March 17, 2024 • 87 mins
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Lynn from Ghouls in the Graveyard joins me to discuss the five creepiest graveyards in the Midwest.
5 Top Midwest Creepy Graveyards
1. Wisconsin Riverside Cemetery Appleton, WI Episode 19
2. Indiana: 100 steps cemetery, Brazil Indiana: Episode 60
3. Michigan William Ganong Cemetery, Inkster, MI
4. Iowa Fairview Cemetery Council Bluffs, IA
5. Illinois Bachelors Grove In Midlothian, Illinois. Episode 21
Sources:
https://www.wisconsinhauntedhouses.com/real-haunts/cemeteries.aspx
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/13-of-the-most-haunted-ce_b_7888216
https://www.illinoishauntedhouses.com/real-haunts/cemeteries.aspx
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Speaker A (00:14):
Oh, my spooky friends, this is John, your host of Dairyland frights, the
paranormal podcast that covers everythingspooky, creepy, and mysterious in the midwest.
And I can't believe it.
I'm on a roll.
I have another great spooky guest here with meon the podcast, Lynn, who's a paranormal
investigator from ghouls in the graveyard.
(00:37):
Welcome, Lynn.
Speaker B (00:38):
Thank you.
I'm excited to be here.
Speaker A (00:43):
Thank you so much.
And again, I really love, I've said this many
ways, love having paranormal investigatorsbecause you guys have the greatest stories,
some fun stories, spooky stories that I can'tsleep at night, but that's okay.
I'll take a nap later.
Speaker B (01:01):
Yeah, some of them might make me not sleep at night, too.
Speaker A (01:04):
Absolutely.
So one of the things I always like to start
out is, tell me a little bit about ghouls inthe graveyard.
I mean, what's that about?Are you part of a team?
Are you a leader of a team?What is tools in the ground?
Speaker B (01:20):
I am more the technical advisor, chauffeur, location scout, Wrangler.
I have teenage boys, and they saw me going outon paranormal investigations and were like,
oh, we would love to do this.
Love to do this.
Well, the majority of them are under 18.
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And I was like, no, there we go.
Can't do that.
They were like, oh, well, when can we go out?
And I was like, okay, let's give this a try.
So I took them one at a time with myself out
to a cemetery at night just to see how theywould react.
Because if somebody's going to start crying inthe fetal position, that's a no go.
(02:04):
That's a no go.
Speaker A (02:06):
That would be me if I saw a ghost.
Speaker B (02:09):
Well, we're not even talking the ghost.
We're talking the parking lot.
Speaker A (02:12):
Parking lot.
Speaker B (02:14):
Yeah. So then after a couple of trials, then we went out to cemeteries during
the day, and they did great.
So then we started going to cemeteries at
night.
And we focus mainly on cemeteries, mainly
because private home investigations.
I don't want my kids in, in case there's
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something there.
I want them to get used to handling the
instruments of how to trust their gut on whatit's like, things like that.
Will we ever do home investigations,businesses, things like that?
I don't know.
Right now, they are very content doing
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cemeteries.
So that's how it got started.
I used to have a team many years ago calledgraveyard duels paranormal, which is no
longer.
They're like, oh, we want to use that.
No, we're not using that.
And they're like, well, we got to do something
like that because that was your team.
(03:19):
And fine.
Okay.
So we all came up with ghouls in the
graveyard, even though I told them,technically they're not graveyards because
graveyards are attached to churches.
Cemeteries are not.
But technicality.
And then they were like, oh, well, we need to
have this and that.
And it was like, guys, we are not Zach bagans
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here, okay?Everything that you see on ghost adventures is
not what we're going to do.
And God help me, if you hear somebody step on
a stick in the middle of a cemetery and yell,oh, my God.
It said, kill me.
You'll go, can.
Yeah, you can investigate from the car for.
Speaker A (04:03):
By the way, one of my guests calls Zach Baggins.
Bagel bites.
I don't know why, but I think it's kind of
funny.
Yeah.
Speaker B (04:12):
I call him Frodo Baggins.
Speaker A (04:14):
There you go.
See, we have nicknames for.
I don't know.
I'm kind of on the fence about him.
I liked his earlier stuff.
His later stuff got, like, kind of off the
rails, and I was like, 100% agree.
Speaker B (04:28):
Yeah. His earlier stuff, I see, is more authentic.
But then every time something would getsomewhat scary, eerie, spooky.
He's sending poor Aaron to go do it.
Speaker A (04:40):
Yeah, right.
Speaker B (04:42):
And I've noticed Aaron's weight loss through the seasons.
It's like, oh, my know, what's he putting thispoor man through?
Speaker A (04:50):
Run a few laps and find that ghost.
Speaker B (04:52):
All right.
Speaker A (04:52):
I'll be back later.
So, Lynn, what interested you in the
paranormal?Was it something when you were a child, you
had event or what made you interested in it?
Speaker B (05:06):
I've been interested in it literally my whole life.
I'm 52.
My interest began at about two and a half.
I was in the hospital with rheumatic fever.
And when my mom would have to leave and the
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nurses wouldn't come in at night, a lady wouldcome in and sit in the chair.
My mom would, which was across from my bed,and she would hum to me, and it was very
soothing, and it made me not scared is thebest way that I can put it.
Looking at it through my two and a half yearold eyes then.
And I got better.
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And when it was time to leave, I asked my mom.
I said, I want to say bye to the nurse thatwould come in at night, and she didn't wear a
nurse's uniform.
My parents were in the military, so I was at a
military hospital.
There were no uniforms, no nurses uniforms.
She didn't wear anything like that.
She just wore a plain dress, her hair pulled
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back, and just sat there and would hum as Ifell asleep.
And she did this every night that I was inthere.
I distinctly remember it.
And my mom was like, I don't think there's
anybody here by that thinking maybe it was avolunteer.
We're going to fast forward 30 years.
(06:30):
Mom and I are doing genealogy, and we come
across some old photos that my grandmotherhad.
And all of a sudden, I see, when I was like,mom, what is that?
And she was like, oh, this?I was like, mom, I know her.
She's the woman in my hospital room.
That's her.
That's her.
And I'm getting all excited, and she turns it
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over.
And it was my fourth or fifth great
grandmother.
A strange little ritual that isn't fun is that
in my family, the firstborn is almost always adaughter, and you're usually the firstborn of
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the firstborn.
And so then you get the name Mary Elle.
I go by Lynn.
My mom goes by Mary.
My grandmother went by Lois.
I could go down the chain.
It's boring.
And we found out that this was the second in
the chain.
Mary Laura.
I saw her.
And I was like, mom, the woman that I told you
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about in my room when I was sick.
That's her.
That's her.
And there's no way I could have met her.
She died many decades before I was born.
Speaker A (07:43):
Wow.
Speaker B (07:44):
And since then, my mom never tried to tell me that it wasn't real.
She was just like, okay, well, what can youtell me?
And I remembered what she would hum to me.
And so I kind of hummed out what I could
remember.
And my mom recorded it, took it to her work,
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and was asking people around.
Now we're a very german defense.
Very german.
And she had a coworker that had come over from
Germany.
He listened to it and said, that's an old
yiddish lullaby.
And my mom's like, what?
And it's like, how would I know that?I've spoken nothing but English.
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When my relatives came over here right beforeWorld War I, they banned the children from
speaking German.
There's evidence that they were jewish, but
they were not allowed to practice that.
They became methodist.
Why?I don't know.
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I guess it's the next step.
So there was no way I should have known this
tune.
But he said that.
Yeah, he knew the tune and actually gave mymom a copy of the song.
And though I'd never heard the words to it,when I was two and a half, the tune was
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exactly the same.
And from then on, I knew that they existed,
and I wanted to know more about them.
I was intrigued.
Why did she come to me?What was it?
What was it that made her say, hey, I got totake care of this kid.
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She's one of mine.
And how many are there out there?
I just wanted to know as much as I possiblycould.
And then in my twenty s, I was in an apartmentthat was slightly haunted.
Now, in my 20s, this was 1990s, so the bestthing I had was a micro cassette recorder.
Speaker A (09:58):
Sure.
Speaker B (09:59):
For those that don't know, it is a tiny little cassette that plays in a really
big recorder that is larger than your phoneand will only record up anywhere between 30 to
60 minutes if you use both sides of the tape.
And so I would put that on, and I'd leave the
apartment, come back, and I'm listening to it,listening to it.
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I can't tell if it was haunted or not, becauseI had neighbors above and below me and to the
sides, traffic would make noises.
But something on.
I had one, and somewhere I have the tape whereit said, well, hello there.
Speaker A (10:38):
Okay.
Speaker B (10:39):
Very distinctly, it sounded.
Even on tape, sounded separate from the
background noises.
And that was the only thing I ever got.
The only thing I ever knew was to try andrecord.
I didn't get into real paranormalinvestigating until about 20 years ago, when
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EMF detectors started coming out.
Mail meters, things like that.
Things that would let me know that, okay,there's some sort of anomaly here.
What's it caused by?
Speaker A (11:16):
Yeah, that is awesome experience.
I know.
Like, again, some of my other guests have saidthey've had experiences when they're a little
kid.
One woman told me she saw an older man walk
right through her bedroom wall and sit down ina rocking chair and rocking and just watching
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her.
And she wasn't scared.
She said she was like, that's kind ofinteresting.
But then when she told her dad and her momnext day, they got rid of the rocking chair,
they immediately got rid of it because theywere like, okay.
And then she was asking his little girl, andthey were like, saying, whatever.
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It wasn't until she was, like, 18, till theysaid, okay, this house is haunted.
There's a bunch of spirits.
What you saw was true.
And all the stories we told you were not toscare that so you wouldn't be scared the ****
out of a little girl sitting there, seeingstuff in her closet, seeing stuff walk to the
wall, seeing chairs moving, sinks turning on.
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So she had a very vivid experiences.
Speaker B (12:29):
Oh, yeah.
Speaker A (12:30):
But she grew up with that.
Dissimilar to you, finding out this great
mystery.
And she wanted to know more.
Right.
Which I'm guessing that's part of the reason
you did doing this, like everyone?
Speaker B (12:41):
Oh, absolutely.
Yeah. I wanted to know what's going on.
This person who I know died.
How did she come to me when I was two and a
half?Did she do it for a reason?
Was there because the scariest thing was beingin the hospital room by myself.
Speaker A (13:01):
Yeah.
Speaker B (13:02):
And she comforted me just by humming this simple tune.
She never spoke to me.
Evidence is that at the time, she did not know
English.
And from my memory, she looked as tangible as
any person.
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And if I would start to feel uncomfortable or
know, I remember the humming getting louder.
And it did.
It covered me.
And I would fall asleep.
Speaker A (13:37):
Yeah. See, I love stories like that, Lynn, because most of the stories that
people want to hear are the ones that theshadow person pushed you down the steps or the
person grabbed you or pulled you.
Right.
And it's nice to hear stories that someone wasthere for you in your time of need when you
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were scared.
You're a child.
You're going through this traumatic event,and, hey, there's my great, great whatever
grandma saying.
It's going to be okay.
You're going to get through this.
And this is my way of helping you.
And I love stories like that.
Speaker B (14:14):
Yeah. And I give a lot of credit to my mom.
I'm sure that in her mom way, as I would withmy kids now, make sure that I wasn't scared.
But she never told me that.
Oh, it was a figment of your imagination.
It was nobody.
Oh, I'm sure it was somebody on staff.
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She never tried to dissuade me that I didn'tsee and hear this.
That definitely I did.
And then in my 30s is when I freaked out, when
I found out, oh, my God, this is a relativefrom the old country that I never could have
met, but that was the woman.
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And to find out that that woman, mary Laura,
she is not only an ancestor of mine, but sheworked as a nurse.
Speaker A (15:08):
Oh, wow.
That kind of makes sense.
She was there.
I just fascinated.
I'm not a big hospital person.
Yeah, same with me.
My wife will be like when I have to visitcertain people in the hospital, she'll be
like, okay, you go into hospital.
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I don't know, maybe it's because of my
paranormal, but I'm not saying I'm sensitiveor anything, far from it.
But every time I go into hospital, I feeldread and I feel sadness and I feel.
Just don't like it.
I'm just in there for a little bit and was
like, okay, I got to get out.
I'm the same way with retirement homes.
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When my mom was in a retirement home and I govisit her, and I was just like, man, just
death everywhere.
You know what I mean?
Speaker B (16:04):
Yeah.
Speaker A (16:06):
So it had been nice if I had someone humming to me.
Speaker B (16:10):
Well, my dad, just a month ago, had open heart surgery, and he's 78, so this was a
risky procedure, and my mom and I knew it, andwe stayed there and everything.
And everything went beautifully.
He's doing absolutely fine.
He's healing faster than expected.
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His surgeon is thrilled.
His cardiologist is thrilled.
We're thrilled.
And the day we were taking him home, we gotoff the elevator, we're walking the maze of
hallways, and all of a sudden, I just lookedat my mom.
I said, mom, I need a minute in the bathroom.
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And she was like, are you okay?
He's like, I don't know, but I'm not okay.
I need just a minute.
And I went in the bathroom, and I was keepingmyself from crying.
I'm like, what the hell is going on?Dad's going home.
This is not the time to be crying.
Speaker A (17:07):
Yeah, sure.
Speaker B (17:08):
So I pulled myself together, and we got my dad, and on the way out, there were a
bunch of people we didn't know.
The ICU is on the same floor as the cardiac
floor.
Not cool.
And there are a bunch of families, peoplehugging each other.
The mood was just very somber.
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And mom's like, oh, God, I wonder what
happened?And I said, I don't know, but I have the
feeling that they didn't make it.
Now, I had no way of knowing this.
No way.
And weeks later, I'm playing around on
Facebook, as one does, and found out that alocal skateboarder had died the day and the
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hour that we were taking my dad home from thehospital.
Speaker A (17:58):
Oh, wow.
Yeah.
Speaker B (18:00):
And of course, my first thought was, oh, my God, those poor people.
Why didn't I have an EMF reader with me?Totally inappropriate thought.
Totally inappropriate thought.
Speaker A (18:12):
Yeah, I get checked.
Speaker B (18:15):
Well, my dad was in the hospital for about a week after surgery, and he's like,
oh, you should bring some of your equipmentdown.
I said, well, would you be okay with that?Now, my dad does not like talking about
ghosts.
Complete opposite of my mom.
Doesn't like talking about them because heassociates them with death and, no, don't like
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talking about that.
And I was like, well, if you're okay.
No, I'm not okay with it.
You're not hunting ghosts in my room.
He says this.
The doctor walks in, and the doctor is just
kind of smiling, like, do we think that yourroom's haunted, Mr. Moore?
And I'm like, oh, I'm not explaining this.
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No, not explaining this.
I just sit there quietly, like, go for it,dad.
We'll see what happens.
Yeah.
My mom and I had actually gotten into theelevator to visit him one day, and somebody
was going to the basement.
Well, everyone knows what's on the basement
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floor of hospitals.
The morgue.
And my mom was like, if we could get somebodyto take us down there, we could do this while
your dad's sleeping.
I was like, mom, this is not appropriate.
We're here to see dad.
Then I was like, do you think we could.
I think that that's one of the hazards ofinvestigating the paranormal, is it never
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leaves you.
You're at a hospital visiting a sick one
that's recovering from surgery, and you think,how do I get to the morgue?
How do I get one of those little keys?Yeah.
Speaker A (19:58):
So speaking of them, speaking of morgues, which are very spooky, tell me about
Lynn.
A time where you had a really creepy, spooky,
or just unusual investigation.
I would love to hear that.
Speaker B (20:15):
I was investigating with.
I also belonged to an adult team, and we were
investigating a private residence.
They were moving, so the house was mostly
empty, had a few things, but not much.
And they said that things kept moving.
They kept hearing things.
They swore they heard voices, stuff like that.
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So we went and said, okay, let's go find thebad wiring.
Because until we can prove it, it's some otherexplanation.
It has to be proven to us that it isparanormal.
Speaker A (20:51):
Right?
Speaker B (20:52):
And we're going through, and it's two of us, the team lead, my friend and
myself.
And we all happen to be in the same bedroom at
us.
Seriously, all of a sudden, we just look at
each other and we're like, we're getting thehell out of here.
We run downstairs, we grab whose ever stuff.
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We didn't care whose it was.
We threw it in our cars.
We're over by our cars now.
And now we are debating, like, five year oldswho's going to go and lock the door, because
we didn't lock it on the way out.
Yeah.
So all three go lock the door, go back to ourcars, go several blocks down the road, sort
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out the stuff.
And then we looked at each other, and it's
like, what happened?We weren't feeding off of each other because
we all had this sense of absolute terror atthe same time.
And I can say it's probably one of the veryfew times in my life I felt absolute terror.
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And it came from inside.
Speaker A (22:01):
Yeah, hang on a second, Lynn.
Terror when you mean that something was in the
room with you?There was just a feeling.
Speaker B (22:15):
It's like it came from inside.
It came from inside.
Each one of us at the same time.
All three of us were just scared out of our
wits.
We did not see anything.
We did not hear anything.
We reviewed footage.
There was nothing there.
We reviewed audio.
Nothing there.
Nothing was going off.
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Just all of a sudden, it was like somebody wasscaring the hell out of us to get us out of
that house.
And interestingly, who was it?
Was it Kim?I think it was either Kim or myself.
I don't remember which one turned back andjust started clicking pictures of the house.
Speaker A (22:55):
Sure.
Speaker B (22:55):
When we looked back at those, there was something in the room.
We were in an upstairs bedroom.
In the window of the upstairs bedroom, there
is a shaped, faceless figure that's, like,looking out at us from the windows.
And it's at night.
It's at night.
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The street lights weren't in the way.
We were able to say, okay, that's not a
reflection, because the tallest one of us isfive five, and that's not me.
Nobody was in the house that we could see.
Nobody was projecting anything.
It was coming from the house, and it wasdarker than the dark of the house.
Speaker A (23:41):
Wow. Go ahead.
Speaker B (23:47):
We have no idea what it was, but whatever it was wanted us out of the house and
was able to incite in us just this absolutefear and terror that got us out of the house
really quick.
Speaker A (23:59):
Yeah. Had you done any research before or after?
Was there a murder in the house?Was there.
I don't know, maybe someone who used to beattheir kids or torture their kids.
You know what I mean?Something that you think would bring that up?
Speaker B (24:18):
Well, we found out through research that it's on a possible ute burial ground.
All of grand junction, Colorado, used to bewhere the utes were.
And in this area, it was proposed that theremay have been a burial ground.
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The house, at the time we investigated, wasrented, but we found out that of the previous
owners, and the house was built in the early60s, that at least ten of the owners had died
that we could find.
Six of them actually died in residence.
(25:02):
Wow.
We could find no other information on them.
The obituaries were very plain, which wasinteresting because usually family will put
the father of our children gained his wings.
No, it was just name, birth date, death date,
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died, and they all didn't die of the samething that we could find.
It was just very weird, very unusual.
Speaker A (25:37):
Yeah, that is unusual.
Speaking of that, have you ever had an
investigation on it?Kind of sounds, like similar to this, but
maybe you got sick.
Maybe you had to, like, because I know some
paranormal investigators where they're like,man, my stomach is really hurting, or I'm
having trouble breathing or something.
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Then I got to go out.
Come on.
Speaker B (26:02):
I get headaches and stomach aches especially.
Well, it'll also happen around a lot of highEMF.
We were doing a business locally, which Ican't name, but we didn't know that they had a
computer room, and we're getting closer to thecenter of it, and I'm like, oh, man, my head
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is killing me.
A couple of people were feeling tingles on
their skin, and my headache progressed towhere I was like, I'm going to get sick.
I need to step out.
I'd step out a few seconds later, I'm fine.
I'd go back to where the team was around thatarea, and I'm getting sick again.
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And it's like, what is going on?Come to find out that it was a huge computer
room with, like, a miniature mainframe in itand all, like, this sort of stuff setting off
all sorts.
I mean, EMF was ridiculous.
You couldn't take a reading using a k twobecause it would go to red all the time.
Mail meters were spiking.
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We just decided, okay, we got to get out of
here.
Because the longer we stayed in, the more it
was affecting people to the point where Ithink almost all of us at some point were
affected.
Speaker A (27:19):
Sure. That's crazy, too.
Speaker B (27:26):
Yeah. So high EMF and computer around, a lot of known electricity can give me
headaches.
But it's also happened when there haven't been
that.
We were at Crown Point Cemetery, and I started
getting that.
I call it the EMF headache.
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And I was like, okay, what is going on?There's one light, and it's solar powered.
And I was not standing near it.
It was already close to winter, so the
sprinkler system was off.
I'm like, what is going on?
And I'm just not feeling well.
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And a couple of other people weren't.
Some were fine.
And I was like, I don't know what's going on.
So then I just start snapping pictureswillynilly, regular camera flash on, just to
do something so I can go home because I'm notfeeling good.
And that's when we actually got a picture of afull apparition with a cowboy hat on, tilted
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down, leaning up against a tree with his leglike bent.
Like he was just standing there resting.
Speaker A (28:46):
Sure.
Speaker B (28:46):
I mean, you can distinguish arms, vest, shirt, hat, boots.
You can distinguish the entire thing.
And none of us saw this.
We did not see this with our eyes.
I've gone back on my own.
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I've gone back with other people, same camera,and tried to recreate it.
There's nothing around that tree to recreatethat.
It wasn't a shadow because it was muchlighter.
It was a translucent white.
There was no fog.
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Nothing that we could distinguish that couldhave created that with that sort of detail.
Speaker A (29:35):
Sure.
Speaker B (29:37):
Okay. Wow. Yeah.
Speaker A (29:40):
That's amazing.
That's just interesting.
That just happens a certain time.
I always say this many times when paranormal
investigators have been on the show.
And because you could be at a place, right.
For hours, nothing happens.
Nothing.
And then you go in and maybe in the first tenminutes, bam.
(30:03):
Right.
All they gave.
Speaker B (30:04):
Yeah.
Speaker A (30:04):
So it's not like, would you sit with Zach Baggins out there?
Who's like, I went in and all this crazy stuffhappened.
Speaker B (30:12):
Oh, my God. It said, it's going to kill me.
Speaker A (30:14):
Yeah, right.
You could be there for.
Well, with him.
He has the budget to be there for days, but
you could be there for hours.
You could go back a couple of times and
nothing.
And then you're like, I don't know what to
tell you.
Speaker B (30:28):
Yeah. It happened this one time.
We cannot physically recreate this.
And we had been investigating.
We were there for maybe 3 hours.
And it wasn't until the latter half theinvestigation where I started getting the
headache.
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And that's when I just started snapping
pictures all over the place.
Just, okay.
I got to document it.
And it wasn't my first time there.
It wasn't my last.
I don't know why it showed up, but it is a
cowboy, approximately six to six two, slenderbuild.
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No way to determine age, but he's got hiscowboy hat tilted down and he's just kind of
resting and.
History of the area.
That cemetery used to be part of a hugehomestead.
And then it traded hands as people came andwent.
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And then it was donated to the city.
The city has part of it as a cemetery, veteran
cemetery.
And part of it is not used whatsoever.
It's empty lot.
I guess that way they can expand if need be.
It's way out there.
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There are very few homes within, I'm going to
say maybe 10 miles of the cemetery.
It was really weird to capture that because we
were like, where did this come from?And it's in one picture.
Speaker A (32:11):
Wow. That's amazing.
So let me ask you this, Lynn.
Have you ever had a spirit attached toyourself or anyone on the team?
Like, take a spirit home?
Speaker B (32:24):
I'm going to say for myself, yes, I can't speak for the others.
No one's really said anything other than, didanything creepy happen to you?
Then it's like, no, it must just be me.
I came home from an investigation,
incidentally, at the same house where we hadour souls scared out of our bodies.
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We investigated that house three times.
It was the second time that we got run out of
the house.
The first time I came home, we didn't get a
whole lot.
We thought we heard a guttural growl from the
basement.
But I wasn't the one holding the recorder.
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The person that was holding the recorder thathad been next to me ran.
Speaker A (33:15):
So would I. Yeah.
Speaker B (33:18):
So you don't hear it really? Well, for some reason, I stood there.
I don't know why.
Not sure that that's bravery or stupidity, but
we were there and, oh, shoot, I forgot what Iwas saying.
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I came home after the investigation.
Nothing special had happened.
And I usually always carry salt, sage, andmoon water on me or blessed water.
I am a practicing witch.
This one time, I did not sage the car or
myself.
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I just came home.
It was about 02:00 a.m. I was tired, and Icome in and I'm starting to listen to my
recorders immediately.
And all of a sudden my wife's, like, flagging
me down, and I'm like, what?She goes, what's on in your backpack?
It's like, nothing.
I left most of my equipment in the car.
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The only thing that's in here is the babymonitor.
It was multiple floor house, so we had a babymonitor so we could tell where everybody was.
We could hear them.
I said, it has to be plugged in.
So I take my earbuds out.
I'm hearing this from my backpack, and I pull
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out the baby monitors.
I put them on the floor.
They're going off.
It's the static noise.
They are going off.
Very professional like.
I throw them out the front door, grab my sageand salt, douse them.
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But the thing is that there were no batteriesin them.
They are only run off of electricity throughan ac plugin.
Speaker A (35:18):
Sure.
Speaker B (35:19):
Now, this baby monitor set had been used with my grandmother as she got older.
And when she passed away, when my wife andmyself and my family went to go take care of
whatever we needed to and just say ourgoodbyes.
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My aunt who lived with my grandma said, Idon't have any use for this.
Baby monitors.
Do you want this?
And I had kids at the time, and I was like,sure, you know, maybe we can use it around the
house.
Never used it around the house.
Used it that one time on an investigation.
Because it's like, we need to know where
people are going to be.
Speaker A (36:00):
Sure.
Speaker B (36:01):
And, son of a gun, that thing didn't start going off with no in my hands, no
electricity, no batteries in it.
After I saged and sold it and left it outside
overnight, I checked the battery compartments.
No batteries, no nothing.
And I turned to my wife and I said, now youheard this?
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She was like, yes, I heard that.
She's like, what are you doing?
She goes, you don't bring them home.
You leave them there.
Did you tell them they can't come with you?It's like, well, yeah, generally we always do.
And she was like, did you sage?Afterward, I was like, well, no, I was tired.
I wanted to come home.
She was like, you are a witch.
You're going to sage, **** it.
Speaker A (36:46):
Right?
Speaker B (36:47):
Come on.
From then on, I'm not allowed in the house
unless I have saged myself, the car, and myequipment.
Speaker A (36:57):
So back for a second.
I've had witches on my podcast here.
So what kind of witch are you?Do you distinguish yourself with any category
or generality of eclectic?
Speaker B (37:13):
If it feels right to me, I do it.
Speaker A (37:16):
Okay.
Speaker B (37:20):
I don't follow any prescribed way, such as wiccan.
I practice by myself and I pick up things hereand there.
Like last night, I had a bunch of stuff in ourbathroom windowsill because of the full moon.
To cleanse it.
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I carry stones on me constantly, which I feel
with intent.
I don't do spells as much anymore just because
as the kids have gotten older, you can getinterrupted.
And nothing says, this is going to backfire onyour ***.
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Then when you're doing a spell, you have tostop and say, would you two stop that?
And then you go back.
You can't just.
No, I don't want to even know what wouldhappen.
In that case.
Yeah, absolutely.
Yeah.
I observe the equinox Sabbath.
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I just love to be out in nature.
Usually if I've had a really tough day or a
couple of days or like after my dad wasfinally home, I told my mom, hey, I'm going to
take off for a couple hours.
I'll be right back.
And she's like, okay.
I went to the cemetery and just relaxed.
The cemeteries have always been my relaxingplace my mom took me, starting when I was,
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like, five years old.
We lived in Texas at the time.
Not my fault.
And we would go to a cemetery and have
picnics.
I never knew that they were supposed to be
scary.
Speaker A (39:04):
Oh, okay.
Speaker B (39:06):
Yeah. When people say, oh, those places are so scary to me.
It's like, why?
Speaker A (39:12):
Yeah.
Speaker B (39:13):
And that's what I try and teach the boys, is that this is not a scary place.
This can be a very restful, peaceful place.
But would you want someone coming into your
home and being disrespectful to you?Well, no. Then you don't go there, and you're
not disrespectful to them.
This is their home.
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This is where they rest.
If all of a sudden we get a feeling, or
anybody gets a feeling of, I don't really wantto be here, I need to go, we leave because if
they're telling one of us, then all of usshould get the message correct.
You treat them with respect when we go in.
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I've taught the boys that we go in, we
introduce ourselves, we tell them that whatour intention is, whether it's to investigate
or just to hang out or.
I take grave rubbing sometimes, and I do ask
them if I may take a rubbing of their graves.
And I've had a crayon break on me.
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It's like, okay, not that one.
And I go somewhere else.
It's just about respect.
Respect for them and for us.
And when we go to a cemetery, I always referto the people that are there as residents.
Oh, that's interesting because that's wherethey reside.
Speaker A (40:39):
Yeah.
Speaker B (40:40):
So it's like you don't want anybody coming into our house and being nasty and
mean.
Guess what?
Same thing.
Speaker A (40:48):
Yeah.
Speaker B (40:49):
They have taken to that very well.
Speaker A (40:52):
Yeah. I think that is some great takeaways because there are paranormal
investigators out there who may not followwhat you're doing and going through.
One of my recent guests, she loves cemeteries,too.
She's a young woman and she takes pictures.
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And she has a really good artistic eye, I
should say, for it.
Speaker B (41:20):
Oh, wow.
Speaker A (41:21):
I think it's amazing because I think people, again, it's Hollywood, right?
It's Hollywood.
It was the spooky grave.
Oh, no, that's fine.
This fog coming through the graves and the
rain, you get that to your head, you say,creepy.
(41:44):
Well, that's Hollywood.
It's a sunshiny day and you walk it.
That isn't cell.
In movies.
What?Cells is creepy.
Spooky, evil, scary.
Speaker B (41:58):
Yeah. Bad.
Speaker A (42:00):
And going into there is not a good idea.
You should.
Whatever.
And if you do that, and all the folklore, too,that still people are here, too, you need to
step this way over a grave, and you need toenter this way.
Do you believe in any of that folklore whenyou enter a cemetery?
Speaker B (42:28):
No, I go in the entrance and leave through the exits.
I don't feel that you have to walk backward inorder so they don't follow you or can't jump
into your body.
I don't prescribe to any of that.
And I feel that they have much better thingsto do than to try to attach to myself, because
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they'd come home with me and they'd be like, Ididn't know there were five teenagers here.
I'm out.
Best ghost deterrent ever.
Or, how would I know my home is haunted?I'd be like, who left the milk out when I know
it wasn't the ghost?Come on, guys.
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Yeah, none of that.
No. If there is a folklore for it, and I don't
know that there is, I go in, I say hello,introduce myself in some of the smaller ones,
if I notice that there are new residents, andI go over and I introduce myself again to them
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and let them know that, yes, I've been heremany times.
My intentions are good.
I'm just here to either relax or gather
information about their stories that they'dlike to tell us.
We'd love to hear them, let them know how theyknow, try to communicate with us.
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And then when we leave, we just say goodbyeand thank them for anything that they may have
given us.
And that's it.
Speaker A (44:02):
Yeah, I love that, Lyn.
That is some great advice for people out
there, whether it be paranormal investigators,whether you maybe love the paranormal, and
you're going into a cemetery or graveyard, andyou're trying to be very respectful and treat
these people like it's your house.
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Like you said, you don't want anybody busted
in your living room and being like, hey, startthrowing **** around and.
Speaker B (44:32):
Be like, what do you really? I don't want someone coming into my house and
saying, hey, what are you going to do aboutit?
No, and I'm not going to go into their areaand do that.
I do not allow my kids to provoke.
If one of them starts to get on the edge, I'm
like, no, we don't do that.
And you need to apologize for it, because that
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was edging on, disrespectful, and I'm sorry.
It's like, okay, and don't do it again.
That's the best way.
You show that you are sorry and won't do that.
And that's just the rules that I followbecause I see that, yeah, they may not have a
corporeal body, but that doesn't mean thatthey're any different than you or I. They
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still have feelings.
Their feelings may be much more intense since
they aren't bothered with, oh, I've got anitch on my arm or, oh, my hair looks bad
today.
And I just try to treat them with respect, I
think.
Which is also why I've never had a bad
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experience in a cemetery, other than theheadache.
And I'm not sure that was bad.
Speaker A (45:41):
Sure.
Speaker B (45:42):
I think that was like a side effect.
If they're trying to manifest and somebody issensitive to high EMF, I don't think that's
their fault.
So it's just one of those things.
But I have quit teams before because theywould go in there like Zach Bagan's and what
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are you going to do?Coming at us and stuff?
And it's like, oh, no, I'm out.
No, not my bag of tea.
However, somebody wants to investigate, that'show they want to investigate.
It's not right or wrong.
This is the way I do it.
And I consider it my prerogative whether ornot I want to be with people that will
provoke, be nasty, be disrespectful, or peoplethat.
Speaker A (46:36):
Yeah.
Speaker B (46:37):
And I prefer to be with those that are.
Speaker A (46:39):
I totally, totally agree with you.
So thank you for all that.
I love it.
I thought it'd be fun, Lynn, to share.
Since this is Midwest and everything, I wantedto share with you some of the most haunted
cemeteries in each of these states.
And then if you have something you want to
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add, if you would like to add like one in yourstate or whatever, or just one that you're
like, hey, I went to this one.
Put that on the list.
It's not really a list.
It just kind of gives you a good idea of what
it is.
Speaker B (47:14):
Pen and paper ready.
Speaker A (47:18):
So, like I said, this is the midwest, and these are the top creepiest
cemeteries according to Dairyland fright.
So let's start in my home state of wisconsin.
Okay.
This is one of my favorite stories.
I love this one.
And you definitely should check it out if you
have an opportunity.
So the Wisconsin riverside cemetery, it's in
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Appleton, Wisconsin, is one of the most famousparanormal spots in the state because there is
a grave there.
Kate blood.
That is her actual name.
As an automated name, that is her actual name.
Speaker B (47:57):
Oh, that's cool.
Speaker A (47:58):
Cemetery.
And you'll love this, Lynn.
You'll love this.
I guarantee you.
Love.
Legend says that on the full moon, the grave
will drip blood.
So on the gravestone, others say that the
stone, like I said, is where they think shewas murdered.
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Now, I'm not going to get into history.
She couldn't have been murdered.
You got to look at the dates.
It's like, whatever.
They also thought she was a witch.
They also thought she was practicing black
magic as a witch.
And all this really, this is from the 18
hundreds, by the way?
Speaker B (48:39):
Yes.
Speaker A (48:40):
Okay. And the cemetery, which is when you walk into Lynn to let you know, Kate
blood's tombstone, or headstone or whateveryou want to call it, marker, is not in the
actual cemetery.
It is apart from it.
So when you walk in, let's say you would gothere someday and you'd be like, hey, John,
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how about a wild goose chase?What the hell is John trying to do to me?
And then you'll look out and you'll see thissolitary headstone.
Well, actually it's a really nice one.
Look at some pictures of it.
Really well done.
Anyway, so you walk in there and you will see
cape blood, 18 whatever to 18 whatever.
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And like I said, people will go there on a
full moon.
And when you supposedly look at it, like I
said, blood will start dripping down from hertombstone.
Or grayfield.
We did episode 19, if you want to check it
out.
We did that.
And I just think that is crazy.
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Have you ever heard of anything like that on a
certain time and day or whatever, that thetombstone, headstone, whatever you want to
call it, starts bleeding or whatever?
Speaker B (50:02):
Haven't heard of bleeding.
That's a new one to me.
I've heard of the ghost lights in a town herein Colorado where in the winter, allegedly by
the full moon, that these ghost lights willappear.
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Well, I looked at a picture of it onlineduring the day, and there are solar lights, so
I'm a little less interested now.
But I have not heard of blood.
I've heard of screams, full body apparitions,of different things happening.
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But blood's a new one.
Speaker A (50:48):
Yeah. There you go.
There you go.
Let's move on to the next one.
Believe it or not.
Brazil, Indiana.
There's a cemetery called the 100 step
cemetery.
And I discovered this one.
And what you're supposed to do, Lynn, isyou're supposed.
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So what's really weird is you go up to thecemetery, and there's steps leading into the
cemetery up the hill.
Now, what you must do is you must do this at
midnight.
And it's fairly simple.
You go at midnight under a moonless sky.
No phone.
Speaker B (51:28):
New moon.
Speaker A (51:29):
Yeah. And must ascend the steps, counting as he or she goes.
One should count 100 steps by the time youhave reached the summit.
Then you're going to see an apparition appearto you.
If you, which me and my other guests werejoking, if you try to walk it up backwards or
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you try to skip the steps, you know what Imean?
Like you're being right.
You're just like La La and stuff, and you
don't count or whatever.
Well, what happens is you get up to, up to
there and there is an old caretaker and whatthey'll do is they will touch you and when
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they touch you, you will see how you will die.
Now you don't.
Speaker B (52:25):
Oh, that's creepy.
Speaker A (52:26):
You're not going to see when you're going to die, what time, blah, blah, blah.
No, you just see your death.
Like, you will have your death.
So whatever that is.
Right.
The other thing too, is I thought was reallyinteresting, is let's say this is the other
thing I thought was kind of weird.
So let's say you do everything right, okay.
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And you get up there, supposedly you'resupposed to still see this old caretaker, and
I guess you're okay, which doesn't make senseto me, but okay.
But going down the steps, you must count 100steps going down.
If you do not do that correctly, you will.
What they say, oh, you're going to die soon.
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They don't tell you when.
They don't tell you how you're just going to
die.
Speaker B (53:16):
We don't know when.
We don't know where.
You will die.
Speaker A (53:20):
Yeah, you're just going to die.
I don't know why, but here's the other thing
that I thought was now.
Speaker B (53:29):
Is the caretaker alive or dead? That's touching you.
Speaker A (53:33):
Well, they're like an apparition.
Speaker B (53:35):
Okay, I was going to say alive, that's assault.
Speaker A (53:42):
No, that's an apparition.
He's the first caretaker that ever was at a
cemetery.
By the way, if you're interested in civil war,
this used to be an old civil war cemetery.
So a lot of civil war soldiers, generals,
whatever, are buried.
Take a look at it.
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It's online.
You can look at the steps.
It's now concrete.
They used to be wood and then they started to
deteriorate and, oh, by the way, if you wouldever go there, Lynn, you have to talk to the
local police and say you're doing aninvestigation because this is permission.
Yeah, it closes at six.
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I don't know why?
Speaker B (54:26):
We have one here that the city took over after private ownership.
And I thought that 08:00 during the summer,it's the light out would be fine.
I get there, the gates are closed, and it'slike, I don't need to visit the jail.
No. So then I found the caretaker, and he waslike, yeah, they closed now at 06:00 five on
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Sundays or, no, they're closed now on Sundays.
And I was like, what if someone wants to do a
service?Well, we'll open if there's a service.
But yeah, they are closed on Sundays.
And I was like, thanks a lot, guys.
Speaker A (55:03):
Yeah, I know you go on YouTube, Lyn.
There's been a ton investigations.
So it's not like you can't do this.
You just got to talk to somebody and justsaying, hey, I'm going to do investigation.
But here's the thing.
This is super funny to me, and maybe it
shouldn't be.
So let's say you're just being really, I don't
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know, maybe you're drunk or something.
You want to have a little fun.
If you try running up the hill without goingon the stairs at all, what happens to you is
when you get to the top, some force pushes youand you fall all the way down the hill.
And then the next day, when you take off yourshirt, there's supposed to be a handprint,
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which they believe is the devil pushing youdown the hill.
It's a deep red handprint will appear on yourback.
Deep red handprint will appear on your back,Lynn, for several days.
So, in other words, don't be disrespectfullike we talked about.
Speaker B (56:16):
Is the force that's pushing you down named Jim Beam or Jack Daniels?
Jose Cuevo, maybe.
Speaker A (56:25):
Yeah, sure.
Speaker B (56:27):
Oh, wow.
Speaker A (56:28):
Yeah. So there's a lot of things going on in this cemetery, which I thought was
really interesting.
So let's move on to the next one.
That's in Michigan.
And this one is ganang.
G-A-N-O-N-G.
Cemetery.
And these are so weird towns.
Live inkster, Michigan.
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Inkster.
I-N-K-S-T-E-R.
So visitors to this site claim to have spottedglowing eyes, eerie mist, and unexplained orbs
around the graveyard.
Drivers.
This is scary.
So, drivers pass the graveyard.
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There must be a road.
I was looking it up on Google maps.
So there's a road near the graveyard.
Have reported seeing a ghostly white figure
run out in front of their cars, causing caraccidents in front of the graveyard.
Speaker B (57:26):
Oh, wow.
Speaker A (57:27):
Numerous people have said, and they don't say what?
It's a little boy, a little girl.
It's a man, it's a woman.
But I was reading one account, but I don'tknow what to believe, because some people kind
of take it on their own to be a little more.
Whatever.
And this one guy was driving past, and all ofa sudden, he sees, like, this figure running
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in front of his car, and he thinks ofteenagers because it was, like, around
Halloween, he thinks it's teenagers.
So the guy swears every other word, and he
swerves, and he goes into the ditch, and he'slike, **** it.
What the hell?So he calls the cops because he's got to get
out of the ditch.
He might have damaged his car, whatever.
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Cops come out there, and they're asked, you,well, what happened?
And he's like, well, I don't know.
Somebody ran from my **** car, almost hit him.
And the cops know about the cemetery, andthey're like, oh, okay.
You all right?And I'm fine.
Well, we'll get this taken care of for you,but just remember, best not to drive past the
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cemetery at night anymore.
Speaker B (58:34):
Yeah, that's a day trip.
Definitely.
Speaker A (58:38):
Yeah. I'm not really sure if this happens all the time and who's the ghost or
whatever, but it's pretty crazy.
And a lot of orbs people have seen, like, and
I don't want to be like, hollywood sounds likea Hollywood horror movie, but people have
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said, like, they'll just be sitting, know,just looking around the grave.
So, like, know, seeing fine, and all of asudden, a mist will just come in just out of
nowhere, and it can be in the middle of theday.
People have said that.
One guy said, oh, I like to go out there and
just relax.
And I have my lunch, and I sit on a bench, and
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I just, whatever.
And then he talks about a mist just comes in,
like someone turned on a fog machine, juststarts coming in.
And he's like, what?And then he felt really frightened, so he
said, all right, cut my lunch short.
I'm out of here.
Other people, they've gone around to this one.
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There's some gravestones.
You'll have to look up that they'll go nearthem, and eerie eyes, like, these eyes will
peer up over the gravestone like a littlecreature, like, looking over and staring at
you.
And most people just run out of there, but the
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most thing is people running in front of thecars and people swerving and barely missing,
whoever that is.
Speaker B (01:00:09):
Wow.
Speaker A (01:00:10):
Yeah. Sounds like a good one.
This is one of my favorite ones.
I don't know if you've ever heard of this one.
This one is in Iowa at the Fairview cemetery,
council bluffs, Iowa.
And they have black angel.
Okay.
Black angel statue.
And is rumored to follow.
The statue is supposed to follow you with its
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eyes.
May even curse you with sickliness.
Lights have been seen there in the treesbehind older graves.
People have reported feeling watched orclosely followed.
By the way, the black angel.
Like you said, if you think you're going to be
funny and say anything bad, you're somethingcrappy happen to you.
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People have said kids goofing around andthey're like, oh, whatever.
And they're touching it and they're being,look, whatever.
And then their friend dies in a car accidentnext week.
Speaker B (01:01:07):
Oh my God.
Speaker A (01:01:08):
You know what I mean? Now whether that's.
Whether that's whatever.
But people have in that area have said if
you're going to go up to her, you basicallysay hello, I hope you're fine, and blah, blah.
You know what I mean?Just very respectful, very nice.
And don't really spend too much time aroundthat.
(01:01:29):
It's pretty.
Some crazy stories associated with that.
Speaker B (01:01:34):
Yeah, I've heard some stories.
My grandmother was born and grew up in Iowa.
And she would say, now I have to say, she saidthis later in life.
So we took it with a grain of salt because alittle bit of dementia had set in.
And oftentimes she would think I was my mom.
(01:01:58):
But she would tell us about the black angel
that watches.
And it's like, okay, I haven't been to Iowa.
I've been wanting to go, but it was just oneof those.
Okay, so is this grandma actually knowing thisor is this what's going on here?
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That is interesting.
Speaker A (01:02:24):
Yeah. Oh, by the way, same thing with all these cemeteries.
They close at a certain point.
So you got to go to the local authorities or
whoever and caretaker, whoever you go to andbasically say, I'm a paranormal investigator.
And most of them are pretty cool.
So my last one is one of my favorite ones.
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We did episode on this and this is bachelor'sGrove in Midlothian, Illinois.
So what I love about bachelor's grove is thisis a tiny and it's long time been abandoned
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land.
So this is like crazy.
Unfortunately, it's really small.
It doesn't have a hundred plots, but the size
of it is about a one acre area.
The level of paranormal activity in this small
area is crazy.
It is considered one of the world haunted
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cemeteries.
Bachelor Grove isn't one of those places where
there's a single ghost or something.
Munuscule.
Over a dozen different experience weredocumented multiple times, attracting
paranormal investigators from around theglobe.
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That is episode 21, which we did.
So here's the thing.
When they made bachelor's grove, it was forbachelors, guys without wives, right?
Their own little guy camp, as I like to callit.
Well, eventually they were like, okay, I gotto move out of here.
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I can't just be sitting with a bunch of guysin the middle of the woods.
I got to get a wife and a family or whatever Ineed to do, right?
A partner.
But here's the thing that's really sad, Lynn.
They have desecrated many graves.
Teenagers have gone in there.
They have kicked over the graves.
They've demolished the, um.
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If you look at it, super sad.
So a lot of the graves are demolished.
They have been dug up.
They have been.
Everything you could do to desecrate acemetery, this cemetery has been done.
It is, by the way, if you ever do want to goto it, it's near Chicago.
It's near actually, how do I say?Like residences or, like, it's really weird.
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When you look at a Google maps, you'll belike, this is the weirdest thing.
So you literally go into this cemetery, andthe good news, Lynn, is they've tried to fix
it up.
They've tried to keep the kids out.
They've tried to keep other vandals out andstuff.
And they've tried, at the very least, to tryto keep it as is.
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You can't gravestones that people bashed itand picked over, unfortunately.
But that means everyone has gone there.
Everybody who has gone there with paranormal
experience, like yourself, Lynn, has gottensomething.
EVP pictures being touched, being grabbed,hearing voices, seeing orbs, seeing mists,
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seeing.
I mean, what I would saw is the jackpot of
cemeteries to go there.
Like, no one's ever been disappointed.
Yeah, now there's two ghosts, two famousghosts.
There is a woman who comes out in the usuallymorning hours, about four or five in the
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morning.
So if you can make it to that.
And she sits on a bench next to a baby'sgrave.
People believe that this is the mother of thebaby who lost the baby.
And it's basically there going to keep an eyeon it.
So there are the multitude of people.
People just think it's bachelors.
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It's actually babies, it's actually men,women, children.
There's just this carnival.
Speaker B (01:06:45):
So it may have started out as unmarried men, but then it kind of evolved.
Okay, my question was, okay, woman in abachelor cemetery.
Speaker A (01:06:56):
Yeah. And there's a picture of that online someone took.
Whether you believe it or not, it's totally upto you.
But it's very interesting.
It's a full apparition of a young, looks like
a young woman in a white dress sitting with aveil.
So she's just on the bench and she's juststaring out there.
Also, there's been people who have seenbachelors going around and kind of not really
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scaring people but kind of making it known tolike, hey, leave.
Kind of the gentle nudge if you want to say.
There's also a caretaker there who doesn't
like people at all.
And he will basically, there have been stories
of people like their camera being grabbed,them being pushed, them hearing voices of get
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out, them being number of different physical,actual touching things.
Some people, bruises on their arms, bruises ontheir backs, scratches on their arms.
And they just feeling of like this caretakeris like, hey, get out.
Now.
The other thing is, which is I think
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frightening is there is a pond.
If you walk out of bachelor's grove, there's a
small pond.
I don't know if it's still there, but I
believe it is the small pond where this guyand his horse drowned in the pond, I guess
maybe coming through in the 18 hundreds andmaybe it was mud.
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Was it a pond at this time?I don't know what it was.
And they came through and anyway, the horseand everybody drowned.
He's trying to get the horse out.
He drowned with the horse, basically pulled
him in.
So you will see, people have reported, you
will see an apparition of a horse and a manscreaming and the horse name or whatever it's
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doing it that you tell it's in danger and havepicked up that audio where have seen the
apparition of that.
That does not happen a lot, but people have
seen it and then it just disappears.
Also, supposedly that's part of the flood
area.
So there's like in there.
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So people go, even though they say it's likecrappy runoff water, do not try to wait in it.
Do not try to, I don't know, do anything withit because it's just mud.
You know what I mean?Like something's going to happen.
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And just stepping in at people who have triedare like, no, you got to get me out right away
because I feel like something's pulling meout.
So those are some of them here in the midwest.
Oh, wow, those are fascinating.
Yeah.
Everyone to check them know.
Please do again, take the opportunity to talkto people before you do it.
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If you do, Lynn, I would love to have you backon the show and have you talk about some of
your experiences, whatever one you would try,or maybe go to a different one.
Speaker B (01:10:13):
Yeah. My nephew actually lives and works in Wisconsin, and so when I heard that,
I was like, oh, there's a reason to go see mynephew.
Speaker A (01:10:23):
There you go.
Speaker B (01:10:24):
I'm a horrible person.
No, that wouldn't be why I'd go see him.
I'd go see him because I love him.
This is just a little extra incentive to get
me.
Speaker A (01:10:34):
Absolutely.
Well, you know, before we wrap up the show.
Thank you again.
I loved your stories.
It was awesome.
Speaker B (01:10:42):
Well, if there's one place I can tell you about in Colorado, it's not in Grand
Junction.
It's in Aurora.
It's kind of on the border of Aurora, Denver.
It's third bridge.
Now, I have done a lot of research on this,all the way from the massacre that happened in
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1867.
I may have that wrong.
I'm sorry if I do.
All the way to current, where multiple people
have died at or near the bridge, 99% of themin the month of June.
Why?I don't know, but June seems to be a very bad
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time for that.
Accidents got so bad and frequent, they
actually took.
It was a heel that rolled down and then back
up.
They actually took it, part of it, and shaved
off part of the hill, thinking, okay, maybewhen drivers are coming up, they can't see,
they wander over.
Smash.
But most of these are single car accidents.
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I've gone there twice.
It is privately owned land, so don't wanderaround, because he will call the cops.
But the road is public road, so you can stayon the road.
And that's where I stayed.
I did not go onto the land.
I just had my, wow, this is going to age me.
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My ipod.
Yeah, it was an ipod touch nonetheless.
I know I didn't have kids, and I wasn't
married at the time, so I could getextravagances like an ipod touch.
I started recording, and I tripped because Iwas not paying attention where I was going.
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I tripped, stumbled, and I was like, oh, man,that's got to be funny.
Now, I did not hear this, but on therecording, you can hear.
And I was like, I didn't laugh at myselftripping and almost falling on the road, but
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it is definitely.
I don't know of an animal that exists in
Colorado that makes that noise.
Sure.
I have tried listening to many differentanimals.
Nothing.
And it's right after I say, oh, but that's
cute.
That's funny.
And then it laughs at me, and I'm like, well,I swear.
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But people have gone under the bridge, and onthis road, it is the third bridge, which is
why it's called third bridge.
People have spray painted underneath the
bridge.
Allegedly, people do demonic ceremonies there.
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They bring out Ouija boards and stuff likethat.
And it's like, okay, guys, this is gettingstupid, right?
My dad belonged to the volunteer firedepartment out in Elbert, which is very close,
and a friend of his found out that know love,ghosts and ghost stories and things like that,
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I wouldn't call myself an investigator at thattime.
And they showed me a picture that they took,and it's a picture of a field with a fence,
and there is a figure.
You can see head, shoulders.
And then the body kind of fades out in themiddle of this field.
It is not a mist.
It is not fog.
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It is a figure in the middle of this.
And I was like, oh, my God.
That's my holy grail.
And this is from a firefighter that took this.
The fire station that my dad belonged to.
He was a volunteer firefighter, had two
professional firefighters, meaning they gotpaid, and it was one of them that got the
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picture.
And I was like, tell me the circumstances.
I heard the stories, and so I just startedsnapping my camera.
I was like, did you see it with your eyes?No. Did you hear anything?
No. Just the feeling you get around there isvery much.
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You are being watched.
Considering the verifiable history of death
that has occurred there, it could be anybody.
I mean, there was a massacre involving
indigenous people there.
Some say that it was soldiers that made it
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look like it was indigenous.
I don't know.
Wasn't there?Not that old yet.
But there was a school teacher that died nearthere.
There have been kids.
There was a bus crash.
People have gone out there to try toexperience third bridge and have died.
Speaker A (01:15:52):
Wow.
Speaker B (01:15:53):
In the month of June.
And I have tried looking at star charts,
seeing, okay, were the stars aligned in someway?
What was the phase of the moon?Is there a fog or something that comes in?
I can find no anomaly that occurs only inJune.
That would know made these things happen.
Speaker A (01:16:17):
Yeah.
Speaker B (01:16:19):
So I don't know what happens in June.
I have not been there in.
I. Because I used to live in Denver, but now
that I live over here, I probably won't bethere in June anytime soon because kids are
out of school.
But it is very heavy.
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You definitely feel like you're being watched,and not just by wildlife.
I did not see any figure, anything.
The ipod touch would not take pictures.
So I don't have pictures of it.
But there is definitely a feeling, and people
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say that they keep hearing drums, like fromindigenous people drumming there.
Problem is, there are oil wells not too faraway, and they sound like a drumming with a
constant beat.
Once I found that out, I was like, okay, well,
I can take that myth out.
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But, yeah, that has to be one of the areas.
I was kind of happy to get out of therebecause it felt so uncomfortable, so heavy,
and I couldn't figure out why.
My brain scrambling, going, okay, there's got
to be some reason.
And there wasn't.
And I was talking out loud to myself.
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Any cars that passed by me were like, oh, God,
don't they know where the sanitarium is?But, yeah, third bridge is definitely.
I mean, above Stanley Hotel, above theGlenwood Hotel, above any place in Colorado.
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That has to be one of the areas, but it is onprivate land.
He will call the police.
You definitely need permission, and he does
not give it lightly.
There have been some people on YouTube that
sneak out there, and I don't believe insneaking out there.
I went on property that I shouldn't have once,and I got very lucky.
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I was by an empty building.
I didn't know the other buildings had literal
residents that lived there and went to schoolthere.
And I caused the school lockdown.
Speaker A (01:18:46):
Whoops.
Speaker B (01:18:48):
Yeah. And the police came up.
I waited for them and told them what I was
doing, showed them the pictures I was taking.
Thankfully, they took a lot of mercy on me,
and they were like, okay, you just have toleave property.
But they thought it was really cool what I wasdoing, because it used to be an indian school.
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It was called the Teller Institute or theGrand Junction Indian School, and that was
from 1890.
Come on, 90 something.
Till it closed in 1911.
It was one of the smaller ones.
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But there are so far, I have a list of 37verified where I have found obituaries that
say they were buried at the school cemetery.
I have others that don't mention the school
cemetery, but 37 that mention it, and nocemetery was ever registered at that school.
Speaker A (01:19:56):
Yeah.
Speaker B (01:19:56):
Now, it used to be a home for.
It was called the Grand Junction Regional
center, and it was a home for people thatcouldn't live on their own, that needed a
little extra help.
And such.
That has such since closed down.
And I guess the governor had signed something
saying that it was going to be sold, eventhough the land, it states in perpetuity that
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the land can't be sold, that it should go backto the tribes because it was ute land.
Speaker A (01:20:32):
Right.
Speaker B (01:20:33):
Well, all of the cell and everything has been put off because of the
Cemetery.
There are witnesses that very few, none of
them are still alive.
I think we lost the last one a couple of years
ago.
But people in interviews have said, I went to
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services at the cemetery on ground.
I watched them bury my friend on grounds, and
I've been very interested in it.
And people are like, well, why?
Because I'm not indigenous.
And I was like, these are kids.
They were taken from what they known.
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They were stripped of everything, if you will
forgive the term whitewashed.
Made to believe what the white man believed,
made to dress that way, made to look that way,speak that way.
And being a foster parent, it really touchesme that these kids weren't given the justice
of a headstone.
Speaker A (01:21:35):
Yeah.
Speaker B (01:21:36):
I mean, horrible things happened at know all the indian schools across the United
States, especially the ones in Canada, thatwe've heard the most.
You know, the local governments, the federalgovernments, are so slow at reparations of
finding the graves and returning them to theirtribes.
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It's like, let's send them home.
Speaker A (01:22:03):
Right.
Speaker B (01:22:04):
Let's do right just by these kids and show them that we're human.
Speaker A (01:22:09):
Right.
Speaker B (01:22:10):
And so I've been researching this for many years.
Not allowed on property.
Yes.
When it was still active, I went out by anempty building.
Shouldn't have been caused a lockdown, avoidedarrest or anything, thankfully.
But hopefully one day they will allow peopleto go out there, and I would love to do an
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investigation out there.
I may not get anything.
I may just get eaten by mosquitoes, but it'dbe worth every mosquito bite just to go out
there and say, hey, I tried.
Yeah, I'm not a psychic medium.
Anything sensitive or anything.
I want these kids to be able to go home and to
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be recognized as, hey, we did wrong by you.
Speaker A (01:23:03):
Absolutely.
That makes total sense.
So, Lynn, I could talk to you for hours.
You're amazing.
I love this.
Let me ask you this.
Anything coming up, anything you guys aredoing, any investigations, anything like that?
Speaker B (01:23:20):
Well, we're hoping to do some starting next weekend.
We were going to last night, and I found outthat I, as guardian of the equipment, didn't
charge everything.
So that was my fault entirely.
So I'm like, great.
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Every camera is dead.
And the boys have talked me into.
Because they saw it on a show.
Speaker A (01:23:50):
Oh, boy.
Speaker B (01:23:51):
Yes. I bought an RC car.
I smothered it with glow in the dark paint
because I'm not going to lose this thing.
It was $20.
I attached an EMF detector on it.
It just lights up and has an antenna and they
want to take that out.
Well, just in case things get too spooky, we
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can send that out.
It's like, dude, if things get too spooky, we
shouldn't be sending anything out there aliveor inanimate.
So, yeah, now we have a little RC car becausethey saw it on a show and thought it was
really cool.
Except that one had a camera and stuff.
Speaker A (01:24:28):
Like.
Speaker B (01:24:29):
No, because if the camera falls off, I'm not searching all night for it.
Speaker A (01:24:33):
Right.
Speaker B (01:24:35):
I pay for the stuff, so.
No, but yeah, we want to take that out and see
if it works.
I have found out that the EMF reader will not
read the car.
So that was my first fear was, oh, my God,
this thing runs on remote control.
What if it reads while I'm trying to drive the
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car or something?It doesn't, thankfully.
Whether that's because my EMF detector is notgood or not, who knows?
But we have a new toy to play.
Nice.
Awesome.
Speaker A (01:25:12):
Well, definitely, we'll check it out.
I have my spooky friends check it out, andwhen this episode drops, I will let you know
so you can tell all your followers andeverything.
And then I definitely would love to have youon the show again sometime so we talk about
more spooky tales you would have.
(01:25:34):
That would be awesome.
So thank you so much.
Speaker B (01:25:37):
Thank you.
I've had a great time and thank you for the
information.
I'm definitely going to be checking these out,
but, yeah, if you ever do episodes or anythingon specific places like the Stanley or Horse
thief canyon here or Glenwood Hotel, I've beento all three and done investigations at all
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three.
The Stanley, I have to say, was not scary in
the least, but as a parent, it really hit mebecause, yeah, it was just a very interesting
experience.
And then Glenwood Hotel, we got stuff that I
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have yet to be able to explain.
And it's been 2016.
That was eight years ago.
And nobody can explain to me what happened,
even though I show them the proof.
Speaker A (01:26:33):
Wow. I would definitely have you on about that because I would love to do that.
So again, we also end every show by we alwayssay, say hi to your ghost.
So, hello, ghost.
Speaker B (01:26:48):
Hello, hope you enjoyed it.
Speaker A (01:26:53):
And then we say, stay spooky.
Speaker B (01:26:57):
Stay spooky and safe.
Speaker A (01:27:01):
Yeah.
Speaker B (01:27:02):
Thank you, John. Bye bye.
It's.
Oh, my spooky friends, this is John, your host of Dairyland frights, the
paranormal podcast that covers everythingspooky, creepy, and mysterious in the midwest.
And I can't believe it.
I'm on a roll.
I have another great spooky guest here with meon the podcast, Lynn, who's a paranormal
investigator from ghouls in the graveyard.
(00:37):
Welcome, Lynn.
Speaker B (00:38):
Thank you.
I'm excited to be here.
Speaker A (00:43):
Thank you so much.
And again, I really love, I've said this many
ways, love having paranormal investigatorsbecause you guys have the greatest stories,
some fun stories, spooky stories that I can'tsleep at night, but that's okay.
I'll take a nap later.
Speaker B (01:01):
Yeah, some of them might make me not sleep at night, too.
Speaker A (01:04):
Absolutely.
So one of the things I always like to start
out is, tell me a little bit about ghouls inthe graveyard.
I mean, what's that about?Are you part of a team?
Are you a leader of a team?What is tools in the ground?
Speaker B (01:20):
I am more the technical advisor, chauffeur, location scout, Wrangler.
I have teenage boys, and they saw me going outon paranormal investigations and were like,
oh, we would love to do this.
Love to do this.
Well, the majority of them are under 18.
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And I was like, no, there we go.
Can't do that.
They were like, oh, well, when can we go out?
And I was like, okay, let's give this a try.
So I took them one at a time with myself out
to a cemetery at night just to see how theywould react.
Because if somebody's going to start crying inthe fetal position, that's a no go.
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That's a no go.
Speaker A (02:06):
That would be me if I saw a ghost.
Speaker B (02:09):
Well, we're not even talking the ghost.
We're talking the parking lot.
Speaker A (02:12):
Parking lot.
Speaker B (02:14):
Yeah. So then after a couple of trials, then we went out to cemeteries during
the day, and they did great.
So then we started going to cemeteries at
night.
And we focus mainly on cemeteries, mainly
because private home investigations.
I don't want my kids in, in case there's
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something there.
I want them to get used to handling the
instruments of how to trust their gut on whatit's like, things like that.
Will we ever do home investigations,businesses, things like that?
I don't know.
Right now, they are very content doing
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cemeteries.
So that's how it got started.
I used to have a team many years ago calledgraveyard duels paranormal, which is no
longer.
They're like, oh, we want to use that.
No, we're not using that.
And they're like, well, we got to do something
like that because that was your team.
(03:19):
And fine.
Okay.
So we all came up with ghouls in the
graveyard, even though I told them,technically they're not graveyards because
graveyards are attached to churches.
Cemeteries are not.
But technicality.
And then they were like, oh, well, we need to
have this and that.
And it was like, guys, we are not Zach bagans
(03:39):
here, okay?Everything that you see on ghost adventures is
not what we're going to do.
And God help me, if you hear somebody step on
a stick in the middle of a cemetery and yell,oh, my God.
It said, kill me.
You'll go, can.
Yeah, you can investigate from the car for.
Speaker A (04:03):
By the way, one of my guests calls Zach Baggins.
Bagel bites.
I don't know why, but I think it's kind of
funny.
Yeah.
Speaker B (04:12):
I call him Frodo Baggins.
Speaker A (04:14):
There you go.
See, we have nicknames for.
I don't know.
I'm kind of on the fence about him.
I liked his earlier stuff.
His later stuff got, like, kind of off the
rails, and I was like, 100% agree.
Speaker B (04:28):
Yeah. His earlier stuff, I see, is more authentic.
But then every time something would getsomewhat scary, eerie, spooky.
He's sending poor Aaron to go do it.
Speaker A (04:40):
Yeah, right.
Speaker B (04:42):
And I've noticed Aaron's weight loss through the seasons.
It's like, oh, my know, what's he putting thispoor man through?
Speaker A (04:50):
Run a few laps and find that ghost.
Speaker B (04:52):
All right.
Speaker A (04:52):
I'll be back later.
So, Lynn, what interested you in the
paranormal?Was it something when you were a child, you
had event or what made you interested in it?
Speaker B (05:06):
I've been interested in it literally my whole life.
I'm 52.
My interest began at about two and a half.
I was in the hospital with rheumatic fever.
And when my mom would have to leave and the
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nurses wouldn't come in at night, a lady wouldcome in and sit in the chair.
My mom would, which was across from my bed,and she would hum to me, and it was very
soothing, and it made me not scared is thebest way that I can put it.
Looking at it through my two and a half yearold eyes then.
And I got better.
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And when it was time to leave, I asked my mom.
I said, I want to say bye to the nurse thatwould come in at night, and she didn't wear a
nurse's uniform.
My parents were in the military, so I was at a
military hospital.
There were no uniforms, no nurses uniforms.
She didn't wear anything like that.
She just wore a plain dress, her hair pulled
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back, and just sat there and would hum as Ifell asleep.
And she did this every night that I was inthere.
I distinctly remember it.
And my mom was like, I don't think there's
anybody here by that thinking maybe it was avolunteer.
We're going to fast forward 30 years.
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Mom and I are doing genealogy, and we come
across some old photos that my grandmotherhad.
And all of a sudden, I see, when I was like,mom, what is that?
And she was like, oh, this?I was like, mom, I know her.
She's the woman in my hospital room.
That's her.
That's her.
And I'm getting all excited, and she turns it
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over.
And it was my fourth or fifth great
grandmother.
A strange little ritual that isn't fun is that
in my family, the firstborn is almost always adaughter, and you're usually the firstborn of
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the firstborn.
And so then you get the name Mary Elle.
I go by Lynn.
My mom goes by Mary.
My grandmother went by Lois.
I could go down the chain.
It's boring.
And we found out that this was the second in
the chain.
Mary Laura.
I saw her.
And I was like, mom, the woman that I told you
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about in my room when I was sick.
That's her.
That's her.
And there's no way I could have met her.
She died many decades before I was born.
Speaker A (07:43):
Wow.
Speaker B (07:44):
And since then, my mom never tried to tell me that it wasn't real.
She was just like, okay, well, what can youtell me?
And I remembered what she would hum to me.
And so I kind of hummed out what I could
remember.
And my mom recorded it, took it to her work,
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and was asking people around.
Now we're a very german defense.
Very german.
And she had a coworker that had come over from
Germany.
He listened to it and said, that's an old
yiddish lullaby.
And my mom's like, what?
And it's like, how would I know that?I've spoken nothing but English.
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When my relatives came over here right beforeWorld War I, they banned the children from
speaking German.
There's evidence that they were jewish, but
they were not allowed to practice that.
They became methodist.
Why?I don't know.
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I guess it's the next step.
So there was no way I should have known this
tune.
But he said that.
Yeah, he knew the tune and actually gave mymom a copy of the song.
And though I'd never heard the words to it,when I was two and a half, the tune was
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exactly the same.
And from then on, I knew that they existed,
and I wanted to know more about them.
I was intrigued.
Why did she come to me?What was it?
What was it that made her say, hey, I got totake care of this kid.
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She's one of mine.
And how many are there out there?
I just wanted to know as much as I possiblycould.
And then in my twenty s, I was in an apartmentthat was slightly haunted.
Now, in my 20s, this was 1990s, so the bestthing I had was a micro cassette recorder.
Speaker A (09:58):
Sure.
Speaker B (09:59):
For those that don't know, it is a tiny little cassette that plays in a really
big recorder that is larger than your phoneand will only record up anywhere between 30 to
60 minutes if you use both sides of the tape.
And so I would put that on, and I'd leave the
apartment, come back, and I'm listening to it,listening to it.
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I can't tell if it was haunted or not, becauseI had neighbors above and below me and to the
sides, traffic would make noises.
But something on.
I had one, and somewhere I have the tape whereit said, well, hello there.
Speaker A (10:38):
Okay.
Speaker B (10:39):
Very distinctly, it sounded.
Even on tape, sounded separate from the
background noises.
And that was the only thing I ever got.
The only thing I ever knew was to try andrecord.
I didn't get into real paranormalinvestigating until about 20 years ago, when
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EMF detectors started coming out.
Mail meters, things like that.
Things that would let me know that, okay,there's some sort of anomaly here.
What's it caused by?
Speaker A (11:16):
Yeah, that is awesome experience.
I know.
Like, again, some of my other guests have saidthey've had experiences when they're a little
kid.
One woman told me she saw an older man walk
right through her bedroom wall and sit down ina rocking chair and rocking and just watching
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her.
And she wasn't scared.
She said she was like, that's kind ofinteresting.
But then when she told her dad and her momnext day, they got rid of the rocking chair,
they immediately got rid of it because theywere like, okay.
And then she was asking his little girl, andthey were like, saying, whatever.
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It wasn't until she was, like, 18, till theysaid, okay, this house is haunted.
There's a bunch of spirits.
What you saw was true.
And all the stories we told you were not toscare that so you wouldn't be scared the ****
out of a little girl sitting there, seeingstuff in her closet, seeing stuff walk to the
wall, seeing chairs moving, sinks turning on.
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So she had a very vivid experiences.
Speaker B (12:29):
Oh, yeah.
Speaker A (12:30):
But she grew up with that.
Dissimilar to you, finding out this great
mystery.
And she wanted to know more.
Right.
Which I'm guessing that's part of the reason
you did doing this, like everyone?
Speaker B (12:41):
Oh, absolutely.
Yeah. I wanted to know what's going on.
This person who I know died.
How did she come to me when I was two and a
half?Did she do it for a reason?
Was there because the scariest thing was beingin the hospital room by myself.
Speaker A (13:01):
Yeah.
Speaker B (13:02):
And she comforted me just by humming this simple tune.
She never spoke to me.
Evidence is that at the time, she did not know
English.
And from my memory, she looked as tangible as
any person.
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And if I would start to feel uncomfortable or
know, I remember the humming getting louder.
And it did.
It covered me.
And I would fall asleep.
Speaker A (13:37):
Yeah. See, I love stories like that, Lynn, because most of the stories that
people want to hear are the ones that theshadow person pushed you down the steps or the
person grabbed you or pulled you.
Right.
And it's nice to hear stories that someone wasthere for you in your time of need when you
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were scared.
You're a child.
You're going through this traumatic event,and, hey, there's my great, great whatever
grandma saying.
It's going to be okay.
You're going to get through this.
And this is my way of helping you.
And I love stories like that.
Speaker B (14:14):
Yeah. And I give a lot of credit to my mom.
I'm sure that in her mom way, as I would withmy kids now, make sure that I wasn't scared.
But she never told me that.
Oh, it was a figment of your imagination.
It was nobody.
Oh, I'm sure it was somebody on staff.
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She never tried to dissuade me that I didn'tsee and hear this.
That definitely I did.
And then in my 30s is when I freaked out, when
I found out, oh, my God, this is a relativefrom the old country that I never could have
met, but that was the woman.
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And to find out that that woman, mary Laura,
she is not only an ancestor of mine, but sheworked as a nurse.
Speaker A (15:08):
Oh, wow.
That kind of makes sense.
She was there.
I just fascinated.
I'm not a big hospital person.
Yeah, same with me.
My wife will be like when I have to visitcertain people in the hospital, she'll be
like, okay, you go into hospital.
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I don't know, maybe it's because of my
paranormal, but I'm not saying I'm sensitiveor anything, far from it.
But every time I go into hospital, I feeldread and I feel sadness and I feel.
Just don't like it.
I'm just in there for a little bit and was
like, okay, I got to get out.
I'm the same way with retirement homes.
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When my mom was in a retirement home and I govisit her, and I was just like, man, just
death everywhere.
You know what I mean?
Speaker B (16:04):
Yeah.
Speaker A (16:06):
So it had been nice if I had someone humming to me.
Speaker B (16:10):
Well, my dad, just a month ago, had open heart surgery, and he's 78, so this was a
risky procedure, and my mom and I knew it, andwe stayed there and everything.
And everything went beautifully.
He's doing absolutely fine.
He's healing faster than expected.
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His surgeon is thrilled.
His cardiologist is thrilled.
We're thrilled.
And the day we were taking him home, we gotoff the elevator, we're walking the maze of
hallways, and all of a sudden, I just lookedat my mom.
I said, mom, I need a minute in the bathroom.
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And she was like, are you okay?
He's like, I don't know, but I'm not okay.
I need just a minute.
And I went in the bathroom, and I was keepingmyself from crying.
I'm like, what the hell is going on?Dad's going home.
This is not the time to be crying.
Speaker A (17:07):
Yeah, sure.
Speaker B (17:08):
So I pulled myself together, and we got my dad, and on the way out, there were a
bunch of people we didn't know.
The ICU is on the same floor as the cardiac
floor.
Not cool.
And there are a bunch of families, peoplehugging each other.
The mood was just very somber.
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And mom's like, oh, God, I wonder what
happened?And I said, I don't know, but I have the
feeling that they didn't make it.
Now, I had no way of knowing this.
No way.
And weeks later, I'm playing around on
Facebook, as one does, and found out that alocal skateboarder had died the day and the
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hour that we were taking my dad home from thehospital.
Speaker A (17:58):
Oh, wow.
Yeah.
Speaker B (18:00):
And of course, my first thought was, oh, my God, those poor people.
Why didn't I have an EMF reader with me?Totally inappropriate thought.
Totally inappropriate thought.
Speaker A (18:12):
Yeah, I get checked.
Speaker B (18:15):
Well, my dad was in the hospital for about a week after surgery, and he's like,
oh, you should bring some of your equipmentdown.
I said, well, would you be okay with that?Now, my dad does not like talking about
ghosts.
Complete opposite of my mom.
Doesn't like talking about them because heassociates them with death and, no, don't like
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talking about that.
And I was like, well, if you're okay.
No, I'm not okay with it.
You're not hunting ghosts in my room.
He says this.
The doctor walks in, and the doctor is just
kind of smiling, like, do we think that yourroom's haunted, Mr. Moore?
And I'm like, oh, I'm not explaining this.
(18:59):
No, not explaining this.
I just sit there quietly, like, go for it,dad.
We'll see what happens.
Yeah.
My mom and I had actually gotten into theelevator to visit him one day, and somebody
was going to the basement.
Well, everyone knows what's on the basement
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floor of hospitals.
The morgue.
And my mom was like, if we could get somebodyto take us down there, we could do this while
your dad's sleeping.
I was like, mom, this is not appropriate.
We're here to see dad.
Then I was like, do you think we could.
I think that that's one of the hazards ofinvestigating the paranormal, is it never
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leaves you.
You're at a hospital visiting a sick one
that's recovering from surgery, and you think,how do I get to the morgue?
How do I get one of those little keys?Yeah.
Speaker A (19:58):
So speaking of them, speaking of morgues, which are very spooky, tell me about
Lynn.
A time where you had a really creepy, spooky,
or just unusual investigation.
I would love to hear that.
Speaker B (20:15):
I was investigating with.
I also belonged to an adult team, and we were
investigating a private residence.
They were moving, so the house was mostly
empty, had a few things, but not much.
And they said that things kept moving.
They kept hearing things.
They swore they heard voices, stuff like that.
(20:37):
So we went and said, okay, let's go find thebad wiring.
Because until we can prove it, it's some otherexplanation.
It has to be proven to us that it isparanormal.
Speaker A (20:51):
Right?
Speaker B (20:52):
And we're going through, and it's two of us, the team lead, my friend and
myself.
And we all happen to be in the same bedroom at
us.
Seriously, all of a sudden, we just look at
each other and we're like, we're getting thehell out of here.
We run downstairs, we grab whose ever stuff.
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We didn't care whose it was.
We threw it in our cars.
We're over by our cars now.
And now we are debating, like, five year oldswho's going to go and lock the door, because
we didn't lock it on the way out.
Yeah.
So all three go lock the door, go back to ourcars, go several blocks down the road, sort
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out the stuff.
And then we looked at each other, and it's
like, what happened?We weren't feeding off of each other because
we all had this sense of absolute terror atthe same time.
And I can say it's probably one of the veryfew times in my life I felt absolute terror.
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And it came from inside.
Speaker A (22:01):
Yeah, hang on a second, Lynn.
Terror when you mean that something was in the
room with you?There was just a feeling.
Speaker B (22:15):
It's like it came from inside.
It came from inside.
Each one of us at the same time.
All three of us were just scared out of our
wits.
We did not see anything.
We did not hear anything.
We reviewed footage.
There was nothing there.
We reviewed audio.
Nothing there.
Nothing was going off.
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Just all of a sudden, it was like somebody wasscaring the hell out of us to get us out of
that house.
And interestingly, who was it?
Was it Kim?I think it was either Kim or myself.
I don't remember which one turned back andjust started clicking pictures of the house.
Speaker A (22:55):
Sure.
Speaker B (22:55):
When we looked back at those, there was something in the room.
We were in an upstairs bedroom.
In the window of the upstairs bedroom, there
is a shaped, faceless figure that's, like,looking out at us from the windows.
And it's at night.
It's at night.
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The street lights weren't in the way.
We were able to say, okay, that's not a
reflection, because the tallest one of us isfive five, and that's not me.
Nobody was in the house that we could see.
Nobody was projecting anything.
It was coming from the house, and it wasdarker than the dark of the house.
Speaker A (23:41):
Wow. Go ahead.
Speaker B (23:47):
We have no idea what it was, but whatever it was wanted us out of the house and
was able to incite in us just this absolutefear and terror that got us out of the house
really quick.
Speaker A (23:59):
Yeah. Had you done any research before or after?
Was there a murder in the house?Was there.
I don't know, maybe someone who used to beattheir kids or torture their kids.
You know what I mean?Something that you think would bring that up?
Speaker B (24:18):
Well, we found out through research that it's on a possible ute burial ground.
All of grand junction, Colorado, used to bewhere the utes were.
And in this area, it was proposed that theremay have been a burial ground.
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The house, at the time we investigated, wasrented, but we found out that of the previous
owners, and the house was built in the early60s, that at least ten of the owners had died
that we could find.
Six of them actually died in residence.
(25:02):
Wow.
We could find no other information on them.
The obituaries were very plain, which wasinteresting because usually family will put
the father of our children gained his wings.
No, it was just name, birth date, death date,
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died, and they all didn't die of the samething that we could find.
It was just very weird, very unusual.
Speaker A (25:37):
Yeah, that is unusual.
Speaking of that, have you ever had an
investigation on it?Kind of sounds, like similar to this, but
maybe you got sick.
Maybe you had to, like, because I know some
paranormal investigators where they're like,man, my stomach is really hurting, or I'm
having trouble breathing or something.
(25:57):
Then I got to go out.
Come on.
Speaker B (26:02):
I get headaches and stomach aches especially.
Well, it'll also happen around a lot of highEMF.
We were doing a business locally, which Ican't name, but we didn't know that they had a
computer room, and we're getting closer to thecenter of it, and I'm like, oh, man, my head
(26:25):
is killing me.
A couple of people were feeling tingles on
their skin, and my headache progressed towhere I was like, I'm going to get sick.
I need to step out.
I'd step out a few seconds later, I'm fine.
I'd go back to where the team was around thatarea, and I'm getting sick again.
(26:45):
And it's like, what is going on?Come to find out that it was a huge computer
room with, like, a miniature mainframe in itand all, like, this sort of stuff setting off
all sorts.
I mean, EMF was ridiculous.
You couldn't take a reading using a k twobecause it would go to red all the time.
Mail meters were spiking.
(27:08):
We just decided, okay, we got to get out of
here.
Because the longer we stayed in, the more it
was affecting people to the point where Ithink almost all of us at some point were
affected.
Speaker A (27:19):
Sure. That's crazy, too.
Speaker B (27:26):
Yeah. So high EMF and computer around, a lot of known electricity can give me
headaches.
But it's also happened when there haven't been
that.
We were at Crown Point Cemetery, and I started
getting that.
I call it the EMF headache.
(27:46):
And I was like, okay, what is going on?There's one light, and it's solar powered.
And I was not standing near it.
It was already close to winter, so the
sprinkler system was off.
I'm like, what is going on?
And I'm just not feeling well.
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And a couple of other people weren't.
Some were fine.
And I was like, I don't know what's going on.
So then I just start snapping pictureswillynilly, regular camera flash on, just to
do something so I can go home because I'm notfeeling good.
And that's when we actually got a picture of afull apparition with a cowboy hat on, tilted
(28:37):
down, leaning up against a tree with his leglike bent.
Like he was just standing there resting.
Speaker A (28:46):
Sure.
Speaker B (28:46):
I mean, you can distinguish arms, vest, shirt, hat, boots.
You can distinguish the entire thing.
And none of us saw this.
We did not see this with our eyes.
I've gone back on my own.
(29:08):
I've gone back with other people, same camera,and tried to recreate it.
There's nothing around that tree to recreatethat.
It wasn't a shadow because it was muchlighter.
It was a translucent white.
There was no fog.
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Nothing that we could distinguish that couldhave created that with that sort of detail.
Speaker A (29:35):
Sure.
Speaker B (29:37):
Okay. Wow. Yeah.
Speaker A (29:40):
That's amazing.
That's just interesting.
That just happens a certain time.
I always say this many times when paranormal
investigators have been on the show.
And because you could be at a place, right.
For hours, nothing happens.
Nothing.
And then you go in and maybe in the first tenminutes, bam.
(30:03):
Right.
All they gave.
Speaker B (30:04):
Yeah.
Speaker A (30:04):
So it's not like, would you sit with Zach Baggins out there?
Who's like, I went in and all this crazy stuffhappened.
Speaker B (30:12):
Oh, my God. It said, it's going to kill me.
Speaker A (30:14):
Yeah, right.
You could be there for.
Well, with him.
He has the budget to be there for days, but
you could be there for hours.
You could go back a couple of times and
nothing.
And then you're like, I don't know what to
tell you.
Speaker B (30:28):
Yeah. It happened this one time.
We cannot physically recreate this.
And we had been investigating.
We were there for maybe 3 hours.
And it wasn't until the latter half theinvestigation where I started getting the
headache.
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And that's when I just started snapping
pictures all over the place.
Just, okay.
I got to document it.
And it wasn't my first time there.
It wasn't my last.
I don't know why it showed up, but it is a
cowboy, approximately six to six two, slenderbuild.
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No way to determine age, but he's got hiscowboy hat tilted down and he's just kind of
resting and.
History of the area.
That cemetery used to be part of a hugehomestead.
And then it traded hands as people came andwent.
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And then it was donated to the city.
The city has part of it as a cemetery, veteran
cemetery.
And part of it is not used whatsoever.
It's empty lot.
I guess that way they can expand if need be.
It's way out there.
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There are very few homes within, I'm going to
say maybe 10 miles of the cemetery.
It was really weird to capture that because we
were like, where did this come from?And it's in one picture.
Speaker A (32:11):
Wow. That's amazing.
So let me ask you this, Lynn.
Have you ever had a spirit attached toyourself or anyone on the team?
Like, take a spirit home?
Speaker B (32:24):
I'm going to say for myself, yes, I can't speak for the others.
No one's really said anything other than, didanything creepy happen to you?
Then it's like, no, it must just be me.
I came home from an investigation,
incidentally, at the same house where we hadour souls scared out of our bodies.
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We investigated that house three times.
It was the second time that we got run out of
the house.
The first time I came home, we didn't get a
whole lot.
We thought we heard a guttural growl from the
basement.
But I wasn't the one holding the recorder.
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The person that was holding the recorder thathad been next to me ran.
Speaker A (33:15):
So would I. Yeah.
Speaker B (33:18):
So you don't hear it really? Well, for some reason, I stood there.
I don't know why.
Not sure that that's bravery or stupidity, but
we were there and, oh, shoot, I forgot what Iwas saying.
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I came home after the investigation.
Nothing special had happened.
And I usually always carry salt, sage, andmoon water on me or blessed water.
I am a practicing witch.
This one time, I did not sage the car or
myself.
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I just came home.
It was about 02:00 a.m. I was tired, and Icome in and I'm starting to listen to my
recorders immediately.
And all of a sudden my wife's, like, flagging
me down, and I'm like, what?She goes, what's on in your backpack?
It's like, nothing.
I left most of my equipment in the car.
(34:24):
The only thing that's in here is the babymonitor.
It was multiple floor house, so we had a babymonitor so we could tell where everybody was.
We could hear them.
I said, it has to be plugged in.
So I take my earbuds out.
I'm hearing this from my backpack, and I pull
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out the baby monitors.
I put them on the floor.
They're going off.
It's the static noise.
They are going off.
Very professional like.
I throw them out the front door, grab my sageand salt, douse them.
(35:10):
But the thing is that there were no batteriesin them.
They are only run off of electricity throughan ac plugin.
Speaker A (35:18):
Sure.
Speaker B (35:19):
Now, this baby monitor set had been used with my grandmother as she got older.
And when she passed away, when my wife andmyself and my family went to go take care of
whatever we needed to and just say ourgoodbyes.
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My aunt who lived with my grandma said, Idon't have any use for this.
Baby monitors.
Do you want this?
And I had kids at the time, and I was like,sure, you know, maybe we can use it around the
house.
Never used it around the house.
Used it that one time on an investigation.
Because it's like, we need to know where
people are going to be.
Speaker A (36:00):
Sure.
Speaker B (36:01):
And, son of a gun, that thing didn't start going off with no in my hands, no
electricity, no batteries in it.
After I saged and sold it and left it outside
overnight, I checked the battery compartments.
No batteries, no nothing.
And I turned to my wife and I said, now youheard this?
(36:24):
She was like, yes, I heard that.
She's like, what are you doing?
She goes, you don't bring them home.
You leave them there.
Did you tell them they can't come with you?It's like, well, yeah, generally we always do.
And she was like, did you sage?Afterward, I was like, well, no, I was tired.
I wanted to come home.
She was like, you are a witch.
You're going to sage, **** it.
Speaker A (36:46):
Right?
Speaker B (36:47):
Come on.
From then on, I'm not allowed in the house
unless I have saged myself, the car, and myequipment.
Speaker A (36:57):
So back for a second.
I've had witches on my podcast here.
So what kind of witch are you?Do you distinguish yourself with any category
or generality of eclectic?
Speaker B (37:13):
If it feels right to me, I do it.
Speaker A (37:16):
Okay.
Speaker B (37:20):
I don't follow any prescribed way, such as wiccan.
I practice by myself and I pick up things hereand there.
Like last night, I had a bunch of stuff in ourbathroom windowsill because of the full moon.
To cleanse it.
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I carry stones on me constantly, which I feel
with intent.
I don't do spells as much anymore just because
as the kids have gotten older, you can getinterrupted.
And nothing says, this is going to backfire onyour ***.
(38:05):
Then when you're doing a spell, you have tostop and say, would you two stop that?
And then you go back.
You can't just.
No, I don't want to even know what wouldhappen.
In that case.
Yeah, absolutely.
Yeah.
I observe the equinox Sabbath.
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I just love to be out in nature.
Usually if I've had a really tough day or a
couple of days or like after my dad wasfinally home, I told my mom, hey, I'm going to
take off for a couple hours.
I'll be right back.
And she's like, okay.
I went to the cemetery and just relaxed.
The cemeteries have always been my relaxingplace my mom took me, starting when I was,
(38:51):
like, five years old.
We lived in Texas at the time.
Not my fault.
And we would go to a cemetery and have
picnics.
I never knew that they were supposed to be
scary.
Speaker A (39:04):
Oh, okay.
Speaker B (39:06):
Yeah. When people say, oh, those places are so scary to me.
It's like, why?
Speaker A (39:12):
Yeah.
Speaker B (39:13):
And that's what I try and teach the boys, is that this is not a scary place.
This can be a very restful, peaceful place.
But would you want someone coming into your
home and being disrespectful to you?Well, no. Then you don't go there, and you're
not disrespectful to them.
This is their home.
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This is where they rest.
If all of a sudden we get a feeling, or
anybody gets a feeling of, I don't really wantto be here, I need to go, we leave because if
they're telling one of us, then all of usshould get the message correct.
You treat them with respect when we go in.
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I've taught the boys that we go in, we
introduce ourselves, we tell them that whatour intention is, whether it's to investigate
or just to hang out or.
I take grave rubbing sometimes, and I do ask
them if I may take a rubbing of their graves.
And I've had a crayon break on me.
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It's like, okay, not that one.
And I go somewhere else.
It's just about respect.
Respect for them and for us.
And when we go to a cemetery, I always referto the people that are there as residents.
Oh, that's interesting because that's wherethey reside.
Speaker A (40:39):
Yeah.
Speaker B (40:40):
So it's like you don't want anybody coming into our house and being nasty and
mean.
Guess what?
Same thing.
Speaker A (40:48):
Yeah.
Speaker B (40:49):
They have taken to that very well.
Speaker A (40:52):
Yeah. I think that is some great takeaways because there are paranormal
investigators out there who may not followwhat you're doing and going through.
One of my recent guests, she loves cemeteries,too.
She's a young woman and she takes pictures.
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And she has a really good artistic eye, I
should say, for it.
Speaker B (41:20):
Oh, wow.
Speaker A (41:21):
I think it's amazing because I think people, again, it's Hollywood, right?
It's Hollywood.
It was the spooky grave.
Oh, no, that's fine.
This fog coming through the graves and the
rain, you get that to your head, you say,creepy.
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Well, that's Hollywood.
It's a sunshiny day and you walk it.
That isn't cell.
In movies.
What?Cells is creepy.
Spooky, evil, scary.
Speaker B (41:58):
Yeah. Bad.
Speaker A (42:00):
And going into there is not a good idea.
You should.
Whatever.
And if you do that, and all the folklore, too,that still people are here, too, you need to
step this way over a grave, and you need toenter this way.
Do you believe in any of that folklore whenyou enter a cemetery?
Speaker B (42:28):
No, I go in the entrance and leave through the exits.
I don't feel that you have to walk backward inorder so they don't follow you or can't jump
into your body.
I don't prescribe to any of that.
And I feel that they have much better thingsto do than to try to attach to myself, because
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they'd come home with me and they'd be like, Ididn't know there were five teenagers here.
I'm out.
Best ghost deterrent ever.
Or, how would I know my home is haunted?I'd be like, who left the milk out when I know
it wasn't the ghost?Come on, guys.
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Yeah, none of that.
No. If there is a folklore for it, and I don't
know that there is, I go in, I say hello,introduce myself in some of the smaller ones,
if I notice that there are new residents, andI go over and I introduce myself again to them
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and let them know that, yes, I've been heremany times.
My intentions are good.
I'm just here to either relax or gather
information about their stories that they'dlike to tell us.
We'd love to hear them, let them know how theyknow, try to communicate with us.
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And then when we leave, we just say goodbyeand thank them for anything that they may have
given us.
And that's it.
Speaker A (44:02):
Yeah, I love that, Lyn.
That is some great advice for people out
there, whether it be paranormal investigators,whether you maybe love the paranormal, and
you're going into a cemetery or graveyard, andyou're trying to be very respectful and treat
these people like it's your house.
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Like you said, you don't want anybody busted
in your living room and being like, hey, startthrowing **** around and.
Speaker B (44:32):
Be like, what do you really? I don't want someone coming into my house and
saying, hey, what are you going to do aboutit?
No, and I'm not going to go into their areaand do that.
I do not allow my kids to provoke.
If one of them starts to get on the edge, I'm
like, no, we don't do that.
And you need to apologize for it, because that
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was edging on, disrespectful, and I'm sorry.
It's like, okay, and don't do it again.
That's the best way.
You show that you are sorry and won't do that.
And that's just the rules that I followbecause I see that, yeah, they may not have a
corporeal body, but that doesn't mean thatthey're any different than you or I. They
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still have feelings.
Their feelings may be much more intense since
they aren't bothered with, oh, I've got anitch on my arm or, oh, my hair looks bad
today.
And I just try to treat them with respect, I
think.
Which is also why I've never had a bad
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experience in a cemetery, other than theheadache.
And I'm not sure that was bad.
Speaker A (45:41):
Sure.
Speaker B (45:42):
I think that was like a side effect.
If they're trying to manifest and somebody issensitive to high EMF, I don't think that's
their fault.
So it's just one of those things.
But I have quit teams before because theywould go in there like Zach Bagan's and what
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are you going to do?Coming at us and stuff?
And it's like, oh, no, I'm out.
No, not my bag of tea.
However, somebody wants to investigate, that'show they want to investigate.
It's not right or wrong.
This is the way I do it.
And I consider it my prerogative whether ornot I want to be with people that will
provoke, be nasty, be disrespectful, or peoplethat.
Speaker A (46:36):
Yeah.
Speaker B (46:37):
And I prefer to be with those that are.
Speaker A (46:39):
I totally, totally agree with you.
So thank you for all that.
I love it.
I thought it'd be fun, Lynn, to share.
Since this is Midwest and everything, I wantedto share with you some of the most haunted
cemeteries in each of these states.
And then if you have something you want to
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add, if you would like to add like one in yourstate or whatever, or just one that you're
like, hey, I went to this one.
Put that on the list.
It's not really a list.
It just kind of gives you a good idea of what
it is.
Speaker B (47:14):
Pen and paper ready.
Speaker A (47:18):
So, like I said, this is the midwest, and these are the top creepiest
cemeteries according to Dairyland fright.
So let's start in my home state of wisconsin.
Okay.
This is one of my favorite stories.
I love this one.
And you definitely should check it out if you
have an opportunity.
So the Wisconsin riverside cemetery, it's in
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Appleton, Wisconsin, is one of the most famousparanormal spots in the state because there is
a grave there.
Kate blood.
That is her actual name.
As an automated name, that is her actual name.
Speaker B (47:57):
Oh, that's cool.
Speaker A (47:58):
Cemetery.
And you'll love this, Lynn.
You'll love this.
I guarantee you.
Love.
Legend says that on the full moon, the grave
will drip blood.
So on the gravestone, others say that the
stone, like I said, is where they think shewas murdered.
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Now, I'm not going to get into history.
She couldn't have been murdered.
You got to look at the dates.
It's like, whatever.
They also thought she was a witch.
They also thought she was practicing black
magic as a witch.
And all this really, this is from the 18
hundreds, by the way?
Speaker B (48:39):
Yes.
Speaker A (48:40):
Okay. And the cemetery, which is when you walk into Lynn to let you know, Kate
blood's tombstone, or headstone or whateveryou want to call it, marker, is not in the
actual cemetery.
It is apart from it.
So when you walk in, let's say you would gothere someday and you'd be like, hey, John,
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how about a wild goose chase?What the hell is John trying to do to me?
And then you'll look out and you'll see thissolitary headstone.
Well, actually it's a really nice one.
Look at some pictures of it.
Really well done.
Anyway, so you walk in there and you will see
cape blood, 18 whatever to 18 whatever.
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And like I said, people will go there on a
full moon.
And when you supposedly look at it, like I
said, blood will start dripping down from hertombstone.
Or grayfield.
We did episode 19, if you want to check it
out.
We did that.
And I just think that is crazy.
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Have you ever heard of anything like that on a
certain time and day or whatever, that thetombstone, headstone, whatever you want to
call it, starts bleeding or whatever?
Speaker B (50:02):
Haven't heard of bleeding.
That's a new one to me.
I've heard of the ghost lights in a town herein Colorado where in the winter, allegedly by
the full moon, that these ghost lights willappear.
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Well, I looked at a picture of it onlineduring the day, and there are solar lights, so
I'm a little less interested now.
But I have not heard of blood.
I've heard of screams, full body apparitions,of different things happening.
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But blood's a new one.
Speaker A (50:48):
Yeah. There you go.
There you go.
Let's move on to the next one.
Believe it or not.
Brazil, Indiana.
There's a cemetery called the 100 step
cemetery.
And I discovered this one.
And what you're supposed to do, Lynn, isyou're supposed.
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So what's really weird is you go up to thecemetery, and there's steps leading into the
cemetery up the hill.
Now, what you must do is you must do this at
midnight.
And it's fairly simple.
You go at midnight under a moonless sky.
No phone.
Speaker B (51:28):
New moon.
Speaker A (51:29):
Yeah. And must ascend the steps, counting as he or she goes.
One should count 100 steps by the time youhave reached the summit.
Then you're going to see an apparition appearto you.
If you, which me and my other guests werejoking, if you try to walk it up backwards or
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you try to skip the steps, you know what Imean?
Like you're being right.
You're just like La La and stuff, and you
don't count or whatever.
Well, what happens is you get up to, up to
there and there is an old caretaker and whatthey'll do is they will touch you and when
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they touch you, you will see how you will die.
Now you don't.
Speaker B (52:25):
Oh, that's creepy.
Speaker A (52:26):
You're not going to see when you're going to die, what time, blah, blah, blah.
No, you just see your death.
Like, you will have your death.
So whatever that is.
Right.
The other thing too, is I thought was reallyinteresting, is let's say this is the other
thing I thought was kind of weird.
So let's say you do everything right, okay.
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And you get up there, supposedly you'resupposed to still see this old caretaker, and
I guess you're okay, which doesn't make senseto me, but okay.
But going down the steps, you must count 100steps going down.
If you do not do that correctly, you will.
What they say, oh, you're going to die soon.
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They don't tell you when.
They don't tell you how you're just going to
die.
Speaker B (53:16):
We don't know when.
We don't know where.
You will die.
Speaker A (53:20):
Yeah, you're just going to die.
I don't know why, but here's the other thing
that I thought was now.
Speaker B (53:29):
Is the caretaker alive or dead? That's touching you.
Speaker A (53:33):
Well, they're like an apparition.
Speaker B (53:35):
Okay, I was going to say alive, that's assault.
Speaker A (53:42):
No, that's an apparition.
He's the first caretaker that ever was at a
cemetery.
By the way, if you're interested in civil war,
this used to be an old civil war cemetery.
So a lot of civil war soldiers, generals,
whatever, are buried.
Take a look at it.
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It's online.
You can look at the steps.
It's now concrete.
They used to be wood and then they started to
deteriorate and, oh, by the way, if you wouldever go there, Lynn, you have to talk to the
local police and say you're doing aninvestigation because this is permission.
Yeah, it closes at six.
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I don't know why?
Speaker B (54:26):
We have one here that the city took over after private ownership.
And I thought that 08:00 during the summer,it's the light out would be fine.
I get there, the gates are closed, and it'slike, I don't need to visit the jail.
No. So then I found the caretaker, and he waslike, yeah, they closed now at 06:00 five on
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Sundays or, no, they're closed now on Sundays.
And I was like, what if someone wants to do a
service?Well, we'll open if there's a service.
But yeah, they are closed on Sundays.
And I was like, thanks a lot, guys.
Speaker A (55:03):
Yeah, I know you go on YouTube, Lyn.
There's been a ton investigations.
So it's not like you can't do this.
You just got to talk to somebody and justsaying, hey, I'm going to do investigation.
But here's the thing.
This is super funny to me, and maybe it
shouldn't be.
So let's say you're just being really, I don't
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know, maybe you're drunk or something.
You want to have a little fun.
If you try running up the hill without goingon the stairs at all, what happens to you is
when you get to the top, some force pushes youand you fall all the way down the hill.
And then the next day, when you take off yourshirt, there's supposed to be a handprint,
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which they believe is the devil pushing youdown the hill.
It's a deep red handprint will appear on yourback.
Deep red handprint will appear on your back,Lynn, for several days.
So, in other words, don't be disrespectfullike we talked about.
Speaker B (56:16):
Is the force that's pushing you down named Jim Beam or Jack Daniels?
Jose Cuevo, maybe.
Speaker A (56:25):
Yeah, sure.
Speaker B (56:27):
Oh, wow.
Speaker A (56:28):
Yeah. So there's a lot of things going on in this cemetery, which I thought was
really interesting.
So let's move on to the next one.
That's in Michigan.
And this one is ganang.
G-A-N-O-N-G.
Cemetery.
And these are so weird towns.
Live inkster, Michigan.
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Inkster.
I-N-K-S-T-E-R.
So visitors to this site claim to have spottedglowing eyes, eerie mist, and unexplained orbs
around the graveyard.
Drivers.
This is scary.
So, drivers pass the graveyard.
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There must be a road.
I was looking it up on Google maps.
So there's a road near the graveyard.
Have reported seeing a ghostly white figure
run out in front of their cars, causing caraccidents in front of the graveyard.
Speaker B (57:26):
Oh, wow.
Speaker A (57:27):
Numerous people have said, and they don't say what?
It's a little boy, a little girl.
It's a man, it's a woman.
But I was reading one account, but I don'tknow what to believe, because some people kind
of take it on their own to be a little more.
Whatever.
And this one guy was driving past, and all ofa sudden, he sees, like, this figure running
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in front of his car, and he thinks ofteenagers because it was, like, around
Halloween, he thinks it's teenagers.
So the guy swears every other word, and he
swerves, and he goes into the ditch, and he'slike, **** it.
What the hell?So he calls the cops because he's got to get
out of the ditch.
He might have damaged his car, whatever.
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Cops come out there, and they're asked, you,well, what happened?
And he's like, well, I don't know.
Somebody ran from my **** car, almost hit him.
And the cops know about the cemetery, andthey're like, oh, okay.
You all right?And I'm fine.
Well, we'll get this taken care of for you,but just remember, best not to drive past the
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cemetery at night anymore.
Speaker B (58:34):
Yeah, that's a day trip.
Definitely.
Speaker A (58:38):
Yeah. I'm not really sure if this happens all the time and who's the ghost or
whatever, but it's pretty crazy.
And a lot of orbs people have seen, like, and
I don't want to be like, hollywood sounds likea Hollywood horror movie, but people have
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said, like, they'll just be sitting, know,just looking around the grave.
So, like, know, seeing fine, and all of asudden, a mist will just come in just out of
nowhere, and it can be in the middle of theday.
People have said that.
One guy said, oh, I like to go out there and
just relax.
And I have my lunch, and I sit on a bench, and
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I just, whatever.
And then he talks about a mist just comes in,
like someone turned on a fog machine, juststarts coming in.
And he's like, what?And then he felt really frightened, so he
said, all right, cut my lunch short.
I'm out of here.
Other people, they've gone around to this one.
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There's some gravestones.
You'll have to look up that they'll go nearthem, and eerie eyes, like, these eyes will
peer up over the gravestone like a littlecreature, like, looking over and staring at
you.
And most people just run out of there, but the
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most thing is people running in front of thecars and people swerving and barely missing,
whoever that is.
Speaker B (01:00:09):
Wow.
Speaker A (01:00:10):
Yeah. Sounds like a good one.
This is one of my favorite ones.
I don't know if you've ever heard of this one.
This one is in Iowa at the Fairview cemetery,
council bluffs, Iowa.
And they have black angel.
Okay.
Black angel statue.
And is rumored to follow.
The statue is supposed to follow you with its
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eyes.
May even curse you with sickliness.
Lights have been seen there in the treesbehind older graves.
People have reported feeling watched orclosely followed.
By the way, the black angel.
Like you said, if you think you're going to be
funny and say anything bad, you're somethingcrappy happen to you.
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People have said kids goofing around andthey're like, oh, whatever.
And they're touching it and they're being,look, whatever.
And then their friend dies in a car accidentnext week.
Speaker B (01:01:07):
Oh my God.
Speaker A (01:01:08):
You know what I mean? Now whether that's.
Whether that's whatever.
But people have in that area have said if
you're going to go up to her, you basicallysay hello, I hope you're fine, and blah, blah.
You know what I mean?Just very respectful, very nice.
And don't really spend too much time aroundthat.
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It's pretty.
Some crazy stories associated with that.
Speaker B (01:01:34):
Yeah, I've heard some stories.
My grandmother was born and grew up in Iowa.
And she would say, now I have to say, she saidthis later in life.
So we took it with a grain of salt because alittle bit of dementia had set in.
And oftentimes she would think I was my mom.
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But she would tell us about the black angel
that watches.
And it's like, okay, I haven't been to Iowa.
I've been wanting to go, but it was just oneof those.
Okay, so is this grandma actually knowing thisor is this what's going on here?
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That is interesting.
Speaker A (01:02:24):
Yeah. Oh, by the way, same thing with all these cemeteries.
They close at a certain point.
So you got to go to the local authorities or
whoever and caretaker, whoever you go to andbasically say, I'm a paranormal investigator.
And most of them are pretty cool.
So my last one is one of my favorite ones.
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We did episode on this and this is bachelor'sGrove in Midlothian, Illinois.
So what I love about bachelor's grove is thisis a tiny and it's long time been abandoned
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land.
So this is like crazy.
Unfortunately, it's really small.
It doesn't have a hundred plots, but the size
of it is about a one acre area.
The level of paranormal activity in this small
area is crazy.
It is considered one of the world haunted
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cemeteries.
Bachelor Grove isn't one of those places where
there's a single ghost or something.
Munuscule.
Over a dozen different experience weredocumented multiple times, attracting
paranormal investigators from around theglobe.
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That is episode 21, which we did.
So here's the thing.
When they made bachelor's grove, it was forbachelors, guys without wives, right?
Their own little guy camp, as I like to callit.
Well, eventually they were like, okay, I gotto move out of here.
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I can't just be sitting with a bunch of guysin the middle of the woods.
I got to get a wife and a family or whatever Ineed to do, right?
A partner.
But here's the thing that's really sad, Lynn.
They have desecrated many graves.
Teenagers have gone in there.
They have kicked over the graves.
They've demolished the, um.
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If you look at it, super sad.
So a lot of the graves are demolished.
They have been dug up.
They have been.
Everything you could do to desecrate acemetery, this cemetery has been done.
It is, by the way, if you ever do want to goto it, it's near Chicago.
It's near actually, how do I say?Like residences or, like, it's really weird.
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When you look at a Google maps, you'll belike, this is the weirdest thing.
So you literally go into this cemetery, andthe good news, Lynn, is they've tried to fix
it up.
They've tried to keep the kids out.
They've tried to keep other vandals out andstuff.
And they've tried, at the very least, to tryto keep it as is.
(01:05:26):
You can't gravestones that people bashed itand picked over, unfortunately.
But that means everyone has gone there.
Everybody who has gone there with paranormal
experience, like yourself, Lynn, has gottensomething.
EVP pictures being touched, being grabbed,hearing voices, seeing orbs, seeing mists,
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seeing.
I mean, what I would saw is the jackpot of
cemeteries to go there.
Like, no one's ever been disappointed.
Yeah, now there's two ghosts, two famousghosts.
There is a woman who comes out in the usuallymorning hours, about four or five in the
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morning.
So if you can make it to that.
And she sits on a bench next to a baby'sgrave.
People believe that this is the mother of thebaby who lost the baby.
And it's basically there going to keep an eyeon it.
So there are the multitude of people.
People just think it's bachelors.
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It's actually babies, it's actually men,women, children.
There's just this carnival.
Speaker B (01:06:45):
So it may have started out as unmarried men, but then it kind of evolved.
Okay, my question was, okay, woman in abachelor cemetery.
Speaker A (01:06:56):
Yeah. And there's a picture of that online someone took.
Whether you believe it or not, it's totally upto you.
But it's very interesting.
It's a full apparition of a young, looks like
a young woman in a white dress sitting with aveil.
So she's just on the bench and she's juststaring out there.
Also, there's been people who have seenbachelors going around and kind of not really
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scaring people but kind of making it known tolike, hey, leave.
Kind of the gentle nudge if you want to say.
There's also a caretaker there who doesn't
like people at all.
And he will basically, there have been stories
of people like their camera being grabbed,them being pushed, them hearing voices of get
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out, them being number of different physical,actual touching things.
Some people, bruises on their arms, bruises ontheir backs, scratches on their arms.
And they just feeling of like this caretakeris like, hey, get out.
Now.
The other thing is, which is I think
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frightening is there is a pond.
If you walk out of bachelor's grove, there's a
small pond.
I don't know if it's still there, but I
believe it is the small pond where this guyand his horse drowned in the pond, I guess
maybe coming through in the 18 hundreds andmaybe it was mud.
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Was it a pond at this time?I don't know what it was.
And they came through and anyway, the horseand everybody drowned.
He's trying to get the horse out.
He drowned with the horse, basically pulled
him in.
So you will see, people have reported, you
will see an apparition of a horse and a manscreaming and the horse name or whatever it's
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doing it that you tell it's in danger and havepicked up that audio where have seen the
apparition of that.
That does not happen a lot, but people have
seen it and then it just disappears.
Also, supposedly that's part of the flood
area.
So there's like in there.
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So people go, even though they say it's likecrappy runoff water, do not try to wait in it.
Do not try to, I don't know, do anything withit because it's just mud.
You know what I mean?Like something's going to happen.
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And just stepping in at people who have triedare like, no, you got to get me out right away
because I feel like something's pulling meout.
So those are some of them here in the midwest.
Oh, wow, those are fascinating.
Yeah.
Everyone to check them know.
Please do again, take the opportunity to talkto people before you do it.
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If you do, Lynn, I would love to have you backon the show and have you talk about some of
your experiences, whatever one you would try,or maybe go to a different one.
Speaker B (01:10:13):
Yeah. My nephew actually lives and works in Wisconsin, and so when I heard that,
I was like, oh, there's a reason to go see mynephew.
Speaker A (01:10:23):
There you go.
Speaker B (01:10:24):
I'm a horrible person.
No, that wouldn't be why I'd go see him.
I'd go see him because I love him.
This is just a little extra incentive to get
me.
Speaker A (01:10:34):
Absolutely.
Well, you know, before we wrap up the show.
Thank you again.
I loved your stories.
It was awesome.
Speaker B (01:10:42):
Well, if there's one place I can tell you about in Colorado, it's not in Grand
Junction.
It's in Aurora.
It's kind of on the border of Aurora, Denver.
It's third bridge.
Now, I have done a lot of research on this,all the way from the massacre that happened in
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1867.
I may have that wrong.
I'm sorry if I do.
All the way to current, where multiple people
have died at or near the bridge, 99% of themin the month of June.
Why?I don't know, but June seems to be a very bad
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time for that.
Accidents got so bad and frequent, they
actually took.
It was a heel that rolled down and then back
up.
They actually took it, part of it, and shaved
off part of the hill, thinking, okay, maybewhen drivers are coming up, they can't see,
they wander over.
Smash.
But most of these are single car accidents.
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I've gone there twice.
It is privately owned land, so don't wanderaround, because he will call the cops.
But the road is public road, so you can stayon the road.
And that's where I stayed.
I did not go onto the land.
I just had my, wow, this is going to age me.
(01:12:14):
My ipod.
Yeah, it was an ipod touch nonetheless.
I know I didn't have kids, and I wasn't
married at the time, so I could getextravagances like an ipod touch.
I started recording, and I tripped because Iwas not paying attention where I was going.
(01:12:40):
I tripped, stumbled, and I was like, oh, man,that's got to be funny.
Now, I did not hear this, but on therecording, you can hear.
And I was like, I didn't laugh at myselftripping and almost falling on the road, but
(01:13:01):
it is definitely.
I don't know of an animal that exists in
Colorado that makes that noise.
Sure.
I have tried listening to many differentanimals.
Nothing.
And it's right after I say, oh, but that's
cute.
That's funny.
And then it laughs at me, and I'm like, well,I swear.
(01:13:22):
But people have gone under the bridge, and onthis road, it is the third bridge, which is
why it's called third bridge.
People have spray painted underneath the
bridge.
Allegedly, people do demonic ceremonies there.
(01:13:46):
They bring out Ouija boards and stuff likethat.
And it's like, okay, guys, this is gettingstupid, right?
My dad belonged to the volunteer firedepartment out in Elbert, which is very close,
and a friend of his found out that know love,ghosts and ghost stories and things like that,
(01:14:08):
I wouldn't call myself an investigator at thattime.
And they showed me a picture that they took,and it's a picture of a field with a fence,
and there is a figure.
You can see head, shoulders.
And then the body kind of fades out in themiddle of this field.
It is not a mist.
It is not fog.
(01:14:29):
It is a figure in the middle of this.
And I was like, oh, my God.
That's my holy grail.
And this is from a firefighter that took this.
The fire station that my dad belonged to.
He was a volunteer firefighter, had two
professional firefighters, meaning they gotpaid, and it was one of them that got the
(01:14:54):
picture.
And I was like, tell me the circumstances.
I heard the stories, and so I just startedsnapping my camera.
I was like, did you see it with your eyes?No. Did you hear anything?
No. Just the feeling you get around there isvery much.
(01:15:14):
You are being watched.
Considering the verifiable history of death
that has occurred there, it could be anybody.
I mean, there was a massacre involving
indigenous people there.
Some say that it was soldiers that made it
(01:15:34):
look like it was indigenous.
I don't know.
Wasn't there?Not that old yet.
But there was a school teacher that died nearthere.
There have been kids.
There was a bus crash.
People have gone out there to try toexperience third bridge and have died.
Speaker A (01:15:52):
Wow.
Speaker B (01:15:53):
In the month of June.
And I have tried looking at star charts,
seeing, okay, were the stars aligned in someway?
What was the phase of the moon?Is there a fog or something that comes in?
I can find no anomaly that occurs only inJune.
That would know made these things happen.
Speaker A (01:16:17):
Yeah.
Speaker B (01:16:19):
So I don't know what happens in June.
I have not been there in.
I. Because I used to live in Denver, but now
that I live over here, I probably won't bethere in June anytime soon because kids are
out of school.
But it is very heavy.
(01:16:39):
You definitely feel like you're being watched,and not just by wildlife.
I did not see any figure, anything.
The ipod touch would not take pictures.
So I don't have pictures of it.
But there is definitely a feeling, and people
(01:17:01):
say that they keep hearing drums, like fromindigenous people drumming there.
Problem is, there are oil wells not too faraway, and they sound like a drumming with a
constant beat.
Once I found that out, I was like, okay, well,
I can take that myth out.
(01:17:23):
But, yeah, that has to be one of the areas.
I was kind of happy to get out of therebecause it felt so uncomfortable, so heavy,
and I couldn't figure out why.
My brain scrambling, going, okay, there's got
to be some reason.
And there wasn't.
And I was talking out loud to myself.
(01:17:45):
Any cars that passed by me were like, oh, God,
don't they know where the sanitarium is?But, yeah, third bridge is definitely.
I mean, above Stanley Hotel, above theGlenwood Hotel, above any place in Colorado.
(01:18:05):
That has to be one of the areas, but it is onprivate land.
He will call the police.
You definitely need permission, and he does
not give it lightly.
There have been some people on YouTube that
sneak out there, and I don't believe insneaking out there.
I went on property that I shouldn't have once,and I got very lucky.
(01:18:35):
I was by an empty building.
I didn't know the other buildings had literal
residents that lived there and went to schoolthere.
And I caused the school lockdown.
Speaker A (01:18:46):
Whoops.
Speaker B (01:18:48):
Yeah. And the police came up.
I waited for them and told them what I was
doing, showed them the pictures I was taking.
Thankfully, they took a lot of mercy on me,
and they were like, okay, you just have toleave property.
But they thought it was really cool what I wasdoing, because it used to be an indian school.
(01:19:09):
It was called the Teller Institute or theGrand Junction Indian School, and that was
from 1890.
Come on, 90 something.
Till it closed in 1911.
It was one of the smaller ones.
(01:19:31):
But there are so far, I have a list of 37verified where I have found obituaries that
say they were buried at the school cemetery.
I have others that don't mention the school
cemetery, but 37 that mention it, and nocemetery was ever registered at that school.
Speaker A (01:19:56):
Yeah.
Speaker B (01:19:56):
Now, it used to be a home for.
It was called the Grand Junction Regional
center, and it was a home for people thatcouldn't live on their own, that needed a
little extra help.
And such.
That has such since closed down.
And I guess the governor had signed something
saying that it was going to be sold, eventhough the land, it states in perpetuity that
(01:20:23):
the land can't be sold, that it should go backto the tribes because it was ute land.
Speaker A (01:20:32):
Right.
Speaker B (01:20:33):
Well, all of the cell and everything has been put off because of the
Cemetery.
There are witnesses that very few, none of
them are still alive.
I think we lost the last one a couple of years
ago.
But people in interviews have said, I went to
(01:20:53):
services at the cemetery on ground.
I watched them bury my friend on grounds, and
I've been very interested in it.
And people are like, well, why?
Because I'm not indigenous.
And I was like, these are kids.
They were taken from what they known.
(01:21:14):
They were stripped of everything, if you will
forgive the term whitewashed.
Made to believe what the white man believed,
made to dress that way, made to look that way,speak that way.
And being a foster parent, it really touchesme that these kids weren't given the justice
of a headstone.
Speaker A (01:21:35):
Yeah.
Speaker B (01:21:36):
I mean, horrible things happened at know all the indian schools across the United
States, especially the ones in Canada, thatwe've heard the most.
You know, the local governments, the federalgovernments, are so slow at reparations of
finding the graves and returning them to theirtribes.
(01:22:00):
It's like, let's send them home.
Speaker A (01:22:03):
Right.
Speaker B (01:22:04):
Let's do right just by these kids and show them that we're human.
Speaker A (01:22:09):
Right.
Speaker B (01:22:10):
And so I've been researching this for many years.
Not allowed on property.
Yes.
When it was still active, I went out by anempty building.
Shouldn't have been caused a lockdown, avoidedarrest or anything, thankfully.
But hopefully one day they will allow peopleto go out there, and I would love to do an
(01:22:37):
investigation out there.
I may not get anything.
I may just get eaten by mosquitoes, but it'dbe worth every mosquito bite just to go out
there and say, hey, I tried.
Yeah, I'm not a psychic medium.
Anything sensitive or anything.
I want these kids to be able to go home and to
(01:22:59):
be recognized as, hey, we did wrong by you.
Speaker A (01:23:03):
Absolutely.
That makes total sense.
So, Lynn, I could talk to you for hours.
You're amazing.
I love this.
Let me ask you this.
Anything coming up, anything you guys aredoing, any investigations, anything like that?
Speaker B (01:23:20):
Well, we're hoping to do some starting next weekend.
We were going to last night, and I found outthat I, as guardian of the equipment, didn't
charge everything.
So that was my fault entirely.
So I'm like, great.
(01:23:40):
Every camera is dead.
And the boys have talked me into.
Because they saw it on a show.
Speaker A (01:23:50):
Oh, boy.
Speaker B (01:23:51):
Yes. I bought an RC car.
I smothered it with glow in the dark paint
because I'm not going to lose this thing.
It was $20.
I attached an EMF detector on it.
It just lights up and has an antenna and they
want to take that out.
Well, just in case things get too spooky, we
(01:24:12):
can send that out.
It's like, dude, if things get too spooky, we
shouldn't be sending anything out there aliveor inanimate.
So, yeah, now we have a little RC car becausethey saw it on a show and thought it was
really cool.
Except that one had a camera and stuff.
Speaker A (01:24:28):
Like.
Speaker B (01:24:29):
No, because if the camera falls off, I'm not searching all night for it.
Speaker A (01:24:33):
Right.
Speaker B (01:24:35):
I pay for the stuff, so.
No, but yeah, we want to take that out and see
if it works.
I have found out that the EMF reader will not
read the car.
So that was my first fear was, oh, my God,
this thing runs on remote control.
What if it reads while I'm trying to drive the
(01:24:57):
car or something?It doesn't, thankfully.
Whether that's because my EMF detector is notgood or not, who knows?
But we have a new toy to play.
Nice.
Awesome.
Speaker A (01:25:12):
Well, definitely, we'll check it out.
I have my spooky friends check it out, andwhen this episode drops, I will let you know
so you can tell all your followers andeverything.
And then I definitely would love to have youon the show again sometime so we talk about
more spooky tales you would have.
(01:25:34):
That would be awesome.
So thank you so much.
Speaker B (01:25:37):
Thank you.
I've had a great time and thank you for the
information.
I'm definitely going to be checking these out,
but, yeah, if you ever do episodes or anythingon specific places like the Stanley or Horse
thief canyon here or Glenwood Hotel, I've beento all three and done investigations at all
(01:25:58):
three.
The Stanley, I have to say, was not scary in
the least, but as a parent, it really hit mebecause, yeah, it was just a very interesting
experience.
And then Glenwood Hotel, we got stuff that I
(01:26:21):
have yet to be able to explain.
And it's been 2016.
That was eight years ago.
And nobody can explain to me what happened,
even though I show them the proof.
Speaker A (01:26:33):
Wow. I would definitely have you on about that because I would love to do that.
So again, we also end every show by we alwayssay, say hi to your ghost.
So, hello, ghost.
Speaker B (01:26:48):
Hello, hope you enjoyed it.
Speaker A (01:26:53):
And then we say, stay spooky.
Speaker B (01:26:57):
Stay spooky and safe.
Speaker A (01:27:01):
Yeah.
Speaker B (01:27:02):
Thank you, John. Bye bye.
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