each other at the hotel lobby. He's wearing a
cream hoodie with a pair of matching Joggers cream and
mint green sneakers, and of course a Yankee sat and
he tells me a story about a friend from inside
who just got out of prison.
Speaker 3 (23:21):
A couple of days ago. My homie just came home.
Speaker 4 (23:25):
He was able to work out or release without lifetime parole.
Speaker 2 (23:29):
This dude was like, my brother got him a job.
He told me straight up, I'm not going to work
for them. No, you know, oh, they're not paying me enough.
And you know, I left the conversation there because the
that is like my brother, right, But.
Speaker 4 (23:45):
Then the conversation went into some pretty interesting territory.
Speaker 2 (23:50):
But then I'm thinking, like he had no restrictions, he
had no parole, so he freed to go anywhere he
wanted to go. That's dangerous. The why it's dangerous because
he could say I.
Speaker 3 (24:06):
Don't want to work no way you said.
Speaker 4 (24:08):
He came home. He's not on parole. That's dangerous. That
really caught my ear.
Speaker 3 (24:13):
It's dangerous.
Speaker 4 (24:14):
Oh that's a loaded sentence. I want to talk a
little more about that because we've been talking about, you know,
how to get you off like in parole.
Speaker 2 (24:21):
And see what I mean, I keep telling you I'm institutionalized, right,
And what I mean my institutional lives.
Speaker 3 (24:30):
I do things and patterns a b C.
Speaker 2 (24:33):
I can't do things with A and then see, because
I'm like, what happened to be?
Speaker 3 (24:37):
What was? B?
Speaker 2 (24:38):
What I was supposed to do? And B that's because
I'm institutionalized. When you not on parole, you can say cool,
I'm gonna sleep all day and then tomorrow he smoking
the weed.
Speaker 3 (24:52):
I can't do that shit.
Speaker 4 (24:53):
So what if you had to come home without parole?
Are you saying that you wouldn't be in that You
would be no worse position. I'm really serious about this.
Speaker 2 (25:00):
Yeah, probably would have been in a fucked up predictament
because I like to do fucked up shit.
Speaker 4 (25:15):
For so long, Swabe has talked about parole as something
getting in the way of his ability to succeed and
feeling truly free. Another hurdle, another tide of the past.
Speaker 1 (25:26):
But this time Suave is saying that maybe, in some
ways it's actually parole that has led him to a
lot of the good things about his life right now.
Speaker 4 (25:34):
And you know, that's kind of a complicated concept for
me to grasp in that moment. I haven't never heard
you say this. This is really shocking for me.
Speaker 2 (25:43):
No, it is.
Speaker 3 (25:43):
You know, you have to be true with yourself.
Speaker 4 (25:46):
I have to ask you, is there a part of
you that maybe fears getting off of lifetime parole. Let's
be real.
Speaker 3 (25:57):
No, no, no, I don't fear.
Speaker 4 (26:01):
Maybe Okay, so maybe fears not the word. But is
there a part of you that maybe feels like it's
a little safer in this moment for now to stay
on lifetime Pero.
Speaker 2 (26:12):
I wouldn't say it's safer. I say it's more structure.
That's fair to say that. I gotta have structure. I
can't be like free to go, just do what you see,
what you think is best.
Speaker 3 (26:26):
It's not gonna.
Speaker 2 (26:26):
Work, and it won't work from it because I know,
and I really I hate to say this on tape, man,
but it's the truth. Like I know that if I
didn't have that safety that work to row, I don't know,
I probably be in some other shit, man, because because
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I'm really emotional and I like to act on those emotions.
And I realized that nobody got to tell me that.
Speaker 3 (26:57):
So it's like a balance. It's like a balance. We're
keeping you safe.
Speaker 4 (27:01):
Bro. Swabe found a way to free himself from his cage,
only to find himself trapped in a completely new one.
As long as he's on parole, he'll never be able
to just do what he wants, take a spontaneous trip
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drive without looking over his shoulder, even take a little
weed gummy for sleep. But what does it mean for
Suave that this new cage is also kind of a
safety net? Is total freedom what he really desires after all,
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all those years in a jail cell, many of them
in solitary confinement. I mean, it has to change you
pretty profoundly. And one of the hardest things for Suaves
since getting out is navigating relationships.
Speaker 3 (28:00):
When it comes to friends. I don't even know what
that is. I come from a place where there is
no friends.
Speaker 1 (28:06):
How is it that I became the mother figure in
your fucking life? Because that's not what I want to be. Well,
you know what, No, No, I don't know.
Speaker 3 (28:13):
People don't know.
Speaker 4 (28:13):
Yeah, yeah, they.
Speaker 3 (28:15):
Throw it in your face.
Speaker 4 (28:18):
That's next time on Swave.
Speaker 1 (28:33):
My thanks to Julieta Martinelli for hosting this episode with me.
What you just heard, Dear Listener is the second episode
of the Suave Podcast season two. It's a rollercoaster of
an incredible story about the very long shadow of prison.
So I highly recommend you go and listen to it
wherever you get your podcasts. Just find Swavee the podcast
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and if you want to listen to all of the
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Today a preview of the second episode of season two
of our Bulletzer Prize winning podcast Suave. Well, Dear listener,
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it's been seven years since the release of David Luis
Suave Gonzalez from a maximum security prison. Suave had been
sentenced to life without parole as a teenager. But you
might remember we were there when Suave finally walked out
of prison seven years ago. Now, Suave is navigating life
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as a freeman and dealing with all of the feelings
and pressure that comes with it, because starting over is
complicated and on the outside, life can come at you
dangerously fast. This season, we're gonna go deep into Suave's
quest to define what freedom really means for him. Ririeta
(01:14):
Martinelli is the host of Suavest season two, and she's
gonna guide us through this journey. And just a warning,
dear listener, this episode contained some strong language.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
Sometimes I do think that I was better off locked up,
and that's hard to say, but it's the truth.
Speaker 3 (01:42):
You know, it's the truth, man, And whoever.
Speaker 2 (01:45):
Been locked up thirty one years or more and tell
you otherwise it's Lyne dayline.
Speaker 3 (01:54):
I'm still living. I still live like I'm in prison.
Speaker 2 (01:58):
Like locked up, like I'm in my father fucking jail set.
You know, that's the scary part for me, because I
haven't been able to shake it off. Shit another day
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in this world. Five o'clock in the morning, just cutting up. Bella, Bella,
I'm gonna whip your ass.
Speaker 4 (02:32):
Bella Suave, formerly one of the hardest guys on the
block at Greater for Prison, now a doting cat.
Speaker 3 (02:41):
Dat man.
Speaker 2 (02:43):
Bella just snuck in the bed and chucked in under
my arms when I was sleeping, got hair all over
my black sheets.
Speaker 1 (02:52):
And this cat, she's got an adorable wardrobe of yes,
pink dresses.
Speaker 2 (02:59):
I get her these little warm outfits. I think it's
so cute. I don't think Bella understands she's a girl,
so I put pink onhot to let her know, Like,
look at yourself in the mirror, you are a girl.
Speaker 3 (03:10):
Bella.
Speaker 4 (03:11):
Swabe's studio apartment is pretty tiny, but after decades in
a small cell, Swabi says it felt kind of palatial
when he moved in. He calls his apartment a.
Speaker 2 (03:24):
Hard class prison cell. I don't need a whole lot.
It's better than a house for.
Speaker 4 (03:29):
Me, unlike a prison cell.
Speaker 3 (03:37):
Though.
Speaker 4 (03:38):
There's a big fluffy bed here. Also, it's kind of
Bella's bed. But after sleeping on a three inch mattress
over a metal slab for three decades, he can't really
get comfortable on this bed sometimes.
Speaker 2 (03:54):
And you know, I don't even tell people this, but
sometimes I just take a sheet or quilt, put it
on the floor and lay on the floor.
Speaker 4 (04:02):
It turns out it's harder than it seems to break
some prison habits.
Speaker 3 (04:07):
In prison, you got.
Speaker 2 (04:08):
To get up and the gul walk around and make
sure you physically there. They blow a boohall like ten
minutes before they come around. Count Ton, Count Tom. That's
what they would yell every morning. At home. It's almost
the same thing. I get up Bella and be all
content together.
Speaker 1 (04:32):
You know, I always worry about suavez sleeping situation. It's
kind of weird. It's one of the things that I'm like,
is he sleeping? And lately he's been telling me that
he's sleeping even less, and you know, he he jokes
about it. Actually he's I think he's kind of like
showing off because you know, he's working a bunch of
jobs and there's always something going on and.
Speaker 3 (04:53):
It's a thing.
Speaker 4 (04:55):
And Maria, you've offered him some advice that has helped
you sleep.
Speaker 1 (04:59):
I worry because you're like, I've been up all night,
haven't slept, and I do have some cannabis bills that
will knock you out.
Speaker 3 (05:08):
Well.
Speaker 2 (05:08):
I appreciate the cannabis, right, but also I just want
to make you aware and the whole team that if
I do take some cannabis, whether it's medically or not,
you are like saying we see you in about six months,
because that's like a direct violation for parole.
Speaker 3 (05:25):
Shit. I'm sorry, and so I would stay away from
that one.
Speaker 1 (05:30):
Damn bro.
Speaker 4 (05:39):
From Futura Studios. This is Suave. I'm Julie de Martinelli.
In twenty seventeen, David Luis Swave Gonzalez was released from
prison after thirty one years serving a life sentence without parole.
He was one of thousands of juvenile lifers granted a
second chance at This is a story about life after
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incarceration and the search for the true meaning of freedom.
This is season two. On this episode the Long Shadow
of Parole.
Speaker 1 (06:19):
So you know, ju I don't know if this happens
to you, but at this point, I've been checking in
with Swavee basically weekly, if not multiple times a week
for years now, and you know, it's like, you can
forget that this guy is still essentially governed by a
very strict set of rules that keep him tethered like emotionally, psychologically,
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spiritually to this prison past. And you know, it's bigger
than sleeping on the floor or waking up for count time.
I mean, it's it's deep.
Speaker 4 (06:50):
You're right, because seven years out, Suave is still on
parole and he will be forever. And that's because he
has lifetime parole. And that means.
Speaker 2 (07:01):
Basically, you're still incarcerated. You're just serving your time out
in society.
Speaker 1 (07:07):
The thing is is that even though Suave is free
on parole, he still technically has a life sentence, but
he just gets to serve it on the outside.
Speaker 4 (07:18):
Yeah, and he can be so nonchalant about it, I mean,
but the reality still is that freedom is a privilege
for Suave, and that privilege can be taken away pretty
much for anything.
Speaker 1 (07:28):
Yeah, So we asked him to actually list some of
the rules that he has to follow forever.
Speaker 3 (07:36):
I can't travel without permission.
Speaker 2 (07:39):
I can't move from one house to another house without
asking permission.
Speaker 1 (07:44):
You really can't have any interaction with the police.
Speaker 2 (07:47):
I can't be around certain people. I can't go to
certain establishment.
Speaker 4 (07:52):
Right, so he's banned forever from visiting anyone in prison
that he was incarcerated with, even if it's family.
Speaker 3 (08:00):
I can't drink.
Speaker 2 (08:02):
I cannot smoke a little bit of weed or smoke
me a Philly blunt.
Speaker 1 (08:06):
And that's even though alcohol is legal for any adult
and that weed has been decriminalized in Philly, but not
for Swave.
Speaker 2 (08:15):
Can't do that because if they take the or and
come up hot as a volidation.
Speaker 1 (08:20):
Oh yeah, Also, he has to pay them for this privilege.
Speaker 2 (08:26):
You paying the parole bull a monthly fee to supervise
you for what.
Speaker 1 (08:34):
For someone on the outside, just imagining living with all
of these rules, it sounds entirely crazy. Swave has to
be perfect one hundred percent of the time because guaiget
Go si that any little thing can literally change the
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course of his life in an instant.
Speaker 4 (08:57):
Yeah. That means that even the most monday of things
that you and I never think of in our daily
life can become really really scary for Suave.
Speaker 2 (09:14):
Today is probably the first time I take my card
out in six months out to a drive. I'm fucking nervous.
I'm shaking, I get anxiety.
Speaker 4 (09:26):
It's a weekday and Swave usually takes the Septa bus
to get to work at Community College of Philadelphia, but
today he's got so many errands it's just not feasible
to take the bus.
Speaker 2 (09:39):
For a lot of people, driving is something they look
forward to doing.
Speaker 3 (09:45):
Not me, not me.
Speaker 2 (09:47):
I hate fucking driving. I hate it. I don't know
how to deal with my anxiety. When I'm behind the
will my anxiety take over to the point where I
just want to crash the car somewhere and stop and
get out and leave it running.
Speaker 3 (10:01):
So I just don't drive. I just don't drive.
Speaker 4 (10:05):
It's a sunny day and Suave is writing in his
gray Hyundai. He's wearing a gray suit with a black
shirt underneath. He's sitting close to the wheel and he's
holding it pretty tight.
Speaker 2 (10:17):
I am really, really, really afraid to get stopped by
the police. The minute they stop you and they find
out you on parole, you're getting handcuffed. Now your car
getting searched, and if you don't report that traffic stop
to parole. It's a violation of your conditions and that
could lock you up.
Speaker 4 (10:38):
The anxiety is so bad that Swave ends up asking
a friend to drive him home that night. But there
is some hope for the future. Technically, there is some
legal recourse that could allow Suave to get off of
lifetime parole, even if it's kind of a long shot.
Speaker 2 (10:57):
We gotta file for complete commotation from the parting board.
Speaker 4 (11:03):
Commutation just means that the remaining term of his sentence
is completely forgiven. But it's not easy to get.
Speaker 3 (11:11):
It's almost like hitting the lottery.
Speaker 2 (11:13):
You got to have the Attorney General's vote and then
unanimous vote basically before it gets to the governor's office,
and then he got to consider it.
Speaker 1 (11:22):
Like not easy at all.
Speaker 4 (11:27):
The Board of Pardons doesn't state just how long after
a conviction they'll consider a pardon. They just mentioned that
they do consider the length of time. But a report
by the Community Legal Services of Philadelphia, who work with
clients that are going through this process, confirms that the
majority of people who are successful have been out of
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prison for about five to ten years, depending on the offense.
Speaker 3 (11:53):
I'm coming up by my seven years in November.
Speaker 4 (11:56):
It might be impossible, but maybe us, maybe would that
feel like true freedom?
Speaker 3 (12:11):
We have to do that.
Speaker 1 (12:13):
Good afternoon, God, I haven't talked to you in a
long time, man.
Speaker 3 (12:17):
Three years to talk all the time.
Speaker 2 (12:20):
Listen, I'm gonna tell you I don't laugh at this
fleet it was you could laugh.
Speaker 1 (12:26):
So on this Sunday afternoon, Save calls me like he
usually does, and he tells me about his weekend. Tells
me that he was hanging out with a group of
guys that he knew from prison. That they showed up
to his place for a barbecue, and you know, these
are guys that he used to be locked up with.
Speaker 2 (12:42):
So we started off sinking karaoke with Lavo and we
had a we had a food drink.
Speaker 4 (12:47):
Oh no that, Oh no, why did you say that?
Speaker 3 (12:51):
Maria?
Speaker 1 (12:52):
At that moment, I'm like, no, no, no, no, no,
because you know you can't be drinking. And then I'm
all like, oh my god, what happens if Perole calls
him right now at this precise moment. But you know
the good news is that the story didn't end up
going in that direction.
Speaker 3 (13:06):
And guess what's song we end up singing? Manulo sue what.
Speaker 2 (13:10):
They helped me more, I swear to God.
Speaker 1 (13:14):
And then he tells me that like one of his
friends had her phone out at that moment and then
she recorded.
Speaker 3 (13:19):
Me dancing to Mark Anthony Dan I was drunk.
Speaker 1 (13:28):
Oh my God's right. I can't believe you got drunk.
I can't believe you got drunk. Actually, I've never seen drunk.
Speaker 2 (13:34):
Sat.
Speaker 3 (13:36):
I really enjoyed.
Speaker 2 (13:38):
I'm having two or three of my friends that we've
done time with. You know, my friend says something to me.
He's like, damn, we walked the first in yard together
for decades and now we're sitting in your.
Speaker 1 (13:52):
Backyard drinking the head and eating burned.
Speaker 2 (13:56):
Hot dogs, and they paste sue it.
Speaker 1 (14:01):
You know, it was really sweet just hearing Suavit tell
this story with so much joy and happiness.
Speaker 4 (14:09):
But Swaba doesn't always enjoy getting together with his prison friends.
Part of it is parole and it can be risky
to be around people that are drinking or smoking wheat
around you. But that's not really it. It's because it
can get complicated for him emotionally.
Speaker 2 (14:27):
I don't have the desire to meet with guys that
I did thirty forty.
Speaker 4 (14:31):
Years after telling me that Swave sits with this thought
for a minute, then he backtracks. It's not about not
wanting to see the guys, but.
Speaker 2 (14:43):
A lot of it has to do with y'all not
on parole. I'm on parole. It's like a reality check, like, Bro,
you really not free. Bro, You're really not free.
Speaker 3 (14:54):
You're just alone for the ride.
Speaker 4 (14:58):
So former joy know lifers like Suavet they're all on parole.
But most people who go to prison, they're going for
shorter terms, so they're actually coming out with a clean
slate after their sentence. And many of Swave's prison buddies
don't really have to worry about parole. After decades of
supporting each other in prison, the rules that guy, their
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lives are now very different.
Speaker 1 (15:24):
Yeah, I mean. Swabet tells me that he's starting to
find it harder and harder to relate and that for
a long time these were the only people in his
life who could really understand him. But it's changing.
Speaker 2 (15:40):
Sometimes it feels like, wow, damn, man, I deserve that
chance more than you. I get that feeling sometimes like
you got a chance and you ain't doing shit with it.
Speaker 3 (15:49):
Man, I deserve that chance more than you.
Speaker 4 (15:57):
It sounds harsh, but what does it feel like to
know the people on the outside can't ever really understand
how you feel? And then Swabi's prison friends, who are
supposed to understand, well, they're moving on themselves.
Speaker 2 (16:14):
Sometimes if oh, man, while is I'm saying this on
tape man.
Speaker 3 (16:22):
But sometimes it just feels.
Speaker 2 (16:28):
It just feel like, damn, I'm fucking jealous, like the fuck.
Speaker 4 (17:01):
In January, I meet up with Swave in Atlanta, where
I live. Swab is in town to speak at a
criminal justice reform conference. Over the last five years that
I've been producing Suave, I've gone to Philly a lot,
but we never really hung out in my turf. So
we are in front of a waffle house right in
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front of Centennial Olympic Park.
Speaker 3 (17:25):
It's Alana. I love it down here.
Speaker 4 (17:28):
And while he's in town, we've been invited to an
artist showcase at the infamous Stanconia Studios. Suaves seems really excited.
Speaker 1 (17:37):
Okay, So I know I'm supposed to know what Stankonia
Studios is, but I don't, So what is it.
Speaker 4 (17:45):
Stanconia is the most Atlanta of all Atlanta places. I mean,
it's just this legendary studio where Outcasts recorded a bunch
of classics. Honestly, it's pretty iconic, Maria. Everyone from TLC
to TI to Ludacris have recorded there.
Speaker 1 (18:04):
Oh my god. So like Suave a big hip hop head.
I mean, he's just got to be like, wait, what
I get to go to this studio?
Speaker 4 (18:13):
Yeah, he was, you know. And anyway, so we decided
to meet there, and that night, as I'm getting ready
to head out, Swavic just suddenly stops responding to all
my phone calls. Your call has been forwarded to an
automatic voice message. So the next day I finally hear
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back from him, and it turns out he did go,
but he was out of there so fast, and he
just didn't know how to explain it to me, so
he just ignored my calls. So I ask him why,
I mean, like, what's up? What happened? We had all
these plans and then he just left me hanging.
Speaker 2 (18:51):
We go through the Dog and you like in this
space hogh stage, Spaceship Smoke DJ. It was like going
into an outcast rack video, like for real, it was
like being in a video.
Speaker 3 (19:10):
But then the.
Speaker 2 (19:11):
Crowd, the energy, it's like WHOA. I met with my
friend's friend he's you know what's up, bro?
Speaker 3 (19:19):
You good?
Speaker 2 (19:19):
You know you with me? But I see the budge
in his waistline like I'm like, shit, everybody in here
has a gun.
Speaker 4 (19:33):
And the thing is, you know a lot of people
in Atlanta carry a gun. It's kind of become normal
for me. You know, open carry is legal here in Georgia.
So I had never really considered that Swaven might find
it risky or even like upsetting until this moment.
Speaker 2 (19:50):
If somebody bump in to me, I got to be
the one that bitch up and be like, oh my bad,
you know, because I'm probably the only one did not packing.
You get liud with somebody, you might get shot, seriously,
So I'm like, no, I'm cool, I'm out. I don't
like being in them places where I feel defenseless.
Speaker 4 (20:09):
And of course he has to think about his lifetime.
Speaker 2 (20:12):
Parole something jump off, dude, what was you even doing
in that he room.
Speaker 3 (20:17):
That's the first thing that parole won't say.
Speaker 1 (20:19):
The thing is Ripe is right. Anything going sideways here
could land him back in prison.
Speaker 3 (20:24):
So better just to get out of there.
Speaker 2 (20:27):
You know, I'm not hanging with little ray Red and
Raheem from not the block, I'm not now. When I
came home, I wanted it. I've wanted that seventeen year
old life. I wanted what I missed when I went
to jail, minus standing in the corner.
Speaker 3 (20:43):
But I like, I liked that shit. I like that smoke.
Speaker 2 (20:45):
I like I like that irving excitement where I could
be in the corner and hit gun shots. And but
I'm not involved with it. But I like that shit,
you know I still do.
Speaker 4 (20:57):
I mean, think about what he said about the guns.
Before he went to prison. He used to be one
of these guys, packing, talking, bold, just fearless, you know
how he is. But now he really can't be that
way anymore. The risk is too big. So it's interesting
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and also even a little confusing. Swabe has to live
by all these rules, but he also pushes back on
them regularly.
Speaker 2 (21:26):
Somebody might say, well, that's a dangerous game. They could
violate you truth. Those are the consequences that come with
you making certain actions. Man, So I do a lot
of stuff that I'm not supposed to do, only because
I want to feel human.
Speaker 1 (21:40):
When he says this, like, it really does click for me. Yeah,
We're like, it's always this balance, right of how we
live out there in the world. And in some ways,
I kind of think that we've gotten a little comfortable
with the risks that Suave takes. I mean, the thing
or not paying his parole fees on time, and it's
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kind of like, haha, you know, move on, ha ha.
But the reality is that Suave is doing constant risk assessment,
deciding how much to break the rules, when and where,
how much can he live with, and how much of
this actually gives him life. And for me, it's always like, yo, bro,
why why take that risk? And you can see Suave
(22:25):
is struggling. And you know, I think about his past.
Is he a rule follower?
Speaker 4 (22:31):
No?
Speaker 1 (22:32):
I mean absolutely not. That has not been his identity.
And I can see he's feeling this disconnect between his
new friends and his old friends, his new life and
his old life. He's somewhere in the middle wrestling with
this new identity.
Speaker 4 (23:01):
Later that day, in Atlanta, Swabe and I sit across
from each other at the hotel lobby. He's wearing a
cream hoodie with a pair of matching Joggers cream and
mint green sneakers, and of course a Yankee sat and
he tells me a story about a friend from inside
who just got out of prison.
Speaker 3 (23:21):
A couple of days ago. My homie just came home.
Speaker 4 (23:25):
He was able to work out or release without lifetime parole.
Speaker 2 (23:29):
This dude was like, my brother got him a job.
He told me straight up, I'm not going to work
for them. No, you know, oh, they're not paying me enough.
And you know, I left the conversation there because the
that is like my brother, right, But.
Speaker 4 (23:45):
Then the conversation went into some pretty interesting territory.
Speaker 2 (23:50):
But then I'm thinking, like he had no restrictions, he
had no parole, so he freed to go anywhere he
wanted to go. That's dangerous. The why it's dangerous because
he could say I.
Speaker 3 (24:06):
Don't want to work no way you said.
Speaker 4 (24:08):
He came home. He's not on parole. That's dangerous. That
really caught my ear.
Speaker 3 (24:13):
It's dangerous.
Speaker 4 (24:14):
Oh that's a loaded sentence. I want to talk a
little more about that because we've been talking about, you know,
how to get you off like in parole.
Speaker 2 (24:21):
And see what I mean, I keep telling you I'm institutionalized, right,
And what I mean my institutional lives.
Speaker 3 (24:30):
I do things and patterns a b C.
Speaker 2 (24:33):
I can't do things with A and then see, because
I'm like, what happened to be?
Speaker 3 (24:37):
What was? B?
Speaker 2 (24:38):
What I was supposed to do? And B that's because
I'm institutionalized. When you not on parole, you can say cool,
I'm gonna sleep all day and then tomorrow he smoking
the weed.
Speaker 3 (24:52):
I can't do that shit.
Speaker 4 (24:53):
So what if you had to come home without parole?
Are you saying that you wouldn't be in that You
would be no worse position. I'm really serious about this.
Speaker 2 (25:00):
Yeah, probably would have been in a fucked up predictament
because I like to do fucked up shit.
Speaker 4 (25:15):
For so long, Swabe has talked about parole as something
getting in the way of his ability to succeed and
feeling truly free. Another hurdle, another tide of the past.
Speaker 1 (25:26):
But this time Suave is saying that maybe, in some
ways it's actually parole that has led him to a
lot of the good things about his life right now.
Speaker 4 (25:34):
And you know, that's kind of a complicated concept for
me to grasp in that moment. I haven't never heard
you say this. This is really shocking for me.
Speaker 2 (25:43):
No, it is.
Speaker 3 (25:43):
You know, you have to be true with yourself.
Speaker 4 (25:46):
I have to ask you, is there a part of
you that maybe fears getting off of lifetime parole. Let's
be real.
Speaker 3 (25:57):
No, no, no, I don't fear.
Speaker 4 (26:01):
Maybe Okay, so maybe fears not the word. But is
there a part of you that maybe feels like it's
a little safer in this moment for now to stay
on lifetime Pero.
Speaker 2 (26:12):
I wouldn't say it's safer. I say it's more structure.
That's fair to say that. I gotta have structure. I
can't be like free to go, just do what you see,
what you think is best.
Speaker 3 (26:26):
It's not gonna.
Speaker 2 (26:26):
Work, and it won't work from it because I know,
and I really I hate to say this on tape, man,
but it's the truth. Like I know that if I
didn't have that safety that work to row, I don't know,
I probably be in some other shit, man, because because
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I'm really emotional and I like to act on those emotions.
And I realized that nobody got to tell me that.
Speaker 3 (26:57):
So it's like a balance. It's like a balance. We're
keeping you safe.
Speaker 4 (27:01):
Bro. Swabe found a way to free himself from his cage,
only to find himself trapped in a completely new one.
As long as he's on parole, he'll never be able
to just do what he wants, take a spontaneous trip
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drive without looking over his shoulder, even take a little
weed gummy for sleep. But what does it mean for
Suave that this new cage is also kind of a
safety net? Is total freedom what he really desires after all,
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all those years in a jail cell, many of them
in solitary confinement. I mean, it has to change you
pretty profoundly. And one of the hardest things for Suaves
since getting out is navigating relationships.
Speaker 3 (28:00):
When it comes to friends. I don't even know what
that is. I come from a place where there is
no friends.
Speaker 1 (28:06):
How is it that I became the mother figure in
your fucking life? Because that's not what I want to be. Well,
you know what, No, No, I don't know.
Speaker 3 (28:13):
People don't know.
Speaker 4 (28:13):
Yeah, yeah, they.
Speaker 3 (28:15):
Throw it in your face.
Speaker 4 (28:18):
That's next time on Swave.
Speaker 1 (28:33):
My thanks to Julieta Martinelli for hosting this episode with me.
What you just heard, Dear Listener is the second episode
of the Suave Podcast season two. It's a rollercoaster of
an incredible story about the very long shadow of prison.
So I highly recommend you go and listen to it
wherever you get your podcasts. Just find Swavee the podcast
(28:57):
and if you want to listen to all of the
episodes of Suave and I'm telling you I binged on
it right away, and if you want to do that
ad free right now plus get exclusive bonus episodes like
Swave and Me getting deep about the challenges of making
this season or Suave getting into how he made music
(29:18):
in prison. Then you can sign up and join Futuro
Plus at Futuro Studios dot Bord. Suave Season two is
produced by Julia Ta Martinelli with help from associate producer Lileanadries,
(29:38):
and edited by Marlon Bishop. Dan ri Veos is the
post production producer. Our production managers are Jessica Ellis and
Nancy Trujillo. Our engineers are Stephanie Lebau and Julia Caruso.
Our fact checker is Amy Tardiff. Production help from Joaquim Coppler,
Juan Diego, Ramirez, Nicole Rothwell, Joey Dilbaye, Evelyn Bardo Alvarez,
(30:01):
Dorim Marquez, and Tasha Sandoval. Our executive editors are Marlon Bishop,
Maria Garcia, Suave Gonzalez and myself. And now for our
weekly Latino USA show, here are the credits for the
rest of the team Troxana Guire, Felicia Dominguez, Fernanda Chavari,
Victoria Strada, Dominiquin, Estrosa Rinaldo, Leanos Junior, Andrea Lopez Gruzado,
(30:24):
Luis Luna, Marta Martinez, Monica Morales, Garcia, JJ Carubin and
Nour Saudi, Beni, Lee, Ramidez, Marlon Bishop, Maria Garcia and
I are co executive producers and I'm your host, Mariaojosa.
Join us again on our next episode. In the meantime,
I'll see you on all of our social media. Not
teva yas, yesta, la proxima.
Speaker 3 (30:46):
Chiaou.
Speaker 4 (30:48):
Latino USA is made possible in part by the Melon Foundation.
Melon makes grants to support the visionaries and communities that
unlock the power of the arts and humanities to help
connect us all.
Speaker 3 (31:02):
More at Melon dot org.
Speaker 4 (31:04):
Public Welfare Foundation catalyzing transformative approaches to justice that are
community led, restorative, and racially just, and the Heising Simons
Foundation Unlocking knowledge, opportunity and possibilities. More at hsfoundation dot org.
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