Fresh Start with Dr. David Podcast - Season 3 - Episode 11 - Unpacking the Mind: Another Conversation with Grief Expert Gary Scott - Fresh Start with Dr. David

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Hello, everybody, and welcome to another episode of What If You Could?
And a person that I admire very much who we're coming back, we just had so much
fun, we're going to another, I'm sure you remember, Dr. David Wright.
There's so much to Dr. David's bio, not just the fact of being a doctor,

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being an MD and so on and so forth.
But one of the things that I find so intriguing about the The doctor is,
instead of pursuing a residency in psychiatry, Dr.
David chose to study and train in a discipline that were more in line with the
techniques used by the father and uncle of psychiatry, Dr.
Sigmund Freud, the father of psychiatry, and Dr.

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Milton Erikson, the uncle of psychiatry.
As such, he chose to approach mental health from a more natural,
holistic, root-caused.
Logic-centered, psychoanalytical, and psychodynamic outlook, right?
Which I think is what intrigues him most. So instead of choosing an approach

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primarily based on handing out pills and simply just addressing the surface symptoms, Dr.
David goes a lot deeper, goes to the root causes. And so that's very intriguing to me.
We wanted to touch on that, but we also kind of want to talk about a social,
economical, social, generational challenge that I think we both agree on.

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And I said, you know, we kind of talked about that.
Why don't you fire away on what we were kind of go with on this free stock thing?
Yeah, yeah, yeah. So, you know, thank you for that introduction.
I appreciate it. That was really, really gracious. And I'll just share something
too, which I went to a pharmaceutical dinner recently and I shared it.

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Because there was a lot of different healthcare providers there.
It was a really good presentation.
It was on a long-acting injectable. So as you know, in the field of psychiatry,
even though I don't practice psychiatry, I consult in forensic and addiction
psychiatry, and I've been doing that for 15 years.
So I'm pretty well-versed in it. Did you say, I'm sorry, did you say injectable? What was that?

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Yeah, so long-acting injectables or LAIs.
So the dinner program, And it was a brilliant psychiatrist, Dr. Meyer.
I can't remember his first name, but Dr. Meyer from UCLA or UCSD.
He's a psychiatrist there who talked about, and it was a specific drug product,
a specific program and product.
It was a long acting injectable, LAI.

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And LAIs are really good because they solve a problem in psychiatry called noncompliance.
And that's basically where a patient stops taking their medication because they
don't like the side effects or they think they're, they think they are better
and don't need them anymore or some similar reason to that.
So long acting injectables are great because you don't have to worry about a patient taking a pill.

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So basically they receive an injection and that injection, depending on the product.
Lasts anywhere from one, two, three, and they're getting up to six and 12 months.
So you don't have to worry about a patient missing their doses or forgetting
to take pills or things like that, especially with conditions like schizophrenia
or bipolar or major depressive disorder that's refractory or resistant,

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treatment resistant, that can really throw off a person's life.
And so it's hard to have a good quality of life if you go back into psychosis
or you You go back into manic episodes with bipolar disorder or things like
that. It's really, you can't hold down a job.
You know, it just, it doesn't work that way. And with major depressive disorder
or people with panic disorder and other things.

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So those long acting injectables are really, really helpful in terms of compliance
because you don't have to worry about whether a patient has taking their pills
or faking to their, whoever makes sure that they're taking their pills,
whether they're faking it or spitting them out or anything like that.
That just happened to a very good friend of mine.
He self-diagnosed the fact, like you said, that I'm better. You know,

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I'm halfway through my medication.
I'm better. And I don't like what these are doing to me a little bit as far
as impotence or whatever.
He was struggling with some of the side effects. And he just stopped and literally lied to his doctor.
Like, yeah, I'm still taking these, you know, and I feel great.
They're working real well. So I could see. And then, you know, it happened.
Boom. I mean, he just crashed hard. It was it was it was bad.

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And so I can see how that could really be helpful.
I'm normally against something like that because I'm worried about you to inject
something for that long that has that long of a lifespan inside you.
But in this case, boy, it would have really made a difference for my friend, for sure.
So long-acting injectables have really been increasing in prevalence from drug

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makers for conditions like treatment-resistant depression or bipolar disorder,
and especially for schizophrenia.
So there was a dinner program by a pharmaceutical company that I attended,
and we were going around the room,
and they usually ask you to introduce yourself or something like that.
In this case, it wasn't just physicians or MDs at the meeting.

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It was therapists. It was counselors.
It was office staff, facilities, treatment centers, hospital personnel, all kinds of people.
So it was a broad audience. but one of the psychiatrists there asked me about
why I didn't go into psychiatry.
And I kind of, and one of the things that I explained to him was, was this concept is.
You know, kids always have heroes when they're growing up. You know what I mean?

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Usually, I think most kids do. I did.
And, you know, Freud was one of my heroes because Sigmund Freud,
number one, he was brilliant like Einstein, but he transitioned from neurosurgery to psychiatry.
So he doesn't start off as a psychiatry. So wait a minute. So wait a minute.
Yes, most kids have heroes.
It's Superman. It's Kobe, Brian.

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So yours was Sigmund Freud? Absolutely. That's awesome.
And I discovered him by my parents' bookshelf.
So my parents, highly educated, always had a huge bookshelf with all these books.
And once I got old enough, I got curious. And I'm like, oh, really?
Psychoanalysis. What is that? Oh, sociology.
What's that? And I mean, I was at a curious mind. So I found that.

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And the thing about it is Freud, like I said, Freud didn't start off as a psychiatrist.
He started off as a neurosurgeon, somebody who did brain surgeries.
And he transitioned because he knew the anatomy of the brain and understood that.
And so he wanted to go to the mind, which is basically how the anatomy of the
brain functions. I never knew that about Freud. That's interesting.

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Yeah. flash forward to today where psychiatrists do 15 and 20 and 30 minute
medication management appointments all day long.
That's all they do is prescribe pills and manage their, make sure their patients
are taking their pills, that they're working, that they're not having any negative
symptoms or positive symptoms or whatever side effects and things like that. And that's all it is.

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And when I discovered that during medical school.
I said, I can't do that. I can't just go from patient to patient every 20 minutes.
Are your meds working? Are there any side effects?
Okay, let's keep this going. Okay,
next person. It's become med care and sentimental care. Yes, absolutely.
That's a brilliant way to say it. So absolutely. So I was just like,
so, you know, I did all this.

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I, you know, I went through college, did well, was pre-med and pre-law in college,
went to law school, then went to med school.
I'm in med school. I'm about to finish med school. And all I'm going to be doing
for the next 30 years of my life is handing out pills.
I'm like, this just isn't going to work for me. This isn't me.
I wish I'd been told this a long time ago when I was in college,

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but that's what it is, sadly.
And here's the thing about it. A lot of doctors, and this is why there's such
a dissatisfaction and burnout and exhaustion for physicians because a lot of
doctors aren't doing what they want to do.
And doctors know that. The general public probably doesn't know that because
doctors don't discuss that with the general public, but it's true.
A lot of doctors, the residency process or the process of getting a residency,

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you get choices. You get a choice one, two, three, et cetera, et cetera.
And you may not get your first choice. So let's say you're this guy,
you've worked your tail off at the top of your medical school class,
the top of your college class, the top of your high school class.
You wanted to be an orthopedic or a heart surgeon, and you didn't match in that.
And you're going to be doing family medicine and vaccine shots for the rest of your life.

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It's not what a lot of people think it is. So a lot of doctors,
and I know tons of them, are not doing.
And as soon as they get a chance to transition to something else,
especially outside of medicine, they're gone.
So for me, I'm true to myself. I've always been true to myself.
And I always believe that you'll be successful if you're true to yourself and
your relationship with God in the universe or whatever your belief system is.

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So for me, it doesn't matter if.
If my passion is for raking leaves, then that's what my passion is for.
If my passion is for car design, that's what it's for. It doesn't matter.
And I don't care what people think, but I have to do what's in sync and in line
with who I am, my purpose, my design by this universe.

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And so how are you able then to buck, not
only buck the trend of just handing out
the pills to treat something which
we know like you said it just it masked it it doesn't treat it
so how are you able to take people below that and get them convinced right in
a world of instant gratification and oh i'm just here to get a pill how are

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you able to to counsel people say listen you know do you want this fixed or
do you want to just be medicated how do you get over that that,
that hump so that they'll work with you.
And see, yeah. And see, the funny thing is that's such an obvious question.
And it's the same question you raised during our prior podcasts,
if you recall, but yeah, it's not easy.

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And here's the thing. I don't really try to convince people.
I don't, I really don't, you know, I try to reason with people and I try to
share information with them, but I don't try to convince them.
If somebody wants to try an instant fix, if that's their mindset,
they're going to do it. I'm not going to be able to convince them otherwise wise anyway.
So I don't try to do that. What I try to do is bridge the gap.

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So I look at myself as a gap bridger.
And I even have a bridge the gap session that people can come for to help bridge
the gap between who they've been in the past and who they want to be. It's a process.
But what I try to do is help people who don't want to be on a medication and
who otherwise would not get any help at all.

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That's kind of where I see myself and what I do.
If somebody wants an instant pill, they're going to get it, whether it's Adderall
for ADD or just to help them perform better in school, or depression or anxiety.
Xanax or whatever, regardless of whether it's addictive or not.
And here's the thing, people don't get told the truth when they go for those

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appointments and get prescribed and use a pill.
They don't get told, oh, well, by the way, there's
a higher incidence of Parkinsonism or Alzheimer's
if you take this at this dose for more
than two years or five years they don't get told that
stuff or there's a risk that you're going to have a movement disorder if you
take this drug or there's a risk that you're going to become dependent

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if you take xanax every day or whatever
they don't get told that when you see the long the i mean the the people who
will stay on xanax or valium or or whatever for 2030 i mean they'll never go
off it they'll never go off and it ruins a lot of family member who's who's
been on adivan i think it's Ativan.

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I think it might have been something before Ativan. One of the safer ones.
Ativan is one of the safer ones. Yeah, no, seriously. And here's the thing.
They don't get told that during their appointments when they get handed.
Here's something that's going to help you.
Oh, by the way, it's going to cause you to have memory loss,
to decline cognitively slowly over time, higher incidence,

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Alzheimer's or Parkinson's or medication induced dementia or memory loss or
anything. They don't get told that stuff and addiction.
They don't. And that's why we have epidemics. That's why we have an opioid epidemic.
That's why we have a benzodiazepine epidemic. That's why we have a stimulant epidemic.
And when you read about some of this stuff, so like, for instance,

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there was, I'm sure you remember this, but there was that guy,
I'm sure you remember, I think his last name is Freed or Freedman.
He's the guy who got in all that trouble over that trading platform. Yeah.
Sam Berkman or- Uh-huh. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Freed, Bankman Freed. Yeah, yeah, yep. And he had this huge trading platform,

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and he took money from that and lent it to another organization.
And then that one lost money, and everybody called in their bets.
And next thing you know, it wasn't worth anything.
But here's the thing. He was treated with high doses of Adderall.
And I can't remember what it was. It was something crazy.
It was like 200 milligrams a day of Adderall when the regular dose is just like 10 or 20.

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He was at 10 times that. I mean, his mind was just – it was like he might have
been on methamphetamine.
But did he go in to get that because it helped him stay up 20 hours a day to
do this trading around the world?
So here's the thing, and this is why people use stimulants, even people who
don't have ADD, because it raises your IQ and your cognition.

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It allows your brain to do more things, remember more things,
work faster, all those things. And so people abuse it. It's very common in law schools.
It's very common in medical schools, very common in college.
And it's an epidemic, but nobody talks about it. And so here's this guy who's
caused one of the biggest financial crashes in U.S. history,

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specifically with cryptocurrency.
And what do you see? High doses of Adderall for years and years and years.
And that's not the only one. So when you read about some of these people who
do all this fantastical stuff, and it's like, how did this young kid do all this stuff?
And there's more to the story. And usually it involves stimulants. I think they chase that.

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Once you get that certain taste of fame or success, the fear of losing that is incredible, right?
So you will do anything, whether it's an athlete who will take some steroids,
whether the guy like this who needs to go 16 hours isn't enough.
I need to go 18 hours. 18 hours isn't enough because I got to trade in Europe,

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then I got to trade in Asia, then I got to trade in America,
right? It's not 20 hours and we'll push it, push it, push it.
But at some point, something's going to drop, right?
I mean, a ball is going to drop. You can't keep that going forever.
And so here's the thing about it. I mean, I've never written about this and
I've never done a podcast about it, but it's certainly true.

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If you look at huge financial crises and crashes and just crazy stuff that people
have done with a lot of money, rash stuff that doesn't make sense,
it's not logical, it's not ethical,
You'll see Adderall there all the time, but nobody talks about it. Nobody talks about it.
With athletes, it's doping, or it's testosterone, or growth hormone,

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and stuff like that. When they do crazy stuff, it's like, okay.
Or wrestlers or whatever, and these people go on these anger tirades.
Road rage, Adderall half the time, or too many cups of coffee from Starbucks.
So we have a stimulant epidemic in this country that nobody talks about. out.
And so, you know, my thing about it is, is, is until something happens,

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usually people don't enter mental health and wellness or self-improvement until
something happens that faces forces them.
Most people don't wake up and go, Oh, you know what? I want to be a better person. Let me call Dr.
Wright and let me get a self-help book. Most people don't do stuff like that.
They just don't think like that.
So most people enter mental health or self-improvement or some other kind of
program when life forces them to do it. And they know that the alternative is worse.

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I can either do this, take this medication, go to this doctor,
or what just happened to me that I hadn't planned on is going to continue to
happen, and I can't live that way.
Well, a good friend of mine just crashed and burned.
He started with an issue with grief, and then it became a little bit too much
of the booze, completely affected his body physically, but now he's in pretty rough shape.

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We're talking about this with my wife, who's 21 years sober,
And, you know, when it hits the wall, like you say, some people can go into AA and get treatment.
Some people have to go into forced 90 days, you know, in a home.
Some people have to go in the hospital because they've done damage to their body.
So you're right. I mean, sometimes even if you know in your heart stuff's going

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down the wrong path, you know, you know you need help.
You know the stuff you got to do. Sometimes you just, you don't do enough self-care
to take yourself into someone like Dr. Wright and say, Dr.
David, I need help. You know, I'm going down the wrong path fast.
And how could we stop me from hitting the wall? But in our society now,
it's getting a little bit better to be able to admit that something's wrong.

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But for the longest time, boy, you just didn't admit that.
Yeah, absolutely. I mean, there's still so much shame and stigma,
you know, attached to it. And, you know, and the thing about it is,
and this goes back to what we were talking about.
We were discussing having the episode, and this is one of those grand kind of
concepts that I truly believe in, and it's applicable to medications and other things.

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Nothing in life is free. If you want it and you want to have it and you want
to have it the right way and the good way and the way that's long-term and sustainable,
it's going to cost you something.
And that's true with medications, too. If you get an instant fix to anything,
there's a price to pay, right?
You can have anything you want if you want to pay the price, right? Right.
If you're if your car has a problem and you want to get it fixed instantly right

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now, you don't want to leave your desk.
You want somebody to come out to your office and fix your car.
They'll do it. It'll cost you a lot of money.
Now, if you if you don't want to pay a lot of money, then you'll call the dealership
or you'll call a couple of auto repair places.
You'll call your friends, find out who's good, who's reputable,
who doesn't overcharge, who's fair, who's reasonable, all those kind of things.

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And you'll spend less money. But if you want instant gratification,
you can get it. If you want filet mignon and lobster mac and cheese and roasted
asparagus delivered to your office, there's somebody who's happy to do that for the right price.
You can get anything for the right price, but the question is how much it's
going to cost you in the long term. So nothing in life is free.
And the thing about it is instant gratification or believing you can get something

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either free or instantly is
a trap because you're going to have to do the work later on anyway. way.
And all you're doing is, it's kind of like, I always tell people this when it comes to dieting.
I have a lot of clients who read my book, The Nutrient Diet,
and they want to lose weight or they want to keep their weight in check or they
want to make some lifestyle changes slowly or quickly or whatever they want to do.

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And I always say this, if you have a taste for something, give it to yourself.
Just do it in a smaller proportion.
You know, if you have a taste for filet mignon, then get an eight ounce filet
mignon, eat half of it and have vegetables. You know, I post what I eat on Facebook
almost every day and people are just like, oh, my God, how do you eat those
that many calories and you're not as big as a hippo?

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And I'm like, because I don't I don't put this on my post, but I usually only eat half of it.
My rule is I finish all the vegetables on the plate and the rest of the stuff
when I'm full, full. I don't stuff myself.
And I usually have something that's left over for lunch or breakfast or whatever,
you know. And I mean, that's kind of where the concept of an omelet comes from.
Omelets, French omelets, that's where they come from. You take whatever's left

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over, you chop it up, you throw it in between some eggs, and that's an omelet.
That's where that concept came from. Brilliant.
Yeah. So whether it's filet mignon or some chicken or whatever.
Add some vegetables to it, stir it up, get some eggs, make it into a scramble
or an omelet, and you got another meal out of it.
And you post some amazing stuff, man. Give yourself a food you post.

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And here's what people will do. They'll say, you know what? This is what I really
want. But you know what? I'm trying to lose weight. So I'm going to have this instead.
They try to find a substitute, right? That's called substitution.
And then what they'll do is the substitute won't satisfy them and then they'll
go and have what they wanted anyway.
But now they've had what they wanted plus something else. So if they had just
had what they wanted in the first place and gotten that in a slightly smaller

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proportion, they would have had 300 calories.
But now that they've substituted something for 400 calories and then gone back
to what they really wanted anyway, now they're at 800 calories.
You got the other side of that of people going to fake food.
It's like, well, I'm going to substitute margarine for butter.
Because I think that that's going to help, right? I'm going to substitute egg,

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substitute baked egg stuff instead of just real eggs, right?
Or I'm going to do something like this because I'm told that this has less fat, less sugar, whatever.
The challenge is for them to get it to that stage has usually completely screwed
up whatever nutrients might have been there, right?
And so going that way, it's worse for you.

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Well, and here's the thing too. So one thing is you're not going to get the
nutrients that you want from that anyway, from the powdered eggs or the genetically
modified, whatever it is. But here's the secondary problem.
And this is why we have a rise in autoimmune conditions in Western nations.
When you put that foreign stuff that your body that has evolved over millions

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of years into your body, your body uses it and your body uses it compared to
what it's supposed to be.
And then your immune system doesn't recognize what it's been built and it starts
attacking it so you get all these people with all these immune conditions ms
and lupus and Sjogren's syndrome and.

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Ulcerative colitis and you know all
these autoimmune conditions just amyloidosis and
sarcoidosis and you know they're just all over the place and
it's just like okay well what's causing this well because you're putting stuff
in your body that wasn't available to our species cc's
for millions of years and but like i'll talk about with the
medicine that's the last place a normal doctor is

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going to look when you walk into the doctor with all the items you
just mentioned all the things you just mentioned the last thing a normal md
is going to go well let's look at your diet diet yeah that's the last thing
they're going to say they're going to go let's do these tests let's do this
let me put you on a pill let me do all this crap right instead of going what
are you eating right what are you putting into your body that's the first question

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they should be asking me?
That is the first question, because that's where metabolism starts.
That's where physiology starts. That's where biochemistry starts with the stuff you put in.
It's the building blocks, just like you're going to build a house.
If a house falls in or collapses or needs repairs, you look at the building blocks, right?
You don't start at the roof. You look at the base. You don't put more wood on

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top of the wood that's rotted.
You look at the wood that was there in the first place or the brick or the foundation or whatever.
But that's not what we do because that doesn't make money. And so here's the thing about it.
It's a racket. And, you know, the first thing you should be looking at is what
you put in your body, because your body will use almost everything you put in it.
The question is, is what does your body think about it? And what does your body

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do with it? And is it providing you with fuel?
And generally speaking, it's not. It's not uncommon to find people who've been
on Prozac or another SSRI or antidepressant for 20 years straight,
only to find out they're not depressed.
They have a thyroid problem. It's ridiculous.
They have a thyroid problem. That's been the problem all along.

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Or how many people are forced into this drastic weight loss program or diet
change, all these different things, when it was their thyroid that was making them fat all along?
And it was Monjaro and Wagovi and all these weight loss drugs and all these things.

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If you don't get to the root cause of the problem, you're just treating a symptom. them.
And so if somebody is gaining weight quickly and things like that,
you don't just reverse the weight. You find the reason why.
But we don't do that. We're looking for a quick fix. We don't want to know the
reason why. And that's sad. And here's the thing.
You're going to create more problems because once you go on Manjaro or Wagovi

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or one of these things, next you know, you've been using it for a year or two
and you can't move your bowels.
And I know people like that who cannot move their bowels. And when you read
about all the side effects associated with these weight loss,
these instant fixes, and you will lose weight.
But most of the people that I know have gained it back.
And now they have nausea all the time. They vomit all the time.

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They can't keep food down.
They can't move their bowels because you're messing with all these things downstream
in your physiology that you don't know about.
If you take away your appetite, How is that happening?
You know, it's through insulin or glucagon and all these other chemicals and
hormones that your body uses and has brilliantly created over time to work right.

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And instead of finding out the real reason why you're gaining weight,
maybe it's your thyroid, maybe it's your diet, maybe you're missing something.
No, just take a pill and keep doing whatever you're going to do.
And then you're going to end up with two problems. the problem that was originally
there, and then the additional problems that are caused by the drug that you're
using to mask the symptom from the real problem that you have.

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Because like we talked about, because there's no free lunch,
there's no easy- No free lunch.
You spent 30 years putting on 150 pounds, you're not going to get rid of 30
years of that weight in a week just by doing something that's going to completely alter your body.
And again, this is what initially attracted me to you, and I know we talked
about it on this first podcast, is that the fact that you're willing to look

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at an all-encompass health source.
Like I'm going to treat your body, I'm going to treat your mind,
I'm going to treat your soul, I'm going to treat your health,
I'm going to treat your happiness.
I'm going to try to encompass all of this instead of just covering this up, placating you,
maybe giving you something to help you lose your weight, giving something to

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make you feel good mentally, covering it up with all this crap,
which we know is a dead end road or worse,
you know, you're significantly hurting yourself in the long run.
But makes billions and trillions of dollars for companies.
And that's the whole thing about it. And here's the thing. So one relevant example
right now is, you know, the temperatures.
I mean, these waves of heat and stuff across the nation and things like that.

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And during this time of year and other times of the year, too,
a lot of people complain and say, you know what? I'm tired all the the time.
I'm lethargic. I'm exhausted.
I feel like I'm low on energy. Well, half the people walking around,
the real problem is they're dehydrated.
They're not drinking enough water and they'll take all these pills.
Oh, well, I'm going to take this so I don't feel so tired. They take a stimulant

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or they take something that dehydrates them even more when the real problem
is they're not drinking enough water.
I've got friends who say, I don't know. The problem is I had like six Diet Cokes today.
I feel like I'm drinking enough fluid.
I'm like, dude, no, no, no. That's not fluid.
Diet Coke is so bad for you. Oh, it's poison.
It's poison. The sodium, the fake sugar, the aspartame, all the stuff that's in there, it's awful.

(28:26):
It tastes awful, too. They're completely doing the opposite of what they should
do. They think they're hydrating, but they're doing the exact opposite of hydrating.
They're dehydrating. And then the other thing is we didn't touch on before,
but I wanted to touch on with you.
I learned a new phrase about the FDA.
Ah, poop. Now I left it. I should have wrote it down. But the FDA is approving

(28:46):
that appeal crap that you can put on food to keep it healthy.
Fresh for 150 years that bill gates
appeal thing you know the one i'm talking about have you seen it so
there's just there's just 150 years forever i
mean basically it's just the the logic behind it
sounds like dog food oh it's well it's
bill gates deal right so the logic behind a people

(29:08):
he's always talking about well i'm going to help people in
other countries they don't have refrigeration and stuff like that
so to help elongate the life of
food fresh fruits and vegetables and
stuff like that is i'm going to spray it with this stuff called appeal
cute name right and then it's going
to keep it fresh for longer right well the challenge is now it's coming to america

(29:31):
it's coming everywhere and they're even going to let it start being sprayed
on organic food now so you're taking i've never heard of it it's called peel
you You've got to look this stuff up. It's absolute poison.
So the FDA has now approved it, right? Yeah, take a look real quick.
What was it called? Appeal?
Appeal, like A-P-P-E-A-L, like appeal. Oh, wow.

(29:53):
Okay. And the terminology that the FDA used was so interesting in their approval.
If you just look at what the FDA, look at the FDA approval of it and look at the term.
It's like, it's something to the effect of, well, we kind of think it's okay.
Right. So we're going to approve it. What do you mean? You kind of think it's okay.

(30:14):
No, it's either because you know down the road this is going to come back to
bite them in the ass like most of the stuff that they approve, right?
But the FDA doesn't function the way that it used to. No.
They're just an arm of the corporations now. Bingo.
Absolutely. They approve what is going to get them grants or money or funding.

(30:36):
Or when these guys, the FDA, they've got a job waiting for them somewhere. where it's all baloney.
But this appeal is scary because they did have to put a label on it,
And now they're pressing, since it's got FHA approval, they may not have to
label it. So you don't know if you're eating this or not.
And once they start putting in organic, she thinks you're getting fresh organic

(30:57):
food that's sprayed with this poison. It's unbelievable.
Now, when is that going to come back to bite us? Right.
How long is that going to take until we're going, oh, wow, we screwed that one
up. You know, it's coming.
You know, wow. So I'll definitely be checking that out.
But, you know, here's another thing that's similar to that is the whole thing.

(31:19):
Remember, probably I'm trying to think the exact around the exact year,
but I believe it was around 2000,
2002, 2003, when they first started talking about genetically GMO,
genetically modified foods. Yep. Yep.
And and they were talking about specific and now they're, you know,

(31:40):
they're all these companies now that make impossible meat and things like that.
And, you know, and all this stuff. But here's the thing.
I remember when they were talking about it and when it first came out,
there was a rule that they didn't have to put a label on it.
And I think it was later on that they determined that they could put a label on it.
And I remember right after they came out with that, you know,

(32:00):
I love a good, you know, good old fashioned cheeseburger, hamburger,
mushroom and Swiss burger, you know, bacon and cheddar or whatever.
Ever. I love a good burger.
And I remember I went to Walmart or somewhere and I got a burger.
And if you grow up in America and your family eats hot dogs and hamburgers and

(32:20):
stuff like that, you learn how to make a hamburger patty and you know what it
feels like and you know, all that kind of stuff.
But I made this hamburger patty and it just did not feel right.
And it was really cheap too. And I was just like, this is not natural beef.
I don't know. And it didn't cook right and it made this weird
kind of red stuff in in

(32:42):
the skillet and i'm like i don't know what the hell this is but this is not
a hundred percent b i don't know what this is well and you look at you look
at the stuff that they put in that now that it's cheaper and the additives that
they can put in there but you also look at if you go to the store and you buy 100 percent.

(33:02):
Angus beet or usa beef the ingredients are beef
and you go to this other beyond beef
or whatever this other garbage is and you read the ingredients you go wait a
minute expo tell me i'm healthier eating that when for you know 8 000 years
i've been eating that i mean come on it's it's absolutely absurd 80 million

(33:24):
years you're probably too young to remember this but when they first were trying
to push aspartame down our throat.
They mailed everyone in the United States.
Gumballs. You got to look this one up. And they had those red gumballs.
I had that weird, nasty. They were like blue, green, red, right.

(33:45):
They were, they were gross. Five colors of, of gumballs flavored with aspartame
to say, Hey, try these. You don't need sugar.
This stuff's delicious. delicious and they let
them send everyone in the country these
gumballs and and you're going
how is that okay how is that

(34:06):
okay that's complete madness you know because it's like
mailing everybody cigarettes yeah or mailing
everybody a bag of weed or some cocaine right well and when the kids to sell
the the candy cigarettes right so kids i remember that i had i had i had i that
That was one of my favorite candies when I was a kid. And then I ended up becoming a smoker. Yeah.

(34:30):
Yeah. For 30 years. I mean, these things that they do, I thought those,
those, those candy cigarettes were so good.
And I mean, I mean, and then I ended up becoming a smoker.
Yeah. Yeah. Because it's you, you had that, that reflex reaction.
I remember when they had them in bubble gum, where you took off the wrapper
and you either had the bubble gum or you had the candy version that had a little tip, the whole thing.

(34:53):
But see, this is, This is how they program it, right? They start it with...
You know, like they did with margarine, which we know margarine is complete
poison, right? They get enough doctors to come out and say, hey,
cigarettes are good for your lungs, right?
And then they get enough doctors to say, hey, you know, you're going to have
a heart attack if you eat too much butter.
So you should eat margarine. It's like, wait a minute, we've been eating butter forever.

(35:18):
And we didn't have heart attacks like this. Margarine is poison, right? Right.
Yep. And then and then after they push that for 20 or 30 years,
then they came back or parties came back and go, oh, well, you know what?
Cardiologists and stuff. Well, you know, it's actually better and more healthy if you eat this.
If you eat the butter in smaller proportions instead of eating the margarine,

(35:41):
because the margarine causes all these other problems. Yeah.
And that's the thing about it. You talked about the autoimmune diseases, the inflammation.
Information well that's the thing about it it's it's it's corrupt and
they you won't get the real information and by the time
you find out it's 20 30 years down the road it's
too late yeah yeah and that's what i think what this stuff is for 30 we're gonna

(36:02):
see with this appeal stuff right this is what we're gonna see with some of this
rmna stuff i mean like we talked about on the first podcast rmna stuff like
you say some of it's gonna be very helpful for you but on the other
hand maybe some of it's not so helpful for you i think
we're going to be seeing some stuff that they're pushing now that we're
going to look back and say wow you know

(36:23):
but they don't care they get the drug companies get immunity you can't sue them
you can't see the government the fda just slams it the people who approved it
are long gone right they got their their golden parachutes that they don't care
but in the meantime we're the ones stuck with all these problems yep absolutely
Absolutely. Absolutely.

(36:43):
It's scary. There's no accountability.
What's the deal with this? We were kind of going to chat on that too,
but I'm sorry I got us on that first issue with the psychiatry,
psychology, because it's so interesting to me.
But this free society thing that we were going to talk about.
And for me, my wife worked for the county in the welfare to work program forever.

(37:08):
So it used to be where it was a hand up, not a hand out.
People look for work. You help them look for work. They check in.
Hey, how's it going? Looking for work. Now you literally cannot even ask someone
on assistance if they're looking for work.
Yeah. I mean, give me more, give me more, give me more.

(37:29):
Well, and then one word comes to mind in title mints and the word underlying
it entitled entitlement.
And people aren't entitled these these days. And that's and so,
you know, and that brings us back to what we were talking about before.
And it's a shortcut, just like a lot of pills. Not every pills.

(37:51):
There are a lot of pills that are good for you. You know what I mean?
And sometimes you have to take a pill, period.
But it shouldn't be the first thing you go through. It's a shortcut.
And if it's a shortcut for you, you're using it as a shortcut, there's a price to pay.
The same thing is true when you get stuff for free.
If you give stuff to people for free, it teaches them that they're supposed
to get it automatically and that they don't have to work for it.

(38:13):
And what they do is they work less. And if you go back, you know,
when you go back, you know, to the laws of physics and things like that,
Newton's law, specifically bodies in motion tend to stay in motion and bodies
at rest tend to stay at rest.
And so if you've got somebody sitting around getting stuff, you think one day

(38:34):
they're going to wake up and go, you know what? I need to contribute.
I'm going to start working. No, they're going to be like, this is nice.
I'm comfortable now. Now they're going to get, you know, in California,
I think they added it up to about $49,000 a year.
You can earn theoretically, whatever the term is, $49,000 a year,

(38:54):
not working right between the rent assistance and medical assistance,
your free phone, your snap cards,
all the things that you get equals to about $49,000 a year now in California.
So you've got people after COVID lockdown going, why should I go back to work?
I'm not going back to work. this is great my challenge was
and i know my my wife alicia and i've talked about this a

(39:16):
lot because she did it like i said for almost 30 years is that the
generational effect that it had you know grandma was on assistance had the kids
now now the daughters are on assistance they had the kids now their kids are
on assistance they can and it and it and it just completely changes an entire
generation of people and it's it's horrible you know it's horrible what this has done.

(39:40):
Well and you know and you know,
You know, I'm not a big fan of stereotypes, but what I can say is some stereotypes are true.
And I mean, you know, that doesn't mean every stereotype is true,
but some stereotypes are true.
And, you know, here's the thing is you've got these generate just like you have
generations of trauma and mental health and things like that.

(40:01):
You've got generations and you could you could almost say that it's a mental health issue, too.
But you've got generations of people who are trapped in entitlement.
You know, you've got the grandmother who had, you know, eight kids and was on assistance.
And you've got the daughter who has eight kids. You know, one of the daughters
has six kids and she's on assistance.

(40:21):
And five of the other daughters are on assistance. And the next generation is on assistance.
And it's just this huge warp where people get kind of trapped into this intergenerational
system of de-empowerment.
They're not being empowered.
That's the opposite of entitlement. entitlement when

(40:42):
you're entitled that de-empowers you
you can't be entitled and empowered at the same time it just it doesn't work
that way just like something can't be an asset and a liability at the same time
it can't be a proton and an electron at the same time not that i know of you
know and i'm not a physicist but it just doesn't work that way so the thing about it is.

(41:04):
You know, once you start giving stuff away or giving people things or making
them think it's free, then they're never going to get out of that system. And here's the thing.
It's not free anyway. Just because you didn't pay for it doesn't make it free.
It means somebody else funded it for you.
There is no such thing as free.

(41:25):
If you get something and that's that's another law of physics matters,
you know, neither destroyed or created. it just transfers from one form to another.
So if something transfers to you, it didn't just appear, it got transferred
from someone else. Somebody else funded it and paid for it.
And you're right. I don't want to generalize or I don't want to pigeonhole any

(41:48):
type of people in any sense, because it's true.
If there was abuse, physical, mental,
sexual abuse in a family, many times
that transfers a person who was abused end up being
an abuser and it go and it goes on you know
through through the different family chains same thing with alcoholism
you could see you know the grandfather was an alcoholic dad was an alcoholic

(42:11):
one of the children alcoholic i mean so it's not you know we don't want additional
anyone just just on entitlements and stuff like that but it but it's it that
dynamic is so strong right and unfortunately it it hasn't gotten better Right.
It's not like we're like working to empower people to get them better.
It seems like we're going the other way.

(42:32):
Right. Where it's like, let's let's lock people down more and and subdue people
more by giving in the gambling, giving them the legalized drives.
Giving them the the the games and, you know, and keep them distracted.
Which keeps them to having the motivation to want to do like what you do.
And that's why I just love you.

(42:53):
You're a grower, you're a builder, you're a thinker, you're a risk taker,
you know, you're always pushing.
It's just so rare to find people who are doing that anymore.
Well, you know, I appreciate you saying that, you know, and I think that is
also a generational thing.
I mean, when I look at when I look at my parents, they were highly educated.

(43:14):
They didn't grow up privileged or anything.
My grandparents the same way. My grandparents became teachers and they they
started off as sharecroppers.
And that's one step away from slavery. I mean, my grandparents started off as
sharecroppers and they died millionaires. and it was because they worked hard
and they, they, they didn't not work is a better way of putting it. They did.

(43:37):
They just had a work ethic and, and, you know, that's a big difference between
what's being pushed now.
I mean, when I, I, when I go somewhere like a restaurant or something or a store
or something, I see people like doing nothing.
And I'm just like, when I worked, I worked all through school.

(43:58):
When I was old enough to mow lawns and be independent, I moved all my grandparents'
real estate properties and made tons of money, thousands of dollars during the summer doing it.
And I did it. I didn't ask for raises.
I didn't do anything. I did it, and I made money. You didn't go on strike?
No, I didn't go on strike. I didn't ask for masks.

(44:19):
I just did the work, and I got it done. And when I was old enough after that.
In addition to doing mowing lawns for my grandparents and their real estate
properties and stuff, I started working in a concession stand at the local games.
And then after that, when I got old enough, or actually...
Technically, before I was legally old enough to work, I actually lied about

(44:43):
my age and started working at a store at the mall at age 15.
And I worked my tail off. I worked full time all through high school.
I worked full time all through college.
I even worked full time in our med school's library while doing three master's
degrees consecutively in medical school.

(45:04):
And kids today, now there are exceptions. There are some kids out there who
work their tails off, right?
But kids today expect everything to be handed down.
What do you want to be when you grow up? Oh, I'm going to be like Kim Kardashian.
I'm going to be a social media influencer. I'm going to be an influencer.
Well, is that really a job?

(45:25):
You know, like, I mean, kids have this and I'm not trying to pick on kids,
but a lot of people these days just don't have a work ethic at all.
They think everything is free. And that's the problem. It's not free.
You just didn't pay for it. And I wish that word would just get eliminated from the human vocabulary.
I wish free with the word free would just disappear. Because here's the thing.

(45:47):
Number one, it's not free.
Somebody else paid for it. And then number two, it's disempowering you because
you're not going to grow the mental and physical and other psychological and
emotional muscles that you need,
like a work ethic, that's a muscle, to become resilient and successful if everything's
given to you. Well, look at your grandparents.

(46:07):
I mean, all you had to say was to let us know about them were the two things.
They were sharecroppers.
They were the difference between margarine and paint, right?
They were that close to being slaves, right?
Absolutely. Absolutely. Then you said in the next breath, I grew up mowing the
lawns of their rental properties.

(46:29):
So your grandparents went from...
Technically being slaved, making a tiny wage, being sharecroppers to owning
multiple properties, right?
Because that was their mindset, right?
How many people in their situation did not end up owning multiple rental properties, right?

(46:54):
And instead of your parents looking at everyone else going, well,
no one else is doing it, so we can't do it, right?
Or give me something. Give it to me. We're not going to be able,
we're going to have to stay here because people like us don't move out of where we are.
People like us don't get more. We're here.
And that's what entitlements do. They steal from your soul.

(47:17):
They steal from your drive and your motivation. and and
that is your self-worth when you're waiting
for that check jim rome had a great
idea you know you ever heard of jim rome yeah there you go i love jim rome he
always said you know if you're on welfare that's awesome my wife is on welfare
i've got friends who've been aware people go through challenges right it's you

(47:38):
need a hand up sometime but when you when you're in that housing, right?
And I come to bring you your check, your welfare check on Friday, right?
I'm going to bring you the welfare check and I'm going to bring you a gallon of paint.
And when I come back next week to give you your next welfare check,
this porch should be painted, sanded, and improved, right?

(48:04):
And when I come back the next week, I'm going to bring you something else.
And this house that you're renting or you're getting for
free put a little work into it improve
that i know it's not yours but improve that
house do something you're getting right
because that would give you self-worth and i
think that's the biggest ugliest thing of entitlements and free scrap is it

(48:27):
steals your self-worth and that's horrifying i agree it's de-empowering and
the funny thing is it's the opposite of empowerment and it's,
free so.
You paint something as empowering somebody by giving them something when it

(48:48):
actually de-empowers them.
I do a lot of Section 8 because we own a property management company,
right? I deal with a lot of Section 8. Most landlords won't take Section 8.
Most property managers won't even look at them. We say, bring them on.
I call the caseworkers down there and go, hey, do you have a good family?
I got a great house that would be perfect for Section 8. Good owner.

(49:09):
The house is nice. Not a slumlord, whatever. ever.
I encouraged the Section 8, right? But here's the thing.
When I met these people, this one gal, I'd always tell her, you know what?
Because she knew the system.
Not only did she get Section 8, but she got everything else,
right? She had six kids. I think she claimed 12 kids.
She had a husband and a boyfriend. I don't think she claimed either one of them, right?

(49:31):
But I loved her, right? Because she made me laugh. And I'd always tell her all,
I won't say her name, but I used to tell her all the time. I said, you know what?
If you played it straight and you you use all this knowledge and all this effort
that you use to scan the system. I'd tell her straight out like that. Right.
Because I know what you're doing. I'm going to never turn you in.
It's none of my business, right? You got caseworkers. I go, but if you use this ingenuity.

(49:54):
To put it towards a business sense, girlfriend, you'd be a multimillionaire
because you're brilliant.
You have figured out the scam. You know this system better than the caseworkers.
You know the system better than the government, right?
If you just put this to work, you'd be a multimillionaire.

(50:15):
But it's that mindset of I'm just going to get the man or I'm going to get everything I can.
It's like, no, no, no, no, no. Oh, if you shifted that and she would have been
amazing. She's brilliant.
Well, it's, it's, it's, you know, it's like one of those movies where,
or TV shows, but I think I remember more movies where somebody like plans a

(50:35):
heist, you know, like, uh, you know, oceans 11 or oceans 13 or whatever.
Yeah. And they, they plan some heist and of course it goes wrong and they end
up in prison or something like that.
But, you know, like all the time and energy that you put into planning,
how you were going gonna you know steal the royal jewels
or picasso's and and all this stuff

(50:55):
you know these people will plan this stuff for five years you
know and it's just like okay five years you could
have gone to law school you could have finished college you could have
become a manager and you know like exactly you you're
talking about movies one of my favorite movies has you ever seen the
thomas crown affair with pierce brosman it's
a remake of paul newman and i've fallen

(51:18):
asleep every single time i've tried to watch that
movie it's like pelican brief there's some movies i
don't know if it's the music or the pace it just puts me to sleep i'll
have to i'll have to have some coffee before i watch it next time the reason
i love it is because the guy is brilliant hedge fund guy right i don't know
what the steve mcqueen was from the fifties but the remake with pierce brosman

(51:40):
he's a brilliant hedge fund love pierce brosman actor though one of my favorites brilliant
he's so good in this movie gosh I wish I could remember the gal who played Rene
Russo Rene Russo's in it she is.
These two, the chemistry, they just like flies off the screen.
I can't believe you fell asleep for this. You got to rewatch it.
I have. So these two. Like three times I've tried to watch it and fall asleep.

(52:03):
He is a freaking international art thief.
Like he could buy anything that he steals. Easily he could afford it because
he's a multi-billionaire. But he's lost.
He's so good at what he does. He's bored with it.
Right? So he has. But he's feeling out of boredom. so he's
stealing because that's where he gets the juice i

(52:25):
just think that is such a such life right
i mean like like with you right
when you were talking about when you were in school because i re-watched our
first podcast it's like you know you get that report card it's like hey man
david's brilliant he does amazing work but he's disruptive in the class and
you're like it's because i finish so quickly with what you're giving me i'm

(52:47):
bored the teachers the schools need to challenge me more,
right and and sometimes i think these people
who are on assistance and stuff like that not all of them i don't want
to pigeonhole anybody but i think you know they're bored they need i think a
lot of them have given i think they're bored i think a lot of them have given
up it's it's a combination of things it's it's like addiction addiction isn't

(53:10):
just one thing it's not just receptors it's not just genetics it's the circumstances
of your life at the time and your personality,
and you add up all this stuff.
It's just like, let me think of an example. I always say anything that somebody
else can make, regardless of their culture or heritage, I can make it.
And so I had a taste for some egg drop soup. I love Chinese food.

(53:32):
I love Japanese food. And I was just like, you know what?
If those Chinese women can make egg drop soup, and they've been doing that for
hundreds of thousands of years, why can't I?
I looked at the recipe, and I made egg drop soup, and I even improved upon it.
I made egg drop soup. I love onion soup, French onion soup.
I love mushroom soup or cream of mushroom soup.

(53:53):
And I love spinach soup. So I said, why don't I do egg drop soup with spinach, mushrooms, and onions?
And it was delicious. And I mean, I made it myself from scratch.
And I posted it too. I remember it. I did. And I made it another time. I love egg drop soup.
I mean, I do. But you know, the thing about it is, you know,

(54:13):
it's a process and it's like, okay.
You know if i can if somebody else can do this why can't
i do it you know and i think that's why you like to get
it wrong because the way your brain works
i think that's why you like to cook so much i mean i think you like that process
of the cooking but also it seems like you experiment with it a lot you know

(54:33):
like you said instead of just taking the egg drop soup recipe you're like i'm
gonna take this egg drop soup recipe i'm gonna doctor this up you know i'm gonna
right right Right. And I think because you like to cook.
I mean, I love it. I love to cook. I'm a foodie. I love the taste of food.
But, you know, the thing the thing about it is, is, you know,
you have to be willing to take a risk, you know, and you have to be willing to be wrong.

(54:56):
You know, it I'll tell you, it is not fun when you find a recipe or find something
online and you cook it and you spend an hour making it and baking it and then
you eff it up. You know, that is not fun.
And it's like, okay, well, let's call Domino's because I just messed up this
meal that I've been cooking for three years.

(55:17):
I mean, three hours or whatever. I mean, it's not fun, but you have to take the risk.
You're not going to always get it right the first time.
And I think a lot of times with these people, it's multifactorial.
Number one, you sent them a message that they don't have to work to get stuff,
number one. So you de-empowered them.
Number two, because they're getting stuff and they don't have to fill a need,
they don't feel motivated because why would they feel motivated if you've already have it?

(55:40):
You're not going to be motivated to save up for a car and work summers if your
parents just give you one. Why would you? Because you don't have to.
And then number three, I think it's also boredom.
So when you add those three together, you have a people, a group of people that
you have kind of let know that there's no point in them doing anything or acting.

(56:04):
And that's not good for society and it's generational.
And so their kids are going to learn that and their kids' kids are going to
learn that. And it's just like this black hole.
And so when you look at, I say this and.
Just because I'm multi-ethnic doesn't allow me to say stuff like this.
I figured I'd probably say it anyway, but I am multi-ethnic.

(56:26):
My heritage is African-American, it's American Indian, and it's Jewish.
And the thing about it is I really- Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.
African-American, Indian and Jewish? American, Indian and Jewish. Yeah. Not bad. Yeah.
And here. Have you tried matzo ball soup? Have you tried? I love matzo ball
soup. I will make anything.

(56:46):
I will anything. I make the most incredible. I will challenge any Italian person
out there. And I do it all the time when I go to restaurants.
You know, I make a seven cheese. Yes.
Seven cheese, 13 layer lasagna that is to die for.
And I will challenge anybody's Sicilian or other lasagna. It really, it's incredible.
It costs like $300 and it takes about eight hours to make, but it's incredible. But here's the thing.

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My whole shtick is that if somebody else can do it, I can do it too.
And I want to be the best version of me possible.
And I can pass that on to a future generation.
And that's what my parents taught me. And that's what my grandparents parents taught them.
And I think that work ethic is just there.
And like I said, I'm not just saying this because I'm multi-ethnic,

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but I'm saying this because it's actually absolutely true.
Even though there are exceptions to the rule, when you look at certain groups
of people, certain groups of people become really, really successful in the United States.
Certain groups of people do, and I'll name them all. And if somebody wants to
call me out on it, I'd be happy to have a talk with them. It's a fact.
It's a fact. But certain groups of people have a work ethic.

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And how far back it started, you don't know.
And there are caricatures about it. You know what I mean? Some people will only
go to a Jewish doctor. Jews work hard, right?
People from India who come to this country, 80% of them become doctors.
The rest of them become lawyers, engineers, technicians, stuff like that.

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They have a work ethic. People from Jamaica.
Every person I know from Jamaica has eight sources of income.
I mean, and I remember one of my, I'm a comedy lover, and one of my favorite
shows growing up was in Living Color.
And they'd always have these skits of the Jamaican family versus the family from Trinidad.
And it would go like this, yeah, man, I'm a lawyer, I'm a doctor,

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I own three restaurants, I also am a realtor, and I have 18 other jobs.
And they're like, oh, I got to beat mine.
You know, I'm Haitian or I'm from Trinidad. We got 19 jobs, man.
You know what I mean? Like there's a reason why people joked about that. It's because it's true.
The environment, they have a group of people willing to work hard and do whatever

(59:02):
it takes to achieve whatever they consider to be success.
And they weren't going to give up. They were they didn't care how many jobs it took.
They were going to do what they needed to do to move ahead. I've said this a hundred times.
I say it to people and I'm working with people on housing because I'm always
like, listen, guys, tell me your story.
I worked hard to get you in this house. Love you guys. Love your family.

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I wanted you to have this house, right? You are good people,
but tell me what's the story, right?
And I always tell people, look, there's no such thing as this is the hand I was dealt.
That's complete crap, right? I said, A family that's been here for 150 years
that are still in the same spot.

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And then a family that comes over here from China. And in one generation,
three of the kids are doctors.
The family has a strip mall.
They own a strip mall with a nail salon, a massage parlor. 18 nail salons. Right.
And it's like, how did they come here? Not speaking the language,
not knowing anything, not usually not having any money.

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They put their kids through school. Their kids in next generation now are super successful.
They've bought property. They own businesses. How did that happen? it.
Hard work, sacrifice, and delayed gratification. Those three ingredients do
it. And here's the thing. You're exactly right.
And if you look at certain groups, they do. People from Africa,
people from Africa come over here and within one generation, they're doctors.

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People from India, within one generation, they're doctors or lawyers.
People from Israel, people from, you could go down the list,
but there's certain people, and it's because it's part of their Their culture,
hard work, sacrifice, delayed gratification, values.
Work ethic, fortitude, empowerment, resilience, all those things are part of their culture.

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And that's what we have to do with people. Instead of giving people stuff,
we need to teach them how to be resilient.
And that will go on for the rest of their life. It's another way to control
the people is by giving that stuff and keeping them down and expect their vote
or whatever, but keeping them down.
It's like when I went through my cancer, right, I can't tell you how many doctors

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I had from my dentist to pull out my teeth, from my surgeon,
from my oncologist, from my radiologist.
I mean, through all these doctors that I had, probably nine or 10 doctors,
one was a white woman American. They were Chinese.
They were Indian. They were from Bangladesh.
They were from Mexico. They were from all over the world, right,

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who've come here and become doctors and surgeons and radiologists,
oncologists, right, except this one gal who was born and raised in America.
So, I mean, think about that, you know, out of nine or 10 doctors, only one.
Now, why can't a generation who's been here for 200 years?
What's stopping them except for that mindset, like you said,

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right? That generation and generational.
It's got to stop. I mean, it's got we don't need to import 30 million people
from other countries to work here.
We've got an entire workforce here. I agree.
No, absolutely. Absolutely. And I mean, we shouldn't. And it happens all the
time. And here's the thing.
Instead of, to a certain extent, a lot of people would rather just hand somebody

(01:02:24):
a check rather than teach them.
And that's the sad part. And so the people who've already, the groups of people,
the families, the generations that have already been taught that,
they keep going into perpetuity.
Perpetuity the ones who haven't who have been expecting
a check they go into perpetuity too and then you've got these
vast differences where one group goes in one direction another one goes in another

(01:02:47):
direction and in it in it and it doesn't change over time you know just like
velocity and it's physics too it's not just sociology and psychology it's physics
you know if you hit a ball in a certain direction,
it's going to continue to go in that direction until it stops.
If you hit a baseball with a bat into the field, it's not going to turn back

(01:03:11):
and go the opposite direction. That's not how physics works.
On a cartoon show, it will.
If you're watching Tom and Jerry or something like that, they always play around
with physics and it's funny.
But in real life, that's not how it happens. So it's not just psychology.
It's not just sociology.
It's not just anthropology it's physics yeah

(01:03:33):
it's physics yeah and you know there's gosh
you and i just tear through some time time like
crazy i just look we just touched on five million subjects
it's just awesome but but we're gonna wrap this up because i know you've got
five million just things going on you're just always so busy so i'm just so
grateful for your time and your knowledge on this so just just again dr david

(01:03:56):
i know you've got the podcast which is a fresh start with dr Dr. David?
You've got the podcast, Fresh Start with Dr. David. You've got the offices that you're doing.
You've got three books. I think you said you have another one on the line or something?
No, one of my... No, I was so proud. I think I told you about this one.

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No, it's not another book. Actually, the funny thing about it,
I'll admit this, and I haven't done anything with it.
But after I wrote my books, I came up with a list of like 600 different books
I wanted to write on all kinds of topics relating from physics to psychology
to anthropology to biology and everything else. And I kind of put that on hold.

(01:04:40):
I was just like, you know, I've got time later. But no, here's the thing.
Everybody has a story to tell.
And so one of my clients, she's been a client of mine for four years.
Her name is Phoenix Soul.
We did a two-part series on self-love and self-care.
When she first came to me four years ago, I said, you need to write a book.
You need to teach others. You need to tell your story and you need to help others.

(01:05:03):
And then next thing I know, she contacts me and then she.
Asked me what i thought and presented me with her
book be your by phoenix soul and
she made the bestsellers list and it's a gorgeous book i mean honestly just
the cover brings peace to me i mean having this on my seeing this on my desk

(01:05:25):
when i walk in every day it just brings me peace and and this is a picture of
her right there on the back cover and i mean she's an actress actress. She has a show.
She has a singing, an album. She does all kinds of stuff.
She's a goddess. Holy crap. I told her, I was just like, you need to tell your story.
She's very empathic. And that's one of the ways that we really sync is we're

(01:05:49):
both feelers. We feel things.
And I said, you need to tell your story. You need to write a book.
And then she wrote a book. So it's really good. I've been recommending it to everybody.
I bought five copies, bought one for my mother, my brother,
my dad i brought two copies for me what's
your name what's your name again her name is phoenix and
that's spelled just like phoenix soul and soul is spelled

(01:06:10):
s-o-h-l i believe let me
just make sure okay s-o-h-l she's on
facebook she's one of my facebook friends so you can connect with her
she's one of my facebook friends her book made the bestsellers list
and it's a workbook so it's not a book you just
read it's an interactive thing where it tells you
things it asks you probing questions and it's it's

(01:06:31):
to help you be at peace and to build relationships well not only am i linking
your books to our website we've we're revamping the website so it's coming up
but linking your books to website but i'll get her permission to link her book
to the yeah so people can reach out and kind of take a look on that there but
see that you know that's that's the point here is is.

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Like I mentioned on our first podcast, you were immediately so giving with your
time. You were so engaging.
You know, I know you're a healer. I know you care about people.
And I know you're worried about the direction of things.
And I think that's why we got on that topic of free stuff. We're not picking
on people who are needing assistance.

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We're trying to change the system from the inside out.
Exactly. It's trying to empower people to understand, like that gal who is in
one of our houses on housing.
It's like, I just love her. I tell her every time, I'm like,
oh, you know, come to work with me.
Get your real estate license or do something.
But you have got to take what's in your brain and turn it in a different direction

(01:07:38):
because you are so talented.
And she's young. She's only like 42 years old. So it's like,
well, here's the big thing. It robs them of pride.
You know, I'm proud of what I achieve.
I love having kids. You know, I have a partner with Clayton County School District.
I go out there. I mentor and talk to kids.
I have kids that come out to my office and want to be a doctor who want to do

(01:07:59):
this or want to start a business or whatever.
I have pride. And, you know, you know, pride become a coming before a fall.
It's not a bragful pride. kind of pride.
It's a pride in giving back and magnifying what God has given me, that kind of pride.
And when people sit at home and don't earn things and you de-empower them,

(01:08:21):
they lose that opportunity to be proud, not just of their own work,
but to pass that on to the next generation.
Sharing success, being successful, and sharing that success is not being boastful, prideful.
What that's doing is giving people a direction, showing people that they can

(01:08:41):
do it. And that's what I tell this friend of mine. I tell her all the time, I said, you know what?
It's got to be stressful doing what you do because you're always worried that
other shoes going to drop. They're going to find out about my husband.
It's a job. They created a job. It is a job. And it's harder than if she.
And I said, it's about low.
It's low. Your flow right now is negative.

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Right. You're you're you know, you're making a bunch of money.
You're getting a bunch of free time. But your flow is negative.
You're a leech. Turn that your energy in a direction.
Right. Right now, your flow is going to just take off. It's going to explode.
You're going to have less stress.
You're going to have more money than you think you're getting now. Way more.
And just your energy is going to change. You're going to glow.

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You're going to glow. Big time. You can't glow if you're not proud of what you do.
I mean, I wake up every day and go to bed every night thankful.
I mean, I'm not just saying that. I really do.
And I ask for more. But when I ask for more, I ask for more responsibility.
If I say, God, I want this or I want that, I also say, allow me to do this.

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So if I want this or if I want that, allow me to help 10 more people.
I really do. I believe that.
Yeah. And it's a change of the verbiage. It's a change of the mindset.
It's like, when you get up, you go, ah, crap, I got to go to work.
I got to go to the office. I got to talk to these clients.
No, no, no. I get to go into my office. I get to work. It's a privilege.
I get to help these people, right? It's a privilege. It's just that little change

(01:10:10):
that'll change your whole mindset.
And anyway, we could go on. You're amazing.
I'm just so grateful for you. Once again, how can people reach Dr.
David? And just a quick little blurb for us so that people can get. Yeah.
Yeah. So they can find me on Facebook. I have several, several free,
free, completely free, even though I hate to use that word, but it is free.

(01:10:34):
Actually, it's not free.
You should post and give back in the groups. But I've got several Facebook groups
that you don't have to pay for with money.
And they're empowering. And I post up positive affirmations,
motivational quotes, wisdom, all kinds of things.
And you can find those. One is called Fresh Start with Dr. David, Facebook group.

(01:10:55):
And there are a couple other ones. The biggest one is Grow, capital G-R-O-W, just like it sounds.
And Grow is free. And Grow is the one that's open. So it's not one that's a
private group. So you can join Grow.
You can see what other things people are posting. You can also obviously check
out my podcast, Fresh Start with Dr.
David. I have lots of guests. I have you as a guest. We talked about grief and bereavement.

(01:11:18):
I've got a lot of great upcoming guests where we're going to talk about a lot
of things from the soul to self-empowerment, to renewal, to burnout and exhaustion.
I've got a cardiologist who's a holistic cardiologist coming on next week who
has a holistic approach to treating heart patients or people with hypertension and things like that.
So that's going to be next week. And you can check out my books,

(01:11:39):
The Nutrient Diet, which is diet, nutrition, weight loss, lifestyle management.
And I have two self-improvement books, Tomato Bits for the Brain and Sweet Potato
Pie for the Spirit, Soul and Psyche.
And you can also find me online at www.AtlantaCoaching.com.
Love it. Love it. And I mean, what you're doing, what you're giving back to,

(01:12:00):
man, I love that self-care one about burnout. That's going to be a good one.
Everybody's burned out these days. And technology is part of the reason why people are burned out.
Technology is burning people out. We were supposed to have more time with that
stupid little thing in our hand. It was supposed to free us up. It's not.
It's literally pulling life out of us. It's fool's gold.

(01:12:24):
It's fool's gold. It's fool's gold. Sucking the life out of us.
So that's going to be a good one. Self-care is really huge.
I got a podcast with a friend of mine, Tracy Jepson, where we cover a lot of
that, where she hit the wall. And, you know, what you're doing is huge,
and that's why I love having you on, and I'm grateful for your time.

(01:12:45):
I think more people need to listen to what you're saying, more people need to
engage in what you're doing and help you grow,
because the more people that you can touch, not only does it help you and your
family and your generations, but it's going to help them, and I know that's
what your main focus is. So, Dr.
David Wright, again, please check out Fresh Start with Dr. David at the minimum besides his books.

(01:13:11):
And we really appreciate you being on, my friend. Thank you. Thank you, Gary.
And I look forward to our next episode about grief and bereavement, too. Can't wait.
Yeah. We'll go deep in that one. Take care. Thank you. Bye. See you later. Bye.

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