Christian Movies - Are they any good? (with Sean Chandler) - Consider It Joy

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Hey, it's Matt with Considerate Joy, and there are two words when you put them
together, everyone will have an opinion on. Christian, movies.
You are either a fan of them, or you recoil and you cringe at the idea,
but everyone kind of has a take or a perception of those.
And we're going to talk about that today, but here's the thing.
When you're passionate about something, you want to have good critical feedback.

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If you're going to be a baker, if your cupcakes don't taste good,
you need somebody to tell you, hey, these don't taste good. So ultimately,
the product you have is something people are going to enjoy.
And that's the idea for today's episode.
It's really not an episode to take sides, but it is a thoughtful look at the
industry of Christian films.
Find out where they're getting it right, where they can do it better.

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Because for us, we are passionate both about movies and, of course, about our faith.
So we want it represented well. And we have the perfect guest to talk about
this very thing. It's Considerate Joy. Considerate Pure Joy.
See if it sparks joy in you Because you know the testing of your faith produces perseverance.

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Welcome back, it is Consider It Joy,
the official podcast of 88.3 Life FM I'm Matt Pelishek I'm Aaron Perlman And
of course we host the Afternoon Joyride And this is a podcast where we are able
to tackle sometimes everyday topics but from a faith perspective,
and dig a little bit deeper than we can ordinarily on the radio show that we do throughout the week.

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And one of the passions that we have outside of music, being radio DJs, is movies.
So I'm pretty excited about this because we're going to talk not just about movies.
We're going to talk about Christian movies.
And we're going to try to evaluate a a little bit. What does the term mean?
How do we pursue, you know, what works, what doesn't work, some of that.

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But we figured if we were going to have this topic, it only made sense to bring
back one of our favorite guests, but this time here in studio.
That's Sean Chandler, a guy who likes to talk about movies, whether he likes
them or you don't like them, he's going to talk about them no matter what.
That's what he does. Shaz. Shaz.
I am very excited to be here. I have never recorded a podcast in an actual like

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podcast studio where I've got headphones.
I'm talking to this mic even right now. My voice sounds so warm in my ears.
Right. So I will probably have some amazing things to say about.
I did the warm syrup setting on your microphone. That's why it sounds so good. Oh, wow.
I love it. You look at your studio, it's got the fancy lights,

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looks super extravagant, and yet this is better?
Well, so mine is designed specifically for video to make you go, oh, wow, look at that.
I mean, if you actually went in the room, you'd see the pile of...
Dr. Pepper cans on the floor, dirty dishes that are literally right behind my
chair. There's lights just sitting on the floor.

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I mean, it's it's crazy, but it's designed from one angle where the camera's at to look really good.
But I don't have all the fancy mics and stuff. I just have like this one microphone
that's on a like all of this is it's like, oh, maybe I need to get some of this stuff.
This is kind of nice. Well, I'm glad we were able to take, you know,
a big name movie review YouTuber and make you feel like a real professional. Yes.

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I'm legitimate now. That's right. He's not professional.
I would highly recommend anybody, especially if you're a movie person,
you love this kind of stuff.
Several episodes ago, Sean was on with us.
We talked about Hollywood, YouTube and Jesus and kind of kind of where those
worlds intersect and what it's like being in the YouTube space and and in the film space. base.

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So, so yeah, we were so excited to find out when you were coming through town
and this is, we were excited.
We'll see how this goes talking about Christian films, because I know,
you know, movie critics have a very particular take pretty across the board
when it comes to Christian films, whether or not it's fair, that'll be one of
the things we can discuss.

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But I do, I think one of the things that, two things I want to start with.
One is we don't want this to be just a a critique or just a bash of Christian films.
Ben, already you're out the gate saying it's a bash of Christian films.
Oh, wow. I don't think that's what I said.
No, I know. Yeah, no, we don't want to. If that's what you're preemptively stating,
it seems like that's where we're at.

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What I understand right now is that you are trashing.
I bring that up because I just know that there's already a stigma on that some people already have.
Yeah, yeah, there is. But I also want a realistic approach to them.
The second thing that I kind of want to give a qualifier is I do feel like sometimes
the term Christian is not a good adjective when we start adding that in front of something,

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which is ironic because anybody listening that knows us from the radio knows
we do Christian music and Christian radio. So there is a tricky balance there.
All the same, though, you know, the word Christian carries weight with it.
It carries presuppositions with it.
And all depending on your background, your experience, where you're approaching

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this from, what that's going to mean when you attach that word to a medium of
some kind. So these are all kind of a part of exploring this world, I think.
So if you want to find out also about Sean and a little more about your background,
I mean, we dig into it in the last episode, but you have a pastoral background.

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So there's ministry that you've been through. You've been doing the movie thing
for, is it three, four years now?
Full time, five years. Full February. So I started the channel about seven years ago. Okay. Wow.
So I think just the right person. How's your 401k Since you're just doing it yourself Yeah,
At some point in time, I realized I needed to start working on that.

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I'm middle-aged enough that I'm very versed in my Roth IRA.
Well done. I'll encourage my 11-year-old who would very much like to be doing
YouTube as a career that's like, well, hey, you reach that age and you can look
forward to your Roth IRA as well.
So I'm sure she'll be very excited for that. Okay, let's start with this, you guys.

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How many movies did you watch as of this recording?
It's the start of 2024. you look back
last year how many movies did you watch total movies
yeah we'll say total total movies about 450 wow
wow last year yeah it's so funny because like where do you find the time for
that but then again that's your job is to watch movies yeah this just becomes

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your pattern and that's individual films yeah not watching it repeat like with
your kids right you know my My daughter became obsessed with Trolls.
So Trolls 1, 2, and 3, that's three movies despite, you know, 7,000 viewings.
But it just becomes kind of part of the routine, maybe even not good routines.

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But you say that you will start a movie at 6 that we watch as a family and then
the kids go to bed and then we watch one more after that. My wife and I that I need to watch it.
But it's because I literally have to watch things for different videos that
I'm working on. And so it just becomes kind of a pattern for life of.
Do you find the difference i'm just kidding between the work movies and the
relaxed movies like all right this one it just came out i know everyone's going

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to talk about it i got to get through it and when that's done yeah me and my
wife we're going to watch this one we we just we love this director and it is
it like a distinction for you the more relaxing ones versus the work stuff.
Not enough anymore. Unfortunately, that's one of the costs.
Yeah. Like as an actual serious thing of like, you know, I watch movies for

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a living, so I don't want to complain about my life.
But you think whatever you do, there's always some consequence.
And so when you take everyone else's thing for relaxation and you make it your job,
then my relationship with viewing movies is now always like trying to maximize
efficiency of what I need to watch.
It's very difficult to just put something on to just like watch it for fun.

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Curious as a movie reviewer do you watch movies like
when you're in the shower when you're you just you're on the
go you're eating is this is this the
constant in the shower well i mean he's just trying to
save time i don't know i don't know how your house is wired but mine is not
quite i don't know i can't not do that but the point is how do you have a you

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know i mean is there a place where you just like okay i've got to stop not watching
movies they're generally Generally, nighttime activity.
Okay. So whether that's, if it's a family appropriate, we'll start something at six o'clock.
And then if it's something my wife wants to watch with me, then at nine o'clock,
we'll watch something in two of us. Or if it's a horror movie she's not interested

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in, I'll go up to my office and watch it.
So there's kind of that pattern to it. During really busy seasons,
then I'll be like, man, I got to get finished this whole franchise by next weekend.
All of a sudden, it's like, all right, I'm watching one during the workday.
I'm watching one and you watch like four movies in a day and it
gets pretty ridiculous that but that's not so you like you
literally be like I don't want to watch a movie for another three weeks you're

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watching over 450 movies out of all of those films
how many of them were Christian films this year this last I have
no idea not very many and for
a variety of reasons some of it I've just never gravitated too
much towards Christian movies and some
of it is because I have a
platform form and i'm known as a

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christian in the space i don't
want to leverage my platform to be negative towards christian
movies like and i don't want to feel like i'm just punching down or like like
that's a little bit of my fear on some of it of not even going too far into
the space and then i don't find out which ones are the the ones worth watching

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yeah until it's past the wave so then like I miss the actual point.
If I could have reviewed it when it dropped, like was it Jesus Movement? Yeah.
By the time it's like, oh, this is when everyone's saying it's good,
they've already seen it.
Everyone else has already talked about it. So for your job purposes,
there's no reason. Yeah, I missed it.
Just so we can get a baseline then from where we go from here and our questions,

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I'm just curious, what to you is, we say Christian movie, what movie in your
brain pops up? What do you think of?
What is it? Is it Kendrick Brothers? Yeah.
That's the vein that normally kind of comes to my mind. War Room Overcomer,
that kind of stuff. And I guess...
And I say this negatively, but I think of them as like sermon illustration movies.

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Yes. They feel like a sermon illustration run out for 90 minutes. Yeah.
And there's like a very clear like point that the pastor wants to make.
And so then tells this tale of the person that does this thing.
And then the punchline at the end, you know, he's a firefighter that looks at porn.
And then he stopped in his marriage was like, it just, it feels like it's,

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it's just designed so much to be a sermon illustration.
And those just never really appealed to me. I never got the concept.
I've kind of always been in the same boat with those, though I will say maybe
five years ago or so, Alex Kendrick spoke at an event I was at.

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And I remember even kind of going into it like, oh, I know they're bringing
him in because this is a Christian event and he's in in that space.
And he said something that actually I really loved a lot.
And he basically said, I'm paraphrasing him, but it's like, listen,
we know our movies are not the best movies.
They're probably not going to be the best movies. Our hope is that by doing

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what we do, others will be inspired to do it way better than we're able to do.
I want other people to do this and shine so much brighter than what we are doing.
And I actually really appreciated that approach.
Because sometimes I don't know if this is always the case.
I've always kind of had a feeling that Christian films had at times a self-righteousness to them.

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And I don't think in their case anyways, that's where they're coming from.
I think there's an acknowledgement of what they are and what they are not and
where they want that to be almost as a springboard.
So for me that changed it. Cause I've yeah, I'm kind of a skeptic on these films in general and.
Part because also I think all of us grew up around an era when they there just

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weren't good Christian movies, right? They were Christian movies.
What was that one? What was it like Carmen a boxer in a movie or something like
that the champion don't care?
I I wouldn't pay for that and I oh wow I so I was at the time huge Carmen fan
Interesting huge huge. I was at every concert.
Hmm. I even was an usher Just just so I could think I could meet the guy.

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Did you it did? I did meet him once.
And then we got to, we spoke, Matt and I got to speak with him right before
he, right before he died, actually. Yeah. It was, uh, it was one of our favorite
interviews the Joyride has ever done.
It was surprising, but I was completely turned off of Carmen and all of us in
complete ministry the second I walked into that movie.

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It was a horrible, it was a waste of my, I wish I, there's only two movies in
my life I wish I got my money back for. Three.
That one, Omega Code. Another Christian film.
I saw, I think I saw that one. Yeah. And Fantastic Four, the latest version.
I actually got money back for that one. Yeah. Wow.
Yeah. And so that coming from, you know, I think anyone who's been around the

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church for a long time has known this and specifically around church culture.
I've always been around church culture. And so these things were celebrated at the church would go.
And I'm kind of split, Sean. I'm curious your thoughts.
I want to be in this place in my head where it's like, okay,
well, I know they're still not great and they do lean often towards sermon illustrations.

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Administrations but do i need to be more supportive of
them so that money's being made and more
christian films or films with
christian values are being created what do you what do you think about that
it's so tough because it's a matter of whatever's successful whatever if you
if whatever makes 10 15 20 50 million dollars whatever that thing is that communicates

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this this is what people buy.
That's what you'll get more of. So that's where it gets a little bit tricky to do some comparisons.
The back when I was a youth pastor had a really tricky situation come up.
God's not dead. Yeah. Oh yeah. I never actually saw it, but I've read extensive plot synopses.

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And from the get go, I was like, this is,
this was an email forward from 2003 about
the evil secularizing professor i got in the
email it was always like einstein was like the kid
in the room like it's just ridiculous right but i got this email so
many times and then they made it into a movie starring
hercules and it's but it's

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the same deal and then i'm like wait he like dies in a car accident and then
they go to like the newsboys and duck dynasties there what but this movie comes
out for two weeks but they don't know it's if you're one of the few that has
missed out on this cinematic masterpiece. So the next week.
Or after it comes out two weeks, like I just keep getting random texts.

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God's not dead. God's not dead. God's not like, what is going on?
Oh, that's the call to action at the end of the film was like text everyone,
you know, God's not dead.
And so I was very much on the one hand excited that my students were at least
taking some action in a faith direction.
Like, okay, that that's a positive. And I don't want to do anything to diminish that.

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At the same time like i just can't think of
anything positive to say about this movie that i haven't seen
so to be i still have never seen it but like it
it just i have a lot of issues with everything that i do know about this movie
and all the sequels that's this one in this one made a bunch of money and so
now there's what four of them now yeah yeah contrast that also movie i haven't

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seen jesus culture this last year okay everything i've heard about that when
i go yeah Yeah, I want more of that,
of like a story about a real person,
their story. The Jesus Revolution. The Jesus Revolution.
Jesus Culture, that's the, is that a band? Jesus Revolution,
that's, there we go, there was close. That's the one with Kelsey Grammer. Yes, yes, there we go.

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That's what I want more of, the story of someone's actual faith journey,
what actually happened.
And their life, their experiences communicate the message rather than like on
the nose, preachy, just caricatures of atheists,
treating them as the cause of atheism is like a dad that didn't love you,

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which is actually shockingly bad theology.
Like it's it's damaging theology to like
well if only he'd had a good dad then it like yeah and
and then in with the bad you know theology of it it becomes us versus them as
well yeah they got there because of the you know the bad dad but also we can't

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stand for that right you know but you see a movie like so jesus a revolution.
So what I did see was Case for Christ. So Lee Strobel's story.
I saw that movie. That's a great movie. And so that was one where I went,
this right here, this is it.
And you have this guy that was a journalist that was an atheist and starts researching

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Jesus and inherently has information to it, but really it's about this guy. Yeah.
And, you know, he's he's you're telling his story.
And actually, it's as an adaptation of the book.
It's not a great adaptation because it's very different.
But as a compliment, the two go really well together because one of them gives

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the personal testimony and the other one gives the actual case for Christ that
is in the book, the case for Christ. But once again, it's someone's personal story.
It's someone's lived truth.
And the gospel message, it's communicated through a person.
And that's what you want movies to do, is to communicate through story,
not by pausing to have characters lecture the audience, preach at the audience.

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And I mean, that's actually so much of what's wrong with Hollywood right now
is where people calling them out for having agendas and things like that.
Because so many movies, more and more and more, feel like they're pausing to
do their own version of that very different message than Christian movies.
But it's the same thing that makes Christian movies so often like,
you want to roll your eyes.
It's the same reason you want to roll your eyes at so many Hollywood movies

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where you're watching it and it's like, ah, that probably happened because of the patriarchy.
Like, what? No one talks like that. What are you doing?
Yeah. Yeah. Where, where you could say that that, that movie was so great.
And then it's their version of the old man who was a pastor who gives the message,
but for whatever it may be.
Yeah. I'm curious in the critic space, as someone who reviews the guys that

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you talk with in the critic world, do they ever say to you, Oh man,
that Jesus revolution was great.
Do you ever, does these, do those, any of those films ever pop up in a conversation
at all? How do they see those films?
I mean only only sound of freedom and that's because it was became this whole kind of,
movement and then it was it it wasn't directly faith-based it was trafficking

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based christian elements yeah so and you know that was angel studios acquiring a movie that,
fox had done and disney owned for years so it wasn't even that angel studios
had made it made it But Jesus movement, like that, just it's like they'll be
doing box office analysis and be what's this movie that made 50 million dollars?
Like it's it's a separate world.

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Yeah, that's we're all looking at the same box office charts.
And there's this movie that keeps making five million dollars for two months straight.
And so then it ends up being extremely profitable.
And like i'm going to church on sunday and i
feel as the guy that talks about movies i'm the weirdo that's out of the loop

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because i haven't seen it my pastor's talking about the story like and i've
was it greg laurie greg laurie yeah like i've read his books like i've read
like i uh his actual from years past on ministry and things like that but i
haven't seen the movie about him but.
It's a whole subculture that's by no means small.
It's gigantic and totally separate from the world of critics.

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And they treat it like, oh, that's their thing over there.
It's interesting because, yeah, I think you're right. I think some of it may
just be putting these films into context because it's who is the movie being made for?
Is it being made for a studio just making the most money possible?
Or is it for this group? And of course, that's not just Christian groups that do that.

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But like you go on, I feel like it's like Amazon or even some of the free streaming
services like Tubi or something.
If you want to dig in there, you will find some weird fringy stuff and that
are very like politically driven.
Like some some weirdo did a documentary on this person.
And then on the other side, it's on this candidate or that president or whatever.

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And they're just and it's weird stuff. But it panders to a certain crowd.
And I think that's that's where you have the God's not dead kind of things, too.
They know exactly who they're talking to. So it's more of a it's more of a rah-rah
thing for that crowd and knowing how to speak that language,
which is not a language that anybody else understands, not to mention that we're

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in a Christian radio station as we're recording this.
I mean, you can even talk about like how many Christian artists have actually
crossed over and how many times that, you know, in the nineties jars of clay
with flood a little bit DC talk with Jesus freak and then six pence, none the richer.
And, but like the number of artists that have crossed that, that gap and it's,

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it's otherwise it's generally its own kind of separate little industry.
Are you in this one over here or over here? And that's interesting.
So maybe this is the problem, part of the Christian sphere of movies.
Because in those cases, of all of those songs, Switchfoot's another example,
Bob Carla, Butterfly Kisses, and Amy Grant, all of them were...

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Michael W. Smith, I'll give you, if he's listening, there you go. Okay, Smitty.
Everybody, all those cases, they were considered, well, you're leaving Christian
music. Now you're no longer a believer.
So how dare you do that? And I feel like there's a concern, like there's Christian
movies out there. It could be a Christian film.
It could not be overtly. Maybe Sound of Freedom is one of those. I don't know.

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But the whole idea, well, that's not a Christian movie. They've left their faith.
How can they do that? They've watered down the message. passage they've they've
removed the christian from your christian movie in order to cross over.
That's that seems to be thinking about it all wrong and
and i can't believe it as christians because this is funny to me because we'll
talk about this about god's not dead movie he brought it up

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so we'll gotta say it like i have
to say to the to the christian audience i was actually let
down that the hercules gets
killed he's the atheist he's the
guy you want to see come to christ that's the hero movement
movement and yet he doesn't he doesn't know christ even at the end yeah and

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everyone's cheering god's not dead the atheist dies and everyone else goes to
a concert and celebrates yeah it celebrates that's like that's the wrong message
weird that's the wrong message and it got three more sequels like no i understand
why because the song's big increasingly,
combative sequels of like yes going to court like overtly like rage-fueled sequels

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yeah no No, that's exactly it.
And you start to, I mean, I don't want to walk too far down that path.
No, but. Because, but there is, there is this tie where a faith thing becomes
more of a movement thing, becomes more of a political thing.
And it all just kind of snowballs in a case like that.
I just think, I mean, if you're going to, let's, you know, there's a case for

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the Kendrick Brother movies.
There's a case where, okay, well, a sermon movie is better than that.
Right. I don't have cynicism towards Kendrick Brothers.
God's not dead. I go, something's not right here.
Like this, like I have this, this is doing damage with certain things in this.

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It probably did some good for some people, but there's a, that,
yeah, that us versus them, there's ideas in this.
There's some theology in this that you just go, these are bad ideas.
And this is, it feels like you're using outrage to sell movie tickets.
Absolutely. And that's not good.

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So I have a follower of mine that is a film student at Liberty.
Okay. And so all of her friends are Christian University wanting to make movies.
And, you know, all of them, interactions I've had with them,
I did a podcast like that with them.
They're all heading in the right direction. Like they want to tell stories from

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a Christian worldview. Yeah, like they have it right, but it's finding the opportunity to do that.
And I think that's what's so tough is that you you have the Christian market
wants you to pander to the Christian market.
It's like just spoon feeding Bible lessons to them.
Outrage like outrage with God's not dead. And then you have Hollywood,
which it's just so much of the worldview of Hollywood is so backwards and different

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from a Christian worldview.
And in just little ways that if you're from church world, you just notice things
really immediately in any Hollywood movie and with relationships and the order of things. Yeah.
There's a gap between those two things of like, if you can have someone over
here that can tell stories of actual grace that aren't designed to be preachy sermon illustrations,

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but they're just good movies with a different worldview, a different set of values.
I don't know what that looks like. We talked a little bit. I think this came
up and we have an episode a little while ago with Stars Go Dim,
Chris Cleveland, lead singer for Stars Go Dim.
And we talked about kind of the same thing, but in the Christian world.
Do we need to label music as Christian or secular?
And one of the examples I thought of a lot, even though there was other controversy

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with them, a guy like Thomas Kinkade, who's famously a Christian artist,
didn't paint Jesus or pastors. Or crosses. It was landscapes.
And there was nothing, nobody was ever looking at that and be like,
hmm, you know, I really wish you would paint Jesus more in that pasture or that sort of thing.
And so maybe another part of this is, as you're saying, it is difficult,

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I would imagine, for a filmmaker that really wants to share their faith and
share the gospel in a way that impacts,
but isn't pushing people away that don't understand it or are skeptical.
I feel like we could look at Jesus. He told stories all the time.
That's how he taught. And they were amazing stories.

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And they were not on the note. Sometimes his stories left the disciples scratching
their heads. Like, hold up, hold up.
Jesus, like, okay, again about the seeds on the ground and I'm who now?
And I think we miss that part. Because anytime it comes to these sort of things
about Christian culture, Christian media, I think everyone would have to agree

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if you're in these spaces. All right, well, let's go.
Where's our example going to come from? It's going to come from Jesus.
Why can't we take some notes from how Jesus told stories and apply them to how we tell stories?
That's good. You know, it's, it's, that's what the chosen is.
The chosen is excellent. I mean, have you, I'll ask you, have you guys watched the chosen?

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I haven't. I'm planning to with season four around the corner.
It's that's the one that I really feel almost foolish having not seen it.
So one of my good friends, YouTube friends, when we started around the same
time, met each other under a thousand subscribers, and he'd always leaned in

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the faith direction and like theological reviews. That was like his thing.
And but he had quite found exactly his path.
And then The Chosen came out and he was one of the early super fans of it,
was covering it before anyone else. And so Dallas saw his channel.

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I know who you're talking about. And so then-
He's like, I like your content and going into season three, they hire my friend
to run the official YouTube channel for the chosen. Yeah.
He's part of the show and they're back show.
Yeah. Yeah. What's his name again? Christopher Durbin. There you go.
Yeah. Like shout out to user met him in 2016. Right.

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When I started my YouTube channel, he's one of the first people I met and like,
was he like even trying to guide him and coach him in like right before the chosen stuff went down.
And I was like, man, I think you should lean and like go in the faith based
direction because that's what you're passionate about. That's what you're good at.
Yeah. And so like he, I know a guy that's literally on set every day.

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And then one of the groomsmen for my wedding is another big fan of it.
Who's been an extra in several different episodes. You've never seen it and
I haven't seen any and it's just like what because I get maybe I get that sense
because you watch 400 movies That's but that's true.
Like it is some of it's a matter of Story.

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Spoilers pastor kids before I got I got this. Yeah, you know then that's the
thing the Jesus that is portrayed on there is Is what you read in the Bible.
That's what I think is what makes it engaging.
It's just about story. When people get away from that agenda stuff.
I have to go back. Excuse me.
Like, I think the sermon ideas of films. Those are the hard ones to invite people to.

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Yeah. Yeah. Because you want to go to a movie that's exciting. Like, how many of you.
I'm trying to think of a recent film that was like Godzilla minus one.
Like, you want to go with your friends. Like, whoa, let's check this out together.
It's exciting film but then you say hey let's go see this movie called overcomer it's about,
it's running and it's overcoming your faith with the

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problems in life and jesus i mean like
like when fireproof came out people would be like i think this movie could really
help you the guy is struggling with pornography like yeah and it's what are
you saying right it's a kirk cameron movie let's let's yeah you and your wife
need to watch this and it's almost like feels like are What are you accusing me of right now? Right.

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Yeah, it's like handing somebody a track, you know, that says,
you messed up, read this.
How do Christian films get to that level? I've literally been in settings where
that exact thing happened, where someone presented it like that.
And as soon as the presenter left the room, the person was like,
they literally were like,

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did they get this to me because of this this and that like what
is kind of going on here uh and
they actually like took it as like an offense yeah um
even like they weren't like mad they weren't like looking to be offended but
it was like like i'm a person what are you doing yeah but exactly they're they're
designed to preach to the choir yeah and the choir will support them and cheer

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them on and i think there's it's just when there's that disconnect you're not
realizing Realizing maybe,
and I, I being so entrenched in the Christian culture for most of my childhood,
I guess I could kind of get it because when you, when you don't see anything
else, you don't understand how other people view the world right or wrong.
You just think these are all, this all makes perfect sense, you know,

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because you're in such the resounding echo chamber that sometimes I think people
don't really acknowledge that.
That and i think a people i think filmmakers christian filmmakers
have forgotten that there's normal people out there
i mean there's like christians are
normal people we're not just you know stuck
just reading the bible going to church every day i bring that up

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because there was a film that came out when i was graduating high
school called extreme days yes if
you've seen the movie this is this movie it's
actually it's made by his name is escaping me
but he's george lucas's best best friend um he's a
producer and on return of the jedi empire strikes
back former former president of lucasfilm sorry sir

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if you're listening but that whole movie has only
one line about christ and it says it's one
of my favorite theme lines if god throws you a
curveball don't duck you might just miss something and it's
about these guys going across the the western coast of
from california all the way up to kind of a buddy comedy type yeah
yeah and and it's about out getting the girl at the end and and

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you know finding who you are as a young adult the whole
thing has like you know guys farting on
the side of a campfire playing paintball while
skiing and snowboarding i mean this is just classic cinema yeah great cinema
there's it's probably in my top three of all time a favorite film and as really
yeah oh i didn't realize it was that high it's it's it's great man it's so good

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and i was about to dunk on it no no you can't you can't i know No, it seems bad,
but you know, we all have these, these movies, but that's just a movie.
It was just about what, you know, about young Christian men.
I found encouragement in that. So I ask you, Sean, and I'll ask you Matt too,
is there a movie that you guys watched?
That's not a Christian film that you found encouragement and you're like,

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ah, well, I found some Christian beliefs in this, like, like,
wow, there's some Christian values in that.
Well one that one that immediately comes to mind have you guys seen ted lasso
uh yeah i watched the first season i haven't seen anything past the first season
although almost everybody might
as well stop right there i've heard that tells me about it constantly.

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I mean, I think the first season is, like, top five greatest seasons of television
ever. Wow. It's pretty good.
And a lot of it kind of comes down, like, it's tough to go into without spoiling things.
Okay. But essentially, there's a deception and betrayal throughout the course
of the season with a character that very clearly does something bad and actively

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chooses to continue down that path.
And the actual confrontation when
this is kind of revealed and you're kind
of like what's going to happen when everyone finds out and like
it's maybe the best representation of
of grace that i've seen in holly something
from hollywood that's a great example couldn't without.

(35:28):
Spoiling and it's like a show that very crass
like it's not at all and we would
you would not in any way look at it as this you know christian
show at any any way at all but in the midst of
it you have this moment where you go that that
is what what grace is right there that's that's grace
yeah it was just remarkable what what

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they were able to do and it to an
extent it's like maybe it should have just been this one season because
you just used such strong stuff
right here that there's there's nowhere else really to go you've already
peaked you did it so ted lasso yeah i
don't know if this sounds on the nose or not
but it was a movie that i remember for like two weeks afterwards just sat with

(36:16):
me and it's very rare if ever do i sit and contemplate something it was built
a book of eli and specifically i mean there's a couple of spoiler things i won't
spoil the biggest one one of them.
But you find out pretty early on he's carrying the Bible through this movie.
And there was something about that. I think that maybe not even until the next

(36:39):
day or so, I started thinking about he's defending this thing.
That's the most important to him because of needing to carry on.
And there was a part of me, I think that was like, how willing am I to defend what I believe?
And I don't mean that defensive, but I mean, do I hang on as tightly as that guy was?

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And sure, he was cutting off limbs and, you know, doing stuff like that.
But I do very clearly remember just how it made me think, whether that was intended
or not, how I carry my faith and evaluate, am I doing it well?
Am I holding it too loosely? And that kind of thing.
So yeah, that stood out to me for sure. For some reason, I think the matrix.

(37:24):
Oh, sure. Because, you know, Morpheus means God, God, Neo, means savior,
then there's the girl Trinity, and at the end, his resurrection.
If I spoil it, if you haven't seen the Matrix, then that's your fault.
But i remember when that came out everybody in uh
25 years old quarter of a century is that

(37:45):
how long ago it is 99 why'd you have to go and do
that how do you guys say things we're old man we are extreme in
age now man i'm 44 i'm gonna call myself out on that how old are you 25 42 dang
i'm so old 43 i'm the young one in the room yes so often i'm i'm the oldest
in the room I'm in the YouTube space. Yeah, this is in the YouTube space.

(38:08):
Yeah, I'm the old guy. This is the podcast space, and you're the old dude.
Yeah, and Aaron is clearly the oldest. Yeah. So, yes, you're good. We're both good.
Back in my day when The Matrix was around.
They used all these cameras to get this cool shot.
All right, so what would you say, I mean, even as of this recording,
I know you're interacting with some other YouTubers, you're around some awards stuff.

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Let's say you have the opportunity, a bunch of influential, So movie producers
are all sitting there and they want to hear.
What do you tell them if they're like, what do we do for the faith audience?
Like what advice would you give or correction or like what, how would you approach it?
I mean, I think there's a lot of things that you could do with that.

(38:54):
The immediate one that comes to mind is you think back 10 years ago,
they put out a couple of these massive, huge budget biblical epics.
Aaron Aronofsky's Noah. Yeah.
Ridley Scott's. Gods and Kings and whatever that one was.
Christian Bale's movie. And so you have an atheist make a movie out of Noah,

(39:16):
but openly an atheist. Yeah.
As it turns out, he did not make a very faithful adaptation.
It did not appear to capture the right energy.
And it made Hollywood upset. They were like, well, we're not going to make any of this.
Yeah, they make a movie that they make an IP movie out of the Bible that they

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put millions of dollars behind adapting part of the best selling book of all time.
And they give it to someone that fundamentally rejects the entire concept of it.
Yeah. Huh. I wonder why that went wrong. And then, you know,
of course, they do Ridley Scott. I don't know his exact belief systems.
No reason to believe that he firmly believes in any of the the events of Exodus.

(39:59):
Right and they have him make an adaptation of Exodus as you go.
Well, who was who was was this for like who on earth?
Once this who's the person that like well, I'm a godless pagan I'm a deeply
atheistic, but I really want an adaptation of part of the Bible.
Like I don't even understand the concept who is this for that you would like

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here's a hundred million dollars to do that Yeah, when you stop and think,
How many Christians are on the earth? Billions.
That's the part that I just didn't fathom. You just make an adaptation that's faithful. Sure.
It brings people. It's the same thing with Marvel.

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You make an adaptation that's faithful to the book, to the comics,
and people have shown up for those.
But even we can go back 20 years. Passion of the Christ.
Mel Gibson does the self-funded version. And there's a little bit of like his
version of Catholicism blended into there, but it's, it's enough on that level

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of anyone that's has their faith in Jesus.
Almost anyone could watch this and be like, yeah, this is a very harrowing experience to view this.
And it, it makes hundreds of millions of dollars and it, it's feels very crass
to talk about the box office performance.
Right. But to the question of, if you're talking to Hollywood,

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what would it take to like really
kind of tap into the Christian audience that's out there? Well, yeah.
Stop giving Bible stories to atheists. It's not terribly difficult.
I mean, right off the bat, you could just do that.
So last night I got to town and there was nothing to do.

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And I went to a secret, you didn't know what movie you were seeing at AMC,
and it was the Book of Clarence.
Oh, that's the upcoming film about Christ, during Christ's time.
But it's, it's like with all black cast.
It's all black cast. and it's essentially the Clarence is the twin brother of Doubting Thomas.

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I actually don't like the phrase Doubting Thomas because everyone else doubted
too. Everyone else needed to see first.
So I think that he's been unfairly labeled, but just Doubting Thomas is his brother.
And I went into it when it started and realized that's the movie I was watching,
assuming I was going to be offended by it.
And I wasn't nearly as offended as I was expecting. it's not

(42:30):
really blasphemous it's just heretical because
it's soaked in gnosticism it's like
a like i don't know the background of the guy that wrote it
or anything like that but like it it's it's all about secret knowledge revealing
secret knowledge and they have all these anecdotes about jesus that are from
the gospel of thomas the infancy gospel of thomas and so like it's stuff You

(42:57):
wouldn't know that unless,
like, who studies Gnosticism? I just happen to have a degree in Bible.
That's how you know. But, like, once again, like, we make a movie that's probably
the most, in a lot of senses, the most pro-Jesus.
It's very weird, because there's a scene where there's smoke and weed,
and they're, like, floating, and then later on, but all throughout the movie,

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it's built on the premise that
Jesus is the Messiah. Like, that's the foundational truth of the movie.
The reason that it's, like, condemning what Clarence is doing in a lot of it is because, like...
It keeps going back to, no, Jesus is the real deal. Everything he's doing,
he's a good, it never, like, it actually, it was very, very strange film.
Still pro-Jesus, but theologically not so. Gnostic. Yeah.

(43:42):
Interesting. So it was so strange, because, like, watching a movie,
like, I'm prepped to be offended, prepped to be, like, a blasphemer.
It was like, it's not what I was expecting.
But it's, there's a big issue here. There's many issues here,
but very different from what I was expecting.
It was such an odd experience that the time where my degrees and all these books

(44:05):
that I read back in 2007 are really helpful while reviewing this movie. This is interesting.
We'll put you on the spot because this movie will be out by the time this airs,
but this will be the first time anybody you've ever said it.
How would you rate the film?
Oh, man. I've been thinking about that. I don't know.
Well, however you review it, you should say that I've read these books.

(44:28):
Yes. As someone that has read many books on the different or the canonicity
of the scripture and thus why certain ones are canon, certain gospels of canon
and which ones are apocryphal. Yeah.
Thus had a great deal of context for much of this film.
I don't know, like right in that, that mixed middle of the road category,

(44:50):
because it was thought provoking. It could be really funny.
It was deeply emotionally resonant. I just don't know what the point was.
Like you're, you're calling on such vivid, profound imagery for religious people.
And you did find a way to do it to where like, and I'm, I can be pretty sensitive
to, for obvious reasons of like, if you evoke the cross. Yeah. Yeah, that's that.

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And they did it in a context where it wasn't in any like diminishing Jesus.
It was the last temptation of Christ. Yeah, it wasn't last temptation of Christ.
It wasn't like Judas is actually, you know, he was trying to help Jesus and
it wasn't it wasn't that stuff.
It wasn't trying to convert.
It wasn't trying to make Jesus in our image at all. Yeah. It kept him as Jesus.

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But I just don't know why we're making a movie where there's literally the guys
is there's smoke and weed and there's like people like floating in the air.
There's floating. And it's just like out of the people are floating while they're doing this.
And they're like, we need to brainstorm an idea. And that's where he has like
a light bulb appears above his head.

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And he realized, I'll be a fake Messiah and make money.
And that's kind of what the plot of the movie is, is that he's kind of the,
you know, original swindling creature. Has it come to Jesus?
And then so you have that. And then by the end of it, we're crucifying him.
And you go, well, that's a shift.

(46:23):
That's a bit of a tonal shift right there. And what does the crucifix,
like extraordinarily weighty and heavy as it does it.
And so it was like emotionally potent. I just don't know why we're doing this.
I don't know what I was supposed to, like, why?
That's what I just kept thinking. It sounds like whenever people that aren't

(46:44):
believers that make movies, I mean, I don't know the filmmaker of that, but.
Yeah, and maybe this is too, I don't know, a sweeping of a generalization,
but it kind of sounds like through all this, you have two glaring problems.
You have, like what you just said, industry that knows there is money in the
Christian market and they do it that way.
But for whatever reason, taking people that don't believe anything about it

(47:07):
to create it on the Christian side, you have people who I really believe oftentimes
are very passionate about it.
And this is their way of sharing their faith, but sometimes have really no reason to be involved in film.
Right. You know, and so I think it's why are we not finding something that meets

(47:27):
in the middle? Well, there's I've heard a couple of times from Ralph Winter,
who's an outspoken Christian and the movie producer.
He did like the old X-Men movies, the first, you know, one, two, three or whatever.
And he's been at different faith based conventions. I've been at speaking about
faith and Christianity in Hollywood and stuff like that.
Now, I don't know if he would be considered old guard today or not.

(47:48):
But where, you know, where can we find that maybe more in the rest of it? The directors.
We've had Brenda Garcia, who is a professional stuntwoman who's been in major
franchises on the show with us. And she talks a little bit about that, too.
She's going, I mean, she's making a living. She's doing her job.
She's not shy about her faith, but she's also not saying she didn't avoid the

(48:12):
latest Fast movie because it didn't have a scriptural message. message.
And so, I mean, if you're going to avoid it, there's probably other reasons for that.
But, but there's gotta be a way, you know, when you see this in other stuff too,
on our side, sometimes we'll, we could do interviews or asked for interviews
and it could be an author or an artist who is real passionate and maybe really

(48:38):
does have a calling on their life to do that thing,
but they haven't put in the time for the craft and the song just just isn't
good. The book is not well-written.
Those kinds of things doesn't necessarily mean they're wrong,
but maybe not achieving what they wanted to, or a patience issue where oftentimes in faith,
we don't like to put in the time that God may be asking us to put in to achieve

(49:01):
what he's calling us to do. You know, maybe it's something in there.
I mean, so that's, you know, that's means unity. I think this is a great way.
If you're, if you're a Christian filmmaker, why don't they just get together with be willing?
I mean, I believe that they are Be willing to just get more into the Hollywood sphere and say hey.
Let's do this. Let's combine. Let's get together and do that.
I'm curious for you, Sean, now that we've had this conversation,

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will you watch more than just a handful of Christian movies this next year?
Some of it, I just need to know what, I just don't know what's coming out.
I touched on this earlier, but I don't know what's the one worth seeing until it's too late, usually.
And that's just such a big part of the problem. If I knew this is going to be

(49:44):
the better one, this is the one that's...
I'll give you three that I'm aware of. Okay. The Chosen, because it's going
to be in theaters. It'll be in theaters. So there you go.
Obviously, Unsung Hero. So for us, Afternoon Joyride, we have On Life FM, For King and Country.
It's a song based off of Rebecca St. James and her family and For King and Country and them.

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But the last one is one, it's The Greatest Christmas Pageant Ever Made.
Is that the name of that book? The Greatest Christmas Pageant Ever?
Ever? Is that what it is? I forget. I've, I've read it for my whole life and
I don't remember. That will be coming out in Christmas. Yeah. Obviously.
I would, I will stand behind Unsung Hero as well. I had the chance to see that early.

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There was a screening with, for King and Country and they, I was surprised because
I kind of have this thing when it comes to Christian film also,
it's like, why does it always have to be a drama or a sports drama? And then that's all.
Yeah, it's true. That could be maybe another topic.
And so I kind of went in like, I mean, I love this band. I love it, whatever.
I was really surprised how well it pulls out the emotions.

(50:52):
I mean, maybe a part of it is the dad perspective because a big part of it is
it's the dad trying to make ends meet for his family and where that's fallen
short and where he's fallen short and stuff like that.
And when I say it out loud like that, it doesn't sound that exciting at all.
But those guys are really good at the way they move the story.

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You know, some of these, even Jesus Revolution, which I really liked as a film,
had parts that just felt like, okay, move the story along.
We're just sitting here. This one doesn't do that.
It moves. It connects to you. It isn't preachy. And it certainly still has values
I think we can connect with.
So I would definitely say that's going to be worth it.
Hmm i think in the end christian films i mean again we don't want to just dog on them but.

(51:38):
There's there's certainly room man you are so
right though editing they are horrible editing christian films
like there are so many long pauses stop that
yeah yeah stop that it's okay to use
your gift for the gospel in the editing room that's why i like extreme
days there's none of that none of that i had
one more thought yeah i was thinking on hollywood producers

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producers what could they do uh because like
i i don't think it's has to
be this kind of overt grand gesture of this thing but of what
we need a movie that is a christian movie put out by hollywood i think that
violates the premise i think some of it is just writing christian characters
and movies that come off like actual christian characters yeah great point if

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you just stop and think how many times a christian character in a movie feels
like a christian that you know Yeah,
you know it yeah, and I think so that's why Jesus Revolution resonated Yes,
there are some parts that dragged a little bit, but it resonated because there's
moments and there's this great It's like halfway through the film,
Then the church does the one thing in the movie that we've seen in and what

(52:42):
will we'll have conversations about this all the time Why the church itself?
Hurts other Christians. Yeah, and they went that they went there Yeah,
that's a real story between Chuck Smith and Greg Laurie but they
showed it and i think it was more relatable and people
could relate to that i think you're right i mean
just think about just simple things of whenever they

(53:05):
go to church in a in a movie it always like i've never been to that church i
don't think those churches exist and the guy it's like the methodist preacher
in the collar um this very everyone's in pews and it's like you've preached
on on stage what do you what do you wear when you preach on stage My jeans,
my preaching boots, as the worship pastor at the time called them, my preaching boots.

(53:31):
Probably a button-up shirt but sometimes i've just done
like a v-neck there you go like just nothing
that's it like the dress code
like the band like it's just there's it's nothing
like it presented there that's it's like a it's like
a it feels so often like hollywood is so detached from church world that all

(53:56):
they have are these stereotypes from 50 years ago yeah from 1940s yeah and it
is and so then well they you know they're in texas so they go to church.
And then they have an image and you're like wow that's not
what that is the steeple everybody's got these long wooden pews
this put a scene in my head there was a movie
very low budget by the author frank peretti who i

(54:17):
love frank peretti but he had done it was like some youth-based
books i can't remember the name but they did a film on one of them we watched
it and one of the main main characters is this goth kid and he just plays all
the stereotypes of the goth kid the look the chain the black i know you're talking
about the movies in green it's like the green covers yeah i think so i think
so and the end of the film i i couldn't even tell you the story.

(54:40):
But he comes to know jesus the first time
we see him after we found out he came to know jesus he's
no longer in god what is he wearing yeah he i think he's wearing
a button up i'm pretty sure he had khakis on oh good like a good christian boy
it's like what in the world right guys what is this actually communicating right
right yeah and and so that's like i saw a movie a couple or about a month back

(55:04):
that really bothered me it's called joy ride it's like a raunchy comedy.
Yeah this past summer okay and no relation to the show yes that's a good point
you guys hear raunchy comic wait
the paul walker movies joy right a little different that's a lot better,
and there's a christian character and

(55:25):
there's a there's a christian guy dating a
girl who's pretending to be christian to be able to date the
good christian hot christian guy and so
whenever they're around each other that like the whole
base of their christianity is like well we have to
leave room for jesus that like that's it it's like
just like a silly cliche cliche and you
get to the the end of the movie and it's the the punch line is

(55:48):
basically that they're all hypocrites it's superficial and
like and like it was actively
something that like was offensive to me because it was
presenting christians as just superficial hypocritical
dummies yeah and i don't even think that they even meant it that like it's a
r-rated comedy it's supposed to be offensive but like it like it was just in

(56:10):
this way that was just so flippantly like i don't feel like you've actually
talk to a Christian in 30 years.
And that for me, like when I look at Hollywood.
That's so much of it. I don't see the world like my world is two worlds,
church world and then movie world and film Twitter world and all.

(56:32):
And I don't see the this existence of my day to day life in Texas in these movies.
Movies and it's fascinating that and on the one hand people would say that you know,
like it feels like almost everyone feels like
they're underrepresented but if you stop and think like when is there an accurate

(56:55):
representation of a christian in a movie yeah yeah besides the ones that are
like super over preachy yeah yeah they kind of get it they either play up the
hypocrite or they play up the pious yeah right or maybe both maybe And they
talk like a cliche pastor.
They don't talk like a human. They talk in, like the recent Exorcist movie that

(57:17):
came out, and there's a Christian pastor in it.
And he talks like, it's like he's in sermon mode all the time.
Like, dude, you realize that peaches are humans, right?
They get off stage and they don't keep talking like this and waving their hands.
Actually, I meant we're in this podcast space. I'm still waving my hands.
I haven't stopped. But it's like they don't even know that they're humans.

(57:39):
They think that they're characters. They're just, they speak in like this different
cadence with this different vocabulary. Yeah.
Where did, but that's so true because, so working in broadcasting for,
for the longest time, I thought I had to act, sound like that in the,

(57:59):
in the real world as well.
Once I got on television, you can go back and watch old video of me.
I'm like this and I'm going to talk very specifically.
I've done that. And then I would inadvertently do that in, in real life.
And then down the road to realize that's what, that's not who you are.
Yeah. And yeah, it's just more of a wake-up call.

(58:19):
Of course, Hollywood has its own problems already with wake-up calls,
like how much they've spent on the movie anyway.
It just made me think of, especially in our world, radio world,
where we announce a concert or something, how long I would do stuff which is
just repeating what every other concert MC has ever done. What's up, Bakersfield?
Or it's like, you know, let's make some noise.

(58:43):
Who's excited tonight? night and and it but
it's kind of funny because you all you're doing in that
moment is just repeating something you're not being you you're not being
genuine and it's kind of a
similar thing that's happening maybe for different reasons but well
it branches off why reality television has done so well why you do youtube your
your job and essential is reality tv and you're just being you that's why it

(59:07):
takes off i think hollywood forgets like this this is how people are yeah I
think the best example I've seen of recent for like a Christian,
like example was something I was shocked by was Disney show, American born Chinese.
Oh yeah. They, they portray this, the, the Asian family they follow as a Christian
family and which ironically, cause it has a lot of not like mystic stuff,

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nothing to do with Christianity, but the family has it.
And when they went to the church aspect, it was accurate.
I thought that's what it seemed like. I forgot about that. I loved that.
And I thought that was, I thought that was pretty good. I was like,
wow, I'm, I'm shocked by this.
Exactly. It's shocking. If you watch something and you see the like,
like as per percentages, Christians are a large percentage in the United States.

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It kept me watching. It kept me watching that because of that.
And maybe I missed it, but you take something where they were played like real people.
I didn't see the Christian world or really any other, not that I've seen it
all, all, but upset about any of this one way or another, you know,
like it was just people like, oh yeah, they seem like real people.
Nobody cared to, you know, get all worked up.

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There it is. Well, well, American, American, you've seen it,
I guess I take it. No, no. Oh, there you go. I know you're big in the martial arts.
That's one you should watch. Interesting. Oh man. Well, next podcast,
we are talking all martial arts films. Donnie.
Donnie. Oh my gosh. I'll tell you about the time I met Donnie,
but for now, Sean, thanks man.

(01:00:41):
Thanks for taking the time to come by the studio for joining us again. This is a lot of fun.
Yeah. I'm staying in town at actually apparently a haunted hotel.
Yeah. at the Padre Hotel.
So having an adventure tonight to be a part of this podcast.
You have to stay up the whole night. If you close your eyes,
you're never coming back.
Well, our morning host, John, is also an ordained pastor. So if anything goes

(01:01:04):
awry, we'll just... Excellent.
We've got a plan. By the way, you can catch out, you can catch Sean,
Sean Chandler, on Sean Chandler YouTube.
Sean Chandler Plus, his other channel. Where else can we find?
Facebook, Sean Chandler?
Yeah, it's just, if you search Sean Chandler on most of the
deals you'll either find an nfl player or a guy talking about
movies it's the guy talking about movies do

(01:01:26):
you know about nfl do you know what that is national football
league well done okay you could do both i could i could i'm uh and i i will
say this just as a plug for sean also because i aaron i think you first introduced
me you were telling me about sean and some of the reviews and i these days for
a number of reasons i don't watch much reviews or critics at all i I got burned on all that stuff.

(01:01:48):
So I was surprised when I watched like, oh, he's he's like sensible.
And actually, yeah, I enjoy this.
So if you're a movie person out there like we are and you're kind of tired of
because not only can movies have agendas, so can critics and so can reviewers.
And I love the way that you present stuff just as like that.

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Was good or this wasn't good and here's here's kind of why it's never
on the attack it's it's practical and
unassuming and i think that's needed so appreciate that
yeah i appreciate you saying that that's uh what i'm trying
to do and i love movies and so yeah i
don't want to be focused on the negative like some people do and
movies are like meant to be an escape yeah so

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often and so many people want to use them
as like a just a reflection of reality and they want to inject checked
that into their reviews and it's like you know when
i go to the movie about the the robots blowing up the buildings yeah
i'm trying to escape i've got enough drama in
real life i don't need to bring it into the if there were robots and the buildings
exploded i'm happy yeah yeah christians make that movie yeah you can make that

(01:02:54):
where's the christian christian robots yes and then we can discuss the do robots
have souls and what is the theological implications of that and through Through that discussion,
we're able to learn more about ourselves.
That's the Will Smith sequel of iRobot right there. There we go.
I don't think that one's going to happen.
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