Friday the 13th Ep. 05 - The Final Terror / The Prey - Get Me Another

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Hello and welcome to Get Me Another, a podcast where we explore those movies that followedin the wake of blockbuster hits and attempted to replicate their success.
My name is Chris Ayanokone and with me today is my co-host Rob Lemorgis.
Now, our other co-host Justin wasn't able to be here for today's episode because
He was taking a hiking trip into the woods.

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Now, he says he'll be back for next week's episode, but to be honest, I'm a touchconcerned.
Who stole my land?
It's Justin.
He's out there stealing the land right now.
Hopefully he'll be back from, you know, the deepest, darkest woods for next week.

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I had to use that line because the final terror doesn't.
It's set up and they don't do it.
It's true.
It's true.
really, really was waiting the whole movie to hear, stole my land?
Nope.
Keep waiting.
Not gonna happen.
Yeah.
Today is episode five in our Get Me Another Friday the 13th series.

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And we'll be looking at two more films that involve groups of hikers venturing into thewilderness.
And interestingly, both of these films were shot around 1980, 81.
but weren't released until a few years later after the first Friday the 13th films hadbecome box office successes.
So first up today is The Final Terror.

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afraid of.
They wouldn't have us up here all night if there wasn't something wrong.
Your friends aren't really missing.
They're not really dead.
This is just some kind of joke.
What the hell was that?
That thing that's out there, whatever it is, can't be real.

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It's just your imagination.
I'm not dreaming!
I'm not dreaming!
Or maybe, just this once, you're dead wrong.
The legend is told in whispers, an unholy tale of an unknown force alien to this world.

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You don't know what you're dealing with, Without knowing, they have awakened a terrifyingevil.
We want to get out of here!
Alone and unprotected, now comes the naked horror.
The final terror.

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Wow, Chris, that sounds like an amazing alien movie.
I know, right?
that.
listen to that, you're like, my God, it's literally an unholy tale of an unknown forcealien to this world.
You think there's got to be some kind of like, it's like a predator.
It's like an early precursor to predator.
Diesel's going to be in this thing.

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Yeah.
It's going to be amazing.
Nope.
Nope, there's no aliens.
no, there's not even like a monster.
It's, it's a killer in the woods, it's not a slasher.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And in a classic version and a really interesting spin on it, to be honest, but it's notthe trailer really makes it sound like it's something from another world.

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My goodness.
And you know what this movie has that's better than something from another world?
What's that?
Joey Pants.
Joey Pants.
Can't go wrong with Joey Pants.
No, no you cannot.
It's interesting because there's actually a whole bunch of notable people involved withthe final terror, both behind and in front of the camera.

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The film was executive produced by Samuel Z.
Arkoff, one of the founders of American International Pictures, which was one of the mostprolific producers of B-movies and drive-in fare during the 50s, 60s, and 70s.
many of the early Roger Corman movies were made for AIP.
I don't need to tell you, Rob, the incredible legacy of American international pictures.

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Not at all.
And they were, they were the ones who put out the, the Corman Poe movies, right?
Yes.
Or am I mistaken?
did.
Amongst many, amongst a billion others.
my God.
They, they, they, it's AIP for, for 30 years.
They were, they were the biggest producer of B movies and drive-in fare.
for three decades and it's incredible that legacy.

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And Arkoff had left AIP after it was sold to Filmways and he founded his own company,Arkoff International Pictures, under which he made the final terror.
The film was produced by Joe Roth, who was a prolific producer, who would later go on tofound Morgan Creek and was the head of 20th Century Fox in the late 80s and early 90s.

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The film was written by John George, Neil D.
Hicks and Ronald Shusett,
the latter of whom co-wrote the original Alien with Dan O'Bannon.
That's why they changed the trailer.
I guess so.
That only makes sense.
And the director of The Final Terror was Andrew Davis, who would go on to direct Above theLaw with Steven Seagal and the 1993 Harrison Ford blockbuster, The Fugitive.

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And this movie...
is he does a great job on this movie.
It was an early film for him.
It wasn't his first, but it was early and it looks beautiful.
It is absolutely beautifully shot.
Yeah.
mean, even the opening with you, you open with all those idyllic nature shots.
and then you hear the motorcycle intruding well before you see it.

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It's just such a nice setup.
It really is.
Yeah, and the direction in this whole thing and the technical credits, it looks great.
It does.
It really does.
And Davis served as his own cinematographer under the pseudonym Andreas Davidescu.
Wow.
Should have seen that one coming.
Well, you know, it was a very complex...

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He was really hiding the ball there.
And while he's not credited as an editor, Alan Holzman, who basically
came in to supervise a re-edit of the film before it was finally picked up by adistributor is similar to what he did with Battle Beyond the Stars.
He kind of came in and took over the picture in the editing room and maybe helped craft itinto the version that eventually would sell.

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So there's a ton of people involved in this movie behind the camera that would go on toreally significant things.
Yeah, and as you mentioned, there are a few.
in front of the camera.
are, there are.
This cast is fascinating.
Who are probably partly the reason, not just Friday's success, why this thing got pluckedoff the shelf a couple years after it was finished.

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Yeah.
Well, we have the film stars, John Friedrich, who was in, and I'm going to go through thepeople and some of the other things they've been in, because in this case, it's really
interesting.
You're going through in probably call sheet order.
The order that you will see this movie advertised to you now is much different.
It's true.
Much, different.

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John Friedrich's probably at the top of the call sheet and he would go on to be to be in avery big mini series in the early eighties called the Thorn Birds.
And wasn't that Alan Quatermain himself?
Yes, Richard Chamberlain and Rachel Ward, who is also in this movie, was also in the ThornBirds as well as Against All Odds, a movie that I've never seen, but I know that

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that Phil Collins song from Against Odds really, really well.
It's one of those songs I'm like, I don't know the movie, but I know that song.
Take a look at me now.
We also have Darrell Hannah.
It's gonna be one of those episodes.
So this gets released like after Splash then, yes?

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It was probably just before Splash, but Darryl Hannah had done Blade Runner.
that's, yes, there we go.
So Darryl Hannah, we have Darryl Hannah in it.
We have Mark Medcalf, who is Niedermeyer in Animal House.
Ernest Hardin Jr., who is in White Men Can't Jump.
Louis Smith, who was Perfect Tommy in The Adventures of Buckaroo Banzai.

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I mentioned Rachel Ward.
Akusia Bousha, who is in the color purple, and of course, Joe Pantoliano, which is comingjust before Risky Business would be a big hit just after this movie, just around that
time.
I think they both came out in 83, but this was obviously shot first.
So it's a big cast.
Is there not one more name on this list?

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Did I?
my God, how could I forget?
my God.
Adrian Zemed of Grease 2.
and TJ Hooker fame, Adrian Zabed.
How can I do that?
Honestly, I should have my Adrian Zabed fan club card revoked.
An eventual host of Solid Gold.
Yeah.
Was he not a Solid Gold dancer?

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yeah.
Like, which is where I full disclosure, I guess, TJ Hooker I was watching.
Who didn't love TJ Hooker back in the Yeah.
Certainly every Star Trek fan loved it.
Certainly every Star Trek fan.
know, occasionally you get Leonard Nimoy as a guest star.
know, that's.
The film was developed under the titles Three Blind Mice and later Bump in the Night wasshot in northern California and southern Oregon in late 1981.

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And it sat on the shelf for two years until it was finally picked up by Calm WorldPictures and released in October of 1983.
And the final terror, it opens, we alluded to this earlier, these beautiful sort of natureshots.
Both of these films today have nature shots, some I found more appealing than others.
But it opens on what appears to be the forest moon of Endor.

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Like just giant trees.
it was shot in the forest of Northern California, which is where Return of the Jedi wouldshoot in a few years.
Man, the woods here are beautiful.
Like they capture the majesty and mystique of the woods.
It's really extraordinary.
Chris, I need to make an inline correction here.

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I was incorrect.
Adrian Zemed was not ever on solid gold because he was the host.
He was the host of Dance Fever.
He was the host of Dance Fever.
Terrio.
okay.
I to see to make that make that very important correction.
I was conflating the two because solid ball dance fever throwing soul training.

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You have the holy trinity of American dance TV music things, particularly from theseventies and eighties.
You know, for sure.
What was the Dick Clark one from like the American dance and American bands?
That was the original.
That's the one where the BC, the BC boys.

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ticked him off when they like dropped the mic at the end of their song.
Hey, those mics cost money.
They were too, they were too beastie boys-ish for Dick Clark's liking.
Yes.
Perfect.
This is another one where we're in the, we're still in the backwoods era of these slasherswhere you are not dealing with a camp, but you're dealing with these just beautiful,

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majestic and slightly frightening.
remote mountain locations.
Yeah, like it's extraordinary.
Both this and Just Before Dawn were shot in the Pacific Northwest area and that's reallysomething.
yeah.
One thing I did notice, because I went back and I was looking at it again after my firstviewing of it, was that the cabin that we'll visit later in the movie, that's sort of a

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key location.
can be seen in those opening shots.
Like it's there and there's a little smoke coming out of the chimney.
So they're setting things up early.
So as you mentioned, we hear a sound of a motorcycle intruding on these woods.
And then we see a couple barreling through the woods on a motorcycle who take a wipeoutafter trying to dodge a tree branch.

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And the wipeout is accompanied by the sound from the $6 million man.
Like whenever he do anything bionic, like it just sounds like that.
And honestly guys, helmets.
I'll just say that.
They should be wearing helmets.
And you know, just because we've been living in lower budget land for some of the movieslast week, I did just want to say that this wipeout looks pretty good.

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They sell it.
Like the stunt of it.
I mean, it's not as good as a car crash on TJ Hooker.
But they didn't have that kind of money.
No, they TJ Hooker money.
Come on.
But like they actually wipe out the motorcycle.
isn't just, you know, bad cuts.
So already you feel like the wipeout for sure.
Absolutely.

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And then the girl, she, her boyfriend's injured.
She goes to leave him, but she can't find help.
And when she returns, the body is nowhere to be found or the boyfriend is nowhere to befound.
I kind of telegraphed it because the body drops down from a tree hanging upside down anddead.
And she freaks out.
She runs off in terror.
And then this booby trap takes her out.

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And the booby trapeze activated by this hidden tripwire.
And it's like two branches that spring out from either side of the road.
Yeah.
Spikes made from jagged can lids.
you could see the blood on the lids.
And it's like, it's very sudden and very shocking.
Like it, I actually stopped and said, shit.
Yeah.

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I mean, for, any early eighties movie viewer, and this would have been done before orconcurrently with it's.
Very first blood.
Yes.
These these booby traps in the mountain.
Yeah, they were around the same time as first blood was being made for sure.
Now this movie then kind of drops the booby traps until the very end.

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Yes.
Yes.
So they go away and then come back.
So you're getting what book end booby traps.
Booby traps for sure.
Which is nice.
That's but what's interesting is this early scene was added later when they after the
principal photography was over and they were trying to sell the film.
They added this scene later in order to have a kill earlier in the film.

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It was shot without Andrew Davis's permission or participation.
And Joe Roth actually had to pay a fine because he did that.
yeah.
DGA rules.
Yeah.
You know, I will say that it it everything you just said, you kind of feel that in themovie.
It's not like a bad opening sequence here with, but it does feel like.

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Hey, we need to kill early.
Let's stick this in because it has absolutely nothing to do with anything.
Right.
It's technically fine, but it doesn't really.
It's just, we we're establishing there's someone out in the woods killing people, and thenwe're going to cut to our characters that we're going to send out into the woods.
And it's it's different from Friday, the original Friday or even Friday part two, whereboth of those early kills are very much connected to what the actual a story is.

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Right here.
I mean, it's the same killer, but
That's it.
It has no connection.
There's no, there's, it's not like, they went up there looking for it.
Nothing on that.
That score.
And again, that's something we'll see in the second film too, does the exact same thingwith a very different couple.
We'll get into that.
different credits.

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cut to Adrian Zemed in a bunk bed reading what I think might've been a magazine aboutmarijuana.
Yes.
And, but he's, he's, he's, think, tilting it at one point, like he's looking at a bigplant centerfold with those, those luscious marijuana leaves.
Yes.
my God.
There's nothing, nothing like the high time centerfold for, for March of 1980.

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and, if he didn't turn it, please don't tell me in my head that he turned it.
He's reading it in bed kind of illicitly.
yeah.
No, it's not, it's, there's something, there's something illicit.
And then he's woken up by Joe Pantoliano's character, Egger, who basically like assaultshim in his bunk and he wakes up this whole group of people with a baseball bat.

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I found myself asking early on in this movie, who are these people?
Like they have way too much liberty to be in prison, but they definitely feel like they'rein some kind of institution.
Yes.
Well, and here, Joe Pantoliano, Egger.
Egger.
He's reaching across to wake up.
Adrian Smith's character, which Marco, Marco, he's reaching like out from behind throughthe dark with like killer hands.

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But then it you know, so it's, is kind of a you it's kind of a fake out you it is so earlyand you just saw a kill sequence that I do wonder if you didn't have that inserted first
kill sequence.
this would have played much differently.
Because when you have that, now you know that this is BS.

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But if this was the first thing you were actually seeing in the movie, it may have playedlike, my God.
Yeah.
know, Marco's about to get it right off the bat.
He does not.
And then it's hard to know who's getting paid, who's in charge.
I think no one is the answer to all of those questions.
It feels a little unclear.
Like it's clearly some kind of institution.

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And on the side of the bus that they're on later says Redwood County Youth Corps.
So it's clearly something, but they're not like prisoners.
They may be, I don't know if they're wayward youths.
And they're not park rangers either.
No, they're not park Because they don't have that kind of authority or training.
And they're not like, it's not like a summer camp in the burning.
Because they're going out on some kind of, they describe it as a work detail that they'realso going to have a little fun on.

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It's a curious thing.
Yeah.
The other thing I realized early on in this movie that Adrian Zemed is a vocaldoppelganger for David Caruso.
listen to them both side by side.
It's uncanny.
I'm like, man, that could be, that could be David, young David Caruso, except the EasternEuropean version.

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Yes.
And, a little bit earlier, right?
Cause he would be a couple of years before Caruso started.
But I've seen Caruso in some early things as early as 84.
Yeah.
you know, had, yeah, cause I mean, he was, yeah, he was acting before he, before he blewup on NYPD blue and then quit the show and then, you know, then quit the show and then we

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got Jay.
Exactly.
That's a movie.
my goodness.
And that will a hundred percent be included in a future.
for sure.
You they're probably fatal attraction or, or basic instinct.
I'm not sure it's basic instinct.
Which one is the, I think they're.
I think Basic Instinct is like the Friday the 13th.
Yes.

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To Fatal Attraction's Halloween.
absolutely.
So Mike, is played by Mark Medcalf, he seems to be the person in charge.
And he's planning this sort of river raft trip that will be part of this work detail.
And he's bringing Marco, another guy named Zorich, Nathaniel, and Richard with him.

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And joining them will be Mike's girlfriend, Melanie, as well as a few of her girlfriends,Wendy, Vanessa, and Margaret.
And it's, I mean, I want to mention, I mean, they go and pick up the girls and like herparents are there.
And I'm just like, if I was a parent and like this bus from this Institute showed up witha bunch of dudes picking up my daughter and her friends, I'd be a little concerned, like

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to be perfectly honest.
It's also weird because those parents are at whatever camp
location.
Yeah.
The girls are out.
It's not like they're picking them up from a house.
This is another unrelated camp location log cabiny thing on the mountain.
And then the fact that no one runs as soon as they see Egger is a big red flag for me.

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I have to point out that Darryl Hannah's character, Windy is, is wearing leaderhosen likefull on
Actual later, Hosen.
And it's amazing.
And Edgar, Edgar is driving the bus, so that's gonna go well.
Edgar kind of serves as a harbinger in this movie, as like as they drive.

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He does not want them to to Mill Creek.
he's like, you don't want to go there.
No Mill Creek.
All I can tell you is it's wild, it's practically untouched, and you're gonna love it.
It's really beautiful.
You're just gonna love it.
Ain't no reason to be there.
Trails don't need no clearing and the streams ain't no good.
lot of wild vines, you girls ain't never been up there, you're gonna have a lot of troublewith these dried out trees, logs keep falling down, branches and stuff.

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A couple friends mine got hurt up there a couple years ago.
One man was killed.
I know a stretch of patch about 30 miles north of here.
It would be a lot easier for y'all to get through.
We got a lot of nice streaming up there and it'd be...
y'all have a better time doing it that way and nobody get hurt.
If I do get you up there, y'all gonna be bitching and moaning about how dark it is and howrough it is till come 12 o'clock midnight.
I won't be there to help Hager, why don't you just drive the bus, all right?

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I'm just warning you, somebody's gonna get hurt if you do this.
I won't tell them, I can...
Shut up, Packard!
I won't tell them all about you.
You hear me, Sarge?
I will take you to no more.
You hear me?
Pick a different site.
Go somewhere closer.
Yeah, he is.
Yeah.
And we have heard earlier, we heard a radio report about Mill Creek.

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Yes.
Did we not?
And the people who were were missing a couple of weeks earlier, which was the couple.
We know.
Yeah.
Yeah.
It's clearly a place.
were the ones who got killed up at Mill Creek.
Exactly.
Exactly.
I gotta say from the outset, I I think the acting is really good in this movie.
I Joe Pantoliano is tremendous.
There is a reason he would go on to such an extraordinary career and that talent ispresent right here because he's terrific.

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Yeah, mean, we've seen this kind of role in these kinds of films before and I mean, youreally cannot say anything other than he knocks it out of the park.
He is both...
There are times when...
It's interesting to me, you both are creeped out and dislike this character, and yet youalso feel for the ostracization from everyone else that this character suffers.

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Not that you excuse really anything that he does.
No.
That is difficult to pull off.
And frankly, I don't know that anyone else would have.
Maybe Betsy Palmer if she were in this role.
Maybe Betsy Palmer, yeah.
It's real interesting because they're driving up.
Once they get everybody on the bus and they're driving up, they pass by this mentalinstitution that Edgar apparently spent some time at and they kind of like make fun of him

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about it, which is a very, very jerky thing to do.
But honestly, these guys are kind of jerks.
Yeah.
Which, you know, it feels very real.
Like these characters feel like real people.
Sometimes they're jerks, sometimes they're likable, but they're
They're complex and real and, and Edgar, maybe most of all.
And a couple things to point out here.

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One to piggyback on what you're saying.
These young people are, I think more, they are more run of the mill jerks as far as youngpeople go.
Because as you say, especially the guys, they do some jerky things, but even the level ofjerkiness, it's not crazy, right?

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They're not, they're not like,
They say things to Egger and they're not nice and they're kind of jerky, but they're notlike, you know, I don't know, like, you know, tying Egger up and putting them up in a
tree, like the crazy stuff that you will see in certain movies.
Yeah.
It's just a kind of thoughtless like comments that people would say if you didn't kind oflike somebody and you were just kind of like you were, it's not like a abusive, although

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he, you know, again, it's, it's, it's, is unkind.
Yeah.
But it's not, not, you know, it it wouldn't go as far as to say it's evil.
Again, these are real people.
They're very, they're real characters that sometimes do unpleasant and unkind thingsbecause that's, that's life.
Yeah.
And additionally, those character traits help to hide the ball a little bit.

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Although we all know what kind of movie we're watching when they do make fun of Egger forhaving lived in a mental institution while
we are watching a horror movie.
But it does hide the ball a little bit on it.
It makes it feel more natural.
At least explains why the characters aren't freaked out by it.

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Right, absolutely.
The most unrealistic thing about any of these characters is the fact that Marco is wearinga beret with a bandana underneath.
Yeah.
Does anybody do that?
Yeah.
So they go, have their first day of work.
It looks like they're like,
clearing a stream or something.
And then that night we get a campfire tale where Richard gives a little bit of localfolklore.

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So once upon a time, not too long ago, this used to be a logging camp right here.
And there was this little sweet 14 year old girl who lived here with a big family.
Her father died.
So her uncle came to take care of the place.

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He was a lumberjack.
And he was a mean son of a bitch.
Mean boy.
And one night, uncle said, hey, Suzy, cute, you want to go for a little walk in the woods?

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So we took her on one of these trails here, way far out, you know, like we are.
And it raped her.
She screamed, but nobody could hear her.
She had to keep all this inside after the rape, because she couldn't tell anybody,because, you know, he was supporting the family.
She was afraid to.

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So she started going crazy.
So what they done is they put her in a mental institution.
You know that one we passed on the way down here?
And while she's in the hospital, they find out that she's pregnant.
So she has this little baby boy.
But the doctor says, well, she's too messed up to take care of the kid.

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So they take the baby away from her.
OK, so 19 years later, this young kid, just about my age, shows up down there at thehospital.
He wants to see this lady.
So they let him in.
And he goes crazy.

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I he just freaks out.
He says, you can't treat my mama like you.
She can't keep her in this garbage can.
It was her son.
He just stole her right out of the place.
Just took her.
But she was so crazy, you know?
He didn't know what to do with it, so he put her out here in these woods so she could livein peace, But the story goes is that whenever anybody camps out around here...

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She sneaks into your camp.
She whispers to you.
She bends down over and you can just smell her breathing on you.
can feel it.
And she says...
First off, this scene is beautifully framed and shot.

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Like the night photography is gorgeous.
You have in one quarter of the frame the campfire itself that's giving off light.
And then you have on the other like diagonally in the like sort of top right of the frame,have Egger and his lamp.
and he's separated from the others, he reacts so harshly to the story, you just have toassume that he's the son in the story.

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mean, there's, you know, he kind of telegraphs it, play it a little cooler, Edgar, andmaybe nobody would guess that.
I also want to call out that this campfire story, even though all of them, you know, forthe most part have involved murder, death, right?
Right.
This one,
takes it even to a harder edge with the, the raping of the local girl that's in thisstory.

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it's, I don't know.
It's just so harsh.
is.
It's very, it's very harsh.
It's, more off putting than when I hear the various stories of Cropsy and Cropsy.
Junior right because there's something about that that feels you know that when he'stalking about madman mars now He's talking it feels more like a ghost tale.
Yes, you know like a spooky campfire This feels like here's something fucking awful thathappened in this area a number of years ago Yeah, so it's just it's it's harder edged and

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not not bad.
Just you know, if you're like you're set up for it Absolutely, and and and Edgar reacts soharshly to the story
He decides to leave and he, you know, and there's a plan in place that he's gonna drop offthe boats at a certain point.
But he's like, I'm out of it.
And that's 20 minutes into this movie.
Yeah.
Which is perfect pacing.
I just wanna.

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Yeah, no, this is a very well paced movie, which is gonna be an interesting contrast tothe second film we'll talk about today.
Yes, it is.
This is a movie that has a story with beats that moves.
Yes.
Yes.
It's a nice luxury in a film.
That night, Zorch and Nathaniel go out to the woods to look for pot because thatsupposedly grows in the area and Marco catches up with him and he's looking to get a share

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of whatever they find.
Zorch convinces him to stay behind as a lookout and he has to how they asked like how fora third of the share.
Howl like a wolf every 45 seconds to let them know things are all clear.
The idea being when the howling stops, they'll know there's a problem.
So this guy's got to end it.
He says, we will be gone a couple hours.

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This guy's got a howl every 45 seconds for a couple.
It's a lot of howling, man.
That's a lot of howling.
And he makes him howl.
The first howls are too low.
He's like, no, no, no.
You mean that's all you can do for food.
You can't do better than that.

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So, woo!
But soon we learn they're just fucking with them.
They're just screwing around with them.
But there's this great moment.
They leave.
And Marco's kind of lying back on the tree and he's howling.
And you see something move in the tree next to him.
what's great about some of the stuff that's happening in this movie where things aremoving and you don't realize it.

(31:59):
They don't accompany it with a musical sting or anything like that to draw your attention.
You just have to be looking for it.
You just have to see it out of the corner of your eye and it's really effective.
whatever is moving has camouflaged itself in branches and things.
Yeah.
So really you're not even seeing that well a human shape.

(32:20):
No, but you are like a tree.
You are seeing the movement of tree and it's clear that it's on someone.
just because of the way the person moves, you can tell that's a human movement, but it'svery unsettling.
Maybe it is a predator.
I mean, until you get to the end of this movie, you might believe it.

(32:41):
Yeah, right.
Because it's not unlike in that movie where they are clearly being stalked in the woods bysomething they can't see.
You know, that turns out obviously to spoiler for Predator.
turns out to be an alien.
Spoiler for Predator.
The first thing you see in that movie is a spaceship.
I'm not spoiling Predator, you know, 40 years on and, you know, but, you know, it feelsalong the same lines.

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The next morning Marco is gone and the group searches for him, but with no luck.
And they take time to search for him.
It's not just simply, hey, let's go on and leave a note.
Like they're really concerned.
This guy is missing.
And again, for you story heads out there, Marco is missing around the 30 minute mark.
great pacing.

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now onto the search for Marco.
Look, Mike has been pretty responsible.
Yes.
Up till now.
He's been up to when the guys get a little out of line.
He tries.
Hey guys, quit messing around.
Hey, Egger, stop being so crazy and weird.
Yes.
He is clearly the authority there as much as there is at the moment of most need whensomeone has gone missing.

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Mike drops the ball so hard.
So hard!
decides, just, first of all, he decides to take the aforementioned bath, which I get, youknow, it's filthy, you're tired, you know, simply, you know, that's one thing.
But then his girlfriend shows up.
even find someone while you're stinky?
I don't think so, Chris.

(34:14):
How would you smell them if your own smell was so overwhelming?
know, like it's...
Exactly.
But then his girlfriend...
Exactly.
his girlfriend shows up and they decide to have sex right there while everybody else islooking for Marco and broad daylight while everyone like it's not it's not like they're

(34:41):
they're at the camp no one will no one will find us right literally everyone is searchingall over
Okay.
It's amazing.
But they're going to suffer for their desire because the killer who's stalking themstrikes and he kills Mark.
He kills Mike, excuse me.
And then he leaves.

(35:02):
Melanie's fate is unknown, which is interesting.
And we're going to come back to that a little bit later.
Yeah.
Well, and the killer strikes while they are They are named coitus.
Yes.
They are in the middle of it and it's a...
Hey, you know, mean, yeah, it's your classic stabbing while the sex is happening.

(35:24):
Yeah.
Yeah.
It's very similar to what we saw in Friday the 13th, part two and going all the way backto Bay of Blood.
Zorch and Nathaniel, they discover this dilapidated shack in the woods.
And frankly, in what I consider to be a massive breach of backwoods etiquette, they decideto go inside and it's a filthy cabin.

(35:47):
It's another filthy cabin filled with all sorts of stuff.
you know, just once, Rob, just once, I want to see a backwoods killer with an absolutelypristine living space.
Like one of those like architectural digest cabins.
Everything is like, is, is, is it's like everything inside is perfect.

(36:07):
The outside is chaotic nature.
The backwoods, killer with a leads certified.
green cabin with solar panels and yes, exactly.
Like everything inside his world is perfect, which is why he wants to kill anybody whodare intrude because they, are bringing in the dirty, dirty outside.

(36:29):
I love it.
Yeah.
Yeah.
so in, in the cabin, find like cans of food, which looked like the same ones that theyhave on the bus.
There was a bit earlier about some of the cans being missing.
they find there some belongings of theirs.
that have been stolen.
So they come to the not unreasonable conclusion that this is Egger's shack and he's beenstealing their stuff.

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They also find women's clothes and a wig and they conclude that Egger dresses in women'sclothes as opposed to maybe the idea that maybe a woman lives there.
That doesn't seem to even enter their head.
It's like, they're very sure it's Egger.
who lives here and that this is his place.
And when they find the wig and the women's clothing, they are very mature about it aswell.

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They are not very mature at all.
Everything you think, you know, they're jerks in every way you think they might be.
They also find a severed wolf's head in the cabinet.
And after that, they decide maybe it's time to get the hell out of there.
Because it's, you know.
And that is really a fun part because it's not.

(37:35):
Again, this is not a movie that revels in like Savini ask gore.
No, no, no.
That Wolf's head you can see some it's cause it's dark in the shelf and it's got theevocative blood and things.
So, know, this is like, there's like a worm or a man or something.
It is not a stuffed trophy.
Yeah.
This is.

(37:55):
viscera or whatever.
it's very effective.
it absolutely is.
Yeah, no, this movie's not going for those Savini-esque effects, but when it does havesomething, it works very well.
Like when it does have something like this, it's done very, very well.
It can still shock you just in a different way.
Absolutely, absolutely.

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So that night, the killer approaches the camp while they're sleeping.
Despite the fact that Zorch is on guard duty and the killer touches one of the girls onthe forehead, it's a chilling moment.
Like again, this filthy claw-like hand.
Again, I want a killer in one of these movies to have great fingernail maintenance at somepoint.
But they're all like the filthy, dirty, long nails.

(38:38):
And this hand reminded me of that stranger from Twin Peaks The Return.
yeah, absolutely.
So the girl, she wakes up screaming, understandably so.
Everybody's awake and terrified.
And then a figure approaches from the distance and you can't see who it is at first.
And as it gets closer, it gets closer.

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And it turns out to be Marco.
This was genuinely surprising to me.
Genuinely surprising.
It was Marco.
He's like, apparently he was out there looking for weed the whole time.
And I'm like, they're all happy to see him.
I would have been freaking pissed.
I'm like, you just wandered off for like a day, man?
What the hell?
He did come back with a lot of weed.

(39:20):
So I think that that subplot paid off.
Who would have thought?
I suppose.
I mean, the only one who's appropriately annoyed was Vanessa, who the whole time doesn'twant to be there.
She's just trying to read her book, man.
Like, I don't I mean, I don't blame her.
You know, why did she even go on this trip?
I'm not sure.
Yeah.
So she goes off to use the bathroom.

(39:42):
And again, this is a movie.
There's an outhouse and this is a movie that brings home how gross nature really is.
Like you see her.
The average indoorsman.
can see it showing.
It's true.
It's true.
But like she's putting down pieces of toilet paper on the, on the, on the seat of the, ofthe toilet.

(40:03):
I'm like, girl, that is not going to cut it.
That is those, that little, those little thin sheets of toilet paper are not going to cutit.
Especially when she finds.
pieces of Mike's body in the outhouse, including his severed head, which, you know, theneverybody freaks out because now you know, there's, there's, there's a killer, you know, I
mean, he's severed head and everybody is appropriately freaked out.

(40:26):
including Zorch, it just kind of goes off and throws up.
It's, know, again, their reactions are real and, and, and, you know, that may all makesense.
This is another, I guess breaking with the Friday movies thus far, which is
The Friday one and two to a slightly lesser degree.
mean, really until you get to the final girl, no one knows they're in a horror movie.

(40:50):
The minute you know you're in a horror movie, you're dead.
Right.
There's there's killing all the way through, but people don't know what's happening.
It's like the it's the Laurie Strode side of Halloween, not the Dr.
Loomis side of Halloween.
Exactly.
In this movie, though, it's, you know, somewhere around halfway through or whatever.
You've got you've got a fair bit of movie left.

(41:11):
and everyone in it knows they're in a horror movie, their life is in danger, and now whatdo they do?
So it does give it a different feel, you know?
It comes at the midpoint rather than the end of Act Two, where people realize that theyare in fact, that the danger is real.
So now they know they're in trouble, and they also firmly believe that Edgar is thekiller.

(41:32):
So after some debate, they follow Zorich's plan to take the fight to Edgar, and they planan assault on the cabin.
Now...
Rob, I think there's a particularly interesting element here that's actually been presentin a number of the other survivalist slashers that we've watched, but it is much more

(41:52):
front and center here, and that is the specter of the Vietnam War.
All of these films are being made in the late 70s, early 80s.
The Vietnam War was less than 10 years in the rear view, and here you have this group ofkids unprepared.
for what is awaiting them in the wilderness and completely out of their depth against anopponent who knows the terrain better than them.

(42:14):
And it just, the Vietnam metaphor feels very clear here, more so than any other moviewe've watched so far, although it was definitely present in those films.
Yeah, because here, I think the killer's use of very natural camouflage and that sort ofthing, and the booby traps, all of that really give it more of that feel.

(42:37):
for sure.
when the kids, put on like camouflage and then like they paint it it drives home.
It feels like it's kids playing war.
Yeah.
You know, and that would be, you know, there's there's a certain it all feels it feelslike, this is happening in the wake of of sort of the national psyche that had developed,

(43:01):
you know, in the Vietnam era because of what the nation went through at that time.
And even Zorich later explicitly starts talking about it.
This is towards the end of the film.
He specifically mentions that, you know, they're talking about why they lost the war andhow they're in the same situation.
You know something?
If had all this, I'd respect it.

(43:28):
That's the reason we lost the war.
You know that, don't you?
Well, the VCs knew that.
They did.
They knew about the force.
So it's very clear here.
It's present in the other films, but it's front and center here.
Yeah, it stops being subtext.

(43:50):
Yeah, that's exactly it.
just how much they are out of their depth is driven home when they get inside the cabin.
And they do find a hand in a jar, which freaks them out.
I would be freaked out by a hand in a jar too.
What I find interesting is they don't even realize.
They go in that cabin, they spend a little time, and then they go out and they don't evenrealize that the killer is hiding beneath the floor the whole time with a knife to

(44:15):
Melanie's throat, the girl that the killer took.
And, you know, they go looking for her, and she's there, but they can't find her.
And it's honestly, I think it's the first time I can think of in one of these films, theantagonist essentially takes a hostage, which is interesting.
Yes.
And it's also, they never go back and show you, but one wonders the first time they wentin this cabin, if the killer was also there then, when they were messing with all the

(44:47):
killer's stuff.
talking about Egger and all of that.
In the end of the day, you, don't know, but it's, it's entirely possible.
Yeah.
The killer was there both, you know, both times they visited that cabin.
So then they decide they're to get the hell out of there.
They, they, they have a raft that they have, and they proceed down the river on it, sortof struggling against the current again, shades of deliverance where the trip down the

(45:13):
river is very, very much front and center.
And, and there's this amazing shot.
where they pass by this rocky outcropping.
And once they go past it in the boat, the rocky outcropping starts to move.
And you realize it's the killer in this amazing camouflage.
It is a tremendous, it looked amazing.

(45:36):
was like, I actually went, I rewound it.
was like, we went back and it was, I was like, that looks great.
And as they're going down the river, Melanie's body is thrown onto the boat.
So then now it's like they're, essentially being hunted.
They eventually find the bus that Edgar had that Edgar was driving abandoned on the roadand they decide to take shelter there.

(45:56):
And Rob, do they, do they make smart decisions at this point, you know, when they're like,or do they, or do they do the dumb thing?
I think we, I think we know they're going to.
They're going to do the dumb thing, Chris.
They do the dumb thing.
They decide to smoke the weed they have because you know, now is really the time to getmore paranoid.
Yeah.
Also it wouldn't work.
They don't know anything about weed.

(46:17):
Cause if you just pick it, it's not gonna, you have to like dry and cure that liketobacco.
really?
Yeah.
Yeah.
No, you don't just like pluck it off of something and then go to town.
That's not how that works.
So I've been told.
So you've been told.
There you go.
But at worse.
Zorich, they found a jar of magic mushrooms in the the shack.

(46:38):
He takes it with them and he decides to eat some of the mushrooms.
So when we hit up like he's really in a different place during this this last part of thefilm.
My goodness.
Yeah.
And I would just say again, folks, if you are at the killer's mystery shack, don't

(47:01):
Eat stuff from inside the killer's mystery shack.
Honestly, I don't think go in the killer's mystery shack at all.
That's my feeling.
Yeah.
But, certainly don't eat whatever you find.
Maybe that was to incapacitate a victim.
It's not their recreational.
You just don't know.
Right.
They don't label things very well.
No.
I mean, honestly, it'd be great if they did.

(47:22):
Again, pristine killer's shack with everything like with with like a label maker.
Everything has got it's like the Batcave where everything's got a label on it, you know.
I just want something different.
It's a sativa strain with 20 % CBD and yes, we're going to we're going to get the ratiosall on the killer's drugs.

(47:44):
Well, you know, it's we see we have this shot.
We cut away at one point to Egger in the cabin and he's talking to someone about how hetold them not to come.
He seems very upset about the whole thing.
Yes.
And that night the bus is attacked.
Darryl Hannah's character, Wendy, is seriously wounded.
And the group decides that they need to lure the killer, who they still believe is Egger,to somewhere where they have the advantage.

(48:08):
And they find this ravine with this huge downed redwood tree, and there they lay a trap.
And Marco, he's out there as bait, trying to draw Egger out.
And the group, Egger does appear, and he attacks Marco.
And the group then attach attacks Egger as Zorich watches high as a kite.

(48:29):
And there's what, like four or five kids still left.
So they have a have a sizable group.
Yeah, it feels very Lord of the Flies.
This all feels very Lord of the Flies where they're just they're going after the guy theythink is responsible with no thought given to whether he actually is or not.
But also, I mean, this is this is not a horror movie that's ending with one, maybe twopeople.

(48:51):
No, you're ending with like a whole group.
of survivors.
Yeah.
Most of the people make it out of it a lot.
It's real interesting.
Yeah.
But as the group's attacking Egger, the real killer climbs out of that massive dead treetrunk, which is an amazing shot because this thing is huge.
It's one of the huge redwood trees and it's down on its side and the killer climbs out ofthe truck.

(49:14):
It's like, my God.
And the killer attacks Zorch and sends him falling to his death.
And the killer, as you probably have already guessed,
is Eger's mother.
And the story that Richard told around the campfire was true.
mean, it's not a shock at this point, but that doesn't mean it's not effective.
Like, it does work.
Yeah, I mean, there's quite a while.

(49:36):
I mean, really, as soon as you hear that story, you...
The only thing left to the mind is whether Eger...
Like, what's the combination?
Who's actually doing the killings?
Is Eger the mother or Eger and the mother?
By the end, you realize Eggers caring for the mother and trying to keep people away, buthe will kill to cover up what she's Right.

(49:59):
Exactly.
Exactly that.
Yeah.
It's some combination thereof.
Eggers mom sets off this trap that they had set, which is this huge spiked log that she isspeared by.
And the whole thing is so incredibly shot.
Like the cameras like on the log and you're moving with it as it hits her.

(50:20):
And it's cool.
It's amazing filmmaking.
And she's just like in the end, she's just swinging their debt as the as the credits startto roll.
As you said, the there is a relatively low body count.
There's there's Mike and Melanie and then Zorich at the end.
But most of these guys are getting out, but they are going to be.

(50:41):
Don't go back into the woods again, man, like I wouldn't be.
yeah, mean, screwed up by this.
There's a lot of therapy bills.
Yes.
And this is a much different feel than something like the end of a Halloween four.
Right.
So this isn't quite, they're messed up and now they're going to become the killer nextmovie.
But you are left with, there isn't really the feeling of relief of having survived.

(51:08):
Yeah.
You just skip that and you go almost straight to the, my God.
As you said, like how, how messed up are.
are you going to be for having survived this and doing what you had to do?
Yeah, it doesn't quite have that cathartic feeling.
It's, but it's good.
Like I, I really, this, this is up there with just before Dawn.

(51:29):
I really liked both of them and they're similar.
they, have different things they emphasize, but, but they're both really good.
And in that survivalist, horror genre.
Yeah.
think just before Dawn probably has more interest in the scare sequences.
Yeah.
Whereas,
This film, I think has a little more interest in the characters, psychology of it all.

(51:53):
Not that both of them don't have both.
It's just kind of like what the focus is.
And then there are times in like when you're doing the river and some of the wood kind oftraps and things where they aren't exactly action sequences, but you go, yeah, the guy who
directed the fugitive totally directed this.

(52:13):
Like you can see it.
Yeah, right.
And as you mentioned, Rambo was kind of being made around the same time.
That specter of the obviously that is a movie that is explicitly dealing with the Vietnamexperience and the post Vietnam experience.
But it has a survivalist bent there as well, although in it in obviously a different way.

(52:34):
The biggest issue I have with The Final Terror is that title.
It doesn't tell you anything.
And I'm not even sure how it's the final terror.
Like it's just.
It's like, what does that mean?
Like that, in the UK apparently was released as campsite massacre, which doesn't reallyfit either.
so I don't know.
You watch this movie and you come up with a better title.

(52:54):
We want to know what it is.
Yeah, it would be good.
And the final terror on the poster, the way that it's kind of angled, it looks vaguelylike a UFO beam that's going to suck you up into the sky.
I do really think they were just going for
They were like, we're going to make people think.
For the total misdirect.
Yeah.
It's, it's, yeah.
Both the marketing campaign is, is, is both poster and trailer are total misdirect.

(53:16):
Yes.
It's interesting because our second film today came out one week after the final terrordid in November of 1983, but actually sat on the shelf even longer.
This is the prey.

(53:37):
Man, am I ready for tonight.
First you played real cool, then, flip it right to her.

(54:20):
This is I saw it.
You know, it's funny because where the trailer for the final terror hinted at some kind ofcreature stalking the characters, the trailer for the prey is much more straightforward.
But the poster, the tagline on the poster is, it's not human and it's got an axe, which isfrankly awesome.

(54:44):
But the killer in the prey is absolutely human.
Like it's not human and it's no, it's totally human.
It does have an axe for a little while.
But like- For some of it.
Yeah, for some of it.
It's just interesting how they market these.
The Prey was directed by Edwin Brown, who co-wrote the film with his wife, Summer.
It was produced by Essex Productions, a company that primarily, although not exclusively,made adult-oriented films.

(55:12):
In fact, Brown had produced one of Essex's earlier horror efforts, 1979's
human experiments.
The film was shot in late 1979, early 1980s, so it actually predates the release of theoriginal Friday the 13th, but it was unable to find a distributor until 1983 when it was
finally picked up and released by Roger Corman's New World Pictures.

(55:32):
Like several other films we've discussed in this series, The Prey follows a group ofhikers on a camping trip in a remote location where they are stalked by a backwoods
killer.
The film is set in the Rocky Mountains of Colorado, although it was shot in the Idylwilearea of California.
It stars Debbie Thurrisson, Steve Bond, Laurie Lithlin, Robert Walk, Gail Gaines, andPhilip Wenkes as the campers.

(55:58):
And in addition, Jackson Bostwick, the second actor to play Shazam on the 1970s TV series,as well as Jackie Coogan in what would be his final film role, and Carol Strouken, the
giant from Twin Peaks.
So Rob,
This movie bridges the gap between the 60s TV series of the Adams family and the 90s movieincarnation, because Coogan was Uncle Fester and Sturken was Lurch in the movies.

(56:23):
Yeah.
And it is, they're both great in this as well.
They are.
They are actually really good.
They are the best actors that I think the movie has.
I would agree with that statement.
The movie, it opens with sort of the stock footage of a raging wildfire.
We're told this is the North Point area of the Keene Wild Forest in 1948.

(56:49):
then the opening credits were showcased a very full moon.
And then we jump ahead to a couple who are camping out and enjoying their dinner over thecampfire.
And it's an interesting choice, because most slasher movies focus on younger people.
But here we're starting with a couple of middle-aged folks.

(57:11):
I have kind of boring in contrast to the Friday teens going off to have sex at camp in theoriginal Friday the 13th.
And I don't just say that because of the obvious funny reasons.
No, but literally they just sit there.
These two are, they're doing nothing.
They're doing nothing.
there eating and they don't see a lot.

(57:32):
Nope.
They mostly say good chow.
Yeah, like multiple times they say good.
They're really into the chow.
After dinner, the husband lights up a pipe and decides to do a little late night woodchopping because there's nothing you want to do after dinner than just chop down a bunch
of chop, bunch of logs, sharpen your axe.

(57:54):
Well, I'm going to take a walk.
I'm going to take a walk down to the lake, Chris.
with a pile of dirty dishes like I know you got to clean the dishes, but I mean, do it atnight.
Like how are gonna see if they're clean?
I know, I usually leave them for the morning if I'm camping, but that's just, know.
I know we're camping, but I would do the same.

(58:18):
So she and the wife's going down in pitch dark to clean the dishes and she hears a scream.
We see the pipe drop to the ground and she returns.
find her husband with his head chopped clean off.
Like it's just, it's gone.
It's right there.
And then the bloody axe starts to swing at her.
It's an interesting start for this movie.

(58:42):
And this is the kind of film that when a bloody axe swings at a victim, what you see is acloseup of the sky.
Yeah.
And then the acts coming into and out of frame.
And that's how you know she and then you'll cut to her screaming face.
That's how you know she got it.
That those are the ground.
Yeah.

(59:04):
So evocative.
It's also interesting because in this beginning section, I know it was shot before.
I do wonder if the score was done after because this thing just sounds so heavilyinfluenced by Manfredini.
Like it does.
I had that.
is.
It is quite influenced by.
So I wonder if it got scored later.

(59:25):
I wouldn't be surprised because it feels downstream of both Manfredini and BernardHerrmann's psycho score as well.
Like it's, it's definitely in that vein.
There's a lot of first person shots of killers moving through the, with a killer movingthrough the woods, a lot of first person shots in that first sequence.
And, I mean, let's just straight, this movie is a doldrum.

(59:48):
my goodness, it does not move.
It is slow.
Like, my God.
In the first 15 minutes, you really don't get much besides the shot of an ax swingingacross the frame.
And good chow.
And chow.
So much good chow.
And like, this movie doesn't really want us to get to know the kids or the young adultswho are gonna be camping that much.

(01:00:15):
No.
will take time to do things like there is a character when we finally get to the, van ofsinging teens or whatever, singing young adults, when they stop to get their forest
permit, like they stop and get the forest permit.
And then the movie takes the time to show one of the girls going to the porta potty.

(01:00:38):
Is there anything interesting about the porta potty or that matters?
a matter of fact, Rob, there is because it's funny you should say that because the
Porta Potty is brought to you by Hardee's Candrelief.
That is a fantastic name for a Porta Potty company.
And I was so focused.
was like, I was looking for anything.
I'm like, I noticed the sign on the side of the Porta Potty, Hardee's Candrelief.

(01:01:02):
That is, that is great.
So yes, yes, there was interesting things about the Porta
Yeah, you know, the old thing like, well, yeah, you don't, you don't show people going tothe bathroom in a movie, even though it's real, cause it's boring.
And what does it matter?
Right.
Well, in this movie you do.
And the other thing about it, my God, endless, endless closeup shots of animals in nature,like bugs, snakes, all sorts of wildlife, all interspersed throughout the film for reasons

(01:01:34):
I don't understand.
I won't lie to I was watching Mutual of Omaha's Wild Kingdom, Chris.
my God!
just goes full...
because it's not menacing.
No, it's just random.
nature show for like a minute or two every now and again.
And some of them are fine.
Some of them drag.
Yeah.
But like some of them are gross and like the furry spider.

(01:01:56):
Forget it.
I don't want to see that.
I know, you're not a spider guy.
No, no.
It's also the nature photography and even the, the, the Vistas, the cinematography justisn't on the par of like just before dawn or the final terror.
No, the animal shots that they have are, you know, unsurprisingly taken with suchtelephoto lenses that they're so flat.

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just is kind of like takes you out of the movie completely.
Well, apparently, apparently about 70 % of the animal material was stock footage.
about 30 % is not a surprise to me.
That is not Apparently Edwin Brown said he incorporated the animal footage to strengthenthe analogy of predators and prey.
I got the analogy.

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Like, boy, did I get that analogy.
He also probably needed to make the running time.
you see, you know.
This minutes or something as it is.
Rob, it's the slowest 80 minutes of my life.
my God.
It just and like I know like in Cannibal Holocaust, you can use real life animal footageto great effect.

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I know that there are other issues with the way with how it got that animal footage.
Sure.
But you know, this movie, it's just it doesn't work.
my God.
It's so it's 80 minutes and it is so slow.
It's it's like the anti seven samurai.
Whereas that movie is four hours and it moves like lightning.
This movie is, the slowest 80 minutes.
mean, you don't really know much about the kids or what they're doing.

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There's no, there's no relationship subplot until about 50 minutes in or something.
It's like, then they quickly dispense with that subplot.
It's crazy to me.
Barely even get their names.
Like it wasn't even like, it's, it's just, so we introduced the main characters.
The main characters are three couples who arrive.
in a camping area in a van.

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It's the second movie in a row with kids singing cheesy songs on the road.
They get out and they encounter a forest ranger, Mark O'Brien, played by Shazam's JacksonBostwick.
There's something odd about him in this movie.
I don't know what it is, but there's just something a little, I wasn't sure if they weretrying to like, maybe he's the killer, but- I think he found mama's mushrooms from the
final terror, because he acts a little odd this whole movie.

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Just the whole movie.
Yeah.
The three girls are into this dude though, because the guys that go off to get the permitand the girls, are into this guy, something hard.
are, they are, you know, they're into him fierce.
pretty hunky.
I guess it's a, they tell us that he's pretty hunky.

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So they go off the groove, gobs off on their, on their trip and they, they walk throughsome beautiful areas.
It looks like we're like,
a landing party from the Enterprise would have beamed down to on the original Star Trek.
It's like the meadow.
it has that look and we get another set of gross hands as the killer is stalking thegroup.
The Ranger, by the way, warned the kids not to go up to North Point, but he didn't reallybother to tell them why.

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And again, the impression is just like, stuff has happened.
but nobody seems to know why.
This is another movie where the Rangers don't actually know what's going on.
Right?
No, they don't.
No one knows.
at one point, Gail, one of the girls falls behind because she's brushing her hair and herfriends just keep going.
Well, they don't seem to be concerned.

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Hey, look to give, I want to give my man, Greg props who is Gail's boyfriend.
Right.
Greg, you know, he sucks in his own way, but yeah, he told me.
actually says, come on, Gail, let's go.
And she, she essentially says, leave.
I'm brushing my hair.
I'll catch up.

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And then she gets so mad that he does it.
mad.
So bad.
So bad.
And while she's brushing her hair, she, she senses someone watching her and kind of freaksout.
There's no real contact.
She just thinks someone's there.
We know someone's, we know someone's there because we hear the breathing of the killer,but she doesn't hear that.

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No, nor does she see anything.
She gets freaked out for absolutely no reason.
A bunch of birds.
She runs into a bunch of birds and scares a bunch of birds.
gale sense is tingling.
Yes.
I don't, I really didn't understand because she sees and hears nothing.
Nothing.
And then all of a sudden is just running through the woods like Jason Voorhees is behindher with a machete.

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Like, it's out of nowhere.
Really, it's, it's, and then she gets back to the others and tells them that someone wasthere and they're all like, sure, Gale, sure.
Bastards, why didn't somebody wait for me?
I could have been raped or killed out there.
By what, Galey?
A horny chipmunk?
There's nothing out there that could hurt you.

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Greg here you gotta watch out for.
hear it comes down to his knees.
Ha, a lot you know.
There was something out there and it followed me here.
Hey, Gail, did you get lost?
Screw you.
There was something out there.
There really was.
Sure, Gail.
Sure.

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They do gaslight her pretty great.
And it turns out our group is camping on the same spot where the couple in the opening wasfound.
They find the pipe that the guy dropped when his head was chopped off and they proceededto smoke some weed in that pipe.
And again, I'm just, I'm not, I'm not passing judgment on, on marijuana.
I'm just like, you don't know where that pipe's been.
You just found that on the ground on the forest.

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What's wrong with you?
Also, cause today, apparently I'm the, the smoking expert.
that that's going to taste so weird getting smoked through that pipe and God knows whatkind of like mid level pipe tobacco that guy from the opening was using in that thing for
the last 20 years.
You do not want to use that pipe kids.
No, no.

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I mean, honestly, it's like the six most boring characters in any slasher movie.
Like they like I mean, we had don't go into the woods, but like they had more personalitythan these guys.
At least Craig was an asshole.
They were bad personalities, but personalities.
Yeah.
One of them was brunette.

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One of them was red like personalities.
I don't even know what these personalities are, but at least Chris
I know it's been a slow act one, but we're getting in to that transition from one end totwo.
We're going to get our campfire story that's going to set all of the lore and themythology of the world for us.
100 % right.
This is going to happen.

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I'm getting excited.
So this movie is going to, it's going to, it's going to strangle hold us into the story.
We're going to rock it in with propulsion from here on out.
Well, well, well, here's the thing.
There's, there is a scene where they're sitting around the campfire and, I swear to God,
I swear, I am certain.
I was not there when they made this film, but I can tell you as if I was that the directorsaid to the actors, just make some small talk, whatever.

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And then he shot that and he puts it on screen for literally five minutes of them makinglike made up small talk.
Yeah, really it was amazing.
I told you that story, didn't I?
And I'm just like, it's, it's, it's what, what are we listening to?

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What is happening?
This is not real dialogue.
Well, but the inner cut, the theory of montage Eisenstein stuff that's going on in thesequences, shall we say it is not graduation day.
God.
Yes.
God.
It's, then, then one of the, one of the guys starts talking about constellations and I'mlike, I'm thrilled.

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I'm thrilled because I'm like, yay, scripted dialogue.
Yay.
And then his friends just laugh at him because they think he's a big nerd.
I'm like, you know, come on.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Shouldn't have left Gale behind.
Now they're going to just laugh at your constellation knowledge.
but then one of the guys.
decides to tell a campfire horror story.

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now, now, okay, we're going get the We're going to get the lore.
We're going to get the lore.
We're to get the lore.
Here comes the mythology.
By this point in the series, we've had a number of movies with campfire horror storiesthat are going to give you that local lore that inevitably turns out to be true.
Yeah.
We've heard about Jason.
We've heard about Cropsy.
We've heard about Madman Mars.
We've heard about Eggers mom and you know, like, yeah, exactly.

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This, this is what this sub genre does.
Absolutely.
So the prey tells a campfire story that has nothing to do with anything whatsoever.
It's the fucking monkey's paw.
It's the worst telling of the monkey's you've ever my God.

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It's the worst telling of the monkey's paw.
The most commonly told campfire tale ever.
They did it on a Simpson's Halloween special.
What what is happening here?
Like it is.
God, my God, yeah, it's especially crazy, cause in about 24 minutes in this movie we getthe lore story.

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The real story will come eventually, but but so over halfway through the movie.
Yeah.
We a bunch of hijinks of kids hiding in trees and scaring their friends.
We scare one girl, she literally faints.
She literally faints unconscious.
Yeah, I know.

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You know what I'm itching for though?
What?
What could make this movie, this is a tough movie, what could make it maybe work, go downa little smoother?
Let's just stop the story completely for some banjo.
you

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Yeah, I think that's a great idea.
interlude.
Yeah.
We cut away from the main characters to our forest ranger, O'Brien, doing a banjo solo inhis cabin.
Apparently, Jackson Bostwick was an accomplished banjo player, so they just said, hey.
He is accomplished.

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They are not faking it.
He's playing the banjo.
he's playing that banjo.
It is one of the most entertaining moments in the movie where I actually was half...
Like I'm half joking, but also it's one of the most enjoyable parts of the movie for me isthe banjo playing.
I'm just like, and I'll say this.
I think Don't Go in the Woods was a more was objectively a better made movie from atechnical point of view.

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But here it's like, you know, in that movie, we had the constant car wash, as you calledit, of characters kind of coming out, appearing, being killed here.
I'm just like, kill someone, anyone, please.
Yeah.
I think you switched the prey is technically a better technical movie.
Yeah.
When you look at the, the prey is a tech is a better technical movie, but man, nothinghappens.

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No, it, it, it like it's defiantly nothing.
Yeah.
Like it's going to have its way to make a statement, but I don't know what the fuck saystatement that is.
no.
And like, I, and look, I like Lars von Trier's Antichrist.
can
Like slow movies with low body counts are fine for me, but this sure, it just feels likeliterally it's, it's the Seinfeld of slasher movies.

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It's not funny.
It isn't.
That's the thing is there's no, there's no bit about Grape nuts to keep it going.
Like it's just, is not, instead we get a close up of one of the guys kissing hisgirlfriend and he might literally be the worst kisser in a motion picture.
Like he's, it looks like he's literally eating her face.

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is deeply unpleasant.
Yes.
Not, trying to look passionate.
It's that's not how human beings, it's like an alien approximating how they think humanbeings would kiss.
And it's like, it doesn't, maybe it is the alien from the, that didn't appear in the finalterrors is one of the

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the campers in this movie trying to kiss his girlfriend.
Cause I'll tell you, if you want to be sensual, what you need to do is slowly rotatearound in a hot tub, just slowly around and around.
Who knows what happens underwater.
Finally, the killer does strike when Gail is smothered within her sleeping bag and herboyfriend, Greg is out in the woods with his lantern and the lantern goes out and the

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lantern goes out.
in what is clearly an insert shot.
Yep.
Now, the reason I know this is because you catch as as like the lantern is being likeraised that, you know, without without a light in it, you catch the hat of the guy holding
the lantern.
Greg does not have a hat on.

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It is clearly like I'm like, you can at least keep the hat on the shot.
Come on.
Greg has some big hair, like very much.
That's a big hair.
Yeah, like, yeah.
Yeah, exactly.
Like, horse shack hair, you know?
So he lights a match and the killer approaches, he tears Greg's throat open with his claw.
And the next day, Greg and Gail are nowhere to be found and none, all of their stuff isgone.

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And the rest of the group has to decide what to do.
Are they going to go back?
Are they going to continue on forward?
Should they stay in search?
I mean, we saw this in the last movie where it's like, there's a lot of...
There's a lot of dramatic meat to be had in what should we do and should we try and findthem?
Absolutely.
There is innate drama.
There is a real dilemma.

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And this movie minds it for absolutely zero.
Nothing.
Yes.
Let's have two members of your party disappear and you kind of shrug it off and just shutit off Leave a note and go on and it's like, well, yeah, I guess that's hey dummies.
We're over this place You actually see the note later.
It's it says hey dummies.
Yeah, it's We then cut back to the forest ranger telling a story about a wide-mouthed frogto his deer This is my second favorite see

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My favorite scenes coming up and you know what it is.
my God.
Now the framing of this is amazing because at first it's it's in kind of a medium closewhere you know it's like chest high on the Ranger telling this story clearly to an

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audience as he's petting this deer and you you I was wondering like how are they going towork this group of school children that he's clearly telling this
this story to into this movie.
Ranger Ranger Scout Troop three is listening to the.
But then you you bounce out for the for the establishing long shot and there is no one butthe deer is talking to a deer.

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Yeah.
He's talking to a deer, a young deer.
Which the odd way he's been acting all movie clicks into place.
You're like, this guy has gone crazy.
Yeah.
being alone on the mountain.
Yeah.
So then we go to his boss.
We have a scene with his boss, the head of the Rangers, Lester Tile.

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And Lester's gotten a missing person report about the couple from the opening scene.
Now I know his name, Rob, and I'll tell you why, because he's got a huge nameplate on hisdesk that reads, desk of Lester Tile.
Like, it is gigantic.
He really wanted you to know that was his desk.

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Yes.
And if you, believe if you go to IMDB, you will see, I think there's a still of, of JackieCoogan at that desk with the, with the nameplate.
for sure.
And this is Jackie Cougar who was, who was, uncle Fester in the, the, the Adam's family insixties.
was a child actor, went back, you know, had a long, long career going back to CharlieChaplin.

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long, but, but you know, with, with some sadness because,
The Cougans law is named after Jackie Cougan because he was the child star whose parentsessentially took all of his earnings and you like spent it all.
And we now have laws based on this, but I have a sneaking suspicion.
This is why he is in the prey because all of his earlier money, they moved.

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Apparently gone.
So then, then we have a conversation between the two Rangers, between Lester tile and, andranger Shazam and,
It is a conversation about cucumber and cream cheese sandwiches that I swear to God isplayed for more drama than the conversation about the missing friend.

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Like it is serious.
Morning Lester.
How about a sandwich?
Here we got cucumber and cream cheese on oatmeal bread.
Do people really eat that?
Come on, that's good stuff.
I'll make you an extra one in you change your mind.

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What's up?
Looks like we got another lost couple.
Where?
The same place as last month.
Up at North Point.
Who are they?
Sylvester, Frank and Mary.
They're middle-aged and they're supposed to be good campers.

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How long they overdo?
Well, that's...
The wilderness permit says that they oughta been out last week.
They probably just decided to stay out a little longer.
Yeah, maybe.

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Hey, tell me the truth on something.
Are those sandwiches any good?
Sure.
Here.
Do yourself a favor and try one.
And it's here, like 50 minutes into the movie, that we get some idea of the backstory.
At long last, we get some idea of the backstory.
One thing that bothers me is that North Point.

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It's a real spooky place.
15, 20 years ago they had a fire up there.
Worst fire ever saw.
And I know because I fought it.
It was the worst mother fire in history.
They had a bunch of gypsies that lived up there in a cave.

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Mostly potters, you know.
Well, when we got in there and started finding bodies, found those gypsies just burnt to acrisp.
I mean, that's how it is.
whole families huddled together, fried right together.

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You couldn't pull them apart, tell which was which.
It wasn't.
Are you gonna finish that sandwich?
I swear to God, Uncle Fester, just get on with the story!
Well after...

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the fire was put out, the Forest Service Center's back in there to replant.
I never said anything about this, never told a soul.
but I saw something back there.
I just got a glimpse of it, but it disappeared in the brush.

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Well, what was it?
The only way I could describe it was that it was a young boy.
He was burnt like nothing you've ever seen in your life.
And look, we call out stuff of being of its time and its era.
So obviously this story would fall into that category as well.

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like, yes.
yeah.
Cannot believe that, the gypsies are the enemies in this movie.
yeah.
Because Colorado is famous for its Romani population.
living out in the wilderness.
it's hatred of, yes, anyway, it is, yeah.

(01:22:54):
Yeah.
So now, Rob, I want to mention this is important because the international home videorelease of The Prey has an alternate cut of the film with a sequence not included in the
theatrical release.
And in this alternate version, a Romani named Marco seduces a local woman.

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And when she returns home with a hickey, she tells her husband that she was raped.
Then the husband and his buddy, they go to the Romani camp with gasoline cans and burn thewhole thing to the ground.
And the only survivor is Marco's nephew, a cursed seven year old giant named Leo, who isdeformed by the fire.

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That is in the alternate international cut.
Which let's be clear.
I mean, that makes so much more sense that the
Cause back then international meant the European cut that it would be even more biasedagainst Romani people.
not surprising because it is more of a European thing.
think in the States, most people don't really know what that's all about.

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Right.
There's, there's a real prejudice against Romani people in Europe.
Yes.
Apparently that this version, was created by, by, Essex productions cause they wanted moresex.
Cause the alternate cut had a couple of sex scenes with, guess, the Marco and the, and thewife.
but apparently Edwin Brown had no involvement in it and said that it was, badly edited andshot.

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would believe that also the alternate version apparently cut six minutes of nature shotsfrom the movie.
I would be for that.
So can we
Can we splice together one that has neither extra footage, but less of the nature of it?
that cut available on anything?

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is apparently on the arrow video limited edition, blue ray release, which is now out ofprint.
I was going to say, cause I have the arrow video.
got the, like on, iTunes.
I got it.
can get the arrow video.
Yeah.
But it's just the, it's just the one cut.
Yes.
apparently, you know, because this was released by new world pictures, and, the good folksover at the new world pictures podcast intend to do it.

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They have three hosts.
Apparently they're going to have all three.
Each one's going to watch a different cut.
The three cuts.
Yes.
So I will look forward to that when they, when they do it.
So now we know the backstory and NASA work now going to get to the climax of the movie,which I will admit.
has more going for it than that first hour, partially because the film was so listlessearly on.

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I was lulled into a false sense of security.
So now we get the four campers, they're frolicking in the water near the waterfall.
That happens pretty frequently.
Ranger O'Brien decides to make his way up to find the missing couple from the openingsequence.
only with a trank gun.
didn't take the 30 on because he just thinks, yeah, he doesn't think listened to LesterTile.

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Lester told him to more firepower, but he doesn't listen to that.
But then when he finds Gail and Greg's bodies, it's like, things are more serious than hethought.
you get a bunch of cuts to vultures with musical stings when he finds Gail.
So many musical stings.
Many musical stings.
there's such quick, dramatic editing.

(01:26:08):
I swear to God, young Michael Bay must have cut this scene.
I swear to God.
And it's quite shocking after all of the map and compass business that the Ranger has justsitting there for like a full minute.
with the map and looking around and then going back to the map and looking around again.
There is a period where this movie becomes about vultures for real.

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Yes.
And then the guys are going to do some mountain climbing.
The girls are going to hang out by the water, which to me honestly seems like a muchbetter idea.
I will say the footage on the mountain is fantastic.
Here it is.
Them climbing down.
You know, one of them is, you know, they're hooked into their harnesses.
One of them is rappelling down the mountain and the footage on the mountain is really,really good.

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And then one of the guys is climbing down the mountain.
The other's at the top and the killer attacks the guy at the top and basically twists hishead 180 degrees around.
like, shit, something's happening at last.
Something's happening.
And then the killer attacks the guy.
He starts messing with the guy's line.
The guy...
He can't see that his buddy's dead because that's up above.

(01:27:16):
So he's like, hey, cut it out.
And that is a guy really on a line, getting shaken around on a real cliff.
Like that is not it.
I was this was the most terrified I was the whole movie because you're watching this forreal and you go, my God, my God.
Like that must have been very tough, tough to get those shots.

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I have a real fear of falling.
I mean, that would just forget it.
Like I don't know fear of heights, but I have a fear of falling.
Like it's not quite the same thing, but like, God, no.
I like, there was one shot where even just before they go down, like you kind of look overthe side of the cliff.
I was just like, no, no, no.
Thanks for me.
Yeah, no.
But then, then the line gets cut.

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And I gotta say, there's this really effective shot where you see the rope sliding downthe mountain.
It's like, shit, that is, and then there's a scream.
The girls hear the scream as the guys going down, they get dressed.
They race to find their friend's body at the base of the cliff.
And, and now I have to point this out because, the killer makes it down the mountain withabsolute lightning speed.

(01:28:24):
I know.
This is a long way.
This is a long way.
It's a running thing in slasher movies that the killer could just be where he ever needwherever the killer needs to be.
But my goodness, this takes the cake.
Like he got down the whole mountain in like literally like.
60 seconds.
It's it is it is amazing.

(01:28:44):
Yeah.
Well, and I think isn't it around here when they find the body at the bottom of the mouth,they find the, the, girls find the body.
What one of the girls goes to the vomit and you hear just like vomit pouring like a riverand you see no vomit.
Like they had zero cause she's in the background.

(01:29:05):
I'll give it that.
It's not like you're focusing, but you're just hearing this rip like
you could have toned down the sound effect just a little bit for me.
like when George vomits in, in, in, the previous movie, like it's like, it just, feelsorganic.
you know, it's, you know, it's like here, it's just like, you were, you know, I went tothe sound closet for that vomit sound.

(01:29:25):
My goodness.
Yeah.
And it's a shame.
Cause these last like 10, 15 minutes as you've been alluding to it really picks up andthere's a lot, think the, just like the filmmaking is, is more effective.
I mean, it's still
It's still the prey, right?
It's still the movie that it is, but it's still the prey.
It's it's like the version of the movie that would have been the best version of themovie.

(01:29:46):
Right.
It's just all.
You hoping it was going to be.
Yeah.
We should start selling T-shirts that say it's still the prey.
It's still the prey.
So I don't know if it was just budgetary reasons or what, because clearly they they werecapable of making.
the movie that I wanted to see, you know, it's just, was a shame that it took so long toget there for me.

(01:30:09):
Yeah.
Yeah.
No, it's, it's, but the killer, yeah, he attacks the girls.
One of them is caught in a, in a conveniently placed trap.
mean, inconvenient for her, I suppose.
like the trap catches her by the foot, picks her up, slams her into a tree.
And then, then we finally get a good look at the killer as, as he approaches Debbie, thefinal girl.

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and he's got very thick hands.
He's kind of got like a bulbous head.
He sort of looks like a cross between an adult size version of Kid Jason from the firstFriday the 13th and Pluto from the Hills Have Eyes with just a touch of Rondo Hatton as
the creeper.
But the problem is it's undercut by what, like the makeup is just clearly not good.

(01:30:54):
Like this is not Tom Savini.
This is not even the guy you get after Tom Savini.
is off on another film, this is this feels like it's a little ways down on the list.
For sure.
You know, it's like the 80s slasher version of a 50s monster movie or something.
Yes.
Like, yes.
You know, it's it's the robot monster version of it.

(01:31:16):
But I have to say, for me, at least while you're it doesn't look real at all.
Like to me, I'm like, it's still fun to see.
You know, certainly more fun than seeing hands.
Ranger Shazam, he hits the killer with the tranquilizer dart and then attacks him andseems to knock him out.

(01:31:43):
I'm sorry.
He hits him with the trank gun and then he looks at his watch for like a minute of screentime.
does!
He waits, he knows how long the trank will take to effect and he literally times itlooking at his watch.
And we do that in real time, in real time, just like going to the porta potty and doingall these other, this movie is the bad boyfriend of 80 slashers.

(01:32:09):
like, just when I think you've learned your lesson and you're giving me what I want, yougo back to your old tricks, the prey.
on.
But as, as, as, as rager Shazam is, is, is, is coming into to see that she's okay.
We.
The killer springs up and strangles him to death.

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We get a close up of his mouth as the blood is coming out.
like, that's pretty, you know, it's, fake, but totally gnarly still for sure.
And then the strangest moment of this film, or maybe any film, the killer approachesDebbie and she's, she looks terrified, appropriately terrified.

(01:32:50):
And he puts his arms around her waist and smiles.
And then we have a hard cut to like images of winter and snow.
It's the covered in snowfall.
has passed.
Time is passing.
Then the snow starts to melt and we get the spring and we end on a shot of a cave where wehear a baby crying inside.

(01:33:17):
Rob, if you asked me when I sat down to watch the play, if you asked me how the moviewould end, I wouldn't have been able to tell you that.
with a million guesses.
Nope.
I as inappropriate as the backstory to this movie is, look, it's just number one again,this movie does not earn this at all.

(01:33:44):
two.
you know, so all of the dead bodies don't get found.
The fact that like a million people have now gone missing on this mountain does not get upthere.
The intervening time including one of the freaking Rangers who the other Rangers knew.

(01:34:04):
Yes.
Like this makes zero sense.
my God.
Like eight year old Jason popping up out of the lake at the end of Friday makes more sensethan this.
There's no question.
It's, it is, it is, it is something.
It is a
So this guy was looking for, he was killing people.
He was looking for a woman to take back to his cave and give him a shot.

(01:34:27):
Is that the it's crazy.
It's crazy.
Yes.
This movie is crazy.
It's, it's mostly, it's mostly not crazy, when it goes, it goes full cuckoo.
I don't know if, you can tell, I can't recommend the prey personally.
No, but it's yeah.
And I, it's something it's look it.

(01:34:49):
as a completist in doing this series, it was very interesting to watch because peopleoften talk about formulas as being bad.
And I get that because if you're just wrotely following things, it can be, it's notsurprising.
It can feel very lifeless and you know, just like, same thing.
I've always seen the prey though, in all seriousness, sometimes you look at the formulaand you go, well, some of those elements, if you, if you actually try and

(01:35:18):
breathe life into them and do them well, they're there for a reason.
And I think this movie showcases like you don't give the killer's backstory 50 minutes in.
Now the final terror kind of does it except it's been bread crumbing you the whole way.
So it's not coming out of nowhere later.
You get the final beat.
of the mythology later in the movie.
final piece of the puzzle, but you've been assembling that puzzle the whole movie.

(01:35:41):
As you've been going the whole way.
Right.
Whereas this movie only does it at minute 50, and by then it's just far too late.
When it's already had a campfire fake out scene with a completely pointless story thatwe've all heard before we saw this movie.
I mean, and the campfire is probably happening too late, even if it had the real story.
Right.

(01:36:01):
doesn't.
It's the pacing's off to begin with.
before you even do that.
And what I find interesting is because this movie was shot earlier than Friday, it doesn'thave the beats to copy.
Yeah.
And it's weird to say that it shows, but it does.
And it does, you know, and look, we don't want carbon copies that don't do anything new,but sometimes you just go this, this movie shot before it just doesn't, it doesn't

(01:36:31):
actually know what to do.
Yeah.
Yeah, I mean, and it's interesting because we've seen in a couple of a couple of theseseries, we've seen where you have that movie that, you know, you have a movie comes along
as a big hit and sort of there's the rush to to sort of let's find something like it.
And you have stuff that was on the studio shelf, maybe in script form here.

(01:36:53):
They had actually shot the movie, but in script form was on the studio shelf.
Well, this is close enough and we dust it off.
But it feels like it comes from an earlier era.
High Road to China.
I'm looking at you.
Yes.
You know, like it's, it has that, that vibe because they were looking for something thatwould feel like an adventure movie, but even though it sort of the elements are predated,

(01:37:14):
it's, it's a real interesting thing.
This feels like they actually, it's not just the script was written beforehand.
They actually made the movie beforehand and then, you know, the Friday the 13th and theseother movies turn out to be big hits.
It's like, well, hey, we got the prey.
Yeah.
And then they, they have someone else like insert more sex scenes or whatever, whichagain, you're like, yeah, that's gonna, that is after the trend has started and the

(01:37:35):
producers know what should go in.
But you know, you're just, and we didn't see that cut just to be clear, but the, thatyou're just hamstrung with, with what had gone before.
you know, look, you get, sometimes you got to know what your, what your, what yourassignment is.
Yeah.
Sometimes yes, man, this movie is something else.
It is.

(01:37:56):
Well, that probably brings us to the end for today.
With any luck, Justin will come back from the woods unscathed to join us next week as wecircle back to the franchise that kicked this series off.
That kick kicked kicked it off.
You did that better than I did.

(01:38:18):
That's right.
Join us next week as we take a deep dive into the third and fourth films.
in the Friday the 13th series, Friday the 13th part three and Friday the 13th, the finalchapter, which obviously did not turn out to be the final chapter, but we are gonna look
at it regardless.
This is when the series begins to reinvent itself even further.

(01:38:41):
We're gonna meet characters like Shelley and Tommy Jarvis and Jason will get his iconichockey mask.
It will also be, I wanna point out the 100th episode of Get Me Another.
So trust us, you don't want to miss this milestone.
Thank you again so much for listening.
We are your hosts, Chris Iannicone and Rob Lemorgz.

(01:39:03):
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