October 12, 2022 • 52 mins
Join Natasha Levinger and her co-host/husband/producer, Brett, as they discuss oracle cards with Tess Whitehurst! They also talk about using intuition and inspiration when reading the meaning of cards, communicating with animals, the power of journaling, having conversations with infinity, pocket knives as beautiful objects, and more!
Plus, Natasha's book is now available for pre-order! Head over to amazon to pre-order Healing Your Inner Child: Re-Parenting Yourself for a More Secure and Loving Life.
And...
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Getting to Know Woo is a weekly podcast dedicated to dispelling the rhetoric that so-called "woo-woo" practices such as energy work, energy healing, inner child healing, chakra clearing, and more are impractical and ineffective, and instead are pragmatic, transformative, and powerful.
Mentioned in the show:
- Tess's new oracle deck, Oracle of Portals.
- Tess's weekly online moment of mindfulness, Sunday Circle.
- Brett's Zoom avatar.
- Luis Mojica's podcast, Holistic Life Navigation.
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getting to know,
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getting to know all about,
getting to like getting to hope you like,
whoa,
welcome to getting to know woo.
I'm Natasha Levinger,
a professional intuitive reader,
energy healer and inner child healing expert.
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After being raised with extreme narcissism,
I found talk therapy was helpful,
but it wasn't until I found energy and inner child healing that I was able to break free of family patterns that cut me off from knowing and loving my true self.
I'm passionate about dispelling the rhetoric that these kinds of tools are impractical and ineffective.
And in this podcast I will be sharing how actually beneficial and transformative they are.
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My husband and producer Brett will be joining me in conversation and we will be welcoming experts.
Along the way,
I'm excited to have you here.
Hello everybody welcome or welcome back.
Either one or both.
(01:09):
That's true.
You can be welcomed and welcome back.
So today's an exciting episode for former magic monday layers or magic monday listeners.
Well,
it should be exciting for everyone.
Well,
they don't know yet because we have tests.
My former co host on today.
(01:31):
We talked about her really amazing oracle deck.
The oracle of portals and we talked about getting information from tarot and oracle decks and what's that?
What's that about for a second when you started to say her name.
I thought you were,
I thought you were putting my former co host in quotes like it was a nickname.
(01:52):
Like Tess my former co host White.
No,
I wasn't doing that.
We still haven't officially ended much.
I don't know,
I don't know.
I just keep running um Anyhoo users.
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So this week,
what I,
we had talked about this before but we were thinking,
you know,
this is like the check in portion of the podcast where we talked about our week,
but it is a little bit weird because we live together for us to ask each other how your week was,
but now that you say that like our audience doesn't live with us.
(02:38):
Yeah,
I know,
but it's just a weird question for me to ask you because I already know how your week was.
That's what I mean.
I don't think it's weird to talk probably already talked about it,
everything that we've already.
Um but it's yeah,
Anyhoo users,
my big news this week is that my book healing your inner child is available for preorder I just found out.
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So that was super exciting for me.
Um you can tell Brett okay,
can say how excited you are.
If I had,
if I was,
if I was a better producer,
I would have a soundboard where I could have hit some kind of sound effect only or a better producer.
You know,
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um take do they take money?
That's what I was going to say.
They accept cash app Venmo,
hey pal friends and family I'm asking are those expensive?
Yeah,
like if we were to get one of those,
I mean they're not unattainable but they're not.
(03:48):
They're not unattainable.
You don't know how much I have.
I'm just kidding,
you know.
Exactly.
Okay.
Any,
how many times am I going to say any users today?
I don't know.
I simply don't know.
One thing is I feel like each week we have a different thing that you feel like you say uh long story short.
(04:09):
Oh,
okay,
Well it'll be interesting to see if I have things.
Okay,
so um it's available for pre order on amazon and we'll put it in the show notes.
There's no cover art yet.
But trust me it's there.
Just trust me.
Just trust me.
Um And apparently if enough people preorder it maybe my publisher will be like,
(04:35):
oh we should really think some promotional stuff into this situation.
I don't know,
it's not unattainable.
So anyway,
that was pretty great for me.
I wish the audience could see how you're twirling your hair right now.
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I am a child in many ways.
Okay,
so do you want to say anything stand out for you about your week?
A lot of growth?
A lot,
a lot of stuff going on.
We'll talk about it at some point,
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I'm sure.
Okay you don't want to talk about it right now.
Yeah,
it's still under construction wraps wraps under the sea.
Yeah,
I remember actually when um Guest uh Tess Whitehurst was talking about her first book that came out.
It brought out a lot of brought up a lot of stuff for her and so far that's not happening for me yet.
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But I don't know just I am noticing it to be like a vulnerable situation in some ways.
Yeah.
Yeah.
But I did get a blurb from um front of the show,
she's actually going to be on the show and I guess two weeks dr Ingrid Clayton,
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she's amazing on instagram,
you should go follow her.
Um And it was just such a really,
I've been able to take in that kind of thing more lately,
like it was really nice.
I couldn't have asked for a better blow up and how many times are you going to say that sentence in your life?
Um Okay,
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before we I introduced tests,
um let's just say that listen,
we have loved all of these reviews,
you all have have have left us and um I love reading them,
they make us feel great and they help people find the show much like the preorder,
so thank you for doing that and if you haven't um please do,
(06:45):
we'd really appreciate it on yield,
Apple podcast,
yield anywhere.
Right?
It's a review specification doesn't allow for a review,
but they So that's that and if you'd like to ask us any questions,
I was thinking maybe um our since our dating anniversary,
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19 year dating anniversary is coming up and at the end of November we could have that episode,
just be talking about that,
how I manifested you.
If we want to get into the Wu of it all.
Um just talk about our story anyway.
If anyone wants to ask us questions in general or about that,
you can email us.
(07:28):
Yeah.
Either one getting to know wu at gmail dot com or any kind of question you may have.
We're here for it.
Hashtag we're here for it.
Um Okay,
is there anything else I feel like I forget to say things but um,
housekeeping.
Yeah.
Housekeeping wise.
Um,
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I don't know.
Okay,
I could talk about me but I'm not going to,
maybe I'll save it for the end.
Um Okay,
so Tess White hurts,
teaches magical and intuitive arts via her online community,
The wisdom circle,
an award winning author.
She's written a book which has been translated into 18 languages.
(08:12):
She's appeared on the bravo tv show flipping out as well as morning shows on both Fox and NBC.
And she also has so many great oracle decks including her latest,
which is available for preorder right now.
The oracle of portals.
So I hope you enjoy our interview with Okay Tess,
(08:40):
we're so happy you're here and I'm sure every single person listening is excited to have you here.
Thank you.
Absolutely 100%.
I will just say that we are in a funny situation right now because my Light the Sun is coming in and most of the time I look like I'm in a film noir or like I'm being interrogated in a room with just a light bulb hanging over my head.
(09:10):
And Brett had to turn off his video for reception.
So it's just a picture of a cat with a smushed face and glasses on and a tie collar,
a white collar and a tie and glasses.
He's serious.
He's really gonna ready to get to work.
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I do occasionally have to use my zoom account at work and this is what shows up there and it's just always fun to see who's going to comment on it.
Yeah.
Well,
I don't see how they couldn't.
I feel like it does psychologically give the feeling that you're hard at work and focus that cat does look very serious.
I'll put it in the show notes.
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It's like it never has never left new york.
Oh wow,
that's a city cat is what you're saying.
A city wall Street cap.
Anyway.
Um so we're here to talk about your new oracle deck.
The oracle of portals.
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Yes.
The Oracle of portals.
But we're really gonna be talking mostly about just oracle decks and tarot in general and like how we use them and how like how they are helpful in a practical way in our lives.
But I will say that I am very excited to get this deck.
(10:35):
I can't wait.
I'm excited about it too.
Yeah.
I do want to tell everybody about it but I didn't want to talk about it the whole time because That would not be relevant to everyone and would be like a infomercial,
but you want,
but I do want to say it's very beautiful.
Every card.
All of the 44 cards are different portals,
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either literal or metaphorical into different,
a different sort of energy.
So liminal spaces like there's there's doors and gates and coming home and there's sunrise,
the sunrise,
the sunset,
there's like a crossroads.
So they're all,
I just feel like it's going to be fun to work with two because of like just tuning into what kind,
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what's changing right now in your life.
How can you step into new energies and just be aware of,
you know,
what,
what's shifting for you and you do um,
oracle readings,
Right.
Do you still do that for myself?
I do.
I mean like,
don't you record weekly?
Yeah.
Well I do weekly card readings.
(11:41):
Yeah.
So I mean,
this is now lately,
what I do is I use an oracle card as a sort of a focal point or kind of points me towards the theme for the week.
So like I start on Sundays,
I do a free guided meditation on zoom,
which everyone should join if you want on sunday mornings.
And that's before that is when I draw my card for the week to see what kind of meditation do I want to leave this morning.
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But then it also informs my video for the week.
I try to make the videos so that they're relevant for anyone that might watch them at any time.
But then at the end of the video,
I'm like,
this has been inspired by the card I drew for this week,
which is this from one of my previous to oracle decks.
But now I get to use oracle of portals.
So that brings up a good point.
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So this is one way,
like I'll just say like the way I don't like to use oracle decks and tarot decks is to get into real predictive places like,
okay,
this is what's gonna,
what's gonna happen,
you know,
to whatever.
Um,
my marriage.
(12:46):
Um,
or like it was extra funny to say that to a cat's face or like what's going to happen in my job.
Am I going to do this?
Am I going to do that?
Because I feel like that's where in terms of woo woo world,
it gets a bad rap,
like,
like go to the psychic and they'll tell you your future and I personally don't believe in that.
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I mean,
I think there's some level of being able to feel into the energy obviously,
but not like this is what's going to happen definitely.
And it's also scary.
Yeah,
I think that's why an oracle portals not to keep going back to it,
but I did the first card is birth and the last card was going to be death,
which was going to just be a transformation,
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like a serious transformation,
not a physical death,
but the publisher was like can we change the names to something else?
I don't remember what it was but it's something but it's still very clearly that kind of energy and vibe.
But yeah,
it's because I could see why because some people if they aren't used to working with something like that they might be like oh no like I'm not what's going to happen on friday.
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Well there is a death card in the tarot too,
but it isn't supposed to mean that either.
No,
but I mean I think it does still scare people especially if they're new to tarot and or if they just they're getting a reading they have,
they don't know what to expect and then they see that it is a whole thing that tarot readers have to navigate.
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But to me I love the death card in the tarot and in or of portals because you know I mean you guys know me,
how I how much I love getting rid of stuff.
I love saying goodbye to things like it's very I mean death the death card always to me is just very,
very powerful purification and letting go.
(14:45):
Yeah and then opening up to something new.
Like I remember my friend Ellen dugan,
the author,
she has a tarot deck that she created and she I think it's either in her description of the death card or maybe I've just heard her say this before,
that pregnant women will often get the death card that comes up and it's because yeah,
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like your old life,
you're never going to be the same.
Like this is very serious shifting for you.
You have to say goodbye to not having this baby.
Um Do you like to let go of things in general or just clutter clearing?
(15:26):
Well,
I think that I do feel fascinated by the power of letting go.
Um but I mean because you know,
also I was raised in a funeral chapel around a funeral chapel and I think,
I think,
I mean I think this is a bit of mindfulness to mindful presence is like being present with the moment means like letting go of the past moments so you can open up to the future moments and I think there is there does it does feel like there's something there.
(15:57):
I mean this is the whole portal energy in general,
but it does feel like there's something fascinating to me about it and something really empowering to.
I just was wondering because you said that we know that you like clearing stuff but I never thought about it that way.
Like I always thought you like clearing clutter but I didn't think about you actually liking like I don't know other like really moving.
(16:23):
Like for example,
that would be another example,
like I love moving.
I really also hate it.
I mean at the same time that I love it.
Like everybody,
you know,
it's like castle and it feels very awkward.
I mean every time I've moved to a new city I'm like nobody will like me here,
there's these feelings of vulnerability but at the same time I can feel the power in it.
(16:45):
It's like just that really serious transformation you know,
I think about it too when I see like a building being dismantled or destroyed or like a building in a state of being dismantled like a bunch of bricks lying around or something.
Like I do feel like this is like such transformational energy right now there was a building and it held it held space and it had structure and now it's being in the process of being torn down for something else to be built there or nothing to be built there.
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It's just there there.
Yeah,
I think I'm fascinated with that whole um so that reminds me of portal energy you know and moving is you're right,
it's like a real portal energy and I was just thinking that like every time I've moved anywhere the most,
it's been very powerful the beginning of it like right when I move and then it's like you kind of get where I should speak for myself but I get a little stagnant almost in the city like I'm kind of drift like I get used to it or something and it has less,
(17:51):
it's almost like I'm just less aware of all the portal energy or something.
Well like it's just such a dramatic shift,
your whole environment is shifting and then it shifts your perspective of yourself.
And so that I mean that is a good way to describe why I like clutter clearing because you can't be moving all the time,
but you can be like what can I get rid of?
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And it could have the scene,
I wish,
I wonder if this were really going on tangents here,
but I never noticed as much when I clear clutter that things are shifting,
but maybe I don't do it enough,
maybe I'm only doing a little bit or something.
Also everybody's different.
I think we all have different things that kind of get our magic moving,
(18:36):
feel magical and get our energy moving and we're all different and I mean I'm a Virgo with the Capricorn rising that or the energy of like let me shift something.
And the first thing that pops into my head is the physical world.
Yeah,
I mean I am a much more extreme case than anything that would be likely to appear in your house test,
(18:58):
but I will definitely say that like just you know,
a couple of weeks ago Natasha and um our sister in law um cleared out my office like cleaned it up.
And I mean it was,
it is a big transformation,
I'm back at my desk which I had not been for months,
which is we cleared out the whole closet that we took everything out and his brother came and put in what,
(19:25):
like shelving and it was very excited.
I felt that for sure that I like how there were many different people contributing to this.
Like it was like an intervention,
like we all need,
it wasn't but it was,
I was a willing participant,
but it was definitely necessary and not going to happen on its own.
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Well,
our sister in law,
Debbie loves that kind of thing.
She was like,
this is making me so happy.
So yeah.
Yeah,
so it was a good thing anyway,
we've gotten way off track,
but let's,
I mean it's interesting that we're talking about portal energy though because I do think that's relevant,
definitely.
Yeah.
Um so let's talk about how you use um or how we,
(20:11):
you and I because bread doesn't but um use tarot and oracle decks in ways to help our lives are like um it was four for four for one second managing it.
Um so how do you use it?
Like do you use it in your everyday life or what I do?
(20:32):
Yeah,
lucero and oracle cards um I still do,
but years,
many years ago,
I think it was like maybe 2000 four or five that I got during virtues Goddess the goddess deck or the goddess oracle or something and I was like like this whole new world was there and that,
(20:56):
I mean now when I always,
I think what I recommend is asking a question and phrasing it,
it could be like could you please give me guidance on this or thank you for giving me guidance on this or that or what do I most need to know or how do I proceed?
How do I approach like those kinds of open ended questions and then um I mean call on the divine center yourself,
(21:18):
ground yourself and then shuffle and then draw one card or there are also layouts you could do,
but I like to now my habit,
I,
I used to just draw the card and then be like,
let me turn to the page in the book.
But now I really am in the habit of looking at the image first and kind of letting the image speak to me in a deeper nonlinear,
(21:41):
like beyond language sort of way.
And then I,
and then I turn to the page and look at look it up,
I mean unless it's terrible,
I feel like can tell the story often on its own.
I do like to look up the meanings sometimes if I don't know them off the top of my head or want to kind of get really specific with them.
But I feel like tarot is a really different thing than working with oracle decks and working with tarot is different.
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So tarot,
it's like a to me,
I think of it as a story like it's telling you a story,
it's showing you sort of the archetypal forces at work and then letting you decide how to respond.
I mean depending,
I guess I do do a layout where there is an advice card,
I usually work with the layout that is past,
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present,
future advice people,
obstacles outcome,
so it's a seven card rating,
that's what I usually do,
so,
but I do feel like in general,
it's more of like,
let's look at the stories or the patterns that are underpinning what's going on for you and it depends on the oracle decks,
sometimes oracle text can be more like that.
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Oracle decks just in case you don't know the difference.
Taro is,
it's like it has its own structure,
it's always 78 cards,
they always have a certain Um certain cards,
they might have slightly different names,
but it has a structure to it,
that is traditional.
And oracle decks can be 44 cards,
40 cards,
36 cards,
50 cards,
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I mean it varies and each card is its own thing usually and each author of the deck kind of presents the wisdom in a different way.
So oracle decks to me are more like what,
what do I need to do,
how can I approach is what wisdom is going to help me right now?
It's kind of that immediate sort of single step kind of thing where the tarot is like oh yeah,
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I am exhausted,
Oh I didn't need to recharge,
Oh there is transformational energy at work.
Oh that person maybe I can't trust that person,
like I thought I could,
like there's just kind of more kind of looking at the stories of your life.
It is tricky though when you ask about people,
I remember you telling me that once and it felt very validating for me because I feel that I basically,
(23:53):
if I'm feeling upset about a person,
I cannot ask the terror,
like it will basically feed off my energy whatever it is.
And I remember you told me you had that experience too.
Like if you had a fight with Ted or something,
it would always tell you you were breaking up Yeah,
the terror I think is really temperamental and it's really unforgiving,
(24:16):
like I think um working with oracle cards,
especially if you are familiar with the deck and you know,
it's like positive and supportive,
it's like going to just give you some messages of support and maybe some insight to just like,
oh yeah,
that is going on,
oh I do need help with my boundaries right now.
Oh,
I can see that but with narrow yeah,
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I feel like you kind of get the hang of tarot and you have,
you get your relationship with it sometimes,
like sometimes it does feel insulting and sometimes it does feel like um yeah,
like if I'm in a fight with Ted and I do a reading,
it will just be like this person is horrible,
you hate them.
You need to get out of them.
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This is toxic,
It's over.
Because that's how I feel it's done.
It's over.
You'll never talk to this person again.
And then like next week you're like oh well but that also goes into the thing I was saying before about the prediction part of it.
Like it really it's kinda Yeah and it may also,
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you know it's squirrely.
Well it's because I think the future is squarely,
the future isn't exactly,
it reminds me of when I read animals that are lost which I won't do anymore because I hate doing it.
And so nobody asked me to do that.
But especially because if I see well the reason I bring that up is because like the animal if they're alive um doesn't actually know where they are most of the time.
(25:51):
And they and so it's just like if you're trying to figure out where they are like or you know the other thing is sorry I'm going all over the place.
But the other thing is like if an animal is sick even they think they're dying,
like they don't cause animals are so in the moment that um they think like if they're really sick they're like oh yeah I'm gonna die.
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And I yeah like if I were to read Ted on an energy level.
If I and he was an animal and I was like how are you?
He'd be like,
I'm gonna die.
I'm looking at death,
it's over and I tell the person they're gonna,
I think they're gonna die,
he's gonna die.
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But really they have a cold,
Yeah.
What's that?
And really they have a cold.
Right?
Right.
Yeah.
They just have like a headache and they thought it was a brain tumor.
So yeah,
I think it's really great to be honest about intuition.
Like it's like it is.
Yes.
It's tuition,
we can trust it is really a thing we can learn to work with it.
(26:57):
But these are important things to learn is like that,
you know,
sometimes you think one thing and it's not that,
well,
I was just going to say that the times that I have used oracle decks,
I mean usually with you Natasha,
when we're,
you know,
just thinking about something that maybe is,
(27:18):
it doesn't have a clear answer.
I find them to be useful tools for unearthing my own information.
Like when it gives me a card and I look at it and like whether I,
you know,
trying to think of what is the meaning.
I feel like is helping your subconscious to sort of like shake the information that you need.
(27:41):
Yeah.
Yeah.
It's like a sieve for something.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Because the prediction that just to finish that thought,
that's the thing about the prediction thing is like it is so in the moment and I,
I believe the future most of the time isn't really that knowable.
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I mean sometimes you're on a trajectory and it's like okay this is highly likely.
But like yeah,
sometimes you just really don't know.
That's why I brought up the animals because they're so in the moment and every moment it's like this is happening,
that is happening.
You can't ask them maybe when you're in the moment of maybe that's why the tarot does that because you're in the moment of like the pain or whatever and it's just like reading this moment of pain and and you yeah,
(28:27):
so it is helpful to look at like okay,
what you just said Brett like what is the meaning I need to know.
That's what often what I'll ask is like I think you may have said this too is like what information would be helpful for me to know right now.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And you know something I have noticed that I just think it's so fascinating is that that the answer also whether it's tarot or oracle will often not just be during the reading.
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Like that's what I used to assume was like I do this reading,
I ask this question,
I do the reading,
okay,
there's your answer now you have it or you don't you know,
it's this is this window of time when you receive it.
But what I've learned for myself is it will continue to unfold in my life.
Like I'll do a reading and then I'll like have this realization or there will be this sort of um synchronicity or I'll be pointed towards something and it's like,
(29:25):
I feel like especially I'm thinking of a tarot reading I did recently about how to manage my energy.
Like I felt like extra drained and I wanted to do a bunch of things still,
but I didn't want to feel drained anymore.
I was like how can I take care of my energy?
And I just noticed that it was like,
I saw in the tarot reading the answer and I wrote in my journal,
(29:47):
you know that I think that's another good thing to do is write free,
write in your journal,
like what does this mean to you?
What are you getting from this?
Because that can surprise you too.
But then I actually just continue to get different messages because I think when you to your mind and your spirit and you align with the divine and you're like ask a certain question,
(30:07):
it doesn't just stop after you do the reading.
It just keeps unfolding for you because you're emerging yourself with this,
the answer that's like the intention that you have is to receive this information.
So it continues to unfold for you.
And if you don't,
like,
let's say you don't believe in the divine or whatever.
You can even think of like asking your highest self or your highest knowing that really does open up the um yeah,
(30:37):
it opens up the portal.
It opens up the information and yeah,
I think that there's so much power in,
I don't know,
just like in declaring intentions and in the unseen,
like in terms of different containers,
like when I'm working with people over three months and we declare like,
(30:59):
okay,
this is our container.
It's just fascinating to see how it really does end up being like the information that needs to come forth comes forth.
And it's not about me and it's not it's not even about them.
It's about their intention and our intention to bring that information to the light.
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So you can use the tarot.
You can use,
you can really use anything to just be like,
okay,
this is my intention.
I want that.
And then to be keep your eyes open for information.
Yeah.
And it's like something,
it's like a conversation that you're having with infinity or yeah,
you could say your higher self,
you could say the divine.
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It's up to me all the same thing.
But this makes me think also of creativity.
Like I was,
did you guys see the new David Bowie movie?
You know about it?
The document,
it's a documentary we went to see in the theater is new.
It's called Moonshine Day Moonshine Daydream.
Is that the name of one of the Yeah,
(32:01):
it's something Moon Age.
Daydream.
Yeah.
And how David Bowie was just constantly is a Capricorn and he talked about being a Capricorn but it didn't seem like he was so kind of lonely for a lot of his life and lonesome and that all he had was his work in a way and that he just kept working,
(32:23):
working,
working.
And it did really seem like a conversation with letting creativity flow through him.
Yes,
he was so tuned into that.
I still I have this video of a clip from him from instagram that I just saved in my email to remind myself of it.
But he was basically like saying that you can't play to the gallery,
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you have to it when you want to create.
It's about opening up to your knowing and and why did you want to do this in the first place?
Was to birth like again with the portal,
it's like birthing whatever you um yourself into the world in some way.
Like creatively.
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Yeah.
And he was non stop.
It wasn't just music.
I mean it was it was so much music that most of us haven't even heard because he just kept doing it all the time,
but also painting and writing and plays and acting and just nonstop.
So yeah,
in terms of I don't have like a daily practice,
but I do think it's actually now that we're talking about this in terms of opening up that energy.
(33:31):
It is a really cool way to um be more in touch with what is I was going to say,
what is your purpose,
but I don't believe we have just one purpose,
but like what,
what,
where is your life Divinely led or your highest self wanting to go or on earth that um to have like a daily practice of picking a card and then journaling and I agree with you.
(33:58):
Journaling is such an important part of.
There's so much stuff comes out when I don't journal,
I feel like when you don't journal after you meditate or um pick a card or something,
you're losing.
It's just like so much information.
You're,
it's like leaving money on the table,
you know because when I do journalists like,
(34:18):
oh my God,
I never would have known this.
If I hadn't journal,
I would have just thought that was the end of the insight.
But it is and that can be its own its own divination practice to you don't even need an oracle deck,
you can ask a question and then you can just write what comes to you.
I mean you don't even need to write it really,
but I do find like you writing does seem to get something moving.
(34:43):
Yeah.
And I do think it is helpful though to have that starting off point because it does open up something else and if it's meditating,
if it's picking an oracle card or whatever and I like to work with one deck for a while.
Like I have my little business altar and I for I think it was almost like over a year I had one deck that I was working with and then I got the information.
(35:10):
It's time to switch decks.
Um,
and I'm not crazy about the one that I switched to.
So I think when your deck arrives,
I think that might be what it is when my dad was telling or I was telling my dad at some point.
I this is just a funny story about my dad and oracle deck.
(35:31):
I at some point I was telling him and I'm writing another oracle deck and he said like really honestly wondered and he was like,
if you already have one,
if someone already has one oracle deck,
why did they need another oracle deck?
Like when I cleared clutter from my dad's house,
he had like 300 pocket Nice.
(35:59):
I have a tin right here on my desk.
I really don't like to me,
I can't imagine if you have one,
why you would need more than one,
let alone 300 questions.
They're all different.
Yeah.
Well,
I mean,
not really.
I mean you can get a lot,
but there's also like,
I like them not only like I like always having one on me,
(36:21):
but they are also beautiful objects.
This is just the same as oracle.
Yeah.
Oracle less information out of them.
Well,
no,
I mean it's the same answer.
I don't mean they're the eggs actions,
it's harder to kill someone with an oracle couldn't figure out a way to do it.
We could figure out a way to do divination with pocket knives.
(36:43):
But I don't,
it's not,
I don't know off the top of my head how we would do it.
I didn't mean or something.
Yeah.
I didn't mean that knives are different than oracle assignment.
That oracle decks are different in a way that knives are not different.
They don't have the same kind of different.
There's different information in different or like totally different information.
(37:08):
A knife will look different,
but it's still going to do the same thing.
I mean,
yeah,
I mean,
but there's probably more variety ultimately in an office than among knives,
but I don't know what,
I'll do some research.
(37:29):
Um,
but that is a good question maybe to end on before you tell us about your deck specifically if you want to say more.
Um,
but what do you think,
I mean for me,
different oracle decks,
they have different feelings.
They have different information.
Like there's,
(37:50):
there is interesting,
there is a real energy to them.
Like there's like I have my favorite one and it's not because it's so much better than another one.
I just like,
I feel,
um,
uh,
like an affinity for it.
Like it feels nice to me like,
oh,
this one gets me like it almost like it gets me.
(38:13):
Yeah,
they have personality,
But I think,
I mean if you do have more than one,
which you do not need to have,
but if you do have more than we don't need to have even one.
But let's say you do have more,
then I feel like that's even a part of the divination in a way too,
because it's like which card deck?
(38:35):
Which oracle deck feels right for this question.
So I'm already kind of zeroing in on or tuning into that wisdom.
Um So do you want to say more about your deck oracle of portals?
Um I mean,
I don't really know what else to say about the artwork is by Layla Savolainen and it's gorgeous.
(39:01):
It's just really so,
so pretty.
And can we get it?
I mean,
I think now,
I know,
I think in in it seems like in Australia they finally just really did start shipping them out.
Um and so it'll take another minute probably for them to get into the warehouse in the United States.
But they exist.
I haven't seen it yet,
(39:22):
but where would people get them on your website?
There is a link on my website and on amazon and many of the places where you buy oracle decks and I know that in books,
preorders aren't they important?
You don't feel that's what I'm told you're told it is important.
(39:45):
Okay.
I don't I couldn't tell you exactly why or if that's true or not.
Well yeah,
I mean is it too late for that?
Maybe not though.
So if you go onto amazon you're like oh it's not ready yet.
Just preorder it.
I mean it will be it'll be it won't be too too long.
(40:05):
It might be a week or two but I don't think it will be longer than that.
I don't know.
It could be though.
Don't don't quote me on that but it'll get there,
it'll get it'll be great when it's here.
Um And otherwise where can people find you?
What are you doing?
Are you can they come join the wisdom circle?
(40:26):
Is that available?
You can get on the waiting list for the wisdom circle.
Thanks again for asking.
So my website is test Whitehurst dot com and um the wisdom circle is my online School of Magical Arts.
I love it so much.
It's on Tuesday nights we do live web chats and rituals that I host.
And um and there's just a really supportive facebook group and all kinds of online workshops that are self guided that you get access to.
(40:51):
And you can get on the waiting list for that test Whitehurst dot com also you can learn about joining my sunday morning free meditations there and get on the list for that.
And um and you just get on my mailing list in general.
And the meditation every sunday morning.
Pretty much every sunday.
Yeah.
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Um All right well it's been a delight having you here.
It's been great to be here to hang out with you guys again.
We love you and appreciate you.
All right.
We'll see you later.
(41:33):
Okay.
That was nice,
wasn't it?
Nice little touch up.
It took me a second to process that as catch up.
I thought you were just making a sound.
No,
that was the sound.
That was that was worth the sound.
That was worth.
Um okay,
so now this is the segment where I do the energy report shoot,
(42:02):
did I do that wrong again?
Did it great because I thought I was supposed to leave a pause.
You are?
Yes,
but I did.
Did I do the pause?
Yeah.
It's supposed to come after the energy report.
Like before and after.
It plays over the whole thing due to due to great listeners will already have heard.
(42:24):
So the energy report is I do want to just,
you know,
make a little distinction here because I don't tell the future or believe in telling the future in terms of specifics.
But this is just me feeling into the energy that we,
you know,
basic energy signatures and what we may want to do to help ourselves navigate.
(42:45):
It would Like weather forecasting a little bit like you're not going to be 100% right.
But you can see what's uh,
what's on that.
Well,
it's not,
yeah,
it's less about the accuracy and more about like the future future.
It's actually exactly like the weather because the weather is like,
it's hard to read the weather more than a week away.
(43:08):
It's very similar to that and that's what I find with the energy.
Um,
anyhoo users did it again.
If we were drinking,
you would have another one.
Okay.
So you know,
again,
I feel like I've said this before,
but October's energy is a little bit like,
(43:30):
um,
how do I say turbulent.
I was just looking at what the date was when this comes out on the 12th.
Yeah.
Okay.
Okay.
So that,
this makes sense.
So yeah,
because we're coming up on this eclipse,
but that's not until I believe in two weeks.
(43:50):
Um,
but regardless,
because when I did that,
I wrote the energy report from my buddy green for the whole month and when I did that,
I felt like the first two weeks were kind of like,
and then the third week felt like this is all right.
And then the fourth week was like again,
so take that.
See you just kidding.
(44:11):
Okay.
So this week when I'm feeling into is it does feel toss attorney again.
It feels like what,
wait,
what,
what's happening.
But then it also feels like what's happening is appealing on off of layers of what you don't resonate with anymore.
(44:31):
And that could be specific to relationships.
It could be,
it's actually,
it's probably going to be different for everybody.
But what I'm feeling is it is like a heart chakra.
I think this was true last week to a heart chakra resonance situation.
So it's like it could feel toss attorney like you're getting tossed and turned when you're,
(44:55):
when you go into the place where this doesn't resonate.
This doesn't feel good.
Wait,
why is this person talking to me like that or why is this happening?
Why did I,
I don't know something at work.
Like wait a minute.
What?
That wasn't supposed to go that way.
Um,
notice I'm not being specific because it's more,
(45:15):
it's,
I don't know your specifics,
but it is just,
yeah,
they're just in terms of,
that's what the energy feels like.
It's moving out.
It's bringing in more awareness around what you're,
you've been tolerating maybe that you don't want to tolerate anymore.
And that could even be in your inner critic here.
(45:37):
Like I don't want to talk like this to myself anymore.
I don't want to and then it could also be reflected in your external life.
So,
but the benefit here is that it does feel like when it tosses,
let's just say the tossing maybe wouldn't feel good.
But then the turning is like,
oh wait,
(45:57):
no,
but I'm more connected to my heart now.
You know,
So you would say like the tossing is like the recognizing when something isn't working.
But then the turning is getting rid of that.
They're like letting go of that thing,
letting go and also having a connect stronger connection to your heart.
Like,
um,
as opposed to what's happening externally.
(46:20):
So both like,
okay,
I feel so resonant.
I know what I'm resonant with.
I resonate with myself and I'm clear about these maybe values that I have or what I'm willing to tolerate and that feels good.
And so I'm going to release this thing that I don't,
Does that make sense?
But then the turny the tossing part that may come back where it's like,
(46:44):
oh wait that's like pulling focus.
Maybe,
you know,
like it's pulling focus because it's like it's feels turbulent.
So then it's like I don't like this,
I don't like this.
But then it's like,
wait a minute you come back to your heart like okay,
but I,
you know more of grounding into your heart about what you want and what you again,
(47:06):
what you tolerate,
what feels good to you and that part will feel good.
You know when you're more centered in that,
does that make sense?
You were looking off to the side.
So I don't know if that was confusing.
Well that I look after the side sometimes when I'm thinking and I was just talking about what you were saying,
you're thinking man now everyone's gonna know what I'm thinking.
(47:30):
Thanks a lot.
Sorry.
Um so that's what's happening and now as far as my recommendation for what to do.
Obviously,
you know if your toss attorney it can feel unsafe sometimes or like ungrounded or unsent erred.
So what I am really one tool that I've been using a lot lately is this somatic experiencing tool for when I'm feeling when I'm feeling that way.
(48:01):
I guess more turbulent is to remind myself of my safety in the present moment.
Um,
so literally what I've been doing is looking around the room and noticing like,
oh,
I'm like really taking in because you can get in your head when you're in those moments of worrying and you really are.
(48:25):
It's like you take a little like you really aren't present.
You really aren't in the moment.
It feels like you're in that other reality when you're in that and that reality might feel scary if you have an inner critic that's scaring you or you're unsure because the brain really likes to be sure.
So to remind your,
it's a good thing for your brain to,
to be like,
Oh,
hey Brain look,
(48:46):
we're actually right here right now.
Like I will even look at what's soothing me.
Like I painted this office this soothing blue.
Um,
and so I just take it like,
oh,
I'm in my office.
Oh,
my cat is here.
Oh,
there's another cat there.
Oh,
there's a calendar I really like,
like I'm really in this moment right now.
(49:07):
This is where I am.
And like I love my life.
I love this room.
I love where I am in my life and when I go to often to that other place,
it's like I may as well not even be occupying this life that I really like And even if you're in a place in your life that you're not so happy with still it's a really good practice to be taking in what does soothe you because it really it just helps to soothe your nervous system and the more your nervous system,
(49:37):
your energy system is calm,
the better you're going to be able to handle whatever is going on around you which sounds really obvious but sometimes we can get to that place of soothing through not even gratitude but just know but although it can turn into that but just noticing what is actually calm in our environment,
(49:59):
it helps us grounded to our bodies that way.
Well you also,
it sounded like you were starting to say like when it feels threatening um like to ground yourself in the moment and see like like even if you don't feel those other things like you're saying like I love my life,
I love this room or whatever,
like recognizing that there's no threat here that you're safe.
(50:20):
Yeah.
Yeah.
Actually it's funny because I was doing that a lot this week and then I listened to um the holistic navigation,
life path,
Lewis Mojica.
He had this episode where he just literally was talking about that um it was last week's episode if you want to listen to that about looking around the room where for anywhere you don't feel threatened like anywhere.
(50:46):
Just like even try to really notice.
Let's just say the wall again.
Um Can I even send,
can I send any threat in the color of my wall?
And it's no,
I can't.
So letting that really sink in.
Oh,
wow.
There.
Most of my life is not threatening whatsoever.
(51:08):
In fact,
all of it,
it's really the most certainly thing is when my inner critic gets really loud.
So,
and I think that's most of the time.
That is true for everyone.
So that's what it is.
That's where we are.
And I guess that's really it.
Thank you everybody so much for listening.
(51:28):
Oh,
I will say,
if you want to find me,
you can find me at highest light healing dot com.
Um I am going to like uh I would say maybe a month I'll be opening more slots for my awakening clients.
Which is where I work in a three month container with people.
But I do have some openings for one off.
(51:50):
So you can go on high slight healing dot com.
You can find me on instinct,
Grammys and Tiktok ease at high slight healing and that's about it.
Thanks everyone.
getting to know,
(00:02):
getting to know all about,
getting to like getting to hope you like,
whoa,
welcome to getting to know woo.
I'm Natasha Levinger,
a professional intuitive reader,
energy healer and inner child healing expert.
(00:24):
After being raised with extreme narcissism,
I found talk therapy was helpful,
but it wasn't until I found energy and inner child healing that I was able to break free of family patterns that cut me off from knowing and loving my true self.
I'm passionate about dispelling the rhetoric that these kinds of tools are impractical and ineffective.
And in this podcast I will be sharing how actually beneficial and transformative they are.
(00:49):
My husband and producer Brett will be joining me in conversation and we will be welcoming experts.
Along the way,
I'm excited to have you here.
Hello everybody welcome or welcome back.
Either one or both.
(01:09):
That's true.
You can be welcomed and welcome back.
So today's an exciting episode for former magic monday layers or magic monday listeners.
Well,
it should be exciting for everyone.
Well,
they don't know yet because we have tests.
My former co host on today.
(01:31):
We talked about her really amazing oracle deck.
The oracle of portals and we talked about getting information from tarot and oracle decks and what's that?
What's that about for a second when you started to say her name.
I thought you were,
I thought you were putting my former co host in quotes like it was a nickname.
(01:52):
Like Tess my former co host White.
No,
I wasn't doing that.
We still haven't officially ended much.
I don't know,
I don't know.
I just keep running um Anyhoo users.
(02:13):
So this week,
what I,
we had talked about this before but we were thinking,
you know,
this is like the check in portion of the podcast where we talked about our week,
but it is a little bit weird because we live together for us to ask each other how your week was,
but now that you say that like our audience doesn't live with us.
(02:38):
Yeah,
I know,
but it's just a weird question for me to ask you because I already know how your week was.
That's what I mean.
I don't think it's weird to talk probably already talked about it,
everything that we've already.
Um but it's yeah,
Anyhoo users,
my big news this week is that my book healing your inner child is available for preorder I just found out.
(03:05):
So that was super exciting for me.
Um you can tell Brett okay,
can say how excited you are.
If I had,
if I was,
if I was a better producer,
I would have a soundboard where I could have hit some kind of sound effect only or a better producer.
You know,
(03:26):
um take do they take money?
That's what I was going to say.
They accept cash app Venmo,
hey pal friends and family I'm asking are those expensive?
Yeah,
like if we were to get one of those,
I mean they're not unattainable but they're not.
(03:48):
They're not unattainable.
You don't know how much I have.
I'm just kidding,
you know.
Exactly.
Okay.
Any,
how many times am I going to say any users today?
I don't know.
I simply don't know.
One thing is I feel like each week we have a different thing that you feel like you say uh long story short.
(04:09):
Oh,
okay,
Well it'll be interesting to see if I have things.
Okay,
so um it's available for pre order on amazon and we'll put it in the show notes.
There's no cover art yet.
But trust me it's there.
Just trust me.
Just trust me.
Um And apparently if enough people preorder it maybe my publisher will be like,
(04:35):
oh we should really think some promotional stuff into this situation.
I don't know,
it's not unattainable.
So anyway,
that was pretty great for me.
I wish the audience could see how you're twirling your hair right now.
(04:56):
I am a child in many ways.
Okay,
so do you want to say anything stand out for you about your week?
A lot of growth?
A lot,
a lot of stuff going on.
We'll talk about it at some point,
(05:16):
I'm sure.
Okay you don't want to talk about it right now.
Yeah,
it's still under construction wraps wraps under the sea.
Yeah,
I remember actually when um Guest uh Tess Whitehurst was talking about her first book that came out.
It brought out a lot of brought up a lot of stuff for her and so far that's not happening for me yet.
(05:40):
But I don't know just I am noticing it to be like a vulnerable situation in some ways.
Yeah.
Yeah.
But I did get a blurb from um front of the show,
she's actually going to be on the show and I guess two weeks dr Ingrid Clayton,
(06:00):
she's amazing on instagram,
you should go follow her.
Um And it was just such a really,
I've been able to take in that kind of thing more lately,
like it was really nice.
I couldn't have asked for a better blow up and how many times are you going to say that sentence in your life?
Um Okay,
(06:21):
before we I introduced tests,
um let's just say that listen,
we have loved all of these reviews,
you all have have have left us and um I love reading them,
they make us feel great and they help people find the show much like the preorder,
so thank you for doing that and if you haven't um please do,
(06:45):
we'd really appreciate it on yield,
Apple podcast,
yield anywhere.
Right?
It's a review specification doesn't allow for a review,
but they So that's that and if you'd like to ask us any questions,
I was thinking maybe um our since our dating anniversary,
(07:08):
19 year dating anniversary is coming up and at the end of November we could have that episode,
just be talking about that,
how I manifested you.
If we want to get into the Wu of it all.
Um just talk about our story anyway.
If anyone wants to ask us questions in general or about that,
you can email us.
(07:28):
Yeah.
Either one getting to know wu at gmail dot com or any kind of question you may have.
We're here for it.
Hashtag we're here for it.
Um Okay,
is there anything else I feel like I forget to say things but um,
housekeeping.
Yeah.
Housekeeping wise.
Um,
(07:50):
I don't know.
Okay,
I could talk about me but I'm not going to,
maybe I'll save it for the end.
Um Okay,
so Tess White hurts,
teaches magical and intuitive arts via her online community,
The wisdom circle,
an award winning author.
She's written a book which has been translated into 18 languages.
(08:12):
She's appeared on the bravo tv show flipping out as well as morning shows on both Fox and NBC.
And she also has so many great oracle decks including her latest,
which is available for preorder right now.
The oracle of portals.
So I hope you enjoy our interview with Okay Tess,
(08:40):
we're so happy you're here and I'm sure every single person listening is excited to have you here.
Thank you.
Absolutely 100%.
I will just say that we are in a funny situation right now because my Light the Sun is coming in and most of the time I look like I'm in a film noir or like I'm being interrogated in a room with just a light bulb hanging over my head.
(09:10):
And Brett had to turn off his video for reception.
So it's just a picture of a cat with a smushed face and glasses on and a tie collar,
a white collar and a tie and glasses.
He's serious.
He's really gonna ready to get to work.
(09:30):
I do occasionally have to use my zoom account at work and this is what shows up there and it's just always fun to see who's going to comment on it.
Yeah.
Well,
I don't see how they couldn't.
I feel like it does psychologically give the feeling that you're hard at work and focus that cat does look very serious.
I'll put it in the show notes.
(09:52):
It's like it never has never left new york.
Oh wow,
that's a city cat is what you're saying.
A city wall Street cap.
Anyway.
Um so we're here to talk about your new oracle deck.
The oracle of portals.
(10:12):
Yes.
The Oracle of portals.
But we're really gonna be talking mostly about just oracle decks and tarot in general and like how we use them and how like how they are helpful in a practical way in our lives.
But I will say that I am very excited to get this deck.
(10:35):
I can't wait.
I'm excited about it too.
Yeah.
I do want to tell everybody about it but I didn't want to talk about it the whole time because That would not be relevant to everyone and would be like a infomercial,
but you want,
but I do want to say it's very beautiful.
Every card.
All of the 44 cards are different portals,
(10:59):
either literal or metaphorical into different,
a different sort of energy.
So liminal spaces like there's there's doors and gates and coming home and there's sunrise,
the sunrise,
the sunset,
there's like a crossroads.
So they're all,
I just feel like it's going to be fun to work with two because of like just tuning into what kind,
(11:21):
what's changing right now in your life.
How can you step into new energies and just be aware of,
you know,
what,
what's shifting for you and you do um,
oracle readings,
Right.
Do you still do that for myself?
I do.
I mean like,
don't you record weekly?
Yeah.
Well I do weekly card readings.
(11:41):
Yeah.
So I mean,
this is now lately,
what I do is I use an oracle card as a sort of a focal point or kind of points me towards the theme for the week.
So like I start on Sundays,
I do a free guided meditation on zoom,
which everyone should join if you want on sunday mornings.
And that's before that is when I draw my card for the week to see what kind of meditation do I want to leave this morning.
(12:04):
But then it also informs my video for the week.
I try to make the videos so that they're relevant for anyone that might watch them at any time.
But then at the end of the video,
I'm like,
this has been inspired by the card I drew for this week,
which is this from one of my previous to oracle decks.
But now I get to use oracle of portals.
So that brings up a good point.
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So this is one way,
like I'll just say like the way I don't like to use oracle decks and tarot decks is to get into real predictive places like,
okay,
this is what's gonna,
what's gonna happen,
you know,
to whatever.
Um,
my marriage.
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Um,
or like it was extra funny to say that to a cat's face or like what's going to happen in my job.
Am I going to do this?
Am I going to do that?
Because I feel like that's where in terms of woo woo world,
it gets a bad rap,
like,
like go to the psychic and they'll tell you your future and I personally don't believe in that.
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I mean,
I think there's some level of being able to feel into the energy obviously,
but not like this is what's going to happen definitely.
And it's also scary.
Yeah,
I think that's why an oracle portals not to keep going back to it,
but I did the first card is birth and the last card was going to be death,
which was going to just be a transformation,
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like a serious transformation,
not a physical death,
but the publisher was like can we change the names to something else?
I don't remember what it was but it's something but it's still very clearly that kind of energy and vibe.
But yeah,
it's because I could see why because some people if they aren't used to working with something like that they might be like oh no like I'm not what's going to happen on friday.
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Well there is a death card in the tarot too,
but it isn't supposed to mean that either.
No,
but I mean I think it does still scare people especially if they're new to tarot and or if they just they're getting a reading they have,
they don't know what to expect and then they see that it is a whole thing that tarot readers have to navigate.
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But to me I love the death card in the tarot and in or of portals because you know I mean you guys know me,
how I how much I love getting rid of stuff.
I love saying goodbye to things like it's very I mean death the death card always to me is just very,
very powerful purification and letting go.
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Yeah and then opening up to something new.
Like I remember my friend Ellen dugan,
the author,
she has a tarot deck that she created and she I think it's either in her description of the death card or maybe I've just heard her say this before,
that pregnant women will often get the death card that comes up and it's because yeah,
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like your old life,
you're never going to be the same.
Like this is very serious shifting for you.
You have to say goodbye to not having this baby.
Um Do you like to let go of things in general or just clutter clearing?
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Well,
I think that I do feel fascinated by the power of letting go.
Um but I mean because you know,
also I was raised in a funeral chapel around a funeral chapel and I think,
I think,
I mean I think this is a bit of mindfulness to mindful presence is like being present with the moment means like letting go of the past moments so you can open up to the future moments and I think there is there does it does feel like there's something there.
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I mean this is the whole portal energy in general,
but it does feel like there's something fascinating to me about it and something really empowering to.
I just was wondering because you said that we know that you like clearing stuff but I never thought about it that way.
Like I always thought you like clearing clutter but I didn't think about you actually liking like I don't know other like really moving.
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Like for example,
that would be another example,
like I love moving.
I really also hate it.
I mean at the same time that I love it.
Like everybody,
you know,
it's like castle and it feels very awkward.
I mean every time I've moved to a new city I'm like nobody will like me here,
there's these feelings of vulnerability but at the same time I can feel the power in it.
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It's like just that really serious transformation you know,
I think about it too when I see like a building being dismantled or destroyed or like a building in a state of being dismantled like a bunch of bricks lying around or something.
Like I do feel like this is like such transformational energy right now there was a building and it held it held space and it had structure and now it's being in the process of being torn down for something else to be built there or nothing to be built there.
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It's just there there.
Yeah,
I think I'm fascinated with that whole um so that reminds me of portal energy you know and moving is you're right,
it's like a real portal energy and I was just thinking that like every time I've moved anywhere the most,
it's been very powerful the beginning of it like right when I move and then it's like you kind of get where I should speak for myself but I get a little stagnant almost in the city like I'm kind of drift like I get used to it or something and it has less,
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it's almost like I'm just less aware of all the portal energy or something.
Well like it's just such a dramatic shift,
your whole environment is shifting and then it shifts your perspective of yourself.
And so that I mean that is a good way to describe why I like clutter clearing because you can't be moving all the time,
but you can be like what can I get rid of?
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And it could have the scene,
I wish,
I wonder if this were really going on tangents here,
but I never noticed as much when I clear clutter that things are shifting,
but maybe I don't do it enough,
maybe I'm only doing a little bit or something.
Also everybody's different.
I think we all have different things that kind of get our magic moving,
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feel magical and get our energy moving and we're all different and I mean I'm a Virgo with the Capricorn rising that or the energy of like let me shift something.
And the first thing that pops into my head is the physical world.
Yeah,
I mean I am a much more extreme case than anything that would be likely to appear in your house test,
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but I will definitely say that like just you know,
a couple of weeks ago Natasha and um our sister in law um cleared out my office like cleaned it up.
And I mean it was,
it is a big transformation,
I'm back at my desk which I had not been for months,
which is we cleared out the whole closet that we took everything out and his brother came and put in what,
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like shelving and it was very excited.
I felt that for sure that I like how there were many different people contributing to this.
Like it was like an intervention,
like we all need,
it wasn't but it was,
I was a willing participant,
but it was definitely necessary and not going to happen on its own.
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Well,
our sister in law,
Debbie loves that kind of thing.
She was like,
this is making me so happy.
So yeah.
Yeah,
so it was a good thing anyway,
we've gotten way off track,
but let's,
I mean it's interesting that we're talking about portal energy though because I do think that's relevant,
definitely.
Yeah.
Um so let's talk about how you use um or how we,
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you and I because bread doesn't but um use tarot and oracle decks in ways to help our lives are like um it was four for four for one second managing it.
Um so how do you use it?
Like do you use it in your everyday life or what I do?
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Yeah,
lucero and oracle cards um I still do,
but years,
many years ago,
I think it was like maybe 2000 four or five that I got during virtues Goddess the goddess deck or the goddess oracle or something and I was like like this whole new world was there and that,
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I mean now when I always,
I think what I recommend is asking a question and phrasing it,
it could be like could you please give me guidance on this or thank you for giving me guidance on this or that or what do I most need to know or how do I proceed?
How do I approach like those kinds of open ended questions and then um I mean call on the divine center yourself,
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ground yourself and then shuffle and then draw one card or there are also layouts you could do,
but I like to now my habit,
I,
I used to just draw the card and then be like,
let me turn to the page in the book.
But now I really am in the habit of looking at the image first and kind of letting the image speak to me in a deeper nonlinear,
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like beyond language sort of way.
And then I,
and then I turn to the page and look at look it up,
I mean unless it's terrible,
I feel like can tell the story often on its own.
I do like to look up the meanings sometimes if I don't know them off the top of my head or want to kind of get really specific with them.
But I feel like tarot is a really different thing than working with oracle decks and working with tarot is different.
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So tarot,
it's like a to me,
I think of it as a story like it's telling you a story,
it's showing you sort of the archetypal forces at work and then letting you decide how to respond.
I mean depending,
I guess I do do a layout where there is an advice card,
I usually work with the layout that is past,
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present,
future advice people,
obstacles outcome,
so it's a seven card rating,
that's what I usually do,
so,
but I do feel like in general,
it's more of like,
let's look at the stories or the patterns that are underpinning what's going on for you and it depends on the oracle decks,
sometimes oracle text can be more like that.
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Oracle decks just in case you don't know the difference.
Taro is,
it's like it has its own structure,
it's always 78 cards,
they always have a certain Um certain cards,
they might have slightly different names,
but it has a structure to it,
that is traditional.
And oracle decks can be 44 cards,
40 cards,
36 cards,
50 cards,
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I mean it varies and each card is its own thing usually and each author of the deck kind of presents the wisdom in a different way.
So oracle decks to me are more like what,
what do I need to do,
how can I approach is what wisdom is going to help me right now?
It's kind of that immediate sort of single step kind of thing where the tarot is like oh yeah,
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I am exhausted,
Oh I didn't need to recharge,
Oh there is transformational energy at work.
Oh that person maybe I can't trust that person,
like I thought I could,
like there's just kind of more kind of looking at the stories of your life.
It is tricky though when you ask about people,
I remember you telling me that once and it felt very validating for me because I feel that I basically,
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if I'm feeling upset about a person,
I cannot ask the terror,
like it will basically feed off my energy whatever it is.
And I remember you told me you had that experience too.
Like if you had a fight with Ted or something,
it would always tell you you were breaking up Yeah,
the terror I think is really temperamental and it's really unforgiving,
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like I think um working with oracle cards,
especially if you are familiar with the deck and you know,
it's like positive and supportive,
it's like going to just give you some messages of support and maybe some insight to just like,
oh yeah,
that is going on,
oh I do need help with my boundaries right now.
Oh,
I can see that but with narrow yeah,
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I feel like you kind of get the hang of tarot and you have,
you get your relationship with it sometimes,
like sometimes it does feel insulting and sometimes it does feel like um yeah,
like if I'm in a fight with Ted and I do a reading,
it will just be like this person is horrible,
you hate them.
You need to get out of them.
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This is toxic,
It's over.
Because that's how I feel it's done.
It's over.
You'll never talk to this person again.
And then like next week you're like oh well but that also goes into the thing I was saying before about the prediction part of it.
Like it really it's kinda Yeah and it may also,
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you know it's squirrely.
Well it's because I think the future is squarely,
the future isn't exactly,
it reminds me of when I read animals that are lost which I won't do anymore because I hate doing it.
And so nobody asked me to do that.
But especially because if I see well the reason I bring that up is because like the animal if they're alive um doesn't actually know where they are most of the time.
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And they and so it's just like if you're trying to figure out where they are like or you know the other thing is sorry I'm going all over the place.
But the other thing is like if an animal is sick even they think they're dying,
like they don't cause animals are so in the moment that um they think like if they're really sick they're like oh yeah I'm gonna die.
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And I yeah like if I were to read Ted on an energy level.
If I and he was an animal and I was like how are you?
He'd be like,
I'm gonna die.
I'm looking at death,
it's over and I tell the person they're gonna,
I think they're gonna die,
he's gonna die.
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But really they have a cold,
Yeah.
What's that?
And really they have a cold.
Right?
Right.
Yeah.
They just have like a headache and they thought it was a brain tumor.
So yeah,
I think it's really great to be honest about intuition.
Like it's like it is.
Yes.
It's tuition,
we can trust it is really a thing we can learn to work with it.
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But these are important things to learn is like that,
you know,
sometimes you think one thing and it's not that,
well,
I was just going to say that the times that I have used oracle decks,
I mean usually with you Natasha,
when we're,
you know,
just thinking about something that maybe is,
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it doesn't have a clear answer.
I find them to be useful tools for unearthing my own information.
Like when it gives me a card and I look at it and like whether I,
you know,
trying to think of what is the meaning.
I feel like is helping your subconscious to sort of like shake the information that you need.
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Yeah.
Yeah.
It's like a sieve for something.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Because the prediction that just to finish that thought,
that's the thing about the prediction thing is like it is so in the moment and I,
I believe the future most of the time isn't really that knowable.
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I mean sometimes you're on a trajectory and it's like okay this is highly likely.
But like yeah,
sometimes you just really don't know.
That's why I brought up the animals because they're so in the moment and every moment it's like this is happening,
that is happening.
You can't ask them maybe when you're in the moment of maybe that's why the tarot does that because you're in the moment of like the pain or whatever and it's just like reading this moment of pain and and you yeah,
(28:27):
so it is helpful to look at like okay,
what you just said Brett like what is the meaning I need to know.
That's what often what I'll ask is like I think you may have said this too is like what information would be helpful for me to know right now.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And you know something I have noticed that I just think it's so fascinating is that that the answer also whether it's tarot or oracle will often not just be during the reading.
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Like that's what I used to assume was like I do this reading,
I ask this question,
I do the reading,
okay,
there's your answer now you have it or you don't you know,
it's this is this window of time when you receive it.
But what I've learned for myself is it will continue to unfold in my life.
Like I'll do a reading and then I'll like have this realization or there will be this sort of um synchronicity or I'll be pointed towards something and it's like,
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I feel like especially I'm thinking of a tarot reading I did recently about how to manage my energy.
Like I felt like extra drained and I wanted to do a bunch of things still,
but I didn't want to feel drained anymore.
I was like how can I take care of my energy?
And I just noticed that it was like,
I saw in the tarot reading the answer and I wrote in my journal,
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you know that I think that's another good thing to do is write free,
write in your journal,
like what does this mean to you?
What are you getting from this?
Because that can surprise you too.
But then I actually just continue to get different messages because I think when you to your mind and your spirit and you align with the divine and you're like ask a certain question,
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it doesn't just stop after you do the reading.
It just keeps unfolding for you because you're emerging yourself with this,
the answer that's like the intention that you have is to receive this information.
So it continues to unfold for you.
And if you don't,
like,
let's say you don't believe in the divine or whatever.
You can even think of like asking your highest self or your highest knowing that really does open up the um yeah,
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it opens up the portal.
It opens up the information and yeah,
I think that there's so much power in,
I don't know,
just like in declaring intentions and in the unseen,
like in terms of different containers,
like when I'm working with people over three months and we declare like,
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okay,
this is our container.
It's just fascinating to see how it really does end up being like the information that needs to come forth comes forth.
And it's not about me and it's not it's not even about them.
It's about their intention and our intention to bring that information to the light.
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So you can use the tarot.
You can use,
you can really use anything to just be like,
okay,
this is my intention.
I want that.
And then to be keep your eyes open for information.
Yeah.
And it's like something,
it's like a conversation that you're having with infinity or yeah,
you could say your higher self,
you could say the divine.
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It's up to me all the same thing.
But this makes me think also of creativity.
Like I was,
did you guys see the new David Bowie movie?
You know about it?
The document,
it's a documentary we went to see in the theater is new.
It's called Moonshine Day Moonshine Daydream.
Is that the name of one of the Yeah,
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it's something Moon Age.
Daydream.
Yeah.
And how David Bowie was just constantly is a Capricorn and he talked about being a Capricorn but it didn't seem like he was so kind of lonely for a lot of his life and lonesome and that all he had was his work in a way and that he just kept working,
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working,
working.
And it did really seem like a conversation with letting creativity flow through him.
Yes,
he was so tuned into that.
I still I have this video of a clip from him from instagram that I just saved in my email to remind myself of it.
But he was basically like saying that you can't play to the gallery,
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you have to it when you want to create.
It's about opening up to your knowing and and why did you want to do this in the first place?
Was to birth like again with the portal,
it's like birthing whatever you um yourself into the world in some way.
Like creatively.
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Yeah.
And he was non stop.
It wasn't just music.
I mean it was it was so much music that most of us haven't even heard because he just kept doing it all the time,
but also painting and writing and plays and acting and just nonstop.
So yeah,
in terms of I don't have like a daily practice,
but I do think it's actually now that we're talking about this in terms of opening up that energy.
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It is a really cool way to um be more in touch with what is I was going to say,
what is your purpose,
but I don't believe we have just one purpose,
but like what,
what,
where is your life Divinely led or your highest self wanting to go or on earth that um to have like a daily practice of picking a card and then journaling and I agree with you.
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Journaling is such an important part of.
There's so much stuff comes out when I don't journal,
I feel like when you don't journal after you meditate or um pick a card or something,
you're losing.
It's just like so much information.
You're,
it's like leaving money on the table,
you know because when I do journalists like,
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oh my God,
I never would have known this.
If I hadn't journal,
I would have just thought that was the end of the insight.
But it is and that can be its own its own divination practice to you don't even need an oracle deck,
you can ask a question and then you can just write what comes to you.
I mean you don't even need to write it really,
but I do find like you writing does seem to get something moving.
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Yeah.
And I do think it is helpful though to have that starting off point because it does open up something else and if it's meditating,
if it's picking an oracle card or whatever and I like to work with one deck for a while.
Like I have my little business altar and I for I think it was almost like over a year I had one deck that I was working with and then I got the information.
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It's time to switch decks.
Um,
and I'm not crazy about the one that I switched to.
So I think when your deck arrives,
I think that might be what it is when my dad was telling or I was telling my dad at some point.
I this is just a funny story about my dad and oracle deck.
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I at some point I was telling him and I'm writing another oracle deck and he said like really honestly wondered and he was like,
if you already have one,
if someone already has one oracle deck,
why did they need another oracle deck?
Like when I cleared clutter from my dad's house,
he had like 300 pocket Nice.
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I have a tin right here on my desk.
I really don't like to me,
I can't imagine if you have one,
why you would need more than one,
let alone 300 questions.
They're all different.
Yeah.
Well,
I mean,
not really.
I mean you can get a lot,
but there's also like,
I like them not only like I like always having one on me,
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but they are also beautiful objects.
This is just the same as oracle.
Yeah.
Oracle less information out of them.
Well,
no,
I mean it's the same answer.
I don't mean they're the eggs actions,
it's harder to kill someone with an oracle couldn't figure out a way to do it.
We could figure out a way to do divination with pocket knives.
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But I don't,
it's not,
I don't know off the top of my head how we would do it.
I didn't mean or something.
Yeah.
I didn't mean that knives are different than oracle assignment.
That oracle decks are different in a way that knives are not different.
They don't have the same kind of different.
There's different information in different or like totally different information.
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A knife will look different,
but it's still going to do the same thing.
I mean,
yeah,
I mean,
but there's probably more variety ultimately in an office than among knives,
but I don't know what,
I'll do some research.
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Um,
but that is a good question maybe to end on before you tell us about your deck specifically if you want to say more.
Um,
but what do you think,
I mean for me,
different oracle decks,
they have different feelings.
They have different information.
Like there's,
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there is interesting,
there is a real energy to them.
Like there's like I have my favorite one and it's not because it's so much better than another one.
I just like,
I feel,
um,
uh,
like an affinity for it.
Like it feels nice to me like,
oh,
this one gets me like it almost like it gets me.
(38:13):
Yeah,
they have personality,
But I think,
I mean if you do have more than one,
which you do not need to have,
but if you do have more than we don't need to have even one.
But let's say you do have more,
then I feel like that's even a part of the divination in a way too,
because it's like which card deck?
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Which oracle deck feels right for this question.
So I'm already kind of zeroing in on or tuning into that wisdom.
Um So do you want to say more about your deck oracle of portals?
Um I mean,
I don't really know what else to say about the artwork is by Layla Savolainen and it's gorgeous.
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It's just really so,
so pretty.
And can we get it?
I mean,
I think now,
I know,
I think in in it seems like in Australia they finally just really did start shipping them out.
Um and so it'll take another minute probably for them to get into the warehouse in the United States.
But they exist.
I haven't seen it yet,
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but where would people get them on your website?
There is a link on my website and on amazon and many of the places where you buy oracle decks and I know that in books,
preorders aren't they important?
You don't feel that's what I'm told you're told it is important.
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Okay.
I don't I couldn't tell you exactly why or if that's true or not.
Well yeah,
I mean is it too late for that?
Maybe not though.
So if you go onto amazon you're like oh it's not ready yet.
Just preorder it.
I mean it will be it'll be it won't be too too long.
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It might be a week or two but I don't think it will be longer than that.
I don't know.
It could be though.
Don't don't quote me on that but it'll get there,
it'll get it'll be great when it's here.
Um And otherwise where can people find you?
What are you doing?
Are you can they come join the wisdom circle?
(40:26):
Is that available?
You can get on the waiting list for the wisdom circle.
Thanks again for asking.
So my website is test Whitehurst dot com and um the wisdom circle is my online School of Magical Arts.
I love it so much.
It's on Tuesday nights we do live web chats and rituals that I host.
And um and there's just a really supportive facebook group and all kinds of online workshops that are self guided that you get access to.
(40:51):
And you can get on the waiting list for that test Whitehurst dot com also you can learn about joining my sunday morning free meditations there and get on the list for that.
And um and you just get on my mailing list in general.
And the meditation every sunday morning.
Pretty much every sunday.
Yeah.
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Um All right well it's been a delight having you here.
It's been great to be here to hang out with you guys again.
We love you and appreciate you.
All right.
We'll see you later.
(41:33):
Okay.
That was nice,
wasn't it?
Nice little touch up.
It took me a second to process that as catch up.
I thought you were just making a sound.
No,
that was the sound.
That was that was worth the sound.
That was worth.
Um okay,
so now this is the segment where I do the energy report shoot,
(42:02):
did I do that wrong again?
Did it great because I thought I was supposed to leave a pause.
You are?
Yes,
but I did.
Did I do the pause?
Yeah.
It's supposed to come after the energy report.
Like before and after.
It plays over the whole thing due to due to great listeners will already have heard.
(42:24):
So the energy report is I do want to just,
you know,
make a little distinction here because I don't tell the future or believe in telling the future in terms of specifics.
But this is just me feeling into the energy that we,
you know,
basic energy signatures and what we may want to do to help ourselves navigate.
(42:45):
It would Like weather forecasting a little bit like you're not going to be 100% right.
But you can see what's uh,
what's on that.
Well,
it's not,
yeah,
it's less about the accuracy and more about like the future future.
It's actually exactly like the weather because the weather is like,
it's hard to read the weather more than a week away.
(43:08):
It's very similar to that and that's what I find with the energy.
Um,
anyhoo users did it again.
If we were drinking,
you would have another one.
Okay.
So you know,
again,
I feel like I've said this before,
but October's energy is a little bit like,
(43:30):
um,
how do I say turbulent.
I was just looking at what the date was when this comes out on the 12th.
Yeah.
Okay.
Okay.
So that,
this makes sense.
So yeah,
because we're coming up on this eclipse,
but that's not until I believe in two weeks.
(43:50):
Um,
but regardless,
because when I did that,
I wrote the energy report from my buddy green for the whole month and when I did that,
I felt like the first two weeks were kind of like,
and then the third week felt like this is all right.
And then the fourth week was like again,
so take that.
See you just kidding.
(44:11):
Okay.
So this week when I'm feeling into is it does feel toss attorney again.
It feels like what,
wait,
what,
what's happening.
But then it also feels like what's happening is appealing on off of layers of what you don't resonate with anymore.
(44:31):
And that could be specific to relationships.
It could be,
it's actually,
it's probably going to be different for everybody.
But what I'm feeling is it is like a heart chakra.
I think this was true last week to a heart chakra resonance situation.
So it's like it could feel toss attorney like you're getting tossed and turned when you're,
(44:55):
when you go into the place where this doesn't resonate.
This doesn't feel good.
Wait,
why is this person talking to me like that or why is this happening?
Why did I,
I don't know something at work.
Like wait a minute.
What?
That wasn't supposed to go that way.
Um,
notice I'm not being specific because it's more,
(45:15):
it's,
I don't know your specifics,
but it is just,
yeah,
they're just in terms of,
that's what the energy feels like.
It's moving out.
It's bringing in more awareness around what you're,
you've been tolerating maybe that you don't want to tolerate anymore.
And that could even be in your inner critic here.
(45:37):
Like I don't want to talk like this to myself anymore.
I don't want to and then it could also be reflected in your external life.
So,
but the benefit here is that it does feel like when it tosses,
let's just say the tossing maybe wouldn't feel good.
But then the turning is like,
oh wait,
(45:57):
no,
but I'm more connected to my heart now.
You know,
So you would say like the tossing is like the recognizing when something isn't working.
But then the turning is getting rid of that.
They're like letting go of that thing,
letting go and also having a connect stronger connection to your heart.
Like,
um,
as opposed to what's happening externally.
(46:20):
So both like,
okay,
I feel so resonant.
I know what I'm resonant with.
I resonate with myself and I'm clear about these maybe values that I have or what I'm willing to tolerate and that feels good.
And so I'm going to release this thing that I don't,
Does that make sense?
But then the turny the tossing part that may come back where it's like,
(46:44):
oh wait that's like pulling focus.
Maybe,
you know,
like it's pulling focus because it's like it's feels turbulent.
So then it's like I don't like this,
I don't like this.
But then it's like,
wait a minute you come back to your heart like okay,
but I,
you know more of grounding into your heart about what you want and what you again,
(47:06):
what you tolerate,
what feels good to you and that part will feel good.
You know when you're more centered in that,
does that make sense?
You were looking off to the side.
So I don't know if that was confusing.
Well that I look after the side sometimes when I'm thinking and I was just talking about what you were saying,
you're thinking man now everyone's gonna know what I'm thinking.
(47:30):
Thanks a lot.
Sorry.
Um so that's what's happening and now as far as my recommendation for what to do.
Obviously,
you know if your toss attorney it can feel unsafe sometimes or like ungrounded or unsent erred.
So what I am really one tool that I've been using a lot lately is this somatic experiencing tool for when I'm feeling when I'm feeling that way.
(48:01):
I guess more turbulent is to remind myself of my safety in the present moment.
Um,
so literally what I've been doing is looking around the room and noticing like,
oh,
I'm like really taking in because you can get in your head when you're in those moments of worrying and you really are.
(48:25):
It's like you take a little like you really aren't present.
You really aren't in the moment.
It feels like you're in that other reality when you're in that and that reality might feel scary if you have an inner critic that's scaring you or you're unsure because the brain really likes to be sure.
So to remind your,
it's a good thing for your brain to,
to be like,
Oh,
hey Brain look,
(48:46):
we're actually right here right now.
Like I will even look at what's soothing me.
Like I painted this office this soothing blue.
Um,
and so I just take it like,
oh,
I'm in my office.
Oh,
my cat is here.
Oh,
there's another cat there.
Oh,
there's a calendar I really like,
like I'm really in this moment right now.
(49:07):
This is where I am.
And like I love my life.
I love this room.
I love where I am in my life and when I go to often to that other place,
it's like I may as well not even be occupying this life that I really like And even if you're in a place in your life that you're not so happy with still it's a really good practice to be taking in what does soothe you because it really it just helps to soothe your nervous system and the more your nervous system,
(49:37):
your energy system is calm,
the better you're going to be able to handle whatever is going on around you which sounds really obvious but sometimes we can get to that place of soothing through not even gratitude but just know but although it can turn into that but just noticing what is actually calm in our environment,
(49:59):
it helps us grounded to our bodies that way.
Well you also,
it sounded like you were starting to say like when it feels threatening um like to ground yourself in the moment and see like like even if you don't feel those other things like you're saying like I love my life,
I love this room or whatever,
like recognizing that there's no threat here that you're safe.
(50:20):
Yeah.
Yeah.
Actually it's funny because I was doing that a lot this week and then I listened to um the holistic navigation,
life path,
Lewis Mojica.
He had this episode where he just literally was talking about that um it was last week's episode if you want to listen to that about looking around the room where for anywhere you don't feel threatened like anywhere.
(50:46):
Just like even try to really notice.
Let's just say the wall again.
Um Can I even send,
can I send any threat in the color of my wall?
And it's no,
I can't.
So letting that really sink in.
Oh,
wow.
There.
Most of my life is not threatening whatsoever.
(51:08):
In fact,
all of it,
it's really the most certainly thing is when my inner critic gets really loud.
So,
and I think that's most of the time.
That is true for everyone.
So that's what it is.
That's where we are.
And I guess that's really it.
Thank you everybody so much for listening.
(51:28):
Oh,
I will say,
if you want to find me,
you can find me at highest light healing dot com.
Um I am going to like uh I would say maybe a month I'll be opening more slots for my awakening clients.
Which is where I work in a three month container with people.
But I do have some openings for one off.
(51:50):
So you can go on high slight healing dot com.
You can find me on instinct,
Grammys and Tiktok ease at high slight healing and that's about it.
Thanks everyone.
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