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Harry-Autistic-Association.org: Good evening everyone. (00:18):
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This is Harry's Facebook forSunday, the 6th of April, 2025.
This is where we sharethe Facebook post from
and have discussions on
topics.
The first post is from Sophie James.

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It's a personal blog, a neuro divergentgirl spreading awareness from my
personal experiences and what Sophieshared as a following, no matter
what the situation or place is.
I always feel so different.
I feel like the way I thinkor see things, even how I.

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Not only am I a vegan, but somehowalways an insult to everyone
else or a topic of conversation.
I was raised in a verypeculiar family, which I adore.
I wouldn't change for the world.
I have strong values and morals andreally have the brain of a child,
but the wisdom of someone older.

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I like to play and joke.
I love to wear pink and explore.
I find small talk very dull and difficult.
I don't know many thingsother people generally do
know, and I can be very blunt.
I don't control my facial expressions, andwhen someone annoyed me, they will know.

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I'm also very strong-willedand find myself analyzing
everyone to an extreme level.
I feel I've learned so much aboutliving a mindful, peaceful life.
By prioritizing living life to its fullestas opposed to the material side of things.
But it makes me sad to see somany others in pain with their own

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habits, way of perceiving the worldand the way they judge others.
The world is a changing place.
It always has been.
In generation, clash are somethingwe have whole experience generations
above us, just not understanding theway younger generations see things.
I wish people cared more about how youtreat others, treat yourself and as a

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person than what you have or the thingsthat you've done or how well you fit in.
Some of the nicest people I have ever metdon't have a lot and have never even left.
End of
the day, all I can do is livemy life the way I choose and
treat others with respect as well

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as myself.
It's so easy to get annoyed at everyone.
It's so easy to get frustratedby people when they look over.
You make annoying comments or just sostuck in their ways they can't see.
Outside of that.
It's so easy to fall into the trapof caring about any of these things,
so I'm learning how to let go andmove on with my head held high and

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my mental health being the priority.
The only person that can get to meis me because the world is tough
and there will only be a few peoplewho truly understand you and who
you could be comfortable around.
Let bygones be bygones andjust focus on yourself.

Jules-AutisticRadio.com (03:40):
It feels like a bit of self care really, doesn't it?
Whatever kind of human being youare, the world and the whole society
out there is too big and sometimesit's necessary to retreat a bit and
concentrate on the most important thingsto yourself and guard yourself and.

Nicola-AutisticRadio.com (04:06):
Concerning myself with the stuff that I can
actually change and letting go of stuffa lot more that's just outta my hands.
And I couldn't do that before.
I couldn't let go very easily.
I think it's something thatI've really been learning to
do over the last few years.

Raymond-AutisticRadio.com (04:23):
Are these, structural things that
you've been letting go Nicola?
Not to be too personal.
I

think it was meaning just thoughts, ideas, things,
people just, stuff I can't control.
Just like, oh, well let it go.

Yeah.
See, this post makes me thinkabout the connection and
relationship we have with the world.
That kinda interface where we meet,and often we can be negative and
critical about a lot of its structures,and yet we dependent upon them.
My experience has been todevelop another way of living.

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I'm still very much connectedwith it all, but I limit that.
So a lot of the disappointments thatcome in are often at compromise.
I might not be explaining this wellenough, but it's just a sense I get that
somewhere in that I connection with.

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It's inherited almost that we growup expecting and it's structural.
And so when you said letting go ofthings, I thought, well, there are
some things people can't let go of'cause they're structural, the family
perhaps, the domestic, they need a house.
They, all these basic needs and things

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unavoidable.
I've evolved into a life whereit's kind of just me and it, and
you know, I take it on that level.

Harry-Autistic-Association.org (06:00):
The next post is from Rosie Weldon's
Autistic Life, which is a personal blog.
Described as I am an autistic adult thatshares my life openly and honestly online.
And she shared a quote and it says, theright people won't ask you to change.

I know what the sentiment is behind that.
The sentiment is you'regood enough as you are.
You shouldn't be forced tobe somebody you are not.
And then I think because I'm anautistic person, I have to go further
than the black and white on that.
And I have to say that the right peoplefor me have described what I am to myself.

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Given me perspective, and that hasactually encouraged me to change the
way I behave or change the way I act, oreven change the way I think sometimes.
So I would also say that the rightpeople won't demand that you change,
but the right people will be somebodywho is willing to engage with you,

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honestly enough and deeply enough.
And that often brings aboutchange that you choose yourself.
So I suppose the meme comes from the ideathat we as autistic people are so often
told that our weirdness, our oddness isunacceptable in certain circumstances and

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we shouldn't have to change all the time.
But I would put the caveat is thatthe human being is a learning.
Animal and we, throughout the whole ofour lives go through enormous change.
Enormous change in our ideas.
And if we don't change as we're growingand moving on towards death, then we

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haven't taken the best advantage ofwhat's around us because we haven't really
experienced and we haven't really engaged.
Because change is whathappens to you when you live.

I see what you're saying there,
Jules, largely agree with it.
Although the bit I disagree with is this,that you have to go out and experience
life or you're not gaining full benefit.
I feel that is pressure.
But I do agree that we areconstantly changing and my initial
reaction to this meme is, well,what is meant by change, you know?

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Are we expecting people to ask us tochange what, in a positive way, or why
do we need change from someone else?
I mean, engagement is great.
It's great to have feedback, andit's great to, you know, recognize
the affordance of advantage in life.
I don't know, I think it's impossible

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to be.

What I'm seeing from this meme, this quote, is
someone that may have had experience orpeople saying, and I've had it myself in
some ways, is like, stop acting weird.
Stop acting the way you act, theway you're supposed to or act.
So, but the right people.

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As is with other things.
It could be taken from different scenariosin different ways because it's too
simple sounding because right peoplemay be asking you or giving advice on
how to change habits, how to changecertain things in your life to make it.

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It's the right people won'task you to change maybe unless
you want to.

Yeah.
It's kinda like a doublenegative, isn't it?
It starts off with, well, I'm beingasked to change, which feels negative,
so I'm going to negate that by sayingthe right people won't ask me to change.
Is that correct, Rita?
I love the of some, these thingsjust don't make sense right away.

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Find it intriguing and it's possiblea way to evade capture, you know,
because our information is beingoutsourced all the time online, so
we have to be careful what we say.

Yeah, I think if you condense your thoughts
down to a simple meme or a simplesentence or a saying, then you have to
expect people are gonna try and dig.
And find other versions and othermeanings and other inspirations from it.

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And you know, that initself is a good thing.
It is a bit, you know, live, eat,, love, eat, pray, or whatever it is,
and you stick it on your fridge.
But those things are also inspiration.
So whatever makes you think.
And I agree with you there,Raymond, and I think that's really
good that you nuance what I said.
You don't have to go outthere , and fully challenge

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yourself to be experiencing life.
I agree with you.
I think it is a missed opportunityif you don't engage in life, but.
You can engage in life by thinkingwithin your own head and you're
within your own space and withouteven communicating with other people.

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That is a full on reality.
You do not have to take thestimulus from outside people.
I just feel that if you start offas an egg, you get birthed and you
live a life and you are gonna die.
And that journey is the journey.
That's it.
And change during that period.
There are so many opportunities tothink and experience and fixing yourself

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at any one part of that, those timesand journeys in any way feels to me
as though that is missing something.

Well, the one that gets me is when
people say, oh, you'll be on yourdeathbed regret and everything.
You never did.
And I think, how dare you life?
High pressure enough, you know?
That'd be like thinking, well, Icould panic like that right now.
Have I done enough?
I mean, at my age there's not much timeleft, so I might as well enjoy myself.

Oh, absolutely.
If I died tomorrow, Iwould not have any regrets.
I really feel there's nothing I canthink of that I need to deal with.
That would me regrets if I had a day to.

I've just think this kind of loops back to
like the first post and it talkedabout success being whatever.
It takes to make you feel likeyou've lived your life the
way that you wanna as well.
. But I think there's just a lotabout, acceptance going on in
these posts in my head anyway.

Yeah.
And . Acceptance takesconfidence, doesn't it?
You have to be confidentthat you are good enough.
You don't take in all of the perceivedcriticism that happens out there,
and I feel that as autistic peoplesometimes we are not very good at that.
We don't have that bland confidence thatcomes with the neurotypical experience.

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We are much moreself-critical and questioning.
So me.
I

think confidence might be loving yourself, which
for me is like experience in situationsof like where you're content, where
you're good in yourself and they can helpyou, you know, expose and unravel the
things that inhibit you from feeling likethat, that stop you feeling like that.

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A comfortable situation explored.
It's something in that, I think when Ithink back, like do I have confidence?
To a certain extent, yes.
And it comes from thatalmost love in myself.
It's a strange thing to explain.

Harry-Autistic-Association.org: The next post is from Robbie (14:29):
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Prosser and what it's about, it's.
I can neither answer thephone nor make calls.
I can do a little more thanidentifying myself and agree someone

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I trust can act on my behalf.
The issues, include wrong numbers,automated systems, answer machines, and
leaving messages, calls being recorded,including just number for purpose,
billing, expectation of quick responses.
Waiting in queues, interruptions, salescalls, scams, and calls some people, I

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dunno, under all numbers, this causesme to feel humiliated, which overwhelms
me, which often causes me to haveautistic meltdowns, ultimate systems.
I would find this extremely confusing andI would be fearful of making a mistake.
This again would make me feel humiliatedand could cause me to have an meltdown.

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Calls being recorded.
I would fear my mistakes being recorded,adding to my already low self-esteem,
expectation of quick responses.
I already struggle with slower processing.
This becomes worse under stress.

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Stress could overwhelm me andcould cause me to have an meltdown.
Waiting in cues, waiting in cues,causes remuneration and interruptions.
I struggle with being interruptedbecause difficult getting
back to what I was doing.
I don't have a need of like routine, Ijust struggle with anything unpredictable.

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Sales calls, scam.
I struggle in any situation.
I don't know how to respond.
Most people assume it is alearning issue, which is not.
I struggle with the negativeemotions involved, which can cause
me to have an assisted meltdown.
I have no trouble with videocalls like Zoom or Google

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Meet, which have been arranged.
Because people insist of onlyproviding contact by phone, I am
forced rely people to support meand it limits my independence.
Things that would help.
Phone numbers being optional.
Alternative method of contact to suitperson needs, and spectrum Sloth helped

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out with the wood box, so thank you.

This is good, informative, and very constructive.
Thanks to Spectrum Slough for thehelp with the artwork, and thanks
Robbie, for bringing up this subject.
You indicate that independence is anissue for you because one of the solutions
I would think of immediately wouldbe to have someone else handle phone

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calls for you, but I can see how thataffects your feeling of independence.
Especially when you may have veryimportant things to discuss and see.
So it's not easy, , it's this bad sideof technology sometimes is, it expects
you, it demands a lot of you and I canimagine you must enjoy some part phone

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use where like, say you're chatting to atrusted friend, say, or someone you trust.
I enjoy being on the phone, butalso I know some people just don't
like physically being on phones.
And so alternative methods ofcontact to suit your needs looks
like the solution or the best option.

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And what are those alternative methods?
You know, there are.
That doesn't bypass all the stuff youget with the industry where you're
in queues and all the other negativethings that you mentioned there, and it
certainly is very difficult to avoid spam.
It's a terrible plague.

Harry-Autistic-Association.org: Yeah, I totally agree with (18:48):
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the anxiety of the phone call.
Even now, I can never getused to the phone call.
It just feels so strange if you're notspeaking to someone that you know, and
sometimes even then it can feel awkward.
, fair text messaging, even though not great conversation just to pass information.

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It's not very often ask the phone anyone.
And I always feel, no matter if Ido know the person , it's about this
preparation, this kinda even sort of nottotally scripting, but having an idea.

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A lot of thought.

I think one of the things that makes it really
difficult is if you've had to go throughone of those, press two for this, and
then speak your postcode after thebeep, and then it can never understand.
My accent.
So it's always justreally, really confusing.
And then I eventually get connected to aperson by which time I'm just like, what?

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My phone.
Oh, for?
It's just so disorientating.

I dunno if anybody said it, but.
I take the advantage of using thesechat bots whenever it's possible.
The online chat in text.
It means that I don't sit worriedwaiting for a human being on
the end of a telephone line.
In one of these things, I get throughsome of the silly AI bit and then it

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says, because I ask it silly questions, itgets me onto, oh, I can't deal with that.
I'll get a real person , totext you in a minute.
And then I can do other things.
So I can be on the computer doing otherthings, reading my emails, and then
just join the chat when it's necessary.
But I've already written everythingI want to say down, including all

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of the questions I think they'regonna ask in a little text document.
So when they ask the same things I putin the first place, it's cut and paste
and ready in there if that helps anybody.

Well, that's.
You can get callbacks from that aswell, and it saves you sometimes waiting
two to three hours on a waiting listfor some kind of very important say,
benefit conversation, which wouldprobably only last five minutes anyway.

. Harry-Autistic-Association.org: Yeah, that's a good call. (21:11):
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I've actually did that afew times and I've done,
you actually do this until.
Both of us aren't really thatgood on the phone and because
of what we've talked about
the text thing in any setting is thebest way forward because you've get time

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to think about the information that'sgonna be shared and be understood.
But the chat bot thing is certainlya thing that I've used in the
past and has been very beneficial.

I was just thinking about how it can have
really serious consequences, eh, thephone thing, and I think it's one
of the big hurdles that I have with.
Dealing with like the gp,gonna the doctor for stuff.
It's having communicate over thephone that need, especially trying
to get past the receptionistto just get an appointment.

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And it's great if there's otherways , like chat bots or email
or web forms that you can use.
, It does make it an awfullot more accessible.

I'm not sure if there's a way to bypass the
waiting game on the phone first thingin the morning for a GP appointment.
There's no chat bot therethat you can negotiate with.
As far as I know.

Yeah, exactly.
It's like some very importantservices , are phone only.
And I think as well, if you'restruggling and you're needing to be on.
Like benefits at all.
At times you're like, we will phone youand you just have to kinda be, you know,
that somebody's just gonna phone youand you're gonna have to be ready with
all this important information and thatcan be really stressful if they call

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you when you're 20 minutes from home.

I just wanna say a safety thing about telephones.
For scammers when they're phoningboth your mobile and your home phone
number to show a completely differentnumber on the screen that you might
recognize as your bank or wherever.
So if somebody is phoning you, youshould not give out any of your personal

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identity information for your bank orfor your credit card or for your email
account or anything like that, becausethis is the way that people get convinced.
On confidence tricks.
The other tip, I think, is that ifyou do have a number that's called
you and you are in any way suspiciousone way, if you Google it, Google

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the number, it will usually giveyou one of these websites that tells
you whether it's a suspicious call.
As I said, if they're spoofingsomebody else's number, like your
bank's number, that doesn't work.
But some of the numbers that come up, ifyou Google them, it'll tell you whether
it's a spam call or a dangerous call.

Robbie-AutisticRadio.com (24:08):
I don't actually have a phone and I've never
had a phone because there's no way I'dbe had a use phone if sometimes I have
end up putting phone number for my.
When I first moved, most of myfriends were about 40 miles away.

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They could hardly comearound to make a call for me.
Even now they're 12 miles away, but itjust doesn't seem to be, a solution.

So how do you make phone calls, Robbie?
Do you use public phones or do you getsomeone else to make calls for you?

Someone else makes calls for me on their phone.
I don't own a phone andI've never owned a phone.

That seems like a fair enough filter if
you trust the person and you can gettheir time, you know when you need it.

The problem is, I don't have anyone much available
when you get urgent issues likebank blocking the cards or dealing
with the likes of Scottish Powerwhen they're screwing up my bills.
Again,
I.

Raymond-AutisticRadio.com: So it's only the therapist. (25:24):
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'cause I was going to suggest thatmaybe you send an email to whoever
makes these calls for you andsaying, I have this urgent issue.
Can someone assist me by making the call?

I just haven't got anyone available because
of this data protection crap, becauseof having to be in the same room and
having to answer all the security crap.
Why can't who provide me a wayof stopping my car being blocked.

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It's not phone-based.

Briefly.
I remember doing this for my mother whenI was an advocate for her as a rep. She
used to have to identify herself andgive a password or a code or something
like that, and then I took over the call.
She's usually the way it.

Yeah, when, I got my, basically my dad had
done phone calls on me, I think maybeone or two others, but they have to check
that I'm actually there in the room andI've got to give permission for that.
I happen.
And even that in self anxiety inducing,

there's even in.
Wifi dongle.
I can't receive textswith a phone company.
I spent all morning to get him tofind another way of doing security.
It took them all morning toaccept that I don't have a

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phone, so I can't receive a text.

Harry-Autistic-Association.org: I then used the attitude as well (27:00):
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of why don't you have a phone?
You should have a phone.
It's like people have choicesand it's like not being online.
It like as having a.That's strange, that's odd.
You are being awkward, sowe're not going to help you.
It's that attitude.

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It's appalling.
People have things for, you know, realgenuine reasons and I can understand the
phone saying, well, I totally get it.
I mean, why have something that'sgoing to cause you to stress
The final post for tonight's fromNeuro Divergent Lou, who is a blogger
feeding a place in a neurotypical world.

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And it's about autism and haircuts.
It's a presentation, why might haircutsbe difficult for autistic people?
Well, does the expectation ofsitting still struggling to
process instructions, like take aseat, tilt your head, et cetera.
Small talk, coping withchange in appearance, a

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different haircut than usual.
The sensational water drippingdown, neck being touched,
different smells, merging together.
Bright lights, loud noise, airdryers, clippers, music talking,
feeling of freshly cut hair, itchyhair, down back, or neck temperature.

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The unfamiliar environmentstruggling to express pain or
discomfort, lack of control.
And not knowing what's going to happen.

I'd go mostly for the latter one,
which is busy with other people.
It's like that causes anxiety in meand used to lead to panic attacks.
It was like an endurance test to actuallysit through a haircut, even though I don.

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Intimidating kind of trap, youfeel you're in with no escape.
Sometimes you can go through that andcome out the other end a bit relaxed.
But soon as someone, the bell wentand someone came in the barber
shop again, it's like, oh, there'sanother person waiting behind me.
Ah.
So even talking about get me going.

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So yeah.

Yeah.
Two have tended to cut my ownhair, which has been sometimes
good and kind of mostly bad.
I was just thinking when I was listeningthat in my early twenties I like,
obviously back then I didn't know.
I was autistic, but I remember havingto leave halfway through a haircut.

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I just couldn't cope like,so I just left with it.
Half done.
I was the poor guy, was like, I'mso sorry if I've done anything.
And I had no idea.
Like I couldn't have put it the why intowords, but it was just all too much.
And that's just, that had been myexperience with haircuts before.
Yeah, we've before.

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I feel like the easiest thingseither shave it all off or
just grow it and neglect it.

Harry-Autistic-Association.org: I'm just grateful and bold. (30:18):
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But the thing is, I'm not completely boldand I used to go to the same barbers it
was fairly quiet, but even then, eventhough it was the same people, when I
went down, it was the familiar place.
I just hated the experience.

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And the thing I hated about theexperience, not just the hair down the
back of the neck, but just the small talk.
And they always asked,are you working today?
Are you off work today?
And they weren't being bad, I justtalking, they were nice people.
What has happened is Covid changedthings, certainly for me is because

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obviously the barber's shut becauseeverything's shut and, my dad get
a raise and he does his own here.
So what he does is hedoes mine now as well.
So it's kinda changed that Idon't actually go to the disco.
My dad's now.
Small talk thing andthat goes out the window.
The hair going through the back of my neckstill remains, so it's lessened it a bit.

Well, I was spoiled for years having a
hairdresser come around the house.
But nowadays I'll just go to the barberoccasion and have the beard trimmed.

Oh, the luxury of someone coming around
your house to cut your hair.

Harry-Autistic-Association.org: Thanks everybody taking part (31:39):
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tonight this is Harris Facebookfor Sunday, the 6th of April, 2025
and it's part of the 5 55 ArtisticRadio Spectrum Voices conversation,
which is every Sunday, thanks againfor taking part in the handle.
The

Now it's time to look at what we do here at
Autistic Association, the charitythat supports autistic radio.
I'm reporting to the group that we havean offer to make a presentation to a
group of controversial professionals.
The PBS

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association, they're partof the behaviorist concept.
A lot of people lump themin together with a, b, a.
Now, we have been cooperating with aBA organizations and PBS organizations
here at Autistic Radio for one.

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And to bring the autistic experience andcounteract some of the things that quite
rightly for many years, the autisticpopulation have taken issue with.
We don't see our role hereas a group of protests.

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It's great that other people take part in.
The worst excesses of some professional'sbehavior to the attention of the public.
But if we think we are going to ban a,B, A, or if we think we are gonna ban
PBS, when this is a multi-billion poundindustry, and also the professionals in

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it, by far, the majority of them feelthat they are in it for the right reasons.
Taking
them down that some of the autisticpeople out there in various spaces feel
is possible, just doesn't ring true to me.
However, if we take the best of whatthey're doing and amplify it, if we

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discuss our experience in a open andhonest way, we can change what happens and
we can help them to see us more clearly.
It feels as though if we don'thelp them to see us more clearly,
then we are abdicating ourresponsibility as advocates.

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Unfortunately, they don'talways take us seriously.
Recently, you know that we were invitedand we were celebrated for making a
presentation at the UK Society forBehavior Analysts down in London at
their annual conference, and we havejust been invited to do something
very similar, very last minute.
At a Newcastle conference for the PBSgroup, their conference is potentially

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bigger, more in person, and also it'sgoing to be beamed across the world.
I have not yet completely refusedto take part, but I have offered
something to them, but as yet, I donot feel as though we are going to.
Or the charity that we support isgoing to be fully compensated for the

(35:05):
time and effort that it would taketo do what we have been asked to do.
So unfortunately going forward,I'm gonna probably decline what
you, the listening public mightfeel I should be taking part in.
I feel as though I might be criticizedfor not just agreeing and going doing

(35:26):
something, but my point of view.
Because I'm an outside party andbecause I don't get career advancement
and because I'm not being paid by anorganization to go and actually attend
the conference, I have requestedthat the charity that I would be
representing receives a reasonable fee.

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And the fee that's been offered so farfeels generous to them because they're
quite used to having their own people.
Speak for free.
And they're quite used tobringing in autistic people
and using them as examples.
That whole feeling of the autistic personspeaking their truth, they're used to

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that, coming to them for free as well.
But here at Autistic Radio, we seeourselves as a more professional
organization than that, and we can'tbe subsidizing as a charity multi.
The work of
well-paid professionals.

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So that's where we stand at the moment.
If anybody wants to email me newsat autistic radio and tell me I
should be doing things differently,I would be happy to listen to them.
But so far I would say no.
Unless you are paid correctly asan outsider, as an advocate, you

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shouldn't really be demeaning yourself.
And the message that you givewill be undervalued if you do so.
Autistic radio is about us.
It's for us, and it's from us.
Autistic Radio is about you.

(37:14):
It's for you, and it can be from you.
We have every single Sunday dropin four, four 4:00 PM every Sunday.
That's not live.
That's us getting together,us talking community.

(37:36):
Every Sunday, Harry leads a fivefive 5:00 PM a discussion around
the Facebook page that he creates.
Involve yourself by suggestingwhat we should talk about next.
Share it with Harry and.

(37:57):
The bigger picture, advocate, use us.
Speak to the world, your project,your idea, your enthusiasm.
We have a whole range of differentprograms that will fit what you want.
As far as listening goes, there'ssome challenging stuff out there.

(38:22):
Because amongst the identity, theentertainment, and the community,
we also make serious programs withautism professionals challenging
their ideas and bringing whatyou say in other spaces to them.

(38:43):
A lot of those are difficult listens,but it's a holistic gathering.
It comes all together.
Autistic radio is very varied.
We need a favor to encourage us.
We need you to share us.

(39:05):
When you share us.
You give autistic people power.
When you share us, you makeus impossible to ignore.
When you repost on LinkedIn and Facebookand anywhere else, you are advocating
for everybody in the autistic community.

(39:29):
So pick the things that you arehappy with and get them out there.
So thank you, thank you, thankyou, thank you from all of us.

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