Friday the 13th Ep. 09 - Berserker / Twisted Nightmare

What’s a filmmaker to do if they need to make an 80s slasher film but the trend is getting long in the tooth? Add some inappropriate folklore!

A group of campers is stalked by a Viking berserker in the appropriately titled, BERSERKER (1987). 

And then a group of young people are mysteriously invited to their old summer camp built on land cursed by a medicine man in TWISTED NIGHTMARE (1988).

Episode Transcript

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Hello, and welcome to Get Me Another, a podcast where we explore those movies whichfollowed in the wake of blockbuster hits and attempted to replicate their success.
My name is Chris Iannicone, and with me is my co-host, Rob Lamorgus.
Beer.
Give me a beer.
Gotta keep the flow going.
You do.
You do gotta keep the flow going.

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Unfortunately, Justin, our other co-host couldn't be here this week as he got a suddeninvitation to a reunion at his old summer camp.
So hopefully that will go smoothly and without incident.
yeah.
Is that the summer camp where that girl's brother totally died?
yeah.
But I'm sure it's not related to that.
I'm sure it's not like a, you know, I thought it was kind of a jerk.
I'm not some kind of revenge plot.

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No, no, it's not.
That's inconceivable.
Today is the ninth episode in our Get Me Another Friday the 13th series.
And by this point, we are firmly in the waning years of the 1980s and fairly late in theslasher movie cycle that had been going since both 1978 Halloween and 1980s Friday the

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13th.
So today we're going to look at two slasher films that tap into
different folklore traditions to flavor their masked killers.
At least in theory.
So first up today from 1987, this is Berserker.

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Send for them and we get help.
We're Sturgis ship, we're driving to Sturgis.

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Berserker also called Berserker the Nordic curse.
My preferred title.
Berserker the Nordic curse is way better.
Unnecessary colon.
Especially after you see the film.
Yes, yes.

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It was directed by Jefferson Richard, who co-wrote the film with Joseph Kaufman.
Now, Jefferson Richard had a long career in film, primarily as a producer, line producer.
The credited is just Jeff in this one.
Yes, credited is just Jeff.
He had a long career, again, in a variety of roles, but he only directed three films.

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And one of those actually was uncredited.
All three of them, by the way, featuring George Buckflower.
who plays Pappy Nyquist in this film.
And I didn't realize till I watched some of the special features on the vinegar syndromedisc that Buckflower was Jeff Richards brother-in-law.
Yeah.
Yeah.

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And Pappy Nyquist for those who want my AD-esque stylings in my notes is listed as weirdold guy.
Really?
He's got a name in the movie.
He's bad.
No, no, I'm telling you, this is my character breakdown, Chris.
Next to the name Pappy Nyquist, it says weird old guy.

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I now looking back should have added beardy weird old guy.
He's got the beard with no mustache.
It's the Nordic thing.
It's know, well, and I like to think of it as the, it's the Lincoln.
cause I am, you know, unfortunately still American.
So I got to, there we go.

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And I believe this film won the first and only Academy Award for Fog Machine.
Yes.
Yes, it did.
It did.
was the one year that was a special technical award for best fog machine and this sharedit with one other.
It should have with one other film, which we will discuss later.
Is it twisted nightmare?

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Because just what a coincidence that they both in 1987, the one year, the one year bestfog happened.
Goodness.
I should mention that Richard, Jeff Richard claimed in an interview that I watched that hewrote this film in three hours.
And I am not sure if he's being serious about that or not, but it is possible.

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I can imagine it being the case.
And it was produced by a company that had previously made adult features and was nowtrying to break into mainstream horror, which was also the case with a movie we talked
about a few episodes ago.
The Prey, which is the exact opposite of what you would think.
You would think our second film was made by the nudie film company, but this one, they dohave the moment where a female character is about to take off her top on screen.

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And then she just looks into camera and goes, nah.
So they are both they're trying to go legit and disappointing all at the same time.
In addition to flower, the film stars, Greg Dawson, Joseph Allen Johnson,
Rodney Montague, John F.
Goff, and Beth Toussaint.

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Beth Toussaint is the woman who did not take off her top in the scene we just mentioned.
She would be known to Star Trek fans for her role as Tasha Yar's sister on one episode ofStar Trek The Next Generation.
Is that the flashback to like her home planet?
There's some of that.

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It's after Tasha Yar dies, her sister comes on the Enterprise and there's...
post-Skin of Evil.
Yes.
Yes, it is post-Skin of Evil.
And I should also mention she has some fantastic 80s hair, both in that episode and inthis movie.
I've got to think that this movie satisfied your lust for 80s hair, Chris.

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There's no question.
There's no question this movie definitely had the 80s hair thing covered.
Delivered the goods.
Yes.
It delivered 80s hair like full, she delivers eyeball gore.
It's true.
I can't say it doesn't appeal.
It's the truth.
I am honest about myself and the kind of hair that I'm into.

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Like many of the films we've discussed so far in this series, we open with a flashback.
But rather than being a few years earlier or even a few decades earlier,
this flashback is set in the 10th century, or at least that's what the caption tells us.
And honestly, I was really excited for the idea of seeing some cool Viking shit.

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And what we get is a very tight shot of a Viking longboat.
You can tell, cause it's got that head at the front landing somewhere.
And then a berserker warrior pops out of it and kind of growls and is, you know, it's all,and that's it.
That's the sum total of the 10th century.
there's some, some talky talk over the airwaves.

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the zerkers were the worst and all that need to paint the picture though, for those of youwho have not seen berserker of what this I'm sure historically accurate depiction of
berserker is.
like essentially brown lunch sack underwear, some kind of leatherette.

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belt and then like an X strap going across your oiled bear chest.
And then a weird mask type thing, but Nordic style, not Jason.
It's a bear's snout mask, know, cause it's a, it's, it's taken their, their Rob in a fewminutes, I'm going to get into, have, I have whole thing on the history of the berserkers.

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did, went well, did.
And Chris, I also know that toward the end of this thing, I already know, and we have nottalked about this ahead of time.
Chris is going to have some problems with the berserker lore and the bear and all of that.
Yeah.
But I want to just load up for bear myself and say that week nine episode nine of a seriesis usually when I have, I just completely lose my mind.

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Let's face it.
It's the end of a trend.
And usually these are the films that kill a trend.
Right.
And I'm not saying
that that's not the case with Berserker and Twisted Nightmare.
But let me tell you, I enjoyed the hell out of these things.
I cannot tell you why they're so crazy though.
they are insane.
think I honestly think they're far enough from the Friday the 13th slasher formula.

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That's it.
It's just like it actually feels refreshing.
They're crazy.
But it is somewhat refreshing.
I'm like, I'm not watching.
even though these kids are gonna be, you know, I both of them, it's kind of camping.
yeah, yeah, they're both, one's at a camp and the other, they are out camping in the,they're both at campgrounds, ostensibly.
Yeah.
Yeah, I should, say, so I have, I wanna talk for a minute about berserkers, becauseberserkers were a real thing.

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Berserkers were kind of Norse warrior that did, by historical accounts, dress in the skinof a bear.
In fact, the old Norse word,
Berserk means bear shirt.
And these warriors, yes, these warriors were reported to go on fierce fits of frenzyduring which time they were immune to the effects of fire and steel.

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If you can believe that.
After watching this movie, I totally can believe that.
Absolutely.
And to go berserk was to hamask or to change form.
In this case, a state of wild fury, which some believe the warrior would literally shapeshift into a bear.
And the English word berserk, meaning furiously violent, came from the Norse berserkers.

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So I don't know about you guys, but I, this sounds awesome.
Some dude dressed in a bear skin, running around the woods, killing people.
Guys, that's cinema.
And not just the skin, like the skin of an actual bear, but this bear mask that we havebeen talking about.
It is as if someone axed a muzzle and mouth off a bear.
Right.
And then they just strapped it over their own mouth, which, you know, not so hygienic, butno can strike fear into the hearts of your enemies.

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Indeed.
Indeed.
Imagine being some, some monk at some, you know, in some, monastery by the sea in,Northern England in, you know, the 10 hundreds.
And all of sudden you got a bunch of bear people jumping out of a boat.
Holy shit.
would scare the crap out of me for sure.
For sure.
Yeah.
Even if I was sweetly middle-aged, maybe a little older in a very loving relationship.

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Yeah.
So we, we, we have fun.
Maybe even then it would be very scary.
to, you know, from the, from the boat to the, what is the present day?
Although it doesn't actually tell me that, but I'm going to presume it's the present daywith an older couple.
know, it's the present.
And then at their campsite and the guy, Rob, the guy is cosplaying Henry Fonda in ongolden pond.

(12:44):
Yes.
Exactly.
Unmistakable.
And they have this conversation between them about how they've been coming there for 40years and.
how they've changed but not changed and they still love each other.
And I gotta be honest, Rob, I found it sort of genuinely sweet.
Like I really, I really like these two.
Yeah.
This is one where, again, we are getting very far from the Friday formula.

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Our backstory is a Nordic legend.
Yes.
And then we cut to, I guess this is a little more Friday three where you have the oldercouple.
Yeah.
Friday three, the prey.
It's a little bit, it's like a better version of the opening of the-
I think.
where they're getting, but you know, your victims and want the when and the why and thewhere have are all very far from something happened at a summer camp.

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And yes, know, yes, this is the strangest town in America.
They wander into the woods.
They instantly get lost.
They instantly get lost and then Edna starts to freak out and then they get attacked andthere's the shot where like the blood sprays across Edna's face.
And I swear to God, Rob, it looked like someone sprayed Hershey's chocolate syrup from oneof the bottles onto it came out like that.

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And then we have shots of a bear, a real bear intercut with the attack.
Was it the bear that attacked them?
Was it a berserker?
I mean, the movie's called Berserker.
It's not called the bear.
So, I mean, draw what conclusions that willed.
Yeah.
And you will keep redrawing them throughout.

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yeah, you see a lot of this bear.
This is the kind of movie that when a bear or bear shape-shifting berserker attackssomeone, you get an extreme closeup of a part of the person.
Yep.
And then like, a build a bear claw comes across the screen very fast and sometimes smearsher Hershey's syrup.

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Yeah.
That is, that is the level of this is not Tom Savini.
No.
No, but I should mention the bear, the other cast member of this, of this movie, Bart,bear who is known as the John Wayne of bear actors.
you going to tell me that this was this also a gentle Ben from grizzly Adams?

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don't know if he was in grizzly Adams, but he was also in the, the, John Jocano movie, thebear.
was in legends of the fall.
He was the titular yeah.
The Legend of the Fall, The Edge, White Fang.
This bear was the most prolific bear actor of the 1980s and 90s, Bart the Bear.

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And he is also in Berserker.
Apparently he cost the most of any of the cast.
There you go.
I mean, this bear would go on to fight Alec Baldwin, right?
For God's sake, this bear would fight Alec Baldwin.
This bear performed Mammot.
I just, I want to see this bear and Glen Gary Glen Ross.

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No, I want to see this bear in what sexual perverse.
Yeah.
Amazing.
so then, you know, so we have the, this couple get killed, establishing that there'ssomething out in these woods.
And then we're introduced to another group of young people headed out on the, into thewoods on vacation.

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And Rob, I don't know if it's me.
I've gotten, have I gotten older over the course of this series, but I swear to God, eachgroup gets more fucking obnoxious.
Well, there's one big exception here.
Larry Fishman.
Larry, Larry's the bookworm.
He's all right.
You know?

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Yeah.
I mean, he's reading books about the area they're going to the culture implications, thehistory of the economy, everything you want to know if you're in your twenties, going out
with your honey camping.
I would have been that guy.
Now I can get away with it because I'm a little older, but I would have been that guy.

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But he is counterbalanced by the one obnoxious guy, Josh.
Josh is the worst.
my God.
Josh Vinter can just go kick rocks, man.
He makes the guys from Edge of the Axe look affable.
Yes, yes.

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My my AD character breakdown for Josh is the Dick Driver who knows Pappy.
Yep.
Yep.
That's all you need to know.
You know, and again, those are the only two Josh, the a-hole and Larry, the bookworm areonly the only two.
really get personalities and they are headed off to an area called Rainbow Valley.

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They're like, goodbye smog.
And I'm like, dude, you guys are in a cleared skyed suburb.
Like it is it is.
perfectly fine.
What are you talking about?
Goodbye smog.
And the group heads up there to pick up truck with an ATV in the back.
And it was all set to a fun, if sort of generic eighties rock soundtrack.

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Teenage.
Yeah.
Teenage.
Exactly.
Yes.
And you know that Josh is a big honkin' asshole because he can't wait to get to thecampground to start drinking and smoking weed.
He's doing it while he's driving.
Come on, man.
That's not safe.
Though I will give Yash Vinter one bit of credit.

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He knows I was impressed that he knew who the historical Eric the Red was.
He may not have known a lot about him, but literally just that he knew of the existence ofEric the Red.
I suppose.
Yeah, I was surprised.
And then he went back to being exactly who he is for the rest of the film until until hisbig weepy moment.
Those big we at the end.
Yes.

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And that by that point, forget it.
So of course.
Now, of course, Josh throws a beer can out the window and of course a cop sees it andpulls them over.
The cop, Officer Walt Hill, is the first of two Harbinger characters in this movie.
And he takes notice of Larry's book on the area and he instantly recognizes it despite thefact that there's no name on the cover.

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What's that?
What's what?
head book.
it's a book about Rainbow Valley.
yeah, yeah, I know that book.
My cousin read it.
Says it's all about our ancestors.
Hey, you're welcome to have it.

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Have it.
You can have it.
No, that's all right.
My cousin got a cop.
Well, that's great, officer.
So, what seems to be the crime?
Your kids been drinking?
No, no, no, sir.
No, sir.
No, I suppose that beer can just flew out his window all by itself about five miles backdown the road.

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Like it's just, you know, Hey, that's the, know this book, you know, he's cause he'sconcerned about the ancestors, Chris.
Although he won't, he won't tell a story about a wide mouth frog though.
But he looked like I kind of felt like maybe he could.
He could.
Apparently, the Rainbow Valley is known as Little Norway on account of, well, theNorwegian people, which would generally mean that this movie is likely to take place

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somewhere in the upper Midwest, although the film was actually shot in Utah.
And the cop lets him go.
Josh gives a good apology.
And if you think this experience would make him any less of an a-hole, you are wrong,because he is an entitled little shit.
He doesn't even stop to check in at the campsite.
He just barrels on through saying, knows the place because he knows Pappy.

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practically owns the place.
Yeah.
And when he finally meets Pappy, well, Pappy doesn't seem to know him.
Yeah.
He's forced to stop by Pappy who's standing right in the middle of the road.
Pappy literally looks like he stepped out of a Heinrich Ibsen play.
Like he's Norwegian to the core.

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And Josh remembers Pappy, but Pappy claims to have no memory.
And despite the fact he doesn't have a reservation, Josh demands a specific cabin.
Well, we want the Sergeant, please.
You got a reservation?
No, I don't have a reservation.
never needed a reservation.
Why should I have enough?
Hey, listen, old man, I just drove 75 miles.
I've been coming here for years.
I'm hot, I'm tired.

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I don't want a campsite.
I want one now.
I mean, this guy, this guy's an asshole.
He wants the sergeant's place, not the Miller place.
Not the Miller place.
I don't know.
Apparently the sergeant cabin is already rented and it turns out it was rented to theolder people who were killed earlier.
But Pappy gives him the Miller place.
But driving up there, Josh says, fuck it.

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And he just goes to the sergeant's place being the only one in the truck who notices theknockdown sign.
Here's the thing, Rob.
Aside from Josh's childhood memories, there's nothing that makes the sergeant placespecial.
It's like a one room wooden box where they all sleep.
Like honestly, the Unabomber's cabin looked more comfortable, but they make such a bigdeal out of it.

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my God.
Yeah.
Josh is got some trauma, some past trauma connected with this camp and his memories of thesergeants.
Or actually, I guess this is the anti-trauma because nothing traumatic happened to him atcamp.
It's the reverse.
This is the one good thing in his life.
The one good place.
You know, we get into a whole thing with his dad, whatever, you know, he's such a jerkanyway.

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I mean, it's just like, you know, and, and, and, and as they drive off, we learned thatPappy did remember Josh and that he was an asshole as a kid too.
yeah.
Yeah.
In a classic talking to himself.
Classic classic, but you know what?
I buy it from Pappy.
Well, cause Pappy's a weirdo.
Yes.
I've referenced the bearded weird old guy that.

(22:50):
Yeah.
You, you with your highfalutin Ibsen references, I was like, is that the guy from like thefisherman's friend box?
it's rare that I get to make a Heinrich Ibsen reference.
So they get up there, they get up to the cabin, the, the, the, the Sergeant place.
And you know, we get our usual hanging out, swimming.

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they have the moment where they tease the girl taking her top off.
Two guys spray each other with beer while they're horsing around.
And what else is going on during this little montage sequence of being cool, Chris?
Well, well, tell us what is going on.
Cause you're a cool dude.

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You get, you got your BS and social side.
You're a cool dude.
A regular, regular guy.
Now know it's not regular.
could not for the life of me, the number of times I went back trying to hear that lyric.
my God.
will make sure that this, but the cool dude song made this entire film for me.

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Cause I all of a sudden, you want to talk about like this is one where it's definitely,we're going to be a little something for everyone.
This is going to be like a teen sex comedy too, but with no sex and no nudity and a bearand a berserker bear.
Berserk bear.
Yeah, and it's just, it's there having a good time and instead of the usual campfire tale,Larry reads from the history book he brought.

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And fortunately, thankfully, he happened to pick the chapter on berserkers.
When a berserk became too much for even their fellow Vikings to control, they would bekept in cages and fed raw meat.
human and other one.
When a raid was planned, they would be decaged, chained and placed in the bow of theViking boats.

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They would huddle down in their bare skin robes, waiting for the boats to land.
When the sound of the boat hitting the shore was heard, they would be released by theirhandlers.
They'd leap out of the boat in a howling frenzy, attacking any living thing in their path.
They would in a blood-lusting frenzy until they finally fell down.

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Only after the Berserkers had completed this first assault would the other warriors joinin the battle and now clean up operations, which included re-chaining their Berserkers,
who were often involved in eating their slaughtered prey.
It is believed by many persons of Viking heritage that Berserkers who ate human flesh cannever enjoy the forgiving peace of a restful death.

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They're forced to forever revisit the earth by possessing, possessing the body of a bloodrelative.
It is said that living humans who are direct descendants of the Berserk will always be indanger of being possessed by them.
So according to this book, Berserkers were cannibals.
I don't know if that's true in real life.

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And they can possess.
They can possess the descendants.
They can possess their own descendants.
I'm sorry.
Chris, please.
Yeah.
Persons of Viking heritage.
Persons of your correct person.
It's actually persons of Norse heritage.
Viking would mean a Raider.
It is an occupation.
Norse would be the upside.

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I just did that naturally.
My God, I don't know how anybody tolerates me.
It's amazing.
No, but okay.
No, because I, we are not listening to the clip live.
I wrote this note down.
He says Viking heritage though.
Does he?
wrong.
But I'm correcting him in, in, you know, for the
Just it, just check it.
Absolutely.
Yes.
following this, we have an extended scene.

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And I mean an extended scene of Pappy and Walt, the police officer from earlier, playingchess, because it turns out that our two harbingers are cousins.
And they have this long scene between the two.
A Viking heritage.
Viking heritage.
That was apparently improvised largely by the actors.
And on the one hand,

(27:10):
I like these actors and there's some fun bits.
I love the bit with the Pappy's very Scandinavian pronunciation of the name Vinter, butman, this scene goes on for a long time and we don't really learn anything other than that
they're cousins.
I would disagree.
At the top of this, there's an extended very, it feels like forever shot.

(27:35):
Long shot.
Of Pappy with his chess piece contemplating that chessboard.
He looks like he wants to fuck it.
I am just, I was like, Pappy, there is like some real sensual energy coming off that man.
Let me tell you when they cut his cousin was there.
like, skipped over the two dudes spraying beer on each other, which just had a whole, thatfelt like it had a connotation.

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They're just cool dudes.
yeah.
You're right.
You're right.
They're just cool.
What can I, just regular guys.
Yes.
So then we spend some time in the cabin.
which I mentioned earlier is basically a box.
Josh goes on this whole bit, has family used to come up there and it was the only time heconnected with his father.
And, the problem is that they made this guy such an a-hole that I don't care.

(28:24):
Like I don't give a shit, you know, it's, he's not even an interesting a-hole.
He's kind of dull.
And this is like on a dime where nothing has been really set up about this.
So it's just, we need him to be sympathetic in the scene.
So he is right.
Yeah, you know, not not really, but he does give us some very interesting informationabout the six years ago.

(28:45):
Yes.
Yes, that's true.
We tell he tells this whole story about how they stopped coming up there six years earlierbecause of a rumor that a girl was mauled by a bear.
And it was apparently more than just a rumor because the girl was found dead, although thecause of her death was in dispute.
And he says that right after that, his dad took off for good and.

(29:07):
What I found was so interesting is he said, you know, the rumor that a bear mauled thesick, girl, but it was a rumor turned out that they found the girl in the river all torn
up as if bear claws had ripped her apart, but it must've been the rocks of the river.
Now he doesn't use the bear claws bit, but I'm like the, the, the logic turn in this islike bear got her.

(29:33):
But they found her in the river all torn up.
clearly it couldn't have been a bear.
That must have been the rocks.
Must have been the rocks or maybe a fish.
But like, he's talking about how his dad, like this incident happened and then his dadleft.
And I'm thinking to myself, okay, okay Chris, how does this, the dad taking off connectwith the girl being killed?

(29:55):
Maybe by a bear, maybe not.
It feels like they're laying the groundwork for something.
Nope.
Was it really a berserker?
Well, that seems possible since the movie is called Berserker.
Was the dad possessed by the spear of the berserker?
No idea.
Why did the dad take off?
No idea.
Does any of this have any bearing on the actual story of the movie?

(30:19):
No idea.
Well, it's got a lot of bearing, Chris, on the story.
had to.
That was amazing.
That was great.
That was fantastic.
But yeah, this movie doesn't...
have red herrings so much as just, it's, it's, it's got spaghetti where it is.
It's just throwing stuff out.
What's the opposite of a red herring?

(30:40):
I know it's, it's probably the blue.
God.
So one of the girls leaves to go to the bath.
She leaves the cab to go to the bathroom and, and, and Shelly and Mike, the, one of theother couples, they look like they're going to do it.
Yep.
Like really, like they're going to have sex in this six foot by six foot box with fourother people in there.

(31:06):
And I'm like, you know, he might want some privacy, but they're distracted when Joshlights the most powerful match in human history.
He lights this match and it just, it is a blaring light that illuminates the whole cabin.
Like I've never seen a match with that much, with that much candle power.
Yeah.
It's like a five K match.

(31:28):
So.
So they go off into the woods to have sex, which, hey, know, hey, that's something.
And Mike and Shelly, they get on in the middle of the woods.
This other girl, Christy, is on her way back to the cabin and she's attacked.
Again, is it a bear?
Is it a berserker?
Unclear.
Unclear.
And this whole sequence of her being attacked is cross-cut by the couple having sex.

(31:52):
And it's weird.
Very weird.
Because oftentimes death can be a punishment.
for sex in movies, but it's rare that you get punished for somebody else's sexualactivity.
Yeah, it's also weird.
And this is just, I will, I'll pick the nets.
So this area is too small.

(32:14):
This is like a wide open.
There aren't, it's not forested.
No, there's a couple of groves of trees, but there's a lot of open space.
But it is wide open spaces and this place is not.
You don't get the impression that it's, it's super huge, right?
Imagine Utah.
So this lady, she's getting killed is screaming at the top of her lungs and they'reintercutting with the sex scene, right?

(32:38):
You got your sex and your death, but a, my mind does immediately go to, well, clearly theywould hear her.
One would think it's, it seems as if the cross cutting is trying to deal with this fact bywhen she screams, you cross cut.
the woman like doing like a moan moaning face during sex except no one on the sex side isdoing any screams like of pleasure.

(33:05):
I don't know if they were trying to be like, they're screaming at the same time and justF'd it up or if they didn't even think that and didn't think that they had to explain away
like these people just cross paths like literally like they it's not they didn't go threeshots ago.
No.
They saw each other three shots ago.

(33:26):
It's we're all continuous.
It is.
This is just perplexing.
and yet Chris also tantalizing because fascinating, fascinating.
There is something about it that is, and you know, not sex related, but just like theweird way this is intercut is so fascinating to me.
I'll just it really, it really is.

(33:48):
So meanwhile, so Mike and Shelley, they're sort of post-coital.
They stumble across the bodies of Harold and Edna from the opening scene and there's ascream and the three back at the cabin hear the scream and head into the woods.
They didn't hear the scream when the girl was actually getting killed.
They hear the scream when, they find the bodies.
So, but again, it speaks to your point of the area that this is happening is not that, youknow, sound would travel.

(34:16):
And then we get this long section of this movie where people are running or walkingthrough the woods trying to get back to the cabin.
And I swear to God, it takes forever.
You know why they can't get back?
They can't get back because of the damn fog.
It's too foggy.
It messed it Well, it is very foggy.

(34:37):
You know, it's funny because I want to talk about the lighting here for a second.
And we've had movies in this series, we've had a lot of night photography in this series.
A lot of the movies take place at night.
And we've had some incredible night photography from Mad Men, sorry, from Mad Man, JustBefore Dawn, The Final Terror is absolutely beautiful.

(34:59):
Berserker, which was shot on 16 millimeter, it looks as if there was a giant spotlightlighting up the whole area.
Yes.
And like,
Where in the world of the movie is this light coming from?
You don't get the sense that it's the moon because it's so damn foggy.
And at one point, like there's a wide shot of the woods and it looks like a fireworksdisplay just ended.

(35:23):
Like it looks like smoke.
I mean, like it's, it's crazy.
Cause you don't really even see, I don't remember seeing a shot of the full moon reallyuntil like almost the very end of the movie.
Right.
When it's trying to maybe imply something that it's not implying.
Right.
But we'll get to that.

(35:43):
Yes.
Yes.
But like, it's just like, where is this light coming from?
You know, as opposed again, I think of the final terror, which just has such exquisitenight photography and the way that's lit so you could see what you need to see.
But at the same time, it feels like night here just feels like the whole area is drownedby like this spotlight.
Someone set up a big spotlight and that's how we're going to light the thing.

(36:05):
And honestly, if I were to wager a guess, it's,
In general, and I don't know about the stocks that existed in 1987, so perhaps I'm wrong,but in general, you can get much faster stocks on 35 than you could on 16.
Sure.
So I could imagine that they, their work around was we can afford our one big light.

(36:27):
Let's just, you know, bathe the area in it.
So that way people could see what they need to see.
Yeah, that's yeah.
And I get it.
I get it.
you know, it's, it's.
And I wouldn't be asking these questions if other aspects of the movie were compelling.
That's the thing.
Yes.
And people get split up, they find each other, Shelley gets killed by the Berserker ormaybe the bear, I don't know.

(36:49):
And we cut away to Walt and Pappy who are getting worried.
Walt goes to search the Miller place and realizes nobody's there.
Pappy has the revelation that Josh went to the sergeant's place because he's a first classjerk.
And the
they find the bodies of Christie and Shelley, they decide to try and get back to the cabinonly for Josh to admit that they are lost.

(37:11):
And prefiguring the scene from Blair Witch Project where it's like, we've thrown away themap.
He's like, I'm lost, you know?
And I mean, I'll say this for Berserker, it does replicate the feeling of being lost andwalking endlessly through the woods, having no idea where you're going.
Like it does replicate that very successfully.

(37:31):
At one point the group sees the truck driving not far off.
I think it's Pappy's truck.
Do they run for it?
No, they just stand there waving and yelling like it's a cab and another one's going tocome along in a few minutes.
Like they're just going, okay, you know, you know.
And then Larry, trips over something I didn't see and hurts his leg.
Josh says that the leg's broken, but it is absolutely not because Larry would be in waymore pain if it was actually broken.

(38:00):
and later he's walking on it with help of a crunch and I'm like, no, no, no, it may beinjured, it ain't broken.
He wouldn't be getting up.
That's not happening.
So Mike realizes where they are and, that the cabin is only a two minute walk away.
So Mike and Kelly, they're going to go to the cabin and get the truck and get help.

(38:21):
And Josh stays with Larry.
That's the plan dudes.
If the cabin is a minute walk away, just
carry him.
Yes.
You know, just if you have to literally carry him for two minutes, you can do that.
But instead they stay there and, and Josh and Larry have this bonding moment where he sayshe doesn't mean anything by teasing Larry so much.

(38:44):
And honestly, the hell with that.
Josh is just still an asshole.
have no, you know, you know, they're trying to humanize them.
They're trying to have that, but forget it.
It's just this guy, this guy.
Yeah.
I might need you to realize that.
before you're about to be, you know, murder killed.
By a bear berserker or a bear.

(39:05):
Wear bear zirker.
Yes.
So Mike and Kelly, they get back to the cabin, they find Pappy's truck, but there's nosign of Pappy.
they find his, they do find his clothes.
And when Kelly asks where he is, Mike says, I'll give you three guesses.
And the first two don't count.

(39:26):
A.
Way to be glib in the face of very serious mortal danger.
Like people have died at this point and it turns out your guests would have been wronganyway, asshole.
Yeah.
Because I think by this point we have seen at some point.
Cause Pappy and the, know, sheriff guy or whatever out searching, we do see a shot of likethe night sky and then a naked Pappy sits up into frame.

(39:54):
Interesting.
Naked Pappy.
And then the next time we see him, he's got a shirt back on.
What kids are going to the movie for in 1987.
got to bring it.
You got to bring it.
so they try to get the truck beard, baby.
Try to get the truck started and why the battery is dead.
Why is the battery dead, Rob?

(40:16):
wait.
I was mixing movies.
I was about to say sugar in the gas tank, but it's not sugar in the gas tank.
It's because Josh left the radio on.
Unbelievable.
You can't fault him for that.
He's a cool dude.
He did his tunes.
He's a cool dude.

(40:37):
Well, he's spraying beer on his buddy.
Josh, starts talking about, and I quote, all this berserker shit.
But what is the thing, Rob?
How do they know it's a berserker that's after them?
I mean, yeah, Larry read the part in the book, but why would you think that a berserkerwas out there rather than some garden variety maniac or something?

(41:00):
I know it's a berserker cause that's the name of the movie, but they don't know the nameof the movie cause they're in the movie.
know this is a case of characters behaving as if they have also been watching the film.
Yes.
Yes.
Yeah.
Or as we call it in the industry, a silent night, deadly night too.

(41:23):
Finally, the berserker does show up and attacks them.
Josh gets mauled while Larry just kind of sits there and cower as Bart the bear shows upto fight the berserker.
Yes.
Rob, Bart the bear is Dr.
Loomis to the berserkers Michael Myers.
I have written down a where berserker versus where bear and.

(41:47):
Yeah, I mean, like because and I will say this is an extended fight sequence.
Yeah.
Between the berserker and the bear.
And it's amazing because as much as I didn't like I found this really kind ofdisappointing.
But I swear to God, you have a real guy fighting a real fucking bear.
And that is not nothing.

(42:08):
No.
Like that's no digital bear.
That's a bear.
Which I think makes this the Swiss family Robinson of 80s slasher films.
for sure.
This is two dogs fighting a tiger all over again, Chris.
Absolutely.
And you Larry off the side saying, yeah, come on bear.
And it's at this point that I know, and I think you have already, you're already therewith me.

(42:33):
I'm like, Pappy's the web berserker.
Right.
Clearly his cousin.
is aware bear of goodness trying to stop his cousin.
my God.
didn't get that at all.
That's brilliant.
This mystical were bear has been stalking the whole time.
The whole time.
That makes perfect sense.

(42:54):
clearly his cousin trying to protect everyone from Pappy's were berserker-ness.
That's you just made the movie much better.
Yeah.
Except what I just said, it can't be possible.
Because, we see in the truck while the bear fights happening or certainly close enough.
Yeah.

(43:15):
Yeah.
So, the bear wins the fight, the berserker runs off and then the bear takes off.
And then in the next morning, Mike meets up with Walt and they go to the cabin where hisLarry is merging from the woods, like with a homemade splint and a stick.
And again, if the leg was actually broken, he wouldn't be walking on it the next day, evenwith assistance.

(43:36):
but the Berserker emerges from the wood at the same time.
And at Kelly's insistence, the officer Walt shoots the Berserker dead.
And also it turns out that Josh is still alive, which is a bummer.
And in the final shot of the movie, we see the body of the Berserker and the bear snoutmask fade away and we see Pappy's face.

(44:03):
So, then, you know, credits roll over a song called prisoner of rock and roll.
Cause why not?
They never explained, they never explained who the bear was.
So is this bear just secret?
It's a regular bear that hates all berserkers.
I think he's an anti berserker bear.
Okay.
I don't think he's aware bear.
I think he's just an anti berserker bear.

(44:26):
Maybe trained for that purpose.
Yeah.
If he was, if he was aware bear, he'd have to be meditating, but I'm bump.
So in any event, mean, there's just like, there's not really any Norse myth here.
It's just, wanted a guy to bear costume.
Yeah.
And it's, it's weird that they're incorporating this kind of like mystical, you know, oran attempt at mystical Nordic possession, right?

(44:53):
Yeah.
And they're giving a lore related to it, but there's no lore related to
why they come out or how to stop them.
It's just, yeah, just have Walt shoot them.
Yeah.
I said, mean, it could be anybody.
It could be just some guy in a, then there's the fit.
Like it's not, it's not like, yeah, we got to use the sacred dagger from the, you know,the, the, the, something from the, the, the, the motherland.

(45:21):
It's no, it's just a, you know, got them down.
That's, that's it.
It is interesting.
I mean, we're clearly in the supernatural realm.
We've been knocking on that supernatural door for several weeks.
you know, Satan's Satan's blade had a supernatural element to it.
Madman feels very maybe maybe body count.
don't I still don't know about the shaman.

(45:42):
That's still I'm still thinking about that.
But like here, we're very explicitly supernatural, which is going to carry over the nextfilm.
And it's interesting because the slasher movie cycle of the 80s
You, one of the watersheds and we will talk about this in a future series is nightmare onElm Street, which sort of introduces that supernatural element.
And you start to get a lot of supernatural slashers coming in that wake.

(46:06):
So it feels like this is, you know, we're, now in the supernatural era, even though thisis sort of firmly in the, Friday the 13th tradition, cause it's, you know, going to a camp
kind of thing.
and we said this in the Halloween series that, you have your first wave of slashers postHalloween.
And then once Friday the 13th hits every slasher movie thereafter in the States, it's,taking from both Halloween and Friday.

(46:32):
And it's just kind of which percentages are which.
And I think you get that also post nightmare and Elm street.
Yeah.
Nightmare and Elm street is the third heat, you know, that's the, is, know, and then, youknow, it's like, it's drawing from all three, which is interesting here because it has,
it's trying to have kind of supernatural lore like Freddie, except it doesn't give a realmotivation.

(46:53):
Nope.
It doesn't give a how to stop, you know, the weakness and also as part of that, you know,the, lack of motivation and the lack of there's a specific way to stop him, which is feels
very connected to Freddie supernaturalism.
Although in the first one, they don't have the how to stop them part, but well, I guessshe gets, reads the dream book, but yeah, the, this one feels like this is where you get

(47:17):
the weird mishmash where it took the supernatural Freddie kind of idea.
But then it didn't realize that when you take that, you need other elements of lore.
This one just said, well, we're a slasher movie, so you can stop the lore there.
But it does feel incomplete.
And that supernatural element is going to carry over to our second film today, whichagain, we paired together and turns out was a really, really apt pairing.

(47:47):
From 1988, this is Twisted Nightmare.
Man.
It has remained.

(48:21):
Twisted Nightmare was written and directed by Paul Hunt, who like Jefferson Richard, had along career in film in a variety of capacities.
The film stars Rhonda Gray, Cleve Hall, Brad Bartram, Robert Padilla, and noble kidChisel.
And like Berserker, Twisted Nightmare revolves around an ancient spirit of some kind thatseems to possess people, but here the folklore is Native American.

(48:50):
I say folklore, I'm not sure how real the folklore is, but that's what they're sort ofgoing with.
You know, it's, it's, we start off with this voiceover, this very strange voiceover.
hear a voice talking about an ancient power, an evil that remains unchanged through thecenturies, along with shots of a farm.

(49:14):
And then we go into, have this music that sounds vaguely like the score from Dune.
It's like a knockoff of the Dune score.
And then an image of a Native American who helpfully introduces himself as Thunderfire,which is a fantastic name.
I am Thunderfire.
Behold my power.

(49:40):
I speak the ancient tongue of darkness and a demon spirit.
Go through my veins!
He said I

(50:11):
The soul will always cast the shadow of death.
But...
And then the image changes to a woman and then a man.

(50:31):
And then we cut to Laura waking up from this apparent dream.
I did something that Rob has done previously is where you do the thumbnail characterthings, because I could not keep the people in this movie straight.
Laura has what I would describe as Meg Foster blue eyes.
They are some very sharp blue eyes.
And she wakes up.

(50:52):
This is apparently a dream she's having.
Next to her bed is an invitation, which reads,
You have won a free weekend at Camp Paradise.
And that's literally all it says.
No date, no time.
Nothing.
You know, like all, you know, we don't see what it says on the back.
just says, give us your social security number and your mother's maiden name.

(51:13):
You know, come on up.
And again, this film revolves around this group of friends.
And I, I use that word loosely because they don't really seem to like each other verymuch.
who are invited to a reunion at the summer camp they all used to attend.
Now, Rob, we learned that it's been two years since they were all last there, buteverybody looks like they're 35.

(51:38):
Yes.
It doesn't look like they're kids.
It's not an uninteresting concept.
There's like a vaguely Agatha Christie vibe to this.
Although I'm not sure the film really lives up to that, but the premise has that.
Yeah.
I mean, we've seen enough slasher movies that when you get the invitation to the old timeyreunion place, don't go.

(51:59):
but that being said, you know, there is something, this movie has a genesee qua Chris forme.
It does.
is, you know, the, it is so loving and it's sleaziness when it comes to all the sex stuff.
Yes, it is.
But at the same time, like,

(52:23):
There are very good for me or interesting visual moments in this film.
There are shots.
I don't think it's consistently there, this move, this is, think the first where I had,know, at times like this movie has chiaroscuro lighting.

(52:43):
I mean, it's crazy to me.
It's very foggy here too.
I'll tell you that.
Well, I did it.
It also won.
it was a co-winner of the best fog 1987 time that yeah, 1987 first and only time.
Yes.
but this movie is so crazy.
You know, the, the, bad guy, when you see him as like the zombie leather face, I guesshe's messed up who is technically the embodiment of some sort of native American magic.

(53:13):
that makes no sense to me and I'm sure is not real.
get that.
I, yeah, we'll, we'll get to that, but I didn't get that.
And it really makes no sense.
Once you find out who zombie leather face truly is.
None, none of no sense.
None, none whatsoever.
No, this isn't even like Satan's blade where you're like, well, there's magic blade aroundthat possesses you with stuff.
Evil, evil Excalibur comes out of the lake.

(53:35):
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
No, it's so
From here, we have this sequence with this group of people getting ready to go to the campreunion.
And there's a lot of people.
So I am going to do what Rob often does.
I'm going to give my thumbnail notes.
So we have Laura who with Meg Foster blue eyes, and she's got a boyfriend who was not partof that original group.

(53:57):
She's got a new boyfriend.
We're going to meet in a little while.
Sean, who is who, who she describes as, you know, she took, it took six months to get him.
That's a weird way to describe it.
It feels like he's a mail order boyfriend when he say, it took six months to get him.
Cause he was coming from overseas.
He was on back order.
Yes.
Yeah.
Exactly.
So after Laura, we have guitar guy and lady with bird horny weapons guy and horny blondelady.

(54:25):
I'm going to come back to the horny weapons guy in a second.
Affable black couple with a timely club med reference and horny blonde couple who quote,
likes it rough.
And then we have Mustachio Jackass and his doormat girlfriend.

(55:03):
He is literally drinking a can of Budweiser at the beginning of his eight hour drive.
This is something that both of this week's feature an asshole who drinks while driving.
And he pulls over to pick up a hitchhiker his girlfriend requests, and then he throws thebeer can at him and pulls away.
This guy, he might top Josh Vinter in the jerk department.

(55:24):
I think so.
He's got a hell of a mustache as well.
yeah.
It's something to start with these little vignettes with the characters.
This is one where it feels that it is at least slightly in the Friday the 13th mold oftrying to do those in the beginning.
feels a little more slice of life, right?
Where it's yes.
They're just having conversations, a slice of whose life I don't know, but a slice ofsomeone's life.

(55:50):
This is what is being attempted, but that
level of interaction and dialogue will soon be broomed away in favor of literally everycharacter to Laura's face or to Sean Laura's boyfriend's face just going, yeah, her
brother died up here.

(56:10):
She just talk about that.
I want to talk about that weather.
It's amazing.
Her dead brother.
It's amazing.
mean like everyone, everyone, there's no question.
No, I do.
have to go back to the weapons guy.
The weapons guy is bringing some weapons with him.
He is bringing a rifle, a handgun, a crossbow, and a pair of nunchucks.

(56:42):
I know.
Rob, we never get to see him use the nun chucks.
What is happening?
Famed playwright Anton Chekhov once said, don't introduce nun chucks in the first act.

(57:04):
If you're not going to use them in the third act, is an actual list.
Our listeners think that, it's all bad.
is Chekhov's crossbow.
I will just say,
Well, yes, the crossbow gets used, but the crossbow.
No, it's a crossbow, right?
It's a crossbow.
It's a crossbow.
It's like, it's one with the trigger.
Yeah.
It's, So you do get checkouts crossbow.

(57:25):
mean, you know, but I, none trucks in an eighties film, particularly not going off is thatis, I believe they call it an own goal.
Yeah.
It's a red card.
It's a red card right there.
You know, it's a, so.
There's one more couple who drive up, they pass by Kane the caretaker as they arrive andthe girl reminisces about the time her boyfriend locked her in the sauna and stole her

(57:51):
clothes.
And they just kind of laugh that off.
Again, this is another movie that doesn't really seem to think that highly of women.
And when they stop and get out of the car, that guy's shirt, by the way, is literally opento his eyes.
Like I know it's the eighties, but geez.
I mean, I think even though it's not in this movie, he's a cool dude.

(58:13):
He's a cool dude.
He's cool dude.
He's just a regular, regular guy.
Regular, regular.
So very prominent at this camp, which doesn't really look like a camp.
It's like a house and then a barn.
And I'm saying to myself, I'm sitting here, Rob, and I'm like, that barn looks reallyfamiliar.
Man, that barn, I know that barn, man.

(58:35):
And did did you Airbnb that over spring break?
Maybe I couldn't be.
did.
Maybe during fall break, would, I would have Airbnb to bar, but like, I'm like this barn,looks like the barn from Friday the 13th part three.
So I stopped the movie to look it up.

(58:55):
Rob.
It was the barn from Friday the 13th part three.
was shot on the same set.
The value is that motion picture ranch in Santa Clarita, California.
Same bar.
Yeah.
Amazing.
And let me just say during the four, four years, right?
Between the Friday, the third, the shot in about 85.

(59:17):
Yeah.
It's three or four years between the shooting of the two.
I'm fairly certain because it looks pretty, but I think the, the, barn, had a drinkingproblem.
it got real into Coke cause this barn looks.
terrible only four years later.
Did they just like strip all of the paint off and paint it with like feces?

(59:37):
Cause that's what it looks like.
It goes to show how great the set deck was for Friday, 13th, part three.
that, know, like it, cause that part looked amazing and there's all this stuff in it here.
It's like empty and dark.
I get why everyone walked into the barn and Friday three to get murdered.
Yes.
I don't get why anyone would ever step.

(59:58):
foot in this barn.
It just looks like, well, would you like to come inside and be murdered?
Well, okay.
That way she's a little, she's a little, I love that she is both very sweet and loving ofkittens and also like, let's steal like, All Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So, so we have shots of Kane, the caretaker lock in the gate.

(01:00:22):
when Laura and her new boyfriend, Sean arrive,
He mentions that they had to walk the last three miles because the gate was locked.
And Rob, I'm going to tell you straight out.
If I got somewhere and the gate was locked and I had to walk three miles to get to mydestination, I'm going home.

(01:00:43):
Like I'm just going home.
I'm not doing that.
Come on.
Like get real.
I also want to mention that all the guys in this movie,
look like they narrowly missed out on a role as a Cobra Kai in the Karate Kid.
Totally.
All of them.
So there's this party at the camp and here's my question about the party.
Is the party going on?

(01:01:04):
And here's my question.
Why is nobody asking questions?
Like who invited them?
Why is nobody asking that?
Who provided the beer that they're drinking?
Who set everything up?
Like there's some talk about what happened two years earlier with Laura's brother.
They initially don't get into the details other than it was an accident and he died.

(01:01:25):
And everybody wants to talk about it, but nobody gives the details.
And I'm just like, why is nobody asking who is behind all of this?
It's so strange that nobody's having that conversation.
yes, yes.
I, you know, I'm not even sure that they're having conversations at this point.
This is.

(01:01:46):
You know, it is an art to deliver exposition through dialogue.
and also an art to deliver exposition through dialogue is in your performance.
And I, it's the same thing over and over though, like literally the same thing.
Well, listen, I'm gonna go say hi to everybody, so I'll be right back, okay?

(01:02:10):
I don't understand.
How come she came back here after what happened to her brother?
You look good.
Thank What happened to her brother?
She didn't tell you?
Hi, how are you?
It was an accident.
It was an arc call.
Shawn, maybe you ought to talk to Laura about that.
I guess so.

(01:02:30):
But I think the real reason they don't talk about it is because this is a cabin and partyare possessed by deadites because when the couple goes outside, holy shit is the light.
The lighting.
is like a spotlight has just been trained through the window and the light is shootingout.
Like it's the beginning of John Carpenter's the thing.

(01:02:51):
Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
It's amazing.
Like it's.
Well, that's the thing is, and this to me cemented it early ish in the movie where I'mlike, Paul hunt does not care about things looking natural.
He just wants those to look cool.
And that's fine.
Like that's yeah.
When you do it, I'm fine.
Yeah.

(01:03:11):
but I also think that not worrying about things being natural extends to other parts ofthe movie that, maybe it gets a little hurt.
Indeed.
Well, so the guitar bird owning couple, they go outside to make out a little bit and thegirl hears the sound of a cat and immediately she goes off and chases the sound of the

(01:03:32):
cat.
And where does she go?
She goes right into the murder bar and, and she finds the cats.
Her boyfriend is like, even her boyfriend points out, what about your birds?
Yes.
Like how, and she doesn't care.
She wants those cats.
And I he even says,
Cats eat birds.
think he might, he might even like, he's like, cause she's not responding.

(01:03:54):
So I think he actually says cats eat birds.
then they start to have sex in the murder barn cat layer.
but they're thrown out by Kane, the caretaker who tells them, stay out of the barn.
Don't touch the cats.
I need them for mousing.
Yes.
Although he yells, get out and I, and like practically I'm going to kill you a lot.

(01:04:17):
For a while, I thought he was the killer.
Yes.
And they are very slow to respond to his extremely aggressive requests.
Very, very aggressive.
Which is a theme this whole movie that no one believes Kane and which really should onlymake him angrier.
It's his place.
And then, you know what?

(01:04:39):
That warning is not stopping this cat covet her because she is going to sneak back intothe barn for the cat.
I'm like, seriously, lady.
just go buy a cat like in a rescue or God's sake, like it, like she's acting like theseare the only cats she's ever seen.
Now here is something I wonder in the, in the lore of the film.

(01:05:02):
Yes.
The world of films, if she had never gone back to steal that kitten,
would the rest of the murders have ever happened?
I'm not so sure.
I think so for sure.
Cause we will get them.
was all part of the master plan.
Yes.
But I mean that there's something very, cause there's two elements to that master plan andlike triggering the barn is like uncorking the, know, or opening Pandora's box.

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we say sure.
No, I'll buy that.
That's possible.
mean, they don't call it a murder barn for nothing.
Soon to be car wash murder.
Because you got everyone going in this thing.
So she goes in and and and she's she's she's the cat.
She's enraptured by the cats.
And then she's attacked.
But it's weird because she's just kind of pulled upward by some unseen force.

(01:05:58):
And I'm like, did the rapture just happen?
And if so, where is Mimi Rogers?
I don't know, like it's the weirdest thing.
And eventually her boyfriend, know, guitar playing boyfriend follows her and we see thatshe's been hung from the rafters.
And we get a glimpse of the killer, but he kind of just looks like a guy in a coat withsome glam rock hair.

(01:06:20):
Like, and he growls like a literal tiger.
He growls like a literal tiger.
Yeah.
Zombie leatherneck long legs at this point the film.
Yes.
I still haven't seen the long way that the long legs movie.
well, it's on my list.
It's on spoiler alert.
Big hair, big hair.
You know, it's fine.
I guess maybe maybe not big.

(01:06:41):
He's probably not using as much product as he needs to.
But it's the hair is a thing.
I will tell you that.
Well, that movie set in the 90s and this is from the 80s.
So it makes sense that the hair volume would have would have gone down a little bit.
And he puts up a fight, but the killer kills him.
We go back to the party where there's some weird tension between Laura and Julie.

(01:07:02):
Julie was the girl who was locked in the sauna, mainly surrounding her new boyfriend.
Like, it's all very weird.
What is this young gentleman's name?
I'm Sean Hager.
I'm Ken Reynolds.
Looks like you picked a good one.
If you can hang on to him.
I think I can.
And I don't need you to help me.
Yeah.

(01:07:23):
She is all in on who's this guy about, about, the new boyfriend, Sean.
And then she just straight up, straight up says, to Laura, well, let's see if you can keepher.
She's on the prowl, even though she also has a guy with her.
Yeah.
She's also got a guy, but you know, who knows?

(01:07:45):
so like there's all bit where they pick the cabins where everybody's going to sleep, likethe bedrooms, there's only one cabin.
And everybody wants that because they want the privacy.
But Rob, here's the thing.
They're not kids go in a camp where it's like, this is the rare chance to be away fromparents and like have, you know, like all these people are grown up.

(01:08:06):
have homes and apartments.
Why do need to get it on at the camp?
Yeah.
And I, this is another great pairing of the two movies.
One room yet many couples who want to bone problem is specific to both of these films in away that is not a problem in any other slasher movie.
No, I mean, it's just so the horny couple who likes it rough, they win that they win thecabin and makes mustachioed a hole super angry.

(01:08:34):
Yeah.
And is this the part where he yells at everyone and also says, Laura, I hated your deadbrother to a little fuck on the cabin and we're stuck in the corner.
I'm not going for that shit at all.
Come on, there's nothing we can do.
Bullshit, I'll kick his fucking ass.
You having fun, Dean?
Yeah, sure.
Fuck you guys.
You're all a bunch of assholes.

(01:08:54):
We're leaving in the morning.
You're an asshole too, Lauren.
I never liked your fucking brother either.
But the cabin, for all the jockeying for it, has a twin bed in it.
Yeah.
Like it's like, I don't know.
And of course the girl gets naked right in front of the window.
want to call this out as this is such a loving sequence because you you start getting thenecocity.

(01:09:22):
it's, upside down reflecting in the water outside the cabin.
You know, as, as the stripping is happening, get to get ready for the sex and then youmove into the cabin.
But I was like, that was a damn good shot.
Like just for like a, like a, just director perspective could have been a non naked personin that shot.
It still would have been good.
This guy, this director loves his nudity.

(01:09:44):
He's, he's going, he's going all in on it.
And I will say clearly in ass man, cause there is a, there's a lot of loving, loving shotsof butts, both in sexual and non-sexual situations, not clothed and fully clothed.
Exactly.
Exactly.
Laura, for her part, is she is taken to lighting these black and orange candles in herroom, and she's making her new boyfriend, Sean, promise to do everything with her.

(01:10:18):
And I'll say it, she is giving off some really strong Muffy in April Fool's Day vibes.
Real strong.
yes.
At this point, the movie has just decided
no red herrings.
Why?
What if we just told you, but we pretended that we didn't for like half of a movie.

(01:10:40):
That is exactly it.
Exactly.
Like we're going to tell you here's who's behind it.
And then we're just going to ignore the fact that we told you.
Yeah.
It's like that last year when you realized Santa wasn't real, but you didn't, maybe youdidn't say anything and your parents kind of know that, know, we're all going to play
along.
Yeah.
That's, don't remember this movie.

(01:11:02):
I didn't either cause I was a little jerk.
As soon as I found out, I was like, I'm smart.
I figured it out.
I the opposite.
never, I took me much longer to figure it out.
No, it was like I'd split the motherfucking Adam.
Chris.
was like, I, I discovered radiation.
no one was going to get anything past me.

(01:11:22):
I knew.
And that's how I felt watching twisted type.
I know.
I know who the killer is.
I got this on lockdown.
Meanwhile, mustachioed a hole.
He has a freak out about sleeping arrangements and he's sleeping on the floor.
like, my back can't do this.
And then he, you know, this whole thing.
God damn, this is just too much to bear.

(01:11:44):
This floor is so cold.
My ass is numb.
Your ass is numb because that's where all the beer is settling.
Hey, fuck you, Miss Perfect.
You know, my back is bad.
baby.
Look, there's a cot over there.
Why don't you just go sleep on that?
I'll sleep on the floor.
Okay.
Hey, don't ever call me a pussy.

(01:12:13):
What the hell's going on out here?
Nothing, asshole.
What did you say?
Nothing, tack.
All right, just go back to bed, please.
Yeah, why don't you just go off to bed, He's like, don't ever call me a pussy.
Dude, she didn't.
Like you're the one who's throwing around furniture in your tidy whitey.
So like what is up?

(01:12:33):
This is my favorite part when his long suffering girlfriend, fine.
I know your back's bad.
You can take the cot and then he just gets up in a rage and then the cot and throws itlike this this poor girl and this guy got to break the cookie.
You got, she gave you the cookie.
Don't break the cookie.

(01:12:54):
Come on.
Come on.
And then, you know, like, and by the way, the mustachioed a-hole decides to leave.
And despite the fact that people had to park three miles away, his car is right outsidethe house.
Like, he just gets in it and goes.
It's like, okay.
So everybody else decides to go hiking in variously different directions, presumably sothe killer can track them down one by one more easily.

(01:13:18):
And nobody seems to give a shit that the kitty-coveter and her boyfriend are nowhere to befound.
Ken and Julie?
stay behind at the house.
Ken and Julie, they, are implying they're going to have sex, but Ken instead decides hewants to learn more about the circumstances of Laura's brother's death.
Why?
I don't know.

(01:13:39):
but he decides he's going to go talk to Kane about that.
Well, I mean, that's pretty well motivated.
mean, whenever you go to a new area or a not new area, you want to know like the historyof the economy, you want the local lore.
It's just what people do, Chris.
The mysteries that abound in that and what happened two years earlier with the brother of,you So for her part, Julie decides she's going to go into the murder barn kitten sanctuary

(01:14:07):
and she walks in.
Now, admittedly, this barn is dark, but you can see guitar guy's body pinned up againstthe wall, like right next to the door.
And I don't know about you, but like I...
Even a fairly dark barn, I would know if I walked within six inches of a dead body.
I would know.
But this is a world without peripheral vision.

(01:14:30):
This whole movie is there's no peripheral vision.
Yeah, eventually she sees kitten girl's body hanging from the rafters and sheappropriately freaks out.
And she does, again, appropriately the most sensible thing I think anybody does in thiswhole movie.
She calls the sheriff.
Unfortunately,

(01:14:51):
The Sheriff is in an entirely different movie.
Yes.
I don't know what movie that is, but it's a different one.
So to set this scene, we don't even know that she's the one.
We just see this group of people.
It's these three people.
The Sheriff is working under the car.
You don't know he's the Sheriff yet.
He's just a guy working under a car.
There's another guy reading and asking the Sheriff if he's read about King Arthur.

(01:15:13):
And the Sheriff replies he only reads the Bible.
The legend.
King Arthur.
It's the legend.
It's the legend of King Arthur.
And then there's this girl who I think is the sheriff's granddaughter and she's sitting inthe car behind the steering wheel pretending to drive the car.
Now she looks like she's like a teenager, you know, but she is pretending to drive the waya toddler would.

(01:15:41):
Yes.
Moving the steering wheel back and forth.
She is rubriced in dirty rotten scoundrels.
Yes.
my God.
And then the phone rings and the sheriff gets sprayed with oil.
He starts swearing like Yosemite Sam and his face is covered with oil.
When I say he's got oil on his face, it is covered like completely.

(01:16:07):
It looks, it looks like he just, you know, like
an oil rig, you know, he just tapped into an oil vein or something like that.
Yeah.
And he gets on the phone and he's talking to Julie.
And then, you know, at this point we've been with these three weirdos for a few minutesand we learned that he's the sheriff and he talks to Julie for a few minutes before the
phone is cut off.

(01:16:28):
But it's like this weird interlude and I don't, I it's amazing.
It's amazing, but I don't know what movie it is.
And I am
I was left with the impression that like later when we see this guy investigating, I waskind of shocked.
was left with the impression that nothing was going to change after this.
Yeah, no, that's nothing.

(01:16:50):
And I wasn't wrong either, but you do see this guy again.
does show up.
does show up.
It's a Julie.
She wants the phone is cut off.
She heads outside.
She is quickly killed.
she tries to get in the car and leave, but she's quickly killed.
And it's around this point we learned that the mustachioed a-hole was prevented fromleaving because of sugar in his gas tank.

(01:17:10):
He had the sugar in the gas tank, Rob.
so he has to walk all the way back to camp.
Yep.
I think, I would have walked toward gasoline anywhere or a garage.
I would have walked towards anywhere.
would have gotten, yeah.
Honestly, a diner camp that's going to help.
Yeah.
Nothing.
No, why do you want to go back there?

(01:17:32):
You can't even sleep on the cot because you broke that, you jerk.
And he's got a shotgun in the back of the car because everybody in this movie is armed forwhatever reason.
Then Sean and the Nunchuck guy are out hunting.
And first of all, I want to point out that they're complaining about how hot it is, butthey're wearing these heavy jackets like it's fall or winter.

(01:17:54):
Yes.
And this is where the Nunchuck guy tells the story.
of what happened to Laura's brother Matthew.
So it's flashback time.
And Rob, this flashback is a doozy.
This is this is incredible.
So apparently all these people kept going to camp every summer, even after they got out ofhigh school.

(01:18:18):
That's weird.
And Laura's brother Matthew was developmentally disabled.
And basically he gets teased by all these people.
He's teased by the guys.
He's teased by the girls.
It's something.
You do like girls, don't you, Matt?

(01:18:40):
You're an animal, Hey, look.
Matthew's over there, hogging up all the women.
Matt, did you want to go inside and play doctor?
Hey, Matt, keep your paws off Sherry, huh?
Look, Matt, if me need help, just holler, okay, pal?
I'm here.
Screw you guys.
We're already engaged.

(01:19:08):
You're bad.
You're all, you're all bad.
Yeah, this is like prom night level of you all had it coming.
Like, yeah, like if I didn't like these people before, I hate them now.
Like it's, it's just, they're they're terrible.

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So Matthew runs off into the bar.
Now I want to know what your interpretation of this is because I am, I am struggling.
So inside the bar, I'm like the upper floor.
He sees this red light, but it's like, it's
It's not glowing.
It's not like a steady glow, a fire.
something was on fire.

(01:19:49):
It's pulsing.
It's pulsing.
It's it's it's flashing.
And Matthew starts to freak out.
And then he bursts into flames.
He literally bursts out of the barn in flames, a full.
It's like, get me another the burning.
And Laura sees this.
She's screaming in sort of slow motion.

(01:20:11):
it's.
What happened?
What it was.
What, there, there's some, some key things left out of the sequence.
Chris, when, when you have that pulsating red light in the barn, that's mesmerizingMatthew, he screams.
then we got like a 1950s sci-fi movie sound effect of like, then like you're tilting the,I think it's Dutching the angle a little bit and you're, I swear to God, I'm like, he's

(01:20:41):
entered.
He's getting hypnotized brainwashed in the IP Chris file in this one.
Yeah.
This is like the possession happening or something.
And then, yeah.
And then Laura's screaming in slow motion.
And I think her scream is like a dinosaur roar or something.
yeah.

(01:21:01):
It's, it's so I think the lore that we were kind of told about earlier is the glowing redlight.
Okay.
Okay.
Now
why that was in the barn or activated at this moment.
We have no idea because again, this is another one where the supernatural lore isincomplete, but I guess as an upside because of the cultural appropriation factor, it's

(01:21:26):
also slightly racist.
So that's a little different than the Nordic curse.
Yeah.
No, it makes no sense.
I can confirm for you.
You didn't miss something.
They just don't, they just don't have it.
And literally it's context cool as I might, you know, okay.
It's the, the native American legend from earlier.

(01:21:46):
Why that translates to this pulsing light in an attic barn and, how does Kane know aboutlike, what, what is the relationship with Kane other than he know, like is Kane just an
extra cranky Dr.
Loomis or does he have a personal connection?
It's really unclear.
Well, he has a personal connection.

(01:22:07):
get to that in a minute.
There's a little bit.
you're right.
You're right.
Yeah.
It's a, it's a family connection, family connection to like the old backstory, but not toMatthew and Laura and the ball.
no, no, no.
Like how, how the Indian legend, how the native American legend connects to Matthew andLaura.
have no idea.

(01:22:27):
No, it's, it's, it's missing pieces.
It's, it's, it would
be like if the prologue to Lord of the Rings talked about Sauron and then you just had aring show up in the MOT and like you had, you didn't know the Sauron made the ring.
there's a bad guy Sauron and then we have a ring and what, what they, how they, theyconnect.

(01:22:49):
have no look.
Gollum's doing crazy stuff now.
But what, what about Sauron?
How's this?
Yeah.
So, and I should mention that, you know, he bursts out of the, the bar, barn and flame,you know, getting full burn for that stunt man who was great effect.
And, and, yeah, no, it, that this was especially cause this feels like lower budget.

(01:23:10):
It was, it was great.
Yeah, no, but, apparently his body is never found.
That's that like, you know, clearly there's a parallel to Jason drowning in the lake, youknow, his bias, but then you're talking about child.
in a body, large body of water here.
You're talking about fully grown man on fire and you can't track him through the wall.

(01:23:32):
Like you can't follow him through the woods.
Like he's probably setting shit on fire as he goes.
Like how did he just disappear?
I, I don't know.
Should it should have gone to cropsies a that is the best medical care in the greater NewYork area.
Mike, this is five years of skin grafts.
Yes.

(01:23:52):
And they didn't take
and he's still got money to, for a prostitute.
I, it's amazing.
so Ken finds Kane and, and, and, and of course he's got a knife cause everybody's armed.
but, but, but Kane has a shotgun and he's quickly disarmed and then Ken takes off and hegets caught in a bear trap.

(01:24:12):
Yep.
and for his trouble, he's, his throat is slashed by the killer.
Yeah.
I will.
If I say anything about this movie that really give it credit, you have no idea at theoutset who's going to live or die.
doesn't telegraph the final girl or final person at all.
Yes.

(01:24:32):
However, I don't know that that is due to their expert plotting of like hiding the ball onthings.
And it might just be more like nothing is set up.
No, there's nothing.
Nothing.
So Laura returns from hiking with another girl, Jennifer.

(01:24:54):
Jennifer's going to make some cocktails, but she needs some ice.
And so she goes out to the ice house, which is very well marked.
My goodness.
Yeah.
Don't, don't go in that ice house.
Don't go in that ice house, but you're not going to mistake it for anything else becauseit says ice house.
on this in ice and huge letters.

(01:25:15):
And in that, in that American eighties ice, like logo font.
Yeah.
Like the official ice logo.
Like, yes, absolutely.
Man, that's a lot of ice for a camp with one house, one cabin, one barn.
Like, holy shit.
and of course Jennifer gets locked inside.
and when she tries to climb out the hatch in the ceiling, one of the bodies gets droppeddown on her and then the hatch is closed.

(01:25:39):
She's really trapped.
So it's like, shit, but Hey,
At least the killer's outside and you're inside.
So I guess that's something.
And that body is being preserved for the autopsy literally on ice.
for her part, Laura decides to take a shower, surrounded again by the orange and blackcandles.

(01:26:01):
She starts cutting her leg with a razor in the shower.
So, you know, something's up with her.
think, don't know.
Do you think something's up with her?
No, no, it's just, it's, is, she's no, it's no, I take it back.
said nothing was set up in this movie.
There's one thing that's set up that they pretend that they didn't set up.

(01:26:21):
The sheriff shows up for a little bit, but, you know, he doesn't really do anything.
Two other couples decide to go and hook up in the sauna.
one of them decides to go out there in the sauna and then decide to go outside to havesex, which was being freezing because they're in the sauna and then they're going out in
the night air.
That's.
That's not the best for your performance.

(01:26:41):
No, no, no, but, but it won't bother them for long because the killer does the good oldBay of blood fry the 13th part two, double impalement on that couple.
and then the other couple gets a more novel death as the killer burns the girl's face withthe hot rocks from the sauna.
And then she beats the guy and presses his face down too.

(01:27:04):
and you know, it's funny.
Like.
there are times when you can't see the killer's features at all because of all of thedarkness and fog.
But then there's other times where you could see his face very clearly and it doesn't looklike he has all the burns and scars that you see when you see him kind of fully at the end
of the film.

(01:27:25):
Like I found myself debating, it's like, wait, is that Kane after?
Like I really was confused about who the identity of the killer was because I'm like,
feel like I'm seeing more than I should in certain shots.
mean, there are times he looks like zombie leather face.
There are times that he looks like Robert Smith from The Cure.

(01:27:45):
Yeah.
And it's just, Yeah.
Yeah.
Nunchucks guy and Sean, they run into Cain in the woods.
And he delivers some helpful exposition.
His grandfather was a medicine man who was very angry that white people had stolen hisland.
And again, understandably so.
And so he put a curse on the land and mysterious deaths have been occurring ever since.

(01:28:08):
And yeah, on top of it all, Indian burial ground, because it was the eighties.
Yes.
Pulture geist had happened, Indian burial ground.
you know, Indian burial ground, man, that's all of America.
Let's just be honest about it.
That's America.
And then I presume the grandfather was thunder fire.

(01:28:29):
Like the Native American, we saw it at the beginning.
It's funny because in the beginning he's presented as pure evil rather than responding toa legitimate harm done to his people.
I don't know how that's supposed to square, but I'm guessing it's thunder fire.
think that, you know how when you rewrite something in a later scene, you're supposed togo back and match the script.

(01:28:52):
yeah.
No, that's a professional writers do that.
Yeah.
I think, I think that didn't happen here.
Yeah.
Okay.
Okay.
and again,
like the previous movie, have long periods of time where people are just wandering aroundin the dark.
And I think it's interesting because I actually think that it's telling that there's atemptation for horror filmmakers, particularly in this subgenre, to say, we could just

(01:29:19):
have people wandering around the woods for a while.
Nope.
But the truth is, if there's no agency or nothing to drive them, that can get stalereally, really fast.
And it happens at both of these
Yeah.
Well, and that's on the story level.
The other part of it is neither director today was technically proficient enough to createtension in a stalking sequence.

(01:29:40):
These movies are not scary.
Neither of these movies are scary.
No, there's no suspense whatsoever.
No, they may be entertaining in their way, but they're not frightening.
No.
And this one in particular has sequences where it seems as if it was built to befrightening, but it just isn't.
Right.
Right.
And Nunchucks, he eventually helps Jennifer get out of the ice house, but then is attackedfrom behind by the killer and is killed himself.

(01:30:07):
And again, upsettingly never gets to use his Nunchucks.
Did Pavel Chekhov teach us nothing?
Nuclear vessels.
Yes, the nuclear one.
And Alameda, but where's Alameda?
It's down Yash Vinter Avenue.

(01:30:28):
the sheriff's wandering around for a while.
He finds the bodies near the sauna before having his own encounter with the killer.
this is something.
This is the best thing in this movie.
It at the right time as well.
Yes.
I know I've been talking a lot of smack.
This shot alone makes this movie worth watching for me.

(01:30:50):
The killer literally pulls the sheriff's head off of his neck.
and drops it to the ground.
It is, it is fantastic.
I gotta say.
Yeah.
And you know, people talk about, know, a story point that, it, it, it put the whole moviein a new light for me or whatever.
And I like it better now.
And I'm like, that's what this head pulling off did.

(01:31:11):
I instantly, and I actually, had fun through this movie, but when that head came off, Iwas like, okay, yeah, you got me.
was something.
Then the mustachioed a hole.
He also meets the killer, who takes the gun and just breaks it in half.
And then the killer seems to summon a lightning bolt to electrocute him.

(01:31:32):
Yeah, sure does.
Yeah.
That's amazing.
Like that's a, we're clearly in supernatural territory here.
I don't know how that connects to Thunderfire, but it's, it is amazing.
And then, and then the fried mustache is girlfriend.
She's back at the cabin and the killer attacks her and Rob in a move very similar to onein the original Silent Night, Deadly Night.

(01:31:55):
She gets impaled on a set of antlers.
yeah.
Again, this feels like it is to this series.
There was one Giallo movie where it was the seven bloodstained orchids where it's like,the killers watched all the same Giallo movies that we've watched.
Here it's like the killers watched all the same slasher movies that we've seen over thecourse of both the Halloween series and this.

(01:32:21):
Learned none of the lessons.
None of the lessons.
I'm so mean.
So outside, Sean sees Laura being attacked by Kane and he shoots him.
And it's now that we learn that Sean learns that what the audience has already figuredout, that Laura has orchestrated this whole weekend to get revenge on the people who

(01:32:45):
tormented her brother, Matthew, and that he is in fact...
the hulking figure who is murdering people.
And Matthew shows up, Sean pumps him full of hot lead and stabs him with a pitchfork.
The handle of the pitchfork, Rob, just like the shot from Friday the 13th, part three,except without the 3D effect, but that doesn't stop the killer.

(01:33:07):
He impale, he pulls the pitchfork out, pales Sean with it.
And as this is happening, the girl from the ice house, Jennifer, she peers into the bar.
and screams, cause this is, you know, upsetting.
And that prompts Laura to command her brother to kill that bitch.

(01:33:27):
Yep.
Yep.
And then the still alive Kane, lights a match and thankfully the barn was used to storedrums of gasoline.
So blows the barn to smithereens, taking Laura, Matthew and himself with it.
Jennifer has a chance to escape.
She is our final girl.
I don't even remember when she was introduced, I have no idea, I just know she was thegirl from the ice house.

(01:33:50):
And then the final shot, Rob.
The image of the burning barn, but then it's replaced by a fully intact barn.
The evil spirit of Thunder Lips endures.
Or something, I don't know.
I don't know what it means.
just, I don't understand how the Native American lore connects to lore and her brother.

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Like I get-
I get one, I get the other, I have no idea how they connect.
Cause they don't, they don't, they don't connect.
They don't.
You just roll with it and you go, you know, weird red light barn stuff equals cool.
And you know, you just gotta be like, okay, all right.
I do love that.
I do love that half of this movie, the score sounds like it's a Miami vice episode though.

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It is because you have the moodier stuff like in the beginning that you were talkingabout.
But yeah, a lot of it is like hard rock and guitar.
It is very far from Harry Manfredini.
Yes, it is.
Yeah.
We feel like we're at the end of a cycle, Robert.
These feel like end of cycle movies.
Yes.
They certainly do.
And it feels like we're getting to the end of a cycle.

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Like, while both of the movies we talked about today had brief theatrical releases, manyslasher films of the late 80s outside of like the big three franchises were released
direct to video.
And it feels like these could be direct to video features.
They have that vibe.
my God, what a week nine.

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What two...
strange and fascinating movies.
My goodness.
It's almost that time.
We have one more episode to go.
It's almost time to wrap up our main Friday the 13th series.
And next week, we're going to do something we often do on the show.
We don't always do it, but we're going to do it this time.

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We are going to look at two parodies of the slasher genre.
One from the early 80s at the beginning of the cycle.
And one from the end of the decade as it was winding down.
And, that's going to be interesting to see what that's going to teach us about, about thiswhole thing.
Yeah.
And the early one, it feels more broad trend, right?

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Parody.
Whereas the later one is definitely Jason is a horror icon.
Absolutely.
Let's play with that.
So it'll be good.
Cause also I feel that I have,
Like the trend has reached the point where the we know the rules and now the rules arejust like people aren't even really bothering to do them correctly.

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And so let's go see people make fun of the rules.
And hopefully Justin's camp reunion doesn't devolve into a supernatural fueled massacre.
And he'll be back to discuss, 1981's student bodies and the UK produced unmasked part 25from 1988.
So that'll be next week.
It will close out the main series.

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We may have a bonus episode surprise that we will talk about then.
And thank you so much for listening.
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Well