What will the future bring? What was once an exciting, optimistic and limitless concept has now become something to be anxious about, fear and even criticise. But the future is a journey, not a destination, and while science fiction stories, movies and the design of everyday things often gives us a glimpse of what’s on the horizon, it’s still always tethered to the past. So how do we detach ourselves from outdated modalities and conditioning, ditch the negative baggage and get aboard the future train?
While we don’t know what tomorrow will bring, in this week’s episode Jost and Leon talk about all things past, present and future, and how we all need to play a roll in the redesign of everything - especially ourselves. After a muddy experience with his Mini, Jost gets into the reality of levitation, teleportation and telekinesis which even Western research says is within us all. He also talks about the new paradigms that are needed for us to see what’s already there, the timeless origins of Tai Chi, the need to disconnect from the old and tap into new sources of chi, and the importance of feeling good to create good design from the inside out. Leon discusses the late, great automotive designer Marcello Gandini, how futuristic design is still a reflection of the past, the optimism of the space age, and how we should no longer ask the audience’s opinion on anything.
Jost and Leon also chat about Asimov’s 3 laws of robotics, hoverboards, soul awakenings and the next spiritual revolution, the future of education, the challenges with being a creator, and the dark truth about Star Trek’s teleporters.
If we expect the future to resemble the past we’ll miss opportunities to create the new that’s desperately needed in the world. We can’t overthink it either, we have to just get out there, do it, and feel our way forward. Don’t fear the future, be the future.
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Welcome to the Future Chia podcast. I'm Leon Fitzpatrick. And I'm Jos Stowa.
And we'll be talking about everything from Taoism to design to traditional Chinese
medicine and everything in between.
And we talk about how to make purpose out of life and life out of purpose. Whatever that means.
Join us for our next amazing adventure into the unknown.
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Music.
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Well, here we are again, having a very eventful day up here in the mountains.
Yeah, we've got this beautiful, super slick, city, Mini Cooper,
John Cooper's work, tuned to the max. The thing is a beast. It's so fast.
On the track, on the streets, it's just incredible, especially the winding roads.
And now we're living in the bush. We're living in Crystal Ward on Dirt Tracks.
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And it started raining and now the Mini got blocked in.
And it's absolutely not doing anything because the power in the engine is simply
too powerful for it to do any benefits on nature.
You can't have too much power. Yeah. Too much power. Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes.
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So it's just obviously, once you live in the country, you know,
you may have to decide for a different car.
So you think the low profile tires on the front wheel drive,
two liter, twin turbo charge lowered race car isn't working quite for the environment.
Yeah, it seemed to ease. I'm surprised.
Cause, you know me about that. It's causing struggles. Yeah.
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But on the way in here is a windy road. It's great fun.
Oh, once you pass the dirt aspect and once you pass all the flooding aspect
and you actually got dry road, this is the only thing that can actually keep
up with you is a motorbike. Yeah, I can see that happening.
It's incredible, that thing around the corners.
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I mean, I love that advertising that when Mini started, you know,
10 years ago, those advertising on TV were great. Like this guy takes the Mini
and spins it up on the road, on the mountains.
And on top of the mountains, he opens up a can of soft drink and.
And in screen, everything's just like, can't see anything. Can't see anything.
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He's just shit everywhere.
And, uh, then it's like, dot, dot, dot, Mini. It's the car.
And it said it, what it is. It's, it's, it's, uh, it's, it's for corners.
Yeah. And this is your fifth.
Fifth one. Yeah, my fifth Mini, yeah. So your first one was the original?
The original Mini Cooper. Two-door. Yes, yes. And how did you fit in that?
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The interesting thing is that Mini Coopers look small, but they're actually
very efficient space-wise. So they're actually made for tall people, so it works really well.
So I have so much space in that thing, and I'm 1 meter 96, and I'm leaning back,
and I have like, yeah, to me, they're the best guy.
Yeah, it's a very clever design. Yeah, it's very, it's cute,
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it's individual, it doesn't look anything mundane,
and in particular, it doesn't, when you drive it, it doesn't feel mundane,
and because that's obviously one of the bigger things, because we can't get around not driving,
you know, you've got to go, we have to cover distance, or maybe soon we've got
the ability to levitate.
Soon? Yeah, soon. What do you mean soon? life. There's a lot of research.
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I listened to this podcast today about this. The psychologist who now teaches
telekinesis and actually bodily movements without you actually using any of your bodily functions.
So it's levitational aspect that- Without using your bodily functions.
Yeah. You're actually using your mind. So what you always talk about levitating,
et cetera, which was first come to the public with the transcendental meditation with the Maharishi.
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That's when he first time talked about levitation. And because it only,
that was from that Time magazine when they did a photo of a TM meditator who
had the energy moving through the body too strong and it generated what they
called frog hopping. So the body just actually moved up.
And off the ground. Yeah, off the ground for about 30, 40, 50 centimeters moved up.
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So it was because the energy was so strong and the body jerked and needed to express itself.
And a photographer from the Time magazine actually took a snapshot of that and
it landed on the front cover of the Time magazine and said, Transcendental Meditation,
the Maharishi claims levitation. That was in 1968.
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So, that was the first time that the Western public heard about levitating.
And those who have read the autobiography of a yogi are very familiar with the
levitational skills of the yogi.
And then this new guy, this who is now on board and teaches people this sort
of like telekinesis, moving objects without touch here.
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And it's now taking place in the academic research in the West. Okay.
And that includes also levitation.
So according to them, it's within us.
So one day we will be able to actually move from A to B without actually using a car.
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Would that be like teleport, like changing location, like teleportation?
Yeah, most likely, yeah. Most likely. It's like, boom, you're suddenly there.
Because in the spirit world, you travel distances without actually involving
travel. You suddenly appear. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So with your mind, you can be
instantly in Europe. Yeah. You can be instantly at the end of the world.
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So we know that we can do that. And when we dream, we have all kinds of experiences, yeah?
Yeah, yeah. So it would tell us that this is not possible in form.
Yeah. I mean, when the Tai Chi master punches you, you know exactly.
It's sort of not really a travel pace or time involved.
It happens sort of instantaneously. Yeah, that's true. It's very hard to understand.
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Past that too when you see it happening it's like a frame missing
out of a film you know look at one frame another frame
and you don't see what happens in between because i've seen it multiple times and i still
can't process the moment in between the movement
and the person being thrown out of the strike happening it's like a missing brain
can't because he when you watch films and movies like it's you 24 frames a second
is a standard film rate but our brain has to join the dots because it was showing
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you're seeing a single frame and a single frame and a single frame but our brain
stitches them together so it allows it to flow smoothly otherwise it you would
appear as flickering and frame by frame.
But when something like that happens and you don't actually see the move.
Yeah, that's according to the way I understand from a Chinese medicine perspective,
that's because the brain is still under the instructions of the limited awareness.
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Yeah. Because it's an organic object that is following the other understanding.
So what happens if you change the understanding?
Yeah. Yeah, then you sort of set a rule, set a program. And then suddenly our
molecules dismantle and we appear again.
Yeah. Well, it's interesting because in science fiction,
which I've always been interested in because it's the, you know,
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it's the grounded, supposedly grounded elements of science, which is like, you know, technology,
technology advances, we get to A, B and C and the fiction aspect being like,
what's the wondrous, what's the imaginative approaches that we could have with
technology in the future?
A lot of science fiction is based on that, generally speaking,
is pushing what we know now to the future. And often it influences the future.
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We see things in movies or in comics or whatever that are fanciful.
Even Isaac Asimov wrote the whole sort of rules of robotics,
the three rules of robotics, which is science fiction, but now that's actually
being used to help train robots and AI.
So there's always a art imitating life or life imitating art thing happening.
So I'm always fascinated by watching sci-fi, reading sci-fi movies.
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There's always something that grabbed my attention because also in design,
we also think about the future a lot.
Like what's the most coolest futuristic version of the phone or the car and
when you're drawing and coming up with it you want it to be as low as possible
or as wide as possible or you know.
It floats off the ground doesn't use nutritional technology so
a lot of times people's imagination is what influences things like star trek
where they had to teleport so they'd go you know beam me up and now this ray
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of beam would appear and that would reappear someone wrote a really interesting
article about this and there's a whole theories around that because supposedly
that teleportation technology was destroying you, breaking every single atom down in your body,
transmitting it wirelessly, energetically, and then reconstituting you somewhere
else. So it's actually not you.
So every time in a Star Trek they go in a teleporter, they're being killed and rebirthed, whatever.
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So someone wrote this whole thing, how many times has Spock and Captain Kirk
been destroyed and reconstituted in this whole dystopian idea that comes like, what makes it you?
If you're being broken down and transmitted to rebuild.
Is that actually you anymore? Is it some other version of you?
So it was really interesting.
And then like Back to the Future, our version of levitating and moving is the
hoverboard. Mm-hmm . Right. Remember that came out and,
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And the flying cars, hovering cars, you know, and everyone's like,
well, that was said in 2016 or 2015.
Back to the future too. So we were told, you know, thinking,
oh, in 30 years from 1985, there'll be flying cars and hoverboards.
And of course, here we are in 2024 and there's no hoverboards,
there's no flying cars. So there's always an expectation.
Lock minis. Yeah, countries. Getting stuck in the dirt.
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I think. So this is what's interesting about all this because it's exciting.
The future is exciting. like you know a little brain called future thinking
even this mug i've made for our podcast i've got design destiny future
that word makes me it's interesting to me because you
know in one second we're now we're in the future you know from when we started
this podcast this is the future this is a different world i think god knows
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what's changed on the planet since we started this conversation i'm sure a lot's
happened but i'm always curious about the intent to create the future like the
designer who sits with a blank sheet of paper and draws the car or the motorbike
or the phone or the hoverboard,
the concept designers in movies
who come up with ways to visualize technology and do special effects.
Your famous sci-fi writers like your Asimovs and all these people who wrote, you know, Philip K.
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Dick who wrote Blade Runner or Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep,
all these very formative things that really defined a lot of that genre,
but also, again, influenced reality.
A lot of people want to bring these technologies into real life and they're
constantly trying to reverse engineer this or how to do that.
The way what you're describing is, to me, fascinating because we so often miss
the internal elements the training elements that would
come with doing that so we look at like most superheroes and
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comic books or there's a radioactive accident accidentally and
suddenly they have superpowers you know or they're mutated or
they're an alien like superman who's come to earth and just so happens that
it's a different sun and he gets superpowers and it's done there's no training
involved you know occasionally we have batman or iron man who develop their
own tools and techniques to overcome that but those are all that established
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versions of the future alternate realities that i I think you're interesting.
And I'm always curious about, you know, we can design the future. We can plan something.
And this is what it's going to look like in 10 years or five years.
And this is what we're constantly doing.
Town planning, designing buildings, because buildings take years to design and years to build.
Cars, most cars you see on the street started their life five to 10 years ago.
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You know, and then the sketch took years to develop and they had to engineer
it. So we often end up in a world that looks like the future,
but it's already the past. So there's a constant.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I'm always curious about what is the future really,
because we don't really ever get there yet. We're there all the time.
So recently a man named Marcello Gandini passed away as an Italian designer.
And a lot of the articles about him is calling him, and I think rightly so,
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one of the greatest car designers to ever live.
He designed about 50 or 60 different cars. The Stratos Zero,
which is this beautiful, incredible low wedge shape.
He also designed the actual Lancia
Stratos, the rally car, which is really famous. The first BMW 5 Series.
The first Volkswagen Polo. The Lamborghini Miura.
The Lamborghini Quintac. All right, yeah, yeah. So he's got about 60 of these
cars. And the Renault Turbo 5, the original Renault hatchback with the fine weight.
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Yeah, yeah. So all these very iconic vehicles came from his,
and then how many times has that been imitated?
You look at the standard wedge shape. If you look up wedge shape supercar,
you'll see all forms of cars end up with this low raked windshield,
very wide, very triangular.
We talked about the Cybertruck a few episodes ago. That's very heavily influenced
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from this wedge faceted shape, which arguably he created. That was that.
And that was imitated from then.
And one of the articles I read about him was sort of saying he's the person who designed the
future because back then those cars in
the 60s and 70s you know designing those things and if
you look up the stratos zero for example or you know the
first countage that's alien you know cars were
had tiny little wheels and they sat very high and had chrome
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hubcaps and fins and suddenly this thing comes out looks like a ufo landed and
where does that come from that's some sort of inspiration or i think you know
any creative process is tapping into something that's from somewhere else we're
talking about this quite a lot you know you're accessing addressing energy or
you're transmitting energy or ideas into something and bring it to life on a piece of paper.
And you can't say that he looked at a car before that to design that car,
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the Stratos or the Countach.
There's nothing to reference in the car world.
So if you look at a 1950s or 60s car, you can end up with a pink Cadillac or something.
So the idea that he was pulling something in from other locations to create
this vehicle that would then.
Look futuristic in that time and age, but it's also currently used as a template
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to what we consider to be futuristic even now, even though we still have combustion
engines and wheels and they're not able at levitating.
So I guess there is an open-ended question about how much can we sit and intentionally
design this future versus what actually is manifesting based on the things that
we're doing we don't know are changing the future and destiny and what that means.
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Things like are we going somewhere that's preset you
know we talk about destiny and purpose and path all
the time and if you look at the vedic scriptures there's quite often a path
that's laid out that we seem to be following perhaps but i'm never really sure
if we're living in something that's really the future or really what it's supposed
to be or it's a version from the past that we're just sort of currently inhabiting
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i think we are forced to do something new because
way back when this designer in the 50s and 60s created these incredible designs,
there was no fear or pressure on him because life was still normal.
What you would consider normal, because there was no existential angst and such.
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People came out of the war, but still it was not like their whole existential
crisis was not identified, was not triggered,
but now it is, you know, it's just like in, not everyone, but you can say pretty
much like half of the population is just really asking themselves the question, why am I here for?
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And the fact that, I mean, according to psychics, a lot of souls are leaving
the physical, you know, which is the, what they call the excess death,
you know, it might be from a psychic perspective, they would say a lot of them
are actually suiciding.
They're actually leaving, done. Yeah, because a lot of people who've got the
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sensitivity of the spirit within them can't make sense of the way it's going
because whatever the negative is,
it's just having too much an impact on them.
And whereas the designers of the 50s and 60s, they didn't have the fear factor that we have now.
Yeah. Yeah? Yeah. And so now we are under totally new stress factors that we never had before.
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And when you listen to the top anthropologists who look way back into the whole
history of humanity, when they are interviewed in podcasts, they say, this time, 2024,
is unprecedented before.
It's never been before like that. Where so many factors are coming together
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that are undermining our reason for being here. Yeah.
And undermining our purpose and understanding of who we are,
where we just like, we were, for the whole evolution, we always had the drive to, to move towards.
But it was never the question, what is it, towards? Yeah, no, you're right.
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But also in that aspect of sci-fi, which I think came into its own post-war
50s, 60s, 70s, the automotive design shifting the landscape, fashion, music.
Look what happened in the 60s and 70s with music.
It's sort of like there's optimism there in many ways. Like the space age.
Kennedy had that great speech in the early 60s and he said, we're not going
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to go to get to the moon because it's easy. We're going to do it because it's hard.
And that like you know you just you can't think of presidents or
leaders giving speeches like that anymore in terms of they're inspirational it's
like we're going to do this it's going to take a long time it won't
be easy but we're going to do it because it should be done you know
you know designing rockets and a lot of stuff there was you know there
was a let's go to the stars let's leave let's let's do
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these things that are great now you do that and they call you crazy and you're a wacky
billionaire because you're building rockets and we should solve the problems
here on earth and there's
always arguments on why we shouldn't shouldn't do things like it's endless you know
there's almost no point in asking the audience anymore what they think fucking
cares just do it as long as
you're not harming people and there's another argument that had me there about the whole thing right
to debate but the idea that we'll shoot down someone
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who's trying to change something or do something different is interesting like
to be optimistic is so you know we had this conversation a couple of times it's
if you're optimistic or happy you're positive people like what's wrong with
you you know and i think in this sci-fi design even to create art,
music, literature in this day and age, there's so much pressure now to say something
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political or to be woke or to say the right thing or to tread carefully or fit
inside this thing because you want to make sure your work gets listened to.
Yeah, but when someone of the 50s, if they put all the focus on designing a
great car, there was a lot of desire on a large scale to wanting that. Yeah.
The desires for things have really shifted fundamentally. Yeah.
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And a lot of people are not really interested in a lot of things anymore.
Yeah? Yeah. That's another thing also. And another factor is obviously we really
are stressed from within by experiencing illnesses, internal illnesses we never
had before. Yeah. Like on such large scale.
Yeah. So if you have like pressing symptoms in you, say this be like a metabolic disorder.
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Yeah. That means you constantly have to be aware of what you're eating because
you get bloating straight away.
And so that means food that 30, 40 years ago, yeah, you go out for dinner,
that's a pizza, that's a beer.
Just didn't think twice. I remember the 80s, the 1980s, no one thought about food allergies.
This is like, come Friday, you go out.
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And we went to Pizza Hut and $5, eat as much as you can. So I did a new record every Friday. Yeah.
So and then on top of it you just drink as much as you
can yeah you know so it there was no
one there said oh i can't eat today because got allergies you know
so i would think like that didn't exist so so you
live carefree yeah you know when i came to australia in
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1981 it was an amazing country because you lived carefree yeah and so the the
80s pretty much peaked in that regard the 90s sort of came in and then sort
of like the first allergy started that's been When you look at asthma problems,
when you look at allergies, food allergies,
now there's not a person without food allergies.
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So if you have to be very careful of what you're consuming because it either
triggers bloating, stomach pain, or it triggers fatigue next day and things like that,
you don't have much energy left to look at what else is there that attracts you.
You're too consumed with the inner symptoms.
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How do you think broadly or have vision or think about things like on a larger scale or even your own?
I think the design is shifting towards health. Yeah. Yes.
It's like, if I don't feel good within myself, the design doesn't really make
much difference. No, I can see that.
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Yeah. It's like, and if you feel good, it doesn't matter what you drive.
That's true. I remember that. I remember that back in the day when it was like,
you know, I had a bombed out car, but if you hire the car, it feels like a Lamborghini.
And if you feel really shit, I remember that when I got into the 90s,
when I started my health and in the mid 90s, I was so successful.
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It was just flying and I bought a new BMW every year. I remember. Yeah.
But many times it was so stressed out. So I had the beautiful M3 or Z4,
and then I was too consumed with the stressful thoughts of negative nature. Yeah.
And I couldn't really just sit there and enjoy the car. Yeah.
And I noticed after a while, I don't actually enjoy it. I'm looking forward
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towards the next car. Yeah.
Yeah. So I got trapped in that, looking like, I want to get the next car maybe.
That's when I'm feeling good. So I experienced how the excessive 90s in terms
of goal settings and becoming successful, how that impacted on your inability
to enjoy the moment. Yeah. Yes.
And then obviously then I realized, wow, this is bullshit. That sucks.
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Yeah. And I got obviously let go of all that thing.
And at the end, it was 30 years ago, that's when I decided that's it and got
really back into the internal world. Yes.
Back in the internal world, what I mean by that is like exactly how I did as
a hippie. Yeah. You smoke a joint and everything's fine. Yeah. Yeah.
And so this time, then I realized, okay, I got to feel the chi within yourself.
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So, and more and more people have that realization because when I get people
in clinic, they can't enjoy life anymore.
They feel like their life's over because they can't eat the food they want to
eat. Yeah. They can't drink the drinks they want to drink.
They feel like they're in prison because there's too many regulations on them.
That they can't do it. So if I, we do the treatments and they start changing
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their life and suddenly the allergies go and suddenly they can eat again,
suddenly they can drink again.
You know, they feel free again. Yeah. Yeah. Because you're like,
wow, I'm myself again. Yeah. Yeah.
And so, so they have realized, okay, unless I understand what happens within,
whatever is on the altar can't really do much. Yeah.
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Yeah. And I think maybe that's where desire is heading.
Design becomes internal rather than external yeah yeah and
whatever the in which we in so in whichever way
we need to find ways how to regulate the inner world yeah
and i think that's just separate from education and i did run
help toronto design school a small design school for several
years i did realize at the end of it that was difficult to
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get people and just train them in those skills that there almost
needed to be a whole process involved where you like basically have them like
do some physical training as well like some martial arts diet and
other things to actually get to the full access of the potential and getting
someone in a room you know we did evening classes after they had a day of doing
who knows what other stresses and come in and try and give them new information
and have them work on their skills i realized i'm like there needs to be some
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more holistic approach to teaching yeah and i think education in general is
missing that too it's like there's a it's all very cerebral and here's the tools
that you need and here's the.
But also they give them lofty ideas around the future and not even the future,
but theory without any real grounding around it.
So there's sort of a missing element around that.
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There's a guy named Alfred Luce who was a writer who wrote about,
I think, the Bauhaus and about design.
And he said that the educator must have people with all the tools they needed
to contribute to society in a way that's not just technical, but also spiritual.
He used the word spiritual. tool and i think what he's getting at is there's
other things there's other elements in education that go beyond technical or
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theoretical so you can look at those as being these core things like i chatted
to a friend of mine earlier and i said like a lot of education is going very theory,
heavy on theory and design thinking and and all these things and then they met
the technical aspects secondary so here's all this lofty thing and then the
technical skills are not drilled in so therefore you don't really have a confidence
in drawing or using the cad computer or making making things by hand and tools
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but if you flip it around you can go let's focus heavily on the.
Trade of drawing hammer nail tool you know draw computer and then let them discover
that stuff on their own later on in terms of the the why or the purpose you
can you're better to find that path in your own perhaps in between but there's
also missing piece there that missing piece to me is this,
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What I would look at when I've done in my training is like the martial arts
aspect, which has led to things like spirituality and other elements that I'm
still trying to get under the handle of because it's quite difficult.
But there's some other aspect there that's not being taught or introduced as
being part of the same system in terms of education.
There has to be some other way to bring those things together.
You look at like primary schools or grade schools or high schools,
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quite often you spend all day there.
So there's a cafeteria where you have lunch or you might have breakfast there
and there's a gym or physical education classes, all those things.
But if the food is terrible and the environment's bad, not learning the right
thing and the physical education class is missing something,
you're also missing out on the possibility of doing it properly.
So I think those, you know, starting earlier on as kids or younger people in
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terms of getting them that across the breadth of things, not just isolating,
to be good at this, you must be good at that one thing or teaching it out of order.
I just think there's a missing component there that I think that's a huge part
of the future is about how we set people up or how they learn or how they achieve
that potential or discover themselves differently than later.
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Yes. Which now has a new drive. Yeah.
Yeah. Back in the, like when you look at pre COVID times, the drive was feel
good is affiliated with the next thing I'm going to go.
I'm going to get by the next phone, the next car, the next house.
Yeah. Yeah. So the feel-good was affiliated with amassing the wealth externally.
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But then, obviously, COVID caused such a wave of triggering the internal illnesses
that were in the development for the past 30 years.
So it's not COVID that caused it, it just triggered it.
Yeah and so so now the feel good.
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Is now having a totally different agenda yeah it's
about okay I got all these internal illnesses I
got these internal symptoms and I gonna I gonna the focus is not in terms of
feel good that like if I got those internal symptoms the new car won't do anything
yeah so so now I need to look into okay what do I do about it Yeah, yeah.
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And so that now the drive goes towards, okay, I'm going to look at,
I need to change this, I need to change that.
So there's obviously a whole new way of, it's almost like life design.
So instead of focusing the design on the process of an object,
now it becomes, I need to design my life.
Because then if I feel good within myself, then I discover a good design around me. Yeah, absolutely.
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And obviously in which way, to me, it looks like there's such a massive spiritual
awakening in the brewing.
And the spiritual awakening always has got the symptoms. Like everyone thinks
spiritual awakening is like a lightning guy and it's like, wow, this ecstatic state.
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That's not spiritual awakening and spiritual awakening is actually a departure
from the old towards the new.
And that is always first comes with symptoms. And one of the main symptoms is
tiredness and the feeling inadequate and feeling not not worthy and a lot of
other self-doubt and not knowing how to belong to others, not knowing how to communicate,
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therefore having all kind of anxiety, social anxiety.
So you've got like a whole list of symptoms and they can't be resolved with the means of the old.
Spiritual awakening means you've got symptoms, internal symptoms.
If you address them with the understanding of the old model,
you will not attain change right yes yeah
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so that means if you have a symptom such
as tiredness anxiety depression feel inadequate
etc and you're going to seek the doctors and they're going to give you medication
for it it's not if it's not doing anything that means it's a spiritual awakening
yeah and what it means is that you validation and source of inspiration and
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energy comes from a model that is dying.
So you basically have your plug in a socket of an outdated system that is dying,
and your batteries is now getting bad energies or wrong energies and dead energies
because the bodily functions in Chinese medicine require the qi from a source to work.
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So when we eat foods, of course there's nutrients in the food,
but there's only one side of the coin. And the other side of the coin is the
qi, and that comes from thinking, behaviors, how we meditate, mindfulness, etc.
So that comes from the cosmic source.
So if we aren't connected to that understanding how to actually utilize the
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nutrients of the food and we're deriving
our validation from a system that provides us now with bad qi. Yeah.
Because that's when we look at the old system. For me, the old system,
I look at bad chi. Yeah. I look at the government's bad chi.
I look at everything in the Western world, bad chi. Yeah.
And so if your plaque is in that socket of an organization that delivers bad
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chi, then obviously you will have bad symptoms.
Yeah, well, you're not going to get away from that. Yeah. So obviously now you've
got internal symptoms and it doesn't matter how many cars you buy.
Yeah. It doesn't matter how many Lamborghinis and houses you have,
and it doesn't matter how much plastic surgery you do, and it doesn't matter
how much you do, how much Ozempic pills you drop, and how skinny you will get.
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It doesn't matter if you've got the Ozempic face, and you've got all kinds of
cheekbones coming out that look like a transparent, some sort of like a robot from a movie.
Kind of a good way. Yeah.
If you feel bad, we're not working. Like the Ozempic crisis is interesting because
the gay scene, the queer scene is saturated with Ozempic. Everyone's on it.
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But Ozempic doesn't work when you take drugs. And a lot of the queer scene takes drugs.
So now people can't feel good because they can't take drugs.
But they take the Ozempic to have the status of the Ozempic face,
the beautiful cheek. The weight loss drug. Yeah, weight loss drug.
So like, boom, it just like, it's completely throws us into pieces. Yeah.
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And how many people are on this weight loss strike? You know,
in order, yeah, heaps and heaps and heaps and heaps.
So that's obviously one of the factors that actually people are trapped in the
model of the old, but feeling worse as a result of it.
And so the old system that is influenced by the influence of Instagram,
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all that getting skinnier, skinnier, skinnier, all that stuff is actually bad cheap.
So you're tapping into that, you get bad cheap.
So you can't if you can't control that
with medication and you and you tried everything and you
still feel bad that means you are
experiencing a spiritual awakening right so now it is what it means your soul
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is waking you up and say take that socket out of that plug of the old system
and now put it into the plug of the new system right so you need to get you
you need to get your support from a new system. Yeah.
And now you're waking up that you need to actually be validated by something totally different.
Yeah. But obviously you don't know exactly what it is. That's the challenge.
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Yeah. So therefore it needs the probing going within. But the interesting thing
is there's such a massive proliferation of podcasts will talk about this sort of things.
Like there's so many spiritual podcasts now, Next Level Soul and many other
podcasts. cast and they have millions and millions and millions of listeners
and they all share their experiences and then they've got a website with it
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and they've got chat lines with it.
Everyone's experiencing this spiritual awakening. So now they obviously will
have a totally different need for design.
That's a whole new market. Yeah, it's a whole new market. It's like, what do they need?
Yeah. So from that perspective, I see so much work ahead of us.
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Yeah. Yeah. Totally. Yeah.
Yeah so much work i'm i'm always
overwhelmed by how much work we have yeah
well it seems like it's it's because if you look i've looked
at the normal design field of
process and it's it's just sort of spinning in circles where it's an imitation
of an imitation so everyone's copying each other and so that seems like a dead
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end so i don't know where that comes to an end or where it starts again but
it's quite disheartening if you look at it and you just go like right it's all
just going nowhere but also that like you just said there's an opportunity there is to is to step.
Probably a very long time since i started started studying design i felt
like that was it had to happen so i was always reluctantly in this
field and wondering where it was going to go next what's going to happen next because you
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can't like design your way out of that externally as you
just said you can't necessarily just use the
same tools that you started got to say
in the first place this is the whole i think steinstein or someone's been
attributed saying it's like doing the same thing over and over again with the
same details and expecting different results but it's
also like if we expect the future
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to resemble the past we're going to miss out on a lot you know it's the same by
avi loeb who's an astronomer who studied sort
of interstellar objects like a more more and he said that yeah
if we risk new discoveries we
expect the future to look like the past if we expect it to
see the same thing over and over again like you mentioned we have that we don't
have the new programming new software to see the new thing but we're plugged
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into the old thing if the new thing is there it won't present itself or won't
be won't be able to access it because we're still tethered to the the wrong
the wrong outlet basically yeah so that.
Disconnection and reconnection thing i think is probably that feeling of like loss i
feel like this loss of end of a lot of things a lot
of things have come to an end it's not working anymore it's very it's very frustrating because we're
still trying to have a lot of projects in the past year or two that felt very
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much like it's just pushing this boulder uphill yeah this is trying to get at
this end and it used to be a lot easier than this like it was a lot of work
so it used to be not maybe not easy but it was simpler you knew that if you
did a b and c then d would happen,
and now it feels like you're doing a through z or a through
w and then x y z not happening you it's like i'm doing all the same things and
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it's not it's not happening so i'm moving forward so there's a resistance like
you we had the mini in the mud it was we tried a couple of techniques and we
got it out because there was some pushing and some finessing involved, right?
Initially, trying to get it out there makes it worse. You're like digging it
further and further in because it's not, you know, it needs to be directed a
different way. You try to go a different direction.
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So there's something there around where you want to put the energy of the exertion
of the force or the effort.
Because, yeah, if we keep continuing to access this, you have to go into the unknown. Yeah.
It is like, because I experienced both worlds in that regard,
because as you know, I'm an official classified, categorized as a content creator.
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So you say, I'll never call you that, but that's okay because we're creating content.
Yeah. Yeah. I hate that word. Back in the days, you were a writer.
That's what I'm saying. Just basically.
Yeah. Just, just today you're, you know, tomorrow you're, you know,
but yeah, for text return, you have to put down content creator.
This is like, now I'm in the same fucking box as with one of those influencer
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on Instagram who is like 20 year old content creators who just like take photos
off their nose and I get a million clicks for it.
Yep. You know, and, um, so obviously as a, as a, as a, as a creator,
you are in the pool with the old and the new. Yeah.
And it's an enormous struggle. So I struggle with that.
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And every, every morning I like, like, how am I going to do this?
Yeah. I'm going to, what is actually the way forward? it and
the way i learned it is i just
do it and it suddenly comes in yeah and i
don't think too much about it so so every
time i focus on what's next i actually don't focus on doing it i actually focus
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on becoming yeah and so that means i'm actually put myself into becoming me
and in that moment i'm doing something and i suddenly observe myself ah that's
where it is yeah so i'm discovering covering something from doing,
but I don't have the intent before.
Obviously, I'm using practices such as Tai Chi, which is derived from the old. Yeah.
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So in that regard, because it's ancient. But then they say it's not derived from this time.
It comes from a different dimension. So it's timeless.
But it's still part of a progression of a timeline from the 1600s.
So in that regard, it belongs to the old.
And so in that regard, we're using some stuff of the old, but then the ideas
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to surrender and allowing the guidance to come through.
And I discovered it through strength training lots.
I find strength training is an incredible means of discovering what is actually new. Yeah.
Because like when I do my TRX or my strengthening in the mornings and I struggle
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with a certain idea I want to explore with an online course or whatever,
and I don't know exactly which direction to take it because there's too many
different old influences coming in, then I suddenly see something.
But it's while I'm in the process of exerting myself, in the process of doing
it, I have to dig into my energetics and information is coming through to me.
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So the overall picture is that whoever created us is fully aware that this is
what we're going through.
It's part of the process because it's yin and yang.
And the Chinese said right from the start, it's always yin and yang.
And that means it always will be transforming. warming so it will never yang
will never reach the point that's it it's complete and perfect now
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it's going to stay young forever yeah once it reaches this peak yang boom it
dies yeah and it goes in yeah yeah and i think that's what we're experiencing
now and so we got that it has we can't go any further in the terms of that yang
yeah and we have to go in yeah you know but then,
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Yin is an equal power to Yang. It's just the opposite. Yeah.
It's not like less power. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And it doesn't, it's not that it's less attractive.
It's not like that it's less exciting. It's just a different side. Yeah.
Yeah, it's just like you're dealing with a different element.
Yeah. And by the now, it requires the design around the yin,
the internal connection.
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So it's obviously a new way of approach. Like all design to now,
the way I understand it, always acted on what people's desires were.
Yeah. You said, where did it come from? It often creates or creates,
you know, it's creating people's, making them want something because of the way it looks.
So it's creating a field of desire or creating their body into something.
Fits in with something that people somehow expect.
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Yeah, it kind of has to. Yeah, because if you're too out there,
it doesn't work. It happens all the time, right? Something's too far ahead of its time. It has to be.
So it has to hit the, feels new, but it's familiar.
But then it also has to make sense. Like if someone designs a car where there's
a big fat tire and it's just in line with the guards, it just looks good.
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Well, yeah. I mean, that's subjective, but I think that's also true.
There's some truth there.
Like, it's a universal truth. Yeah. If you look at the rear of the latest Porsche
GT3, what they've got at the rear, what the rubber is at, it's 385.
Why? 425 or something like that. It's ridiculous.
And it's just like, honestly, you can't put your finger between the guards and
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the tire. It's not possible.
And the car is just like not touching. Yeah, that's why everything you spend
60 years on one car, right?
Just every time it just gets a bit better.
Yeah, I remember when I flared my guards and put the bigger tires on back in
the day when I had that BMW.
I was hitting the guards all the time and I blew tires and shit like that.
Designed for that, yeah.
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Yeah, they were the forefront, pioneering. Because it looked good.
Yeah. And you know, it's a fact. I mean, when you look at a car from a sports
car and it's got that negative ember, that means that the tires are actually facing inward.
Yeah. Rather than actually like X the other way. Yeah. It looks ridiculous. Yeah.
And wheelbarrow wheels on a car don't look good. That's a fact.
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No, it's the truth. We know that. Yeah.
But in this situation, the Mini could do with some, maybe some more off-road
stuff. Yeah, I'm going to look at how to turn that Mini Cooper into a bush basher.
And it's like, maybe let's do it first time ever. I'm going to lift it.
Yeah. And I'm going to put smaller reams on it. Yeah, trucky tires.
Yeah, truck tires. Yeah, so maybe some big spotlights. Yeah,
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and just maybe lift the whole thing by half a meter. Jump in there.
Yeah. Yeah, and then sort of like, yeah, tractor tires. Yeah.
Next time I come up, I expect to see that then. Yeah, completely weird thing.
So that's going to be a rally mini.
Future mini. Yeah. So yeah. So it's aligned with the design of the new- Off-grid
mini. Yeah. Yeah. So make the mini a hippie mini.
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A mini suitable for hippie communes.
Well, it's a full circle, because that's where they started.
They were very hippie cars, and then became very city cars and race cars,
so now you're just bringing it back to- Yeah.
Back in my days, it was like full on, like the VW and the mini were the hippie
car. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, no, I thought.
But even like the Minis were still race cars then. They were really formidable,
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like really low center of gravity and really fast, lightweight, you know. Yeah.
Yeah, I mean, though I was a hippie, the Mini I had was like, was track proven.
So quick getaways then, was it? I had the flowers on it. Yeah, yeah.
Because obviously in those days, the Minis had flowers painted on.
Yeah. Because LeBron had the flared guards.
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Yeah. But the flared guards on the trousers.
Yeah. Oh, yeah. Bell bottoms, yeah. And then you obviously flared the guards
of the mini. Yeah. You know, I made it, I made that mini so wide. It was incredible.
You know, it looked good. And then all these beautiful colors of flowers on,
green flowers, purple flowers. It was awesome.
And big exhaust, Abbott, Abbott exhaust. Abbott exhaust. Yeah. This thing was good.
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All right. More things change, the more they say the same. Let's get into the, into the hippie idea.
Who knows where we're going to end that conversation, where it started.
That's what it is. We have to return to the hippie life.
Hippie said it right. Now we return to the hippies. Yeah.
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Not the bell bottoms though. I won't wear those. I refuse to wear bell bottoms.
So make love, not war. Yeah. That's it. Yeah. Till next time. Be hippie.
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Welcome to the Future Chia podcast. I'm Leon Fitzpatrick. And I'm Jos Stowa.
And we'll be talking about everything from Taoism to design to traditional Chinese
medicine and everything in between.
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Join us for our next amazing adventure into the unknown.
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Well, here we are again, having a very eventful day up here in the mountains.
Yeah, we've got this beautiful, super slick, city, Mini Cooper,
John Cooper's work, tuned to the max. The thing is a beast. It's so fast.
On the track, on the streets, it's just incredible, especially the winding roads.
And now we're living in the bush. We're living in Crystal Ward on Dirt Tracks.
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And it started raining and now the Mini got blocked in.
And it's absolutely not doing anything because the power in the engine is simply
too powerful for it to do any benefits on nature.
You can't have too much power. Yeah. Too much power. Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes.
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So it's just obviously, once you live in the country, you know,
you may have to decide for a different car.
So you think the low profile tires on the front wheel drive,
two liter, twin turbo charge lowered race car isn't working quite for the environment.
Yeah, it seemed to ease. I'm surprised.
Cause, you know me about that. It's causing struggles. Yeah.
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But on the way in here is a windy road. It's great fun.
Oh, once you pass the dirt aspect and once you pass all the flooding aspect
and you actually got dry road, this is the only thing that can actually keep
up with you is a motorbike. Yeah, I can see that happening.
It's incredible, that thing around the corners.
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I mean, I love that advertising that when Mini started, you know,
10 years ago, those advertising on TV were great. Like this guy takes the Mini
and spins it up on the road, on the mountains.
And on top of the mountains, he opens up a can of soft drink and.
And in screen, everything's just like, can't see anything. Can't see anything.
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He's just shit everywhere.
And, uh, then it's like, dot, dot, dot, Mini. It's the car.
And it said it, what it is. It's, it's, it's, uh, it's, it's for corners.
Yeah. And this is your fifth.
Fifth one. Yeah, my fifth Mini, yeah. So your first one was the original?
The original Mini Cooper. Two-door. Yes, yes. And how did you fit in that?
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The interesting thing is that Mini Coopers look small, but they're actually
very efficient space-wise. So they're actually made for tall people, so it works really well.
So I have so much space in that thing, and I'm 1 meter 96, and I'm leaning back,
and I have like, yeah, to me, they're the best guy.
Yeah, it's a very clever design. Yeah, it's very, it's cute,
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it's individual, it doesn't look anything mundane,
and in particular, it doesn't, when you drive it, it doesn't feel mundane,
and because that's obviously one of the bigger things, because we can't get around not driving,
you know, you've got to go, we have to cover distance, or maybe soon we've got
the ability to levitate.
Soon? Yeah, soon. What do you mean soon? life. There's a lot of research.
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I listened to this podcast today about this. The psychologist who now teaches
telekinesis and actually bodily movements without you actually using any of your bodily functions.
So it's levitational aspect that- Without using your bodily functions.
Yeah. You're actually using your mind. So what you always talk about levitating,
et cetera, which was first come to the public with the transcendental meditation with the Maharishi.
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That's when he first time talked about levitation. And because it only,
that was from that Time magazine when they did a photo of a TM meditator who
had the energy moving through the body too strong and it generated what they
called frog hopping. So the body just actually moved up.
And off the ground. Yeah, off the ground for about 30, 40, 50 centimeters moved up.
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So it was because the energy was so strong and the body jerked and needed to express itself.
And a photographer from the Time magazine actually took a snapshot of that and
it landed on the front cover of the Time magazine and said, Transcendental Meditation,
the Maharishi claims levitation. That was in 1968.
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So, that was the first time that the Western public heard about levitating.
And those who have read the autobiography of a yogi are very familiar with the
levitational skills of the yogi.
And then this new guy, this who is now on board and teaches people this sort
of like telekinesis, moving objects without touch here.
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And it's now taking place in the academic research in the West. Okay.
And that includes also levitation.
So according to them, it's within us.
So one day we will be able to actually move from A to B without actually using a car.
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Would that be like teleport, like changing location, like teleportation?
Yeah, most likely, yeah. Most likely. It's like, boom, you're suddenly there.
Because in the spirit world, you travel distances without actually involving
travel. You suddenly appear. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So with your mind, you can be
instantly in Europe. Yeah. You can be instantly at the end of the world.
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So we know that we can do that. And when we dream, we have all kinds of experiences, yeah?
Yeah, yeah. So it would tell us that this is not possible in form.
Yeah. I mean, when the Tai Chi master punches you, you know exactly.
It's sort of not really a travel pace or time involved.
It happens sort of instantaneously. Yeah, that's true. It's very hard to understand.
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Past that too when you see it happening it's like a frame missing
out of a film you know look at one frame another frame
and you don't see what happens in between because i've seen it multiple times and i still
can't process the moment in between the movement
and the person being thrown out of the strike happening it's like a missing brain
can't because he when you watch films and movies like it's you 24 frames a second
is a standard film rate but our brain has to join the dots because it was showing
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you're seeing a single frame and a single frame and a single frame but our brain
stitches them together so it allows it to flow smoothly otherwise it you would
appear as flickering and frame by frame.
But when something like that happens and you don't actually see the move.
Yeah, that's according to the way I understand from a Chinese medicine perspective,
that's because the brain is still under the instructions of the limited awareness.
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Yeah. Because it's an organic object that is following the other understanding.
So what happens if you change the understanding?
Yeah. Yeah, then you sort of set a rule, set a program. And then suddenly our
molecules dismantle and we appear again.
Yeah. Well, it's interesting because in science fiction,
which I've always been interested in because it's the, you know,
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it's the grounded, supposedly grounded elements of science, which is like, you know, technology,
technology advances, we get to A, B and C and the fiction aspect being like,
what's the wondrous, what's the imaginative approaches that we could have with
technology in the future?
A lot of science fiction is based on that, generally speaking,
is pushing what we know now to the future. And often it influences the future.
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We see things in movies or in comics or whatever that are fanciful.
Even Isaac Asimov wrote the whole sort of rules of robotics,
the three rules of robotics, which is science fiction, but now that's actually
being used to help train robots and AI.
So there's always a art imitating life or life imitating art thing happening.
So I'm always fascinated by watching sci-fi, reading sci-fi movies.
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There's always something that grabbed my attention because also in design,
we also think about the future a lot.
Like what's the most coolest futuristic version of the phone or the car and
when you're drawing and coming up with it you want it to be as low as possible
or as wide as possible or you know.
It floats off the ground doesn't use nutritional technology so
a lot of times people's imagination is what influences things like star trek
where they had to teleport so they'd go you know beam me up and now this ray
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of beam would appear and that would reappear someone wrote a really interesting
article about this and there's a whole theories around that because supposedly
that teleportation technology was destroying you, breaking every single atom down in your body,
transmitting it wirelessly, energetically, and then reconstituting you somewhere
else. So it's actually not you.
So every time in a Star Trek they go in a teleporter, they're being killed and rebirthed, whatever.
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So someone wrote this whole thing, how many times has Spock and Captain Kirk
been destroyed and reconstituted in this whole dystopian idea that comes like, what makes it you?
If you're being broken down and transmitted to rebuild.
Is that actually you anymore? Is it some other version of you?
So it was really interesting.
And then like Back to the Future, our version of levitating and moving is the
hoverboard. Mm-hmm . Right. Remember that came out and,
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And the flying cars, hovering cars, you know, and everyone's like,
well, that was said in 2016 or 2015.
Back to the future too. So we were told, you know, thinking,
oh, in 30 years from 1985, there'll be flying cars and hoverboards.
And of course, here we are in 2024 and there's no hoverboards,
there's no flying cars. So there's always an expectation.
Lock minis. Yeah, countries. Getting stuck in the dirt.
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I think. So this is what's interesting about all this because it's exciting.
The future is exciting. like you know a little brain called future thinking
even this mug i've made for our podcast i've got design destiny future
that word makes me it's interesting to me because you
know in one second we're now we're in the future you know from when we started
this podcast this is the future this is a different world i think god knows
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what's changed on the planet since we started this conversation i'm sure a lot's
happened but i'm always curious about the intent to create the future like the
designer who sits with a blank sheet of paper and draws the car or the motorbike
or the phone or the hoverboard,
the concept designers in movies
who come up with ways to visualize technology and do special effects.
Your famous sci-fi writers like your Asimovs and all these people who wrote, you know, Philip K.
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Dick who wrote Blade Runner or Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep,
all these very formative things that really defined a lot of that genre,
but also, again, influenced reality.
A lot of people want to bring these technologies into real life and they're
constantly trying to reverse engineer this or how to do that.
The way what you're describing is, to me, fascinating because we so often miss
the internal elements the training elements that would
come with doing that so we look at like most superheroes and
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comic books or there's a radioactive accident accidentally and
suddenly they have superpowers you know or they're mutated or
they're an alien like superman who's come to earth and just so happens that
it's a different sun and he gets superpowers and it's done there's no training
involved you know occasionally we have batman or iron man who develop their
own tools and techniques to overcome that but those are all that established
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versions of the future alternate realities that i I think you're interesting.
And I'm always curious about, you know, we can design the future. We can plan something.
And this is what it's going to look like in 10 years or five years.
And this is what we're constantly doing.
Town planning, designing buildings, because buildings take years to design and years to build.
Cars, most cars you see on the street started their life five to 10 years ago.
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You know, and then the sketch took years to develop and they had to engineer
it. So we often end up in a world that looks like the future,
but it's already the past. So there's a constant.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I'm always curious about what is the future really,
because we don't really ever get there yet. We're there all the time.
So recently a man named Marcello Gandini passed away as an Italian designer.
And a lot of the articles about him is calling him, and I think rightly so,
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one of the greatest car designers to ever live.
He designed about 50 or 60 different cars. The Stratos Zero,
which is this beautiful, incredible low wedge shape.
He also designed the actual Lancia
Stratos, the rally car, which is really famous. The first BMW 5 Series.
The first Volkswagen Polo. The Lamborghini Miura.
The Lamborghini Quintac. All right, yeah, yeah. So he's got about 60 of these
cars. And the Renault Turbo 5, the original Renault hatchback with the fine weight.
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Yeah, yeah. So all these very iconic vehicles came from his,
and then how many times has that been imitated?
You look at the standard wedge shape. If you look up wedge shape supercar,
you'll see all forms of cars end up with this low raked windshield,
very wide, very triangular.
We talked about the Cybertruck a few episodes ago. That's very heavily influenced
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from this wedge faceted shape, which arguably he created. That was that.
And that was imitated from then.
And one of the articles I read about him was sort of saying he's the person who designed the
future because back then those cars in
the 60s and 70s you know designing those things and if
you look up the stratos zero for example or you know the
first countage that's alien you know cars were
had tiny little wheels and they sat very high and had chrome
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hubcaps and fins and suddenly this thing comes out looks like a ufo landed and
where does that come from that's some sort of inspiration or i think you know
any creative process is tapping into something that's from somewhere else we're
talking about this quite a lot you know you're accessing addressing energy or
you're transmitting energy or ideas into something and bring it to life on a piece of paper.
And you can't say that he looked at a car before that to design that car,
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the Stratos or the Countach.
There's nothing to reference in the car world.
So if you look at a 1950s or 60s car, you can end up with a pink Cadillac or something.
So the idea that he was pulling something in from other locations to create
this vehicle that would then.
Look futuristic in that time and age, but it's also currently used as a template
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to what we consider to be futuristic even now, even though we still have combustion
engines and wheels and they're not able at levitating.
So I guess there is an open-ended question about how much can we sit and intentionally
design this future versus what actually is manifesting based on the things that
we're doing we don't know are changing the future and destiny and what that means.
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Things like are we going somewhere that's preset you
know we talk about destiny and purpose and path all
the time and if you look at the vedic scriptures there's quite often a path
that's laid out that we seem to be following perhaps but i'm never really sure
if we're living in something that's really the future or really what it's supposed
to be or it's a version from the past that we're just sort of currently inhabiting
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i think we are forced to do something new because
way back when this designer in the 50s and 60s created these incredible designs,
there was no fear or pressure on him because life was still normal.
What you would consider normal, because there was no existential angst and such.
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People came out of the war, but still it was not like their whole existential
crisis was not identified, was not triggered,
but now it is, you know, it's just like in, not everyone, but you can say pretty
much like half of the population is just really asking themselves the question, why am I here for?
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And the fact that, I mean, according to psychics, a lot of souls are leaving
the physical, you know, which is the, what they call the excess death,
you know, it might be from a psychic perspective, they would say a lot of them
are actually suiciding.
They're actually leaving, done. Yeah, because a lot of people who've got the
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sensitivity of the spirit within them can't make sense of the way it's going
because whatever the negative is,
it's just having too much an impact on them.
And whereas the designers of the 50s and 60s, they didn't have the fear factor that we have now.
Yeah. Yeah? Yeah. And so now we are under totally new stress factors that we never had before.
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And when you listen to the top anthropologists who look way back into the whole
history of humanity, when they are interviewed in podcasts, they say, this time, 2024,
is unprecedented before.
It's never been before like that. Where so many factors are coming together
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that are undermining our reason for being here. Yeah.
And undermining our purpose and understanding of who we are,
where we just like, we were, for the whole evolution, we always had the drive to, to move towards.
But it was never the question, what is it, towards? Yeah, no, you're right.
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But also in that aspect of sci-fi, which I think came into its own post-war
50s, 60s, 70s, the automotive design shifting the landscape, fashion, music.
Look what happened in the 60s and 70s with music.
It's sort of like there's optimism there in many ways. Like the space age.
Kennedy had that great speech in the early 60s and he said, we're not going
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to go to get to the moon because it's easy. We're going to do it because it's hard.
And that like you know you just you can't think of presidents or
leaders giving speeches like that anymore in terms of they're inspirational it's
like we're going to do this it's going to take a long time it won't
be easy but we're going to do it because it should be done you know
you know designing rockets and a lot of stuff there was you know there
was a let's go to the stars let's leave let's let's do
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these things that are great now you do that and they call you crazy and you're a wacky
billionaire because you're building rockets and we should solve the problems
here on earth and there's
always arguments on why we shouldn't shouldn't do things like it's endless you know
there's almost no point in asking the audience anymore what they think fucking
cares just do it as long as
you're not harming people and there's another argument that had me there about the whole thing right
to debate but the idea that we'll shoot down someone
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who's trying to change something or do something different is interesting like
to be optimistic is so you know we had this conversation a couple of times it's
if you're optimistic or happy you're positive people like what's wrong with
you you know and i think in this sci-fi design even to create art,
music, literature in this day and age, there's so much pressure now to say something
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political or to be woke or to say the right thing or to tread carefully or fit
inside this thing because you want to make sure your work gets listened to.
Yeah, but when someone of the 50s, if they put all the focus on designing a
great car, there was a lot of desire on a large scale to wanting that. Yeah.
The desires for things have really shifted fundamentally. Yeah.
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And a lot of people are not really interested in a lot of things anymore.
Yeah? Yeah. That's another thing also. And another factor is obviously we really
are stressed from within by experiencing illnesses, internal illnesses we never
had before. Yeah. Like on such large scale.
Yeah. So if you have like pressing symptoms in you, say this be like a metabolic disorder.
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Yeah. That means you constantly have to be aware of what you're eating because
you get bloating straight away.
And so that means food that 30, 40 years ago, yeah, you go out for dinner,
that's a pizza, that's a beer.
Just didn't think twice. I remember the 80s, the 1980s, no one thought about food allergies.
This is like, come Friday, you go out.
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And we went to Pizza Hut and $5, eat as much as you can. So I did a new record every Friday. Yeah.
So and then on top of it you just drink as much as you
can yeah you know so it there was no
one there said oh i can't eat today because got allergies you know
so i would think like that didn't exist so so you
live carefree yeah you know when i came to australia in
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1981 it was an amazing country because you lived carefree yeah and so the the
80s pretty much peaked in that regard the 90s sort of came in and then sort
of like the first allergy started that's been When you look at asthma problems,
when you look at allergies, food allergies,
now there's not a person without food allergies.
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So if you have to be very careful of what you're consuming because it either
triggers bloating, stomach pain, or it triggers fatigue next day and things like that,
you don't have much energy left to look at what else is there that attracts you.
You're too consumed with the inner symptoms.
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How do you think broadly or have vision or think about things like on a larger scale or even your own?
I think the design is shifting towards health. Yeah. Yes.
It's like, if I don't feel good within myself, the design doesn't really make
much difference. No, I can see that.
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Yeah. It's like, and if you feel good, it doesn't matter what you drive.
That's true. I remember that. I remember that back in the day when it was like,
you know, I had a bombed out car, but if you hire the car, it feels like a Lamborghini.
And if you feel really shit, I remember that when I got into the 90s,
when I started my health and in the mid 90s, I was so successful.
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It was just flying and I bought a new BMW every year. I remember. Yeah.
But many times it was so stressed out. So I had the beautiful M3 or Z4,
and then I was too consumed with the stressful thoughts of negative nature. Yeah.
And I couldn't really just sit there and enjoy the car. Yeah.
And I noticed after a while, I don't actually enjoy it. I'm looking forward
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towards the next car. Yeah.
Yeah. So I got trapped in that, looking like, I want to get the next car maybe.
That's when I'm feeling good. So I experienced how the excessive 90s in terms
of goal settings and becoming successful, how that impacted on your inability
to enjoy the moment. Yeah. Yes.
And then obviously then I realized, wow, this is bullshit. That sucks.
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Yeah. And I got obviously let go of all that thing.
And at the end, it was 30 years ago, that's when I decided that's it and got
really back into the internal world. Yes.
Back in the internal world, what I mean by that is like exactly how I did as
a hippie. Yeah. You smoke a joint and everything's fine. Yeah. Yeah.
And so this time, then I realized, okay, I got to feel the chi within yourself.
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So, and more and more people have that realization because when I get people
in clinic, they can't enjoy life anymore.
They feel like their life's over because they can't eat the food they want to
eat. Yeah. They can't drink the drinks they want to drink.
They feel like they're in prison because there's too many regulations on them.
That they can't do it. So if I, we do the treatments and they start changing
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their life and suddenly the allergies go and suddenly they can eat again,
suddenly they can drink again.
You know, they feel free again. Yeah. Yeah. Because you're like,
wow, I'm myself again. Yeah. Yeah.
And so, so they have realized, okay, unless I understand what happens within,
whatever is on the altar can't really do much. Yeah.
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Yeah. And I think maybe that's where desire is heading.
Design becomes internal rather than external yeah yeah and
whatever the in which we in so in whichever way
we need to find ways how to regulate the inner world yeah
and i think that's just separate from education and i did run
help toronto design school a small design school for several
years i did realize at the end of it that was difficult to
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get people and just train them in those skills that there almost
needed to be a whole process involved where you like basically have them like
do some physical training as well like some martial arts diet and
other things to actually get to the full access of the potential and getting
someone in a room you know we did evening classes after they had a day of doing
who knows what other stresses and come in and try and give them new information
and have them work on their skills i realized i'm like there needs to be some
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more holistic approach to teaching yeah and i think education in general is
missing that too it's like there's a it's all very cerebral and here's the tools
that you need and here's the.
But also they give them lofty ideas around the future and not even the future,
but theory without any real grounding around it.
So there's sort of a missing element around that.
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There's a guy named Alfred Luce who was a writer who wrote about,
I think, the Bauhaus and about design.
And he said that the educator must have people with all the tools they needed
to contribute to society in a way that's not just technical, but also spiritual.
He used the word spiritual. tool and i think what he's getting at is there's
other things there's other elements in education that go beyond technical or
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theoretical so you can look at those as being these core things like i chatted
to a friend of mine earlier and i said like a lot of education is going very theory,
heavy on theory and design thinking and and all these things and then they met
the technical aspects secondary so here's all this lofty thing and then the
technical skills are not drilled in so therefore you don't really have a confidence
in drawing or using the cad computer or making making things by hand and tools
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but if you flip it around you can go let's focus heavily on the.
Trade of drawing hammer nail tool you know draw computer and then let them discover
that stuff on their own later on in terms of the the why or the purpose you
can you're better to find that path in your own perhaps in between but there's
also missing piece there that missing piece to me is this,
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What I would look at when I've done in my training is like the martial arts
aspect, which has led to things like spirituality and other elements that I'm
still trying to get under the handle of because it's quite difficult.
But there's some other aspect there that's not being taught or introduced as
being part of the same system in terms of education.
There has to be some other way to bring those things together.
You look at like primary schools or grade schools or high schools,
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quite often you spend all day there.
So there's a cafeteria where you have lunch or you might have breakfast there
and there's a gym or physical education classes, all those things.
But if the food is terrible and the environment's bad, not learning the right
thing and the physical education class is missing something,
you're also missing out on the possibility of doing it properly.
So I think those, you know, starting earlier on as kids or younger people in
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terms of getting them that across the breadth of things, not just isolating,
to be good at this, you must be good at that one thing or teaching it out of order.
I just think there's a missing component there that I think that's a huge part
of the future is about how we set people up or how they learn or how they achieve
that potential or discover themselves differently than later.
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Yes. Which now has a new drive. Yeah.
Yeah. Back in the, like when you look at pre COVID times, the drive was feel
good is affiliated with the next thing I'm going to go.
I'm going to get by the next phone, the next car, the next house.
Yeah. Yeah. So the feel-good was affiliated with amassing the wealth externally.
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But then, obviously, COVID caused such a wave of triggering the internal illnesses
that were in the development for the past 30 years.
So it's not COVID that caused it, it just triggered it.
Yeah and so so now the feel good.
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Is now having a totally different agenda yeah it's
about okay I got all these internal illnesses I
got these internal symptoms and I gonna I gonna the focus is not in terms of
feel good that like if I got those internal symptoms the new car won't do anything
yeah so so now I need to look into okay what do I do about it Yeah, yeah.
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And so that now the drive goes towards, okay, I'm going to look at,
I need to change this, I need to change that.
So there's obviously a whole new way of, it's almost like life design.
So instead of focusing the design on the process of an object,
now it becomes, I need to design my life.
Because then if I feel good within myself, then I discover a good design around me. Yeah, absolutely.
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And obviously in which way, to me, it looks like there's such a massive spiritual
awakening in the brewing.
And the spiritual awakening always has got the symptoms. Like everyone thinks
spiritual awakening is like a lightning guy and it's like, wow, this ecstatic state.
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That's not spiritual awakening and spiritual awakening is actually a departure
from the old towards the new.
And that is always first comes with symptoms. And one of the main symptoms is
tiredness and the feeling inadequate and feeling not not worthy and a lot of
other self-doubt and not knowing how to belong to others, not knowing how to communicate,
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therefore having all kind of anxiety, social anxiety.
So you've got like a whole list of symptoms and they can't be resolved with the means of the old.
Spiritual awakening means you've got symptoms, internal symptoms.
If you address them with the understanding of the old model,
you will not attain change right yes yeah
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so that means if you have a symptom such
as tiredness anxiety depression feel inadequate
etc and you're going to seek the doctors and they're going to give you medication
for it it's not if it's not doing anything that means it's a spiritual awakening
yeah and what it means is that you validation and source of inspiration and
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energy comes from a model that is dying.
So you basically have your plug in a socket of an outdated system that is dying,
and your batteries is now getting bad energies or wrong energies and dead energies
because the bodily functions in Chinese medicine require the qi from a source to work.
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So when we eat foods, of course there's nutrients in the food,
but there's only one side of the coin. And the other side of the coin is the
qi, and that comes from thinking, behaviors, how we meditate, mindfulness, etc.
So that comes from the cosmic source.
So if we aren't connected to that understanding how to actually utilize the
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nutrients of the food and we're deriving
our validation from a system that provides us now with bad qi. Yeah.
Because that's when we look at the old system. For me, the old system,
I look at bad chi. Yeah. I look at the government's bad chi.
I look at everything in the Western world, bad chi. Yeah.
And so if your plaque is in that socket of an organization that delivers bad
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chi, then obviously you will have bad symptoms.
Yeah, well, you're not going to get away from that. Yeah. So obviously now you've
got internal symptoms and it doesn't matter how many cars you buy.
Yeah. It doesn't matter how many Lamborghinis and houses you have,
and it doesn't matter how much plastic surgery you do, and it doesn't matter
how much you do, how much Ozempic pills you drop, and how skinny you will get.
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It doesn't matter if you've got the Ozempic face, and you've got all kinds of
cheekbones coming out that look like a transparent, some sort of like a robot from a movie.
Kind of a good way. Yeah.
If you feel bad, we're not working. Like the Ozempic crisis is interesting because
the gay scene, the queer scene is saturated with Ozempic. Everyone's on it.
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But Ozempic doesn't work when you take drugs. And a lot of the queer scene takes drugs.
So now people can't feel good because they can't take drugs.
But they take the Ozempic to have the status of the Ozempic face,
the beautiful cheek. The weight loss drug. Yeah, weight loss drug.
So like, boom, it just like, it's completely throws us into pieces. Yeah.
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And how many people are on this weight loss strike? You know,
in order, yeah, heaps and heaps and heaps and heaps.
So that's obviously one of the factors that actually people are trapped in the
model of the old, but feeling worse as a result of it.
And so the old system that is influenced by the influence of Instagram,
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all that getting skinnier, skinnier, skinnier, all that stuff is actually bad cheap.
So you're tapping into that, you get bad cheap.
So you can't if you can't control that
with medication and you and you tried everything and you
still feel bad that means you are
experiencing a spiritual awakening right so now it is what it means your soul
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is waking you up and say take that socket out of that plug of the old system
and now put it into the plug of the new system right so you need to get you
you need to get your support from a new system. Yeah.
And now you're waking up that you need to actually be validated by something totally different.
Yeah. But obviously you don't know exactly what it is. That's the challenge.
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Yeah. So therefore it needs the probing going within. But the interesting thing
is there's such a massive proliferation of podcasts will talk about this sort of things.
Like there's so many spiritual podcasts now, Next Level Soul and many other
podcasts. cast and they have millions and millions and millions of listeners
and they all share their experiences and then they've got a website with it
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and they've got chat lines with it.
Everyone's experiencing this spiritual awakening. So now they obviously will
have a totally different need for design.
That's a whole new market. Yeah, it's a whole new market. It's like, what do they need?
Yeah. So from that perspective, I see so much work ahead of us.
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Yeah. Yeah. Totally. Yeah.
Yeah so much work i'm i'm always
overwhelmed by how much work we have yeah
well it seems like it's it's because if you look i've looked
at the normal design field of
process and it's it's just sort of spinning in circles where it's an imitation
of an imitation so everyone's copying each other and so that seems like a dead
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end so i don't know where that comes to an end or where it starts again but
it's quite disheartening if you look at it and you just go like right it's all
just going nowhere but also that like you just said there's an opportunity there is to is to step.
Probably a very long time since i started started studying design i felt
like that was it had to happen so i was always reluctantly in this
field and wondering where it was going to go next what's going to happen next because you
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can't like design your way out of that externally as you
just said you can't necessarily just use the
same tools that you started got to say
in the first place this is the whole i think steinstein or someone's been
attributed saying it's like doing the same thing over and over again with the
same details and expecting different results but it's
also like if we expect the future
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to resemble the past we're going to miss out on a lot you know it's the same by
avi loeb who's an astronomer who studied sort
of interstellar objects like a more more and he said that yeah
if we risk new discoveries we
expect the future to look like the past if we expect it to
see the same thing over and over again like you mentioned we have that we don't
have the new programming new software to see the new thing but we're plugged
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into the old thing if the new thing is there it won't present itself or won't
be won't be able to access it because we're still tethered to the the wrong
the wrong outlet basically yeah so that.
Disconnection and reconnection thing i think is probably that feeling of like loss i
feel like this loss of end of a lot of things a lot
of things have come to an end it's not working anymore it's very it's very frustrating because we're
still trying to have a lot of projects in the past year or two that felt very
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much like it's just pushing this boulder uphill yeah this is trying to get at
this end and it used to be a lot easier than this like it was a lot of work
so it used to be not maybe not easy but it was simpler you knew that if you
did a b and c then d would happen,
and now it feels like you're doing a through z or a through
w and then x y z not happening you it's like i'm doing all the same things and
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it's not it's not happening so i'm moving forward so there's a resistance like
you we had the mini in the mud it was we tried a couple of techniques and we
got it out because there was some pushing and some finessing involved, right?
Initially, trying to get it out there makes it worse. You're like digging it
further and further in because it's not, you know, it needs to be directed a
different way. You try to go a different direction.
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So there's something there around where you want to put the energy of the exertion
of the force or the effort.
Because, yeah, if we keep continuing to access this, you have to go into the unknown. Yeah.
It is like, because I experienced both worlds in that regard,
because as you know, I'm an official classified, categorized as a content creator.
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So you say, I'll never call you that, but that's okay because we're creating content.
Yeah. Yeah. I hate that word. Back in the days, you were a writer.
That's what I'm saying. Just basically.
Yeah. Just, just today you're, you know, tomorrow you're, you know,
but yeah, for text return, you have to put down content creator.
This is like, now I'm in the same fucking box as with one of those influencer
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on Instagram who is like 20 year old content creators who just like take photos
off their nose and I get a million clicks for it.
Yep. You know, and, um, so obviously as a, as a, as a, as a creator,
you are in the pool with the old and the new. Yeah.
And it's an enormous struggle. So I struggle with that.
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And every, every morning I like, like, how am I going to do this?
Yeah. I'm going to, what is actually the way forward? it and
the way i learned it is i just
do it and it suddenly comes in yeah and i
don't think too much about it so so every
time i focus on what's next i actually don't focus on doing it i actually focus
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on becoming yeah and so that means i'm actually put myself into becoming me
and in that moment i'm doing something and i suddenly observe myself ah that's
where it is yeah so i'm discovering covering something from doing,
but I don't have the intent before.
Obviously, I'm using practices such as Tai Chi, which is derived from the old. Yeah.
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So in that regard, because it's ancient. But then they say it's not derived from this time.
It comes from a different dimension. So it's timeless.
But it's still part of a progression of a timeline from the 1600s.
So in that regard, it belongs to the old.
And so in that regard, we're using some stuff of the old, but then the ideas
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to surrender and allowing the guidance to come through.
And I discovered it through strength training lots.
I find strength training is an incredible means of discovering what is actually new. Yeah.
Because like when I do my TRX or my strengthening in the mornings and I struggle
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with a certain idea I want to explore with an online course or whatever,
and I don't know exactly which direction to take it because there's too many
different old influences coming in, then I suddenly see something.
But it's while I'm in the process of exerting myself, in the process of doing
it, I have to dig into my energetics and information is coming through to me.
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So the overall picture is that whoever created us is fully aware that this is
what we're going through.
It's part of the process because it's yin and yang.
And the Chinese said right from the start, it's always yin and yang.
And that means it always will be transforming. warming so it will never yang
will never reach the point that's it it's complete and perfect now
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it's going to stay young forever yeah once it reaches this peak yang boom it
dies yeah and it goes in yeah yeah and i think that's what we're experiencing
now and so we got that it has we can't go any further in the terms of that yang
yeah and we have to go in yeah you know but then,
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Yin is an equal power to Yang. It's just the opposite. Yeah.
It's not like less power. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And it doesn't, it's not that it's less attractive.
It's not like that it's less exciting. It's just a different side. Yeah.
Yeah, it's just like you're dealing with a different element.
Yeah. And by the now, it requires the design around the yin,
the internal connection.
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So it's obviously a new way of approach. Like all design to now,
the way I understand it, always acted on what people's desires were.
Yeah. You said, where did it come from? It often creates or creates,
you know, it's creating people's, making them want something because of the way it looks.
So it's creating a field of desire or creating their body into something.
Fits in with something that people somehow expect.
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Yeah, it kind of has to. Yeah, because if you're too out there,
it doesn't work. It happens all the time, right? Something's too far ahead of its time. It has to be.
So it has to hit the, feels new, but it's familiar.
But then it also has to make sense. Like if someone designs a car where there's
a big fat tire and it's just in line with the guards, it just looks good.
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Well, yeah. I mean, that's subjective, but I think that's also true.
There's some truth there.
Like, it's a universal truth. Yeah. If you look at the rear of the latest Porsche
GT3, what they've got at the rear, what the rubber is at, it's 385.
Why? 425 or something like that. It's ridiculous.
And it's just like, honestly, you can't put your finger between the guards and
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the tire. It's not possible.
And the car is just like not touching. Yeah, that's why everything you spend
60 years on one car, right?
Just every time it just gets a bit better.
Yeah, I remember when I flared my guards and put the bigger tires on back in
the day when I had that BMW.
I was hitting the guards all the time and I blew tires and shit like that.
Designed for that, yeah.
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Yeah, they were the forefront, pioneering. Because it looked good.
Yeah. And you know, it's a fact. I mean, when you look at a car from a sports
car and it's got that negative ember, that means that the tires are actually facing inward.
Yeah. Rather than actually like X the other way. Yeah. It looks ridiculous. Yeah.
And wheelbarrow wheels on a car don't look good. That's a fact.
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No, it's the truth. We know that. Yeah.
But in this situation, the Mini could do with some, maybe some more off-road
stuff. Yeah, I'm going to look at how to turn that Mini Cooper into a bush basher.
And it's like, maybe let's do it first time ever. I'm going to lift it.
Yeah. And I'm going to put smaller reams on it. Yeah, trucky tires.
Yeah, truck tires. Yeah, so maybe some big spotlights. Yeah,
(42:15):
and just maybe lift the whole thing by half a meter. Jump in there.
Yeah. Yeah, and then sort of like, yeah, tractor tires. Yeah.
Next time I come up, I expect to see that then. Yeah, completely weird thing.
So that's going to be a rally mini.
Future mini. Yeah. So yeah. So it's aligned with the design of the new- Off-grid
mini. Yeah. Yeah. So make the mini a hippie mini.
(42:38):
A mini suitable for hippie communes.
Well, it's a full circle, because that's where they started.
They were very hippie cars, and then became very city cars and race cars,
so now you're just bringing it back to- Yeah.
Back in my days, it was like full on, like the VW and the mini were the hippie
car. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, no, I thought.
But even like the Minis were still race cars then. They were really formidable,
(42:58):
like really low center of gravity and really fast, lightweight, you know. Yeah.
Yeah, I mean, though I was a hippie, the Mini I had was like, was track proven.
So quick getaways then, was it? I had the flowers on it. Yeah, yeah.
Because obviously in those days, the Minis had flowers painted on.
Yeah. Because LeBron had the flared guards.
(43:19):
Yeah. But the flared guards on the trousers.
Yeah. Oh, yeah. Bell bottoms, yeah. And then you obviously flared the guards
of the mini. Yeah. You know, I made it, I made that mini so wide. It was incredible.
You know, it looked good. And then all these beautiful colors of flowers on,
green flowers, purple flowers. It was awesome.
And big exhaust, Abbott, Abbott exhaust. Abbott exhaust. Yeah. This thing was good.
(43:43):
All right. More things change, the more they say the same. Let's get into the, into the hippie idea.
Who knows where we're going to end that conversation, where it started.
That's what it is. We have to return to the hippie life.
Hippie said it right. Now we return to the hippies. Yeah.
(44:03):
Not the bell bottoms though. I won't wear those. I refuse to wear bell bottoms.
So make love, not war. Yeah. That's it. Yeah. Till next time. Be hippie.
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