Fresh Start with Dr. David - Season 3 - Episode 12 - Holistic Approaches to Cardiovascular Health w/ Dr. Wolfson, #1 Natural Heart Doctor (NBC, CNN, Wall Street Journal, Time Magazine, USA Today)
Unmasking the Heart: A Holistic Approach to Cardiovascular Health with Dr. Jack Wolfson, #1 Natural Heart Doctor (NBC, CNN, The Wall Street Journal, Time Magazine, The Washington Post, USA Today)
Welcome to another enlightening episode of the Fresh Start with Dr. David podcast! In these chaotic times, Dr. David aims to provide listeners with fresh perspectives on health and wellness. Today’s episode features a distinguished guest, Dr. Jack Wolfson, America's top natural heart doctor.
Dr. Wolfson shares his incredible journey from traditional cardiology to becoming a proponent of holistic heart health. He discusses the limitations of conventional medicine, which often focuses on treating symptoms rather than addressing root causes. Dr. Wolfson emphasizes the importance of a holistic approach, incorporating diet, lifestyle, and mental well-being to prevent and treat cardiovascular diseases.
Throughout the episode, Dr. Wolfson provides insights into the benefits of natural foods, the dangers of modern diet trends, and the crucial role of mental health in overall well-being. He also delves into the significance of sunshine, quality sleep, and stress management in maintaining heart health. For those struggling with heart conditions or looking to prevent them, Dr. Wolfson offers practical tips and underscores the importance of questioning conventional medical advice.
Dr. Wolfson's book, "The Paleo Cardiologist," and his natural heart health supplements are also discussed, offering listeners resources to further explore holistic health practices. Tune in to learn how to achieve a healthier heart and a better life naturally.
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Good afternoon. This is Dr. David back with the Fresh Start with Dr.
David podcast. I hope everyone is well out there.
We're definitely living in some chaotic times, but one of the purposes of Fresh Start with Dr.
David is to give everyone a fresh start each and every day and each and every
week and each and every month.
So that's the purpose of this podcast, to give you a fresh start,
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to make you think about some things that you hadn't thought about,
to provide you with some information you did not know about,
to help you feel some things that you haven't felt in a while,
and to help you live a better life.
So welcome back to the Fresh Start with Dr. David podcast.
If you haven't done so already, definitely check out the past couple of episodes.
I did an episode with Phoenix Soul about her new book, which is Become Your Own Peace.
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It's a 21-day workbook that helps you grow your relationships with other people
and get back to your own internal sense of peace and prosperity and stillness
and resilience and serenity.
So definitely check out that book on Amazon.com.
Also, check out the recent episode that I did or the recent episodes that I did with Mr.
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Gary Scott, an expert on grief and bereavement.
That episode and also the episode that I'll be uploading shortly that we just
did yesterday on the concept of free.
And as I've shared in previous podcasts, it's my belief that everything in life
has a cost and a value to it.
And things are not free, even if you're not the one who funded it.
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So anyway, but you'll find out more about that in that episode.
Today, I'm so excited. I've got one of the most celebrated guests that I've ever had on the show.
He works wonders. I was so impressed when I read about him and I'm so excited
to share some information about him and his approach and how he's changing heart
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health and cardiology in this nation.
And without further ado, I'd like to address America's natural heart doctor, Dr.
Jack Wolfson. Welcome, Dr. Wolfson.
Thank you so much, Dr. David. It's a pleasure to be on your show.
Excited to talk all things heart health and whatever else we dive into.
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Absolutely. So I'm so excited to have you here today.
And I'm so thankful that somebody reached out to suggest that you'd be a great
guest for my show. So, if you wouldn't mind, Dr.
Wolfson, I'm going to go ahead and share a little bit about what I know and
have read about you, if that's okay. Sure.
Yep. So, as America's natural heart doctor, Dr.
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Jack Wolfson is a board-certified cardiologist, an Amazon best-selling author,
a husband, a father, and the nation's number one natural heart doctor.
And if anybody knows anything about me, you know that I love the words natural
and I love the words holistic because that's the basis of my own practices.
For more than two decades, more than one million people have enjoyed the warmth,
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compassion, and transformational power of Dr.
Wolfson's natural heart health information courses and events and his practice.
Dr. Wolfson is the founder of Natural Heart Doctor, the worldwide leader in
cardiovascular health and wellness.
Doctors from across the globe and around the world reach out to Dr.
Wolfson for training, education, and experience in holistic health and wellness practices.
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Among other things, Dr. Jack Wolfson has been named one of America's top functional
medicine doctors and is a five-time winner of the Natural Choice Awards as a holistic doctor. Dr.
Wolfson's work has been covered by more than 100 media outlets,
including outlets like NBC, CNN, and the Washington Post.
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And his book, The Paleo Cardiologist, The Natural Way to Heart Health,
was an Amazon number one bestseller.
Dr. Wolfson and his wife, Heather, have four children and are committed to making
the world a better place for all of us to live in. They provide for those in
need, including animals, which, as you guys know, I'm an animal lover.
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I have an animal heart and to support natural health causes through their philanthropic efforts.
That is just a little bit touching the surface about Dr. Jack Wolfson.
Dr. Wolfson, I was really, really, really impressed with the journey that's
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shared about you on your website,
Natural Heart Doctor, your note to visitors and readers and listeners about
your journey and how you got started and how that led you to today.
And I'm going to give you a choice. Would you prefer to share that on your own
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or would you like to read what I kind of read online about you?
No, I'm happy to share that because it's an incredible story and it's 20 years in the making.
So it can be somewhat of a long story, but I like to tell people I was born
into the medical matrix, the pharma insurance hospital complex.
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In fact, when I was in my mother's womb i'm listening to
conversation about cardiology okay from my
father my father you know talking to my mother and
talking friends so i definitely would say that i was
born into that matrix and then i you know my entire life i wanted to become
a cardiologist like my father and i would do exactly that and as my career as
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a hospital-based cardiologist was really taking off my father was not doing
well and he was suffering from a parkinson's-like illness
and eventually he got diagnosed at the Mayo Clinic with PSP or progressive.
Supranuclear palsy and the Mayo Clinic said we've
got no idea why your father's sick and there's
nothing we can do to help him well simultaneously and serendipitously I was
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introduced to this 29 year old doctor of chiropractic and she told me all the
reasons why my father was sick and dying so Mayo Clinic had no reasons of the
29 year old doctor of chiropractic she's got all the reasons Wow.
And it made a perfect sense.
And I started to change. I started to change my personal existence because she's
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like, you're following in your father's footsteps.
You're doing, you're living the same lifestyle as your father.
Therefore, you're likely to suffer the same results.
So I started to change myself, started to change the way that I practice with patients.
And then eventually I would leave that big cardiology group,
start my own practice, natural natural heart doctor,
and then get married very early on to my, it's that young kind of actor who
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is now my beautiful wife and the mother of our four children.
And together we live in the mountain of Colorado with our four kids,
our six goats, 24 chickens, two cats, and a dog.
No way. I love that. Oh my God. So you truly are an animal lover.
Oh my God. we definitely have an
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affinity to animals and i guess you know it kind of goes into
well because you know if you have such a love for animals then
how can you be paleo or how can you eat
animals uh you know why aren't you vegan it's obviously a big massive discussion
you know in that arena but it just you know listen humans are hunter gatherers
we hunt and we gather But the only animals that my wife and our family and I
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would ever consume would be those that are ethically raised,
free-range, grass-fed.
In fact, the vast, vast, vast majority of the meat that we eat is from truly free-range,
essentially wild bison that are untouched by man, and then they are ethically raised.
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Field harvested. So a marksman from a distance shoots the animal without stress
hormones being released, without any kind of slaughter pen that are typical,
of course, in the cattle industry.
This field harvesting is much more expensive, but it leads to a healthier animal.
It is a certainly much less cruel way to go to be sacrificed.
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I don't make the rules, Mother Nature. And of course, you know,
vegans who eat fields of soy and corn, and they just are destroying the planet
in that arena, and they kill just an infinite number of life forms,
in their arrangement, we feel that the way that we live is much more congruent with nature.
Awesome. So let me share a little bit, and I want you to expound if you don't mind.
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In your note on your website, it says cardiovascular disease is the number one
cause of death in the world.
The ripple effects of heart attacks, strokes, atrial fibrillation,
also known as AFib, heart failure,
and other cardiovascular conditions are felt by millions of people.
Doctors' offices and hospitals are filled to the brim with patients searching
for health, and in particular, heart health.
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Heart disease is a pandemic, a pandemic that modern medicine cannot vanquish.
The current cardiology model is broken. Doctors receive training in what he
calls, or what you call, label medicine.
A person complains of a group of symptoms and the doctor assigns a label to it.
The label might be high blood pressure, AFib, heart failure.
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It could be cancer, depression, fibromyalgia, et cetera.
And then once that label or category is assigned or applied,
next comes drugs, tests, procedures, and things like that.
Tell me about what your experience has been with that system that uses labels
to treat people and define who they are.
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Well, my experience with it is that, and I've got extensive experience in it
because I did it for so many years, is that it doesn't work.
And it's only a model that is constructed for control,
for financial reasons, essentially to, you know, this has been going out since
the early 1900s to co-ops, health and wellness, and our God-given abilities to stay healthy,
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and then just use that pharmaceutical, surgical model to perpetuate the sickness
and the control and really just make us into customers for our entire existence.
So, you know, that's kind of how it's all born.
You know, the medical doc, you know, you went to medical school just like I did.
So, you know, it's just a conversation there is about somebody comes in,
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we try and use their signs and symptoms, put a label on that.
This person has depression.
This person has anxiety. This person has lupus. This person has coronary disease or cancer.
Cancer so we put all these different labels on people when they
fit this diagnostic criteria and then immediately we're
trying to think about okay well what is the pharmaceutical what is the surgical
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approach what is the testing that we can do on an individual person but it's
never about causation why does someone have depression anxiety uh stress fear
worry why do they have psychiatric issues why do they have you know physical
issues in the sense of pulling up why do they have coronary disease why do they
have cancer why do they have autoimmune why do they have dementia.
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And that's what we do with my company is that it's all about getting to the
root cause of why people are sick.
And then once you have the cause, you have the cure. And that's the only way it's going to be.
Health is never going to be from a prescription bottle.
It's not going to be at the corner of health and happy, you know,
where, you know, Walgreens is, it's not going to be at the tip of a needle.
It's not going to be found there.
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I totally agree with that. And one of the things that really,
really impressed me and, you know, led me to feel like we're kind of,
you know, doing similar work is that you said that the problem is that label medicine doesn't work.
Labels make it easier to practice medicine, but once a doctor assigns a label,
the treatment plan is set.
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And it's just a band-aid. It doesn't address the root cause of the signs and symptoms.
When the cause is not identified in reverse, healing can never happen.
And that's one of the main reasons why I have the kind of holistic mental health
and wellness practices that I have is because I realized really quickly at the
end of my medical school career around the time that I would be applying for
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residency and things like that,
is that all of the treatments for the most part that are available in psychiatry
to help patients get over things like depression,
anxiety, etc.
Et cetera, are basically just masking the symptoms.
They don't actually really get to the cause.
And that's why I love so much the work that you do, because just like me,
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my practices are root cause analysis-based practices.
So at the end of the day, if somebody comes to me with depression or anxiety,
part of what I do is get to the root cause of it, psychodynamically,
psychoanalytically, otherwise.
And we work through it to not only help mitigate the symptoms,
and signs, but also to work from the inside out, from the root of the problem.
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In terms of your thinking, what are some of the things that you think are the
problems or the root causes of cardiovascular disease?
Well, we do everything through the lens of what we call the 100-year heart method.
They didn't eat well, live well, think well.
So everything is a deficiency of the good stuff or an excess of the bad stuff.
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Yes. Look at all those things that eat well, live well, think well.
And, you know, you and I, before we started recording, we talked about the concept
of think well. And actually chapter five in my book.
It's called One Nation Under Prozac, where everybody is on Prozac or similar,
and that's not the answer.
Yet, I want everyone to know that if you have a mental health diagnosis,
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an emotional health diagnosis, that you're at much higher risk of cardiovascular
disease, like heart attacks and strokes and dying of cardiac causes.
So the answer, of course, is not Prozac, which doesn't help any of that.
It's getting back to that root cause.
And when we look at these things and we subtitle our root cause and we can say, well, what about diet?
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Well, we know that people who consume the most amount of seafood have the best brain health.
They have the lowest risk of things like anxiety, anger, depression,
and anything that's ever been studied.
If we look at all the different artificial sweeteners and flavors and how those
are neuroinflammatory leading to not only these you know, psychiatric,
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you know, mental health, you know, diagnoses, but also cardiovascular.
So again, just, you know, and we look at all the pesticides and chemicals,
how the pesticides disrupt the gut microbiome and the gut microbiome disruption
is well known linked to brain disorders as well.
So the medical doctors, of course, we'd love to pigeonhole everybody,
not only to diagnoses, but also like to compartmentalize our particular professions.
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Like, hey, I'm a a cardiologist i focus on heart heart heart
but practitioners like you and i dr david when
we focus on the organism the human
as a whole yes and improve on
all those things that everything gets better absolutely and
it really is so beautiful if we look at you know for example plastic plastic
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there was a recent study that came out where they look at people undergoing
a procedure called a carotid endarterectomy where they clean out the arteries
in the neck that lead to the brain to provide nutrients to the brain.
But when they looked under a microscope at the arteries and at the plaque in particular...
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They found two-thirds of the people they looked at had evidence of microplastics.
Under a microscope, they could see plastic particles in the carotid plaque. Wow.
Surprisingly, one-third of the group did not have evidence of that.
They were actually able to find one-third of people without plastic. Here's the rub here.
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The group with the plastic had three times the risk of heart attack,
stroke, and dying over the next three years compared to the people without plastic.
So now we know that plastic is linked to coronary disease, which we've known
for years already, but this is just the latest study in the New England Journal
of Medicine, which is one of the top three medical journals in the world.
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But we know that plastic is also linked to brain disorders.
It's linked to dementia.
It's linked to Parkinson's. And again, all these linkages are all the same.
The plastic damages the body. Now, the old disease is from an excess of the
bad stuff, not enough of the good stuff.
Right. Excess plastic, not enough of sleep and sunshine and physical activity
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and seafood and free-range grass-fed meats, including the organs.
I don't know if I can tell you this. I mean, as a doctor, our ancestors,
every single one of them used to eat the piece of the brain from the animal shells.
Now, no one eats brain. brain
everyone used to eat brain now no
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one eats brain these are i'm not telling you necessarily to run out and eat
brains people if you were to do it you'd want to get it from the best of the
best animals but it just kind of looks at over the last hundred years how medicine has just been
taken over by people who do not have our past interests.
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I totally agree with that. And when I think about what you just said about that,
it rolls my mind back to one of my favorites. I'm a big movie buff.
Anybody who knows me knows me. I love adventure movies, and I love science fiction movies.
Movies and one of my favorite movie series is
the indiana jones i remember one of the indiana jones i can't
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remember if it was the temple of doom or or raiders of
the lost ark or whatever where indiana and his
love interest in the movie are like in india or somewhere and they sit down
to have a meal where these chakra stones have been stolen or something like
that and they serve monkey brains for the food and i remember their reactions
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to it one of the things and this is my sci-fi brain,
because in my first self-improvement book,
Sweet Potato Pie for the Spirit, Soul, and Psyche, a tribute to Oprah Winfrey and Super Soul Sundays,
I have two chapters where I relate.
Living in the world that we live in and kind of humanity to The Matrix,
the science fiction movie The Matrix with Keanu Reeves and all of those actors.
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But in your bio, part of what I read was was that your wife offered you the
red pill to pull out of the matrix.
And the matrix being kind of this lack of a system that doesn't work,
that only addresses symptoms, that doesn't get to the root core or cause of problems,
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and basically doesn't give real answers.
It just gives temporary band-aids. And I love that you related that to the matrix.
In terms of some of the things that you do to kind of help people remove the
wool from their eyes in terms of their living and lifestyle habits and things like that,
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what are some of the things that you offer to your patients to help them move
beyond heart illness? Yeah.
Well, you know, it's for those of you who are listening right now,
you know that you are aware of what's going on when you understand that The
Matrix was not a science fiction movie. That was a documentary.
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You understand that that The Matrix is a reality and the vast majority of people are living in it.
The movie is making fun of those of us that are living inside of this matrix.
So essentially, at a minimum, what it means is that you are living in a world
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where information is fed to you and you are being controlled.
You're being controlled by the banks. You're being controlled by the pharmaceutical
industry. You're being controlled by the military.
Of course, you're being controlled by pharma, and you're being controlled by
the government and those who control the government.
So for those of you who understand that,
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you know, we are living in that kind of world and trying to escape from it,
I applaud you and keep trying to escape because it's only based on my training
and my understanding that you have to question every single thing that you see and hear anywhere,
whether it's me talking right now.
Now, question me, you know, question Dr. David and Dr.
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David, you know, speaks, question all of it, but question everything.
And the freedom to question everything is absolutely paramount.
So I tell people, you know, in the cardiology world where people have been told,
OK, take these pharmaceuticals, take statin drugs, take blood pressure drugs.
That's the only way that is. Again, that's how the doctors are indoctrinated
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into this from day one. It's all about pharmaceuticals. And whether it's about
your brain or it's about your heart, it's all about take these drugs.
And, you know, whoever designed us, call that person God or evolution or God
created evolution. We are designed perfectly.
Genetics are perfect. We do not need their pharmaceuticals. We need to eat well,
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live well, and think well.
And that's what we teach to people all day long. Eat these foods.
And of course, it's not the government food pyramid. The original food pyramid, Dr.
David, you're younger, much younger than I am. So the original food pyramid,
when you look at that, the grain category, bread, cereal, rice,
pasta, was bigger than the vegetable category.
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On what planet of delusion could people be living on to believe that to be true?
Well, it is only a food pyramid that has created delusion.
By the big agriculture industry, right? Kellogg's, Nabisco, Quaker Road. Right.
How would anyone give any credibility or credence to that?
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Right. And even the dairy portion, the dairy portion was as big as the vegetable portion.
Our ancestors never had dairy unless they were nursing off their mother's breast.
And then they had no dairy. So why would that be a big part of the diet?
Well, because the dairy industry writes the guidelines.
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Big ag writes the guidelines.
There's not really much in the way of availability as far as the cattle industry,
especially the quality people.
So they got screwed billing on that. But even the dietary stuff aside.
Look at the importance of sunshine.
It is so vilified. and you know
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to your realm and your expertise right people who
have the highest levels of vitamin d naturally have
the lowest risk of everything including depression and
seasonal affective disorder all these things all these
mental health things people don't need prozac they
need sunshine and oh by the way
elevated cholesterol can be
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seen as a sunshine deficiency insufficiency syndrome
what does that mean it means that cholesterol
is coursing through the blood vessels of our
skin and when the sun hits cholesterol
the uvb ultraviolet b
wavelength radiation converts cholesterol into vitamin d therefore cholesterol
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goes down and vitamin d goes up this is all good stuff and it's all from the
sun and it's all free and when people start to realize that that's when they're
going to start to really take over,
really start to improve their own health.
When you take a pharmaceutical, statin drug, blood pressure drug, it's a death sentence.
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You're not going to live your longest or best life. That's for sure.
Oh my God. Wow. Wow. See, that's why I have you on my podcast,
because I love it when somebody does that, when they go from the macro to the
micro and explain all the science behind those You know,
what's funny is I remember after I finished medical school and I started working
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as a consultant in forensic and addiction psychiatry, I was involved in a couple of clinical trials.
One of them was the Intuniv trial, which was a non-stimulant for children with
ADHD. But I remember there were a bunch, so many trials going on.
And I remember one, I can't remember if it was a periodical or an editorial
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or whatever, and they were actually talking about putting statins in the water.
And when I read that, I was just like, wait, wait, they already put fluoride in the water.
They're going to put statins in the water? And the funny thing about it is that I also remember.
When I was in medical school, when I did my clerkships in internal medicine
and family medicine, all of these patients would come in on statins complaining
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of muscle problems and muscle aches.
And, you know, in my mind, thinking, you know, rhabdomyolysis and things like
that, all the things that you think about that you learn in medical school about,
you know, how statins work and the side effects associated with them.
And a lot of times, all of the things that they would report,
these symptoms associated with taking a statin that had never been there before were dismissed.
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Oh, you're not really in pain. Your muscles don't really hurt.
And I was just like, well, gee, isn't that where glycogen is stored in muscles?
So it kind of makes sense if you would design a drug that affects HMG-CoA reductase
that it would affect the muscles where it's stored.
To me, that's just kind of logic. But a lot of times, you know,
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patients were just ignored.
And the same thing about, you know, in medical school, we were taught that you
treat pain until pain is gone.
But then after that or during that time period, we ended up with an opioid epidemic.
So just kind of amazes me how logic just gets ignored.
Yeah, but it's done that way, obviously, on purpose.
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There are so many different ways that they control us. The pharmaceutical industry
is nothing more than a marketing agency. They don't discover anything.
They don't do the bench research. That's all done in universities,
sometimes funded by big pharma.
And then when a discovery happens,
and of course, these are negative discoveries, but when they happen,
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pharmaceutical companies then acquire the said chemical compound and then put
it to the marketing arm, and there you have it. So they're strictly marketing companies.
The pharmaceutical industry is a $1.5-plus trillion industry annually,
and it's just an abomination on so many different levels to us.
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Let me talk real quick about statin drugs and, like you said, HMG-CoA reductase.
So what that statin drug does, it inhibits that particular enzyme,
and one thing that enzyme or protein does is that downstream from there,
it makes many different things.
So it turns basically food into cholesterol.
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And if you inhibit that, then you no longer have cholesterol.
We need cholesterol for a whole variety of reasons. That's why it's chapter one of my book.
So cholesterol is key in there. But what else happens? Like you said, CoQ10 happens there.
So CoQ10 is involved with cellular energy and the mitochondria.
That creates ATP, cellular water, does some incredible things, of course, in cells.
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We can't live without it. Yet statin drugs are known, according to a study done
in Journal of Internal Medicine, I believe that was the background 2010.
That showed that statin drugs lower CoQ10 levels by 40, 4-0%.
Now, there's other things also that HFG, you know, CoA makes,
and that includes something called dolicol.
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Uh is a very important steroid-like molecule that the main place it's located
is in the substantia nigra of the midbrain.
So now you have a bacteria that is well known with all these movement disorders,
correct, like Parkinson's and the disease.
My father died from PSP, and my father took a statin drug for several years,
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so now these people don't have dolochol. That's in the literature.
And the other thing that destroys the alcohol levels, and my father also had
an antidote, was alcohol.
And alcohol, certainly the link between Parkinson's and movement disorders is there as well.
So one more thing too, is that the HMG-CoA also produces a protein called heme A.
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And heme A is found in cytochrome C oxidase, or the fourth cytochrome in the
the energy electron transport chain.
So now you've got multiple different ways that this pharmaceutical destroys cellular energy.
Why would anyone want to take this poison? And then as you and I discussed before
we started recording, and you mentioned the fluoridation of water,
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putting fluoride in the water, statin drugs in the water.
I was fully aware of those conversations. I was part of those conversations.
And I was probably one of the guys who would have been like,
yeah, whatever. Yeah. Why not? Makes sense.
There is fluoride in the majority of statin drugs.
It's not added to it. It's actually part of the chemical compound of what the,
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you know, simvastatin, detevastatin, restuvastatin, atorvastatin.
These pharmaceuticals contain fluoride.
It's like they want us to be sick on purpose. Can you imagine that?
Well, I mean, from an economic standpoint, I mean, And it's kind of like,
it's almost like a straw man argument.
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You create a false, a fake problem or whatever, and then you mysteriously have
the solution to it. It's almost reverse engineering.
And Lipitor is the number one selling drug of all time. Right, right.
And it's absolute poison. And it's the number one selling drug of all time.
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Wow. Wow. This is amazing. Amazing.
And I love how you're able to, just like a musical instrument,
go back and forth between and link all of these things.
Tell me a little bit. So how many books do you have? Do you have at least two books?
No, I don't know if you're telling me you're the author of multiple books.
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I've got the one book from 2015, The Paleo Cardiology, and everything else I
put up online and on social media. and, you know, and videos and recordings, you know, like this.
I've often toyed with the idea of writing another book, but I think that,
you know, kind of in general, society loves their little soundbites.
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They love their little tidbits.
True, true. Kind of, I wonder if, you know, writing another book,
you know, would be necessarily worth it. And frankly, you know,
listen, everything I wrote in 2015 stands on its own.
The only thing that I kind of,
you know, changed really, a couple of different things. It was in 2015.
Number one is coffee. In my book, 2015, I kind of shied away from the use of coffee.
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Now I'm much more into coffee. Coffee is medicine, especially if it's the right coffee.
You know, organic, mold, mycotoxin-free, all that kind of stuff.
And, you know, coffee is a vice. It is an addiction.
But I think that it's probably one of the better addictions.
And the medical literature really bears that, certainly as it relates to cardiovascular
disease, cancer, and longevity.
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Longevity your brain based disorders and then
the other thing which i don't talk about much in the book
really at all is water damage mold
bacterial growth so when
you have water damage in your home because the homes are made with synthetic
you know materials or even you know wood and natural materials that are prone
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to water damage not only from a leaky roof or shower sink or toilet But also
from humidity and humidity changes,
this impacts our health dramatically when the water damage creates mold and or bacteria.
These mold or bacteria release toxins into their environment in order to ensure its longevity.
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The mold does. And of course, we're caught in the crossfire of that.
And that is written in the bible you know
moses talks about it 3 500 years ago in the book of leviticus he writes on it
extensively about the dangers of living in a moldy home and what to do about
it if you discover mold but if the 21st century christ is big time neuroinflammation
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when you have neuroinflammation you have emotional mental you know psychiatric disorders.
And what if it's all because the person is living in
a moldy home now when we talk about
some of these things like mold mycotoxins and someone's like
oh what's this guy talking about toxins water toxins okay
moses talked about mold you know whatever well let
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me tell you about the most famous mold mycotoxin in
the history of the world dr david you've probably heard of it it's called penicillin
penicillin is a mold mycotoxin it's from the penicillium mold that kills bacteria
so what do you think happens when you live in a home with penicillium or or one of the other,
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you know, thousands of old species,
and you're living in these toxins, what do you think that does to your gut microbiome?
Right, right. Right?
Now, there is a, also, there's another, you know, great example.
And this great example, it's a pharmaceutical that the brand name is called
CellCept, C-E-L-L-C-E-P-T.
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And it's a pharmaceutical used for people with rheumatologic disorder,
like lupus and rheumatoid, et cetera.
It's also used to, because it's an immunosuppressant, and it's also used for
people who receive organ transplants in order to prevent organ transplant rejection.
So a new heart, new kidneys, new liver, et cetera, they get this product called
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CellCept. So the generic name for cell sept is called mycophenolic acid.
Mycophenolic acid is a mold mycotoxin produced by various species of mold that
pharma puts in the capsule and shuts down your immune system.
So what happens if you're living in a home contaminated with mold?
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Being exposed to mycophenolic acid, we test people for this.
What happens to your immune system? them. What happens? You get sick and you
die. That's what happens.
Wow. You know, one of the things that I've kind of, I pay a lot of attention to trends.
And I think because I think a lot of times they tell a story.
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One of the things that I've noticed and I've talked about on my podcast in the
past, which I'll talk about more as well, is that just kind of the rise of certain types of diseases.
And you can tell when you look at TV and see the types of commercials that are
running because now there's a million drugs to treat skin conditions.
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There's Sky Rizzy and there's this and that. There's all these drugs to treat skin conditions.
And then there's a million drugs to treat gut problems like ulcerative colitis
and Crohn's disease and all these other things.
But there's been this rise in gut problems and this rise in skin problems.
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And I don't think it's by accident.
I think it's because of things like mold and things like that,
that nobody, the CDC, the NIH, I don't know who's talking about these things.
I don't see it being talked about, but I think it's a huge problem right now.
I know. I mean, you mentioned that and stuff like that.
All these things like eczema, autoimmune, intestinal disorders, everything has a cause.
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The pharmaceuticals will never be the answer. The pharmaceuticals will continue to kill people.
It'll make them sick. It'll make them ready on their way towards dying a premature death.
They're never going to be the answer. They're not studied.
They are extremely problematic. You have to figure out why, again,
going back to eating seafood, people with the highest levels of seafood consumption,
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lowest risk of eczema, highest amount of sunshine exposure,
lowest risk of eczema, sleep, stress disorders, right in your world,
highest levels of stress linked to the highest risk of eczema and other types of skin conditions.
Physicians you know as long as we're on the subject let me mention this there's two
actually cardiology diagnoses that are related to
stress one is called takotsubo cardiomyopathy or broken
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heart syndrome yeah classically a 40 to 60 year
old woman who gets in a fight with her spouse or boss suffers a heart attack
we take a look inside there's no evidence of coronary disease it's likely a
spasm or clot you know that caused you know that was the you know final event
that tipped them over but it was all stress induced and the other is called
spontaneous coronary artery redissection or SCAD.
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It's one of the main causes of heart attack in premenopausal women.
So these are all stress-induced, and we got to take control of it.
As we said, the answer is not, well, let's put Prozac in the drinking water.
The answer is to get people to understand that stress is bad and then hopefully
provide them strategies on how to reduce their stress levels.
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No, absolutely. Absolutely.
One of the reasons why I wrote my book, The Nutrient Diet, in 2021 is because
during COVID, I put on a lot of weight.
And traditionally, growing up, I was always one of the skinny kids.
Not the skinniest kid, so I didn't get picked on and called Grasshopper or Daddy
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Longlegs or any of those names.
But I was always thin, and I could eat what I wanted and not gain weight and
things like that. But then when I was in college, I had some anxiety.
I was taking 18 hours a semester, working full time, and I was stressed out.
And instead of reducing my hours at school or not working, which would probably
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have been better solutions, I wanted to keep going at the same rate.
And my doctor, my primary care physician, put me on a medication called Boost Bar.
And I happened to be a slow metabolizer. And it made me sleep all day.
And I took it for about a week and I just, you know, I couldn't do anything
but sleep. It just knocked me out.
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And so finally I went off that drug. But the reason why I mentioned it is because
my metabolism was never the same after I got put on Boost Bar.
When I wrote the nutrient diet, I gained about 70 or 80 pounds during COVID.
And I went on vacation and my first vacation in 20 years, mind you, in Key West.
And I got checked into my room, got undressed and tried to put on my swim trunks.
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And I hadn't been on a vacation in 20 years, so I hadn't tried on swim trunks
in ages and I wouldn't fit.
And so I had to walk to TJ Maxx and get some more swim trunks.
And the size that I kept trying kept getting larger and larger.
And once I got to size 36, I said, David, something's wrong here. We got to fix this.
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And I said, while you're on vacation, you can eat what you want.
You can drink what you can do, whatever.
But when you get back, you're changing. And that's when I wrote the Nutrient Diet.
My book starts, it's 50% the biochemistry and metabolism of the things that
you put in your body and what happens to them.
And then the other 50% is the psychology behind the eating choices.
But my book, the first chapter of it starts out with water.
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And the reason why I wanted to start out with water is because our bodies are mostly water.
And so to me, it makes sense if you want to control how your body functions,
the physiology of it, how it metabolizes things, that you would start with water.
In terms of your book and
your kind of approach to things what are some
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of the things that you think are most important in terms of diet
and how we live each day that make a big difference in the
prevention of disease be it cardiovascular or otherwise
well i will say this you know is that there's
so much debate in the food industry as we've kind of alluded to
before you know we got vegan vegetarian paleo keto
carnivore and everything in between one point
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that i like to get on the people is that no matter what type of diet you
follow make it organic get the chemicals out of
your diet aspartame acetamide artificial sweeteners colors
flavors get the pesticides out of your diet get the plastics the synthetics
and stuff like that out of your diet eat whole real food that is organic that's
the number one thing that we should be looking at the next thing of course i'm
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a big seafood guy i'm a big nose to tail animal guy specifically bison including the organs.
And then I'm always gluten-free. I don't see any reason to eat gluten-containing
grains. I think they're all neuroinflammatory. They destroy the guts.
It's not human food. So those are those things that we really focused on over
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there. Now, you mentioned water.
And of course, quality water and clean water, really free of plastic and pesticides
and other contaminants.
Are certainly very important. But the majority of the water in our body is actually
made internally inside of the cells, inside of the mitochondria.
So that's incredibly important to produce good intracellular water.
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And that only happens when you have strong mitochondria. Strong mitochondria
function free of statin drugs and other pharmaceuticals.
And you do have good levels of cofactors that you get best from eating seafood
and from the organs are all critically important. So, yeah, we all understand
that other country to make ATP, but it also makes cellular water.
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So as we take in food and oxygen, the hydrogen atoms from the food plus the
oxygen from the air leads to H2O production intracellular along with CO2.
And we can't tell CO2, but we keep that cellular water and having good structure
and quality intracellular water is is absolutely paramount. Yeah, absolutely.
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Absolutely. And that leads me to some things that I would love to hear kind
of your knowledge and expertise and opinions about.
I am a huge seafood eater. Love seafood.
I love eating the whole fish. I'll go and, you know, get whole fish and change it up.
I'll have, you know, raspberry or strawberry fish.
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This or that one day and this or that, some other type of fish a different day.
I love to switch back and forth between different fishes and things like that.
I know one of the things, one of the, and it hasn't stopped me from eating fish,
although I try to be as picky as I can about where I get my fish from.
But I know one of the big things that I've heard people who are opposed to kind
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of a pescatarian-centered diet or a fish-based diet is they point to things
like mercury and things like that.
Share a little bit with us about your kind of approach to eating fish and just
kind of like best practices and things like that when it comes to eating fish.
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Yeah. So I think that the benefits of eating seafood far outweigh the risk of
any kind of metal exposure.
Start off with saying that. Mercury-led arsenic cadmium, these are naturally
truly occurring elements on planet Earth.
They are not man-made, so we should not be quite as worried about them.
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And in fact, the American College of Obstetrics and Gynecology,
what they did is that they told people, you know, pregnant women to avoid seafood
for many years, and then they reversed that because what happened was women
were avoiding seafood and they were getting good for low IQ babies.
So that was clearly a major mistake. Now, we personally,
we have a product called wild salmon roe which is
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wild salmon roe except for northwest uh in
a capsule and we tested it for levels of
mercury and lead and arsenic and stuff like that and the levels came back very
low so in the salmon roe there really was no problematic areas there and we
also actually tested it for bpa which is one of the components of plastic and
it came out negative there because a lot of people will talk about microplastics
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and seafood so we didn't see it there.
I eat a ton of seafood. A lot of my patients eat a ton of seafood and we're
not seeing problems with metals.
Now, one thing we could be concerned about would be big fish like shark,
swordfish, marlin, halibuts, a big sea bass, even big tuna.
There are companies now that are testing their tunas and are getting smaller size tuna.
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They're testing it and levels are coming back very low.
So, you know, listen, we eat a lot of wild salmon, sardines,
anchovies, clams, oyster, shrimp, lobster, crabs, scallops, scallops are just
a phenomenal, phenomenal, love scallops.
Of course, I'm talking about wild, you know, I mean, cause all these things
are all very high in these omega free fatty acids, EPA, DHA,
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and they are loaded into our cell membranes.
These are the brains of the cells and without them, we're, we're in big,
big, big trouble. So, yeah, I enjoy the seafood.
I try, I try on a daily basis. I try and get seafood or at least swallow seafood
capsules on a daily basis.
Awesome. Is there a particular type of fish that you tend to,
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you know, move towards more than others or just everything?
Well, you know, I mean, we do, you know, we love the wild salmon and I love the shellfish.
We eat a lot of sardines. We, you know, use anchovies a lot, salad dressings.
And then, you know, we try and eat the salmon roe. If I'm not eating the salmon
roe, I'm swallowing salmon roe capsules.
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You know, there's, and it's just unfortunate because so much of the American
palate has gotten away from that, but it's really, it's the most nutrient dense, healthiest food.
You know, You know, people talk about how many people are eating bison liver
these days or bison heart.
These are foods that our ancestors cherished and prized.
It's, you know, we talked about animals before and how we see their animals, you know, in our place.
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You know, you throw the grain in the bin and the chickens go crazy and stuff
like that. And, you know, where they run and stuff like that.
And they've got total, you know, they've got two acres of pasture where they're,
you know, walking around on the chickens.
And you throw the grain and they'll eat the grain. chickens of course
eat anything but you throw out some minced
up heart or liver and it is
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a feeding frenzy those birds those animals
they know what's going on they know what the nutrition is it's just we as americans
we've just we've lost it but you know the the bison liver contains all those
fat soluble vitamins adk right all the minerals all the proteins all the fats
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it's just It's a superfood.
Do you like steak or beef?
We mostly eat bison these days. We'll eat steak. Of course, it has to be from a free-range company.
But what's nice about bison, again, bison is just a majestic animal.
But we'll eat filet. We'll eat ribeye. We'll eat the ribs themselves.
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And we'll have, again, a lot of ground. And what's cool about some of these
ground companies is that they also, they're doing these ancestral blends.
So it'll be the majority is just like ground up mussel meats,
which most people are used to.
And then maybe throwing in a little bit of heart and liver, you know, ground up as well.
You can kind of get that flavor a little bit. You can also cover the flavor.
You know, you put it in a B-low for tacos or something like that.
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You can hide it pretty easily. Chili.
Yeah. I know when I moved to Georgia in January of 2007, one of the things,
I moved to Georgia from Maine.
And I noticed that there were Ted's Montana Grill and they had bison steaks.
And I had never, I'd heard of, I grew up in Arkansas, so I'd heard of deer steaks
and things like that, but I'd never heard of bison steaks.
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But I know, like, you know, on my Facebook page and Instagram and other places,
you know, when I cook, a lot of times I'll show what I'm cooking,
whether it's a steak or whether it's fish or salmon or whatever else.
I love to do that because it just kind of helps keep me motivated to have healthier choices.
One of the things that I've noticed as somebody who's always loved a good hamburger
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is it seems to me, and maybe it's what's in the grocery store or whatever,
but it seems to me that the taste of a lot of ground beef is different from
what it used to be. Would you agree with that? Or have you seen that?
Or have you noticed that? It's really what the animal's fed, right?
So most Americans, their palate is not really in tune with a grass-fed animal.
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They're used to Nebraska corn-fed, soy-fed animals.
These are healthy, sickly animals.
They're given antibiotics and all these other hormonal type things.
So, you know, again, when you eat something that's truly healthy,
it's going to potentially taste different.
Now, of course, if you put your seasonings in there, you put your different
herbs and spices and salts and stuff. like that.
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And you can kind of change that up a little bit.
But yeah, we definitely need to really look at the food we ate and the food
that we eat, what they ate.
It's incredibly important as well. So choose wisely and choose with your pocketbook as well.
So the more that we choose these high-quality companies, the more companies
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like that that'll come online and hopefully the price will come down.
Tell me, can you share just a little bit about some, if you know any off the
the top of your head, just like some places where people can find healthier
choices in terms of organic things and things that are healthy.
Yeah, so, you know, really, we've, of course, got resources on our website.
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People love those resources.
But the other thing is that people can go to companies like Vile Idea,
Buffalo, Northstar, Bison, other companies like Vile Pastures,
you know, and Seafood. We love Plumme Island Seafood.
But, you know, you're trying to support local people. Bringing in that food
is always good. If you live in places that have free-range cattle,
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healthy grass-fed, grass-finished cattle, you want to make sure you ask if it's grass-finished.
Supporting those local farmers is always going to be the best.
We do consume dairy, but the vast, vast, vast majority is raw dairy.
So try and find a local raw dairy farmer. Different states have different rules.
Of course, industry wants to control what we consume. They are not in favor
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of the raw dairy industry.
They create a lot of propaganda against the use of raw dairy.
But our ancestors, at least for the last 10,000, 15,000 years,
have been consuming raw dairy.
And we should continue on with it.
Absolutely. So that brings me to, and we'll be wrapping up soon,
that brings me to one of the things that you talked about or you mentioned earlier
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is about some of the supplements.
Now, does your company offer supplements? I believe it does, right? Yes.
Yeah, so we definitely do. And it's just supplement, supplement,
everything else we talked about.
So again, the concept, the 100-year-old method is eat well, eat well,
think well, test, don't guess, using the most advanced testing in the world.
And then evidence-based supplements and biohacking strategies.
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So the supplements can help support in a very toxic world.
So I think that certain nutrients, specifically food-based nutrients,
can be useful in supplemental form for people who are like, you know,
I'm having trouble concepting how to even eat that much seafood or I don't like
to change the seafood or organs or how to get them.
So we encapsulated it for those people.
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And then also, you know, just good quality binders and detoxifiers. buyers.
We, as a company, are really moving away from synthetic vitamin sources and
really just staying with that food is medicine concept.
Awesome. And they can, and any of the listeners here to the Fresh Start with Dr.
David podcast, they can find those supplements and those products on your website?
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Yeah. Okay. Awesome. Awesome. Awesome. So this has been a really,
really fascinating conversation.
I've learned so much. I think listeners out there have learned a lot about living
a more holistic, more natural life.
I love the way that you kind of have this three-pronged system of eat well,
think well, and live well.
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I love your approach. I love how you'd like to get to the root cause.
I think it's great that you're making such a huge impact to health and wellness
in this country and beyond its borders. I love that.
Well, thank you so much, Dr. Davis, for having me on. It was certainly a pleasure
to talk to you and the audience.
And And, you know, again, I really appreciate the opportunity.
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Absolutely. So with that, can you please share where people can find you,
where they can find your book, where they can find out more information,
where they can schedule an appointment with you and all those kind of things?
Yeah, no, naturalheartdoctor.com is the website.
Myself, my other practitioners are available virtually. We're available in person, whatever works.
Of course, we're on all things social media under the handle of naturalheartdoctor.
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So check us out over there we're active
on youtube we just we have a community uh as
well on a platform called mighty networks you know
as well so yeah that's where that's where
you can find me all you gotta do is use uh google google my name jack wolfson
and you'll find all kinds of interesting information awesome and would you would
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you say that you would be a good choice for somebody who's had people who've
had heart conditions and they've gone to cardiologists after cardiologists and nothing has worked.
Yeah, you know, most certainly the majority of people I see,
they've already people have suffered, right? They've already had a heart attack.
They've already been told they've got atrial fibrillation or heart failure.
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They're on pharmaceuticals. Those are the majority of people I see,
but I love seeing people for prevention.
Maybe it's someone who's like,
you know, I'm 42 years old. My father had a heart attack when he was 47.
I want to make sure that's not me. What's the best plan? The best plan is certainly
not a pharmaceuticals. The best plan is to figure out why your father had the
event and make sure you don't follow following those footsteps.
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That's the, that's the ideal way. But yeah, I've got myself,
I know the cardiologist, the team, the naturopathic doctors,
chiropractors, health coaches practicing all over the country.
So, you know, listen, cardiovascular disease is number one killer worldwide.
And we're clearly not winning the war on this one.
Pharm is not the answer. There's a better way. And that's what we have in natural heart doctor.
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Awesome. And once again, tell me, tell us the name of your book.
So the book is called The Paleo Cardiologist. And actually, if you go to that
URL, paleocardiologist.com, you can get the book for free.
All you do is pay shipping at that URL, the paleocardiologist.com.
You can get it right there.
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People can get your book for free?
Oh, you know, with pay shipping, I forget what the shipping charge is at this
point. I mean, listen, you can buy it from Amazon.
Jeff Bezos and people on Amazon, they could use your money.
If you want to pick a few boxes directly from us, then we'll send that right
out to you. That is awesome.
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That is awesome. So definitely when I share this and everything,
I'll definitely put a link to that where people can get your book for free and
just pay for the shipping and handling.
And also a link to your website where people can book you for an appointment
and then also get any supplements and things like that that you make.
Thank you so much. It's been a huge honor for me to have you on, Dr.
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Wolfson, the number one natural heart doctor. It's been a huge treat.
I've learned so much. I got a review in biochemistry today and learned a lot
of things that I didn't know before. Thank you so much for being here today.
Much appreciated. Thank you. Thanks so much, Dr. Wolfson.
You take care. And you guys take care out there. And be sure to stay tuned for
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the next episode of Fresh Start with Dr. David.
Good afternoon. This is Dr. David back with the Fresh Start with Dr.
David podcast. I hope everyone is well out there.
We're definitely living in some chaotic times, but one of the purposes of Fresh Start with Dr.
David is to give everyone a fresh start each and every day and each and every
week and each and every month.
So that's the purpose of this podcast, to give you a fresh start,
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to make you think about some things that you hadn't thought about,
to provide you with some information you did not know about,
to help you feel some things that you haven't felt in a while,
and to help you live a better life.
So welcome back to the Fresh Start with Dr. David podcast.
If you haven't done so already, definitely check out the past couple of episodes.
I did an episode with Phoenix Soul about her new book, which is Become Your Own Peace.
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It's a 21-day workbook that helps you grow your relationships with other people
and get back to your own internal sense of peace and prosperity and stillness
and resilience and serenity.
So definitely check out that book on Amazon.com.
Also, check out the recent episode that I did or the recent episodes that I did with Mr.
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Gary Scott, an expert on grief and bereavement.
That episode and also the episode that I'll be uploading shortly that we just
did yesterday on the concept of free.
And as I've shared in previous podcasts, it's my belief that everything in life
has a cost and a value to it.
And things are not free, even if you're not the one who funded it.
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So anyway, but you'll find out more about that in that episode.
Today, I'm so excited. I've got one of the most celebrated guests that I've ever had on the show.
He works wonders. I was so impressed when I read about him and I'm so excited
to share some information about him and his approach and how he's changing heart
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health and cardiology in this nation.
And without further ado, I'd like to address America's natural heart doctor, Dr.
Jack Wolfson. Welcome, Dr. Wolfson.
Thank you so much, Dr. David. It's a pleasure to be on your show.
Excited to talk all things heart health and whatever else we dive into.
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Absolutely. So I'm so excited to have you here today.
And I'm so thankful that somebody reached out to suggest that you'd be a great
guest for my show. So, if you wouldn't mind, Dr.
Wolfson, I'm going to go ahead and share a little bit about what I know and
have read about you, if that's okay. Sure.
Yep. So, as America's natural heart doctor, Dr.
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Jack Wolfson is a board-certified cardiologist, an Amazon best-selling author,
a husband, a father, and the nation's number one natural heart doctor.
And if anybody knows anything about me, you know that I love the words natural
and I love the words holistic because that's the basis of my own practices.
For more than two decades, more than one million people have enjoyed the warmth,
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compassion, and transformational power of Dr.
Wolfson's natural heart health information courses and events and his practice.
Dr. Wolfson is the founder of Natural Heart Doctor, the worldwide leader in
cardiovascular health and wellness.
Doctors from across the globe and around the world reach out to Dr.
Wolfson for training, education, and experience in holistic health and wellness practices.
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Among other things, Dr. Jack Wolfson has been named one of America's top functional
medicine doctors and is a five-time winner of the Natural Choice Awards as a holistic doctor. Dr.
Wolfson's work has been covered by more than 100 media outlets,
including outlets like NBC, CNN, and the Washington Post.
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And his book, The Paleo Cardiologist, The Natural Way to Heart Health,
was an Amazon number one bestseller.
Dr. Wolfson and his wife, Heather, have four children and are committed to making
the world a better place for all of us to live in. They provide for those in
need, including animals, which, as you guys know, I'm an animal lover.
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I have an animal heart and to support natural health causes through their philanthropic efforts.
That is just a little bit touching the surface about Dr. Jack Wolfson.
Dr. Wolfson, I was really, really, really impressed with the journey that's
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shared about you on your website,
Natural Heart Doctor, your note to visitors and readers and listeners about
your journey and how you got started and how that led you to today.
And I'm going to give you a choice. Would you prefer to share that on your own
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or would you like to read what I kind of read online about you?
No, I'm happy to share that because it's an incredible story and it's 20 years in the making.
So it can be somewhat of a long story, but I like to tell people I was born
into the medical matrix, the pharma insurance hospital complex.
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In fact, when I was in my mother's womb i'm listening to
conversation about cardiology okay from my
father my father you know talking to my mother and
talking friends so i definitely would say that i was
born into that matrix and then i you know my entire life i wanted to become
a cardiologist like my father and i would do exactly that and as my career as
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a hospital-based cardiologist was really taking off my father was not doing
well and he was suffering from a parkinson's-like illness
and eventually he got diagnosed at the Mayo Clinic with PSP or progressive.
Supranuclear palsy and the Mayo Clinic said we've
got no idea why your father's sick and there's
nothing we can do to help him well simultaneously and serendipitously I was
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introduced to this 29 year old doctor of chiropractic and she told me all the
reasons why my father was sick and dying so Mayo Clinic had no reasons of the
29 year old doctor of chiropractic she's got all the reasons Wow.
And it made a perfect sense.
And I started to change. I started to change my personal existence because she's
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like, you're following in your father's footsteps.
You're doing, you're living the same lifestyle as your father.
Therefore, you're likely to suffer the same results.
So I started to change myself, started to change the way that I practice with patients.
And then eventually I would leave that big cardiology group,
start my own practice, natural natural heart doctor,
and then get married very early on to my, it's that young kind of actor who
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is now my beautiful wife and the mother of our four children.
And together we live in the mountain of Colorado with our four kids,
our six goats, 24 chickens, two cats, and a dog.
No way. I love that. Oh my God. So you truly are an animal lover.
Oh my God. we definitely have an
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affinity to animals and i guess you know it kind of goes into
well because you know if you have such a love for animals then
how can you be paleo or how can you eat
animals uh you know why aren't you vegan it's obviously a big massive discussion
you know in that arena but it just you know listen humans are hunter gatherers
we hunt and we gather But the only animals that my wife and our family and I
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would ever consume would be those that are ethically raised,
free-range, grass-fed.
In fact, the vast, vast, vast majority of the meat that we eat is from truly free-range,
essentially wild bison that are untouched by man, and then they are ethically raised.
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Field harvested. So a marksman from a distance shoots the animal without stress
hormones being released, without any kind of slaughter pen that are typical,
of course, in the cattle industry.
This field harvesting is much more expensive, but it leads to a healthier animal.
It is a certainly much less cruel way to go to be sacrificed.
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I don't make the rules, Mother Nature. And of course, you know,
vegans who eat fields of soy and corn, and they just are destroying the planet
in that arena, and they kill just an infinite number of life forms,
in their arrangement, we feel that the way that we live is much more congruent with nature.
Awesome. So let me share a little bit, and I want you to expound if you don't mind.
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In your note on your website, it says cardiovascular disease is the number one
cause of death in the world.
The ripple effects of heart attacks, strokes, atrial fibrillation,
also known as AFib, heart failure,
and other cardiovascular conditions are felt by millions of people.
Doctors' offices and hospitals are filled to the brim with patients searching
for health, and in particular, heart health.
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Heart disease is a pandemic, a pandemic that modern medicine cannot vanquish.
The current cardiology model is broken. Doctors receive training in what he
calls, or what you call, label medicine.
A person complains of a group of symptoms and the doctor assigns a label to it.
The label might be high blood pressure, AFib, heart failure.
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It could be cancer, depression, fibromyalgia, et cetera.
And then once that label or category is assigned or applied,
next comes drugs, tests, procedures, and things like that.
Tell me about what your experience has been with that system that uses labels
to treat people and define who they are.
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Well, my experience with it is that, and I've got extensive experience in it
because I did it for so many years, is that it doesn't work.
And it's only a model that is constructed for control,
for financial reasons, essentially to, you know, this has been going out since
the early 1900s to co-ops, health and wellness, and our God-given abilities to stay healthy,
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and then just use that pharmaceutical, surgical model to perpetuate the sickness
and the control and really just make us into customers for our entire existence.
So, you know, that's kind of how it's all born.
You know, the medical doc, you know, you went to medical school just like I did.
So, you know, it's just a conversation there is about somebody comes in,
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we try and use their signs and symptoms, put a label on that.
This person has depression.
This person has anxiety. This person has lupus. This person has coronary disease or cancer.
Cancer so we put all these different labels on people when they
fit this diagnostic criteria and then immediately we're
trying to think about okay well what is the pharmaceutical what is the surgical
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approach what is the testing that we can do on an individual person but it's
never about causation why does someone have depression anxiety uh stress fear
worry why do they have psychiatric issues why do they have you know physical
issues in the sense of pulling up why do they have coronary disease why do they
have cancer why do they have autoimmune why do they have dementia.
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And that's what we do with my company is that it's all about getting to the
root cause of why people are sick.
And then once you have the cause, you have the cure. And that's the only way it's going to be.
Health is never going to be from a prescription bottle.
It's not going to be at the corner of health and happy, you know,
where, you know, Walgreens is, it's not going to be at the tip of a needle.
It's not going to be found there.
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I totally agree with that. And one of the things that really,
really impressed me and, you know, led me to feel like we're kind of,
you know, doing similar work is that you said that the problem is that label medicine doesn't work.
Labels make it easier to practice medicine, but once a doctor assigns a label,
the treatment plan is set.
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And it's just a band-aid. It doesn't address the root cause of the signs and symptoms.
When the cause is not identified in reverse, healing can never happen.
And that's one of the main reasons why I have the kind of holistic mental health
and wellness practices that I have is because I realized really quickly at the
end of my medical school career around the time that I would be applying for
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residency and things like that,
is that all of the treatments for the most part that are available in psychiatry
to help patients get over things like depression,
anxiety, etc.
Et cetera, are basically just masking the symptoms.
They don't actually really get to the cause.
And that's why I love so much the work that you do, because just like me,
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my practices are root cause analysis-based practices.
So at the end of the day, if somebody comes to me with depression or anxiety,
part of what I do is get to the root cause of it, psychodynamically,
psychoanalytically, otherwise.
And we work through it to not only help mitigate the symptoms,
and signs, but also to work from the inside out, from the root of the problem.
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In terms of your thinking, what are some of the things that you think are the
problems or the root causes of cardiovascular disease?
Well, we do everything through the lens of what we call the 100-year heart method.
They didn't eat well, live well, think well.
So everything is a deficiency of the good stuff or an excess of the bad stuff.
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Yes. Look at all those things that eat well, live well, think well.
And, you know, you and I, before we started recording, we talked about the concept
of think well. And actually chapter five in my book.
It's called One Nation Under Prozac, where everybody is on Prozac or similar,
and that's not the answer.
Yet, I want everyone to know that if you have a mental health diagnosis,
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an emotional health diagnosis, that you're at much higher risk of cardiovascular
disease, like heart attacks and strokes and dying of cardiac causes.
So the answer, of course, is not Prozac, which doesn't help any of that.
It's getting back to that root cause.
And when we look at these things and we subtitle our root cause and we can say, well, what about diet?
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Well, we know that people who consume the most amount of seafood have the best brain health.
They have the lowest risk of things like anxiety, anger, depression,
and anything that's ever been studied.
If we look at all the different artificial sweeteners and flavors and how those
are neuroinflammatory leading to not only these you know, psychiatric,
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you know, mental health, you know, diagnoses, but also cardiovascular.
So again, just, you know, and we look at all the pesticides and chemicals,
how the pesticides disrupt the gut microbiome and the gut microbiome disruption
is well known linked to brain disorders as well.
So the medical doctors, of course, we'd love to pigeonhole everybody,
not only to diagnoses, but also like to compartmentalize our particular professions.
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Like, hey, I'm a a cardiologist i focus on heart heart heart
but practitioners like you and i dr david when
we focus on the organism the human
as a whole yes and improve on
all those things that everything gets better absolutely and
it really is so beautiful if we look at you know for example plastic plastic
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there was a recent study that came out where they look at people undergoing
a procedure called a carotid endarterectomy where they clean out the arteries
in the neck that lead to the brain to provide nutrients to the brain.
But when they looked under a microscope at the arteries and at the plaque in particular...
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They found two-thirds of the people they looked at had evidence of microplastics.
Under a microscope, they could see plastic particles in the carotid plaque. Wow.
Surprisingly, one-third of the group did not have evidence of that.
They were actually able to find one-third of people without plastic. Here's the rub here.
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The group with the plastic had three times the risk of heart attack,
stroke, and dying over the next three years compared to the people without plastic.
So now we know that plastic is linked to coronary disease, which we've known
for years already, but this is just the latest study in the New England Journal
of Medicine, which is one of the top three medical journals in the world.
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But we know that plastic is also linked to brain disorders.
It's linked to dementia.
It's linked to Parkinson's. And again, all these linkages are all the same.
The plastic damages the body. Now, the old disease is from an excess of the
bad stuff, not enough of the good stuff.
Right. Excess plastic, not enough of sleep and sunshine and physical activity
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and seafood and free-range grass-fed meats, including the organs.
I don't know if I can tell you this. I mean, as a doctor, our ancestors,
every single one of them used to eat the piece of the brain from the animal shells.
Now, no one eats brain. brain
everyone used to eat brain now no
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one eats brain these are i'm not telling you necessarily to run out and eat
brains people if you were to do it you'd want to get it from the best of the
best animals but it just kind of looks at over the last hundred years how medicine has just been
taken over by people who do not have our past interests.
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I totally agree with that. And when I think about what you just said about that,
it rolls my mind back to one of my favorites. I'm a big movie buff.
Anybody who knows me knows me. I love adventure movies, and I love science fiction movies.
Movies and one of my favorite movie series is
the indiana jones i remember one of the indiana jones i can't
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remember if it was the temple of doom or or raiders of
the lost ark or whatever where indiana and his
love interest in the movie are like in india or somewhere and they sit down
to have a meal where these chakra stones have been stolen or something like
that and they serve monkey brains for the food and i remember their reactions
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to it one of the things and this is my sci-fi brain,
because in my first self-improvement book,
Sweet Potato Pie for the Spirit, Soul, and Psyche, a tribute to Oprah Winfrey and Super Soul Sundays,
I have two chapters where I relate.
Living in the world that we live in and kind of humanity to The Matrix,
the science fiction movie The Matrix with Keanu Reeves and all of those actors.
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But in your bio, part of what I read was was that your wife offered you the
red pill to pull out of the matrix.
And the matrix being kind of this lack of a system that doesn't work,
that only addresses symptoms, that doesn't get to the root core or cause of problems,
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and basically doesn't give real answers.
It just gives temporary band-aids. And I love that you related that to the matrix.
In terms of some of the things that you do to kind of help people remove the
wool from their eyes in terms of their living and lifestyle habits and things like that,
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what are some of the things that you offer to your patients to help them move
beyond heart illness? Yeah.
Well, you know, it's for those of you who are listening right now,
you know that you are aware of what's going on when you understand that The
Matrix was not a science fiction movie. That was a documentary.
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You understand that that The Matrix is a reality and the vast majority of people are living in it.
The movie is making fun of those of us that are living inside of this matrix.
So essentially, at a minimum, what it means is that you are living in a world
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where information is fed to you and you are being controlled.
You're being controlled by the banks. You're being controlled by the pharmaceutical
industry. You're being controlled by the military.
Of course, you're being controlled by pharma, and you're being controlled by
the government and those who control the government.
So for those of you who understand that,
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you know, we are living in that kind of world and trying to escape from it,
I applaud you and keep trying to escape because it's only based on my training
and my understanding that you have to question every single thing that you see and hear anywhere,
whether it's me talking right now.
Now, question me, you know, question Dr. David and Dr.
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David, you know, speaks, question all of it, but question everything.
And the freedom to question everything is absolutely paramount.
So I tell people, you know, in the cardiology world where people have been told,
OK, take these pharmaceuticals, take statin drugs, take blood pressure drugs.
That's the only way that is. Again, that's how the doctors are indoctrinated
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into this from day one. It's all about pharmaceuticals. And whether it's about
your brain or it's about your heart, it's all about take these drugs.
And, you know, whoever designed us, call that person God or evolution or God
created evolution. We are designed perfectly.
Genetics are perfect. We do not need their pharmaceuticals. We need to eat well,
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live well, and think well.
And that's what we teach to people all day long. Eat these foods.
And of course, it's not the government food pyramid. The original food pyramid, Dr.
David, you're younger, much younger than I am. So the original food pyramid,
when you look at that, the grain category, bread, cereal, rice,
pasta, was bigger than the vegetable category.
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On what planet of delusion could people be living on to believe that to be true?
Well, it is only a food pyramid that has created delusion.
By the big agriculture industry, right? Kellogg's, Nabisco, Quaker Road. Right.
How would anyone give any credibility or credence to that?
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Right. And even the dairy portion, the dairy portion was as big as the vegetable portion.
Our ancestors never had dairy unless they were nursing off their mother's breast.
And then they had no dairy. So why would that be a big part of the diet?
Well, because the dairy industry writes the guidelines.
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Big ag writes the guidelines.
There's not really much in the way of availability as far as the cattle industry,
especially the quality people.
So they got screwed billing on that. But even the dietary stuff aside.
Look at the importance of sunshine.
It is so vilified. and you know
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to your realm and your expertise right people who
have the highest levels of vitamin d naturally have
the lowest risk of everything including depression and
seasonal affective disorder all these things all these
mental health things people don't need prozac they
need sunshine and oh by the way
elevated cholesterol can be
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seen as a sunshine deficiency insufficiency syndrome
what does that mean it means that cholesterol
is coursing through the blood vessels of our
skin and when the sun hits cholesterol
the uvb ultraviolet b
wavelength radiation converts cholesterol into vitamin d therefore cholesterol
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goes down and vitamin d goes up this is all good stuff and it's all from the
sun and it's all free and when people start to realize that that's when they're
going to start to really take over,
really start to improve their own health.
When you take a pharmaceutical, statin drug, blood pressure drug, it's a death sentence.
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You're not going to live your longest or best life. That's for sure.
Oh my God. Wow. Wow. See, that's why I have you on my podcast,
because I love it when somebody does that, when they go from the macro to the
micro and explain all the science behind those You know,
what's funny is I remember after I finished medical school and I started working
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as a consultant in forensic and addiction psychiatry, I was involved in a couple of clinical trials.
One of them was the Intuniv trial, which was a non-stimulant for children with
ADHD. But I remember there were a bunch, so many trials going on.
And I remember one, I can't remember if it was a periodical or an editorial
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or whatever, and they were actually talking about putting statins in the water.
And when I read that, I was just like, wait, wait, they already put fluoride in the water.
They're going to put statins in the water? And the funny thing about it is that I also remember.
When I was in medical school, when I did my clerkships in internal medicine
and family medicine, all of these patients would come in on statins complaining
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of muscle problems and muscle aches.
And, you know, in my mind, thinking, you know, rhabdomyolysis and things like
that, all the things that you think about that you learn in medical school about,
you know, how statins work and the side effects associated with them.
And a lot of times, all of the things that they would report,
these symptoms associated with taking a statin that had never been there before were dismissed.
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Oh, you're not really in pain. Your muscles don't really hurt.
And I was just like, well, gee, isn't that where glycogen is stored in muscles?
So it kind of makes sense if you would design a drug that affects HMG-CoA reductase
that it would affect the muscles where it's stored.
To me, that's just kind of logic. But a lot of times, you know,
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patients were just ignored.
And the same thing about, you know, in medical school, we were taught that you
treat pain until pain is gone.
But then after that or during that time period, we ended up with an opioid epidemic.
So just kind of amazes me how logic just gets ignored.
Yeah, but it's done that way, obviously, on purpose.
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There are so many different ways that they control us. The pharmaceutical industry
is nothing more than a marketing agency. They don't discover anything.
They don't do the bench research. That's all done in universities,
sometimes funded by big pharma.
And then when a discovery happens,
and of course, these are negative discoveries, but when they happen,
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pharmaceutical companies then acquire the said chemical compound and then put
it to the marketing arm, and there you have it. So they're strictly marketing companies.
The pharmaceutical industry is a $1.5-plus trillion industry annually,
and it's just an abomination on so many different levels to us.
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Let me talk real quick about statin drugs and, like you said, HMG-CoA reductase.
So what that statin drug does, it inhibits that particular enzyme,
and one thing that enzyme or protein does is that downstream from there,
it makes many different things.
So it turns basically food into cholesterol.
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And if you inhibit that, then you no longer have cholesterol.
We need cholesterol for a whole variety of reasons. That's why it's chapter one of my book.
So cholesterol is key in there. But what else happens? Like you said, CoQ10 happens there.
So CoQ10 is involved with cellular energy and the mitochondria.
That creates ATP, cellular water, does some incredible things, of course, in cells.
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We can't live without it. Yet statin drugs are known, according to a study done
in Journal of Internal Medicine, I believe that was the background 2010.
That showed that statin drugs lower CoQ10 levels by 40, 4-0%.
Now, there's other things also that HFG, you know, CoA makes,
and that includes something called dolicol.
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Uh is a very important steroid-like molecule that the main place it's located
is in the substantia nigra of the midbrain.
So now you have a bacteria that is well known with all these movement disorders,
correct, like Parkinson's and the disease.
My father died from PSP, and my father took a statin drug for several years,
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so now these people don't have dolochol. That's in the literature.
And the other thing that destroys the alcohol levels, and my father also had
an antidote, was alcohol.
And alcohol, certainly the link between Parkinson's and movement disorders is there as well.
So one more thing too, is that the HMG-CoA also produces a protein called heme A.
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And heme A is found in cytochrome C oxidase, or the fourth cytochrome in the
the energy electron transport chain.
So now you've got multiple different ways that this pharmaceutical destroys cellular energy.
Why would anyone want to take this poison? And then as you and I discussed before
we started recording, and you mentioned the fluoridation of water,
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putting fluoride in the water, statin drugs in the water.
I was fully aware of those conversations. I was part of those conversations.
And I was probably one of the guys who would have been like,
yeah, whatever. Yeah. Why not? Makes sense.
There is fluoride in the majority of statin drugs.
It's not added to it. It's actually part of the chemical compound of what the,
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you know, simvastatin, detevastatin, restuvastatin, atorvastatin.
These pharmaceuticals contain fluoride.
It's like they want us to be sick on purpose. Can you imagine that?
Well, I mean, from an economic standpoint, I mean, And it's kind of like,
it's almost like a straw man argument.
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You create a false, a fake problem or whatever, and then you mysteriously have
the solution to it. It's almost reverse engineering.
And Lipitor is the number one selling drug of all time. Right, right.
And it's absolute poison. And it's the number one selling drug of all time.
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Wow. Wow. This is amazing. Amazing.
And I love how you're able to, just like a musical instrument,
go back and forth between and link all of these things.
Tell me a little bit. So how many books do you have? Do you have at least two books?
No, I don't know if you're telling me you're the author of multiple books.
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I've got the one book from 2015, The Paleo Cardiology, and everything else I
put up online and on social media. and, you know, and videos and recordings, you know, like this.
I've often toyed with the idea of writing another book, but I think that,
you know, kind of in general, society loves their little soundbites.
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They love their little tidbits.
True, true. Kind of, I wonder if, you know, writing another book,
you know, would be necessarily worth it. And frankly, you know,
listen, everything I wrote in 2015 stands on its own.
The only thing that I kind of,
you know, changed really, a couple of different things. It was in 2015.
Number one is coffee. In my book, 2015, I kind of shied away from the use of coffee.
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Now I'm much more into coffee. Coffee is medicine, especially if it's the right coffee.
You know, organic, mold, mycotoxin-free, all that kind of stuff.
And, you know, coffee is a vice. It is an addiction.
But I think that it's probably one of the better addictions.
And the medical literature really bears that, certainly as it relates to cardiovascular
disease, cancer, and longevity.
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Longevity your brain based disorders and then
the other thing which i don't talk about much in the book
really at all is water damage mold
bacterial growth so when
you have water damage in your home because the homes are made with synthetic
you know materials or even you know wood and natural materials that are prone
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to water damage not only from a leaky roof or shower sink or toilet But also
from humidity and humidity changes,
this impacts our health dramatically when the water damage creates mold and or bacteria.
These mold or bacteria release toxins into their environment in order to ensure its longevity.
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The mold does. And of course, we're caught in the crossfire of that.
And that is written in the bible you know
moses talks about it 3 500 years ago in the book of leviticus he writes on it
extensively about the dangers of living in a moldy home and what to do about
it if you discover mold but if the 21st century christ is big time neuroinflammation
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when you have neuroinflammation you have emotional mental you know psychiatric disorders.
And what if it's all because the person is living in
a moldy home now when we talk about
some of these things like mold mycotoxins and someone's like
oh what's this guy talking about toxins water toxins okay
moses talked about mold you know whatever well let
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me tell you about the most famous mold mycotoxin in
the history of the world dr david you've probably heard of it it's called penicillin
penicillin is a mold mycotoxin it's from the penicillium mold that kills bacteria
so what do you think happens when you live in a home with penicillium or or one of the other,
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you know, thousands of old species,
and you're living in these toxins, what do you think that does to your gut microbiome?
Right, right. Right?
Now, there is a, also, there's another, you know, great example.
And this great example, it's a pharmaceutical that the brand name is called
CellCept, C-E-L-L-C-E-P-T.
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And it's a pharmaceutical used for people with rheumatologic disorder,
like lupus and rheumatoid, et cetera.
It's also used to, because it's an immunosuppressant, and it's also used for
people who receive organ transplants in order to prevent organ transplant rejection.
So a new heart, new kidneys, new liver, et cetera, they get this product called
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CellCept. So the generic name for cell sept is called mycophenolic acid.
Mycophenolic acid is a mold mycotoxin produced by various species of mold that
pharma puts in the capsule and shuts down your immune system.
So what happens if you're living in a home contaminated with mold?
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Being exposed to mycophenolic acid, we test people for this.
What happens to your immune system? them. What happens? You get sick and you
die. That's what happens.
Wow. You know, one of the things that I've kind of, I pay a lot of attention to trends.
And I think because I think a lot of times they tell a story.
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One of the things that I've noticed and I've talked about on my podcast in the
past, which I'll talk about more as well, is that just kind of the rise of certain types of diseases.
And you can tell when you look at TV and see the types of commercials that are
running because now there's a million drugs to treat skin conditions.
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There's Sky Rizzy and there's this and that. There's all these drugs to treat skin conditions.
And then there's a million drugs to treat gut problems like ulcerative colitis
and Crohn's disease and all these other things.
But there's been this rise in gut problems and this rise in skin problems.
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And I don't think it's by accident.
I think it's because of things like mold and things like that,
that nobody, the CDC, the NIH, I don't know who's talking about these things.
I don't see it being talked about, but I think it's a huge problem right now.
I know. I mean, you mentioned that and stuff like that.
All these things like eczema, autoimmune, intestinal disorders, everything has a cause.
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The pharmaceuticals will never be the answer. The pharmaceuticals will continue to kill people.
It'll make them sick. It'll make them ready on their way towards dying a premature death.
They're never going to be the answer. They're not studied.
They are extremely problematic. You have to figure out why, again,
going back to eating seafood, people with the highest levels of seafood consumption,
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lowest risk of eczema, highest amount of sunshine exposure,
lowest risk of eczema, sleep, stress disorders, right in your world,
highest levels of stress linked to the highest risk of eczema and other types of skin conditions.
Physicians you know as long as we're on the subject let me mention this there's two
actually cardiology diagnoses that are related to
stress one is called takotsubo cardiomyopathy or broken
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heart syndrome yeah classically a 40 to 60 year
old woman who gets in a fight with her spouse or boss suffers a heart attack
we take a look inside there's no evidence of coronary disease it's likely a
spasm or clot you know that caused you know that was the you know final event
that tipped them over but it was all stress induced and the other is called
spontaneous coronary artery redissection or SCAD.
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It's one of the main causes of heart attack in premenopausal women.
So these are all stress-induced, and we got to take control of it.
As we said, the answer is not, well, let's put Prozac in the drinking water.
The answer is to get people to understand that stress is bad and then hopefully
provide them strategies on how to reduce their stress levels.
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No, absolutely. Absolutely.
One of the reasons why I wrote my book, The Nutrient Diet, in 2021 is because
during COVID, I put on a lot of weight.
And traditionally, growing up, I was always one of the skinny kids.
Not the skinniest kid, so I didn't get picked on and called Grasshopper or Daddy
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Longlegs or any of those names.
But I was always thin, and I could eat what I wanted and not gain weight and
things like that. But then when I was in college, I had some anxiety.
I was taking 18 hours a semester, working full time, and I was stressed out.
And instead of reducing my hours at school or not working, which would probably
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have been better solutions, I wanted to keep going at the same rate.
And my doctor, my primary care physician, put me on a medication called Boost Bar.
And I happened to be a slow metabolizer. And it made me sleep all day.
And I took it for about a week and I just, you know, I couldn't do anything
but sleep. It just knocked me out.
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And so finally I went off that drug. But the reason why I mentioned it is because
my metabolism was never the same after I got put on Boost Bar.
When I wrote the nutrient diet, I gained about 70 or 80 pounds during COVID.
And I went on vacation and my first vacation in 20 years, mind you, in Key West.
And I got checked into my room, got undressed and tried to put on my swim trunks.
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And I hadn't been on a vacation in 20 years, so I hadn't tried on swim trunks
in ages and I wouldn't fit.
And so I had to walk to TJ Maxx and get some more swim trunks.
And the size that I kept trying kept getting larger and larger.
And once I got to size 36, I said, David, something's wrong here. We got to fix this.
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And I said, while you're on vacation, you can eat what you want.
You can drink what you can do, whatever.
But when you get back, you're changing. And that's when I wrote the Nutrient Diet.
My book starts, it's 50% the biochemistry and metabolism of the things that
you put in your body and what happens to them.
And then the other 50% is the psychology behind the eating choices.
But my book, the first chapter of it starts out with water.
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And the reason why I wanted to start out with water is because our bodies are mostly water.
And so to me, it makes sense if you want to control how your body functions,
the physiology of it, how it metabolizes things, that you would start with water.
In terms of your book and
your kind of approach to things what are some
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of the things that you think are most important in terms of diet
and how we live each day that make a big difference in the
prevention of disease be it cardiovascular or otherwise
well i will say this you know is that there's
so much debate in the food industry as we've kind of alluded to
before you know we got vegan vegetarian paleo keto
carnivore and everything in between one point
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that i like to get on the people is that no matter what type of diet you
follow make it organic get the chemicals out of
your diet aspartame acetamide artificial sweeteners colors
flavors get the pesticides out of your diet get the plastics the synthetics
and stuff like that out of your diet eat whole real food that is organic that's
the number one thing that we should be looking at the next thing of course i'm
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a big seafood guy i'm a big nose to tail animal guy specifically bison including the organs.
And then I'm always gluten-free. I don't see any reason to eat gluten-containing
grains. I think they're all neuroinflammatory. They destroy the guts.
It's not human food. So those are those things that we really focused on over
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there. Now, you mentioned water.
And of course, quality water and clean water, really free of plastic and pesticides
and other contaminants.
Are certainly very important. But the majority of the water in our body is actually
made internally inside of the cells, inside of the mitochondria.
So that's incredibly important to produce good intracellular water.
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And that only happens when you have strong mitochondria. Strong mitochondria
function free of statin drugs and other pharmaceuticals.
And you do have good levels of cofactors that you get best from eating seafood
and from the organs are all critically important. So, yeah, we all understand
that other country to make ATP, but it also makes cellular water.
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So as we take in food and oxygen, the hydrogen atoms from the food plus the
oxygen from the air leads to H2O production intracellular along with CO2.
And we can't tell CO2, but we keep that cellular water and having good structure
and quality intracellular water is is absolutely paramount. Yeah, absolutely.
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Absolutely. And that leads me to some things that I would love to hear kind
of your knowledge and expertise and opinions about.
I am a huge seafood eater. Love seafood.
I love eating the whole fish. I'll go and, you know, get whole fish and change it up.
I'll have, you know, raspberry or strawberry fish.
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This or that one day and this or that, some other type of fish a different day.
I love to switch back and forth between different fishes and things like that.
I know one of the things, one of the, and it hasn't stopped me from eating fish,
although I try to be as picky as I can about where I get my fish from.
But I know one of the big things that I've heard people who are opposed to kind
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of a pescatarian-centered diet or a fish-based diet is they point to things
like mercury and things like that.
Share a little bit with us about your kind of approach to eating fish and just
kind of like best practices and things like that when it comes to eating fish.
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Yeah. So I think that the benefits of eating seafood far outweigh the risk of
any kind of metal exposure.
Start off with saying that. Mercury-led arsenic cadmium, these are naturally
truly occurring elements on planet Earth.
They are not man-made, so we should not be quite as worried about them.
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And in fact, the American College of Obstetrics and Gynecology,
what they did is that they told people, you know, pregnant women to avoid seafood
for many years, and then they reversed that because what happened was women
were avoiding seafood and they were getting good for low IQ babies.
So that was clearly a major mistake. Now, we personally,
we have a product called wild salmon roe which is
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wild salmon roe except for northwest uh in
a capsule and we tested it for levels of
mercury and lead and arsenic and stuff like that and the levels came back very
low so in the salmon roe there really was no problematic areas there and we
also actually tested it for bpa which is one of the components of plastic and
it came out negative there because a lot of people will talk about microplastics
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and seafood so we didn't see it there.
I eat a ton of seafood. A lot of my patients eat a ton of seafood and we're
not seeing problems with metals.
Now, one thing we could be concerned about would be big fish like shark,
swordfish, marlin, halibuts, a big sea bass, even big tuna.
There are companies now that are testing their tunas and are getting smaller size tuna.
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They're testing it and levels are coming back very low.
So, you know, listen, we eat a lot of wild salmon, sardines,
anchovies, clams, oyster, shrimp, lobster, crabs, scallops, scallops are just
a phenomenal, phenomenal, love scallops.
Of course, I'm talking about wild, you know, I mean, cause all these things
are all very high in these omega free fatty acids, EPA, DHA,
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and they are loaded into our cell membranes.
These are the brains of the cells and without them, we're, we're in big,
big, big trouble. So, yeah, I enjoy the seafood.
I try, I try on a daily basis. I try and get seafood or at least swallow seafood
capsules on a daily basis.
Awesome. Is there a particular type of fish that you tend to,
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you know, move towards more than others or just everything?
Well, you know, I mean, we do, you know, we love the wild salmon and I love the shellfish.
We eat a lot of sardines. We, you know, use anchovies a lot, salad dressings.
And then, you know, we try and eat the salmon roe. If I'm not eating the salmon
roe, I'm swallowing salmon roe capsules.
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You know, there's, and it's just unfortunate because so much of the American
palate has gotten away from that, but it's really, it's the most nutrient dense, healthiest food.
You know, You know, people talk about how many people are eating bison liver
these days or bison heart.
These are foods that our ancestors cherished and prized.
It's, you know, we talked about animals before and how we see their animals, you know, in our place.
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You know, you throw the grain in the bin and the chickens go crazy and stuff
like that. And, you know, where they run and stuff like that.
And they've got total, you know, they've got two acres of pasture where they're,
you know, walking around on the chickens.
And you throw the grain and they'll eat the grain. chickens of course
eat anything but you throw out some minced
up heart or liver and it is
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a feeding frenzy those birds those animals
they know what's going on they know what the nutrition is it's just we as americans
we've just we've lost it but you know the the bison liver contains all those
fat soluble vitamins adk right all the minerals all the proteins all the fats
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it's just It's a superfood.
Do you like steak or beef?
We mostly eat bison these days. We'll eat steak. Of course, it has to be from a free-range company.
But what's nice about bison, again, bison is just a majestic animal.
But we'll eat filet. We'll eat ribeye. We'll eat the ribs themselves.
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And we'll have, again, a lot of ground. And what's cool about some of these
ground companies is that they also, they're doing these ancestral blends.
So it'll be the majority is just like ground up mussel meats,
which most people are used to.
And then maybe throwing in a little bit of heart and liver, you know, ground up as well.
You can kind of get that flavor a little bit. You can also cover the flavor.
You know, you put it in a B-low for tacos or something like that.
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You can hide it pretty easily. Chili.
Yeah. I know when I moved to Georgia in January of 2007, one of the things,
I moved to Georgia from Maine.
And I noticed that there were Ted's Montana Grill and they had bison steaks.
And I had never, I'd heard of, I grew up in Arkansas, so I'd heard of deer steaks
and things like that, but I'd never heard of bison steaks.
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But I know, like, you know, on my Facebook page and Instagram and other places,
you know, when I cook, a lot of times I'll show what I'm cooking,
whether it's a steak or whether it's fish or salmon or whatever else.
I love to do that because it just kind of helps keep me motivated to have healthier choices.
One of the things that I've noticed as somebody who's always loved a good hamburger
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is it seems to me, and maybe it's what's in the grocery store or whatever,
but it seems to me that the taste of a lot of ground beef is different from
what it used to be. Would you agree with that? Or have you seen that?
Or have you noticed that? It's really what the animal's fed, right?
So most Americans, their palate is not really in tune with a grass-fed animal.
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They're used to Nebraska corn-fed, soy-fed animals.
These are healthy, sickly animals.
They're given antibiotics and all these other hormonal type things.
So, you know, again, when you eat something that's truly healthy,
it's going to potentially taste different.
Now, of course, if you put your seasonings in there, you put your different
herbs and spices and salts and stuff. like that.
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And you can kind of change that up a little bit.
But yeah, we definitely need to really look at the food we ate and the food
that we eat, what they ate.
It's incredibly important as well. So choose wisely and choose with your pocketbook as well.
So the more that we choose these high-quality companies, the more companies
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like that that'll come online and hopefully the price will come down.
Tell me, can you share just a little bit about some, if you know any off the
the top of your head, just like some places where people can find healthier
choices in terms of organic things and things that are healthy.
Yeah, so, you know, really, we've, of course, got resources on our website.
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People love those resources.
But the other thing is that people can go to companies like Vile Idea,
Buffalo, Northstar, Bison, other companies like Vile Pastures,
you know, and Seafood. We love Plumme Island Seafood.
But, you know, you're trying to support local people. Bringing in that food
is always good. If you live in places that have free-range cattle,
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healthy grass-fed, grass-finished cattle, you want to make sure you ask if it's grass-finished.
Supporting those local farmers is always going to be the best.
We do consume dairy, but the vast, vast, vast majority is raw dairy.
So try and find a local raw dairy farmer. Different states have different rules.
Of course, industry wants to control what we consume. They are not in favor
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of the raw dairy industry.
They create a lot of propaganda against the use of raw dairy.
But our ancestors, at least for the last 10,000, 15,000 years,
have been consuming raw dairy.
And we should continue on with it.
Absolutely. So that brings me to, and we'll be wrapping up soon,
that brings me to one of the things that you talked about or you mentioned earlier
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is about some of the supplements.
Now, does your company offer supplements? I believe it does, right? Yes.
Yeah, so we definitely do. And it's just supplement, supplement,
everything else we talked about.
So again, the concept, the 100-year-old method is eat well, eat well,
think well, test, don't guess, using the most advanced testing in the world.
And then evidence-based supplements and biohacking strategies.
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So the supplements can help support in a very toxic world.
So I think that certain nutrients, specifically food-based nutrients,
can be useful in supplemental form for people who are like, you know,
I'm having trouble concepting how to even eat that much seafood or I don't like
to change the seafood or organs or how to get them.
So we encapsulated it for those people.
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And then also, you know, just good quality binders and detoxifiers. buyers.
We, as a company, are really moving away from synthetic vitamin sources and
really just staying with that food is medicine concept.
Awesome. And they can, and any of the listeners here to the Fresh Start with Dr.
David podcast, they can find those supplements and those products on your website?
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Yeah. Okay. Awesome. Awesome. Awesome. So this has been a really,
really fascinating conversation.
I've learned so much. I think listeners out there have learned a lot about living
a more holistic, more natural life.
I love the way that you kind of have this three-pronged system of eat well,
think well, and live well.
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I love your approach. I love how you'd like to get to the root cause.
I think it's great that you're making such a huge impact to health and wellness
in this country and beyond its borders. I love that.
Well, thank you so much, Dr. Davis, for having me on. It was certainly a pleasure
to talk to you and the audience.
And And, you know, again, I really appreciate the opportunity.
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Absolutely. So with that, can you please share where people can find you,
where they can find your book, where they can find out more information,
where they can schedule an appointment with you and all those kind of things?
Yeah, no, naturalheartdoctor.com is the website.
Myself, my other practitioners are available virtually. We're available in person, whatever works.
Of course, we're on all things social media under the handle of naturalheartdoctor.
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So check us out over there we're active
on youtube we just we have a community uh as
well on a platform called mighty networks you know
as well so yeah that's where that's where
you can find me all you gotta do is use uh google google my name jack wolfson
and you'll find all kinds of interesting information awesome and would you would
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you say that you would be a good choice for somebody who's had people who've
had heart conditions and they've gone to cardiologists after cardiologists and nothing has worked.
Yeah, you know, most certainly the majority of people I see,
they've already people have suffered, right? They've already had a heart attack.
They've already been told they've got atrial fibrillation or heart failure.
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They're on pharmaceuticals. Those are the majority of people I see,
but I love seeing people for prevention.
Maybe it's someone who's like,
you know, I'm 42 years old. My father had a heart attack when he was 47.
I want to make sure that's not me. What's the best plan? The best plan is certainly
not a pharmaceuticals. The best plan is to figure out why your father had the
event and make sure you don't follow following those footsteps.
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That's the, that's the ideal way. But yeah, I've got myself,
I know the cardiologist, the team, the naturopathic doctors,
chiropractors, health coaches practicing all over the country.
So, you know, listen, cardiovascular disease is number one killer worldwide.
And we're clearly not winning the war on this one.
Pharm is not the answer. There's a better way. And that's what we have in natural heart doctor.
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Awesome. And once again, tell me, tell us the name of your book.
So the book is called The Paleo Cardiologist. And actually, if you go to that
URL, paleocardiologist.com, you can get the book for free.
All you do is pay shipping at that URL, the paleocardiologist.com.
You can get it right there.
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People can get your book for free?
Oh, you know, with pay shipping, I forget what the shipping charge is at this
point. I mean, listen, you can buy it from Amazon.
Jeff Bezos and people on Amazon, they could use your money.
If you want to pick a few boxes directly from us, then we'll send that right
out to you. That is awesome.
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That is awesome. So definitely when I share this and everything,
I'll definitely put a link to that where people can get your book for free and
just pay for the shipping and handling.
And also a link to your website where people can book you for an appointment
and then also get any supplements and things like that that you make.
Thank you so much. It's been a huge honor for me to have you on, Dr.
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Wolfson, the number one natural heart doctor. It's been a huge treat.
I've learned so much. I got a review in biochemistry today and learned a lot
of things that I didn't know before. Thank you so much for being here today.
Much appreciated. Thank you. Thanks so much, Dr. Wolfson.
You take care. And you guys take care out there. And be sure to stay tuned for
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the next episode of Fresh Start with Dr. David.
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