Spirits of Savannah: Ghostly Encounters and Paranormal Insights with Mike and Ty Spirit Xperience, LLC

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>> John (00:14):
Hello my spooky friends and welcome to another episode of
Dairyland Frights, the paranormal podcast that covers everything
spooky, creepy and mysterious in the
Midwest and beyond. And
today again the great guests
continue because I have from my
favorite haun haun city, Savannah,
Georgia. Mike and Ty,

(00:37):
welcome.

>> Mike (00:38):
Thank you, thank you for having us.

>> Ty (00:40):
Thank you.

>> John (00:48):
And Mike, before you talk about your
with your business and everything because they
do, they do ghost tours among other things. One
of the things I find lovely bout the Savannah
and my spooky friends, if you've never been
to Savannah, you gotta go. It was voted one of
the most haunted cities in America.
Although California is starting to take over

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and I don't know why, but yes.

>> Mike (01:14):
we run a paranormal and interactive
paranormal walking ghost tour her here in Savannah called
Spirit ExperienceIRance LLC. You know we
started well, we've worked for other companies here in
Savannah for years now and
we decided we'want to go on for own. Not that we're saying that anybody was doing
anything wrong. In fact the last company we work with we're still good
friends with. We get along real well but we just want to

(01:36):
do our own thing. What we found is as you know, and again
nothing wrong with anything anybody else does is you
know, they'd want a tour at 8 o'clock and then one at 10 o'clock.
So we were re having to rush the 8 o'clock people through to make sure we can
make it to the 10 o'clock tour. And they would have upwards
to 30 people which is the legal limit in Savannah for
two or 30 guests on a tour. And

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with what we do that just didn't work out for
us. We found that around 15 people is
perfect for the kind of tour we lead.
You know, we do share the history, we share the
folklore just like you get on any other tour. But
what we like to do is actually take time to conduct
many paranormal investigations at many of our
stops. So with that being said, you know, we

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like to have that extra time. We've promote a two
hour tour but we've yet to do one. Two hours.
Last night we did one. It was three hours. So we don't like to
have any kind of time constraint. Mainly our guest put it
on. Yes, yes. If the guests need to hurry up.

>> Ty (02:33):
Yeah.

>> Mike (02:34):
With of course guests come first. We say our
guest is our priority. But what we like to do is
you know, share the history, share the folklore, but
actually let people have some experiences with the
spirits that's here in Savannah and which Are
very numerous. I don't know how California's overtaking us, so I'm
interested to know about that. But, Savannah is well

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known. We say we're city built, our dead. And you're never really far
from a corpse. And that's just not something we
just say out of anywhere you visit. you know
for a fact how many unmarked cemeteries are in
Savannah. And just everywhere you go is going. This
person's buried right here in the middle of the squares we have
here. So Savannah is a very
active city.

>> John (03:17):
absolutely. And Mike, again, I'm so
sorry you're so soy.
If you can call me Steve.
So Mike, one of the things is
this is interesting before we get into like a little
bit telling us some interesting tales and a little bit
about, you know, some of your paranormal
investigations and everything. I was looking up on your

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website and this is great. So you were a
former reverend and you're a classically
trained philosopher. Tell, my spooky
friends. I mean that's interesting.
I.

>> Mike (03:51):
Yes, well, yes. I'm class trained. I went
to University Illinois Springfield and kind of do
a little boasting here. But my
professor Peter Baltic there, my advisor,
he was, he is actually the head of the American
Philosophical association for years.
I don't know if he currently is, but I know he has for years. So that
was the person I learned under. And so

(04:14):
it was. I really enjoyed philosophy.
Still love it. My wife don't like the fact that I like to argue
so much.

>> Ty (04:20):
But you know, he's so
logical with it though too. It's like, oh, I just want to
win.

>> Mike (04:26):
Which helps out with, you know, paranormal
investigations. Let's look at this logically first, you know, let's
eliminate all the logical possibilities to
see what we have left over.

>> John (04:37):
Absolutely, absolutely.

>> Mike (04:39):
With Reverend I was u, with the United Methodist church for eight
years. I did leave the church. So,
being a pastor is not what I was really called to do. Ah, if
people don't know about that. I'm more, I like more of
the theology side of things than I do the actual
pastoring side of things. Pastorings that ah, to
all the Indian pastors listening, they have an

(05:00):
extremely difficult job. They really do.
It's 24, 7, there's no breaks.
And I got burned out really quick. That's what
happened. And so y. So I left the church. You know, in
fact I left my faith for a while too. But that's something we'll get
into when we share a story a little bit more yeah,
absolutely. And actually what brought me back to my
faith was paranormal occurrences.

(05:23):
M. That's something we could go into further a little later if you
like.

>> John (05:26):
Absolutely. And. And Hi Aaron.

>> Ty (05:29):
Can you hear me now? yay.

>> Erin (05:33):
Hel just did what everybody does. I just push buttons
until something worked, you know.

>> Mike (05:41):
Well, we didn't get the meet. I'm Steve and this is time.

>> Erin (05:44):
Nice to meet.

>> Mike (05:45):
No, I'm sorry about that.

>> Erin (05:46):
I don't know.

>> John (05:48):
I actually called Mike Steve, Aaron.
Like what's going on here? Come on.

>> Ty (05:55):
I got a little creeped out since that's my father's name.

>> Erin (05:59):
Interesta.

>> Ty (06:00):
Uh-huh.

>> John (06:01):
I have guys I've been interviewing a lot
of mediums and a lot of
psychics. So maybe they're starting to get in
my had. So maybe I'm like whooo.

>> Ty (06:12):
Maybe I need get my therapist for me.

>> John (06:17):
So anyway, Aaron, ah, we're just kind of talking a little bit
about with Mike and Ty, kind of a little bit of their backgrounds. So we're gonna
get into a little bit more of that. But Ty,
you're a clairvoyant, so could you
kind of talk a little bit about that?

>> Ty (06:30):
Sure. I
was when I was born. I was born very prematurely
and I was actually baptized and given my
lost rites all at birth. So it seems a veil
never really closed for me. One of my first
memories is living in Tucson, Arizona. My grandparents raised
me. Going down for a nap, bright

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sunshine, about 11o, probably noon.
But seeing shadow people come towards me. Not one
or two, but dozens of them. I always
knew stuff about my family.
when we traveled, I know you know, we was same family in other
states I've never met before. But I knew the home. I
knew lay out. I always knew little stuff. They always kind of

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freaked my grandparents out a little bit and
my other aunts and uncles I was raised
with. And then as when I got older, a
little bit young I should say, you know, an
adolescent. my step grandfather actually went
to Mexico quite often and I would travel with him with
my grandmother and I would, I would learn

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how to do Olympia'cleansings which is former
cleansing candle work route working
with him. And I even saw
possessions. so yeah, my
job there was just sit there and do the rosary. But
as I got older I participated a little
bit more with the aspect of everything. So I

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always felt like I always had something new
me. I tend to see stuff or smell stuff. Mostly
for me it's smell and taste. A lot of spirits will bring
me to smell on odd Taste.
That's got together some. Some crazy
things did happen with us.
Yeah.

>> John (08:11):
So let. Let's talk about those crazy
things. Well, this is interesting. Like
you got. Did you since ty your're clairvoyant
did you like Mike is going to come into my life and
I'mnn does anything like that or
I'm kind of curious.

>> Mike (08:27):
No more psychic.

>> Ty (08:28):
Yeah, that's y.

>> John (08:29):
That's more psychic. Right.

>> Ty (08:32):
Honestly, I was my rep PR to Mike and my
first husband passed away. Which was for
me that was the first year after he passed away.
That was the first time everything around me was
silent. There was no smells, no taste
actually fell odd. I was literally
alone. Like completely alone.
when I met Mike,

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that was just me being on
the Internet looking for somebody.

>> Mike (09:00):
We don't tell them we.

>> John (09:01):
Not the Internet. That's okay. We don'to
getange.

>> Erin (09:04):
Ok.

>> Mike (09:07):
I mean a lot of people do these.

>> John (09:10):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

>> Ty (09:11):
And I met him and there was something about him
that attracted me. he's very
outspoken. Veryated. And I love that he
was confident in himself now at the
time he was a plumber. Plumbers don't scare me.
I can talk to lawyers. Anybody. Doesn't scare me.
The only one that do scare me is his actual

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degree. People there are philosophers have always frightened
me because
they just can argue and argue
and argue. They're not argue, they're really debate.

>> Erin (09:43):
Right.

>> John (09:43):
Ye.

>> Ty (09:44):
But you never yourself never feel heard. So
that was kind of intimidating for me. But there was something about
me that just was drawn to. It's so like
draw to my hus.

>> John (09:56):
I love it.
Hey Aaron, do you have any questions? I know you came in late. Do you have
any quick questions for Mike and time?

>> Erin (10:02):
I just find that very interesting that you were saying that like the difference
between, you know, medium, clairvoyant, psychic.
I think a lot of people don't understand the differences. I know I didn't
forrrow the longest time. And then also
culturally, you know, we're kind of very different
in that aspect because like you were saying down in Mexico,
like they have a really different belief in
that, you know, kind of stuff. Whereas here somebody could

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be possessed maybe and they're like, oh, they're
psychotic or they're this CEO and you know what I
mean? Because we kind of look
at things a little differently than other cultures, per se.
You would you agree to that?

>> Ty (10:38):
Definitely. Oh,
whoheartedly? Yes, definitely.

>> Erin (10:43):
So I mean it wasn't a question per se. It was just more like,
you know, Finding out a little more in depth, I
suppose, because, even now, like, I don't
understand all of the differences, you know, and somebody says,
oh, I'm a medium and clairvoyant. I'm like, okay, I don't
really understand myself. I know I can sense
things, but I don't say that I'm any of them, because I don't.

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I'm not sure if that makes sense.

>> Ty (11:08):
Absolutely. So for me, psychic is somebody
that could tell the future, tell the present, and until the
past, I believe your future can
always be changed. So I. I mean, I necessarily
don't always agree with that. U medium is somebody that
could actually speak to the spirits and call forth a
loved one spirit. those for me are very

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tricky. I mean, if a loved one spirit wants to
show up, right, they can. But I can't necessarily
call it a specific spirit to show up.
And a clairvoyant to me is somebody that is just
sensitive to the spirit world, and they can
interact with the spirit. Spirits choose to interact with them. it's more
of, you know, rolling a dice. You never

(11:49):
know what you're gon toa get or who you're gonna get or who wants to show up to
you. And the. I come in contact
on a daily basis with the tur company. We have
actually built friendship with these
spirits, and they have known ushing that we built
a trust. And just like you build human relationships,
you can build that relationship and they will
come forward. But I'm not. I don't

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psychics. I don't. I mean, I believe there are twoue psychics
out there, and I believe there are tr. Mediums out there. I
don't think they're as, often or
as.

>> Mike (12:20):
As. As prevalent as it may appear to me. I
guess it's what there'are true out there. But, you
know, just as with anything, you know, you have
to use your best judge a lot ofern.

>> Ty (12:32):
Yeah, for me personal, I just find it really odd to take
anybody's money for those gifts. If you
truly have a gift like that and somebody comes to you
want to communicate to a loved one and want to say
their lost thoughts or apologize or something. I just
think it's kind of cringey to get paid for that.

>> Erin (12:49):
Yeah.

>> Ty (12:50):
My personal opinion, which you.

>> Mike (12:52):
It may sound hypocritical being. You know, we run a ghost tour.
We want people to have these spirits, these spirits out
here. That's more of a commercial thing. I mean, it's
a walking tour. You're taking this Tour and we do
do private investigations and those are just
what it is. They private. And we don't discuss
them. We, you know, that's just between us and that,
that family or situation. And we do not

(13:14):
charge them. Not a single day. You know,
like t likes to tellone. You know, they invite us
over, they say well, what do we need to pay you guys? We'go nothing
at all. But she says, but you know, if you want to have a coffee pot going or something
like that, that would be great.

>> Erin (13:29):
I agree with you, like you know, kind of on the fence about
it because I think that yes, you know,
perhaps offer, you know, stuff, but
then on the same side of it, if you have a
skill that you're able to offer and, and
just like with any trade, make a little bit of a living
off of, you know, I don't.

(13:49):
It just depends what I think what your intention and
motive would be. You know what I mean?
You're like I just want money, then that's not
quite the thing. But if you're like I need to make a living
but you know, I have all these other difficulties. However, I'm
very skilled and good at this, then
maybe with the right intention.

>> Ty (14:08):
Oh yeah, I
absolutely. I just. I have personalfly
known psychics, they have
actually charged like $500.

>> Erin (14:18):
You better know everything. I want the lotter numbers for that kind
of money.

>> Ty (14:23):
Yeah, it's kind of riculous. I think
it's a good clientele and
charging a fair fee.
Yly, but ones I know are
like ridiculously expensive.

>> Mike (14:36):
Well, not too long ago, you know, I won't go into
any details, but someone got in contact with us about
an issue they were havingy and they asked if we could come.
We like, oh yeah, absolutely. So how much you going to charge?
We said, oh, not a peny. He said, well, I've been in touch with two
other paranormal investigators and they said it was gonna be offer
of $5,000.

>> Ty (14:56):
What?

>> Erin (14:56):
Yeah, yeah.

>> Mike (14:57):
I didn't ask him who it was, anything like that.
But. But that sort of thing, you know, we have
to be careful. Yes, I understand there are psychics out there
that run a business and you go to them knowing you're going to
pay for this service, that's one thing. But
you know, I'm sure with you guys being in the same
field that we're in here, I'm sure you get those all the

(15:17):
time. Hey, let me give you a free psychic reading. Have
you received those messages? yeah. And it's like,
well, I'll give You free psychic reading if you make this
donation of $100 or something, right?

>> Erin (15:29):
Yeah.

>> Mike (15:30):
That's kind of scammy. You know that.

>> Erin (15:31):
And again, the intentions aren't right and so
it's just not right. And yeah, that
is very crunchy.

>> John (15:39):
Yes, absolutely.
So one of the things I thought was really
interesting, Mike, this is off your website, so
just correct me if I'm wrong, but you put something
on here that fascinated me and it said under your
get to know, Mike and Ty. It said. People
ask me, I'm quoting, I think this is from you unless
somebody else put it on there and you have to tell me. But people ask

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me, do you believe in the
paranormal? And my reply is
no, I know that the paranormal
exists. I know this
because of numerous personal experiences
that I have witnessed over the course of my life.
And I thought that was really

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interesting. Like so explain
that you don't believe it, but you do believe it. I
mean.

>> Mike (16:27):
No, no, no. I'm sorry, I guess I'm not explained. You know,
somebody asked me do I believe in the paranorma? I go note,
I know the paranormal exists. It's not a
belie. You know.

>> John (16:36):
Yeah.

>> Mike (16:37):
Belief isn't something that,
that you do not know but you hope it's true.

>> John (16:43):
Right.

>> Mike (16:44):
Where knowing is. No, I don't
have to believe in it because it's true. You know, I don't have
to believe that. I'm speaking with you right now. I know I'm speaking
with you right now. And so that's what I mean by that
saying that you know, I don't believe in the
paranormal. I know the paranormal exists and it is a
very real thing. No belief system is needed

(17:04):
for me. Right. Angible is you and I right
now. To me.

>> John (17:08):
Exactly. And there's a difference that I think
people they treat it like a belief.
And I'm like, you're right. No, it
exists. And Erin from is
from Patriot Paranormal. She's a paranormal investigator
herself and her team and you know they've
had and arin you can speak on it
numerous experiences. So again

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it's hard for people to understand that like
belief like what's your belief versus
this is the truth. This actually is. So I
think that's really interesting. Eon have has anybody come to
you and your team would be like what's your belief in
this? And you know, how do you. You like
talk about it a little bit? Because I'm just fascinate

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by and you.

>> Erin (17:52):
Know, for a lot of people and I like to call Normies, you know,
don't, don't go around chasing, you know,
spirits and stuff, but they, you know,
I think it's just hard to accept that there could be
something because then you, you go into all kinds of things within
life, of all kinds of questions. And I think
for some people that creates fear. And so

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when they get fear based then
they tend to, you know what I mean, shy away
from the hard questions because it does make
you confront stuff like that, you know,
because why are some spirits that come back really happy and
you know, playing tricks, but other spirits are growling and really
literally want to strangle you? You know. And
so it makes, it'just it

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opens up such a wide door of
possibilities and questions and da, da, da. So I think a lot of
people get very like, not
scared, but you know, it just, like I said,
it opens up a big door, a big Pandora's
box of oh my gosh, you know, I
am in the same boat though is, you know, and
when I started it was just, I believed. But by

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the, you know, now years in, I'm like,
yeah, like this stuff is
not, not real, you know, and it's
like you. And of course everybody has
different perspectives because that was
my experience. So somebody else's experience was like,
oh, that's not what I heard. And I'm like, well. And

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then that brings in the whole other, side of it, which
is, you know, stuff that you cannot
portray to other people even though it's
recorded, like when you have an experience, you know,
like we did an investigation about a month or so ago
ago and I got really angry and I'm not, I just
don't, you know, I don't get angry, but I started getting really
pissed and I had to excuse myself and

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make myself leave the area. But you
couldn't, even though you saw me kind of
getting a bit pissy and I was rolling my eyes and like,
whatever, I could feel it, but trying to convey
that to another person, you know what I mean? And so
like this is real like that, that I wasn't just
getting attitude for no reason. Like it really was
starting to affect me and that was real. But somebody else might be

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like, well, it was 3 in the morning, you're tired, so blah, blah, blah,
you know, and so there's a lot of different
perspectives. But yeah, if that, if that answers
anyways sort of the question.

>> John (20:15):
Yeah, well, so yeah, go
ahead. No, I was just going toa say with
you, being a reverend, I mean, that's a
big thing, right? Well, it's real.
Yeah. Yeah. Former refereend former
reverend being, you know,
belief versus it's real.
Right. And so, you know, you can kind of.

(20:38):
I don't know if you can talk about that if you'd like
to. You know how that people coming up to
you. Right.

>> Mike (20:46):
Do ask, you know, me being former pastor.
Well, how is it, believe in these spirits in this manner? However,
I was in the Methodist Church and the, the founders
of Methodism, John and Charles Wesley, grew
up in a home in England that literally had a
poltergeist that they named Old Jeffrey.
They would say they saw Old Jeffrey move things. They hear

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nots they have things missing. When these happen, they'd be, oh,
that's Old Jeffrey up to his old trick. So the founders of
Methodism believed in spirits as we
believe in, or know their spirits, I guess we should say
now. But so you know that. That's, for the
denomination I came out of. Now. She's a good Catholic girl.
And we all know that there's a lot of Catholic priests out there who are
paranormal investigators who do know this is real, who

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do these things.
So, I think, we run into some people of maybe
other denominations within that thought
process that are taught that all this stuff's
just evil. Stay away from it. We run into.
It would guest on our tours. We'll have people that
just don't want to participate at all, which is perfectly fine. You
know, we want to ask though, I mean, you read our website. It's like,

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did you read before you signed over a tour? But you know, we.

>> John (21:53):
Yeah, yeahize.

>> Mike (21:54):
This is what we're going to do, you know.

>> John (21:57):
Right.

>> Mike (21:58):
But so, that's kind of how I feel
about it, is that it is in no
contradiction to my belief system at
all. that spirits are just a part
of that. And the way. And I've done a lot of
thinking about it, you know, people. Some people will claim that,
oh, the Bible says absent of body is present with
God. However, Jesus, I

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believe, interpret it this way. It was said that we
cannot enter the kingdom of heaven until we let go of
this world. And so I feel there's so
many spirits and you know, not saying they're good, not
saying they're bad, but they're hanging on to something here
for whatever reason. And until they, if they can let
go of that, they can't cross over.

>> Ty (22:40):
Like the movie.

>> Mike (22:40):
It's like the TV show, right?
Don't say it. Y'all watch the show goes yes.

>> Erin (22:46):
Yeah.

>> Mike (22:46):
You ever seen the.

>> John (22:47):
Yes. Yes. Yeah.

>> Mike (22:48):
So he's about to say, you got to get sucked
offd.
But. But in that, you know, and that's kind of something that,
Aaron was kind of speaking on. you know,
people who are here, like I said, it's not that they're good or bad that they're
here, but we both think, we agree
on this, that however you were in life, that's how
you're gonna be on the other side. If you are a good person in

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life, you're gonna be a good person on the other side. If you are
mean SOB in life, you're going toa be a mean SOB on the
other side.

>> Ty (23:17):
You'prer. You'renna be a prankster.

>> Mike (23:19):
Yeah. I mean, and so you know that you keep your person out.
Like I said, I don't think it's a good or evil thing that these
people hadn't passed on yet. There's just something in this world they need to let
go of. And once they do that, the crossover can
finally happen, which is something we actually do on our. And
when we go in to help people, first, we discover if we're dealing
with a human spirit or if we're dealing with something

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else. And if it's a human spirit, we do try to
have a regular conversation, like we're talking with you right now, and explain
to them that it's okay to let go. And going over
to the other side now.

>> John (23:50):
Yeah.

>> Mike (23:51):
It doesn't happen quite as much as we'd like it to,
but sometimes you can tell that that spirit did
let go.

>> John (23:58):
Yeah. Yeah.
Now, this is something I think really
interest me. Mike is being
a former pastor. Reverend, huh? Did people know
you were in the paranormal? Like, did your
congregation know that? Did you make it
present?

>> Mike (24:14):
Well, okay. Well, at that time, I
really wasn't so much into it as I am now. This
came through, this lovely lady right
here. Things that we're into now. But at the
time, though, no, I did have, two different
parishioners, over the course of eight years that
did have some trouble with some demonic activity that we
did have to take care of in their homes.

(24:37):
So I did have that experience before meeting
time.

>> Ty (24:40):
And you had some childhood experience.

>> Mike (24:41):
And some childhood experiences, but I don't recall. Just my
mother would tell me about them. You know, had a childhood
friend that I called Bobby. And,
you know, this one, like, two years old, two, three years old. I don't
recall this at all. But, she said I had a
childhood friend that I called Bobby. When we moved out of
the house that we were in. She just thought, you know, Brady Bunch, little

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Bobby on braid Bunch, maybe I made this imaginary
friend. But after we had moved out of that house, they
actually came to find out that somebody who
escaped Nazi Germany moved into that
house and actually hung themselves in the attic of
that house. And his name was Robert.
So. Yeah, so you know, again, I don't recall. But

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my mom would tell me this and she'tell me other things like
this. And so I don't. You know, it wasn't
really until time and I got together that
some undeniable things happened and, and
that got us, got us together going
in. That's how we finally wound up doing these investigations and
doing tours and.

>> John (25:42):
Yeah, and I'll get into that little bit
about when you were first married in your experiences.
But can you.
This is just a weird question for me.
Like why do just Catholic
priests do exorcism and no one
else can? Like, like why shouldn't a Lutheran or
Methodist or y. Okay, go ahead.

>> Mike (26:02):
Yeah, that's not true. Uay some non,
not non denominational churches, they do it all the time.
But I kind of question some of the validity of some
of those exorc. However, my personal
belief is we're Christians, we follow Christ.
And Christ said, I give you the power to cast out
deep. He didn't say you need to be a priest. He didn't say. He said
if you, if you believe in me, I give you that

(26:25):
power. And he says in my name you can cast out
demons. In fact you have the case that not
just of his apostles but disciples went out and
they went out and they came back and they said, they healed the
sick, they were casting out demons and they reported, they said and
there's some demons we couldn't get rid of. And Jesus
said well some of the only way to get rid of them was through fasting in

(26:45):
prayer. And so. But these are just regular
disciples, not his close apostles that he sent out
the cast out demons and who were casting out these.
So he gave further instruction on how to continue to
cast out these thingsings. So I don't think it's you know,
just for the Catholics to do. I think it's for all
believers to do right now. But we allive

(27:06):
gifts. Right. So within that. So
are some maybe a little bit better at it than others? Yes, because
we all have different gifts. We all make up this body of Christ
and so we all have different gifts. And so, you know,
maybe somebody has the gift of being able
to tell demons just get out and somebody else. They may be
able to do it, but it just takes a lot more work.

>> Erin (27:26):
That's interesting.

>> John (27:26):
Yeah, yeah, that's.
See, that's really interesting to me because I noticed
on the website you're a demonologist,
which is fascinating. And Aaron, I don't know, I
don't think we've ever spoken about any really
evil that you encountered, but have you encountered evil
on any of your. You know, I'm using evil. The
generic. On any of your

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investigations.

>> Erin (27:49):
I mean, no, I've never come across anything that I would consider
demonic, thankfully. Because,
yeah, I don't know how I'd react to that. Probably like, you know,
tucktail and run and. And then call you guys.
But like. Because,
you know, obviously I don't want to encounter anything like that. but
no, I've. Even in places that were supposedly demonic,

(28:09):
I've never encountered that. Now, you
know, a person that was evil in life and then
was carried on through death. Yes, I,

>> John (28:17):
Yeahah.

>> Erin (28:18):
I was a grow at, you know, which
was very. And I knew at the time
because I felt it. It was very
intentional and very, very angry.
And you could feel it and then you could hear it.
And But I heard it in my ear and
then it was caught on the tape and you

(28:38):
could hear the growl, I mean, as plain as day,
just like you and I are sitting here talking. and
that I could tell was
extremely, But just an evil person in
life. Just not a kind person anyways. And so
that. Yeah, that kind of was like, whoa,
okay. But, But again, not demonic, you
know, just a real jerk. And

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he wanted to let every woman in that place know
that that was his, that was how
he rolled. But thankfully, no, nothing demonic. And
I'm very grateful for that, really, because, you
know, I do. I'm also a Christian and I
do try to, you know, always have,
you know, God with me wherever I
am. And But there are times that, you know, you're tired and you

(29:22):
go a place and you don't feel as protected
and, you know, so, yeah, I'm like,
okay, I need some protection because I feel kind of weak right
now and I do not want to encounter anything that I couldn't personally
handle, you know, and. And I'm
definitely not a person that would be like, oh, yeah, no problem,
whatever, you know. No, I'm like, you

(29:43):
know, I can tell when I'm, a little rundown or
feeling weak and would be
susceptible to something. So I
thankfully haven't Ever how to deal with anything
on that real.
And if I was invited on. If I was invited
to a place that they're like, oh, yeah, no, we've run into this
demon. Like, so I'd be like, yeah, no, I'm good. I

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think we'll leave that to the professionals.

>> John (30:09):
Yeah.

>> Mike (30:11):
Now, I'm glad to hear you say that sort of thing because, you know,
YouTube and some of these, you know, TV
personalities, but have you believe there's a demon behind every
corner and every had location. And they're
extremely rare, especially in that kind of
manifestation that they're wanting to portray them as.
You know, do they exist? Yes, they do exist.
Yes, that is the thing. However, it's not as

(30:34):
prevalent as people would want you to
believe. It just gets you clicked.
Right.

>> Erin (30:39):
So of course, you know, just. And back
to the whole trade thing, you know, it's just, you know, whatever your
skill is, and if that's your thing, then that's your thing,
you know, And I, I don't knock people for it. You know,
everybody's gonna do what they're gonna do. But, but yeah, I totally
agree with you.

>> John (30:55):
Yeah, yeah,
yeah. So I, Yeah, I just find that little
fascinating. Like you said, there's a demon. There's a demon.
Like, it's like everywhere.

>> Erin (31:05):
Thank God there's not really one.

>> John (31:06):
Every makes everyone.

>> Erin (31:08):
Yeah, right, right.

>> John (31:10):
Yeah. And it makes. Yeah,
absolutely. And it makes everyone who's serious and
trying to help we get the brunt of, yeah,
sure, there's a demon, you know, sure there's ghost. She's
sure you guys are faking it. And I'm like,
man, you're ruining it for everybody. Like, stop it. I
get it. Like you said, click.

(31:31):
It's ridiculous.

>> Mike (31:32):
We don't want to. Like, we're trying to be holier than thou, but
case of a real demon, I mean, that's
something that definitely handled
privately and not something that should be broadcasted
all over youub. That's something especially when you. A person
that has this. You, you know, that just to us and we
just find it in very.

>> Erin (31:50):
Poor t. It's awome that sort
from anything that I have seen. And when something really like
that is truly involved, it'it's
life altering for the person it's happening to.
And you know, and that's just definite. It's really
awful the things that they go through. And so it's not
something that you want to.

>> John (32:10):
Yes.

>> Erin (32:10):
You know, have a TV show for. And I know,
and I know some people that do Have a, you know, TV
show. They have really good intentions. And.
And I saw. I'm like, okay, good, you're helping people. But
then there's, you know, other people that you're just like, it's
not entertainment. That's not funny.
You know what I mean? Or not. Not that they're trying to be funny, but you know what I'm
sayingso it's like, serious.

>> John (32:32):
Right? Right? Yeah, yeah.

>> Ty (32:35):
No, it's very.

>> John (32:36):
Yeah, exactly.
So, Ty, this is interesting.
I'm. I'm reading again off the website.
It says when you were first married, you guys
experienced supernatural events that were
undeniably to the point that I.
And I guess Mike, you nicknamed
her

(32:57):
you. Can we talk about some of the. Let's
talk about some of those experiences, because I think
that's. Hey, spooky. How you do it. That's a cute little
nickname.

>> Ty (33:08):
Well, I mean, a lot of things happen, but
when we first got together, we were talking and we knew this was going
to go serious. I mean, there's a lot of things Mike
shared with me back then.
He was really struggling with his faith and the
believing, his belief in God. And I've always
had my faith. I've always been

(33:28):
100% sure that there is a God.
I mean, there's no doubt in my mind at all
and in my heart. So I found
love with somebody that wasn't quite sure.
which for me, I kind of, you know, I really
fell in love with him and I prayed about it
and. And for me, the Lord told me,

(33:50):
it's fine. Mary, you know, Mary, him.
but we were talking. We wanted
to, you know, we're older, wanted to get all the cards on the table
kind of situation. And
I was like, hey, you know, I know you struggle with
your belief in God, but what are your
thoughts on ghosts? People see ghost, people

(34:10):
talking to ghosts, you know, what. What are your thoughts?
And he was like, well, I've had. I've
heard. I've had childhood experiences, and I'm open
to. And I'm like, well, like, do you.
How I said, do you believe in it? And he's like,
I'm not sure. He wasn't sure at that time. I'm like,
well, how about your partner

(34:32):
communicates with them, like, pretty much on a
daily basis. And he was like, like, you could talk
to my mom. And I'm like, no,
not really. And that's how we kind of started
talking about it. but actually, when we first
got married, as soon as we said, I do
we ended up my father in law. I

(34:52):
had our boys. We have, I have two sons for Mike
and they went at my f in law's house and Mike and I went back to our little
house on Tyy and we opened up the
door, to letad our dog out and you could literally
fill something enter the house with
us. Like something entered the
house and at the time it was just

(35:13):
really, really odd. Our dog would not like
we had to drag him back in the house. He went out to pee and he
wouldn't want to come m back into the house. Something was
in the house. And as soon as that day happened, like little
things would start happening. My hairbrush
would be missing. We'd find it outside in the common area. We lived in
a little area that had like a couple apartments, a

(35:33):
little air it outside. We'd find out my hairbrush
outside. the coffee pot would turn on
and off randomly. He would claim or not I
should claim you would say that you would have a full
conversation with something in the bathroom and
all of a sudden he'd be like where did you go? Where are you at? And I'm like
I've been in the kitchen the whole time. Or in the front room.

(35:54):
He's like no, you were right here. So m little things would
be happening like that. And then we started really
arguing. We were constantly fighting and we
were at each other's throats. But when we would
leave the property we were fine.
We would loving and get along and be sweet to each
other. But as soon as we pulled into that parking lot again,

(36:15):
our driveway and opened up that gate to that
common area, it was on. We would fight. If I could go
outside and scream, nobody would hear me.
Not a single person would hear me yelling
outside. We would lose time. We would
have lights flicker and odd way we'd have
a candle that was burnt out at least three days

(36:36):
in the trash can and it would explode on us.
I mean it was just the oddest
things. I mean we were at the point where we didn't want to
be with each other. I mean it was just at
that point where.

>> Erin (36:50):
It's interesting. I have heard of those kind of
spirits before.

>> John (36:54):
Go ahead.

>> Mike (36:56):
Well, we say it spirit now we know that it was
that, you know, demons are rare. but we do know
that that was the case. That was a demonic situation.
We actually did have to take steps to
remove it from us.

>> Ty (37:10):
We would lose time.

>> Mike (37:11):
Things she's saying. I mean one night we were sitting
on the couch and she SM the Lights flickeringering
went so much a flicker. This. We heard this sound
and it totally sounded like an airplane was about
to crash into our park
or bungalow, I should say. I mean, I
swore that either he was getting bombed or say, I mean, that's how

(37:32):
loud he got. And then the sound went
through the place we were in. When I went through
it made a sound kind I can't make the sound. I don't do
it justice. But it kind of did a war.
And as it did that, the lights didn't
flicker. They dimmed and
then brightened back up again with the sound as
it flowed through. And so that, that, I mean,

(37:54):
we both jumped up off the co was like, what in the world's going on
here?

>> John (37:57):
Yeah.

>> Mike (37:58):
And so things like that, you know. Now mind you, this
was during COVID So we'spendt a lot of time at
home. so we're home for all this. So, you know, we
say these things, but these were actually spread out over.
Yeah, of course good years. You know what. Like it's
one thing after another. but the things that would
happen was just undenia. I mean,
there was no logical explanation for

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the things that were happening.

>> Ty (38:22):
We would lose. I mean, we would lose hours.

>> Erin (38:24):
And I you
funny, because that's what exactly what popped up in my mind was.
That sounds demonic. You know, that doesn't
sound normal, you know, as a
huunting if that. If there's a normal hunting,
you know.

>> Mike (38:39):
Right, right. Yes. Another night we were the same thing.
We're sitting on the couch, right? And we're living at the beach at
the sound. We're literally a block from the ocean. but we
started hearing wind chimes. No big deal. You're at
the beach. Wind chimes. That's what you hear at the beach, right?
And then they got louder and
louder. Then it sounded like it completely

(38:59):
surrounded. Well, we called it the
shack. It was a buddy of mine that rented to us. It wasn't old
shack, he converted in two. Just a little, small, little
bungalow that we were renting from. You know, it wasn't
very large, but again, we were literally one block
and we were standing in the sand, you know, so.

>> John (39:16):
Yeah, nice.

>> Mike (39:18):
But we're in this. And it sounded like the wind chimes
complete surrounded. And it got so loud we literally had to cover our
ears. It was so light. I mean, these are
things that, You know, if I'm would experience that. Okay, maybe I
need to go to a southst to get checked out.

>> John (39:32):
Sure.

>> Mike (39:32):
We both expercing these things at the same Time and
both reacting in the same manner. So it's just
undeniable these things were happening. And did
things got really, really, really bad?

>> Ty (39:44):
Yeah. I mean, I remember one specific time we had just taken
our youngest son to the airport. We turned back
home, and like, I said, m. And I said, we got home, we're
pretty much bickering. And we started bickering again. And I
went to our little couch and
I was laying down, but all of a sudden I felt something
like, touch me. Like, rub my shoulders and

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touch me. And I looked up and it was our youngest
son. And I sat up and I
walked away. And I said, go away, go away, go away.
And Mike was like, what, What? Who you talking to? I'm not going
away. I mean, my house. You can go over there. And I
was like, no, are our youngest. She's
like, what you mean? I'm like, I was laying
on our youngest lap on the

(40:26):
couch, and he was touching me, but
it wasn't him. I mean, stuff
like that would happen.

>> Mike (40:33):
Like, she was saying, when I was shaving, and I could
have sworn, I knew it was her standing doorway. Ah. And I was talking to
her, and like, she said, that's when she came here and said, who am
I talking to? And whatever that was vanished. She turned.
And so this stuff, I mean, it.
It's like. It's stuff that you hear. And you go, oh,
you know, if I heard somebody else telling me this before

(40:54):
we experienced it, I go, there's no way that happened. That's insane.
That's. But after living it, that's why now
say, I know the paranormal exist. I know these things
happen.

>> John (41:03):
Yes.

>> Mike (41:04):
You know, on our thing, we say spirit, spirits, right under it. We
put. We believe you because we like to give
people, you know, we like to say, tell us your stories that
share with us. You know, we're not going to be the ones to go, oh, you're
insane. We're going to say, okay, let's look into this
further and see what, may be going on.
Yeah, we've been there and done that.

>> Ty (41:23):
Like. Like, I'll be going to bed. He would say,
like I said, it was so small. It was like a studio. He would say he
saw something fall to bed with me. And when we finally. When he
finally saw what it was, he had
opened up our front door. And that's when that thing
stood right in front of it and he froze in
Horro. I've never saw Michael or Mike

(41:43):
so scared in his life. I call him Michael
So scared in his life. I mean, he was.
Yeah, he was frozen. I have to go
over to him and like, shake him and like have focus on
me. Because whatever
the way he described it, his vision was, what he saw,
I wasn't fortunate.

>> Mike (42:03):
Unfort, Yes.

>> Ty (42:05):
I wasn't, I'm gonna say fortunate or unfortunate.

>> Mike (42:07):
Yeah.

>> Ty (42:08):
Whatever he described, I'm glad I didn't see it.

>> Mike (42:10):
Yes.

>> Ty (42:10):
but I did get some sense of smell,
around Mike, around the house when it
did come forward. But what he saw, I mean,
it frightened him to the core. He actually had to have
his mom. I thank her every time, but his mom showed up to
him and told him to get up.

>> Mike (42:28):
You have to get up and fight this thing. U I believe what I
saw was an actual demon. And you
don't want to see one. the best way I can describe it. Are
you familiar with a goal on?

>> John (42:38):
Yes, M h, yes, yes.

>> Mike (42:40):
It was a gold golem looking
thing. It, it was just sparkly in the eyes, you know, it wouldn't red
or anything. It's just kind of like
electric. Just the way this. And when
I saw this thing, I literally just shut
down because it just.

>> Erin (42:59):
Got me to a cor terrify.

>> Mike (43:02):
It was very terrifying. It was, So, you know,
it was all this stuff that happened and us actually
dealing with this entity, together.
And then after we did that, that's when, you
know, we started to get found out. You know, I
came m very open to what she was telling me about spirits
and whatnot. So it kind of greew off of

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that.

>> Ty (43:23):
Yeah, I mean, his Bible again. Ah, and
started well, that's something I.

>> Mike (43:28):
Do want to relate. You know, we talk about all this
stuff and you see it in the movies and all that kind of stuff, these
big battles and everything. yes,
you need to have that entity get away from you and leave you
alone to give you reprieve from it. But
here's the part a lot of people probably don't want to hear.
If you experience something like that, the way to keep it at
bay is to walk a spiritual

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life. And that takes a lot of hard work. That's, you
know, praying, studying, attending services,
doing all these sorts of things to live a good spiritual
life. because if you don't, these things will come back
and they'll come back in number that definitely come back.
And you know, I believe that in the
Bible Jesus said you can cast out a demon,
but if you don't make yourself right,

(44:13):
he'll bring back 70 more with and come
back again. And so that's the
part, you know, in these movies, they don't relate to you. That after
the fact, you have a lot of work to do
to keep these things away from you after that point.

>> Ty (44:27):
Oh, yeah. And mean enough, we did it all and it was
gone. It's little mininions or
whatever, Pop its little head ever so often and
chirp in our ears and. And even when moved
to this house, there was things going on here. Off and
on.

>> Mike (44:42):
Still are.

>> Ty (44:43):
Still are. But the more negative was. It was here.

>> Mike (44:45):
But this one up, is, we believe, is the former owner of
this.

>> Ty (44:48):
House talking about the negative.

>> Mike (44:49):
Oh, the negative. Okay.

>> Ty (44:50):
Yes, the native spirit was here on and off.
But again, I
think at one point in time, we actually shook everything off. And then
we started going back into, I
want to say, selfish face with each other. Like,
I was doing my own thing, he was doing his own thing,
and we were not coming together. So
it started doing. It started wearing its head back up. And

(45:13):
we had to, again, sit down with each
other. You know, sit down, say, we want this
marriage, we want each other, and we need to
have our spiritual life combined with the. With
each other. I can't just be going on this path, and he can't just be
going on this path. We have to together.

>> Mike (45:30):
So, yeah, the way I like to look at it is, you
know, we were very far apart from one
another, but, you know, us trying to work
on each other, that never works. You know, we're never
going to meet right here. it's just a mess.
Right? But what we started to do is both work on
our spiritual life, on our relationship
with God.

(45:50):
And as we both had one common goal. What happened is as we
grew closer together working for that common goal,
and we were able to meet at the top,
you know, and it took a lot of work. I mean, it just didn't happen
overnight. But now, I mean, my
goodness, I didn't know marriage could be like this.
It's wonderful. It take a lot of.

>> Erin (46:09):
I love it.

>> John (46:10):
I love it.
Aaron, do you have any questions? More questions?

>> Erin (46:13):
Questions? I just. I really agree with that. And I
think even not being in the spiritual field
or, sorry, paranormal field, I think people
should apply that in our lives regardless. Because I
bet you there's a lot of marriages that
don't realize that there's, you know, that going
on without that connection that you just

(46:33):
said, you know, because.
Yeah, anyways, I mean, this isn't like a psychological.
Like, we're going to fix you show.

>> John (46:43):
Show it.

>> Erin (46:44):
S. If you do apply these in your
life and you, spiritually grow and
heal yourself, then you're able to,
you know, connect with another person who
also is healing themselves. But when you get sick people together,
and especially if you start going on paranormal stuff. Yeah,
you better. You better anoint yourself, man, because

(47:05):
you probably will attract all that.

>> Mike (47:09):
Now, we said relationships, but it's good thing for
paranormal teens to keep in mind. Yes, we're all working for
this common goal because we know. We all know there's
no personalities in the paranormal.
Right. you know, if we're all seeking
the same goal, though, you know, we can all work together.

>> Erin (47:25):
That would be nice.

>> Mike (47:26):
I was with you. We've had some issue with the
walking tours here in Savannah. And as a result,
the local walking tours, we've all come together and we
started what's called salt Savannah association local
tours. And through that, we've all
learned, you know, before, it's like we're in competition with one another.
We found. No, we're not in competition with one another.

(47:47):
We're in this together in the relationships. We've been building
this over the last month. Relationships we've been building
is wonderful because we're all. We all had the same goal.
You know, we're sticking it to the city, but it brought us together, and we've
learned that we're all in this together.
And so just in any situation, we're all working towards a
common goal.

>> Erin (48:06):
It just great for the
historical point of it, you know, the
preservation of the city, of the history
and, you know, bringing people to the
understanding of the paranormal. Wor so that, like we talked
about earlier, that fear isn't there, you know,
and, so that's really cool.

>> John (48:25):
Yeah, absolutely.

>> Erin (48:26):
John. Sorry.

>> John (48:27):
Yeah, go ahead. Oh, no, no, no. You
say something him.

>> Erin (48:31):
I missed the introduction, obviously, trying to
bang my, Mike over here. Finally got it working.
But.
So were you going to go into, detail
about the tour? Okay.

>> John (48:42):
Yes. Yeah. So that's a perfect
segue, being that you're married,
talked about, you know, you're working
together on this tour. So tell me a little about
the tour, because it's a little different. U. just really quickly. When
I was at Savannah, which I love and I
highly recommend. I cannot
recommend enough. Going to Savannah s a beautiful

(49:05):
city, beautiful people, great food,
great environment. Even if you go for a
weekend, just. Just go and just check it
out. And the tour I went on, so I
went to really quickly. I went to the
Sorel.

>> Erin (49:19):
Did I Did I?

>> John (49:21):
Okay, there you go. There you
go. I. They would not let us in the
cemetery. Mike and Ty. according to
my guide at the time, this is, like, five or six
years ago that people had had some really
bad experiences with it. So you guys can talk about
that. Then also, we went
downtown and, you know, showed us some, like,

(49:42):
everything's haunted. And this is. This is my last
point on this, which was absolutely hilarious.
So I was just staring at, like, you know, one of those
Marriotts or whatever. Again, it's for business.
And the manager there was this delightful
lady, and she was telling me about all the history of it.
And then I joked with her because there's a
Sonic right next to the hotel. And I went, oh,

(50:05):
I. I suppose that Sonic is haunted. And she
goes, honey, I wouldn't bet it isn't. Hotun
started laughing, and I'm like, literally.
Because she told me stories like, even here in
this hotel, she has had experiences
where the sliding doors would open, nobody would be there.
And then she'd be like, oh, it's malfunctioning. And then she'd

(50:27):
be, like, looking at the cameras, you know, and she
would see something on the cameras. And this is
just a corporate Marriott
down, you know, away from the city. You know what
I'm saying? And she was like, everything's
haunted. She talked about her house is onted,
her friend's house is haunted. So let's talk a little
bit about that, about Savannah.

(50:49):
Then let's get into your tour and tell, my
spooky friends of what you guys maybe do a little
differently. And, you know what?

>> Erin (50:57):
They should look forward about this.

>> Mike (51:01):
Well, now, Savannah, you know, we claim to be, you know, and a lot
of people agree with us. I don't know. You mentioned something about
California earlier. Yeah, they took over,
but usually.

>> John (51:10):
Didn'T do the poll.

>> Mike (51:11):
Means rankings. Usually Savannah, St.
Augustine in New Orleans, usually 1,
2, and 3 in some order in the most haunted cities in
America. Right. You know, in Savannah, we just like to say, no, we're at.
We're the most haunted city.

>> Erin (51:24):
I kind of agree that Charleston, I think,
would have to be up there.

>> Mike (51:29):
Yes. We're actually going Charleston next month to do something. But,
yeah, but, yeah, we, You know, Savannah,
literally, we are a city built on our dead. I
mean, you go like, over by Wright Square. Are
original cemeteries right there by that square, you know,
and right past status where the Jewish cemeteries was.
I'm sure you guys have seen the original poltergeist, right?

(51:51):
Remember M what happened there they were. They moved the tombstones. But
what left the bodies left. That's why we
have, you know, there this. And there's like
buildings built right on top of the cemetery. you
go further down, like, Taylor Square, formerly Calhoun
Square. It's actually an African American civil
wartime cemetery. It's the square with houses around

(52:12):
it. There's literally a cemetery right underneath
there. you know, a lot of people, you know, you think Savannah
in war, what's the first thing that comes to mind? Civil
Waril right. Nothing really happened here in the Civil
War. And Sherman camein, he didn't burn Savannah
down. and also the only battle that took place
in Savannah was out at Fort McAllister. It was a
30 hour battle. The north overtook it and that

(52:35):
30 hours and held it for the entirety of the Civil
War. That's all that happened here in the Civil
War, Revolutionary War.
however, a lot of people don't know that Savannah actually
had the fifth laoodiest battle in the Revolutionary War. In
Savannah city limits, it's called the siege of
Savannah. 500 people were injured, 500 people were
killed. And so like you went to the swirl weee

(52:57):
house. I'm sure they told you that was the British
barracks during that war. And they also did surgeries right
there. So you have that thr Weee, yeah, we know some people, but
thrirl whe house real neatly to be. and so in
like the Marshall House there that people like to go
out, that was actually used. they bring Civil War soldiers
back and do surgeries and amputees and all that

(53:17):
right there. And that Marshall House you can go stay
at, you got like 1007, 90. And all the stories
have to do with that, which by the way we investigated back in December
video to come. And so just Savannah, everywhere you go,
you have this deep history and you have all these
tragedies that happen and you have all these places where
people are buried and it's just everywhere here

(53:38):
you got.

>> Ty (53:38):
You got think that is the
first plan in the
United States. First plan city.
So you. These people that came
here originally came from
the Europe called the state. you know,
and they came here, they generational their

(53:58):
family generational there. You know, they there
for hundreds and hundreds of years. They come over here,
they're still here, they're still generational. They want to
know who has their house, what's going on
here. You know, we a lot ofman Native
Americans that were here prior and they lost their lives.
And some of them were Very honored. And they got

(54:18):
very. They got buried within the
city and other ones, they got buried in their. In their
moundhs. But they have been discovered. You know, you got
a lot of history within the city
that. I mean, yes, there's history in other
cities and other states, but because this was such
a founding city and it was designed to be
such a city that it just grew. And when it

(54:40):
grew, there was no. There was no space for it to grow. So it just kept
on growing on top of itself over and over
again.

>> Mike (54:47):
Not only that, I mean, you look at 1820, we had the
Great Fire Savannah. the third of the city burnt down. Also in
1820, we had the first outbreak of the yellow, fever epidemic
here. And so you have these things over and over
again, know.

>> Ty (55:00):
Yeah. And if you're in conspiracy, we have.

>> Mike (55:02):
The first sonic lo would number
one.
So, you know, our history is so deep. But if
you look at our history, a lot of it revolves
around things that be considered, you know, conspiracy.
The and a lot of it revolves around supernatural. If you
really look at it, I mean, I'm sure you may be familiar with
midnight. I mean.

>> John (55:24):
Yeah.

>> Mike (55:25):
To the imagination that Danny killed Jim
Williams on that same rug, he killed him. All the movie and book
spell it out for you. They go, this is what we believe happened.
Danny's vengeual spirit got to jy, you
know, because the protections were taken away because he
refused to pay. In the book and movie Minerva, in real life, her
names Valerie refused to pay her anymore. So she removed the
protection. This is just steep in

(55:48):
Savannah's history. You know, we really don't shy away from
it at all. We really embrace the paranormal.

>> Erin (55:53):
Yes,
absolutely.

>> Ty (55:57):
And so even theter
or even the cemeteries we either re broken down,
built on are just out partially destroyed because they went
through so many hands. I mean, our headstones,
some of them are broken up and placed on a wall. They have
been vandalized and prescribed stuff
on it. Never been found on ebay. I mean, people
tried to sell the found on ebay. And then, you

(56:19):
know, you got one beautiful cemetery. But
then five, four or five years later, even 10 years
later, you know, the, antellum era came
along.
So then the high society people wanted
more regarden setting for their loved ones, more of that. So
they tried to move the headstones or move the
bodyd. So some headstones are even doubled. You know,

(56:40):
sometimes the loved ones would never rem moved. You got
dignitaries that were here. You got people that signed the
declaration of independence that we're not sure. If
theirone is here. No, not here. There
is things here. I mean, we
got, you know, unfortunately, we have, you
know, the slave history in Savannah where there wasn't
supposed to be slaves, but England

(57:02):
wanted money, and Savannah was going under,
and South Carolina was being amazed
and having all this money. So then they allowed
slavery. So we got all this rich,
good history mix in with all this dark history.
You know, a lot of people don't realize
that slaves, especially during that
era, the men, especially in the south, didn't have house

(57:24):
rights. So they were right. They had to work for the owners. Then
they were rented out to the city to
do all the city's work. You know, and
up to the age of four, you could stay with your mom and dad or
you. Sorry, you stayed with your mom inside the house. If you
were a boy, but a. I age 5, you were expected
to go out and work with the man. You know,

(57:45):
we have the hanging trees and we have all these.

>> Mike (57:48):
Yeah, it's just. There's just so many things here. I want to ask.
Now, you said the cemetery wasn't. Which are you talking about? Colonial
park cemetery there in
correctct. Maybe a storm or
something came through beforehand or.

>> Ty (58:01):
What was this?

>> John (58:04):
Well, one of the things I was told
was. And I don't know to believe this or not,
but people who entered the cemetery,
either one or two things happened to them, one that became really
nauseous, almost to the point of they wanted to throw up
or they walked away with, like,
scratches or something. And this is just according to when
I took the guide aside and I was asking

(58:27):
him, I'm like, I'm weird.

>> Mike (58:30):
Of anything of that nature, but.

>> John (58:32):
Okay.

>> Ty (58:33):
Yeah, I was.

>> Mike (58:35):
Yeah. You know, but at
the same time, there is a lot of things that happen there. In fact, there's a
spirit there that we communicate with when we're there.
couple. Yeah. And, a lot of revolutionary time
soldiers there, and there's a little girl there we communicate with.

>> Ty (58:49):
And then we had that, Ah, Sl. What is the baby.

>> Mike (58:52):
Oh, sls. Well, you know,
I'm sure now as paranormal investigators, I'm sure you think the apps
are just whoey. Right. And I do, too. I agree. A lot of the apps
that you use or just stewey. But I had, the
ghost tube SLS thing out,
and I sitting there, he was in the cemetery. And I. Yeah, I
was just going around, just seeing stuff, you know, picking up a lot of

(59:12):
false things. But behind one of the benches where there
was nothing behind it, I saw two stick figures In
a colonial park cemetery. They were look like they
were botsing one another. And I told kata
here, don't look like two figures. She's like, yeah, and that's just being a
smart, Like I said, hey, you guys, cut it out. And they did
to me. They looked at us for about 10 seconds to turn around

(59:34):
and started bots again. That's when I started promoting Ghost Tube
sls, because I was like, okay, that was interest.

>> Erin (59:39):
I've had, one experience because
we use our SLS all the time,
rarely get anything on it, you know, which I find
I like that because if you got it something every
time, you'd be like, you know,
so reallyre. But my mom's house, she lives in
Virginia. Her house was built in 1740,

(01:00:00):
and so it's really old and it's got a lot of
history and. But there is a, there is a
child in her house. And like, I feel it all the time.
And so I was like, oh, I'm gonna, you know, she. This is the first time she
let me investigate, by the way. And I've been, you know, going there many, many,
many years. And she was too scared
conjure something up. I don't know, you know, what she was thinking.

(01:00:20):
But anyways, I went upstairs to talk to this child where I
felt this child was hiding. And, and I had the SLS
out. And it kept, you know, the
rim pod was dinging on the questions I was asking,
and not everything, but, you know, it was. It was very
cool. And then I got this one child
size figure pop out for
maybe three seconds and then go away. And I

(01:00:42):
was just like, thank you so much. And then they lit up the thing
one more time, that rim pod one more time. And then that was it. They were like, all
right, I'm done. See you. And, I was just like, well, thank you for talking
to me, and you're welcome to hang out, just not when I'm sleeping, you
know, so it was really neat experience
because I had told my mom, you know, for the longest time, yeah,
either there's a child, you know, that likes to play. And

(01:01:03):
then we come to find out there was a child that died in the house. And so
I was like, interesting. You know, there's a lot of stuff that
I didn't know that my mom was telling me about, you know, and
it was really neat. That's the only time I've ever had the
sls. But sorry to get off track.

>> Mike (01:01:18):
Yeah, no, we love
hearing y.

>> Ty (01:01:21):
Yes, yes. People have got in Touch.
There was about nine years ago news ve
Chicago a video of something happening.

>> Mike (01:01:30):
I encourage everyone to go on YouTube and look up
colonial park cemetery. Ghost boy.

>> Ty (01:01:35):
Yeah.

>> Mike (01:01:36):
Colonial park cemetery. Ghost boy is an naturual person who was here in
2008, I believe, from Ohio, and they
were down here visiting. They were in the colonial park
cemetery during the day. They weren't on a
paranormal investigation. Their a tourists filming
their trip to savann. And what he called. And
this is an actual news broadcast out of Ohio that's showing

(01:01:56):
this on the YouTube. You can look it up. But he
caught the shadow figure of a little boy running in between
some trees. You see the little boy jumped 10ft up in
the air, land on the bridge and drop
down and completely vanish.
Yeah. This was on the news, right? So, and they actually
had. They sent it out to some professionals to

(01:02:16):
analyze the video. And what they came back and said is
they said, we're not gonna say there's a ghost on that video. We're gonna
say whatever s on that video is actually on the video
has not been altered in you
spe.

>> John (01:02:28):
Yeah, speaking of that. Yeah, just really quick.
Speaking of that. When I went past colonial, cemetery,
I got out my cell phone because I was gonna record, you
know, being, you know, in paranormal, see if
I can pick something up. And my phone wouldn't work. Just
would not work. The closer I got to the gate, it would
not work. And then I pull it away, and they would kind of

(01:02:49):
work. And then so I get back to my
hotel room, and it's fine, no
problems. that's interesting.
That happened to me before. Times happen
to.

>> Mike (01:03:02):
Well, I like what you say, though, when we are on our tours, I never
go, oh, that's a ghost. I say it's very interesting,
but I let them. It's very interesting. Oh, that's
supernatural.

>> Erin (01:03:13):
I love Savannah. It's one of my favorite places. And
so when I next come down there, we have to do
something for sure.

>> Mike (01:03:21):
Yes, absolutely. We'll talk
after the.

>> Erin (01:03:25):
I actually got married down there in one of the.
I, don't even know what it is. I'd have to show you a picture. But it
was. It was like a gate, and
I. Hopefully it was not an old
cemetery, but you, like, stepped
inside this big iron gate, and it was just Beautiful
garden. Anyways, we got married in there, and then,

(01:03:46):
Yeah. And then we went to alligator soul
after. Oh, God, the grits and shrimp,
y'all. It. When you go down for
the ghost tour. Go, go, go for the food
I'm telling you. And then I did the so week,
which I got lucky on that one, because usually There was like
20, 30 people for tour. It was me and
two other women that turned up, and we had the whole place to ourselves

(01:04:08):
the whole night. Oh, it was amazing. And then I went
to the Midnight Garden evil place and a bunch of other
places, and we actually did go on a tour. And
so that's what I wasnna get.
Get the next question, about your tour
is we went into a bus, though, and it had
these window things because it was kind of chilly and
rainy. So we didn't get to see crap. No. But we went

(01:04:30):
by all the places, so it was still pretty cool. But we went
to the pirate place. And then I went. Did a little thing down
in the bottom. But this was when I was sort of really getting
into all of this. So, yeah, I'm really,
really interested to hear about your tour because, I had
some really a really fun time when we went
down there. My husband was not interested, by the
way. He was like, yeah, I'm

(01:04:53):
sleeping. I'm going golfing. You do whatever you want to do.

>> Mike (01:04:57):
As y'all can see, we're very passionate about the history and
the folklore of Savannah. We love it. We embrace it.
We like to learn as much as we can about it. We do like
to, get with other people and talk about these things. other tour
companies and stories. Yeah.
Because detail, we tried. We try to make
sure historical facts are that historical facts.

(01:05:17):
And even when our folklore story, we try to make sure
there's much in line as the original tellings
of these stories as we can possibly get. We want to try to.
That we try not to say anything that we known is flat
out falls now. We do share one story
that we do qualify and go, this is
complete folklore. There is s. No history we can find about it,

(01:05:37):
but it's a good story, so we share the story.
so. So we do do those certain days. We love sharing
the history. We love sharing the folklore, the ghost stories.
We love sharing these things. But our overall thing
is we like people to have experiences with
our spirit. Divina. These. These spirits that we have,
we feel we have grown a relationship with over the last

(01:05:57):
five years. Will they show up every time?
No. Their spirits, they're going to do what they want to do. They're not
the company payroll. Right. So, you know, we can't
guarantee, but we can say
on every tour we've done today,
we have had some experiences that are kind of
Unexplainable excus. What we'd like to do is, we do
have equipment I bring out at various places, real

(01:06:20):
paranormal equipment in certain places, but usually with the
guest. What we do is we hand them an EMF meter in a
pair of spirit rods dowsing ro to use
and demonstrate how it all works
and case, like our tour. What we think sets our
tour apart. Yes, there are other tours out there that have EMF
meters. There's tours out there with spirit rods
and, you know, all the gadgets, they're out

(01:06:42):
there. But what I think makes cyires stand out
just a little bit more is now some of those. I know that
do get some interaction, but we tried to go a little
beyond. Just like last night on our tour.
We have a. We have a little doll. Are y'all familiar with the
overnight channel on YouTube?
They're more entertaining than real, but they're

(01:07:02):
entertaining ghost hunters. Matt Rif
is one of them.
But, they actually went to the Warren Occult Museum. Not this
past Halloween, but Halloween before. And they live
streamed them being in there. 2013.
23. Yeah, 2023 there. They live streamed
the entire time they were in there. They're doing it for Feed America. They

(01:07:23):
were getting some money for Feed America and they actually
brought with them 666 Raggedy
and Dolls. So taking the Warren Museum
to spend time with the real Annabelle. And of course, they were
selling these to make money for charity. And of course I bought one,
right? Because I. This is, you know, and
go on our tour. Go look. We got a little annabole on.

>> Ty (01:07:43):
I wasn't happy about it, but it's.

>> Mike (01:07:45):
A good and unfortunately not.
But, but we have that we like. There's both. We
give two different tours and tours on letting both
tours involve a little girl on each of the tour.
And then when we were at this one location with a little
girl is I took out Annabelle doll and told them, you know, where we

(01:08:05):
got it from and what Ty had them do. We had, two young
ladies that had was holding the spirit rods. There's
another young lady. Ty gave her thanabelle dog and said,
please step behind him and choose one hand and
put it in that hand and hold it there and don't show anybody which
hand it's in. And then with the
rods, Ty asked the young lady there, little

(01:08:25):
Katie, asked her to
point the rods if it's in.
The young lady's right hand pointed to the right in her
left, pointed to the left. They both turned to
the right and it was in her right
hand. And we like to do this sort of things because
a lot of people start to think that maybe
subconsciously they're moving these rods,

(01:08:47):
but there's no way they could have known the answer to
which hand that doll was in. And it answered
properly and answered pretty immediately
also. So these are the things we want our
guests to have, a better
understanding of the spirit world. And we also want
them to know. It's like we'discussing. It's not something that is
frightend, it's just something that is. And it's

(01:09:10):
something that can be a good experience. It can be a fun
experience with these things. And so that's something we really
focus on. It'trying to share this with our
guest.

>> Ty (01:09:20):
yeah, like Mike said, we like to put it in their hands. They're having
the experience. I'm not holding the rods. And we like
them to ask the question so they can ask any question
they want of that spirit. And as long
as the yes or no or pointing the
direction, they're getting the response, that's cool.
You know, interact

(01:09:41):
like Mike said, with, Jim
Williams, Midnight M Gar. You ever read the book?
I watched the movie. You know how Jim is.

>> John (01:09:48):
Ye.

>> Ty (01:09:49):
I have comment once before why I had offended
Jim and he did not talk to us. I mean, we had activity
going all over the place. And as soon as I said what
I said, everything stopped. The rods
stopped moving, the amf meters stopped
going, and it took us a cup. I literally had
to bring him a gift and apologize

(01:10:09):
to him and, slightly move
the rod. And then finally he finally. We had to ask, have you
forgiven a yet? And he finally said yes,
because, I mean, he can hold a grudge.
And I really did say something I wasn't supposed to
say about him and he was not happy.

>> Erin (01:10:28):
Yeah, do that. I have had
that happen before. I accidentally
pissed him off.

>> John (01:10:34):
Yeah.

>> Ty (01:10:35):
So.

>> John (01:10:35):
So two quick questions before we wrap up here.
One, have you ever had someone on tour
which is a total skeptic? Like, I'm just
doing this because my wife dragged me
here. I, don't believe in anything. And then
at the end of the tour, they go, o my God.
Yeah, you know, this is, this is real.
Anything like that.

>> Mike (01:10:56):
It happens often. you know what we
say, if we have skeptics on the tour because we asked who
believes in the paranormal and and we somebody says they're
skeptic, we go, that's perfectly fine. We're gonn share the historyna have the
folks share the folklooor we just want to make sure you have a good time.
That's our main goal. Everybody have a good time. I was
like we'say but you know, maybe be a little open

(01:11:17):
to the possibility of maybe something going on.
And we've had quite a few at the end of the tour. Some
that is flat said okay, I'm believer now and
others that says okay, well I've opened the mind up
a little bit more that this might be a possibility.
And we love it when that happens because, you know,
you have some that just was Debbie Downers from the beginning

(01:11:37):
and stayed that way all the way through. You know, if it
goes just materialize in front of them and slapped on, they go, oh,
that was, you know, so you have those right?
I mean, so I mean you can't please everybody.
But there'many many people
that started off as a skeptic and, and I really
like it with, you know, when they say they're believer. I think that's really cool. But I like

(01:11:58):
the ones that say my mind's a little more receptive to
this being a possibility.

>> Ty (01:12:02):
Oneact for the ones that have actually said there
are non believeverss I don't not sure they've got interaction
and finally said, okay, I've had enough and handed us to Rob like I'm
done.

>> Erin (01:12:12):
Yeah.

>> Mike (01:12:13):
One thing interesting, if you ever met somebody that says they're
a complete skeptic, one question I've learned to ask them
is have you ever had an experience that you
think may have been paranormal? And more
often than not, they do have a story that they've
discounted. you know, there's some that go,
no, never in my life, whatever. And I think they're kind of

(01:12:34):
not being truthful. But at the same time, you
know, just ask the skeptics say, has anything, you
know, that maybe could have been
paranormal more often than not? And I'm
sure you know us, I like to ask people about their
stories. Almost everyone
has a paranormal story.

>> John (01:12:52):
Yeah, yeah, absolutely. There's thousands
out there that we know.
So the next question is in honor of Erin
because she had a podcast, where she would d
ask this question. What's one of the silliest or
funniest things that happened on tour?
Arin I don't know if you want to elaborate on
that because Aarnise used to look at like some of

(01:13:14):
the silly stuff that happens on paranormal
investigations, which I absolutely love because
we don't talk about that. We talk about scary, we don't talk
about silly, fun you know, I know.

>> Erin (01:13:25):
And I amnn eventually get my podcast back up and going.
It's just been a really crazy my end
personal. My personal life. You know my husband
broke his back recently and yeah
it's just. It's been a lot and so I'm
his caretaker right now. So I just
haven't gotten my shit together basically.
But I will. So my podcast is. We

(01:13:47):
just. It's called AARN Supernatural Shenanigans
and we just focus on the funny stuff that goes on because
there's plenty of that or you know like you
know when you're doing ah an investigation and you actually
scare the crap out of your. Your
partner and you don't mean to but it's so funny and then
you catch it on video and then you get those 4am
gigggleies and it's. You just laugh at

(01:14:10):
the most ridiculous things and you're like why am I
laughing? I don't know what's happening right now. And Which
we find that actually kind of awakens a lot of the
spirit up sometimes. But anyways that. So that's what my
podcast is about. And so yeah, if you want to elaborate
on some of your Pierr stories, we'd
love to hear about that.

>> Ty (01:14:31):
Well we were at 1790 and we
were doing our own investigation and we
had actually stepped out right before investigation to of
like walk around the block
and see the block. I mean we've been there doing tours before but
just walking around. Well there's a there's an
object in one of the windows.

(01:14:51):
Highlights
man.

>> Mike (01:14:57):
If you it 79 the mannequin that
sits in the window of Anna Poell
that's the mannequin. So we're investigating room 204 the
room everything is supposed to take place in.

>> Ty (01:15:08):
Right so Michike and I are being go falls he took. He
had me take a picture of him with Anna and then I went to go take a
picture and there was one of the
horse tour walk coming through. I on it when
the the vehicles with their guests and that
currenttain move and I was there that poor lady down
there.

(01:15:29):
I'm literally five soul lift up put
back in her body.
Excuse me. I felt so bad
screaming
you the driver stopped and everything and they been
look at her and I was like o sorry.

>> Erin (01:15:49):
Oh my God.

>> Ty (01:15:52):
That'S hilar so I I love
it know Savannah you.

>> Mike (01:15:56):
Know touched a little bit convinced
thatatican.

>> Erin (01:16:01):
Oh my God that is
so We've.

>> Ty (01:16:06):
Had people try and like have you know A
sucker in there, in there in their mouth and like
spread it out or twow piece of gum and they're doing it and
then chok on it,
die or.

>> Mike (01:16:18):
One of my favorite things is, you know, you get people. It always cracks me up.
You'll get it every so often. Often somebody have the rods and they'll start doing things
and they'll go, holy shit.

>> Ty (01:16:28):
Yeses. We've had that.

>> Erin (01:16:29):
Oh my God.

>> Ty (01:16:30):
well, it.

>> Mike (01:16:31):
That is funny to us. At least it. You'll
have, At the end we give a. Ty gives us a
cleansing, close the session down. You know, use some white sage,
do a cleansing. You know, leave our spirits here with us.
Right. and so, we'll have people that we've
had people that'll say, you know, she'll ask, do you
want to cleansing? And they'll say yes or no.
And some of. We've had people say no,

(01:16:54):
get in their car, drive around the block,
come back, get out of.

>> Ty (01:16:58):
Go.

>> Mike (01:16:59):
Yes, we'll take.

>> Erin (01:16:59):
We're not bringing this home with us. Thank you. Yeah,
that is, ah, awesome.

>> John (01:17:05):
yeah, I love that. And we love that, you
know.

>> Ty (01:17:08):
Come and start the tour and all of a sudden leave the
tour. Oh, they don't want.

>> Mike (01:17:12):
Yeah, that's not a fun.

>> John (01:17:14):
Well.

>> Mike (01:17:15):
But we've had people that just did not like what we were
doing, you know. You know, we talked about that little at the beginning.
No, you're communicating with the dead. That's against my religion.
But again, you read the website. Did we make
it clear that's what we're doing? Yeah, I think
we did.

>> Erin (01:17:31):
Did you come? Yeah.

>> Ty (01:17:33):
Yeah.

>> Erin (01:17:34):
That's amazing.

>> John (01:17:34):
I'll definitely have to have the podcast.

>> Erin (01:17:36):
once I get everything up and running again. That'd
be great.

>> John (01:17:41):
Yeah. this was amazing. Mike and
Ty, you guys were great. I highly
recommend, you know, my.
All my listeners y out to Savannah, please
go and take their tour. Because
I, mean what you guys do is very rare. And
like you said too, you're working together with other two
of groups. So you want to help preserve

(01:18:03):
this. Because people don't understand if this goes
away, you're gonna be stuck with the corporate
end, unfortunately, which is
never good. Trust me, everybody
knows that when it comes to corporation, it
becomes, well, just a. I don't know what you want to
call a farm.

>> Mike (01:18:21):
Like you're saying, just let me add, you know, we'd really like you to go
on our tour, but if you choose another tour, please just
make sure it's a local tour. That's all I'd ask.
Please.

>> Ty (01:18:31):
This is people love and city. That learn
the history, take pride in it, that clean the
neighborhoods, that watch out for the neighborhoods.
They watch out for anybody outside walking their
dog. We care.

>> Erin (01:18:43):
Yeah.

>> Ty (01:18:44):
You know, this is. This is. This is us.
We put our heart our city.

>> Mike (01:18:49):
Yeah. We love our city.

>> John (01:18:51):
Yeah. Yeah. So,
yeah. Tell my spooky friends how they get a hold of
you what's coming up next. So they can, if they're in the
area, like you said, go to your tour or one of the other
tours.

>> Mike (01:19:03):
And see how great savann we are. here found this is
easier.

>> John (01:19:07):
Okay.

>> Mike (01:19:08):
If that's in focus there. Is it too
shiny?

>> John (01:19:11):
I could put all the links.

>> Mike (01:19:12):
St up there with the X.
There's no e in front of the x because, you know,
we re jet gen answers. Right.

>> Erin (01:19:21):
So another reason to go on the
tour.

>> Mike (01:19:26):
Experience. And you can google spirit experienceirits
llc. It'll pull it up. Or go to
spiritsspirits.com that'll pull it up. Also, we're
on most of the major social media sites, so
just type in spirit experience and you should be able to find us.
And feel free. You know, our phone numbers listed there, emails there.
Feel free to reach out to us, ask us questions or anything
that you may need.

>> Ty (01:19:46):
And you can reach out to us for any question. When you're visit in the
city, if you want, you know, ideas or what to say,
what to eat, anything
elsec we'll send you in the
right areas. If you're having issues in your
home or you re just curious about the paranormal,
we can also, you know, talk about that. If we don't know that your
answers will reach out to do,

(01:20:08):
know we just, we want to be there
for everybody.

>> Mike (01:20:12):
Yes.

>> John (01:20:12):
I, love it. Again, thank you so much.
Mike and Ty, you guys were great. This was an
amazing experience. If I get out to
Savannah, I'm definitely gonna,
reach out to you guys and I'm sure,
Aaron, I feel.

>> Erin (01:20:27):
The same to get back down there. That's a fact. My
gosh.

>> John (01:20:32):
Absolutelyul.

>> Ty (01:20:33):
Beautiful city. You guys will love it.

>> John (01:20:35):
Absolutely. Thank you so much. And you know, I'd love
to have you guys on the podcast again. And then when Erin gets
her podcast up and running.

>> Mike (01:20:42):
Yes, absol.

>> John (01:20:43):
Definitely. Come on hersuse. She does an amazing job
too, and absolutely love her and love her
podcast. So again, thank you guys
again and, we will, hopefully see you guys
around soon.

>> Mike (01:20:55):
Absolutely. Thank you.

>> Erin (01:20:57):
Bye.

>> John (01:20:57):
Bye. Thanks, guys.

>> Erin (01:21:25):
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