Friday the 13th Ep. 06 - Friday the 13th Part III / Friday the 13th: The Final Chapter - Get Me Another

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you
and welcome to Get Me Another, a podcast where we explore those movies that followed inthe wake of blockbuster hits and attempted to replicate their success.
My name is Chris Iannicone and with me are my co-hosts, Rob Lemorgious.

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Ooh, I gotcha.
I have to act out to get you to notice me, Chris.
Nobody likes me.
you don't have to.
And Justin Beam.
I'm going to break out the old computer here, Rob, and see how it all adds up.
There's no computer there.
Today is the sixth episode in our Get Me Another Friday the 13th.

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And today we'll be circling back to the franchise that started it all.
Well, Friday the 13th.
And sometimes we focus on sequels here at Get Me Another, although not always, becauseoften it's the first in a series that really sets a trend.
Halloween, Star Wars being two such examples.
But the case of Friday the 13th, so much of what

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makes that series what it is, develops over the course of several films.
And we really wanted to talk about that.
So in our first episode, we discussed the first two Friday the 13th films.
And today we'll be exploring the third and fourth installments.
And this is a big one, gentlemen, and it's perfect for the 100th episode of Get MeAnother.

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100!
very exciting.
And I couldn't think of, like, this is,
God, I just love these movies.
I've loved them like for so long.
And it's like, sometimes you watch movies for the first time.
I know when I'm doing notes, I'm like, there's a certain chance.
Like, what am I going to say about this movie that I'm encountering for the first time?
yeah.
But here it's like all these thoughts I've been having for decades about Friday the 13th.

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It's like, I got to remember to get them all in.
It is all in.
But I also wanted to say for the 100th episode, cause it's crazy that people still tune inand more people.
So I just wanted to say to all the listeners, big thank you for, you know, letting us intoyour ear holes.
So thank you to all of the States, but thank you in Canada, especially Nova Scotia.

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Thank you very, we, we, love doing the show and we love you listening and, yeah, thank youvery much.
So today it's a big show.

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We're going to get right into it.
Released in August of 1982, just one year, a little over one year from the secondinstallment in the series.
This is Friday the 13th, part three.

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Weekends are a good time to escape to the woods.
Unless the weekend begins with Friday the 13th.
Because 13 is an unlucky number.
But out here, so are one.

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Because these are Jason's woods.
And nobody leaves them alive.
Friday the 13th, Part 3 in 3D.
Jason, you can't fight him.
You can't stop him.

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And now, you can't even keep him on the screen.
Friday, the 13th, Part 3 in 3D.
Now, when it comes to killing in Jason's woods, Jason will come to you.

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Friday, the 13th, Part 3, in 3D.
A new dimension in terror.
It will scare you.
that.

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I mentioned back in the first episode, I think the Friday the 13th series is a lot likethe horror iteration of James Bond.
Rather than having that one platonic ideal film kick off the franchise, you have elementsgetting added over time.
Now Friday the 13th part two saw a lot of direct connections with the first films,including returning characters, a Northeast United States filming location, and it stuck

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fairly close to the model set by the first film.
But at the same time, it also introduced basically a new mythology around the character ofJason Voorhees that would power the series going forward.
Part three would refine the Friday the 13th formula even further.
It is, in my opinion, the gold finger of Friday the 13th movies.

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Not just because it's the third installment, but because I think it sets the template forthe series going forward.
And it's also interesting for certain things that in three get jettisoned.
Yes.
There are things that are dying in three, but the thing that is dead in three really isthe idea of summer camp is gone.

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Yeah.
It's they're fixing it up in the first one.
In the second one, it's summer camp counselor, like college or whatever.
Right.
But there's still the master's degree program.
Yeah.
And then here it's just kids partying, man.
Yeah.
You just have, you know, there's, there's, there's kids going up to, they have, there's alot of those houses.
I mean, know, Airbnb wasn't a thing yet, but clearly, you know, in the, in the 21stcentury, there'll be a lot of Airbnb's around Crystal Lake, the ever expanding Crystal

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Lake, because it gets larger and larger with every one.
As does the water.
It keeps on growing and growing and eventually ties with the ocean as we'll talk about.
So eventually we will.
And I love that eventually it goes out to the Atlantic ocean.
One of the few notable elements that is added in the third film.
is Jason's now iconic hockey mask, which he acquires midway through the movie and wouldbecome so instantly recognizable that it would dominate Friday the 13th movie posters from

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part four onwards.
very, like that becomes instant iconic look for Jason in part three.
And it's intrinsically bound to Halloween and costumes every year.
went to the Walmart the other day.
and they have in their super cheap masks that are like 99 cents.
There's a whole stack of Jason masks there.

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It just, it will always be part of the world of costuming for Halloween.
And there are very few entities that are like that.
And I think because it's so excessively inexpensive, it doesn't need to have hair and toomuch of a sculpt and all that.
It's an easy one for kids to throw on.
And it's one of the rare entities in film where you know,

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Just looking at that mask exactly what's being referenced.
film came out in August.
It was almost perfect timing.
like by that October, that Halloween season of 1982, like the filmmakers started torealize, this is really a thing.
this is like that almost instantly did that become a Halloween staple by that firstHalloween after the movie came out.

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And the look for Jason, it's not just the, you know, the potato sack.
to hockey mask look.
He no longer has his backwoods overall look for his clothing.
And he's now dressed like someone going to a social distortion concert in 92 or something.
It's just he's only missing the chain wallet is I think it.

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Like its immediate predecessor, Friday the 13th, part three was directed by Steve Miner,who remains to this day the only person to have directed more than one movie in the
series, which
I just think is super interesting that he's the only, they've never had another returningdirector.
It's so hard to believe that, but I I know it's true.
I'm not, but it's, it does feel crazy that, that no one else has.

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It's really crazy that they never had anybody else come back.
And it's one of the things that makes this series so interesting because it's constantlylike there's a stylistic change almost with every movie and like,
Honestly, even these two.
There's a very big stylistic shift between three and four, which we'll get into.

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The script was written by husband and wife team of Martin Katrosser and Carol Watson withan uncredited rewrite from Petro Popescu.
And one thing I think is really interesting is that they originally wanted to bring backAmy Steele as Ginny for part three, but things couldn't be worked out.
And from what I've read,

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The version of part three that would have involved Ginny would have had her recoveringfrom the events of part two and Jason somehow tracking her down to seek revenge.
And at least in one version, would have had Ginny in some kind of mental institutiondealing with her trauma.
And then murders start to happen.
And then there's the question of, is it Jason or is it somebody else?

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Which sounds a lot like part five, A New Beginning.
I love part five a lot.
And this, but this one here represents a real departure from it's kind of like Halloweenin some ways where there's, they're trying to move away from the family element.
the mom isn't as much of an influence in the first two.
The mom was very present even up to the end of part two.

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She was crucial to that climactic sequence there.
And in this one, they're trying to push sort of the canoe out into the general waters andlet Jason just prey on whoever.
and they do it with some flair here.
absolutely, absolutely.
Now, while I'm sorry we didn't see more of Amy Steele because she's great, in the longrun, I actually think it's fortunate she didn't come back for the series, so they didn't

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get locked into that paradigm of Ginny versus Jason.
Instead, we get an entirely new cast for part three, including Dana Kimmel, Paul Kratka,Tracy Savage, Jeffrey Rogers, Catherine Parks.
Larry Zerner as Shelley and Richard Brooker taking over the role of Jason.
And one of the first differences, like one of the first notable differences from this,from the previous film, you could just see when you get that Paramount logo and that is

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the aspect ratio.
The first two films were in 185.
This film has a two, three, five scope aspect ratio.
And this change must've been facilitated by the film's use of 3D because it's the lasttime the series would utilize this until Freddie versus Jason where
but all the other ones are one eight five.
And man, the 3D, is, we are going to get into it, but God, I love the 3D in this movie.

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I've had the pleasure of seeing it in a theater projected in 3D and it's wonderful.
Like it's classic.
This is not James Cameron.
We're just giving a little bit of like background depth.
This is stuff popping out at the camera.
Though I will say because, and I have just the Anaglyph 3D desk.
So, you know, it's limited at home, but I did,

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I did watch it in advance of this.
As we go through some of these scenes, it's while I do love and enjoy the, you know,knitting needles coming at the camera and all of the, all of the stuff.
And particularly my number one is the joint passing straight to the camera, which alwayskills in a theater.
Every time I see it, sure.
But you know, there are things in here where there is really great depth.

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the laundry.
you know, hanging in the backyard would be one.
laundry hanging sequence.
Anyway, there's a lot of stuff that I think is actually really nice, more layered use of3D that's not just the popping out at you, although it's got great popping out at you.
It's got great popping out you.
The movie takes a page, and in fact, one of my favorite pages from the Rocky playbook, andit opens with the climax of the previous film.

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So we get this replay of Ginny and Jason
in Jason's shack.
And one thing that occurred to me that I didn't even think of when we were watching parttwo a few weeks ago, but Jini picks up the machete off of like the altar where the head
is.
And it occurred to me for the first time, that's the machete that took off Mrs.
Voree's head.
Like, I don't know why I didn't even made that connection before.

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I'm like, that's the machete that Alice used to cut her head off.
And he's kept it.
And it's there.
got to remember mom somehow.
It's those it's the little things that that, you know.
That help you remember.
You hold them close.
We skip the scene where Jason crashes through the window.
Instead, we see an injured Jason crawling away, taking the machete with him.

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And then we get two of the most distinctive elements in this movie, the 3D aforementionedand disco Manfredini.
yes.

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The disco version of the Friday the 13th theme is amazing.
may, I may like it better than the, than the real version, frankly.
yeah.
And I know this was kind of a collab, but cause I've been at too many events where the DJthrew this on as kind of like a fun dance number to have.
believe it.
It's, my.
Well, it was actually a hit.
was a hit overseas in clubs and things like that.

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And even on the radio.
So this really had a lot of traction.
outside of just the Friday the 13th world.
And it remains, it's just so fun.
The entire opening credit sequence plays right into your comment earlier, Chris, about theconnection with James Bond.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Like it's just that the tone is, it's so fun.
And that connection becomes explicit.

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it, it's, it's six Jason, right?
Where they literally do the James Bond walking in front of camera.
It's the tone is so different right from the off.
with this version, the disco version of the Friday the 13th co-written by Manfredini andMichael Zager.
Also, then we have the 3D, because this came out at the peak of the early 80s 3D revival,which had been kicked off by the success of a film called Coming At Ya, starring one of

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our favorite actors, Italian-American actor, writer, producer, and fashion icon.
Tony Anthony, and we talked extensively about Anthony's second 3D film, Treasure of theFour Crowns in episode two of our Indiana Jones series and how big of a fan we were of
that.
So after we, the credits, we meet local Crystal Lake store owners, Harold and Edna.

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And this is when we get the great 3D laundry hanging sequence.
It's so good.
I say that and I'm joking, but I'm like, it's not, it's really, really good.
And they're grocers, right?
I believe because Harold
He's a little henpecked, is he not?
He's a little henpecked and, know, but also he eats his own food and puts it back, like heopens up the can of peanuts and puts it back on the There's no sealed for freshness at

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Harold and Edna's.
No, he's also quite possibly an alcoholic given where he's squirreling away his liquor tohave.
Yeah, it's interesting because like these characters are kind of what I would describe asthe obnoxious machete fodder.
They're not.
They're not bad people that you want to see Jason kill, but like Jason's got to killsomeone and these people are kind of annoying and loud and you're not really shedding a

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tear for them.
You're not really, you know, it's early in the film and we just, we need a couple ofpeople to Jason to kill at the outset.
Yeah, this also, this makes sense too because anyone who's been to any kind ofcampgrounds, there's always the little shop near the campground that has just a really

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random assortment of stuff and no sense usually to the shelving or what's next to what.
And they're always run by someone that you just think, man, this is their life coming inhere, selling bobbers and like toys from 20 years ago that they bought at clearance at
Walmart or something at some time.
And so it's very true to the experience of going to any lake, any kind of campground oranything like that.

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There's going to be a shop like this.
And I like that we get a little peek into that.
It's I like the interplay between these two.
How I do too.
She's ragging on him and he's just kind of this, whatever, you he's learned to slough itoff.
It's not combative.
No, it's more like he's just this kind of guy who's succumbed to her overwhelmingpresence.

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over time and now they have this little shop together.
I think it's a great way to start the film.
I do too.
I do too.
We also get Edna watching a TV news report about the murders at the counselor, the campcounselor training center from part two.
they report eight bodies being found and one survivor.
That's Ginny.
There's no mention of Paul.

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And it's said that the scene, like the scene of the murders was found in the early morninghours and it's now early evening.
So we're not quite a day.
past the events of the second film.
I won't lie to you guys, I'm kind of obsessed with Friday the 13th chronology and I willbe going through it as we go.
I'll be marking the time to see in what kind of span of time these movies actually takeplace.

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Because I don't know why, but I've always been fascinated by that.
I love that.
I think that the ending of this one and the beginning actually of part four.
The beginning of part four is one of my favorite openings in the entire franchise, if notin horror, because it's so rare that we're picking up immediately after the events of the
film that came before and actually seeing some aftermath.

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Like with Halloween two, the mythology is starting to grow and everything about Michaeland his presence in Haddonfield and they're talking about it.
And of course, Laurie is being shuttled off to the hospital and whatnot.
But in this one you're seeing, I mean, these,
Parts two and three run right into each other, parts three and four run right into eachother.
And I can't wait to hear you break this down, Chris, because it's just so cool to me thatthey would have had the presence of mind to try to find some continuity to do that,

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because that's an effort that didn't really need to be made.
Right, right.
But it's there.
And I love that it's there.
The other thing I want to mention for this early opening bit is that Jason's look haschanged since the last film.
Like he...
You know, as Rob mentioned, gone are the overalls and replaced with the dark shirt andpants.
Also gone is the long hair that we saw when he crashed through the window.

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He's now got that the bald Jason look and and he's physically bigger.
Like he's just a bigger guy.
And it's not like I don't think it was like he found a place to stop and shave his head.
I think it's just the kind of re-imagine Jason between the second and third films.
Yeah.
And, I'm a big fan of Richard Brooks, as long as we're talking about the change to Jasonand he, he was a, he was a veteran stunt man.

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Yes.
Or is that, yeah.
And it, you can tell it's a completely different physicality.
it is a lot more controlled, than in the second film, which is great, you know, and it'sjust the context is different or whatever.
They're both good.
I don't, I really don't dislike any of the Jason's, but I think, Richard,

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in his movements hold a special place in my heart for whatever reason.
I agree.
I feel like this is really the defining early era Jason.
know, obviously there would be undead Jason later in the series.
And Kane's his own thing.
Like Kane is exactly you're just into a different era then as well.
But these two like Richard Brooks and Ted White, I think both kind of they're very similarto me.

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You know, not exactly the same, but very similar.
And that's.
To me, that's the classic Jason.
also the clumsiness that came with the second one.
There's still a little bit of that present here, but there's more of an anger and sort ofa fury to the portrayal of him in this film.
Yes.
For the second one, he's just, he's so fallible.
He's falling over and getting pushed down and tripping and running into stuff.

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There's a lot of that in part two, which I think helped build the fear around thatcharacter because it wasn't some supernatural thing.
It's like, okay, this is a guy.
Yeah.
It wasn't pretending to be anything supernatural or anything like that.
But this is the first one where you start to get little hints of Jason maybe beingsomething more than just a man, which is something that the franchise flirts with

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sometimes more blatantly than others as it runs its course.
But this is really the first sprinkling of that.
I think there's a case to be made that if you look at what else is happening with actionmovies in the eighties, that everyone's getting more.
kind of super powered, if you will.
Like, know.
The the wrestle of fine of, of, of action entertainment where wrestlers started.

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is when the steroid thing was just exploding and wrestling.
They're all super human looking.
And that kind of peaked eventually with Kane Hodder as Jason, but yeah, you're exactlyright, Robert.
Everything was changing.
It needed to be someone who looked like Stallone or Schwarzenegger at this point.
We wouldn't accept action heroes that look like.
I don't know any of the classic, you know, icons from the past that was kind of passeabout this.

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Yeah.
It wasn't Steve McQueen, know, who was built like a guy, you know, he's built like a guyin good shape, but not like these.
And it's funny because by the end of the decade, it would start to change with BruceWillis and diehard.
Yes.
When you go back to the more sort of, you know, believable person rather than, you know,this sort of the, the, bulked up, you know, Stallone Schwarzenegger archetype.

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Yeah, and then we cut to, so we have our little interlude with Edna and Harold, and theydon't make it out of that interlude, you know.
We cut to our main group, who is Chris Higgins taking some of her friends up to the familyhouse called Higgins Haven, which is of course located at Crystal Lake.

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And here guys, we see another change, and that is the production on the series movingfrom.
the Northeast United States of New Jersey and Connecticut where the first two were shot toCalifornia.
And you have palm trees on the suburban street where like they're leaving and there's palmtrees around.
And I think that's another thing that contributes to the changing vibe.

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Like those first two films are so genuinely Northeastern and this film just feelsdifferent.
Yeah.
But it's funny as you see that they're feeling their way.
So you open with a kid, you know, with like your kill sequence, except it's not teenagers.
It's,
You know, adult people, they quickly switch back to the kids and the, know, going out forthe weekend and they've killed crazy Ralph in part two.

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have a substitute crazy Ralph.
So in three, they have a substitute crazy Ralph who's like in the road.
And yeah, I mean, you'll, talk about it when we get there, but it's funny where you see,and then, you know, you, what start do they think that they're trying to do a different
version of, and that may fall away in four.
Anyway, it's interesting as you're seeing the formula change in those aspects.

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I mean, pretty much is the entire time through this thing.
Absolutely.
I do appreciate though, that even though the production moved to California, they at leastattempt to maintain the appearance of a New Jersey location.
They're the yellow New Jersey plates on the cars, which was that was the color of NewJersey license plates in the early eighties.

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There is the van that they're driving up there has a Bruce Springsteen bumper sticker.
And later when they're at the convenience stores, there are signs for Pickett, which wasthe New Jersey Lotto game of that era with the authentic 80s logo.
I'm here to bring the New Jersey facts to you guys as as someone I was there at the time.
So Chris was is the biker gang more New Jersey or is it is it a California slip up?

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It is a California slip up.
It's not that many biker cab.
You never know.
There's always, there's bikers everywhere.
So this group that's going up there consists of, of Chris, there's, there's hot couple,Debbie and Andy, there's marijuana enthusiast couple, Chuck and chili, well as Chris's

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friend Vera and her blind date, Shelly.
Chuck, by the way, I cannot unsee him as Mark Maron anymore.
It's just, it's, it's exactly Mark Maron.
I think if you ever remade this, shot for shot remake of Friday the 13th or charm.
He's, he's, yeah.

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You reminded me of Tommy chomp.
Sure.
Yeah.
Yup.
Like this, this is such a strange group of people to be hanging out.
Like Chris, Debbie and Andy, that kind of makes sense.
But Chuck and chili seem like they're, they're from another generation.
I'm like, how are they friends with these people?
They're all going, going up the lake together.
And this is another change.
when you look at the teens or the early twenties, whatever the kids in Friday one and evenin two, they're not so delineated by their stereotype, right?

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Whereas now, and they've increased the numbers of people that are going to be dying inthese movies.
So they want to give you a quicker handle.
So it's like stoner couple, know, hot and heavy couple that they're, giving them eachtheir little signifier, which they didn't really do.
in the first one at all, because you were just kind of, it was a general hangout.
I want to also point out about Debbie.

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Like it's mentioned in the van scene that she's pregnant and it's, I don't feel like it'snever mentioned afterwards.
I'm pretty sure we see her drinking later or at least she, asks for a beer in the showerand, and, and it's like, it's, it's odd little detail that I feel like, like was in maybe
that early version of the script and got left in at the beginning, but then never getsreferred to again.

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It's so strange.
Yeah.
I mean, I,
I kind of took it as was, it almost a joke?
then I wasn't sure.
I'm not sure either.
We may have to go to the novelization on this one.
yeah.
As we've learned the novelization has it all.
It does.
The other character we need to talk about is Shelley played by Larry Zerner.

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Cause he is one of the iconic characters of this series.
Shelley come on out and meet your date.
Bring her to me.
Maybe this wasn't such a good idea.
You guys are getting boring, you know that?
What would a weekend in the country be without sex?
Cool it, Andy.

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Didn't mean it that way.
Look, you guys, I want you to have a good time this weekend.
What happened to me at the lake happened a long time ago.
I'm fine, really, okay?
Just forget about me.
I'm supposed to forget that we've been friends for...
God damn it, Shirley.
Why do you always have to be such an asshole?
I beg your pardon.
I'm not an asshole.
I'm an actor.

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Same thing.
He's, he's the practical joker, the ultimate expression of the practical joker character.
He's the number one non Jason character from this, from part three, think.
there's no question.
It's not even close.
yeah.
Yeah.
It's, it's, he's the one people remember Larry's earners.
yeah.
I think I've seen him interviewed.
think he was, when we, when we saw a years ago, we saw Friday the 13th, part three, youknow, in 3d and I want to say it was at the Egyptian and he was there or maybe it was

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always be there.
He's great.
He's great.
He's a great ambassador for this the series.
He is.
He's awesome.
And he's he's fun in this.
He's a bit of a it's another stereotype character.
Here's the goofy nerd who can't get laid.
Right.
But there's something about the way he presents this character that is it's charming.

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Yeah, it is.
It is genuinely funny.
You feel bad for him, too.
And so he's a welcome presence because there isn't a lot of likeability about anyone elsenecessarily.
He's kind of the one that you're pulling for, for things to have something happen to him.
And I think I mentioned it before, I'll just mention it just one time.
He's also my entertainment lawyer.

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Yes.
Yes.
I knew he was an entertainment lawyer and that's fantastic.
And he's an interesting character because he does have a multifaceted aspect.
Because there's times when you really sympathize for him.
And then there's times when you're aggravated as hell by him.
And it's like, it's never just one thing.

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It's like he has got a lot of different sides.
That character has a lot of different sides to him.
More so than anybody else in the movie, I think.
More so than say the stoner couple or even Chris.
Well, and even with the backstory they try to give the lead, I think it just, no fault ofthe actors, but it's just the part.

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And Shelley, just to harp on this for a little bit longer, even his kind of jerkypractical jokes, when you're looking at it in the bell curve of early eighties slasher
movie practical jokes, he's not putting anyone in with a dead body.
He's not actually going nearly as far.

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It's still not great stuff.
but like, it's like, he's got, he's got a,
like a hatchet that goes in his head, like a fake hatchet that goes in his head andthere's like a little blood dripping down.
So it's always he dead.
Like it's, it's clever stuff.
Like I like this guy, even though I think in real life I'd be sometimes irritated by.
Yeah.
Yeah.
He's not cruel with any of this.
It really comes off as genuine in the, I'm trying to make friends in the awkward way.

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I know how sense.
Right.
And his relationship with Vera is a real interesting one.
And you know, obviously the, the, you know,
This is a movie that where people are going to get killed.
So they don't get to see sort of what the end result of that was going to be.
What what what kind of friendship would have blossomed?
But like I really like that.
They're the most interesting characters.

(31:21):
It's it's it's Shelley and Vera who are kind of paired off for a good time.
And I like both of them a lot.
Yeah.
So they're driving up to the lake in this van.
It's another great early 80s van.
I love it.
It's I just I love if you're going to have a van.
that late 70s, early 80s style.
Just it's I love it.
Do it right.
You got to do it right.
But like they're driving up there.

(31:41):
They think the cops are like you hear cop car behind me, a siren behind them.
They think the cops are pulling them over and they start to all eat the pot that they havein the van.
And it was it was then that it was the first time in the series that I genuinely thought,these people are kind of dumb.
And I mentioned the cop cars.

(32:02):
yeah.
no, I think you're going exactly there anyway, because I, I love that it, plays like it'sjust a dumb thing to get them to eat pot.
However, I'm sure you were about to say that it's not just that.
Right.
Cause the cop cars are not interested in pulling over the van.
They're head to the store where the bodies of Harold and Edna have been discovered.

(32:22):
So as putting together the timeline, Harold and Edna were killed the evening after thekillings of part two.
This is probably the next day.
maybe a day or two at most, depending on how long it took the bodies to be discovered.
There could have been a time jump between Harold and Edna's deaths and the kids driving upif not for this scene.

(32:43):
This scene establishes that it's fairly soon, again, at most, I think a day or two,depending on how soon the bodies were found.
And it's a nice way to solidify the geography too, because now we know sort of that theyare relatively near, they're close enough that those would have been the cops that were
heading there.
And so it's not.
necessarily coming from the heart of Los Angeles to the wilds of whatever.

(33:06):
These are people who aren't completely unfamiliar with some kind of rural interaction.
Yeah.
My, my, in my head can is that, that Chris's house where they're, they're at thebeginning, it's somewhere like on the, in South Jersey down the shore, as we would say.
So that's why you have like the Palm trees and that kind thing.
Cause you get a little bit more.

(33:28):
You know, there's a lot of palm trees down the shore.
Not really, but you know, more so than, you know, up in the mountains or anything likethat.
Or I forgot to forgot to just want to go back for one second just to note Harold got it ina makeshift bathroom.
So can every movie so far has had to have some kind of bathroom kill.

(33:50):
yeah.
There are two, there are two poop kills.
Yes.
In this film alone.
Yes, in this film alone.
Harold is the first.
It's the Jason Blumkin.
This franchise is very interested in getting people in the bathroom.
Well, it's when people are their most vulnerable.
Like you're vulnerable.
Especially if something's dark outside, there's something you don't expect, the bathroom'sa vulnerable place.

(34:15):
No, and so few movies take time to have people take a dump or whatever.
But it makes sense in these because oftentimes what we're being presented with are peoplewho are partying, people who are active and out and about doing stuff at their training
camp or whatever it might be.
And so when are they stationary?
Well, when they're asleep, when they're in the shower, which also is frequently happeningin these films.

(34:38):
And also when you're taking a dump and they didn't have phones at the time.
So they're often reading Fangoria magazines or something throughout the franchise.
And that's when Jason knows.
And you know what I think Jason?
He had that toilet in his little hut.
In the, in the part two, in part two, my, in, in, I'm thinking that maybe he wasdeveloping some sort of scent, like he's a bloodhound for dung.

(35:02):
And so maybe Jason's wandering in the woods, just sniffing it out and hoping that it mightjust be some hapless hippie looking to get away from his wife and eat some peanuts for a
couple of minutes while he slides one out.
That's peanuts and half a donut.
That's an amazing bit of headcanon.
I love it.
I love it so much.
It's just fantastic.
And a note for, for horror filmmakers, you can have a character take a dump if you arekilling them while they are taking the dump.

(35:27):
Don't have them go to the porta potty.
And that's the only thing that happens.
I'm looking at you, the prayer.
There was the pray, right?
my gosh.
And in, in, what was it?
Dead snow when he goes out there.
That is.
That is the Blumpkin in horror when that's happening.
And they say it, that it's good that that's exactly what it's going to be.

(35:48):
And then he dies in there.
That's a really fun movie.
I love that one.
The group nearly runs over a guy laying in the road who is our are not crazy Ralph becausecrazy Ralph died in the second movie, but he's he's he's crazy Ralph's buddy who is also a
harbinger type of character warning them to turn back.
And this one carries an eye that he found 3D dangling right in the front of camera.

(36:15):
I love the 3D.
It's great.
Yeah.
And how is this guy not played by Buck Flower?
This should have been Buck Flower.
Totally.
my God.
So they reach Higgins Haven, which you have to drive over this rickety little bridge toget to.
Chekhov's rickety bridge.
Absolutely.
Crystal Lake gets bigger every movie.

(36:37):
Like in the first two movies, they have a very similar look and feel.
Again, this is quite different.
In my head, Higgins Haven is off some little inlet adjacent to the main part of the lakebecause it seems like it's shallower and frankly dirtier than the Crystal Lake we saw in
the first two.
It is not crystal, let's put it that way.
Well, I talked last a couple of episodes ago about the Camp Wapsi that I used to go towhen I was a kid that Rob knows too.

(37:03):
And that is not on an active river.
It's like more stagnant backwaters, backfill waters.
And so this very well may be that.
But this is the first time that we're moving away from the customary docks and lakesidesof proper Camp Crystal Lake.
Right, absolutely.
Again, as someone who is a big fan of maps, sometime in my life, I want to either find orcreate a comprehensive canonical map of the Crystal Lake area.

(37:36):
Like, here's Higgins Haven.
here's the channel that goes out to the to the river and the Atlantic Ocean.
You know, just full on every bit of canon that you can you can pack into it.
How would this work?
I think your real estate listings will nothing will ever be listed as Higgins Hill.
It'll just say Crystal Lake adjacent.
And that's where you're that's where you're purchasing your condo.

(37:59):
Yes.
Your murder condo.
Yeah.
So while the first film reserved sort of the
the classic Friday the 13th music for when the killer was present.
By this film, by this point, the filmmakers are actively messing with you as Chris issurprised by her quasi boyfriend Rick, who is in the house already and you get some of

(38:20):
that music.
He hasn't seen a lot of Chris since the incident that happened at the lake two yearsearlier, which we'll talk about in a little bit.
But I have to mention that Rick is so dull that he makes
Paul from part two seem actively engaging.
Like he is just, like his one personality trait is pressuring Chris for sex.

(38:42):
Not like one of the guys from The Burning, but just like comments about cold showers.
Hello, Rick.
How are you?
Well, that's a start.
Could you just slow down, please?
There's a whole weekend ahead of us.
Let me get to know you again.
Let me get to know this place again.
Okay.
There's only so many cold showers I can take.

(39:02):
Come outside and help me with the bags.
yeah, Chris.
I think you've gained some weight since last summer.
I have not.
You get the ones inside.
I'll get the ones off the top.
Rick definitely feels like the guy who works at your office and then the feds raid you andyou realize he's been embezzling for the past 10 years and you're like, I had no idea, but

(39:32):
we all kind of knew that's Rick.
Yeah, yes, yeah, 100%.
I do want to take a moment to talk about the house, Higgins Haven, because guys, it'sinsane.
Like, the thing is, this house is decorated in a style that I can only describe asfarmhouse TGI Fridays.

(39:57):
I did expect there to be a crocodile with sunglasses on the wall, Yeah, there's there's somany knickknacks.
tchotchkes and bric-a-brac.
It's like this house is exhausting to look at.
There's nothing about this house that is relaxing.
Like you would go home, you'd look at the walls and be like, I need to take a nap becauseI'm exhausted by my own home.

(40:18):
Like, know, Chris makes a joke out of the pictures aren't even straight.
And it's just like, there's so much stuff in this house.
It's a production designer gone mad.
Yeah.
But as you know, it's not, this property isn't so much about the house that you live in.
It's about the barn.
is about the barn.
The barn will be spending a lot of time in this barn.

(40:40):
my goodness.
If Jason takes Manhattan is Jason on a boat.
3d is Jason in a barn.
Let's just cut to the chase.
They actually go out of their way to explain that Chris's father keeps bales of hay in thebarn, but no horses.
And then he talks about getting a horse every once in a while, but he never does.

(41:00):
Yeah.
It's just,
Like and the barn too is full of stuff, but there's still so much hay.
There's so much hay and stuff that you have to actually work the barn as if there arehorses, even though there are not.
Which is the police system that takes stuff up to the second floor, which will come intoplay later.
It's a great locale.
You know, it's it's fantastic.

(41:21):
Well, there's also all kinds of like livery supplies and horse stuff in the barn.
So this guy was ready for his hobby, but he just couldn't commit.
So that makes me think he was probably single because every relationship he ever hadprobably fell apart.
was tirelessly dedicated to expanding his cabin and it's related outhouse and things likethat.
He just kept building on the area, unable to hold a relationship together.

(41:46):
And then the ultimate sad thing was that he, this guy probably died before he could getthat horse.
Yeah.
mean, can't be married to no woman when you're married to that barn.
That's right.
Like true.
It's like Kirk married to the Enterprise.
know, he's married.
Chris's dad was clearly married to that barn.
There's no question.
So we have a sequence where Shelley and Vera, again, they're ostensibly, you know, he'sbeen brought in as her blind date.

(42:13):
And they go down to the local convenience store to buy stuff where we meet another groupof characters, the bikers.
I love the bikers.
They are fantastic.
There's three of them.
There's two guys, Allie and Loco, and a woman named Fox.
And what a great addition to this whole thing.

(42:36):
I love it.
They're not your traditional bikers, necessarily, like movie bikers that have big longbeards and whatever, or constantly chugging beer.
This is almost like one of them's a stoner greaser kind of guy that barks.
Yep, that's Loco.
There's just three of them.
So it's almost like it's a startup gang.

(42:58):
Like this is the beginning of our camp or like our lake gang.
What are they going to do?
Run rough shot over the campers in the area or something like that.
But they are so anxious for confrontation.
yeah.
They make, they, they mine a confrontation out of a situation with a wallet.
Excuse me, but I believe that's my wallet.

(43:22):
Make a wish.
Can I buy you two guys a beer or something?
I'll take that now.
Is this your rubber?
Didn't your mama teach you manners?
If you want something, you ask.
Nice.
Please be cool.

(43:46):
May I please have the wallet?
You mean, may I please have the wallet?
Ma'am.
May I please have the wallet, ma'am?
That's good.
That's real nice.
Even before the bikers appear, there's this sort of there's an interesting dynamic betweenShelley and Vera.

(44:11):
Like, he's obviously into her and she's not into him.
But she's not mean about it.
It's just that she's not attracted to this guy.
This guy who is browsing porno out in the open at the convenience store.
it's just.
had right to it.
He goes right to it.
Yeah.
Yeah.
He's it's like, dude, play it a little cooler.

(44:33):
Like, you know, not the first time today that or not the last time in these movies todaythat something like that will happen.
No.
There's also this this weird undercurrent of racism from the store clerk because Vera isHispanic and the clerk actually goes so far as to say, we don't accept no food stamps.
Yeah.

(44:53):
Which is when then that's when Shelley tosses her the wallet.
The wallet, of course, coming right at the camera.
And apparently this this movie, this was one of the most difficult Friday the 13th moviesto make because of the 3D stuff and everything that went into it.
I saw an interview with Larry Zerner's like I had to throw that wallet at the camera somany times.

(45:15):
And I should also mention that the disco Friday theme is playing diegetically in thestore.
Yes.
Perfect.
Which I love.
I just love a song so nice they played it twice.
So, have the bikers come in, again, the female biker Fox picks up the wallet and there'sthis moment, the tension between her and Vera, like, you know, asked me nicely for it back

(45:39):
and they are just, yeah, as you point out, they're just spoiling for a confrontation.
Yeah, they want it.
And they serve kind of two functions here.
Like one is they serve to unite Shelley and Vera.
Like they haven't, you know, but like there's this moment where Shelly knocks accidentallyknocks over one of the bikes with his car and then things start to escalate.

(46:03):
And he's got that remark was like, they've gone too far.
And Vera actually in those moments, they like they seems impressed with him.
And it's like, they're starting to come together as a team, you know, Shelly and Vera.
But the second function is also will come later when the bikers follow them back toHiggins Haven to get even.
there's a third function as well, just to jump the gun, but, cause they also, well, Imean, they, they become bodies when they come, you know, to get hacked up and when they

(46:33):
come after them in Higgins, but also, just to jump it, even though I'm sure you wouldmention it, but they do siphon gas, which comes in to play in the final act.
it's the reason I just,
blurtin' it all out now is because it is interesting, these again are characters thatwould never have been in the first or second Friday the 13th, right?
These are kind of movie stereotypes of bikers, right?

(46:56):
And the characterization is commensurate with that, right?
They're serving their function.
What's interesting is that this is also like, just from a functional beat standpoint,these characters, they...
play very efficiently with all of the different things that they do.

(47:17):
They're getting a lot out of these characters.
Yeah.
And you know, just from a screenplay standpoint, it's actually pretty impressive.
Now, obviously there are people when you're watching this again, it's a Friday the 13thmovie and it is what it is, but like it's actually the layering and of, you know, in the
setup and the payoff and the foreshadowing, all of it that you get around, you know, paperthin biker.

(47:41):
gang characters.
Right.
It's both high and low brow at the same time as far as the story functions of it all.
And I think these movies don't often get that kind of credit when you watch them.
And with a lot of the other movies that followed in their wake, I think it's you wouldhave to actively be trying to not see in or, you know, by comparison, like these movies

(48:03):
are really well made.
They are really well made.
Yes.
And they, and they allow the audience time with these
I guess you'd think of as like side characters.
They aren't just relegated to one scene, although that does happen sometimes in them.
I think the Friday gets a bad rub, Rob, to your point.
I really do.
I think that over time it became the Marilyn Manson of its time.

(48:25):
It was the scapegoat for all the wrongs in violence and entertainment.
And if you were to ask someone to summarize the Friday the 13th films, it's a guy in ahockey mask hacking up a bunch of kids at camp.
And anyone who's watched them, as you said earlier, Chris, knows that that kind of endedafter the second one.
There is a return and Jason lives to a camp type setting.

(48:48):
Camp the lake is always kind of relevant in some way, but that's really not it.
And then for it to be dismissed by critics like of course, Roger and Ebert famously.
Hated these movies.
went out and campaigned against Mrs.
Voorhees and everything else, giving personal phone numbers and stuff on the air.
was nuts.
But for all of that vitriol toward these films as just mindless hack and slash, theyreally weren't.

(49:13):
And that's why we love so many of these characters.
And in each film, any of us who have watched them any number of times, we can point tofavorite characters in every one of these movies.
Absolutely.
Yeah.
They got no critical respect at the time.
It's not like today where horror films have, you know, it's just a different environment.
They got no critical respect at the time, but they are not, as you say.

(49:37):
They are not what people always purported them to be.
now, again, time has been kinder and they're acknowledged to be classics of this genre,this sub-genre.
They're still dismissed though.
I think by and large they're still dismissed.
I think that the cultural impact they had is acknowledged.
I think that's unavoidable for anyone who's paying attention to pop culture, at least inour country.

(50:02):
This is huge.
probably the most notable franchise out of them all in terms of just general impact onculture.
But I just still think that they're still kind of dismissed outside of the real hardcorehorror circles.
Like Rodney Dangerfield.
Yeah.
They get no respect.
Yeah.

(50:22):
And I don't think anyone would argue that, you know, the Friday films should have beenwinning, you know, best picture or whatever.
No, no, These, the technical craftsmanship is
way higher, I think than any, than they are ever given credit for.
It's not, you know, they're, not just fan favorites.
They're there's a reason, but yeah.
I think that'll, we'll see that even more so with the next one.

(50:44):
Absolutely.
Absolutely.
So the bikers, they, they, they follow them back to having Higgins Haven.
So the bikers, they follow them back to having Higgins Haven.
It's gonna make me crazy.
They're really assholes for naming it Higgins Haven.
Honestly, people who name houses, I'm always a little suspicious of.

(51:05):
it's just a house.
I don't know.
No, that's really a thing in mountains and stuff though.
Yeah, I guess.
Resort type areas, that's absolutely a thing.
Okay.
So the bikers follow them back to Higgins Haven.
And what I didn't realize, I just, I don't know if I ever picked up on this until thistime.
Like they're siphoning off the gas from this van.

(51:28):
And
They are actually planning to burn the barn.
It wasn't just stealing the gas.
The one guy says, take this into the barn and start pouring.
And this is an opportunity for Jason to rack up some more kills before the main group areaware that they're in a slasher movie.
Like Fox goes into the barn and she is just fascinated by everything she sees.

(51:52):
Like every bit in the barn.
She is just utterly, utterly fascinated by this barn.
until Jason appears and things go very badly for these bikers.
She is picking up things hung over wooden fences like she's in an alien movie on anotherplanet.
It is intense.
is.

(52:12):
it's so we don't actually see Fox die.
She's pinned to the beam by a pitchfork, which of course the handle is coming at theaudience.
3D.
Loco takes another pitchfork to the gut.
Again, there's a lot of pitchforks hanging around this barn, you know, cause he's got a,you know, hey, you know, that for his non-existent horses.

(52:33):
That's right.
And Ollie finds the bodies that he goes toe to toe with Jason.
Ollie's actually got the machete in this case, but Jason wins that fight and hits thedowned Ollie three times with a head or the hammer.
And,
I want to mention that because that's important later.
Also, I want to mention they do a really good job of keeping Jason's face hidden.

(52:56):
Like, it'll be like a beam in front of the face or, you know, like a wheelbarrow or that'supright or something.
So you don't see his face during all this stuff, but, you know, he hasn't quite gotten thenew mask yet, which we'll get to in a few.
Meanwhile, the kids are hanging out at the house.
They're doing some 3D juggling.
I love the 3D juggling scene.
Shelly makes a pass at Vera and she lets him down.

(53:20):
pretty reasonably.
Again, this is one of those things where it's like Shelley is such an interestingcharacter because at times you really feel for him.
At times you're like, man, don't be that guy.
Calling Vera a bitch after she rebuffs his advances.
The thing about Shelley is he's a guy who's not comfortable with himself, which is why heacts the way he does.

(53:43):
For example, hiding under the water and jumping up in a wetsuit and a hockey mask to scareVera.
First off, the combination of the wetsuit and hockey mask is downright bizarre.
It's not like it's a wetsuit and a scuba mask.
It's like a wetsuit and a hockey mask.
I'm like, those are the things you brought.

(54:05):
The wetsuit is black with these kind blue-green shoulders.
So honestly, it looks a little bit like a uniform from Star Trek.
It's got that aesthetic.
Like a Deep Space Nine era.
Yeah, like a Deep Space Nine uniform.
And he scares Vera, jumps out of way, and there's this really great exchange between thetwo.

(54:29):
That'll teach you a valuable lesson.
beautiful girl like you should never go out in the dark alone.
Why do you do these stupid things?
I have to.
No, you don't have to.
I just want you to like me.
I do like you.

(54:50):
But not when you act like a jerk.
Being a jerk is better than being a nothing.
I never said you were nothing.
You don't have to say it.
I could tell.
You're wrong.
Shelly.
being a jerk, it's better than being nothing, which is such a great and telling line fromShelley.

(55:16):
And the thing that makes me a little sad about Shelley is I honestly think that if he hadhad a chance to grow up a little bit more, he might've turned out okay.
Like he was not a bad dude, like at his core.
was just, you know, he was having a hard time growing up.
Growing up is not easy.
You know, it's a-

(55:36):
That's, that's just, yeah, it's just the way it is.
But instead he goes off to the barn and the guys, got to stop people from going in thatbarn.
Like, you know, people keep going to that barn and, it ain't good.
It's like the ocean in jaws.
Just don't.
Yeah, this is the, we are now officially once the bikers get it, we are now in the likehalf hour or so of this film.

(55:58):
That is just the murder car wash barn where people.
keep entering and not coming out over and over again.
does sound repetitive and in some ways it is, but I don't know why it somehow it neverreally gets boring to me.
I can't tell you why.

(56:18):
Well, you keep cutting back to these other characters that you're spending time with.
So you're not, it's not just one in one out, one in one out.
You're the, the movie has a good pace to it.
Yeah.
And you spend a lot of time in diverse settings and things and the characters are allcolorful enough that it doesn't feel repetitive, even though, like you say, it's the same

(56:39):
thing happening.
It is not like, don't go in the woods.
Even though you're having a steady stream, doesn't feel like, it's just a more, you know,it's just a more well-crafted film in that regard, even though it's doing some similar
things.
And meanwhile,
Chris is off with Rick and she's gonna reveal what happened at the lake two years earlier.

(57:01):
It had been raining and the woods were cold and wet, I found a dry spot under an old oak
I I fell asleep.
All I can remember next.
Being startled out of sleep by the sound of footsteps.

(57:25):
I was sure it was Dad, so I just sat up and I listened for him.
But the footsteps stopped.
Then there was this cracking noise behind me.
turned around and standing there was this hideous man so grotesque he's almost inhuman

(58:02):
was so hysterical, I don't know how I was even able to think, but I kicked the knife outof his hands and I ran.
He ran after me and he caught me and he pulled me down to the ground.
I was kicking and screaming and yelling, but it didn't do any good.
He dragged me along the ground.

(58:27):
I blacked out.
I don't know what happened after that.
I just don't know.
It's alright, you're alright.

(58:48):
When I woke up, I was in my own bed.
My parents have never said a word about it.
So according to Chris, Jason actually caught her and she blacked out.
And the next thing she remembers is waking up her own bed.
Now, guys, listen, I think it's interesting that she survived this at all.

(59:11):
Like the Jason of this movie of Friday the 13th Part III wouldn't hesitate to kill her.
How is she alive?
after the incident she describes.
It's fascinating.
I think that sequence is the scariest in the film because the rest of it is pretty broadin terms of what it's presenting.
But this one here and the way it's shown in kind of a dreamy flashback way, there's a realurgency to the way they shot this whole thing with her among the pine trees on the ground

(59:43):
and him coming up.
This is the first time we get a glimpse of him, like a real glimpse of him.
And it's really unsettling because we don't have any answers yet about what not that wewould eventually anyway, but there's really no rhyme or reason to what's happening.
And for her to have survived and been able to tell the tale, she's the first person in thefranchise to do that.
Right.
Right.
That we've, we've been able to circle back to, you know, and, from the franchise angle ofit all, this is another one where it's kind of a repurposed thing where

(01:00:14):
The semi dream sequence where you get attacked, but then you wake up and you're safe andyou don't know what happened.
That is the end of one and the end of two.
Yeah.
And here they put it in the middle and it's backstory for another character.
I can only imagine they thought that maybe giving Jason, cause this is the first time thatJason isn't attacking camp counselors, right?

(01:00:36):
Right.
Which is his origin story, you know, in its way.
And,
here you're getting, it's almost like, like nightmare and Elm street franchise would dolater.
And you're like, well, we're nowhere near Elm street, but someone hears ant works at Elmstreet.
And I know that's not actually what it is, but you know, I, feels like they're trying tokeep some sort of tenuous reason why Jason is here at this point in time, even beyond it

(01:01:03):
is in the area.
Right.
And you know, it's just interesting.
I don't, and you know, this too shall morph with, what's coming up.
in four and five and six, but it's, interesting to see these impulses at work.
I, well, the other thing that's interesting to me is that the Jason of the flashback isclearly the Jason of Friday the 13th, part three, not part two, even though this would

(01:01:26):
take place.
Well, you know, two years before, before the events of part two, right?
Like I, I often wonder, cause again, it is all told through the lens of Chris's memory.
Like,
Did the encounter go as exactly as she remembers it?
Like, you know, I'm not saying she's lying, but that her memory might not be accurate.

(01:01:46):
Like, she may have saw Jason and was terrified by him.
Yeah.
And there was an altercation.
But if he was trying to kill her, why didn't he?
You know, maybe they scared each other.
Guys, maybe it was her reaction to him, which is why he started wearing the bag.
Hmm.
Headcanon.
Whoa.
You know, we don't know.
Like he's, she sees this deformed guy in the woods.

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She freaks out.
There's an altercation.
She passes out and he runs away and then decides, you know, if I'm going to encounterpeople, need a bag.
doing haircuts and shaving anymore.
This, this lady thinks I look crazy.
Anyway, I'm just letting it all go.
I'll go now till I have to lamb it back to the toilet.
Yeah.
He stopped going to the gym too.
That's why he's so clumsy into.

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So she's finishing her story and Rick's car battery runs out, which he seems surprised at.
Like, dude, you left your lights on without the engine running.
What did you think was going to happen?
Like, come on, pal.
And there's plenty of moonlight anyway.
Why did you have the car running?
And so they have to hoof it back to Higgins Haven.
Higgins Haven.

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You said hoof it back to Higgins You did that to yourself.
Yeah, that's on you.
He had to hoof it back to Higgins Haven.
To help with horticulture.
In this horror film.
Meanwhile, Vera realizes she still has Shelley's wallet and she accidentally fumbles it,she accidentally drops it in the lake and because she's a nice person, she goes into the

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lake to get it.
This guy who just called her a bitch.
I got to say, I really like Vera.
But this is when we get an all time memorable classic movie moment because she sees afigure in a hockey mask who at first she thinks is Shelley, but quickly realizes it isn't.
And this is our first shot of Jason in the hockey mask.

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This is movie history right here.
And arguably the coolest use of 3D in the film with how she ends up getting here.
Vera, she realizes it isn't Shelley, but it's too late.
Jason fires a 3D shot from the spear gun right into her eye.
And it is amazing 3D.

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It's amazing makeup effects.
also, know, Rob, you mentioned earlier, like there's a kind of fury to this Jason's likephysical performance and the way that Richard Brooker and you see it in this moment
because the way that Jason kind of throws down the spear gun.

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after he shoots anger.
It's like, yeah, like there's no more use to him.
It's just anger and it's just like, it's well, I've always felt like this is, this is thefirst time that we, that moment that you mentioned is very similar to, in my mind, to
leather face in Texas chainsaw massacre.
When there's several kids have come to the house, he sits down in a moment of just panic.

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Remember when he's sitting in the front room, he puts his head in his hands and then he'stwitching kind of like looking out the windows and he's thinking,
Who are these people?
Why do they keep coming here?
This is my, like no one ever comes around here.
And now all of a sudden there's been two and he didn't understand what was happening.
And this is almost the case with Jason.
Like just go away.

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There's no reason for any of you to be here.
Just stop.
And it's an interesting moment for a killer that would eventually become a real, almostlike a robot by the time we get to Jason Lives, where there's no second thought to any of
his brutality.
Right.
The resurrected.
Jason version is a very different, but here there is, there's still this human qualities,even though he's just this big guy.

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It's, I just, I love that moment.
It's just a great bit.
It's a great choice.
you know, from an, from an actor doing a performance that is not verbal, like is all bodylanguage.
And, two quick things.
Number one, this is the iconic hockey mask movie.
Jason doesn't get it until about.
an hour into an hour and 35 minute film.

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it's, it's very late compared to the way through the movie.
I wonder, I don't know that anyone did this on purpose or if it was a happy accident inthe editing or whatever.
But what I, what I find interesting is that we get Chris's backstory flashback where shesees Jason in all of his hideous glory without any mask and freaks out.

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And it's not long thereafter that
Jason finds a mask and takes it to walk around it to hide his hideous face.
I don't know that those were, you know, put together on purpose or not, but it, it, it'sinteresting the way that it plays and it, it actually works.
You I think it does.
It's, and apparently there were a number of masks discussed.

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but the story is, as I have heard is that 3d supervisor, Martin J.
Sadoff,
was on a hockey team with producer Frank Mancuso Jr., both being from Buffalo.
And he had a goalie mask with him one day and they decided to try that.
And that's how it became the hockey mask.
And the actual mask for Jason was like a custom made piece from like vacuform plastic.

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So it was something they made specifically for the movie.
This is one of the things, I mean, I don't think we've mentioned it yet in this seriesthat we've been doing.
but there's a tremendous documentary called Crystal Lake Memories that covers all of theFriday the 13th.
Yeah, and the book is incredible that predated it.
really what the- Peter Brac is the author of Peter Brackey, yeah.

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And I'm buddies with Peter and what this actually was, there was a movie prior to thiscalled His Name is Jason that was a pretty, not pretty, it was a real low budget
documentary on the franchise.
And then they wanted to flesh that out and include more interviews, more coverage and-
for this, but anyway, to the point, there's an element in the, this about the hockey mask.

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There there's a moment when they're covering part three where they're talking about whoseidea it was for the hockey mask.
And pretty much everybody they interview takes credit for it.
Everybody has some alternate version of the story as to why the hockey mask was eventhere.
and how it ended up on set.
And in the end, it's just sort of decided that no one really knows exactly how this thingcame to be the mask of choice in the thing, which I think is great.

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I love film mythology where there's eight stories of the same thing happening.
I just think that's so fascinating because our minds are very, you know, we lose track ofmemories.
They're blended with emotion and all kinds of experiences and things.
So it's not going to be so cut and dry.
all the time and this is a great example of that.

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Absolutely.
It wasn't something that they were thinking about some iconic thing for a franchise.
no, like they didn't have an idea that it was going to become what it was.
No, not at all.
It's like the the shape mask in Halloween being what it was.
They had two or three different other masks that they were considering at the time andthis one just happened to be the one that they picked.
Okay, fine.
It's just a mask and they threw it on.

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They threw it around on the set.
They had a couple of them made and whatnot and
And that was that no one had any idea that it would become anything.
So I think that just speaks to what almost a casual decision this was to have the hockeymask come into play at that point in a movie.
First of all, so long into the running time, like you said, Rob, but also just overall,like who knew this would become the most iconic killer visage in all of horror.

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It's like it always amazes me that go ahead, make my day.
Does it the iconic dirty Harry line?
gets said in the fourth movie out of five.
Like it's so, that's so straight.
It's like, go ahead and make my day.
Like that, that feels like it would be from movie one of a series.

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Cause the first film it's just kind of like a fake Zodiac killer, right?
It's not even supposed to be launching a, it's not a detective franchise movie.
It's, it's a Zodiac quickie.
Yeah.
What's his, what's his, the, guy can't remember what he goes by the,
like the Gemini or some kind of.
I think it is like Gemini killer or something.
like it's, it's, know, yeah, it's, it's so interesting.

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What, well, the other thing I think is interesting about masks in man, masked killers isthat in, our, me to their Halloween series, masks were part of it almost from the very
beginning.
Prom night, terror train, my bloody Valentine, the Prowler all feature masked killers.
And in many of those who done an aspect of

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the killer's identity was central to the plot.
With the film so far in this series, we haven't really seen masked killers.
Like most of them have not, don't think we've had, you know, aside from Jason and the bagin part two, they haven't really used masks.
I'll be interested to see how that changes as we get into the movies in the second half ofthe season.

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definitely.
Yeah.
Well, you think about the fact that they were banking not on parts three forward at the,you know, in the earlier episodes that we've had here.
the first Friday the 13th riffs were just on that first film where they don't want torecreate a grandmother coming after anybody or a mother.
want to have a killer.
They want to have someone creepy.

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And even going back to Black Christmas, which a lot of people point to as a real earlytouchstone in the kind of slasher sub genre, there's no mask on the killer there.
It's just a guy.
And so, yeah, it didn't make sense to try to copy the hockey mask thing, but I think afterthis, that game changed.
So back in the house, Debbie and Andy, they get done having sex in a hammock, which can'tbe very satisfying, I would think.

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Awful.
There's no, no, there's just, that's not, it's not built, it's not built for that.
Andy likes walking around on his hands for, don't know why, you know, whatever reason helikes walking around on his hands.
Really it's so Jason can chop him open while he's upside down and he's walking around andjust gets like open.

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Crotch first, baby.
my God.
Debbie, on the other hand, she takes a shower and is chilling out, reading a Fangoriamagazine, specifically an article on Tom Savini and another article on Godzilla.
But what she doesn't know is that Jason is lurking under the hammock.
So she's going to get very similar to Kevin Bacon's death in the first movie, where itcomes up from below.

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And I gotta say, you gotta hand it to Jason.
He's a big guy and he moves around pretty stealthy.
Like this is not a huge house and he moves around pretty quiet.
Yeah, it's like fall break where this guy can go in and out of a pool with a body over hisshoulder silently, not making a single ripple in the water.

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Jason wrote that playbook.
Chuck and Chili, they're making popcorn in the kitchen.
Another great 3D shot, the popcorn.
popping out of the thing, I love it.
And then when the lights go out, Chuck goes to check the fuse box.
But you know what the most disturbing aspect of this scene is?
That he walks on that disgusting, filthy, wet basement floor bare feet.

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It's just the worst, man.
I know you're hippie and all It's this film's hot tub scene, yeah.
God.
then just like, know, there's a great shot in that scene where he's...
He's able to turn the lights back on.
The lights come back on, you see him, and Jason is standing right behind him in the hockeymask.
It's absolutely classic.

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I gotta be honest, this house does not look like it has quality electrical work.
No.
It's not good.
And Jason apparently knows that because he electrocutes Chuck by pushing him in the fusebox.
But honestly, you know, I think Jason shares capability with that with some random CrystalLake electrician who just kind of did a half ass job.

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Back upstairs, a surprisingly not dead but gravely wounded Shelley makes it to the house.
But Shelley doesn't believe the wound to his neck is real.
She thinks it's another one of his practical jokes, which is a great bit.
Yeah.
You know, and I guess Shelley can take comfort in the believability of his makeup as hedies.
Like, I guess that's something.
You know, he's got that going for him, you know.

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And then Chilly, she's going to be killed with the hot poker to the gut.
And it's around this time that Chris and Rick get back to the house and find things indisarray and they start looking around for their friends.
So now we go into the final act and we have a situation very similar to the final act ofpart two, the guy and a girl getting ready to face off against Jason.
But that changes quickly when Rick goes outside and is promptly grabbed by Jason, givingus

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what I think has got to be the most memorable 3d kill of the film, or maybe all time.
He, he, Jason has this guy.
We don't even see him get grabbed, but Jason's got him by the head.
He squishes the head.
The eye pops out right into the camera.
It's glorious.
Great stuff.
It's a, it's amazing.
Yeah.
This, this is definitely the, what the J and B

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of eyeball gore.
It is not the for that bronca of eyeball gore.
For sure.
For sure.
So now we have a single girl versus Jason.
So we're kind of back to the model of the climax set by the first film.
Jason throws Rick's body through the window, which is going to become a signature move.
yeah.
That's that's a signature move for Jason.

(01:15:27):
That's Jason's light my fire for sure.
Learned it from his mom, you know, learned it by watching her.
It feels more plausible.
Jason could do cause he's a big.
Big guy.
And then we have this incredible chase sequence through the house.
this ending sequence with Chris and Jason in the house.

(01:15:48):
yeah, like there's a moment where she's trapped in the closet.
And I'm just like, you know, I've watched this movie many times and every time I'm like,how is she going to get out?
It's so, it's such great tension that Miner builds.
I love that moment in the closet because she actually has to take a knife.
would have one of her friends dead bodies to use against Jason, which is just, and it's,not lingered on, but it's just so, you know, wow.

(01:16:13):
It's great.
is, it is fantastic.
And, and she does, she's barely able to escape.
She gets out a window, she hits Jason over the head of the log as he's coming out of thehouse.
Like that's a, that's a bold move.
And, and then she tries to escape in the van, but guys, the van,
The gas, there's not enough gas because the bikers, they siphoned it off.

(01:16:39):
Again, it's what you were saying, Rob.
It's a well-constructed screenplay.
It's efficiently set up.
It's not just, it randomly didn't work.
This was set up earlier and it's really, really, and of course she stops right on therickety bridge, which starts to give way.
know, again, Chekhov's rickety bridge.

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And, you know, I mean, at that point, where else is left to go?
But she goes for the barn.
Like at this point, you know, like, gotta go to the barn.
So, and I love, I love the sequence where she's up there hiding in the rafters and he's,she's watching him down below searching.
Yeah.
That's a reversal of the customary POV thing in so many slasher films.

(01:17:21):
Yeah.
Where you're watching from above.
Where the, yeah.
Where the, like in just before dawn.
where the killer is watching from above through the hole in the chapel.
So she hides up in the rafters and we talked about the physicality of Jason, the fury withwhich he's searching.
Like he's tearing stuff apart.
And then again, the father has so much crap in this barn.

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So there's plenty of stuff for him to throw around.
And he chases Chris up to the upper level where she knocks him with a shovel, puts thenoose around, they'd set up this pulley thing.
hangs him outside the big barn window.
And it's, I mean, it's fantastic.
This whole barn sequence is so good.
And she thinks she's safe.

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She opens the big barn door, find Jason hanging there, but then he's not dead yet.
And we get that moment with the musical sting where he kind of snaps back and Jason, get alook at Jason's face as he takes the noose off.
And that's when Chris realizes this is the guy she encountered two years ago.
And he slowly lifts himself down.
With one arm like that.
Yeah.
That's a strong moment, but that's also that first sort of glint at supernatural Jason.

(01:18:28):
Something more is happening here.
Yeah.
And, she, and he's, he's coming towards her and she's trapped.
then Ollie who Jason had really hit, you know, had, had beaten the hell out of he's stillalive.
And you know, he, there's a, there's a fight between him and Jason and gets his hand cutoff.
you know, again, I'll, Ollie wasn't going to win that fight, but it's enough.

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that it gives Chris a chance.
But I think it's interesting that this this movie, you have two people that at leastsurvive for a little while after their encounter with Jason.
Shelly and Ollie don't die immediately.
And I'm like, that that is something that would change going forward.
you know, it's like if you you met up with Jason, you're done.
Like that's, you know, and then we get the axe buried in his head, which again, that axedamage will be as as Justin pointed out a couple of episodes ago, you know, that axe

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damage will become a consistent
thing in the look of Jason in future movies.
Yes.
Kind of the only consistent.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Though unlike a real wound, it gets worse looking over time as opposed to better.
It does not.
It like reverse heels over a decade or so.
She bears that axis, had seemingly dead Chris pushes the canoe out to the lake and passesout.

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And then she wakes the next morning.
And while things seem calm at first, she sees a maskless Jason at the barn window.
Honestly, that is one of the scariest moments of that movie where she sees him in thewindow and then he sees her.
Yeah.
And he starts like, you know, like try to figure out how to open the window to get out.
Like his movements are so frantic.

(01:20:03):
It's like that is one of the absolutely terrifying moments in this movie that is burnedinto my psyche.
That terror.
When I was a kid, that was the the most terrifying thing in any of the early Fridays whenI first started watching them.
That scene haunted my nightmares.
absolutely.
100 % me too.
exactly all the things, all the reasons you just said, Chris, are why.

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I mean, it's horrifying.
It's absolutely horrifying.
It really is.
And then he bursts out of the barn, like he burst out of the door and then Chris looksback and the door is back on its hinges.
it's, it's, and Jason is gone.
It's a really interesting moment of like, no, she's dreaming.
And then one of my least favorite moments, the reprise of the

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corpse of Pamela Voorhees jumping out of the lake and pulling her down, which of courseturns out to be a dream.
And she wakes up and the cops are there, but like, I love the first part of this sequence,but the second part is ridiculous.
And how would she even know that story?
mean, what?
Yes.
It's very strange.
It's very strange.

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Chris has no idea who Pamela Voorhees is.
She doesn't know any of the backstory.
How would she even dream up that image?
It's insane.
Right.
Yeah.
And it's never.
Unlike so many other elements in this franchise, it's never brought back again.
the like the, the Mrs.
Voorhees is gone after this one.
And that's the last time we're going to see her until Freddie versus Jason.

(01:21:31):
Well, and the whole idea of the one last scare really changes.
Cause in one, two, and three, it's kind of the exact same last same scare kind of theCarrie, you know, homage, as you'd said, Chris.
In the next movie, we do get one last coda beat of scare, but it is so different.

(01:21:51):
And it kind of sets the stage for, they all kind of have something at the end, what thatis now will, starting in four will open up.
And I think probably because of like, when you see it in three, it is one of the oneswhere you just, you watch it and you just think, you can stop doing this now.
You can move on.

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Now, apparently there were three endings to Friday the 13th Part 3 that they went through.
The original script, Chris beheaded Jason in the barn with a scythe, sort of parallelingthe end of the first film with Alice and Mrs.
Voorhees.
But I think the filmmakers decided that might be a little bit too definitive of an end toJason.

(01:22:32):
So then there was another ending, which they actually shot, where Chris wakes up in thecanoe, she goes to the house thinking she sees Rick, only to find it's Jason.
and who cuts off her head, cuts off her.
And there's there's shots from this, the footage is gone, but there's shots of Chris, herarms feeling for her head, which has now been taken off again, mirroring the bit with Mrs.

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Voorhees at the end of one.
A, it's pretty dark.
You know, like that's a pretty dark ending.
And it's interesting, the photos that you can find online from this version.
you could see the original Stan Winston version of Jason's makeup, which they didn't endup using in the final film and is similar, but a little bit different from the, the

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unmasked Jason that we see here.
And it's just an interesting thing.
I'll, I'll post some shots online cause it's really, it's really an interesting thing.
But those were the two endings they went through before they finally ended with Mrs.
Voorhees jumping out of the lake.
And while the producers, initially, I think they thought that this was going to be thefinal installment of the series, they decided to leave the door open for the future.

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And with part three making almost as much at the box office as the original, plans wentahead for a fourth installment.
But this time, it would really be the last.
And to ensure that, it was given the title, Friday the 13th, the final chapter.

(01:24:05):
times before.
The madness lived.
This is the one you've been screaming for.

(01:24:28):
Friday the 13th, the final chapter.
Jason is back.
He moves like a shadow.
Dark and silent.
Sorry, you changing minds?
He never utters a word.
He doesn't even seem to breathe.

(01:24:49):
It's a card scroll!
mindlessly, mercilessly, kills, but now, Jason's reign of terror.
Friday the 13th, the final chapter.

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Friday, April 13th is Jason's unlucky day.
Friday the 13th, the final chapter was the first film in the series to bring in anoutsider to direct the movie.
Sean Cunningham had directed the first film.
Steve Miner, who did two and three, had worked on one and had worked closely with SeanCunningham.

(01:25:37):
even before Friday the 13th.
So for part four, the producers turned to Joseph Zito, who previously directed a slasherfilm we discussed in our Halloween series, The Prowler.
One of our favorite.
The Prowler is so good.
The stocking sequences in The Prowler are so good, which is why it's a little odd thatthis movie kind of doesn't have any until the final act.

(01:26:00):
Right.
But we'll get there.
man, Joseph Zito.
would go on to direct a number of movies for Canon films, including the first Missing inAction and Invasion USA.
He was attached to the Canon version of Spider-Man for a very long time that obviouslydidn't happen.
Another important thing about Joseph Zito is who he worked with on The Prowler.

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Yes, indeed.
Someone who came along for a return to the franchise for this one, Tom Savini.
Yes, he was convinced to return.
He had worked with Joseph Zito on The Prowler.
And again, this was genuinely intended to be the final installment.
Barry Cohen wrote the screenplay, although I think Joseph Zito had a large hand in it,although he is not credited.

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The film stars Kimberly Beck, Corey Feldman, E.
Eric Anderson, Barbara Howard, Peter Barton, who co-starred with Amy Steele in ashort-lived superhero series called The Powers of Matthew Star, as well as Crispin Glover
and
Ted White took over the role of Jason.
And we open with this recap of the first three films, which build around, it builds aroundPaul's campfire tale from the second film.

(01:27:09):
And it culminates with Chris putting the head, you the ax through Jason's head.
And then the credits start with an image of Jason's hockey mask blown up by the words, thefinal chapter.
And again, it really feels from the outset that this movie is going to be a kind ofsummation.
of the Friday the 13th series thus far.

(01:27:31):
Yeah.
And I, I will even say that it's, I think it's the first, even though was just a sequel,sequel at the time, this lays the groundwork for all of the legacy jukebox remix, sequels
of the modern era.
It starts off by literally giving you footage from all three of the prior movies, but thenmuch like

(01:27:55):
Jason is really the only true legacy character in this, right?
He is the, he is your lead, but you do have a lot of story beats in this one that areplayed as, you know, it's story in the present, but they are the same beats from one of
the three earlier films.
So you will get, and I won't call all of them out.

(01:28:16):
You're not wrong.
You're that's interesting.
mean, even a character like Rob, who comes in with his backpacking, who's
related to one of the victims in part two, but he is dressed camper style backpackerstyle, much like Annie, even from part one.
then Tommy will dress like him in part six.

(01:28:39):
What Tommy does at the end of this is very reminiscent of what Ginny does at the end ofpart two, but flipped and remixed a little bit.
So you get there's a lot of different things in this one where you're getting beats fromthe earlier films, but remixed into this one is like a greatest hits package of, you know,

(01:29:00):
it can be fan service if you've seen the first three, but if you haven't, it's, it'salmost like it's trying to give you the best bits of all three prior films.
that's interesting.
Yeah.
And it's the first one to set up a legacy character outside of Jason.
Right.
Yes.
With Tommy.
So after the credits, we find ourselves back at the barn from part three and the cops arefinishing the cleanup that we saw that started at the end of the previous film.

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You could tell right away that this is a little bit bigger of a production because youhave the helicopter and the searchlights overhead.
Like it's like, there's, it's just a bigger production.
feel like, mean, again, relative to other movies, obviously this is still a, you know, alower budget movie on sort of the larger scale, but it's.

(01:29:43):
It feels like the most expensive Friday the 13th movie today.
And this whole sequence is done sans score.
So really what you're getting is just sort of the raw in the moment in like the aftermathof something like this, as everyone pulls away.
And once again, this far, this, guess I'll say farm Higgins Haven has been, it sort ofdescends back into the stillness and the quiet of its lake existence, which puts the

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audience directly back in that sort of mindset right away.
Absolutely.
Yeah.
Cause that.
that last shot that you're talking about there is so great because you're you're very farback as all of the emergency vehicles are leaving and the helicopter spotlight is the
helicopters kind of finding that following the emergency vehicles and then yet you justslowly all the noise and the light goes away and you're left with that very peaceful shot

(01:30:34):
although yeah you know because of what we know it it's not so peaceful yeah no and and tocontinue our friday the 13th chronology
So this would be the end of the next day after the killings.
Like clearly there was that morning they found the, you know, they found the scene, theyspent all day sort of taking evidence and all the, all the stuff.
And this is the very end of that process that night.

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And now we can announce that the rest of the next 15 minutes of, Friday, the 13th finalchapter are the first 15 minutes in our, get me another Halloween too.
because
Holy shit.
yeah.
Is this movie turn into Halloween too for a bit like a real?
It's like a real.
Yeah.

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Yeah.
We go to the local hospital where Jason's body is taken to the morgue.
We learned this is the Wessex County Medical Center, which is really been having a busyweek considering, you know, that Friday, part two happened about six days earlier by my
calendar.
I want to mention that Wessex is a fictional county in New Jersey.

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There is no Wessex County.
There is an Essex County in the eastern part of the state, which I was born in.
And this and when we go into the morgue here, the characters we're getting here are nowfull grown career adults.
We're getting even farther as far as the kinds of victims that this series and franchiseis allowed to have now.

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Right.
Now it's motivated because Jason's body has gone here, but we are.
We're nowhere near a camp.
We're nowhere near a lake.
You know, we are, we are, it feels, you know, not exactly urban, but you know, town city,whatever.
this is the heart of Wessex County.
Yeah.
Of Wessex County.
Yes.
Yeah.

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And we get the more guy eating cause more guys are always eating.
Yep.
And, and you know, he's having a thing with one of the nurses.
He doesn't even get around to putting Jason's body away.
Like he just, it's just kind of there and too busy watching aerobics on TV.
Which is the most 80s super thing.

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It's perfect.
Like he's horny watching aerobics.
yeah, these guys, this obnoxious machete father, they kind of fill the same role as, asHarold and Edna from the previous film.
Axel?

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So glad you could come.
Axel, you are the Super Bowl of self abuse.
I just came to watch the news.
we get the great line, you're the Super Bowl of self abuse.
Yes.
Yes.
my God.
As he's trying to come onto her and like a room full of disgusting stuff.
yeah.
The way Axel hard whistles and then mouths without vocalizing the words, I'm sorry is the.

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Worst.
Like I this guy.
I hate him.
The actor's great with it, but I'm like, yeah, he was in a number of the police Academymovies.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I want this guy.
He's the guy that you want to see lose the yacht race so that we can save grandma's housefrom the evil rich guys.
This is who this guy is.
Yes.

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and, and you know, of course Jason is not quite dead.
Jesus christmas!
Holy Jesus god damn!
Holy Jesus jumping christmas shit!
You better get that sucker in the icebox!
I must be nuts!

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Good night, Axel.
Hey, where are you going?
Yeah, again, this touches on something that Justin had said earlier.
There's the hint of supernatural with Jason.
It is not overt.
It would not make the jump to avert supernaturalness until the sixth installment.
like, this guy's taking a lot of damage and, you know, he sleeps it off for a day and thengets back up.

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it's, you know, there's the hint of the supernatural here.
Jason, does, so he kills the morgue guy, he kills the nurse that he was having a thingwith, and he escapes the Wessex County morgue, at what point we find ourselves on yet
another part of Crystal Lake, which again, has become bigger by this point.

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And the principal setting for this movie is a pair of houses on the lake, one occupied bythe Jarvis family, consisting of a divorced mother, her teenage daughter Trish, and her 12
year old son Tommy.
who is introduced playing Zaxxon, a game I remember playing and played a lot.

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Tommy, turn that-
How was

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And here's the thing about the Jarvis family.
I really like them.
Like, I really like these characters.
Like, all of them are like...
They're really good.
Like Tommy makes is like a horror movie makeup enthusiast who makes his own masks ofexceedingly high quality.
Like he's basically the kid version of Tom Savini.

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Well, that's exactly what he is.
It's Tom Savini is a kid and and God, Corey Feldman is great.
Yeah, like he is like he was a really talented kid actor.
Like he's really good.
This was during a time when a lot of horror movies.
because they realize these are aimed at teenagers in particular, especially, mean, it'slike movies aimed at young people and horror movies are really keen to sort of let the

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audience know, hey, we are you to these horror kids.
Cause Fangoria was such a big deal at this Tom Savini was a household name by now.
So it's like, we're on the inside, you're on the inside.
And we started to see more of ourselves in these characters, like in the monster squad.
yeah.
Tommy Jarvis and these other things where it was, it was very relatable for young people.

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Absolutely.
And it's like, there's a scene later where he's watching one of the other girls, likethrough the window, like not, in a, in a, in a pervy way, but like one of the other girls
is in dressing in front of the window and he happens to catch it.
I happens to see it.
And it's like, it's played with the excitement of, my God, I'm going to see a naked girl.

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And it is so very real and genuine for like a boy of that age.
And Corey Feldman plays it great.
Like he was a really talented kid.
And, and, and it's, it's, it shines through in this movie.
And in that scene, the mom comes in and he kind of quiets down.
And it's the second time that the mom, cause she does it once to the daughter earlier,where she gives this kind of like knowing my kids are getting horny look where she's just

(01:37:47):
like, so amused at how horny her children are.
but,
The family in this, this is the slice of life.
These are the slice of life characters that are more reminiscent of the, the all of thecharacters in part one, you're actually getting like, you're getting to know these people.

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There is kind of the history of the characters are implied, but never, you know, you'renever going down all that way.
I mean, cause it's, you know, it's a horror movie.
It's not a drama and there are many things to do, but the,
kids in this movie aren't treated that way.
We'll get to them in a second, because they are not treated like the group in one or intwo, which is interesting because you're starting to split functions now, which is going

(01:38:31):
to get a little bit into the treating a lot of the people as simply cannon fodder, I thinkstarts to solidify more in this one because a lot of the teenage victims you don't really
know at all except for two of them who, of course, we will wind up talking about quite abit, but we will.
It's it's it's interesting.
It's that it's now that I think about it, it's that that late 70s, early 80s Spielbergslice of chaotic homewife thing that you'd see in a lot of Steven Spielberg movies in, you

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know, Close Encounters and E.T.
where it's like, you know, it's it's this loving family and but it's also all a littlechaotic and without a Yeah, almost always a loving family without a dad.
The exception in.
in Close Encounters, which is kind of the first verse of that, you have the dad.
then after that, it's the without a dad.
And it feels like it's of that that era and and type of domestic scene.

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Like and I didn't think about it before, but like, that that really feels, you know, it'sthat early 80s domesticity, the chaotic domesticity.
The other house that is has been rented to a group of teenagers.
headed up to the Crystal Lake for the weekend and presumably they're not put off by thefact that there have been 20 confirmed murders in the area in the last week.

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So this is a big, this is a big tip.
When you're Airbnb and being at Crystal Lake, you really want to pre-negotiate a fixedcleaning price because you do not want to be on the hook.
No.
No, you do not.
You might literally be on the hook.

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The group consists of Doug, Sarah, Paul, Samantha, Ted and Jimmy.
Ted is kind of the jokester of the group, although he's not the practical joking to thedegree of Shelley because you can't out Shelley Shelley.
But again, these feel like real kids.
I'll give them that.
You know, they're horny, they're prone to jealousy, like the random petty stuff that, youknow, comes with being a teen.

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And then she wouldn't even take my calls.
I mean, can you figure that?
What the fuck happened?
Let me put it the old computer.
No, I'm serious about this.
The computer don't lie.
Now, let's see.

(01:41:10):
What?
It says...
It says you're a dead fuck.
What?
A dead fuck?
A lousy lay.
You know, a dead...
I see.
don't hold it back from me, Doc.
I can take it.
Give it to me straight.

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I did not say it.
The computer did.
Yeah, well, there is no computer.
Aha!
And there's no Betty either.
And I'm dead fuck.
Like I said, the computer don't lie.
And as I think you're right, but most of these other characters are not quite asmemorable.
Yeah.
I mean, and they don't even really spend much time with them, but Ted and Jimmy, it'sweird.

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It's not, you know, not bad weird, but they are focusing on two characters out of the kidsthat it's not the final girl and her boyfriend, which is often what the earlier films did.
They're kind of.
because they don't need that because the Jarvis family is kind of taking that function,right?

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Right.
That would have traditionally been with the, you know, it's, it's a Tommy and his sister,right?
You know, wind up taking those slots.
So you don't need, nor do you have time for them.
So it's interesting that they decide, well, we still need X number of kids to, know, toget it.
We people to kill.
Yeah.
But they're like, but
let's just focus on two of them and make our story with the, with the teens there.

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And it's entertaining.
is.
And part of it is the Crispin Glover just gives a great performance.
Like he's just like the character's okay on the page, but he just gives it a personalitythat I think is even beyond what was on the page.
I mean, it's, it's, it's a well-written character, but he, he brings something to it andit's great.
He's so great.
I will say that this group feels a bit more cohesive than the one from part three, like

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This feels like a group of people that would hang out together.
Like it's not like the random, you know, slightly older couple that are the stoners.
I want to point out that along the way as they're driving up, the car passes the grave ofPamela Voorhees, which is right by the road, although there are other headstones behind
it.
So it's clearly a graveyard.
The headstone fixes the date of her death and the end of the first film as 1979, whichmeans if part two picks up five years later,

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and two, three, and four happened in fairly quick succession, the series has now caught upto the present day of 1984.
Smart.
Later on, see, by the way, we see Mrs.
Jarvis reading a newspaper with a banner headline, mass murderer's body missing.
So by my estimation, depending on how quickly the story of the missing body got out,Jason's escape two, maybe three days tops later.

(01:43:58):
Like it's a local paper.
probably don't do multiple auditions per day.
So maybe it's an extra day, you know, but at most that means Friday the 13th parts two,three, and four take place in a span of at most 10 days, which is just amazing.
the worst day to have been employed by crystal Lake PD in the history of the department.

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There's a lot of guys who quit before they changed the name to forest green.
Yes.
Upon arriving at the rental house, the kids meet Trish and Tommy, as well as a pair oftwin girls who look like they came right out of a double bit gum commercial.
And there's the usual horsing around, skinny dipping at the lake, that kind of thing.
One of the girls pulls the fake drowning bit on her friend, which is a callback to thefirst movie.

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Yep.
Don't let Jason see you do that shit because he will get offended.
No.
Or and also don't sexily lounge in a a raft either.
Really don't do anything on the water.
Don't do anything.
Get in the water.
Trish and Tommy also meet a hitchhiker named Rob Dyer who says he's in the area huntingbears.
And he helps them when their car breaks down and they bring them back where Tommy showsthem all the cool masks and stuff.

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It's again, another nice character moment.
You know how quickly Tommy takes to Rob and how much he wants to impress him.
the, you know, like this is a kid who, you know, his dad's not around.
And this older guy, you know, kind of comes in the picture, who seems nice and everything.
And, you know, he's just wants to show them all the cool stuff.

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And I just, liked that moment.
yeah.
With Tommy is wants to show off and, you know, as we get into it, this is introducing anew character type into Friday the 13th, as a franchise that you will, you will have later
on as well.
the kind of character we have not had before in the first three.
Correct.
So the kids have a party at the house.
I think we need to mention,

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I think we need to talk about Crispin Glover's dance moves because they're great.
Like it's so legendary.
It's just great.
Like it's these jerky early.
It's like, it just feels like he's the epitome of awkward throughout this whole thing.
I like him so much.
Like he's, he's, the awkward guy that, you know, you know, real, you know, again, he, endsup getting one of the double mint twins.

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Like it's, you know, and then is able to rub it in Ted's face when he does.
Yes.
Ted finds the old stag movie, which he sets up on a reel to reel projector and watches forhours.
It's the longest stag movie in history.
I'm like, my God.
It's great that he spends the pre like the rest of the earlier running time kind of layinginto Crispin.

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Yeah.
Crispin's character as this guy who no one's going to touch and everything.
And then in the end,
Teddy's the one who's sitting by himself watching stag movies while every, everyone elseis off copulating in some way, including, yeah.
I mean, it's, it's so funny that it flips that character right over.
Yeah, absolutely.
and one of the girls, Samantha, she gets jealous of the attention that Paul has given themon the twins.

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So she decides to leave and go skinny dipping in the lake.
she sees a random inflatable raft out there and gets in it.
Girls.
Don't be fooled by random inflatable rafts on Crystal Lake.
It is almost certainly a trap.
yet another jukebox remix scene because we've seen people on canoes and rafts in CrystalLake before and what happens every single time in part one, two and three.

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Someone jumps out from behind them to then do some kill time.
Yep.
So, and this evens the score cause now this is our second Jason.
boat grab.
We've had two Mrs.
Voorhees boat grabs.
So we now have mother and son even on the scoreboard.
He's keeping up.
Yes.
It's interesting though.
Like I do think this movie pulls back a little bit from the graphicness of the kills inthe previous installment.

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I wonder if some of that is that they were, they didn't do 3D like they'd done 3D for partthree.
They didn't go back to 3D.
And it feels a little bit more like they're pulling back a little bit in terms of thatkind of stuff.
Like
Like one of the twins glee leaves the party early and that kill is almost entirely insilhouette.
Well, there was a lot of trouble with the MPAA as this, as they went on from the firstone.

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I don't know how much that factored in.
you know, if you just stop shooting stuff that you're going to have to cut anyway, don'tknow.
Like, know, like you, or, or maybe some of it was cut or a shot knowing it was going to becut.
You know, it's like, we'll give the MPAA this.
That was definitely the deal on the next one.
where they kept shooting, shooting, shooting, knowing that a substantial amount of it wasgoing to have to be trimmed, but they didn't care.

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They just wanted to shoot as much stuff and they can sort of negotiate.
At that point they had learned to negotiate with the MPAA.
Okay, okay.
We'll cut these three frames if you allow us to keep these three frames over here.
And they know exactly what's going to be asked to be cut in fate.
so it's always going to be the sex stuff almost always.
And so they can trim that back a little bit and then have a little more on the kill side.

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So were really learning.
But yeah, I mentioned earlier the scapegoating of Friday the 13th was in full motion bythe time this one came about.
Absolutely.
But also the other thing is that they had, they have a very graphic kill at the end ofthis film, which we'll get to.
And I think, you know, some degree it was like, we want to lull the audience into aslightly false sense of security before we get to the big, that big moment at the end,

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which obviously
Yeah, we'll get to it in a short while.
yeah, because because direction and story wise, everything up till now is kind of likeit's a little set piece, like almost zero stocking characters often don't know they're in
danger where you just have like this little setup and then you get, you know, this payoffwhere Zito is just, you know, really focusing on whatever Savini is doing.

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And obviously they're only showing as much as they're showing, but it really feels like
Hey, let's stop the moment and appreciate this, this, you know, little art piece by TomSavini.
Yep.
Which is happens to be a murder.
And then we go on, but really until, you know, the rain sets in, that's pretty much themode of this movie for the first two thirds or so.

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Yeah.
This movie has the best rain since part one, like,
Wow.
Yeah.
Which again is another homage to part like this is another remix bit where your final actis all rain.
Just like part one, the final act was all rain.
Yes, absolutely.
Absolutely.
And Trish goes out, she comes across Rob's campsite.
She discovers he's got all kinds of information about Jason and the history of killings atCrystal Lake.

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And it turns out that his sister was killed by Jason and he still believes Jason's alive.
Sister Sandra was just a really great kid.
The man that killed your sister is dead.
He's alive.

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Jason is a child, Our misconception of Jason is described by a would-be victim, right?
And then, the murders?
Dad?
Jason's body has disappeared from the morgue.
It was stolen.
It was not stolen.
Two people at the hospital are missing.

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Is a coincidence?
Good luck.
His sister was Sandra, who was killed with her boyfriend by Jason with the spear when theywere in bed.
And so we get this is, as you mentioned, this is a new archetype for the, for the Thriveof the 13th characters, the hunter.
The someone who's coming to, you know, put a stop to what's happening.

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The wandering hunter.
Yeah.
Absolutely.
Yeah.
And can we, can we talk, can we ask a question here?
And I know there's no answer.
How did Jason know to
break into Rob's tent specifically and destroy all of his Jason hunting gear.
Like, did he know this guy was coming for him?
Is it just, will he do this to anyone's tent?

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Well, he's, yeah, he doesn't want guns around cause that could be, you know, that couldbe, so he breaks the rifle that he's got in there.
Well, you know, he just, knows his area, you know, it's a, think it's his.
Yeah.
I mean, I also will buy because he is getting semi-supernatural that is Jason sensestingling, but it seems like that's another point.
in, you know, that he is, he's beyond go or going a little beyond mere mortal, mere mortalman.

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Indeed, indeed.
And he gets in the house again.
He's able to move around pretty quietly.
he kills Jimmy with a corkscrew.
Hey Ted, where the hell is the corkscrew?
What a great last line.
And then he takes a cleaver to the face.
The other twin, the one who didn't die earlier is thrown out the window and down onto astation wagon.
Nobody hears the crash, her body made into the station.

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It blows the windows out.
My God.
kind of stunt that you won't find in one through three, because it's a much bigger, much,bigger stunt than, than prior.
Yeah.
Like that is a big stunt and, and absolutely.
and Ted, Ted still watching his stag movie.
How long is this thing?
And then he gets killed and then upstairs you have Doug in the shower and we learn thatsinging is not one of the powers of Matthew Starr.

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And Jason doesn't think so either.
And I think they wanted to reverse the familiar image of the girl in the shower.
So they killed a guy in the shower and just like Jason kind of, you know, like he appearsthere, smashes the guy's nose, grabs the face, smashes the head and it's like, you know,
it's like, okay.
There you go.
Which feels, which feels actually a lot like the shower kill in the prowler.

(01:54:03):
Yes, it does.
It, the brutality of it feels much, it reminded me a lot of the prowler.
Although again, that too, you know, it's gender flip from there too, right?
because that victim was female.
I had that powers of Matthew star joke set up.
I was, I was very proud of that one.
like, was, nobody remembers that show.

(01:54:24):
Louis, Louis Gossett jr.
Was the other, it was, was, it was.
It was Peter Barton, Amy Steele, and Louis Gossett Jr.
with the powers of Matthew Starr.
The last of the kids is killed when she takes an axe to the chest through the front door.
And so we reach this interesting point where among the kids, like fairly quickly they getkilled.

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So there's no survivors among that group that came up at the beginning.
It's just Trish, Tommy, and Rob.
I forgot to mention the mother is implied to be killed a little earlier.
when the power is...
But we never see her.
We never see her.
Although I will come back to that at the end with a little bit of what might have been inan alternate version.

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But Rob and Trish, along with Gordon the dog, they go next door.
They leave Tommy to find Rob's handy Jason Voorhees primer, including a sketch based onAlice's description of the boy who pulled her into the lake, which is interesting when you
consider that that was a dream about a person she literally never saw.
Yeah.

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And then we find some of the kids, they, she can go over, they find some of the kids'bodies.
Gordon, the dog decides to get the hell out of there.
Yeah.
This is not a Halloween movie.
The dog lives.
Dog lives, takes dramatic crash through the window.
Like he jumps out that window.
Whoa.
And then, and Rom searches the basement, but not really well.

(01:55:52):
Jason was down the whole time.
He's stealth, man.
He pops up to count.
This guy's the hunter.
He's to be hunting Jason.
You can't find him in a basement.
And like they were nearly out of the basement and then Rob hadn't gotten his foot stuck inthe stairs.
They would have made it, but then he does and that's it, you know.
And Jason gets really arty with his positioning of the body.

(01:56:15):
Like Jimmy is basically nailed up in like in the back, like in front of the back door tothe house.
Like
Jason's come a long way.
By now he's seen Halloween.
Yes, that's it.
He had time in that extra day to screen Halloween.
Or at least Halloween 2.
Very big fan of Halloween 2.

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So the final sequence is Trish and Tommy against Jason.
And again, this is another nail-biter of a finale.
it's great.
It's so good.
It's so, it is, is genuinely great.
Jason throws Rob's body through the window.
Again, the signature move and, and to Rob's point, again, a reprise of something that'shappened in most of the other movies to this point, you know, like that, throwing the body

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through the window and then Jason appears in the window.
love that shot of Jason appearing in the window behind.
It's like, and, and, grabbing, grabbing Tommy.
It's so good.
Yeah.
And what, and the pace that this is moving at too.
it starts to feel more more claustrophobic as it goes on because this one opens prettywide.
There's like the skinny dipping scene.

(01:57:27):
You're moving around to different locales, but by the time it cinches it down to basicallythis house, these two houses and sort of the interplay between the two of them, the
geography just disappears.
And then you're just locked in rooms with him and seeing him through the window like that.
I mean, you're so present in that moment because you're just holding on at this point inthis film.

(01:57:48):
It's moving so fast.
And there's so much going on and he's so, man, he is so agile getting around, not just instrength, but in mobility.
It's, it's, it's really presenting Jason for the first time as something that is, that youcannot ever count on getting ahead of.
in the first three, there was always a little bit of an element of, all right, we canstill knock him out.

(01:58:10):
We can still trip him.
We can still hang him up or something from this point forward.
They have to resort to more and more creative kills.
to try to get rid of him, even though it never works, of course, but ultimately you can nolonger just sort of hit him with a car door and knock him down for a minute.
No, what you can hit him with is a television set.
They do get the television set over the head when they're trapped in the room, which isjust terrifying.

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And then, you know, he's motionless for a moment, like on the floor.
And I got to say, motionless Jason is one of the scariest things when he's there.
And you know he's popping back up.
You know he's not dead.
And the characters know he's not dead.
And it's like, that it's like, we have to get around it.
We have no choice.

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We can't just stay here.
So Jason, he gets up and he runs and Trish runs over to the other house.
It hopes that will give Tommy time to run away.
But Tommy's got other ideas.
So and we'll get to that.
That's it's such an interest.
Tommy's Gambit is one of the most interesting.
Again, it is a

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a spin on the end of part two, but a really interesting.
He's a hyper creative kid that's established from the beginning is, you know, his room isfull of Savini masks and stuff from other movies and whatnot.
And you see him playing that video game or, know, you're saving the universe kind of athing.
How many aliens did you kill this time?
Yeah.
Yeah.
So he's a kid who's, he's very focused on the fantastic and he's really, and he's totallydown to create new shapes and faces of heads and arms and things like that.

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And I love that that is carried through to the next film too.
Yeah.
In the portrayal of Tommy, that he doesn't lose sight of his passion for this kind ofstuff there.
But that really, I think that opens the door to the climactic scene here that you're aboutto talk about, Chris, is that Tommy in a way has kind of trained himself to be ready for

(02:00:06):
this.
Yeah, he didn't know he was doing it, but he kind of did inadvertently.
Right, right.
Jason chases Trish, she goes over to the other house and then kind of runs headlong outthe window to get away.
She takes the example from Gordon the dog, goes right through the window.
I love Jason kind of looking out the window at her, it's seeing that she's not dead andjust kind of go, huh, like, there you go.

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And then she goes back over to her house, Jason's close behind.
There's a pretty good battle.
Like Trish splits open his hand with the machete.
You know, that's one of those harrowing moments.
It's like, God, it's like, you know, it's almost like, it's like, I got a paper cut, butyou know, times a billion.
And then she's fighting Jason and it's pretty well.
And then Tommy shows up made up as young Jason.

(02:00:59):
He has shaved his head.
She's got little clumps of hair and he looks just like the Jason from the lake.
and you want to talk about the script again.
I didn't mention it in the beginning because when I spoil it, but the first thing Mrs.
Jarvis says to Tommy on screen is that he needs to get a haircut.
That's what we call foreshadowing in the biz people.

(02:01:22):
yeah.
I never caught that.
That's great.
The first thing she tells them.
And anyway, you know, it's, fun stuff.
It's nice to lay it in.
I mean, obviously it does.
You don't have to catch that or not, but it is,
You know, again, these movies are crafted well.
It's not, and look, I know that, you know, they also were made fast and not every decisionwas agonized over, but like this is like, these are very well made slasher movies, man.

(02:01:51):
I know I just keep saying it over and over again, but you know, they're really well done.
And it's absolutely true.
Cause we've seen the other, we've seen the other thing.
We've seen some that are not well made.
And so, it's very clear that's like, this, you know, it's like when we were doing StarWars, the Star Wars series, it's like you'd go from Star Crash to and then compare it to

(02:02:15):
Star Wars or something like that where it's not as, and here it's like, you know, there'sa reason why Friday the 13th became Friday the 13th.
They're really good.
then so, Trish uses the machete to cut Jason's mask off, which drops to the floor in slowmotion.
And as Jason turns to attacker, Tommy grabs that machete and slams it into the side of hisface.

(02:02:38):
And as Jason falls, the machetes pushed through like it's an incredible effect.
He slides down the machete and this is, again, you know, from the, you know, macheteattacks at the end of one and two, this is its own version of replaying that moment.
But instead of going,

(02:03:01):
whatever horizontal, this horizontal across the head.
this is the vertical down into, and it is, it really is a great looking effect on screen.
I mean, it's amazing.
and then, know, then, well, then Tommy notices that Jason's hand moves a little bit and hegrabs that machete and he goes absolutely apeshit on him.

(02:03:23):
Like, holy he get, he just chopping away, die, die.
It's like, but again,
Tommy knows, Tommy knows what adults don't, which is that you really have to kill himdead.
And even then, maybe not.
Who knows?
Maybe it's all of his suppressed anger at his dad or something like that.

(02:03:45):
Who knows?
But he has that anger in him.
He does because we, cut to the hospital where Trish and Tommy are recovering and he comesin to hug her and we freeze frame at the end on this sort of manic look, you know, it's
like, is there something in, has something of that been passed to Tommy?
It's not.
You know, again, this is something that Halloween four would do more explicitly at theend.

(02:04:06):
But here it's like sort of the hint of has something has something gotten into Tommy andthat will the next film will explore that.
yeah.
They play with that a lot.
And, you know, so I mean, you could say Friday the 13th, the final chapter ran so thatHalloween ends could also run.

(02:04:27):
think I fucked that up, but in any case, you know,
yeah.
Now, there was an alternate ending shot where instead of cutting right to the hospital,you would have seen Trish and Tommy waking up the next morning in their house, and Trish
goes upstairs to the bathtub to find her mother dead in the bathtub.

(02:04:47):
And then Jason is behind her and the mother grabs her and she's got like the white eyes,like dead white eyes, and then she wakes up and then she's in the hospital.
So there was going to be another fake out.
dream sequence ending that they ultimately decide they didn't need because the freezeframe on Tommy is all of the, you know, kind of the, the spooky ending that you need.

(02:05:12):
Like it's a different kind of scare.
Yeah, absolutely.
I mean, and this is, you know, it's interesting.
They were planning on potentially redoing the final moment of the first three and theyfound something different.
Yeah.
you know, we'll propel them into the next few films from in a different way than, than theother ones did.

(02:05:35):
And it's interesting cause this, this series to me is all about evolution.
And that's the thing I keep coming back to is that, you know, it's, it's not like, they,they got an absolutely sort of platonic ideal of a movie in the first go round.
I'm first, first Friday through the week is great.
And it's still, if not my favorite among my favorite, but like,

(02:05:57):
It's not like Halloween where that first film is just perfect and that all of thesubsequent ones have been trying to replicate that.
Obviously, three is its own thing and I love Halloween three, but it's its own thing.
like here, it's the evolution that each one is building on the previous one and doing somethings that the previous one did, but also doing some new stuff and leaving the something,

(02:06:22):
know, the leaving some aspects behind there, maintaining some.
and starting some new things.
And I just think it's, it's just really interesting.
And obviously this movie did not turn out to be the final chapter, although I think thefilmmakers genuinely meant it to be like that.
They were really thinking that that was, if it had been, it would have been a strongending to the series.

(02:06:43):
yeah.
and I know, you know, this, this closes the door on one chapter for Friday the 13th, butanother opens.
cause I know Chris, you have an interesting,
interesting look at these, Fry of the 13th cycles in and of itself.
Well, think, I think the Fry of the 13th series very much by accident.

(02:07:06):
I actually think stumbled onto what is the ideal format for a long running film series.
And that is a set of interlocking trilogies where the last installment of one trilogy isthe first installment of the next.
So putting aside the first film, cause it's its own thing.
Fridays 2, 3, and 4 are one trilogy.

(02:07:27):
They chronicle Jason's original killing spree.
And then 4, 5, and 6 are the Tommy Jarvis trilogy.
At some point down the road, we're going to do some bonus episodes where we look at 5 and6 and so on and the rest of the series because we just love them.
And then Fridays 6, 7, and 8, they're like the resurrected Jason trilogy.

(02:07:47):
But the key is that the last chapter of one trilogy is the first chapter of the next.
So you're always refreshing story arcs and character elements so things don't get stale.
and I just think that's, it's such, again, it was completely accidental that it's not likethey had this plan, but like that this movie would be the end of sort of the first Jason

(02:08:07):
trilogy and the beginning of the Tommy Jarvis trilogy.
think it's great.
If anyone wants me to hire to do, hire me to mastermind their, their long running filmseries, that would be the model that I would, I would employ.
and inflatable sex tents.
Yes.
You never go wrong with inflatable sex tents.
You get your green lighting and it's It's great.

(02:08:31):
God.
These two movies again, I've been watching them for years and they are, God, I just lovethem.
And it was what a perfect, what a perfect pair to be a, to be the subject of our 100thepisode of get me another.
Yeah, guys, it's been, it has been great and you know, it has been great.
And now that we're done with 100, I, I'm putting in for my vacation day.

(02:08:55):
I finally earned a single vacation day after 100 episodes.
get one vacation day.
Yeah, I was gone for the one episode, but I got docked to pay, but this one is an actualvacation day.
So, I, know, I hope you guys have fun next week.
I will not be here.
I booked a little.
little place up at forest greens.

(02:09:16):
great deal on it.
Unbelievable deal.
Amazing.
Amazing.
Well, stay in touch with us.
You know, if you have, yeah, yeah, you know, let us know.
Sure.
have cell service up there.
Yeah.
I'm taking the old Dodge though.
I'm sure it'll be fine.
Let me ask you guys something here at to celebrate episode 100 because there isn't anyother voice in the room that can pose questions to you guys really.

(02:09:41):
I'm so curious what you guys, what have you taken from evaluating all these different, inthese different series that you've done, Hollywood does this again and again and again,
right?
Cinema does this again and again.
And a lot of times the films that come in the wake of something more, something successfulare often independent efforts, at least in the beginning.

(02:10:05):
But are there any things that you guys have picked up as,
sort of common elements among these or funny consistencies throughout this whole thing?
Because a hundred episodes is a hell of a lot and you guys have poured over so manydifferent big films and the movies in their wake.
What have you guys picked up from this so far?
Well, I think one thing, a couple of things.

(02:10:26):
One is that creativity comes in the most unexpected of places.
you know, that yes, that sometimes you have movies that are made for the most sort ofbasic
financial reason of that was successful and we want one of those.
So get me another, whatever it is, Star Wars, Halloween, Friday the 13th, whatever.

(02:10:47):
But you have a lot of times where you let filmmakers go and even though they're working ina kind of model, the decisions they make can lead to very creative films.
Sometimes not, sometimes they're very uncreative films.
but sometimes that they're very creative films.
And just because something is, is made for an economic motivation, doesn't mean it can'thave a strong creativity to it.

(02:11:14):
like that.
Yeah.
And I just say some of the similarities or trend similarities as far as what happens when,after you get a successful movie, the first movies that come out are things that were
already on the shelf in some fashion and they may not.
quite fit the actual movie that they're supposed to be following in the wake of, but it'sclose enough.

(02:11:38):
The marketing people can sell it like that.
Then generally you do get the independence because they can work a lot faster.
faster and cheaper.
Yeah.
Depending upon the era that could be Roger Corman or the Italians.
God bless the Italians, Mike.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And then you'll get your first true wave of films where the filmmakers saw
and are aware of what the first film and its success was and means and what people thinkit means.

(02:12:04):
But you start, you start to get that game of telephone where you go, that's what theythink is important sometimes.
Right.
And not, not, that may be good.
It may be bad, but I think that is where you start to get the iterative changes that startgetting introduced.
There's usually a part about five years after the first film.

(02:12:25):
in general, like your first wave will be about 10 years in length, sometimes shorter,like, the hard days night.
It's much, much faster cause it's like teen music culture.
sure.
Whereas something like Conan, the sword and sorcery stuff went long, you know, even thatwave you could say went longer or mad max went longer or mad max.
Yeah.
But about halfway through, you usually see some sort of drastic change that's introducedto keep it fresh.

(02:12:51):
Oftentimes that is,
crossing it with another genre.
that's not always the case.
But you'll see people starting to really go.
You'll also see if there are any influences for the first film that some people will tryand redo those influences but often not updating them.

(02:13:13):
That's something we see a lot where the first one is often, can wear influences on itssleeve, but then later ones will go, influences.
And then it will just
do the influence without necessarily updating it.
That's another common one.
Again, neither good nor bad.
It's like Rocketeer was one that it went for the influences and just did the influence,right?

(02:13:36):
On that kind of pulpy era of stuff for, you know, comp, you know, going back to like theorigins of Batman kind of a thing, but that we loved, you know, so it doesn't, it's not
shadow as well.
It's just the shadow and the shadow as well.
Yeah.
where they're like, we're gonna do source material, but we're gonna update it a lot lessthan Burton did, right?

(02:13:58):
And so it's interesting that you see a lot of these impulses over and over again, but inmuch, much different contexts.
That's fascinating.
my gosh.
You guys have done something really special here.
thank you.
Congratulations.
And there's one other thing I learned, and the other thing I've learned is that I lovedoing this show.
And 100 episodes.

(02:14:20):
I hope that it's just the beginning because we have a very long list, deep in the heart ofGet Me Another headquarters, in a locked vault, we have the master list of potential Get
Me Another series, and it is long.
It is a long list, and we'll see where we go next.

(02:14:41):
This is not Get Me Another, the final chapter.
No, this is not the final chapter.
Although every episode is, in fact, a new beginning.
And we'll be back next week to look at two independently produced slasher films whichfeature locations a little bit different than some of the ones we've seen so far.

(02:15:02):
So join us then as we look at 1984's Satan's Blade as well as The Mutilator, also known asFall Break.
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We are your host, Chris Iannicone.
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