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October 30, 2022 39 min

Episode 5 Depression doesn't discriminate - even successful, high-functioning people like Carl Binger and Joel Lesses suffer from it. In this episode of Fatha Torch, they open up about their experiences with depression and how they've found ways to cope and thrive.

"Is he just dumb or is it something deeper?"

Depression is a serious issue that many people face, but don't often talk about. For men, depression can be especially difficult to deal with due to societal expectations. Journaling and talking to trusted friends or counselors can be helpful in managing depression. In this episode, you will learn the following: 1. Depression is often misunderstood and carries a negative stigma. 2. Depression can be caused by a variety of factors, not just one event or situation. 3. Depression can be helped by journaling, talking to friends or a therapist, and participating in poetry or other forms of art.


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Persistent depressive disorder, also called dysthymia (dis-THIE-me-uh), is a continuous, long-term (chronic) form of depression. You may lose interest in normal daily activities, feel hopeless, lack productivity, and have low self-esteem and an overall feeling of inadequacy.


Unraveling Religion on Apple Podcasts 

Surviving Depression Podcast on Spotify 




Carl Binger Counselor - LMHC

 The father of two sons and the husband of one wife; Carl is the father of one wife and two sons. Having served as a Counseling Pastor at his home church from 2016-2018, Carl began his own private practice on February 14th of this year, specializing in helping individuals who struggle with depression. Carl was under the influence of depression for two years prior to getting the help he needed in the form of medication in 2006. It has been Carl's mission, ever since that time, to help those who struggle alone, to raise awareness about the perils of depression, and to break the stigma associated with depression and its treatment. Having been a counselor since 2014, Carl dreams of eventually running a large counseling center to help those who suffer from depression daily.

Joel David Lesses: Director, Counselor at Education Training Center; Writer and Poet; Podcast Producer, Unraveling Religion.

Joel Lesses professional background is in educational psychology and counseling for people marginalized by trauma, addiction, and psychological distress, as well as its effects on them, such as homelessness, incarceration, and institutionalization. It is his goal to transform mental health distress into a spiritual marker as well as an opportunity for existential growth. Additionally, Joel is actively involved in Poetry and Literature, both as an educator and a poet, through writing workshops, poetry roundtables, poetry, and the publication of a manuscript. 


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