Paranormal Tales with Paranormal Coffee- Guests Brad and Brian

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Episode Transcript

Speaker A (00:12):
Spooky friends, this is John, your host for the Paranormal podcast Dairyland
Frights.
That covers everything spooky, creepy, and
mysterious in the midwest.
And today, guys, I'm throwing you a little bit
of a curveball, but a spooky curveball using abaseball term.
I have Brian and Brad from paranormal coffee.

(00:45):
Welcome, Brian and Brad.

Speaker B (00:46):
Thank you.
Appreciate it.
Thank you.

Speaker C (00:48):
How are you?

Speaker A (00:50):
Great.
And the reason I say it, throwing a curveball,
because usually I have paranormalinvestigators.
I have, you know, authors, I have witches, Ihave all these different people.
I've never had paranormal people who makecoffee.
So this is great.
This is awesome.
So really one of the main things, and I'veinterviewed a number of paranormal

(01:12):
investigators, they get tired, right, guys?They've been out there all night, all day.
They're long nights.
Hey, man, I need a little caffeine to pet me
up and get me going again.
Give me right back out until I want to do that
investigation, not fall asleep in the car.
So here's my first question is, why did you

(01:35):
guys start paranormal coffee?What was the, you know, the reasoning or the,
you know, the way you wanted to start it?

Speaker C (01:42):
Well, the story kind of.
Well, we started with.
Brian was in visiting where I am in.

Speaker A (01:49):
I'm at.

Speaker C (01:50):
We are.
I'm in a little town in western New York,
right outside Hinsdale, if you know the name.
We've got the Hinsdale house.
It's quite a. What's that?

Speaker A (02:01):
I said, oh, yeah, I'm very familiar with that.
Yeah.

Speaker C (02:04):
So we were out visiting that, and that was fresh in our minds.
And a week or so later, he left.
And I was walking through the grocery store,
walking down the craft beer aisle, and like,wow, look.
Every one of these labels is colorful and justfun, and everyone has a story and just real

(02:25):
exciting to look at.
A couple aisles later, I turned and walking
down the coffee aisle like, this is boring.
There's, like, nothing here.
No stories of just, like, folgers and one ortwo other things.
And this was before black rifle or anythinglike that was on the shelves.
So kind of had that in the back of my mind.

(02:45):
And my commute to work is about an hour
through the middle of nowhere, so I don't geta whole lot of cell phone signal or anything
else.
So I got too much time to think.
And for some reason, I thought it would befunny if a medium drank medium roast coffee.
So a couple miles down the road, then just thename paranormal coffee came to my head and

(03:11):
just all went downhill from there.
We just brainstorming and fun stuff and talked
to Brian, and we got moving on it.

Speaker A (03:18):
Yeah. So, Brian, what can you add to that?
What did you think when brad came to you?You say you're crazy.
I don't know what's going on with you.

Speaker B (03:27):
Well, it wasn't even so we really didn't have any conversation about it.
When we went to see the Hinsdale house, and wedidn't actually go into the house.
We just, we drove, we punched it into the gps,drove into the parking lot.
Seen it.
I personally had never heard about it up to
that point.
Since then, I've watched many investigations

(03:47):
that go in there, but we seen it.
We talked about, talked about the house, and
then I'm home a couple of weeks later.
What do you think about doing a coffee
company?And this was probably November timeframe, and
our goal was, let's get it started by thefirst of the year.
You know, between now and then, we'll, youknow, get the legwork down.

(04:11):
We'll get a started.
So I had access to a little bit of seed money
that I was able to get us kind of off theground with just all the initial costs that it
takes to get licensing and llcs and all thatstuff set up.

Speaker A (04:26):
Yeah.

Speaker B (04:26):
And I said, listen, you're the business person.
I've just been, you know, I'm just a knuckledragging contractor.
I've been working overseas for a bunch ofyears.
I'm very familiar with coffee because it's theonly thing that got me through, you know, ten
years in Iraq.
So I said, you know, if you want to run with

(04:48):
it 100%, you know, behind you, and let's justbounce ideas off.
And we kind of started off with one or twolabels, and that quickly grew into, you know
what?We probably have six or eight labels now.

Speaker A (05:04):
Yeah.

Speaker B (05:05):
With, with more ideas coming.
And it was just some fun stuff.
We would come up with a name, and we're like,okay, that's a cool name.
How can we put a label to encompass that name,you know, and as small as the world is or has
luck would have it, one of Brad's neighbors isa graphic designer, and he brought her into

(05:28):
the mix and said, well, this is, this is ouridea.
How can you put this, this name and this idea,you know, onto a label?

Speaker A (05:36):
Yeah, absolutely.
Now, when you guys were starting out, like,
how did you start out?Did you just call coffee makers?
Or, like, did you make your own?Or did you call local shops?
How did you get this all started?

Speaker C (05:52):
I ended up, I found a roaster out of California that does full roasting.
So it just came down to marketing and the salemarketing and the sales end of it and getting
word out and trying to figure out how to bestget us top of mind and into the anything

(06:13):
paranormal market.

Speaker A (06:15):
Yeah.

Speaker B (06:16):
And that was kind of what got me on board with it was he found a roaster out in
Temecula, California, and they do small batch,basically made to order roast.
So you don't have, and we don't have producton the shelves or even in the home stockpiled.
It's when you go online, you order, you gothrough Amazon and order or on the website and

(06:41):
order it's made or ground when you order it.
So before the coffee ever reaches room
temperature, it's bagged and it's ready to beshipped.

Speaker A (06:51):
Nice.

Speaker B (06:52):
So it's not really boutique coffee, but it is definitely fresher than what you
would find sitting on a show for, you know,four weeks before.

Speaker A (07:03):
Yeah. So that leads me to my next question.
What makes paranormal coffee different fromother coffee brands?

Speaker C (07:10):
It's that small batch fresh roast to order with.
Coffee is a very complex product.
And as soon as it comes off the roaster,
you've got all sorts of organic compounds andanything flavorful, it gases off.
It's constantly gassing off.

(07:31):
And the sooner you get it from the roaster,
the more flavor and aroma and just goodnessthat's in it.
That, like any of these grocery store shelfcoffees, they've been sitting, they've been
sitting in warehouses and on trucks and onshelves for sick four, six, eight months

(07:54):
before you ever see it.
So you lose all that, go around telling
everybody it's bag tagged and shipped to yourdoorstep before it reaches room temperature.

Speaker A (08:03):
Yeah, that is, that is often awesome because that is freshness, right?
That you want to have rather than, you know,the good old days when my mom had Sanka.
Do you guys remember Sanka?

Speaker B (08:15):
You always.

Speaker A (08:17):
Yeah.

Speaker B (08:18):
I can't tell you what it tastes like, but I do know the can.

Speaker A (08:21):
Oh, yeah.
I made a mistake when I was 16, trying to be a
big man.
I was gonna have some coffee in the morning,
right.
Took the Sanka.
I know.
I'm really dating myself here, guys.
Take out the sanka, made the coffee, I spit itout the sink.
This is the worst.

Speaker B (08:39):
The one thing that I can say that this coffee does have or doesn't have is the
acidic taste that you would get or the, youknow, the.

Speaker A (08:49):
Oh, sure.

Speaker B (08:50):
Uh, that's, I mean, not, not to name other brands, but some of the more
popular, some of the giant popular brands outthere that out that I would drink that we
would have them overseas all the time.
I got heartburn all the time.
To me, not knowing that's just what it is.
When you.
When you drink coffee at night before you goto work, you're going to have some heartburn.

Speaker A (09:09):
Yeah, absolutely.

Speaker B (09:11):
These, I'm not, I'm not the chemist, I'm not the coffee guru, but this
stuff, I don't know if it's the freshroastness, but it doesn't give you, there's no
acidity to it at all.
Very smooth.
Doesn't matter if it's the, you know, thelighter roast.
I prefer the dark roast.
I've always liked dark roast coffee.
No acidity.

(09:31):
No, no acid reflux or any issues.

Speaker A (09:34):
I love that.
That is something that I know when I drink
coffee is very important to me that I justhaven't had.
You know, it's hard to find sometimes, youknow what I mean?
And, you know, you go some places and you trytheir coffee, it's like it's hit or miss,
right?You're kind of like, it's russian roulette
with coffee.

(09:55):
You know, what am I gonna get, you know?
So I have to ask, which flavor is yourfavorite, guys?
Brad, what is.
What the.

Speaker C (10:06):
I'm a nightmare fuel guy.

Speaker B (10:08):
Nice.

Speaker C (10:09):
The darker the better.

Speaker B (10:10):
Yep.

Speaker A (10:11):
Nice, Brian.

Speaker B (10:12):
So that's the italian blend, and I like, I like that one because I had a lot of
input design in the label, and it's probablymy favorite label is the nightmare fuel.
The one that I have this, you know, I get omencomes to the house every week.
That's the one that we get.

(10:32):
That's the one that we've been using.
You know, we'll take it traveling with us tomake it in hotels when we're, when we're out.
That's.
That's my subscription flavor right there.

Speaker A (10:44):
I love it.
And I. Yeah.
Oh, go ahead.
I'm sorry.

Speaker B (10:47):
No, I was gonna say I will probably pick up before too long.
I don't know why I don't have them sitting onthe shelf now.
But the espresso 51 is also really good.
I like the espresso one.

Speaker A (11:02):
By the way, guys, I love your names.
Check out some of the names here, my spookyfriends.
And please go to the site.
I will put that, all their links on when the
episode drops so you'll be able to check itout.
I love omen.
Clairvoyant, nightmare fuel.
I love mischievous Wiccan espresso radio.

(11:23):
What is it.
Espresso radioactive zone 51.
Yes.
Thank you.
Thank you.
I'm sorry.
I'm looking at this on my yeti code brew sans
which that has a tie.
Little teaser has a little tie in in today's
episode and Shadow Jack.
Pumpkin spice, guys, they got you into the

(11:45):
pumpkin.
I thought you wouldn't do pumpkin.
Everyone does.
But no, I get.

Speaker B (11:49):
I'll have to.
It is.
It's not my favorite.
We picked it up last season because we're
like, all right, we'll offer it.
To me, the pumpkin spice coffee is probably
more of what a creamer flavor should do thanthe coffee flavor, I think.
I can't say that's our best, our best label.

Speaker A (12:09):
Well, sure, sure.
So let me ask you this.
What surprised you, Brian and Brad, the mostwhen you started this and what was kind of a
nice, like, oh, that worked out, you know.
So let's start with the first question.
Like, what really surprised you when youstarted this?
You're like, I didn't know that was going towork like that so much.

Speaker C (12:29):
For me doing the, a lot of the reach out and working on the marketing and the
sales are just.
It was a lot more difficult than I thought it
was going to be.
And.
But now of, I think I've captured a few ideasand systems to be a little more efficient and

(12:50):
better at that.
I appreciate that a lot more now versus what
seeing these other brands and the smallbusinesses are trying and that's.
Yeah, it's a lot of work.
It's definitely not for the faint of heart.

Speaker A (13:01):
Absolutely. Absolutely.
Brian, how about you?

Speaker B (13:05):
The marketing is difficult, especially.
I don't consider myself a social media guru atall.
And I mean, quite honestly, until just thelast few years, I've never had a single.
I just got a Facebook account three months agofor my life.
Avoided it.
I mean, I've had, I've had Instagram and

(13:26):
stuff, so we've posted stuff on Instagram, butI, I just have not.
And, well, and the other reason I got aFacebook account was I wanted to go on a
marketplace, so I had to have an account toget on the marketplace.

Speaker A (13:37):
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker B (13:38):
But the marketing is, is difficult because there are, there are some monster
brands out there that have, their branding isfantastic.
And those guys have done a wonderful job.
And actually being overseas in the contracting
world, I'm very familiar with a lot of, with acouple of those guys that started up the black

(14:01):
rifle brand.
We've crossed some of the same paths over
there.
So those guys, they knocked it out of the park
and of course, everybody wants to be the nextblack rifle, but, I mean, that's.
That was a perfect scenario at a perfect timewith guys that were motivated to do it.
Yeah, this was more Brad and I live, you know,I live in Missouri.

(14:23):
He lives in New York state.
And this was just a good way for us to get
together and do something where we're talkingmore during the week than we.
We have, you know, in years past.

Speaker A (14:33):
And I love it.

Speaker B (14:35):
So it was really more something fun to do with my brother just to be able to do
something like this.

Speaker A (14:40):
Yeah.

Speaker B (14:42):
I mean, I'd love to have it go through the roof, but if it doesn't, it
doesn't.
We're just having fun with it.

Speaker A (14:48):
Yeah, absolutely.
I love that attitude because, you know, as
you.
As you get older and stuff, you want to be
with family, you want to end it.
This is a great way.
Like you said, if it blows up, awesome.
If it's a nice side hustle, it can help your
retirement.

Speaker B (15:04):
Yep.

Speaker A (15:05):
That's even better.
Yeah, I mean, that, like, when I did this
podcast, I was just looking to do for fun, andnow it's getting bigger and bigger and bigger.
Like, I didn't expect people in, like, frickinguam to be listening to this podcast.
Australia and Europe and Canada, and I'm like,whoa, this is crazy.

(15:28):
But that's because it's a niche, right?I kind of stay in the pocket of the midwest,
but I also do stuff from all over the world,like I said, you know, but to me, it's just
something I can do to, you know, have fun.
And if it blows up, great.
If it doesn't, that's okay.
You know, I enjoy what I'm doing, and that's.
That's what the love comes into your brand,right?

(15:49):
People can actually talk to a real person andsay, like, hey, Brian, or Brad, you know, I
love your coffee, but why don't you try this?So why don't you do that?
And with good luck reaching the Starbucks,you're gonna be like, yes.
Talk to this guy, the 20,000,000th man on thedeal team who has no freaking clue and just

(16:11):
throws it in the trash or deletes your email.
But I know you guys are right on top of it, so
that is awesome.
So, Brad, how about a good thing, obviously,
getting together with your brother.
That's a good thing.
Anything else that, you know, that surprisedyou, like, oh, that's pretty cool.

Speaker C (16:28):
I guess a really cool story was, since I'm fairly close to Buffalo, they do
their nickel city con every year, comic bookian horror fest.
So we had a booth up there last year and wastalking to people, handing out samples, having
a good time.
This guy came up, started talking to me in
here.

(16:49):
It was Miko Hughes from the little boy.
He was also.
I had a pretty good line off kindergarten cop,
so.
So I hung out and talked with him a bit.
And I've got a signed bag of Wiccan right overhere that.

Speaker B (17:07):
Pretty happy.

Speaker A (17:07):
Oh, nice.

Speaker C (17:09):
That was a lot of fun.
We sold a lot of coffee and talked to a whole
lot of horror and comic book fans thatweekend.

Speaker A (17:17):
Yeah, that sounds great.
And being a nerd myself, which I fully admit,
I used to play d and D back in the day.
Man, you had that caffeine going.
You gotta be like, really in the pocket, youknow, because you got to make those hard
decisions.
You don't want to be killed by a bunch of orcs
in a room that would get too geeky.

(17:39):
I'm sorry.

Speaker C (17:41):
Exactly what you're talking about.

Speaker A (17:42):
Okay, there we go.
So, Brian, how about you?

Speaker B (17:45):
As far as you know, I wasn't able to make it out to the show that Brad was at.
I wish I could have been there because he didsend me some really neat pictures of some of
the, some of the.
The actors from the horror.
You know, the horror movies.
To me, again, outside of working with Brad,
it's.
It's fun working in the paranormal field just
because I've.

(18:06):
My favorite movie genre is, is horror.
And it always has been.
But I've always been.

Speaker A (18:11):
I'm.

Speaker B (18:11):
I'm not.
I'm probably the biggest skeptic there is out
there.
So I love paranormal stories.
Love a good ghost story, love a goodconspiracy theory.
But I'm a skeptic until I'm involved with it,I guess, or until I see it for myself.
And, you know, so that's.

(18:31):
That's been kind of fun because, you know,
I've.
Since we started it, I've started listening to
some more podcasts like yours.
I've been listening to some true crime stuff.
So I've.
It's kind of changed even the listening that I
do for the last year.

Speaker A (18:47):
Nice. Brad, did you have anything else to offer?
I think I might have interrupted you.
I'm sorry.

Speaker C (18:52):
I'm trying to think, like I was going to say.
As of recently, I've been reaching out throughInstagram, and it's been a big push.
Lately, I've been working and trying to talkto a lot of paranormal investigators.
I've gotten a lot of ideas from them I'mworking with.
She was just in a magazine, Paranormalmagazine, here in April.

(19:12):
Angela Gibson.
And we're working on collaborating with her on
a label.
And one of her, she was telling me that during
an investigation, their biggest need is, youknow, it's not so much the late night, because
you get the excitement of the investigations.

(19:32):
But the next day, when you're going through
all the footage and the files and the audios,looking for, you know, those voices and the
evidence of everything they've seen and said.
Yeah, coffee's massively important for that.
So we're going to work with a few moreinvestigators like that to get our name out.

Speaker A (19:55):
Nice. Well, come to me, my friends, because I've interviewed several paranormal
investigators on the show from all over thecountry.
And that would be my next question.
What would you recommend while coffee brand.
Brad, I'll start with you.
Would you recommend.
They're on a long investigation, you know,what would you recommend?

Speaker C (20:19):
Well, personally, I'm a nightmare fuel guy.
If you need a little extra juice of caffeine,I would say go clairvoyant.
Your lighter roasts have, in general, coffeewise, your lighter roasts have more caffeine
in it.
The process actually burns off the caffeine.
So I'd say you probably want your clairvoyant.
We are working on an extra caf label here.

(20:41):
That's going to be branded specifically forinvestigators.
Got a couple ideas on that.
That just haven't worked themselves all the
way to the end.
But that's one way we're going to be going.

Speaker A (20:52):
Nice. Brian, how about you? What are you thinking?

Speaker B (20:56):
I'm going to stay.
I'm going to say espresso 51.
I think if you really need the caffeine, the.
The super grind, the super fine ground
espresso.
And I. And I make it in a drip coffee pod.
So I. I don't even make it out of an espressomachine.
So I think espresso 51 would be the one thatwould keep me going longer.

Speaker A (21:18):
Nice. So let me ask you this.
Now, Brad, you talked about you're doing
editing and.
Yeah, we all, you know, a lot of people who do
it.
I used to do it.
It's horrible.
I hate it anyway.
But you gotta.
You gotta stay focused.
Otherwise you're putting stuff out there andit's gonna be like, people like what?
You know, whatever.
That sounds so great.

(21:39):
But one of the things, the coffee I had to cutback was it gave me the jitters.
You know, I'd be like, shaking like that.
Right?
I'd be like, okay, maybe I gotta ease back alittle bit.
And you don't want to be doing that editing,right?

Speaker B (21:51):
Because you'd be like, ah, you know.

Speaker A (21:54):
God knows what editing stuff you're gonna get.
What would you recommend of your brands tokind of bring them down a little bit to be
like, hey, okay, why don't you try this?Now, you did the espresso.
You did the nightmare fuel.
How about, you know, something to bring you
down?Bring it down.

Speaker C (22:10):
I mean, I guess water, man, if you want to.
I'm just full throttle caffeine.
So I I just roll past it.
That's my, that's my jam.

Speaker A (22:19):
Okay. Okay, Brian.
Same thing with water.

Speaker B (22:24):
No, I think any of the dark roasts, dark roasts have less caffeine than the
lighter roasts do.
It's probably why not only do I like the
darker roast flavor, but I think any of thedarker roasts would be a good long term
sustainment.
You know, if you're really not needing.

(22:45):
If you're not needing that initial boost, itwould keep you going through the afternoon.

Speaker A (22:50):
Nice. Nice. I love it.
So let's get to the most important fact.
All right?I'm on your website.
I want to order.
How do I order?
I get it.
You just put it in the cart and stuff.
But, like, what if I. I'm just trying tofigure out what's our nightmare fuel?
Espresso 51, maybe a dark roast.

(23:12):
What do you guys have on your site?
Yeah, maybe one of each.
Maybe all of them.

Speaker B (23:16):
Like, anything over $30 is free shipping.

Speaker A (23:20):
There you go.
I was going to say that too.
So how do you guys, how do you recommend,like, looking at your website to kind of, you
know, because you guys have some greatdescriptions.
You know, anything you can add more.
So when they hear this and they're ordering,
they can be like, oh, okay, let me.
Let me take a look.

Speaker C (23:38):
Well, we do have a pop up test that comes up that if I can't remember the exact
questions on it, that'll roll through thedifferent flavors, and we'll make suggestions
based on what your preferences are.
So at the end of that, we'll tell you if you
should have an omen or clairvoyant ornightmare fuel or whatnot.

(23:58):
So I suggest go on there, take the test, andfind out what we suggest.

Speaker A (24:04):
Nice. Oh, by the way, I'm looking at your website right now, and you guys have a
really, really good description of what it is.
I love that.
And also, you know, you looks like you havesome discounts.
So you guys said what discounts is I'm a firsttime guy.
I'm coming on there.

(24:24):
What, like can I get a discount?
Or how much do I order to get one?Or what?
What do I do?

Speaker C (24:30):
Yeah, you go on there.
You can sign up, get a. I can't remember if
it's a ten or 15% discount.
So I put in your email come part of the or our
paranormal society if you want to call itthat.
Then I believe there's another discount.
If you do do the test and if you keep keep an

(24:51):
ear out on instagram with us or Facebook.
I always put specials on that out there.
Also you sign up, you'll be on email group andthere are different opportunities for
discounts and specials.

Speaker A (25:05):
There's nice.
Brian, anything to add to that?

Speaker B (25:08):
Well, if you do order, you get a handwritten note and some details from me.

Speaker A (25:15):
All right.
Now that's super cool.
That's, that's awesome.
See, that's personal.
That's what I love about it.
Yeah, it is.

Speaker B (25:22):
And it's something that's kind of.
I've gotten busy with some stuff so I'm behind
on a few.
So if anyone that's ordered recently, they
should be expecting it in the mail here soon.
Like tonight.
I need to get wrapped up with all of that.

Speaker A (25:34):
There's your homework for tonight.
Brian has to do that.
Have a beer, whatever your favorite beverageof choice and get those things rocking out.
I love it.
So I ordered.
I love it.
I signed up for your newsletter.
I got every.
I took your test.
I did everything.
How long does it take?
Hey, man, I need my coffee.
When am I going to get this?

Speaker C (25:55):
It's on your doorstep within a week.

Speaker A (25:58):
Nice. Nice night.
Nice. That is awesome.

Speaker B (26:03):
You can do the subscription.
Not all of them are available.
You can do a subscription for omen and you canset it up.
You want it.
It just depends on how often you go through a
bag.

Speaker C (26:16):
There's another discount with that.

Speaker B (26:18):
Yeah. I'll go through a twelve ounce bag in about a week.
So every week I have another bag that shows upin the box.

Speaker A (26:26):
Yeah, that.
Yeah. Again, depends how much you drink.
Order as much as you can, guys, because youknow these guys are busy.
But you want to order as much as you canbecause it's great coffee you guys sold me.
I'm so.
Let me ask you this one other thing with your
coffee brand.
I see swag so you guys can get hats.

(26:47):
I'm still waiting for my mug, Brad.
It's on its way.

Speaker C (26:51):
I got an order for you this week.

Speaker A (26:52):
Thank you.
Sir, that's very nice of you.
Anyway, we got some swags so they can gethats, t shirts, mugs.
That's awesome.
Oh, you got your t shirt.
Yes, I saw that.
That is an awesome t shirt.
Yeah.
So that's something you'd be on the lookout
for, too.
So, you know, hey, get some coffee.
Maybe you want to get it.

(27:13):
You want a hat?
Hey, need a new mug.
Can never have enough coffee mugs.
I know that.
I bring mine all the time.
And get a shirt.
Get a hoodie, you know, while you're there.
Right.

Speaker B (27:24):
The coffee former or the 1020 ounce mug is actually really nice.
The label turned out great on that, our logo.
Cool.

Speaker A (27:35):
Yeah, it looks very nice.
I love all your swag, too.
It looks very, very nice.
The shirts look comfortable and all that good
stuff.
I do have a question.
None of your coffee is haunted, right?So I don't open the bag.
A curse comes out.
Right.

Speaker C (27:56):
I can't confirm more.
Denied that.

Speaker B (27:59):
No. We may have somebody come into the house if we tell you that.

Speaker A (28:03):
Okay. All right.
All right.
Well, there, you get that.
There's a buyer beware.
Just an extra thing that Brian and Brad put inthere.
Hey, let's put an evil spirit in there and seewhat happens.

Speaker B (28:14):
Some people might really enjoy that.

Speaker A (28:16):
So I don't want to say gonna.

Speaker B (28:19):
Happen, because maybe they're looking for it.

Speaker A (28:22):
I just.
Just a really quick story I thought was really
interesting.
So when I talk to paranormal investigators,
one of the things they have spirits haveattached themselves when they go on
investigation, and they have brought thatspirit home and do a lot differently.
They sage or they do something to say, youcannot come home with me and everything like

(28:43):
that.
But I was talking to a paranormal investigator
from elite vixen paranormal out of Tennesseeand Chanel.
Shout out.
She told me she had this.
She was cooking dinner, she's making somechicken.
And out of the corner of her eye, she saw alittle boy.
And the little boy was reaching for thechicken.

(29:05):
And she said, I slapped.
It was like one of my kids hands.
I went, no, you can't have that.
And you need to leave, sweetie.
So she, you know, I guess she said they justlaughed.
And I just think that's.
I just thought that was a really interesting
story.
How would you like to be making dinner?
And you see your eye, this spirit, reachingfor your chicken?

(29:25):
Well, first of all, it's my chicken.
Like, back off.
And.
But it's like, wow, that's interesting, right?
That's crazy.
That's a crazy story.
I just thought that was just.

Speaker B (29:35):
That's a good one.

Speaker A (29:37):
Yeah. Yeah. There's.
They tell me some really stuff that is just
blows me away on some of the spirits that havecome home with them and are still in their
house.
Oh, wow.
And they treat it like.
And this is so weird.
I've never did.
You guys grew up in a haunted house at all?
Just kind of switching topics a little bithere.

Speaker B (29:58):
Go ahead, Brad.

Speaker C (29:59):
Well, obviously I don't remember anything, but sometimes I'm about as aware as
my mouse here.
So things could just go past me and I wouldn't
even notice it.

Speaker B (30:12):
I mean, we grew up in the same house.
It was definitely an older house.

Speaker A (30:16):
Yeah.

Speaker B (30:17):
I don't remember anything ever.
No bumps in a night.
Like I said, I'm pretty skeptical of thisanyways and always have been.

Speaker A (30:25):
Yeah.

Speaker B (30:25):
But there are definitely, there's definitely things that have happened that I've
been involved in that I can't explain.
There's not an explanation to it.
I wasn't alone, so other people reacted to itas well.
So I. There's just some things that I cannot,I can't explain.

Speaker A (30:46):
But.

Speaker B (30:47):
And we may get into a story here in a little bit about where Brad and I grew up.
That's where one of these incidents happened.
But our house is an older house, but I don't
remember ever having any vibes like that.

Speaker A (31:03):
Yeah. So let's get right into that.
I was going to ask you guys if either one of
you have had a paranormal experience orexperience, you know, many paranormal events.

Speaker B (31:14):
So back we grew up in a little town in Pennsylvania about an hour and a half from
where Brad lives right now.
Small little forestry town it was.
And I was probably nine or ten years old.
So at the time my.
And I don't know where Brad was.
Brad's three years younger than me and I don't

(31:36):
know where he was, but I know he wasn't withme.
I was out at my grandma and grandpa's house.
And their house is even older than what our
house was out in the country.
I was with my cousins.
One cousin was the same age as me and theother, her older sister's two years or three
years older than us.
We were up and grandma and grandpa were in

(31:58):
Florida.
So they were down to have a. They were down
visiting family for a wedding.
The only people at the house, me and my two
cousins and their mom, my aunt was therewatching us and she was somewhere in the house
or she wasn't with us.
We're upstairs doing, you know, 910.

(32:18):
Twelve year olds that you're not supposed togo through and looking through clauses, just
playing, you know, playing, putting on, youknow, grandpa's 1970s rain jacket and all this
stuff.

Speaker A (32:27):
Sure.

Speaker B (32:29):
So in this room, this room, the wall behind me, like if there was a doorway,
in the middle of that wall that was open,directly across from that doorway is a full
length mirror that in between that was thebed.
So we're all standing in front of that mirrorlaughing, putting on, you know, hats or doing,

(32:50):
you know, putting on, you know, grandma'sglasses and just fooling around.
Somebody walked past that door and I canremember 100% to this day, somebody wearing it
could have been Jay Leno.
It was blue denim shirt, blue denim jeans.
Walked from the one side to the bathroom sidetowards the stairs side like they were, they

(33:16):
walked past that door at just a regular pace.
The only reason I know it happened was because
all three of us ducked under the bedsimultaneously.
We all hit the floor.
It scared all of us.

Speaker A (33:30):
Yeah.

Speaker B (33:31):
And it was, and I know it was a guy, brown hair, I can see it even to this
day.

Speaker A (33:38):
Wow.

Speaker B (33:39):
No clue who it was.
Wasn't a relative, didn't say anything,
didn't.
And there wasn't anybody at the house besides
my aunt.
She was there.
We went running outside and found her andtried, you know, nobody believes three kids
coming out saying, hey, we just saw a ghostupstairs.
Yeah, but, and I mean, fast forward.

(34:03):
So that was when we were probably ten to
twelve years old when I graduated high school.
I didn't go back to my hometown for 22 years.
I was just back in that same hometown for afamily reunion, this past maybe, and met with
one of the same cousins that was there andstarted talking to her.

(34:24):
And I was like, hey, do you remember way backwhen we were upstairs, actually the reunion
was at the same house.

Speaker A (34:32):
Yeah.

Speaker B (34:33):
So I said, you remember, we were upstairs and we were by the mirror and we were
dressing.
She was like, yeah, when we saw the ghost.
So I don't know what it was.
I don't know what it was.
Somebody walked past that doorway and itscared all of us.

Speaker A (34:47):
Oh, absolutely.
Yeah. That is, that is a story I hear a lot
from my guest I have on, you know, I hearstories too, of one of my guests when she says
she was like six years old, this older manpassed through a wall and went like right,
walked right past her and went through theother wall.

(35:11):
And she was thinking, you know, it's a dream.
And she went to her mom, you know, she's six,
right, when you guys are younger.
And her mom was like, oh, honey, it's nothing.
Don't worry about it.
And then they bought a rocking chair for her
room because she liked to sit in the rockingchair and read.
And so then she'd be in a room, and she wouldlook up.

(35:33):
Some nights in the rocking chair would berocking by itself.

Speaker B (35:37):
Okay? That's the stuff that you just.

Speaker A (35:41):
So she told her dad.
And her dad went, oh, honey, you know, it's an
old house, and it just happens.
But then she said, she looks out and at the
trash, was that rocking chair?Her dad just threw it out.
Flash forward.
She turns 18, and she's really into the

(36:02):
paranormal.
She says, because of that, you know, why was
that?You know, what, what really happened?
And she became a paranormal investigator.
And she's like, mom, dad, what was really
going on?She goes, well, honey, I didn't want to tell
you when you were sick so you wouldn't freakout on us, but this house is haunted as hell.
And she went through, and she's like, mom, oh,my God.

(36:25):
You know, so, you know, to her, it was justnormal, like, coming home.
And the cupboards would be open, and she'd belike, okay, mom, dad, you know, they didn't
close it.
And then, you know, she would hear them at
night.
She'd hear footsteps at night.
She'd hear all this stuff.
And her parents, you know, they're trying to
steer, and I'm like, I'm like, girl, Iwouldn't out of that house.

(36:46):
I'd have been like, oh, yeah, we're moving.
Let's see.
Get in the, you know, car and work on.
But they stay.
Lived in that house, and they, her brotherlives in that house right now, and it's still
haunted.
You know, it's accepted whatever.
Nobody's hurting anybody.
No ghost.

Speaker B (37:04):
Terrible, you know, and I understand.
Oh, I'm sorry.
Go ahead.
Go ahead, John.

Speaker A (37:09):
Oh, no, no, go ahead.
What you're saying about the ghost, yo.

Speaker B (37:12):
And I understand, you know, I can, I could get on board with places that have a
residual, you know, something that just, it'sjust a period in time.
It's a snapshot that just replays.
There's no interaction.
It's just for.
Because I, even though I'm skeptical of a lot
of the stories that I hear, I'm not foolishenough to think that that energy or spirits or

(37:35):
something can't attach to a location or aplace.
And just, you have the 120 year old house inthe basement where you've had five generations
of families live there.
Tragedy and everything else.
There's just a replay of time.
And that's.

(37:56):
I can fully get on board with that.
So I could.
I can see where places would have a residual.

Speaker A (38:03):
Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker B (38:04):
Where it gets really kind of scary is when it.
When it's a, you know, not a residual and, youknow, it's just where it's actually
interactive.
That's where, you know, it really kind of
makes your hair stand up.

Speaker A (38:17):
Right, exactly.
And, you know, I just had paranormal
investigators on yesterday from Pennsylvania.
And they were talking about.
They went to the Lizzie Borden house.
Lizzie Borden house.
And they have.
My episode will be coming up soon, in a couple
weeks with them.
And they just talked about.
They were in the rooms.

(38:38):
You can stay in the rooms.
I know, you know, parents room.
And they said they highly recommend to go to
it.
One of the gentlemen was a guide.
He was a tour guide forever.
And he just loves it.
He spent, like, years in that house.
And he knows every nook and cranny and all
this stuff.
And they have all these crazy, like, voice

(39:00):
recordings and all this other stuff that theysay, like, it's just unbelievable and it's
intelligent haunting because he tells a story.
When he was.
He got this voice recording.
He goes there not every year, but quite a bit.
And he had a voice recording that says plainlya woman's voice is plainly the boy's back.

(39:22):
And he was in the room when that recordinghappened.
They knew it was him from him being there.
They.
I said, dude, I'm out.
No, it was just some friendly way of saying, I
know who you are.
And is that.
Is that crazy?Right.

Speaker B (39:43):
You know, from.
From back in Pennsylvania.
The other one that I've always really, reallyloved the video of it.
I. Nothing to do with it, and you probablyknow it, but it's from Gettysburg.
And it was somebody filming the tree linethere.
And it was about dusk.
And there's just silhouettes and figures

(40:06):
merging and going back in, emerging.
I mean, and it's not just one.
There's multiples.
And they're like, I have no idea what I'm
looking at.
It seems.
It seems very, very legit.
It seems very just.
They were just filming the area and it juststarted happening.
So it doesn't.
It doesn't seem like it was any kind of, you

(40:28):
know, a fakery or anything, but it's.
Because obviously, Gettysburg, you know, it
was one of the most ****** battles of thecivil war.
So plenty of history there.
But it's a fantastic video.
And I have no idea who had done it, but it's.
I'm sure everyone has seen it because it's
pretty popular.

Speaker A (40:47):
Yes, it's very popular.
Brad, did you want to add anything before we
move on to our topic?

Speaker C (40:55):
I definitely wasn't there for the ghost at Graham and Grandpa's house.
From my experience, though, actually, my.
We've been told by a couple people, one this
individual works with, has done work withDeepak Chopra and some other training such as
that.

(41:16):
But as soon as he met my wife, he knew my
daughter was.
He said she was a traveler.
She travels in her sleep, and she was guidedby.
It'd be my wife's grandpa, and actually, myaunt would have been the sister of the aunt.
Right, yeah, my brother's sister.
So Brian was hanging out with there, and

(41:37):
they've guided her while she was younger andas she traveled and had plenty of
conversations with her late at night.
And she swears it was Matt and Darlene and
can't tell her any different to this day.
And we've had people just say, yeah, she
travels, and she's been all over the place.
So it's.
Wow, she just has that personality.

(41:59):
And so, yeah, we've just.
That's always been really cool to me.

Speaker A (42:05):
Yeah, that.
That's really interesting, because I've spoken
to mediums, scryers, and what always cracks meup is I always ask them, what is.
They do tarot card reading and everything likethat.
It cracks me up because I always ask them,what is your two.
What is the two things that people ask you?It's relationships and money.

Speaker B (42:27):
Yeah.

Speaker A (42:28):
Like, am I gonna have a good relationship?
Am I in a good relationship?Is this gonna happen?
And then not, am I gonna be rich?Am I gonna be fine?
You know, there's gonna be something.
And she gets that all the time.
And she's like, you know, these are notaccurate.
Like, she's one of those people that's not ahuckster or a person.
You know what I mean?She's just like, hey, you know, this isn't,

(42:50):
like, real.
This is.
This is for fun.
Just know they don't take it with a grain of
salt, but it's just for fun.
And she's read some things that she's
unfortunately came up with bad news, and thenshe's got to, like, talk these people down, be
like, oh.
Like, it's just, you know, it's just the
cards.
But anyway, I just find that super

(43:12):
interesting, that people have that skill.
And I know a lot of other people are sensitive
where they can come into a room and be like,oh, boy, you got some real problems here.
And, you know, we.
We need to do something.
And I've had some really, really creepystories of people coming into home.
Even a lady came into a bedroom, and she said,who died here?

(43:35):
And the couple was like, how do you know my,you know, father died here?
And they're like, well, he's still here.

Speaker C (43:42):
And, you know, he.

Speaker A (43:43):
You know, he's trying to talk to you.
And so, you know, they're like, oh, okay.
That's why we.
I always feel someone's watching me.
Not in a bad way, but I feel somebody's
watching me.
And I felt like.
Like they talk about one story where they weresleeping.
The husband was sleeping, and all of a sudden,he just woke up.

(44:04):
He just, like, out of sleep, and it turned on.
It turned out he had the burner on.
On his stove, and he was, like, making somespaghetti or something.
You're boiling the water.
And it had boiled over, and so he woke up, and
he was able to take care of it.
But, you know, it just.
He was like, she said, I bet that was your dadtelling.

(44:26):
Waking him up, you know, to do that.
And I'm pretty sure it was.
And this is like, so there's some good storieslike that and some other creepy stories where
people are being pushed on steps or beingassaulted or something.
So that's just.
That's why I love it.
It's.
It's a fantasy, even, you know, like a skeptic
like yourself, Brian can sometimes go, I don'tknow.

(44:47):
Right.

Speaker B (44:49):
We took it.
So we took a tour of the Jefferson city
penitentiary a few years back.
So we actually did the guided ghost tour
there.
And they give you some time throughout the
tour where you can just kind of, you know,stand still and, you know, record or take
photos or do what you want to do.

(45:10):
And I was taking just candid, just photos
around the area, and I still have the photo,and it's in all three of us.
Myself, my wife, and my daughter were there,and we 100% feel like we caught an aberration
of somebody standing in the jail cell down inthe area where.

(45:33):
And this was years ago.
Somebody was murdered, either on that landing
or in that cell.
And I was just taking photos, just with my.
My cell phone.
There's a silhouette, and it looks like a
silhouette of a black man stand.

Speaker A (45:47):
Just.

Speaker B (45:48):
If you can picture what a silhouette of a black man would look like in a
dark jail cell, that's what it looked like.
And all three of us, when we seen it, were
like, oh, there's something there that'sthat's there.

Speaker A (46:02):
Nice. Nice. That's.
That's interesting because I've done episodes
on Missouri State Penitentiary.
If you ever get a chance to go there.
It was known as the hundred acres of blood.
I mean, there was so much.

Speaker B (46:14):
That's in Jeff.

Speaker A (46:15):
Yeah, that's.
Yeah, that's.
So everyone.
All my paranormal investigators have gone
there.
And then Ohio state reformatory, aka Shank
redemption.
Yeah, that's what I want to go out to.
That's something people have said.
They've been touched, they've been pushed,
they've got an apparition.
And it's hard, if you're a skeptic, to walk

(46:38):
out of there and go, ah, it's just the wind.
It's just like, you know, someone is a
recorder or, you know, it's like new.
There's something going on here.
Yeah.
That's crazy.
That's unbelievable.
So speaking of all this paranormal stuff, I
chose a spooky topic for this week I thinkfits in with one of your brands, your seance

(47:01):
brand.
It's a decaf.
So, you know, like I said, if you want to comedown a little bit, I was going to do your
espresso 51, but area 51, that's a really longtopic.
And if you guys ever want to come on back on,we could do that.
Or do any other blends, we'll definitely dothat.

Speaker B (47:19):
That's a place that I'd love to have some firsthand experience with.
I really would.

Speaker A (47:23):
Absolutely.
So seances is our topic today.
So for centuries, people have been trying toreach back to former loved ones who have
passed and find the meaning of life afterdeath.
One way is to conduct a seance, by the way, bytheir seance toy on coffee.
There you go, guys.
There's your tag in this episode.

Speaker B (47:46):
Coffee code.com.

Speaker A (47:47):
Yes. There we go.
Always branding.
We'll discuss the answers, their history, andthe controversial findings.
So, Brian and Brad, what is a seance, right.
Is a meeting of people to talk with dead
people.
They're holding stance this evening.
They basically say this is their vocabulary,which I think is hilarious.

(48:09):
And it's related to lost souls, spirits,ghosts.
So really, if someone says they're holding asans, you basically know you have a group of
people together trying to contact the undeador ghost or spirit.
Maybe you have a loved one, maybe not.
So a seance experience.
And this is from author Daniel Eckert, theauthor of Mystery of seances.

(48:34):
He says, and this is really interesting, hedid this with his wife, which I thought was
kind of okay.
I don't know if I would do this.
My wife.
My wife's not into the paranormal at all.
She supports me, and she loves me for this,but she's like me out of it, which is fine.
So he said.
He once conducted a seance with a small group
of paranormal researchers working in aparticularly haunted hotel in Maryland.

(48:59):
Their research team worked with a medium tocall for the spirits by using.
Oh, here we go.
Ouija board.
Guys, stay away from Ouija boards.
Please do.
Do not try with that.
Oh, be careful, guys.
Just be careful if you want to, that's okay.

(49:21):
But I'm going to get trademark, so.

Speaker B (49:23):
We couldn't do it.

Speaker A (49:26):
All right.
They also use pendulum bottles, which is
basically just a bottle.
Just swings back and forth.
It may have some type of crystal in it.
It may have some type of liquid in it or
something.
Who knows?
Right?And finally, a deep trance.
At first, the contact, what we they'll do isswaying of the pendulum.

(49:46):
So they'll put these pendulums out, andthey'll just put them there, and then they'll
ask, hey, with the spirit, you know, touchthis pendulum.
So one of the things they first saw when hewas doing this, which would kind of freak me
out.
I don't know what you guys.
They started to sway, so they started talking.
They were at a haunted hotel in Maryland.
They started talking to these spirits, andthey saw, you know, these pendulums sway.

(50:11):
And remember, they.
They do this by candlelight.
It's in a completely dark room.
Separate your candles, by the way.
You have to use white candles.
Do not use black candles.
Black candles symbolized evil.
Do not do that.
So one of the things they saw by candlelight,and again, man, I don't know if I could do
this.
They saw a presence go by.
One of the candles saw a shadow from thecandlelight.

(50:35):
However, soon the building creaked with soundsof soft footsteps, the air grew chill, and the
Ouija board began to bring messages for theguests.
Okay, so are you guys still in this room?I don't know if I am.
Are you guys.
Brian, Brad, you guys still in this room?
You saw spirit, you know, Ouija board goingoff.

Speaker B (50:58):
I think I. I'm gonna ride the lightning.

Speaker A (51:02):
Brad, I'm working towards the door.

Speaker B (51:05):
All right?

Speaker A (51:06):
Me and Brad are working towards the door.
We're backing up.
Brian's just looking at us and going wimps.

Speaker B (51:14):
I mean, that.
That's the reason you're there.
You know, if you're gonna do it, that is.
That's what you want to have happen.

Speaker A (51:22):
Absolutely. Absolutely.
Because most seances I have to tell my spooky
friends.
And you guys, they don't, none of them really
don't work out for the most part.
So the evening reaches crescendo as our medium
sat in a trance.
Excuse me.
Her face illuminated by a single candle.

(51:43):
And she began to receive names, answers the
questions and stories from what seemed to besimilar to Brad.
Daughter with traveler.
She was traveling to different places.
Uh, as she spoke, it seemed, oh, man, this iswhere I'm out.
As she spoke, it seemed, as her face shiftedin the light, from that of a young woman to

(52:08):
that of a grandmotherly figure, to that of asmall boy and to that of a beacled man.
Okay, guys, me and Brad, I guess, are reachingfor the doorknob.
Brian riding the lightning.

Speaker B (52:25):
At that point, you may be pushing the tear back a little bit.

Speaker A (52:29):
I totally, I totally get it.
Because if I saw someone's face changed from a
young woman to an older woman to a young boyto a man in glasses, I'd be like, okay.

Speaker B (52:43):
Every horror movie from the early nineties, that's the scene.

Speaker A (52:48):
Mm hmm.
You bet.
Love nineties story, by the way.
Slowly, the stream of voices coming from the
medium receded, and her face became hers oncemore.
Well, that's good.
The candles burned more brightly, and the room
felt warmer almost instantly.
There was a sense of a real connection with

(53:10):
something larger than this world on thatnight.
So that was an experience I got from thisauthor about seances, which, again, you know,
I've spoken to people who have done seances,and it's hit or miss.
It's really, you know, where you are, whatyou're doing.
I did a little mini so on stories of Ouijaboards, and there's never a good one.

(53:36):
There's never a good one.
He's just.
And how I think it is, it's still Hasbro orParker brothers.
Who has the patent?Who has a patent for Ouija boards?

Speaker B (53:48):
It's Parker brothers.

Speaker A (53:49):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
And they still sell it, which, this was so
funny.
I was interviewing someone from Switzerland,
and they don't believe in Ouija boards inSwitzerland.
I don't know why.
They just don't.
And she said they sell it as a toy.
Like, she didn't understand that.
Like I said, you can go into a Walmart.
A toys.
Well, no, toys r us doesn't exist anymore.

(54:09):
When you go to a Walmart, whatever.
There it is.
Right.
With the other games.

Speaker B (54:14):
John, do you remember the movie witchboard?
That was a pretty freaky movie.
Bay and it's probably a nineties movie, and
they have.
There's a newer one called a Ouija now, which
is.
But that.
That movie.
Which board, I can remember it, actually.
And again, you know, horror movies, it's gotto be a good horror movie to really be a scary

(54:35):
movie.
But I remember that one having some pretty
good jump scare in it.

Speaker A (54:39):
Mm hmm.
Mm hmm.
Yeah.
It's.
It's just something I would never mess with,so I just will not.
You know, I wouldn't even be in the same roomwith X. I'm just.
I don't know whether you believe it or not.
I think there's some things you just don't
mess with.
Right.

Speaker B (54:54):
You're looking for a bad reaction when you do.
Yeah.
You're looking to happen.
You're.
You're.
You're poking the bear.

Speaker A (55:02):
Absolutely. Absolutely.
So one of the things with seances and
everything is.
So I wanted to get into a really famous case,
and if you guys haven't heard about these twinsisters, they're actually from rural New York,
but this is 1848.
This is the famous case about them.
This is what kind of set people like, youknow, do I believe in it or not believe it?

(55:28):
So, in the year 1848, Kate and Maggie Fox,sisters from rural New York, set the world
alight with their unique form of spiritcommunication.
In answer to the sisters questions, spiritswould respond, making bangs, knocks, raps, and

(55:48):
sound out words.
This was the beginning of spiritualism.
So, in the 18 hundreds, as you know, a lot ofpeople lost, I mean, it was common in your
house to lose your brother, your sister at ayoung age, maybe your father, due to many
diseases, many things.
It's not, obviously, as we know, guys, the

(56:09):
care that we have today.
Yeah, right, exactly.
So, you know, you just.
We're kind of like, okay, we're already living
a good life this way I look at it.
So, one of the things with these sisters, they
would be sold out theater shows.
So they would be.
They did it on both sides of the Atlantic.
So they would go into these theaters at the

(56:32):
time, and, you know, people would come up andthey would be like, hey, I want to talk to my
Aunt Millie.
And they'd be like, okay.
And then they would pretend, well, youobviously, you find out.
And here, give any spoiler alert.
But they would be like, okay, you know, Aunt
Millie says this, Aunt Millie says that.
And they were just, you know, huge.

(56:54):
I mean, this was the huge show for them, andthey represented an exciting and bold new
future where women were at the center of thespiritual movement.
And in positions of authority as mediums,channeled spirits.
And one of the biggest things to remember is,you know, remember the 18 hundreds men were
not really nice to women.

(57:15):
We tend to stay in the kitchen.
Right kind of attitude.
But they, you know, they worked on different
causes, like the suffragist movement,abolished polygynist movement, abolitionists
moving existed with slavery and everything.
So they would like, try to do all these
different causes and, you know, so they weredoing some good things with it.
And in their wake, the spiritual movement grewto one of the most, and this is crazy, one of

(57:40):
the most popular religious groups of its era.
So spiritualism, in other words, talking to
the dead was huge.
I mean, that was almost as big as, you know,
being a Catholic or a Lutheran, whatever,right.
I mean, just unbelievable.
And the spiritual movement, though, was
further bolstered by a high profile supporterslike Sir Arthur Conan Doyle.

(58:05):
Yes.
That guy wrote Sherlock Holmes.
He was a huge supporter of it.
Frank Baum, he was another famous author.
And my favorite Lincoln is my favoritepresident, by the way, first Lady Mary Todd
Lincoln.
She was not my favorite first lady.
She's kind of out there.
She's a very interesting person.

(58:26):
Let's just say it that way.
But that's an entirely new podcast.
And her husband, Lincoln believed inspiritualism.
He totally believed that there's a way to talkto the dead.
And they would perform.
This is why the White House is haunted, by the
way.
People have said that many, many times.
He performed the seances in the White House,so he would always bring these sisters in, and

(58:53):
the Fox sisters in, and they performed in theWhite House.
They performed in palaces.
They performed anywhere famous.
I mean, it was unbelievable what these peoplewere.
However, a former, this guy was fromWisconsin, by the way, Harry Houdini.
I'm sure you're familiar with Harry Houdini.
He did, he did not believe in this.

(59:15):
So he spent his time basically trying to showthis is all fraud and all faith.
And even though the Fox sisters would be liketrying.

Speaker B (59:27):
Whose whole stick is breaking out of handcuffs.

Speaker A (59:30):
Yeah, right.
His whole thing.

Speaker B (59:35):
His whole thing was with the keys somewhere.

Speaker A (59:39):
Yeah, okay.
And it was funny about Houdini.
He would go to these and I thought it was kindof funny.
He would go to these seances and be like aheckler.
He'd be like, ah, she's doing that.
Ah, she's doing that.
I saw that.
Because he knew all the tricks, right?
You know, because he did card tricks, he didescape tricks, he did all these crazy tricks.

(01:00:00):
So he knew all their tricks.
So they would be, like, tapping each other on
the foot, you know, like, hey, say something.
You know, he would say, ah, I saw that.
So imagine these sisters, like Lincoln andfamous people, and he's going, hey, that's the
party I want to be invited to.

(01:00:20):
Right, guys?

Speaker B (01:00:22):
Those four in the same room, that'd be great.

Speaker A (01:00:25):
So one of the things that it really grew was because of the trauma visited upon
the nation from the American Civil War and thelater the first world war, seances just
basically blew up, and it became into ordinaryAmericans.
So, like, maybe, you know, somebody that had asans in their house to talk to, they lost

(01:00:48):
their son to war, right?And that's what you're making.
Maybe they lost their both sons because,remember, it was brother fighting brother.
So, you know, maybe they lost them both andthey want to talk to him again.
So that really exploded where people would tryto do that.
And they bring a lot of con artists in,unfortunately.

(01:01:08):
But one of the things, when they tried tocontact all these different sons, daughters,
whoever, who died, you know, they bring thesespirit boards in.
Now, these are different from Ouija boards.
These are like, what we'd call demon boards
today, which, if you go and look online, youcan go on eBay and buy a demon board, which is

(01:01:30):
supposedly full of demons, and you're notsupposed to use it, but they sell it anyway,
so I don't know, whatever you want to say.
Correct?
Yeah, correct.
You buy cursed dolls.

Speaker B (01:01:44):
Yeah.

Speaker A (01:01:45):
Right.
You buy cursed dolls, you buy boxes.
So one of the things they would do, too, iswhen they would bring these mediums in, they
would conduct seances in people's homes.
So now it was no longer, you have to go to a
theater or you have to be invited to the WhiteHouse or to a palace.
You could have a medium come over to yourhouse or your neighbor's house and be like,

(01:02:09):
hey, let's try to contact our children andeverything.
And the funny thing was, is it was a lot ofdifferent blends resulted in expecting of
blends of coffee.
You guys have all these different practices,
so nobody knew what the other person wasdoing.
So you might be, I don't know, you go overyour neighbor's house and he does something,

(01:02:35):
or the man or the woman, whoever is the mediumthere is something completely different from
what you did last time.
Right?
And you're like, wait a minute, how's it stillworking?

Speaker C (01:02:44):
Why?

Speaker A (01:02:45):
Why is house, you know, it was just really confusing.
And one of the things they say is that's whereit's kind of the downfall, right?
That started the downfall because nobodyreally knew what the other person was doing.
They just were, after a while, you're justmaking it up.
Right.
And that's really sucks because, you know,

(01:03:06):
back, you know, in the 18 hundreds, 19hundreds, you had to work really, really,
really hard to make a living.

Speaker C (01:03:13):
Right?

Speaker A (01:03:13):
It's not in today's world where you can be like, oh, I'll just move to another
city and I'll get a better paying job orwhatever.
Right?So these people were basically conned out of a
lot of money.
Now one of the things that I really like is
they now still do it, but now it's a morescientific way.
So, for example, the modern spiritualistseance can look remarkably like, believe it or

(01:03:39):
not, a Sunday morning church service.
So you could really have people come in and
you have a group of people and you sit aroundthe table with a medium and a spirit board and
a candlelight and you might have a shamanthere who has studied, I don't know,
psychology, philosophy.

(01:04:00):
I mean, they have a degree in that, you know
what I'm saying?So it's not like you just have some guy down
the street, Bill, who's really good at seeingthings come in your house.
So these people, I thought was reallyinteresting.
And one of the things too is they, they have,when they have the seances now they kind of

(01:04:21):
use all these different equipment and theyhave mental therapy for people.
So it's like if you go to this, it's nolonger, you know, hey, I see you tapping under
the table.
Oh, I saw you lift that with that wire.
It's more like, okay, we're going to talkabout this.
Get out your feelings over losing your son oryour daughter, and let's, let's try to do this

(01:04:43):
professional.
Isn't that interesting?
It went from this to now this professional.

Speaker B (01:04:49):
It really is.
And it's just totally kind of off subject, but
something along the scientific, you know,they're using scientific equipment to make it
seem legit.
If you ever read the book angels and
demonstrate, Dan Brown.
And I'm pretty sure that's, that's, I'm pretty
sure it's in that book.
But he's, he's meeting with the woman who is,

(01:05:13):
there's a, an older lady in a casket on ascientific scale that's out to the, you know,
ten hundred thousandth in, in weight.
The woman is, is in the process of dying in
the book and they're watching the scale.
And when she dies, the scale drops by a few

(01:05:34):
thousandths of a, of a pound or whatever.
However it was out and the idea was in the
book, that was her spirit leaving her body.
And, you know, the character, you know the
character of the book.
Langston.
I don't remember that things Langston.
But he didn't, he didn't believe in it.
But as he's watching the scale and when shefinally passes, he's like, wow, there, there

(01:05:59):
was a decrease in, you know, it was enough.
Enough time where when she died, you know, 7
seconds later, the scale dropped.
And he's like, okay, that must have been her
spirit actually leaving her body.
It's kind of a neat, you know, if anyone
hasn't read that story, that's a fantasticbook to read.

(01:06:20):
It's been years since I've read it.
But, but that.

Speaker A (01:06:23):
And that's something you should know.

Speaker B (01:06:25):
It, that's where it comes out.
That's where it really adds some validity to
what you're trying to say.

Speaker A (01:06:31):
Yeah, absolutely.
So it is really interesting.
It's called 21 grams.
So supposedly the soul weighs 21 grams.
And the reason they found that out is becausea scientist back in the early 19 hundreds was
looking at these bodies and everything, and hekept on coming up with, shortly after they

(01:06:57):
die, they're 21 grams lighter.
And he was using different measurements at
that time.
And it's like, that doesn't make any sense.
Like, why would this.
And then other doctors and scientists were
saying, well, they're evacuating fluids, it'sall this stuff.
And he's like, but everybody, like, he waslike hundreds.

(01:07:20):
And he says, like, that doesn't make sense.
Why would everybody, no matter their size,
their weight, whatever, have the same number?Like, and it's really interesting.
I'm going to do a episode on that and talkabout this because it's.
It's mind blowing.
You know, you're just like.
It's just, you just get one of those thingsyou can't describe.

(01:07:43):
So anyway, that seances, I just wanted to do alittle topic on it, kind of talk about how it
went from, like this big thing, having a hugereligion.
By the way, I didn't get to spiritualism.
That's a whole different topic.
Maybe if I have you guys on, we talk aboutthat some other time.
But one of the things with spiritualism isstill today a religion.

(01:08:04):
And it deals with not as much as talking tothe former loves or whatever you want to say,
the undead.
It deals with being more spiritual.
And maybe you're not a skeptic as much as youthought you were, because maybe you understand
life beyond this.
So it kind of deals with what is beyond this
when Graham's saying, because.

Speaker C (01:08:25):
That'S about as much coffee as you use in a good cup, good size cup.

Speaker A (01:08:28):
So, yeah, there you go.
Maybe that's a new brand for you.

Speaker B (01:08:34):
Sure.

Speaker A (01:08:36):
Yeah. That's awesome.
I just think it's really interesting that how
people look at it and different points of viewand everything like that.
That's huge, you know, because I think itgives you pause.
Like I said, say what's beyond this?Like, tell me a little about paranormal
coffee, what you guys have coming up.

(01:08:58):
And, you know, so I can tell my silky friend
what we got coming up.

Speaker C (01:09:03):
Let's see, we're looking for, we're looking for opportunities for other shows and
things that'll be more social media, reach outmore.
I do a lot.
Since I'm running on the social media side,
I'm personally reaching out to everybody thatI possibly can just say hi and get stories.

(01:09:24):
I've gotten a number of great stories frominvestigators and other podcast hosts that
everyone has.
Just fantastic stories working with.
Going to be a half calf coming out soon.
We've got the extra calf version that we
talked about earlier, which will be coming outand also working towards the flavors, trying

(01:09:51):
to find different ideas and just labels thatwe can do to for like a french vanilla, a
mocha.
There's trying to think any like the
different, like Hazelnut and things like that.
That'll help the investigators get through a
night.
Or just the average Joe.
Have some spooky.

(01:10:11):
Average Joe.

Speaker A (01:10:13):
Yeah. And if you're playing D and D too, it's not only for us paranormal people.
A little D and d. Maybe having a horror moviefestival at your house.
Right?You want to stay up all night and watch a
bunch of horror movies or whatever, or justmovies in general, you know?
So Brad, thank you so much for your time.
And Brian, thanks for his time.

(01:10:35):
I really appreciate this.
You guys are great.
I love you guys.
I love this coffee brand.
Like I said, I'll do everything in my power toget you to my spooky friends and hopefully
help you grow your business and everything.
And I'd love to have you back on sometime.

Speaker C (01:10:50):
Oh, absolutely.
You got a cup coming, so work on some other
swag for you.
And I had a great time and would love to be
back on.

Speaker A (01:10:58):
Right.
So we end the show two ways.
We say hi to your ghost because, hello, ghost.
You never know, you might have a ghost and
stay spooky.
Yes.
Thanks, Brad.
Hey, see ya.
Take care.

Speaker C (01:11:12):
You too.